[12:03] <nalioth> _Snake_: yes we do use it
[12:04] <_Snake_> You don't need to say my name, as I assume your typing it, i'm on mirc, cant see the red ;)
[12:04] <_Snake_> Is it any good?
[12:05] <LjL> well, as far as i'm concerned, using stuff like Xfce is pretty useless these days (unless you actually *like* the way it looks and works). many, many useful apps are for either KDE or Gnome; of course, you can run them in Xfce, but what's the purpose, when all the KDE/Gnome libraries will be laoded anyway?
[12:06] <colin__> how can i use my airport extreme in kubuntu?
[12:06] <_crimson> hello, when I install ATI controller my kubuntu goes to ruin does not return to initiate KDE
[12:06] <LjL> _Snake_: by the way, talking about the "red", do you know you can set Konversation to display an icon in the tray, which will start flashing red when someone calls your name? :)
[12:06] <LjL> colin__: what is that?
[12:06] <Fillado> apples wi-fi access point
[12:06] <LjL> oh
[12:06] <colin__> yea
[12:07] <doodz> hey its cool i left a ton of apps over, shut my pc down then when i booted back up they all re
[12:07] <doodz> opend
[12:07] <doodz> :)
[12:07] <doodz> *open
[12:07] <_Snake_> LjL: Cant say I did :)
[12:07] <LjL> doodz: that's called "session saving" ;-) it's there by default in Gnome, though i think it has to be specified in KDE
[12:07] <doodz> i can't remember selecting it..
[12:07] <LjL> _Snake_: well i'm just giving random tips when they come to me :)
[12:07] <doodz> i like it
[12:07] <doodz> :)
[12:08] <brodel> from what I've read WPA looks like it's a pain to get working on ubuntu. I have been thinking about getting a new wireless router. (11 mbit is just too slow for my current needs) Is there an easy way to get WPA working on ubuntu?
[12:08] <nalioth> colin__: you cannot
[12:08] <LjL> doodz: i like hibernation better (when it actually works). it's basically session saving done the right way :)
[12:08] <colin__> can i use a usb dongle?
[12:08] <_Snake_> brodel: Wireless period is hard to get working in any linux distro
[12:08] <nalioth> colin__: are you talking about the built in wireles or the AP?
[12:08] <doodz> hibernation like what windows has ?
[12:08] <Fillado> is there a repository that has nvidia drivers in it?
[12:08] <colin__> the built in
[12:09] <brodel> really? My wireless worked perfectly with no problems (using it now)
[12:09] <LjL> doodz: yeah. it's called either "hibernation" or "software suspend" or "suspend to disk" in linux
[12:09] <colin__> hmm
[12:09] <_Snake_> Odd...mine was a bitch to set up brodel
[12:09] <nalioth> colin__: it is a broadcom chipset, so no it doesnt work under linux
[12:09] <_Snake_> Might just be mine :)
[12:09] <doodz> nice
[12:09] <LjL> doodz: you can try it by running "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh" in KDE, while Gnome has a shutdown option for it
[12:09] <nalioth> colin__: i do have a webpage for you to look at
[12:09] <brodel> All I did was enter in my SSID. I also used it at a friends house and it worked fine.
[12:09] <brodel> I am concerned about moving to another card and AP though
[12:09] <nalioth> colin__: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/       <<< this page works well when shopping
[12:09] <LjL> doodz: unfortunately it's definitely not as polished as the windows one, currently
[12:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell colin__ about wireless
[12:10] <nalioth> colin__: also check your priv msgs from ubotu for further info
[12:10] <colin__> k, thanx
[12:11] <brodel> Hell I still can't get windows to get this card installed correctly, but ubuntu did it with no probs :)
[12:11] <libben> kmess.sourceforge.net is it better the kopete? i only use msn anyway except irc
[12:12] <_Snake_> Ugh kopete makes me mad
[12:12] <brodel> I am using kopete.. it's ok
[12:12] <brodel> I still like gaim better
[12:12] <LjL> libben: dunno, but it's in the repositories, so you can probably try it quite quickly
[12:12] <_Snake_> Its got a problem with AIM, I like kopete better, but with AIM it sucks
[12:13] <libben> yeah, but i was more in the line if kopete is less buggy or something like that
[12:13] <brodel> Why's that? I mainly only use AIM
[12:13] <libben> im thinking of uninstalling kopete and install kmess
[12:13] <_Snake_> If you have "thorns of faith" in your buddy list and they IM you as "Thorns of Faith" (notice the caps) it says hes not on your buddy list
[12:13] <_Snake_> Then if you try to add, they dont immidetly come online
[12:13] <nalioth> libben: whatever you're up to
[12:14] <brodel> Odd.. I've never noticed anything like that.
[12:14] <LjL> i dunno, but guys, why don' you go file a bug, instead of running away to another program?
[12:14] <_Snake_> I filed one :)!
[12:14] <LjL> ok then ;)
[12:14] <_Snake_> Then I switched to gaim lol
[12:14] <_crimson> hello to all
[12:15] <_Snake_> yo
[12:15] <LjL> _Snake_: anyway, as you can see from kubuntu.org, there's kde 3.5 almost ready, perhaps it fixes that. actually, i have the RC1 installed
[12:15] <_Snake_> Yea I seen that
[12:15] <_Snake_> Should be scweet
[12:15] <_crimson> anyone have installed GATOS ATI following the README inside TAR
[12:16] <_Snake_> Do they ship kubuntu for free aswell, or just ubuntu?
[12:16] <LjL> _Snake_: unless you really want to test it, though, i'd advise against installing it... it's giving quite a few problems to people, me included (not bad problems, but problems), as you can see from the known bugs page
[12:16] <_crimson> when I install ATI controller my kubuntu goes to ruin does not return to initiate KDE
[12:16] <_Snake_> LjL:Ill wait until its prime time
[12:16] <LjL> _Snake_: don't tell me you'd rather have it shipped than install a decent downloader :P
[12:17] <_Snake_> LjL: Haha, naw, I was thinking about ordering a bunch and handing them out at school, I know a few nerds that are to lazy to download it lol
[12:18] <LjL> oic
[12:18] <_Snake_> LjL:about how long ago was hoary released?
[12:18] <LjL> _Snake_: like something more than 6 months ago
[12:18] <LjL> _Snake_: there's a release every 6 months, and breezy is quite new
[12:19] <brodel> can anyone help me mount a windows share? I want to see if it helps an issue I'm having with streaming music 
[12:19] <brodel> Breezy is about a month old now
[12:19] <Hobbsee> !mount
[12:19] <ubotu> I heard mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[12:19] <brodel> not that that's old..
[12:19] <nalioth> _Snake_: it's not about downloading, it's about ignorance. the vast majority of folks have no idea that a nice open desktop system exists
[12:19] <LjL> brodel: well, the basic idea is "sudo mount -t cifs //server/directory /mnt/somewhere -o username=WindowsUser"
[12:20] <brodel> I was missing the -t cifs 
[12:20] <LjL> brodel: WindowsUser would be a windows user, of course :-)
[12:20] <brodel> what's that do / mean?
[12:20] <LjL> brodel: you could use "-t smbfs", but that's deprecated i think
[12:21] <LjL> brodel: the two "//" you mean? well, it's the same as on Windows, only on it's "\\" there
[12:21] <brodel> I was getting something about superblocks last night when trying it, but I didn't have the -t cifs thing
[12:21] <LjL> brodel: on windows, you access a remote share by typing "\\server\directory"
[12:21] <brodel> Yeah. I know that :)
[12:21] <brodel> I know windows too well
[12:21] <LjL> well, the two "//" in linux are just that
[12:21] <brodel> I mean't the "-t cifs"
 I know windows too well"
[12:22] <_Snake_> Same here, I think thats why linux is so hard for me
[12:22] <LjL> oh, well, cifs is the new filesystem for Windows shares, the older one, smbfs, had some bad issues, i think
[12:22] <_Snake_> Gotta unlearn everything, then relearn
[12:23] <Hobbsee> brodel: _Snake_ you unlearn it pretty quick, it's not that hard
[12:23] <LjL> _Snake_: naaah... they even place widgets the windows way, in both KDE and Gnome, to give you an easy time :-P
[12:23] <LjL> (fortunately, that's configurable)
[12:23] <brodel> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //omoikane/share"
[12:23] <brodel> I can't unlearn it completely (I'd lose my job haha)
[12:24] <_Snake_> lol, I mean you have to learn that theres diffrent ways to do things in linux than windows
[12:24] <chaoticgeek> I like armork
[12:24] <_Snake_> Same
[12:24] <chaoticgeek> or whatever its called
[12:24] <_Snake_> ;)
[12:25] <brodel> amarok never worked for me.. It looks too big for a music player anyway (IMO)
[12:25] <chaoticgeek> amarok
[12:25] <brodel> I like beep
[12:25] <_Snake_> XMMS Roxorz
[12:25] <LjL> brodel: hmm try with the IP of your windows machine instead of its name
[12:25] <chaoticgeek> I load a list then minimize it
[12:25] <brodel> ok
[12:26] <brodel> mount: block device //10.121.10.5/share is write-protected, mounting read-only
[12:26] <brodel> mount: cannot mount block device //10.121.10.5/share read-only
[12:26] <LjL> _Snake_: bah, xmms is just winamp, which may not necessarily be a bad thing, but i don't find it a particularly noteworthy program
[12:26] <brodel> it never asked me for a password
[12:26] <LjL> brodel: weird that it didn't. you used the "-o" option, didn't you?
[12:27] <brodel> All I need it to do is play music. amarok is too big for that
[12:27] <_Snake_> What do you mean by big?
[12:27] <_Snake_> File size, or playersize?
[12:27] <brodel> sudo mount -t cifs //10.121.10.5/share /media/omoikane -o username=brodel
[12:27] <brodel> that's what I typed exactly
[12:27] <LjL> brodel: then just use mpg321 :P
[12:27] <brodel> playersize (interface)
[12:27] <brodel> I like the size of beep.. does all I need.
[12:27] <_Snake_> It can minimize to the tray...lol
[12:28] <brodel> Amarok takes almost the whole screen.
[12:28] <brodel> yeah, but why does the interface need that much space to begin with 
[12:28] <LjL> brodel: it looks right... note that the username *may* be case sensitive, though... also, not that it should make a difference, but i would mount in /mnt not in /media
[12:28] <brodel> I don't know.. it just bothers me.
[12:28] <brodel> ok
[12:28] <_Snake_> Lol ur choice! (The magic of linux :))
[12:28] <LjL> brodel: it doesn't *need* that space... just tell it to show a winamp like small window, and it will
[12:29] <chaoticgeek> I like having the winkey+letter to move around in my playlists
[12:29] <CarD-Elsoy> hi
[12:30] <brodel> maybe I'll try it again.. but I guess I'm wondering what makes it better than beep?
[12:30] <LjL> brodel: i haven't tried beep
[12:30] <brodel> mount: cannot mount block device //10.121.10.5/Share read-only
[12:30] <brodel> bah
[12:30] <chaoticgeek> that other thing is cool too
[12:31] <chaoticgeek> the detachable one like winamp
[12:31] <_Snake_> What are you trying to mount brodel? A windows NTFS Drive or what??
[12:31] <brodel> windows share
[12:31] <_Snake_> Hmm
[12:31] <LjL> _Snake_: a windows share, i.e. he's trying to do a Samba mount
[12:31] <brodel> it a NTFS drive though
[12:31] <brodel> but that shouldn't matter (I think)
[12:32] <LjL> brodel: well, have you tried with "-t smbfs" just to be sure?
[12:32] <brodel> nope
[12:32] <_Snake_> Yea I see that, I thought it was local
[12:32] <LjL> brodel: well, try it, even though i'm positive it's being deprecated... but if it works for you..
[12:32] <brodel> brodel@nemesis-nix:~$ sudo mount -t smbfs //10.121.10.5/Share /mnt/omoikane -o username=brodel
[12:32] <brodel> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //10.121.10.5/Share,
[12:32] <chaoticgeek> what are you trying to do?
[12:33] <LjL> brodel: i think you might not have "smbfs" installed
[12:33] <LjL> brodel: (though i think that package's only needed for smbfs proper, not cifs)
[12:33] <brodel> anyway to check?
[12:33] <LjL> brodel: aptitude install smbfs
[12:33] <LjL> brodel: if it's already installed, you'll know ;)
[12:34] <brodel> nope.. looks like it's installing now
[12:34] <_Snake_> LjL: How the hell do you know all these commands off the top of your head?
[12:34] <_StarScream> does anyone have bootsplash with kubuntu
[12:34] <brodel> you say aptitude, but if I am asking and you're not around I always get "apt-get" why do you prefer aptitude? (curiosity only)
[12:34] <LjL> _Snake_: what "all these commands"? for now, you've only seen me type "aptitude" and "mount" :)
[12:34] <_StarScream> or is it just PPC that doesn't
[12:34] <chaoticgeek> he/she is very smart
[12:35] <LjL> brodel: i think people are simply used to apt-get... aptitude is a good program, it's endorsed by Debian, and it can do *at least all* the things that apt-get can do
[12:35] <LjL> brodel: in addition, it remembers automatically installed dependencies, which apt-get doesn't
[12:35] <Hobbsee> brodel: handles the dependancies differently - aptitude gets rid of the package and it's dependancies, i think
[12:35] <LjL> brodel: and it's got a graphical interface, but i don't use that
[12:35] <Hobbsee> that too
[12:36] <nalioth> brodel: aptitude has more/different features
[12:36] <brodel> wow.. lots of answers lol
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:36] <Hobbsee> people must be awake today
[12:36] <brodel> well that mount worked finally :D
[12:36] <LjL> brodel: just try installing a package that has a ton of dependencies... later you decide you want to remove it... with apt-get, you'll have to hunt for the dependencies one by one
[12:36] <brodel> didn't seem sto really solve my issue though... but oh well
[12:36] <brodel> seems to*
[12:37] <LjL> brodel: this also applies while doing an automatic upgrade... if dependencies get moved in the new versions, and stuff like that, aptitude will do a much better job of getting rid of the obsolete stuff
[12:37] <LjL> brodel: what do you mean? it works or it works not?
[12:37] <brodel> speaking of that.. is there something running on my laptop looking for new stuff like patches and whatever?
[12:37] <brodel> The mount worked fine..
[12:37] <_Snake_> LjL: I meant as in I wouldn't know what -t and all that crap does lol
[12:37] <brodel> but when I play an MP3 from that mount it doesn't work right
[12:37] <LjL> brodel: no, on KDE, there isn't (yet). there is in Gnome
[12:38] <LjL> _Snake_: well, you see, i also have a Samba share that i mount, so it's something i'm quite used to do. when people come and ask abour wireless interfaces (like some minutes ago), i simply don't have a clue
[12:38] <_Snake_> Ah okay
[12:38] <_Snake_> lol
[12:38] <LjL> brodel: umount and remount with "-t cifs", maybe it works this time
[12:39] <brodel> before when I played an MP3 from konqueror, it downloaded it to a temp directory and played it. I wanted it to just play like it does when I'm in windows, now it doesn't download it, but it starts and after 2 seconds, it cuts off :(
[12:39] <brodel> how do I unmount hehe
[12:39] <brodel> "unmount" didn't work
[12:39] <Hobbsee> brodel: try umount
[12:39] <_thumper_> brodel, umount
[12:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:39] <LjL> brodel: well, when you use Samba shares from KDE, they're not really mounted, but instead there is a "KIOSlave" that connects to the Windows machine and downloads the stuff...
[12:40] <LjL> brodel: "umount /media/share"
[12:40] <brodel> sudo: unmount: command not found
[12:40] <LjL> there is no "n"
[12:40] <brodel> HAHA
[12:40] <LjL> are you surprised? do you know that the system call to create files is called "creat"?
[12:41] <libben> can i install a deb file that is built for ubuntu?
[12:41] <libben> we have the same structure dont we?
[12:41] <LjL> libben: ...uh?
[12:41] <slow-motion__> n8
[12:41] <LjL> libben: ubuntu and kubuntu are exactly the same distribution
[12:41] <LjL> libben: the only difference is in the selection of programs that comes in the respective CDs
[12:42] <_Snake_> libben: Just diffrent pretty pictures and programs :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> libben: what is it?
[12:42] <libben> i know all this. i was just wondering if it was any diffrence in the structure of the folders. but it shouldent be-
[12:42] <LjL> libben: but if you install something that's for Gnome, then a lot of Gnome libraries and misc dependencies will be installed as well
[12:42] <libben> im going for kmess
[12:43] <libben> but its not the newest in repos
[12:43] <Hobbsee> libben: there wont be, it should be fine
[12:43] <Fillado> are the official nvidia drivers in the universe repository?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[12:43] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:43] <Hobbsee> think you have to get the binary ones from their site
[12:43] <_Snake_> oooooooo kmess is pretty
[12:43] <LjL> i wouldn't use MSN if i were forced to :P
[12:43] <_Snake_> ^agreed
[12:44] <_Snake_> But http://kmess.sourceforge.net/ is pretty :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[12:44] <Hobbsee> kopete's what i use here
[12:44] <chaoticgeek> konversation
[12:44] <brodel> man.. it still doesn't play it right :(
[12:44] <brodel> even with cifs
[12:44] <chaoticgeek> wouldnt kopete do what kmess does? plus more?
[12:45] <brodel> CIFS.. I've seen that before when trying to get novell  shares on windows machines withouth the novell client.
[12:45] <LjL> _Snake_: isn't it just because they're using a MacOS X like theme in the screenshots? ;-)
[12:45] <Fillado> (23:43:29) (Hobbsee) think you have to get the binary ones from their site <--- trying to avoid that as i'm going to have to do it entirely CLI :|
[12:45] <Hobbsee> wish it was a multi-im protocol
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Fillado: got lynx?
[12:45] <libben> well, kmess is only for msn, i only use msn, and irc. and it seems to follow the look of msn more then kopete
[12:45] <chaoticgeek> I'll stick with kopete
[12:45] <_Snake_> LjL: Probly :)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i was thinking
[12:46] <chaoticgeek> I dont use msn, never have
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Fillado: if you go grab lynx, you'll be able to browse the net via console
[12:46] <_Snake_> Kopete would be great if they fix my damn AIM problem
[12:46] <chaoticgeek> whats worng?
[12:46] <Fillado> ah ok
[12:46] <LjL> fine, i'm out of disk space
[12:46] <chaoticgeek> sometimes randomly I'll just logg off, but I can log it back it on my AIM, I never have problems with Yahoo though
[12:46] <brodel> LjL: so there's nothing I can do about my playing MP3s from that mount?
[12:47] <brodel> when I use gaim, it always cuts off my google im thing
[12:47] <brodel> I forgot what googles was called.. 
[12:47] <LjL> brodel: i don't really know, it works for me... (well, i got some problems too, like accented letters not showing correctly, but basically it works)
[12:47] <chaoticgeek> google talk
[12:47] <brodel> that's it
[12:48] <chaoticgeek> my room mate uses that to talk with his brother
[12:48] <chaoticgeek> he loves it, but he uses the windows Google Talk program
[12:48] <brodel> also in yakuake the letters are like smooshed together.. 
[12:48] <Hobbsee> there are a lot of improvements in kopete 0.11
[12:48] <brodel> don't know of how to fix that. I've tried different fonts and stuff..
[12:48] <LjL> brodel: perhaps try asking on the #samba channel? (i suppose there is one)
[12:49] <chaoticgeek> there is a samba channle
[12:49] <chaoticgeek> channel*
[12:49] <brodel> nevermind.. it worked that time.. should of just tried it again.. figured it would do the same..
[12:50] <_Snake_> Ice Cream is good :-D
[12:50] <chaoticgeek> yes it is
[12:50] <chaoticgeek> I want some choclate
[12:50] <_Snake_> Is it possible to connect to 2 servers with mIRC...?
[12:50] <libben> hmmm some deps problems when trying to install kmess.deb file. but i cant find the deps in the repos. weird
[12:50] <brodel> yes
[12:51] <brodel> do /server -m second.server.com
[12:51] <LjL> _Snake_: i don't remember how, but yes, with the recent versions, yes
[12:51] <_Snake_> Haha got it
[12:51] <_Snake_> :)
[12:51] <brodel> :)
[12:51] <Delvien> anyone have any experience with ipw2200?
[12:51] <brodel> like I said.. I know windows too well :(
[12:51] <chaoticgeek> yumm... chocolate
[12:51] <Delvien> Anyone know how to fix this http://pastebin.com/432482
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Delvien: i hear it works
[12:51] <_Snake_> Same here brodel
[12:52] <_Snake_> I could fix almost any issue with windows..kinda sucks :-D
[12:52] <Delvien> Hobbsee is freaky for me.. 
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !ipw2200
[12:52] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:52] <_Snake_> I need a challenge, hence why I got linux
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !wiki ipw2200
[12:52] <brodel> linux has definately become a challenge for me.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:52] <_Snake_> Same
[12:52] <brodel> Feel like it would be easier if I never touched a windows box though.
[12:52] <chaoticgeek> I got linux just because I'm a geek
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Delvien: check ubuntuforums.org - i've seen threads on this
[12:53] <Delvien> Hobbsee kk checking
[12:53] <_Snake_> Lol agreed brodel
[12:53] <Hobbsee> k
[12:53] <brodel> I just want to be able to play my songs from the share :(
[12:53] <brodel> I got all these new tunes.. but can't play em unless I boot to windows.. and I don't want to go to windows haha
[12:53] <_Snake_> I go through and ill see something and Ill be like "Now why cant this be like windows" but then I remind myself "Dur...this is linux, if I want windows, i should be on windows"
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:54] <Hobbsee> then i go itno a msdos command prompt, then keep trying ls
[12:54] <Hobbsee> and wonder why it doesnt work
[12:54] <Hobbsee> brodel: copy them over to your linux?
[12:54] <kkathman> brodel its very possible  from either direction
[12:54] <chaoticgeek> the onlything I have not moved over from windows is using my tv tuner card...
[12:54] <_Snake_> Haha! When I first loaded up linux, I tryed using MSDOS/command lines and i was like FOCK! lol
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[12:55] <Hobbsee> shutdown now works though
[12:55] <_Snake_> Ha yeah
[12:55] <brodel> Hobbsee: I do ls in dos now too
[12:55] <brodel> and I did mkdir the other day
[12:55] <_Snake_> LOL
[12:55] <_Snake_> Nice
[12:55] <Hobbsee> mkdir doesnt work either?
[12:55] <brodel> it does.. but I wasn't thinking
[12:56] <brodel> I was doing a batch file..
[12:56] <brodel> and I put cp in there somewhere too
[12:56] <chaoticgeek> I've done that too befroe
[12:56] <_Snake_> I dont usually use windows CLI, I use all graphical for that
[12:56] <_Snake_> For windows anyway, after all, it was a OS built for a GUI...why not use it
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:56] <Hobbsee> what?  you mean...cp doesnt work either???
[12:57] <Hobbsee> argh!
[12:57] <brodel> because I throw batch files in login scripts
[12:57] <chaoticgeek> ya is al graphical so sometimes I do use the command line, but mostly the gui
[12:57] <brodel> I do a lot of batch files.. at work hehe
[12:57] <_Snake_> What do you do for a job?
[12:57] <brodel> network administrator 
[12:57] <_Snake_> Fun
[12:57] <chaoticgeek> ohh
[12:57] <Hobbsee> student here
[12:58] <_Snake_> Computer repairs here/ student
[12:58] <chaoticgeek> Student too
[12:58] <brodel> well used to be.. company got bought out and brought their own people for that.. now I just do the desktop stuff till I find another job so I'm not bored out of my mind
[12:58] <brodel> I wish my damn modem in my laptop worked in kubuntu so I could get on the net with it at work.
[12:58] <_Snake_> I do the hardware part of PCs
[12:58] <_Snake_> You didn't do a dual boot?
[12:58] <brodel> huh?
[12:58] <brodel> I want to be on kubuntu on my laptop at work
[12:59] <_Snake_> Ah okay, I thought maybe you just installed kubuntu, and got rid of windows 100%
[12:59] <brodel> but I need a modem to connect at work because there are like 4 firewalls between my PC and the net.
[12:59] <brodel> haha.. no way. 
[12:59] <_Snake_> I might do that when linux has more support behind it
[12:59] <brodel> I know I need certain things and don't always have the time to learn how to do something that's simple in windows
[01:00] <brodel> I'd love to get rid of it all together
[01:00] <brodel> Actually I downloaded a copy of vista and played with it. A week later I said bah I am going to try linux again.. if I learn it I won't have to deal with Vista unless it's work related.
[01:01] <_Snake_> Thats the only thing I dislike about being windows n00b: If you want to do something, you have to research it for hours lol (It took me 4 hours just install flash player into konquerer)
[01:01] <_Snake_> Thats like a 30 second job on windows
[01:01] <brodel> this time, I tried ubuntu and have been loving it.. just gotta figure a lot of stuff out.
[01:01] <_Snake_> Being linux noob**
[01:01] <LjL> _Snake_: or you could ask here ;)
[01:01] <_Snake_> Yea, but I know people get annoyed
[01:01] <LjL> not that i'd know how to install flash, but
[01:01] <brodel> dude, I STILL can't get flash running on konqueror.. I tried that forever one night and was like F this I'm goin to bed.
[01:02] <_Snake_> hahaha!!
[01:02] <_Snake_> PWNED!
[01:02] <_Snake_> ER
[01:02] <LjL> _Snake_: no, they don't. if it's an easy question, they'll just call ubotu to give you instructions
[01:02] <_Snake_> Anyway, are you on kubuntu now?
[01:02] <LjL> _Snake_: if it's not an easy question, you'll probably find someone who *wants* to answer it
[01:02] <brodel> me?
[01:02] <_Snake_> lol
[01:02] <_Snake_> Yea brodel
[01:02] <Fillado> wahey - got kubuntu to work :D :D
[01:02] <brodel> yeah
[01:02] <_Snake_> Hang on I got instructions on how to install it
[01:02] <LjL> _Snake_: if it's about installing flash or java, everyone will run away. but that's not the case for everything ;-P
[01:03] <chaoticgeek> hey my flash works
[01:03] <_Snake_> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1646.0
[01:03] <brodel> but I need flash!
