[12:06] just added one more :) [12:08] bmonty_laptop: ping === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] Kmirno_AWAY: or Mirno: Okay, I think that has been enough time for other motus to comment on the opera situation. According to what I have read, I THINK that redistribution is okay for multiverse. So I'd say lets try it, as nobody objected so far [12:19] Kmirno_AWAY: It would be nice if your contributor, who is willing to maintain the package would show us his package, in order to get it uploaded to ubuntu [12:20] Kmirno_AWAY: and to be honest, I think we have even harier stuff in multiverse: think of packageslike j2re1.4 or acroread :/ [12:21] Kmirno_AWAY: Sorry for the late answer, but I wanted to give other the chance to comment on the situation [12:21] bah [12:21] (hi all) [12:21] java is evil :) [12:21] hi sivang [12:21] hey siretart , how are stuff going? [12:22] sivang: a bit tired, I just returned from the cinema and I'm reading my emails. You are you? [12:22] argl. I mean: How are you? [12:23] siretart: pretty fine, finally got my desktop computer at my new apartment, and it's already set up with dapper chroot , I hope to have less hours at work following week so I will be finally able to help with the merges... [12:23] siretart: (I recently moved) [12:23] :) [12:23] yah, I've been talking much about it and didn't have any time at all to contribute on that :-( [12:24] so is the MOTU responsible for Multiverse too? === siretart still waiting for the ordered harddrives, for experimenting with snapshotted chroots using lvm :) [12:24] LaserJock: sure [12:25] siretart: what drives did you order? :) [12:25] siretart: is this something new? I never heared of snapshotted chroots with lvm :) [12:25] siretart: what about restricted? [12:26] main+restricted == supported == not us [12:27] LaserJock: restricted are just a few package, you don't want to mess with them ;) (they are for main uploaders only) [12:27] sivang: 2 s-ata drives, nothing spectacular [12:27] ah, ok so it is really MOTU&M [12:27] sivang: lvm2 has a nice feature of snapshotting volumes. It has been on my list for a long time :) [12:32] siretart: wow cool, I have a big sata drive (120gb) I might use this as well :) [12:33] okay folks, I'm off for today. - gn8, cu tomorrow! === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c220098.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] can someone review my packages pls ? :) === Nafallo goes to bed, goodnight all! :-) [01:25] gn8 Nafallo === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] raphink: what package? [01:44] sistpoty: i've uploaded 4 lately [01:44] raphink: to revu? [01:44] I think the most achieved ones are kio-sword and knmap [01:44] toutf8 is a very very small one [01:44] should take 5 seconds to be checked ;) [01:45] raphink: ok, I'll have a look... ;) [01:45] thanks sistpoty :) [01:45] for kim though, there are mans missing... otherwise I think it's fine [01:54] your goal really should be to get it into Debian, which will pretty much need a man page [01:55] ok [01:55] well the thing is that kim is a collection of bash scripts [01:55] so I have to find out how to write manpages for console scripts [01:55] and there are 14 of them in this package === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-222-190.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=ubuntu@hamlin-166-6423.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] well I fubar'd this time === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.194.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === edoardo [n=edoardo@213-140-21-235.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === choudesh [n=choudesh@151.161.173.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lool [n=lool@pig.zood.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo_away [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Treenaks [n=martijn@messy.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NigelS [i=nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Firetech [n=Jocke@amarok/rokymotion/Firetech] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xtat [n=xtat@gaius.rapidpacket.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [n=moyogo@104pc104.ucu-vb.uu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|away [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port161-157.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mirno [n=mirspcm@office.spcmnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker [i=xhaker@luna.sublimesp.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moquist [n=moquist@pool-70-16-198-174.