[12:07] hey Riddell [12:09] is it a known bug that the gtk theme selector doesn't list anything but qt and raleigh? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] Diablo-D3: here does list all [12:34] bah, sleep -> [12:34] Meh. [12:34] it wont for me =/ [01:04] http://insidethedotnet.blogspot.com/2005/11/next-sucks.html [01:27] Diablo-D3: gtk theme selector lists qt? cool [01:47] Riddell: the one in kcontrol =P === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7269.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] Diablo-D3: maybe that's the only themes you have [01:52] Riddell: no, I have others installed [01:53] Riddell: gtk2-engines-clearlooks === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seaLne [n=sealne@obelisk.wasters.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k|away [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away [n=nsh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #kubuntu-devel === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63560.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.225] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan_away [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === SSJ [n=simon@84.9.144.158] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50907C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying is away: Away at the moment === freeflying is back. === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-9-177.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] yoyo [10:02] Riddell? [10:02] http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-banner.png [10:02] what site did you use to make this? [10:02] i was there once, but i forgot, and i want to make a few of those myself :( [10:02] ooh [10:02] I think I have that in my bookmarks [10:02] oooh! [10:03] http://gtmcknight.com/buttons/index.php [10:03] follow the links off that page [10:03] he links to two or three sites that do that [10:04] yes! thanks!! [10:05] I just realized something [10:05] I may, infact, have all the interesting parts of the net in my bookmarks [10:05] I have significantly increased the startup time of firefox due to the size of my bookmarks === Diablo-D3 measures his bookmark file in megs. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] lol === bobuse [n=dumoulin@cfp6018.clermont.cemagref.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] Hi there ! How does adept go to admin mode ? I want to allow to adept to be launched without password, but adept isn't launched with sudo command but with kdesu [10:22] I've looked at sources ( http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept/manager/app.cpp?rev=465064&view=markup ), but found nothing :-( [10:35] bobuse: you say it, it goes to admin mode via kdesu.. [10:35] ok, but I want to bypass the password dialog box, how can I do ? [10:36] there's a keep password checkmark on the dialog, but I've never used it [10:36] if that doesn't work then I don't know.. [10:37] I've added /usr/bin/adept in sudoers with NOPASSWD [10:37] but it works only when I run adept in a term by "sudo adept" [10:38] tvo: the checkbox doesn't work through session [10:38] ah [10:42] alias kdesu='sudo' ? :) === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A639A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] Any KDE updates planned for dapper? [10:43] http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php [10:43] there's something mentioned [10:46] Tm_T: I am stuck with a horrbly broken desktop since the qt update in dapper. It would be great if some fixes would make it into that distribution, too [10:47] Oh, the stuff is waiting for the C++ transition. [10:47] hum [10:47] I have all working fine [10:47] dapper and 3.5RC1 [10:47] Good, I can understand that:-) [10:48] Tm_T: I'm at dapper plus beta2. [10:48] then use RC1 [10:48] Tm_T: Thanks for the tip.I'll do that (even though I had hoped not having to use non-dapper repositories). [10:52] heh === bobuse [n=dumoulin@cfp6018.clermont.cemagref.