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[05:22] Hello Mario [05:23] CommunityCouncilAgenda [05:23] CommunityCouncil [05:25] well i can't help you === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:49] two more packages and all of the packages that start with b are merged (minus bzr, I'm not touching that) === linuxbz [n=nospam@etcdsl1.btl.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MarioMeyer [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spacey_ [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === whiprush_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === \sh_away [n=nsh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bob2 [i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ubuntugeek [i=brandx@vr0.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Treenaks [n=martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === manicka [n=manicka@203-217-90-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-135-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MarioMeyer_ [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === manicka [n=manicka@203-217-90-215.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob_melb [n=rob@c210-49-218-138.brodm1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-135-232.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:43] whitesoft: wrong week, dude :) === linuxbz [n=nospam@etcdsl1.btl.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pips1 [n=chatzill@195.216.81.229] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:56] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 4 minutes === ian_brasil [n=vern@pintada.proamazon.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:59] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting here in 1 minutes === JaneW is turning into a bot... === ogra waits for the 30 sec announcement [01:00] and for the 10 sec countdown :) === Katsumoto [n=teraflop@bbned225-210-100.dsl.hccnet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:01] heh [01:01] hi all [01:01] :) [01:02] we havent had a meeting since before UBZ [01:02] so several weeks now [01:02] there seem to be quite a few new faces in #edubuntu which is nice to see [01:02] I hope that means ppl are installing and using edubuntu [01:03] We didn;t publish an agenda for this week's meeting === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:04] short report from the technical side ? [01:04] but there are some notes up from the last edubuntu meeting we had, which was held at UBZ http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords [01:04] ogra: yes please! .-) [01:04] So yes, if ogra can let us know where we stand technically, that would be a great start [01:05] i have implemented the thin client sound stuff last week, its working perfectly fine out of the box, no user interaction needed ... [01:05] (even isf the spec needs to get updated) [01:05] ogra: that's awesome :)) [01:06] i worked a bit on the multiarch stuff, but havent solved the powerpc error yet [01:06] ogra: does the spec need to be updated? [01:06] yes, its not approved yet === mhz_shower [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:06] hi [01:06] but the implementation is already done *g* [01:07] student-control-panel saw its first upload, its in the archive now to ply with :) [01:07] i also created a bzr archive, so everyone who likes to work on it can just branch [01:07] ogra: LOL, ok mention that in the spec... who is the approver? [01:07] mdz [01:07] .oO(excellent) [01:08] he mouthly approved all the ltsp stuff already ... [01:08] ogra: ok, is it submitted for approval? [01:08] but i need to get the text right :) [01:08] yes, all ltsp specs are ... [01:08] ogra: ok do the last tweaks and let me know I'll ask him to approve [01:08] i'll do it today [01:08] ogra: can we do a similar page to this for dapper? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap [01:08] ogra: how is the new launchpad spec process ? is it working well for the developers ? (experiences from UBZ ?) [01:09] pips1, yup :) [01:09] ogra: we may need to complete this too, and link to all relevant specs, unless you just want to use launchpad blocks and dependecies for this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuRoadmap [01:09] i have my probs since i'm not good in writing the stuff down before i played with it... but thats not related to the spec process, rather a personal thing === juliux [n=juliux@p54B16606.