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| whitesoft | Hello | 05:21 |
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| whitesoft | Still here? | 05:21 |
| whitesoft | is any body here? | 05:21 |
| whitesoft | whitesoft is RolandoBlanco | 05:22 |
| whitesoft | Waitting for the council | 05:22 |
| MarioMeyer | what council? | 05:22 |
| whitesoft | Hello Mario | 05:22 |
| whitesoft | CommunityCouncilAgenda | 05:23 |
| whitesoft | CommunityCouncil | 05:23 |
| MarioMeyer | well i can't help you | 05:25 |
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| bmonty_laptop | two more packages and all of the packages that start with b are merged (minus bzr, I'm not touching that) | 05:49 |
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| Kamion | whitesoft: wrong week, dude :) | 12:43 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 4 minutes | 12:56 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 1 minutes | 12:59 |
| === JaneW is turning into a bot... | ||
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| ogra | and for the 10 sec countdown :) | 01:00 |
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| JaneW | heh | 01:01 |
| JaneW | hi all | 01:01 |
| Katsumoto | :) | 01:01 |
| JaneW | we havent had a meeting since before UBZ | 01:02 |
| JaneW | so several weeks now | 01:02 |
| JaneW | there seem to be quite a few new faces in #edubuntu which is nice to see | 01:02 |
| JaneW | I hope that means ppl are installing and using edubuntu | 01:02 |
| JaneW | We didn;t publish an agenda for this week's meeting | 01:03 |
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| ogra | short report from the technical side ? | 01:04 |
| JaneW | but there are some notes up from the last edubuntu meeting we had, which was held at UBZ http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords | 01:04 |
| pips1 | ogra: yes please! .-) | 01:04 |
| JaneW | So yes, if ogra can let us know where we stand technically, that would be a great start | 01:04 |
| ogra | i have implemented the thin client sound stuff last week, its working perfectly fine out of the box, no user interaction needed ... | 01:05 |
| ogra | (even isf the spec needs to get updated) | 01:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: that's awesome :)) | 01:05 |
| ogra | i worked a bit on the multiarch stuff, but havent solved the powerpc error yet | 01:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: does the spec need to be updated? | 01:06 |
| ogra | yes, its not approved yet | 01:06 |
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| mhz_shower | hi | 01:06 |
| ogra | but the implementation is already done *g* | 01:06 |
| ogra | student-control-panel saw its first upload, its in the archive now to ply with :) | 01:07 |
| ogra | i also created a bzr archive, so everyone who likes to work on it can just branch | 01:07 |
| JaneW | ogra: LOL, ok mention that in the spec... who is the approver? | 01:07 |
| ogra | mdz | 01:07 |
| mhz | .oO(excellent) | 01:07 |
| ogra | he mouthly approved all the ltsp stuff already ... | 01:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok, is it submitted for approval? | 01:08 |
| ogra | but i need to get the text right :) | 01:08 |
| ogra | yes, all ltsp specs are ... | 01:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok do the last tweaks and let me know I'll ask him to approve | 01:08 |
| ogra | i'll do it today | 01:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: can we do a similar page to this for dapper? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap | 01:08 |
| pips1 | ogra: how is the new launchpad spec process ? is it working well for the developers ? (experiences from UBZ ?) | 01:08 |
| ogra | pips1, yup :) | 01:09 |
| JaneW | ogra: we may need to complete this too, and link to all relevant specs, unless you just want to use launchpad blocks and dependecies for this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuRoadmap | 01:09 |
| ogra | i have my probs since i'm not good in writing the stuff down before i played with it... but thats not related to the spec process, rather a personal thing | 01:09 |
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| JaneW | mhz: don't foret mhz_getting_dressed please! ;0 | 01:10 |
| ogra | JaneW, we should probably just link to the dapper release schedule... having our own roadmap confused people last time | 01:10 |
| mhz | JaneW: i won't get dressed. Maybe I get some edubuntu CD's!! | 01:10 |
