[12:07] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[12:09] <Diablo-D3> is it a known bug that the gtk theme selector doesn't list anything but qt and raleigh?
[12:33] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: here does list all
[12:34] <Tm_T> bah, sleep ->
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> Meh.
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> it wont for me =/
[01:04] <Diablo-D3> http://insidethedotnet.blogspot.com/2005/11/next-sucks.html
[01:27] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: gtk theme selector lists qt?  cool
[01:47] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: the one in kcontrol =P
[01:51] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: maybe that's the only themes you have
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: no, I have others installed
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[10:02] <Verwilst> yoyo
[10:02] <Verwilst> Riddell?
[10:02] <Verwilst> http://www.kubuntu.org/images/kubuntu-banner.png
[10:02] <Verwilst> what site did you use to make this?
[10:02] <Verwilst> i was there once, but i forgot, and i want to make a few of those myself :(
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> ooh
[10:02] <Diablo-D3> I think I have that in my bookmarks
[10:02] <Verwilst> oooh!
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> http://gtmcknight.com/buttons/index.php
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> follow the links off that page
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> he links to two or three sites that do that
[10:04] <Verwilst> yes! thanks!!
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I just realized something
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I may, infact, have all the interesting parts of the net in my bookmarks
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I have significantly increased the startup time of firefox due to the size of my bookmarks
[10:06] <Verwilst> lol
[10:21] <bobuse> Hi there ! How does adept go to admin mode ? I want to allow to adept to be launched without password, but adept isn't launched with sudo command but with kdesu
[10:22] <bobuse> I've looked at sources ( http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/ept/manager/app.cpp?rev=465064&view=markup ), but found nothing :-(
[10:35] <tvo> bobuse: you say it, it goes to admin mode via kdesu..
[10:35] <bobuse> ok, but I want to bypass the password dialog box, how can I do ?
[10:36] <tvo> there's a keep password checkmark on the dialog, but I've never used it
[10:36] <tvo> if that doesn't work then I don't know..
[10:37] <bobuse> I've added /usr/bin/adept in sudoers with NOPASSWD
[10:37] <bobuse> but it works only when I run adept in a term by "sudo adept"
[10:38] <bobuse> tvo: the checkbox doesn't work through session
[10:38] <tvo> ah
[10:42] <Verwilst> alias kdesu='sudo' ? :)
[10:43] <hunger_> Any KDE updates planned for dapper?
[10:43] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35rc1.php
[10:43] <Tm_T> there's something mentioned
[10:46] <hunger_> Tm_T: I am stuck with a horrbly broken desktop since the qt update in dapper. It would be great if some fixes would make it into that distribution, too
[10:47] <hunger_> Oh, the stuff is waiting for the C++ transition.
[10:47] <Tm_T> hum
[10:47] <Tm_T> I have all working fine
[10:47] <Tm_T> dapper and 3.5RC1
[10:47] <hunger_> Good, I can understand that:-)
[10:48] <hunger_> Tm_T: I'm at dapper plus beta2.
[10:48] <Tm_T> then use RC1
[10:48] <hunger_> Tm_T: Thanks for the tip.I'll do that (even though I had hoped not having to use non-dapper repositories).
[10:52] <Tm_T> heh
[11:15] <freeflying> Tm_T: can you make akregtor(from kde3.5rc1) work in dapper
[11:15] <Tm_T> well, I compile kdepim myself
[11:15] <Tm_T> from svn
[11:15] <Tm_T> and is working just fine
[02:54] <lamont-away> Riddell: kdeaddons_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 needs ICE-love
[02:55] <Riddell> lamont-away: which it will get with the 3.5 upload due after the libstdc++ transition, but I can do a 3.4.3 upload if you want
[02:55] <lamont-away> no worries - if it's just going to change and all that, it can wait a week
[02:55] <lamont-away> although I might forget and upload it.... :-)
[03:16] <lamont-away> Riddell: fwiw, kdebluetooth also ICE
[03:17] <lamont-away> and amarok
[03:36] <\sh> amarok needs more love then only ICE
[03:36] <\sh> or I will remove again the libvisual support
[03:41] <Riddell> \sh: couldn't get libvisual working?