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:10] mhz: don't foret mhz_getting_dressed please! ;0 [01:10] JaneW, we should probably just link to the dapper release schedule... having our own roadmap confused people last time [01:10] JaneW: i won't get dressed. Maybe I get some edubuntu CD's!! [01:11] is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ? [01:11] ogra: yes our timeing must be the same, but don;t we want to list our items separately? [01:11] i didnt plan much changes on the desktop anyway, my main focus for this release will be ltsp and the artwork (branding) package [01:11] ogra: ok, as long as we can easilly track progress and make sure we are on track that's fine === mhz would like to help with artwork but he has some doubts [01:12] mhz: what kind of doubts? [01:12] JaneW: hmm, maybe not relevant 100% for this meeting [01:12] mhz, the idea is to have 2 or 3 choices and to be able to dpkg-reconfigure the package for lower, mid and highschool grades [01:12] yup [01:12] I am aware [01:13] is there going to be an "overview table" of specs in the ubuntu wiki as there used to be, or will everything happen in launchpad now ? [01:13] it's just that the 'actual hands-on drawing' i am bad at. So I usually design the ideas and pass it on Pablo Noel, but he's not so motivated now :( [01:14] JaneW, since all dapper deadlines apply for us as well, i'd think the dapper schedule is working for us [01:14] pips1: we decided the table didn;t work well, so it's in launchpad now... [01:14] pips1, its all launchpad [01:14] ah, ok, thanks [01:15] mhz, motivate him :) [01:15] pips1: the table view is here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable [01:15] JaneW: and the Tecnocimiento gang is more for the work for Edubuntu Chilean Tour. We have very limited resources and so we must use them extremely well [01:16] mhz: the issue we have is that until we can show that we have a large, lively and particpatory community we will not get more official support [01:16] JaneW: cool, I hadn't discovered that view before ! [01:16] JaneW: i know, hence my dilema [01:16] mhz, not only yours [01:16] mhz: oliver's talk at UBZ impressed management and they were surprised at the growth and interest we achieved so far, but will be watching to see what we do in this cycle [01:17] JaneW, oh, nobody told me ... === ogra didnt like his talk [01:17] mhz: I can fairly much guarantee that we'll get our CDs if we produce a good edubuntu dapper - which we are already on track for [01:18] oh, yes, i forgot .... we have usplash on the thin cients working ;) it will even look good ... [01:18] so basically we are being treated the same as kubuntu [01:18] not really [01:18] ogra: I know, I am not crying. Please do not think so (that's why I said "maybe not 100% relevant for the meeting) :) [01:18] kubuntu is far ahead of us === pips1 makes a mental note that the website/wiki should contain a section about "Edubuntu in action" [01:18] yes it started way before us [01:18] pips1: please add it :) [01:18] yup and we'll never have their momentum [01:19] they just have a way bigger userbase [01:19] ogra: but the point is they were a fringe project, but mnow that there is continuted and growing demand and interest and participation they are being taken seriously [01:20] the main target for us is still to get the k12 users aboard [01:20] our situation is a bit different, but we have to prove the demand and interest and garner participation before we can show that we have something worth investing in [01:20] but jammcq and sbalneav are doing great advertizing work in #ltsp [01:20] JaneW: IMHO, Edubuntu is much more aimed to social contribution than technical IT stuff. Therefore, I fear Canonical doesn't see us "progressing" that much as Kubuntu [01:21] social contrib = improving and providing tools for education [01:21] mhz: indeed [01:21] ogra: kubuntu is for individuals who can just go ahead and use it on their workstation, laptop on a personal basis, Edubuntu needs more commitment from a school... [01:21] mhz, canonical sees that, but they also see its a niche product we build [01:22] pips1, exactly ... and canonical is well aware of that... [01:22] ogra: good point [01:22] but we still have not enough users/testers [01:22] mhz: also ogra and I bleated about CDs and the big demand, but in the end only you added to the CD request proposal page on the wiki... so it didn;t look good [01:22] ogra: maybe you have just given an argument to convince Pablo :) [01:22] JaneW: LOL [01:22] everybody