[05:21] <whitesoft> Hello
[05:21] <whitesoft> Still here?
[05:21] <whitesoft> is any body here?
[05:22] <whitesoft> whitesoft is RolandoBlanco
[05:22] <whitesoft> Waitting for the council
[05:22] <MarioMeyer> what council?
[05:22] <whitesoft> Hello Mario
[05:23] <whitesoft> CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:23] <whitesoft> CommunityCouncil
[05:25] <MarioMeyer> well i can't help you
[05:49] <bmonty_laptop> two more packages and all of the packages that start with b are merged (minus bzr, I'm not touching that)
[12:43] <Kamion> whitesoft: wrong week, dude :)
[12:56] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 4 minutes
[12:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 1 minutes
[01:00] <ogra> and for the 10 sec countdown :)
[01:01] <JaneW> heh
[01:01] <JaneW> hi all
[01:01] <Katsumoto> :)
[01:02] <JaneW> we havent had a meeting since before UBZ
[01:02] <JaneW> so several weeks now
[01:02] <JaneW> there seem to be quite a few new faces in #edubuntu which is nice to see
[01:02] <JaneW> I hope that means ppl are installing and using edubuntu
[01:03] <JaneW> We didn;t publish an agenda for this week's meeting
[01:04] <ogra> short report from the technical side ?
[01:04] <JaneW> but there are some notes up from the last edubuntu meeting we had, which was held at UBZ http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[01:04] <pips1> ogra: yes please! .-)
[01:04] <JaneW> So yes, if ogra can let us know where we stand technically, that would be a great start
[01:05] <ogra> i have implemented the thin client sound stuff last week, its working perfectly fine out of the box, no user interaction needed ...
[01:05] <ogra> (even isf the spec needs to get updated)
[01:05] <JaneW> ogra: that's awesome :))
[01:06] <ogra> i worked a bit on the multiarch stuff, but havent solved the powerpc error yet
[01:06] <JaneW> ogra: does the spec need to be updated?
[01:06] <ogra> yes, its not approved yet 
[01:06] <mhz_shower> hi
[01:06] <ogra> but the implementation is already done *g*
[01:07] <ogra> student-control-panel saw its first upload, its in the archive now to ply with :)
[01:07] <ogra> i also created a bzr archive, so everyone who likes to work on it can just branch
[01:07] <JaneW> ogra: LOL, ok mention that in the spec... who is the approver?
[01:07] <ogra> mdz
[01:07] <mhz> .oO(excellent)
[01:08] <ogra> he mouthly approved all the ltsp stuff already ...
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: ok, is it submitted for approval?
[01:08] <ogra> but i need to get the text right :)
[01:08] <ogra> yes, all ltsp specs are ...
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: ok do the last tweaks and let me know I'll ask him to approve
[01:08] <ogra> i'll do it today 
[01:08] <JaneW> ogra: can we do a similar page to this for dapper? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap
[01:08] <pips1> ogra: how is the new launchpad spec process ? is it working well for the developers ? (experiences from UBZ ?) 
[01:09] <ogra> pips1, yup :)
[01:09] <JaneW> ogra: we may need to complete this too, and link to all relevant specs, unless you just want to use launchpad blocks and dependecies for this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuRoadmap
[01:09] <ogra> i have my probs since i'm not good in writing the stuff down before i played with it... but thats not related to the spec process, rather a personal thing 
[01:10] <JaneW> mhz: don't foret mhz_getting_dressed please! ;0
[01:10] <ogra> JaneW, we should probably just link to the dapper release schedule... having our own roadmap confused people last time 
[01:10] <mhz> JaneW: i won't get dressed. Maybe I get some edubuntu CD's!!
[01:11] <pips1> is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ?
[01:11] <JaneW> ogra: yes our timeing must be the same, but don;t we want to list our items separately?
[01:11] <ogra> i didnt plan much changes on the desktop anyway, my main focus for this release will be ltsp and the artwork (branding) package
[01:11] <JaneW> ogra: ok, as long as we can easilly track progress and make sure we are on track that's fine
[01:12] <JaneW> mhz: what kind of doubts?
