[12:03] <nalioth> libben: i am using breezy and downgraded to kde 3.4.2 for personal reasons
[12:03] <nalioth> libben: dapper is a train wreck in progress
[12:05] <royal2000h> hey how do i change the boot screen (when it loads modules etc...not splash screen)
[12:06] <royal2000h> mine shows the brown ubuntu but i want it to show kubuntu.....its   shows ubuntu cuz i installed ubuntu and synaptic'd kubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <Sgep> Maybe use the package kubuntu-default-settings ?
[12:15] <Stele> the nvidia driver thread doesnt mention shutting down the x server
[12:15] <Stele> what's the command for that?
[12:16] <Sgep> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[12:16] <crimson> hi, could you help me? i do this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/433672 and when reboot my KDE get K.O.
[12:17] <Stele> that didnt help
[12:17] <Stele> i need to completely shut down the x server
[12:17] <Stele> isnt there a runlevel for that?
[12:17] <Sgep> Where did you press that key combination from?
[12:18] <Stele> er...
[12:18] <Stele> from within the desktop
[12:18] <nalioth> Stele: ctrl-alt-bksp
[12:24] <Stele> got it
[12:24] <Stele> now its bitching about gcc 4
[12:24] <Stele> should i worry? or try to get it to use gcc 3?
[12:25] <nalioth> Stele: what is it saying?
[12:26] <Stele> its saying the kernel interface module was compiled with gcc 3.4
[12:26] <Stele> but i have 4.0
[12:26] <Stele> proceeed at my own risk kind of stuff
[12:26] <Stele> no it says the KERNEL was compiled with gcc 3.4
[12:26] <Stele> its a warning
[12:26] <nalioth> Stele: use adept to install gcc-3.4
[12:27] <Stele> then do i use a command to change my environment to use 3.4?
[12:28] <nalioth> Stele: in your konsole, type "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4  nvidia-command-sequence"
[12:29] <Stele> is there a terminal version of dept?
[12:29] <Stele> adept?
[12:30] <brad> got me? and if there was I am not savvy enough to use it yet.,
[12:30] <brad> oops sorry wrong channel
[12:31] <nalioth> Stele: yes, it's called "apt-get"
[12:31] <Stele> i thought so but dont know the gcc package to use
[12:31] <Stele> damn i cant do this now
[12:31] <Stele> got a screaming kid
[12:32] <Stele> my monitor wont sync to 65Hz and for some reason the X server keeps switching to that refresh
[12:35] <_ben> Does anyone know why sleep.sh asks for a password?  I can use the Fn key on my Thinkpad to suspend to Ram, but if I try runing it, or having lid.sh link to sleep.sh, it wont suspend until it gets a password
[12:35] <qos> hey guys, how to enable DMA?
[12:38] <wasp_ems> has anyone played the game uplink???
[12:47] <libben> if i login with ssh from my mobile, and want to surprise my gf with a message thru kate. how can i do that? i was thinking like echo Hello gorgeous > filename.txt && kate filname.txt but then that wouldent pop up on her screen, it would trie to open kate on my mobile =) wich is not possible. so what do i type to specify the screen it should go to?
[12:52] <libben> anyone?
[12:53] <kkathman> bit
[12:53] <kkathman> sorry
[01:04] <GuerillaTactiks> Hello, Im new to linux. I need some help to build souce files. I have some source as tar.gz for some libraries and I want to build a binary for kubuntu. Any help?
[01:04] <Sgep> Would it make sense for me to download the .deb for libssl0.9.8 and install it directly?
[01:06] <shdowhawk> hi all.  new guy here to ubuntu.  Just finished the install on my laptop.. so nice to see it working =)  Problem is that i just moved over from gentoo so i have NO idea about anything with ubuntu.  So my question:  Where is the best basic read through?
[01:08] <l3m> shdowhawk: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/
[01:09] <shdowhawk> l3m: sweetness.  Thanks dude
[01:11] <pupil> Have you guys heard about the "hundred dollor laptop" ? 
[01:12] <wasp_ems> hi..does anyone know how to make all the windows transparent???
[01:12] <shdowhawk> pupil: yup yup
[01:13] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: think it's in system settings
[01:13] <_snake> I Need help asap.
[01:13] <_snake> This is really pissing me off.
[01:13] <shdowhawk> pupil: MIT joke contest for a LONG time.  It's not actually a laptop.. the original goal was just a computer in general... but they figured it out with a laptop.. it's pretty sweet
[01:13] <Hobbsee> _snake: would probably help if you said what help you needed, rather than just saying "i need help"
[01:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:13] <shdowhawk> ... rephrase:  the original goal wasn't a laptop =P
[01:13] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: i have checked it but nothing
[01:13] <pupil> shdowhawk, well., its not a joke,. its real,. they developed one,. for 3rd word countries
[01:13] <Hobbsee> shdowhawk: wiki.ubuntu.com is also useful
[01:14] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: going to look...
[01:14] <wasp_ems> ok thanx
[01:14] <shdowhawk> pupil: i know.  have you seen the pics for it?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: desktop, window behaviour, translucency tab is a start...
[01:15] <pupil> shdowhawk, yes
[01:15] <shdowhawk> pupil:  a laptop with a crank for power... lol.  use the oldschool with the new school.  Classic!
[01:15] <_snake> hobbsee: :) I didn't know if anyone was avalible: Heres my issue: This is the 6th time i've reinstall kubuntu to solve this, and everytime it screws up. I activate the universe reps, and after i apt-get update, my hard drives, and my cd drives suddenly disappear although kubuntu claims their mounted
[01:16] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: i dont seem to have it
[01:16] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: hmmm
[01:16] <pupil> shdowhawk, indeed,. well they were gearing it for 3rd world countries ,. people that live in coutries where electricity may not be as readily available.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> _snake: is that happening now as well?
[01:17] <fyrmedic> anyone know how to fix up amarok?
[01:17] <_snake> Hobbsee: Yep.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> fyrmedic: how's it broken?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> _snake: can you post the contents of "mount" to pastebin please?
[01:18] <kkathman> I should go now :)
[01:18] <shdowhawk> yup yup..  Anyways.  i'm off.  Thanks a ton for the links all.  time to go play with the new distro =)
[01:18] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: is there any chance i need to download a newest version of kde or something??although i downloaded and installed the latest dvd knoppix
[01:18] <wasp_ems> kubuntu i mean
[01:19] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: you've done a sudo apt-get update, and a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: possibly
[01:19] <wasp_ems> yes
[01:19] <Hobbsee> fyrmedic: talk in main channel
[01:19] <_snake> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/433758 there. Like I said kubuntu says its mounted, but when I go to "Storage media" nothings there
[01:20] <wasp_ems> anything i can do?
[01:20] <_douglas> AM_PROG_CC_C_O What library should I install to satisfy this value?
[01:20] <fyrmedic> hobbsee:ok it's got database probs, I tried to upgrade from 1.3.1 to 1.3.5 and now it crashes at startup with lib issues that say they are stripped.
[01:21] <Sgep> Does apt-build make ubuntu more like Gentoo
[01:21] <Sgep> ?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> fyrmedic: paste the errors that you get, from the console, in pastebin.  also, did you get any dependancy errors when installing 1.3.5?  what version of kde are you using?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> _snake: storage media....
[01:21] <Hobbsee> looking...
[01:22] <fyrmedic> how do I open up the pastebin
[01:22] <Hobbsee> _snake: /media/ <-- does it have the folders there?  it's a known kde bug, i think
[01:22] <Hobbsee> !tell fyrmedic about pastebin
[01:23] <Hobbsee> !info apt-build
[01:23] <ubotu> apt-build: (frontend to apt to build, optimize and install packages), section universe/devel, is optional. Version: 0.12.9 (breezy), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
[01:23] <Hobbsee> !apt-build
[01:23] <ubotu> Not a clue, Hobbsee
[01:23] <_snake> Hobbsee: its showing my NTFS drives, but not my EXT3
[01:23] <_snake> ubotu: Tell fyrmedic about pastebin
[01:23] <_snake> ;)
[01:24] <fyrmedic> hobbsee: pasted
[01:24] <Hobbsee> fyrmedic: link?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> _snake: your ext3 drive is the top one, mounted as /
[01:25] <fyrmedic> hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4683
[01:25] <fyrmedic> try that
[01:25] <_snake> Hobbsee: Yes I know, but it used to be shown in "media:/"
[01:25] <wasp_ems> is it safe to use xcompmgr???
[01:25] <_snake> Hobbsee: so this is normal??
[01:25] <Hobbsee> _snake: it's a known kde bug, yes, it's normal
[01:26] <pupil> I can't seem to get flash working in any of my browsers,  can anyone load http://bmw.ca
[01:26] <Hobbsee> fyrmedic: did you run into dependancy errors while installing 1.3.5 from the repositories?
[01:26] <_snake> Hobbsee: Alright, then I guess i'll put up with it
[01:26] <Hobbsee_away> _snake: check bugs.kde.org and see if there's a bug for it - i think there is
[01:27] <Hobbsee_away> _snake: you can access it via /media/ though
[01:27] <_snake> Hobbsee_away: Alright, is there anyway to link to a folder??
[01:27] <fyrmedic> hobbsee: adept says there is a break with amarok-engines when I try to install them. I installed 1.3.5 from deb packages independant of adept
[01:27] <Hobbsee_away> symlink?  yeah, i expect so
[01:28] <Hobbsee_away> fyrmedic: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, post what the second command gives you into the pastebin
[01:28] <Hobbsee_away> away
[01:28] <_snake> lol
[01:28] <fyrmedic> brb
[01:29] <l3m> how can i get python syntax colouring for vim? vim-python includes scripting support, but doesn't colour py sources
[01:30] <wasp_ems> when in console and u run a program can u use the same console to continue with work or do u need to open a new one..
[01:30] <fyrmedic> hobbsee:http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4684
[01:31] <Stele> my flat panel only supports 60Hz, and X keeps trying to sync to a refresh rate like 65Hz
[01:31] <Stele> is there a file I can edit somewhere to get it to only sync at 60Hz?
[01:32] <l3m> wasp_ems: depends. you can send console tools into the background, but it's usually easier to just use multiple konsole  tabs
[01:33] <wasp_ems> ok..and what is the shortcut for that?
[01:33] <wasp_ems> so i dont have to do it with the mouse
[01:33] <wasp_ems> l3m: 
[01:33] <fyrmedic> hobbsee: I have to go to the airport. I will check and see if you are still on when I get back.
[01:33] <_snake> Snake_
[01:34] <_snake> _snake: test
[01:34] <_snake> can someone say my name plz?
[01:34] <wasp_ems> _snake: 
[01:34] <_snake> Thanks m8
[01:41] <StR> hi all
[01:42] <StR> anyone having problems with kopete for kde 3.5RC... I get disconected from MSN every 5 seconds
[01:42] <wasp_ems> how can i open a new tab in the console without the mouse
[01:42] <l3m> wasp_ems: ctrl t
[01:42] <l3m> ctrl n 
[01:42] <l3m> ctrl alt n
[01:42] <l3m> lol 
[01:42] <wasp_ems> nop none works
[01:42] <wasp_ems> :(
[01:43] <wasp_ems> kdesktop
[01:43] <l3m> ctrl alt n should
[01:43] <l3m> but if it doesn't, you can easily set a custom setting
[01:43] <l3m> settings->configure shortcuts
[01:43] <Stele> is there a way to make X start up using a specific resolution/refresh rate by editing a config file? I cant see X when it starts up
[01:44] <l3m> alt s for settings menu
[01:44] <beefsprocket> Stele: set your default mode in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[01:44] <Stele> i see resolutions in there but no refresh rates
[01:44] <wasp_ems> i dont know how to configure them...and when an application is running in the console how can u close it?do u have to close by mouse the appliation?
[01:44] <fatejudger> Does anyone know how on OS X you can press F10 or F11 to create clickable thumbnails of all the open windows? Is there anything like that for KDE?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> StR: ah...no
[01:45] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: ctrl alt f(1-6)
[01:45] <l3m> wasp_ems: it's really easy. just try. 
[01:45] <l3m> wasp_ems: no you don't need a mouse
[01:45] <StR> Hobbsee: no problems with kopete? 
[01:45] <Hobbsee> StR: well, a couple, but msn connects fine
[01:46] <l3m> fatejudger: you mean expose. there are linux versions of that, kompose, skippy-xd. expocity
[01:46] <Hobbsee> StR: wiki.ubuntu.com/kde3.5knownproblems
[01:46] <wasp_ems> aaaaaaaa
[01:47] <fatejudger> l3m: which one is the best?
[01:47] <wasp_ems> i opened 6 sessions...how do i close them
[01:47] <Hobbsee> StR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[01:47] <l3m> kompose ( it's especially for kde )
[01:47] <fatejudger> wasp_ems: logout
[01:47] <fatejudger> l3m: ok, I'll try that, thanks :)
[01:48] <wasp_ems> that wount work
[01:48] <l3m> fatejudger: apt-get install kompose ;)
[01:48] <fatejudger> brb, RC1 upgrade
[01:48] <fatejudger> l3m: yeah, I know
[01:48] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: good luck!
[01:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: on RC1?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:48] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I already have it working on my desktop
[01:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it works great
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ah goody :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> same here
[01:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I thought I had it on my laptop
[01:49] <Snake_>  Hobbsee you said it was possible to make a shortcut (link) to a folder, how?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but I guess they redid the packages
[01:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: or put more on
[01:49] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[01:49] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I don't know
[01:49] <Hobbsee> nalioth: how do you make symlinks?
[01:49] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it's like ln -s or something
[01:49] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i think they did, yeah,  kopete 0.11 is now in the second lot
[01:49] <fatejudger> Snake_: ln -s
[01:49] <fatejudger> Snake_: that's the command for symlinks
[01:50] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I saw that
[01:50] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I haven't tried out my intel cam yet
[01:50] <Snake_> ummm alright... lol
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hmm...should try that
[01:50] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you know which service I need to use the camera?
[01:50] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: like AIM or MSN?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> um...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> let me see...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> msn uses it, icq doesnt
[01:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: ok
[01:51] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: brb, I need to restart kdm
[01:51] <Hobbsee> no one on my google talk/jabber list
[01:52] <Snake_> Hobbsee: How do I use this -s thing??
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Snake_: ln -s --help in a console
[01:53] <Snake_> hobbsee: i tried man -s and it didnt give me anything O: )
[01:53] <fatejudger> damnit, I killed KDE manually and lost all of my changes in the desktop manager
[01:53] <fatejudger> lol
[01:53] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: msn or yahoo, you'll need
[01:53] <Hobbsee> darn lol!
[01:53] <fatejudger> Snake_: it isn't man -s
[01:53] <fatejudger> Snake_: it's man ln
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Snake_: man ls
[01:53] <Snake_> OHHHHHHHH
[01:53] <Snake_> Thanks :)
[01:53] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: for symlinks?
[01:53] <LjL> the command is "ln", not "-s" or "ls"
[01:54] <LjL> "-s" is an option
[01:54] <fatejudger> LjL: that's what I thought....
[01:54] <Hobbsee> oops...
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ln was what i meant
[01:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: nice one ;)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> no wonder i got this odd manual page that seemed to have nothing to do with sym links!
[01:54] <LjL> anyway, "ln -s file symlink"
[01:54] <nalioth> Hobbsee: ln -s source target
[01:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: you're a woman?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> right
[01:54] <nalioth> Hobbsee: woops
[01:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yes
[01:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I had no idea
[01:55] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:55] <Hobbsee> i am
[01:55] <nalioth> Hobbsee: that was probably incorrct
[01:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think you're the second person I thought was a guy and wasn't on Linux IRC channels
[01:55] <LjL> nalioth: that syntax you give is a bit confusing, 'cause your "source" is what "ln --help" calls a "target" ;)
[01:55] <fatejudger> *was
[01:55] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hehehehe - well seeing as most people on here are males, i can kind of understand that
[01:56] <Snake_> fatejudger: it's impossible to tell whos a girl and whos a guy through text
[01:56] <fatejudger> Snake_: actually that's not usually true
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake_: not so
[01:56] <fatejudger> Snake_: women tend to have very bad spelling, no offense Hobbsee
[01:56] <LjL> Hobbsee: well, i assume "he" if i have to refer to someone in the third person on IRC... i mean, it's easier than writing "he or she" everytime, and it's correct 99% of the time ;)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> women generally talk in a feminine manner...
[01:56] <Hobbsee> LjL: so true
[01:57] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: well...sometimes - it doesnt help with long nails...but males have equally bad spelling at times
[01:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think it's just teenage girls
[01:57] <Hobbsee> but they do speak in more feminine ways, and will generally admit to being females
[01:57] <Snake_> Most of the time its hard to tell..for me atleast, unless they are typing in dits
[01:57] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: one of the reasons I hate myspace...
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hehe oh yes
[01:57] <Hobbsee> dreaded thing
[01:57] <Snake_> OMG I TOTLAY GOTT GO DUE MAH NALS!!! LOLOLOLOL
[01:57] <Snake_> UR SOOOO CUTE
[01:57] <Snake_> =girl.
[01:57] <Snake_> :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> LjL: there's always the person's nick, or "they" which works lol
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[01:58] <Hobbsee> that's where you start thinkign "oh no, wonder where the ops are today"
[01:58] <Snake_> Then theres ones like Hobbsee here, who show intelligence. Then it's harder to tell
[01:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: heh, really
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:58] <LjL> Hobbsee: the nick is not a choice when you've already repeat it two or more times in the same sentence :) and about "they", uh.. i think i'd feel a little offended if people referred to me with "they" :o)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Snake_: i'm very used to being the only female among a group of guys - so i'm rather used to it by now, in how they think, and how unemotional they are - it's kinda weird at first!
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hey chaoticgeek 
[01:59] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: lol, unemotional?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> LjL: hehe true
[01:59] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: females seem to rant and rave and cry and scream and all that far more often than males do
[01:59] <Snake_> Hobbsee: unemotional? We have plenty of emotion. Like anger. And happines..
[01:59] <Snake_> happiness*
[01:59] <Hobbsee> well yeah
[01:59] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I was just about to say that
[02:00] <Snake_> Hobbsee: we have rage too.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:00] <Snake_> :-P
[02:00] <Hobbsee> and that's always scary
[02:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: rage at our software
[02:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:00] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:00] <Snake_> I once threw a moniter out the window with my emachines.
[02:00] <Snake_> Then I got mad, because I had to buy a new moniter :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ouch!  ROFL!
[02:00] <fatejudger> I can't install the compose package
[02:00] <Hobbsee> odd that
[02:00] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: why not?
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: let me get the error
[02:01] <Hobbsee> k, pastebin it
[02:01] <LjL> Hobbsee: you're using dapper *too*? hell, i mean, being in this channel it feels like breezy is obsoleted or something
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[02:01] <LjL> it's a frigging *alpha version*, dammit! :P
[02:01] <Hobbsee> LjL: this machine is a tripple boot machine - XP, breezy, dapper
[02:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: how is dapper?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hmmm...that all it says?
[02:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and are you a developer?
[02:02] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yes, unfortunately
[02:02] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: well it's nice, but i screwed my users when i copied the /home dir over, with all the settings
[02:02] <LjL> Hobbsee: just wait till mine becomes quadruple boot, mac os x included ;)
[02:02] <Snake_> Hey guys...........how come I cant get man to work :(
[02:02] <Hobbsee> and no, i'm not a developer, just a tester
[02:02] <Snake_> lol
[02:02] <Hobbsee> LjL: nice...i dont quite have the hard disk space for that
[02:02] <LjL> Snake_: it'd hard to manage to get man not to work :) what doesn't work?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Snake_: you're putting it in a terminal lol?
[02:03] <Snake_> LjL: Haha, it wont show me anything on symlinks
[02:03] <Snake_> hobbsee: yes......