was crying for teachertool... the source is available for hacking on it, but i havent seen one checkout from the bzr archive yet [01:23] mhz: if we can keep showing the excellent work of Pablo and results of surveys (as you mentioned before) etc, that will all strengthen our argument [01:23] ogra [01:23] so don't be dispondent, it's early days for us still. [01:24] ogra, were the people screaming about teachertool savvy about using bzr? [01:24] I think a great many schools (in Europe at least) have a Windows network set up already, and then you need to really convince people why they should switch, it's a different story if a school doesn't have a computer lab set up at all... [01:24] ogra, (I'm just getting my feet wet with bzr myself.) [01:24] ogra: I think that highlights another of our issues, we are attracting ppl that want and need our solution, but can't necesarily help to develop it (actuall hacking I mean) [01:24] kjcole, no idea, but there is also a source package in dapper ;) [01:24] JaneW, exactly... and we need more developers ... === highvoltage arrives [01:25] ogra: so we need to try to attract developers [01:25] highvoltage: hello [01:25] highvoltage: wanna be an edubuntu developer? [01:25] ogra: so far, as I said once, Chilean people are very 'special' (sometimes I wanna kick their butts). Schools and universities are not well interested on IT solutions because MANY local biz have screwd the edu sector. So, until I can get some minimum image/merchandising (not asking canonical for, only from local supporters) it is difficult they trust on something made by community [01:25] highvoltage: or do you know anyone that does? [01:25] student-control-panel only has basic functionallity now ... i was hoping with releasing the source that some people would jump on it ... [01:25] ogra: does sounds work from flash applications as well? [01:25] probably i'm just to impatient [01:26] highvoltage, it should ... we use libesd ... [01:26] mhz: the conferecne packs are coming together, has Marilize responded to you yet? [01:27] JaneW: I agree, that's why my doubts are concerning resources. Asking Pablo means I'll have to spend money on him (not much, but some) Otherwise, I could use same money to rent a place and demo edubuntu to at least 50 teachers at once, with cookies and coffee :D [01:27] JaneW: nope [01:28] JaneW: i want to be, but i'm having trouble with even the motu stuff. [01:28] the motu guys are great though. [01:28] highvoltage: and we aren't? *pout* [01:28] ok how are we going to solve this problem? [01:28] ogra: you are not impatient, you're wise [01:28] highvoltage, improve your python skills, hack on student-control-panel ;) [01:29] JaneW: you're fantastic! [01:29] ogra: that i'll gladly do. [01:29] JaneW: but yes, it's a definate yes. [01:29] the ppl we have are over commited already and need to work in paid jobs to support themselves [01:29] unfortunately! [01:29] highvoltage: what's difficult part of becoming a motu, from your point of view? [01:29] :D [01:29] JaneW: Here, here. (I wasn't even at the meeting where I got committed to the Cookbook.) ;-) [01:29] how can we find willing ppl who have skills and time and want to help? === ogra isnt overcommitted this time ... but edubuntu will suffer if nobody steps up to fill the gaps [01:30] (Ooops. s/Here, here/Hear, hear/) [01:30] kjcole: hehe, *grin* [01:30] JaneW: Edubuntu Tours (evangelizing) [01:30] kjcole: you still liking it? === sivang wouldn't mind to help whereever he can, however he has dayjob commitments as well [01:31] JaneW, the german ubuntu LoCo goes to 15 conferences this year, i'll be on some of them holding talks about edubuntu ... [01:31] JaneW: assigning point [01:31] JaneW: assigning points === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:31] points = prizes [01:31] Still liking the cookbook... However, am unfamiliar with docbook and bzr. But learning. [01:31] so evangelizing should help a bit ... [01:31] (talking about non evengelizing work ;-)) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:32] kjcole: if you finish the cook book I may be compelled to bake a cake...http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/52389874/ === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@edison.tsf.org.