[12:03] <_snake> l3m: m not seeing it,but I can view a long from within the terminal....
[12:03] <l3m> oops
[12:04] <l3m> _snake: var/cache/modass/....
[12:06] <_snake> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/434823
[12:06] <Knowerrors> l3m: theres no input entry, just stuff for helping disabled people
[12:07] <l3m> Knowerrors: on the left side of the window, there's an icon "input actions"
[12:07] <l3m> that's where you can customize mouse gestures
[12:08] <l3m> Knowerrors: as for the desktop rightclick menu, that's in systemsettings->desktop->behaviour
[12:08] <l3m> _snake: ok you need to isntall gcc-3.4
[12:08] <l3m> _snake: apt-get install gcc3-4 
[12:08] <l3m> sudo ....
[12:09] <_snake> E: Couldn't find package gcc3-4 ;)
[12:09] <l3m> gcc-3.4
[12:09] <l3m> watch the dash
[12:10] <_snake> kk
[12:10] <Red-Sox> HI!
[12:10] <Red-Sox> if you do sudo apt-get install KDE, will that be the same as kubuntu
[12:11] <_snake> l3m: is there some kind of magic tricks that you people have to find the exact apt-get code you need??
[12:11] <_snake> Red-Sox: yes
[12:11] <Knowerrors> l3m: don't see any icon "input actions" Im in the settings area > region/access
[12:11] <crimsun> Riddell: download died, restarting
[12:12] <Riddell> crimsun: hang on
[12:12] <Riddell> crimsun: new CD images are up
[12:12] <Knowerrors> Red-Sox: IMHO its better to do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:12] <crimsun> Riddell: yep, just saw in -devel
[12:12] <Riddell> crimsun: sync against current one with rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso .
[12:12] <Red-Sox> IMHO?
[12:13] <Red-Sox> what is taht
[12:13] <Red-Sox> that*
[12:13] <l3m> _snake: hmm just experience, i guess. i saw gcc 3.4 was missing ( complaint in log ) and used "apt-cache search gcc 3.4 | less " to find the correct package name
[12:13] <Knowerrors> in my humle opinion ;)
[12:13] <Riddell> ** flight-1 CD testers needed http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051118.3/
[12:13] <l3m> Knowerrors: hmm dunno i have a input actions setting there... 
[12:14] <Knowerrors> l3m: where exactly? the side bar of konqueror, or in the window as an icon?
[12:15] <_snake> l3m: How do I properly stop and restart the X server?
[12:18] <_snake> brb
[12:18] <l3m> Knowerrors: K Menu->System Settings->Region & Access...-> Input Actions
[12:19] <l3m> ok, gotta go, my gf is threatening me .. nice evening everyone
[12:25] <jmg> guys anyone know how to fix amaroK segfault on startup?
[12:28] <kkathman> later peeps :)
[12:30] <Blissex> jmg: vague question, and ask in #amaroK
[12:30] <Tm_T> :/
[12:36] <lwizardl> hi
[12:37] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting the nvidia drivers working
[12:37] <crimsun> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:44] <LeeJunFan> anybody with up to date RC1 get ktorrent to work?
[12:47] <Knowerrors> Anyone know how to edit the "System Places" menu next to K menu?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: it's just an applet, so you can add or remove it - not sure about editing it
[12:48] <lwizardl> ok how do i get to the package manager in the newest kubuntu i586 (used install cd)
[12:48] <lwizardl> i don't see whats listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SynapticHowto
[12:48] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: so the menu item icons can't be changed?  The one for "Settings" is screwed up
[12:49] <Red-Sox> how do you set a new toppic?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: where is this setting box?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Red-Sox: you dont, it's probably locked anyway :P
[12:50] <Knowerrors> This is the menu on Kicker right next to the K menu
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: yep, got that
[12:50] <Hobbsee> oh...yes, i see
[12:51] <Knowerrors> has 5 entries... trash, settings, home, storage media
[12:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, you should be able to replace that
[12:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, give me a sec
[12:51] <Knowerrors> and clicking on settings, brings up a far different window than going to (K) > Settings
[12:51] <Knowerrors> ok
[12:52] <Knowerrors> lwizardl: go to [K]  > System > Adept to bring up the package manager
[12:53] <Knowerrors> After that, you can use it to install Synaptic Package Manager, it has more features and power, but is harder to use than Adept
[12:53] <lwizardl> Knowerrors: ok because the guide calleds it "Synaptic Package Manager"
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: if you can find where the icon is, you can change it just like you can change the kmenu icon
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: usually in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps
[12:54] <Knowerrors> lwizardl: Thats for ubuntu, kubuntu uses Adept
[12:54] <Hobbsee> then restart kde, and it'll be there
[12:54] <Knowerrors> ok Hobbsee , looking now
[12:54] <Hobbsee> i couldnt find that icon there though...
[12:54] <Hobbsee> not sure why...
[12:54] <lwizardl> ok so is there a guide for the nvidia install for K
[12:55] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: does yours have the same problem with that icon launching the messed up settings window?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: i dont see a "system" option as part of the system menu
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> omg, downloading from cdimages for dvd images of kubuntu and ubuntu, going to take over a day for each one, and torrent is SLOWER.
[12:57] <Knowerrors> settings, not system
[12:57] <lwizardl> ok do i need to restart my system
[01:02] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: why so slow?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: no settings here either...
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: I dunno, I can download cd iso's from us.releases.ubuntu.com at well over 300KBs.
[01:03] <Knowerrors> mine has a settings entry under the system places menu (next to K menu on kicker) but clicking it brings up something different
[01:03] <Knowerrors> but I'll prob just remove it and make my own menu in its place :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:04] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: or LeeJunFan or anyone- how do you display the "Debian" menu under [K]  menu that shows all installed programs?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: there's probably nothing in it
[01:05] <Knowerrors> yeah, thats correct
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: add something in there with the menu editor, and it will show
[01:05] <Knowerrors> is there a way to auto populate it... ?
[01:15] <kairu0> hey all
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[01:16] <kairu0> Hobbsee
[01:16] <LeeJunFan> hi kairu0
[01:17] <kairu0> hey lee
[01:17] <kairu0> what you up to Hobbsee and LeeJunFan 
[01:17] <Hobbsee> looking at ksmoothdock here
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> saving the world one kubuntu user at a time :)
[01:18] <kairu0> lol
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:19] <kairu0> ksmoothdock is... an osx style running app dock?
[01:19] <kairu0> just a guess
[01:19] <kairu0> i'm job hunting hehe
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> oh, that and waiting for my slow downloads of DVD images of kub and ubuntu, it's like watching a stampede of turtles through chunky peanut butter.
[01:20] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: tried kroller.sez? or kxdocker?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> no, and no
[01:21] <kairu0> are both of you on 3.5b1?
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> I am.
[01:22] <kairu0> cool
[01:22] <kairu0> i was going to install it but it said it'd use 250mb extra
[01:22] <kairu0> i have no idea why
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: probably still got all the debugging info in it.
[01:23] <kairu0> i see
[01:23] <Hobbsee> kairu0: 3.5 rc1
[01:24] <Riddell> ** testers for flight-1 live CD candidate needed http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051119/
[01:25] <beefsprocket> Riddell: I assume the same be acheived with apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:25] <beefsprocket> today I mean?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!
[01:26] <Hobbsee> flight-1?
[01:26] <Riddell> beefsprocket: yes but that's no use to me just now, I need people to test these CDs
[01:26] <Hobbsee> what is it?
[01:26] <kairu0> hmmm Riddell...isnt that the name of a Fedora lead developer?
[01:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is that a volunteer?
[01:26] <kairu0> or was it suse ;)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: perhaps, is it a live cd, or what?
[01:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: flight-1 /candidate/ is the first dapper testing CD
[01:27] <Hobbsee> ah...
[01:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: both live and install need testing
[01:27] <Hobbsee> Niomi: read Riddell's announcement
[01:27] <Riddell> kairu0: I certainly hope not
[01:27] <Hobbsee> seeing as i've already dist upgraded there lol...and i must go fix it...
[01:27] <kairu0> hehe
[01:29] <Hobbsee> grr...gotta love people who fall idle...
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i do know someone who will probably test it for you - she was planning to install breezy on a separate partition today, and dist upgrade
[01:33] <Hobbsee> kairu0: try kubuntu lead developer :P
[01:35] <Ahmuck>  Hobbsee test what.  i have several testing system
 ** testers for flight-1 live CD candidate needed http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051119/
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Ahmuck: see above
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: let me go see if i can fix my buggered permissions on dapper, and if i find i have to reinstall, i'll grab the install cd off there, and test that for you
[01:38] <Hobbsee> instead of dist upgrading again
[01:40] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: both of the docker bars I mentioned seem alot better than ksmoothdock
[01:40] <kdohash> Hola ...
[01:40] <Knowerrors> kroller.sez is mentioned in kubuntu forums
[01:41] <Niomi> riddell: oh! me! me! don't leave without me XD (i was away for a bit)
[01:41] <Riddell> Niomi: XD?
[01:41] <Niomi> oh! i want to test! *wiggle*
[01:42] <Riddell> 00:36 < Hobbsee> <Riddell> ** testers for flight-1 live CD candidate needed
[01:42] <Riddell>                  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051119/
[01:42] <Riddell> also install CD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/20051118.3/
[01:42] <Niomi> thank you!
[01:42] <Riddell> double points for anyone with a ppc
[01:42] <Niomi> now i get to find out if my CD burner works
[01:43] <nalioth> Riddell: are you speaking to me?
[01:43] <Niomi> :D
[01:45] <Niomi> oooh java. can't live with it, can't live without it
[01:45] <Riddell> nalioth: if you want to help test I am
[01:46] <Niomi> java does run better in linux than windows, though
[01:47] <Niomi> blarg, i couldn't. just for azureus alone. i'm sure there are others that i'm not thinking of at the moment
[01:47] <nalioth> Riddell: i just happen to have a spare ppc machine i can install on every day
[01:48] <Riddell> nalioth: please do!
[01:49] <Hobbsee> device /dev/dsp cant be opened - permission denied - what do i do?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> it's the sound server
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you may well get lucky yet lol
[01:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: join the audio group
[01:49] <Hobbsee> thought i did, but i'll check it
[01:50] <angrykeyboarder> Pardon moi, but what does "Admin mode fix in breezy- and hoary-updates" mean?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, that username does have "audio" ticked
[01:50] <Riddell> angrykeyboarder: there was a nasty beastie that's been fixed in breezy-updates
[01:51] <angrykeyboarder> uhhh... ok....
[01:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: run groups on the command line to find out if it really is in the audio group
[01:51] <Niomi> i just had a sudden unexplainable craving for spagetti o's ...
[01:51] <angrykeyboarder> eeew
[01:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ls -l /dev/dsp
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it shows as being there
[01:52] <Hobbsee> says it's owned by root
[01:52] <Riddell> should be  crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-11-18 01:23 /dev/dsp
[01:52] <Hobbsee> different time and date, but yeah
[01:53] <Hobbsee> it shows that
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i give up lol - how big's this cd?
[01:53] <kairu0> this is probably a common question but i had some bad permissions and it made some of my folders not get imported into amarok. is there a button to force a reload of the collection folder?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> if i've got problems with that, goodness knows what other problems i'll have
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> kairu0: can you just hit toos->rescan collection?
[01:55] <chaoticgeek> yummm... pizza is good
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> s/toos/tools
[01:57] <kairu0> LeeJunFan, theres the button! thnkx
[01:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 650Megs
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is the one i'm looking for 627mb, at /kubuntu/daily/current?
[01:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[01:58] <Hobbsee> darn irssi that wont let me copy paste!
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ok, cool
[01:58] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/20051118.3/dapper-install-i386.iso
[01:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it won't?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> nice - i'll reboot back to breezy
[01:58] <Hobbsee> well, it probably will, but i havent figured out how to
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> dammit, here I am complaining about slow dl speeds already and Riddell has to go and tell everyone to hit the servers and dl an iso :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:58] <Riddell> nalioth: are you going to test the CDs?
[01:59] <nalioth> Riddell: downloading it now for testing on a ibook G4 1.25ghz
[01:59] <Riddell> nalioth: install and live?
[01:59] <nalioth> i didnt see a live image
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh well, rebooting here
[02:00] <Riddell> nalioth: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051119/dapper-live-powerpc.iso
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the chances that "reboot" will actually work on my machine in dapper?
[02:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: select text, middle click to paste
[02:00] <Hobbsee> if i install by the install cd, then not dist upgrade
[02:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dapper install is working great for me on amd64
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no middle click - this is just in a terminal
[02:01] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:01] <nalioth> got it Riddell, i'll test the livecd on my G5 20" imac
[02:01] <Riddell> nalioth: wonderful :)
[02:03] <chaoticgeek> 20 inch Imac
[02:03] <chaoticgeek> that must be nice
[02:03] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: it sucks. Ubuntu wont run on it til dapper 
[02:04] <chaoticgeek> but it looks nice
[02:04] <chaoticgeek> I'd love a 20 inch screen
[02:05] <chaoticgeek> not an imac, but a 20 inch lcd
[02:05] <chaoticgeek> I hope to get a decent laptop sometime 
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: link please?  i can now download this thing
[02:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/20051118.3/dapper-install-i386.iso
[02:08] <angrykeyboarder> I had nothing but problems when I attempted a dist-upgrade to dapper a week or so ago.  I'm sure it's less buggy by the day.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> thankyou
[02:08] <Riddell> angrykeyboarder: don't expect that to last, c++ transition coming up as soon as flight-1 is done
[02:09] <angrykeyboarder> flight-1 ?
[02:10] <Riddell> angrykeyboarder: this CD release we are testing, feel free to join
[02:10] <libben> any good direct connect client to prefer?
[02:10] <angrykeyboarder> oic.  I've had enough of testing stuff lately, I'll settle for recent, yet stable for a while. :-)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> angrykeyboarder: how borign!