[02:03] <fatejudger> holy shit
[02:03] <fatejudger> everybody left
[02:03] <LjL> Hobbsee: well, i don't have something more important, i.e. the *processor* that can run it... i was cheating, i'm going to install it on my father's laptop =)
[02:03] <LjL> Snake_: "man ln"?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> some people, yeah, that server likes to do that
[02:03] <fatejudger> lol
[02:03] <Hobbsee> LjL: hehe
[02:04] <Hobbsee> other people's computers are great for that
[02:04] <chaoticgeek> I have a 5 button mouse, two side buttons, two regualr buttons, and a middle scroll wheel button
[02:04] <fatejudger> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:04] <fatejudger>   kompose: Depends: libimlib2 but it is not installable
[02:04] <fatejudger> E: Broken packages
[02:04] <fatejudger> that's the error
[02:04] <Snake_> LjL: Okay that gave me some weird page I cant exit out of
[02:04] <LjL> Hobbsee: i mean, of course i have a special agreement with apple that allows me to use it outside of their normal EULA, don't get me wrong :->
[02:04] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: sudo apt-get install libimlib2
[02:04] <Hobbsee> LjL: hehe
[02:04] <chaoticgeek> I want to try and get it so that when I click the two side buttons I go forward and backwards in my history
[02:04] <pupil> Ok, I have tried for 2 days now to get flash to work,. and NO dice,. 
[02:04] <pupil> what do I do?
[02:04] <LjL> Snake_: "that weird page" is the manual for ln... and you can type "q" to get out of it
[02:04] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it would have tried that already
[02:04] <pupil> I have followed to how to's so far
[02:04] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but I tried it anyway, and as expected it didn't work
[02:04] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: try it manually
[02:04] <pupil> not workin for me,. 
[02:04] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: apparently the package is missing
[02:04] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: what was teh error from that one?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> ugh, great
[02:05] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: 
[02:05] <Snake_> LjL: Oh okay, well how do I  get it to display info on -s??
[02:05] <fatejudger> Package libimlib2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:05] <fatejudger> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:05] <fatejudger> is only available from another source
[02:05] <fatejudger> E: Package libimlib2 has no installation candidate
[02:05] <Hobbsee> !info libimlib2
[02:05] <ubotu> libimlib2: (powerful image loading and rendering library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-2.2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 548 kB
[02:05] <pupil> Hobbsee, can you help me get flash working, I can't check out this site,. maybe you guys should try, http://bmw.ca
[02:05] <LjL> Snake_: the info *is* in that page. it's actually quite a short page, compared to your average man page!
[02:05] <Snake_> Oh....uhh...k :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> pupil: flash...
[02:05] <LjL> Snake_: under "DESCRIPTION", there's the complete list of the options
[02:05] <Hobbsee> incompatible browser on that link
[02:06] <pupil> Hobbsee, yes,. flas plugin for mozilla firefox,. or konqueror
[02:06] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[02:06] <LjL> Snake_: anyway, you don't even really need the man page. "ln --help" gives you all the info you need to create a symlink
[02:06] <pupil> Hobbsee, I did that,. 
[02:06] <Hobbsee> pupil: and?
[02:06] <pupil> Hobbsee, any other suggestions?
[02:06] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: maybe I need to get another repo
[02:06] <Hobbsee> did it give you any error messages?
[02:06] <fatejudger> !repos
[02:06] <ubotu> hmm... repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[02:07] <pupil> Hobbsee, it installed it,. but does not load http://bmw.ca properly
[02:07] <pupil> it only loads one side of it
[02:07] <Hobbsee> pupil: do you have the useragent extension installed?
[02:07] <pupil> Hobbsee, yeap
[02:08] <Hobbsee> change it so that the page thinks firefox is IE, then try
[02:08] <pupil> Hobbsee, I did that already
[02:08] <Snake_> LjL: so for a link to the desktop it would be "sudo ln /target/file/here /home/snake/desktop/ -s" ?
[02:08] <pupil> Hobbsee, I wonder what I'm doing wrong
[02:08] <Hobbsee> pupil: same thing?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> pupil: it's the way the page is coded, i'm looking to see if there's a way around it
[02:08] <pupil> Hobbsee, yes,. does not work,. I have tried that already
[02:08] <LjL> Snake_: yeah, though the "-s" option traditionally comes right after "ln". i suppose it probably works the way you wrote it too, anyway
[02:08] <pupil> Hobbsee, ohh,. ok,. you get the same thing,. it only loads the left half
[02:09] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:09] <LjL> Snake_: but, wait, why "sudo"?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> pupil: you read html at all?
[02:09] <pupil> Hobbsee, quite well
[02:09] <Hobbsee> pupil: check the page source then :P
[02:09] <Snake_> LjL: Oh alright! Cool I learn something new. I love linux. It's so....rewarding....and I dunno I just assumd I needed it (I execute most commands with it)
[02:09] <pupil> Hobbsee, I came there to configure a car cause I'm gonna buy one next month,. wanted to see what lease payments are,. etc
[02:10] <LjL> Snake_: you definitely shouldn't! "sudo" must only be used when you *need* root permissions. in that case, you don't. when in doubt, try without "sudo" first
[02:10] <pupil> Hobbsee, its a toss up between the 5 series and the lexus is 350
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ah fun
[02:10] <pupil> Hobbsee, thats why I was at the site,. really want it to get working, 
[02:10] <pupil> Hobbsee, Iw as here yesterday as well,. no dice
[02:10] <Snake_> LjL: oh okay
[02:10] <LjL> Snake_: if your *own* user can read /target/file/here, and /home/snake/desktop belongs to your own user (which it most probably does), then you don't need any special priviledges
[02:11] <Snake_> LjL: roger that
[02:11] <LjL> Snake_: actually, using "sudo" would probably have the effect that your own user wouldn't be able to delete the link
[02:11] <Hobbsee> pupil: you cant chang eit, unless you can suddenly FTP to the site and change the page (not a good idea lol!) or use win or mac to browse the site
[02:11] <Hobbsee> bit nasty of it seeming to check for OS as well, in the quick bit that i looked at
[02:12] <pupil> Hobbsee, is it possible to use safari ,. or is that only for mac
[02:12] <Snake_> LjL: one more question, how the hell do I mount NTFS (read only is fine) I tried "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ntfs" (I think it was) and it wouldn't let me even read
[02:12] <Hobbsee> check it, but i would say for mac
[02:12] <pupil> I don' thave windows,. although, I think I'll use qemu,. and install windows98 in it
[02:12] <Hobbsee> lol good luck pupil - that's a horrible OS to load with no drivers lol!
[02:12] <pupil> Hobbsee, is there a way to use wine or some other emulator to run ie explorer?
[02:12] <LjL> Snake_: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1. anyway, you need to have root permissions to read NTFS volumes (no, i don't know what the workaround to that is)
[02:13] <LjL> Snake_: note that i said to *read*, not just to mount
[02:13] <pupil> Hobbsee, I'm only gonna use it for browsing web,. nothing else,. 
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Snake_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[02:13] <LjL> Snake_: in other words, you need "sudo ls /media/hdb1" to actually see the files
[02:13] <Hobbsee> pupil: wine will do it, with winetools
[02:13] <LjL> Snake_: or, to see them graphically, "sudo konqueror /media/hdb1"
[02:13] <pupil> Hobbsee, you have a better idea,. plus I will have it in a virtual machine,. 
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Snake_: that bit works, just dont try a lot of the other stuff in the guide - a lot of it's outdated
[02:13] <pupil> Hobbsee, it will run internet explorer,. is there a howto ?
[02:13] <Snake_> Hobbsee: I was told not to use ubuntu guide...
[02:13] <Snake_> Hobbsee: oh okay
[02:13] <Hobbsee> pupil: ubuntuforums.org
[02:14] <LjL> i... i..... iiin.... ternet explorer?!
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Snake_: yeah, that bit works, and i havent found the replacement bit on the wiki yet - it was there, then disappeared
[02:14] <LjL> why in the world do you want to run *internet explorer* on linux?
[02:14] <pupil> LjL, for flash,. YES
[02:14] <pupil> LjL, go to http://bmw.ca if you can
[02:14] <LjL> last time i checked flash wasn't internet explorer only...
[02:14] <pupil> LjL, tell me if that page loads.
[02:14] <Snake_> pupil: go get a flash plugin for mozilla...
[02:15] <pupil> Snake_, I have it,. I installed it,. it does not work .
[02:15] <Hobbsee> LjL: if you're a webpage creator, a lot of reasons
[02:15] <LjL> pupil: it says my browser is incompatible. which probably means i just have to fake my user agent to make the dumb authors of that page happy...
[02:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it
[02:15] <pupil> LjL, ok,. fake it and go ahead
[02:16] <pupil> Hobbsee, I got it insgtalled,. ain't bad
[02:16] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[02:16] <fatejudger> how do I use kompose?
[02:16] <pupil> Hobbsee, but I noticed alot of menu items are duplicated,. 
[02:17] <LjL> pupil: empty page, but i don't have flash installed
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:17] <pupil> LjL, ok,. apt-get it then
[02:17] <Hobbsee> !info kompose
[02:17] <ubotu> kompose: (full screen task manager for KDE), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-2build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 356 kB
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:17] <Hobbsee> run ti?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> *it
[02:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I tried that
[02:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: it runs
[02:17] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but nothing shows up
[02:17] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: wait a secind
[02:17] <fatejudger> *second
[02:17] <fatejudger> lol
[02:18] <Hobbsee> otherwise check the webpage it's on, or google, for how to use it
[02:19] <Snake_> Hobbsee: I am so sad...I cant get this drive mounted :(
[02:19] <nalioth> kompose?
[02:19] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: wow, this programs kicks ASS
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Snake_: which did you want to mount?
[02:19] <l3m> yeah kompose is great
[02:19] <Snake_> Hobbsee: a NTFS drive (hdb1)
[02:20] <fatejudger> l3m: it isn't just great, it's amazing
[02:20] <fatejudger> l3m: I have it on multiple desktop mode
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Snake_: and where did you want it mounted?
[02:20] <pestilence> i am running amaroK in gnome, and whenever i close it, it doesn't save my podcasts.  any ideas?
[02:20] <fatejudger> l3m: and it can see all the windows I have open, sorted by desktop
[02:20] <Snake_> hobbsee: /media/windows
[02:20] <l3m> fatejudger: new to kde? 
[02:20] <fatejudger> l3m: is there a way to disable the tray icon?
[02:20] <fatejudger> l3m: no, I've always used KDE when I used Linux
[02:20] <pestilence> i mean, i add a bunch of podcasts, go file->quit and reopen it, and all the podcasts are gone.
[02:21] <fatejudger> l3m: all the rest of the DEs suck, and only KDE uses C++ and QT :D
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Snake_: PM?
[02:21] <Snake_> Hobbsee: I assume that means permissions?
[02:21] <l3m> fatejudger: i don't think you can disable the tray icon
[02:21] <Hobbsee> no, private message :P
[02:21] <l3m> fatejudger: maybe somewhere in a config file
[02:21] <Snake_> Hobbsee: I need to register
[02:22] <Hobbsee> register then...
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !register
[02:22] <ubotu> it has been said that register is type /msg nickserv help register
[02:22] <LjL> hey, where in hell has "about:" ended up in firefox?!
[02:22] <Hobbsee> LjL: about:config?
[02:23] <LjL> oh, right
[02:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:23] <Snake_> Argh. Now to find a name that will work
[02:23] <Snake_> Does anyone have rights to remove snake_?
[02:23] <Snake_> If it hasn't been accessed in 60 days that is
[02:23] <Snake_> lol
[02:24] <fatejudger> Snake_: there is no "snake_"
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Snake_: use a double _ at the end?  ie snake__?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> although someone did on aim :( 
[02:24] <_Snake_> GRRRRR.
[02:25] <Snake__> There we go
[02:25] <Hobbsee> good
[02:26] <LjL> pupil: a menu is shown on the left in firefox, while nothing is shown in konqueror
[02:26] <fatejudger> wow, kompose REALLY needs to be installed by default on Kubuntu
[02:27] <LjL> what's compelling with it?
[02:27] <pupil> LjL, your supposed to see more than just the left page,. you should see more on the right,. 
[02:27] <pupil> the right is not loading,. 
[02:27] <LjL> pupil: yeah, quite clearly so
[02:27] <pupil> LjL, indeed,. so that is why I just installed wine, and am in the processs of configureing internet explorer
[02:29] <LjL> pupil: if it were for me, i would just never ever visit that site, possibly meaning i could end up not buying from them... though i realize this may not be feasible for everyone
[02:29] <pupil> LjL, I am comparing it to the 5 series to the Lexus IS350
[02:30] <pupil> LjL, but same thing happens on lexus site,. so i mean,. I can't compare any of them
[02:30] <plasma> Hey guys, can somebody check why "apt-get source kdebase" doesnt work?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> plasma: got any error messages for it?
[02:31] <LjL> plasma: isn't it a virtual package?
[02:31] <plasma> w8
[02:31] <LjL> plasma: yes, it is
[02:31] <LjL> plasma: no wonder you can't get the sources, there aren't any
[02:31] <Snake__> Yay. Music. Now back to making a symlink :-D
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:32] <plasma> Hobbsee, "unable to find a sourcre package for kdebase"
[02:32] <plasma> Hm
[02:32] <Hobbsee> why do you want the source package for it?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> and do you have your sources commented out?
[02:32] <plasma> I want to recompile it for debian
[02:33] <LjL> plasma: you should probably use the original tarball then
[02:33] <plasma> everything else (kdelibs, etc) work fine
[02:33] <Snake__> SUCESS!!!!!!!! I am a happy mofo.
[02:33] <plasma> only kdebase is not available as src
[02:33] <LjL> plasma: anyway, there is no source. that's a virtual package. it's empty. nothing in there.
[02:33] <plasma> k
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Snake__: yay!
[02:33] <LjL> plasma: you must install the single packages' sources
[02:33] <plasma> :(
[02:34] <LjL> plasma: just look at the "Depends:" line, and get those
[02:34] <Snake__> I think IRC needs a buddy list, then I can harass people like Hobbsee and LjL  whenever MY issues gotta be solved :-D I can't wait to get good at this. I'll be able to give back to the community :)
[02:34] <LjL> Snake__: what is meant by a buddy list? i'm not into instant messenging
[02:35] <Snake__> LjL: it was a joke, I was saying I need a way to keep track of you at all times :)
[02:35] <LjL> Snake__: /notify LjL
[02:35] <LjL> (will i regret this? :P)
[02:36] <Snake__> LjL: na, I will just come in here
[02:36] <LjL> anyway, the command to know when people join and leave is /notify
[02:36] <Snake__> Its amazing, I made a simple link and I am all happy now....I <3 linux lol
[02:36] <LjL> heh
[02:38] <chaoticgeek> I give up for now
[02:41] <pupil> where is wine config file?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Snake__: LOL
[02:41] <pupil> anyone know where the wine config file is?
[02:41] <LjL> pupil: don't have wine installed, but i think most if not all of the stuff is in ~/.wine
[02:41] <Snake__> Hobbsee: Uhhhh what are you laughing at? :)
[02:42] <pupil> LjL, no no,. config file
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Snake__: you will get good at htis fairly quickly, particularly if you watch, and are willing to screw up your system a few times to test something out...
[02:42] <LjL> pupil: yeah, i was talking about that
[02:42] <LjL> pupil: of course i might be wrong about its location, as i don't have it installed as i said
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Snake__: the buddy list idea, so that you can come and question us even when we arent on irc
[02:42] <pupil> LjL, I have to change my DllOverrides file
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Snake__: most of us have some form of other IM though - i have 4, at the moment
[02:43] <Snake__> Hobbsee: I've screwed it up about 9 times so far :) and oh, bit delayed
[02:43] <LjL> i don't :P
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Snake__: yeah, i was away
[02:43] <Hobbsee> only 9?
[02:43] <LjL> pupil: i don't know really, but try "dpkg -L wine", you'll see a list of every file that Wine installed
[02:43] <Hobbsee> you newbie :P
[02:44] <LjL> pupil: some file named "wine.conf" or "winerc" would be a good candidate
[02:44] <plasma> LjL, I can't even apt-get source kappfinder
[02:44] <plasma> same error
[02:44] <LjL> plasma: ok, now that's not normal
[02:44] <LjL> plasma: hold on
[02:45] <Snake__> I got AIM, MSN, and Yahoo, but I don't like to harass people for their info (specially tech support, I am a good windows user, and I get kinda P/Oed when people IM me "HI HW DO U OPN A FOLRRERER" when XP is such a simple OS) which is a lot like asking "how do I make a dir" in linux. I'm sure no one wants to be bothered with it (tho linux is a longer learning curve than windows)
[02:45] <LjL> plasma: uh... actually, i was wrong. even though kdebase is a metapackage in binary form, it's a real package in source form
[02:45] <LjL> plasma: please paste the complete command line and error in the pastebin for me
[02:45] <LjL> Snake__: mkdir :)
[02:45] <Snake__> LjL: I know.
[02:46] <Snake__> :)
[02:46] <LjL> Snake__: :P
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Snake__: lol
[02:46] <brodel> mkfldr :D
[02:46] <LjL> heh
[02:46] <plasma> LjL, it's on another machine, console only
[02:46] <Snake__> mkcomnsense 0:-)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> nah, it's rm -rf :P  - NO ONE DARE TRY THAT!  I'LL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR IT IF YOU DO!
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:46] <Snake__> Once again to what Hobbsee just said.
[02:46] <Snake__> mkcomnsense 0:-)
[02:46] <Snake__> lol
[02:46] <LjL> plasma: well, stupid question, but you do have the relevant source rep enabled?
[02:46] <plasma> But "unable to find a source package for kdebase" is more or less the only error
[02:47] <plasma> LjL, of course :)
[02:47] <plasma> kdelibs and thelike work good
[02:47] <Snake__> Hobbsee: This windows folder will be mounted each time I restart right?
[02:47] <LjL> plasma: do you have breezy-updates (the source rep of course, not the binary rep) enabled? here it's downloading it from there
[02:47] <Snake__> Hobbsee: So its safe for me to have aramok scan it?
[02:48] <plasma> LjL, I have only breezy, not breezy-updates
[02:48] <plasma> let me check ...
[02:48] <Snake__> rok* whatev
[02:48] <LjL> plasma: well try adding it then... perhaps it is simply broken in the breezy rep
[02:48] <pupil> anyone know where to edit the config for DLLOverrides
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Snake__: it will indeed, and it should be
[02:49] <Snake__> Hobbsee: WahoO!
[02:49] <Hobbsee> works :)
[02:49] <Snake__> hmm thats odd
[02:49] <Hobbsee> what is?
[02:49] <Snake__> It keeps telling me some media is not playable. As in any song I click to play
[02:49] <pupil> Hobbsee, anyone know where to edit the config for DLLOverrides
[02:49] <pupil> Hobbsee, for wine?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> pupil: no idea sorry, did you get winetools as well?
[02:50] <LjL> pupil: a quick search on google makes it look like DLLOverrides is actually a registry key, not part of a config file
[02:50] <pupil> Hobbsee, umm, I dunno
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ubuntuforums.org for a howto on wine, and winetools
[02:50] <Snake__> Hobbsee: and it seems that the location is correct..
[02:51] <Hobbsee> file extension of the song?
[02:51] <Snake__> .mp3
[02:51] <plasma> LjL, do you have a source lin at hand?
[02:51] <LjL> Snake__: still with your NTFS drive? remember, if you're trying to use it as a normal user, you won't access it
[02:51] <Hobbsee> if you copy it over to your /home dir, does it play from there?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> !sources
[02:51] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:51] <LjL> plasma: deb-src http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[02:52] <beefsprocket> has anyone else had problems compiling verlihub like I have?
[02:52] <plasma> thx
[02:52] <LjL> !ntfs
[02:52] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:52] <Hobbsee> beefsprocket: what problems?  paste any error messages to the pastebin
[02:52] <Snake__> Hobbsee: No it wont play from my /home either
[02:52] <beefsprocket> sorry, not compile errors, just operation timeouts
[02:53] <beefsprocket> I had it working with an older 0.98a version
[02:53] <brodel> ok.. I clicked a link to e-mail something and it says mailto is not a registered protocol. I know what that means. Just don't know how to fix it :\
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Snake__: do you have the gstreamer plugins?