[03:42] <\sh> Riddell: well..libvisual is failing on ppc
[03:43] <\sh> Riddell: and libvisual-plugins is broken like hell...not worth it to fix it by ourselves...I checked with fedora and they removed half of the shiny stuff
[03:44] <\sh> but for amarok we do need libvisual on our 3 main platforms...and libvisual-plugins for the "funny sparkeling and jumping pixels while u are listening to tekkno and using extasy"
[03:46] <\sh> which means...fixing libvisual is 1st prio..(i need some ppc to work and test) and libvisual we could send to universe
[03:50] <Riddell> does libvisual do anything without libvisual-plugins?
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: lets say it like this: libvisual-plugins are not doing anything without libvisual...
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: and without libvisual-plugins, the libvisual support in amarok is useless
[03:53] <\sh> but thinking about it now...we could bring amarok-1.3.5 or what ever amarok is out there now to dapper without libvisual{-plugins} and waiting to have working libvisual plugins for dapper +1
[03:54] <\sh> smoking...brb
[04:04] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/tvon  who's that?  in katapult-dev team
[04:04] <Riddell> not tvo?
[04:04] <Riddell> no
[04:11] <tvo> no
[04:13] <tvo> is there a katapult dev team on launchpad?
[04:13] <Riddell> apparantly there is :)
[04:13] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/katapult-dev
[04:18] <\sh> Riddell: what do u think about removing libvisual support from amarok and do it for dapper+1?
[04:19] <Riddell> \sh: fine with me :)
[04:20] <\sh> Riddell: ok...I'll prepare some packages :)
[04:20] <jjesse> Riddell can you edit the members of that team in launchpad?  it says mine has expired?
[04:20] <\sh> or actually we can wait after c++ trans and kde3.5 uploads
[04:21] <Riddell> jjesse: which team?
[07:24] <Tonio_> hi all
[07:25] <jjesse> hello
[07:26] <author-psi> hi
[08:08] <alleeHol> Tonio_: what's the status of yukuake?
[08:10] <Tonio_> alleelast version is uploaded to dapper
[08:10] <Tonio_> alleeHol: 
[08:10] <Tonio_> sorry ;)
[08:10] <alleeHol> np
[08:11] <Tonio_> so we're up to date
[08:11] <alleeHol> well, then I had a typo.  Question is had you an wnpp submitted?  Background: anja just commited a version for debian :(
[08:12] <Tonio_> wnpp ? what does this mean ?
[08:12] <alleeHol> hmm nothing: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=yukuake
[08:13] <Tonio_> alleeHol: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=yakuake&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[08:13] <alleeHol> http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp   # this is the pseudo pkg used to submit ITP RFS and RTP ;)
[08:14] <Tonio_> okay
[08:15] <alleeHol> Tonio_ I'll write anja to contact you about yukuake
[08:15] <Tonio_> yep
[08:16] <alleeHol> Tonio_: If you've any other pkgs only in kubuntu it would be nice if you could submit RFS (request for sponsor) to wnpp pkg.  Wnpp is normaly the first place a debian devel check before starting pkging
[08:16] <alleeHol> AFAIR this was also somewhere in MOTU pages
[08:17] <Tonio_> hum
[08:17] <Tonio_> in fact I'm taking away from the debian community ;)
[08:17] <Tonio_> that's not a good thing, of course, but that's it...
[08:19] <alleeHol> Tonio_: just a wnpp is not much additional work. One has to do it only once in pkg lifetime
[08:19] <Tonio_> only once ?
[08:19] <Tonio_> I quite don't understand.....