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz LOVES cakes! === ogra doesnt like virtual cake ... [01:33] think we could get the skills and interest we need if we target students? [01:33] lol [01:33] its hard to bite :) === Simira neither... [01:33] sorry, having some connectivity troubles this side. === pips1 makes a mental note that there should be a "how to evangelize edubuntu" page in the wiki... [01:33] pips1, ++ [01:33] ogra: at least we can say it looks good (maybe taste does not) :D [01:33] ogra: sorry... I didn't DARE ask the UBZ waiters if I could use the kitchen, they were mean! [01:34] lol [01:34] JaneW: YES!, hence the Edubuntu Tours [01:34] pips1: I hope these mental notes are your To Do list - hint hint [01:34] students can easily get comitted esp. when they see their work is being officially released [01:34] to me it's a chicken and egg thing [01:34] JaneW: they are [01:34] I am building a database of over 1500 schools [01:35] chilean schools of course [01:35] do we want to evangelise before we have dev help, or will we get dev help by evangelising? [01:35] pips1: awesome thanks :))) [01:35] JaneW, the latter === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:35] JaneW: good point. the latter [01:35] hey spacey [01:35] hey :) [01:35] Personal perspective: I work at Gallaudet University, which is a university for deaf and hard of hearing. [01:36] pips1: your wiki organise page was very helpful and informative btw [01:36] On the same campus as the university, we have a primary and a secondary school for deaf/HoH. [01:36] kjcole: wow! sounds interesitng yet more difficult [01:36] ogra: ok well then we must just get the word out where ever and whenever [01:37] exactly! [01:37] Every time I try to sell them on something like Linux, they argue that they have "special" needs for "special" software, that they're convinced cannot be found anywhere else. [01:37] JaneW, thats my plan (at least for germany where i can travel relatively cheap on my own cost) [01:37] ogra, JaneW : When do you expect to need to application names changes and how much are you going to be blocked by upstream with that? [01:37] JaneW: thanks, so far only highvoltage was able to comment in the wiki, though.. oh and henrik! [01:37] JaneW: ping [01:37] However, when I try to pin them down on those "special" programs, I get zip. [01:37] sivang, i dont think wee need this ... [01:37] JaneW: that's reminds me that I have found some inconsitancies between Manifesto and actual design work [01:38] sivang, the initial idea was to have a menu task driven profile but that didnt include renaming apps ... [01:38] kjcole: i know there are some good work for those special needs [01:38] sivang, thats something edubuntu cant solve, its a ubuntu thing [01:38] pips1: well since they put what's there together laregly they would have an interest in commenting ;) [01:38] ogra: ah, ok [01:38] highvoltage: pong [01:38] noted [01:38] pips1: what page? [01:39] sivang: I don;t know, but it would help to have something more descriptive... [01:39] mhz: the wiki pages about the edubuntu website plan, I think you subscribed to them already :-) [01:39] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWebsitePlan [01:39] JaneW: descriptive = categorized? [01:39] JaneW: sorry, my connection is terrible [01:40] oh, yes. I am subscribed [01:40] kjcole, there is a acessibility project going on, lets see how much technology we can adopt from them... should make it more attractive ... [01:40] seems to be fine again now. [01:40] ogra: so basically, they are looking at adding a another menu, that just has different grouping and descriptions for the launched applications? [01:40] pips1: believe me, it's listed on my ToEdit list :) [01:40] JaneW: i didn't get anything after the current people having high loads until just about a minute ago. [01:40] sivang, task driven ... a special menu for math classes, another for biology etc ... [01:40] pips1: i even commented something on #moin last week [01:40] sivang, but thats out of scope for dapper ... [01:41] mhz: right! You are definitely doing a good job evangelizing moin ;-) [01:41] for dapper we'll have sabayon and the opportunity to make your own profiles ... [01:42] pips1: where's your other page now? The one with the colour tags? [01:42] sivang: ogra: but at least, having all apps. listed on a wiki page, and grouped by categories would help [01:42] mhz, sure === mhz doesnt need it, thoug [01:43] it is just for teachers and talks puposes [01:43] pips1: hehehe, thx [01:43] JaneW: that page is linked from the one I posted above [01:43] mhz: no categorized to but descriptive as in not 'Kig' but rather ' short description of what app does' it seems