| pips1 | is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ? | 01:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes our timeing must be the same, but don;t we want to list our items separately? | 01:11 |
| ogra | i didnt plan much changes on the desktop anyway, my main focus for this release will be ltsp and the artwork (branding) package | 01:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok, as long as we can easilly track progress and make sure we are on track that's fine | 01:11 |
| === mhz would like to help with artwork but he has some doubts | ||
| JaneW | mhz: what kind of doubts? | 01:12 |
| mhz | JaneW: hmm, maybe not relevant 100% for this meeting | 01:12 |
| ogra | mhz, the idea is to have 2 or 3 choices and to be able to dpkg-reconfigure the package for lower, mid and highschool grades | 01:12 |
| mhz | yup | 01:12 |
| mhz | I am aware | 01:12 |
| pips1 | is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the ubuntu wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ? | 01:13 |
| mhz | it's just that the 'actual hands-on drawing' i am bad at. So I usually design the ideas and pass it on Pablo Noel, but he's not so motivated now :( | 01:13 |
| ogra | JaneW, since all dapper deadlines apply for us as well, i'd think the dapper schedule is working for us | 01:14 |
| JaneW | pips1: we decided the table didn;t work well, so it's in launchpad now... | 01:14 |
| ogra | pips1, its all launchpad | 01:14 |
| pips1 | ah, ok, thanks | 01:14 |
| ogra | mhz, motivate him :) | 01:15 |
| JaneW | pips1: the table view is here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable | 01:15 |
| mhz | JaneW: and the Tecnocimiento gang is more for the work for Edubuntu Chilean Tour. We have very limited resources and so we must use them extremely well | 01:15 |
| JaneW | mhz: the issue we have is that until we can show that we have a large, lively and particpatory community we will not get more official support | 01:16 |
| pips1 | JaneW: cool, I hadn't discovered that view before ! | 01:16 |
| mhz | JaneW: i know, hence my dilema | 01:16 |
| ogra | mhz, not only yours | 01:16 |
| JaneW | mhz: oliver's talk at UBZ impressed management and they were surprised at the growth and interest we achieved so far, but will be watching to see what we do in this cycle | 01:16 |
| ogra | JaneW, oh, nobody told me ... | 01:17 |
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| JaneW | mhz: I can fairly much guarantee that we'll get our CDs if we produce a good edubuntu dapper - which we are already on track for | 01:17 |
| ogra | oh, yes, i forgot .... we have usplash on the thin cients working ;) it will even look good ... | 01:18 |
| JaneW | so basically we are being treated the same as kubuntu | 01:18 |
| ogra | not really | 01:18 |
| mhz | ogra: I know, I am not crying. Please do not think so (that's why I said "maybe not 100% relevant for the meeting) :) | 01:18 |
| ogra | kubuntu is far ahead of us | 01:18 |
| === pips1 makes a mental note that the website/wiki should contain a section about "Edubuntu in action" | ||
| JaneW | yes it started way before us | 01:18 |
| JaneW | pips1: please add it :) | 01:18 |
| ogra | yup and we'll never have their momentum | 01:18 |
| ogra | they just have a way bigger userbase | 01:19 |
| JaneW | ogra: but the point is they were a fringe project, but mnow that there is continuted and growing demand and interest and participation they are being taken seriously | 01:19 |
| ogra | the main target for us is still to get the k12 users aboard | 01:20 |
| JaneW | our situation is a bit different, but we have to prove the demand and interest and garner participation before we can show that we have something worth investing in | 01:20 |
| ogra | but jammcq and sbalneav are doing great advertizing work in #ltsp | 01:20 |
| mhz | JaneW: IMHO, Edubuntu is much more aimed to social contribution than technical IT stuff. Therefore, I fear Canonical doesn't see us "progressing" that much as Kubuntu | 01:20 |
| mhz | social contrib = improving and providing tools for education | 01:21 |
| JaneW | mhz: indeed | 01:21 |
| pips1 | ogra: kubuntu is for individuals who can just go ahead and use it on their workstation, laptop on a personal basis, Edubuntu needs more commitment from a school... | 01:21 |
| ogra | mhz, canonical sees that, but they also see its a niche product we build | 01:21 |
| ogra | pips1, exactly ... and canonical is well aware of that... | 01:22 |
