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StrikeForcehow do I find out what flags are causing dpkg to finish compiling?12:25
StrikeForceI've run the program using ./configure make and make install as per the rules script that gets put in there with dh_make however if I run it through dpackage with the cfflags it dies going through the compiling process?12:26
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thierryat https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseDesktopFileAbsolutePath?action=show it is said "Also be sure to notify upstream/debian of the changes so they can fix the files aswell." How can I notify debian?12:37
plugwashif its to fix a bug i'd think a bugreport in thier bug tracking system would be the obvious way12:38
plugwashotherwise i'd think an e-mail to the maintainer12:38
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thierryplugwash : what is the adress of their bug tracking system?12:44
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alleethierry: use reportbug (pkg has same name)12:53
alleethierry: bugs.debian.org  but you submit and manipulate via e-mail not webinterface12:54
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magnonouch. I just thought of that I don't think I've had a proper dinner since Montreal :(01:01
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dholbachgood night guys :)01:24
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Kyrala lot of lib updates....this Prelink took a long time02:14
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shadeofgreyhi everybody!03:09
shadeofgreyi dont belong here by any stretch ofthe imagination, but...  i just wanted to say thanks for keeping up all the work you have to do that i certainly dont understand that makes my apt-get days bright, happy, and full of joy03:10
Lathiat:)03:10
shadeofgrey...now quit dicking around and get to firefox 1.5 damnit03:10
shadeofgrey=)03:10
shadeofgrey....please03:11
shadeofgrey?03:11
shadeofgreyill bribe you with liqiour and krispy kreme donuts03:11
shadeofgrey...i know you coder kind love junk food03:11
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shadeofgreyill grovel03:12
shadeofgreyi have no shame03:12
tsengplease knock it off03:12
shadeofgreyokay but seriously -when do you think we'll be able to update to 1.5?03:13
shadeofgreythere are major improvements in that version...03:13
tsengwhen its ready03:13
shadeofgreybig time.03:13
tsengit takes hours to just build and test once03:13
shadeofgreycan you give me an estimate?03:13
shadeofgreyhmm..03:13
tsengand there are tons of packages against a huge source tree03:13
shadeofgreywell03:13
tsengs/packages/patches03:13
shadeofgreyis there any way i can help you?03:13
SEJeffshadeofgrey: I can't talk tonight, I'm studying for my test tomorrow03:13
tsengsee the thread on ubuntu-devel mailing list03:13
shadeofgreyokay.03:14
shadeofgreyill leave now03:14
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jianggwIs the  leader of each team  appointed by community council or self-appointed?03:22
tsengdepends on your definition of team03:22
zakamehi all03:22
zakamejianggw, are you the Victor yesterday?03:23
tsengjianggw: members of the ubuntu-development team on launchpad are appointed by CC03:23
tsenger, ubuntu-members03:23
tsengubuntu-dev is by TB03:23
tsengand ubuntu-core-dev03:23
tsengother teams in the Launchpad sense are free to be created by anyone03:24
=== whiprush_ creates Team Tseng
tsengwhiprush_: 313773!03:24
zakamehihi03:24
tsengONEONEONE03:24
zakametseng, is tseng.ath.cx up? :)  I was roaring to read your dpatch howto ;)03:25
jianggwtseng:thanks!You are right.It is me!how do you know it?03:25
tsengjianggw: wrong nick03:25
tsengzakame: no03:25
tsengzakame: it is anticlimactic anyway03:25
zakameah03:26
zakamejianggw, via the logs, and a /whois :)03:26
tsengsigh, evolution03:27
jianggwubuntu-dev and ubuntu-development are different teams?03:27
tsengerm03:27
tsengi take liberties to not fully expand easily comprehensible words03:28
jianggw in the webpage http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/council,it wrote:The Chairman of the Community Council is yet to be determined.Isn't sabdfl the chairman?03:30
jianggwhttp://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3590&d=1132034495 is a structure chart of community drawn by me.Is it correct?03:32
KyralNow this is embarrassing03:34
jianggwKyral:why???03:34
KyralSome guy who I helped IM'd me saying he hopes he can one day help people with Linux like I do03:34
zakameKyral, wow03:35
KyralSome days I wonder why I try so hard and then this happens I have my answer03:36
zakamehmmm, maybe a stupid question, but is backporting a NEW package from dapper to breezy sane? :p03:37
jianggwWould you please help me point out the mistake in the diagram?So I can improve it.03:37
Kyraldepends on the package :D03:37
zakameit's lighttpd, not yet even in revu... I just got an email about it, asking that question...03:40
tsengits in revu03:40
zakameyes but that's not mine, and its broken03:41
zakamebasically just a run of upstream's ./debian03:42
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zakamemotus: can you please check Malone #4089 debdiff if its ok and ready for build-to-upload? thanks :)04:17
Ubugtu`Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found04:17
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DrBairI'm looking to get involved with development, I've created a launchpad account and signed the agreement and everything, I'm just not sure where exactly to go from here.05:14
bmonty_laptopDrBair: you can work on merges or bug fixing05:14
DrBairis that something I need to become a member for first?05:18
crimsunnope. You can work and attach debdiffs to the malone bugs05:20
bmonty_laptopnot really, you can work on packages and ask someone to sponsor their upload for you, that is what I do05:20
bmonty_laptopcrimsun is helpful in doing that :)05:20
bmonty_laptopDrBair: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge05:21
DrBairsounds good, I'll be sure to rip into that tomorrow05:22
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bmonty_laptoptwo more packages and all of the packages that start with b are merged (minus bzr, I'm not touching that)05:51
crimsunbmonty_laptop: great! I'll look in a bit.06:18
bmonty_laptopcrimsun: they are all syncs06:18
crimsunbmonty_laptop: k06:18
bmonty_laptopI want to get merges under 500 packages tonight :)06:22