[02:53] <Snake__> Hobbsee: *shakes head*
[02:53] <Hobbsee> !faq
[02:53] <ubotu> from memory, faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[02:54] <Snake__> Hobbsee: wait yes I do
[02:54] <Hobbsee> did you register the gstreamer plugins?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Snake__: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
[02:55] <Snake__> Hobbsee: probly not
[02:55] <Hobbsee> stick that in your console
[02:55] <plasma> ok, its coming now, thx LjL 
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Snake__: en "gst-register-0.8"
[02:59] <fatejudger> is there a way to configure "Storage Media" to show partitions too?
[03:00] <plasma> Erm, LjL, what I got from breezy-update is kde 3.4.3
[03:00] <plasma> I need kde 3.5
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[03:00] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[03:00] <Hobbsee> !tell Snake__ about repos
[03:01] <l3m> wow amarok has improved quite a bit. i'm impressed
[03:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, it has :)
[03:01] <LjL> plasma: then you need a deb-src line for the relevant rep...
[03:01] <pupil> Hobbsee, you know what wine hq is ?
[03:01] <l3m> it automatically recognized my ipod, show the playlist on it, and got the album cover
[03:02] <Hobbsee> pupil: wine headquarters, yeah...
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !wine
[03:02] <plasma> LjL, I used the one you told me
[03:02] <pupil> Hobbsee, whats the difference? 
[03:03] <pupil> Hobbsee,  between wine and winehq
[03:03] <Hobbsee> between wine and winehq?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> dont think there is one
[03:03] <Hobbsee> there's a difference between wine and winex
[03:03] <LjL> plasma: but of course that was the standard breezy-updates rep! kde 3.5 isn't a final release, it can't be in there
[03:03] <LjL> plasma: i think the right source rep is the same as the binary rep for 3.5rc1
[03:03] <kubuntu_guy> guys
[03:04] <LjL> plasma: adding a deb-src line exactly like the corresponding deb line should work
[03:06] <[t0rc] > nalioth: hey what's up?
[03:07] <plasma> LjL, that's what I tried first, but it didn't help either. However I just noticed, that there are native 3.5 packages for debian on alioth :)
[03:07] <plasma> thx
[03:08] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a way to edit the right click menu in kde, universally?
[03:08] <nalioth> [t0rc] : howdy
[03:08] <[t0rc] > nalioth: well, i've got 64bit drivers working for it finally. 
[03:09] <LjL> pupil: installed Wine, installed Firefox for Windows on it, loaded bmw.ca, works a charm
[03:09] <[t0rc] > nalioth: for ATI. 
[03:09] <[t0rc] > nalioth: but of course, i've another situation. lol.
[03:09] <srockett> LjL> why would anyone run firefox in wine when it works native?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> who knows...
[03:10] <LjL> srockett: 'cause he needs to load some Flash sites that don't work on linux
[03:10] <srockett> LjL> not even with the flash plugin?
[03:10] <LjL> srockett: no
[03:11] <srockett> 0_o
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !tell Snake__ about wine
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !winetools
[03:14] <ubotu> Hobbsee: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[03:23] <Snake__> Hey anyone know what a "Alt Gr" key is??
[03:24] <Snake__> As used here:
[03:24] <Snake__>  range of accented and other foreign-language characters are available using the "Alt Gr" key on a standard PC keyboard
[03:25] <LjL> what do you mean?
[03:25] <LjL> i don't know what "Gr" actually stands for, no
[03:26] <rodropo> !w32codecs
[03:26] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil. One possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:26] <Snake__> LjL: Do you know what key it is?? lol
[03:26] <LjL> Snake__: the right Alt key
[03:27] <LjL> @${[] }\ @ j n   <--- my keyboard layout gives me this using it
[03:28] <regeya> 
[03:28] <Snake__> How do you use that??
[03:28] <LjL> uh, you press it, keep it pressed, and press another key, and release both :)
[03:29] <LjL> just like you'd use shift or ctrl or the left alt or whatever
[03:29] <Snake__> Hmm dont work for me...
[03:29] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[03:29] <LjL> well you probably don't have a keyboard layout that has something meaningful mapped for it
[03:29] <Ayiden> !automake
[03:29] <ubotu> Ayiden: What?
[03:29] <LjL> i'm using a swedish keyboard layout
[03:29] <LjL> you should look for something like an "US International" layout
[03:30] <Snake__> im using american...
[03:30] <Ayiden> anyone know which automake I should have?
[03:30] <Ayiden> i noticed that kbfx asks for 1.6 (only needed if editing make) however there are 1.6,7,8, and 9
[03:30] <Ayiden> which one *(lol)
[03:30] <Ayiden> or two?
[03:30] <LjL> Snake__: settings / regional / keyboard layout, change "basic" to "intl"
[03:32] <Snake__> Anyone but me like kubuntu's old setting layout better? (kdes)
[03:32] <LjL> Snake__: hm?
[03:32] <Snake__> KDE's setting layout
[03:33] <Snake__> I like it more than the one in breezy
[03:33] <LjL> what do you mean "setting layout"?
[03:34] <Snake__> When you go into system settings
[03:34] <pcniatic> anyone can help me installing kcheckgmail??
[03:34] <LjL> Snake__: oh, yeah, but system settings is just to make it easier for people
[03:34] <Knowerrors> Anyone know how to easily edit kde context/service menu's?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> !info kcheckgail
[03:34] <Snake__> yea
[03:34] <Hobbsee> !info kcheckgmail
[03:34] <ubotu> kcheckgmail: (KDE systray application to check GMail accounts), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.3a-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 576 kB
[03:35] <LjL> Snake__: just add a "Settings" applet to your panel, and you'll have easy access to the full-blown KControl and all the preferences in one menu
[03:35] <Snake__> Swiggety
[03:35] <pcniatic> there is problems with versions 0.5.3a and before
[03:35] <Hobbsee> pcniatic: should just be "sudo apt-get install kcheckgmail" as long as you have universe
[03:35] <pcniatic> i already did
[03:35] <Snake__> fghjk'
[03:35] <Snake__> sorry
[03:35] <Snake__> lol
[03:36] <LjL> there you are
[03:36] <Ayiden> How do you install kbfx in breezy?
[03:36] <pcniatic> but the problem is that google made some changes, and versions 0.5.3a and before do not work anymore
[03:36] <Ayiden> !kbfx
[03:36] <ubotu> Ayiden: Are you smoking crack?
[03:36] <Ayiden> darn *(lol)
[03:36] <LjL>       
[03:37] <Snake__> LOL!!!! nice.
[03:37] <Snake__> are you smokin crack!?
[03:37] <Snake__> lol
[03:37] <pcniatic> ok, thanks
[03:37] <LjL> and guess what? i can also write  , which do exist in italian, but *are not* on the italian keyboard! that's one of the reasons why i use a swedish one :)
[03:38] <LjL> Snake__: and note that the swedes *do not* have those accents in their language ;)
[03:38] <Snake__> They look german...perhaps...
[03:38] <Snake__> i think
[03:38] <Snake__> no..german is the little dots...
[03:38] <LjL> Snake__: which ones? germans have   
[03:38] <Snake__> yea
[03:39] <LjL> Snake__:  and similar as italian, french, portuguese and spanish (and more, of course)
[03:39] <LjL> though we don't all use each of them
[03:39] <Snake__> Okay! End the language lesson. Now. Please. Thank you.
[03:40] <LjL> :P
[03:40] <Snake__> I cannot stand that, I hate english, I hate language
[03:40] <LjL> yet what would you do without language
[03:40] <Snake__> Be lost and confused
[03:40] <Snake__> It has to many rules tho, it should all be basic.
[03:41] <LjL> which, in the case of english, is often still the case, but i mean, in general languages are useful :P
[03:41] <Snake__> (You can tell I dont like english when I have a 25% E grade in the class)
[03:41] <LjL> rules? RULES? english has RULES? you haven't seen a *real* language with rules :P
[03:41] <Snake__> Well I tried to take german.
[03:41] <Snake__> Once.
[03:49] <fatejudger> is there a way to get accented letters in linux?
[03:49] <fatejudger> using the control key or something
[03:49] <Snake__> LOL I just figured that one out
[03:50] <Snake__> Actualy LjL did, got to set you keyboard to a special internation layout
[03:50] <LjL> yeah settings / regional / layout, set "intl" instead of "basic"
[03:54] <nalioth> LjL: and then how do you spit out accented characters?
[03:54] <LjL> nalioth: right alt key + try various keys
[03:55] <nalioth> pot luck
[03:55] <nalioth> que paso, LjL 
[03:56] <LjL> todo bien todo bien, gracias :P
[04:02] <generallee5686> hey nalioth, you there?
[04:02] <nalioth> yes
[04:02] <generallee5686> still have problems....
[04:03] <generallee5686> its still giving me all these stupid resolutions to choose from, with the highest 1024.768, ran the xorg-reconfigure deal and everything
[04:04] <nalioth> generallee5686: run the reconfigure deal again, and when you get to the part with the rez choices, use the space bar to deselect the ones you DONT want
[04:04] <generallee5686> k
[04:07] <Whiskers> kubuntu isnt detecting my tv tuner in the kdetv app
[04:07] <Whiskers> lspci | grep MPEG shows that the card is there
[04:08] <Whiskers> how do i configure my tv card to work?
[04:13] <LjL> night guys
[04:13] <Snake__> pz
[04:17] <crimson> need help i cant install Wolfenstein ET, i get this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/433889
[04:17] <Snake__> hang on
[04:17] <Snake__> paging nalioth are you here nalioth?
[04:18] <Snake__> Hmm
[04:18] <Snake__> I can't help you, and seems no one is on that I know of thats good w/ tech support
[04:19] <Snake__> Perhaps try 2marro?
[04:29] <nalioth> Snake__: 
[04:30] <nalioth> i am unfamiliar with that wolfenstein problem
[04:32] <crimson> ok
[04:32] <Snake__> Worth a shot
[04:35] <Whiskers> 119 people in here, and no one talks.....
[04:35] <sophieab> well actually 118 people on standby
[04:36] <Whiskers> well damn
[04:36] <Whiskers> sucks if you need some help :(
[04:37] <sophieab> Whiskers: if u need help just yell
[04:37] <Whiskers> i tried :P
[04:37] <Whiskers> hey i need help :O 
[04:38] <Whiskers> i have a tv tuner and i have kde tv but kde tv isnt finding my tv tuner :(
[04:38] <Whiskers> but... lspci |grep MPEG sees it
[04:40] <sophieab> Whiskers: go u know whatchipsetyour tv tuner card is using
[04:41] <Whiskers> no i dont, but i know its supported well in linux, its a hauppauge pvr 350
[04:41] <sophieab> ok haupauge is good news
[04:41] <sophieab> do lsmod do see if drivers are loaded look for something like bt***
[04:44] <Whiskers> i dont see anything bt
[04:46] <sophieab> Whiskers: give me sec
[04:46] <Whiskers> sure :)
[04:47] <sophieab> Whiskers: Have u had a look at http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[04:50] <sophieab> Whiskers: Have u had a look at http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[04:51] <Whiskers> ewww, no out of the box goodness?
[04:52] <Whiskers> brb
[05:05] <e1vis> hello
[05:06] <e1vis> my ubuntu live cd loads perfectly but kubuntu live stalls on "detecting network hardware."  any way around this?
[05:06] <fyrmedic>  anyone no where to get the amarok-engines package for amarok 1.3.5?
[05:07] <nalioth> fyrmedic: kubuntu.org
[05:09] <fyrmedic> nalioth: not a hopeful choice but I'll try again
[05:10] <e1vis> how do I get past this?
[05:10] <nalioth> fyrmedic: the sourcecode and i believe x86 pkgs for amarok can be found there
[05:10] <e1vis> anybody????
[05:10] <e1vis> :-)
[05:11] <e1vis> i'm really stuck now boys
[05:11] <e1vis> looks like kubuntu ain't going to fly tonight
[05:13] <kkathman> elvis whats the problem?
[05:13] <kkathman> e1vis: when you installed did you have your box plugged into the network?
[05:16] <fyrmedic> whats up with the backports? are they down?
[05:16] <kkathman> there are no breezy backports
[05:18] <Knowerrors> Hey all, how do I activate Debian menu to show all apps that are installed on Kubuntu, including ones I installed from ubu repos that K menu doesn't show
[05:18] <fyrmedic> in adept there are a couple of repositories that are listed as backports that aren't working when I try and use them
[05:18] <kkathman> I dont think you should have backports in your sources
[05:26] <_micah> anyone awake?
[05:27] <kkathman> yep
[05:29] <Aven> what's the full directory for kane?
[05:31] <nalioth> kkathman is correct, backports should only be used when you want something specific, then disabled once more
[05:31] <_micah> how do I change my soundcard? I have 2 installed but cannot seem to choose which one I want to use
[05:33] <nalioth> _micah: remove one?
[05:33] <_micah> need to be able to use both
[05:34] <nalioth> hmm, that's a bit fancy for me
[05:34] <kkathman> how are you going to use both?
[05:34] <kkathman> and why?
[05:34] <kkathman> thats kinda silly
[05:34] <kkathman> disable your onboad and then use the card right?
[05:34] <_micah> no, I have onboard, + 2 cards
[05:35] <_micah> 1 for headphones, the other for gaming
[05:35] <_micah> dont use the onboard
[05:35] <kkathman> not wise
[05:35] <kkathman> disable one
[05:35] <_micah> alright, how would I go about doing that?
[05:35] <kkathman> nalitoh is right
[05:35] <kkathman> oops nalioth I mean
[05:36] <kkathman> uhm.. pull it out? and reboot?
[05:36] <_micah> well, thanks anyway
[05:36] <kkathman> shrug
[05:50] <doodz> i installed something from source becouse i didn't think there was a debian package for it but when i installed it from source the program had no documentation on installation so i just tryed my best, and now i've found a package installed that and the program dosn't work now, still gives the error i was geting from when i installed from source.
[05:51] <doodz> i just need to reinstall kubuntu now and install from package hey
[05:52] <crimsun> why would you need to reinstall Kubuntu?
[05:53] <doodz> becouse i get errors, i have no idea how to uninstall something make deinstall and make clean dosn't work
[05:53] <doodz> tells me theres no rule to do those
[05:53] <crimsun> that doesn't mean you need to reinstall. In fact, you don't.
[05:54] <crimsun> By default most things get dumped into /usr/local
[05:54] <crimsun> at most you'll need to clean /usr/local up a bit
[05:54] <doodz> if i type the $path command
[05:54] <doodz> that shows me where everything installs to hey
[05:54] <doodz> then just clean out files from there that relate to this software i just installed that messed up ?
[05:54] <crimsun> no, that shows you the $PATH
[05:54] <crimsun> it has very little to do with where locally compiled programs dump their contents
[05:55] <doodz> $path is just used for executing hey
[05:55] <doodz> like when you type a command in without a ./ it refers to the $paths
[05:55] <doodz> is that correct ?
[05:55] <crimsun> what you want to do is look in /usr/local/{include,lib,bin} and remove any references to your locally compiled program
[05:55] <sproingie> $PATH ... case-sensitive, csh brain damage notwithstanding
[06:12] <Knowerrors> how do I get the "Debian" menu to appear in Kmenu that shows all installed programs?
[06:12] <kkathman> Debian menu?? 
[06:13] <kkathman> use Adept to see your installed programs Knowerrors :)
[06:13] <kkathman> Kmenu - System - Adept Package Manager
[06:16] <Knowerrors> I don't just want to see them, I want an easy way to launch them, either by menu or desktop icon, without having to manually create the menu/icon entry :)
[06:17] <nalioth> kkathman: he wants a "debian" menu under his 'k' menu (like on gnome)
[06:17] <Knowerrors> I did this before in regular Debian, but kubuntu seems to hide some programs from the Kmenu
[06:17] <kkathman> oh ok...yah see thats what I get for trying to answer hehe :)
[06:19] <Knowerrors> nalioth: do you know how to show this autopopulated menu?
[06:19] <nalioth> not in kde, no.
[06:24] <_goldbrick> hey, is there a list of packages that you need to install for gcc etc.. ?
[06:24] <_goldbrick> I installed the gcc & gcc 4.0 package
[06:24] <nalioth_zZz> _goldbrick: install 'build-essential"
[06:24] <_goldbrick> But ./configure is giving this error error: C compiler cannot create executables
[06:25] <_goldbrick> ahh
[06:25] <_goldbrick> How did you find that out?
[06:25] <nalioth_zZz> _goldbrick: i'm a lucky guesser
[06:26] <Ahmuck> what does rm -rf in / on a live cd do ?
[06:27] <Ahmuck> causes you to be not live anymore but in another dimension
[06:29] <_goldbrick> Yay!
[06:29] <_goldbrick> I'm compiling Synergy
[06:29] <azeroth> someone can help me??? i can't  get the backports repositories....
[06:30] <nalioth_zZz> azeroth: there are no programs there yet
[06:31] <azeroth> dammit
[06:32] <_goldbrick> dude, adept rules
[06:35] <_goldbrick> hey
[06:36] <_goldbrick> What package do I need to compile apps that use the X11 headers?
[06:36] <nalioth_zZz> !xincludes
[06:36] <ubotu> hmm... xincludes is for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[06:37] <nalioth_zZz> _goldbrick: you mean like those?
[06:39] <_goldbrick> Thank yee
[06:39] <_goldbrick> I'm rather new to all this
[06:39] <brad__> nick fyrmedic
[06:42] <gupta> I can't find deb package for ktop. Anybody has any idea.
[06:43] <gupta> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=ktop+%22task+manager%22&btnG=Search
[06:45] <nalioth> gupta: what is ktop?
[06:46] <gupta> taks manager for kde.
[06:46] <gupta> *task
[06:46] <fyrmedic> so what is the biggest reason that I would want to stay with linux as opposed to going back to windows?
[06:48] <nalioth> fyrmedic: have you seen a virus or trojan since you've been using linux?
[06:49] <JoeBu> virus no, but trojans exist
[06:49] <JoeBu> skype for example
[06:49] <fyrmedic> I haven't had a virus or trojan in windows in years. Then again, I was pretty well protected by a series of apps. 
[06:50] <JoeBu> that u purchased
[06:50] <fyrmedic> some of them
[06:50] <fyrmedic> what's up with skype
[06:50] <JoeBu> it has had some problems with trojans lately
[06:50] <JoeBu> i dont use it myself
[06:51] <nalioth> fyrmedic: have you needed "a series of apps" here in linux?
[06:51] <fyrmedic> hrmmm. I was looking at it today.
[06:51] <JoeBu> i'd be wary of installing it until you get the skinny on the details....shouldn't be long before it resumes back to normal
[06:51] <fyrmedic> nalioth: seems like it. I have had all sorts of problems trying to get apps installed. It seems like I am forever chasing down extra's that are needed.
[06:52] <JoeBu> thats another positive for open source
[06:52] <JoeBu> open source usually fixes security problems waaay sooner than M$
[06:52] <fyrmedic> JoeBu: I am not going to try skype until I get my other disasters figured out.
[06:52] <JoeBu> M$ denies vulnerabities exist ...lol
[06:53] <nalioth> fyrmedic: do you have all the official repos enabled?
[06:53] <fyrmedic> nalioth: yes
[06:53] <nalioth> fyrmedic: then you must want some very interesting things
[06:53] <fyrmedic> amarok
[06:54] <JoeBu> running amarok right now as a matter of fact
[06:54] <fyrmedic> amarok is a huge disaster
[06:54] <nalioth> fyrmedic: i have the latest amarok on my box. the link is at kubuntu.org
[06:54] <fyrmedic> yeah. I tried it at least 10 times.
[06:54] <nalioth> the latest cutting edge "please test this for me" amarok
[06:55] <nalioth> it compiled and ran just fine for me... ..
[06:55] <fyrmedic> I have been working on it for days. I am about to get a divorce out of it
[06:55] <JoeBu> eek
[06:55] <JoeBu> why not use juk instead?
[06:55] <fyrmedic> I am kidding of course. but definately in the "dog house.