[01:12] <mhz> JaneW: hmm, maybe not relevant 100% for this meeting
[01:12] <ogra> mhz, the idea is to have 2 or 3 choices and to be able to dpkg-reconfigure the package for lower, mid and highschool grades
[01:12] <mhz> yup
[01:12] <mhz> I am aware
[01:13] <pips1> is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the ubuntu wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ?
[01:13] <mhz> it's just that the 'actual hands-on drawing' i am bad at. So I usually design the ideas and pass it on Pablo Noel, but he's not so motivated now :(
[01:14] <ogra> JaneW, since all dapper deadlines apply for us as well, i'd think the dapper schedule is working for us
[01:14] <JaneW> pips1: we decided the table didn;t work well, so it's in launchpad now...
[01:14] <ogra> pips1, its all launchpad
[01:14] <pips1> ah, ok, thanks
[01:15] <ogra> mhz, motivate him :)
[01:15] <JaneW> pips1: the table view is here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable
[01:15] <mhz> JaneW: and the Tecnocimiento gang is more for the work for Edubuntu Chilean Tour. We have very limited resources and so we must use them extremely well
[01:16] <JaneW> mhz: the issue we have is that until we can show that we have a large, lively and particpatory community we will not get more official support
[01:16] <pips1> JaneW: cool, I hadn't discovered that view before !
[01:16] <mhz> JaneW: i know, hence my dilema
[01:16] <ogra> mhz, not only yours 
[01:16] <JaneW> mhz: oliver's talk at UBZ impressed management and they were surprised at the growth and interest we achieved so far, but will be watching to see what we do in this cycle
[01:17] <ogra> JaneW, oh, nobody told me ...
[01:17] <JaneW> mhz: I can fairly much guarantee that we'll get our CDs if we produce a good edubuntu dapper - which we are already on track for
[01:18] <ogra> oh, yes, i forgot .... we have usplash on the thin cients working ;) it will even look good ...
[01:18] <JaneW> so basically we are being treated the same as kubuntu
[01:18] <ogra> not really
[01:18] <mhz> ogra: I know, I am not crying. Please do not think so (that's why I said "maybe not 100% relevant for the meeting) :)
[01:18] <ogra> kubuntu is far ahead of us
[01:18] <JaneW> yes it started way before us
[01:18] <JaneW> pips1: please add it :)
[01:18] <ogra> yup and we'll never have their momentum
[01:19] <ogra> they just have a way bigger userbase
[01:19] <JaneW> ogra: but the point is they were a fringe project, but mnow that there is continuted and growing demand and interest and participation they are being taken seriously
[01:20] <ogra> the main target for us is still to get the k12 users aboard 
[01:20] <JaneW> our situation is a bit different, but we have to prove the demand and interest and garner participation before we can show that we have something worth investing in
[01:20] <ogra> but jammcq and sbalneav are doing great advertizing work in #ltsp
[01:20] <mhz> JaneW: IMHO, Edubuntu is much more aimed to social contribution than technical IT stuff. Therefore, I fear Canonical doesn't see us "progressing" that much as Kubuntu
[01:21] <mhz> social contrib = improving and providing tools for education
[01:21] <JaneW> mhz: indeed
[01:21] <pips1> ogra: kubuntu is for individuals who can just go ahead and use it on their workstation, laptop on a personal basis, Edubuntu needs more commitment from a school...
[01:21] <ogra> mhz, canonical sees that, but they also see its a niche product we build
[01:22] <ogra> pips1, exactly ... and canonical is well aware of that...
[01:22] <mhz> ogra: good point
[01:22] <ogra> but we still have not enough users/testers
[01:22] <JaneW> mhz: also ogra and I bleated about CDs and the big demand, but in the end only you added to the CD request proposal page on the wiki... so it didn;t look good
[01:22] <mhz> ogra: maybe you have just given an argument to convince Pablo :)
[01:22] <mhz> JaneW: LOL
[01:22] <ogra> everybody was crying for teachertool... the source is available for hacking on it, but i havent seen one checkout from the bzr archive yet
[01:23] <JaneW> mhz: if we can keep showing the excellent work of Pablo and results of surveys (as you mentioned before) etc, that will all strengthen our argument
[01:23] <kjcole> ogra
[01:23] <JaneW> so don't be dispondent, it's early days for us still.