[08:19] <Tonio_> and what about updates ?
[08:20] <Tonio_> in fact about all my packages aren't packages for debian
[08:20] <alleeHol> If one starts pkg one submits an wnpp bug report (ITP interest to pkg) and with claims: I do it, don't waste your time.
[08:21] <alleeHol> with first upload you close the bug in the changelog:  * Initial upload (Closes: #itp-bug-number) that it.
[08:22] <alleeHol> In your case: you send a RFS or RTP (request for sponsor/ to package) and let others know that you are working on it to prevent duplicate work
[08:23] <Tonio_> what do you call a "request for sponsor" ?
[08:23] <Tonio_> what to goal of it ?
[08:23] <alleeHol> A debian devel interested in the pkg will contact you and upload the pkg for you
[08:23] <Tonio_> in fact, consider that I don't know anything about wnpp :)
[08:24] <Tonio_> okay....
[08:24] <Tonio_> and what about packages updates ?
[08:24] <Tonio_> I understand the point for an initial package
[08:25] <Tonio_> but do we have to send a RFS for every update ?
[08:25] <alleeHol> Tonio_: wnpp bug-reports are there to prevent duplicate pkging efford in debian
[08:25] <alleeHol> for updates there are several possibilities:
[08:26] <alleeHol> Tonio_: a) as I do:  devel on kubuntu.  pbuild and test on sid and send to sponsor. He upload and ubuntu autosyncs ;)
[08:27] <alleeHol> b) send a notification that to the one uplaoded the pkg to sid and let take him/her care
[08:27] <alleeHol> c) for a development team so both know that going on and when to upload ;)
[08:28] <alleeHol> Tonio_: c) is the best imho
[08:28] <alleeHol> Tonio_: I'll cc you the Mail to anja
[08:28] <Tonio_> I don't understand c ;)
[08:29] <Tonio_> alleeHol: can you describe C ?
[08:29] <alleeHol> Tonio_: yes ...
[08:30] <Tonio_>  no verb in your phrase, and my english is quite limited lol
[08:30] <alleeHol> Tonio_: I'll try to avoid noun too, maybe this helps
[08:31] <Tonio_> alleeHol: yep :)
[08:32] <Tonio_> my question would be
[08:32] <alleeHol> Tonio_: for c): e.g., use a source code repo [or keep each other informed via e-mail (stone age;) ] 
[08:32] <Tonio_> what is REVU usefull for ?
[08:32] <Mez> Tonio_ for reviewing packages by MOTUs
[08:32] <Tonio_> if I follow you, it is better packaging for debian, and then let ubuntu autosync right ?
[08:34] <alleeHol> Tonio_: well, when one cares that a pkg is also in debian and uptodate yes (IMHO)
[08:34] <Tonio_> sounds strcturally like a kind of mess ;)
[08:35] <alleeHol> Tonio_:  yes, unfortunately :(
[08:37] <alleeHol> Tonio_: but it's no requirement that a kubuntu pkg cares about debian (nice if he does not not required)
[08:38] <alleeHol> Tonio_: nevertheless as a minimum of care I consider to submit a RFP to the wnpp pseudo-package to bugs.debian.org
[08:39] <alleeHol> Tonio_: back to were we started, right?
[08:41] <Tonio_> allee: yes ;)
[08:41] <Tonio_> the problem is that I wanna contribute and help in the best way
[08:41] <Tonio_> but anyway, I have a private life, a job etc...
[08:41] <Tonio_> I don't want to become addicted to this
[08:41] <Tonio_> ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> but I'll have a look at that yes
[08:42] <allee> Tonio_: no offense intended.  We all do your best and mine of most of the time not worth to mention 
[08:42] <Tonio_> maybe just posting rfs would be good
[08:43] <Tonio_> allee: don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your effort in elping us (and me !) to make things in the best possible way
[08:43] <allee> of RTP, this means you will not test on debian and the one who pick it up for debian should do it
[08:43] <Tonio_> yep
[08:44] <allee> s/or/of/
[08:44] <Tonio_> the problem is in the source in fact
[08:44] <allee> argl!
