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[02:21] <mdke> hey Riddell 
[02:21] <Riddell> hi mdke 
[02:21] <Riddell> mdke: I've put the kde web stylesheet in docs.ubuntu SVN
[02:21] <mdke> are those different stylesheets to the ones we were using before?
[02:22] <mdke> saw em
[02:22] <Riddell> it's the same as is currently used in the offline version
[02:22] <mdke> ok, are those different to the ones i was using to build the -web targets?
[02:22] <Riddell> you'll need to put /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ at help.ubuntu.com/stable
[02:22] <Riddell> mdke: yes
[02:23] <mdke> stable?
[02:23] <Riddell> meaning stable KDE branch, that's what docs.kde.org happens to use
[02:23] <mdke> i have to make a directory stable/ ?
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[02:24] <mdke> Riddell, anyhow, i'll check it out in the morning
[02:24] <mdke> thanks
[02:24] <Riddell> mdke: how do I validate a docbook file?
[02:25] <mdke> Riddell, there is a script for it in the base dir of trunk
[02:25] <mdke> ./validate.sh path/to/file.xml
[02:27] <Riddell> thanks
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[02:48] <Liz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[02:48] <Liz> is that wiki actually finished?
[02:48] <Liz> if you scroll down to where it says totem 
[02:48] <Liz> it kinda ends too soon...
[02:49] <Riddell> Liz: I think mdke has gone to sleep
[02:50] <Riddell> and he hasn't included kaffeine!
[02:50] <Riddell> so no, it's not finished :)
[02:52] <Liz> ok..its just i was looking for the plugins for totem to play real audio files
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[03:04] <Riddell> Liz: in w32codecs
[03:05] <Liz> ty Riddell 
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[04:43] <jsgotangco> sup =)
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[04:47] <mhz> jsgotangco: Madpilot I know you are subscibed to DYI. What's your opinion on the fact that many material designed to promote Ubuntu is not being designed with free formats, but we do spread freedom of IT?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> materials not in free formats?
[04:48] <jsgotangco> like what?
[04:48] <mhz>  The latest promotional leaflet in pdf or source. (Oct 05)
[04:49] <mhz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[04:49] <jsgotangco> well there's really a good reason for that
[04:49] <mhz> ?
[04:49] <jsgotangco> if its in source, you'd want full bleed/full resolution materials
[04:49] <jsgotangco> and most printers only accept something like illustrator format
[04:49] <mhz> hmmmmm
[04:49] <mhz> yes
[04:50] <jsgotangco> its a necessary evil
[04:50] <jsgotangco> now if printers accepted  inkscape or scribus files that would be a breakthrough...
[04:50] <mhz> but doesn't that also spread a contradictory message?
[04:51] <mhz> AFAIK, all printers do accept PDF
[04:51] <jsgotangco> not really, unless youre Richarch Stallman
[04:51] <mhz> hehehe
[04:52] <mhz> but, in Ubuntu, how do you open an Illustrator file?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> no idea really
[04:52] <mhz> see my point?
[04:52] <mhz> I have looked up
[04:52] <mhz> so far, none
[04:52] <jsgotangco> if the templates are in illustrator for example, it means its already ready for print right?
[04:52] <mhz> yes
[04:52] <mhz> but the point is
[04:53] <mhz> we promote freedom of access
[04:53] <jsgotangco> but if you did something from scratch, let's say in inkscape, your best shot is to send it to the printers in hires pdf
[04:53] <mhz> freedom of access is opossed to promoting propietary formats
[04:53] <jsgotangco> like i said its a necessary evil, your printers dont even give a damn on the freedom thing if it borks their business in my opinion
[04:53] <mhz> hehehehehe
[04:54] <mhz> hm, I think this is something we need to analyze in deeper cases
[04:55] <jsgotangco> it needs to be two way though, not just us pushing...
[04:55] <mhz> I think designers should be aware that they are contributing to a community that sprads the word of freedom
[04:56] <mhz> if we dont' push, then who will?
[04:56] <mhz> if not now, then when?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> i'm not going to be suckered into a debate in the middle of work
[04:57] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:57] <mhz> if freedom of access were not an issue here or were not one of the very basic concepts in the manifesto, then, I'd understand
[04:58] <mhz> jsgotangco: sorry, I get carriied away
[04:58] <mhz> esp. when something feels not consequent with manifesto
[04:58] <jsgotangco> well you can post that concern in -sounder i'm sure it'll be a lively chat
[05:01] <mhz> sounder?
[05:03] <mhz> oh, #ubuntu-sounder
[05:03] <mhz> what's that channel for?