[01:03] <libben> what was the command to clear the cache from debs?
[01:03] <libben> so it wont install a old deb?
[01:03] <_Snake_> Go there brodel
[01:03] <brodel> wtf
[01:03] <chaoticgeek> you go to flash.com I think
[01:03] <libben> apt-get clean cache?
[01:03] <brodel> I didn't know there was a kubuntu forums lol
[01:03] <_Snake_> Yepperz
[01:03] <_Snake_> I figured that all by myself
[01:04] <_Snake_> Just use what I did, and download the file off of flash sites
[01:04] <Delvien> hobbsee got it fixed
[01:04] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[01:04] <LjL> !flash
[01:04] <ubotu> hmm... flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:04] <libben> apt-get clean cache?
[01:04] <chaoticgeek> go here http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[01:04] <LjL> just to mention that ubotu can be useful
[01:04] <LjL> libben: apt-get clean you mean?
[01:04] <_Snake_> whats obotu?
[01:04] <Delvien> hobbsee know anything about ACPI?
[01:04] <_Snake_> ubotu**
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah, not really, no
[01:05] <LjL> libben: but that's not to make it avoid installing old debs
[01:05] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[01:05] <chaoticgeek> dowload unzip and open the commandline and sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[01:05] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[01:05] <_Snake_> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree THAT DOES NOT WORK
[01:05] <libben> yeah? it removes the debs doesnt it?
[01:05] <LjL> libben: to install updated things, you need apt-get update
[01:05] <chaoticgeek> guys who needs flash?
[01:05] <chaoticgeek> I can tell ya
[01:05] <libben> yeah. allready done that
[01:05] <chaoticgeek> and it works, and it works in konqueror
[01:05] <LjL> libben: it flushes the cache. the main (only?) purpose of it is to free up disk space
[01:06] <brodel> _Snake_: you entered the patch for firefox.. that will make it work in konqueror too?
[01:07] <_Snake_> yes
[01:07] <_Snake_> Konqueror scans for all plugins
[01:07] <brodel> roger that
[01:08] <Delvien> Opera > Firefox >Konqueror> IE
[01:08] <chaoticgeek> yep
[01:08] <Delvien> Firefox is a Memory hog,  Konqeror doesnt feel like a web browser to me
[01:09] <_Snake_> I love konqueror
[01:09] <Delvien> i love it as a file browser
[01:09] <Delvien> not as a web browser
[01:09] <_Snake_> Great idea, integrating the file browser and web
[01:09] <_Snake_> Whys that?
[01:09] <LjL> errr stop talking about it
[01:09] <LjL> it just crashed on me
[01:09] <_Snake_> lol
[01:09] <Delvien> haha
[01:09] <LjL> perhaps it's ashamed of you talking about it, so stop :P
[01:09] <_Snake_> Del are you saying IE owns all??
[01:09] <Delvien> Im no
[01:09] <Delvien> not
[01:10] <Delvien> > means greater than
[01:10] <_Snake_> Ahh...oops
[01:10] <_Snake_> Missintertpreted (sp?)
[01:10] <_Snake_> lol
[01:10] <Delvien> jeese someone didnt take math in middle school :P
[01:10] <Delvien> hehe jk
[01:10] <_Snake_> :-D
[01:10] <Delvien> IE owns a pile of donky crap
[01:10] <_Snake_> Indeed
[01:10] <Delvien> nothing else
[01:10] <_Snake_> lol
[01:11] <Delvien> IE7 is kinda nice, but not as nice as firefox or opera
[01:11] <_Snake_> http://www.spreadinternetexplorer.com/
[01:11] <_Snake_> Hahaha
[01:11] <Delvien> Vista is a mem hog
[01:11] <LjL> Delvien: myself, i'm not sure i'd call opera better than firefox... also, if i have to take the "political" issues into consideration, then it's definitely firefox > opera for me
[01:11] <_Snake_> Vista is a everything hog
[01:11] <chaoticgeek> eww
[01:11] <_Snake_> It looks sexy tho
[01:12] <Delvien> ljl Firefox uses alot of memory. and does the same thing as opera
[01:12] <Delvien> aye snake
[01:12] <_Snake_> So after I got rid of the beta, I just installed a skin over XP :)
[01:12] <Delvien> Firefox but as firefox becomes more popular, more hackers look at it
[01:12] <LjL> Delvien: yeah opera is quite lightweight, at least as far as filesize is concerned (don't really remember about amount RAM taken)
[01:12] <Delvien> i do not skin XP anymore. just boot it up to play games. thats all XP is for.
[01:12] <_Snake_> lol
[01:13] <Delvien> Ljl firefox 94 megs, opera 35-40
[01:13] <LjL> Delvien: many versions of Opera, though, have also been much less stable than current Firefoxes, for me
[01:13] <_Snake_> I <3 my firefox
[01:13] <Delvien> Ljl i use 8, very stable , not one crash, firefox has crashed several times
[01:13] <_Snake_> Theres a browser thats called...hmmm...i think avant
[01:13] <Delvien> but i still love firefox dont get me wrong, i would still use it if it didnt use so much memory
[01:13] <_Snake_> Something like that
[01:14] <chaoticgeek> xp is for my  tv tuner so I can record shows
[01:14] <_Snake_> Wow that program is crazy
[01:14] <_Snake_> So many options
[01:14] <Delvien> chaoticgeek TV ? holy crap thats still around !!!
[01:14] <chaoticgeek> yep
[01:14] <brodel> odd.. I installed it there, and it worked for firefox.. :D
[01:14] <_Snake_> wtf whut is tv??
[01:14] <brodel> but not for konqueror
[01:14] <LjL> Delvien: firefox did crash on me a few times on Linux, but it was very stable on Windows. i haven't tried Opera 8, i stopped using it at 7 (and only ever used it on Windows)
[01:14] <_Snake_> Try settings konquerors plugin settings
[01:14] <chaoticgeek> got to record my anime when I'm sleeping
[01:14] <Delvien> ljl ah windows is unstable as it is.. lol 
[01:15] <LjL> windows 2000 is quite stable
[01:15] <Delvien> chaoticgeek gnutella for me :P
[01:15] <_Snake_> You have to change the path I think (Go to control center > Internet > Browser > plug ins (I think))
[01:15] <_Snake_> http://www.avantbrowser.com/ That browser is option crazy
[01:15] <LjL> i've hardly ever see Linux actually *crash*... but i've hardly ever seen win2000 do it, as well
[01:16] <_Snake_> LOLOLOL!!! GUYS READ THIS!:
[01:16] <_Snake_> Is Avant Browser a secure browser?
[01:16] <_Snake_> Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it's based on Internet Explorer, Avant Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer.
[01:16] <_Snake_> Thats not very secure...
[01:16] <Delvien> who likes to use win2000, eek
[01:16] <LjL> hey, konq crashed again, what the hell
[01:16] <LjL> _Snake_: ahahahahah
[01:16] <_Snake_> LjL: It don't like you :)
[01:17] <Delvien> ljl im pokeing my konq voodoo doll
[01:17] <LjL> Delvien: i don't quite *like* to use windows, i just said 2000 is stable
[01:17] <Delvien> hehe
[01:18] <_Snake_> Most of NT is
[01:18] <Delvien> whoa
[01:18] <LjL> hey, a netsplit
[01:18] <LjL> long time no see
[01:18] <_Snake_> I cant say XP is that bad compared to...oh I dunno........ME
[01:18] <Delvien> lol
[01:18] <Delvien> my wifi light wont turn on, Damn you wifi light of uberness
[01:19] <Delvien> jeebus
[01:19] <Delvien> my wifi light wont turn on, Damn you wifi light of uberness
[01:19] <LjL> ME is the most unstable thing i've seen on earth
[01:19] <LjL> but i'm damn sure that if i had gone in space, ME would be the most unstable thing i'd have seen in space
[01:19] <_Snake_> lol
[01:19] <_Snake_> That was weird.
[01:19] <_Snake_> ME was my third OS.
[01:19] <_Snake_> Came on a Emachine.
[01:19] <_Snake_> Go Figure.
[01:19] <_Snake_> lol, I would be scared to be launched into space running ME
[01:19] <_Snake_> Hahaha
[01:19] <Delvien> emachine !!!! OMG burn it !
[01:19] <_Snake_> Yes I did
[01:20] <_Snake_> Litterally
[01:20] <_Snake_> In our shop, the 2 most machines I see (in order) Dell, then Emachine
[01:20] <_Snake_> Both are junk
[01:20] <Delvien> hey now
[01:20] <_Snake_> Emachines more so, but I think I see more dell because thats what a lot of people buy
[01:20] <Delvien> Dell laptops are great, their desktops stink
[01:21] <brodel> Toshiba laptops rawk
[01:21] <brodel> Sony VAIO SUCKS
[01:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello
[01:22] <Delvien> VAIOs are overpriced HPs
[01:22] <Delvien> and HPs suck ass
[01:22] <Delvien> the only thing HP makes that is good is printers
[01:22] <brodel> I bought a VIAO as my first laptop.. worst purchase I ever made
[01:22] <Delvien> its all hype
[01:22] <brodel> My friend has a HP laptop.. he seems to like it.
[01:22] <Delvien> well he prolly bought it at bestbuy... lol
[01:23] <brodel> Circuit city actually
[01:23] <Delvien> even worse...
[01:23] <Delvien> NEVER buy a computer at a retail store
[01:23] <brodel> not really.
[01:23] <brodel> well he doesn't like to shop around
[01:23] <brodel> He'll walk around and see it and just go I want that. I can go to the internet kiosk and show it to him for cheaper online and he doesn't care.
[01:24] <Delvien> im just going to stop , because i'll start calling him derrogitory names if we continue this..
[01:24] <brodel> I bought this laptop from some retailer on ebay. Paid $700 less than what they were asking in the store for a model under this one.
[01:24] <brodel> haha
[01:24] <Delvien> hehe what brand?
[01:24] <brodel> Toshiba
[01:24] <Delvien> nice
[01:24] <brodel> I love it.
[01:24] <Delvien> Toshibas are nice
[01:25] <brodel> MUCH better than that VAIO POS I had.
[01:25] <Delvien> Its the Home/home office IBM
[01:25] <brodel> I think when it's time to upgrade I'll probably get another 
[01:25] <Delvien> I own a dell i6000d
[01:25] <brodel> IBM is overpriced IMO.. but they make nice stuff.
[01:25] <Delvien> paid 1247, was worth 2200 at the time
[01:25] <brodel> We used to get IBMs at work.. now we get Dells.
[01:25] <Delvien> well IBM is business class solid as a rock
[01:26] <brodel> Yeah I think I paid like 1300 or so for this.. at the time that was a good deal.
[01:26] <Delvien> aye
[01:26] <Delvien> i bought mine "refurbished" but all it was someone returned it to get something else, so they knocked 1000 dollars off the price because it was "USED" but was only 1 and a half months old
[01:27] <brodel> I got my buddy to put in the kubuntu live CD in his HP and it didn't detect the wireless card.. he took it right out after that. Now I'll never get him on linux haha
[01:27] <Delvien> live CD doesnt work for my wireless either
[01:27] <Delvien> not even ethernet
[01:27] <brodel> I have an IBM sitting right beside me.. just don't use it.
[01:28] <laptop> !sources
[01:28] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:28] <Delvien> my GF has a R32, nice laptop but nothing isinternal  , so she has a bluetooth dongle and a PCMCIA wifi card sticcking out
[01:28] <brodel> hehe... 
[01:28] <Delvien> lol
[01:29] <brodel> I had the option of internal.. but it was too much and I already had this card which is 200mw
[01:29] <brodel> Used to do a lot of wardriving and such.
[01:29] <Delvien> bad boy !
[01:29] <brodel> bah
[01:29] <brodel> it's a hobby
[01:30] <brodel> amazing how many people just don't care to even try to protect it
[01:30] <Delvien> when my internet gets cut off ( outage ) i use my neighbor's. who is to stupid to secure it
[01:30] <brodel> At my dads house sitting in his driveway, I can get 10 access points.. 8 of which are 100% open
[01:30] <Delvien> lol sad
[01:31] <brodel> and I found those with my pocket PC.. which I know probably has shit for range
[01:31] <brodel> no, you know what's sad?
[01:31] <brodel> my dad uses dial up
[01:32] <Delvien> omg !
[01:32] <laptop> how do i edit my sources.lst again?
[01:32] <chaoticgeek> my grandmother and aunt and other anunt still use dial up
[01:32] <Delvien> sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> sudo kedit
[01:33] <Delvien> err,
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> yes
[01:33] <Hobbsee> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> or kate
[01:33] <Hobbsee> !tell Delvien about root
[01:33] <Delvien> oh ok , thought apt part was wrong
[01:33] <brodel> well I think it's sad he has dialup and there are 8 open access points he could use
[01:33] <laptop> thats it thanks
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <Delvien> i dont want to know about root *pout * hehe :P
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> vim too
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> I like vim
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> vi
[01:34] <Delvien> ive NEVER had a problem using sudo to kedit
[01:34] <Delvien> brodel but he could be arrested for using those 8
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Delvien: true, neither, but i get told off every once in a while for recommending sudo lol
[01:35] <Delvien> Hobbsee lol, its alright, we all understand. 
[01:35] <Snake_> Get guys, sorry network went down
[01:36] <brodel> damn.. power just went out here :(
[01:36] <Delvien> laptops = great
[01:36] <Snake_> Hell yes
[01:36] <Snake_> Its to bad DSL/Cable needs power to operate :)
[01:36] <Snake_> I got a backup dialup connection tho
[01:37] <brodel> Well I have a 650 VA UPS on my firewall and router\access point
[01:37] <brodel> so I'm good for a while
[01:37] <Snake_> NOOOO
[01:37] <Snake_> FUCK!!!!!!
[01:37] <Snake_> AHHHHH!!!!
[01:37] <brodel> ...
[01:37] <Snake_> I WAS AT 60%!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:37] <Snake_> :(
[01:38] <Snake_> Whats a good downloading program? (LjL) lol
[01:39] <LjL> snake: wget is good, i also use axel to download from many mirorsr (it's got automatic search) concurrently
[01:39] <Snake_> Windows?
[01:39] <LjL> Snake_: both work from the command line, there are surely a ton of KDE downloaders, but i don't know about them... anyway, i they many of them use wget or axel as backends anyway
[01:39] <LjL> no, linux
[01:39] <brodel> damn I need faster wireless
[01:40] <nalioth> Snake_: please watch your language
[01:40] <LjL> for windows, you can use wget too
[01:40] <nalioth> Snake_: wget is good, so is curl
[01:40] <LjL> or just download GetRight
[01:40] <Snake_> :-D okay, and I couldn't figure out wget
[01:40] <LjL> GetRight can do multi-mirrors download too
[01:40] <nalioth> Snake_: please learn it. if something has a URL, wget can get it
[01:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Snake_ about CoC
[01:41] <LjL> nalioth: if something has many urls, axel makes good use of my 10mbps connection ;)
[01:41] <nalioth> LjL: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[01:42] <brodel> I know if I had a 10mbit connection I'd never have any disk space either.
[01:42] <Snake_> kik
[01:42] <Snake_> lol*
[01:42] <LjL> brodel: yeah, i also never delete anythign
[01:42] <Snake_> I'm only on a 3mbps
[01:42] <Snake_> LjL how much space u got?
[01:42] <LjL> well, i don't have a public IP on the other hand
[01:42] <nalioth> LjL: must buy a new 500gb HD every 2 weeks
[01:43] <LjL> Snake_: i've got two hds 20 megs each, then i've got 80+20 on my debian server
[01:43] <brodel> ...
[01:43] <brodel> 20MB each?
[01:43] <Snake_> o.0
[01:43] <nalioth> LjL: i hope you meant gigabytes
[01:43] <Snake_> Same
[01:43] <brodel> that's some old hardware there bubba
[01:44] <LjL> nalioth: erm, yea, i go
[01:44] <LjL> do
[01:44] <laptop> !restricted
[01:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:44] <LjL> nalioth: you must understand that at this very moment i cannot even move my mouse most of the time, everything is crawling and trying to crash down =)
[01:44] <laptop> !FreeFormats
[01:44] <ubotu> from memory, freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[01:45] <Snake_> LjL: Thats teally bad
[01:45] <Snake_> I got 450 gigs just on this PC alone
[01:45] <Snake_> Can never have to much space
[01:45] <Delvien> someone just installed kubuntu :P 
[01:45] <brodel> I have all my stuff on my server
[01:45] <LjL> brodel: old hardware? aha the HDs are the best thing i've got! my debian is running on a 300MHz K6, and it was running on a 200MHz before (when i used the 300MHz one myself... now i've given up and bought a cheap Sempron)
[01:46] <brodel> man..
[01:46] <brodel> I'll give you a better PC than that lol
[01:46] <Delvien> haha
[01:46] <Snake_> I'm runnin P4 2.8 GHz @ 3.2, 1 gig o ram and my 450 gigs
[01:46] <Delvien> Ljl why dont you buy something better?
[01:47] <Delvien> Pentium M centrino (sonoma) 1.6ghz with 512, 80gig sata, 
[01:47] <Delvien> ATI x300 128mb Pci express 
[01:47] <Snake_> 9600 AIW
[01:47] <Snake_> ;)
[01:47] <Delvien> :)
[01:48] <Fillado> is there an easy way to get amarok playing MP3's?
[01:48] <Delvien> !tell Fillado about restrictedformats
[01:48] <LjL> delvien: well my own computer is quite ok now, it's got a sempron 2400 (which is 1.6GHz or something, i think) and half a gig of ram... i've spent 180 for the whole thing, and i'm currently content with that
[01:48] <LjL> Delvien: as far as my debian server, it does a wonderful job with its K6
[01:48] <Delvien> what is that in US dollars
[01:48] <Snake_> I spent $1200 on my PC a year ago..now its worth nothing
[01:48] <Fillado> lol ok
[01:49] <Snake_> Thats one thing I hate about comps
[01:49] <Delvien> you build it yourself?
[01:49] <Snake_> Yea
[01:49] <Delvien> 1200 dollars?
[01:49] <Delvien>  you got ripped
[01:49] <Snake_> *nods*
[01:49] <brodel> wtf
[01:49] <LjL> Delvien: it's about 200$ i think
[01:49] <Snake_> Last year??
[01:49] <LjL> Delvien: one euro is about 1.2 dollars
[01:49] <Delvien> LjL  ah kk
[01:49] <brodel> I built my last PC for much less than that and I still use it.
[01:49] <Delvien> I built a PC 4 years ago for 300 dollars and it runs Everquest 2 no lag
[01:50] <brodel> (AMD XP 2700+)
[01:50] <LjL> Delvien: of course i re-used quite some stuff, including the disks and the graphics card
[01:50] <Delvien> yeah :)
[01:50] <Snake_> I still use this too, but I ASSUME ive put 1200 into it, I fried up a 9800 in it, and a 2.6 P4
[01:50] <Delvien> ouchie
[01:50] <Snake_> Yea
[01:51] <Snake_> I was mad when my 9800 burned :(
[01:51] <brodel> ehh.. I can't afford PC gaming
[01:51] <Snake_> The new system i'm lookin into is going to cost me around 2,500 - 3k
[01:51] <brodel> new video card every 3 months or so.. damn all that.
[01:51] <Snake_> Haha forget that
[01:51] <Delvien> snake_ what are you looking t
[01:52] <Snake_> Another home built, but either a AMD x2 or a operten
[01:52] <Snake_> Still deciding
[01:52] <_crimson> Tcl configuration... found /usr/lib/tcl8.4/tclConfig.sh
[01:52] <_crimson> i get this
[01:52] <Delvien> dual core?
[01:52] <Snake_> The X2 is
[01:52] <_crimson> checking for Tk configuration... configure: WARNING: Can't find Tk configuration definitions
[01:52] <Delvien> cool
[01:52] <Delvien> im an intel guy 
[01:52] <Snake_> I was too
[01:52] <Delvien> =D
[01:52] <Snake_> I gave up on intel
[01:52] <nalioth> _crimson: you need libtk*-dev
[01:52] <brodel> I wish AMD made more for laptops
[01:52] <Snake_> Herd of DRM?
[01:52] <Delvien> when you fry 5 AMDs in a row just trying to build a PC , you tend to not buy them anymore, 
[01:53] <Delvien> cost me 400 bucks
[01:53] <Snake_> Delvien, have you herd of DRM?
[01:53] <brodel> I've never had an AMD chip die on me.
[01:53] <Delvien> whats DRM  stand for
[01:53] <brodel> Digital rights management
[01:53] <Snake_> Yep
[01:53] <Delvien> o , well yeah lol
[01:53] <Snake_> Intel secretly put it on all their new chips. It's a bad bad thing.
[01:53] <Delvien> sony did that kinda crap 
[01:53] <brodel> haha
[01:54] <Delvien> but i havent heard of anything about that from intel
[01:54] <brodel> You see their apology for that CD rootkit thing?
[01:54] <Snake_> HAHA did you guys hear about that whole sony crap??
[01:54] <Delvien> no
[01:54] <brodel> I actually had to respect them for that though.
[01:54] <Delvien> Snake_ yes
[01:54] <Snake_> hang on
[01:54] <Snake_> Yea
[01:54] <brodel> took them long enough, but they did admit it.
[01:54] <Snake_> Did you see that after you uninstall their protection, that it opens up another security hole?
[01:54] <Snake_> rofl
[01:55] <Delvien> I think DRM is such bs anyway, if they didnt overprice everything, not as many people would steal it
[01:55] <Snake_> Yep
[01:55] <brodel> http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/
[01:55] <Delvien> Snake_ exactly the reason i dont do ANYTHING but game on Windows
[01:55] <Snake_> I BOUGHT photoshop, after that, and this PC, I didn't have enough for dreamweaver, so I said screw it, piriate
[01:56] <brodel> and in Vista.. you will have to buy a special kind of monitor to watch HDDVDs on it
[01:56] <Snake_> Haha yea I herd about that
[01:56] <Snake_> Retarded
[01:56] <brodel> and XP won't be able to play them
[01:56] <Delvien> buy photoshop?  pshh i never have
[01:56] <Delvien> i have the MX studio :P
[01:56] <brodel> so do I
[01:56] <Snake_> Same
[01:56] <brodel> wouldn't know what to do with it though
[01:56] <Snake_> That and photoshop CS2
[01:56] <Delvien> onlything i use is Dreamweaver.
[01:57] <Delvien> so awesome...
[01:57] <Delvien> frontpage can go suck a donkey
[01:57] <brodel> I tried dreamweaver.. I suck
[01:57] <Snake_> Haha frontpage sux
[01:57] <Delvien> aye
[01:57] <Snake_> GoLive is alright
[01:57] <Snake_> To a extent
[01:57] <Snake_> But nothing beats good old fashion notepad
[01:58] <Delvien> taking about my GFs IBM laptop to see if she can have internal wifi
[01:58] <Snake_> What model?
[01:58] <brodel> #samba is dead
[01:58] <Delvien> R32
[01:58] <Snake_> Where you bringing it??
[01:59] <Delvien> umm to my lap.. i m taking it apart
[01:59] <Snake_> Ohhh
[01:59] <Snake_> :)
[01:59] <Snake_> IBMs suck to take apart...
[02:00] <Delvien> aye
[02:00] <Delvien> hmm
[02:00] <Delvien> memory is above PCI card.. BAH this sucks
[02:00] <Snake_> *nods*
[02:00] <Snake_> Do you have a repair guide?
[02:00] <Delvien> yep
[02:01] <Snake_> Good
[02:01] <Delvien> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-39792
[02:01] <Snake_> *nods*
[02:01] <Delvien> woops thats for R30.. hmm
[02:01] <Snake_> Should work anyway
[02:01] <Delvien> its not the same
[02:01] <Snake_> Like the T20,21,22, and 23 all come apart the same
[02:01] <Delvien> below the meory is the MB
[02:03] <stefan> can anyone help me ?
[02:03] <stefan> how to get java with kubuntu ??
[02:03] <stefan> because i think it is already installed
[02:04] <stefan> but i dont know where
[02:04] <Snake_> Hang on, let me get tech support :)
[02:04] <Snake_> LjL. Paging LjL
[02:04] <LjL> here
[02:05] <LjL> ah, don't ask me java
[02:05] <Snake_> Lol
[02:05] <stefan> :(
[02:05] <LjL> don't have it installed, and probably never will
[02:05] <Snake_> Hang on stefan
[02:05] <Snake_> okay?
[02:05] <stefan> okk
[02:05] <Snake_> Crap..where did that guide go...
[02:05] <stefan> well i think i only have to tell Firefox where java is
[02:05] <stefan> but i dont see any jre folder
[02:06] <Snake_> Are you in breezy?
[02:06] <stefan> stefan@KUbuntu:~/Desktop/Downloads$ java -version
[02:06] <stefan> java version "1.4.2"
[02:06] <stefan> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[02:06] <stefan> Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[02:06] <stefan> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[02:06] <stefan> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[02:06] <stefan> look
[02:06] <stefan> yes i am in breezy
[02:06] <Snake_> Okay
[02:06] <Snake_> Follow his
[02:06] <Snake_> this*
[02:06] <Snake_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-68565ae07a003332e82c9f23706638777396c249
[02:06] <stefan> *this
[02:07] <stefan> *this->
[02:07] <Delvien> AHHA !!! it has its own cover for mini PCI,but this thing is HUIGE !@!
[02:07] <Snake_> Stefan does that help?
[02:08] <stefan> the package is not available
[02:08] <stefan> its not in my repository list
[02:08] <Delvien> hey battery only lasts for an hour.. eek
[02:08] <Snake_> Did you sudo apt-get update?
[02:08] <stefan> like many other things
[02:08] <stefan> no
[02:08] <Snake_> Do that first
[02:08] <stefan> but i did update with Adept
[02:08] <Delvien> and her screen is the dullest, thing ever..