[01:24] <kjcole> ogra, were the people screaming about teachertool savvy about using bzr?
[01:24] <pips1> I think a great many schools (in Europe at least) have a Windows network set up already, and then you need to really convince people why they should switch, it's a different story if a school doesn't have a computer lab set up at all...
[01:24] <kjcole> ogra, (I'm just getting my feet wet with bzr myself.)
[01:24] <JaneW> ogra: I think that highlights another of our issues, we are attracting ppl that want and need our solution, but can't necesarily help to develop it (actuall hacking I mean)
[01:24] <ogra> kjcole, no idea, but there is also a source package in dapper ;)
[01:24] <ogra> JaneW, exactly... and we need more developers ...
[01:25] <JaneW> ogra: so we need to try to attract developers
[01:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello
[01:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: wanna be an edubuntu developer?
[01:25] <mhz> ogra: so far, as I said once, Chilean people are very 'special' (sometimes I wanna kick their butts). Schools and universities are not well interested on IT solutions because MANY local biz have screwd the edu sector. So, until I can get some minimum image/merchandising (not asking canonical for, only from local supporters) it is difficult they trust on something made by community
[01:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: or do you know anyone that does?
[01:25] <ogra> student-control-panel only has basic functionallity now ... i was hoping with releasing the source that some people would jump on it ...
[01:25] <highvoltage> ogra: does sounds work from flash applications as well?
[01:25] <ogra> probably i'm just to impatient
[01:26] <ogra> highvoltage, it should ... we use libesd ...
[01:26] <JaneW> mhz: the conferecne packs are coming together, has Marilize responded to you yet?
[01:27] <mhz> JaneW: I agree, that's why my doubts are concerning resources. Asking Pablo means I'll have to spend money on him (not much, but some) Otherwise, I could use same money to rent a place and demo edubuntu to at least 50 teachers at once, with cookies and coffee :D
[01:27] <mhz> JaneW: nope
[01:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: i want to be, but i'm having trouble with even the motu stuff.
[01:28] <highvoltage> the motu guys are great though.
[01:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: and we aren't? *pout*
[01:28] <JaneW> ok how are we going to solve this problem?
[01:28] <mhz> ogra: you are not impatient, you're wise
[01:28] <ogra> highvoltage, improve your python skills, hack on student-control-panel ;)
[01:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: you're fantastic!
[01:29] <highvoltage> ogra: that i'll gladly do.
[01:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: but yes, it's a definate yes.
[01:29] <JaneW> the ppl we have are over commited already and need to work in paid jobs to support themselves
[01:29] <mhz> unfortunately!
[01:29] <pips1> highvoltage: what's difficult part of becoming a motu, from your point of view?
[01:29] <mhz> :D
[01:29] <kjcole> JaneW: Here, here. (I wasn't even at the meeting where I got committed to the Cookbook.) ;-)
[01:29] <JaneW> how can we find willing ppl who have skills and time and want to help?
[01:30] <kjcole> (Ooops.  s/Here, here/Hear, hear/)
[01:30] <JaneW> kjcole: hehe, *grin*
[01:30] <mhz> JaneW: Edubuntu Tours (evangelizing)
[01:30] <JaneW> kjcole: you still liking it?
[01:31] <ogra> JaneW, the german ubuntu LoCo goes to 15 conferences this year, i'll be on some of them holding talks about edubuntu ...
[01:31] <mhz> JaneW: assigning point
[01:31] <mhz> JaneW: assigning points
[01:31] <mhz> points = prizes
[01:31] <kjcole> Still liking the cookbook...  However, am unfamiliar with docbook and bzr.  But learning.
[01:31] <ogra> so evangelizing should help a bit ...
[01:31] <sivang> (talking about non evengelizing work ;-))
[01:32] <JaneW> kjcole: if you finish the cook book I may be compelled to bake a cake...http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389874/
[01:33] <JaneW> think we could get the skills and interest we need if we target students?