[06:55] <JoeBu> or some other
[06:56] <fyrmedic> why not. I will try anything right now. I am leary about installing things though
[06:57] <gupta> I installed alien it took 30mb(including all libraries). Now when i try to remove it(aptitude remove) only 295kb will recovered.
[06:57] <fyrmedic> what's alien
[06:57] <JoeBu> it changes rpms
[06:57] <gupta> Is there any way to remove lib that are not needed by any package.
[06:57] <JoeBu> to debs
[06:57] <fyrmedic> oh
[06:58] <JoeBu> if you dont use aptitude from the beginning there are usually problems like that creeping up
[06:58] <JoeBu> use straight up apt-get
[06:58] <JoeBu> or adept in breezy
[06:58] <gupta> hmm So there isn't a way to remove those 30mb now.
[06:59] <JoeBu> i got a good link for you about that subject...hang on
[06:59] <JoeBu> here it is http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/tag/applications/
[06:59] <gupta> Thanks! joeBu
[07:00] <JoeBu> yep
[07:00] <JoeBu> i got that guys feed on agregator
[07:00] <JoeBu> some good content there
[07:01] <fyrmedic> lol I just tried juk. I think kubuntu doesn't like my music
[07:01] <JoeBu> if it gave u a problem its probably some kind of engine prob
[07:01] <fyrmedic> started up fine then ****CRASH****
[07:02] <JoeBu> ouch
[07:02] <JoeBu> i guess u r running breezy right?
[07:03] <gupta> JoeBu that link was  Perfect! :)
[07:03] <JoeBu> no problem gupta
[07:03] <fyrmedic> yeah... wait I have music.
[07:03] <fyrmedic> I think my problem has to do with db's entirely.
[07:06] <JoeBu> u finding some success fyr?
[07:08] <fyrmedic> so-so
[07:09] <fyrmedic> I seem to have a problem getting the folder that has all of my music to work. It is fine with 1 or 2 small ones.
[07:09] <nalioth_zZz> fyrmedic: how many songs do you have in the folder?
[07:10] <fyrmedic> in the big one?
[07:10] <nalioth_zZz> yes
[07:10] <fyrmedic> 1 or 2k
[07:10] <fyrmedic> maybe more
[07:10] <nalioth_zZz> no wonder
[07:10] <fyrmedic> could be 4k
[07:11] <nalioth_zZz> your amarok is parsing all those id3tags
[07:11] <fyrmedic> my amarok is shot. it is not doing anything. I got juk to play a few
[07:12] <nalioth_zZz> whatever music player you use, is clogging down parsing all that data
[07:13] <fyrmedic> I am frustrated with amarok. I had all the same problems that I have had today and stumbled onto a fix but haven't been able to stumble back into it.
[07:13] <JoeBu> when something like that happens, sometimes a process will get "forgotten" in your pid list....what kind of performance u getting on the puter in general?
[07:13] <fyrmedic> better and faster than windows. 
[07:13] <JoeBu> right on
[07:14] <JoeBu> linux uses memory much more efficiently than windows
[07:14] <fyrmedic> but I am still trying to learn enough about linux to start tweaking things.
[07:14] <fyrmedic> I think that mysql is hugely broke too.
[07:14] <JoeBu> the best thing to learn first is how to back everything up.....windows or not
[07:14] <fyrmedic> I know
[07:14] <JoeBu> yeah, i have been having some drupal issues myself
[07:15] <fyrmedic> I am not afraid to re-install if I have to currently
[07:15] <fyrmedic> I still have xp in the backgroung
[07:15] <fyrmedic> if something goes bad
[07:15] <JoeBu> what makes u think mysql is shot?
[07:16] <fyrmedic> I opened up the system log app and it had all sorts of entries for mysql that looked like errors.
[07:17] <JoeBu> did u delete the mysql table in the default database?
[07:17] <JoeBu> the is a system maintenance account that uses it
[07:20] <fyrmedic> I was just looking at it again and can't find where I saw the prob's. Must have been hallucinating
[07:20] <fyrmedic> theres other stuff that bother me thought
[07:20] <JoeBu> probably got archived
[07:21] <fyrmedic> 11/17/2005 11:16:42 PM	localhost	kernel	[4299183.615000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x81 on isa0060/serio0).
[07:21] <JoeBu> that stuff in /var/log dirs gets archived and rotated with anachron
[07:21] <fyrmedic> that pops up a lot
[07:22] <JoeBu> hmm....looks like a job for google there...i got no idea...maybe u installed some software off of unofficial repositories that it didnt like?
[07:22] <fyrmedic> prolly
[07:23] <fyrmedic> prolly a dpkg thing
[07:23] <JoeBu> could b
[07:24] <JoeBu> that is an xfree86 error
[07:25] <JoeBu> one sec
[07:25] <fyrmedic> did you find it in google. it failed for me
[07:26] <JoeBu> here is someone with a similiar problem http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0401.3/0686.html
[07:26] <JoeBu> u might have loaded a foreign version of something
[07:28] <fyrmedic> looks like it has something to do with my keyboard. I haven't even addressed that one yet
[07:29] <JoeBu> yep
[07:29] <JoeBu> lookin at it i was just about to say
[07:29] <JoeBu> makes sense...atkbd.c
[07:29] <fyrmedic> theres about a bazillion buttons that aren't recognized by the system
[07:30] <JoeBu> probably pops that error when u were tinkering with the buttons on it
[07:30] <fyrmedic> lol yup I just did it.
[07:31] <JoeBu> well, there's one problem that u have figured out :)
[07:31] <fyrmedic> partially
[07:32] <fyrmedic> I have music playing... guess I have enter them all by hand
[07:32] <fyrmedic> so is Breezy still in Beta
[07:32] <JoeBu> you could split up the directories into multiple to see if that helps
[07:32] <fyrmedic> I was thinking about that
[07:33] <JoeBu> i dont think beta is a good word, remember there is unstable, stable, and testing forks
[07:33] <JoeBu> dapper is the unstable
[07:34] <fyrmedic> so what is the 5.10 release. unstable?
[07:34] <JoeBu> no, u r on breezy 5.10
[07:35] <JoeBu> dapper is like 6.x
[07:35] <fyrmedic> so do they consider breezy stable?
[07:36] <JoeBu> as the the technically correct jargon, i wouldnt say it is the most stable....hoary would be more stable
[07:36] <JoeBu> but u wouldnt have as many nice features
[07:36] <JoeBu> some things arent worked out in hoary that are in breezy
[07:36] <JoeBu> im scared of dapper on my regular machine
[07:37] <JoeBu> i run breezy
[07:37] <fyrmedic> lol, I wouldn't say breezy is figured out yet. I have found a bunch of nasties
[07:37] <JoeBu> its not rock solid for sure :P
[07:37] <JoeBu> but it is pretty darn good so far
[07:37] <JoeBu> *knock on wood*
[07:37] <JoeBu> lol
[07:38] <JoeBu> like i say, backups are your friend
[07:38] <fyrmedic> so one of the selling points was that it is frequently updated. Has that been your experience?
[07:39] <JoeBu> i upgraded to it about a week and a half ago...no probs to speak of (not of my own making anyway) and nicer set of apps
[07:39] <JoeBu> i like adept for the package manager
[07:40] <fyrmedic> me too. be careful I accidentally uninstalled KDE the other day
[07:40] <JoeBu> the really nice part was i didnt have to do a whole reinstall...just did a apt-get update and and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:41] <JoeBu> so all my firefox plugins and extensions and all that stuff was untouched...but the programs upgraded
[07:41] <JoeBu> i did upgrade to firefox rc2 yesterday, but didnt see that it was that much better, so i went back to my backup copy of my current version
[07:42] <JoeBu> on gnome desktop i think it runs alot faster
[07:42] <JoeBu> gnome is supposed to be alot more resource intense...dont like gnome myself
[07:43] <fyrmedic> I didn't either when I tried ubuntu. That is why I switched.
[07:43] <fyrmedic> I dont like the toolbar and menus in gnome
[07:44] <JoeBu> I will say this...the Ubuntu/Kubuntu distro is all the rave....been at the top of distrowatch forever..lol
[07:44] <damnhil> I am using a IBM thinkpad t30. How do I suspend to RAM?
[07:44] <JoeBu> well, i am on a dell inspiron..and i look at it like this
[07:44] <JoeBu> i dont trust the thermal stuff, so i dont want to suspend....rather give it a break from the heat
[07:45] <damnhil> JoeBu, can you suspend?
[07:45] <JoeBu> no
[07:45] <JoeBu> the i8kutils package is supposed to help out with that stuff for dells
[07:45] <JoeBu> havent loaded it
[07:45] <fyrmedic> It's about 20 deg. here. I'll stick it in the snow
[07:45] <fyrmedic> lol
[07:45] <JoeBu> lol
[07:45] <JoeBu> u can have that...been there done that
[07:45] <JoeBu> im in GA
[07:46] <JoeBu> u in the states i assume
[07:46] <fyrmedic> Denver
[07:46] <JoeBu> ok, been there...i love I70 through fisheye down the other side of the tunnel :P
[07:47] <fyrmedic> going over tomorrow to Glenwood.
[07:47] <JoeBu> I drove a truck for a year and a half, so i have been everywhere.... :P
[07:48] <fyrmedic> Ought to be fun on Vail pass. there were chain laws in effect yesterday and this morning
[07:48] <JoeBu> those hills are a bitch
[07:48] <fyrmedic> they can be. 
[07:48] <JoeBu> can get in trouble with the heated brakes on dem hills
[07:48] <fyrmedic> no kidding. you learn to love your retarders.
[07:49] <fyrmedic> and low gears
[07:49] <JoeBu> i guess u drive an ambulance or fireresponse vehicle
[07:49] <fyrmedic> both. had my CDL for awhild
[07:49] <fyrmedic> awhile
[07:50] <JoeBu> i always dreaded going by that last little weighstation before denver when headed east
[07:50] <fyrmedic> drove coaches for a couple of years. got scared a bunch of times.
[07:50] <fyrmedic> The one in Downeyville.
[07:50] <JoeBu> i belive thats it
[07:51] <JoeBu> in CA they shoot you with infrared to see how hot your brakes are and harass you 
[07:51] <JoeBu> and the weigh station that is the worst is at the bottom of a very large hill
[07:51] <JoeBu> lol
[07:51] <fyrmedic> lol
[07:51] <JoeBu> im gonna take off for a sec and get some food...be back in a bit
[07:52] <fyrmedic> I am headed for bed. thanks for your help.
[07:52] <JoeBu> no problem
[07:52] <JoeBu> lata
[07:52] <fyrmedic> u2
[08:00] <kairu0> hey all
[08:14] <gigcs> Who  know abount step remaster kubuntu insall cd .
[08:49] <damnhil> I can't enter the administrator mode in KDE menu->System settings->System services. Does anyone have the same problem?
[08:51] <JoeBu> damnhil: i can get in mine
[10:06] <bobuse> Hi there
[10:09] <bobuse> How does adept go to admin mode ? I want to allow to adept to be launched without password, but adept isn't launched with sudo command but with kdesu
[10:36] <aftertaf> eh?
[10:37] <aftertaf> adept runs in user mode read only, that what you want to do?
[10:37] <aftertaf> bobuse:  ?
[10:38] <bobuse> aftertaf: yes
[10:39] <bobuse> aftertaf: I don't understand "adept runs in user mode read only"
[10:39] <aftertaf> bobuse:  then you can edit the icon and remove the kdesu bit in front ;)
[10:39] <tvo> bobuse: if adept is started without privileges, it runs in read-only mode: ie. you can only view (which) packages (are installed)
[10:39] <bobuse> there isn't explicit kdesu that I can remove, look at grep ^Exec /usr/share/applications/kde/adept.desktop
[10:40] <bobuse> ok ok, it isn't that I want
[10:40] <tvo> there should be something like "run as root" or "run as different user"
[10:40] <bobuse> I want to be able to open adept in admin mode without password
[10:41] <bobuse> I've edited my sudoers like that : http://ubuntu-fr.pastebin.com/434118
[10:42] <bobuse> so I can run "sudo apt-get ..." without enter my password
[10:42] <tvo> ok
[10:42] <bobuse> And I want to do same with adept
[10:43] <bobuse> it works if I run "sudo adept" in a term, but the .desktop file runs 'adept %i %m -caption "%c" '
[10:44] <bobuse> I can edit the menu item and add a sudo call
[10:44] <janushead> mornfall: ping
[10:45] <tvo> bobuse: then you'd also want to disbable "run as different" user or whatever it's called
[10:45] <tvo> or you'd get the dialog too
[10:46] <bobuse> how can I disable this ?
[10:47] <bobuse> I won't understand ...
[10:47] <bobuse> nono  I don't understand ...
[10:48] <tvo> open menu editor (by right clicking the K, selectin menu editor), navigate to "Package manager (adept)", remove the checkmark before "run as different user"
[10:48] <bobuse> If i run sudo adept in klauncher (alt+f2), it works. But if I edit /usr/share/applications/kde/adept.desktop and add sudo, it doesn't work (my passworn is required) !
[10:49] <bobuse> tvo: ok
[10:49] <bobuse> tvo: thanks, it works !
[10:49] <tvo> ok cool :)
[10:50] <bobuse> For what is this flag (X-KDE-SubstituteUID) ?
[10:51] <tvo> no idea, i'm no .desktop file expert..
[10:53] <bobuse> thx tvo for your help :-) I go back to #kubuntu-fr ;-)
[10:53] <tvo> k
[11:15] <blueyed_> woohoo, new / missing kde 3.5rc1 packages on kubuntu.org.. Thanks.
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hei? someone there?
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am doing a universitary project..
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> we have to develop a database system
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'd like to have a page modifyable by everyone where to put data test
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know what i can use?
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like a text page accessible by everyone.... similar to rafb
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but where people can modify the data, adding or correcting informations..
[11:23] <l3m> Tallia1Kubuntu:  a wiki?
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe
[11:23] <l3m> yes, a wiki
[11:23] <l3m> moinmoin
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where can i find it?
[11:24] <l3m> apt-get install moin
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't want a wiki on my pc
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want a website that offer that service
[11:25] <l3m> well install it on the webserver?
[11:25] <blueyed_> do you have access to a  (web)server?
[11:29] <blueyed_> someone around who built the recent kde 3.5rc1 packages?
[11:30] <blueyed_> kamera (and kdegraphics) were hold back. because of libgphoto2-2
[11:31] <blueyed_> also the dependencies for kubuntu-desktop are not fulfilled (got uninstalled because of akode)
[11:33] <aftertaf> nope
[11:34] <blueyed_> ok. where's the appropriate place to file such things?
[11:39] <aftertaf> er, no idea....
[11:39] <aftertaf> better msg Riddell for that.
[11:39] <at1as> 
[11:42] <at1as> Is Riddell on this irc?
[11:42] <Tm_T> haha
[11:42] <Tm_T> in this channel? yes
[11:44] <aseigo> Tm_T: god dammit. you're everywhere. ;)
[11:45] <Chousuke> :P
[11:45] <at1as> hmmmm
[11:45] <Tm_T> aseigo: watch your back ;)
[11:45] <aseigo> hehe
[11:45] <Tm_T> hmm, it's guite dirty here under your bed
[11:45] <Tm_T> man, clean once in a while, please
[11:45] <at1as> I'd be interested in what the plans are to fix certain seemingly kubuntu bugs.
[11:46] <aseigo> wow. ok, now that's just spooky. ;)
[11:46] <Tm_T> aseigo: tell me about it, just imagine what I have to stand living here
[11:48] <ganymed> hello
[11:48] <Tm_T> but, have to admit, I have been in worse places
[11:49] <ganymed> can it be that kde is quite slow concerning performance or is it just my pc?
[11:49] <Tm_T> well, it depends
[11:49] <Tm_T> KDE is so configurable that you can do a BIG difference
[11:50] <corona> hey there! can someone help me with customizing bash prompt colours? I want to change my directory colour from a deep blue to black. possible>?
[11:53] <raphink> corona: there are far enough tutorials on the web : http://www.google.fr/search?q=bash+prompt+customizing&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[11:54] <corona> i was looking but am finding it hard to change the colour of directories that get listed using "ls"...i shall look around
[11:55] <ganymed> i dont mean that much kde itself... rather starting programs, for example. and the visual stuff shouldn't be a problem with an x700...
[11:56] <dipnlik> Tm_T: what do you think that can make big differences? I quit KDE on my P3 550, 128 MB RAM
[11:57] <ganymed> as far as i know linux utilizes most of the memory... but why does it need so long to start a program that should still be in memory...
[11:59] <ganymed> is there anything to improve performance from the very low level...
[12:00] <ganymed> except compiling the kernel
[12:01] <Flixor> was wondering if the seveas server is out
[12:01] <Flixor> cause i get the error connection refused
[12:01] <Tm_T> dipnlik: kpersonalizer is quick and dirty tool to do the difference
[12:02] <Tm_T> dipnlik: and I use KDE in p 200 64M ram
[12:02] <Tm_T> used
[12:02] <dipnlik> Tm_T: o.O
[12:02] <dipnlik> Tm_T: scary!
[12:03] <Flixor> well Tm_T and that must be very very very slow, cause i am running kde on a p3 600 mhz with 512 ram and this already feels a bit slow 
[12:03] <dipnlik> Tm_T: even xfce is kinda slow here. for now I agree with Flixor but I'll try kpersonalizer
[12:04] <Tm_T> hah
[12:04] <Tm_T> it was very usable
[12:04] <Flixor> lol, that depends on the suer
[12:04] <Flixor> user
[12:04] <dipnlik> Tm_T: can you suggest me alightweight theme?
[12:05] <Flixor> but on these specs i would use blackbox
[12:05] <Tm_T> dipnlik: well, whatever is simple
[12:05] <ganymed> this is what i mean... it FEELS slow...
[12:05] <Flixor> try blackbox dipnlik 
[12:05] <dipnlik> Tm_T: i mean, kde classic is so much better than plastik, for example?
[12:05] <dipnlik> Flixor: I know *boxes
[12:05] <ganymed> great. now i cannot start synaptic anymore
[12:06] <Tm_T> dipnlik: dunno
[12:06] <dipnlik> Flixor: in fact I use ratpoison which is wayyy better for me, but i'd like to see KDE running well here
[12:06] <Tm_T> dipnlik: test and try, you will see the difference if there's any
[12:06] <Flixor> yeah well, i guess you have to settle that it runs a bit slow on your hardware
[12:07] <ganymed> ok. i hate it. i really do.... am i doing sth. wrong (and i explicitly include this possibility) or is it just buggy?
[12:07] <ganymed> i click on synaptic or adept and it's starting and starting and nothing happens... normally this happens ones, then i click again and it works....
[12:07] <aftertaf> ganymed:  how much ram have you got
[12:08] <ganymed> 1gig
[12:08] <Flixor> like for example i used my girlfriends computer yesterday (a celeron 400 mhz with 256 ram) my first thought was is this computer upgraded, cause it felt faster and more responsive then my linux kde desktop 
[12:08] <aftertaf> and run 'top' to see if sth is hogging resources
[12:08] <ganymed> Flixor: this is what i mean.... thanks
[12:09] <aftertaf> can be bugs where a prog runs but hangs, and each time you run it again the same thing happens, you end up with 10 x the same app stalled and eating resources
[12:09] <ganymed> somebody must be joking. firefox uses 30 mb ram?!
[12:10] <ganymed> well i guess i'll restart <-- this is a shame. this is why i switched to linux
[12:10] <vonHalenbach> to all: Yeah ! I Have performance problems, too. Can this be the dcop server?
[12:11] <ganymed> i hope sb with more knowledge than me will fix this soon
[12:12] <ganymed> ok, i can start synaptic form konsole, but not from the menu... strange things are going on here
[12:12] <vonHalenbach> off topic to light your day: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/69de/action/211254d/
[12:13] <vonHalenbach> may the force  be with you.
[12:14] <ganymed> i added kdesu to my synaptic menu entry... but it used to work without it...
[12:22] <Kream> hi all 
[12:23] <Kream> how do I get azureus running on kubuntu?