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-255-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:15] Tm_T: can you make akregtor(from kde3.5rc1) work in dapper [11:15] well, I compile kdepim myself [11:15] from svn [11:15] and is working just fine === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] Riddell: kdeaddons_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 needs ICE-love [02:55] lamont-away: which it will get with the 3.5 upload due after the libstdc++ transition, but I can do a 3.4.3 upload if you want [02:55] no worries - if it's just going to change and all that, it can wait a week [02:55] although I might forget and upload it.... :-) === author-psi [n=marcel@p50907C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] Riddell: fwiw, kdebluetooth also ICE [03:17] and amarok === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D28D3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] <\sh> amarok needs more love then only ICE [03:36] <\sh> or I will remove again the libvisual support [03:41] \sh: couldn't get libvisual working? [03:42] <\sh> Riddell: well..libvisual is failing on ppc [03:43] <\sh> Riddell: and libvisual-plugins is broken like hell...not worth it to fix it by ourselves...I checked with fedora and they removed half of the shiny stuff [03:44] <\sh> but for amarok we do need libvisual on our 3 main platforms...and libvisual-plugins for the "funny sparkeling and jumping pixels while u are listening to tekkno and using extasy" [03:46] <\sh> which means...fixing libvisual is 1st prio..(i need some ppc to work and test) and libvisual we could send to universe [03:50] does libvisual do anything without libvisual-plugins? [03:51] <\sh> Riddell: lets say it like this: libvisual-plugins are not doing anything without libvisual... [03:51] <\sh> Riddell: and without libvisual-plugins, the libvisual support in amarok is useless [03:53] <\sh> but thinking about it now...we could bring amarok-1.3.5 or what ever amarok is out there now to dapper without libvisual{-plugins} and waiting to have working libvisual plugins for dapper +1 [03:54] <\sh> smoking...brb [04:04] https://launchpad.net/people/tvon who's that? in katapult-dev team [04:04] not tvo? [04:04] no [04:11] no [04:13] is there a katapult dev team on launchpad? [04:13] apparantly there is :) [04:13] https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev === tvo joins === tvo joins kubuntu team too [04:18] <\sh> Riddell: what do u think about removing libvisual support from amarok and do it for dapper+1? [04:19] \sh: fine with me :) [04:20] <\sh> Riddell: ok...I'll prepare some packages :) [04:20] Riddell can you edit the members of that team in launchpad? it says mine has expired? [04:20] <\sh> or actually we can wait after c++ trans and kde3.5 uploads [04:21] jjesse: which team? === hunger [n=hunger@p54A647F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50907C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50905BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-213-220.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@ip212-226-140-97.adsl.kpnqwest.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:24] hi all [07:25] hello [07:26] hi === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-9-177.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-207.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] Tonio_: what's the status of yukuake? [08:10] alleelast version is uploaded to dapper [08:10] alleeHol: [08:10] sorry ;) [08:10] np [08:11] so we're up to date [08:11] well, then I had a typo. Question is had you an wnpp submitted? Background: anja just commited a version for debian :( [08:12] wnpp ? what does this mean ? [08:12] hmm nothing: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=yukuake [08:13] alleeHol: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=yakuake&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all [08:13] http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp # this is the pseudo pkg used to submit ITP RFS and RTP ;) [08:14] okay [08:15] Tonio_ I'll write anja to contact you about yukuake [08:15] yep [08:16] Tonio_: If you've any other pkgs only in kubuntu it would be nice if you could submit RFS (request for sponsor) to wnpp pkg. Wnpp is normaly the first place a debian devel check before starting pkging === Mez [i=gga@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:16] AFAIR this was also somewhere in MOTU pages [08:17] hum [08:17] in fact I'm taking away from the debian community ;) [08:17] that's not a good thing, of course, but that's it... [08:19] Tonio_: just a wnpp is not much additional work. One has to do it only once in pkg lifetime [08:19] only once ? [08:19] I quite don't understand..... [08:19] and what about updates ? [08:20] in fact about all my packages aren't packages for debian [08:20] If one starts pkg one submits an wnpp bug report (ITP interest to pkg) and with claims: I do it, don't waste your time. [08:21] with first upload you close the bug in the changelog: * Initial upload (Closes: #itp-bug-number) that it. [08:22] In your case: you send a RFS or RTP (request for sponsor/ to package) and let others know that you are working on it to prevent duplicate work [08:23] what do you call a "request for sponsor" ? [08:23] what to goal of it ? [08:23] A debian devel interested in the pkg will contact you and upload the pkg for you [08:23] in fact, consider that I don't know anything about wnpp :) [08:24] okay.... [08:24] and what about packages updates ? [08:24] I understand the point for an initial package [08:25] but do we have to send a RFS for every update ? [08:25] Tonio_: wnpp bug-reports are there to prevent duplicate pkging efford in debian [08:25] for updates there are several possibilities: [08:26] Tonio_: a) as I do: devel on kubuntu. pbuild and test on sid and send to sponsor. He upload and ubuntu autosyncs ;) [08:27] b) send a notification that to the one uplaoded the pkg to sid and let take him/her care [08:27] c) for a development team so both know that going on and when to upload ;) [08:28] Tonio_: c) is the best imho [08:28] Tonio_: I'll cc you the Mail to anja [08:28] I don't understand c ;) [08:29] alleeHol: can you describe C ? [08:29] Tonio_: yes ... [08:30] no verb in your phrase, and my english is quite limited lol [08:30] Tonio_: I'll try to avoid noun too, maybe this helps [08:31] alleeHol: yep :) [08:32] my question would be [08:32] Tonio_: for c): e.g., use a source code repo [or keep each other informed via e-mail (stone age;) ] [08:32] what is REVU usefull for ? [08:32] Tonio_ for reviewing packages by MOTUs [08:32] if I follow you, it is better packaging for debian, and then let ubuntu autosync right ? [08:34] Tonio_: well, when one cares that a pkg is also in debian and uptodate yes (IMHO) [08:34] sounds strcturally like a kind of mess ;) [08:35] Tonio_: yes, unfortunately :( === olwin installation kubuntu sAway at the moment [08:37] Tonio_: but it's no requirement that a kubuntu pkg cares about debian (nice if he does not not required) [08:38] Tonio_: nevertheless as a minimum of care I consider to submit a RFP to the wnpp pseudo-package to bugs.debian.org [08:39] Tonio_: back to were we started, right? === alleeHol is now known as allee [08:41] allee: yes ;) [08:41] the problem is that I wanna contribute and help in the best way [08:41] but anyway, I have a private life, a job etc... [08:41] I don't want to become addicted to this [08:41] ;) [08:42] but I'll have a look at that yes [08:42] Tonio_: no offense intended. We all do your best and mine of most of the time not worth to mention [08:42] maybe just posting rfs would be good [08:43] allee: don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your effort in elping us (and me !) to make things in the best possible way [08:43] of RTP, this means you will not test on debian and the one who pick it up for debian should do it [08:43] yep [08:44] s/or/of/ [08:44] the problem is in the source in fact [08:44] argl! [08:44] not to what you ask, that I perfectly understand [08:44] why don't they decide of a unique package format, that would be build by the upstream [08:44] argh !!! ;) [08:45] that debian/ubuntu/mepis/blabla world would need a unique plateform [08:45] for packagers [08:45] distros are too different ;) [08:45] hum [08:46] talking about ubuntu yes [08:46] mepis is just a debian packaged in a specific way [08:46] think about dependencies, mit API changes backporting gets non trival even in the same distro [08:46] I don't think ededicated developpment is done on mepis [08:47] allee: you're right ;) (frustrating, but you're always right hehe) [08:47] Well, I only care about kubuntu and debian. More than enough for my free time. never tried mepis yet [08:48] mepis breaks the GPL and ships win32codecs [08:48] we all have the same problem -> days are 24 hours only.... [08:48] Tonio_: until later. Kids make a revolution here. They need a peacemaker :) [08:48] need to migrate to venus for exemple [08:48] one day is 6 months