[02:11] <angrykeyboarder> heh
[02:11] <gupta> Can anybody tell me the default runlevels for atd and rsync
[02:11] <gupta> by firing sysv-rc-conf
[02:12] <Riddell> gupta: runlevels are whatever you set them to
[02:12] <nalioth> libben: there are only 2. a console and gui client  try dcgui
[02:12] <angrykeyboarder> I decided to try Debian on for size last week. It got ugly quickly.  However, they do have a nice GUI installer in the works.  I hope K/Ubuntu adopts one eventually as well.
[02:12] <gupta> Yes, i know. the thing is i messed up and i want to revert back to defaults
[02:12] <libben> nalioth: ok.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> give me a break....
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: something tells me that i might not get to test today
[02:13] <Hobbsee> not downloading from windows, anyway
[02:14] <angrykeyboarder> aah, my buddy peer is up to  his old tricks  I see..
[02:14] <libben> btw, i downloaded azureus the latest version, and i dont need to install it cause its a java program. but if i want it to be seen globally so i dont need to type ./azureus in terminal everytime i want to start it. can i create a symlink to ./azureus in my ~/bin folder?
[02:14] <angrykeyboarder> sure, why not?
[02:15] <nalioth> libben: always isntall things in /usr/local/bin
[02:15] <chaoticgeek> cant you copy it to /usr/local/bin?
[02:15] <libben> nalioth: its nothing to install, just untar it.
[02:15] <chaoticgeek> then you could go azureus and it would be a command to run from there
[02:15] <libben> and then ./azureus
[02:15] <chaoticgeek> just copy azureus to /usr/local/bin
[02:15] <nalioth> libben: i understand. but locally installed things should always go in /usr/local/bin/
[02:16] <libben> ok. so what? just copy the whole folder to there? and it would been globaly aftern next restart?
[02:16] <chaoticgeek> libben: even though you dont "install" it, you should still copy it to /usr/local/bin
[02:16] <angrykeyboarder> I thought that was what "/opt" was for.
[02:16] <chaoticgeek> I belive so, if not the azureus program to stright to /usr/local/bin
[02:16] <nalioth> libben: after you copy it to the dir, you'll need to whip out your kde menu editor and make an entry
[02:17] <chaoticgeek> there is also a package in apt-get to get azureus
[02:17] <nalioth> angrykeyboarder: you can use /opt if you like, the traditional tree is /usr/local/bin
[02:17] <Hobbsee> preferred client to download cd's is?
[02:17] <libben> chaoticgeek: not upto date in the repos. and if u try to update it wont work. wich is very odd
[02:18] <angrykeyboarder> I either use wget or ncftp
[02:18] <Delvien> Anyone know of a way to have THE GIMP , select 1 specific layer, ????
[02:18] <Hobbsee> downloading...
[02:19] <angrykeyboarder> no but they might on #gimp. ;-)
[02:19] <libben> nalioth: but after i copied it to usr/local/bin it will bee globally after next reboot? so i can just type azur and hit tab in terminal and it will pop
[02:19] <Delvien> i am trying no one is responingd
[02:19] <Riddell> Delvien: choose it in the layers dialogue
[02:19] <angrykeyboarder> I probably know 1/5 of what you can do with that program.
[02:20] <nalioth> libben: you said you didnt want to type in the terminal to start it
[02:21] <Hobbsee> wget is nice!
[02:21] <Hobbsee> 4% done
[02:21] <libben> nalioth: i dont want to type program/azureuse/./azureus
[02:22] <libben> i just want it to be globally. so i just need to type azureus. and make a menu entry for it also
[02:22] <nalioth> libben: that should work fine
[02:22] <nalioth> Hobbsee: pssst prozilla
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ah, was wondering if one of them existed
[02:23] <Delvien> Riddell In the layers Tab? or is there a window im missing?
[02:23] <nalioth> Hobbsee: one of what?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> download accelerator
[02:24] <Hobbsee> getting it...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: now you're talking!
[02:32] <chaoticgeek> lol
[02:41] <Riddell> nalioth: what does this prozilla do to accellarate downloads?
[02:42] <nalioth> Riddell: it is a multithreaded and multiserver downloader
[02:42] <nalioth> Riddell: you can hit one server with multiple threads or it will search for the same file on multiple servers and send a thread each to them
[02:43] <chaoticgeek> yep
[02:45] <nalioth> Riddell: if you find a fast ubuntu mirror (ubuntu.com doesnt accept multiple connections) i've downloaded iso images in less than 20min on my us/texas cable modem
[02:48] <Ahmuck> support bit torrent.  set it to go, go to bed, and wake up in the morning
[02:48] <Hobbsee_away> guess i'd better find a cd...pity the install takes a little longer than the download now!
[02:48] <_judith> I connect my usb camera and I get the error "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:"...How do I solve this issue?
[02:49] <nalioth> Ahmuck: bittorrrent doesnt work on dapper powerpc daily images
[02:49] <Ahmuck> ah, r there lot's of peeps that download it?  can you create a torrent file for the daily image ?
[02:51] <kairu0> is there a repo for kde styles?
[02:53] <nalioth> Ahmuck: you can create a torrent file for anything, but the odds of anyone being on a specific daily are very high against
[03:00] <DjGerhardt> Anybody here have some experience with PHP security?
[03:07] <^judith> kairu0: kde-look.org
[03:08] <kairu0> ^judith, i mean a apt repo
[03:10] <jsefija> wowww
[03:10] <^judith> none I know of!
[03:11] <kairu0> ok thnkx
[03:11] <kairu0> jsefija, what r u wowing about
[03:12] <jsefija> nothing i just arrived to the channel and the server kick me out
[03:12] <jsefija> it sais that he has alots of loads
[03:13] <jsefija> sorry about my english
[03:13] <kairu0> no prob
[03:13] <kairu0> where are you from
[03:14] <jsefija> from cantabria a country in spain
[03:14] <nalioth> there may be spanish people in #kubuntu-es o #ubuntu-es
[03:15] <jsefija> yes i know it but the computer world is in english
[03:15] <jsefija> and i must learn
[03:16] <jsefija> and you??
[03:17] <nalioth> soy esta Tejano
[03:18] <jsefija> oooo the country of bush
[03:19] <Ahmuck> the live cd needs a little applet that shows memory usage
[03:19] <jsefija> well i want to ask
[03:20] <jsefija> if anybody has problems when the are compilling for amd64
[03:21] <nalioth> jsefija: what kind of problems?
[03:22] <jsefija> when i execute ./configure in some "paks" gcc sais that it cant make output files 
[03:22] <kairu0> my icons use black text with a white drop shadow. is it possible to make them have white text?
[03:23] <nalioth> jsefija: have you installed "build-essential" ?
[03:23] <nalioth> kairu0: in your kde preferences, yes
[03:23] <jsefija> yes
[03:24] <kairu0> nalioth, i cant find it there. what is it under?
[03:25] <nalioth> kairu0: i'm not sure on that, i do know it's in the ctrl center
[03:25] <Ahmuck> kubuntu-live is crashing on me
[03:26] <Hobbsee_away> back
[03:27] <nalioth> Hobbsee: kairu0 has a question, i'm unsure of
[03:27] <Hobbsee> kairu0: what's your question?
[03:28] <nalioth> Hobbsee: look up a couple sentences from him
[03:28] <Hobbsee> kairu0: should be there
[03:28] <Hobbsee> under themes
[03:28] <Hobbsee> no, appearance, colours
[03:29] <kairu0> colours? hmm
[03:29] <kairu0> ok im in colors
[03:30] <kairu0> theres no 'icon text' in the list...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it may just be a part of "standard text"
[03:31] <kairu0> hmmm nope
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: burnt cd, off to test
[03:31] <Hobbsee> not sure, try asking in #kde if no one else knows
[03:31] <kairu0> this black text is becoming a problem becuz i use dark bg images
[03:31] <kairu0> cool thnkx
[03:33] <kairu0> i think i can do it in kcontrol but is it safe to run that?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:34] <Hobbsee> i assume so
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hmmm...cd didnt burn
[03:34] <Hobbsee> that wasnt nice of it
[03:35] <jsubl2> what are you burnin
[03:35] <Hobbsee> daily cd of dapper to go test
[03:36] <Hobbsee> jsubl2:  ** testers for flight-1 live CD candidate needed http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/20051119/
[03:36] <Tm_T> what's flight
[03:36] <jsubl2> which they need the most i386 or amd64 i can go either way
[03:36] <crimsun> flight is the codename for the milestone set
[03:36] <Tm_T> ok
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: <jsubl2> which they need the most i386 or amd64 i can go either way
[03:37] <JoeBu> anyone know the major differences between a "server" install or a regular breezy install (besides the desktop) ?
[03:38] <JoeBu> im thinking of adding another partition to do some testing with LAMP
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: try amd64, i guess - havent heard of anyone testing that one yet
[03:38] <tarheelcoxn> I thought that _was_ the difference
[03:38] <Hobbsee> burning the i386 to cd now
[03:38] <JoeBu> is that all?
[03:39] <jsubl2> ok Hobbsee 
[03:39] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: dunno... let's ask somebody else
[03:39] <Riddell> jsubl2: either is useful
[03:39] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: d'you ask in #ubuntu already?
[03:39] <JoeBu> not yet
[03:40] <JoeBu> not sure i wanna talk to those gnomes...lol...just kiddin
[03:40] <jsubl2> these are only live cd's you can't install from these right
[03:40] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: go up a couple of pages, there's an install cd
[03:41] <Hobbsee> it's the one that says "daily"
[03:41] <kairu0> Hobbsee, are your desktop icons white texted?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> no desktop icons here
[03:41] <JoeBu> u beat me there tarheel...good job
[03:41] <tarheelcoxn> :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yay, kubuntu sees that there's something actually on the cd this time!
[03:42] <jsubl2> ok got it.. gonna go the 386 route so maybe the multimedia will work.  i know it wont with amd64
[03:42] <jsubl2> or would bet on it rather
[03:45] <Hobbsee> lol ok
[03:45] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: you were looking at something like http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10 ?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> 98% done...
[03:45] <jsubl2> Hobbsee: anything specific we testing for or
[03:46] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: not sure, Riddell didnt say - just that it works, i think - so the usual
[03:46] <JoeBu> tarheel: let me check it out real quick
[03:46] <Hobbsee> test everything and see what breaks
[03:47] <JoeBu> tarheel: what i was looking at was http://www.umasslug.org/index.php/Drupal_on_ubuntu_server
[03:47] <Riddell> jsubl2, Hobbsee: yes, just that it installs/runs and is sane
[03:47] <jsubl2> ok 
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, will check - about to boot with it
[03:48] <jsubl2> i like testing stuff
[03:48] <Hobbsee> me too!
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i'd prefer not killing off my system too much though lol
[03:48] <Hobbsee> we'll see if it manages to detect my eth0 cable again...
[03:48] <jsubl2> boot up old disk and type rescue.. 
[03:49] <Hobbsee> that's an idea - never had to do that yet
[03:49] <jsubl2> i will put this on a partition that is not being used.  I got 20gig to spare
[03:49] <Hobbsee> wish i could run irssi all throughout the install, not just for the last bit!
[03:49] <jsubl2> i can switch to mac mini if desperate
[03:50] <Hobbsee> ah well, back soon i hope!
[03:50] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: I must read more on this Drupal business
[03:50] <jsubl2> good luck
[03:50] <tarheelcoxn> :)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> i'll see if i can "borrow" the study computer, and install some form of IRC client on there
[03:50] <Hobbsee> any suggestions?
[03:50] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: do you have any experience with apt-get or its cousin, aptitude?
[03:50] <jsubl2> xchat 
[03:50] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: if so, you'll have no problem with the server install
[03:50] <JoeBu> yeah, i am runnin kubuntu now
[03:50] <jsubl2> konversation
[03:50] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: nah, windows ones
[03:51] <jsubl2> xchat has a windows vers
[03:51] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: and not chatzilla, cos that requires firefox
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:51] <kairu0> Hobbsee, found it! Desktop -> Advanced Options
[03:51] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:51] <nalioth> Hobbsee: chatzilla can use mozilla or firefox as a support program
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nalioth: yeah, but chatzilla cant be used without either mozilla or firefox, can it?
[03:52] <JoeBu> tarheel: I attempted to install drupal and had some probs....thought i would dedicate an install to my testing so i dont bork up my main partition to bad :)
[03:52] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: hehe
[03:52] <tarheelcoxn> JoeBu: good luck
[03:52] <nalioth> Hobbsee: it requires one or the other
[03:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, well i cant really download either of them
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:53] <Massacration> hi evyone
[03:53] <JoeBu> tarheel: how are u guys automatically sending my name ahead of your message to me
[03:53] <Massacration> could somebody help me
[03:53] <JoeBu> using konversation or xchat?
[03:54] <jsubl2> Massacration: you have to ask a question.  do not ask to ask
[03:54] <Hobbsee> start typign the name you want, then hit tab to complete it
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ah well, off i go
[03:54] <JoeBu> Hobbsee: ah, learn somethin new everyday
[03:54] <JoeBu> :P
[03:56] <Massacration> ok, so why can t I use de sound with 2 different programs a the same time?
[03:56] <JoeBu> tarheelcoxn: i thought i had registered already..not ablet to reply 
[03:57] <jsubl2> Massacration: which 2 programs
[03:57] <Massacration> any program
[03:57] <jsubl2> arts
[03:57] <jsubl2> using arts for sound Massacration 
[03:57] <Massacration> I can only play sounds with one program at time
[03:57] <Massacration> yes im using arts
[03:58] <jsubl2> Massacration: i dunno
[03:59] <Massacration> so cant u gimme a tip so what can i do ?
[03:59] <jsubl2> i think gnome's sound daemon can't take multiple inputs.. but with arts i think you would have to go to one of the other backends.. try asking on #kde
[04:00] <jsubl2> Massacration: i think gnome's sound daemon can take multiple inputs.. but with arts i think you would have to go to one of the other backends.. try asking on #kde
[04:01] <Massacration> thanks, but now i see that im using alsa instead oof arts
[04:02] <kairu0> Massacration, alsa requires its dmix plugin to play multiple inputs simultaneously
[04:02] <Massacration> and how can I download this? 