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh_away [n=nsh@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Akatemik [n=tpievila@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] minghua: pong [02:04] wb :) [02:04] Moved the root FS and now I'm being introduced to recovering GRUB from a Chroot [02:04] hi sistpoty [02:05] hi bmonty_laptop, I've added some comments in the fam merge bug [02:05] bmonty_laptop: I hope you've seen it [02:06] minghua: yeah I saw, I'm trying to figure out what happened. [02:06] bmonty_laptop: the shared library name issue is quite tricky, and we'd better get it right [02:06] minghua: agreed, I spent most of my time checking on that, I'm not sure how the maintainer name got messed up [02:07] in short, fam uses C++, but only exports C ABI, so no name change is necessary [02:07] binary packages should be limfam0 and libfam-dev [02:07] but breezy shipped libfam0 anyway, so we probably have more problems than debian [02:08] bmonty_laptop: maybe because debian changed maintainer between the breezy merge and the dapper merge? [02:08] maybe, I gotta get these diffs straight in my head again [02:09] thanks sistpoty [02:09] raphink: I'll review another one... but then I need to go to bed ;) [02:09] grr damn GRUB [02:09] ok sistpoty :) [02:12] minghua: I must have been confused earlier, the more I look at this, the more I am thinking fam is a sync [02:13] bmonty_laptop: what about the LSB init script changes? [02:13] the MoM merge is weird [02:14] ah yes, that is why I did the patch earlier [02:14] no I remember :) [02:14] raphink: please limit line length in debian/changelog to 80 chars (kio-sword) [02:14] ok [02:15] back in 5 mins [02:15] :) [02:15] minghua: now I just need to figure out why the control file got messed up [02:16] what is longer than 80 chars in kio-sword sistpoty ? [02:16] bmonty_laptop: If the MoM merge doesn't look good, I usually just look at the ubuntu changes (as it's supposed to be small), and try to apply relevant part to the sid version [02:17] bmonty_laptop: that way things seem to be clearer to me. but of course, that's just my personal preference [02:17] minghua: I used the MoM merged package and tested the build/install with that. [02:18] looks like MoM dropped some control file changes and I missed that (except for automake1.9 build dep) [02:19] bmonty_laptop: ubuntu changed the priority, so that's perhaps why MoM was confused [02:20] (because it loses the diff context) === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] bmonty_laptop: the main reason I wrote that comment, though, is to alert you that we may want the name libfam0c102 for dapper [02:22] raphink: in debian/changelog the entry "* Patch 01 fixes stricmp [...] " [02:22] minghua: I thought we were getting away from those names [02:22] oh yeah changelog sorry sistpoty, ok [02:22] bmonty_laptop: no, as I've said, fam doesn't export C++ ABI at all [02:22] sistpoty: shall I add newlines, or just try to cut it? [02:23] bmonty_laptop: so Debian probably will keep the name, see the debian bug report I mentioned [02:23] raphink: just add newlines... [02:23] ok sistpoty, so just as in the description in control :) [02:25] raphink: in control only the description should not be longer than 80 chars... build-depends must be in one line [02:26] yes [02:26] that's what I meant [02:26] ok [02:26] so I do just as for the description in control that's what I meant ;) [02:26] hehe ;) [02:28] ok, i need some sleep now. gn8 [02:29] ok [02:29] good night sistpoty :) [02:29] thank you for your reviews :) [02:29] np ;) === Kyral [n=Chris@128.153.197.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@128.153.197.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] Well that isn't an experiance I want to go through again === Kyral [n=Chris@128.153.197.196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === punkrockguy318 [n=lukas@pcp02403042pcs.brdgtn01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] hey slomo [03:23] minghua: I'm pretty sure that we want our fam binary packages to be libfam0 and libfam-dev === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63560.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-6433.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] bmonty_laptop: okay [03:38] bmonty_laptop: I just want to make sure you are aware of this issue [03:38] thanks for pointing it out [03:39] I'm taking the libfam0c102 references out of the control file === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-184.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] minghua: I just put a new debdiff on #4574, can you take a look at it please? === at1as [n=at1as@24-247-15-243.static.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-168-35.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gazer_ [n=gazer@ADSL-200-59-108-68.capfed2.uolsinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gazer_ is now known as Gazer === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-247-168-35.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-108-251-54.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] afternoon all :) [06:48] 'afternoon === blueyed__ [n=daniel@i5387DC35.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:59] did the MOTUs ever decide on a logo? [07:02] hmmm, that would be nice :) [07:04] http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motulogo4fe.png [07:09] ooh! [07:09] that is old [07:11] brb === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.89.