here hehe :) [08:49] Riddell: ah ? I new for w32codecs, but never heard about the GPL..... [08:49] Riddell: that's really bad....... [08:50] I havn't been able to find sources for their Qt installer, and neither has anyone else [08:51] possible the guy has a licence, but I suspect not [08:52] allee: I'm in a very, very bad moon today in fact [08:53] allee: that is the reason I'm not very "positive" like always [08:53] allee: I'm preparing to the worst week in my working career... [08:53] Tonio_: oh! [08:54] allee: can you imagine I'm going in a company to install a linux server, with apache, then make an index.html with two frames, and just create another page with html links [08:54] allee: and I have to stay there for 5 days......... [08:54] WHAT WILL I DO ??????????? === Tonio_ thinks he is gonna die........ === author-psi [n=marcel@p50905BD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:55] allee: the point is, if I do it in 3 hours, which I suspect, my company will be VERY unhappy === Riddell hugs Tonio_ [08:55] who's wanting to test a kubuntu flight CD tonight? [08:56] Riddell: that could be good for my mood ;) [08:56] Tonio_: install a dapper changeroot and fix pkg bugs or create new pkgs (+ RTP of course ;) [08:56] hopefully it'll be available in a hour or so === jpatrick [n=patrick@146.Red-81-44-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] allee: I didn't say that -> no access to internet.......... [08:57] Riddell: I have only 8k downlink. no good idea tonight;) [08:57] allee: 4 days looking at my screen, pretending that I have a big problem, blablabla [08:57] Tonio_: no internet?? Call the police, that's criminal [08:58] allee: in fact they have, but would you, as a contractor, spend your day on the net (they have a loging proxy) ? [08:58] and I'm not sure that contractors have access anyway [08:58] Tonio_: eh, really bad! [08:59] allee: can you imagine that company is gonna pay 3000 for a RHES installation ? [08:59] that completly STUPID [08:59] Tonio_: sneak in a Kubuntu CD there :) [08:59] Tonio_: can't you spend the rest of the time fixing Kubuntu bugs? === allee nods [08:59] Anyone know where the "Support" page went? [09:00] Riddell: fixing ? I'm not a developper.... I only can test and report :) [09:00] jpatrick: link fixed, sorry about that [09:01] Tonio_: I'm sure there's lots of bugzilla things can be cleaned out or marked as duplicate or marked as "please explain this" etc [09:01] Riddell: No problem, someguy on the forums brought it up [09:01] Riddell: that requires internet access.... === Tonio_ thinks about commiting a suicide, that the only solution [09:02] Tonio_: you don't have internet access? [09:02] at home yes [09:02] how are you going to set up apache without internet access? [09:02] not next week [09:03] Riddell: yes, I will have to set up apache without internet access [09:03] that's the trick ;) [09:03] but it is a redhat ES [09:03] umm, why is it being set up if it doesn't have internet access? [09:03] everything is shipped with it [09:04] it is for the intranet, not internet, it is possible [09:04] Riddell: that's the reason I was talking about my worst week working EVER ;) [09:05] take a good book? [09:05] Riddell: hum, I'll be in an open space [09:05] Riddell: however hard I try I can't seem to get moodin to make a *.orig.tar.gz :( [09:05] so I will have to pretend to work... for 4 days [09:05] what a bullshit in fact ! [09:06] ho yes ;) [09:06] jpatrick: you make the .orig.tar.gz, it should pick it up and use it (assuming it's named correctly) [09:06] This is the sixth time I've tried [09:06] Riddell: scanning all the book and read it with a big less in shell ;) nobody will see ;) hahaha [09:07] Make it by hand it is [09:07] jpatrick: what are you naming the file? [09:07] Just running dpkg-buildpackage (does it by it self) [09:07] jpatrick: you have to make the .orig file [09:07] got it [09:07] it doesn't get done for you [09:08] Riddell: I may have to time to write documentation for kubuntu !!! [09:08] that can be done locally ;) [09:08] Tonio_: ooh, good idea [09:08] Tonio_: writing docs for Kubuntu? [09:08] hum what king of would be usefull ? [09:08] that would be awesome :) [09:08] although I don't know what's ready to be worked on, need to ask jjesse [09:09] well, I will unfortunatelly have a lot of time to try not to sleep so ;) [09:09] hopefully this weekend will lay the ground work to get started [09:10] jjesse: I'l be there on sunday evening [09:10] jjesse: make sure to svn update, I've done quite a few changes today [09:10] i did already [09:10] if you have anything to be done, PLEASE ask !!! [09:10] that would keep me alive ! [09:11] i almost have the docs moved dropping the k [09:11] I also can make translation [09:12] Tonio_: Rosseta [09:12] jpatrick: no internet access !!! [09:12] damn [09:12] jpatrick: yep :) [09:13] packaging without internet access is also not possible......... [09:13] Riddell: svn up should get the docs w/ k's [09:14] Tonio_: unless you send the package by snail mail (on a floppy etc) [09:14] jpatrick: well internet is necessary to get informations, checking which packages are required [09:15] and also, pbuilder without internet is limited unless I have all in the cache [09:16] documentation is the only thing I can do, but I'd like to ;) [09:16] Riddell: okay to add REVU and wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu to resources to check for pkging work under way? [09:16] allee: please do [09:17] 'k. I'll make a list out of it. the sentense is already quite long [09:17] allee: add wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages [09:17] allee: what does wnpp stand for? [09:17] Riddell: ah now I have a diff.gz and a orig.tar.gz :) [09:17] jpatrick: awooga [09:18] wnpp is the pseudo pkg in bugs.debian.org used to organize pkging effort (Work Needing and Prospective Packages AFAIR) [09:19] Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp === jpatrick wonders if ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2 was the right thing to call it [09:19] allee: I know what it is, just didn't know what it stood for. quite a cryptic name [09:19] jpatrick: looks good [09:19] jpatrick: let me know when you want me to review it [09:19] Riddell: heh! quite true [09:20] ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig is not - (wanted ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2.orig) [09:20] Did say that^ [09:23] jpatrick: hmm [09:23] jpatrick: .orig should be ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig.tar.gz [09:24] jpatrick: directory should be ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2 [09:29] ** flight-1 testers please http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051118.2/ [09:29] whats a flight testor? [09:31] jjesse: flight is the name of the occational dapper testing CDs [09:31] a flight is the collective noun for dragons [09:31] Riddell: downloading [09:31] Tonio_: what arch? [09:31] i386 [09:31] cool [09:32] I'll do amd64 then [09:32] don't suppose we have any ppc users here? === Riddell eyes up amu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60F99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:33] Riddell: necessary to test install cd or is there a livecd ? [09:35] downloading i386 [09:35] Tonio_: live CD is building stilL [09:35] still [09:35] jjesse: excellent [09:36] Riddell: okay, so testing the installcd [09:36] Riddell: okay [09:37] jjesse: who's the server guide dude again? [09:37] Riddell: bhurvan or something like [09:37] ah yes, we need to ask him not to use xinclude since kde doesn't like that [09:37] his name should be on w.u.c/ServerGuide [09:38] Riddell: is this what the copyright should look like? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434649 [09:39] keeps saying: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file [09:40] jpatrick: just remove last paragraph with address in it, it's not necessary [09:40] last two lines going off [09:40] jpatrick: no, the one before that [09:41] jpatrick: you also need a part saying who owns the copyright (C) Copyright Christian Leh 2005 [09:42] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434654 ? [09:43] jpatrick: keep the last paragraph as you had it before, remove the paragraph with the FSF address in it [09:44] add a blank line after the (C) line [09:44] ah okay [09:46] I guess that's fixed all the errors you found [10:03] Riddell: only problem now: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath [10:03] jpatrick: amd64? [10:03] no i386 [10:03] jpatrick: cdbs? [10:04] ... [10:04] don't think so [10:04] jpatrick: then add --disable-rpath to the ./configure options [10:06] that's fixed [10:06] I suppose