[01:33] <mhz> lol
[01:33] <ogra> its hard to bite :)
[01:33] <highvolt1ge> sorry, having some connectivity troubles this side.
[01:33] <ogra> pips1, ++
[01:33] <mhz> ogra: at least we can say it looks good (maybe taste does not) :D
[01:33] <JaneW> ogra: sorry... I didn't DARE ask the UBZ waiters if I could use the kitchen, they were mean!
[01:34] <ogra> lol
[01:34] <mhz> JaneW: YES!, hence the Edubuntu Tours
[01:34] <JaneW> pips1: I hope these mental notes are your To Do list - hint hint
[01:34] <mhz> students can easily get comitted esp. when they see their work is being officially released
[01:34] <JaneW> to me it's a chicken and egg thing
[01:34] <pips1> JaneW: they are 
[01:34] <mhz> I am building a database of over 1500 schools
[01:35] <mhz> chilean schools of course
[01:35] <JaneW> do we want to evangelise before we have dev help, or will we get dev help by evangelising?
[01:35] <JaneW> pips1: awesome thanks :)))
[01:35] <ogra> JaneW, the latter 
[01:35] <mhz> JaneW: good point. the latter
[01:35] <ogra> hey spacey
[01:35] <spacey> hey :)
[01:35] <kjcole> Personal perspective: I work at Gallaudet University, which is a university for deaf and hard of hearing.
[01:36] <JaneW> pips1: your wiki organise page was very helpful and informative btw
[01:36] <kjcole> On the same campus as the university, we have a primary and a secondary school for deaf/HoH.
[01:36] <mhz> kjcole: wow! sounds interesitng yet more difficult
[01:36] <JaneW> ogra: ok well then we must just get the word out where ever and whenever
[01:37] <mhz> exactly!
[01:37] <kjcole> Every time I try to sell them on something like Linux, they argue that they have "special" needs for "special" software, that they're convinced cannot be found anywhere else.
[01:37] <ogra> JaneW, thats my plan (at least for germany where i can travel relatively cheap on my own cost)
[01:37] <sivang> ogra, JaneW : When do you expect to need to application names changes and how much are you going to be blocked by upstream with that?
[01:37] <pips1> JaneW: thanks, so far only highvoltage was able to comment in the wiki, though.. oh and henrik!
[01:37] <highvoltage> JaneW: ping
[01:37] <kjcole> However, when I try to pin them down on those "special" programs, I get zip.
[01:37] <ogra> sivang, i dont think wee need this ... 
[01:37] <mhz> JaneW: that's reminds me that I have found some inconsitancies between Manifesto and actual design work
[01:38] <ogra> sivang, the initial idea was to have a menu task driven profile but that didnt include renaming apps ...
[01:38] <mhz> kjcole: i know there are some good work for those special needs
[01:38] <ogra> sivang, thats something edubuntu cant solve, its a ubuntu thing
[01:38] <JaneW> pips1: well since they put what's there together laregly they would have an interest in commenting ;)
[01:38] <sivang> ogra: ah, ok
[01:38] <JaneW> highvoltage: pong
[01:38] <sivang> noted
[01:38] <mhz> pips1: what page?
[01:39] <JaneW> sivang: I don;t know, but it would help to have something more descriptive...
[01:39] <pips1> mhz: the wiki pages about the edubuntu website plan, I think you subscribed to them already :-)
[01:39] <pips1> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan
[01:39] <mhz> JaneW: descriptive = categorized?
[01:39] <highvoltage> JaneW: sorry, my connection is terrible
[01:40] <mhz> oh, yes. I am subscribed
[01:40] <ogra> kjcole, there is a acessibility project going on, lets see how much technology we can adopt from them... should make it more attractive ...
[01:40] <highvoltage> seems to be fine again now.
[01:40] <sivang> ogra: so basically, they are looking at adding a another menu, that just has different grouping and descriptions for the launched applications?
[01:40] <mhz> pips1: believe me, it's listed on my ToEdit list :)
[01:40] <highvoltage> JaneW: i didn't get anything after the current people having high loads until just about a minute ago.