[12:23] <Kream> it's not there in kynaptic
[12:23] <kairu0> i downloaded it from the azureus site
[12:23] <kairu0> the java version for any os that is
[12:24] <dipnlik> anyone here uses flickr? if so, do you use any uploadr?
[12:27] <ganymed> what is the recommendation for using kde and gnome... (hardware)?
[12:27] <kairu0> ganymed, i dont understand your question
[12:29] <Tm_T> hm
[12:29] <ganymed> well. the following. i use bluefish for html stuff on a quite fast notebook. the minimum frequency is 800 Mhz. when i write at this speed i have lack during writing (seriously!). when i go to full speed (1800  Mhz) it absolutly normal
[12:30] <ganymed> i am not hallucinating
[12:31] <ganymed> i cannot figure out what this problem is related to. it cannot be the cpu speed... neither the hdd (which is slow on notebook anyway).
[12:32] <kairu0> hmmmmm
[12:32] <kairu0> 800 mhz is the battery-mode?
[12:34] <Kream> well how do i get java running on kubuntu so that I can run azureus on it ?
[12:36] <kairu0> install j2re and then do a "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[12:38] <Kream> kairu0:  thanks
[12:38] <Kream> kairu0:  j2re doesn't show up in adept or kynaptic
[12:38] <Kream> do I have to add a particular repository ?
[12:38] <kairu0> Kream, i think its multiverse
[12:39] <ganymed> kairu0: i guess so... power saving blabla
[12:39] <Kream> kairu0:  can you paste the line that adds breezy multiverse ? 
[12:39] <Kream> i think i have universe but not multiverse
[12:39] <kairu0> Kream, try these repos: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75272&highlight=j2re
[12:39] <ganymed> also window changing is slower in 800MHz. now i am at full speed, everthing normal, but loud like hell!
[12:41] <Kream> thanks, kairu0 :)
[12:47] <_stephen> hello all
[12:48] <ganymed> does anybody have similar issues with a notebook? it cannot be that kde is slow like hell at 800 MHz. Or is there anything else, that is slowed down in lower performance modes?
[01:02] <JoeBu> anyone home?
[01:02] <dipnlik> JoeBu: i'm at work :P
[01:02] <JoeBu> right on..im at work on this borked up apache2 install
[01:02] <JoeBu> lol
[01:03] <JoeBu> i uninstalled apache cuz i borked up drupal too, now apache wont reload...tried mpm and prefork and still not workin
[01:03] <JoeBu> what version is installed default?
[01:03] <dipnlik> JoeBu: can't help ya, I don't use it
[01:04] <JoeBu> doesnt it come preinstalled on breezy?
[01:11] <holetzke> hello
[01:12] <holetzke> i have xorg ttf problems
[01:13] <holetzke> i have tahoma as standart font and any sings are not clean! for example the numer 8 has problems
[01:14] <holetzke> can you help me
[01:14] <dipnlik> holetzke: i have font problems here too, everything looks "blurry" or "dirty"
[01:15] <holetzke> yes
[01:15] <holetzke> i have find in the wiki many solutions but no solution is 100%
[01:16] <dipnlik> holetzke: can you give me some links?
[01:16] <holetzke> the font is good but only any sings are dirty
[01:16] <holetzke> moment
[01:17] <holetzke> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/windowmanager:gnome:schriftbild_verbessern
[01:17] <holetzke> this is german sorry
[01:23] <dipnlik> holetzke: thanks anyway
[01:24] <ganymed> ciao+
[01:31] <GuerillaTactiks> Hello, I have a problem with KDE and X ... My monitor has problems displaying 1024*768 @ 87Hz, but its fine at 85Hz. The problem is in the display panel there is an option for 87Hz.. and I want to remove it, the reason is that a game I'm playing, in which I wan to set my res. to 1024*768 but what it does is it automatically makes the refresh to 87Hz as that is the max in the panel in KDE... which makes my screen
[01:31] <GuerillaTactiks>  flicker. If that 87Hz was removed my game would change to 1024*768 but at 85Hz instead.
[01:48] <dipnlik> how can I use Xmodmap on kubuntu? can I just add commands to ~/.Xmodmap ?
[02:24] <dipnlik> I want to use alt f2 to open a file. Is it possible to have tab completion there? Or is there any other option for that?
[02:48] <glitch> dipnlik: try katapult
[02:48] <glitch> it's a great little launcher for kde with autocomplete
[02:52] <dipnlik> glitch: ok, thanks
[02:52] <glitch> dipnlik: once you launch it, hit alt-space to bring up the interface
[02:52] <kkathman> alt-f2 works almost as well and katapult, is standard, and doesnt run as a service, but doesnt have autocomplete.
[02:52] <glitch> and then just start typing what you wan tto run
[02:53] <mornfall> janushead: what?
[02:55] <apokryphos> katapult does have autocomplete
[02:57] <kkathman> katapult has autocomplete, alt-F2 does not.  But katapult operates as an additional service also, so if you have limited memory you might not want to run it :)
[02:58] <dipnlik> kkathman: doesn't look like katapult is slowing down my system, so I'll stick to it :)
[02:58] <carsten> tach
[02:59] <carsten> Anyone time to try to reproduce http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19798   ? Takes only one minute
[03:00] <kkathman> dipnlik: it didnt slow down mine either, per se, but I just didnt want the additional service
[03:01] <_l3m> how can i get openoffice to use cups? 
[03:01] <_l3m> i can't select any cups printer
[03:02] <carsten> _l3m: I can here, didn#t configure anything
[03:02] <_l3m> hmm
[03:05] <tvo> carsten: here oo.o2 writer is stale during the time konqueror is open
[03:06] <carsten> tvo: but you close konq and oo2 is fine again?
[03:06] <carsten> on breezy?
[03:07] <tvo> carsten: yes
[03:07] <tvo> yes
[03:07] <carsten> mmh, I can reproduce one 2 machines
[03:07] <tvo> breezy / KDE 3.5 RC 1
[03:07] <tvo> if you're running 3.4.3 (default) that might be the difference
[03:07] <carsten> this is 3.4... I have no "unofficial" packages whatsoever
[03:08] <tvo> ok, so there's a difference between both
[03:12] <_l3m> carsten: d'oh. i should have restarted openoffice after starting cups while oo was running already ;)
[03:12] <carsten> yeah, indeed :)
[03:16] <carsten> tvo: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19798#c5
[03:16] <carsten> :)
[03:16] <apokryphos> wow, amd64 packs for 3.5rc1. Nice to see :D
[03:17] <penguinzdr> when KDE will release 3.5?
[03:18] <carsten> I wonder when amd64 will finally really be supported... There are still to many miscompilations everwhere, bugs in gcc, unoptimized kernel and so on :(
[03:18] <apokryphos> penguinzdr: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html
[03:19] <apokryphos> carsten: everything's been pretty smooth for me so far
[03:19] <carsten> I encountered about 10 gcc bugs so far :)
[03:19] <apokryphos> just little extras like extra kde packs didn't get much attention since dear Jonathan had an i386 himself
[03:19] <carsten> well, all fixed in 4.0.2, but still
[03:19] <aftertaf> dapper :)
[03:20] <penguinzdr> 23rd november! i cant wait until it../
[03:20] <penguinzdr> and how can i upgrade when 3.5 is released?
[03:22] <carsten> penguinzdr: 3.5rc1 is already pretty stable
[03:22] <penguinzdr> i think i will wait until the final release. and so, how can i upgrade?
[03:23] <carsten> you have to add the correct repo to /etc/apt/sources.list 
[03:23] <carsten> then apt-get update && apt-get upgraded
[03:23] <penguinzdr> and it is?
[03:23] <carsten> penguinzdr: it will be announced on kubuntu.org
[03:23] <penguinzdr> ok
[03:23] <apokryphos> make sure you have kubuntu-desktop then update your sources and run a dist-upgrade
[03:24] <_l3m> anyone else having problems with kopete-icq in 3.5rc?
[03:24] <_l3m> it always tells me my pw is wrong, even though i can sign in with it on my amc
[03:24] <_l3m> mac
[03:42] <penguinzdr> !xincludes
[03:42] <ubotu> somebody said xincludes was for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[03:44] <penguinzdr> aaargh why adept is so slow
[03:44] <kkathman> Doesnt seem to be slow on my system at all :)
[03:44] <mornfall> adept is so slow because i thought anything else would be premature optimisation ;-)
[03:45] <mornfall> it will eventually get faster
[03:46] <penguinzdr> nothing bad will happen if i install the xincludes, right?
[03:46] <kkathman> penguinzdr: nope...just did that yesterday in fact to do a compile
[03:46] <kkathman> penguinzdr: you can /msg ubotu xincludes  also
[03:47] <penguinzdr> i'm doing this to compile a kde theme
[03:47] <kkathman> penguinzdr: Im sure you have installed the kde-devel then also
[03:47] <penguinzdr> ok, i will see  is it installed
[03:51] <Stele> a DHCP question: my DHCP server is running on another linux box - how can I get the client to add the local machine's hostname into the server's table, so I can reference to machine elsewhere by name?
[03:51] <dipnlik> gtis it possible to configure katapult? I want to speed it up, like turning off the fading effects
[03:51] <Stele> server's DNS table that is
[04:09] <Stele> im having trouble installing the latest nv drivers
[04:09] <Stele> does someone have a recipe that works?
[04:09] <Stele> i have apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:09] <beefsprocket> what trouble exactly?
[04:09] <Stele> which seemed to work
[04:10] <Stele> but switching to "nvidia" in xorg.conf doesnt work
[04:10] <Stele> it claims the kernel module wont load
[04:10] <Stele> do i need to do something special for a SMP kernel?
[04:10] <beefsprocket> did you reboot?
[04:10] <Stele> yeah
[04:10] <Stele> several times
[04:10] <bl3ssing> how can I become a root directly when I am logging into the Kubuntu SO? I don't want to enter the pass of the root for 1000000 times. I just want to be a root when I'm logging into the SO. 
[04:11] <Stele> you could assign a root password
[04:11] <bl3ssing> I have a root password
[04:11] <Stele> but if you sudo your first command, root will stay in effect for awhile
[04:11] <Stele> so you dont need to keep doing it
[04:11] <beefsprocket> Stele: why not download the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[04:11] <Stele> beef - i did, and tried compiling it, but i couldnt get my X server to quit reliably
[04:11] <Stele> and then it was complaining about gcc 4 being installed
[04:11] <Stele> big rats-nest!
[04:11] <bl3ssing> can I log into the system as a ROOT, not as a simple user?
[04:11] <Stele> bl3ssing why do you want to do that?
[04:12] <Stele> log in as a normal user, and use "sudo"
[04:12] <Stele> then you can enter YOUR password, only once
[04:12] <bl3ssing> because I want to install a lots of software into my computer ... and all the time ... I need to reenter the root password
[04:12] <bl3ssing> I'm so fade up with this ...
[04:12] <Stele> no you dont
[04:12] <Stele> use sudo on the first command - enter your password
[04:12] <bl3ssing> I just want to be loged as a root 
[04:12] <Stele> future commands wont require a password
[04:12] <booner> just "sudo bash"
[04:12] <bl3ssing> no, you missunderstoot my point ...
[04:12] <Stele> or do that
[04:12] <bl3ssing> I know this sudo command
[04:13] <Stele> when you use sudo you ARE root, sort of
[04:13] <booner> or set your root password
[04:13] <bl3ssing> but I don't want to use any konsole to install my softwares
[04:13] <Stele> you dont need to BE root
[04:13] <bl3ssing> by example
[04:13] <Stele> er...
[04:13] <Stele> in the desktop?
[04:13] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: have you thought about adept or synaptic?
[04:13] <Stele> yeah use a package manager - you enter pw once
[04:14] <beefsprocket> Stele: you should get rid off all nvidia stuff, kubuntu and downloaded, reboot and begin afresh
[04:14] <nalioth> booner: actually "sudo bash" is better achieved by "sudo -i"
[04:14] <beefsprocket> Stele: I've had the same thing, I opted for the nvidia installer, you you have to remove linux-restriceted modules, nvidia-glx etc
[04:14] <booner> nalioth: sure i guess that would work too
[04:14] <beefsprocket> Stele: just use apt-cache search nvidia
[04:15] <bl3ssing> I want to get into the ... Adept Updater ... and it is asking me about : "you need to run this application as root to make any use of it". How can I be a root without any entering my password from the konsole, but to confirm that I'm a root?
[04:15] <booner> does anyone know how to get thunderbird to actually open URLs in a browser?
[04:16] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: just enter your password, it is using kdesu which is a graphical sudo of sorts
[04:16] <booner> bl3ssing: doesn't it ask you for your root pw?
[04:17] <beefsprocket> booner: you have to edit a file in your .firefox directory
[04:17] <Stele> so i need to remove nvidia-glx?
[04:17] <beefsprocket> hang on, I'l check mine
[04:17] <mornfall> bl3ssing: if you are running from konsole, it's "kdesu adept-updater"
[04:17] <bl3ssing> I'm not using any konsole
[04:17] <bl3ssing> I am using the wysiwyget way ... this is the best.
[04:18] <booner> beefsprocket: in .firefox?
[04:18] <booner> or in .mozilla-thunderbird?
[04:18] <beefsprocket> sorry, for mailto: in .mozilla/firefox/~profile
[04:18] <bl3ssing> and I hate that I can't get inside of the sistem directly from the logging ino the Kubuntu. Is there any possibility of doing this: to log in as a root whenever I want, just like I'm logging as bl3ssing and with my pass...
[04:18] <bl3ssing> ?
[04:19] <beefsprocket> in thunderbird, .mozilla-thunderbird/~profile
[04:19] <nalioth> bl3ssing: that is a really bad idea
[04:19] <booner> beefsprocket: ok so ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/b3pzu80v.default right?
[04:20] <booner> and which file do i need to edit?
[04:20] <beefsprocket> booner: here, this is it
[04:20] <beefsprocket> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22333
[04:21] <bl3ssing> why nalioth?
[04:21] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: you can b0rk your system pretty easily
[04:22] <carsten>  /j #de.wikipedia
[04:22] <booner> beefsprocket: yay! thanks
[04:23] <booner> now why wouldn't they have the working by default?
[04:24] <booner> beefsprocket: i don't suppose you know of a way to make it open in a tab if a window exists?
[04:25] <bl3ssing> anyway, I want to install my programs without entering my passwords for 100000 times. how can I do it? how can I be a root directly when I'm logging into the SO?
[04:27] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about root
[04:28] <nalioth> bl3ssing: dont come crying when you turn your box into a doorstop
[04:28] <bl3ssing> have you ever seen any tears on my face? ;))
[04:28] <bl3ssing> I don't use to cry ...
[04:29] <Stele> all i can say is you have some pretty messed up environment if you need to enter a pw 100000 times
[04:29] <beefsprocket> booner: I don't. never thought of that
[04:29] <beefsprocket> hmm
[04:30] <booner> beefsprocket: ah well. i least i can open the damn URLs now without copy-pasting them
[04:31] <beefsprocket> booner: indeed, that one change made it ok to boot into linux, never looked back
[04:31] <beefsprocket> but man was it frustrating before
[04:31] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: sudo passwd root
[04:31] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: someone told you yesterday to read everything
[04:31] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: let me reiterate, READ EVERYTHING
[04:32] <kkathman> there is really no need for root in ubuntu at all
[04:32] <beefsprocket> if you forget a program's options etc. check the man page. make sure you have a backup
[04:33] <kkathman> more damage in systems are caused by root than anything else I think :)
[04:33] <beefsprocket> its a good way to learn though -- breakng things
[04:33] <kkathman> beefsprocket:  hehe correct
[04:33] <booner> root is handy when you break sudo..
[04:34] <beefsprocket> right
[04:34] <kkathman> and you fix it in safe mode too
[04:34] <nalioth> if you bork up as root, there may be no safe mode
[04:34] <kkathman> and sudo doesnt "get broken" on its own
[04:34] <kkathman> nalioth: very true
[04:35] <booner> all root all the time ;-)
[04:35] <booner> j/k
[04:35] <bl3ssing> READ EVERYTYHING: a lot os nothing things right over there ... 
[04:35] <bl3ssing> I hate that people are writting things ... unnecessary things ... a lot of them ...
[04:35] <Stele> was that english?
[04:35] <bl3ssing> lol Stele ...
[04:35] <Stele> im waiting for...
[04:35] <booner> kkathman: no perhaps not.. but it can when you are changing your hostname manually
 ok here goes Im entering root.... #*$7er##$&#$ NO CARRIER
[04:36] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:36] <bl3ssing> heheheheh
[04:36] <Stele> LOL
[04:37] <Stele> never thought about that
[04:37] <Stele> the NO CARRIER reference kinda dates me :)
[04:37] <Stele> ok i cant get this damned X server to shut off so I can run the nv installer
[04:37] <Stele> I'm hitting Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and the desktop just starts back up again
[04:37] <booner> Stele: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:37] <Stele> THANK YOU!!
[04:37] <booner> (as sudo of course ;-)
[04:38] <Stele> aw shit I did it as roo.#&$^#*@#@IW(*W NO CARRIER
[04:38] <booner> lol
[04:38] <Stele> ok NOW i need to make gcc 3.4 my active compiler
[04:38] <Stele> so the nv installer will be happy
[04:38] <beefsprocket> just waiting for: Stele has quit ("b0rked!)
[04:39] <beefsprocket> o_0
[04:39] <booner> Stele: CC=gcc-3.4 sudo  sh nvidia....
[04:39] <Stele> woohoo!
[04:39] <Stele> sweet! works!
[04:40] <booner> mai oui!
[04:40] <icewt> i wonder what could cause new programs not being added to the kde menu
[04:40] <beefsprocket> now let me guess, Stele, you wants composite and all the jazz next right>
[04:40] <beefsprocket> ?
[04:41] <kkathman> icewt: not all installs put entries in the kde menu..but you can use the menu editor to put them there
[04:41] <Stele> er...?
[04:41] <Stele> i do want to restart kde if thats what you mean :)
[04:41] <booner> Stele: /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:41] <Stele> what is "composite"?
[04:41] <booner> Stele: and don't forget to edit your xorg.conf first
[04:41] <Stele> i did
[04:42] <l3m> Stele: it's a technique which allows dropshadows and apple osx-like effects and transparency and stuff
[04:42] <kkathman> lol
[04:42] <l3m> Stele: but it's incredibly slow in X atm
[04:42] <Stele> no thanks
[04:42] <Stele> i dont need no eye candy
[04:42] <Stele> new driver seems to be working
[04:42] <Stele> but, i see I can't seem to pick 1920x1200
[04:42] <beefsprocket> try an opengl game
[04:42] <Stele> not in the display res menu - but i added it to xorg.cong
[04:42] <Stele> conf
[04:43] <Stele> i tried an ogl screen saver
[04:43] <booner> does your monitor actually support that?
[04:43] <Stele> yeah
[04:43] <Stele> not sure if Im getting accelerated ogl
[04:43] <Stele> do i need to reboot?
[04:43] <Stele> or should restarting kdm be enough?
[04:43] <booner> and you've specified the correct refresh rates in xorg.conf for your monitor
[04:43] <beefsprocket> if the opengl screensaver worked then you are good
[04:43] <booner> Stele: glxinfo
[04:43] <Stele> the flag one is VERY slow
[04:44] <Stele> oh yeah glxinfo looks good
[04:44] <Stele> all the extensions are there
[04:44] <booner> look for the direct rendering line, and also the "renderer" line
[04:45] <Stele> looks like OGL version 76.76, which is right
[04:45] <beefsprocket> try making 1920x1200 the default in your display section
[04:45] <Stele> there is a 7800GT in here
[04:45] <bl3ssing> what a bad thing ... not to be able to run the adept program
[04:45] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:45] <bl3ssing> only as a simple user, but not as a root.
[04:45] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:46] <Stele> but you only need to enter the password ONCE to make it "root"
[04:46] <Stele> jeez
[04:46] <Stele> beef - 1920x1200 isnt showing up in the list of supported formats
[04:46] <beefsprocket> bl3ssing: if you needed to do it that badly as root, you'd know how to do it as root
[04:46] <booner> Stele: i'm afraid there is a problem..