[02:09] <Snake_> Hmm did you activate extended regiestrys?
[02:09] <stefan> still not available
[02:09] <Snake_> ?
[02:09] <stefan> hmm now i uncommented the other reposes
[02:09] <stefan> i dunno about ext. reg
[02:10] <Snake_> resps** whatever
[02:10] <Snake_> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[02:10] <Snake_> Do that, then search for java (or do the sudo apt-get install j2re1.4 if your using the CLI)
[02:11] <LjL> !java
[02:11] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[02:11] <LjL> !javadebs
[02:11] <ubotu> javadebs is, like, totally, Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[02:12] <Snake_> ^^More info
[02:12] <LjL> yeah do try seveas' repos
[02:13] <stefan> ah that sounds good
[02:13] <Snake_> Hey LjL can you believe this: It took me like an hour and a half to get to 60% with mozilla, well its been 20 mins on this download manager and im at 42%
[02:14] <LjL> what downloader is that?
[02:14] <LjL> if it's downloading from multiple mirrors, that's no surprise
[02:14] <Snake_> "Free Download Manager"
[02:14] <Snake_> Nope, just one
[02:15] <LjL> well, once on linux, be sure to try axel and (nalioth's advice, i didn't know about it) prozilla
[02:15] <LjL> (and use wget for the more casual, short downloads)
[02:15] <Snake_> Whats prozilla do?
[02:15] <LjL> same as axel, basically, but i haven't tried it... i suppose it might search for mirrors using different sites, so perhaps one or the other finds more mirrors
[02:15] <nalioth> prozilla is a beast. it' multithreaded and can send each thread to different servers
[02:15] <LjL> also, axel (here) has the problem that sometimes it corrupts download
[02:16] <LjL> so i'll certainly try prozilla myself
[02:16] <nalioth> LjL: does axle send multiple threads to the same server?
[02:16] <LjL> nalioth: it can
[02:16] <nalioth> i love prozilla for it's brutality
[02:16] <brodel> how does that work? Do you have to open it up and put the link in it, or does it open when you start a download?
[02:16] <LjL> doing that might get you banned from some servers, though, one should be careful with that
[02:17] <LjL> brodel: i type "axel URL", or, i suppose, "prozilla URL" :)
[02:17] <Snake_> CLIs...
[02:17] <Snake_> er
[02:17] <Snake_> :)
[02:17] <brodel> oh
[02:17] <brodel> sounds like a pain
[02:17] <LjL> i mean, i suppose there *is* some way to integrate them with a given web browser... there is a way to integrate just about everything in linux
[02:18] <brodel> how does it know the other URLs?
[02:18] <brodel> (for the other mirrors)
[02:18] <BluesRocker> !arts
[02:18] <ubotu> BluesRocker: I give up, what is it?
[02:18] <LjL> why a pain, right-click, "copy link", F12 to get yakuake showing, "axel" and middle click
[02:18] <Snake_> Searches the file
[02:18] <LjL> brodel: it searches on some site that keeps tracks of mirrors
[02:18] <LjL> brodel: not sure which site right now
[02:19] <Snake_> I suppose it could also google the file name and find mirrors of it
[02:19] <LjL> brodel: or you can just give it the mirror yourself, of course
[02:19] <stefan> lach 
[02:19] <Snake_> ?
[02:19] <Snake_> Is that bad?
[02:19] <Snake_> Stefan
[02:19] <LjL> Snake_: hmm i'm not sure that would be very effective, with FTP for example
[02:19] <stefan> ?
[02:19] <Snake_> you said lach
[02:19] <Snake_> Is that good or bad
[02:19] <BluesRocker> Anyone has problem with arts engine when starting kubuntu (kde 3.4)?
[02:19] <stefan> yea
[02:19] <stefan> it means = lol
[02:20] <Snake_> Ah good. So you got java in??
[02:20] <stefan> not yet
[02:20] <Snake_> Damn
[02:20] <Snake_> :)
[02:20] <stefan> but i got the repository
[02:20] <stefan> and im installing it now
[02:20] <Snake_> kool
[02:20] <LjL> nalioth: hey, but prozillac isn't in the reps... :\
[02:21] <stefan> yea
[02:21] <nalioth> !info prozilla
[02:21] <stefan> where is prozilla ?
[02:21] <nalioth> yagottabekiddinme
[02:21] <BluesRocker> why don't you try aria?
[02:21] <nalioth> prozilla rocks!
[02:21] <Snake_> lol
[02:21] <nalioth> LjL: it's easy to build, and worth the time
[02:22] <LjL> nalioth: oh well, i'll try autodeb on it then ;)
[02:24] <LjL> hey, there's an acpi-support in breezy-updates... might that make hibernation work?! who knows?!
[02:24] <Snake_> lol
[02:24] <Snake_> Whats the diff between hib and session restore??
[02:24] <stefan> hmmm obviously adept hang up
[02:25] <LjL> Snake_: session restore is just a KDE (or Gnome) function to make the windows you had open re-appear (and, for "session-aware" programs, restore some of their states)
[02:25] <LjL> Snake_: hibernation actually save the *whole* RAM of your computer to disk (well it must also save the peripherals' state, which is the harder part) and restores it later
[02:26] <Snake_> ah
[02:26] <Snake_> Anyone play Soul caliber 3?
[02:26] <nalioth> Snake_: please join #kubuntu-offtopic to discuss games and such
[02:27] <Snake_> Hey cool! okay!
[02:27] <stefan> seveas doesnt respond
[02:27] <nalioth> no, seveas is away atm
[02:27] <stefan> darn
[02:28] <Snake_> Theres no one in offtopic :)
[02:32] <Snake_> Download at 70%
[02:33] <LjL> guess what, it takes about 15 minutes for me to download ubuntu :->
[02:33] <Snake_> ....
[02:34] <Delvien> ok?
[02:34] <Snake_> LjL You can stop showing off your penis now
[02:34] <LjL> :-P
[02:34] <Snake_> Just put it away
[02:34] <Snake_> :)
[02:34] <Delvien> mine is about a foot lo... i mean mine downloads at about 18 minutes
[02:34] <LjL> i mean, 15 minutes that's *while* watching webtv...
[02:34] <Snake_> Die.
[02:34] <Snake_> Wait till I get my lan Center open and i'm ridin T1.
[02:35] <LjL> T1 is slow
[02:35] <_crimson> can you help me with this?
[02:35] <Delvien> how much does t1 cost anyway
[02:35] <_crimson> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/432602
[02:35] <Delvien> LjL what isp type do you use
[02:35] <LjL> Fastweb, www.fastweb.it
[02:35] <Snake_> T1 is about 500-1500k a month
[02:35] <Snake_> Dollars
[02:36] <LjL> they give me fiber obtical, with IP telephony, IP tv and internet
[02:36] <Delvien> DSL/CABLE?
[02:36] <Snake_> Fiber optic
[02:36] <LjL> neither, it's fiber
[02:36] <LjL> there's the catch though, i'm behind a NAT
[02:36] <LjL> so i don't have a public IP address
[02:36] <Delvien> o..
[02:36] <Delvien> availabele anywhere else other than Italy :P?
[02:36] <LjL> i'm only visible from inside Fastwebnet (i.e. the MAN of fastweb users)
[02:36] <LjL> no
[02:36] <Delvien> my area just upgraded to fibre optics
[02:37] <Delvien> Well that does me no good... 
[02:37] <Snake_> LjL is italy nice?
[02:37] <Delvien> im on cable :) hehe
[02:37] <LjL> Snake_: could definitely be better
[02:38] <LjL> Snake_: i mean, the country is fine, a lot of nice things to see, but also too many problems
[02:38] <Delvien> thats every country though
[02:38] <LjL> well, not all of them are the same though... to begin with, not every country has half of its area governed by a criminal organization
[02:39] <LjL> anyway, we're way off topic
[02:39] <Delvien> check out what i created, :) http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31038
[02:39] <Delvien> well took someone elses thing, and completely revamped it
[02:40] <LjL> looks nice, though i'm a bit allergic to eye candy
[02:40] <Delvien> eye candy is the shiznit
[02:40] <arcanistherogue> nifty looking
[02:40] <LjL> not again
[02:40] <arcanistherogue> wowie jee wizz
[02:40] <Delvien> nice
[02:40] <arcanistherogue> what was that
[02:40] <Delvien> net split
[02:41] <arcanistherogue> net split?
[02:41] <arcanistherogue> o noes!
[02:41] <arcanistherogue> augh its happening on kde too
[02:41] <Snake_> What the hell was that
[02:41] <LjL> this is starting to look like IRCNet 7 years ago =)
[02:41] <Delvien> in other words bill gates farted
[02:41] <arcanistherogue> i dont know :D
[02:41] <Snake_> lol LjL
[02:41] <LjL> a netsplit is when two IRC servers that are connected to the same network "split", i.e. the connection between them falls (for example because there is a third server in the middle, and it crashes)
[02:41] <Snake_> Is italy nice?
[02:42] <Delvien> he said yes
[02:42] <Snake_> I didnt get it
[02:42] <Snake_> lol
[02:42] <Snake_> The network took a shat
[02:42] <Delvien> *shoots you with his m4)
[02:42] <Delvien> BF2 rox
[02:42] <arcanistherogue> wait i had a question on the kde irc
[02:42] <LjL> i said it's nice as a country but there are two many political and social problems for my likings
[02:42] <arcanistherogue> you guys could probably answer it though
[02:42] <arcanistherogue> can you use KDE icons in your site?
[02:42] <arcanistherogue> like a non commercial blog
[02:42] <arcanistherogue> are they free to use
[02:43] <Snake_> LjL I was thinking of taking a trip over there
[02:43] <Snake_> good idea?
[02:43] <Delvien> they should be under the free source license.
[02:43] <Delvien> GPL i beleive
[02:43] <LjL> free? no, they'll arrest you if you redistribute open source stuff for any purpose
[02:43] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[02:43] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[02:43] <Snake_> :-D
[02:43] <arcanistherogue> i sense sarcasm...
[02:43] <Delvien> arcanistherogue http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html
[02:43] <Snake_> Your sense would be correct....I thin...
[02:43] <Snake_> lol
[02:43] <LjL> Snake_: you mean, except that we're the only US allies left without a terrorist attack? yeah, besides that, yeah :)
[02:44] <arcanistherogue> so, bullshitting aside, i can do this?
[02:44] <arcanistherogue> use the icons?
[02:44] <Delvien> prolly
[02:44] <LjL> look at the license, but 99% yes
[02:44] <Delvien> if not nazis will rise from their graves and shot your big toes off,
[02:44] <Delvien> shoot*
[02:45] <Snake_> lol
[02:45] <Snake_> YAY Only an hour to download kubuntu
[02:45] <Snake_> lot better than 2 and a half with 2 restarts :)
[02:46] <Delvien> too many people are stingy about licsencing (too bad i cant spell it) and i think they should all be run over by a izuzu
[02:46] <brodel> Would ubuntu be at all bearable on a 450 MHz laptop with XFCE?
[02:46] <arcanistherogue> i dunno
[02:46] <Delvien> yeah should be
[02:46] <LjL> brodel: 450MHz? yeah
[02:46] <chaoticgeek> should be
[02:46] <arcanistherogue> i had it on a 150 MHz laptop with gnome and it cried 
[02:46] <LjL> brodel: some nice amount of RAM would be nice
[02:46] <arcanistherogue> :D
[02:47] <arcanistherogue> 64 MB
[02:47] <Delvien> 150 mhz hehehe
[02:47] <Delvien> hehehe
[02:47] <arcanistherogue> it was screaming
[02:47] <Delvien> heheheheheh he he h...
[02:47] <Snake_> Hey brodel, if it doesnt work, you can always uninstall the GUI :)
[02:47] <Delvien> lol
[02:47] <brodel> yeah and then what? ebay it? haha
[02:47] <Delvien> thats an option
[02:47] <Delvien> run strictly in code.
[02:47] <arcanistherogue> hey, where are the icons located by default
[02:47] <Snake_> LOL
[02:47] <Snake_> Exactly
[02:47] <chaoticgeek> I only ran xfce on my old 500 mhz box w/ 256 ram
[02:47] <Delvien> umm /usr/share/icons
[02:47] <arcanistherogue>  /usr/share/icons?
[02:47] <arcanistherogue> k
[02:48] <Snake_> Code is hard to run off...how do you view websites like that?
[02:48] <Snake_> lol
[02:48] <Delvien> you dont
[02:48] <Snake_> Damn
[02:48] <Snake_> DOS was before my time...
[02:48] <brodel> konversation used to turn red on another channel when someone talked.. it just seems to of stopped doing that all of a sudden
[02:48] <Delvien> DOS was crap
[02:48] <Snake_> That bad huh?
[02:48] <brodel> deltree c:
[02:48] <Delvien> only happens when someone is speaking to you brodel
[02:48] <brodel> ahh
[02:49] <brodel> ok
[02:49] <Delvien> Unix > dos 
[02:49] <brodel> there's an understatement
[02:49] <Delvien> i hate microsoft now, i used to love them
[02:49] <Snake_> lol
[02:49] <Delvien> till i discovered Linux
[02:49] <Snake_> I always hated them
[02:49] <LjL> dos is really really bad
[02:49] <Delvien> aye
[02:49] <Snake_> Ever since my first OS (W95) I hated them
[02:49] <Delvien> made by a man who slept under his desk
[02:49] <LjL> i was an AmigaOS user, and i was shocked using DOS
[02:49] <brodel> I don't like their whole philosophy on things
[02:50] <brodel> They make their own standards and force them on people to make sure they stay on windows
[02:50] <Snake_> Yea, if you dont complie, you lose out on something
[02:50] <Delvien> Well yeah.. thats the way the keep your money
[02:50] <brodel> That's how they don't get any of my money.
[02:50] <Delvien> im sumwhut new to linux though. about 3 months now
[02:50] <Snake_> 3 days ;)
[02:50] <brodel> The only thing I am gonna buy from MS is xbox related stuff :)
[02:51] <Delvien> lol
[02:51] <Snake_> I hate xbox
[02:51] <Snake_> PS3 is gonna own it
[02:51] <Delvien> seperate part of the co.
[02:51] <LjL> i'm quite new to "desktop" linux (though i've tried it first time, like, 6 years ago)
[02:51] <Delvien> snake_ duh
[02:51] <LjL> but i've been running debian for my server for quite long, like 3-4 years now
[02:51] <brodel> I have nothing against the PS3.. I know nothing about it though. I know the PS2 was a pos
[02:51] <Snake_> Thats BS
[02:51] <chaoticgeek> I want the nintendo revolution
[02:51] <Delvien> only thing wrong with PS3 is that it is made by Sony.
[02:51] <brodel> I had xbox.. then I got a PS2.. sold the PS2 in a month
[02:51] <chaoticgeek> lol
[02:51] <brodel> modded both.. 
[02:52] <chaoticgeek> I've got a gamecube
[02:52] <Snake_> The only thing the Xbox had over PS2 was that damn hard drive
[02:52] <brodel> ps2 was a joke
[02:52] <brodel> I have a gamecube too :)
[02:52] <chaoticgeek> and I like it better than the xbox or ps2
[02:52] <Delvien> nintendo is the worse of all game consoles, WAY too many fanboys , even more than sony fanboys
[02:52] <chaoticgeek> my room mate has a ps2, my brother has a ps2, and many of my freinds have xboxes
[02:52] <chaoticgeek> so I have played all 3 quite a bit
[02:52] <arcanistherogue> xbox here
[02:52] <arcanistherogue> i actually just did a mod 3 hours ago
[02:53] <arcanistherogue> i moddded the inline release thing to have a USB connector
[02:53] <brodel> The playstation 2 was all hype though. The console was junk. All hyped up as some super powerful thing.. 
[02:53] <arcanistherogue> so i can use it on my comptuer
[02:53] <chaoticgeek> Halo, the hard drive, and moddablity were the onlythings for the xbox
[02:53] <Delvien>  i dont like the Xbox mods, i beleive the only modding that should be done is to a PC or Laptop
[02:53] <chaoticgeek> ps2 I belived only had rpgs for it
[02:53] <Snake_> Not true
[02:53] <Snake_> GTA :)
[02:53] <chaoticgeek> and gamecube had multi-player
[02:53] <chaoticgeek> I hate GTA
[02:54] <chaoticgeek> it is so boring
[02:54] <arcanistherogue> yeah
[02:54] <Snake_> I love it
[02:54] <arcanistherogue> i dont see why everyone loves it
[02:54] <Snake_> Its a stress reliever
[02:54] <Delvien> I love BATTLEFIELD 2 !!!!
[02:54] <brodel> lol GTA.. that's PS2s audience.. kids wanting to be thugs
[02:54] <LjL> i love tetris and tetrinet
[02:54] <Snake_> How about Killzone?
[02:54] <Snake_> Or Gran Turismo?
[02:54] <brodel> Halo
[02:54] <brodel> PGR :)
[02:54] <chaoticgeek> What is GTA? Run around with some clunky controals to shoot and kill anything that moves
[02:54] <Delvien> i hate gran turismo
[02:54] <arcanistherogue> GT is decent
[02:54] <brodel> Actually GT was pretty good
[02:54] <Snake_> Rachet and clank?
[02:55] <Delvien> yuk
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> i liked final fantasy too o_o
[02:55] <Delvien> FF blows
[02:55] <Snake_> FF10, 10x2
[02:55] <Delvien> all FFs blows
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> no rly
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> psone 
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> those were the ones
[02:55] <brodel> XBOX has live.. multiplayer on PS2 is a joke and multiplayer is what keeps me playing.
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> ff7-9
[02:55] <arcanistherogue> and 6
[02:55] <Snake_> Delvien what games are good on console to you?
[02:55] <Snake_> I prefer PC over all consoles, but thats a diffrent fight
[02:55] <Delvien> Snake_ Call of Duty, Burnout. 
[02:55] <brodel> If it wasn't for live.. I would of sold the xbox a while ago
[02:55] <brodel> BURNOUT! :D
[02:56] <Delvien> Hell YEAH !@
[02:56] <Snake_> Burnouts cool
[02:56] <Delvien>                   aye
[02:56] <Snake_> Half Life 2
[02:56] <brodel> Too bad it's EA and I won't buy it.. but I love burnout.
[02:56] <Delvien>                                                                                                                                  Hitting the space bar is cool
[02:56] <arcanistherogue>                    ya
[02:56] <arcanistherogue> 
[02:56] <chaoticgeek> I really liked metroid prime and metroid prime echos
[02:56] <arcanistherogue> word
[02:56] <arcanistherogue> good stuff
[02:56] <Delvien> nintendo sucks
[02:57] <arcanistherogue> O_O
[02:57] <brodel> noun
[02:57] <Snake_> Hey hows this: PSP or DS.
[02:57] <arcanistherogue> aw hellz o
[02:57] <arcanistherogue> *no
[02:57] <Snake_> PSP.
[02:57] <Delvien> neither, had a PSP sold it for 200 bucks
[02:57] <brodel> PSPoo
[02:57] <Delvien> no good games, 
[02:57] <Snake_> Hey sweet, kubuntu is done!!
[02:57] <Delvien> and nintendo DS games are all too kiddie
[02:57] <Snake_> ill brb guys
[02:57] <brodel> PSP looks great.. but they're are no decent games. Lumines was the best I ever saw for it.
[02:57] <Delvien> GTA was nice for it, too bad im not a GTA fan
[02:58] <brodel> Bah.. GTA.. can't believe it went on as long as has.
[02:58] <arcanistherogue> anyone here besides me want a GPX2 <_<
[02:58] <Delvien> GPX2?
[02:58] <arcanistherogue> http://gpx2.com
[02:58] <Delvien> oh wait that crappy knock off PSP?
[02:59] <Delvien> will turn out just like the GIZMONDO did.. failure.
[02:59] <arcanistherogue> hax and lies!
[02:59] <Delvien> it looks cheap too
[03:00] <arcanistherogue> well igotta go study for my test
[03:00] <arcanistherogue> see you guys later
[03:00] <Delvien> lata
[03:00] <brodel> I've never seen that. That looks pretty cool.
[03:01] <Delvien> takes double AAs ... eek
[03:02] <Delvien> dual core.... power consumption monster.. , this thing is a POS
[03:02] <chaoticgeek> I wanna get a DS
[03:02] <chaoticgeek> the metroid game on that was fun
[03:03] <brodel> anyone know a cheap modem I could add on to this laptop that would work in ubuntu?
[03:03] <brodel> I just bought a damn USB modem.. that doesn't work.
[03:04] <chaoticgeek> so bored
[03:04] <Delvien> play BF2
[03:04] <chaoticgeek> I should study Java gui's 
[03:04] <chaoticgeek> stupid java class
[03:04] <Delvien> read http://www.notebookforums.com/ :P
[03:04] <chaoticgeek> no thanks
[03:04] <Delvien> :P
[03:05] <Snake_> Hey im back
[03:05] <Delvien> crap !
[03:05] <Delvien> hehe jk
[03:05] <Snake_> Die.
[03:06] <fatejudger> how do I tell Konqueror to use arts to output sound?
[03:06] <fatejudger> the option moved
[03:06] <Delvien> slap it and call it sally
[03:06] <Snake_> Hmm I still got about 3 hours of civics work to do...should I install kubuntu or do that?
[03:06] <Delvien> kubuntu
[03:06] <Snake_> Thats what I was thinkin
[03:07] <Snake_> LjL WTF!!!
[03:07] <Snake_> Why is my linux not working :(
[03:08] <Delvien> what do you mean not working
[03:08] <Snake_> "Loading /install/initrd.gz...........................................................isolinux: Disk error 80, AX = 4200, Drive 9F
[03:09] <Delvien> corrupt iso methinks
[03:09] <Snake_> FUUUCKKKK
[03:09] <Snake_> Are you joking?
[03:09] <Snake_> Crap. Can't swear. SORRY!
[03:09] <Delvien> i couldnt get a iso of kubuntu that worked.. had to install ubuntu preview and do all the upgrades
[03:09] <Snake_> oh. no.
[03:09] <Snake_> i dont have time to redownload all this!
[03:10] <Delvien> use your ubuntu CD
[03:10] <Snake_> What ubuntu CD>
[03:10] <Snake_> The one I cut up and threw away??
[03:10] <Delvien> silly boy, dont do that next time
[03:10] <Snake_> Argh.
[03:10] <Delvien> why would you cut it up?
[03:11] <_crimson> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/432641 someone could help?
[03:11] <Snake_> I cut up all my CDs (paranoia)
[03:11] <Snake_> If any thing goes in that trash, I shread it
[03:11] <Delvien> lol ... you wierd ass people and your CD destroying.. like anyone cares
[03:11] <Delvien> all you have to do is scratch the label off them.. 
[03:11] <Snake_> I shread it
[03:11] <Delvien> even one thick line will do it
[03:11] <Snake_> :)
[03:12] <Delvien> thats just dumb imo
[03:12] <brodel> is there a list somewhere of what's installed on the "server" install?
[03:12] <Delvien> unless you have some kind of personal info on them
[03:12] <brodel> Snake_: just do what I do.. put the CDs in the microwave
[03:12] <Delvien> way too far out of my leage _crimson try #ubuntu
[03:12] <Snake_> lol
[03:12] <Delvien> im tired
[03:13] <Snake_> Does that really work brodel ?
[03:13] <brodel> yes
[03:13] <Snake_> Haha slick
[03:13] <Snake_> I never done it
[03:13] <brodel> put the label side down so it touches the bottom and put it in there for 5 seconds or until it's *done* (you'll know when)
[03:14] <Delvien> Sigh, take a spoon and scratch one line through the label ( the part you write on) so you can see through the CD, it works, effecient, and better than putting them in the microwave
[03:14] <brodel> much faster and it's fun :D
[03:14] <Snake_> on 5 seconds?
[03:14] <Snake_> Only*
[03:14] <Delvien> mine takes 1 second
[03:14] <Snake_> lol
[03:14] <brodel> yours isn't enough for me
[03:15] <brodel> plus it leaves a mess :)
[03:15] <Delvien> not really
[03:15] <Snake_> lol
[03:15] <Delvien> shredding it is messier
[03:15] <brodel> true
[03:15] <Snake_> not reallly
[03:15] <brodel> microwve it :)
[03:15] <Snake_> Mine goes right in the trash :)
[03:15] <brodel> no fuss no mess
[03:15] <Delvien> well you shouldnt need to shred CDs anyway, 
[03:15] <brodel> or you could just be big boy and get a CD shredder
[03:16] <brodel> I shred a lot of my CDs
[03:16] <brodel> some stuff I don't care.. 
[03:16] <Snake_> My shreader ate its 21 page manual as a appitite
[03:16] <Snake_> It was sweet
[03:16] <brodel> but some of it I wouldn't let leave the house.
[03:16] <Snake_> appitizar**
[03:16] <Snake_> lol
[03:16] <Delvien> dont lie , you all shred them because it makes you feel important !!
[03:16] <Snake_> lol
[03:17] <Snake_> sometimes
[03:17] <Snake_> >.>
[03:17] <Snake_> :)
[03:17] <Delvien> lies !
[03:17] <brodel> I shred them because I don't want people getting it and reading it
[03:17] <Snake_> I shread them because....I can.
[03:17] <brodel> well.. I don't shred
[03:17] <brodel> but microwave 
[03:17] <Delvien> you think someone digging through your trash will have a computer !:P
[03:17] <Snake_> Maybe
[03:17] <Delvien> paranoid people here. 
[03:18] <brodel> copies of MS office we made for work.. microwaved them to make sure no one else was able to use our key
[03:18] <Delvien> Well all work related stuff i understand
[03:18] <brodel> Some are more concerned with taking a little extra work to make it more secure is all.
[03:18] <brodel> just like my router has a built in firewall.. but I took a PC and made it into a smoothwall 
[03:20] <Snake_> lol
[03:20] <Snake_> Hey Delvien, it was the disk
[03:20] <Delvien> nice
[03:20] <Snake_> I must have burned it onto a bad disk, I reburned and it works
[03:21] <Delvien> cool
[03:21] <Delvien> just hope not to get the RSOD
[03:21] <Snake_> Debian is so easy to set up
[03:21] <Snake_> RSOD?
