=== dbc [n=dbc@pool-71-111-209-79.rlghnc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E4499.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-156-77.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === silvester [i=kappa@tauware.de] has joined #edubuntu === elizabeth [n=elizabet@lin-dsl-static-206-222-213-205.inetnebr.com] has joined #edubuntu === Grant_ [i=grant@85-210-9-136.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away [n=nsh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donpaolo@64.32.108.234] has joined #edubuntu [02:16] Hi guys! can I dist-upgrade from debian testing to edubuntu? thank you! [02:17] current testing ? [02:21] guess that wont work, is debian testing already frozen ? if yes, since when ? if not, i wouldnt suggest to even try it except youre a apt pinning expert === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.37.110.244] has joined #edubuntu [02:30] ogra: yes, current testing, with some packet from unstable [02:30] then i wouldnt suggest to try it ... [02:30] edubuntu breezy is older [02:31] ogra: no, it's a four-months-ago testing [02:32] and its a 5 months ago edubuntu ... [02:32] we had freezes where no updates cam in... [02:32] *came [02:47] re [02:49] ogra: I was reading about short content being ready after installing, so users would have something or samples instead of empty OS [02:49] how can exactly can we help? [02:49] short content ? [02:50] things go too fast that sometimes (usually) get lost and thinking I could have given hand there [02:50] yup [02:50] w8 [02:50] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/ExampleContent [02:51] also, there are many things in LaunchPad but I ignore how one can exactly help there [02:52] its in fact what you wanted to do with your content stuff you described the other day ... [02:52] just go on as you described :) [02:52] ooooh [02:52] the common apps of ubuntu are covered ... [02:53] we can make a edubuntu-example-content package ... [02:53] i see, very related [02:53] while i still think we should have a -cl -de -fr -es -en -etc version for each lang [02:55] yup [02:55] actually, I have been thinking about the best suitable way to name packages [02:56] I guess this could be: [02:56] PackageName_Language_Subject_Level.dpkg [02:57] now, the point is.. how do we manage 10.000 excercises of Math? [02:57] you cant use underscores ... and there is a versioning scheme for packages ... [02:58] this can result in *very* long filenames [02:58] each teacher makes a file? all excercises of Geometry are in just one file we all maintain? [02:58] underscores? oh, no, that was to separate parameters only [02:59] i would make the level a config option so you can just reconfigure the package as needed [02:59] so, how would you picture the daily work for this? [02:59] and how would you name it? [02:59] and swap the subject and language to match the common ubuntu package name scheme [03:00] edubuntu-math-exercises-cl_0.1-1.deb [03:00] for example [03:01] just install all subjects, diskspace is chep [03:01] *cheap [03:02] yup, indeed but how do you picture we could manage the actual work? I mean, KIG has its file format. I create a Kig file with one excercise. Then 10 other teachers do the same. [03:02] I endup with 11 kig files [03:03] My initial idea was that we can rate those excercises by using them and giving them EduPoints [03:03] based on how well or easy to get it was [03:03] yup [03:03] how well structured it is [03:03] sounds fine [03:04] make osure the teachers agree to the CC license [03:04] does sounds fine but I cant picture how to do it the whole thing of submitting files and even rating [03:04] sort it in folders and we can install it in a appropriate location [03:04] of course, licensed free [03:05] so you say we should think of a file tree? [03:05] and use Bzr? [03:05] for the package, indeed [03:05] oh, yeah, that would be really cool === mhz needs to learn more on 'the way developers work with files' [03:10] ogra: edubuntu comes with moodle? [03:21] next release [03:22] ooh, so I was right. A person asked me and I said 'no' but then I felt not sure [03:23] it was planned for breezy, but