bmonty_laptopcrimsun: malone #4509 has a debdiff for upload06:34
Ubugtu`Malone bug #4509: burn: merge new debian version Fix req. for: burn (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/450906:34
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zakamehi Burgundavia08:41
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hungerGood morning.08:48
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zakamehi hunger , wtg!08:49
Burgundaviasalut zakame08:49
hungerzakame: wtg?08:51
hungerBurgundavia: hiho.08:51
zakamehunger: way to go :)08:52
Burgundaviahey hunger08:52
hungerzakame: Oh, yes... but only adapting a couple of scripts is left to do I think(/hope).08:52
zakamehunger: cool!08:52
hungerDamn SuSE specific stuff:-)08:53
polpakhow long does it normally take to get a backport request filled? (just curious)08:54
siretartmorning08:57
hungersiretart: morning.08:57
siretarthuhu tobias!08:58
zakamehi siretart ! :)08:58
Burgundaviapolpak, a variable amount of time. When did you file the request and what was it for/09:00
polpakBurgundavia, I filed it yesterday.. It was for ogre, a truely sweet 3d rendering engine09:00
polpakI'm wanting to do some game development with it09:00
Burgundaviapolpak, likely at least a few days09:01
Burgundaviapolpak, if not longer09:01
polpakBurgundavia, ok. I figured as much09:01
polpakBurgundavia, thx09:01
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zakamehi Seveas , slomo !09:09
slomohi zakame09:10
slomozakame: you can sync gpsd... i was a bit confused ;)09:10
slomothe dbus changes are upstream iirc09:10
zakameslomo: I did some small changes though :) anyway, it built fine, and gtkpbbuttons too :)09:11
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SloMoSnailzakame: did you read what i've said about gpsd?09:14
zakameSloMoSnail: yep09:14
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SloMoSnailzakame: or the dbus patch isn't upstream? hmm, please test09:17
zakameSloMoSnail: checking it again, it seems the dbus isn't in upstream09:18
SloMoSnailzakame: yes... hmm, then it was another package... please don't sync but merge then ;)09:18
zakameSloMoSnail: ok, it already is currently as `to be merged', PendingUpload ;)09:19
SloMoSnailzakame: oh, you have a merged diff? url please and i send it up :)09:19
zakameSloMoSnail: http://librarian.launchpad.net/1183186/gpsd_2.28-2ubuntu1.debdiff09:20
SloMoSnailzakame: ah, gtkpbbuttons... is the common package still all? or powerpc?09:21
zakameSloMoSnail: powerpc it seems... can't build in x8609:21
SloMoSnailzakame: really? then it's safe to sync from debian09:21
zakameSloMoSnail: yup :)09:21
SloMoSnailzakame: i ask because i changed it before for us... same for the dbus stuff in gpsd ;)09:21
SloMoSnailagainst what version is your debdiff?09:22
zakameSloMoSnail: yeah, I've seen it in the changelog09:22
SloMoSnailok, i'll upload it later... bbl09:25
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Victorjiang what is the difference between ubuntu,kubuntu and edubuntu?09:27
zakamewb Victorjiang09:28
zakameVictorjiang: is this for a school project? :)09:31
siretartVictorjiang: they are derivatives, but share the same repositories. the only in the installer09:32
chip1any luck with ubuntu-lite?09:33
Victorjiangthanks09:34
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Victorjiangsiretart:installer?Do you mean the only difference is that kubuntu with kde and ubuntu with gnome?09:36
siretartVictorjiang: basically, yes09:36
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zakamewb dholbach09:43
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dholbachgood morning09:45
zakamedang ion3 has such a heavyweight build-deps09:46
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viviersfajmitch, soz for OT question, but do you know what michael machs nick is ?09:47
dholbachhi Tonio_, zakame09:48
viviersfdholbach, do you know by any chance ?09:51
hungerIs there a policy on when to use which log_*_msg?09:51
dholbachmichal mach?, no sorry09:51
viviersf:/09:51
viviersfthx nways09:51
viviersfdholbach, he was the polish dude at ubz09:52
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dholbachviviersf: i know, i met him :)09:54
dholbachbut i don't know his nick, sorry :(09:54
hungerCan I split Depends: over multiple lines?09:56
zakamehunger: lintian will warn you about it09:56
hungerzakame: OK, then I'll not do that.09:57
hungerzakame: Thanks.09:57
zakamehunger: no problem :-)09:57
viviersfarg i hate it when you find a new app09:58
viviersftry to compile it09:58
viviersfand the configure script is totally wasted09:58
zakamehihi09:59
zakamehave you tried upgrading the autotools?10:00
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viviersfnah zakame10:02
viviersfthis package just make a small configure script10:02
viviersfits just it doesnt work10:02
viviersfthen also10:02
viviersfthey release source with invalid code10:02
viviersfthere aint a file like "qlist.h"10:03
viviersfits qlistbox.h10:03
viviersf:/10:03
zakamehmm, seems that the ./configure or Makefile is very old10:03
viviersfhow can the ./configure make problems with physical code in other files10:04
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viviersfwghahaha10:07
viviersfi tell the dude next to me to apt-get apache10:07
viviersfso he picks up the bloody phone10:07
viviersf:/10:07
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StrikeForcewhere do I lodge bug reports for dapper?10:24
StrikeForceanyone?10:25
siretartStrikeForce: probably malone10:25
StrikeForcesiretart, is coreutils part of main?10:26
siretartsure10:26
siretart-> bugzilla :)10:26
StrikeForcesweet no worries?10:26
siretartI worry that bugzilla may be incredibly slow10:26
StrikeForcesiretart, off topic but I registered in bugzilla and added my gpg key and signed the agreement?10:27
StrikeForcewhat else do I need to do to become a member?10:27
siretartStrikeForce: what is your lp id?10:27
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StrikeForceMarcWiriadisastra10:27
StrikeForceI'd like to become and MOTU10:28
siretartStrikeForce: you need to register with launchpad10:28
StrikeForceI have10:28
StrikeForcesorry strikeforce10:28
StrikeForceI signed it yesterday10:28
StrikeForcehttps://launchpad.net/people/strikeforce10:29
siretartokay. then apply for the https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers team10:29
siretartand try to attend the next CommunityCouncil10:29