| mhz | ogra: good point | 01:22 |
| ogra | but we still have not enough users/testers | 01:22 |
| JaneW | mhz: also ogra and I bleated about CDs and the big demand, but in the end only you added to the CD request proposal page on the wiki... so it didn;t look good | 01:22 |
| mhz | ogra: maybe you have just given an argument to convince Pablo :) | 01:22 |
| mhz | JaneW: LOL | 01:22 |
| ogra | everybody was crying for teachertool... the source is available for hacking on it, but i havent seen one checkout from the bzr archive yet | 01:22 |
| JaneW | mhz: if we can keep showing the excellent work of Pablo and results of surveys (as you mentioned before) etc, that will all strengthen our argument | 01:23 |
| kjcole | ogra | 01:23 |
| JaneW | so don't be dispondent, it's early days for us still. | 01:23 |
| kjcole | ogra, were the people screaming about teachertool savvy about using bzr? | 01:24 |
| pips1 | I think a great many schools (in Europe at least) have a Windows network set up already, and then you need to really convince people why they should switch, it's a different story if a school doesn't have a computer lab set up at all... | 01:24 |
| kjcole | ogra, (I'm just getting my feet wet with bzr myself.) | 01:24 |
| JaneW | ogra: I think that highlights another of our issues, we are attracting ppl that want and need our solution, but can't necesarily help to develop it (actuall hacking I mean) | 01:24 |
| ogra | kjcole, no idea, but there is also a source package in dapper ;) | 01:24 |
| ogra | JaneW, exactly... and we need more developers ... | 01:24 |
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| JaneW | ogra: so we need to try to attract developers | 01:25 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: hello | 01:25 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: wanna be an edubuntu developer? | 01:25 |
| mhz | ogra: so far, as I said once, Chilean people are very 'special' (sometimes I wanna kick their butts). Schools and universities are not well interested on IT solutions because MANY local biz have screwd the edu sector. So, until I can get some minimum image/merchandising (not asking canonical for, only from local supporters) it is difficult they trust on something made by community | 01:25 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: or do you know anyone that does? | 01:25 |
| ogra | student-control-panel only has basic functionallity now ... i was hoping with releasing the source that some people would jump on it ... | 01:25 |
| highvoltage | ogra: does sounds work from flash applications as well? | 01:25 |
| ogra | probably i'm just to impatient | 01:25 |
| ogra | highvoltage, it should ... we use libesd ... | 01:26 |
| JaneW | mhz: the conferecne packs are coming together, has Marilize responded to you yet? | 01:26 |
| mhz | JaneW: I agree, that's why my doubts are concerning resources. Asking Pablo means I'll have to spend money on him (not much, but some) Otherwise, I could use same money to rent a place and demo edubuntu to at least 50 teachers at once, with cookies and coffee :D | 01:27 |
| mhz | JaneW: nope | 01:27 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i want to be, but i'm having trouble with even the motu stuff. | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | the motu guys are great though. | 01:28 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: and we aren't? *pout* | 01:28 |
| JaneW | ok how are we going to solve this problem? | 01:28 |
| mhz | ogra: you are not impatient, you're wise | 01:28 |
| ogra | highvoltage, improve your python skills, hack on student-control-panel ;) | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: you're fantastic! | 01:29 |
| highvoltage | ogra: that i'll gladly do. | 01:29 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: but yes, it's a definate yes. | 01:29 |
| JaneW | the ppl we have are over commited already and need to work in paid jobs to support themselves | 01:29 |
| mhz | unfortunately! | 01:29 |
| pips1 | highvoltage: what's difficult part of becoming a motu, from your point of view? | 01:29 |
| mhz | :D | 01:29 |
| kjcole | JaneW: Here, here. (I wasn't even at the meeting where I got committed to the Cookbook.) ;-) | 01:29 |
| JaneW | how can we find willing ppl who have skills and time and want to help? | 01:29 |
| === ogra isnt overcommitted this time ... but edubuntu will suffer if nobody steps up to fill the gaps | ||
| kjcole | (Ooops. s/Here, here/Hear, hear/) | 01:30 |