[08:44] <Tonio_> not to what you ask, that I perfectly understand
[08:44] <Tonio_> why don't they decide of a unique package format, that would be build by the upstream
[08:44] <Tonio_> argh !!! ;)
[08:45] <Tonio_> that debian/ubuntu/mepis/blabla world would need a unique plateform
[08:45] <Tonio_> for packagers
[08:45] <allee> distros are too different ;)
[08:45] <Tonio_> hum
[08:46] <Tonio_> talking about ubuntu yes
[08:46] <Tonio_> mepis is just a debian packaged in a specific way
[08:46] <allee> think about dependencies,  mit API changes backporting gets non trival even in the same distro
[08:46] <Tonio_> I don't think ededicated developpment is done on mepis
[08:47] <Tonio_> allee: you're right ;) (frustrating, but you're always right hehe)
[08:47] <allee> Well, I only care about kubuntu and debian. More than enough for my free time.  never tried mepis yet
[08:48] <Riddell> mepis breaks the GPL and ships win32codecs
[08:48] <Tonio_> we all have the same problem -> days are 24 hours only....
[08:48] <allee> Tonio_: until later.  Kids make a revolution here.  They need a peacemaker :)
[08:48] <Tonio_> need to migrate to venus for exemple
[08:48] <Tonio_> one day is 6 months here hehe :)
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ? I new for w32codecs, but never heard about the GPL.....
[08:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's really bad.......
[08:50] <Riddell> I havn't been able to find sources for their Qt installer, and neither has anyone else
[08:51] <Riddell> possible the guy has a licence, but I suspect not
[08:52] <Tonio_> allee: I'm in a very, very bad moon today in fact
[08:53] <Tonio_> allee: that is the reason I'm not very "positive" like always
[08:53] <Tonio_> allee: I'm preparing to the worst week in my working career...
[08:53] <allee> Tonio_: oh!
[08:54] <Tonio_> allee: can you imagine I'm going in a company to install a linux server, with apache, then make an index.html with two frames, and just create another page with html links
[08:54] <Tonio_> allee: and I have to stay there for 5 days.........
[08:54] <Tonio_> WHAT WILL I DO ???????????
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: the point is, if I do it in 3 hours, which I suspect, my company will be VERY unhappy
[08:55] <Riddell> who's wanting to test a kubuntu flight CD tonight?
[08:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could be good for my mood ;)
[08:56] <allee> Tonio_: install a dapper changeroot and fix pkg bugs or create new pkgs (+ RTP of course ;)
[08:56] <Riddell> hopefully it'll be available in a hour or so
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: I didn't say that -> no access to internet..........
[08:57] <allee> Riddell: I have only 8k downlink. no good idea tonight;)
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: 4 days looking at my screen, pretending that I have a big problem, blablabla
[08:57] <allee> Tonio_: no internet??  Call the police, that's criminal
[08:58] <Tonio_> allee: in fact they have, but would you, as a contractor, spend your day on the net (they have a loging proxy) ?
[08:58] <Tonio_> and I'm not sure that contractors have access anyway
[08:58] <allee> Tonio_: eh, really bad!
[08:59] <Tonio_> allee: can you imagine that company is gonna pay 3000 for a RHES installation ?
[08:59] <Tonio_> that completly STUPID
[08:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: sneak in a Kubuntu CD there :)
[08:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: can't you spend the rest of the time fixing Kubuntu bugs?
[08:59] <jpatrick> Anyone know where the "Support" page went?
[09:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixing ? I'm not a developper.... I only can test and report :)
[09:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: link fixed, sorry about that
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm sure there's lots of bugzilla things can be cleaned out or marked as duplicate or marked as "please explain this" etc
[09:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: No problem, someguy on the forums brought it up
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that requires internet access....