[01:40] <ogra> sivang, task driven ... a special menu for math classes, another for biology etc ...
[01:40] <mhz> pips1: i even commented something on #moin last week
[01:40] <ogra> sivang, but thats out of scope for dapper ...
[01:41] <pips1> mhz: right! You are definitely doing a good job evangelizing moin ;-)
[01:41] <ogra> for dapper we'll have sabayon and the opportunity to make your own profiles ...
[01:42] <JaneW> pips1: where's your other page now? The one with the colour tags?
[01:42] <mhz> sivang: ogra: but at least, having all apps. listed on a wiki page, and grouped by categories would help
[01:42] <ogra> mhz, sure
[01:43] <mhz> it is just for teachers and talks puposes
[01:43] <mhz> pips1: hehehe, thx
[01:43] <pips1> JaneW: that page is linked from the one I posted above
[01:43] <JaneW> mhz: no categorized to but descriptive as in not 'Kig' but rather ' short description of what app does' it seems we can;t change this easilly though
[01:43] <mhz> pips1: but still most people insist on SubPages/SubPages etc
[01:43] <mhz> :)
[01:43] <pips1> JaneW: I think you are talking about http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteOfficialContent
[01:44] <sivang> ogra: ah , I see. could be interesting to work on that for dapper+1, indeed.
[01:44] <ogra> sivang, definately
[01:44] <mhz> JaneW: oooohh, right. I am not sure if we 'need' soemthing like that. On the other hand, it is good people get used to application names
[01:44] <ogra> sivang, but we'll need a detailed spec ... we have none yet since it wasnt in scope for dapper
[01:44] <mhz> however, i do see the purpose behind descriptions
[01:45] <ogra> JaneW, thats what the tooltip normally does
[01:45] <ogra> but KDE and GNOME have different views about what id descriptive and what not
[01:46] <ogra> so getting KIG to have a gnome compliant description can get hard for example
[01:46] <sivang> right
[01:46] <mhz> JaneW: our manifesto states 'freedom' as something of enormous importance. However, all artwork I have seen (except Cd slips) is made with and for Propietary applications :(
[01:46] <mhz> (and probably from NON-ubuntu boxes)
[01:47] <sivang> ogra: do you think something like what is needed could be achived without changing the current .desktop and the menu structure systems? 
[01:47] <mhz> ogra: another reason to use lighter desktops maybe. :D Menus are piece of cake (AFAIK)
[01:48] <ogra> sivang, i think using predefined sabayon profiles for the different tasks is the way to go... i dont think we should fiddle with .desktop files if avoidable
[01:49] <ogra> mhz, but i loose the help of the distro team and the ability to predict that the desktop is 100% sane for release ... 
[01:49] <ogra> both i can get only from gnome in ubuntu
[01:49] <spacey> yes @ predefined sabayon profiles
[01:49] <spacey> that is a good way
[01:49] <mhz> ogra: sivang: but tweaking those, will that favour teachers trying to have K12 Menus, Teens Menus, HighSchool Menus, etc?
[01:50] <mhz> ogra: good point
[01:51] <ogra> JaneW, still alive ? 
[01:52] <spacey> mhz, you can just make different profiles with each different kind of menu
[01:53] <spacey> with their own aim
[01:54] <ogra> we can ship a handful of default profiles as templates for tweakage :)
[01:54] <mhz> spacey: good idea. Any wiki page how?
[01:54] <spacey> mhz, basicly anything you can do with smeg AFAIK
[01:54] <spacey> mhz, its in your menu
[01:54] <spacey> as "applications menu editor"
[01:54] <ogra> mhz, right click the "applications" menu 
[01:54] <spacey> under applications -> systemtools
[01:55] <mhz> spacey: ok, then I'll boot into GNOME (I use Wmaker)
[01:55] <spacey> ogra, even more easy :)
[01:55] <ogra> both is fine ;)
[01:55] <mhz> okidoki, thx
[01:56] <sivang> ogra: interesting, sbayon won't run without sudo :)
[01:56] <ogra> yup
[01:56] <ogra> its setting system defaults
[01:56] <sivang> ogra: oh goody, starting is Xnested session now
[01:57] <ogra> yes
[01:57] <sivang> ogra: after it has the sessions running, do I just change the menu layout and descriptions, what do I do afterwareds?