StrikeForcethanks :)10:29
siretartwe were thinking about changing this procedure a bit, but AFAIK we did not decide yet, so I'm telling you the procedures that I think that are valid :)10:30
sivangMOrning all10:31
StrikeForcesiretart, I've just clicked on join the team10:31
StrikeForcesiretart, are the meetings weekly?10:33
siretartI think biweekly10:33
raphinksiretart: did you have a look at my key ? I've got several packages to upload ...10:34
StrikeForcesweet ok now what time is UTC to GMT?10:34
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siretartraphink: done :)10:36
raphinkargh10:38
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siretartMono 1.1.10 released! :)10:40
StrikeForcesiretart, do we have to wait for mono to be packaged for debian?10:41
StrikeForceor do we package it ourselves for ubuntu?10:42
siretartStrikeForce: ask tseng10:42
StrikeForceoh ok10:42
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Nafallosomeone c++-sawy might want to take a look at the tse3-merge :-)10:56
raphinkwhen running debuild on a package, I get errors from tar -xkf :11:02
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/acinclude.m4.in: Cannot open: File exists11:02
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/Doxyfile.am: Cannot open: File exists11:02
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/libtool.m4.in: Cannot open: File exists11:02
raphinkand debuild exists with an status 211:02
siretartraphink: did you try in pbuilder?11:03
raphinkI need to build the source package first11:03
raphinkI have no dsc yet11:03
raphinkit used to build fine11:03
siretartoh11:03
siretartstrange11:03
raphinkbut I just switched by rules to cdbs11:03
raphinkit worked fine with a classic rules11:03
siretartcdbs is sometime quite unobvious11:03
raphink:s11:04
raphinkyep11:04
=== siretart didn't advocate cdbs ;)
raphinkI just included debhelper.mk11:04
raphinkhehe ;)11:04
siretartI'm using it for my 2 debian packages, though..11:05
raphinkoh maybe I need autotools too11:06
raphinkI'll see11:07
raphinkhmm no :(11:07
raphinkis there anything special to add when a package is using automake ?11:10
raphinkapart from adding automake to the build deps11:10
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pefhello12:50
siretarthi pef12:51
pefhello siretart  :)12:51
pefHow breezy-updates works ? is it only for security fixes ?12:55
tsengmajor bugfixes12:56
tsengthey have to be obvious fixes, no large complicated patch12:56
peftseng: ok, and who should I contact ?12:58
tsengmdz12:59
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juliuxhi01:23
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raphinkI'm having a pb with tar in the creation of the source target01:45
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raphinkbecause it uses the -k option which crashes01:45
raphinkdpkg-source: failure: tar -xkf - gave error exit status 201:45
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/acinclude.m4.in: Cannot open: File exists01:45
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/Doxyfile.am: Cannot open: File exists01:45
raphinktar: kyamo/admin/libtool.m4.in: Cannot open: File exists01:45
raphinktar: Read 2048 bytes from -01:45
raphinktar: Error exit delayed from previous errors01:45
raphinkdebuild: fatal error at line 765:01:46
raphinkdpkg-buildpackage failed!01:46
raphinkany way I could set that?01:46
janimoREVU needed and appreciated for thunar file manager, thanks01:46
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lucassiretart: have you started working on a package ?02:07
lucasif not, I'd like to work on this02:08
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pmjdebruijnlo all02:10
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xerxasis there any plan for transition to initng for dapper ?02:14
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dholbachxerxas: discussion was on ubuntu-devel@02:14
dholbachseveral times02:14
dholbachinitng is considered to be immature02:15
dholbachand since dapper will be supported for 5 years on the server, i'd say no02:15
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Amaranthdapper+1 will probably be the first to see a new init system02:15
lucasI remember reading sthing about a server for MOTUs02:16
lucaswhere they have an account and can run scripts02:16
lucasah that's revu.tauware.de02:17
siretartlucas: on what package?02:20
lucasmotu-tools02:20
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siretartlucas: not yet, I'm still polishing some tools there02:20
lucasI mean packaging + daily builds02:20
zakamehello again :D02:20
xerxasdholbach: initng is considered immature because it's to young ?02:21
siretartlucas: commit the package, let me merge your branch, and then lets think how to make daily builds02:21
siretartcommit your packaging, that is02:21
dholbachxerxas: i have never investigated it, but i heard quite a lot of people referring to it as a hack *shrug* i suggest you read the thread on ubuntu-devel@ - should be in the bootchart thread as well02:22
pmjdebruijnxerxas, init is a major piece of your environment, even the slightest doubt should prevent it from being included into dapper02:22
zakameNafallo: my thanks again :)02:23
xerxasif noone includes it, it won't never be mature02:23
Nafallo:-)02:23
xerxasbut maybe it's not ubuntu's job02:23
zakamexerxas: what's up with init-ng?02:23
Nafalloxerxas: it's not ubuntus job in the release they will support for 5 years, no.02:24
Nafallo1.5 is bad enough.02:24
xerxasthat's a a good point :)02:24
raphinkanyone has got an idea about why my package will build using the -k option in tar when using cdbs and not when using a classic rules ?02:25
lucassiretart: I haven't worked on packaging yet02:31
siretartlucas: I'd suggest using simple debhelper magic02:32
lucasI'll work on this tonight02:32
lucaswhat's required to get an account on revu.tauware.de ?02:33
lucasis it a public system ?02:33
lucas(or is there a public system for MOTUs ?)02:33
Amaranthi think it uses your signed key02:34
siretartlucas: we agreed that every motu can apply for an account on tiber02:34
lucasok02:35
lucasand how do one become a motu ? :)02:35
zakamewow, a motu-tools package!02:35
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Amaranthlucas: become an ubuntu member, start getting some packages sponsored for upload, get your key signed by someone that gets you to ogra's key02:36
Amaranthso those in any order :P02:36