| JaneW | kjcole: hehe, *grin* | 01:30 |
| mhz | JaneW: Edubuntu Tours (evangelizing) | 01:30 |
| JaneW | kjcole: you still liking it? | 01:30 |
| === sivang wouldn't mind to help whereever he can, however he has dayjob commitments as well | ||
| ogra | JaneW, the german ubuntu LoCo goes to 15 conferences this year, i'll be on some of them holding talks about edubuntu ... | 01:31 |
| mhz | JaneW: assigning point | 01:31 |
| mhz | JaneW: assigning points | 01:31 |
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| mhz | points = prizes | 01:31 |
| kjcole | Still liking the cookbook... However, am unfamiliar with docbook and bzr. But learning. | 01:31 |
| ogra | so evangelizing should help a bit ... | 01:31 |
| sivang | (talking about non evengelizing work ;-)) | 01:31 |
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| JaneW | kjcole: if you finish the cook book I may be compelled to bake a cake...http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389874/ | 01:32 |
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| === mhz LOVES cakes! | ||
| === ogra doesnt like virtual cake ... | ||
| JaneW | think we could get the skills and interest we need if we target students? | 01:33 |
| mhz | lol | 01:33 |
| ogra | its hard to bite :) | 01:33 |
| === Simira neither... | ||
| highvolt1ge | sorry, having some connectivity troubles this side. | 01:33 |
| === pips1 makes a mental note that there should be a "how to evangelize edubuntu" page in the wiki... | ||
| ogra | pips1, ++ | 01:33 |
| mhz | ogra: at least we can say it looks good (maybe taste does not) :D | 01:33 |
| JaneW | ogra: sorry... I didn't DARE ask the UBZ waiters if I could use the kitchen, they were mean! | 01:33 |
| ogra | lol | 01:34 |
| mhz | JaneW: YES!, hence the Edubuntu Tours | 01:34 |
| JaneW | pips1: I hope these mental notes are your To Do list - hint hint | 01:34 |
| mhz | students can easily get comitted esp. when they see their work is being officially released | 01:34 |
| JaneW | to me it's a chicken and egg thing | 01:34 |
| pips1 | JaneW: they are | 01:34 |
| mhz | I am building a database of over 1500 schools | 01:34 |
| mhz | chilean schools of course | 01:35 |
| JaneW | do we want to evangelise before we have dev help, or will we get dev help by evangelising? | 01:35 |
| JaneW | pips1: awesome thanks :))) | 01:35 |
| ogra | JaneW, the latter | 01:35 |
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| mhz | JaneW: good point. the latter | 01:35 |
| ogra | hey spacey | 01:35 |
| spacey | hey :) | 01:35 |
| kjcole | Personal perspective: I work at Gallaudet University, which is a university for deaf and hard of hearing. | 01:35 |
| JaneW | pips1: your wiki organise page was very helpful and informative btw | 01:36 |
| kjcole | On the same campus as the university, we have a primary and a secondary school for deaf/HoH. | 01:36 |
| mhz | kjcole: wow! sounds interesitng yet more difficult | 01:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok well then we must just get the word out where ever and whenever | 01:36 |
| mhz | exactly! | 01:37 |
| kjcole | Every time I try to sell them on something like Linux, they argue that they have "special" needs for "special" software, that they're convinced cannot be found anywhere else. | 01:37 |
| ogra | JaneW, thats my plan (at least for germany where i can travel relatively cheap on my own cost) | 01:37 |
| sivang | ogra, JaneW : When do you expect to need to application names changes and how much are you going to be blocked by upstream with that? | 01:37 |
| pips1 | JaneW: thanks, so far only highvoltage was able to comment in the wiki, though.. oh and henrik! | 01:37 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: ping | 01:37 |
| kjcole | However, when I try to pin them down on those "special" programs, I get zip. | 01:37 |
| ogra | sivang, i dont think wee need this ... | 01:37 |
| mhz | JaneW: that's reminds me that I have found some inconsitancies between Manifesto and actual design work | 01:37 |
| ogra | sivang, the initial idea was to have a menu task driven profile but that didnt include renaming apps ... | 01:38 |
| mhz | kjcole: i know there are some good work for those special needs | 01:38 |
| ogra | sivang, thats something edubuntu cant solve, its a ubuntu thing | 01:38 |
| JaneW | pips1: well since they put what's there together laregly they would have an interest in commenting ;) | 01:38 |
| sivang | ogra: ah, ok | 01:38 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: pong | 01:38 |
