| elmo | jbailey: ok, confirmed amd64 works with new patch + new binutils for whatever little that's worth ;) | 12:08 |
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| elmo | well at least it's not regressing any further, I guess | 12:08 |
| jbailey | works like builds, or works like you installed it and shit still generally runs? | 12:09 |
| elmo | oh, builds | 12:09 |
| elmo | I can do install, this is a throw away chroot | 12:09 |
| jbailey | That would be lovely. | 12:09 |
| jbailey | Even just if bash and ls run, at least we know it won't drive the world to a complete halt. =) | 12:10 |
| elmo | done, stuff seems fine | 12:10 |
| jbailey | Thanks. | 12:10 |
| jbailey | Hmm, seems I have a patch for ppc32, anyway. | 12:23 |
| jbailey | I'll let it build and check the symbol table to make sure it's still okay. | 12:24 |
| jbailey | Feh. For the socket family. | 12:29 |
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| jbailey | woohoo, gratuitous strong_alias removed. | 12:37 |
| jbailey | Bah, the bind fix is wrong, it leaves it as a strong alias. | 12:43 |
| jbailey | the lround fix is right, though. | 12:44 |
| jbailey | I'll fix after dinner. whee | 12:44 |
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| jbailey | Bah. All of the libc6 symbols match on ppc now in my local build. | 04:31 |
| jbailey | In ppc64 .free, .malloc, and .realloc went from weak symbols to global ones. | 04:31 |
| jbailey | elmo: If you happen to be awake and want to follow along: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/ubuntu-new-binutils.dpatch | 04:32 |
| jbailey | Is my current dpatch. | 04:32 |
| jbailey | elmo: Can I get an i386 dapper chroot on concordia as well for these tests? I'd like to do symbol comparisons there, too. | 04:36 |
| jbailey | And I should get off my ass and generally implement it for our builds. | 04:37 |
| jbailey | One more item on the glibc todo list. | 04:37 |
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| doko | infinity, elmo, jbailey: would I interfer with you merging the current binutils from unstable? | 12:44 |
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| doko | infinity, elmo, jbailey: would I interfer with you merging the current binutils from unstable? | 01:46 |
| jbailey | EPARSE: Missing conditional clause. | 01:47 |
| infinity | Yeah, uhm. ENGLISH. | 01:47 |
| infinity | :P | 01:47 |
| infinity | (I assume you're asking if we'd mind if you did the merge, and I'd answer "no, go the fuck ahead") | 01:48 |
| infinity | I'm sick, and it's the weekend. | 01:48 |
| jbailey | drow said that binutils needs the update from this week. | 01:48 |
| infinity | Yeah, elmo uploaded to sid yesterday. | 01:48 |
| infinity | Or today. | 01:48 |
| jbailey | Ah, okay. | 01:48 |
| infinity | 20051117 snap. | 01:48 |
| jbailey | In which case, that's a good thing to merge. | 01:48 |
| infinity | <nod> | 01:49 |
| infinity | I was going to merge it, but ENOBRAIN... Or ETOOMUCHMUCOUS. | 01:49 |
| jbailey | The claire disease has gotten to you too? | 01:49 |
| infinity | doko : Go ahead and merge it. Don't forget to remove all occurrances of pkgstriptranslations from debian/rules, that stuff's obsolete now. | 01:49 |
| infinity | jbailey : It's Claire's fault? | 01:49 |
| jbailey | It was for our room, anyway. | 01:50 |
| jbailey | Noone was sick until she showed up. | 01:50 |
| infinity | I'll be sure to make an extra large expense claim, then. | 01:50 |
| doko | ok, merging | 01:52 |
| infinity | Danke. | 01:54 |
| infinity | That puts me one step closer to a new LRM. | 01:54 |
| infinity | jbailey : Is the glibc upload ready to go and just waiting on binutils? | 01:54 |
| jbailey | infinity: No, glibc now builds correctly on ppc32 and I've verified all the symbols. ppc64 builds but some unrelated bits had their symbol types change. | 01:56 |