didnt make it [03:23] and what's the use of getting it as default app? [03:23] ask the teachers we had at the summit [03:23] they want it... [03:23] as well as mediawiki [03:24] hehehe [03:24] yup, but in you opinion? [03:25] i dont know the school CMS systems good enough to judge [03:25] LOL [03:25] technically every app that not uses php is fine for me [03:25] you are being politician now [03:25] me too [03:25] but since there seem to be only php driven CMS for schools... [03:26] hmmmmmmmmmm [03:26] i guess there might be some python CMS or LMS out there [03:26] so what do you expect from me... technically its crap and usability wise i cant judg [03:26] e [03:26] if not, that sounds like a nice project to invest on [03:27] ogra: hehehe [03:27] i think schooltool is on its way [03:27] that's an opinion! [03:27] but its not there yet, and teachers want something to use *now* [03:27] ogra: so, is there anything you think I can help on dapper? (besides evangelising stuff) [03:28] and since moodle is the best known one, i think it was the correct chioce [03:28] (you know I have no coding skills yet) [03:28] so far, yes [03:28] so go on with your content project... [03:29] motivate some artworkers :) [03:29] hehehe [03:29] help testing ;) [03:29] I have Pablo portafolio [03:30] he was very excited with just the 'far chance' to get payed a little for theming work [03:30] we'll have the first CDs really soon this time [03:31] the only little problem with him is that I have to be wip him from time to time [03:31] :D === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] ogra: yes, I know I can do that 'social' part but I still feel it is not fair just you and few others do all the 'hands-on- work [03:32] arkan0x: holas! [03:32] mhz, ! hi [03:32] pv [03:32] okeeeey [03:33] mhz, so grab something, work on it and show me the work if you want to come in the coders corner :) [03:33] heheh [03:33] i know "show me the code" [03:33] hence I asked.. anything I can do (not coding)? [03:33] well, maybe you are right. [03:34] it's simple. Either you program or you do the social part [03:36] or the conten part :) [03:36] or the artwork part ... [03:36] yah [03:36] there is more than black and white [03:36] indeed [03:36] I slap myself for not startinglearning python before when I had the chance [03:38] ogra: tomorrow I start participating in a very important 7 day event [03:38] http://mac.uchile.cl [03:39] I'll be part of the CDSL (www.cdsl.cl) [03:39] http://www.mac.uchile.cl/ [03:39] I will give away some Ubuntu CDs [03:39] xD [03:39] breezy ones [03:39] but soon enough, I'll have another event (free software only related) [03:40] and then I'll run out of cds in a second [03:40] heh [03:40] I emailed JaneSilber yesterday morning [03:41] and still no answer on Ubuntu Conference Pack [03:41] i think she came back from travelling today [03:42] also, I know shipping is slow and for small amount of quatities because over 50 CDs, then Chilean Customs get very freaked out and we gotta pay expensive rates [03:42] so, I have no clue how to bypass this [03:48] ogra: d'u think edupoints is ok or it should be karma? [03:48] as you like, i think edupoints sounds good :) [03:49] i ask because of the contributon perspective of karma [03:49] I mean 100.000 edupoints would mean a lot of work [03:59] ogra: why is that I can do ghemical /usr/share/doc/ghemical/examples/bromobenzene.gpr BUT [03:59] i cant do File -> Open -> /usr/... [03:59] i see nothing below [03:59] like I had no permission [04:00] doubleclick [04:01] i know [04:01] I go all the way from /home to /usr [04:02] i get inside usr and there is no dirs [04:02] but via terminal I know there are lots of them [04:02] works here ... [04:02] no idea what that is... [04:02] and ts bedtime for me (4am) [04:03] ogra: ooops [04:03] sorry [04:03] ok [04:03] nite Mr. Dapper [04:03] why sorry ? [04:03] or Mr. diaper [04:03] sorry to keep you up [04:03] i like to stay up this long ... [04:03] heh [04:03] ooo === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:04] but my Gf gets angry at some point ... [04:04] Mr. Server has arrived [04:04] night [04:04] I imagine [04:04] night [04:04] all