| sivang | noted | 01:38 |
| mhz | pips1: what page? | 01:38 |
| JaneW | sivang: I don;t know, but it would help to have something more descriptive... | 01:39 |
| pips1 | mhz: the wiki pages about the edubuntu website plan, I think you subscribed to them already :-) | 01:39 |
| pips1 | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan | 01:39 |
| mhz | JaneW: descriptive = categorized? | 01:39 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: sorry, my connection is terrible | 01:39 |
| mhz | oh, yes. I am subscribed | 01:40 |
| ogra | kjcole, there is a acessibility project going on, lets see how much technology we can adopt from them... should make it more attractive ... | 01:40 |
| highvoltage | seems to be fine again now. | 01:40 |
| sivang | ogra: so basically, they are looking at adding a another menu, that just has different grouping and descriptions for the launched applications? | 01:40 |
| mhz | pips1: believe me, it's listed on my ToEdit list :) | 01:40 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i didn't get anything after the current people having high loads until just about a minute ago. | 01:40 |
| ogra | sivang, task driven ... a special menu for math classes, another for biology etc ... | 01:40 |
| mhz | pips1: i even commented something on #moin last week | 01:40 |
| ogra | sivang, but thats out of scope for dapper ... | 01:40 |
| pips1 | mhz: right! You are definitely doing a good job evangelizing moin ;-) | 01:41 |
| ogra | for dapper we'll have sabayon and the opportunity to make your own profiles ... | 01:41 |
| JaneW | pips1: where's your other page now? The one with the colour tags? | 01:42 |
| mhz | sivang: ogra: but at least, having all apps. listed on a wiki page, and grouped by categories would help | 01:42 |
| ogra | mhz, sure | 01:42 |
| === mhz doesnt need it, thoug | ||
| mhz | it is just for teachers and talks puposes | 01:43 |
| mhz | pips1: hehehe, thx | 01:43 |
| pips1 | JaneW: that page is linked from the one I posted above | 01:43 |
| JaneW | mhz: no categorized to but descriptive as in not 'Kig' but rather ' short description of what app does' it seems we can;t change this easilly though | 01:43 |
| mhz | pips1: but still most people insist on SubPages/SubPages etc | 01:43 |
| mhz | :) | 01:43 |
| pips1 | JaneW: I think you are talking about http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteOfficialContent | 01:43 |
| sivang | ogra: ah , I see. could be interesting to work on that for dapper+1, indeed. | 01:44 |
| ogra | sivang, definately | 01:44 |
| mhz | JaneW: oooohh, right. I am not sure if we 'need' soemthing like that. On the other hand, it is good people get used to application names | 01:44 |
| ogra | sivang, but we'll need a detailed spec ... we have none yet since it wasnt in scope for dapper | 01:44 |
| mhz | however, i do see the purpose behind descriptions | 01:44 |
| ogra | JaneW, thats what the tooltip normally does | 01:45 |
| ogra | but KDE and GNOME have different views about what id descriptive and what not | 01:45 |
| ogra | so getting KIG to have a gnome compliant description can get hard for example | 01:46 |
| sivang | right | 01:46 |
| mhz | JaneW: our manifesto states 'freedom' as something of enormous importance. However, all artwork I have seen (except Cd slips) is made with and for Propietary applications :( | 01:46 |
| mhz | (and probably from NON-ubuntu boxes) | 01:46 |
| sivang | ogra: do you think something like what is needed could be achived without changing the current .desktop and the menu structure systems? | 01:47 |
| mhz | ogra: another reason to use lighter desktops maybe. :D Menus are piece of cake (AFAIK) | 01:47 |
| ogra | sivang, i think using predefined sabayon profiles for the different tasks is the way to go... i dont think we should fiddle with .desktop files if avoidable | 01:48 |
| ogra | mhz, but i loose the help of the distro team and the ability to predict that the desktop is 100% sane for release ... | 01:49 |
| ogra | both i can get only from gnome in ubuntu | 01:49 |
| spacey | yes @ predefined sabayon profiles | 01:49 |
| spacey | that is a good way | 01:49 |
| mhz | ogra: sivang: but tweaking those, will that favour teachers trying to have K12 Menus, Teens Menus, HighSchool Menus, etc? | 01:49 |
| mhz | ogra: good point | 01:50 |
| ogra | JaneW, still alive ? | 01:51 |
| spacey | mhz, you can just make different profiles with each different kind of menu | 01:52 |