we can;t change this easilly though [01:43] pips1: but still most people insist on SubPages/SubPages etc [01:43] :) [01:43] JaneW: I think you are talking about http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteOfficialContent [01:44] ogra: ah , I see. could be interesting to work on that for dapper+1, indeed. [01:44] sivang, definately [01:44] JaneW: oooohh, right. I am not sure if we 'need' soemthing like that. On the other hand, it is good people get used to application names [01:44] sivang, but we'll need a detailed spec ... we have none yet since it wasnt in scope for dapper [01:44] however, i do see the purpose behind descriptions [01:45] JaneW, thats what the tooltip normally does [01:45] but KDE and GNOME have different views about what id descriptive and what not [01:46] so getting KIG to have a gnome compliant description can get hard for example [01:46] right [01:46] JaneW: our manifesto states 'freedom' as something of enormous importance. However, all artwork I have seen (except Cd slips) is made with and for Propietary applications :( [01:46] (and probably from NON-ubuntu boxes) [01:47] ogra: do you think something like what is needed could be achived without changing the current .desktop and the menu structure systems? [01:47] ogra: another reason to use lighter desktops maybe. :D Menus are piece of cake (AFAIK) [01:48] sivang, i think using predefined sabayon profiles for the different tasks is the way to go... i dont think we should fiddle with .desktop files if avoidable [01:49] mhz, but i loose the help of the distro team and the ability to predict that the desktop is 100% sane for release ... [01:49] both i can get only from gnome in ubuntu [01:49] yes @ predefined sabayon profiles [01:49] that is a good way [01:49] ogra: sivang: but tweaking those, will that favour teachers trying to have K12 Menus, Teens Menus, HighSchool Menus, etc? [01:50] ogra: good point [01:51] JaneW, still alive ? [01:52] mhz, you can just make different profiles with each different kind of menu [01:53] with their own aim [01:54] we can ship a handful of default profiles as templates for tweakage :) [01:54] spacey: good idea. Any wiki page how? [01:54] mhz, basicly anything you can do with smeg AFAIK === mhz will google for smeg :) [01:54] mhz, its in your menu [01:54] as "applications menu editor" [01:54] mhz, right click the "applications" menu [01:54] under applications -> systemtools [01:55] spacey: ok, then I'll boot into GNOME (I use Wmaker) [01:55] ogra, even more easy :) [01:55] both is fine ;) [01:55] okidoki, thx [01:56] ogra: interesting, sbayon won't run without sudo :) [01:56] yup [01:56] its setting system defaults [01:56] ogra: oh goody, starting is Xnested session now [01:57] yes [01:57] ogra: after it has the sessions running, do I just change the menu layout and descriptions, what do I do afterwareds? [01:57] you can modify the template desktop to your needs ... thats how you create profiles with it [01:57] just save afterwards ... and assign users to the profile [01:58] cool, then all we do is create thoe temples, and then ship them in a package, and have some sort of GUI to assign users to? [01:58] sadly it doesnt work via ssh tunneling, so its not usable on thin clients yet [01:58] ohhhhhhhhh [01:58] bad :-/ [01:59] yup [01:59] Xnests fault [01:59] now you say it??? :D [01:59] lol [01:59] thats why we didnt ship it in breezy ... [01:59] ogra: but it could be a good solution for shipping the master package for each client [01:59] it was on my plan [01:59] s/plan/list [01:59] not that stable ., either. seems stuck now [02:00] JaneW: I created a new page here : http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteCommunityContent === highvoltage [n=Jono@edison.tsf.org.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pips1 has discovered the 'check spelling' feature of moin wiki === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F6D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] Well all, time for me to finish trying to wake up and pretend to go in to work. [02:04] kjcole: could you wiki a page with the special needs and priorities? === juliux [n=juliux@p54B16606.