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[05:06] <jsgotangco> no i mean -sounder mailing lists
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[05:58] <bhuvan> rob1: ping
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[08:21] <rob1> bhuvan, pong
[08:26] <bhuvan> rob1, yeah
[08:26] <bhuvan> rob1, i've couple of things to discuss regarding server guide. shall we discuss now ?
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[08:39] <rob1> bhuvan, sure
[08:39] <bhuvan> ok
[08:40] <bhuvan> can we split server guide into multiple files using xinclude ? just like we did for desktop guide
[08:40] <rob1> yes
[08:40] <bhuvan> ok
[08:40] <bhuvan> next, regarding the editor we use in our server guide ..
[08:41] <bhuvan> as we are not going to install gui, we cant suggest gedit
[08:41] <rob1> yep
[08:41] <rob1> true
[08:41] <bhuvan> so shall we suggest emacs, vi or vim ?
[08:41] <bhuvan> i prefer vim
[08:41] <rob1> vim/emacs/nano?
[08:41] <rob1> i prefer vim
[08:41] <bhuvan> cool
[08:42] <bhuvan> next regarding the package manager .. 
[08:42] <bhuvan> seems apt-get is the best bet
[08:42] <rob1> or aptitude
[08:44] <bhuvan> which one you prefer ?
[08:44] <bhuvan> i prefer apt-get
[08:44] <rob1> I use apt-get myself
[08:44] <bhuvan> so ? :)
[08:45] <rob1> its up to you
[08:45] <bhuvan> fine
[08:45] <bhuvan> thats it, thankx
[08:45] <rob1> ok np
[08:46] <bhuvan> * south africans are too good for indian cricket team. www.cricinfo.com
[08:47] <rob1> have heh
[08:47] <rob1> hmm 
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[11:11] <rob1> bah yelp doesn't like olinks
[11:11] <rob1> piece of crap..
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[03:56] <mhz> i all
[03:56] <mhz> hi
[03:56] <mhz> have you seen : http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RedirectingExternalLinks
[03:56] <mhz> ?
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[04:28] <jsgotangco> hello
[04:38] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: ping?
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[04:39] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: pong
[04:39] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: pm
[04:39] <mgalvin> sure
[04:46] <jjesse> jsgotangco: when you have a second can i ask you a question?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> sure
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (sorry if i wasn't active lately)
[04:46] <jjesse> no worries from me figured you were busy :)
[04:46] <jjesse> what would break if for kubuntu docs we dropped the k in front of the docs (question riddell asked)
[04:47] <jjesse> i would assume it would just be the makefile that needed to be changed?
[04:47] <jjesse> so kquickguide would be quickguide?
[04:47] <jsgotangco> yes that's correct
[04:47] <jsgotangco> our kubuntu docs don't point to anything else at the moment
[04:48] <jsgotangco> all of them are self sustaining with the exception of the entities
[04:48] <jjesse> ok, he sent me an email asking about them, i'll forward it on to the doc list, but i figured that it would only break the make file
[04:49] <Riddell> I'd also like to change the makefile target names, they're currently very cryptic
[04:49] <jjesse> grin didn't know you were lurking here
[04:52] <jsgotangco> so the makefiles will have the khelpcenter templates as well?
[04:54] <jjesse> hmm let me forward the email that started this if that is alright Riddell 
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[05:05] <jjesse> hmm sent that email to the list but never received it back from the list did anyone else get it/
[05:12] <jsgotangco> there is none
[05:12] <jsgotangco> i haven't received a report form the list either
[05:21] <jjesse> trying again: (
[05:21] <jjesse> sent again
[05:22] <jjesse> anything?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> none
[05:25] <jjesse> the last i receivced from the kubuntu users mailing list was 9:30 am eastern
[05:31] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you seen : http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RedirectingExternalLinks
[05:34] <jsgotangco> checking
[05:37] <jsgotangco> mhz: interesting...moin syntax that looks like iptables heh
[05:37] <mhz> heheheh
[05:37] <mhz> indeed
[05:38] <mhz> we could use it to work around some wiki issues
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yes it can be pretty useful
[05:47] <jsgotangco> ok good night
[05:47] <mhz> nite, jerome
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[07:04] <jjesse> anyone know if *ubuntu mailing lists (kubuntu users, ubunt-doc, kubuntu-devel) are having issues?
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[07:58] <poningru> jjesse: wfm
[07:58] <poningru> well ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-doc anyway
[08:01] <jjesse> poningru: was just wondering haven't gotten anything from kubuntu or kubuntu-dev all day
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