| spacey | with their own aim | 01:53 |
| ogra | we can ship a handful of default profiles as templates for tweakage :) | 01:54 |
| mhz | spacey: good idea. Any wiki page how? | 01:54 |
| spacey | mhz, basicly anything you can do with smeg AFAIK | 01:54 |
| === mhz will google for smeg :) | ||
| spacey | mhz, its in your menu | 01:54 |
| spacey | as "applications menu editor" | 01:54 |
| ogra | mhz, right click the "applications" menu | 01:54 |
| spacey | under applications -> systemtools | 01:54 |
| mhz | spacey: ok, then I'll boot into GNOME (I use Wmaker) | 01:55 |
| spacey | ogra, even more easy :) | 01:55 |
| ogra | both is fine ;) | 01:55 |
| mhz | okidoki, thx | 01:55 |
| sivang | ogra: interesting, sbayon won't run without sudo :) | 01:56 |
| ogra | yup | 01:56 |
| ogra | its setting system defaults | 01:56 |
| sivang | ogra: oh goody, starting is Xnested session now | 01:56 |
| ogra | yes | 01:57 |
| sivang | ogra: after it has the sessions running, do I just change the menu layout and descriptions, what do I do afterwareds? | 01:57 |
| ogra | you can modify the template desktop to your needs ... thats how you create profiles with it | 01:57 |
| ogra | just save afterwards ... and assign users to the profile | 01:57 |
| sivang | cool, then all we do is create thoe temples, and then ship them in a package, and have some sort of GUI to assign users to? | 01:58 |
| ogra | sadly it doesnt work via ssh tunneling, so its not usable on thin clients yet | 01:58 |
| mhz | ohhhhhhhhh | 01:58 |
| sivang | bad :-/ | 01:58 |
| ogra | yup | 01:59 |
| ogra | Xnests fault | 01:59 |
| mhz | now you say it??? :D | 01:59 |
| mhz | lol | 01:59 |
| ogra | thats why we didnt ship it in breezy ... | 01:59 |
| sivang | ogra: but it could be a good solution for shipping the master package for each client | 01:59 |
| ogra | it was on my plan | 01:59 |
| ogra | s/plan/list | 01:59 |
| sivang | not that stable ., either. seems stuck now | 01:59 |
| pips1 | JaneW: I created a new page here : http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteCommunityContent | 02:00 |
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| kjcole | Well all, time for me to finish trying to wake up and pretend to go in to work. | 02:04 |
| mhz | kjcole: could you wiki a page with the special needs and priorities? | 02:04 |
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| kjcole | (I'd looked before at the Accessibility stuff. Didn't see anything deafness-related but will look again. Will put something up in Edubuntu's wiki if I don't find a similar page.) | 02:05 |
| pips1 | got to go.. cu | 02:06 |
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| ogra | kjcole, talk to dholbach, he's doing the accessibility stuff together with hno73 | 02:06 |
| mhz | kjcole: thx | 02:06 |
| ogra | he will know about the set off apps that are available | 02:06 |
| mhz | kjcole: and please add info about #of students, some stats | 02:07 |
| mhz | etc | 02:07 |
| mhz | it may be useful to prepare some MarketingPaln | 02:07 |
| mhz | and therefore evangelising | 02:08 |
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| flint | good morning... | 02:11 |
| mhz | morning | 02:11 |
| kjcole | What's good about it? ;-) | 02:12 |
| flint | I am no longer living in Washington DC. I am now in Montpelier, the capital of the state of Vermont! | 02:13 |
| flint | good to hear from you kevin! | 02:13 |
| flint | has ollie or jane made appearances? You have a reason to inquire about the goodness of the morning, our associates have been up for hours | 02:14 |
| mhz | flint: is that betta? | 02:14 |
| flint | I look out over mountains through which the mighty Winnoski (the local river) courses... to summarize, indeed, big time! | 02:15 |
| ogra | flint, seems Janes line just died | 02:15 |
| flint | One bad line deserves another, lemme see... | 02:16 |
| sivang | flint: Hi there, I didn't realize back at UBZ that you were canadia, are you? | 02:16 |
| ogra | sivang, vermont is US | 02:16 |
| flint | not quite in canada, I am about 25 miles from the canadian border. | 02:16 |
| sivang | ogra: oops, I'm missing few geography lessons :-) | 02:17 |
| flint | sivang, the idea here is that i can get to the canadian border (and across it) damn quickly :^) | 02:17 |
| sivang | yep | 02:17 |
| flint | Vermont even here in the capital has an active sucessionist party. | 02:18 |
| flint | the motto is "Save a deer shoot a flatlander" | 02:18 |