[01:57] <ogra> you can modify the template desktop to your needs ... thats how you create profiles with it
[01:57] <ogra> just save afterwards ... and assign users to the profile
[01:58] <sivang> cool, then all we do is create thoe temples, and then ship them in a package, and have some sort of GUI to assign users to?
[01:58] <ogra> sadly it doesnt work via ssh tunneling, so its not usable on thin clients yet
[01:58] <mhz> ohhhhhhhhh
[01:58] <sivang> bad :-/
[01:59] <ogra> yup
[01:59] <ogra> Xnests fault 
[01:59] <mhz> now you say it??? :D
[01:59] <mhz> lol
[01:59] <ogra> thats why we didnt ship it in breezy ...
[01:59] <sivang> ogra: but it could be a good solution for shipping the master package for each client
[01:59] <ogra> it was on my plan
[01:59] <ogra> s/plan/list
[01:59] <sivang> not that stable ., either. seems stuck now
[02:00] <pips1> JaneW: I created a new page here : http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteCommunityContent
[02:04] <kjcole> Well all, time for me to finish trying to wake up and pretend to go in to work.
[02:04] <mhz> kjcole: could you wiki a page with the special needs and priorities?
[02:05] <kjcole> (I'd looked before at the Accessibility stuff.  Didn't see anything deafness-related but will look again.  Will put something up in Edubuntu's wiki if I don't find a similar page.)
[02:06] <pips1> got to go.. cu
[02:06] <ogra> kjcole, talk to dholbach, he's doing the accessibility stuff together with hno73
[02:06] <mhz> kjcole: thx
[02:06] <ogra> he will know about the set off apps that are available
[02:07] <mhz> kjcole: and please add info about #of students, some stats
[02:07] <mhz> etc
[02:07] <mhz> it may be useful to prepare some MarketingPaln
[02:08] <mhz> and therefore evangelising
[02:11] <flint> good morning...
[02:11] <mhz> morning
[02:12] <kjcole> What's good about it? ;-)
[02:13] <flint> I am no longer living in Washington DC.  I am now in Montpelier, the capital of the state of Vermont!
[02:13] <flint> good to hear from you kevin!
[02:14] <flint> has ollie or jane made appearances?  You have a reason to inquire about the goodness of the morning, our associates have been up for hours
[02:14] <mhz> flint: is that betta?
[02:15] <flint> I look out over mountains through which the mighty Winnoski (the local river) courses... to summarize, indeed, big time!
[02:15] <ogra> flint, seems Janes line just died
[02:16] <flint> One bad line deserves another, lemme see...
[02:16] <sivang> flint: Hi there, I didn't realize back at UBZ that you were canadia, are you?
[02:16] <ogra> sivang, vermont is US 
[02:16] <flint> not quite in canada, I am about 25 miles from the canadian border.
[02:17] <sivang> ogra: oops, I'm missing few geography lessons :-)
[02:17] <flint> sivang, the idea here is that i can get to the canadian border (and across it) damn quickly :^)
[02:17] <sivang> yep
[02:18] <flint> Vermont even here in the capital has an active sucessionist party.  
[02:18] <flint> the motto is "Save a deer shoot a flatlander"
[02:18] <flint> they feel that Vermont is just as big as texas, if you flatten the state out.
[02:19] <flint> ollie, are these bad lines?
[02:19] <flint> actually now while jane is offline might be a good time to continue to laugh about the little phillipino girl on the desktop
[02:20] <ogra> flint, i meant her connection :)
[02:20] <flint> I really do not give a rats ass myself about the damn graphic, but the edubuntu list had real folks trying to implement
[02:21] <flint> I know, and I feel dirty :^)  is she back to yell at me?
[02:21] <kjcole> And on that note, time for me to toddle off to work. Have fun gentlemen... You too, Flint. ;-)
[02:21] <flint> anyway, the idea that I counted like 4 folks actually trying to implement this product in classrooms reminded me of the responsibility we have
[02:22] <flint> kevin, thanks for stopping in!  enjoy DC.