Amarantherr, do02:36
xerxaslucas: start by helping, packaging, fixing bugs ( and genrate a gpg key)02:36
ogra_(and get is signed ) ;)02:36
ogra_s/is/it02:37
raphinkwhat is ogra's key Amaranth ?02:37
raphinkI mean what's the reference of it?02:37
Amaranthask him02:37
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ogra_http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics02:37
ogra_try that url02:37
raphinkor rather ogra what 'syour key?02:37
lucaswell my key has been in the strongly connected set for 4 or 5 years I think ;)02:37
raphinkok02:37
raphinkthanks02:37
ogra_if you get *any* kind of connection between your and my key, you should be fine02:37
Amaranthlucas: can you get a path from yours to ogra's?02:37
lucasAmaranth: *strongly connected set* ;)02:38
siretartlucas: what is your lp id?02:38
raphinkogra_: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=A2D06936&TO=74BF771E&PATHS=trust+paths02:38
raphinkis that fine for you ? :D02:38
ogra_Amaranth, if he'S in the strong set :)02:38
lucassiretart: LNussbaum02:38
lucashttp://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=A2D06936&TO=023B3F4F&PATHS=trust+paths02:38
ogra_raphink, looks good :)02:38
raphink:)02:38
siretartlucas: no, your launchpad id, that has to bee all lowercase02:38
xerxascan anybody point me to things to do ?02:38
xerxas(I didn't find bug I want to investigate on)02:39
Nafalloxerxas: /topic02:39
xerxasbugs02:39
ogra_xerxas, there is a MotuToMerge page ...02:39
ogra_start with this one02:39
siretartlucas: never mind, found it02:39
lucasah02:39
zakameogra_: how about my key, is it okay? :) http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=FA53851D&STATS=statistics02:40
ogra_zakame, absolutely02:41
xerxasogra_: do you understand this page ?02:43
zakameogra_: wow, thanks :)02:43
xerxasthis means for example that aatv is to be repackaged ?02:43
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xerxasin http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/LOGS/mom.20051107.log aatv seems to have a 404 error02:43
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sistpotyhi folks02:44
zakamexerxas: yes, some of the pkgs there have that02:44
xerxaszakame: these are packages that I can package ?02:45
zakamehi sistpoty , how do you do? :)02:45
sistpotyhi zakame, I'm fine, thx ;)02:46
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zakamexerxas: no, they're already packaged ;)  but (motus, please correct my if i'm wrogn ;) if such a pkg needs any change, work on that and tell the motus about it, preferably in debdiff form :)02:47
xerxaszakame: so I don't understand the purpose of this file02:48
xerxasI can tell a motu or report a bug for any package02:48
xerxasnot the ones that have 404 errors02:48
ogra_http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new02:49
ogra_that might be a better ressource02:49
zakamexerxas: the mom log is raw, ogra_ 's pointer is the better resource :)02:49
zakamexerxas: though if you are actually doing a merge, the raw log will be useful as it tells you where to get source pkgs for both debian and merged02:50
xerxashumm02:50
xerxasstill don't understand where there's work to do02:51
xerxascan I try to repackage mono 1.1.10 ?02:51
xerxasand then beagke 0.12 ?02:51
pmjdebruijnxerxas, has already been released?02:51
xerxasyes02:52
xerxasyesterday or so02:52
ogra_xerxas, you should talk to the mono team for mono stuff (tseng and slomo for example)02:52
ogra_mono is far more than just repackaging ... you have to know in which order the packages need to be built ...02:53
raphinkwhat does merging exctly consist in?02:53
pmjdebruijnxerxas, cool02:53
ogra_(if i understood right you dont have to boostrap the compiler aanymore, but it still needs decent knowledge about the packages)02:53
dholbachraphink: making sure that no changes either on debian/ubuntu side are dropped02:54
raphinkhmmm02:54
ogra_raphink, merging means we did a change to a package in breezy...02:54
pmjdebruijnxerxas, on the subject of mono02:54
ogra_now debian has a new version with or without adopting these changes02:54
pmjdebruijnxerxas, could you take a look at this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/453102:54
Ubugtu`Malone bug #4531: Newer MonoDevelop doesn't work properly Fix req. for: mono (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Mono Team, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/453102:54
xerxasogra_: ok mono will probably be too hard for me02:54
raphinkhmm ok02:54
xerxasthat is what I was thinking02:55
xerxasogra_ for exemple gnome-gpg is to be repackaged for dapper ?02:55
ogra_we have to decide is the changes are still needed and reapply them if this is the case ... else we'll drop them and just sync the debian package02:55
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ogra_thats the core of so called merging :)02:55
xerxaspmjdebruijn: looking at the link02:56
xerxasogra_ so for exemple for gnome-gpg I need to look at the patches and try to know if I can remove some parts of it ?02:56
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zakamewb highvoltage02:57
ogra_xerxas, exactly02:57
highvoltagezakame: thanks. connected through cell phone. internet connection very dodgy02:58
zakamehighvoltage: wow, I haven't tried that before :)02:59
highvoltagemy phone has a usb cable, all i need to do is plug it into laptop, and dial *99# :)02:59
pmjdebruijnxerxas, it's basically a small bugfix which will allow MonoDevelop 0.8 to run on Breezy without doing a major mono update03:00
zakamehighvoltage: hmmm, I should try that sometime... when I get a cellphone ;)03:02
highvoltage:)03:04
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\shogra: ping is it snowing at your place`03:24
\sh?03:24
ogranope03:24
ograonly raining03:24
azeemwhoops, it's indeed raining here as well03:24
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Nafalloneither here :_)03:24
Nafallo:-)03:24
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sistpotyhey \sh, can you upload a package to universe for me?03:27
\shsistpoty: sure i can....03:29
sistpotycool... it's on tiber at /home/sistpoty/public_html/uploads (ghc6)03:29
\shuahhhh03:29
sistpotyI hope that elmo will add me to the keyring soon *g*03:29
ograsistpoty, since when are you approved as motu ? i think its about time he gets it done03:30
sistpotyogra: quite some time... but I only mailed him last friday, since I didn't have anything to upload before that day03:31