[03:21] <Delvien> red screen of death
[03:21] <Snake_> Lol yea
[03:21] <Delvien> happens in ubuntu/kubuntu installs if something is wrong
[03:21] <Snake_> I've seen it
[03:22] <Snake_> Any RSOD is better than a BSOD
[03:22] <Snake_> :)
[03:22] <Delvien> aye
[03:22] <Delvien> im gonna lay on my couch like a bum and watch some G4
[03:22] <Ayiden> anyone know what you need to download to b able to properly play quicktime files (.mov files)?
[03:22] <Ayiden> !quick time
[03:22] <ubotu> Ayiden: I give up, what is it?
[03:22] <Delvien> OS X?
[03:23] <Ayiden> !quicktime
[03:23] <ubotu> quicktime is, like, totally, read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support (via w32codecs), or see w32codecs
[03:23] <Delvien> later taters.
[03:23] <Snake_> C ya
[03:23] <Ayiden> -later-
[03:23] <Snake_> btw, I r not a tater...
[03:23] <Snake_> Ubotu, whats up?
[03:23] <ubotu> nothing much mate, you ?
[03:24] <Snake_> same stuff diffrent day
[03:24] <Snake_> brodel: you still alive?
[03:25] <Knowerrors> Anyone here try using either Symphony OS desktop, or SimpleKDE with Ubuntu?
[03:25] <Snake_> Nope
[03:25] <Snake_> I think Symphony will be nice
[03:25] <Snake_> is its still in testning?
[03:26] <nalioth> that factoid is wrong 
[03:26] <nalioth> quicktime support has nothing to do with w32codecs
[03:27] <Snake_> Uh oh ubotu  is wrong?!
[03:27] <Snake_> Lol
[03:27] <nalioth> the bot is only as good as the crap he is fed
[03:27] <Snake_> lol
[03:27] <Snake_> Crap in --> crap out
[03:27] <Snake_> !quicktime
[03:27] <ubotu> rumour has it, quicktime is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information on quicktime support (via w32codecs), or see w32codecs
[03:28] <nalioth> !info libquicktime1
[03:28] <ubotu> libquicktime1: (A library for reading and writing Quicktime files), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 261 kB, Installed size: 820 kB
[03:28] <Snake_> Who runs that bot?
[03:29] <chaoticgeek> ubuntu I would assume since the info page is on ubuntu.org
[03:29] <Snake_> Yes, but someone has to be incharge of inputting all the info
[03:29] <Snake_> He should link to the unoffical guide sometime
[03:29] <Snake_> That was a great help to me
[03:30] <Snake_> http://ubuntuguide.org/ (That may answer every noob question I ever had)
[03:30] <chaoticgeek> I still have not read that guide
[03:30] <Snake_> Very good guide, specially for refrence
[03:30] <chaoticgeek> I winged it and used the forums
[03:30] <chaoticgeek> and this place
[03:31] <Snake_> lol
[03:31] <chaoticgeek> but I do have a small collection of linux books and I do have some, not much, prior linux knowladge
[03:31] <nalioth> Snake_: no no no no dont do taht
[03:31] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[03:31] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[03:32] <nalioth> ubuntuguide is guaranteed to break your breezy box
[03:32] <Snake_> Oh well it worked for me when I was on hoary :)
[03:32] <chaoticgeek> I need some better speakers
[03:32] <nalioth> Snake_: the ubuntuguide was written for warty warthog, and has not kept up. it is way out of touch with breezy
[03:32] <Snake_> Oh, wow. That's pretty old
[03:33] <Snake_> but Revision: 4.17 (Last updated on 2nd August 2005)
[03:33] <chaoticgeek> I just say wing it
[03:33] <chaoticgeek> you'll end up getting the hang of (k)ubuntu sooner or later
[03:34] <chaoticgeek> I just dived right in two years ago with "learn linux in 24 hours" that came with mandrake 7.something I think
[03:34] <Snake_> breezy's install screen is pretty
[03:35] <Snake_> much better than hoary and windows
[03:35] <chaoticgeek> from there I fixed my network problems and got went to the internet
[03:35] <chaoticgeek> take the got out
[03:35] <Snake_> I just have trouble remebering all the CLI commands
[03:36] <chaoticgeek> the linux bible was a good help too
[03:36] <robotgeek> Snake_: man/apropos :)
[03:36] <Snake_> ?
[03:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Snake_ about cli
[03:36] <nalioth> Snake_: http://www.cmm.uklinux.net/steve/ntt.html
[03:37] <chaoticgeek> and Linux Pocket Guide, which helped me so much with getting fimilar w/ the terminal
[03:38] <chaoticgeek> I still have the linux pocket guide in my desk drawer, just in case
[03:38] <chaoticgeek> ls -alh
[03:38] <chaoticgeek> tar xvf or xjf
[03:38] <Snake_> God I love linux's commu
[03:38] <Snake_> Thanks guys
[03:38] <chaoticgeek> depending on if its .gzip or .bz2
[03:38] <Snake_> commun*
[03:39] <chaoticgeek> I'm not as good as some others, like the people who can rattle off a whole line of text for one command
[03:39] <Snake_> I think I like the linux commun more than windows, because everyone can run windows...while linux, everyone was a noob once...they know what its like
[03:39] <Snake_> lol
[03:39] <Snake_> If you ask someone for help with windows, they laugh, brag, then help
[03:41] <Snake_> breezy takes a longtime to install ....
[03:41] <chaoticgeek> I still know what it is like
[03:41] <chaoticgeek> to be nooby
[03:42] <Snake_> lol
[03:42] <Snake_> Hey is it possible to make a shortcut on my desktop to a folder??
[03:42] <chaoticgeek> ummm...
[03:43] <Snake_> I couldn't figure out a way
[03:43] <nalioth> Snake_: yes it is
[03:43] <nalioth> Snake_: where is the folder?
[03:43] <Snake_> On a NTFS drive
[03:43] <Snake_> I mount the drive, then what
[03:43] <Snake_> It's hdb1 (If you need that_
[03:44] <nalioth> Snake_: open a console and type "cd Desktop" <enter> and then "ln -s /path/to/folder/ name_of_folder_on_desktop
[03:45] <Snake_> ok
[03:45] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Snake_ about cli
[03:45] <nalioth> Snake_: get to readin
[03:45] <Snake_> haha
[03:45] <nalioth> it will help you in ways you can't comprehend
[03:45] <Snake_> Hang on im loading up breezy
[03:45] <Snake_> This is so much cooler than hoary
[03:45] <richard> Anybody know if Kubuntu has had the admin mode fixed. I couldn't set up (enable or disable ) Wifi selection . Buttons locked up . . . 
[03:45] <Snake_> oo...that opening sound SUXs.
[03:46] <nalioth> richard: have you updated recently?
[03:47] <richard> Problem being is I can't get onto the internet with the Wifi . ... it's disfunctional in the Admin Mode. 
[03:48] <nalioth> richard: then you're in a catch-22
[03:48] <richard> I'm presently using Ubuntu and Mepis on this computer, but wanted to have Kubuntu because of it's cutting edge approach to software. 
[03:48] <nalioth> richard: find a hardline and update
[03:48] <Snake_> How do you do a dist update??
[03:49] <richard> Ubuntu and very nice and Mepis is in the process of updating very slowly . . .. along with Debian. .. .
[03:49] <chaoticgeek> type apt-get and it will tell you tword s the top
[03:49] <nalioth> Snake_: "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:49] <chaoticgeek> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <Snake_> Ah thanks
[03:49] <chaoticgeek> I'm just a lil slow
[03:50] <Snake_> lol
[03:50] <richard> Question, why don't these distro's update their ISO images as fixes are applied so that the very latest can be had?
[03:51] <Snake_> That would be common sense, great minds don't have that ;)
[03:51] <Snake_> :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> richard: good question, wish they did.  I know they do daily cd's during late testing for the next version
[03:52] <richard> It seems that Kubuntu has been behind the ball on some of these problems with their software. . . I was amazed that they would come out with 'breezy' as quickly to keep pace with 'Ubuntu' only to find out that it had major software bug problems. . ..
[03:53] <Hobbsee> richard: which bugs?  seems some of them came with kde 3.4.3
[03:54] <Hobbsee> beta1 or the rc1 of kde3.5 seems far more stable
[03:54] <richard> The problems that I've had with Kubuntu is with there specialized admin mode screen and some of the key functions that lock up when enabling Wifi. 
[03:55] <_crimson> hi, someone could help?  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/43267
[03:55] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[03:55] <Hobbsee> sorry _crimson - no lynx on here yet
[03:56] <nalioth> wow thats cool. crimsun that's an empty pastebin
[03:56] <nalioth> crap
[03:56] <nalioth> _crimson: that's an empty pastebin
[03:58] <_crimson> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/432676
[03:58] <_crimson> forgot the last 6
[03:58] <richard> Anyone try Ubuntu? It's pretty smooth. (I prefer Kde. .. but feel Gnome is nice and the graphics pretty smooth when you add in additional artwork for borders, splashscreens, Icons, etc. )
[04:00] <richard> Good talking to you all. ... ..
[04:01] <_crimson> nalioth: what you think?
[04:02] <generallee5686> if i get 2285fps in glxgears, does that mean my 3d acceleration is working?
[04:02] <nalioth> _crimson: i have 0 clue.
[04:02] <nalioth> generallee5686: yes it is working
[04:03] <generallee5686> k good, now my 2nd question, when i rebooted, the resolution went to 1024.768 and it wont let be go any higher?
[04:03] <generallee5686> i need to be at 1280x800, and my xorg.conf does have that resolution in it
[04:05] <_crimson> ok
[04:07] <nalioth> ubotu: tell generallee5686 about fixres
[04:08] <Hobbsee> much quieter in here now...
[04:08] <generallee5686> i put my xorg.conf in pastebin if that helps
[04:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell generallee5686 about fixres
[04:09] <nalioth> i am tired 
[04:09] <generallee5686> i got it
[04:09] <generallee5686> sorry
[04:09] <nalioth> sorry generallee5686 
[04:09] <generallee5686> didnt see the message
[04:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell generallee5686 about xcfg
[04:10] <nalioth> generallee5686: see the xcfg msg and run the command. UNselect the resolutions you want and select the one you do
[04:28] <Cornwall52> tell generallee5686 about xcfg
[04:29] <Cornwall52> ubotu: tell generallee5686 about xcfg
[04:31] <nalioth> generallee5686: any luck with the x reconfigure?
[04:35] <generallee5686> mmm not really
[04:35] <generallee5686> i think my refresh rates are messed up
[04:36] <generallee5686> for horizontal it says 30-67 and vertical is 30-60, this is a laptop
[04:36] <nalioth> lcd panels have no refresh rates
[04:36] <generallee5686> should i take out those lines then?
[04:37] <nalioth> did you select "find my hardware automatically?"
[04:37] <generallee5686> yea
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> argh, klibido forgot all my settings.
[04:37] <generallee5686> it was working fine before i installed fglrx
[04:38] <generallee5686> 1280x800
[04:38] <nalioth> there should have been a section of questions about selecting lcd or tube monitors
[04:38] <generallee5686> hmm
[04:38] <generallee5686> ill do it again
[04:38] <nalioth> generallee5686: now i understand. ATI has screwed you (you are not the first and will not be the last)
[04:41] <generallee5686> i got the driver to work flawlessly on ubuntu
[04:42] <nalioth> then it should work fine now, x/k/ubuntu are the same
[04:42] <generallee5686> yup
[04:42] <generallee5686> whats xubuntu
[04:43] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[04:43] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[04:43] <generallee5686> oh thats cool
[04:44] <generallee5686> but yea there was no question for lcd monitors
[04:44] <nalioth> strange
[04:46] <generallee5686> ok gotta try again
[04:46] <generallee5686> brb
[05:20] <crimson> hi can you help me with this?  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/432744
[05:21] <fatejudger> is there a way to close tabs using a middle click in Konq?
[05:25] <fatejudger> why can't I use the enter key next to my number pad on my keyboard in Speed Crunch?
[05:28] <crimson> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/432744
[05:28] <fatejudger> ?
[05:48] <techniq> hi.. I've just recently decided to try out kubuntu (coming from suse 10) and had a question regarding the repositories.. are all / any debian repostories compatable with kubuntu
[05:49] <kkathman> techniq: not completely no
[05:49] <kkathman> you need to use the ubuntu repos
[05:49] <crimsun> not really binary-compatible. Almost completely source-compatible, though.
[05:49] <techniq> i c..  is there a good site(s) to search for reposities such as like apt-get.org?
[05:50] <kkathman> techniq: you can use apt-cache search at the CLI
[05:51] <kkathman> or use a variety of package tools that come with the install
[05:51] <techniq> I'm trying to find a repository for an app that is not currently in my current repositories
[05:52] <techniq> webmin.. for instance, but figure I will find others
[05:53] <kkathman> apt-cache search webmin brings back alot of things if you have the right sources
[05:53] <kkathman> !info webmin
[05:53] <ubotu> webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.230-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1154 kB, Installed size: 6368 kB
[05:54] <techniq> where can I find those sources ;)
[05:55] <kkathman> !sources
[05:55] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:55] <kkathman> you'll want breezy most likely if you have a recent install
[05:59] <techniq> thanks.. I think I may just have to enable the universe source..  I have webmin now :)
[05:59] <techniq> thanks for the help
[06:06] <JonasNZ> how can i teach my box to sleep / suspend to disk?
[06:07] <kkathman> maybe give it Lunestra?
[06:08] <skypa> lol
[06:08] <JonasNZ> i take it thats some sort of sleeping pill ?
[06:08] <JonasNZ> lol
[06:08] <skypa> It might OD from that :)
[06:18] <kkathman> yah it is :)
[06:19] <mustard5> raaaawr!
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> I keep having problems where applications will now start. I get the lil bouncing icon but
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> they just never end up starting
[06:20] <mustard5> I'm too bored staring at the walls and listening to mine gran telling me the same stories I heard 20 times last wekk
[06:20] <RedLeader> so you've just got a bouncing icon, but no program?
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> yep
[06:20] <RedLeader> sounds like fun
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> I just tried to get amarok to load twice
[06:20] <beefsprocket> i get that with synaptic all the time
[06:20] <RedLeader> a new ms product windows bounce!
[06:21] <chaoticgeek> its not just amarok, I have problems w/ kate
[06:21] <chaoticgeek> and kaffine
[06:21] <beefsprocket> i find it is mostly gtk apps
[06:22] <chaoticgeek> 4 times to try and get amarok to go and no go
[06:22] <beefsprocket> tried it from a terminal?
[06:22] <chaoticgeek> trying it now
[06:22] <beefsprocket> you can also try prepending "strace" and see if any errors come up at the end
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> no luck trying to launch it from terminal
[06:23] <beefsprocket> any error?
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> nope, it just sits there
[06:24] <beefsprocket> might check for any decrepit process(es) lying around
[06:24] <beefsprocket> no idea though -- as I said, same thing happens to me
[06:24] <chaoticgeek> kate is working now
[06:24] <sophie_> chaoticgeek: try running sudo kbuildsycoca
[06:24] <sophie_> chaoticgeek: and after your application
[06:26] <sophie_> whres chaoticgeek gone
[06:27] <RedLeader> ms fix mebbe?
[06:32] <celerate> hi
[06:33] <celerate> is anyone here availble to help?
[06:33] <RedLeader> ask, someone will probably anwser
[06:34] <celerate> ok, I was wondering if there was an updated package for the drivers for the AR5212
[06:34] <RedLeader> not a clue
[06:34] <RedLeader> anyone?
[06:36] <celerate> I saw the instructions on how to compile them myself, but the other nic on that computer isn't supported either so there's no internet access whatsoever, therefore getting the kernel source and updating it is going to be real pain if I can't get the ar5212 working, or the other nic
[06:40] <celerate> Guess I'll have to come back and ask again later. Thanks anyway RedLeader.
[06:40] <celerate> bye
[06:42] <LinuxBrick> quick noob question here
[06:42] <LinuxBrick> why is there no /etc/ld.so.conf file?
[06:44] <kkathman> dont know what an ld.so file is supposed to do?
[06:44] <crimsun> LinuxBrick: because there doesn't need to be
[06:45] <crimsun> LinuxBrick: I presume this is a fresh Breezy install.
[06:45] <kkathman> kinda thought that was the answer crimsun :)
[06:45] <crimsun> in previous versions, like Warty, there was an /etc/ld.so.conf because we had libs in /usr/X11R6/lib
[06:45] <crimsun> Breezy does away with that
[06:45] <LinuxBrick> okay
[06:46] <LinuxBrick> So what controls the shared library paths?
[06:46] <crimsun> the same as any other distro, ldconfig.
[06:47] <crimsun> we just have everything necessary by default in /usr/lib, which is the default location anyhow.
[06:47] <crimsun> err, /lib and /usr/lib
[06:48] <crimsun> if you need to add a path for ldconfig, use the same file
[06:48] <crimsun> i.e., /opt/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
[06:48] <crimsun> then rerun sudo ldconfig
[06:48] <LinuxBrick> k
[07:08] <JonasNZ> whats the best place to look for help trying to get suspend to ram working, if i try sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh i get a bit of black screen, then I see my gfx card details like on boot and then i get blue bars
[07:13] <JonasNZ> how do i get apt-get upgrade to see amarok 1.3.5?
[07:28] <kubuntu_guy> jonasNZ have you upgrade your source list?
[07:32] <hussam> kubuntu_guy: is amarok 1.3.5 available through apt-get ?
[07:36] <kubuntu_guy> try searching google. because I already update my repo and still my amarok version 1.3.1
[07:36] <hussam> ok
[07:36] <hussam> kubuntu_guy: oh wait, I found packages here http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.5/
[07:46] <kubuntu_guy> k hussam
[07:47] <kubuntu_guy> hussam have you try your ubuntu to be a samab server or any server like mail 
[08:01] <gigcs> please advise  command sign key  of package.
[08:01] <hussam> kubuntu_guy: sorry no
[08:01] <crimsun> gigcs: come again?
[08:03] <gigcs> advise command sign  key  give package.
[08:04] <gigcs> command sign key package.
[08:04] <aftertaf> he wants the command to sign packages i think
[08:04] <crimsun> debsign -k<id> foo.changes
[08:09] <hussam> how do I backport a simple application? I downloaded the orig.tar.gz , the .diff.gz and the .dsc for that application. now how do I build the deb?
not command sign key with .deb 
[08:19] <crimsun> gigcs: you don't sign a deb, you sign the .changes (or the .dsc, which is included in the .changes)
[08:19] <pc22> how do u run a vnc server?
[08:20] <aftertaf> pc22:   good question. dunno :)
[08:21] <pc22> aftertaf, hehehe
[08:23] <gigcs> crimsun:but package not .changes and .dsc . 
[08:23] <gigcs> crimsun:How sign key 
[08:25] <crimsun> gigcs: as in "How do I sign a GPG key?"
[08:25] <crimsun> gpg --sign-key "Name that You wish to sign"
[08:26] <crimsun> see the GPG documentation
 thank you.
[08:32] <JonasNZ> is there a way of upgrading to amarok 1.3.5 using the repos i cant find anything newer than 1.3.1 in the repos
[08:33] <aftertaf> !info amarok
[08:33] <ubotu> amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2:1.3.1-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 5191 kB, Installed size: 13888 kB
[08:33] <aftertaf> ahh. correct
[08:34] <JonasNZ> yet 1.3.5 is sitting on kubuntu.org/packages
[08:34] <aftertaf> a shameless lie :)
[08:35] <crimsun> JonasNZ: no one's lying
[08:35] <crimsun> 1.3.1 is in breezy. 1.3.5 will not go into breezy.
when use command apt-key update   
[08:36] <crimsun> gigcs: did you read wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary ?
[08:37] <crimsun> I wrote the basics there.
[08:38] <JonasNZ> crimsun, so i have to download the .deb's ?
[08:38] <JonasNZ> and dpkg them?
[08:38] <crimsun> JonasNZ: put the repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then update and upgrade
[08:38] <crimsun> the instructions are on that Web page
[08:39] <kubuntu_guy> guys can you tell me how to I join in fedora group
[08:40] <aftertaf>  /j #fedora ?
[08:41] <gsuveg> re
[08:42] <gsuveg> me dont work the suspend with 3.5x
[08:42] <gsuveg> it possibel to start suspend on console ?
[08:42] <JonasNZ> crimsun, i cant find info for amarok, the only thing that looks like a repo is the kde51rc
[08:44] <crimsun> JonasNZ: erm, front page of kubuntu.org ?
[08:44] <crimsun> read the big glaring "Amarok 1.3.5 Released with Kubuntu Packages" story
[08:44] <JonasNZ> yeah, and i go into the amarok1.3.5 page and its just a couple of dpkgs
[08:45] <crimsun> you need to read the _entire_ page.
[08:45] <crimsun> as in, "move your eyes down two centimeters"
[08:46] <JonasNZ> as in theres nothing there about an apt repo!
[08:47] <crimsun> argh
[08:47] <aftertaf> gsuveg:  i think so but dont know how offhand.... man apm !
[08:47] <gsuveg> gsuveg@notebook:~$ apm -S
[08:47] <gsuveg> No APM support in kernel
[08:47] <JonasNZ> crimsun, are you looking at this page? http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.5.php
[08:48] <crimsun> I'm looking at the archive pool
[08:48] <crimsun> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.5/
[08:48] <aftertaf> gsuveg:  ahh. kernel not compiled for apm?
[08:48] <crimsun> I supposed jr just needs to be asked for Package.gz
[08:49] <crimsun> or you can generate it yourself
[08:49] <crimsun> Packages.gz, rather
[08:49] <JonasNZ> which  isnt an apt repo
[08:49] <crimsun> it's only "not" because it's missing a Packages.gz, which is fairly trivial to create manually.
[08:49] <crimsun> in any case, just download the 1, 2, or 3 debs you need
[08:50] <JonasNZ> yeah, which is wat im doing i just got confused when you said bang it into sources.list and update upgrade
[08:50] <crimsun> I thought there was a Packages.gz you could use
[08:51] <JonasNZ> :)
[08:51] <JonasNZ> dw the n00b forgives you
[08:54] <gigcs> crimsum:How  about redistro package kubuntu install cd . 
[08:54] <gsuveg> aftertaf: before 3.5 upgare it worked
[08:55] <crimsun> gigcs: I'm having a very difficult time understanding you
[08:56] <aftertaf> 3.5 upgrade,
[08:56] <aftertaf> w
[08:56] <aftertaf> eh?
[08:58] <gigcs> crimsum:Do you know ubuntu-keyring  package? 
[08:59] <crimsun> gigcs: what about it?
[09:00] <gigcs> crimsun: package use  redistribution ubuntu.
[09:00] <gigcs> or kubuntu
[09:00] <crimsun> gigcs: what?
[09:02] <gigcs> crimsun: never mind.
[09:03] <JonasNZ> !multiverse
[09:03] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[09:13] <sfazruzs> hi all!
[09:18] <gigcs> Who can  add/remove package   on distribution kubuntu install cd  ?
[09:20] <crimsun> gigcs: the lead can, but please don't rouse him right now; he's in a meeting.
[09:20] <kairu0> hey all
[09:24] <sfazruzs> who previously using windows XP?
[09:24] <kairu0> me
[09:24] <sfazruzs> u know about FTP prog?
[09:25] <sfazruzs> such as filezilla?
[09:25] <sfazruzs> is the any prog for ftp for kubuntu?
[09:25] <aftertaf> sfazruzs:  loads of them search in adept or synaptic
[09:25] <aftertaf> kbear is one
[09:25] <sfazruzs> ok thanx
[09:25] <aftertaf> apt-cache search ftp
[09:26] <gigcs> crimsun: when i can ask him?
[09:26] <kairu0> there are lots of ftp programs for kde
[09:26] <kairu0> kbear is easy to use
[09:26] <crimsun> gigcs: please wait 30 mins, he's currently in a meeting.
[09:27] <gigcs> crimsun:thank you.
[09:27] <sfazruzs> y i dont have kbear?
[09:29] <aftertaf> sfazruzs:  sudo apt-get install kbear
[09:30] <sfazruzs> type at the 'run command'?
[09:31] <sfazruzs> sorry,i'm a newbie at this kubuntu
[09:32] <Dark_Sith> morning peeps
[09:36] <sfazruzs> i have a problem right now..
[09:36] <sfazruzs> i want to install java 5.0..
[09:36] <sfazruzs> i downloaded the file..
[09:36] <sfazruzs> i want to install.
[09:37] <skypa> !java
[09:37] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:37] <skypa> !javadebs
[09:37] <ubotu> somebody said javadebs was Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[09:37] <sfazruzs> i typed at the terminal..
[09:37] <sfazruzs> it ask my pwd..
[09:37] <Dark_Sith> anyone having problems that when you install java, firefix crashes?
[09:37] <sfazruzs> i type then it said authentication failure..
[09:38] <hanseatic> hi, how can i activate the boot.log in k-breezy?
[09:42] <sampan> how do i kill a process that won't die with sudo kill -9 #  ?
[09:44] <ilba7r> anyone know how to change the keyboard layout to write with languages other than english (arabic to be specific)
[09:44] <hanseatic> where? kde?
[09:45] <ilba7r> any where kde or gnome i have them both
[09:45] <ilba7r> i used to do it in hoary but can not do it in breezy
[09:45] <hanseatic> you should have been able to set language and keyboard during installation
[09:45] <hanseatic> sampan top
[09:45] <ilba7r> i did that
[09:46] <hanseatic> the language set needs to be installed !!!