| jbailey | Since those were *completely* unrealted to anything I touched, I assume it's more binutils fallout, so I feel compelled to actually do symbol matching against every arch. | 01:57 |
| jbailey | But if it were to be uploaded now, it would probably actually build everywhere. | 01:57 |
| infinity | Mmkay. Well, it's a weekend now anyway, so I'm fine waiting on you being cautious. | 01:58 |
| jbailey | Did flight-1 go out yet? | 01:58 |
| fabbione | no afaik | 01:58 |
| infinity | Early next week, I'd love to get it in, though (and I'm sure you'd love to get it in so yo ucan get distro off your task list) | 01:58 |
| infinity | And no, I don't think flight-1 actually happened, so you'd want to ping Colin before blowing up the world. | 01:59 |
| jbailey | Dude, I have a pile of glibc stuff after this to do. | 01:59 |
| jbailey | I've been just reducing the scope so that it actually builds with the new binutils so we can get on with life. | 01:59 |
| jbailey | It looks like people have generally stopped asking me about initramfs-tools, which is nice. | 02:00 |
| doko | http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ | 02:48 |
| doko | somebody wants to double-check? built ok on i386 and amd64 | 02:48 |
| jbailey | doko: Do you fail the build in the event of testsuite regressions? | 02:52 |
| elmo | no | 02:53 |
| lamont-away | doko: so we get a new gcc-3.4 and gcc-4.0, yes? | 02:58 |
| doko | lamont-away: is flight-1 done? | 03:01 |
| lamont-away | dunno - I was more just making sure that we get both when it happens... | 03:02 |
| doko | lamont-away: yes, both are prepared | 03:03 |
| doko | binutils hppa build failure: | 03:07 |
| doko | /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link gcc -W -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Werror -g -O2 -o strip-new objcopy.o is-strip.o rename.o rddbg.o debug.o stabs.o ieee.o rdcoff.o wrstabs.o bucomm.o version.o filemode.o ../bfd/libbfd.la ../libiberty/libiberty.a | 03:07 |
| doko | gcc -W -Wall "" -Wmissing-prototypes -Werror -g -O2 -o .libs/strip-new objcopy.o is-strip.o rename.o rddbg.o debug.o stabs.o ieee.o rdcoff.o wrstabs.o bucomm.o version.o filemode.o ../bfd/.libs/libbfd.so -L/build/buildd/binutils-2.16.1cvs20051117/builddir-single/libiberty/pic -liberty ../libiberty/libiberty.a | 03:07 |
| doko | gcc: : No such file or directory | 03:07 |
| doko | make[5] : *** [strip-new] Error 1 | 03:07 |
| doko | hmm, that's the libc built with gcc-4.0 | 03:08 |
| doko | lamont-away: please update | 03:08 |
| lamont-away | The following packages will be upgraded: | 03:17 |
| lamont-away | coreutils grep gzip login | 03:17 |
| lamont-away | then what? | 03:17 |
| jbailey | doko: libc build with gcc-4.0? | 03:18 |
| jbailey | You mean in Debian, right? | 03:18 |
| doko | yes, -7 was built with 4.0, -8 with 3.4 | 03:18 |
| jbailey | Right, just making sure that the broken idea of gcc-4 and glibc playing together hadn't surfaced in Dapper. | 03:18 |
| jbailey | That breakage is definetly for dapper+! | 03:18 |
| lamont-away | clisp coreutils cpio debconf debconf-english debianutils fakeroot grep initscripts libc6 libc6-dev login lsb-base passwd perl-modules sysv-rc sysvinit tar | 03:19 |
| lamont-away | oh... debian. right. | 03:19 |
| doko | lamont-away: the binutils build log says -7 | 03:19 |
| lamont-away | which was clear from the channel name and all that. :-) | 03:19 |
| jbailey | lamont-away: And when in doubt, the /topic =) | 03:20 |
| lamont-away | not that I mind debian discussions here, I just need to know that we're talking about debian, not ubuntu... :-) | 03:21 |
| lamont-away | and binutils given back | 03:21 |
| doko | lamont-away: just trying to look at our community builds, before uploading to dapper ... | 03:21 |