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Verlassend"] [02:05] (I'd looked before at the Accessibility stuff. Didn't see anything deafness-related but will look again. Will put something up in Edubuntu's wiki if I don't find a similar page.) [02:06] got to go.. cu === pips1 [n=chatzill@195.216.81.229] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:06] kjcole, talk to dholbach, he's doing the accessibility stuff together with hno73 [02:06] kjcole: thx [02:06] he will know about the set off apps that are available [02:07] kjcole: and please add info about #of students, some stats [02:07] etc [02:07] it may be useful to prepare some MarketingPaln [02:08] and therefore evangelising === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-144-191.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:11] good morning... [02:11] morning [02:12] What's good about it? ;-) [02:13] I am no longer living in Washington DC. I am now in Montpelier, the capital of the state of Vermont! [02:13] good to hear from you kevin! [02:14] has ollie or jane made appearances? You have a reason to inquire about the goodness of the morning, our associates have been up for hours [02:14] flint: is that betta? [02:15] I look out over mountains through which the mighty Winnoski (the local river) courses... to summarize, indeed, big time! [02:15] flint, seems Janes line just died [02:16] One bad line deserves another, lemme see... [02:16] flint: Hi there, I didn't realize back at UBZ that you were canadia, are you? [02:16] sivang, vermont is US [02:16] not quite in canada, I am about 25 miles from the canadian border. [02:17] ogra: oops, I'm missing few geography lessons :-) [02:17] sivang, the idea here is that i can get to the canadian border (and across it) damn quickly :^) [02:17] yep [02:18] Vermont even here in the capital has an active sucessionist party. [02:18] the motto is "Save a deer shoot a flatlander" [02:18] they feel that Vermont is just as big as texas, if you flatten the state out. [02:19] ollie, are these bad lines? [02:19] actually now while jane is offline might be a good time to continue to laugh about the little phillipino girl on the desktop [02:20] flint, i meant her connection :) [02:20] I really do not give a rats ass myself about the damn graphic, but the edubuntu list had real folks trying to implement [02:21] I know, and I feel dirty :^) is she back to yell at me? [02:21] And on that note, time for me to toddle off to work. Have fun gentlemen... You too, Flint. ;-) [02:21] anyway, the idea that I counted like 4 folks actually trying to implement this product in classrooms reminded me of the responsibility we have [02:22] kevin, thanks for stopping in! enjoy DC. [02:22] bye kjcole [02:22] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyPackages [02:22] I will add much more info pretty soon there [02:23] flint, marks idea was to have a professional company designing the next wllpapers/splashscreens for us ... [02:23] ogra: thx for the effort of teaching how to package them :D [02:23] mhz, id didnt make any effort yet ;) [02:23] s/id/i [02:24] ogra: could we be hired to design them? [02:24] This takes all the pain out of the process.. [02:24] mhz, he wants a company for all three distros as i understood, but i'll ask [02:24] Pablo and Andrea (both designers) will be VERY motivated [02:25] plus I can kick their butts whenever I need to :D [02:25] flint, additionally i sent a mail to the ML that shows how i want to implement it ... you'll be easily able to reconfigure the artwork to another grade [02:25] ... if needed [02:25] hey flint ! [02:25] ogra: I can even ask and sum up Pablo and Andrea resume / portafolio [02:26] inded Don Fabio bon journo! [02:26] mhz, let me talk to mark first... and even to JaneW [02:26] okidoki [02:26] ehe [02:27] the whole graphic thing is only amusing. it is not the code. [02:27] yes, but if people have a point there, we'll have to react === sivang personally think the Edubuntu artwork is really cool. [02:27] (the current one, that is) [02:28] and i think the approach to ship three different choices of artwork is the right way to go ... [02:28] moving on, I think that Mauricio has done a good thing with this wkiki [02:28] (probably even a fourth one for community contributed artwork) [02:28] I rarely see the point of discussing about GUI's but I understand this time we're in need of more people to help us [02:28] sivang, if we were art geeks this would matter, but we are ubuntu geeks... [02:29] flint: who Mauricio? [02:29] mhz, there are not many mauricios in this channel i guess [02:29] :) [02:29] mhz, I thought that your name was at the bottom o the old wiki [02:30] ogra: I thought it was a typo [02:30] sorry :^) [02:30] got to learn to tyep, only course I ever flunked... [02:30] mhz, ever hear of