[09:46] <ilba7r> and installed the language package latter again
[09:46] <sampan> hanseatic  it's not listed in top -- it's not using resources, but because it's not killed but it's stalled, i can't restart the app (k3b)
[09:46] <sampan> and that's a wee bit of a problem
[09:46] <ilba7r> hanseatic I used it in hoary so already before
[09:47] <ilba7r> but some how do not want to work in breezy or i forgot how to set it or menus changed. Am really frustrated here
[09:47] <ilba7r> sampan try killall name
[09:47] <ilba7r> it might be running a daemon too like nautilus
[09:48] <sampan> ilba7r  just tried that -- still there
[09:52] <aftertaf> sambagirl:  you in gnome? look for kio process too
[09:52] <aftertaf> oops
[09:57] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[09:57] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[09:57] <viviersf> ello 
[09:57] <viviersf> do you by any chance know
[09:57] <viviersf> when i run kdesu
[09:58] <viviersf> i can set : remember password
[09:58] <viviersf> where is that stored in ?
[09:58] <Riddell> viviersf: probably in kwallet
[09:58] <hanseatic> i don't think kwallet stores su passwords...
[09:58] <viviersf> sniff
[09:58] <aftertaf> viviersf:  it isnt.... it means the timeout on sudo without needing a password is different/longer/nonlonger used for the s ession (dunno which)
[09:59] <Riddell> aftertaf: nah, it's not that
[09:59] <viviersf> yeah Riddell 
[09:59] <aftertaf> hehehe
[09:59] <viviersf> it will never ask for that command again
[09:59] <aftertaf> until reboot
[09:59] <viviersf> it should keep it
[09:59] <aftertaf> Riddell:  hi. what Is it then? i've never really grasped it either ;)
[09:59] <viviersf> see aftertaf 
[10:00] <viviersf> no aftertaf see
[10:00] <viviersf> the impi cd boots into kde
[10:00] <kubuntu_guy> guys having problem joining in one channel, username should register to the freenode, my problem I dont know how to register, I follow thier procedure but still Im not able to join fedora channel
[10:00] <kubuntu_guy> can youy help me pls
[10:00] <Riddell> aftertaf: well it means kdesu remembers the password, but it doesn't affect sudo itself
[10:01] <_sfazruzs> how to install java to the firefox?
[10:01] <aftertaf> ok.... i see, and it remembers for how long?
[10:01] <aftertaf> kubuntu_guy:  go to #ubuntu-unregged and follow their guidelines...
[10:02] <viviersf> and then from kde you run the kde installer
[10:02] <viviersf> but i dont want the kdesu to ask a password
[10:02] <viviersf> nor do i want to run kde as root
[10:02] <aftertaf> !tell _sfazruzs about javadebs
[10:03] <gigcs> crimsun: i wait 30 minute . he ready answer my. 
[10:03] <aftertaf> wtf? you set an alarm? ;)
[10:03] <crimsun> gigcs: ask Riddell 
[10:03] <_sfazruzs> !javadebs
[10:03] <ubotu> it has been said that javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[10:03] <crimsun> gigcs: the meeting just wrapped up a few minutes ago
[10:04] <Riddell> kubuntu_guy: /msg chanserv help
[10:04] <Riddell> kubuntu_guy: /msg nickserv help  rather
[10:04] <viviersf> gigcs, your english .....
[10:04] <viviersf> that made no sence
[10:04] <gigcs> no,
[10:05] <viviersf> gigcs crimsun: i wait 30 minute . he ready answer my. 
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> i cant fetch that file:(
[10:05] <viviersf> erm ....
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> Fetched 16.8kB in 1s (11.6kB/s)
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> Failed to fetch http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> Reading package lists... Done
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sg.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:05] <_sfazruzs> u see?
[10:07] <gigcs> Riddell:i have question ?
[10:07] <Riddell> gigcs: mm hmm?
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> is only available from another source
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sg.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> what's wrong with my kubuntu?
[10:08] <viviersf> _sfazruzs, change the sg.archive.ubuntu.com to us.archive.ubuntu.cmo
[10:08] <viviersf> *com
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> where to change?
[10:08] <_sfazruzs> and how to change?
[10:09] <gigcs> Riddell:i experiment add package on kubuntu install cd .
[10:09] <berkes> after my update to breezy my kaffeine is horribly broken;
[10:09] <berkes> I already tried an apt-get remove pruge and then an new install, but some files are missing
[10:09] <viviersf> _sfazruzs, use synaptic or do this
[10:09] <viviersf> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:09] <berkes> kaffeine_part.desktop is not there, and I cannot find where to get it from
[10:09] <gigcs> Riddell:but i  see apt step fail . in test install.
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> is only available from another source
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sg.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list <---then?
[10:10] <viviersf> yes
[10:10] <viviersf> and change all the sg.
[10:10] <berkes> _sfazruzs: do you ave adept?
[10:10] <viviersf> to us.
[10:10] <viviersf> or yes
[10:10] <viviersf> use adept
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> yes..
[10:10] <viviersf> just change your download mirrot
[10:10] <_sfazruzs> yes,i have..
[10:10] <viviersf> *mirror
[10:11] <_sfazruzs> how and where to change?
[10:11] <berkes> _sfazruzs: use the edit shources thing there
[10:11] <hanseatic> how can i activate the boot.log?
[10:11] <gigcs> Riddell:  Please explan.
[10:11] <berkes> _sfazruzs: it is file >> manage repositories
[10:12] <gigcs> Riddell:Please explan.
[10:13] <kubuntu_guy> aftertaf  thanks
[10:13] <Riddell> gigcs: you need to explain better what you are doing and trying to achieve
[10:13] <Riddell> viviersf: spooky, the source code doesn't seem to actually keep it anywhere, it's a mystery
[10:14] <kubuntu_guy> riddell I already try that, what should be my nickserv my nickname like this /msg kubuntu_guy help
[10:14] <viviersf> rofl @ Riddell 
[10:14] <viviersf> thats just f...ked up
[10:15] <viviersf> just "remembers" it
[10:15] <viviersf> kde > gnome
[10:15] <viviersf> its got AI ;p
[10:16] <_sfazruzs> guys..
[10:16] <_sfazruzs> help..i'm stuck again...
[10:17] <_sfazruzs> i change to us like u guys said..
[10:17] <_sfazruzs> but still can't..
[10:18] <berkes> who uses kaffeine here?
[10:18] <hanseatic> kaffeine... yes
[10:18] <berkes> hanseatic: in breezy? 
[10:18] <Riddell> viviersf: hmm, it does some different stuff when calling su/sudo so maybe it does just count on su/sudo to keep the password
[10:18] <hanseatic> kubuntu breezy
[10:19] <berkes> hanseatic: q fresh install or an upgrade+?
[10:20] <berkes> I found that the upgrade broke my kaffeine, on a fresh install it just works
[10:20] <_sfazruzs> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:20] <_sfazruzs> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:20] <_sfazruzs> is only available from another source
[10:20] <_sfazruzs> E: Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate
[10:20] <_sfazruzs> what to do.....
[10:20] <berkes> _sfazruzs: that is because you were poking around earleri
[10:21] <berkes> _sfazruzs: update the packages and then repair it 5i forgot the commandline flags for that)
[10:22] <_sfazruzs> sudo apt-get update <---type this right?done already..
[10:23] <_sfazruzs> but still cannot..
[10:23] <gigcs> Riddell:i use kubuntu. And i add package font  on  install cd .  i add ubuntu-keyring and  test install . 
[10:24] <gigcs> Riddell: ubuntu-keyring pass when i test add package font .i see error "apt step fail"
[10:25] <kubuntu_guy> guys thanks my username is now registered
[10:26] <hanseatic> berkes i dont know if it is upgraded
[10:26] <gigcs> Ridddell:i don't understand .Please explain.
[10:27] <berkes> hanseatic: i mean: did you have kubuntu hedghoc and then upgraded to breezy?
[10:28] <gigcs> Riddell: explain ubuntu-keyring relation  add package .
[10:30] <cyne> has anyone got jagged alliance 2 working in breezy?
[10:34] <gigcs> Riddell: Please explain . i dont' understand.
[10:34] <gigcs> i am student 
[10:35] <gigcs> Riddell:hhh mm
[10:36] <sfazruzs> how to change my mirror?
[10:37] <aftertaf> !sources
[10:37] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:39] <gigcs> Riddell:i wait you.
[10:41] <aftertaf> sfazruzs:  have you enabled universe & multiverse?
[10:41] <sfazruzs> i dont know..
[10:41] <sfazruzs> how to check?
[10:43] <monad> hi... where do i find something like /etc/conf.d/net on kubuntu?
[10:43] <morrow> monad: man interfaces
[10:43] <sfazruzs> how to check?
[10:44] <bimberi> monad: /etc/network/interfaces
[10:45] <sfazruzs> afteraf,how to enable universe and multiverse?
[10:46] <aftertaf> sfazruzs:  look at the sources link above...
[10:46] <aftertaf> !sources
[10:46] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:46] <aftertaf> or this one^
[10:47] <aftertaf> and open synaptic, or your sources.list in a text editor with sudo, see what you have in there....
[10:47] <aftertaf> you can type sudo kate /etc/apt:sources.list
[10:47] <monad> hi... where do i find the file for my network settings, like /etc/conf.d/net or something?
[10:47] <bimberi> monad: /etc/network/interfaces
[10:47] <aftertaf> monad:  someone answered you vefore!!!
[10:47] <aftertaf> ;)
[10:47] <monad> sorry... rebooted in the meantime
[10:48] <aftertaf> lol ok ;)
[10:48] <bimberi> monad: ah :)
[10:48] <monad> another question: is it possible to switch off kdm and do console logins? 
[10:48] <sfazruzs> i dont have synaptics..
[10:48] <sfazruzs> i cant find my synaptics
[10:48] <monad> i need to be able to do root logins and startx as root
[10:49] <aftertaf> startx as root is not a good idea at all.
[10:49] <bimberi> monad: running X as root is bad security
[10:49] <monad> i know... it'S my professor'S machine and he does stuff like that. don't ask me
[10:49] <aftertaf> sfazruzs:  look for adept
[10:49] <Riddell> gigcs: I have no idea what you're asking
[10:50] <skypa> monad, sudo passwd root to enable the root account
[10:50] <aftertaf> monad:  but you can stop kdm from running yeah, use update-rc.d to remove kdm
[10:50] <bimberi> monad: well he needs a good lecture :P
[10:50] <monad> bimberi: he works exclusively as root, no way of convincing him to do otherwise
[10:50] <bimberi> *(s)he
[10:50] <berkes> can anyone do a "locate kaffeine_part.desktop" for me pls?
[10:50] <aftertaf> monad:  not good for him.
[10:51] <monad> aftertaf: sigh
[10:51] <aftertaf> you can run x as user and have a terminal wher you sudo 
[10:51] <aftertaf> berkes:  /home/user/Desktop ??
[10:51] <berkes> monad: tell him that eventhough he might want it, it often is simply not possible, due to the very nature of the system
[10:52] <berkes> aftertaf: is that a guess?
[10:52] <monad> berkes: i might, but right now, i need to fix this and make his crap possible, otherwise i'm going to have a shit day
[10:52] <gigcs> Riddell:you not make kubuntu.
[10:52] <berkes> monad: :)
[10:52] <skypa> so monad, enable to root account and login, where's the problem? ^^
[10:53] <skypa> to=the
[10:53] <monad> it's like that...
[10:53] <berkes> monad: trying things that are not meant to be can give you a shit day too 
[10:53] <monad> sorry... i'm new to kubuntu, just installed a new system yesterday. normally i run gentoo
[10:53] <monad> so how does this update-rc.d work? 
[10:54] <monad> is there a way to see what'S running on what level with rc
[10:54] <aftertaf> berkes:  yu :)
[10:54] <aftertaf> man update-rc.d
[10:54] <bimberi> monad: man update-rc.d
[10:54] <aftertaf> ?
[10:54] <monad> ...
[10:54] <berkes> no-one who can give the outpup of "locate kaffeine_part.desktop" please?
[10:55] <bimberi> manipulates shortcuts in /etc/rc#.d
[10:55] <bimberi> s/shortcuts/sybolic links/
[10:55] <aftertaf> david@dell:~$ locate kaffeine_part.desktop
[10:55] <aftertaf> /usr/share/services/kaffeine_part.desktop
[10:55] <berkes> aftertaf: thhanks
[10:58] <stefan> hey
[10:58] <sfazruzs> !javadebs
[10:58] <ubotu> hmm... javadebs is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/java/
[10:58] <stefan> does anyone know any java ..
[10:58] <stefan> ahh
[10:59] <stefan> that wont work
[10:59] <extraord1nary> Is possible to someone tell my how I can to install the program lwp-8.6.skz
[10:59] <stefan> the seaveas server are down or something
[10:59] <sfazruzs> what's the diff between 'deb' and 'deb-src'?
[11:00] <stefan> deb-src is source files
[11:00] <stefan> deb are packages
[11:00] <sfazruzs> and deb?
[11:00] <bimberi> sfazruzs: deb = binary packages
[11:00] <sfazruzs> then how do i download the java?
[11:00] <extraord1nary> Please tell me
[11:01] <_hirs> gi
[11:01] <stefan> if i only knew
[11:01] <stefan> we need another repos
[11:01] <stefan> for java
[11:01] <stefan> one that does work
[11:02] <sfazruzs> i need java to run on my firefox...anyone have any idea?
[11:02] <berkes> babahbah
[11:03] <berkes> fsking upgrade is horrible
[11:03] <stefan> try Blackdown Java
[11:03] <stefan> i think that might work
[11:04] <hanseatic> how do i activate boot log?
[11:05] <sfazruzs> in my adept,i cant find blackdown java..
[11:05] <sfazruzs> how can i get it?
[11:06] <_hirs> any one has been able to install mplayer from debian-marillat on breezy?
[11:06] <stefan> i dont think it works over adept
[11:06] <_hirs> when I do a apt-get install mplayer-k6 I get:
[11:06] <stefan> you have to download the binary directly from web
[11:07] <stefan> google blackdown java
[11:07] <_hirs> mplayer-k6: Depende: libdirectfb-0.9-20 pero no es instalable
[11:07] <stefan> http://gd.tuwien.ac.at:8090/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html
[11:07] <_hirs> I have libdirectfb-0.9-22 in the sources, but wont install
[11:07] <extraord1nary> Hello,please tell me how i can to install liquid???
[11:07] <sfazruzs> k,thanx
[11:08] <_hirs> and for some reason kaffeine crashes every time I close it
[11:08] <bimberi> _hirs: mplayer-k6 is available in ubuntu's multiverse repository, don't use marillat
[11:09] <stefan> i wonder, java is already installe
[11:09] <_hirs> there is another repository to get mplayer package?
[11:09] <stefan> d
[11:09] <stefan> but firefox wont find it yet
[11:09] <stefan> but so wont konqueror
[11:09] <_hirs> bimberi: thanks
[11:09] <bimberi> _hirs: np :)
[11:10] <bimberi> !info j2re1.4
[11:10] <ubotu> j2re1.4: (Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 21982 kB, Installed size: 58892 kB
[11:10] <bimberi> sfazruzs: it's available in ubuntu's multiverse repository ^^^
[11:11] <bimberi> ubotu tell sfazruzs about repos
[11:11] <kairu0> hey all
[11:11] <bimberi> stefan: fyi ^^^
[11:12] <sfazruzs> !repos
[11:12] <ubotu> I heard repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[11:12] <aftertaf> please read links when we send them to you for problems and answers.......
[11:12] <stefan> hm
[11:12] <berkes> _hirs: kafeine sucks big time
[11:13] <berkes> _hirs: just google for it and youll find issues all over the place. :)
 sfazruzs: it's available in ubuntu's multiverse repository ^^^ <------where is it?adept?
[11:13] <_hirs> berkes: the UI is far better than mplayer
[11:13] <stefan> but i cant find it in adept
[11:13] <berkes> _hirs: a small thin you cuold do is install kaffeine-xine it makes kaffeine a little bit more stable
[11:14] <berkes> _hirs: thats because mplayer has no gui :)
[11:14] <stefan> !easysource
[11:14] <ubotu> from memory, easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:14] <_hirs> berkes: I did, I hate that enormous gstreamer
[11:14] <_hirs> berkes: well I mean gmplayer
[11:14] <berkes> kmplayer is a far better gui, kaffeine breaks about every KDE  HIG there is 
[11:14] <kairu0> there is kmplayer? i didnt know that
[11:15] <berkes> kairu0: there is, but not in kubuntu
[11:15] <_hirs> kmplayer: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10004
[11:15] <kairu0> berkes, as in not in the repo?
[11:15] <l3m> where can i get the w32codecs for ubuntu?
[11:15] <berkes> i just cannot get it why kubuntu decided to go for kaffeine. it is known for being extremely unstable, very unfriendly etc.
[11:15] <berkes> kairu0: as in: not in the repos indeed
[11:16] <bimberi> sfazruzs: once you enable multiverse it will be available in adept yes
[11:16] <Riddell> berkes: what would you prefer?
[11:16] <bimberi> !w32codecs
[11:16] <ubotu> w32codecs is, like, binary only codecs that some call evil. One possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:16] <berkes> Riddell: kmplayer. 
[11:16] <bimberi> l3m: ^^^
[11:16] <l3m> mplayer-nogui is the  best anyway - why would anyone want to use a mouse to click tiny buttons when you can do everything with keys? ;)
[11:16] <Riddell> berkes: depends on mplayer, which has legal issues
[11:16] <l3m> bimberi: thaks
[11:16] <l3m> thanks
[11:16] <bimberi> l3m: np
[11:16] <sfazruzs> guys..
[11:16] <berkes> Riddell: I have used that on Mandrake w/o any hassle for ages
[11:16] <sfazruzs> confuse right now..
[11:16] <bimberi> berkes: mplayer is non-free
[11:17] <sfazruzs> i want to download JAVA..
[11:17] <berkes> Riddell: ah, legal issues, yea. 
[11:17] <Riddell> berkes: mplayer is free in theory, it just has legal issues (unsure copyright, patents)
[11:17] <l3m> sfazruzs: apt-get install java-package, get the sun binary, and run make-jpkg 
[11:17] <sfazruzs> then for i386,there is 4 folders,01,02,fcs and rc1..
[11:18] <berkes> Riddell: fair enough to choose kaffeine then. Though i am pretty sure it turns away quite some people. 
[11:18] <berkes> Riddell: how does ubuntu solve this?
[11:18] <hussam> Riddell: I hear dapper's kaffeine does not crash. can the crash fix be ported to breezy-updates?
[11:18] <sfazruzs> i type,apt-get install java-package but nothing happen..
[11:18] <sfazruzs> what's that suppose to mean?
[11:18] <stefan> because its not in the repos
[11:18] <Riddell> berkes: solve which?
[11:18] <_hirs> there is also kplayer, but the ui is horrible
[11:19] <Riddell> hussam: don't believe everything you hear
[11:19] <bimberi> sfazruzs: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin ...
[11:19] <bimberi> !pastebin
[11:19] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:19] <stefan> look
[11:19] <stefan> its already installed
[11:19] <berkes> Riddell: legal issues wrt mpeg codecs w32codecs etc
[11:19] <hussam> Riddell: ok that's cool.
[11:19] <Riddell> berkes: we don't ship w32codecs.  mplayer is in multiverse
[11:20] <berkes> Riddell: kay
[11:20] <kairu0> firefox and gmail arent playing friendly-like 
[11:20] <berkes> Riddell: bu does ubuntu not ship with any w32codecs then?
[11:20] <sfazruzs> bimberi, after i pasted it?
[11:20] <Riddell> berkes: no distribution does
[11:20] <sfazruzs> then now what i have to do?
[11:21] <bimberi> sfazruzs: i'll have a look :)
[11:21] <janushead> hi. naive question. since this morning, i get an error message for my 5.10 installation when is start Adept, saying "The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that."
[11:21] <berkes> Riddell: mandrake did, only when you bought it, but it did;
[11:21] <Riddell> berkes: no, it wouldn't I'm sure.  the copyrights are owned by microsoft, apple, real etc
[11:22] <berkes> Riddell: i have the cdrom here; I can show it to you.
[11:22] <Riddell> berkes: ok
[11:23] <hussam> berkes: in that case, they probably have to pay MS , real and  apple to redistribute the codecs.
[11:23] <sfazruzs> bimberi..
[11:23] <hussam> berkes: mandrake I mean
[11:23] <berkes> hussam: indeed. that is actually the only reason they chanrge for the CDs
[11:24] <berkes> charge. Because the patentholders do not agree on free distribution
[11:24] <l3m> bimberi: i'm too stupid. can you give me the apt line for seveas?
[11:24] <sfazruzs> bimberi,i still cant download the blackdown
[11:24] <bimberi> sfazruzs: ok, you need to edit that file...
[11:24] <berkes> media:/hdd/Applications/RealPlayer-Codecs-9.0-2mdk.i586.rpm
[11:25] <monad> hi... another question... i saw that kubuntu synchronizes with its own nto server at boot, now it doesn't anymore. how can i fix this?
[11:25] <monad> ntp, that is
[11:25] <berkes> anyway; is kmplayer in some repository too?
[11:25] <bimberi> sfazruzs: uncomment line 019 and add " multiverse" to the end
[11:26] <bimberi> l3m: sec :)
[11:26] <hussam> berkes: actually, MS won't let you let you distribute modified versions of their package installers, so if you have a winmediacodecs.exe package, the only way they might agree to let you distribute it is as the original .exe and not a deb or rpm
[11:26] <bimberi> l3m:  deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ breezy-seveas all
[11:27] <berkes> hussam: yea, i cannot find the codecs right here and now, but there are some dlls on the mandrake cdrom
[11:27] <bimberi> sfazruzs: while you're at it, best to uncomment lines 032 and 035, and add " multiverse" at the end of 035
[11:28] <stefan> juha
[11:28] <sfazruzs> so i change 'universe' to multiverse?
[11:28] <stefan> i got blackdown in adept
[11:28] <stefan> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:28] <l3m> bimberi: thanks
[11:28] <bimberi> sfazruzs: no, leave universe and add multiverse (with a space in between)
[11:28] <stefan> use this for generating a sources.list
[11:28] <bimberi> l3m: np
[11:28] <sfazruzs> ok..
[11:29] <sfazruzs> do i need to put multiverse in line 32?
[11:30] <bimberi> sfazruzs: no, just uncomment
[11:30] <sfazruzs> what's that mean?
[11:31] <bimberi> sfazruzs: remove the # at the start of the line
[11:31] <sfazruzs> in my adept,there's no '#'..
[11:31] <sfazruzs> how to uncomment?
[11:33] <l3m> bimberi: i get 403 forbidden when trying to apt-get install w32codecs
[11:33] <hussam> ok folks, see ya tomorrow
[11:33] <bimberi> sfazruzs: ah, if there's no # it's probably ok
[11:33] <bimberi> l3m: gah, that means Seveas hasn't fixed the permissions on his server yet :/
[11:34] <sfazruzs> ok,i'm trying to update..
[11:34] <sfazruzs> thanx for helping..
[11:35] <sfazruzs> really appreciate it..
[11:36] <bimberi> sfazruzs: np :)
[11:37] <sfazruzs> wat's the diff btwn runtime and SDK?
[11:37] <l3m> ..manually dl'ing and installing debian-marillat w32codecs 
[11:37] <l3m> arghl
[11:37] <l3m> ;/
[11:38] <bimberi> sdk is Software Development Kit (iirc) - ie. includes compilers etc.
[11:38] <sfazruzs> ooo...
[11:38] <aftertaf> l3m:  why?
[11:39] <aftertaf> !restricted
[11:39] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:39] <bimberi> l3m: apologies for leading you up that garden path :/
[11:39] <stefan> Maybe
[11:39] <l3m> bimberi thanks for helping man ;) 
[11:39] <stefan> Someone can tell me where the things I install are installed at all ?
[11:39] <stefan> in which directory
[11:39] <l3m> bimberi: luckily, the codecs don't usually change often, and when seveas works again, it should replace the old ones.. ;)
[11:40] <bimberi> stefan: dpkg -L <package> will show you
[11:40] <stefan> ahh
[11:40] <stefan> cool
[11:40] <stefan> wait a mom
[11:40] <bimberi> stefan: probably in too much detail :P
[11:40] <bimberi> l3m: :)
[11:40] <stefan> if only i knew the name of the package
[11:41] <stefan> o=3
[11:41] <stefan> lol
[11:43] <stefan> ya
[11:43] <stefan> yay
[11:43] <stefan> i got the plugin
[11:43] <stefan> now i have to link it to firefox
[11:46] <sfazruzs> how to reg in this irc?
[11:46] <skypa> /msg nickserv help
[11:46] <skypa> :)
[11:46] <viviersf> Riddell, fixed that kde su thing for me , changed sudoers file for live cd only
[11:47] <viviersf> then i restore it on installation
[11:48] <sfazruzs> do we need to authenticate our nickname?
[11:48] <stefan> Yaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
[11:48] <stefan> Java Running
[11:48] <stefan> yayyyyyyyyyy
[11:48] <sfazruzs> hehehe..
[11:48] <stefan> ;-)
[11:48] <sfazruzs> u guys play runescape?
[11:48] <berkes> bah
[11:49] <stefan> oh.. i play carnageblender
[11:49] <Riddell> viviersf: what was the problem?
[11:49] <Riddell> viviersf: what did you change?
[11:49] <berkes> any hints on how to get kmplayer installed
[11:49] <berkes> ive tried the plf repos, the marillat repos but all w/o suceess
[11:50] <viviersf> Riddell, i just made su not ask for a password 
[11:50] <viviersf> :p
[11:50] <viviersf> will be restored to normal after install
[11:51] <viviersf> and yes sudo keeps the password for the session
[11:51] <Riddell> viviersf: aah
[12:22] <stefan> ehm
[12:22] <stefan> how do you create a directory ?
[12:22] <stefan> md ?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaise1> mkdir
[12:25] <stefan> thx
[12:25] <stefan> hmm its not ntfs
[12:25] <stefan> what else could it be ?
[12:25] <sfazruzs> stefan..
[12:25] <sfazruzs> u installed java just now,am i right?
[12:25] <stefan> yes
[12:26] <sfazruzs> how do u press 'OK' or 'accept' at the 'Binary Code License Agreement'?