women get angry with that [04:05] mr. server? [04:05] yup thats me... [04:05] hi [04:08] hey [04:09] where are you from jerome? [04:13] your last name sounds spanish. [04:13] Im from Croatia. [04:13] But in Canada now. [04:13] Not that it is related to anything.. === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] Im gonna go write my procedural document... [04:14] mhz, parece ke es capa 8 [04:14] XD [04:14] no [04:14] por 4ta vez.. [04:14] paso a paso [04:14] cuando entro a /usr no sale nada , pero tu subes con las flechita y con el scroll [04:15] aparece [04:15] subes el scroll y aparece [04:16] teni toda la raja partida!! [04:16] sorry [04:16] soy oficialmente layer 8 [04:16] o layer 0 [04:16] jajjaa [04:16] lol [04:17] me voy ha hacer una polera que me haga orgulloso de ser capa 8 [04:17] I love layer 8 [04:17] hahaa [04:17] layer 8 pOOW4! [04:17] jaja [04:18] hihihi [04:19] measure state is 1 [04:19] rotate_z skipped ; counter = 1 [04:19] Segmentation fault [04:19] booo [04:19] seee [04:19] ese es el error xD [04:19] jejee [04:19] ghemical era bueno [04:19] ES BUENO ! [04:19] sin segmentation fault [04:20] pero el ke lo empaketo ....no lo hizo bien [04:20] yo lo compilo del source y anda bien , el ghemical de edubuntu es la penultima version , salio este anno [04:20] en debian stable/testing esta la version 1.0 y esa no se cae para nada ,pero es gtk1 [04:22] hmmm [04:22] el del source que version es? [04:23] el de ubuntu , 1.90 [04:24] yo igual he compilado 1.90 y 191 y hasta el momento 0 rollo [04:24] eske ghemical se puede compilar con opciones ,soporte pa openbabel , mpqc y mopac7 [04:24] tb con soporte bonobo , ke no cacho [04:26] arkan0x: please school me with such things. I need some of that info for edubuntu talks [04:27] arkan0x: why dont you provide a compiled ghemical by you? [04:27] the one that works === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz going to sleep === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.37.110.244] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === Orandic [n=asd@stjhnf0122w-142162033121.nl.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.89.148] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === live [n=live@83-131-251-143.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === Katsumoto [n=teraflop@bbned225-210-100.dsl.hccnet.nl] has joined #edubuntu === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [01:45] hello [01:46] Is it difficult to make your own version of ubuntu? What did you have to do, set up your own repository and then modify the installer, or is there more? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu [] === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:25] hi all [02:25] hi mhz [02:26] hi, juliux [02:26] your english is getting betta [02:27] juliux: did you use the CdCoverAndSlip? [02:27] mhz, until jet not, but i think we will make some edubuntu cds for the linux days at the beginning of december [02:28] mhz, but only s/w [02:28] okidoki [02:28] hehe [02:28] juliux: any chances you could upload the Black and White covers you use? [02:29] mhz, yes i can make [02:29] this way others can also benefit from it [02:29] mhz, i will try to make a cd cover for a slim case [02:30] I intenttionaly left the left side of the CD cover with no info, so LoCo teams could even add their own country's flag or something [02:30] mhz, very good idea [02:30] mhz, ubuntu/edubuntu will have a both on the next cebit! [02:31] juliux: i have a problem: For my non-native english, Cd cover is the thing we stick on the CD. Cd Slip is the case/envelope cardboard stuff. Is that same for you? [02:31] educool!!! [02:31] mhz, for me is the cd cover what you do on the case of a cd [02:32] aahhhhhhh [02:32] mhz, the other on is a cd label [02:32] mhz, that is what i think [02:32] good point [02:33] we should ask a native one [02:33] mhz, the cd label you print on the cd [02:33] mhz, yes we should [02:33] otherwise we're gonna have very diff problems :D [02:33] mhz, yes of course === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [02:34] ok, juliux so I intentionally left the CD label left side with no info so