| flint | they feel that Vermont is just as big as texas, if you flatten the state out. | 02:18 |
| flint | ollie, are these bad lines? | 02:19 |
| flint | actually now while jane is offline might be a good time to continue to laugh about the little phillipino girl on the desktop | 02:19 |
| ogra | flint, i meant her connection :) | 02:20 |
| flint | I really do not give a rats ass myself about the damn graphic, but the edubuntu list had real folks trying to implement | 02:20 |
| flint | I know, and I feel dirty :^) is she back to yell at me? | 02:21 |
| kjcole | And on that note, time for me to toddle off to work. Have fun gentlemen... You too, Flint. ;-) | 02:21 |
| flint | anyway, the idea that I counted like 4 folks actually trying to implement this product in classrooms reminded me of the responsibility we have | 02:21 |
| flint | kevin, thanks for stopping in! enjoy DC. | 02:22 |
| ogra | bye kjcole | 02:22 |
| mhz | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyPackages | 02:22 |
| mhz | I will add much more info pretty soon there | 02:22 |
| ogra | flint, marks idea was to have a professional company designing the next wllpapers/splashscreens for us ... | 02:23 |
| mhz | ogra: thx for the effort of teaching how to package them :D | 02:23 |
| ogra | mhz, id didnt make any effort yet ;) | 02:23 |
| ogra | s/id/i | 02:23 |
| mhz | ogra: could we be hired to design them? | 02:24 |
| flint | This takes all the pain out of the process.. | 02:24 |
| ogra | mhz, he wants a company for all three distros as i understood, but i'll ask | 02:24 |
| mhz | Pablo and Andrea (both designers) will be VERY motivated | 02:24 |
| mhz | plus I can kick their butts whenever I need to :D | 02:25 |
| ogra | flint, additionally i sent a mail to the ML that shows how i want to implement it ... you'll be easily able to reconfigure the artwork to another grade | 02:25 |
| ogra | ... if needed | 02:25 |
| fabbione | hey flint ! | 02:25 |
| mhz | ogra: I can even ask and sum up Pablo and Andrea resume / portafolio | 02:25 |
| flint | inded Don Fabio bon journo! | 02:26 |
| ogra | mhz, let me talk to mark first... and even to JaneW | 02:26 |
| mhz | okidoki | 02:26 |
| fabbione | ehe | 02:26 |
| flint | the whole graphic thing is only amusing. it is not the code. | 02:27 |
| ogra | yes, but if people have a point there, we'll have to react | 02:27 |
| === sivang personally think the Edubuntu artwork is really cool. | ||
| sivang | (the current one, that is) | 02:27 |
| ogra | and i think the approach to ship three different choices of artwork is the right way to go ... | 02:28 |
| flint | moving on, I think that Mauricio has done a good thing with this wkiki | 02:28 |
| ogra | (probably even a fourth one for community contributed artwork) | 02:28 |
| mhz | I rarely see the point of discussing about GUI's but I understand this time we're in need of more people to help us | 02:28 |
| flint | sivang, if we were art geeks this would matter, but we are ubuntu geeks... | 02:28 |
| mhz | flint: who Mauricio? | 02:29 |
| ogra | mhz, there are not many mauricios in this channel i guess | 02:29 |
| ogra | :) | 02:29 |
| flint | mhz, I thought that your name was at the bottom o the old wiki | 02:29 |
| mhz | ogra: I thought it was a typo | 02:30 |
| flint | sorry :^) | 02:30 |
| flint | got to learn to tyep, only course I ever flunked... | 02:30 |
| flint | mhz, ever hear of scorm? | 02:30 |
| mhz | ogra: and this is the 1st time I see 'Mauricio' written in IRC | 02:30 |
| flint | this is a tough room... | 02:31 |
| mhz | scorm, not the nick right? the edu stuff? | 02:31 |
| flint | mhz, you are on the mark | 02:31 |
| flint | the educational stuff is a way of packaging course material. Is it applicable to this project? | 02:31 |
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| flint | oh the Mark, I get it! most amusing :^) | 02:32 |
| mhz | flinthehehehe | 02:33 |
| mhz | flint: I have never tried it | 02:33 |
| flint | often I type for my own entertainment | 02:34 |
| mhz | but it must be tried out | 02:34 |
| mhz | flint: I have noticed | 02:34 |
| flint | mhz, a harsh but justified comment :^) I want to look into this and if the add allows put the results on your wiki | 02:34 |
| mhz | yup | 02:35 |
| mhz | flint: I appreciate as much help as possible | 02:35 |
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| mhz | esp. because this packaging is one the strong point for Edubuntu Chielan Tour to get some funds :) | 02:35 |