[09:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: you don't have internet access?
[09:02] <Tonio_> at home yes
[09:02] <Riddell> how are you going to set up apache without internet access?
[09:02] <Tonio_> not next week
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I will have to set up apache without internet access
[09:03] <Tonio_> that's the trick ;)
[09:03] <Tonio_> but it is a redhat ES
[09:03] <Riddell> umm, why is it being set up if it doesn't have internet access?
[09:03] <Tonio_> everything is shipped with it
[09:04] <Tonio_> it is for the intranet, not internet, it is possible
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the reason I was talking about my worst week working EVER ;)
[09:05] <Riddell> take a good book?
[09:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I'll be in an open space
[09:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: however hard I try I can't seem to get moodin to make a *.orig.tar.gz :(
[09:05] <Tonio_> so I will have to pretend to work... for 4 days
[09:05] <Tonio_> what a bullshit in fact !
[09:06] <Tonio_> ho yes ;)
[09:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: you make the .orig.tar.gz, it should pick it up and use it (assuming it's named correctly)
[09:06] <jpatrick> This is the sixth time I've tried
[09:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: scanning all the book and read it with a big less in shell ;) nobody will see ;) hahaha
[09:07] <jpatrick> Make it by hand it is
[09:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: what are you naming the file?
[09:07] <jpatrick> Just running dpkg-buildpackage (does it by it self)
[09:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: you have to make the .orig file
[09:07] <jpatrick> got it
[09:07] <Riddell> it doesn't get done for you
[09:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I may have to time to write documentation for kubuntu !!!
[09:08] <Tonio_> that can be done locally ;)
[09:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: ooh, good idea
[09:08] <jjesse> Tonio_: writing docs for Kubuntu?
[09:08] <Tonio_> hum what king of would be usefull ?
[09:08] <jjesse> that would be awesome :)
[09:08] <Riddell> although I don't know what's ready to be worked on, need to ask jjesse 
[09:09] <Tonio_> well, I will unfortunatelly have a lot of time to try not to sleep so ;)
[09:09] <jjesse> hopefully this weekend will lay the ground work to get started
[09:10] <Tonio_> jjesse: I'l be there on sunday evening
[09:10] <Riddell> jjesse: make sure to svn update, I've done quite a few changes today
[09:10] <jjesse> i did already
[09:10] <Tonio_> if you have anything to be done, PLEASE ask !!!
[09:10] <Tonio_> that would keep me alive !
[09:11] <jjesse> i almost have the docs moved dropping the k
[09:11] <Tonio_> I also can make translation
[09:12] <jpatrick> Tonio_: Rosseta
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: no internet access !!!
[09:12] <jpatrick> damn
[09:12] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yep :)
[09:13] <Tonio_> packaging without internet access is also not possible.........
[09:13] <jjesse> Riddell: svn up should get the docs w/ k's
[09:14] <jpatrick> Tonio_: unless you send the package by snail mail (on a floppy etc)
[09:14] <Tonio_> jpatrick: well internet is necessary to get informations, checking which packages are required
[09:15] <Tonio_> and also, pbuilder without internet is limited unless I have all in the cache
[09:16] <Tonio_> documentation is the only thing I can do, but I'd like to ;)
[09:16] <allee> Riddell: okay to add REVU and wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu  to resources to check for pkging work under way?
[09:16] <Riddell> allee: please do
[09:17] <allee> 'k.  I'll make a list out of it.  the sentense is already quite long
[09:17] <Riddell> allee: add wnpp to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[09:17] <Riddell> allee: what does wnpp stand for?