[04:47] <booner> Stele: i'm going to need you to send me that video card
[04:47] <Stele> heh
[04:47] <booner> ;-)
[04:47] <Stele> i think you want the monitor more
[04:47] <Stele> its a dell 2405FPW
[04:47] <Stele> a freaking awesome
[04:47] <beefsprocket> was just going to say judging by that res
[04:47] <bl3ssing> I'll get some rest now ... since I'm very tired. maybe later I'll try again ... a blessed day for everyone.
[04:47] <booner> nah.. i care more about video cards for my work
[04:47] <Stele> me too actually
[04:48] <Stele> i have a Quadro FX 3600 in my PC
[04:48] <Stele> i think im going to swap them - the 7800 might be faster for games
[04:48] <booner> of course sweet monitors aren't bad either.. so why don't you just send me both ;-)
[04:49] <Stele> ok is there another way to get it to show me 1920x1200?
[04:49] <icewt> kkathman: i know, but i also know that the applications that i have installed should have been added to the kde menu. also no - i can't add them there manually. when i edit the menu in kmenueditor everything seems to go just fine, saving seems to happen, but the menu doesn't change
[04:50] <beefsprocket> so the refresh rate is in your monitor section in xorg.conf right?
[04:50] <Stele> there is NOTHING about rates in xorg.conf
[04:50] <Stele> hold on
[04:50] <Stele> i might have a typo
[04:50] <beefsprocket> ok, you need the specs for that monitor to get the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates
[04:51] <kkathman> icewt: hmm...well if they arent updating the K-menu, and you know they should, it might be a bug.. But I've added things to my K-menu with no problems.
[04:51] <icewt> kkathman: so have i. it used to work, but it doesn't work anymore
[04:51] <Stele> i had 1900x1200 in the file
[04:51] <Stele> not 1920x1200
[04:51] <Stele> whoops
[04:51] <Stele> <sheepish grin>
[04:52] <Stele> THAT was it :)
[04:52] <beefsprocket> right
[04:52] <Stele> mmm, tasty
[04:52] <Stele> well, since you guys have been so helpful... :)
[04:52] <beefsprocket> which, quake 4 at 500fps?
[04:52] <nalioth> !xcfg
[04:52] <ubotu> xcfg is probably to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:53] <Stele> no, just the desktop running in full accelerated gloryu
[04:53] <Stele> this machine is in DHCP
[04:53] <beefsprocket> there's always that
[04:53] <Stele> how can I have it talk to my DNS server so I can talk to it from my PC by name?
[04:53] <Stele> in other words, i want to avoid using the dynamic IP to ssh into it
[04:54] <kkathman> icewt: I just tried again, and was able to successfully add an app to my kmenu. You may need to do that Adept update to fix those admin things, if you have not already done so.
[04:57] <icewt> kkathman: i have updated everything i can, and i prefer apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[04:58] <kkathman> icewt: thats fine, Im just saying that there was an admin fix a bit back, that fixed alot of these system update things
[05:00] <icewt> kkathman: yeah, entering admin mode works fine now, but at some point this thing got broken :/
[05:00] <kkathman> hmm
[05:01] <icewt> i've seen someone complaining about the same problem here, but i don't think he got a solution to it either
[05:04] <DjDarkman> hy ,i have an apache2 server running on my pc but i want php5 to run two ,how can i do that?
[05:05] <beefsprocket> apt-get install php5
[05:06] <beefsprocket> can anyone point me to a good howto for forwarding an xsession over ssh?
[05:06] <DjDarkman> and how do i activate it?
[05:08] <beefsprocket> try creating a file called phpinfo.php in your /var/www directory (if you haven't changed it fromthe default)
[05:09] <beefsprocket> put <? phpinfo(); ?> into the file and then browse to it
[05:09] <beefsprocket> as in, http://localhost/phpinfo.php
[05:10] <DjDarkman> k t10x
[05:11] <kkathman> DjDarkman: I used xampp and php5 works great as well as php4
[05:12] <Stele> any ssh gurus here?
[05:12] <booner> beefsprocket: ssh -X ?
[05:12] <Stele> i've copied by authorized_hosts and such files over to the new machine
[05:13] <Stele> but i cant ssh into it without entering my password
[05:13] <booner> or add the ForwardX11 to your ssh config file
[05:13] <beefsprocket> I added the forward bit, do I just append the -X when logging in?
[05:13] <booner> beefsprocket: if you have the forwarded bit in your config file, it should "just happen"
[05:14] <robotgeek> beefsprocket: the -X is for X11 forwarding
[05:14] <booner> Stele: i think authorized_keys2 is what you are looking for, not authored_hosts
[05:14] <DjDarkman> You don't have permission to access /phpinfo.php on this server. ,what does this mean?
[05:14] <beefsprocket> I figured as much, all I get is a new cmd line in the same terminal
[05:15] <snoogert> hi, i'm unable to download source by synaptic (i've already added the deb-src in sources.list), how can i do?
[05:15] <beefsprocket> DjDarkman: trying to create the file or browse it?
[05:15] <DjDarkman> to browse it
[05:15] <rikva> !skype
[05:15] <ubotu> hmm... skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:15] <Stele> im using protocol 1 from my client machine
[05:15] <robotgeek> snoogert: apt-get source <package>
[05:15] <Stele> im guessing i need to do something different to enable v1 on the new machine
[05:15] <booner> Stele: should use dsa
[05:15] <beefsprocket> DjDarkman: that's strange, can anyone shed any light on the problem?
[05:16] <Stele> yeah i know
[05:16] <Stele> but i hate messing with this stuff
[05:16] <booner> Stele: ssh-keygen -t dsa
[05:16] <Stele> and my current setup works
[05:16] <snoogert> robotgeek: ok, thanks...
[05:17] <booner> Stele: then copy the line from your .ssh/id_dsa.pub to your .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the remote host
[05:17] <StR> hi there... anyone with problems connecting to MSN?  I tried with kopete, amsn, gaim.. but nothing
[05:17] <beefsprocket> booner: no go after /etc/init.d/ssh force-reload and editing the config file
[05:18] <Stele> yay works!
[05:18] <Stele> thanks booner
[05:18] <booner> beefsprocket: do you control both machines?
[05:19] <beefsprocket> indeed
[05:19] <booner> beefsprocket: its possible the remote machine has it disabled globally or something
[05:19] <kkathman> StR: nope
[05:19] <booner> Stele: np
[05:19] <beefsprocket> i edited the main ssh_config file
[05:19] <booner> beefsprocket: and if you use -X does it make a difference?
[05:20] <beefsprocket> as well as the sshd_config file
[05:20] <beefsprocket> yeah tried it
[05:20] <booner> does the xforwarding work just sshing to your local machine?
[05:21] <beefsprocket> wait, do I need x running first?
[05:21] <booner> lol probably
[05:21] <booner> for me "ssh -X localhost" forwards X, but "ssh -x localhost" doesn't (as expected)
[05:22] <beefsprocket> nope, no go
[05:22] <snoogert> and another thing, i've make my repository, but when i downloaad a deb package, i've got this error message "NOT AUTHENTICATED", how can i do for fix it?
[05:22] <booner> you are running ssh from an xterm or something  right?
[05:22] <beefsprocket> strange though, echo $DISPLAY shows localhost:11.0
[05:22] <beefsprocket> yeah, konsole
[05:23] <robotgeek> snoogert: you need gpg stuff, wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:23] <booner> that looks like a forwarded X then
[05:23] <booner> beefsprocket: how are you testing it?
[05:24] <booner> just run a very simple X program like xeyes or glxinfo or something
[05:24] <beefsprocket> ssh -X -l user 0.0.0.0
[05:24] <beefsprocket> lets me login and everything
[05:24] <booner> what about "ssh -X localhost" (exactly like that)
[05:25] <snoogert> robotgeek: i read it now, thanks again...
[05:25] <beefsprocket> ok, hang on, got it -- forgot to remove the # in sshd_config
[05:25] <beefsprocket> damn comments
[05:25] <booner> heh
[05:28] <robotgeek> snoogert: kk
[05:32] <beefsprocket> so vncviewer is only about themost awesome thing ever!
[05:33] <Stele> yeah vnc is cool
[05:33] <snoogert> robotgeek: what's mean kk?
[05:33] <robotgeek> okay
[05:33] <Stele> if you can somehow explain to your parents how to open a port on their modem so you can use it to help them fix their damned computer!!
[05:33] <beefsprocket> you could always use metasploit and openit yourself ;)
[05:35] <snoogert> robotgeek: oh, ok :)
[05:41] <beefsprocket> "both fetchall and keep on in daemon mode is a mistake!" when running fetchmail
[05:41] <beefsprocket> what is the mistake and how do I fix it?
[05:42] <snoogert> robotgeek: sorry, but i'm unable to find nothing about gpg stuff here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources :-(
[05:44] <robotgeek> snoogert: hmm, not sure about that. sorry
[05:44] <snoogert> robotgeek: don't worry... thanks...
[05:45] <robotgeek> beefsprocket: get rid of both, and keep 'options keep'
[05:45] <beefsprocket> right, just found a post on the debian mailing list that said as much, thanks
[05:46] <beefsprocket> i needed fetchall as it was the first time running fetchmail, but had keep on as well
[05:46] <beefsprocket> works fine for manual polling, just not n daemon mode
[05:46] <beefsprocket> again, thanks
[05:47] <robotgeek> beefsprocket: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4712 here's mine if you need it
[05:49] <beefsprocket> looks almost identical to mine
[05:49] <robotgeek> beefsprocket: it will, if we followed the same guides :)
[05:50] <beefsprocket> ;)
[05:50] <beefsprocket> I'm using dovecot and exim4, any idea how to have nested imap folders?
[05:50] <beefsprocket> it looks like dovecot doesn't like them, but I'm sure it is possibl
[05:52] <robotgeek> ah, you got me there. i've no idea what you are talking about :)
[05:52] <beefsprocket> ah,no worries. I just hate having folders (in thunderbird, outlook etc.) without  a tree structure
[05:58] <Stele> is there a command to switch the gcc environment completely over to gcc-3.4?
[05:59] <Stele> so that makefiles that use g++ will get the right compiler?
[05:59] <booner> not a good one that in know of
[05:59] <booner> the best i know is to change the symlinks
[05:59] <Stele> argh
[06:00] <beefsprocket> what about uninstalling gcc4.0?
[06:01] <booner> Stele: i've got a script to do it if you want
[06:01] <Stele> nah it's ok
[06:01] <booner> distros really need to start making a gcc_select command like the macs have
[06:01] <Stele> yeah - thats what i was thinking of!
[06:01] <Stele> i have a Mac too
[06:02] <Stele> thought there was a nice command like that
[06:02] <Stele> oh well, I'll try gcc4 on my app
[06:02] <booner> Stele: i've wrote a gcc_select script if you want it
[06:02] <Stele> sure - can you email it to me?
[06:02] <Stele> i dont have DCC set up
[06:02] <booner> how about i nopaste it
[06:02] <Stele> oh, sure
[06:03] <beefsprocket> oh goody, url?
[06:03] <Stele> what is nopaste
[06:03] <nalioth> Stele: add a line to your ~/.bashrc                   "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4"        <enter> " export CC"
[06:04] <Stele> g++ looks at CC?
[06:04] <Stele> that sounds easy enough
[06:04] <booner> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434433
[06:04] <booner> Stele: ^^
[06:05] <Stele> thats cool
[06:05] <Stele> but if "g++" uses the "CC" env var, thats better
[06:05] <Stele> since I'd like to try the intel icc compiler too
[06:05] <booner> i think g++ might use another one
[06:06] <Stele> according to nalioth, it must
[06:06] <robin_> test
[06:06] <booner> it might be CPP
[06:06] <booner> or something
[06:07] <nalioth> try it this way and see. iirc, all of it follows the CC variable
[06:08] <booner> possibly.. i haven't tested it myself.. i'm only using gcc at the moment
[06:09] <beefsprocket> later all
[06:16] <sanitarium> hey
[06:17] <nalioth> sanitarium: ask your questions, someone will see them and answer
[06:21] <sanitarium> can some tell me how to install a program please?
[06:21] <sanitarium> i am a linux noob :(
[06:22] <sanitarium> I have downloaded firefox
[06:22] <sanitarium> and I click the exectualbe, and then nothing happens
[06:24] <l3m> sanitarium: you don't have to download firefox from a website to use it
[06:24] <l3m> sanitarium: use apt-get !
[06:24] <sanitarium> apt-get?
[06:24] <l3m> sanitarium: sudo apt-get install firefox 
[06:24] <sanitarium> kk
[06:24] <sanitarium> ty
[06:24] <l3m> ;)
[06:24] <sanitarium> BTW, what KDE version is kubuntu running?
[06:25] <l3m> 3.4, with 3.5rc1 available for brave people ;)
[06:25] <l3m> !kde35
[06:25] <ubotu> l3m: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:25] <l3m> !kde3.5
[06:25] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[06:25] <sanitarium> ty
[06:26] <sanitarium> can I type in sudo apt-get install *any program*?
[06:26] <Fillado> pretty much
[06:27] <sanitarium> haha, cool
[06:27] <sanitarium> thanks very much
[06:27] <sanitarium> :D
[06:28] <sanitarium> after installing firefox through that. where id the program located?
[06:28] <Fillado> usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[06:28] <sanitarium> got it :D
[06:29] <l3m> sanitarium: just type "alt-f2" then mozilla-firefox ;)
[06:29] <sanitarium>  sudo apt-get install wine doesn't work
[06:29] <sanitarium> :(
[06:29] <Fillado> you need to get the repository
[06:30] <l3m> !multiverse
[06:30] <ubotu> repositories is, like, totally, How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[06:30] <Fillado> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:31] <Fillado> once you've done that with everything you want, open up "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list", and paste it in
[06:32] <sanitarium> ty
[06:33] <sanitarium> BTW, what is that program for KDE-look called?
[06:33] <Fillado> ?
[06:34] <sanitarium> you know http://www.kde-look.org
[06:34] <sanitarium> ?
[06:34] <l3m> sanitarium: what program for kde? 
[06:34] <sanitarium> kde-look
[06:34] <l3m> sanitarium: there are 1000s of programs for kde 
[06:34] <sanitarium> it is a theme program
[06:34] <l3m> that's a website
[06:34] <sanitarium> yeah
[06:34] <l3m> ah
[06:34] <sanitarium> the program to install the themes though
[06:34] <l3m> sanitarium: systemsettings
[06:34] <sanitarium> yeah, but I tought you need that program?
[06:35] <l3m> sanitarium: you can install additional styles with apt-get 
[06:35] <sanitarium> ah :D
[06:38] <damnhil> how do i query the content of a package?
[06:42] <nalioth> damnhil: in a terminal, "apt-cache show $pkgname"
[06:43] <gideon> hi
[06:56] <sanitarium> apt-get inslast question, for now
[06:56] <sanitarium> *last question....for now
[06:57] <sanitarium> you know the server thing?
[06:57] <sanitarium> Do I use my IP address to access that?
[07:09] <michael> nabend
[07:26] <jjesse> wow re-instlalled kubuntu breezy last night and on an installation of two programs adept has processor pegged at 95% for over 10 minutes
[07:26] <jjesse> should i just wait for it to finish?
[07:27] <nalioth> jjesse: you may kill it
[07:27] <Ayiden> Could someone give me a copy of a "working" address for the ubuntu breezy multiverse repository... I have been looking everywhere.. the ones that came with kubuntu didnt work and none others I have tried work... Im not getting this.
[07:27] <jjesse> nalioth: i shouldn't wait for it to finish installing?
[07:28] <Ayiden> All the other repositories work fine though
[07:28] <Ayiden> !repositories
[07:28] <ubotu> repositories is, like, totally, How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[07:29] <Ayiden> !sources
[07:29] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:30] <nalioth> jjesse: i suspect it is hung, if you hae no network activity
[07:32] <robin_> Ayiden: multiverse with the kubuntu repositories works for me.
[07:38] <sanitarium> back
[07:38] <sanitarium> what whould i type to get wine?
[07:38] <jjesse> hmm anyone install citrix client on breezy kubuntu
[07:38] <sanitarium> you know, apt-get install wine?
[07:38] <jjesse> found the information in the forum but it is not working correctly
[07:39] <Ayiden> robin_: Thanks.. Im going to try another address I must of messed u the origional somehow then
[07:39] <Ayiden> up*
[07:39] <Ayiden> also is there a breezy-extras repository or only hoary?
[07:39] <jjesse> errror loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3  (where do i find this library)
[07:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sanitarium about wine
[07:41] <nalioth> Ayiden: not yet
[07:41] <_goldbrick_> KDE is pretty
[07:41] <sanitarium> ty
[07:41] <Ayiden> nalioth: alright thanks.. is it safe to use the hoary extra's in breezy or are some things to out of date?
[07:42] <nalioth> Ayiden: backports and extras have never been advised by those in the know
[07:44] <Ayiden> I only use them for a few packages and then I comment them out so I dont accidentally screw things up *(lol)
[07:44] <nalioth> Ayiden: very smart
[07:45] <Ayiden> as always things like that come from first learning the hard way...
[07:46] <Ayiden> way, now I listen and ask alot
[07:47] <Ayiden> yeah*
[07:47] <Ayiden> but it do do some good.. I figured out alot of ways to fix alot of things
[07:48] <Ayiden> did* wow, I really need to watch my typing
[07:48] <jjesse> whats the program to run again to make kapapult aware of recently installed programs?
[07:55] <l3m> is there a way to "autotag" a whole directory full of mp3's ? 
[07:56] <Spudchat> hi im using breezy and am trying to setup a vnc server
[07:56] <bayer> can you tell me _where_ in kubuntu i have to place the adobe driver files so the "export drivers" dialog can find them?
[07:57] <v-dogg> does linux/kde has a good "mp3 library" software like iTunes?
[07:57] <nalioth> l3m: using easytag?
[07:57] <l3m> thanks
[07:57] <nalioth> v-dogg: try juk
[07:57] <Spudchat> and i cant figure out which package i need...vino is installed but will that work?
[07:57] <l3m> v-dogg: amarok
[07:57] <l3m> v-dogg: amarok is great!
[07:59] <apokryphos> JuK has better tagging powers :P
[07:59] <gupta> Any way to shutdown from the konsole and save the session as well?
[07:59] <l3m> nalioth: i was hoping for a utility that uses musicbrainz or something like that, which works automagically
[07:59] <nalioth> l3m: search sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net
[07:59] <l3m> apokryphos: yes but amarok is the better music player imho ..
[08:00] <apokryphos> l3m: considering the user asked for a tagger ;-)
[08:00] <sanitarium> anyone know about the server that comes with kubuntu?
[08:00] <nalioth> l3m: look at libtunepimp
[08:00] <apokryphos> gupta: look around in dcop
[08:00] <gupta> k apokryphos
[08:01] <l3m> sanitarium: server? what kind of server do you mean?
[08:01] <l3m> k thanks
[08:02] <sanitarium> the server that comes with kubuntu, web server i think it is
[08:03] <l3m> !apache2
[08:03] <ubotu> l3m: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:03] <l3m> !apache
[08:03] <ubotu> [apache]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[08:03] <sanitarium> if you right clcik on the kicker, then go to add to panel, then go to applet, then public file server
[08:04] <l3m> sanitarium: ah, that's just a tiny applet
[08:04] <sanitarium> does it work?
[08:04] <l3m> sanitarium: to allow easy filesharing in a local net
[08:04] <l3m> sanitarium: sure
[08:04] <sanitarium> do you know how I access it?
[08:04] <sanitarium> (well, other people)
[08:05] <l3m> it's not p2p
[08:05] <l3m> it only allows other people to download files from the person who runs the server applet
[08:05] <l3m> if you want p2p, have a look at ktorrent
[08:05] <sanitarium> No, i want webserver
[08:05] <sanitarium> lol
[08:05] <l3m> !apache
[08:05] <ubotu> methinks apache is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[08:05] <l3m> apache is a good webserver
[08:05] <sanitarium> yeah
[08:06] <sanitarium> but hard to configure
[08:07] <ethanfel> re :)
[08:07] <ethanfel> marche bien l'hibernate^^
[08:08] <sanitarium> whats the name of a good video player?