\shwell...it takes time now...only 29kB03:31
ograsistpoty, fine then :)03:31
sistpoty' \sh: can't you directly ul from tiber?03:31
hunger\sh: Fixed the python stuff according to your suggestions from yesterday.03:31
hunger\sh: Thanks again for your help.03:31
\shsistpoty: no03:32
sistpotysh: ah, k03:32
sistpoty+ \03:32
sistpoty;)03:32
\shsistpoty: source upload?03:32
\shhunger: is it working?03:32
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sistpoty' \sh: I'll check, but imo yes03:33
sistpoty' \sh: yes, new upstream version03:33
hunger\sh: I do hope so:-)03:34
\shsistpoty: k03:34
sistpotythx, \sh03:34
hunger\sh: Not really got around to test it yet (only just booted up the test machine).03:34
\shhunger: i mean is lintian complaining again, or is it just still :)03:34
\shs/still/silent/03:34
hunger\sh: Lintian is quiet.03:35
hunger\sh: I made python-xen arch any the last time round.03:35
hunger\sh: s/any/all/03:35
hunger\sh: It is any now, lintian has no more problem.03:35
hungerIs there a simple way to check which other debs a deb depends on?03:37
\shapt-cache depends <package>?03:39
\shsistpoty: u should get now a katie mail03:39
sistpotycool, thx \sh03:39
hunger\sh: I do not have a apt repository for my stuff.03:39
slomo_xerxas: no need to do beagle 1.1.2 and mono 1.1.10... 1.1.10 is almost ready and i bet tseng will care for beagle ;) but you can ask him if you could take some work from him03:40
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hungerHmmm... any idea why my Depends: lines get ignored?03:41
hungerStupid me... because I have typos in them.03:42
ogra<hunger> \sh: I made python-xen arch any the last time round.03:46
ogra<hunger> \sh: s/any/all/03:46
ogra<hunger> \sh: It is any now, lintian has no more problem.03:46
ogradoes it nee to be "any" ?03:47
ograi mean its only python bindings, right ?03:47
slomo_xerxas: but if you're interested in mono stuff consider joining #ubuntu-mono :)03:47
slomo_sistpoty: yay, ghc6 merged :)03:48
sistpotyslomo_: :)... but this will lead to at least one FTBFS (hmake)... but I've already got a patch :)03:48
slomo_sistpoty: then fix it ;)03:48
slomo_sistpoty: i'll get my hands on cabal later :) after doing some too simple analysis exercises ;)03:49
sistpotyslomo_: kk :)... hf with math. with hmake, I'll wait for ghc6 being built. If we're lucky, we might have a newer debian version then as well03:50
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slomo_sistpoty: so we can just sync? perfect :) you work with the debian guys on that?03:51
siretartsistpoty: I was just uploading it to ubuntu, but I've seen ubuntu-changes earlier03:52
slomo_siretart: ?03:52
xerxasslomo_ ok03:52
xerxasthanks03:52
siretartI mean ghc603:52
sistpotyslomo_: i filed a patch in BTS... ;)03:53
hunger\sh: It does work! OK, I actually exchanged "Depends:" with "Conflicts:" which did wreak some havok with my installed stuff, but that's a minor glitch;-)03:55
raphink I'm trying to understand how to log in on REVU03:55
raphinkI uploaded some packages03:55
hungerraphink: Go to the page.03:55
raphinkI clicked on recover03:55
raphinkand it's giving me an encrypted message03:56
hungerraphink: Enter your email and click on the "recover" link03:56
raphinkI decoded this message03:56
raphinkhunger: that's what I did03:56
hungerraphink: Decrypt the message: Voila your passwd.03:56
raphinknope hunger03:56
raphinknot voil my passwd03:56
raphinkthat's the pb03:56
raphinkthe passwd it gives me doesn't work03:57
hungerraphink: What is in the file? Just a short rundom bunch of letters/numbers?03:57
raphinknope hunger03:57
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sistpotyhunger: what's the email-addy you use for revu (the one you signed packages you uploaded to revu)?03:59
raphinkhunger: PM03:59
sistpotyerm... raphink even ;)04:00
raphinksistpoty: I use raphink@raphink.net to sign my packages04:00
raphinkbut I sent my request to join the keyring from raphink@gmail.com04:00
raphinkthe key contains both adds04:00
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hungersistpoty: The one I give in debian/changelog.04:04
hungerraphink: PM?04:04
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raphinknm hunger04:04
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sistpotyhunger: I meant raphink, sorry04:06
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Riddellsiretart: could REVU handle UniverseCandidates?04:17
siretartRiddell: what do you exactly mean with that?04:18
ograRiddell, didnt we talk about RT for UniverseCandidates ?04:18
Riddellogra: RT?04:18
siretartogra: RT?04:18
Riddellsiretart: just that it's a large database which might be nicer in a database rather than a big wiki page04:19
ograrequest tracker04:19
ograa oss ticket system ...04:19
siretartogra: canonical rt or an extra rt for universe?04:19
ograwe talked about it in serveral motu meetings04:19
siretartogra: do you have experience with installing and maintaining a rt setup?04:20
ograsiretart, since the traffic wont be much i thought we could have it on tiber ?04:20
ogranope, but its easy, i sadly havent got the time for much universe work ...04:20
siretartwell, I had a look at that a few years ago04:21
siretartif someone feels like seting one up on tiber, I don't mind04:21
siretartRiddell: now I understand. I think that should make much trouble in revu2, but I'm still at fiddling with the ground work for revu204:22
siretartRiddell: I'm not going to invest much time and energy in the old revu1 codebase04:22
Riddellno, it would be for revu 204:22
siretartfor revu2, that is a good suggestions. thanks04:23
Riddellrevu 2 should have tags for different teams, so I can see only Kubuntu related packages04:23
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siretarthm04:23
siretarttagging.. hmmhmm04:24
siretarthow should that work? maintaining an override database?04:24
siretartor let the users tag their packages?04:24
ograand how do you manage overlaps ?04:24
ograi.e. kdeedu is edubuntu as well as kubuntu04:25
siretartnot at all? ;)04:25
siretarthonestly, I did not plan to have 'tags' on uploads. but the new ui will make the process more clear and efficent anyway, so I don't think there would be a need for that04:26
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Riddellsiretart: just tag through the web interface, multiple tags can be selected for kubuntu and edubuntu etc04:29