[02:22] <ogra> bye kjcole 
[02:22] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyPackages
[02:22] <mhz> I will add much more info pretty soon there
[02:23] <ogra> flint, marks idea was to have a professional company designing the next wllpapers/splashscreens for us ...
[02:23] <mhz> ogra: thx for the effort of teaching how to package them :D
[02:23] <ogra> mhz, id didnt make any effort yet ;)
[02:23] <ogra> s/id/i
[02:24] <mhz> ogra: could we be hired to design them?
[02:24] <flint> This takes all the pain out of the process..
[02:24] <ogra> mhz, he wants a company for all three distros as i understood, but i'll ask
[02:24] <mhz> Pablo and Andrea (both designers) will be VERY motivated
[02:25] <mhz> plus I can kick their butts whenever I need to :D
[02:25] <ogra> flint, additionally i sent a mail to the ML that shows how i want to implement it ... you'll be easily able to reconfigure the artwork to another grade
[02:25] <ogra> ... if needed
[02:25] <fabbione> hey flint !
[02:25] <mhz> ogra: I can even ask and sum up Pablo and Andrea resume / portafolio
[02:26] <flint> inded Don Fabio bon journo!
[02:26] <ogra> mhz, let me talk to mark first... and even to JaneW
[02:26] <mhz> okidoki
[02:26] <fabbione> ehe
[02:27] <flint> the whole graphic thing is only amusing.  it is not the code.
[02:27] <ogra> yes, but if people have a point there, we'll have to react
[02:27] <sivang> (the current one, that is)
[02:28] <ogra> and i think the approach to ship three different choices of artwork is the right way to go ...
[02:28] <flint> moving on, I think that Mauricio has done a good thing with this wkiki
[02:28] <ogra> (probably even a fourth one for community contributed artwork)
[02:28] <mhz> I rarely see the point of discussing about GUI's but I understand this time we're in need of more people to help us
[02:28] <flint> sivang, if we were art geeks this would matter, but we are ubuntu geeks...
[02:29] <mhz> flint: who Mauricio?
[02:29] <ogra> mhz, there are not many mauricios in this channel i guess
[02:29] <ogra> :)
[02:29] <flint> mhz, I thought that your name was at the bottom o the old wiki
[02:30] <mhz> ogra: I thought it was a typo
[02:30] <flint> sorry :^)
[02:30] <flint> got to learn to tyep, only course I ever flunked...
[02:30] <flint> mhz, ever hear of scorm?
[02:30] <mhz> ogra: and this is the 1st time I see 'Mauricio' written in IRC
[02:31] <flint> this is a tough room...
[02:31] <mhz> scorm, not the nick right? the edu stuff?
[02:31] <flint> mhz, you are on the mark
[02:31] <flint> the educational stuff is a way of packaging course material.  Is it applicable to this project?
[02:32] <flint> oh the Mark, I get it! most amusing :^)
[02:33] <mhz> flinthehehehe
[02:33] <mhz> flint: I have never tried it
[02:34] <flint> often I type for my own entertainment
[02:34] <mhz> but it must be tried out
[02:34] <mhz> flint: I have noticed
[02:34] <flint> mhz, a harsh but justified comment :^) I want to look into this and if the add allows put the results on your wiki 
[02:35] <mhz> yup
[02:35] <mhz> flint: I appreciate as much help as possible
[02:35] <mhz> esp. because this packaging is one the strong point for Edubuntu Chielan Tour to get some funds :)
[02:36] <mhz> Chilean
[02:36] <flint> mhz, the real nub to work i believe is how to get a scorm coerced into a deb.
[02:37] <mhz> hehehe
[02:37] <mhz> indeed
[02:37] <mhz> hence I propose to aim at the tools edubuntu comes with
[02:37] <mhz> i.e.: Keduca
[02:37] <mhz> we can create files for it
[02:37] <mhz> KIG, too
[02:38] <mhz> etc.