[04:02] <nxv_> hi, i use squirrel and there is a calender option. how can i get my kontact calender geht synced to my imaps callender to have my dates on the web?
[04:02] <kairu0> Massacration, you already have it installed. you just have to enable it by adding something to a config file in /etc
[04:03] <Massacration> ok
[04:04] <kairu0> Massacration, read this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84762&highlight=dmix
[04:04] <Massacration> thanks
[04:05] <Massacration> can I use OSS instead of ALSA?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: still in the install here, seems to be going pretty well though :)
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: cool
[04:31] <Riddell> nalioth: how's the CD testing?
[04:35] <nalioth> Riddell: just firing ups the live one now
[04:37] <nalioth> i'll do the install on my ibook at work tomorrow
[04:39] <workingmansdead> Hey everyone, I somehow set everything in my system folder to open with VLC Media Player, and now I cannot get into any folders. Please help
[04:40] <nalioth> Riddell: the liveCD puts the imac G5 2.0ghz back to a openfirmware prompt
[04:41] <jsubl2> Riddell: it installs.. looks good so far.  sound server crashed.. checking that out
[04:43] <Riddell> nalioth: hmm, not good
[04:44] <BlankC> whois /clark
[04:45] <Riddell> nalioth: do you get yaboot?
[04:47] <nalioth> i got to the part where it says to pick my kernel or just hit enter, then boom to the open firmware
[04:51] <mrmarcel> gn8 :)
[04:52] <Riddell> nalioth: hmm, thanks anyway
[04:53] <Riddell> jsubl2: x86 install?
[04:53] <jsubl2> lookin good.. had to reconfigure arts is all so far.
[04:54] <Riddell> jsubl2: great, thanks
[04:54] <Riddell> jsubl2: reconfigure in what way?
[04:54] <jsubl2> sound server daemon crashed on initial login..
[04:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what for?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> dont ask lol
[04:56] <Hobbsee> PEBKAC error
[04:56] <jsubl2> lol
[04:56] <Hobbsee> at least, dont ask it till i fix it, and can then laugh at my own stupidity
[04:57] <Riddell> 04:00, spose it's time for bed
[04:57] <Riddell> thanks for the help everyone
[04:57] <jsubl2> np
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nah, not yet lol
[04:57] <Hobbsee> no problems
[04:57] <Riddell> and extra points to whoever tests ppc install first
[04:57] <jmg> ok, thats cool
[04:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:57] <jmg> i can see my gf's webcam now i upgraded to 3.5
[04:57] <Hobbsee> pity i dont have one, otherwise i would
[04:58] <Hobbsee> hey, maybe i didnt screw it too badly...
[04:58] <jsubl2> i thought nalioth was testing that
[04:58] <Hobbsee> seems ok
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: added universe repositories and all that, and changed to gb mirrors
[04:58] <jsubl2> jmg: what is the url
[04:58] <Hobbsee> then forgot to change breezy to dapper, for the list i was workign off
[04:58] <Hobbsee> wondered why there were so many updates!
[04:58] <Hobbsee> sheesh...
[04:58] <jmg> jsubl2: through kopete, on msn
[04:58] <jsubl2> ooo lol
[04:59] <beefsprocket> anyone have troubles with perl's IPTables::IPv4 module on amd64? I cannot get it to compile
[04:59] <jsubl2> jmg: cool which version of kde you running
[05:00] <beefsprocket> pastebin here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435047
[05:05] <workingmansdead> Hey everyone, I somehow set everything in my system folder to open with VLC Media Player, and now I cannot get into any folders. Please help
[05:08] <NSK> how to login as root (su) in Kubuntu live DVD 5.10? what password to type?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> NSK: do you need to?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> not sure if there is a password for it
[05:09] <NSK> I get permission denied
[05:10] <NSK> well if there is no root in live DVD, how to ifdown and ifup then ?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> true
[05:11] <apokryphos> !sudo
[05:11] <ubotu> I guess sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:12] <nalioth> NSK: you use "sudo ifup" and it just works
[05:12] <beefsprocket> ok question, is perl on amd64 compiled with -fpic? anyone know?
[05:12] <NSK> ok that works thanks
[05:12] <PokerFacePenguin> PokerFacePenguin is on ice for a while
[05:42] <ghostpsalm> I am trying to make menuconfig, and it requires that I install ncurses, I currently have the packages installed, and it still won't work?
[05:43] <beefsprocket> I think you need ncurses-dev
[05:44] <ghostpsalm> Oh, cool - I ran 'apt-cache search ncurses', and it did not have that package listed; it's downloading now - thanks!
[05:44] <beefsprocket> np
[05:44] <beefsprocket> enjoy your spiffy new kerne;
[05:44] <ghostpsalm> That is what apt-cache search is for no?  Finding availiable packages?
[05:45] <kkathman> ghostpsalm: yes
[05:46] <beefsprocket> I think ncurses-dev may be a metapackage for libncurses5-dev?
[05:47] <eddel> Anybody if something changed recently with fonts?  On my Kubuntu 5.10 installation, emacs/xemacs don't display text in a readble form anymore. Everything else is still fine.
[05:52] <chaoticgeek> crap
[05:53] <kkathman> Hi there LeeJunFan :)
[05:53] <chaoticgeek> I'm having problems still with applications quitting and not being able to come back.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> hey.
[05:53] <chaoticgeek> amarok still will quit after a while and I can not load it back up again. I just did a fresh reinstall and update
[05:54] <locomorto> can you run it in a terminal to see if it spits an error message?
[05:54] <chaoticgeek> nope it just sits there
[05:54] <eddel> chaoticgeek: Did you check that it doesn't linger in the background?  ps or pstree?
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> chaoticgeek: yeah, killall -9 amarok
[05:55] <LeeJunFan> chaoticgeek: then see if it'll start back up.
[05:56] <chaoticgeek> I just did killall -9 amarok
[05:56] <damnhil> I am running Kubuntu 5.10 Breezy on IBM thinkpad T30. Everythings works fine except the fact that I don't know how to query the content of a package in the repository or from a file (.deb). I was a Fedora user. In Fedora or any RPM based distribution, users can do rpm -qlpi FILENAME.rpm to query the files that will be installed on the system. Can I do this in ubuntu? Please help me.
[05:56] <chaoticgeek> but it still does not start up...
[05:57] <arnducky> Good evening (/morning/afternoon) all.
[05:57] <eddel> damnhil: 'dpkg -L bash' shows the files installed with the bash package.  'dpkg -c foo_1.2-3_i386.deb' looks inside the deb.
[05:57] <eddel> damnhil: And remember, there are things called manual pages, web sites, even books :)
[05:58] <chaoticgeek> I just found out that I have to killall -9 amarokapp also or else it wont start up
[05:58] <chaoticgeek> now I got it back up
[05:58] <arnducky> How do I disable sudo in kubuntu without breaking it (when I use the Administrative Access widgets in kde applets, I want to run them as root directly by using my root password)?
[05:59] <damnhil> eddel, great! It works. But how can I do the same query remotely on the repositories?
[05:59] <LeeJunFan> arnducky: just set a root passwd, ie . sudo passwd root
[05:59] <damnhil> chaoticgeek why did u kill amarok?
[05:59] <chaoticgeek> because it was not loading up and I could not access it 
[05:59] <arnducky> chaoticgeek, if it runs as a daemon, yoiu might try looking for an init.d script in /etc/init.d/armarok  (i.e. 'start'or 'restart').
[05:59] <eddel> damnhil: Not directly. Some add-on tools may do it, it think wajig [ great package, btw, and I used to be the maintainer :) ]  does it using a remote listing.
[06:00] <damnhil> Ubuntu 5.10 users have been complaining about the "administrator mode" failure in the KDE "system settings" Does anyone know any solution?
[06:00] <chaoticgeek> ya you need to update
[06:00] <LeeJunFan> see the topic
[06:00] <chaoticgeek> I forget which package speficaly
[06:01] <arnducky> LeeJunFan, I have set the root password by booting in recovery mode and running 'passwd' from tty1.  I don't understand quite what I need to do.  Do you mean edit the sudoers shadow file to put my root password in there too?
[06:02] <chaoticgeek> I hate the first blast of cold weather
[06:02] <arnducky> The system works fine.  (I can use all the widgets).  I just want more security if possible.
[06:02] <LeeJunFan> arnducky: what is it you want to do with the root password?
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> back in a few.
[06:03] <arnducky> I said above: but I'll try to clarify: I want to use priveleged kde apps (as if I had called them from an su shell)
[06:03] <arnducky> cu
[06:08] <snake> Does anyone know how to restart a "X Server"??
[06:08] <snake> (stop then restart)
[06:08] <snake> !xserver
[06:08] <ubotu> Not a clue, snake
[06:08] <snake> Ugh.
[06:09] <chaoticgeek> ctrl alt backspace
[06:09] <chaoticgeek> it restarts x
[06:09] <chaoticgeek> snake: 
[06:10] <chaoticgeek> although from my reinstall my sound is a lot better
[06:10] <snake> I am trying to install videocards
[06:10] <snake> my videocard**
[06:10] <chaoticgeek> before it was always a lil static like, and now it sounds much better
[06:11] <chaoticgeek> ya ctrl alt backspace should do it
[06:11] <chaoticgeek> kinda like ctrl alt del in windows would do the box to stop process, well ctrl alt backspace restarts x
[06:12] <snake> Alright
[06:12] <snake> Hmm now would I register this nick.. :)
[06:12] <locomorto> /nickserv help register
[06:13] <Snake> Damn it's already owned :(
[06:13] <locomorto> :P
[06:14] <Samudio> is kubuntu for childrens?
[06:15] <Samudio> a linux version for childs?
[06:15] <locomorto> no
[06:15] <locomorto> try edubuntu
[06:15] <Samudio> so what it is?
[06:15] <Samudio> i tried ubunto
[06:15] <Samudio> but not KuBuNTu
[06:15] <locomorto> Well it can be used by children, its not aimed at children though
[06:15] <locomorto> kde can be more complicated then gnome at times as wel
[06:15] <Snake> I wouldn't let a kid use it, it's to complicated....
[06:16] <Samudio> IT IS?
[06:16] <locomorto> Snake, stop s[readinf FUD
[06:16] <locomorto> spreading*
[06:16] <Samudio> whats the diference / ubunto and kubuntu
[06:16] <locomorto> ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde
[06:16] <locomorto> you can install kde in ubuntu
[06:16] <locomorto> and vice-versa
[06:16] <Samudio> lol
[06:16] <chaoticgeek> or gnome in kubntu
[06:16] <Samudio> Thats it?
[06:16] <Snake> :) It would be to hard for a kid to figure out, I wouldn't recommend for anyone under 12 personally....
[06:17] <Samudio> kubuntu is KDE?
[06:17] <Samudio> thats all?
[06:17] <chaoticgeek> I was 14 when I first experimented with linux
[06:17] <Snake> Yes, diffrent layout and programs
[06:17] <Samudio> ya
[06:17] <Samudio> kde stuff
[06:17] <Samudio> right
[06:17] <locomorto> Snake: a child under 12 probably hasn't used windows much before
[06:17] <locomorto> to them theres no difference
[06:17] <Sonny_Wertzik> hi.
[06:17] <locomorto> Also children are much adept at learning new things
[06:17] <Samudio> it will be better if they used when they are under 12..
[06:18] <Snake> Okay whatever your call.....your kid
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> uses many kde componets, such as kmail, konquror, amarok, k3b burning gui 
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> and such
[06:18] <Samudio> i see
[06:18] <Snake> All I know is i'm trying to get this videocard installed since 3 pm and it's now 12 AM..... :-D
[06:18] <Samudio> lol
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> you having fun with that Snake 
[06:18] <chaoticgeek> ?
[06:18] <Snake> A ton....
[06:19] <Snake> I am ready to blow my head off.
[06:19] <locomorto> Snake: its not THAT hard
[06:19] <Sonny_Wertzik> anybody here using that new version of amarok called airbourne?
[06:19] <locomorto> Snake: use the repo version
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> Snake: what are you trying to do?
[06:19] <Snake> locomorto: Well I have yet to get it to work...
[06:19] <jmg> mine crashes
[06:19] <jmg> segfault
[06:19] <jmg> amarok
[06:19] <Samudio> whats the lates version of kubuntu?
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> whats the version number?
[06:19] <chaoticgeek> 1.3?
[06:19] <Snake> 5.10 Breezy Badger
[06:19] <jmg> Samudio: breezy
[06:19] <locomorto> Snake: chnage the driver to fglrx for ati cards (or whatever it is for nvidia)
[06:19] <locomorto> restart x
[06:19] <jmg> chaoticgeek: 1.3.5
[06:19] <locomorto> and thats it
[06:19] <Samudio> jmg?
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> I have problems with it too
[06:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> u talkin to me jmg?
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> wait I have 1.3.1
[06:20] <jmg> talking to both of yes
[06:20] <Snake> locomorto: I couldn't figure out why it wasn't complieing, then I couldn't figure out how to restart x, now I Know
[06:20] <Samudio> so
[06:20] <Samudio> kubuntu
[06:20] <Samudio> its
[06:20] <Samudio> that one?
[06:20] <Samudio> ftp://us.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/kubuntu-5.10-dvd-i386.iso
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> damn, I had a very good nap
[06:20] <Samudio> right?
[06:20] <locomorto> Snake: there in the repo!
[06:20] <locomorto> Use them :)
[06:20] <Samudio> i mean thats the lates version?
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> yes that works
[06:20] <chaoticgeek> yes
[06:21] <Samudio> 5.10
[06:21] <Samudio> nice
[06:21] <chaoticgeek> I used 5.10 dvd to install this one
[06:21] <locomorto> snake: what make?
[06:21] <Samudio> i will
[06:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> does that new version have that embedded kde radio station program?