[08:09] <l3m> mplayer
[08:09] <l3m> kmplayer
[08:09] <Tm_T> kmplayer is good
[08:09] <Tm_T> in svn ;)
[08:11] <kkathman> sanitarium: totem is pretty good with xine
[08:20] <Spudchat> allright i installed vncserver and viewer and am able to connect to the windows machine but the windows machine cant connect back to me
[08:20] <Spudchat> any ideas?
[08:23] <l3m> Spudchat: vncserver doesn't run on your linux box?
[08:23] <l3m> start it using the /etc/init.d/ startscript
[08:32] <Spudchat> it is running right now
[08:32] <Spudchat> but my moms windows machine isnt able to connect to it..it says host not found
[08:33] <hussam> Is it possible to hibernate a Kubuntu Desktop like in windows? 
[08:33] <hussam> that's a desktop and not a laptop
[08:34] <kkathman> hi there hussam :)
[08:35] <hussam> hey kkathman. what's up/
[08:35] <hussam> ?
[08:36] <kkathman> hussam: this might help you:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-65069.html
[08:37] <hussam> ok thanks. I'll take a look at that
[08:37] <kkathman> hussam: you have to read down the thread a little
[08:39] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:39] <l3m> hi
[08:40] <hussam> kkathman: yeah, I'm reading the whole thing
[08:46] <tR0uBl3> hi all
[09:03] <Massacration> hi everyone
[09:04] <jpatrick> Massacration: hello
[09:04] <Massacration> does anybody knows how to optimize my kubuntu to use less memory? its using 90 % of my ram
[09:05] <Massacration> I have 384 mb ram
[09:06] <Massacration> hi jpatrick could u help me with this problem?
[09:06] <kkathman> Massacration: thats a bit low for KDE, but KDE tends to expand to use memory when its available
[09:06] <Massacration> anda how do I make it use less memory?
[09:06] <kkathman> Massacration: you can check ksysguard, and see some things that are taking memory and close those...especially email apps and browsers
[09:07] <kkathman> Massacration: for instance, I have 1GB of memory and KDE uses about 80% of it unless I run other things, then it shuttles memory in and out from swap
[09:07] <kkathman> so thats relatively normal
[09:08] <Massacration> So KDE is really a memory eater
[09:09] <Massacration> CAnt I disable something to make it use less memory
[09:09] <Massacration> ?
[09:10] <Knowerrors> change color range to 16 bit from 24
[09:10] <kkathman> Massacration: you could...thats why I suggested looking at ksysguard, and its running processes
[09:10] <Knowerrors> turn off all animations and effects
[09:10] <Knowerrors> turn off drop shadows and transparencies
[09:11] <kkathman> actually that doesnt really help memory,  but does affect performance
[09:11] <Massacration> Ie already looked at ksysguard but its only running the kde processs
[09:11] <kkathman> the only one?
[09:11] <_francesco>  possibile aggiornare ubuntu dalla versione 5.04
[09:11] <kkathman> that cant be right
[09:11] <_francesco> alla versione 5.10
[09:11] <Massacration> no
[09:11] <_francesco> ??
[09:11] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[09:11] <Massacration> a lot of them
[09:12] <Massacration> kded
[09:12] <Knowerrors> web desktop... doesn't that use alot of memory?
[09:12] <Massacration> kedeinit
[09:12] <kkathman> Massacration:  just sort the list and see the things that take alot of memory... some you can kill others you cant of course :)
[09:12] <Massacration> kdesktop
[09:12] <Massacration> kdesu
[09:12] <Massacration> kdm
[09:13] <Massacration> kicker
[09:13] <Massacration> kio_file
[09:13] <kkathman> those are all mandatory
[09:13] <Massacration> kio_uiserver
[09:13] <kkathman> yah
[09:13] <Massacration> can I kill any of those?
[09:14] <Massacration> ksmserver
[09:14] <murray> urm, my task bar appears to be broken
[09:14] <kkathman> Massacration: click the top column titled Vm Size
[09:14] <kkathman> that will order
[09:14] <murray> when I start an application (konsole, firefox, thunderbird, etc)
[09:14] <murray> it fails to show up in the task bar at all
[09:14] <Massacration> ok it has ordered
[09:14] <murray> I've tried adjusting the settings (right click.. on taskbar)
[09:15] <picca> i am currently using opensuse, but must admit i like what i read about kubuntu.  one of things i don't like about suse is that there is duplication of software applications, e.g. two setup tools (yast/kde control).  Does kubunutu remove such duplication
[09:15] <murray> and change the options about groups apps, and showing icons from all desktops
[09:15] <murray> but nada
[09:15] <murray> any idea?
[09:15] <kkathman> oops
[09:16] <Knowerrors> murray: do you have "show only minimized windows" checked?
[09:16] <murray> Knowerrors> nope
[09:16] <murray> tried that
[09:17] <murray> I've also rebooted and /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:17] <murray> problem persists
[09:18] <murray> I can scroll through open apps using Alt-Tab fine
[09:20] <Knowerrors> murray: try right click on panel, panel menu, add to panel, applet, taskbar
[09:21] <murray> ahh, bingo.  thank you
[09:21] <murray> I wonder why it went away
[09:22] <Knowerrors> no prob, its too easy to remove stuff from the K panel quickly without confirmation
[09:22] <Knowerrors> you probably were right clicking on it to do something else
[09:23] <Knowerrors> btw, a much better taskbar that is fast and good performance is kasbar, very nice and has live thumbnail previews of your windows
[09:24] <murray> okay, any idea how I switch from whatever the kde default is to kasbar?
[09:25] <murray> and while I'm here, has anyone come across the kde equivalent of that thing on osX that lets you see all your desktops on one screen
[09:25] <kkathman> murray: http://xmelegance.org/kasbar/
[09:25] <murray> with all the windows from each desktop kinda shrunk down
[09:27] <kkathman> murray: I know that exists, but dont know the name of the package
[09:27] <Kibou> kompose
[09:27] <murray> oh, this is just too much fun
[09:28] <Knowerrors> murray: you can download kasbar from atp-get
[09:28] <kkathman> yah thats it
[09:28] <kkathman> thanx Kibou :)
[09:28] <Knowerrors> or aptitude, or synaptic
[09:28] <murray> kubuntu is just so mind boggingly fantastic
[09:28] <Kibou> :)
[09:29] <murray> and thank you for your help :)
[09:29] <Knowerrors> actually no you cant get it from repos, I forgot how I got it
[09:29] <Riddell> ** flight-1 testers please http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051118.2/
[09:30] <Knowerrors> murray: if you want more cool stuff for kde, go to kde-look.org
[09:30] <Knowerrors> and browse around kde improvements
[09:30] <murray> okay, ta
[09:30] <crimsun> Riddell: will take about 40 mins to download, but I'm on it
[09:30] <Riddell> crimsun: wonderful
[09:30] <murray> btw: seeing as you are ticking off things so quickly...
[09:30] <murray> ...and good widescreen wallpapers?
[09:30] <murray>  :)
[09:30] <Knowerrors> you can find kasbar there, as well as kooldock and smoothdock
[09:31] <Riddell> crimsun: what arch?
[09:31] <crimsun> i386
[09:31] <Knowerrors> xinerama I think is what you want, haven't used it myself though murray 
[09:31] <Riddell> cool
[09:32] <murray> hmm: kompose: ERROR: Communication problem with kompose, it probably crashed
[09:32] <Knowerrors> what gave you that error?
[09:32] <murray> I ran kompose from the command line as root
[09:33] <murray> now, rerunning as either root or regular user returns that error
[09:33] <murray> it crashed when I first ran it as root
[09:33] <Knowerrors> go to K menu > utilities
[09:33] <Knowerrors> thats where I have a Kompose icon to launch it myself
[09:33] <murray> doh, ta
[09:34] <hussam> this is in the xorg log: Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[09:34] <Knowerrors> check out Kxdocker too.. that one you can download from ubuntu repositories
[09:34] <hussam> what does it mean?
[09:35] <hussam> what could that error mean?
[09:35] <Knowerrors> something to do with power management
[09:36] <hussam> should I ignore it?
[09:37] <Knowerrors> don't know, if everything seems to be loaded and running fine, yeah
[09:37] <Knowerrors> did you change anything with the kernel or install/remove anything recently?
[09:38] <hussam> yeah. evrything is working fine. No, I didn't change anything since I upgraded to breezy
[09:40] <Knowerrors> murray: I believe Kasbar already comes with Kubuntu as part of KDE
[09:40] <murray> yup, got kasbar
[09:40] <murray> kompose rocks too
[09:40] <Knowerrors> just go to panel menu, add to panel, panel
[09:40] <murray> fun fun fun
[09:42] <Knowerrors> I unchecked show clock and show load boxes for Kasbar, kind of redundant if you have kicker
[09:46] <babechoufabrice> salut
[09:47] <babechoufabrice> c quoi ce program lol mdr
[09:47] <jpatrick> babechoufabrice: #kubuntu-fr
[09:47] <babechoufabrice> oui
[09:48] <arthurb> Hi, I installed sun's JDK using java-package, it installed fine I think but "java -version" keeps referring to gcj
[09:48] <babechoufabrice> sorry me i m french
[09:49] <babechoufabrice> i m noob
[09:49] <arthurb> oh my, French suck so much at foreign languages...
[09:55] <ganymed> hello.
[09:57] <jpatrick> ganymed: lo
[09:58] <ganymed> ?... do you mean the moon or is this some special abreviation?
[09:58] <jpatrick> ganymed: it meant hello
[09:59] <arthurb> Hi, do you know where I could find a repositery with xorg 6.9 or 7.0 for kubuntu ?
[09:59] <ganymed> abbreviation
[10:00] <ganymed> i have serious performance issues on my pentium m 1800MHz... kde is somehow "sticky" (in comparison to the worse looking, but better reacting winxp, for example)
[10:00] <bl3ssing> which's the best mp3 player for kubuntu?
[10:00] <bl3ssing> pls?
[10:00] <ganymed> any ideas...?
[10:01] <bl3ssing> winxp will react for 1 month in a quickly way, than it will get crash ... itself. not the same for kde ...
[10:01] <bl3ssing> ;)
[10:01] <bl3ssing> that's for sure
[10:02] <bl3ssing> I got pentium m 1800 mhz too ... and ... it iw super great with kubuntu
[10:02] <jjesse> bl3ssing: i have a winxp pro box that has run since xp has come out w/o any blue screens or other issues only reboots are for patches :)
[10:03] <pekka> hi. please tell a newbie which logs to follow or where can i find an understandable how-to to configure sound in kubuntu
[10:03] <bl3ssing> you don't need to configure your sound in kubuntu cause it is doing by itself ...
[10:04] <bl3ssing> jjesse ... how can I type a red message with the nick destination?
[10:04] <mianos> de.archive.ubuntu.com 
[10:04] <mianos> ^^^ is it down=?
[10:04] <Japsu> pekka: if it doesn't work out of the box, there's obviously something wrong :/
[10:04] <pekka> my problem is for example that i can't play audio-cd's with kscd or amarok. when i put in a cd, kscd starts and plays the cd, but with no sound :-(
[10:05] <bl3ssing> i see
[10:05] <bl3ssing> there's another problem here
[10:05] <pekka> i guess i have problems with those sound-engines
[10:05] <bl3ssing> you're having pbs with some plugins
[10:05] <jjesse> bl3ssing: konverstation can highlight messages that involve you in it
[10:05] <jjesse> bl3ssing: when you type my nick in a message it shows up red for me
[10:05] <bl3ssing> ok, i see jjesse.
[10:06] <bl3ssing> thanks.
[10:06] <jjesse> np
[10:06] <bl3ssing> pekka ... you need to do something
[10:06] <bl3ssing> try to check your system seetings sound ..
[10:06] <bl3ssing> and ... test that sound ...
[10:06] <bl3ssing> if you'll hear any sound, than the pb. is not to the sound engine, but ... to the plugins
[10:06] <bl3ssing> I have the same pbs and now I'm looking to fix it ...
[10:07] <pekka> ok. i hear system sounds (not the bell, but sounds) in system settings when i "configure" the sound system. thats ok
[10:08] <bl3ssing> great
[10:08] <bl3ssing> than ... why are you crying about the sound engine?
[10:08] <bl3ssing> you'll need some plugins ... and I'm looking right now for them.
[10:09] <bl3ssing> pekka if you'll be a little bit patient, I'll tell to you what I'll find, ok 
[10:09] <murray> thanks for all your help people :)
[10:09] <pekka> ok, i'll wait for that bl3... thanks
[10:09] <bl3ssing> pekka np, anytime.
[10:09] <bl3ssing> ;)
[10:09] <cryptom> Hi, is there a way to get licq 1.3.2 (instead of just 1.3.0)?
[10:10] <ToyMan2> hi all
[10:10] <ToyMan2> is there anything to upgrading from hoary to breezy besides repointing the deb repositories?
[10:10] <ToyMan2> any known problems or 'gotchas'?
[10:11] <ganymed> ok. this does not solve my problem... my whole kubuntu system is slow... on a pentium m 1800MHz!
[10:11] <ToyMan2> ganymed, run top in a term and see what is eating cycles
[10:11] <nalioth> ToyMan2: not unless you've used non ubuntu repos in hoary
[10:12] <ToyMan2> hmm. I used some...
[10:12] <ToyMan2> I'll have to weed them out and figure which apps got touched
[10:13] <ganymed> which column?
[10:15] <ganymed> which column in top is important?
[10:15] <ToyMan2> %cpu
[10:16] <ToyMan2> and %mem
[10:16] <ganymed> 1.7 is not that much, is it (for xorg, this is the biggest value)
[10:17] <ganymed> ok. have to eat sth. i'll come back later. thanks. cu
[10:21] <pekka> welll.... anyone interested in helping with newbies sound problems ?
[10:22] <snake__> Would I could :(
[10:22] <pekka> thanks snake :-) thats all right
[10:23] <snake__> *sigh* I set everything up, now I have nothing to do
[10:23] <snake__> lol
[10:24] <pekka> hooray! my man ... bl3ssing has arrived :-)
[10:24] <bl3ssing> pekka ... I had to restart my computer
[10:24] <bl3ssing> welll ... pekka ... i'll give you a big advice
[10:24] <pekka> how do you make those private (iguess) messages)
[10:25] <snake__> Hey anyone know why I don't get sound with flash?? (It's a problem thats known, but I can't find a fix)
[10:25] <bl3ssing> run your Adept program ... and ... try  to install all the plugins for the playing files, ok?
[10:25] <bl3ssing> understood?
[10:26] <bl3ssing> snake__ maybe because you need to update your macromedia flash for linux.
[10:26] <pekka> yes, i can understand that. anything else?
[10:26] <bl3ssing> nothing more for now ... but maybe later. MAYBE!?
[10:26] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:26] <snake__> bl3ssing: I'm on 5.10 and using latest flash of the site
[10:27] <kkathman> snake__: dont listent to that thats bunk :)
[10:27] <pekka> haha :-) ok, i'll try that. thank you for now bl3 :-)
[10:27] <kkathman> you dont want to install everything for playing files..thats not the right approach
[10:27] <kkathman> just in case you were thinking of doing that :)
[10:28] <snake__> kkathman: What do you suggest?
[10:28] <bl3ssing> it is ok. kkathman ... anyting I don't know? ;) pekka'll install some plugins ... and they're not very huge files ...
[10:28] <kkathman> shhh
[10:28] <bl3ssing> I think it is the best to take all of them and you'll never have any pb.s about the sound plugins
[10:28] <kkathman> no
[10:28] <kkathman> thats silly
[10:28] <kkathman> and it leads to bloat
[10:28] <bl3ssing> ok kkathman ... 
[10:29] <bl3ssing> well ... you don't have a lots of them ... but how can we find the right plugin?
[10:29] <bl3ssing> ;)
[10:29] <jjesse> how do i set kubuntu so it always boots to the command prompt instead of starting up X
[10:30] <chx> hi
[10:30] <Ouaaaahhh> hi
[10:30] <kkathman> jjesse: you could change your inittab from id:x  to id: 1 i guess
[10:30] <snake__> FLASH PROBLEM FIXED!!
[10:31] <pekka> i'm listening ..... what do you kkathman mean with "thats silly ... to install all the possible plug-ins " does it lead into "overlapping" plug-ins or something like that?
[10:31] <kkathman> snake__: good
[10:31] <jjesse> is that a file i would edit or is there a program in kde that allows me to do it
[10:31] <bl3ssing> great snake__ 
[10:31] <chx> I have something on my taskbar it calls itself 'HTTP Cache cleaner' it's icon is a spinning hourglass and made my KDE cursor bouncing _extremely_ irritating, can't  find the ps it belongs to and it does not stop :(
[10:31] <kkathman> jjesse: not really in kde per se
[10:32] <jjesse> kkathman: is there a file i should edit?
[10:33] <kkathman> jjesse: its a file.. /etc/inittab   you should change the line id:5:initdefault   to   id:3:initdefault typically
[10:33] <kkathman> that will cause your system to boot to the command line, if thats what you want
[10:34] <chx> phew it stopped.
[10:35] <kkathman> jjesse: but why do you want to boot to the command line?
[10:36] <sanitarium> hey
[10:36] <sanitarium> how do I uninstall a program
[10:36] <jjesse> kkathman: its a kubuntu install that i'm using on a slow box and want to use it a partial server/partial test system
[10:36] <sanitarium> the orogram is apache2
[10:37] <jjesse> sanitarium: use adept
[10:37] <l3m> apt-get remove <name> 
[10:37] <bl3ssing> sanitarium: use adept ...
[10:37] <bl3ssing> it is the best.
[10:37] <sanitarium> aaahh, remove
[10:37] <sanitarium> i was using uninstall
[10:37] <sanitarium> ty
[10:37] <bl3ssing> the same
[10:37] <l3m> apt-get remove --purge <name> to delete configs as well
[10:37] <bl3ssing> but ... you can use the aptitude ... and at the installed pakages you cen uninstall them.
[10:37] <bl3ssing> they will be removed automatically
[10:38] <kkathman> jjesse:  ahh ok
[10:38] <bl3ssing> hello l3m
[10:38] <bl3ssing> how're you?
[10:38] <pekka> sanitarium: i prefere "synaptic" its very easy to understand, even to a newbie like i am :-)
[10:38] <kkathman> watch out for using aptitude, there are bugs in it
[10:38] <bl3ssing> do you know that I'm a very good in linux. LOL ... and I got only some day since I've just installed my kubuntu. It is so good ... I like it.
[10:38] <kkathman> best to stick with apt-get :)
[10:38] <bl3ssing> you're right kkathman ...
[10:39] <l3m> hi bl3ssing .. fine thx ;)
[10:39] <bl3ssing> I've just tried to install packages and ... to keep them and the bug has just arrived. :-(
[10:39] <kkathman> gee dont break your arm patting yourself on the back bl3ssing :)
[10:39] <l3m> bl3ssing: you?
[10:39] <bl3ssing> I tought maybe my computer is bad but not ... :-) it is the adept.
[10:39] <bl3ssing> where can I send this bug ...? does anyone knows? cause next time, I won't forgive that one who failed in programming. Heheheh ...
[10:40] <bl3ssing> l3m ... thanks to the Lord, I'm ok. :-)
[10:40] <l3m> bl3ssing: what exactly doesn't work? 
[10:40] <kkathman> how old are you bl3ssing :)
[10:40] <kkathman> lol
[10:40] <pekka> kkathman: i'm not a registered member in #kubuntu (yet) so i couldn't leave a message to you in private.
[10:40] <kkathman> you could get the source and program it yourself :)
[10:41] <pekka> so i'll ask it here in public :-)
[10:41] <kkathman> pekka ok
[10:41] <pekka> if i may ?