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] hi again :) [08:41] hmmm, is libjack0.100.0-dev still unsynced in ia64? === blueyed_ [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] can anyone please check bug 4090 , thanks in advance :) [09:09] Malone bug #4090: gtkpbbuttons: merge new debian version Fix req. for: gtkpbbuttons (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4090 [09:10] zakame: why'd you update the standards version? [09:10] it's unnecessary & adds extra noise [09:11] and this.. [09:11] -Architecture: all [09:11] +Architecture: powerpc [09:11] why? === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] ajmitch: its powerpc specific, it won't build on all [09:12] ok [09:14] at least drop the standards version change, it's not needed [09:14] the 4th digit is for typos & similar minor changes only [09:15] hmm [09:17] is it not desirable to keep Standards-Version in sync with the latest debian-policy version? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying is away: Away at the moment === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] wb Seveas [09:53] ty === freeflying is back. [09:57] siretart: there is no one submiting a package, only people asking for it. I was going to simply add the bnaries from Opera website [09:58] siretart: PLF doesn't require source only packages [09:58] plf? [09:59] zakame: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf => Pinguin Liberation Front for Ubuntu (http://plf.zarb.org about PLF general and for mandriva) [10:00] zakame: we provide stuff like w32codecs libdvdcss2 [10:00] Kmirno_AWAY: you really should [10:00] Kmirno_AWAY: even if only binaries are copied [10:00] morning [10:00] hey ajmitch! [10:00] siretart: we we really don't :) I put sourepackages with binaries when avaible if not this is not blocking.. [10:00] hi === Kmirno_AWAY is now known as Kmirno [10:01] Kmirno: how do you ensure that your binaries do not contain malicous software when you cannot rebuild it yourself? === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B09CF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] siretart: we don't [10:02] morning daniel! [10:02] Kmirno: thats really sad :( [10:02] dholbach! [10:02] hey andrew, reinhard! :) [10:02] Kmirno: ooh! [10:03] siretart: We don't have access to Opera source code nor to skype source code, makeing a soruce package that provides the binaries and think it's safe .. is a complete nonsense. [10:03] hi dholbach :D [10:03] hi zakame :) [10:03] hi everybody else [10:03] dose who maintain package of xorg [10:03] Kmirno: even then one could verify if the md5sums of the binaries match from those distributed by opera or skype or whatever [10:04] Kmirno: I rather fear your package submitter than the original origins (which I fear too, but not that much) [10:04] submitters === ajmitch feels like going off to sleep [10:05] siretart: packages are taken directly from the vendor same place as normal binaries .. If it does malicious people will blame Opera, if I or someone else redoes a package and it does malicious people will blame me. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] siretart: PLF is just falicating access no modifications for vendor binaries when can be avoided. === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] Tonio_: siretart said they'll try to get Opera into MOTU. [10:06] Kmirno: now you confuse me: do you take the original .debs distributed by opera? [10:06] siretart: yes [10:06] Kmirno: hi, thanks, that's a good news;) [10:07] according to the redistribution licence, I haven't seen something that would obviously forbid that. [10:07] opera updates their debs fairly regularly, though [10:07] anyway, that's a very good news [10:07] Kmirno: same for skype? [10:08] hello siretart [10:08] I don't quite get the point in redistributing binary .debs.. [10:08] hi Tonio_ [10:08] I don't either [10:08] siretart: hi [10:08] siretart: skype has some mdodifs as it is not working properly from vendor .. see keyes for details he is the maintainer I don't know much more about it [10:09] crimsun: ease of access [10:09] Kmirno: and what about updates? [10:09] crimsun: that's allwhat PLF is about, provideing questionnable (or less questionnable) packages with ease of access. [10:09] crimsun: well we update the package when there's a new one [10:09] dose who maintain package of xorg [10:10] crimsun: that's the maintainers job [10:10] Kmirno: so you confuse me again: earlier you tell me that you redistribute unmodified binaries from upstream, now you say Keyes is modifing the binary deb [10:10] freeflying: the main team does, but mostly daniels [10:10] motus: please check bug 4105 debdiff, thanks in advance :) [10:10] crimsun: I have some problem with xorg [10:10] Malone bug #4105: mpd: merge new debian version Fix req. for: mpd (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4105 [10:10] siretart: I said unmodified whenever possible [10:11] siretart: skype needed modification to work properly [10:11] Kmirno: err, so why is Ubuntu multiverse involved? [10:11] siretart: ircc === ajmitch would love to check, but can't do anything with them [10:11] Kmirno: faciliating is one point. I try to help you to provide package with some quality standards [10:11] crimsun: because siretart made me agree to take only MOTU rejected packages into PLF [10:12] ah, so we're not talking about multiverse or universe at all but plf [10:12] siretart: well Opera packages seem good quality no ? [10:12] Kmirno: in order to do that, I need to be able to review your work. and this doesn't work very well without 'source packages' === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@iserver.borg-hermagor.asn-ktn.ac.