[09:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: ah now I have a diff.gz and a orig.tar.gz :)
[09:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: awooga
[09:18] <allee> wnpp is the pseudo pkg in bugs.debian.org used to organize pkging effort (Work Needing and Prospective Packages AFAIR)
[09:19] <allee> Riddell: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp
[09:19] <Riddell> allee: I know what it is, just didn't know what it stood for.  quite a cryptic name
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: looks good
[09:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: let me know when you want me to review it
[09:19] <allee> Riddell: heh! quite true
[09:20] <jpatrick> ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig is not <package>-<upstreamversion> (wanted ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2.orig)
[09:20] <jpatrick> Did say that^
[09:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: hmm
[09:23] <Riddell> jpatrick: .orig should be ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2.orig.tar.gz
[09:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: directory should be ksplash-engine-moodin-0.4.2
[09:29] <Riddell> ** flight-1 testers please http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051118.2/
[09:29] <jjesse> whats a flight testor?
[09:31] <Riddell> jjesse: flight is the name of the occational dapper testing CDs
[09:31] <Riddell> a flight is the collective noun for dragons
[09:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: downloading
[09:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: what arch?
[09:31] <Tonio_> i386
[09:31] <Riddell> cool
[09:32] <Riddell> I'll do amd64 then
[09:32] <Riddell> don't suppose we have any ppc users here?
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: necessary to test install cd or is there a livecd ?
[09:35] <jjesse> downloading i386
[09:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: live CD is building stilL
[09:35] <Riddell> still
[09:35] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so testing the installcd
[09:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: okay
[09:37] <Riddell> jjesse: who's the server guide dude again?
[09:37] <jjesse> Riddell: bhurvan or something like 
[09:37] <Riddell> ah yes, we need to ask him not to use xinclude since kde doesn't like that
[09:37] <jjesse> his name should be on w.u.c/ServerGuide
[09:38] <jpatrick> Riddell: is this what the copyright should look like? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434649
[09:39] <jpatrick> keeps saying: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[09:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: just remove last paragraph with address in it, it's not necessary
[09:40] <jpatrick> last two lines going off
[09:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: no, the one before that
[09:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: you also need a part saying who owns the copyright  (C) Copyright Christian Leh <moodwrod@web.de> 2005
[09:42] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434654 ?
[09:43] <Riddell> jpatrick: keep the last paragraph as you had it before, remove the paragraph with the FSF address in it
[09:44] <Riddell> add a blank line after the (C) line
[09:44] <jpatrick> ah okay
[09:46] <jpatrick> I guess that's fixed all the errors you found
[10:03] <jpatrick> Riddell: only problem now: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath
[10:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: amd64?
[10:03] <jpatrick> no i386
[10:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: cdbs?
[10:04] <jpatrick> ...
[10:04] <jpatrick> don't think so
[10:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: then add --disable-rpath to the ./configure options
[10:06] <jpatrick> that's fixed
[10:06] <jpatrick> I suppose unknown-section universe/kde doesn't count
[10:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: just set it to kde
[10:07] <jpatrick> done
[10:17] <jpatrick> lintian reports nothing now
[10:18] <jpatrick> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of ksplash-engine-moodin_0.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: uploading to revu?
[10:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: yep
[10:21] <Riddell> maybe he's run out of disk space
[10:21] <jpatrick> oh dear
[10:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: poke siretat
[10:22] <jpatrick> he appears to be away
[10:22] <jpatrick> (according to Konversation)
[10:31] <jjesse> Riddell: are you going to be changing the make file?
[10:31] <jjesse> for kde docs?
[10:31] <jjesse> kubuntu i meant
[10:32] <Riddell> jjesse: in which respect?
[10:32] <jjesse> Riddell: because the docs are no longer kfaqguide etc or should i do that?
[10:32] <Riddell> jjesse: I have some changes to commit in a minute, could you do it after?
[10:33] <jjesse> sure can i commited the changes to docs to remove the k from them all so svn up
[10:35] <Riddell> jjesse: committed
[10:36] <Riddell> jjesse: after this weekend do you think we'll be able to svn remove the obsolete docs?