[06:21] <chaoticgeek> when it boots up you need to type install or it will boot right into live cd version
[06:22] <Samudio> is there other mirrors to download ubuntu
[06:22] <Samudio> too slow
[06:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> jmg, does that new version have that embedded kde radio station program?
[06:22] <chaoticgeek> welcome back Snake__ 
[06:22] <Snake__> Thanks, had to restart x
[06:22] <Snake__> :)
[06:22] <chaoticgeek> Kinda figured that much
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> any luck?
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> arg
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> Amarok crashed on me again
[06:23] <Snake__> ARGH>.......................
[06:23] <Snake__> Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:23] <locomorto> chaoticgeek: run memtest
[06:23] <chaoticgeek> I'll say thats a no Snake__ 
[06:24] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: Yep.
[06:24] <locomorto> Snake__ use the version in the repos
[06:24] <locomorto> what make?
[06:24] <Snake__> locomorto: I did.... I followed this page
[06:24] <chaoticgeek> I dont know if its going to be my memory, everything else runs just fine, Amarok is the only program doing that.
[06:24] <Snake__> locomorto: ATI Radeon 9600
[06:24] <Snake__> locomorto: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[06:24] <locomorto> nono
[06:24] <locomorto> follow my instructions :)
[06:25] <locomorto> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:25] <Snake__> Okay
[06:25] <Snake__> Done
[06:25] <locomorto> two secs
[06:25] <Snake__> Roger that
[06:26] <locomorto> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[06:27] <locomorto> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:27] <Samudio> does ipw220 works in kubuntu 
[06:27] <locomorto> Samudio yes
[06:27] <Samudio> ipw2200
[06:27] <Snake__> locomorto: Substitute gedit with kwrite?
[06:27] <Samudio> thannks
[06:27] <locomorto> by default :)
[06:27] <locomorto> Snake: yeah
[06:27] <locomorto> Snake: text editor of choice
[06:27] <damnhil> what's ipw2200?
[06:27] <Samudio> why ubuntu dont give free kubuntu cds as ubuntu
[06:27] <Snake__> Okay open
[06:28] <locomorto> Find the sectiont hat looks like this
[06:28] <locomorto> Section "Device"
[06:28] <locomorto> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 M10/M11 (RV350 NP)"
[06:28] <locomorto> 	Driver		"fglrx"
[06:28] <locomorto> 	Option  "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[06:28] <locomorto> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[06:28] <locomorto> EndSection
[06:28] <damnhil> why does ubuntu give out free CDs anyway. I think its stupid.
[06:28] <locomorto> replace Driver "ati"
[06:28] <locomorto> with Driver "fglrx"
[06:28] <locomorto> and add the section
[06:28] <locomorto>  Option  "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[06:28] <locomorto> save
[06:28] <locomorto> then restart x
[06:28] <damnhil> Hey I have Radeon 7500. Do I do that same?
[06:28] <locomorto> damnhill i'll check if it works
[06:28] <chaoticgeek> ubuntu does not do it, another company that supports or backs ubuntu does it.
[06:29] <Snake__> locomorto: Put it after the Bus ID String?
[06:29] <Samudio> what apps tools have kubuntu/
[06:29] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[06:29] <ubotu> que tal
[06:29] <Samudio> ubotu hey 
[06:29] <ubotu> hi, samudio
[06:29] <chaoticgeek> like what Samudio?
[06:29] <damnhil> locomorto, why did you modify xorg.conf? To enable direct rendering?
[06:29] <locomorto> Snake__: as long as it is before EndSection
[06:29] <Snake__> okay
[06:29] <locomorto> damnhill: to change the driver used
[06:30] <Samudio> i dont know, what good apps in security terms?
[06:30] <Samudio> ubotu q paso papa
[06:30] <ubotu> I don't know, Samudio
[06:30] <arnducky> I see that Konqueror is the default mime handler.  Is it the standard KDE konqueror or have you guys modded it for kubuntu?
[06:30] <damnhil> locomorto, why do u have to change?
[06:30] <chaoticgeek> Samudio: ubotu is a bot
[06:30] <Snake__> locomorto: brb, going to restart X
[06:30] <Samudio> i know
[06:30] <damnhil> Ubuntu 5.10 users have been complaining about the "administrator mode" failure in the KDE "system settings" Does anyone know any solution?
[06:30] <chaoticgeek> ok
[06:31] <locomorto> damnhill: becuase otherwise nothing will change
[06:31] <chaoticgeek> damnhil: you need to update one of the security fixes, go and run adept and look for one of the breezey updates
[06:31] <arnducky> It doesn't mention gecko, or even NCSA's mosaic in the 'About'
[06:31] <chaoticgeek> it should say something like breezey admin fix or something
[06:31] <damnhil> locomorto, I have "direct rendering: Yes" in glxinfo. Do I have to change the display driver?
[06:31] <arnducky> Did they hack it up form 'scratch'?
[06:32] <locomorto> damnhill: run fgl_glxgears
[06:32] <damnhil> chaoticgeek, how do I know if a package if a security fix and what package should I update or install to solve the "administrator mode" problem?
[06:32] <locomorto> Snake__: now run fgl_glxgears
[06:32] <damnhil> locomorto,  fgl_glxgears: command not found
[06:33] <chaoticgeek> !topic
[06:33] <locomorto> if a rotating box with gears comes up then it worked
[06:33] <damnhil> what is  fgl_glxgears ? WHat package should I install to run it?
[06:33] <locomorto> If a bunch of stuff appears in the console and no box thingy then it failed
[06:33] <Samudio> lol 2 % ubuntu it looks like ill install it tomorow
[06:33] <Samudio> :s
[06:33] <locomorto> damnhill: you don't even have the fglrx driver installed
[06:34] <locomorto> you can only get 2d acceleration from the card
[06:34] <Snake__> locomorto: It's going, and un-fu**ing believeable.
[06:34] <locomorto> np
[06:34] <Snake__> locomorto: How long should I let this run??
[06:34] <locomorto> you can close it now
[06:34] <locomorto> Thats just a test
[06:34] <chaoticgeek> damnhil: I dont rember which package it is, so you may have to go through and look
[06:34] <Snake__> locomorto: Also, why is it running so slow?? should it lag??
[06:35] <locomorto> How many frames was it putting into the console?
[06:35] <locomorto> eg something like this:
[06:35] <Snake__> Uhh hang on
[06:35] <locomorto> 1078 frames in 5.0 seconds = 215.600 FPS
[06:35] <locomorto> 1226 frames in 5.0 seconds = 245.200 FPS
[06:35] <locomorto> 1263 frames in 5.0 seconds = 252.600 FPS
[06:35] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone know if the new version of amarok called airbourne has that embedded kde radio station program?
[06:35] <Snake__> Yea
[06:35] <chaoticgeek> damnhil: press the Kde menu>System>System Update Wizard (adept updater)
[06:36] <locomorto> Snake__ how many fps was it saying though?
[06:36] <chaoticgeek> then fech updates, and commit changes, it should take you less than a half hour
[06:36] <Sonny_Wertzik> Snake__, u talkin to me?
[06:36] <Samudio> its turkix a windows version for linuxx?
[06:36] <Samudio> lol
[06:37] <chaoticgeek> mine took me about 15 minuets during the middle of the day on my university's connection which is barely faster than my grandma's dial up
[06:37] <Snake__> locomorto: I sent you a pm with the frames
[06:38] <chaoticgeek> !ati
[06:38] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:38] <chaoticgeek> that may help you Snake__ 
[06:38] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: I got it set up. locomorto is a god :-D
[06:39] <damnhil> locomorto, why did you modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf section Device to replace "ati" with "fglxr"
[06:39] <locomorto> damnhill: to change the video driver to the one that was just installed
[06:40] <locomorto> ie the one that 3d support
[06:40] <locomorto> if you don't want 3d then you don't need to do anything
[06:40] <chaoticgeek> ok Snake__ 
[06:40] <chaoticgeek> wow, amarok has been on for quite a while since I restarted it last
[06:41] <damnhil> locomorto, Does my Radeon 7500 have 3d support and should I install  xorg-driver-fglrx?
[06:41] <locomorto> chaoticgeek, run it in a terminal to see if it spits an error before it exits
[06:42] <chaoticgeek> I've tried and it never does
[06:42] <chaoticgeek> if I kill amarok and run it through the terminal it runs fine
[06:42] <damnhil> chaoticgeek, did you have that "administrator mode" problem? I am running adept updater. There are too many packages there. I don't know which one to choose to fix that problem.
[06:42] <chaoticgeek> if I dont kill it first then it just sits there for how ever long I let it sit there
[06:42] <chaoticgeek> no damnhil I just did a complet update of the system and it was fixed
[06:43] <locomorto> damnhil, install all of them :)
[06:46] <chaoticgeek> ya you can use all the updates
[06:46] <chaoticgeek> or you can go through one by one and search through them all or search kubuntu.org and find out which one it is
[06:48] <sampan> are backports being released yet?  i'm in desperate need of SCIM and the updates to kubuntu last week broke it (not just for me -- lots of posts about this)
[06:49] <chaoticgeek> no
[06:49] <sampan> :(
[06:49] <chaoticgeek> they have not worked for me yet and other people have told me to keep them commented up in the sources.list file
[06:49] <glitch> lol
[06:49] <glitch> some things never change
[06:49] <sampan> it's such an important thing for me, i may just have to reinstall 5.04
[06:49] <glitch> I remember trying to get a chanlist in 1995 
[06:49] <glitch> and not being surprised that the load was too heavy
[06:49] <glitch> 10 years later, come on.
[06:51] <chaoticgeek> well I updated amarok to 1.3.5
[06:52] <chaoticgeek> maybe that will fix it for me
[06:52] <chaoticgeek> :)
[06:52] <chaoticgeek> lol
[06:53] <chaoticgeek> ya no one wants to hear me bitch anymore
[06:53] <Snake__> lol
[06:53] <Snake__> I need a LCD moniter...
[06:53] <chaoticgeek> I'll give you an update in 3 songs, thats usualy when the icon disapeared from my system tray
[06:54] <chaoticgeek> then 2 songs after that it stopped playing
[06:56] <chaoticgeek> I'd like an LCD monitor too
[06:56] <chaoticgeek> it would give me about a square foot more of space on my tiny desk
[06:56] <chaoticgeek> I would not have to pile up all my games and movies on my gamecube
[06:57] <Snake__> lol
[06:57] <Snake__> I would like the higher res
[06:57] <Snake__> I'm stuck on a 1000x700 (rounded)
[06:57] <chaoticgeek> I would need a new video card to do that
[06:57] <Snake__> This CRT is atleast 7 years old
[06:57] <chaoticgeek> My onboard video only supports 1024x768
[06:58] <Snake__> that sucks, i'm getting a whole new system soon ( hope)
[06:58] <chaoticgeek> I just got my crt w/ my pc
[06:58] <glitch> yeah, it's pretty nice
[06:58] <glitch> http://www.glitchnyc.com/static/technology/gadgets/DellFP2.wrb
[06:58] <Snake__> Either a X1800 or a 7800
[06:58] <glitch> 1680x1050 flat panel
[06:58] <glitch> makes life much easier
[06:58] <chaoticgeek> song 3 and its still there
[06:58] <glitch> just had to throw a crap ati card in a PCI slot to get taht re
[06:58] <glitch> that res
[06:58] <glitch> Is anyone else running on a via EPIA chipset in here?
[06:59] <Snake__> nope
[06:59] <glitch> i"m getting lots of weird lagging problems with kubuntu that I wasn't seeing on fedora core
[06:59] <glitch> It seems to be a DMA problem
[06:59] <chaoticgeek> I want to get a nice lil PCI Express 16x card w/ 128 ram
[06:59] <glitch> but I can't pinpoint it
[06:59] <chaoticgeek> even though I dont do gaming on my pc
[06:59] <Snake__> Chaotic, get a X1800 with me :)
[07:00] <Snake__> lol
[07:00] <locomorto> chaoticgeek, get an nvidia one
[07:00] <locomorto> Snake__, the fglrx drivers afaik suck for X* series
[07:00] <glitch> are there open source drivers for the nvidia cards yet?
[07:00] <locomorto> nvidia make much better drivers
[07:00] <Snake__> locomorto: Oh....
[07:00] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: Then get a 7800 GT!
[07:01] <locomorto> no!
[07:01] <locomorto> get a 7800 GTX 512 !
[07:01] <locomorto> :)
[07:01] <Snake__> Even better, but he said hes not a gamer
[07:01] <Snake__> Soo :)
[07:01] <chaoticgeek> why?
[07:01] <Snake__> To enlarge your digital penis
[07:01] <Snake__> Why else.
[07:01] <chaoticgeek> I'm gonna get a nvidia card I do prefer nvidia over ati
[07:02] <Snake__> I've always liked ATI, but after I spend approx 9 hours setting up drivers...
[07:02] <Snake__> lol
[07:02] <chaoticgeek> lol
[07:02] <chaoticgeek> omg it just quit on me
[07:02] <Snake__> o no!
[07:03] <locomorto> :'(
[07:03] <chaoticgeek> Ok, I'm installing bmp
[07:03] <locomorto> rhythmbox is more amarokish
[07:03] <glitch> so does anyone else have mouse-pause / sound pause / lag problems?
[07:04] <_ubuntu> kubuntu live CD doesn't come with gparted I guess
[07:04] <locomorto> theres also juk if you want a Qt one
[07:04] <_ubuntu> it's sad cause it's my ubuntu CD that's messed up
[07:04] <chaoticgeek> kubnuntu does have something likethat
[07:04] <locomorto> qtparted/
[07:04] <locomorto> qtparted?*
[07:04] <_ubuntu> kubuntu live has it? where can I find that
[07:04] <chaoticgeek> maybe
[07:04] <chaoticgeek> thats a good question, I have never used kubntu live
[07:05] <_ubuntu> in normal kubuntu, where can I find it
[07:05] <chaoticgeek> I dont know, I have never used it before
[07:05] <locomorto> _ubuntu: its not there
[07:05] <_ubuntu> nope, I'm afraid it doesn't have it
[07:05] <locomorto> You have to install it first
[07:05] <chaoticgeek> oh then I'm just seeing things
[07:05] <_ubuntu> can I install it? I'm running a live cd
[07:05] <locomorto> sudo aptitude install qtparted
[07:05] <h> How do I save the nickname and password in Konversation so that I don't have to type /nick and IDENTIFY every time I start Konversation?