sistpotyRiddell, siretart: tagging is not an initial plan... and actually I don't want to overload revu2 with features at this moment...04:31
siretartsistpoty: right04:31
sistpotyRiddell: once revu2 is actually working, we can still (and much easier than with revu1's codebase) add such things04:31
Riddellaye04:31
siretartit shouldn't be that hard to extend the database to hold those tags04:31
sistpotyI don't think so ;)04:32
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[splinux] hi all04:33
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siretarthi jdong_04:35
jdong_hey04:35
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jdong_Any timeline for FreeNX/Universe?04:39
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ograjdong_, dunno if Mithrandir still cares for it ...04:40
jdong_I was told that a FreeNX god joined MOTU at UBZ....04:40
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jdong_this morning on ubuntu-backports04:40
ograyes ...04:41
jdong_so is he gonna accelerate the process of FreeNX in MOTU?04:41
ograi would rather call him a  NX Contributor, dunno about his god status :)04:41
jdong_lol, whatever :)04:41
jdong_more godly than me04:41
jdong_(though that isn't hard to do)04:41
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geekitushi all04:45
zakamehmm, setting --build= and --host= to i486-pc-linux-gnu is bogging down my i686 machine :/04:45
jdong_really?04:46
zakameyes, building libcommoncpp2 here is taking ages with that... just modified debian/rules to build without setting those opts, now builds FAST04:46
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siretartlucas: progress on packaging?04:58
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lucasno, still in the lab05:03
lucasI'll work on this tonight05:03
lucas[17:03:19]  here05:03
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siretartoh. okay05:07
siretartsame for me05:08
siretartgermany and france share the same timezone ;)05:08
zakamecan somebody please check Malone #4093 , libcommoncpp2 merge? thanks in advance :)05:11
Ubugtu`Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found05:11
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Nafallozakame: yes05:16
Nafallozakame: could you please merge the changelog aswell?05:16
zakameNafallo: hmm, seems I need to edit the changelog a bit, there was some duplication05:18
Nafallozakame: rather you didn't put in the ubuntu changes in the right order :-)05:18
Nafallozakame: baah, I can do it btw.05:19
zakameNafallo: yes, but actually it's already there in the earlier merge, prolly in debian.patch05:19
Nafalloone of them yes.05:21
Nafalloanyway, I fixed the changelog :-)05:22
Nafallogiving it to pbuilder to chew on now :-)05:22
zakameyeah, the one from 1.3.10-3ubuntu1 :)  my thanks again :D05:22
zakamehihi, pbuilder love05:23
Nafallohmm, the build-logs haven't been updated for awhile :-/05:24
zakamewaah05:24
Nafalloand I haven't got mail to dapper-changes about my syncs05:25
zakamehmmm05:26
Nafallouploading anyway05:26
zakameso I suppose I no longer need to upload the updated debdiff? :)05:28
Nafalloindeed05:28
zakamehehe :) again, many thanks05:30
zakamegood night all :D05:32
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siretartlucas: \sh_away: I worked more on my motu-tools branch. please merge from my place05:47
lucasyou place ?05:48
lucasyour place ?05:48
siretarthttp://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools05:48
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siretartogra_: do you have a minute?05:52
ogra_sure05:52
siretartogra_: could you please upload this for me: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/main/05:52
siretartogra_: mdz is okay with that change, and I'm not in the main keyring yet05:52
ogra_if the changelog is right, i'm fine with uploading05:53
siretartthanks05:53
siretartcu later05:54
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xerxashow do I switch to dapper ? sed 's/breezy/dapper/g' on sources.list ?06:11
slomoyes06:11
xerxascan I install breeezy from a running system ?06:11
xerxaslet say with debootstrap ?06:11
slomoyes but it's probably not that easy ;)06:12
xerxaswhy so  ?06:12
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Amaranthyou have to do it in a chroot06:15
xerxasAmaranth, chroot where 06:17
xerxas?06:17
Amaranthhttp://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html06:17
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xerxassudo debootstrap --arch i386 dapper /media/hda2/ http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu dapper06:51
xerxasnot tested but supposed to do the whole thing06:51
xerxasthen I'll run base-config at that will do the job probably06:52
azeem--variant=buildd should be enough06:52
xerxas(maybe vi /etc/fstab)06:52
azeemfor usage with sbuild or pbuilder, I guess06:52
Nafalloremove the last dapper probably06:52
xerxasNafallo, you're probablt right06:53
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lfittlShort packaging question: should I rename the source package if there is already a source package with the same name? (binary names are different..)07:03
ogranope, you should use this source package instead of doubling the amount of sources in the archive ;)07:03
azeemlfittl: is it a different program with the same name?07:05
lfittlazeem: yep ;)07:05
lfittllibloki & loki07:05
azeemwell, I believe you cannot have another source package with the same name as an existing one07:05
lfittlk, thanks07:06
ograis this the biology thing ?07:06
azeemwas bddebian at UBZ?07:07
ogranope07:07
ogranot to my knowledge07:07
azeemhrm, did he drop off the net?07:07
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ograseems like... havent seen him since before ubz07:07
lfittlogra: yep, but the package I am working on is libloki, because the version in universe is really outdated..07:08
ograso rather get it updated then ;)07:08
ograis there a newer one in debian we could sync by chance ?07:09
lfittlno :/07:09
ograto bad07:09
ograthen just work on it as a replacement, try to base it on the existing package07:10
lfittlthat's what i'm doing, the only thing I was not sure about was the source package name ;)07:11
ograkeep it so it gets superseded07:11
ogra...by a new version07:11
lfittlogra: do you have time to review the package on revu?07:14
ogranot right now, sorry07:15
lfittlk, no problem ;)07:16
Nafallohmm07:17
=== Nafallo hopes the mom-merged version of tightvnc is the right decision.