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] zakame: what's different from the debian package there? [10:12] Kmirno: lets go back to the opera specific case and back from general discussion [10:12] siretart: yup [10:13] Kmirno: I'd really appreciate if someone would package the opera binaries suitable for multiverse [10:13] Kmirno: I don't see objections to not redistribute them via multiverse [10:14] Kmirno: would you or someone from plf volunteer to work on an upload suitable for multiverse? [10:14] ajmitch: I see translation diffs [10:14] zakame: ok, they're not in the changelog though? [10:15] siretart: I'd really apreciate if someone do my work for me too :) hh ... Ask the mailing list for volonteers if you wish :) [10:15] since the only ubuntu changes that were noted aren't changelog related [10:15] hmmm, you mean my comment at lp? [10:15] siretart: I can't answer for others [10:15] zakame: looking at the changelog entries in the debdiff [10:16] Kmirno: I don't consider packaging unfree software as 'my work' === ajmitch needs to get dapper setup before he can check things properly [10:16] and I still have to wait on gpg key magic :( [10:17] siretart: I'm not asking you to. But don't ask others to do it for you. [10:17] ajmitch: hmm, indeed, it wasn't noted in the changelog earlier [10:18] Kmirno: I understand from you that you already have one who did some work on packages, no? [10:18] siretart: I don't understand [10:18] ajmitch: wait, there's a repeat of 0.11.5-4 in the changelog, darn === ajmitch is going off to sleep now anyway [10:19] bye [10:19] Kmirno: do you have some opera packages or not? [10:19] gn8 ajmitch ! [10:19] siretart: no [10:19] 'night ajmitch [10:19] Kmirno: aah, I thought you where about to release something [10:19] ajmitch: bye, and thanks for the input! :) [10:20] siretart: well I would cp packages from opera into PLF an that would constitue the release of opera in PLF. [10:21] Kmirno: perhaps we can agree on this: you redistribute the opera .debs until somebody uploads opera binaries to multiverse? (as nobody seems interested, I don't expect that to happen soon) [10:22] siretart: Absolutely Just warn me when you want me to remove them. [10:22] Kmirno: okay [10:22] siretart: i'm of adding them to PLF, thank you [10:22] n/p === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [10:28] can anyone tell me whether apt-build is worth doing on a p4 system? [10:28] to rebuild everything except gcc g++ and the kernels? [10:28] Good morning all! [10:28] morning sivang :) [10:29] hey StrikeForce [10:29] StrikeForce: why rebuild? [10:29] dholbach: foor l33t gent00n3zz [10:29] dholbach, I was just looking at it thats all [10:29] StrikeForce: what advantages do you expect from that? [10:29] makes no sense :) [10:29] I was messing around iwth a system where I just do things to test and learn [10:29] does it make a difference? [10:29] siretart: 3ms startuptime increase, and 0.001% speed increase! [10:29] kk [10:29] so not worth it [10:30] no, not really. [10:30] thanks === herzi [n=herzi@c220098.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] a more streamlined kernel and libc6-i686 would be, and everyone would benefit, not just you === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] yeah [10:30] although compared to my fedora box the ubuntu kernel is great [10:31] it /seems/ to me a hell of a lot more efficient [10:31] herzi: criawips is in dapper universe :) [10:33] crimsun: I'd really appreciate ulibc ports! :) [10:34] dholbach: great [10:34] herzi: you should do a new release - the cvs version didn't build for me ;) [10:34] the next version will be even more usable, we hacked on it during the lwe [10:34] i broke it sometimes in between, it should work [10:34] some missing header === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A639A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:18] Nafallo: so, tipptrainer ... it dosn't seem to work for me, did you run it successfully? [11:19] hm, I'll try. [11:19] I seem to can't start a lesson or class :/ === Nafallo ands a mental note about changing -en to default :-P [11:23] works for me :-) [11:24] you are running the latest version? [11:25] (0.6.0-6ubuntu1) === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] for english data files? [11:28] and you can select a class/lesson? [11:29] ^--- Nafallo [11:30] yes [11:32] you are running -en aswell? [11:33] I have both installed now [11:33] (-en, -de) [11:33] oh [11:33] -de hates me :-P [11:36] Nafallo: it seems like some old settings in ~/.Tipptrainer killed it, sorry for the noise [11:37] so it wasn't that -de "Cannot load file lektion.index"? [11:37] it was the same error, but after removing the ~/.Tipptrainer it magically worked === at1as is back. [11:39] [11:39] hmm, oki. I think I need german locale installed before -de works. === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] <\sh> mois [11:59] <\sh> moins even [12:01] \sh: morning [12:03] <\sh> grmpf... [12:05] <\sh> incredible [12:06] <\sh> Nafallo: u remeber gajim merge? I told you that our orig.tar.gz is some bytes smaller then the debian one? [12:06] <\sh> Nafallo: I just diffed them...ubuntu against debian... [12:06] <\sh> Nafallo: no diff is produced [12:06] joy :-/ [12:06] which means the metadata is different. [12:09] <\sh> Mithrandir: looks like...but I don't know how I can merge this now...because I can't do neither a source upload nor a diff-only upload...from the merge package...neither I can sync it because of our patches. [12:10] \sh: bring in 0.9+svn ofcourse :-). replacing gajim_0.8.2 in dapper. [12:43] bmonty_laptop: ping [12:47] <\sh> brb [12:49] where can I find an example of a docbook for a shell command? [12:57] bug 4574, is that a PendingUpload just not set? [12:57] Malone bug #4574: fam: merge new debian version Fix req. for: fam (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4574 [12:57] bmonty_laptop: bug 4574, is that a PendingUpload just not set? [12:57] Malone bug #4574: fam: merge new debian version Fix req. for: fam (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4574 === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F41D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] I can't get to install manpages for my package :( [01:21] this is my debian/rules : http://ubuntu-fr.pastebin.com/434229 [01:21] the two manpages won't install :( === markuman [n=supermar@p50927E41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cribeiro [n=CARLOS@201.19.157.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] hi... is this the correct channel to discuss launchpad specifications for Ubuntu? [01:35] #launchpad, maybe? [01:36] anyone has an idea for my manpages? [01:36] Well, the topic is not the launchpad itself... but Ubuntu. And there's one question that is packaging-related... [01:40] Mornin' === Kyral looks outside [01:40] Yea! Snow! :D === Arcangel [n=Arcangel@126.Red-81-38-76.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] hola [01:49] :):) [01:49] <\sh> cribeiro: soyuz issues? [01:50] somebody help me?i have the pjirc on FC3,..is possible create a irc chat? [01:50] a new cahnnel [01:50] <\sh> Arcangel: join #freenode pls...this is ubuntu-motu channel :) [01:51] yes,the eternal problem between debian & the rest [01:51] ok === Kyral arches an eyebrow [01:52] <\sh> Arcangel: no...the eternal problem between ubuntu universe development and users support questions about IRC related issues [01:53] thanks anyway [01:53] have a nice day from spain [01:53] <\sh> Arcangel: thx, u too :) [01:54] chau Arcangel === Arcangel [n=Arcangel@126.Red-81-38-76.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === cribeiro [n=CARLOS@201.19.157.213] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:55] mornin' everyone [01:56] mornin' [01:56] morning bmonty_laptop === ryu [n=chris@p5487DD99.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] \sh: I was thinking it would be nice if your MOTU tools could do some kind of an automatic sync request to elmo [02:12] eh [02:12] it would be nice if launchpad did it itself with a signed email or something [02:13] yeha [02:13] no bothering elmo [02:14] agreed, but until then I wonder if there is a way to make sync requests easier for all involved [02:14] maybe we could generate an email that has things elmo could filter on, or creates the command line he can just cut and paste, that kind of thing [02:16] brb, gotta go change a daiper :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:17] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: we don't wont to bug elmo automatically...he is a human being and not a bot :) [02:18] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: and actually we're waiting for soyuz to land [02:19] \sh: crash-land? :) [02:20] <\sh> Treenaks: ;) === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] \sh: not to treat elmo like a bot, but to make things easier if need be (I dunno maybe he is happy sifting though #ubuntu-devel looking for the requests) [02:22] what is soyuz? [02:23] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: I send him mails and doing the request via irc (mails when I have more then one package to sync..) [02:24] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/SoyuzSpecification === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.66.149] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] \sh: does he handle the syncs you request by email? maybe he doesn't do mine because I'm not an MOTU? [02:24] hello all [02:24] hi Gloubiboulga === markuman [n=supermar@p50927E41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable041.