[07:06] <_ubuntu> yeah, I'm guessing it wont work since I'm on a live CD
[07:07] <blanky> so I cant install things if I'm running a live CD am I right
[07:07] <locomorto> blanky: its read only
[07:08] <locomorto> _ubuntu: the System Rescue CD has qtparted on it
[07:08] <kkathman> h: you cant, however you can set it to where it will identify you each time you log in
[07:08] <blanky> System Rescue CD?
[07:08] <glitch> okay, yet another "anyone else" question
[07:08] <glitch> my system beeps once in a while
[07:08] <kkathman> h: check out the aliases area
[07:08] <locomorto> blanky: its a linux live distro
[07:08] <glitch> and it seems to happen when I push shift for too long
[07:08] <glitch> is there an accessibility option i need to set like in windows?
[07:09] <blanky> locomorto: I know, I'm running kubuntu live CD
[07:09] <blanky> apparently it doesn't have qtparted installed, how may I install it? can I possibly install it to RAM?
[07:09] <chaoticgeek> ok, why does beep not allow me to double click a song in the playlist to play it?
[07:09] <locomorto> blanky: no
[07:09] <locomorto> get the system rescue cd (its only ~100mb)
[07:09] <blanky> so there's no way of doing it
[07:10] <blanky> locomorto: you mean the live cd?
[07:10] <locomorto> Its the easiest way to get qtparted
[07:11] <locomorto> banky: download (in windows) and burn this
[07:11] <locomorto> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/systemrescuecd/systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.15.iso?download
[07:11] <blanky> I guess I'll just use partition magic in Windows
[07:11] <blanky> Thanks anyways
[07:11] <blanky> i still must join #debian
[07:11] <blanky> but it wont let me
[07:11] <chaoticgeek> ...
[07:11] <chaoticgeek> did you type "/j #debian" no quotes?
[07:12] <blanky> i typed /join #debian
[07:12] <locomorto> /join #debian
[07:12] <chaoticgeek> hummm...
[07:12] <blanky> it redirects me watch
[07:12] <chaoticgeek> that should have worked too
[07:12] <chaoticgeek> watch what?
[07:12] <sproingie> are you registered with nickserv?
[07:12] <blanky> [470]  #debian #ubuntu Forwarding to another channel
[07:12] <chaoticgeek> hummm
[07:12] <blanky> it redirects me :'(
[07:12] <sampan> he's not identified with services
[07:12] <blanky> yes I am
[07:13] <chaoticgeek> did you identify yourself?
[07:13] <blanky> [Notice]  -NickServ- You have already identified
[07:13] <sproingie> man oh man ... kontact is sluggish when i have just 4000 messages in a mailbox
[07:13] <chaoticgeek> ok
[07:13] <chaoticgeek> lol
[07:13] <blanky> please help me
[07:13] <sproingie> s/kontact/kmail/
[07:13] <sampan> oh, yeah you are :/  
[07:14] <sampan> weird, i just joined
[07:14] <chaoticgeek> :( I really liked amarok
[07:15] <sampan> is yours acting up?  mine on breezy takes 10-20% of my cpu -- on mandriva it's like 2-3% -- very strange
[07:15] <locomorto> sampan, it might be cpu scaling
[07:15] <sampan> i don't think so -- i run at 100% cpu (folding at home) 
[07:16] <sampan> so i notice the slowdown in folding when i run other (non-folding) apps
[07:17] <chaoticgeek> snake comes and goes quite a bit
[07:18] <sampan> is there a url i can watch to see a list of breezy backports?
[07:18] <kkathman> i dont think that the brezy backports are out yet
[07:18] <kkathman> oops breezy
[07:18] <sampan> i know -- but i'm desperately WAITING for some
[07:18] <kkathman> if you know what you are doing, you can get some things from debian and just run a mixed system
[07:19] <sampan> i've already tried building the thing from source and it just made a bigger mess -- i'm either gonna reinstall 5.04 or just wait for the backports
[07:19] <kkathman> for the most part, esp in KDE, they will work
[07:19] <kkathman> I just pulled down the kvirc cvs and it runs great
[07:20] <chaoticgeek> kde.org
[07:20] <kkathman> but I am having probs with it pinning in Adept...I dont think Adept uses any of the apt prefs
[07:20] <sampan> well this is an IME (SCIM) and supposedly it's rather tricky -- as witnessed by the fact that breezy pretty much borked it completely -- all the chinese ubuntu sites are saying: "just stick with 5.04 until dapper"
[07:21] <kkathman> I went to 5.10 and it seems fine here..been very stable
[07:21] <sampan> do you use SCIM ?
[07:21] <kkathman> no
[07:21] <sampan> it's something about the SCIM packages
[07:22] <kkathman> could be.. someone else in another channel was complaining about that
[07:22] <sampan> producing total lockups -- forcing hard power-downs (i.e., holding the power button in until the system shuts off), etc.
[07:22] <kkathman> hmm
[07:22] <kkathman> submitted a bug on it yet?
[07:22] <sampan> or just taking 5 MINUTES for applications to load
[07:22] <sampan> lots of people have submitted bug reports
[07:22] <kkathman> thats a good thing then
[07:22] <sampan> official word is: no updates for non-security issues so just wait till dapper ;/
[07:23] <chaoticgeek> I dont have problems with 5.10, except with amarok
[07:23] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: what engine did you install for amarok?
[07:23] <chaoticgeek> gstreamer
[07:23] <chaoticgeek> the problem is that it closes on me
[07:23] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: try xine and see if you have better luck
[07:24] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: or try kaffeine-xine..that seems to be a good choice for most
[07:24] <chaoticgeek> every other media player works, but I like amarok
[07:24] <kkathman> I dont even use sound on my linux system cuz I have a really good one on my winbox
[07:25] <sampan> i like amarok too -- but it shouldn't eat up 20% of cpu cycles on a p4 2.4
[07:25] <Snake__> Hey guys what do you do with a .run file??????
[07:25] <kkathman> sampan: no it shouldnt
[07:25] <sampan> something a bit fishy with it -- so i just use xmms 
[07:25] <kkathman> but that could be an arts thing sampan are you up to date with Adept?
[07:26] <Snake__> !runfiles
[07:26] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Snake__
[07:26] <Snake__> !installingfiles
[07:26] <ubotu> Snake__: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:26] <Snake__> !installing
[07:26] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Snake__
[07:26] <kkathman> run files?
[07:26] <sampan> heh, well i've updated 3 times with ubuntu's (twice with breezy and once with hoary), 2 of those 3 times applications (crucial ones, like SCIM) broke
[07:26] <chaoticgeek> well I have to find something else, cuz I'm tired of having to kill amarok everytime it stops playing
[07:26] <Snake__> kkathman: yes
[07:26] <kkathman> lol sampan...I can understand
[07:27] <kkathman> Snake__: where did you get the .run file?
[07:27] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: Use XMMS ;)!
[07:27] <Snake__> kkathman: Ummm hang on, i downloaded off torrent
[07:27] <kkathman> ohh
[07:28] <sampan> kkathman  yeah i do use artsd (sblive card), with xmms my cpu usage is pretty normal (0-2% for artsd and 1% for xmms) -- with amarok it's like 16-22% for JUST amarok -- not even artsd
[07:29] <Snake__> kkathman: This site is where I got the torrent file
[07:29] <kkathman> Snake__: try looking at this...it may help http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,14746300
[07:29] <Snake__> kkathman: http://www.liflg.org/?catid=6&gameid=17
[07:29] <Snake__> kkathman: Then I am also downloading americas army, which uses a .run file
[07:29] <kkathman> check that link I just gave you
[07:29] <ghostpsalm> I am about to compile the kernel - recommended options for make-kpkg?
[07:31] <Snake__> kkathman: Amazing. Linux is simply amazing
[07:31] <chaoticgeek> I just wish I could get beep to go to my stystem tray
[07:32] <kkathman> hehe
[07:35] <Snake__> God I would love to get UT04 running lol
[07:37] <ghostpsalm> Difference between running debootstrap and compiling your own kernel?
[07:37] <chaoticgeek> you dont have to compile your own kernel...
[07:38] <chaoticgeek> I would assume
[07:40] <ghostpsalm> Sorry, not compile then -configure and build?
[07:40] <arnducky> Can I 'install' kubuntu overtop of regular Debian (Etch/Testing)?
[07:41] <Snake__> Uhhh.......wtf is this (anyone help) http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435116
[07:41] <ghostpsalm> I just want to understand what you have to do in order to equal running ; debootstrap, then apt-get install ubuntu-base kubuntu-desktop linux-k7, etc?
[07:41] <Snake__> How do I get permission
[07:41] <chaoticgeek> time to nuke up some pizza
[07:43] <sampan> brb
[07:44] <chaoticgeek> Snake__: permission for what?
[07:44] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: [01:41]  <Snake__> Uhhh.......wtf is this (anyone help) http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435116
[07:44] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: Trying to install UT04
[07:45] <chaoticgeek> humm
[07:45] <chaoticgeek> you get your password right?
[07:45] <Snake__> *nods*
[07:45] <Snake__> Do I have to login as root...I thought sudo would take care of that
[07:46] <chaoticgeek> go to Kde Menu button> System Settings
[07:46] <Snake__> Ok
[07:46] <chaoticgeek> then a dialog pops up and at the bottom it says System Adminiastration, click Disk & Filesystems
[07:46] <Snake__> alright im in
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> you get a screen thats grayed out and at the top says you need to do admin mode
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> click the button "administrator Mode" at the bottom
[07:47] <Snake__> Yep, i logged in
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> ok its your cd drive right?
[07:47] <Snake__> right?
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> ok click on the Optical Disk one
[07:48] <Snake__> wait... lol had to re read
[07:48] <Snake__> ok
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> can you click modify?
[07:48] <Snake__> No
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> ok well I cant either
[07:48] <Snake__> lol
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> so thats not gonna work
[07:49] <Snake__> Perhaps I should copy the disk into my home folder??
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> did you do "chmod +x linux-installer.sh"
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> so you can execute it
[07:49] <Snake__> no...
[07:50] <chaoticgeek> try that
[07:50] <Snake__> Still says permissions denied
[07:51] <h> how do I install  mp3 decoders for Kaffeine?
[07:51] <chaoticgeek> !restricted
[07:51] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[07:52] <Snake__> snake@Beast:/media/cdrom$ sudo ./linux-installer.sh
[07:52] <Snake__> sudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied
[07:52] <Snake__> still
[07:52] <ghostpsalm> What is the minimum you need to do to achieve a bootable root filesystem, after running debootstrap from a livecd?
[07:53] <chaoticgeek> humm.. Then I am out of ideas
[07:53] <h> ghostpsalm, try chmod a+x  ./linux-installer.sh
[07:53] <Snake__> lol alright
[07:53] <chaoticgeek> hehe
[07:53] <ghostpsalm> try chmod a+x  ./linux-installer.sh
[07:53] <chaoticgeek> h did you get what ubotu told you?
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> lmao
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> I already told him that
[07:54] <ghostpsalm> I was just relaying; and you told him chmod +x, not chmod a+x
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> oh
[07:55] <chaoticgeek> I thought I typed a+x
[07:55] <chaoticgeek> oops
[07:55] <fatejudger> every time I try and load a video online using kaffeine-gstreamer it crashes, is there any way to fix this?
[07:56] <fatejudger> it says that it alsasink and the videosink aren't working
[07:56] <fatejudger> but they are
[07:56] <fatejudger> I can play videos and music fine locally
[07:56] <fatejudger> it just breaks over the internet
[07:56] <supo> hello everyone! would someone know how to change just one icon size on the desktop?
[07:57] <fatejudger> supo: I don't believe you can
[07:57] <fatejudger> supo: why in the hell would you want to?
[07:57] <h> chaoticgeek, that page does not exist
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> what page?
[07:57] <supo> well in gnome you can.. but i made icon for firefox i want to be the size as the image is really
[07:58] <h> chaoticgeek, that page ubotu told me.
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:58] <supo> to enhance the look of my desktop
[07:58] <ghostpsalm> What is the minimum you need to do to achieve a bootable root filesystem, after running debootstrap from a livecd?
[07:58] <h> chaoticgeek, yes, it says create new empty page.
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> no that is the link
[07:59] <chaoticgeek> somereason it gives you the worng link sometimes, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats is the right one
[08:00] <h> chaoticgeek, thanks. how do I enable multiverse or universe in source.list?
[08:01] <chaoticgeek> open a console and type 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/souces.list
[08:02] <h> chaoticgeek, that page told me to install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg but they are the gtk things. I use KDE. Do I install them?
[08:02] <chaoticgeek> yes
[08:02] <chaoticgeek> i did and they work
[08:05] <chaoticgeek> if you cant get 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/souces.list' to work you can navigate to /ect/apt/ in konquoror and right click on sources.list and then actions>edit as root
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> I should not have had that nap
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> now I wont go to sleep at a decent time today
[08:09] <chaoticgeek> well beep works just fine, so I guess thats what I'll stick with
[08:10] <h> chaoticgeek, do u recommend Kaffeine-xine or just xine?
[08:10] <chaoticgeek> I dont know
[08:10] <chaoticgeek> I use mplayer
[08:10] <chaoticgeek> I've heard other people say Kaffeine-xine
[08:12] <insanekane> how can I get media:/ ioslave to show my harddisks ?
[08:12] <insanekane> hard disks (and partitions)
[08:14] <Snake__> insanekane: It's a glitch in KDE...if you talking about what I think you are
[08:14] <chaoticgeek> what?