[10:41] <kkathman> questions arent asked to a particular person, pekka,  just to the channel in general, then anyone can answer
[10:41] <l3m> pekka: /msg nickserv help <- shows you how to register 
[10:42] <l3m> bl3ssing: what bug were you referring to? can you describe the problem more exactly' 
[10:42] <pekka> you told bl3ssing that his advice to "use adept and install all the possible sound-plug-ins-available was silly. why is that?
[10:43] <snake__> Hey does anyone elses "media:/" address only show the floppy drive??
[10:43] <pekka> will that lead to more serious problems?
[10:43] <kkathman> pekka:  because its best to analyze what the issue is, and install the specific solution, rather than just taking a slam approach and installing more than you need
[10:43] <gupta> Does it matter if a service like alsa-utils, dns-clean start in rcS or rc2 ? 
[10:44] <kkathman> thats why Linux is what it is, and not Windows
[10:44] <bl3ssing> l3m ... you know, I'm trying to listen to an mp3 file. I thought getting to the Adept and trying to install any playing plugins will fix my problems. Than ... this Adept, while I was trying to install/keep things, it has been crashed itself but not only, my computer too. I had to force the Adept to be closed.
[10:44] <l3m> uuh sounds bad
[10:44] <l3m> did you check that you have enough space left on your hd? 
[10:44] <bl3ssing> pekka ... I have never said this. it was the kkathman guy 
[10:44] <bl3ssing> LOL
[10:44] <bl3ssing> oh ... there's a lots of space for my computer
[10:44] <l3m> gupta: DON'T play with the services unless you know what you're doing
[10:45] <bl3ssing> I've instaled my kubuntu on a 12 gb partition
[10:45] <gupta> l3m i already did :( 
[10:45] <kkathman> pekka installing more than you need, wont necessarily lead to crashes, but could degrade performance
[10:45] <l3m> bl3ssing: hmm maybe just use "apt-get" from command line, or use synaptic
[10:45] <l3m> adept is nice but evil ( gtk and so ;) ) hrhr
[10:45] <gupta> I read the Howto
[10:45] <federico_lu> Hello channel! My KMenu is not being updated after installing applications through adept! Is there a way to fix this? I can't think of anything I should have done to break it :(
[10:46] <bl3ssing> pekka ... read very well what I'm saying and do not make me guilty by anything anybody's saying ... :-) Kidding ... but ... please, pay attention to what I'm saying, ok? :-)
[10:46] <jpatrick> l3m: Adept is GTK???
[10:46] <l3m> isn't it?
[10:46] <bl3ssing> l3m ... thanks for those advices.
[10:46] <bl3ssing> now it seems that it is working.
[10:46] <arthurb> Hi, when i plug a usb key it is mounted automatically in /media/volumename but konq tries to open media:/sda1
[10:46] <kkathman> federico_lu: not all applications install to the menu... you can use the menu editor to update your menu
[10:46] <pekka> i can understandd that kkathman, very well. i think i have problems according to that right this moment :-D
[10:46] <bl3ssing> if youw ant to install more packages, than .. that adept will crash.
[10:46] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:46] <jpatrick> l3m: it's KDE
[10:46] <l3m> jpatrick: isn't it? at least it looks ugly on my box
[10:46] <l3m> jpatrick: not like kde apps
[10:46] <kkathman> I've not personally had problems with adept for updating
[10:46] <l3m> jpatrick: and it doesn't respect the mac-osx-menubar like kde apps
[10:47] <jpatrick> l3m: that's coz it's using root :P
[10:47] <l3m> d'oh
[10:47] <kkathman> but everyone's system is different
[10:47] <l3m> hehe
[10:47] <arthurb> Hi, when i plug a usb key it is mounted automatically in /media/volumename but konq tries to open media:/sda1
[10:47] <l3m> thanks jpatrick
[10:47] <l3m> didn't know
[10:47] <federico_lu> kkathman: I know this, but applications like The Gimp for example did on previous installations, now it won't. And really no entries are made to the menu anymore. They also show not up in the Menu Editor, and changes I do there, aren't saved (when I close and reopen the Menu Editor, changes are gone)
[10:47] <jpatrick> l3m: welcome
[10:48] <kkathman> federico_lu: it may have changed, also be sure that you have updated with Adept to get the Admin fixes.
[10:48] <federico_lu> kkathman: which admin fixes?
[10:49] <Hentai^XP> Hello
[10:49] <gupta> Anyplace that shows the default runlevel status of each service?
[10:49] <bl3ssing> Hentai^XP: follow my kubuntu. Just forget about the XP
[10:49] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:49] <pekka> a public apology: im sorry bl3ssing :-) i didn't want to imply that your advices would cause me more trouble. i guess  it's   me that misunderstood  your and kkathman's dialogue in the wrong way. i'm sorry
[10:49] <Hentai^XP> no
[10:49] <bl3ssing> pekka:  don't be child. that's ok. you don't need to appologize. I'm still alive. :-)
[10:49] <kkathman> pekka: its ok, bl3ssing had an incorrect approach to that issue.
[10:49] <divan> gupta: rconf package for CLI or in system setting "System Services"
[10:50] <bl3ssing> kkathman: maybe you're right. next time I'll be more carefully ... 
[10:50] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:50] <gupta> ok thanks, i'll try that
[10:50] <kkathman> back later
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> godddamn it, I'm gone for one day and everyone picks up a purse.
[10:51] <pekka> well... if i start from anew again...
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> :)
[10:51] <gupta> btw by the default runlevel i meant original not current(after tweaking)
[10:51] <gupta> Like blackvipers guide for windows
[10:52] <bl3ssing> pekka ... is everything ok about your sound problems...now?
[10:52] <divan> anyone get a PDA Windows Mobile phone syncing with KDE Kontact before?
[10:52] <pekka> i'll try to find out if any of those cryptic alsa and artsd, when run at same time, will interfere  each other
[10:52] <bl3ssing> divan: i'm dreaming about one pda ... with kde kontact
[10:52] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:52] <bl3ssing> pekka: that'll be perfect for you.
[10:52] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: I had a Zaurus once, it had Ko/Pi and Ka/Pi. Pretty cool
[10:53] <divan> gupta: if you type runlevel tells you what runlevel you in, what about kdesu kate /etc/inittab ?
[10:53] <pekka> like the Big Arnie once said... I'll be back :-)
[10:53] <dipnlik> divan: I only know you have to use synce :S
[10:53] <pekka> bye and have a nice time helping others :-)
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> hi everyone :)
[10:54] <bl3ssing> dipnlik: what you mean? what should I do with that Zaurus?
[10:54] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:54] <divan> Hmmm, I've tried synce and others but suppose will try harder, gave up a while ago. "One PDA"?
[10:55] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: A Zaurus is a PDA which runs Linux
[10:55] <nalioth> y'all seen that new nokia tablet pc that runs on linux?
[10:56] <divan> dipnlik:is it out yet??Any good?
[10:56] <bl3ssing> wow
[10:56] <bl3ssing> cool ...
[10:56] <bl3ssing> dipnlik: who's selling this Zaurus?
[10:56] <bl3ssing> and how much'll cost one?
[10:56] <Riddell> ** install CDs are being remade, don't test current ones (but download so an rsync can happen)
[10:57] <Riddell> crimsun: ^^
[10:57] <snake__> anyone know how to  install UT04?
[10:57] <divan> Has is that Jonathen Riddell? Kewl! :)
[10:57] <Riddell> divan: ?
[10:58] <divan> Yeah, you don't know me, I just read lots about you!Constantly! Kinda kewl! I like the passionate work etc you doing with KDE&Kubuntu!:)
[11:00] <nalioth> Riddell: you're famous
[11:00] <bl3ssing> how can I use my xmms with an mp3 file? it seems that everything's ok, but ... my mp3 file is not playing.
[11:01] <snake__> !drivers
[11:01] <ubotu> somebody said drivers was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[11:01] <snake__> Do I need to install videocard drivers? or does it come with kubuntu??
[11:01] <dipnlik> nalioth: I read abou nokia 770, looks promising
[11:02] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: I think PriceJapan and Brando sell Zaurus, but they are expensive
[11:03] <divan> blessing: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
[11:05] <bl3ssing> not working divan ... maybe because I'm using the Adept ... program.
[11:05] <l3m> bl3ssing: what error message do you get when entering the line divan suggested?
[11:06] <l3m> bl3ssing: and no, this has nothing to do with adept
[11:06] <Riddell> divan: oh, cool :)
[11:09] <divan> Keep well everyone! I'll definately be back to help out! Ciao...
[11:09] <Riddell> divan: #kubuntu-devel if you want to help
[11:10] <divan> Riddel: Awesome, I will definately check that out. Thanks a lot!
[11:13] <arthurb> Hi, I have problem with the media kioslave, although my usbkey is mounter automatically in /media/volumename, media://sda1 doesn't work
[11:15] <MikeStyle> hey how do i install the arts engine
[11:16] <_snake> Does anyone know how to install a Radeon 9600 All in Wonder card??
[11:16] <jmg> hi all
[11:16] <bl3ssing> l3m: there's been no error reporting; only that my kubuntu has became instabil and ... I couldn't even see anyting ... when I've tried to get click on any button in the Adept interface.
[11:16] <blanky> hey guys, I installed kubuntu-desktop, may I uninstall it? will it uninstall everything it installed?
[11:17] <l3m> bl3ssing: hmm weird
[11:17] <l3m> blanky: it's just a meta-package
[11:17] <blanky> huh? Sorry I'm pretty new to linux
[11:17] <bl3ssing> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:17] <bl3ssing> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:18] <bl3ssing> l3m: about the line divan suggested; this has been the error: 
[11:18] <l3m> if you want to install another package that wants to remove kubuntu-desktop but not many other packages, just go ahead
[11:18] <bl3ssing> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[11:18] <l3m> bl3ssing: you forgot "sudo"
[11:18] <l3m> bl3ssing: or, adept is still running
[11:18] <bl3ssing> you're right.
[11:19] <bl3ssing> that's why I've said that it might be because I'm still using it.
[11:19] <bl3ssing> ;)
[11:19] <Knowerrors> arthurb: try the solution in this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89854
[11:20] <l3m> bl3ssing: well you cannot run apt-get, adept or kynaptic concurrently.
[11:20] <bl3ssing> l3m: i'm so excited about this kubuntu ... it is the best. (my oppinion and I hope soon the windows users will quit with it and will come right over here: to DEBIAN KERNEL ...)
[11:20] <bl3ssing> ;))
[11:21] <bl3ssing> understood l3m 
[11:21] <bl3ssing> thanks.
[11:23] <fatejudger> my sound seems really low when playing stuff through gstreamer
[11:23] <arthurb> oh ok it has to be a fixed name
[11:23] <arthurb> too bad
[11:23] <l3m> bl3ssing: errr .. it's a linux kernel, debian does just the packaging
[11:24] <l3m> ;)
[11:24] <fatejudger> when watching flash movies in Konq the sound seems fine
[11:24] <bl3ssing> aha ... what can we do to fix it? cause ... that's not a very good image to any new linux users.
[11:24] <bl3ssing> ;)
[11:24] <_snake> Hey where are the kernal files located??
[11:25] <bl3ssing> lol _snake  ... why? do you miss crashing your OS?
[11:25] <bl3ssing> =))
[11:25] <l3m> _snake: hmm if you ask like this you probably should know
[11:25] <bl3ssing> l3m:  lol
[11:25] <_snake> bl3ssing: I need to install my vid card
[11:26] <l3m> -should +should NOT
[11:26] <l3m> _snake: do you have nvidia or ati? 
[11:26] <bl3ssing> _snake: you better say that you want to install your vid card to l3m ; his the best. ;)
[11:26] <_snake> l3m: ATI Radeon 9600
[11:26] <bl3ssing> that's the best ... ati radeon
[11:26] <bl3ssing> i have the same and everything's perfect to me.
[11:26] <bl3ssing> ;)
[11:27] <l3m> _snake: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[11:27] <l3m> it applies to debian but should work as well in ubuntu
[11:27] <_snake> What do I download? (and isn't debian the main part of kubuntu...)
[11:28] <_snake> l3m: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/ubuntu-fglrx-breezy/index.html
[11:28] <_snake> Should I download that? (i'm on kubuntu breezy)
[11:28] <l3m> _snake: well with ati drivers it's way more complicated than with nvidia, so i suggest you actually read the page.. or at least browse through
[11:29] <l3m> _snake: well you need some binaries as well as a kernel module
[11:29] <_snake> *smashes head*
[11:29] <_snake> lol
[11:29] <l3m> _snake: best you just add the apt line
[11:29] <l3m> _snake: ?
[11:30] <_snake> l3m: yea?
[11:30] <l3m> why do you smash your head
[11:30] <l3m> ;)
[11:30] <_snake> l3m: Because I can see me screwing up my system already
[11:30] <l3m> ah now
[11:30] <l3m> it's easy
[11:30] <l3m> just dl xoomer's driver deb
[11:31] <l3m> using apt-get 
[11:31] <l3m> and then do step 4.4 / using module-assistant
[11:31] <Flixor-> how can i solve this message: 
[11:31] <Flixor-> GPG error: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[11:31] <l3m> nothing to worry about
[11:32] <_snake> Whats the apt-get for the xoomer??
[11:32] <nalioth> Flixor-: install gpg?
[11:32] <l3m> it's right on the page you posted
[11:32] <bl3ssing> l3m: my sound test has perfectly passed and I can hear the system sound when it is both start or shutting down; THE BIG problem is that I want to listen to an mp3 file which's in my windows partition, and i can't hear it even i can see it; I wanted to listen to eat with xmms but it doesn't work. When I'm pressing on the Play button, it is appearing a window with 3 advices: 1. ... ITS SEEMS THAT IT IS WORKING NOW. :-) lol
[11:32] <l3m> _snake: ;) 
[11:32] <l3m> pasted
[11:32] <bl3ssing> i've wrote this long sentences and than, when I've tried to type the 3 messages I've just hear the music.
[11:32] <bl3ssing> ;)
[11:32] <bl3ssing> hehehe
[11:33] <bl3ssing> maybe I've just installed the new driver ... so ... it is ok now.
[11:33] <Flixor-> i have gpg already installed, infect i made a private and public key and hope somebody wants to sign it 
[11:33] <l3m> bl3ssing: well. i'd advise you to turn off the sound system in hardware settings
[11:33] <l3m> bl3ssing: download amarok gstreamer plugin
[11:33] <bl3ssing> I've already done it l3m 
[11:33] <l3m> and use gstreamer to listen to music. amarok is way better than xmms anyway
[11:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:33] <bl3ssing> thanks.
[11:33] <bl3ssing> really? amarok is the best?
[11:33] <l3m> bl3ssing: yeah but probably you still have arts running
[11:33] <l3m> arts = evil ;)
[11:34] <bl3ssing> lol
[11:34] <bl3ssing> I don't have arts
[11:34] <bl3ssing> can I uninstalle it?
[11:34] <l3m> bl3ssing: type this: # ps ax | grep artsd 
[11:35] <l3m> "ps ax | grep artsd"
[11:35] <Flixor-> i have gpg already installed, infect i made a private and public key and hope somebody wants to sign it, nalioth 
[11:36] <nalioth> Flixor-: what is gpgv ?
[11:36] <l3m> if you get any output, arts is probably still running. go to systemsettings->sound->sound system and deactivate [] enable the sound system
[11:37] <bl3ssing> l3m: done
[11:37] <Flixor-> its an openPgp tool for checking signatures 
[11:37] <Flixor-> it seems that the repos are using signatures, and in the process checking them something is going wrong nalioth 
[11:38] <nalioth> !gpgerr
[11:38] <ubotu> I heard gpgerr is If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*
[11:41] <_snake> l3m: How do I use this module assit?
[11:42] <_snake> l3m: "module-assistant prepare" wont do anything
[11:43] <slow-motion> n8
[11:45] <l3m> _snake: sudo apt-get install module-assistant
[11:45] <bl3ssing> l3m:  O
[11:45] <l3m> _snake: and to save you some typing; once it's installed you can just use m-a 
[11:45] <l3m> hehe
[11:45] <bl3ssing> I've had done what you said ...
[11:46] <Flixor-> thanks nalioth i tried that but it is still giving me the same error message 
[11:46] <nalioth> Flixor-: i dont know, then
[11:46] <bl3ssing> and ... nothing good.
[11:46] <l3m> bl3ssing: well then it should play the sound now with less problems, doesn't it?
[11:46] <bl3ssing> the xmms is running perfectly, but not the other one.
[11:46] <l3m> bl3ssing: close xmms
[11:46] <l3m> bl3ssing: open amarok
[11:46] <Flixor-> strange, i think it all begun that during an apt-get upgrade my internet connection went down 
[11:46] <bl3ssing> ok
[11:47] <l3m> bl3ssing: settings->configure amarok->engine
[11:47] <bl3ssing> it's seems that one audio program is still running and I don't know which one...
[11:47] <l3m> make sure gstreamer is selected
[11:47] <l3m> bl3ssing: well check all the open programs 
[11:48] <l3m> bl3ssing: and maybe "sudo killall artsd" 
[11:48] <l3m> bl3ssing: and maybe "sudo killall -9 sd" 
[11:48] <l3m> bl3ssing: and maybe "sudo killall -9 artsd" 
[11:48] <l3m> (the last version, my typing is terrible today .. ;) 
[11:48] <ychahibi> I want to thank all the contributors for their nice work ! ( Next time make the fonts a bit nicer ;) )
[11:48] <Flixor-> nalioth, thanks anywya i am trying to figure it out and let you know when i have the solution
[11:50] <_snake> l3m: This crap is hard :( I dont understand why m-a cant build the script when I put in "module-assistant a-i fglrx"
[11:51] <bl3ssing> l3m: but ... I don't have any seetings ...:( I've system seetings ... and there's no configure amarok->engine ... where could this be if not here ?
[11:52] <l3m> bl3ssing: in amarok, you have a menu entry called "settings". in this menu, there's a choice "configure amarok" 
[11:53] <bl3ssing> l3m: k, thanks. 
[11:53] <l3m> _snake: hmm there should be an error log in /var/log/module-assistant.something or other
[11:53] <l3m> _snake: unfortunately ATI really fucked up when they make their linux drivers
[11:53] <l3m> _snake: they should learn from nvidia 
[11:54] <_snake> Hang on, I got it to reconize the fglrx kernal, now do 
[11:54] <_snake> Build or install l3m 
[11:54] <l3m> build
[11:54] <nalioth> l3m: language please
[11:54] <l3m> nalioth: oh sry
[11:54] <_snake> l3m: The source package may not to be installed. Would you 
[11:54] <_snake> yes or no
[11:55] <l3m> _snake: apt-get install fglrx-kernel-src 
[11:55] <l3m> _snake: and maybe also apt-get install linux-headers-<yourversion> - though it should get those automagically
[11:56] <_snake> l3m: apt-get install linux-headers-5.10 ?
[11:56] <_snake> also l3m fglrx-kernel-src is already the newest version.
[11:56] <l3m> _snake: no. try "uname -r "
[11:56] <l3m> _snake: this shows you the kernel version
[11:57] <_snake> oh okay
[11:57] <_snake> l3m: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-9-386?
[11:57] <l3m> yes
[11:58] <jmg> why does apt-get remove kamera try and remove kubuntu-desktop?
[11:58] <_snake> l3m: t it already
[11:58] <_snake> got it*
[11:58] <l3m> hmm and you had the source too? 
[11:58] <_snake> Yepperz
[11:58] <l3m> _snake: did you run module-assistant in sudo mode?
[11:58] <_snake> l3m: *Nods* It wont let u run w/p
[11:58] <_snake> w/o** damn
[11:59] <l3m> _snake: hmmm 
[11:59] <l3m> _snake: can you paste the complete logs of module asstant into the pastebin?
[11:59] <l3m> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:00] <_snake> l3m: where are they?
[12:00] <l3m> ... in /var/log
[12:00] <Knowerrors> Anyone know how to customize mouse gestures and buttons, and/or the rightclick service/context menus?
[12:01] <_snake> l3m: And it should be called module-installer.something??
[12:02] <l3m> Knowerrors: systemsettings->Regions & Accessibility -> input 
[12:02] <l3m> yeah 
[12:02] <l3m> if i remember correctly, that is