unknown-section universe/kde doesn't count [10:06] jpatrick: just set it to kde [10:07] done [10:17] lintian reports nothing now [10:18] Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc [10:20] jpatrick: uploading to revu? [10:20] Riddell: yep [10:21] maybe he's run out of disk space [10:21] oh dear [10:21] jpatrick: poke siretat [10:22] he appears to be away [10:22] (according to Konversation) [10:31] Riddell: are you going to be changing the make file? [10:31] for kde docs? [10:31] kubuntu i meant [10:32] jjesse: in which respect? [10:32] Riddell: because the docs are no longer kfaqguide etc or should i do that? [10:32] jjesse: I have some changes to commit in a minute, could you do it after? [10:33] sure can i commited the changes to docs to remove the k from them all so svn up [10:35] jjesse: committed [10:36] jjesse: after this weekend do you think we'll be able to svn remove the obsolete docs? [10:36] Riddell: sure [10:36] groovy [10:37] http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/appealnight/doctor_who_special.shtml new doctor who! woo! [10:38] dinner, doctor who, flight testing [10:40] dinner new harry potter movie :) === jpatrick needs to get British satelite TV [10:49] jpatrick: whatever for? [10:49] jjesse: that's out today? [10:50] in the US it is [10:50] Riddell: watch British shows ? [10:51] Not a lot of good television in Spain :| [10:52] jpatrick: uknova :) [10:52] not that I even have a TV but [10:53] Riddell: I can't believe it's not television! [10:56] ** install CDs are being remade, don't test current ones (but download so an rsync can happen) === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-50.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:58] does this flight have kde3.5 on it? [11:00] Riddell: thanks for uknova thing. Even then I won't have sound :( [11:01] bedtime now === divan [n=divan@wbs-196-2-118-20.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] hey all [11:16] is it safe/smart for me to be upgrading to 3.5rc1? [11:18] or even useful? :)P [11:19] jmg: yes, I'm running it no problem [11:19] jmg: it's very useful so long as you report back to me if it works or not === _olwin [n=olwin@dyn-83-157-241-108.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:20] Riddell: whats the sources line for it [11:20] jmg: see kubuntu.org/announcements [11:20] Riddell: i may upload an emacs cvs package soon (emacs22), huge python enhancements [11:21] Riddell: thansk [11:26] Riddell: more useful to be using breezy and fixing/reporting bugs or Dapper? [11:27] jmg: test the flight-1 CD [11:27] Cds suck :P [11:27] jmg: should appear soon at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ as 20051118..3/ [11:27] pxe represent :) [11:27] jmg: well dapper in that case, but dapper doesn't have kde 3.5 rc1 yet [11:28] Riddell: rgr rgr [11:28] Riddell: what is flight-1 [11:28] ? [11:28] jmg: it's the first testing CD from dapper [11:28] Riddell: flight of drakes? [11:28] yep :) [11:29] now i get it :) [11:29] where do the names of the releases come from? some book? === jmg tried to find this out before, but couldnt [11:29] Mark makes them up, someone tells him not to be so silly and he comes but with a more sane one === jmg is waiting for Orange Owl [11:30] :) [11:30] jmg: they're alphabetical now, may take some time [11:30] Riddell: is a drake a real animal? [11:31] some type of flying lizard? [11:31] jmg: it's a species of dragon [11:31] Riddell: fire drakes were little lizards in the dragons of pern [11:32] Riddell: that they engineered into the dragons [11:32] dragons of pern? [11:32] yup, Anne Mccaffrey [11:32] pretty cool series... starts off sci fi, moves into fantasy and then back to sci fi [11:33] i havent seen anyone do that since... pretty unique [11:34] they use genetic engineering... and then things get all twisted and the geneering becomes almost magic [11:34] but at the end they find their ships crashed AI core who tells them how to beat the Thread (bad guys) [11:35] and it goes back to sci fi again :) [11:35] 67% [11:36] jmg: of what? [11:49] Riddell: dist-upgrade [11:49] jmg: to dapper or 3.5? [11:49] 3.5 [11:49] if 3.5 fucks this box... ill install dapper :) [11:59] Riddell: kdegraphics: Depends: kamera (>= 4:3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1) but it is not going to be installed [11:59] Riddell: BRB