[12:27] <sfazruzs> can u help me on this?
[12:27] <stefan> use enter
[12:27] <stefan> maybe u have to clikc into the window with mousebutton
[12:27] <doodz> yeah, get all that point and click out of your head
[12:27] <doodz> not windows anymore
[12:27] <doodz> hehe
[12:27] <sfazruzs> ok thanx
[12:28] <sfazruzs> then how about the 'Grant the "stopThread" RuntimePermission?',what does that mean?
 not windows anymore <-----i'm really new to linux system...:P
[12:30] <doodz> same
[12:30] <doodz> :)
[12:30] <stefan> dont grant it
[12:30] <doodz> i dont even no what to do with a .deb file
[12:30] <doodz> is it an executable ?
[12:31] <stefan> dpkg -i name.deb
[12:31] <stefan> to install it
[12:31] <stefan> its a package
[12:31] <doodz> awesome :)
[12:31] <sfazruzs> ok
[12:31] <sfazruzs> done...
[12:32] <stefan> :)
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> doodz: it's an installable package for apps
[12:35] <doodz> i messed something up
[12:35] <doodz> telling me lib files now found, i'm sure its becouse i trying to install a package from source first
[12:35] <doodz> then i installed it from package
[12:35] <doodz> heh
[12:36] <doodz> *not
[12:37] <sfazruzs> what's the diff between typing su and sudo?
[12:37] <monad> hi... can anyone tell me why the synch with kubuntu's ntp server at boot doesn't work anymore?
[12:38] <stefan> sudo does something as root.. su only switches to root
[12:38] <monad> sfaz: with su you really switch to root
[12:39] <sfazruzs> oh,okies..
[12:39] <monad> but with su, the -c option also enables you to run a command
[12:39] <monad> like su -c halt
[12:40] <monad> while with sudo, you don't have to know the root passwd
[12:40] <monad> so... anyone here who can tell me about the ntp server?
[12:41] <aftertaf> monad:  you need to have an active net connection by the time it runs that service
[12:43] <monad> aftertaf: you don't say... :-P
[12:44] <monad> aftertaf: it worked fine at the first boot after installing, rebooted again today and got a "failed" message
[12:44] <monad> i can of course do it manually every time, but i liked that it did it on startup
[12:45] <aftertaf> monad:  how do you connect to the net?
[12:45] <monad> aftertaf: fixed IP, it's a university machine
[12:45] <monad> online all the time
[12:45] <aftertaf> monad:  ok. no firewall or proxy?
[12:46] <aftertaf> fixed public ip?
[12:46] <monad> #1 no
[12:47] <monad> btw... how do i switch to verbose while booting?
[12:47] <aftertaf> dunno... :/
[12:48] <monad> shucks ;-)
[12:48] <aftertaf> asking in ubuntu ;)
[12:49] <aftertaf> remove splash from the kernel command line.
[12:49] <aftertaf> in the grub menu.lst
[12:51] <aftertaf> 3 ways:
[12:51] <aftertaf> 1 edit grub (defeinitive)
[12:51] <aftertaf> 2
[12:51] <monad> i love 3ways
[12:51] <aftertaf> 2 during boot: <alt><f1>   <alt><f8>
[12:51] <aftertaf> 3 during grub: move to your menu entry, hit 'e', remove 'splash' and boot
[12:51] <monad> you think it might help?
[12:51] <aftertaf> 3 ways was the morning........
[12:52] <monad> ;-0
[12:53] <aftertaf> oooh nasty
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, I'm harsh today ;)
[12:53] <aftertaf> !lart Kamping_Kaiser 
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> eeek
[12:54] <aftertaf> loool
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> speaking of which, i have that installed :D
[12:54] <aftertaf> really?
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> solaris for x86, build 21
[12:54] <aftertaf> with george clooney?
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's using Gnome, 2.8
[12:56] <monad> aftertaf: i downgraded to tarkowski
[12:56] <monad> takes longer, though
[12:56] <aftertaf> what the???,
[12:57] <monad> hm?
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. did i miss anything?
[12:57] <monad> everything happened while you were away
[12:57] <monad> should've seen it..
[12:57] <monad> t'was a blast
[12:58] <aftertaf> yeah.. lines and lines of it too
[12:58] <monad> never seen anything like it
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'(
[12:58] <aftertaf> loooooooooooool
[12:58] <monad> while you were kamping...
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[01:00] <monad> aaaah
[01:00] <monad> that felt good...
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...
[01:01] <monad> ..godic
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://planetquake.ingame.de/models/camper/index.php
[01:11] <monad> good choice brainmelt
[01:11] <brainmelt> lol
[01:13] <monad> btw... how do you do that, changing your name
[01:13] <bimberi> monad: /nick newnick
[01:22] <monad> kubuntu, though, seems to be the wrong place
[01:35] <_hahaboy> I have installed fcitx. But how to make it run when i log in? Thanks
[01:42] <_hahaboy> Anybody can answer my question? bow~~~~
[01:44] <Kimppa> Hello. Does anyone know some remote control (hardware) which works on kubuntu? I'm a bit lazy, so I'd like to have a way to switch my mp3, pause my movie or whatever while lying in my bed :)
[01:44] <tapanim> gam_server makes me crazy, it uses whole ram and cpu :/
[01:45] <Mars_^> Hi I need some help. I dont know how to install flash plugin for Opera. I dont have any idea about it. Can someone help me?
[01:47] <_hahaboy> Can you read chinese?
[01:49] <nxv_> hi
[01:52] <Mars_^> I can read Japanese :)
[01:53] <nxv_> can i transfere an debian system into an ubuntu system by just changing the source list? is it secure? i want to do it on a vserver
[01:58] <andriusburokas> hello, I've just installed kubuntu on top of ubuntu, how can I change default file manager from Nautilus to konqueror?
[02:02] <_hahaboy> i once read an article written on chinese about how to install flashplayer on opera
[02:03] <_hahaboy> it's said ubuntu is based on debian unstable
[02:03] <marwan> i have problem with sound can any one help me
[02:04] <_hahaboy> i dont know whether debian deb can be used
[02:04] <_hahaboy> try setup on conxole
[02:05] <marwan> ok thanks
[02:07] <jsubl2> !tell jsubl2 about sources
[02:08] <kkathman> in general you cant use debian binaries from their repos, but you can use sources or debs.
[02:17] <djk_> kkathman: familiar with usb-gamepads?
[02:20] <kkathman> djk_: not at all, sorry
[02:24] <wahyu> ffffffffffff
[02:28] <wahyu> hhhhhhhhhhhh
[03:04] <tvo> OT: anyone knows whether there are any other decimal seperators other than `.' and `, ' in use on earth?
[03:07] <dipnlik> tvo: - ?
[03:07] <tapanim> is there anything to do for gam_server???
[03:07] <tapanim> it takes 60% of my cpu
[03:08] <tapanim> this is a big problem...
[03:08] <K_Kaiser> kill it
[03:08] <nalioth> tapanim: upgrade
[03:08] <tvo> dipnlik: you mean 1-2 is in use for 1.2 somewhere ?
[03:09] <tvo> then , how do they write 1-2=-1 ?
[03:10] <tapanim> nalioth: there is nothing to upgrade
[03:10] <nalioth> tapanim: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:11] <dipnlik> tvo: don't think - can be used as a decimal separator everytime, but MAYBE this can be useful in one or two cases. don't know
[03:12] <tapanim> nalioth: i don't know :) must be stupid today...
[03:13] <nalioth> tapanim: open  a konsole and type "cat /etc/issue"
[03:13] <tapanim> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"
[03:14] <nalioth> tapanim: gam_server should only run for short amounts of time
[03:15] <tapanim> but why it's running all the time?
[03:15] <nalioth> tapanim: kill it
[03:15] <tapanim> can't kill, it's start the new one...
[03:15] <tapanim> and won't help
[03:15] <nalioth> close nautilus
[03:16] <nalioth> or konqueror
[03:17] <tapanim> those are not running
[03:19] <nalioth> weird. ask in #ubuntu 
[03:19] <kkathman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=82232
[03:19] <kkathman> that fixes it
[03:19] <kkathman> its an older version...memory leak
[03:19] <kkathman> sorry to interrupt
[03:20] <tapanim> kkathman: ment for me?
[03:20] <kkathman> yes
[03:20] <tapanim> thanks
[03:20] <nalioth> kkathman: i wish you would interupt more often
[03:20] <kkathman> actually I didnt know what gam_server was so I was doing an Uncle Google..and found that
[03:21] <tapanim> i tried but i didn't find...
[03:21] <kkathman> I just typed in gam_server breezy and there it was :)
[03:21] <nalioth> uncle google to the rescue
[03:21] <kkathman> I usually dont interrupt because that confuses people..but it looked as if nalioth was finished
[03:22] <nalioth> kkathman: you may interupt me any time you wish
[03:22] <kkathman> uhmm...prolly not :)  Im lucky that certain people dont appear to be here right now
[03:24] <kkathman> hey!!
[03:26] <K_Kaiser> :)
[03:26] <K_Kaiser> bugger eh
[03:29] <K_Kaiser> ta mate :D
[03:30] <K_Kaiser> it ejected my floppy :O
[03:34] <Ayiden> Hello
[03:35] <Ayiden> I have a celeron cpu but since im running the base kubuntu kernel I am using the 386 kernel ... should I get the 386 mplayer or the 586 designed for my processesor type
[03:35] <Ayiden> !mplayer
[03:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[03:35] <nalioth> Ayiden: what celeron?
[03:36] <Ayiden> celeron copper... its 686
[03:36] <K_Kaiser> Ayiden: how fast?
[03:36] <Ayiden> 2.67ghz
[03:36] <K_Kaiser> get the 5 or 686 packages
[03:37] <Ayiden> even tho the kernel is 386 okay thanks
[03:37] <nalioth> K_Kaiser: the 686 pkg is a 'placeholder' for 586
[03:37] <Ayiden> so if I install the 686 the 586 will install?
[03:38] <K_Kaiser> yes, IIRC
[03:40] <tvo> dipnlik: ok, thanks. I won't use it then: a calculator which uses - for something else then minus/negative is too complex :)
[03:42] <dipnlik> tvo: haha :) well, next time ask easier questions :P
[03:42] <miguel> hello
[03:42] <miguel> hola
[03:43] <fenix> hola
[03:46] <tapanim> kkathman: thanks a lot, this works fine now :)
[03:46] <Stele> is it safe to install the 32-bit version on an Athlon64 FX system?
[03:46] <K_Kaiser> sure.
[03:46] <Stele> just checking
[03:46] <kkathman> tapanim: glad :)
[03:46] <simonsbr> hello someone can help me to configure adsl?
[03:46] <kkathman> yay I got one right :)
[03:47] <nalioth> Stele: it's actually better to use the i386 install on a amd64 box
[03:47] <Stele> cool
[03:47] <Stele> im a developer and i dont want to go down the "trying to make 32 bit apps on a 64-bit system" road
[03:48] <Stele> it's actually an Athlon64 X2 - dual core
[03:48] <Stele> will I need a kernel patch to support both cores?
[03:48] <qbit> does the nvidia driver and/or module work on AMD 64 ?
[03:48] <Stele> i think they do have a 64 bit driver
[03:48] <K_Kaiser> Stele: not sure, you would want an smp kernel at least
[03:48] <qbit> tnx
[03:49] <Stele> hopefully the installer will notice both cores
[03:49] <K_Kaiser> Stele: the install cd only has a standard 386 kernel, not smp
[03:50] <Stele> ahh
[03:50] <Stele> is this something i can, er, "get" from a command line?
[03:50] <K_Kaiser> not sure about the dvds.
[03:50] <Stele> (not a kernel builder expert)
[03:50] <K_Kaiser> yeh.
[03:50] <Stele> that will do
[03:50] <Stele> :)
[03:50] <K_Kaiser> sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-9-386-smp
[03:50] <Stele> I wonder which core gets used with a single core kernel?
[03:50] <Stele> :)
[03:51] <K_Kaiser> :P core 0 ;)
[03:51] <Stele> heh :
[03:51] <Stele> what a nerdy question, and an equally nerdy answer
[03:51] <K_Kaiser> heh
[03:51] <Stele> i see we are all well adjusted today
[03:51] <K_Kaiser> yeh, i might use that to scare people i know actualy
[03:53] <nalioth> Stele: use the 686-smp kernel
[03:53] <Stele> BTW - if kubuntu is just ubuntu + KDE, why are there two sep channels?
[03:53] <Stele> ah 686 good idea
[03:53] <nalioth> Stele: there are actually 3 channels 
[03:53] <nalioth> #xubuntu exists
[03:53] <K_Kaiser> well, lots in fact
[03:53] <Stele> just curious - seems like overkill
[03:53] <K_Kaiser> 686 on an AMD?
[03:53] <Stele> AMD supports 686 instructions, no?
[03:53] <K_Kaiser> Stele: thers about 6 (chans)(i know of
[03:54] <nalioth> K_Kaiser: yes it works fine
[03:54] <K_Kaiser> oh, ok. 
[03:54] <Stele> this is my first AMD 64 system
[03:54] <Stele> and dual core to boot
[03:54] <nalioth> Stele: how much ram ya got?
[03:54] <Stele> i am switching from RH9 on an older machine to this one
[03:54] <Stele> 640K
[03:54] <Stele> :-)
[03:54] <Stele> 2GB
[03:54] <K_Kaiser> lol
[03:54] <K_Kaiser> 640k
[03:55] <nalioth> Stele: then use the 686-smp kernel after you install
[03:55] <Stele> ok
[03:55] <Stele> i might be back :)
[03:55] <Stele> first thing first - need to figure out if the NV 7800GT in the new box is faster than my Quadro 3600FX
[03:56] <Stele> if it's faster it's going in my game machine :)
[04:24] <penguinzdr> where is KDE in kubuntu?
[04:24] <nalioth> penguinzdr: that question makes no sense
[04:25] <penguinzdr> i dont speak very good english
[04:25] <nalioth> penguinzdr: if you log into kubuntu you are using KDE
[04:25] <penguinzdr> nalioth: i mean where, in /opt/, in /usr/ ....
[04:26] <K_Kaiser> personal settings in ~/.KDE
[04:26] <K_Kaiser> rest of it's spread about (afaik)
[04:26] <nalioth> penguinzdr: kde exists everywhere, as K_Kaiser points out
[04:27] <penguinzdr> i want to compile a style for KDE (knifty), and i want to know where to point the prefix
[04:28] <nalioth> penguinzdr: a theme ?
[04:29] <penguinzdr> yes
[04:30] <Riddell> penguinzdr: --prefix=/usr
[04:31] <Riddell> kde-config --prefix
[04:31] <penguinzdr> 10x
[04:32] <penguinzdr> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:32] <penguinzdr> !??
[04:32] <ubotu> penguinzdr: Are you smoking crack?
[04:33] <penguinzdr> ubotu: no
[04:33] <ubotu> I don't know, penguinzdr
[04:35] <nalioth> !xincludes
[04:35] <ubotu> [xincludes]  for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[04:35] <nalioth> penguinzdr: read about xincludes
[05:33] <Ayiden> hmm this is odd. I just installed frozen-bubble and it says in a terminal "Warning: can't initialize sound (reason: No available audio device)."
[05:33] <Ayiden> all my sound work tho.. and I have the high quality frozen-buble sound installed
[05:34] <Ayiden> I can play sound in amarok and all my system sounds work
[05:37] <Ayiden> !frozen buble
[05:37] <ubotu> Ayiden: Are you smoking crack?
[05:37] <chaoticgeek> frozen bubble is funn
[05:37] <chaoticgeek> fun*
[05:38] <Ayiden> !frozen-bubble
[05:38] <ubotu> Ayiden: I haven't a clue
[05:38] <chaoticgeek> I dont think he knows that
[05:38] <chaoticgeek> !help
[05:38] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[05:38] <chaoticgeek> !learn
[05:38] <ubotu> chaoticgeek: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:38] <Ayiden> chaoticgeek: yes .. I just wish I new why the sound wasnt working.. does it really on mplayer?
[05:38] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:38] <Ayiden> yeah
[05:39] <chaoticgeek> what?I dont follow you Ayiden 
[05:39] <Ayiden> lol
[05:40] <Ayiden> whats up ubotu
[05:40] <Ayiden> ubotu: whats going on?
[05:40] <ubotu> Ayiden: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:40] <chaoticgeek> Ayiden: do you know what ubotu is?
[05:40] <Ayiden> ubotu: hi
[05:40] <ubotu> hola
[05:40] <dipnlik> Ayiden: ubotu is a bot :P
[05:40] <chaoticgeek> lol
[05:40] <Ayiden> yes
[05:40] <Ayiden> a bot
[05:41] <chaoticgeek> lol
[05:41] <chaoticgeek> ok
[05:41] <Ayiden> I saw someone attempt to talk to him .. he can talk back
[05:41] <Ayiden> to some things anyway
[05:41] <Stele> what is "breezy"?
[05:41] <nalioth> sound has always been problematic
[05:41] <nalioth> Stele: a name of an ubuntu version
[05:42] <Stele> oh
[05:42] <Ayiden> kubuntu 5.10
[05:42] <nalioth> breezy badger 
[05:42] <Stele> ah
[05:42] <Stele> i think that is what i got
[05:42] <Ayiden> is breezy
[05:42] <Ayiden> nalioth: I dont know why frozen buble says it cant find a sound device tho
[05:42] <Ayiden> and ceega said I didnt have oss
[05:43] <Ayiden> when i use it all the time (music sounds better in oss then alsa for me)
[05:43] <Stele> the 5.1 iso is what i got - so I guess it's breezy here
[05:43] <Stele> brrrrr
[05:43] <chaoticgeek> I want frozen bubble
[05:43] <Stele> in fact it is - 14`F, 10mph winds
[05:44] <chaoticgeek> speaking of frozen, its cold in my room
[05:44] <Stele> it was, but i turned on another computer
[05:44] <Stele> :)
[05:44] <chaoticgeek> the stupid vent was pumping out cold air
[05:44] <Stele> 8 computers tend to make the office toasty
[05:44] <chaoticgeek> yay I'm gettin frozen bubble
[05:44] <Ayiden> apt-get install frozen-bubble frozen-bubble-data fb-music-high or fb-music-low
[05:44] <chaoticgeek> yes that would
[05:44] <Stele> what is frozen bubble?
[05:44] <chaoticgeek> a game
[05:44] <Stele> ah
[05:45] <Ayiden> Stele: apt-get and see.. its a strangly addicting game
[05:45] <chaoticgeek> pretty fun, make groups of 3 or more lil "bubbles" same color
[05:45] <Stele> heh - ive been playing "The Movies"
[05:45] <chaoticgeek> make them go poof and try and get all of them gone
[05:45] <chaoticgeek> really fun game though
[05:45] <chaoticgeek> almost done
[05:46] <chaoticgeek> yay frozen bubble goodness
[05:47] <_root> hello... can someone please tell me, why i get msgs like error: stdio.h: No such file or directory when i compile a C program?
[05:47] <_root> is this a kubuntu specialty?
[05:47] <Chousuke> monad: why are you root?
[05:47] <Chousuke> ./
[05:48] <monad> did i forget to install something? those files should be there naturally...?
[05:48] <Stele> er...
[05:48] <Stele> what are you using to compile?
[05:48] <Stele> gcc?
[05:48] <monad> stele: yes
[05:48] <monad> 4.0
[05:48] <Stele> huh - always "just worked" for me
[05:48] <nalioth> monad: did you install "build-essential" ?
[05:49] <monad> now i did
[05:49] <Stele> lol
[05:49] <monad> sorry... kubuntu newbie
[05:50] <Stele> isnt kubuntu supposed to be a "programmer's distro"?
[05:50] <Chousuke> no?
[05:50] <monad> not my machine, just installed today on a university box
[05:50] <Stele> well ok then
[05:50] <chaoticgeek> kubuntu is supposed to be a desktop distro
[05:50] <monad> ok... the files are found now, but i still get sh**loads of error msgs
[05:50] <chaoticgeek> or what ever you really wanna make it
[05:51] <chaoticgeek> I installed everything for making my own programs that I will need
[05:52] <Stele> how is the optimizer in gcc 4?
[05:52] <monad> still some files like X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[05:52] <Stele> im thinking of getting a license for the Intel compiler
[05:52] <Stele> monad - you need the X11 dev environment
[05:52] <Stele> that is usually separate
[05:53] <Chousuke> ie. xlibs-dev :p
[05:53] <Stele> yeah that too
[05:53] <monad> libx11-dev?
[05:53] <Chousuke> if you want to code using a library, you need -dev packages.
[05:53] <Chousuke> monad: if it exists.
[05:54] <Chousuke> packages.ubuntu.com should be helpful
[05:54] <chaoticgeek> I need to have a project for next semester
[05:55] <chaoticgeek> this semester I'm learning java, and I should have quite a grasp on it, so next semester I want to do a project to keep me up to date with it
[05:56] <monad> thanks... runnning
[05:56] <nalioth> dammit he's too quick
[05:56] <Chousuke> What useful could you code with java. hm.
[05:56] <nalioth> if monad comes back, he needs this !xincludes
[05:56] <Chousuke> Not another torrent client ;P
[05:57] <chaoticgeek> no
[05:57] <chaoticgeek> I like azureus or whatever too much to try and do something like that
[05:57] <Fillado> !refresh rate
[05:57] <ubotu> No idea, Fillado
[05:57] <nalioth> !fixres
[05:57] <ubotu> methinks fixres is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:58] <Fillado> thanks :)
[06:01] <chaoticgeek> hehe I like the shout one
[06:01] <chaoticgeek> !shout
[06:01] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, shout is WE CAN READ LOWER CASE!
[06:01] <chaoticgeek> that is funny
[06:02] <dipnlik> LOL
[06:02] <chaoticgeek> now I know how to install a deb package
[06:03] <chaoticgeek> 34 pages worth of responses for ubotu
[06:04] <chaoticgeek> !<action> gives $nick a tall glass of Sri Lankan coconut arrack
[06:04] <ubotu> chaoticgeek: What?
[06:04] <chaoticgeek> nope
[06:04] <chaoticgeek> !arrack
[06:05] <chaoticgeek> !start a desktop war
[06:05] <ubotu> fvwm is much better than gnome!
[06:05] <chaoticgeek> lmao
[06:05] <chaoticgeek> !start a desktop war
[06:05] <ubotu> e17 is much better than xfce!
[06:06] <chaoticgeek> that is funny
[06:07] <nalioth> !botabuse
[06:07] <ubotu> You can play with me on #debian-bots without being banned.
[06:07] <chaoticgeek> ok
[06:07] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: we try not to flood the channel with meaningless junk
[06:08] <dipnlik> chaoticgeek: it should have editor and browser wars too, and it probably accepts personal messagers too
[06:08] <chaoticgeek> there are
[06:09] <chaoticgeek> has anyone seen what happens when you type apt-get moo
[06:09] <nalioth> yes we have
[06:09] <chaoticgeek> its very different
[06:10] <dipnlik> that's why I use apt-get and not aptitude :P
[06:11] <chaoticgeek> lol there is start a partitioning war too
[06:11] <nalioth> there is much to be cleaned from his db
[06:12] <chaoticgeek> I'd say 34 pages worth of commands
[06:13] <nalioth> half of them should be purged
[06:13] <chaoticgeek> and I went through a page that was just random stuff, like the apt-get moo
[06:15] <chaoticgeek> Ubuntu all day keeps Dr. Norton away.
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> nalioth: your an op
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> I just found that out
[06:18] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: why is being an op such a source of interest?
[06:19] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: /msg chanserv access #kubuntu list
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> It's not, I just seen it in the list of commands for ubotu
[06:19] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: nothing in ubotu is 'secret', it's all publicly available info
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> I know, and I'm just looking through there
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> I just found out how to mount iso files
[06:24] <chaoticgeek> thats cool
[06:30] <chx> how could I add a pubkey to apt so that it does not warn me ?
[06:31] <nalioth> chx: "apt-key add"
[06:35] <liqs> hi there. any idea why kubuntu would freeze after a random amount of time, leaving only the mouse able to move and nothing else?
[06:49] <Ayiden> On many Music CD's that you buy there are extra things on them besides music. When you pop a cd like this in a windows computer a  screen might come up playing music or perhaps have the artists site come up ... and maybe even have some embedded video. Is there a way to play these on linux?
[06:51] <nalioth> Ayiden: you mean the 'rootkits' ? lol
[06:52] <Ayiden> nalioth: what are the "rootkits"
[06:52] <Ayiden> hope Its not that stupid of a question *(lol)
[06:52] <Ayiden> !rootkits
[06:52] <Ayiden> ha ha
[06:52] <ubotu> Not a clue, Ayiden
[06:52] <nalioth> Ayiden: do you live in a cave?
[06:53] <nalioth> sony has gotten itself into really really bad trouble
[06:53] <Ayiden> nalioth: no i live in a dungeon...
[06:53] <nalioth> sony has released software that takes over your windows box and allows ANYONE to infiltrate and do whatever they want to it
[06:53] <Ayiden> nalioth: seriouslt?
[06:53] <Ayiden> seriously*
[06:54] <nalioth> Ayiden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit
[06:54] <nalioth> sony is facing legal actions from many world governments
[06:55] <Ayiden> oh,crap
[06:55] <Ayiden> hope this doesnt effect the ps3... *gulp*
[06:56] <Ayiden> the price or quality i mean
[06:56] <nalioth> Ayiden: join #kubuntu-offtopic for more discussion of sony's Very Bad Thing
[06:57] <Ayiden> alright
[06:57] <Ayiden> .. for now to im checking to see if I can get the stuff on a few music music cd's to work.. I think i had 1 up before on linspire but I forgett what I did or if I did anything at all...
[06:57] <Ayiden> *(lol)
[06:58] <nalioth> !info wine
[06:58] <ubotu> wine: (Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)), section universe/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14131 kB, Installed size: 55484 kB
[07:12] <chx> nalioth: and where can I download the keyfile for say, http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr ?