Nafalloogra: care to make an extra check on that decision? :-/07:18
ograhow much changes are there to the debian version ?07:19
ogradid you try the debian one ?07:19
Nafalloyea, but the change are one of daniels. to include the correct dir to the x-fonts.07:20
NafalloI have no idea how to test that or what the symptoms are really.07:20
Nafalloubuntu #1648107:21
NafalloUbugtu`: bugzilla #1648107:22
Ubugtu`Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu Bugzilla bugzilla: Connection to Ubuntu Bugzilla bugzilla failed: Connection timed out.07:22
Ubugtu`Show a link to a bug report with a brief description07:22
Nafallooh. seems easy enough to test.07:24
Nafallonm me ;-)07:24
slomohm, rosetta is evil :( it doesn't include copyright, author, etc of new .po files...07:28
jamessan|workwhat type of bot is Ubugtu`?07:31
Nafallojamessan: a non-working one :-)07:32
jamessan|workNafallo: heh, but is it a custom one or is it based off one of the well-known bots?07:32
Nafalloah, ask Seveas.07:32
jamessan|worka /whois didn't give much info07:32
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sistpotygrml... ghc6 rejected to build :(07:46
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Tonio_hi08:14
jamessan|workSeveas: I'm told you're the one I should talk to about what type of bot Ubugtu` is  :)08:14
Tonio_little question08:14
SeveasUbugtu`, is a supybot08:14
jamessan|worksweet :)08:14
Tonio_are there any reasons that there is no freenx package at the moment ?08:15
Seveasthey're not good enough for Xorg 7 yet08:15
jamessan|workSeveas: is that the original bugzilla plugin it's using or did you write your own?08:16
SeveasI have working packages in my personal repository, but these contain workarounds to make them work with xorg 708:16
Seveasjamessan, a heavily hacked up bugzilla plugin that now supports malone too and is in desperate need of a rewrite (ehich is halfway done)08:16
Tonio_Seveas: it is still optimised for xfree ?08:16
SeveasTonio_, it is designed to work with the non-modular X08:17
Tonio_Seveas: okay08:17
Tonio_Seveas: thanks for the explanation08:17
jamessan|workSeveas: cool.  when you finish the rewrite, I could include it with the supybot-plugins tarball we distribute.  the old plugin never made the 0.83 transition08:19
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Gloubiboulgahello08:20
Seveasjamessan, are you the supybot maintainer?08:22
Seveasjamessan|work*08:22
jamessan|workI'm the upstream, yes.  Been rather inactive lately, unfortunately.  just small bug-fixes08:24
Seveask, good to know :)08:25
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Nafallohmm09:00
Nafallothe mailing-lists will be delivered later or something?09:01
hungerjoin #ubuntu-devel09:03
[splinux] hi all , how can i do for upload my package ?09:13
dholbach[splinux] : what are you trying to do?09:14
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hunger_Sorry, lost my connection.09:33
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azeemRiddell: The award was called10:00
azeemargs10:00
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azeem'best Debian Derivate', so it's no wonder Debian didn't get a mention10:00
Riddellthe award did seem kinday custom made for Ubuntu10:01
hunger_Mest Debian Derivate sounds a lot like "We want to give a award to ubuntu... what could we call the category?10:01
azeemyeah, it is strange they only had 'Best Enterprise Distribution' as alternative10:01
hunger_azeem:  ... where SuSE won!10:02
NafalloPRE-dapper ;-)10:03
azeemRiddell: Debian won the 'Best distribution' awawrd in 2002 and 2003, Skolelinux/debian-edu won last year10:03
azeemand IIRC most of the other places have been seized by Debian derivates in the last years as well10:04
azeemso I guess they just decided to rename the category, reflecting reality10:04
hunger_Pazzo: Konqueror does waste so much memory or so it seems.10:06
hunger_Pazzo: Haven't restarted it in weeks:-)10:07
hubhi10:08
hubI get more and more request for my hugin package still waiting on REVU10:08
dholbachhub: isn't it just a license issue now?10:11
dholbach"just"10:11
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hubdholbach: I clarified it10:13
hubdholbach: that's what I was asked10:13
dholbachhub: gave my ok10:16
hubthx10:16
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lfittldholbach: Do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=938?10:24
LaserJockdoes anybody know the difference between vim-gnome and vim-gtk?10:25
dholbachlfittl: i was just about to leave - i'll add it to my list10:26
lfittldholbach: ok thanks10:26
dholbachlfittl: i'll do it tomorrow10:26
lfittldholbach: perfect :)10:26
dholbachsuper10:26
dholbachsee you around10:26
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bmonty_laptopsiretart: can you please nuke gphpedit from REVU?11:16
bmonty_laptopbzflag also11:16
lfittldholbach: perfect :)11:17
lfittlargh11:17
lfittlsry11:17