[08:14] <insanekane> Snake__: have any URLs describing this ? (I want to fix it)
[08:14] <chaoticgeek> in konquror when you go to media:/? I get my hard drives partions
[08:14] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: i dont
[08:14] <chaoticgeek> oh
[08:15] <Snake__> chaoticgeek: Odd.. I don't and I was told by a couple people in here its a KDE glitch...
[08:15] <Snake__> insanekane: Sorry, no URLs, I've only had people in here tell me that
[08:15] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: are your partitions listed in /etc/fstab ?
[08:15] <chaoticgeek> when I open konquror I type media:/
[08:15] <chaoticgeek> yes
[08:15] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: how many entries you have ?
[08:15] <chaoticgeek> I thought all partitions were,
[08:16] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: not by default ... when you installed kubuntu, did you specify mount points for all your partitions ?
[08:16] <chaoticgeek> I have /dev/hda1 to /dev/hda6 and /dev/hdc
[08:16] <chaoticgeek> yes I did, /windows, and /hdrive for my fat32 data parition
[08:17] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: aha! thats why it works
[08:17] <insanekane> its stupid, media:/ should work as is ...
[08:18] <chaoticgeek> when I go into media:/ I have hdc, and hda1,2,4,5
[08:18] <chaoticgeek> it excludes my swap and another partition that I did not need to be seen
[08:18] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: yes, the rest should be swap/extended
[08:19] <chaoticgeek> ok
[08:19] <Snake__> Where do I need to dig to fix this?
[08:20] <sampan> heh, media:/ doesn't show anything for me either
[08:20] <insanekane> Snake__: I did fix it sometime ago (in a hackish sort of way) ... but anyway, you need to look into kdebase, pmount and hal
[08:20] <sampan> never used that before
[08:20] <chaoticgeek> thats nice, media:/ works for me, but amarok does not work for me
[08:20] <Snake__> lol
[08:20] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: whats wrong with amarok ?
[08:21] <chaoticgeek> dont ask
[08:21] <sampan> but if i go to the media directory, everything is there
[08:21] <h> chaoticgeek, thank you so much. things work very well from your instructions. here is a present for you: http://hil.homelinux.org:10080/~h/video/america_army.wmv
[08:21] <chaoticgeek> I just use beep now
[08:21] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: no sound ? tried installing arts ?
[08:21] <sampan> just with folder icons, not disk images or anything
[08:21] <chaoticgeek> no it just closes on me
[08:21] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: ah right
[08:22] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone help me with setting up opera plugins?
[08:22] <h> chaoticgeek, how do you like the video?
[08:22] <Snake__> insanekane: Wheres this kdebase at?
[08:22] <chaoticgeek> I'm having a bit o problems
[08:23] <chaoticgeek> kaffine is loading and going crazy on me
[08:23] <insanekane> Snake__: apt-get source kdebase
[08:23] <Snake__> lol oh
[08:23] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: make sure you get kaffeine-xine
[08:23] <kkathman> and then choose it
[08:23] <insanekane> kkathman: that works for me ... but, no SOUND :)
[08:24] <kkathman> hmm you wanted sound with that music player?
[08:24] <Snake__> Alright all i'm calling it a night
[08:24] <Snake__> Peace out
[08:25] <chaoticgeek> ok well caffine does not like me
[08:25] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: did you apt-get install kaffeine-xine?
[08:25] <DjDarkman> can someone helo me with opera plugins ,i`m having trouble with this "motif" thing?
[08:26] <kkathman> motif thing?
[08:26] <chaoticgeek> what was that link again?
[08:26] <DjDarkman> it says i need openmotif for the plugins to worfd
[08:26] <DjDarkman> work
[08:27] <DjDarkman> and when i want to install it:
[08:27] <h> chaoticgeek, Here: Enjoy the show: http://hil.homelinux.org:10080/~h/video/america_army.wmv
[08:27] <chaoticgeek> ok, wow people are up in arms about the new Harry Potter movie
[08:27] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@DjDarkman:~/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i openmotif_2.1.30-5_i386.deb
[08:27] <DjDarkman> Password:
[08:27] <h> chaoticgeek, I can't watch Harry Potter movie. Frustrating...
[08:27] <kkathman> DjDarkman: Check this out and see if it helps:  http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,14746300
[08:27] <DjDarkman> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openmotif:
[08:27] <DjDarkman>  openmotif depends on xlib6g (>= 3.3.6-10); however:
[08:27] <DjDarkman>   Package xlib6g is not installed.
[08:27] <kkathman> oops
[08:27] <kkathman> wait not that
[08:27] <chaoticgeek> ok, I keep getting an error in kaffine
[08:28] <chaoticgeek> Resource busy or not available.
[08:28] <kkathman> DjDarkman:  this:  http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=224
[08:28] <chaoticgeek> xvimagesink.c(740): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support: /internal_thread/thread_vbin/vbin/videosink: No port available
[08:29] <DjDarkman> kkathman: already read that
[08:29] <kkathman> DjDarkman: if you are missing the xlib, just sudo apt-get install it
[08:29] <kkathman> oh ok
[08:29] <kkathman> hmm
[08:29] <DjDarkman> i`ve looked for it but i cant find it
[08:29] <DjDarkman>  openmotif depends on xlib6g (>= 3.3.6-10);
[08:30] <chaoticgeek> ok, kaffine-xine package is the newest
[08:30] <chaoticgeek> I have to restart x because of the problems with kaffine
[08:31] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: make sure that you reset your engine in kaffeine to xine
[08:31] <kkathman> DjDarkman:  one second
[08:31] <DjDarkman> k kkathman 
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> ok how do I reset it?
[08:33] <kkathman> DjDarkman: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78626.html
[08:34] <kkathman> DjDarkman: did you see that one?
[08:35] <DjDarkman> no
[08:35] <DjDarkman> i hope this will do it
[08:35] <chaoticgeek> I was able to view the video through my browser though
[08:38] <chaoticgeek> http://hil.homelinux.org:10080/~h/video/america_army.wmv
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> ok I got it working in kaffeine now
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> kkathman: is it just me or does the song seem to go by very quickly?
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> I've heard the song before and it seemes very quick
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> wow, I just seene a commercial for the "DVD Bible"
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> the kids that are in the commercial look like they want to kill themselves
[08:41] <h> chaoticgeek, what;'s the characters in the video?
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> what?
[08:42] <chaoticgeek> The text?
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> or the video of the people?
[08:43] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: uhmm.. I dunno what you are looking at
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> the video link you gave me
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> http://hil.homelinux.org:10080/~h/video/america_army.wmv this
[08:44] <kkathman> chaoticgeek: I used kaffeine for music and then totem for video
[08:44] <kkathman> but for the most part Im using my winbox for audio and video
[08:45] <chaoticgeek> ok...
[08:45] <h> chaoticgeek, the text? guess
[08:45] <chaoticgeek> I have no clue what the text is. the charcters are from america's army game
[08:45] <chaoticgeek> good game if you have a very nice system
[08:46] <chaoticgeek> it can be quite a resource hog
[08:47] <chaoticgeek> its starting to die in here
[08:47] <chaoticgeek> and I should sleep
[08:48] <kkathman> yah I think Im gonna go to bed also.
[08:48] <kkathman> nighters
[08:50] <sampan> YAY! my nethack game was recovered after the horrible lockup the other day -- whew
[08:57] <crimsun> now that's called prioritisation
[08:58] <sampan> ;/  
[08:58] <insanekane> crimsun: :)
[08:58] <sampan> well, i'm still getting weird errors after that scim messup (completely removed now): if i run adept from kmenu i get a "su error" -- crash -- but i can start it from cli
[08:59] <sampan> but, restoring that nethack game was a key priority -- best game so far
[08:59] <supo> i got a question about kde and icons... is it possible to change just one icons size on desktop?  i have one icon i'd like to be in its real size to enhance the look of my desktop.
[08:59] <insanekane> sampan: what scim messup ?
[09:00] <sampan> insanekane, after i updated the other day, my scim completely quit on me -- i couldn't get it to configure (scim-setup would seg fault)
[09:01] <insanekane> hmm
[09:01] <sampan> lots of people having this issue with the breezy scim -- some after updates, some on fresh breezy installs 
[09:01] <insanekane> sampan: which scim version ?
[09:01] <insanekane> sampan: i have scim/skim working perfectly here
[09:01] <sampan> whichever one is in the breezy repos
[09:01] <sampan> some have had it work fine
[09:01] <insanekane> ok, i compiled from source
[09:02] <sampan> but a lot of the chinese ubuntu forums are saying to just hold off on breezy until dapper scim is backported -- lots staying with 5.04
[09:02] <insanekane> k
[09:03] <sampan> i'm too newb to even attempt compiling ... but i did try downloading re-done .debs from a chinese ubuntu mirror, which were supposedly a-okay .. that locked my whole system up -- couldn't even kill X with alt-cntl-backspace
[09:03] <insanekane> hmm
[09:03] <chaoticgeek_away> can I make a .deb package?
[09:03] <insanekane> sampan: actually, compiling scim is easy
[09:04] <insanekane> chaoticgeek_away: sure you can :)
[09:04] <insanekane> chaoticgeek_away: if you want to do it the easy way, use checkinstall :)
[09:04] <sampan> i sat and waited for like 10 minutes before hitting the power button -- hence the borked nethack game -- but now, weird things happening -- so i may just reinstall (pretty easy anyway) or go back to 5.04 
[09:04] <insanekane> sampan: k
[09:04] <sampan> insanekane  you sound like an experienced linux person -- i've never compiled anything and i'm basically lost :X
[09:05] <insanekane> sampan: actually, i've used pure (as in no other OS), for about 8 years now ... but no, im not experienced at all for a meaning of that word
[09:05] <sampan> well if you're compiling stuff that counts in my book!  :D
[09:06] <crimsun> the japanese ubuntu loco team has much better scim packages
[09:06] <sampan> and 8 years is plenty long to earn your stripes ;)
[09:06] <insanekane> sampan: to compile scim ... download the tar.gz ... extract it, ./configure --prefix=/usr; make; make install; (you can replace the last step with checkinstall to make it easy to uninstall scim if necessary)
[09:06] <locomorto> crimsun ?
[09:06] <insanekane> sampan: yes, it is long ... but i haven't earned mine yet :/
[09:08] <crimsun> locomorto: ?
[09:08] <locomorto> you said loco
[09:08] <locomorto> I flash on loco :)
[09:08] <sampan> insanekane  do you have a link for the tar.gz -- i'll confess my eyes glazed over when looking at files for that just because i'm not even 100% sure which packages are where 
[09:08] <crimsun> loco == localisation.
[09:08] <chaoticgeek_away> I know what I'm going to do next semester as a java project
[09:08] <locomorto> :/
[09:08] <chaoticgeek_away> first I should sleep
[09:09] <locomorto> think up a new acronim :)
[09:09] <crimsun> l10n, if you will
[09:09] <insanekane> sampan: its available in the download section of scim-im.org
[09:09] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: what project ?
[09:09] <chaoticgeek> meh I dont have classes tomorrow
[09:10] <sampan> scim is really mission-critical for me (writing my dissertation in chinese history and i simply HAVE to be able to input characters) -- i can't really spend months waiting for backports -- so it's either reinstall windows (shudder!) or go back to hoary
[09:10] <chaoticgeek> I'm gonna write a program that will make .deb packages for a person
[09:10] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: haha ... its not *that* easy ... plus, there is already checkinstall :)
[09:10] <chaoticgeek> but first I have to make my own .deb packages from hand
[09:10] <chaoticgeek> ok, well I have reasoning behind this
[09:11] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: whats your reasoning ?
[09:11] <chaoticgeek> my brother is *trying* to use ubuntu for his computer. and he knows that you cant just get .exe like in windows, well sometimes
[09:11] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: show him klik ;)
[09:11] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[09:11] <chaoticgeek> but he was trying to get me to help him install something from source and well it was not working and he could not communicate too well
[09:12] <chaoticgeek> but deb packages are easy to install
[09:12] <insanekane> yep
[09:12] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: why don't you compile for him, and use checkinstall to build the debs ?
[09:12] <insanekane> sampan: http://www.scim-im.org/downloads/
[09:12] <chaoticgeek> well I'm a bit away
[09:12] <chaoticgeek> he is back home while I'm at college
[09:12] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: i mean, send him the debs that you create :P
[09:13] <chaoticgeek> oh
[09:13] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: he doesn't have email ?
[09:13] <chaoticgeek> ya thats what I was thinking
[09:13] <sampan> insanekane  did you do both scim and skim?
[09:13] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: have you taken a look at checkinstall ?
[09:13] <insanekane> sampan: yes
[09:13] <chaoticgeek> and also next semester to keep my knowladge of java I need a project so why not
[09:13] <sampan> ver 1.4.2 ?
[09:13] <chaoticgeek> I'm looking at it
[09:13] <insanekane> sampan: yep :)
[09:14] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: you heard about the java-qt bindings ?
[09:14] <chaoticgeek> well that just kinda sucks
[09:14] <chaoticgeek> I thought it was a great idea
[09:14] <insanekane> what ? java-qt ?
[09:14] <insanekane> ah checkinstall :)
[09:14] <chaoticgeek> checkinstall
[09:14] <insanekane> heh
[09:14] <sampan> insanekane  and it's just one file for all the scim packages?
[09:14] <chaoticgeek> well time for a new project
[09:15] <insanekane> sampan: yep ... well, thats for the engine ... then you need an input method ... what method do you use ?
[09:15] <sampan> pinyin
[09:15] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: so many many of them :)
[09:15] <insanekane> sampan: yes, you can check the scim-pinyin instructions once you compile scim/skim
[09:16] <sampan> so i need scim, skim, scim-qtimm(?), and pinyin, and the tables(?)