[07:13] <nalioth> chx: you'll need to ask jbailey or look around ~jbailey
[07:13] <nalioth> most devs have their key listed
[07:14] <Daywalker> una pregunta, como hago hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx inicie automaticamente
[07:15] <nalioth> Daywalker: por favor, habla ingles aqui, habla espanol en #kubuntu-es o #ubuntu-es
[07:16] <Daywalker> ah ok, gracias
[07:16] <Daywalker> disculpa
[07:19] <Daywalker> question, how to put hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx load everytime i run kubuntu?
[07:20] <chx> nalioth: thanks, I asked and it was in the snapshot directory :)
[07:24] <beefsprocket> Daywalker: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:24] <Daywalker> beefsprocket, then i put hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx?
[07:25] <Daywalker> at end on the line
[07:32] <[Surge] > Does anyone know why glxgears doesn't display the framerate anymore in Breezy ?
[07:33] <Kyaneos> hi
[07:33] <Kyaneos> i have a problem
[07:34] <Kyaneos> when i boot my computer, it leaves me in the first tty, but i wanto to be in the seventh with the X
[07:34] <beefsprocket> I think the file has comments for the relevant section, you may be able tojust uncomment a line or two
[07:36] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: is it for me?
[07:39] <beefsprocket> surge: it isn't a benchmark -- you can google the option for framerate
[07:39] <beefsprocket> Kyaneos: try alt+f7
[07:40] <[Surge] > beefsprocket: Sure but the framerate output is useful for debugging
[07:41] <[Surge] > Now I have to search for the frame rate option because some brain dead person disabled it to stop people from using is as a comparison?
[07:42] <beefsprocket> indeed
[07:43] <beefsprocket> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark 
[07:43] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: yes, i can change to the tty 7
[07:43] <beefsprocket> ok, well, try logging in with your user and running sudo kdm
[07:44] <[Surge] > Oh so that's why I couldn't find the option
[07:44] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: but kdm is running yet
[07:44] <margit> yes
[07:44] <beefsprocket> it is? you'll have to kill it and restartit then
[07:44] <Kyaneos> why?
[07:45] <beefsprocket> no clue, but it works for me
[07:45] <beefsprocket> sory I can't help more
[07:45] <beefsprocket> tried dist-upgrading?
[07:45] <Kyaneos> yes
[07:45] <Kyaneos> ok
[07:45] <Kyaneos> i will try it now
[07:45] <beefsprocket> i also upgraded to 3.5rc1 as well
[07:45] <beefsprocket> (I had that problem as well)
[07:45] <bl3ssing> how can I see my hard disk partitions which I'm using them on Windows SO? pls?>
[07:46] <bl3ssing> and how can I access those partitions?
[07:46] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: then i kill kdm and restart with sudo kdm?
[07:46] <libben> how do i change my amarok icon? so its a new one globally for it?
[07:46] <beefsprocket> yep
[07:47] <beefsprocket> ... guess it worked?
[07:47] <bl3ssing> I'm a new linux user and that's why I'm asking ...
[07:47] <bl3ssing> how can I see my hard disk partitions which I'm using them on Windows SO? pls?>
[07:47] <bl3ssing> and how can I access those partitions?
[07:47] <[Surge] > bl3ssing: You write Mirco$oft a nice letter and tell them you would like them to support other non-MS partitions or you use a 3rd party tool
[07:48] <beefsprocket> there are some drivers that you can use -- not sure if they are free though
[07:48] <l3m> bl3ssing: there's a program called explore2fs for ext2 partitions
[07:48] <beefsprocket> check sourceforge
[07:48] <l3m> bl3ssing: and theres one for reiser too, but don't know what it's called
[07:48] <beefsprocket> there is a reiserfs module as well
[07:48] <beefsprocket> ;)
[07:48] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:49] <bl3ssing> are you speaking to me in languages ... guys? cause I don't understand what you mean by .. ext2 ...?
[07:49] <bl3ssing> ;))
[07:49] <bl3ssing> =)
[07:49] <bl3ssing> =))
[07:49] <beefsprocket> run mount in a terminal
[07:49] <beefsprocket> see which filesystem you are running
[07:49] <bl3ssing> ok ...
[07:50] <bl3ssing> and how can I run mount? only by typing mount ...?
[07:50] <bl3ssing> ;)
[07:50] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: what do you want to see, linux partitions on Windows or Windows partitions on linux?
[07:50] <beefsprocket> yep
[07:50] <bl3ssing> windows partitions on linux
[07:50] <bl3ssing> dipnlik ...
[07:51] <l3m> bl3ssing: ah. that's easy
[07:51] <l3m> bl3ssing: just sudo and then type fdisk -l - this will show you all partitons
[07:51] <l3m> bl3ssing: then you can mount them using the "mount" command
[07:52] <l3m> bl3ssing: man mount if you want to know how to do that
[07:53] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: pretty sure you can find a tutorial on this on ubuntu wiki
[07:53] <dipnlik> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about windowsdrives
[07:54] <bl3ssing> thanks guys for helping me...
[07:54] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: it was the solution
[07:54] <Kyaneos> beefsprocket: i think it is because i am using rcconfig
[07:55] <[Surge] > Ok I've found that since upgrading to Breezy all the DMA flags are off for my disks
[07:55] <[Surge] > Is there a tool for configuring this or must I just hdparm them?
[07:55] <bl3ssing> I've found after I've typed fdisk -l command this text: /dev/hda1               1        2051    15505528+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[07:55] <bl3ssing> what kind of command shall I use now to mount this partition?
[07:56] <[Surge] > mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[07:56] <[Surge] > Create /mnt/windows directory first
[07:57] <[Surge] > And if you want it to happen at boot time add an entry into /etc/fstab
[07:57] <bl3ssing> an entry like ...?
[07:57] <bl3ssing> ;)
[07:57] <[Surge] > And entry like in "man fstab"  ;)
[07:57] <[Surge] > Example :   /dev/hdd1       /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,uid=1000,gid=109     0       0
[07:58] <l3m> bl3ssing: you're kinda lazy, right? it's written on a 1000 webpages exactly how to mount a win partition .. 
[07:58] <l3m> ;)
[07:58] <bl3ssing> and why wouldn't you help me ... l3m instead of speaking ...? :-)
[07:58] <[Surge] > 1000 is a conservative figure l3m 
[07:59] <bl3ssing> just kidding l3m
[07:59] <bl3ssing> ok than
[07:59] <bl3ssing> I'll try to find on the web
[07:59] <bl3ssing> you're right Surge
[07:59] <bl3ssing> it is not that I'm lazy
[07:59] <bl3ssing> it is only that I want to know just some basically informations about kubuntu, than ... I'll do my work ...
[07:59] <l3m> bl3ssing: ^^ look above, i helped you.. but you should learn to find out this stuff by reading the available documents, otherwise you'll never learn it for yourself ;)
[08:00] <nalioth> bl3ssing: you'll find much more help if you help yourself first
[08:00] <bl3ssing> thanks l3m for your advices
[08:00] <l3m> bl3ssing: i don't mind helping newbies, but the best help is learning how to find out stuff quickly .. and irc is waaay slower than just asking google 
[08:00] <l3m> hehe
[08:00] <[Surge] > Ok back to my question. Is there an "ubuntu" way to enable DMA on boot or must I hack my own boot scripts to turn it on?
[08:00] <l3m> [Surge] : hdparm 
[08:01] <l3m> [Surge] : apt-get install hdparm; vi /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:01] <[Surge] > Yes but isn't there a system in place to do it?
[08:01] <[Surge] > Ah ... hdparm.conf - why didn't I think of that?!  :D
[08:02] <libben> how do i change my amarok icon? so its a new one globally for it?
[08:03] <l3m> libben /usr/share/icons/[youriconpack] /[size] /apps/amarok.png 
[08:04] <l3m> for png icons
[08:11] <bl3ssing> how can I read fstab file ... what command shall I use?
[08:11] <l3m> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[08:11] <l3m> for changing it
[08:11] <l3m> bl3ssing: but be sure to make a backup first
[08:12] <l3m> if you break fstab, you break your system
[08:12] <l3m> ..might...
[08:12] <l3m> break
[08:12] <pv_> btw, an easier way might be to use the Disks tool that is in the System menu. (but I don't know for sure as I haven't used it myself)
[08:12] <[Surge] > Yeah but you'll only break it once
[08:13] <l3m> bl3ssing: yes, forget everything i say and follow pv_'s advice
[08:14] <bl3ssing> really?
[08:14] <l3m> my thinking is still too debianised ;)
[08:14] <l3m> yes
[08:14] <bl3ssing> wow ... that's pretty dangerously
[08:14] <bl3ssing> ;)
[08:14] <bl3ssing> but I like taking riskes ... so ... it is ok.
[08:14] <bl3ssing> if I won't be here anymore, than just know that I'm having problems ... with my Kubuntu So
[08:14] <bl3ssing> hehhehe
[08:14] <l3m> system settings->disk tools like much more userfriendly than fstab in nano 
[08:14] <l3m> hrhr
[08:15] <pv_> timtowtdi
[08:15] <[Surge] > You can't mess it up unless you delete the lines for your Linux partitions
[08:16] <florg> hi, i's like to use the apache2 webserver of ubuntu. how can i grant access to my server? when i go to my computer's address i get an 'access denied' error
[08:18] <Riddell> florg: look in error.log to see what the problem is
[08:20] <claudiu> hello guys
[08:20] <jjesse> hello claudiu 
[08:21] <claudiu> do you know is it possible to convert debian debs to ubuntu debs ?
[08:21] <claudiu> because i keep finding cool stuff everywhere packaged for debian and it wouldn't install on ubuntu
[08:22] <l3m> lets say it's not advisable unless you really know what you want to do
[08:22] <l3m> claudiu what debian package do you want to convert?
[08:22] <claudiu> l3m: can i paste the url here ?
[08:23] <l3m> sure
[08:23] <claudiu> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=30603&vote=good&tan=54281431
[08:23] <claudiu> this one is available as a deb but it wont get installed on my ubuntu
[08:25] <l3m> hmm i would download the source and compile it
[08:25] <l3m> ./configure; make; sudo make install 
[08:27] <claudiu> l3m i already have 120.000 files on my computer, and i dont want more. remember windows95 with 1500 files ?
[08:27] <bl3ssing> lol claudiu
[08:27] <bl3ssing> hahahha
[08:27] <claudiu> bl3ssing: this is a goddam desktop
[08:27] <bl3ssing> isn't  your linux so allready blocked / crashed cause of those 120.000 files?
[08:27] <bl3ssing> lol
[08:27] <claudiu> bl3ssing: count your files, baby
[08:28] <l3m> claudiu: so? 
[08:28] <l3m> claudiu: i don't see your point?
[08:28] <claudiu> it didnt block because it is a linux but i want to keep it tight, if you know what i mean
[08:28] <bl3ssing> neither do i, claudiu! am I a baby? do you think so?
[08:28] <l3m> claudiu: the only difference is that you'll install self-compiled binaries instead of precompiled ones
[08:29] <bl3ssing> I know claudiu
[08:29] <claudiu> bl3ssing: its a figure of speech
[08:29] <bl3ssing> l3m ... thanks for helping me
[08:29] <claudiu> l3m: i am coming from gentoo, dont want any more compile
[08:29] <bl3ssing> I'm allready seeing some of my files of windows ... [did I say windows again? WinXp will flow outside through my windows ... SOON!] 
[08:30] <bl3ssing> how can I find more channels for chatting ... ?
[08:30] <claudiu> bl3ssing: i left dual boot a year ago for gentoo 1.4
[08:30] <l3m> claudiu: hehe well then you'll probably have to hack the header of the deb package to suit kubuntu
[08:30] <l3m> bl3ssing: np ;)
[08:30] <pv_> or rebuild it from source
[08:31] <pv_> even if you don't want to ;)
[08:31] <l3m> pv_: he said he doesn't want to compile
[08:31] <l3m> ;/
[08:31] <claudiu> guys ill try to alien it twice to see what happens
[08:31] <pv_> too bad
[08:31] <claudiu> :)))
[08:31] <l3m> making a deb package is so easy using debhelper
[08:32] <pv_> actually cdbs is even easier
[08:32] <claudiu> hmm l3m here you come, thats the kind of answer i was looking
[08:32] <pv_> debian/rules = 4 lines, for most autoconfed packages
[08:32] <florg> Riddell: thx, that helped :)
[08:33] <atlas> hi i have a question about ubuntu ;)
[08:33] <atlas> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  661FX/M 661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP
[08:33] <atlas> its my graphic
[08:33] <atlas> i want to hmm lets say play chromium
[08:33] <atlas> i cannot it gos but wery slow
[08:33] <atlas> any solutions ??
[08:33] <atlas> :)
[08:35] <pv_> probably none, afaik there is little support for 3D acceleration on SiS cards (c.f. http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/SiS)
[08:37] <pv_> but that page may be outdated, it's been a year since it was last updated
[08:37] <l3m> claudiu: hehe. i thought you didn't want to compile ;) .. 
[08:37] <l3m> just kidding
[08:37] <claudiu> is there any video editor, i want to fix some home videos 
[08:38] <l3m> claudiu: kino
[08:38] <pv_> claudiu, apt-cache search video editor
[08:38] <claudiu> l3m: i would like more time to learn more stuff, that's why i am avoiding compiling
[08:38] <icewt> claudiu: cinelerra
[08:38] <l3m> never used it though
[08:38] <claudiu> thanks pv_ icewt l3m 
[08:38] <Ayiden> okay, well im trying to install mplayer and when I attempt to I get an error messege that says libdirectfb-0.9-20 is uninstallable.. I checked on libdirectfb and it seems the latest version is above libdirectfb-0.9-20 so can I not install mplayer? Will installing the latest version of libdirectfb help? or should I look for the older package?
[08:39] <claudiu> well cinelerra isnt available on ubuntnu
[08:39] <nalioth> Ayiden: i smell unofficial package use involved. have you used unofficial pkgs or repos?
[08:39] <Ayiden> only the mplayer repository
[08:40] <icewt> claudiu: no, but you can find it packaged for ubuntu elsewhere
[08:40] <l3m> Ayiden: but mplayer is in breezy
[08:40] <l3m> claudiu: kino is
[08:40] <Ayiden> it doesnt show up in adept?
[08:40] <claudiu> it would be nice if there was a deb factory or something like that, where you could propose the cool stuff
[08:40] <Ayiden> mplayer isnt there
[08:40] <l3m> it's (urgs) gtk though
[08:40] <claudiu> ok l3m 
[08:40] <nalioth> Ayiden: which mplayer repository?
[08:40] <claudiu> l3m: hmmm
[08:41] <icewt> claudiu: not sure if there's more recent version somewhere, but there's cinelerra for breezy http://socrates.if.usp.br/~liquid/pacotes/
[08:41] <regeya> oh gtk won't hurt you
[08:41] <nalioth> !info mplayer-586
[08:41] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[08:41] <Ayiden> ftp.nerim.net
[08:41] <nalioth> Ayiden: it's in multiverse
[08:41] <claudiu> icewt: thats a cool site ive been there too
[08:41] <mornfall> graphics huh? wtf
[08:41] <nalioth> Ayiden: stay away from non ubuntu repos, you will break your box
[08:41] <claudiu> thanks icewt 
[08:41] <claudiu> !info cinelerra
[08:41] <Ayiden> alright what repository should I use?
[08:42] <regeya> linux: where you can't safely install 3rd-party apps unless your distro packages them
[08:42] <nalioth> Ayiden: read what ubotu said....'multiverse'
[08:42] <icewt> claudiu: not sure what it's exactly you're looking for, but if you want something like adobe premiere, cinelerra is the choise
[08:42] <Ayiden> I have already installed somthing from nerim... im glad it hasnt harmed anything... acrobat
[08:43] <nalioth> Ayiden: comment that line out please, or you will certainly have trouble
[08:43] <claudiu> l3m: do you have an debian background because i would like you to answer a question for me
[08:43] <l3m> claudiu: yes
[08:43] <l3m> claudiu: what do you want to know?
[08:44] <claudiu> l3m: i found many deb packages on kde-look.org, but many of them gave the same error when trying to install, something like...
[08:44] <pv_> Ayiden, generally apt (if correctly used) takes care of not messing anything up. But acroread is also in multiverse
[08:45] <l3m> Ayiden: anyway, kpdf > acroread
[08:45] <l3m> ;)
[08:45] <pv_> l3m, not for all pdf files.
[08:45] <l3m> not? 
[08:45] <l3m> hmm dunno, never had any problem 
[08:45] <l3m> heh
[08:45] <pv_> for some ( = scanned documents) kpdf is too slow to use
[08:46] <pv_> which is a bit of show stopper bug for me, since I would need those displayed very fast :(
[08:46] <pv_> or fast enough
[08:46] <claudiu> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/433429
[08:46] <claudiu> l3m: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/433429
[08:47] <l3m> claudiu: breezy uses kdelibs4c2 and libqt3-mt instead
[08:48] <l3m> claudiu: the c2 and c102 have to do with c++ ABI transition of G++ 
[08:48] <l3m> claudiu: ugly things, but what can you do. anyway, you could extract the .deb, change the header, and recreate it
[08:48] <l3m> err forget that
[08:48] <l3m> obviously it won't run
[08:48] <pv_> won't work :)
[08:48] <l3m> exactly because of the transition i was talking about
[08:49] <claudiu> l3m: cool, how can i do that
[08:49] <l3m> nevermind
[08:49] <l3m> i'm tired already
[08:49] <claudiu> l3m: okay, is it about the gcc4.0 thing ?
[08:49] <bl3ssing> 
[08:49] <bl3ssing> kjl
[08:49] <bl3ssing>  jjkl
[08:50] <l3m> well 3.4 and 4.0
[08:50] <l3m> yes
[08:50] <claudiu> l3m: i imagined this
[08:51] <claudiu> l3m: is there some place where people can submit proposals for making debs
[08:51] <claudiu> or something like that for ubuntu
[08:51] <Ayide1> ubotu: !multiverse
[08:51] <ubotu> Ayide1: I give up, what is it?
[08:52] <l3m> claudiu: hmm i'm only on kubuntu for 3 days so i don't know ;)
[08:52] <Ayide1> I enabled the mulitverse repositories but all I get is errors on apt-get update
[08:52] <l3m> claudiu: probably... 
[08:52] <l3m> hehe
[08:53] <nalioth> !repos
[08:53] <ubotu> somebody said repos was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[08:53] <nalioth> Ayiden: ^^^^^
[08:54] <Ayide1> YAY
[08:54] <claudiu> l3m: I say if someone wants sausages, it doesnt have to cut the pig and stuff them himself
[08:55] <l3m> hehe
[08:55] <blackvd> have a prob with my res on my login screen its set too high,how can I change it?
[08:55] <Ayide1> nalioth: Thanks
[08:56] <l3m> claudiu: you learned something from being a gentooer, i guess, namely, gentoo is a waste of time  ;)
[08:56] <claudiu> blackvd: CTRL+ALT+F1 drops you in the shell
[08:57] <blackvd> right, i can login its just that the screen is set at something beyond 1024
[08:57] <claudiu> l3m: gentoo is a beatifull thing, but i wanted more time for me to learn things
[08:57] <blackvd> so i have to scroll around on it
[08:57] <l3m> claudiu: you know unroll-loops.org? ;)
[08:57] <l3m> funroll-loops.org
[08:58] <claudiu> l3m: nope, but i can guess, ;))
[08:58] <l3m> claudiu: well i don't think you learn a lot from gentoo except waiting for compiles to end
[08:59] <l3m> claudiu: i learned most about linux basics and stuff from debian ... but now that i know, i just want a working sleep/hibernate, nice gui config and the likes from kubu ;)
[08:59] <blackvd> no way to set it to 1024X768?
[08:59] <bl3ssing> where can I find corel linux ... for trial only?
[08:59] <l3m> bl3ssing: corel linux is long dead
[08:59] <l3m> bl3ssing: and why anyone would want to install corel linux, i cannot imagine
[09:00] <claudiu> l3m: it would be cool if there were two big linux producers DEB and RPM and the rest of the distros
[09:01] <claudiu> then there would be enough money to support developing
[09:01] <claudiu> bl3ssing: corel linux is a 1998 thing
[09:02] <l3m> claudiu: i think you apply flawed logic. 
[09:03] <l3m> claudiu: 98% of the software on a linux system was not developed because someone payed for it
[09:03] <l3m> claudiu: and it's nice that everyone can make a distro as he likes. gives you freedom to choose. 
[09:03] <l3m> imho
[09:04] <claudiu> l3m: dont forget that big communities mean great testing and developing platforms, so..
[09:05] <l3m> claudiu: well if you want a good *nix with a single big community, buy a powerbook ;)
[09:07] <l3m> ok, gotta go. evening everyone ;)
[09:07] <Ayide1> grrr ... why dont the multiverse repositories work..
[09:07] <Ayide1> I add them and I get an error.. hmm are these the right ones... 1 sec
[09:08] <Ayide1>         deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe multiverse  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates universe multiverse  
[09:09] <Ayide1> are those right?
[09:09] <Ayide1> ubotu: !uboto
[09:09] <ubotu> Ayide1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:09] <Ayide1> ha
[09:09] <Ayide1> doesnt know who HE is
[09:09] <Ayide1> anyway
[09:09] <Ayide1> are those the right repositories
[09:10] <nalioth> Ayide1: if you "ubotu ubotu" you'll get an answer
[09:11] <nalioth> Ayide1: either !trigger or ubotu trigger
[09:11] <nalioth> Ayide1: ubotu !trigger does not work
[09:13] <bl3ssing> wow ... I didn't know about that corel linux is an older version
[09:13] <bl3ssing> I would like to use a good program in linux for multimedia/graphics things.
[09:13] <bl3ssing> which one is the best ... cause in windows, I know coreldraw 12/adobe photoshoc cs2 are the best
[09:13] <bl3ssing> but in linux?
[09:15] <nalioth> bl3ssing: enable universe and multiverse repos and search using adept for whatever strikes your whim
[09:16] <bl3ssing> adept? I'm a new user in linux ... and I don't know what this is ... 
[09:16] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:18] <_snake> Hey guys
[09:18] <bl3ssing> what's the universe and multiverse repos?
[09:18] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:19] <_snake> More places to get packets from ;)
[09:19] <_snake> !kopete
[09:20] <ubotu> Kopete is the KDE IM, supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more. See http://kopete.kde.org
[09:22] <nalioth> bl3ssing: adept is the package manager in kubuntu
[09:22] <nalioth> ubotu: teoo bl3ssing about repos
[09:22] <ubotu> nalioth: Are you on ritalin?
[09:22] <_snake> lol
[09:23] <_snake> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about repos
[09:23] <_snake> I guess I cant do that
[09:23] <_snake> :-D
[09:23] <bl3ssing> and what's this adept doing ...?
[09:23] <_snake> ?
[09:24] <bl3ssing> installing things you might need so that your so to be updated?
[09:24] <bl3ssing> or ...?
[09:24] <_snake> You use adept to install almost any program out there
[09:24] <_snake> and it keeps your OS updated
[09:24] <bl3ssing> wow ...
[09:24] <jjesse> its the add/remove programs of kubuntu
[09:24] <_snake> Yes
[09:24] <bl3ssing> it is just like in windows ... when you want to update the sp2 / sp3 ... 
[09:24] <bl3ssing> i understand.
[09:24] <bl3ssing> that's cool
[09:24] <bl3ssing> ;)
[09:24] <bl3ssing> I hate windows
[09:24] <_snake> With a lot more "add features"
[09:24] <_snake> :)
[09:25] <bl3ssing> and I want to use linux, even it is a little bit too complicated at this moment to me.
[09:25] <bl3ssing> but ... I'll handle it.
[09:25] <jjesse> its a little like add/remove programs and auto update all rolled into one
[09:25] <_snake> How long have you been on it?
[09:26] <_snake> bl3ssing: how long have you been on it?
[09:26] <bl3ssing> on linux?
[09:26] <bl3ssing> this is the 2nd day
[09:26] <bl3ssing> ;)
[09:26] <_snake> Alright, keep with it
[09:26] <bl3ssing> I know I will need a lot of time to learn it ...
[09:26] <_snake> I been on it 4 days :) lol
[09:26] <bl3ssing> but I won't quit with it.
[09:26] <bl3ssing> lol snake
[09:27] <bl3ssing> you're a senior ..
[09:27] <bl3ssing> I'm just a junior
[09:27] <_snake> haha
[09:27] <_snake> Once you figure stuff out, youll see its a great OS
[09:27] <bl3ssing> great
[09:27] <bl3ssing> I'd love to work with a multimedia program ... on linux ...
[09:27] <_snake> I still have a lot to learn, but you have to remeber, you have to "unlearn" windows
[09:27] <bl3ssing> like coreldraw and photoshop
[09:28] <_snake> Get the gimp 
[09:28] <bl3ssing> but I don't know which is the best on linux ...
[09:28] <_snake> Thats the linux equiv to photoshop
[09:28] <_snake> and its free
[09:28] <_snake> In adept do a search for it
[09:28] <bl3ssing> as long as I'll get more knowledge about linux, I'll quit with windows.
[09:28] <bl3ssing> really?
[09:28] <bl3ssing> wow ... 
[09:28] <bl3ssing> that's cool.
[09:28] <_snake> Yep :)
[09:29] <bl3ssing> and ... how about a vectorial program like corel ...?
[09:29] <bl3ssing> is there in linux any other soft?
[09:29] <mornfall> try inkscape
[09:29] <mornfall> btw both gimp and inkscape are inferior to their adobe counterparts... but for many uses, they are fine
[09:29] <_snake> I dont think gimp is inferior to photosgop
[09:29] <_snake> shop*
[09:29] <_snake> Works just as well for me
[09:30] <mornfall> _snake: hmm, has it gotten filter layers recently? (i may have missed that)
[09:30] <_snake> mornfall: havn't checked
[09:30] <_snake> CRAP. ADEPT TOOK A CRAP ON ME.