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p50927E41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] \sh: just curious, are you going to handle the bzr merge just like another other package, or will you merge against the latest devel version? [02:50] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: no..I'll handle it like any other merge [02:51] \sh: so the latest from unstable? === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: yepp [02:52] ok, I should have asked, but I figured bzr development was still too heavy to make a merge worthwhile === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] ocaml has a newer debian version but it isn't on the merge list, can I merge it anyway? (need it for build/install deps for findlib) [03:19] sure [03:20] bmonty_laptop: i already synced it and findlib too? [03:21] oh no, it's not [03:21] oh it is [03:21] and they're both in main [03:22] dholbach: ocaml in dapper is 3.08.3-3ubuntu5 and unstable is 3.09.0-1 [03:22] you're right about main though :( [03:22] daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache showsrc ocaml | grep Version [03:22] Version: 3.09.0-1 [03:23] findlib was needed in main for gmetadom, which was needed for gdome, which was needed for gtkmathview, which was needed for abiword [03:23] :) [03:23] maininclusionreport-love :) [03:23] heh [03:23] ok, my chroot needed an update [03:24] hmm, does REVU not remove main packages from the list? === GazerWork [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F41D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: u mean the revu MOM list_ [03:39] <\sh> ? [03:39] ye [03:39] s [03:40] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: i think they were in universe first..and now they're in main... [03:40] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: but anyways...do the merge...I'll sponsor [03:41] \sh: dholbach said he already merged them so I closed the merge bug [03:41] yes, it's all done [03:41] <\sh> bmonty_laptop: ok...:) [03:42] <\sh> dholbach: btw...any solution for gnomegames? [03:42] some packages (build-)depending on ocaml might need love [03:42] \sh: not yet === markuman [n=supermar@p50927E41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] <\sh> dholbach: because from what I see the package is right...could it be that we have some problems with cdbs or dh_fixperms? === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.130-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A647F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=supermar@p50925E90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bobg1 [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] libfoo and libfoo-dev should have the same version number, right ? [05:09] Gloubiboulga: do they come from the same source package? [05:09] good question [05:10] I guess so [05:10] libreadline4 version :4.3-18, and libreadline4-dev: 4.3-17 on dapper [05:11] the dev package can't be installed [05:12] maybe -dev failed to build? [05:12] either both or none has failed in general [05:13] Gloubiboulga: libreadline5 is the newest afaik [05:13] yep, I've just seen that [05:14] I don't see libreadline4 in the buildlogs, and I've worked with several packages that are using libreadline5 === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bobg1 [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["BYE!"] [05:14] bmonty_laptop: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/readline4/4.3-18/# [05:15] readline4 (4.3-18) unstable; urgency=low [05:15] . [05:15] * Don't build the readline4-dev package anymore. === bmonty_laptop slaps his forehead [05:15] gotta scroll up and look at the source package name [05:15] i.e. 4 is deprecated and 5 should be used [05:15] I try to work on a merge (my first one) [05:16] I think I have to correct the dependencies :) [05:28] \sh_away: it needs the permissions to write to /var/games, at the moment i don't have an idea, how to fix [05:33] sguid "games" is the right fix i think [05:37] ogra: what do you want me to change? [05:37] dholbach, nothing ? [05:37] dont you already set sguid games ? [05:37] "nothing" doesnt help :) [05:38] dholbach, whats wrong ? as i got it you already install the binarys sguid games ... === _jason [n=jason@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.UPENN.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga is now known as Gloubi_aw === tjj [n=timj@67.108.61.130.ptr.us.xo.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] hey ajmitch [06:13] hello [06:14] glad to be back from your trip? [06:14] yeah [06:15] now I have to get back to paid work [06:15] heh, no MOTU work? :) [06:16] if I could [06:18] I took this week off, so my MOTU time is going to go down drastically next week [06:18] bmonty_laptop: you did awesome work [06:18] I haven't done anything for dapper yet [06:19] dholbach: thanks! [06:19] & I still can't upload :) === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] for main? [06:19] for main & universe [06:20] I should just try & upload to see if elmo has processed it but hasn't told me [06:21] if he hasn't maybe the reject message will remind him :) [06:22] he wouldn't see it === ajmitch needs something to upload first [06:23] Malone #4611 [06:23] Error: Could not parse XML returned by Malone bugzilla: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 404: Not Found [06:23] yay, config.* mess [06:24] I hate that in debdiffs [06:24] there isn't anything to do about that, right? [06:24] it would be nice if debdiff was smart enough to ignore those files === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.130-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:27] hey LaserJock [06:28] hi bmonty_laptop [06:28] how's it going? [06:29]