[09:16] <insanekane> sampan: no need for scim-qtimm (you don't need it ... not until qt4 anyway ... unless you want to patch qt ;) )
[09:17] <insanekane> sampan: the rest yes
[09:17] <sampan> k -- thanks :)
[09:17] <insanekane> sampan: http://www.scim-im.org/wiki/documentation
[09:17] <insanekane> sampan: in particular: http://www.scim-im.org/wiki/documentation/installation_and_configuration/ubuntu_kubuntu
[09:18] <insanekane> sampan: don't follow the first section
[09:18] <insanekane> sampan: after you compile/install from source ... follow the section "System configuration" onwards
[09:18] <sampan> okay -- first attempt at compiling -- garrrrrrrrrrrrgh ;)
[09:18] <insanekane> sampan: are you using OOo ?
[09:19] <sampan> yeah
[09:19] <insanekane> sampan: ok ... and you use KDE also i assume ?
[09:20] <sampan> yep ... gnome just bugs me -- sometimes i'll switch into fluxbox or xfce for kicks though
[09:20] <insanekane> sampan: then you need "QT_IM_MODULE=xim" and "GTK_IM_MODULE=xim" also
[09:21] <sampan> that's in the Xsession file
[09:22] <sampan> i've had those in there since i used kde/scim in mandrake 10.1
[09:22] <sampan> errr, each time i installed a new distro i mean ;)
[09:22] <insanekane> ah ok
[09:22] <insanekane> someone really needs to make an i18n intelligent distro for the rest of us ;)
[09:23] <insanekane> a distro thats not obviosly east asian oriented i.e.
[09:24] <sampan> well mandr(iva,ake) has good scim support -- installs it at the start if you select "multiple languages" ... but after using ubuntu, i am hooked on apt-get and since 10.2 i can't get console nethack to work right in mandriva either :X
[09:25] <chaoticgeek> hehe mandr(iva,ake)
[09:25] <chaoticgeek> I like apt-get too
[09:25] <chaoticgeek> it is so nice
[09:25] <ghostpsalm> Apt-get says it cannot find the package 'bin86'; though it's on the package list?
[09:25] <chaoticgeek> but I still know hwo to build from source
[09:25] <sampan> i just hate having to mess with the mirrors and urpmi with mandriva ... apt-get is so easy with kubuntu
[09:26] <chaoticgeek> its easy, as long as your not my lil brother
[09:26] <chaoticgeek> well not so little, hwo about younger brother
[09:27] <chaoticgeek> crap I need to get a perl module for this app
[09:27] <ghostpsalm> all: Apt-get says it cannot find the package 'bin86'; though it's on the package list?
[09:27] <chaoticgeek> speaking of building from source
[09:27] <insanekane> sampan: whats the problem ?
[09:28] <insanekane> sampan: btw, i don't mean scim support alone ... i mean i18n oriented ... there are so many damn apps out there who do not care about non-european languages :/
[09:30] <chaoticgeek> ok, I need to install a perl module XML::Parser perl module, now on cpan.org it has XML::Parser, but some others below it
[09:30] <chaoticgeek> should I get them too?
[09:30] <chaoticgeek> never mind
[09:31] <sampan> insanekane  oh, i was just speaking in general that i was too newb -- i haven't actually tried it yet
[09:31] <chaoticgeek> the tar.gz has everything I belive
[09:31] <sampan> i'm making sure i have all the info from the wiki and stuff printed out for when i get some time on sunday or monday to do this
[09:32] <chaoticgeek> ls
[09:32] <sampan> knowing me, i'll find some weird way of making it error the first 10 times i try it ;)
[09:32] <sampan> but i agree with you, the internationalisation of applications still has a LONG way to go
[09:33] <ghostpsalm> chaoticgeek: DO you know why 'bin86' is not found?  (amd64)
[09:33] <chaoticgeek> nope
[09:33] <PokerFacePenguin> is there a GUI tool for modifying partition tables in kubuntu?  like resizing 'em.  I just spent the last couple of hours trimming a measly 2 gigs off of my / with parted.  Not to mention I use ext3
[09:34] <PokerFacePenguin> so i had to tune2fs too
[09:34] <chaoticgeek> Do any of you know why this program says XML::Parser is not found even though its installed
[09:34] <chaoticgeek> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[09:34] <chaoticgeek> I keep getting that
[09:35] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: because perl sucks and configure is in hell ? :)
[09:35] <chaoticgeek> never mind I did not get it installed properly
[09:35] <chaoticgeek> perl is great
[09:35] <bl3ssing> morning everyone!
[09:35] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:35] <chaoticgeek> hi
[09:35] <insanekane> python is great :)
[09:35] <PokerFacePenguin> hello :)
[09:36] <ghostpsalm> PokerFacePenguin: GParted
[09:36] <chaoticgeek> I hope to eventualy learn C/C++, Perl, Python
[09:36] <chaoticgeek> maybe some others
[09:37] <jmg> s/perl/ruby
[09:37] <chaoticgeek> s?
[09:37] <chaoticgeek> smalltalk?
[09:37] <chaoticgeek> or whatever it is
[09:38] <jmg> never minde
[09:38] <jmg> mind*
[09:38] <chaoticgeek> huh?
[09:39] <chaoticgeek> I'm gettting so many problems trying to install this module 
[09:44] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: what kind of problems ?
[09:45] <chaoticgeek> I'm in #perl and they are trying to help me
[09:45] <chaoticgeek> but I dont think that being able to have bmp in my system tray is worth it
[09:46] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: maybe you need to delete the package and reinstall (download probably destroyed the package)
[09:46] <chaoticgeek> ya thats too much work for it
[09:47] <insanekane> chaoticgeek: also, maybe you need the devel package ... maybe configure is looking for a .pc
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> they said stuff about having special libraries and all this other stuff
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> then I went not ofr me to be able to minimize to the system tray
[09:51] <insanekane> perl sucks
[09:52] <chaoticgeek> I still like perl
[09:52] <chaoticgeek> just not xml::parser
[09:52] <PokerFacePenguin> wow gparted has a much nicer GUI than GTparted....looks like they cleaned it up alot
[09:52] <PokerFacePenguin> ghostpsalm: thanks
[09:52] <chaoticgeek> I think that bmp not being able to minimize to the system tray sucks too
[09:54] <thoreauputic> for a beep media player tray icon look here and enable the repo >> http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:54] <thoreauputic> easiest way is to enable the "all" repo
[09:56] <thoreauputic> oh rats - looks like it's down, sorry
[09:56] <chaoticgeek> ya
[09:57] <chaoticgeek> welcome back PokerFacePenguin 
[09:57] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: not sure what happened there
[09:57] <chaoticgeek> you left then returned
[10:01] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: not on wifi now tho...very odd
[10:04] <v-dogg> how modern computer must one have to be able to watch TV with Linux? and maybe record programms and stream it to home network?
[10:37] <v-dogg> anyone here using MythTV?
[10:39] <divan> Do u need a TV Card for that?
[10:39] <chaoticgeek> yes
[10:39] <divan> Then no :(
[10:39] <chaoticgeek> I've got a tv tuner card, but cant get anything to work
[10:42] <chaoticgeek> but its not one of the good pvr tv tuner cards, its the cheap-o wintv go plus card
[10:47] <arnducky> me too and Ubuntu even has an ATI control panel applet and (proprietary?) driver package for it.
[10:48] <arnducky> chaoticgeek, it's an original 32 MB Radeon All-In Wonder (AIW)
[10:48] <chaoticgeek> hey if you want some real help join #mythtv-users
[10:48] <arnducky> kernel 2.6 doesn't even have a drm module for it AFAIK...
[10:48] <chaoticgeek> I'm there
[10:50] <v-dogg> I'll start looking into TV apps when I first get my mp3s playing...
[10:50] <v-dogg> so far no luck
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> !restricted
[10:51] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:52] <v-dogg> and I'd love to be able to click links in konsole... :)
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> ummm why not just write it down?
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, just like it says
[11:00] <v-dogg> sure I can copy and paste it, but I'm so used to using IRC thru Nutty SSH that this id just inconvenient
[11:05] <murray> hello : what is the best way to map the windows key?
[11:05] <murray> so that it pops up the K "start" menu?
[11:05] <chaoticgeek> thats a good question
[11:06] <chaoticgeek> hi ubotu 
[11:06] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[11:06] <ubotu> bonjour
[11:07] <v-dogg> murray: I asked the very same question a little while ago and didn't get an answer
[11:08] <v-dogg> but alt+f1 does the same thing 
[11:08] <v-dogg> you'll get used to it
[11:09] <chaoticgeek> or you can click it
[11:09] <v-dogg> chaoticgeek: slow and inconvenient
[11:09] <chaoticgeek> ok...
[11:10] <picca> i am thinking of moving to kubuntu from my current distro, but wondered .. does the boot process start the rc scripts in parallel so it is faster?
[11:11] <murray> v-dogg: ta ... i found this
[11:11] <murray> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-60544.html
[11:11] <murray> but not quite pieced it all together
[11:12] <murray> is there a "ubuntu keyboard shortcuts for windows users" page anywhere?
[11:13] <murray> picca: not sure, I'm not expert, but I don't think it starts the rc scripts in parallel
[11:13] <murray> i've found the boot process similar, time wise, to other distros
[11:13] <murray> prettier in kubuntu tho :)
[11:14] <picca> murray:  i am thinking of trying it out because although i love the distro i am using, sound will not work with it - one thing i like about the distro i have is that it starts up very fast
[11:14] <crimsun> picca: no, we don't use initng
[11:14] <hussam> picca: what distro do you use now?
[11:15] <picca> openSUSE 10
[11:15] <crimsun> there are plans to modify the current sysvinit configuration, but initng is not in the works for Dapper.
[11:15] <picca> crimsun is that the official name for booting in parallel?
[11:15] <crimsun> initng is one such implementation
[11:15] <picca> okay thanks crimsun
[11:15] <murray> picca: try the live cd, if suspend to disk works, then you get the equivalent of very fast boot up
[11:15] <murray> without booting
[11:16] <murray> plus you don't have to reset everything each time :)
[11:16] <picca> yes that is good idea - didn't think to do that
[11:16] <picca> just hope my sound card works with it - it has been a total pain in openSUSE
[11:17] <murray>  /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh I believe, you may need to sudo it#
[11:17] <picca> okay thanks murray
[11:17] <crimsun> picca: which sound card?
[11:17] <picca> intel 82801DB
[11:17] <murray> i've got a brand spanking, just release sony laptop, with a widescreen and nada about installing linux on it from google
[11:17] <crimsun> picca: err...which codec does it use?
[11:17] <murray> and kubutnu got everything, including the widescreen, out of the box
[11:18] <crimsun> (''tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat'' would tell you)
[11:18] <picca> how do i find out crimsun
[11:19] <hussam> I first switched from suse 9.1 to Kubuntu for sound problems as well.
[11:19] <picca> it says it is an 82801DB-ICH4
[11:19] <crimsun> it should work fine
[11:20] <crimsun> it may have an ac97_quirk or something
[11:20] <crimsun> what manufacturer and model computer?
[11:20] <picca> it is a gateway laptop 3325 (i think that is the model)
[11:20] <murray> anyone know if there is a key you can press to force xscreensaver to cycle to the next screensaver?
[11:24] <picca> the community for ubuntu and kubuntu seems much bigger than openSUSE
[11:24] <goldbrick> openSUSE is slow
[11:25] <picca> there are so many things annoying me with openSUSE at the moment
[11:25] <picca> sound problems, software repositories, YaST
[11:25] <picca> it is time to make the move
[11:26] <murray> i'd wager you will like it
[11:26] <picca> i will be nice to have a distro that doesn't install all the gnome stuff as well
[11:27] <picca> well off i go to install it
[11:27] <picca> bbl
[11:28] <goldbrick> woo!
[11:28] <goldbrick> A convert
[11:28] <scizzo> hello people
[11:30] <scizzo> anyone here using Krusader and Kaffeine that might be able to help me a little?
[11:30] <chaoticgeek> lol goldbrick 
[11:30] <chaoticgeek> hi scizzo 
[11:31] <goldbrick> I'm convert to Kubuntu
[11:31] <cyne> how do i switch between X desktops? or get back to my desktop
[11:31] <cyne> when my game crashes
[11:31] <cyne> full screen
[11:32] <cyne> i know i can crel-alt-backspace
[11:32] <cyne> ctrl
[11:32] <cyne> but that makes me log back in
[11:32] <cyne> and closes all my other programs
[11:33] <cyne> judging by the lack of answers i assume that it's the only way
[11:33] <chaoticgeek> that I know of yes
[11:47] <goldbrick> All hail Kubuntu!
[11:47] <murray> cyne: have you tried Ctrl-Tab?
[11:48] <murray> and if you just want a command line window Ctrl-F1 (or F2, F3...)
[11:48] <murray> and then Ctrl-F7 to get back into X / KDE
[12:05] <cyne> thanks
[12:07] <kairu0> hey all
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[12:07] <kairu0> Hobbsee
[12:07] <kairu0> what u up to?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> just got home from work, reading the newspaper online
[12:08] <kairu0> what do you do?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> check out chick in a supermarket - it's just a casual job - it's quite fun
[12:09] <ilred> hi to all!
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hi ilred!
[12:10] <ilred> guys, why my kubuntu freeze after upgrade?
[12:10] <kairu0> hey ilred
[12:10] <kairu0> ilred, upgrade to what?
[12:10] <ilred> i have breezy, installed tuesday
[12:11] <ilred> all ok, but yesterday adept told me there are 62 upgrades
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ilred: which bit of it freezes?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> as in, what happens to make it freeze?
[12:12] <ilred> after upgrade the system is ok, but if i enter in kde all systemfreeze
[12:12] <ilred> sorry for my bad english
[12:13] <kairu0> ilred, why dont you try creating a new user, loggin in as him, and seeing if kde crashes
[12:13] <ilred> i loggin in with user root
[12:13] <jpatrick> ilred: why?
[12:13] <ilred> kde start ok, but, after i launcj an application system freeze
[12:14] <ilred> nowi've reboot
[12:14] <ilred> i try with new user
[12:14] <jpatrick> ilred: why root?
[12:14] <ilred> a try
[12:15] <Pupeno> Is it me or openoffice2 impress is terrible, terrible buggy ? It misses to do simple things such as respecting the ordering (what is in front of what) of the objects (when using animations). ooo1 seemed to be better here.