you can add your own logo or falg :) [02:34] mhz, ok [02:34] that Cd label is already done in 1 color [02:34] so you either print it Black and White or Red and White [02:35] mhz, but i will do no cd labe, i will only write with a pen on the cd [02:35] oh [02:36] well, the CD 'cover' is white background [02:36] but it wont work well for CD case [02:36] mhz, because to print out a cd label is to expensive to print out cd labes [02:37] ideed [02:37] indeed === mhz is now known as mhz_phone === mhz_phone is now known as mhz [02:38] mhz, so i will take the the front side from the cdandslip and will printet out and will use it as cdcover [02:39] good idea [02:39] maybe the world wil not look good unless you make it GreyScale [02:39] mhz, this i think will printet out in color [02:40] oh, better! [02:40] mhz, i will printet out at my ink-jet printer [02:40] how about a sticker instead of CD label? [02:41] will that let the CD drive work ok? [02:41] I mean, I know hand writing is 'free' but it may give wrong impression to public [02:41] mhz, the problem is if you stick something on the cd it can be that the data on the cd will destroyed [02:41] oh [02:42] i see [02:42] so i think you shouldn't stick anything on the cd [02:46] good point [02:47] mhz, what we can do is we can print directly on the cd but [02:47] at the moment i don't have such a printer === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] the other possibility is LightScribe but this only works with windows [02:50] puaj!! [02:51] juliux: wrong. there is no other possibility :D [02:51] What does LightScribe do? [02:52] mhz, http://www.lightscribe.com/use/winterholidays.aspx?id=226# such nice things [02:53] mhz, it looks very cool i think [02:53] mhz, but the blank cds cost 60cent [02:56] wow that's expensive [02:57] jsgotangco, i hope that i will be cheaper in the next month [03:00] http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.de%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=lightscribe&category0= [03:00] there you can see what i cost [03:01] juliux: how about KLabels or glabels? [03:01] mhz, what do you mean? [03:05] have you tried any of those? === mhz hasn't [03:06] mhz, yes i have use glabels [03:09] mhz, very nice tool [03:09] I used it once for biz card === juliux too === juliux have to make biz cards for ubuntu and edubuntu [03:11] there is already a model uploaded in wiki [03:11] UNFORTUNATELY, it is made for Adobe Illustrator === mhz still complains this inconsequences after reading Manifesto [03:12] mhz, i want to have a doublesite biz card for me, one side edubuntu and ubuntu other site privat [03:12] oh [03:13] mhz, because i need this if i make contact on fairs [03:13] i see [03:13] of course [03:13] can you insert a .png or .jpg in Glabels? [03:13] mhz, good question [03:13] I tried it, unsuccesfully [03:13] mhz, i have there some people in german who will me design my cards [03:14] oohhh === mhz envys juliux [03:14] :) === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-188-200.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] hi jane_ [03:27] JaneW: there's gonna be some activities in Chile, regarding Free Software and education starting today until january. I have gotten no answer from Jane.silber yet. I did get some breezy cds, thoug. [03:27] jane_: there's gonna be some activities in Chile, regarding Free Software and education starting today until january. I have gotten no answer from Jane.silber yet. I did get some breezy cds, thoug. [03:28] In chile, for hoary, a friend of mine requested over 60 cds for an Install Fest and Chilean customs made him pay about U$100 for them [03:29] jane_: JaneW: based on that fact, this time I only reuqested 50 Cds [03:31] but ofcourse they'll be given away about 25 during today and next friday (i'll have to reduce the handing out). Next 2xth saturday, there's gonna be an install fest in which I am also participating. I'll need to give away the other 25 [03:31] today, I participate in a Expo about IT for Video and Sound. I even got a small stand [03:32] mhz: awesome [03:32] JaneW: jane_: it will be very helpful if we could get a Conference Pack soon [03:32] mhz: Jane Silber isn;t back in the office yet, she is still touring the states AFAIK [03:32] she hasn;t been on-line since UBZ [03:33] marilize has the conf pack stuff, so she is the person to contact [03:33] ping her on IRC [03:33] the funds we have raised (not much but enough for this expo and next install fest) are already aimed to be spent. After these events, I am in zero again :D === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu [03:33] bwteen 7:00 - 12:00 UTC [03:33] ooops [03:33] ok, i'll do that effort [03:34] my focus is to help with getting the stuff developed [03:34] that's about 4:00 and 9:00 AM here :) [03:34] jane_: I understand === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [03:35] jane_: you have an email for marilize? [03:36] jane_: and who's te one to re-request more breezy CD's? Of course, to avoid chilean customs stupidity, I'll have to use every Tecnocimiento pal names :) [03:36] JaneW: and who's te one to re-request more breezy CD's? Of course, to avoid chilean customs stupidity, I'll have to use every Tecnocimiento pal names :) [03:36] mhz: yes, I did give it to you before (but she was at UBZ) marilize@ubuntu.com [03:37] we get 100s of mails a day though, so it's hard to get to everyone [03:37] JaneW: oh, sorry for my bad memory [03:37] although I would love for you to get a conf pack so you can do your thing! [03:37] JaneW: np, I am not that pushy :) [03:37] hehe [03:37] yup, it would be ideal [03:37] mhz: marilize is in charge of CD distribution [03:38] info @ ubuntu.cpm goes to her too [03:38] JaneW: actually, there's gonna be press cover in the most importan newspapers in Chil;e [03:38] and all the CD orders [03:38] chile [03:39] and the other good news is that I have been asked to write a 600 word article on Liunux on Education (obviously, i'll use about 400 for Edubuntu :) ) [03:39] that article is gonna be distributed free of charge to 1000 schools in Chile [03:40] mhz: you ROCK! [03:40] hehehe, not that much yet, but I hope to [03:40] it's time for me to go, my son is 'graduating' today [03:40] congrats! [03:40] from preschool, starting big school next year [03:40] congrats!1 [03:40] hehe [03:40] proud mom [03:40] they are making a big deal of it [03:40] of course [03:41] we have to go all dressed up and have a dinner etc [03:41] sweet [03:41] he's growing [03:41] anyway being 6 year olds, dinner is at 6pm [03:41] (early) [03:41] hehehe [03:41] sure [03:41] lol [03:41] anyway see you all next week [03:41] nice weekend and party [03:41] I will ask Marilize to sort you out, she is in CT too [03:41] JaneW, have fun [03:41] okidoki [03:41] thx [03:41] maybe mail again and CC me? [03:41] sure! [03:42] then I can chase that directly for you [03:42] thanks [03:42] bye :) [03:42] ciao [03:42] bye Oli [03:42] ogra: didnt you get slaped when you went to bed that early/late? [03:42] nah [03:42] never :) [03:42] ogra rocks! [03:43] hehe [03:43] I always get punched and told off if i go to bed after 1:00 AM [03:43] heh [03:43] :) [03:44] esp. because i do not want to wake up at 7:00 AM when my daughter starts asking for breakfast [03:45] and as my wife is the one supporting this house and expenses (she's the one getting money)... I m in charge of the house [03:45] and family biz [03:45] biz =stuff [03:45] anyways, time to cook [03:45] lol === mhz is now known as mhz_cooking === mhz_cooking BBL [04:32] ahh crap kjcole left [04:32] i was about to ask him something === \sh is now known as \sh_away === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === unimatrix9 [n=leslie@dsl103-25.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #edubuntu [08:23] hello there [08:24] is there any change of an edubuntu live cd in the near future? [08:24] chance... [08:24] err [08:24] :) [08:25] will there be an edubuntu live cd in the near future? [08:28] ? [08:28] no? [08:28] is that the answer,,, silence? [08:29] means no? === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.246.169] has joined #edubuntu [08:31] anybody here? [08:31] yes me [08:31] unimatrix9, next release [08:32] well thats very good news [08:32] great [08:32] :) [08:32] when will next release be due? [08:32]