[02:38] <mhz> we have to identify which applications (default ones, first) can use files we create
[02:38] <mhz> and then test those files as packages
[02:39] <mhz> then we could worry about non default apps
[02:39] <mhz> such scorm
[02:39] <mhz> flint: what do you think?
[02:39] <flint> mhz, I completely agree 
[02:39] <mhz> educool!
[02:39] <mhz> :D
[02:39] <mhz> also, flint
[02:39] <mhz> maybe you could help us with desingning a survey
[02:40] <mhz> we think we need to identify profiles
[02:40] <flint> mhz, scorm is not an application, it is a standard for packaging course material...
[02:40] <flint> mhz, check into it.
[02:40] <mhz> of people who is reticent to ICT, people who will actually evangelise for us, etc
[02:41] <mhz> flint: I know. sorry for my spanish thinking when I write english. scorm is standrad
[02:41] <mhz> yes
[02:41] <mhz> we can worry about apps. that follow the standard. is that the way in english?
[02:42] <flint> mhz, I will delve into keduca when I get my lab re setup here in Vermong.  Instead of a survey, how about an SLA?
[02:42] <mhz> SLA?
[02:42] <mhz> flint: ogra: should we move onto #edubuntu?
[02:42] <flint> mhz, the deal with standards is that there are so many to choose from in this absurd world.
[02:42] <mhz> and leave the channel available
[02:43] <mhz> flint: LOL, indeed
[02:43] <ogra_> note that i'd like to replace the kde stuff over time ...
[02:43] <mhz> we make it complex
[02:43] <flint> i thought that the meeting was supposed to be here today
[02:43] <ogra_> (if gnome apps with similar functionallity show up)
[02:43] <mhz> flint: afaik, the meeting started 2 hours ago (almost)
[02:44] <flint> ollie is this so?  I thought the meeting started at 08:00 EST 12:00 UTC
[02:44] <ogra_> 12:00 UTC
[02:44] <ogra_> ogra@honk:~/dapper-xss/xscreensaver-4.23 $ date -u
[02:44] <ogra_> Mi Nov 16 13:44:56 UTC 2005
[02:45] <flint> which is please god tell me 08:00 EST
[02:45] <ogra_> its 1h 45min ago
[02:45] <flint> never was too good with schedules.  Then this meeting starts at 07:00 EDT?
[02:45] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ date -u -d '12:00 UTC'
[02:45] <Kamion> Wed Nov 16 12:00:00 UTC 2005
[02:45] <Kamion> <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ TZ=EST date -d '12:00 UTC'
[02:45] <Kamion> Wed Nov 16 07:00:00 EST 2005
[02:46] <ogra_> hah
[02:46] <ogra_> DST victim :)
[02:46] <flint> god help me!  even earlier!!!  I will fix my clock for next week. sorry 
[02:47] <flint> mhz, SLA is Service Level Agreement.  It is a formal statement of what Edubuntu offers to the Educational Institution.
[02:47] <mhz> oohhh
[02:47] <mhz> ineresting
[02:47] <mhz> very much
[02:48] <mhz> also, i think there's a standard for User Level with ICT
[02:48] <flint> The idea here is to make it possible for edubuntu to be acceped into the educational environment, and believe me these folks love well written paperwork.
[02:48] <mhz> puagggkkk!
[02:48] <flint> mhz, exactly
[02:49] <mhz> flint: 'show me the code' unfortunately is not applied to institutions :(
[02:49] <flint> anyway I will see you all next week at god help me 07:00 EDT
[02:49] <mhz> flint: so, shall we move on to #edubuntu?
[02:49] <flint> mhz, I will but I need coffee now.  be there in about 30 minutes.
[02:50] <ogra_> ok, so lets call this meeting closed then... smms JaneW's line didnt come up again
[02:50] <ogra_> *seems
[02:50] <mhz> yup
[02:58] <highvoltage> meeting over?
[02:59] <Riddell> yes
[03:00] <highvoltage> Riddell: i got the "jonathan" launchpad account :P
[03:24] <mhz> JaneW: we closed
[03:24] <mhz> :D
[03:26] <JaneW> :(