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sistpotybmonty_laptop: do you want gphpedit/bzflag nuked? then they're gone forever from the revu db11:20
bmonty_laptopsistpoty: yeah, there isn't much point in having them there because they will be synched (bzflag is already done)11:21
sistpotybmonty_laptop: ok, will do11:21
bmonty_laptopthanks11:21
siretartoh, I already did11:22
siretarthi sistpoty, huhu bmonty_laptop :)11:22
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siretartjust returned home11:22
sistpotyhi siretart11:22
siretartand figured out how to do a basic config with whereami. cool crack, btw ;)11:22
sistpotysiretart: maybe you didn't nuke all uploads of bzflag/gpphpedit... i just nuked them as well ;)11:22
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siretartsistpoty: ooh, I remember, the nuke link just nukes that upid11:23
sistpotyyep11:23
bmonty_laptopwhere is the nuke link?11:23
siretartsistpoty: perhaps we should hack something so that it nukes all corresponding uploads recusivly11:23
sistpotybmonty_laptop: you need to be admin for revu to do this11:23
siretartbmonty_laptop: sorry, admins only11:24
bmonty_laptopahhh11:24
sistpotysiretart: maybe we should... at least for revu2 ;)11:24
siretartsistpoty: yepp.11:24
Nafalloadmins + uploader would be better IMO :-)11:24
sistpotysure thing, Nafallo ;)11:24
sistpotyjust a very stupid shell-scripting question: how can i do a tail +<n> properly? (i.e. skip the first <n> lines and output the rest)11:25
sistpoty(ghc6 ftbfs from this, because newest dapper tail doesn't support tail +n any longer :(11:26
siretartthats strange. why doesnt dapper tail +n dropped support for that?11:29
azeemsistpoty: that got reverted in Debian since11:29
azeem* [99]  Revert change to POSIX version override (I forgot about +n usage)11:29
azeem     I once again *strongly* urge people to convert to more portable syntax.11:29
azeem     (search NEWS for POSIX 1003.1-2001)11:29
azeem     (Closes: #339085)11:29
siretartyou could work around with awk, but thats a bit ugly..11:29
azeem(I think)11:29
minghuasistpoty: I have a question about your MoM pages11:30
minghuasistpoty: I've decided to take grace and grace611:30
minghuasistpoty: I filed malone bug, assigned to MOTU merge team, but it still shown as "new" on your page, not "accpeted" as I expect it to be11:31
sistpotyminghua: mom, I'll take a look at the bugs11:31
Nafalloubuntu-universe-bugs haven't got updated yet.11:32
Nafallothe page uses that one to check for status :-)11:33
hubLaserJock: vim-gnome depend on gnome11:34
hubLaserJock: gvim-gtk just on gtk11:34
minghuasistpoty: It's bug #4400 and #4403, thanks11:34
UbugtuMalone bug #4400: grace6: merge new debian version Fix req. for: grace6 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/440011:34
sistpotyNafallo: no, there are bugs in my inbox... just wondering why this didn't work11:35
Nafallosistpoty: oh? against what source was the last bug?11:37
sistpotygrace and grace6... and my script produces the fine output "there was s.th. wrong" :(11:38
sistpotylol11:38
Nafallohmm11:38
Nafalloonly my mail-server that has a big delay?11:38
Nafallo(just got bug 4540 in my mailbox)11:38
UbugtuMalone bug #4540: gnomebaker percentage done is negative Fix req. for: gnomebaker (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/454011:38
tsengxerxas: what are you trying to do?11:40
bmonty_laptopNafallo: can you please take a look at Malone #455011:42
UbugtuError: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found11:42
sistpotyminghua: you changed the assignee by the web-tool? seems like no mail regarding a change of bugstate has come to universe-bugs-list. Since I need this to find out if a merge should be marked as fixed, my script bails out...11:43
Nafallobmonty_laptop: O'm on it :-)11:44
Nafallos/O/I/11:44
bmonty_laptopthanks :)11:44
sistpotyminghua: I'll try setting bug-status for grace in malone from new to accepted, and check if s.th. changes...11:45
sistpotyminghua: I'll also fix the script ;)11:45
minghuasistpoty: yes, I used the web-tool, no time to play bazaar yet11:47
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minghuasistpoty: but there _is_ a mail about status change to universe-bugs list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/universe-bugs/2005-November/002856.html11:50
minghuasistpoty: there is no mail about the bug get filed11:50
minghuasistpoty: or are you talking about something else by universe-bugs-list?11:51
sistpotyminghua: actually the exact thing that's missing is a mail with s.th. like "Status (New) => Accepted" or "Status: new"...11:51
sistpotyminghua: but i just fixed the script, so that a team-assignment will also update the MoM-database ;)11:52
sistpotyminghua: thx for noting this ;)11:52
minghuaI see.  So it seems I'm the only one using web-tool now? :-)11:52
minghuasistpoty: sure, thank you for fixing it so fast :-)11:53
Nafalloyepp :-)11:53
sistpotyminghua: n.p.... I know the regexp from the script ;)11:53
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