| doko | FAIL: sym@tocbase is a regression on powerpc compared to 2.16.1cvs20051109 | 03:26 |
| doko | jbailey, elmo: ^^^ | 03:26 |
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| jb-away | doko_: You around? | 10:43 |
| doko_ | jbailey: yes | 10:43 |
| jbailey | I've been thinking a bit more about toolchain-ng and your concerns about targetting i486 by default. | 10:44 |
| jbailey | Do you have any good links to gcc mailing list where people are saying "use i686 instead of i386" for your target? | 10:44 |
| jbailey | I remember when I did some tests before that I wasn't able to show a big improvement for i686 because most apps that could be improved already provided enhanced libraries. | 10:45 |
| doko_ | no, just private mails | 10:45 |
| jbailey | When I've mentioned it before, the answers I've gotten were basically that our target audience includes folks with older machines. | 10:46 |
| jbailey | My counter argument is that our choice of applications argues that it's not actually our focus. | 10:46 |
| jbailey | So part of me was wondering whether or not older machines should be actually left to a derivative distro or something, or maybe micro-buntu? | 10:46 |
| jbailey | Especially since Dapper is a long lived release, right after it is time to change. | 10:47 |
| doko_ | maybe I should re-find some bug reports which I submitted for i486, not showing on i686 | 10:47 |
| jbailey | Yeah, and maybe use them as data for a rationale section in a spec. | 10:48 |
| doko_ | hmm, but we currently don't have derivatives, which recompile packages | 10:48 |
| jbailey | Right, but micro-ubuntu is going to have to, noone wants all the docs on their handheld. =) | 10:48 |
| jbailey | And it certainly needs to be generally possible anyway. | 10:48 |
| jbailey | -- And I think is generally possible from how Daniel explained Soyuz | 10:49 |
| doko_ | yes, it should be possible. but is micro-ubuntu and i386-ubuntu really the same thing? | 10:50 |
| jbailey | The question is how are they different? | 10:54 |
| jbailey | Any machine running i386 really *doesn't* want gnome and openoffice. | 10:54 |
| jbailey | It probably doesn't have USB, so doesn't need all the plug events. | 10:54 |
| jbailey | It quite likely doesn't have PCI, so might need a different startup mechanism than we're using. | 10:55 |
| doko_ | yes, but is all the other stuff the same? i.e. an installer for an embedded device? | 10:55 |
| jbailey | I don't think anyone's thought through how the installer should look. | 10:56 |
| jbailey | But I don't imagine that writing to a CF card is all that different than writing to a harddrive in an i386. | 10:56 |
| jbailey | You'll need some way to boot it, and prep the media and then start loading data. | 10:57 |
| jbailey | d-i is flexible enough to generally handle 2 and 3. | 10:57 |
| doko_ | have other defaults for cron/at/logd? | 10:57 |
| jbailey | Again, maybe. | 10:57 |
| jbailey | cron,daily is difficult enough on my pentium 3 machine when I'm online. | 10:57 |
| jbailey | On an i386 it could be brutal. | 10:57 |
| jbailey | The same is true for any embedded device. | 10:57 |
| jbailey | I think the burden isn't on us at the moment to solve the how-would-it-work on i386. | 10:59 |
| jbailey | I think the burden is on us to show that there's a clear advantage do doing i686 and up only. | 10:59 |
| jbailey | Specifically: The toolchain folks aren't really targetting pre-i686 | 10:59 |
| jbailey | Our applications don't effectively run on pre-i686 | 10:59 |
| doko | yes, let's search these things until our next dev-sprint | 11:00 |
| jbailey | 'k | 11:02 |
| doko | good night! | 11:24 |
| jbailey | g'n Matthias | 11:37 |
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