[10:36] <jjesse> Riddell: sure
[10:36] <Riddell> groovy
[10:37] <Riddell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/appealnight/doctor_who_special.shtml new doctor who!  woo!
[10:38] <Riddell> dinner, doctor who, flight testing
[10:40] <jjesse> dinner new harry potter movie :)
[10:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: whatever for?
[10:49] <Riddell> jjesse: that's out today?
[10:50] <jjesse> in the US it is 
[10:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: watch British shows ?
[10:51] <jpatrick> Not a lot of good television in Spain :|
[10:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: uknova :)
[10:52] <Riddell> not that I even have a TV but
[10:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: I can't believe it's not television!
[10:56] <Riddell> ** install CDs are being remade, don't test current ones (but download so an rsync can happen)
[10:58] <jjesse> does this flight have kde3.5 on it?
[11:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: thanks for uknova thing. Even then I won't have sound :(
[11:01] <jpatrick> bedtime now
[11:16] <jmg> hey all
[11:16] <jmg> is it safe/smart for me to be upgrading to 3.5rc1?
[11:18] <jmg> or even useful? :)P
[11:19] <Riddell> jmg: yes, I'm running it no problem
[11:19] <Riddell> jmg: it's very useful so long as you report back to me if it works or not
[11:20] <jmg> Riddell: whats the sources line for it
[11:20] <Riddell> jmg: see kubuntu.org/announcements
[11:20] <jmg> Riddell: i may upload an emacs cvs package soon (emacs22), huge python enhancements
[11:21] <jmg> Riddell: thansk
[11:26] <jmg> Riddell: more useful to be using breezy and fixing/reporting bugs or Dapper?
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: test the flight-1 CD
[11:27] <jmg> Cds suck :P
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: should appear soon at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ as 20051118..3/
[11:27] <jmg> pxe represent :)
[11:27] <Riddell> jmg: well dapper in that case, but dapper doesn't have kde 3.5 rc1 yet
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: rgr rgr
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: what is flight-1
[11:28] <jmg> ?
[11:28] <Riddell> jmg: it's the first testing CD from dapper
[11:28] <jmg> Riddell: flight of drakes?
[11:28] <Riddell> yep :)
[11:29] <jmg> now i get it :)
[11:29] <jmg> where do the names of the releases come from? some book?
[11:29] <Riddell> Mark makes them up, someone tells him not to be so silly and he comes but with a more sane one
[11:30] <jmg> :)
[11:30] <Riddell> jmg: they're alphabetical now, may take some time
[11:30] <jmg> Riddell: is a drake a real animal?
[11:31] <jmg> some type of flying lizard?
[11:31] <Riddell> jmg: it's a species of dragon
[11:31] <jmg> Riddell: fire drakes were little lizards in the dragons of pern
[11:32] <jmg> Riddell: that they engineered into the dragons
[11:32] <Riddell> dragons of pern?
[11:32] <jmg> yup, Anne Mccaffrey
[11:32] <jmg> pretty cool series... starts off sci fi, moves into fantasy and then back to sci fi
[11:33] <jmg> i havent seen anyone do that since... pretty unique
[11:34] <jmg> they use genetic engineering... and then things get all twisted and the geneering becomes almost magic
[11:34] <jmg> but at the end they find their ships crashed AI core who tells them how to beat the Thread (bad guys)
[11:35] <jmg> and it goes back to sci fi again :)
[11:35] <jmg> 67%
[11:36] <Riddell> jmg: of what?
[11:49] <jmg> Riddell: dist-upgrade
[11:49] <Riddell> jmg: to dapper or 3.5?
[11:49] <jmg> 3.5
[11:49] <jmg> if 3.5 fucks this box... ill install dapper :)
[11:59] <jmg> Riddell:  kdegraphics: Depends: kamera (>= 4:3.5-rc1-1ubuntu0breezy1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:59] <jmg> Riddell: BRB