[09:30] <mornfall> i had an ancient photoshop version and however much i hate to admit it, it was superior to gimp in nearly any respect
[09:30] <_snake> Why can't my adept communicate with su??
[09:31] <bl3ssing> mornfall ... what program do you recommend me to use ... a program as coreldraw for windows?
[09:31] <mornfall> _snake: probably not adept fault
[09:31] <_snake> How do I fix it........lol
[09:31] <mornfall> bl3ssing: i don't know anything else but inkscape remotely comparable to coreldraw
[09:31] <mornfall> _snake: (more like kdesu)
[09:32] <_snake> well tell me how to fix it mornfall lol
[09:33] <mornfall> _snake: nfi, sorry, i don't have anything with kubuntu's sudoised kdesu
[09:33] <_snake> nfi? (spell out)
[09:34] <bl3ssing> lol ... snake and mornfall
[09:34] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:34] <bl3ssing> hahahah
[09:35] <mschmitt> cool ... kopete runs now finally without crashing :)
[09:35] <_snake> Yea
[09:35] <_snake> Hey MS can u help lil ol me?
[09:35] <_snake> mschmitt that is lol
[09:36] <_snake> (if theres more Ms...)
[09:36] <mschmitt> ah :) hi _snake 
[09:36] <pv_> I haven't actually read any arguments why gimp is inferior to photoshop, and the difference is not obvious to me. Should I google a bit :)
[09:36] <_snake> mschmitt: Adept craped on me.
[09:36] <mschmitt> do you still have that dns probs with conqueror?
[09:36] <mschmitt> _snake: i do like adept a lot
[09:36] <_snake> Nope, I noticed what was wrong
[09:36] <_snake> I was using hoary, not breezy, so I just updated and reinstalled :-D
[09:36] <mschmitt> :)
[09:37] <_snake> All is good now, except the pakage manager doesn't work
[09:37] <_snake> it wont load
[09:37] <_snake> like I click it, and it looks like its loading, then i doesn't
[09:37] <mschmitt> _snake: hm ... try apt-get install adept within the kommand line ;)
[09:37] <mschmitt> hm ...
[09:37] <mschmitt> well ... than its installed, at least ...
[09:38] <_snake> yes
[09:38] <mschmitt> well ... hm ...
[09:38] <_snake> Before it started doing that, it said it couldn't communicate with su
[09:38] <mornfall> _snake: tried logout/login?
[09:38] <_snake> naw ill try now
[09:39] <_snake> brb
[09:39] <mornfall> maybe your kdesud went wonky
[09:40] <mschmitt> try apt-get remove --purge adept && apt-get install adept
[09:40] <nalioth> mschmitt: adept is standard in kubuntu
[09:41] <_snake> mschmitt:  no good
[09:41] <nalioth> _snake: what is happening now?
[09:41] <_snake> mschmitt: same thing
[09:42] <mschmitt> doesnt matter ... there are no dependencys except the kubuntu-desktop thing
[09:42] <mschmitt> hm ...
[09:42] <_snake> whats another pakage manager? Ill download and try it
[09:42] <_snake> sypnamic?
[09:42] <_snake> i think its called?
[09:43] <mornfall> _snake: can you give exact error, at least?
[09:43] <mschmitt> try and remove /root/.kde/share/config/adeptrc
[09:43] <Knowerrors> Anybody here use Superkaramba?
[09:43] <mornfall> mschmitt: there's nothing in there, just window geometry
[09:43] <_snake> mornfall: these is no error
[09:43] <mornfall> _snake: ah, so it works then :-)
[09:44] <mschmitt> mornfall: well ... sometimes removing those rc files works for me ;)
[09:44] <_snake> how do I remove files *frowns at his 4 day noobishness*
[09:44] <mornfall> well, i wrote adept, so i should know this isn't going to help ;-)
[09:44] <mschmitt> for example when kontact crashs when it starts
[09:44] <mornfall> if it is i'll eat another banana
[09:45] <_snake> morn you wrote adept??
[09:45] <_snake> *listens to morn* what do I got to do :)
[09:46] <mornfall> [21:37:05]  < _snake> Why can't my adept communicate with su??
[09:46] <mornfall> as i already said, this is most probably kdesu problem, not mine
[09:47] <mschmitt> well then try and reinstall kdesu
[09:47] <_snake> how
[09:47] <_snake> Thats what it said before, now it just shows the loading bouncing, and goes away
[09:47] <mschmitt> well ... there is no package for it ...
[09:47] <mschmitt> killall adept ...
[09:48] <_snake> snake@Beast:~$ sudo killall adept
[09:48] <_snake> adept: no process killed
[09:48] <mschmitt> hm ...
[09:49] <mornfall> i'd try to make a new user :-)
[09:49] <mornfall> but dunnow how you go about that in ubuntu :p
[09:49] <mornfall> (to make it "admin-capable"
[09:49] <mornfall> )
[09:50] <mschmitt> well ... you can try synaptic if you want another package manager.
[09:50] <_snake> I like adept :( But I was going to use that to test
[09:50] <mschmitt> but adept is undoubtfully better
[09:50] <mschmitt> ;)
[09:50] <_snake> Agreed
[09:50] <_snake> How do you uninstall packages?
[09:51] <mschmitt> apt-get remove
[09:51] <_snake> lol figures
[09:51] <_snake> hmm synaptic wont start up either.
[09:51] <mschmitt> well ... can you edit the networking settings within the controlcenter?
[09:52] <mschmitt> (i.e. does the administrator mode work)
[09:52] <_snake> MAN WTF IS WITH KUBUNTU. It sucks on a 1078x786 res.
[09:53] <_snake> i cant see the bottom buttons of the network settings
[09:53] <Stele> 1078x786? 
[09:53] <Stele> no wonder, no card I know supports that res
[09:53] <mschmitt> well ... that resolution sucks ;)
[09:53] <_snake> Sorry, 20 year old moniter
[09:53] <mschmitt> :)
[09:53] <_snake> 768**
[09:53] <mschmitt> well .. try alt+left mouse btn
[09:53] <mschmitt> and drag the window up
[09:53] <_snake> Nice
[09:54] <_snake> No admin mode wont work in there
[09:55] <mschmitt> hm ... try reinstalling the package "kde-guidance"
[09:56] <mschmitt> apt-get --purge kde-guidance && apt-get install kde-guidance
[09:56] <_snake> invalid operation
[09:57] <mschmitt> ah ... forgot the remove
[09:57] <mschmitt> after the first apt-get
[09:57] <_snake> snake@Beast:~$ sudo apt-get --purge kde-guidance && apt-get install kde-guidance
[09:57] <_snake> E: Invalid operation kde-guidance
[09:57] <mschmitt> sudo apt-get remove --purge kde-guidance && apt-get install kde-guidance
[09:58] <mschmitt> sudo apt-get --purge remove kde-guidance && apt-get install kde-guidance
[09:58] <_snake> ok done
[09:58] <mschmitt> try adept again ...
[09:58] <_snake> okay now adept give me "Su retured with an error"
[09:59] <_snake> Exited terminal, now adept wont load again
[09:59] <mschmitt> hm ...
[09:59] <mschmitt> and no prompt for root pwd?
[10:01] <_snake> Okay I reinstalled adept out of desperation, and it came back with a "Su returned with an error" message again
[10:01] <_snake> mornfall: any help here?
[10:01] <mschmitt> try kdesu adept
[10:01] <_snake> ?
[10:01] <mschmitt> from the konsole
[10:01] <mschmitt> from users konsole
[10:01] <mornfall> what about sudo adept? :-)
[10:02] <mornfall> but
[10:02] <mornfall> that may fuck up your kde ;-)
[10:02] <_snake> ...
[10:02] <mornfall> (because this tends to 0wn your files to root)
[10:02] <mornfall> sudo su adept could work
[10:02] <mornfall> a bit better that is
[10:02] <_snake> hey mschmitt  your thing got adept up!
[10:03] <mschmitt> hm ... did you ever set a root passwd?
[10:03] <_snake> yes
[10:03] <_snake> okay, now if I run it from the kmenu, it gives me that error
[10:04] <mornfall> mschmitt: kubuntu doesn't want root password either
[10:04] <rrichie> hi all
[10:05] <mschmitt> but why shouldn't i set it?
[10:05] <rrichie> can anyone help me to make my kubuntu server accessible by xdmcp
[10:05] <rrichie> i only get a blank window
[10:06] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell mschmitt about root
[10:06] <nalioth> damned copycat nickusers
[10:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mschmitt about root
[10:07] <_snake> so uhh mschmitt any ideas?
[10:07] <_snake> or should I just re-install kubuntu. Again.
[10:08] <_snake> i probly should, because it wont detect my drives either
[10:09] <mschmitt> nalioth: very nice, thx
[10:09] <mschmitt> _snake: i dont know ...
[10:09] <_snake> Alright we I suppose ill just reinstall lol
[10:09] <_snake> One more question
[10:09] <_snake> Hang on
[10:11] <_snake> Is this safe to use
[10:11] <_snake> http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[10:11] <_snake> It seems like these problems start after I follow that, but thats the only way I know to get all the extra reps
[10:12] <mschmitt> what packages do you need from these reps?
[10:13] <_snake> Just whatever lol
[10:13] <_snake> They add like 10000000 programs
[10:13] <_snake> like flash isn't there by default, it is once you do that
[10:13] <mschmitt> and all are useless ... more likely to destroy your system, as we recognized ;)
[10:13] <_snake> They are?
[10:14] <mschmitt> :)
[10:14] <mschmitt> i dont know
[10:14] <mschmitt> :)
[10:14] <_snake> Well is there anyway to do that, like seriously, if you add that to yours, you will get to pick from like a crap load more programs
[10:14] <mschmitt> well ... did you try to uncomment the universe line in the original sources.list?
[10:14] <_snake> in the package manager
[10:14] <_snake> Uhh no
[10:14] <_snake> lol
[10:15] <_snake> I didn't know I could...
[10:15] <_snake> well okay im going to go reinstall kubuntu again, ill come back when its back up
[10:15] <mschmitt> well after doing that i had the flashplayer stuff ..
[10:15] <mschmitt> well ... try just one other thing ...
[10:15] <_snake> whats that
[10:15] <nalioth> _snake: dont use non ubuntu pkgs
[10:15] <mschmitt> did you backup your sources.list?
[10:16] <_snake> I dont think so, hang on ill look
[10:16] <nalioth> mschmitt: not a problem
[10:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _snake about sources
[10:18] <_snake> OMG nalioth I DIDNT KNO ABOUT THAT!! LOL!! I wish I would have used that first :(
[10:18] <_snake> Okay im just going to go re install
[10:18] <_snake> ill go on my mIRC and chat with u guys while it goes tho
[10:18] <_snake> brb
[10:18] <v-dogg_> is mirc ported to kubuntu? :p
[10:19] <mschmitt> after you got your old sources.list back, you can do apt-get upgrade ...
[10:19] <mschmitt> maybe that helps
[10:19] <Ayiden> hi, can anyone tell me what program I need to be able to change .xm files to mp3?
[10:19] <mschmitt> (after apt-get update)
[10:19] <Ayiden> ubotu: xm
[10:19] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Ayiden
[10:19] <Ayiden> ubotu: .xm
[10:19] <ubotu> Ayiden: Syntax error in line 1
[10:21] <Snake_> Back
[10:21] <Snake_> :)
[10:22] <Snake_> Thank god debian is easy to install
[10:24] <Snake_> It's as tho everyone in this place died..
[10:24] <spity> hi
[10:25] <Snake_> lol hi
[10:25] <Ayiden> hi
[10:25] <Ayiden> anyone know a way to convert xm audio files to mp3 or ogg?
[10:29] <Snake_> La.
[10:30] <`Nomad> Hi..  I have a totally off-topic question.. What,s a synonym for "character flaw"?  :(
[10:30] <`Nomad> it,s for my kids homework and I'm french, can,t come up with one thing!
[10:30] <Snake_> A sysnonym for char flaw... uhhh
[10:31] <mschmitt> has anybody experience with the bluetooth stuff?
[10:31] <Snake_> A synonym is...something that is simaler right?
[10:31] <`Nomad> yes
[10:31] <`Nomad> :)
[10:31] <`Nomad> Thanks guys
[10:31] <mschmitt> anybody knows about bluetooth?
[10:32] <`Nomad> !bluetooth
[10:32] <ubotu> `Nomad: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:32] <mschmitt> :(
[10:32] <`Nomad> not ubotu.. :(
[10:32] <`Nomad> I wish I had bluetooth gadgets, none so far, so no expertise :(
[10:32] <Snake_> character defect perhaps?
[10:33] <mschmitt> well ... there is a wiki page ... but its not very usefull
[10:33] <Snake_> Nomad
[10:33] <Snake_> Would that work??
[10:33] <`Nomad> I came up with these:  lack, vice, fault, weakness, shortcoming
[10:33] <StDangney> hi jst wondering if anyone is having problem of installing a usb laserprinter with kubuntu brezzy?
[10:33] <`Nomad> dunno, I,ll give her them and she can figure out what she needs. :)
[10:33] <Snake_> OHHHHHH YOU MEAN LIKE A FLAW!! LOL!!!
[10:33] <Snake_> Hold on! I got plenty
[10:33] <judax> Achilles Heel
[10:34] <Snake_> imperfect>
[10:34] <`Nomad> LOL..  Sorry, I know it,s totally off-topic, but so many brainy people hang out here.. :)
[10:34] <`Nomad> thought I'd take a chance
[10:35] <Snake_> umm
[10:35] <ttrichle7> Hi, trying to use kubuntu in an corporate environment
[10:35] <Knowerrors> Will Skippy work with kde?
[10:35] <ttrichle7> need to enable vpn
[10:35] <`Nomad> I think she has enough by now, thanks for playing  ;)
[10:35] <`Nomad> !vpn
[10:35] <ubotu> `Nomad: I don't know, could you explain it?
[10:36] <Snake_> lol
[10:36] <Snake_> :)
[10:36] <`Nomad> Thanks Snake, have a great evening
[10:36] <ttrichle7> I saw pptp-linux not sure if that will do it
[10:36] <Snake_> you 2
[10:36] <StDangney> hi guys. have any of you install a hp laserjet with kubuntu successfully...?
[10:37] <Snake_> No sir
[10:37] <Snake_> !sources
[10:37] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:38] <StDangney> so currently there's no way of connecting kubuntu/ubuntu with a usb printer then...?
[10:38] <mianos> juhuuuuuu
[10:38] <mianos> my treo is syncing with kpilot
[10:38] <mianos> since 4 months i'm working for a solution
[10:39] <mianos> now it works
[10:39] <mianos> didldudey
[10:39] <mschmitt> congrats :)
[10:39] <Snake_> Nice
[10:39] <mschmitt> are you using bluetooth?
[10:39] <Snake_> StDangney: i'm sure its possible, did you install the drivers and all that?
[10:40] <StDangney> hi Snake_, yap i managed to get a couple of networked HP laserjet printer without any problem.
[10:40] <mschmitt> mianos: do you use bluetooth?
[10:41] <Snake_> StDangney: Well from beyond that, i'm sorry I can't help :(
[10:41] <StDangney> and when it comes to the usb-connected laser, kubuntu found it and add to the printer list but when i try to print test page, the usb printer jst doesnt do anything...
[10:41] <Snake_> Perhaps ask on kubutnu forums?
[10:41] <Snake_> http://kubuntuforums.net
[10:41] <StDangney> no worries, jst wondering if it's me or someone else is having the same pro.
[10:42] <StDangney> okeydokie... will do then. cheers,
[10:42] <Snake_> *nods*
[10:42] <libben> superkaramba is not as stable as karamba?
[10:42] <StDangney> i didnt even know there is a forum for kubuntu as well... :)
[10:43] <mianos> mschmitt: yes
[10:43] <mianos> cause usb is unable to run
[10:43] <mianos> i worked on this since 4 months
[10:44] <mianos> yeaha
[10:44] <Snake_> StDangney: still here?
[10:44] <StDangney> yap...
[10:44] <Snake_> Obviously....perhaps this has something to do with you (read above)
[10:45] <Snake_> mianos	cause usb is unable to run
[10:45] <bl3ssing> how can I read a realplayer file in linux?
[10:45] <mianos> Snake_: ?
[10:45] <StDangney> sorry Snake_, read where...?
[10:45] <mianos> wtf?
[10:45] <Snake_> mianos: nothin, i was quoting you
[10:45] <mianos> aja
[10:45] <bl3ssing> not read, but listen to a *.arm file ...
[10:46] <Snake_> mianos said: cause usb is unable to run so perhaps....
[10:46] <bl3ssing> is there any program ...?
[10:46] <Snake_> blessing, does it work in aramok?
[10:46] <mianos> Snake_: usb connection with treo 650 an pilot-xfer
[10:46] <Snake_> Or you could just do this
[10:46] <StDangney> ic. funny thing is i can use my usb flash memory stick without any problem
[10:46] <mianos> doesn't work
[10:46] <Snake_> http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner
[10:47] <Snake_> :)
[10:47] <Snake_> Oh okay mianos 
[10:47] <mianos> 0;)
[10:47] <StDangney> and kubuntu also seems to be able to detect the printer as well... :|
[10:47] <Snake_> odd
[10:47] <Snake_> bl3ssing: try aramok, or just use http://www.real.com/linux?pcode=rn&src=freeplayer_partner&opage=freeplayer_partner lol
[10:48] <Snake_> brb guys
[10:48] <StDangney> yap i know...
[10:48] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:48] <bl3ssing> but ... how can I install a bin file?
[10:48] <bl3ssing> i mean ... I've downloaded that real player for linux ... but it is a real.bin file
[10:48] <bl3ssing> how can I access it?
[10:48] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:49] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about cli
[10:50] <Knowerrors> Hey all, was viewing a jpg from an email in Firefox, in the default screen viewer, now I have a "Pan Icon" window that won't go away, even though the image viewer is closed, anybody know what this is and how to close it?
[10:50] <libben> anyone knows where i can get superkaramba newest deb?
[10:50] <libben> the one in repos is not the newest 
[10:52] <libben> nalioth: do u know if there is a place for unofficial debs ? like updated ones and not in the repos
[10:52] <nalioth> ubotu: tell libben about backports
[10:52] <nalioth> libben: using anything but official repos can wreck your box
[10:53] <libben> true, but isnt the repos in frozen state? and if i want something updated i need to go to dapper
[10:55] <_snake> hey again\
[10:58] <kairu0> hey snake
[10:59] <snake_> !sources
[10:59] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:03] <snake_> whats kubuntus default root password??
[11:04] <snake_> !rootpassword
[11:04] <ubotu> snake_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:04] <snake_> !root
[11:04] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:13] <Fillado> !xvid
[11:13] <ubotu> No idea, Fillado
[11:15] <nalioth> Fillado: what are you after?
[11:16] <Fillado> xvid
[11:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Fillado about w32codecs
[11:17] <Fillado> thanks
[11:26] <Knowerrors> Hi all, got two windows that say "Pan Icon" that won't close, opened with image viewer from Firefox, how do I close em please?
[11:26] <Ouaaaahhh> who try the KDE 3.5rc1 ?
[11:33] <Sgep> How can I use libssl0.9.8 on breezy?
[11:33] <Stele> now ive got ubuntu installed on the new machine
[11:33] <Stele> can someone recommend an easy method of getting a good nvidia driver installer?
[11:33] <Stele> installed even?
[11:33] <Stele> preferrably with an apt-get?
[11:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Stele about nvidia
[11:36] <Stele> heh, cool
[11:36] <Sgep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=442794
[11:36] <Stele> sweet
[11:36] <Sgep> ubotu: tell Sgep about libssl
[11:37] <Sgep> ubotu: tell Sgep about libssl0.9.8
[11:37] <Sgep> ubotu: tell Sgep about libssl0.9.7
[11:37] <nalioth> Sgep: what do you need?
[11:37] <Sgep> Which doesn't seem to be available in breezy
[11:37] <nalioth> !info libssl0.9.7
[11:37] <ubotu> libssl0.9.7: (SSL shared libraries), section libs, is important. Version: 0.9.7g-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2151 kB, Installed size: 5204 kB
[11:38] <Sgep> !info libssl0.9.8
[11:38] <nalioth> Sgep: please do not fish with the bot
[11:38] <nalioth> if you want libssl0.9.8, visit the homepage where it is made
[11:39] <nalioth> because .7 is hte latest one we have
[11:40] <crimsun> !info libssl0.9.8 dapper
[11:40] <Sgep> http://forums.themanaworld.org/viewtopic.php?t=1017
[11:41] <crimsun> 0.9.8 is in dapper
[11:42] <Stele> forgive me - those nvidia driver pages refer to "Synaptic" or "Kynaptic"
[11:42] <Stele> i dont seem to have either of those
[11:42] <wasp_ems> hi does anyone know how i can check my cpu??i have a laptop and the lite of the hard drive is going crazy plus i cant open some files
[11:42] <nalioth> crimsun: you recommend users to upgrade to dapper for one package?
[11:42] <Stele> but then,I just installed kubuntu
[11:42] <nalioth> Stele: use adept
[11:43] <Stele> roger
[11:43] <crimsun> nalioth: ...no
[11:43] <_snake> Okay this is total bullcrap. How come when I set breezy to us the sources found in !sources (from the IRC) my whole system goes whack.
[11:43] <crimsun> there has to be a darned good reason for wanting 0.9.8 in the first place.
[11:43] <nalioth> i dont consider dapper to be a viable source of programs
[11:44] <nalioth> and so i dont recomend it to folks
[11:44] <_snake> Now none of my drives are found in the "media" area, and most of those sources are no long avalible
[11:44] <_snake> !sources
[11:44] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:44] <Stele> maybe i should start with the SMP kernel
[11:44] <Stele> someone posted an apt-get earlier on how to get the 686 smp kernel
[11:45] <nalioth> Stele: search for it in adept
[11:45] <nalioth> Stele: it's quite easy
[11:45] <Stele> i see it there
[11:45] <Stele> all i need to do is "install" it, and will it become active automatically?
[11:46] <nalioth> Stele: thats correct
[11:46] <wasp_ems> nalioth: my computer for some reason is going very slow..i try to open some files and they dont..and my hard drive is just flashing like crazy...in the process list there are too many things..and i have no idea what to do or what to kill or know what is causing all this trouble
[11:46] <Stele> wow this is cool
[11:46] <Stele> so much better than RH9 :)
[11:47] <nalioth> wasp_ems: open a konsole and type "top"
[11:47] <Sgep> RH9?
[11:47] <Stele> RedHat 9
[11:47] <rrichie> hi all
[11:47] <rrichie> is it possible to connect to a distant existing X session (without having to log in) ?
[11:47] <wasp_ems> ok and now?
[11:48] <nalioth> wasp_ems: what is on the top of the list?
[11:48] <wasp_ems> xmms
[11:48] <nalioth> wasp_ems: turn off your xmms
[11:48] <wasp_ems> now ksysguard
[11:48] <wasp_ems> and xorg
[11:48] <nalioth> wasp_ems: is your box still sluggish?
[11:49] <wasp_ems> xmms is closed...but the system is the same
[11:50] <wasp_ems> but it still is on the top
[11:50] <nalioth> wasp_ems: xmms?
[11:50] <wasp_ems> yes
[11:50] <nalioth> wasp_ems: see the number under the PID column next to xmms?
[11:50] <wasp_ems> 7665
[11:51] <nalioth> wasp_ems: press q to quit top and then type "kill -9 7665"
[11:52] <wasp_ems> ok i did
[11:53] <nalioth> wasp_ems: is your machine still sluggish?
[11:53] <wasp_ems> but still same problem
[11:53] <Sgep> Are RPM's usable at all on Kubuntu?
[11:53] <nalioth> wasp_ems: type top again 
[11:53] <wasp_ems> i did xorg is on the top
[11:54] <wasp_ems> my hard drive has stopped flashing
[11:54] <wasp_ems> but when i click on the folder my documents which is a url to my windows partition xmms comes up again at the top and the hard drive flashes
[11:55] <nalioth> wasp_ems: i suspect xmms was hung
[11:55] <wasp_ems> what can i do?
[11:55] <nalioth> wasp_ems: do you have a system monitor kicker applet?
[11:55] <wasp_ems> i dont know
[11:56] <Sgep> Is there a GUI frontend for installing RPM's via alien?
[11:56] <nalioth> Sgep: you shouldnt use rpms
[11:57] <nalioth> Sgep: what pkg are you wanting?
[11:57] <Sgep> tmw
[11:57] <wasp_ems> nalioth: i found what the problem is but dont know how to solve it...apparently i cant open any folder on the system cause it comes up like trying to open it through xmms and play it...
[11:57] <Sgep> The debian repo provided doesn't work because kubuntu breezy doesn't provide libssl0.9.8
[11:57] <nalioth> wasp_ems: wow
[11:58] <wasp_ems> cant access home, applications etc
[11:58] <libben> is there anyway to remove the "panel" completly so i can use my osx inspired karamba theme?
[11:58] <nalioth> sgep the best way is to have apt-get build it from dapper source repos
[11:58] <nalioth> wasp_ems: i'd go to #ubuntu and ask in there
[11:58] <wasp_ems> but i know a solution
[11:58] <wasp_ems> ill restart
[11:58] <Sgep> nalioth: How, exactly?
[11:58] <wasp_ems> and go into the equivalent of safe mode
[11:59] <wasp_ems> fixed my probs last time
[11:59] <nalioth> Sgep: first go to packages.ubuntu.com and see if it exists for dapper
[11:59] <Sgep> It does
[11:59] <Sgep> I checked earlier
[12:00] <nalioth> Sgep: then open your sources.list for writing and clone a deb-src line from breezy
[12:01] <libben> is dapper anything u wanna trust yet? or is it to unstable?
[12:01] <troy> hey does anyone know why setting up modems and kppp in breezy is such a bitch?
[12:01] <nalioth> libben: it is very unstable 
[12:01] <troy> I'm using a real hardware modem and everything...
[12:02] <libben> remember u were saying that u downgraded to kde 3.4.3?
[12:02] <libben> so ill take ur word for it =)