| mhz | Chilean | 02:36 |
| flint | mhz, the real nub to work i believe is how to get a scorm coerced into a deb. | 02:36 |
| mhz | hehehe | 02:37 |
| mhz | indeed | 02:37 |
| mhz | hence I propose to aim at the tools edubuntu comes with | 02:37 |
| mhz | i.e.: Keduca | 02:37 |
| mhz | we can create files for it | 02:37 |
| mhz | KIG, too | 02:37 |
| mhz | etc. | 02:38 |
| mhz | we have to identify which applications (default ones, first) can use files we create | 02:38 |
| mhz | and then test those files as packages | 02:38 |
| mhz | then we could worry about non default apps | 02:39 |
| mhz | such scorm | 02:39 |
| mhz | flint: what do you think? | 02:39 |
| flint | mhz, I completely agree | 02:39 |
| mhz | educool! | 02:39 |
| mhz | :D | 02:39 |
| mhz | also, flint | 02:39 |
| mhz | maybe you could help us with desingning a survey | 02:39 |
| mhz | we think we need to identify profiles | 02:40 |
| flint | mhz, scorm is not an application, it is a standard for packaging course material... | 02:40 |
| flint | mhz, check into it. | 02:40 |
| mhz | of people who is reticent to ICT, people who will actually evangelise for us, etc | 02:40 |
| mhz | flint: I know. sorry for my spanish thinking when I write english. scorm is standrad | 02:41 |
| mhz | yes | 02:41 |
| mhz | we can worry about apps. that follow the standard. is that the way in english? | 02:41 |
| flint | mhz, I will delve into keduca when I get my lab re setup here in Vermong. Instead of a survey, how about an SLA? | 02:42 |
| mhz | SLA? | 02:42 |
| mhz | flint: ogra: should we move onto #edubuntu? | 02:42 |
| flint | mhz, the deal with standards is that there are so many to choose from in this absurd world. | 02:42 |
| mhz | and leave the channel available | 02:42 |
| mhz | flint: LOL, indeed | 02:43 |
| ogra_ | note that i'd like to replace the kde stuff over time ... | 02:43 |
| mhz | we make it complex | 02:43 |
| flint | i thought that the meeting was supposed to be here today | 02:43 |
| ogra_ | (if gnome apps with similar functionallity show up) | 02:43 |
| mhz | flint: afaik, the meeting started 2 hours ago (almost) | 02:43 |
| flint | ollie is this so? I thought the meeting started at 08:00 EST 12:00 UTC | 02:44 |
| ogra_ | 12:00 UTC | 02:44 |
| ogra_ | ogra@honk:~/dapper-xss/xscreensaver-4.23 $ date -u | 02:44 |
| ogra_ | Mi Nov 16 13:44:56 UTC 2005 | 02:44 |
| flint | which is please god tell me 08:00 EST | 02:45 |
| ogra_ | its 1h 45min ago | 02:45 |
| flint | never was too good with schedules. Then this meeting starts at 07:00 EDT? | 02:45 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ date -u -d '12:00 UTC' | 02:45 |
| Kamion | Wed Nov 16 12:00:00 UTC 2005 | 02:45 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ TZ=EST date -d '12:00 UTC' | 02:45 |
| Kamion | Wed Nov 16 07:00:00 EST 2005 | 02:45 |
| ogra_ | hah | 02:46 |
| ogra_ | DST victim :) | 02:46 |
| flint | god help me! even earlier!!! I will fix my clock for next week. sorry | 02:46 |
| flint | mhz, SLA is Service Level Agreement. It is a formal statement of what Edubuntu offers to the Educational Institution. | 02:47 |
| mhz | oohhh | 02:47 |
| mhz | ineresting | 02:47 |
| mhz | very much | 02:47 |
| mhz | also, i think there's a standard for User Level with ICT | 02:48 |
| flint | The idea here is to make it possible for edubuntu to be acceped into the educational environment, and believe me these folks love well written paperwork. | 02:48 |
| mhz | puagggkkk! | 02:48 |
| flint | mhz, exactly | 02:48 |
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| mhz | flint: 'show me the code' unfortunately is not applied to institutions :( | 02:49 |
| flint | anyway I will see you all next week at god help me 07:00 EDT | 02:49 |
| mhz | flint: so, shall we move on to #edubuntu? | 02:49 |
| flint | mhz, I will but I need coffee now. be there in about 30 minutes. | 02:49 |
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| ogra_ | ok, so lets call this meeting closed then... smms JaneW's line didnt come up again | 02:50 |
| ogra_ | *seems | 02:50 |
| mhz | yup | 02:50 |
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| highvoltage | meeting over? | 02:58 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:59 |
| highvoltage | Riddell: i got the "jonathan" launchpad account :P | 03:00 |
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| mhz | JaneW: we closed | 03:24 |
| mhz | :D | 03:24 |
| JaneW | :( | 03:26 |
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