scorm? [02:30] ogra: and this is the 1st time I see 'Mauricio' written in IRC [02:31] this is a tough room... [02:31] scorm, not the nick right? the edu stuff? [02:31] mhz, you are on the mark [02:31] the educational stuff is a way of packaging course material. Is it applicable to this project? === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.33.77] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.33.77] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [02:32] oh the Mark, I get it! most amusing :^) [02:33] flinthehehehe [02:33] flint: I have never tried it [02:34] often I type for my own entertainment [02:34] but it must be tried out [02:34] flint: I have noticed [02:34] mhz, a harsh but justified comment :^) I want to look into this and if the add allows put the results on your wiki [02:35] yup [02:35] flint: I appreciate as much help as possible === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089C957.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:35] esp. because this packaging is one the strong point for Edubuntu Chielan Tour to get some funds :) [02:36] Chilean [02:36] mhz, the real nub to work i believe is how to get a scorm coerced into a deb. [02:37] hehehe [02:37] indeed [02:37] hence I propose to aim at the tools edubuntu comes with [02:37] i.e.: Keduca [02:37] we can create files for it [02:37] KIG, too [02:38] etc. [02:38] we have to identify which applications (default ones, first) can use files we create [02:38] and then test those files as packages [02:39] then we could worry about non default apps [02:39] such scorm [02:39] flint: what do you think? [02:39] mhz, I completely agree [02:39] educool! [02:39] :D [02:39] also, flint [02:39] maybe you could help us with desingning a survey [02:40] we think we need to identify profiles [02:40] mhz, scorm is not an application, it is a standard for packaging course material... [02:40] mhz, check into it. [02:40] of people who is reticent to ICT, people who will actually evangelise for us, etc [02:41] flint: I know. sorry for my spanish thinking when I write english. scorm is standrad [02:41] yes [02:41] we can worry about apps. that follow the standard. is that the way in english? [02:42] mhz, I will delve into keduca when I get my lab re setup here in Vermong. Instead of a survey, how about an SLA? [02:42] SLA? [02:42] flint: ogra: should we move onto #edubuntu? [02:42] mhz, the deal with standards is that there are so many to choose from in this absurd world. [02:42] and leave the channel available [02:43] flint: LOL, indeed [02:43] note that i'd like to replace the kde stuff over time ... [02:43] we make it complex [02:43] i thought that the meeting was supposed to be here today [02:43] (if gnome apps with similar functionallity show up) [02:43] flint: afaik, the meeting started 2 hours ago (almost) [02:44] ollie is this so? I thought the meeting started at 08:00 EST 12:00 UTC [02:44] 12:00 UTC [02:44] ogra@honk:~/dapper-xss/xscreensaver-4.23 $ date -u [02:44] Mi Nov 16 13:44:56 UTC 2005 [02:45] which is please god tell me 08:00 EST [02:45] its 1h 45min ago [02:45] never was too good with schedules. Then this meeting starts at 07:00 EDT? [02:45] $ date -u -d '12:00 UTC' [02:45] Wed Nov 16 12:00:00 UTC 2005 [02:45] $ TZ=EST date -d '12:00 UTC' [02:45] Wed Nov 16 07:00:00 EST 2005 [02:46] hah [02:46] DST victim :) [02:46] god help me! even earlier!!! I will fix my clock for next week. sorry [02:47] mhz, SLA is Service Level Agreement. It is a formal statement of what Edubuntu offers to the Educational Institution. [02:47] oohhh [02:47] ineresting [02:47] very much [02:48] also, i think there's a standard for User Level with ICT [02:48] The idea here is to make it possible for edubuntu to be acceped into the educational environment, and believe me these folks love well written paperwork. [02:48] puagggkkk! [02:48] mhz, exactly === mhz hates paperwork [02:49] flint: 'show me the code' unfortunately is not applied to institutions :( [02:49] anyway I will see you all next week at god help me 07:00 EDT [02:49] flint: so, shall we move on to #edubuntu? [02:49] mhz, I will but I need coffee now. be there in about 30 minutes. === mhz goes back to #edubuntu [02:50] ok, so lets call this meeting closed then... smms JaneW's line didnt come up again [02:50] *seems [02:50] yup === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.45.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:58] meeting over? 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