[12:16] <kairu0> Pupeno, i only use writer and calc so dunno
[12:16] <ilred> for disable acpi is correct acpi=off at boot?
[12:17] <Pupeno> I'll install openoffice 1
[12:18] <ilred> with acpi=off it's the same condition...freeze
[12:18] <ilred> now i try with a new user
[12:18] <jpatrick> Pupeno: don't know about you but I like KOffice
[12:19] <Pupeno> jpatrick: I used to like it but I had some problems with it (unstability, lost of data) and the current presentation is already on openoffice 1. So I might just install it and live with it.
[12:19] <kairu0> i like openoffice because it can make word-friendly .doc files
[12:19] <kairu0> with the most accuracy that is
[12:21] <Pupeno> how is koffice's presenter's opendocument support doing ?
[12:21] <ilred> guys
[12:21] <ilred> with a new user i enter in kde, i launch konqueror and ... reeze
[12:21] <ilred> freeze
[12:22] <ilred> but my mouse can move
[12:22] <ilred> ctrl+alt+<- doesn't work to restartx
[12:23] <ilred> ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work to swith into a console
[12:24] <ilred> with dmesg idon't fnd any problem
[12:24] <ilred> find
[12:24] <ilred> anyone can tell me wich command use to control logs?
[12:27] <ilred> in /var/log/messages, kde.log, Xorg.0.log i don't find any problem
[12:27] <scizzo> anyone know a good howto for restricted formats and a good player for KDE?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> scizzo: amarok
[12:27] <Hobbsee> and !faq
[12:27] <Hobbsee> !faq
[12:27] <ubotu> well, faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[12:28] <insanekane> ok ... so anyone setup ftp on their machine which works ?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> !restricted formats
[12:31] <ubotu> somebody said restricted formats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:31] <Hobbsee> !tell scizzo about restricted formats
[12:31] <Riddell> nalioth: did you get ppc flight-1 candidate installed?
[12:32] <nalioth> Riddell: not yet. will do it at work today
[12:33] <scizzo> Hobbsee: yes amarok is working ok
[12:33] <Hobbsee> scizzo: amarok was my answer for a good player for KDE :P
[12:33] <scizzo> Hobbsee: however I want to get som more action with kaffeine or some other application
[12:33] <Hobbsee> scizzo: what do you want to do?
[12:34] <scizzo> well I want to get a good media player going
[12:34] <scizzo> gstreamer stuff seems to be fast and everything....but I think I might have a rendering or GLX problem because all the players are slow and I can't use xv for rendering
[12:41] <ilred> guys, seems a problem about kdeinit for my freezes
[12:47] <scizzo> guess I have to look more into this
[12:49] <ilred> guys, kubuntu is in the universe repository?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> !info kubuntu-desktop
[12:49] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.55 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[12:49] <Hobbsee> not in universe, it's in main
[12:49] <ilred> mmmmmm
[12:52] <ilred> any freezes 4u? i've enabled universe ,multiverse, security and updates repository
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ilred: what type of graphics card do you have?
[12:52] <ilred> ati 9100, with fglrx
[12:53] <Hobbsee> *nods* - did you get the drivers for it?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> !ati
[12:53] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[12:53] <scizzo> I am using fglrx
[12:53] <Hobbsee> got no clue if that will make much difference, but it might help
[12:53] <scizzo> :)
[12:55] <ilred> fglrxinfo using ssh on another pc...no response
[01:04] <scizzo> ummm....no wondering things are slow...xv can't be used on this machine..hmm
[01:04] <notech> admin mode fixed?
[01:05] <ilred> guys, find the problem!
[01:05] <ilred> module fglrx
[01:06] <godzero> Riddell: I'm reading up on those links you gave me in kubuntu-devel. I'll catch back up with you guys when I think I learned all I can from them.
[01:07] <scizzo> ilred: ?
[01:08] <scizzo> ilred: have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for answers?
[01:08] <scizzo> brb
[01:09] <Riddell> godzero: groovy
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dad's starting to get annoyed at the sudden jumps in bandwidth used lol - i'd better not test any more cd's this month!
[01:11] <stdoubt> so does DVD playback on Kubuntu just plain suck ?
[01:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the australian life.  keep the CDs you have then rsync any future ones to save bandwidth
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: rsync...now there's an idea...
[01:12] <treefrog> hi all. justa  quick one.. my Kubuntu has has a crash.. I crashed it during a boot. Now the screen res is 800 600. .. A bit like safe mode.. how do I reset it ??
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not like the bandwidths' a problem, he's just whinging and whining over nothing - there's still another 6 gig for the month to go, and we wouldnt be able to hit that unless i downloaded something like suse and mandriva as well!
[01:13] <jpatrick> treefrog: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: rsync...i'll have to look into that
[01:14] <treefrog> thanks so much.. 
[01:15] <stdoubt> i installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev; watched a DVD; ejected the disk ; installed xmms ; surfed awhile ; listened to mp3s ; inserted DVD and xine says: "There is no input plugin...etc" wtf
[01:15] <godzero> treefrog: I think for X, you can try ctrl-alt-(numpad+) to increase resolution, ctrl-alt-(numpad-) to decrease
[01:16] <treefrog> ya but if I open the display manager thingy it only has 800 600 and 340  400 or something.!!
[01:16] <mth`MAW> Hi
[01:16] <godzero> treefrog: oh.. the ya.. gotta do the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg thing
[01:16] <treefrog> this X org thing is asking for PCI bus ID .. !! oops out of depth
[01:17] <treefrog> can I just say OK to defaults .. I slected the NV drivers but I have not got a clue after that.. 
[01:18] <jpatrick> Try the defaults...
[01:18] <jpatrick> until it gets to resolutions
[01:18] <stdoubt> anyone having luck with dvd playback?
[01:19] <godzero> or you could "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" ... and add 1024x768 etcetera
[01:19] <treefrog> is 128 meg the same as 128000K ??
[01:19] <godzero> 131072k
[01:20] <godzero> 128x1024
[01:20] <assasukasse> hi all
[01:21] <jpatrick> assasukasse: hi
[01:21] <assasukasse> eheheh
[01:21] <assasukasse> cu on yahoo eh :D
[01:21] <jpatrick> oh yeah
[01:21] <assasukasse> have u ever tried apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[01:22] <assasukasse> i tried once but the results were not really amazing..
[01:22] <assasukasse> no filebrowser support
[01:22] <assasukasse> no sound..
[01:22] <jpatrick> assasukasse: tried #xubuntu ?
[01:23] <Bigglez> Can you help? I have Kubu 5.04. I updated last night. All packages up to date now. Kernel has upgraded (I think). Nvidia is broken... Any clues?
[01:23] <assasukasse> is there?
[01:23] <assasukasse> lemme check
[01:23] <stdoubt> Bigglez: did you try 'dpkg-reonfigure xserver-xorg' ?
[01:24] <stdoubt> it will default to nv
[01:24] <Bigglez> stdoubt - no, news to me. I'll go try that. tah.
[01:24] <stdoubt> iirc
[01:24] <stdoubt> ko
[01:24] <hussam> can somebody help with configuring the kicker "weather report" applet?
[01:24] <SAngeli> Hi, I just finished installing kubuntu. I am trying to install applications but other than what application manager is showing I do not know how to install something outside its database. Example would be mozilla-firefox. Anybody know how to and if it is possible to?
[01:24] <Bigglez> brb
[01:25] <stdoubt> SAngeli: run 'man apt-get'
[01:25] <SAngeli> Also, I noticed I installed kubuntu with Italian language and everything is in Italian. But, I noticed that OpenOffice 2.0 is all in english. How come? Is it supposed to be this way?
[01:26] <stdoubt> not sure if it's been translated yet.....i don't use it
[01:27] <stdoubt> so anyone able to play dvds?
[01:28] <stdoubt> smmeeeeeg!
[01:28] <SAngeli> thank you
[01:28] <treefrog> hey guys.. it seems to have worked.. dont know what I did exactly but I think just re inialising X might have just knocked it back up right.  thanks
[01:28] <notech> admin mode fixed?
[01:29] <stdoubt> so can you play dvds?
[01:29] <stdoubt> heh
[01:29] <jpatrick> notech: yes
[01:29] <scizzo> now xv is working on my ATI card.. :)
[01:29] <notech> :) how to fix?
[01:29] <godzero> treefrog: great!
[01:29] <jpatrick> notech: get new packages
[01:30] <notech> sorry..this is what i am asking,couse im new to linux,what steps i need to do?
[01:30] <notech> synaptics?
[01:30] <stdoubt> notech: you have broadband?
[01:30] <notech> yes
[01:31] <stdoubt> apt-get update    -then-    apt-get upgrade
[01:31] <stdoubt> -then- pray ;] 
[01:31] <notech> why pray? can something go wrong?
[01:31] <stdoubt> this *is* sid after all
[01:32] <stdoubt> if it was perfect we wouldn't be here ;] 
[01:32] <Drizzt_DoUrden> hi all
[01:32] <notech> i have enabled all repositories,is this ok?
[01:32] <stdoubt> within the default sources.list?
[01:32] <notech> yes
[01:32] <jpatrick> notech: yep
[01:32] <notech> ok,so i do apt-get..
[01:33] <Drizzt_DoUrden> i installed kubuntu five minutis ago but it wants a root passwors when i try to install packages not even sudo su helps
[01:33] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: that is the user password
[01:33] <notech> ahh,before doing so,is there any method like in windoze 'System restore'?
[01:34] <Drizzt_DoUrden> scizzo: no user pasword dosent work
[01:34] <stdoubt> notech: read up on 'base-config'
[01:34] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: the password for the user you added or have you created your own password for root?
[01:34] <notech> do i need to close all programs before do apt-get?
[01:34] <stdoubt> notech: nope
[01:35] <notech> thank u
[01:35] <notech> see ya
[01:35] <stdoubt> don't even need to reboot after ;] 
[01:35] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: the user you added on install has a password....using that user and the same password will give you the root permissions
[01:35] <Drizzt_DoUrden> scizzo: i have not created a pw for root
[01:35] <notech> upgrading! :/
[01:35] <stdoubt> good luck
[01:35] <notech> 56mb needed..
[01:35] <stdoubt> not bad
[01:35] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: then it is the same password as the user you added on install has
[01:36] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: for example: nobody@local$ sudo apt-get update
[01:36] <stdoubt> notech: after an upgrade then a re-login, you mightsee some changes config-wise
[01:36] <notech> i minute ramaining..
[01:36] <notech> 1
[01:36] <scizzo> Password: nobodyspassword
[01:36] <Drizzt_DoUrden> drizzt@menzoberranza:~$ sudo apt-get update
[01:36] <Drizzt_DoUrden> Password:  
[01:36] <scizzo> yes
[01:36] <Drizzt_DoUrden> ?
[01:37] <Drizzt_DoUrden> but its not my user pw
[01:37] <Drizzt_DoUrden> i tried it already
[01:37] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: then use the same password as you use for the user login
[01:37] <stdoubt> sure you didn't mistype?
[01:37] <Drizzt_DoUrden> im sure
[01:37] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: and you don't have caps lock or something?
[01:37] <Drizzt_DoUrden> no 
[01:37] <stdoubt> [weird] 
[01:38] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: I am 100% sure it is the user password unless you have a root user
[01:38] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: if you have run: sudo passwd root
[01:38] <scizzo> or something
[01:38] <scizzo> otherwise you are typing the password wrong or something else
[01:38] <Drizzt_DoUrden> scizzo: ir i run sudo passwd root he asks for the su pw
[01:38] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: NO!
[01:39] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: you should not run that
[01:39] <Drizzt_DoUrden> why?
[01:39] <scizzo> I am saying that you might have done that if you have a password for root
[01:39] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: let me ask you....is this the user you created upon install?
[01:39] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: or do you have more users?
[01:39] <Drizzt_DoUrden> i have only one user
[01:40] <Drizzt_DoUrden> ah i got it
[01:40] <stdoubt> Drizzt_doUrden:         ?
[01:40] <notech> yuppie..all gone perfect,bug fixed! :)
[01:41] <notech> thank u
[01:41] <stdoubt> notech: sweet
[01:41] <scizzo> Drizzt_DoUrden: ?
[01:41] <stdoubt> notech have you rebooted or reloggd yet?
[01:41] <notech> relogged
[01:41] <Drizzt_DoUrden> i made sudo passwd root und toke my user pw but if i tried to make a apt-get install and he asked for the pw my user pw wasnt working
[01:42] <Drizzt_DoUrden> scizzo: thanks a lot
[01:42] <scizzo> que?
[01:42] <scizzo> didn't get what you did?
[01:43] <stdoubt> he in fact HAD made a root user...
[01:43] <stdoubt> ...i guess
[01:43] <stdoubt> so -can anyone play dvds?
[01:44] <Bigglez> stdoubt: I am still at a loss with the Nvidia drivers. I have re-cerated the xorg.conf, but still no go.
[01:44] <scizzo> stdoubt: haven't tried DVDs yet
[01:44] <Bigglez> I wish I had not upgraded the kernel... :(
[01:45] <stdoubt> Biggles: did you have 3d working at one point?
[01:47] <Bigglez> stdoubt: yes it was fine yesterday. After the update. boom
[01:47] <Bigglez> The Kubu machine is not mine. I use Fedora. On that when a kernel upgrades, the Nvidia driver lags behind a few days. Is it like that on Kubuntu?
[01:47] <stdoubt> well, the nvidia drivers have to be installed into each unique kernel
[01:48] <stdoubt> Bigglez: all I have installed is default kernel and                       nvidia-glx    nvidia-kernel-common         nvidia-settings
[01:48] <Bigglez> Okay.. Um . I am confused about the kernel vs the version of the distro. Is the kernel the same for 5.10 as in 5.04?
[01:49] <stdoubt> kernel is kernel distro is distro - really NO hard and fast relationship
[01:49] <Bigglez> I mean - if your Nvidia drivers are working for 2.6.10-5-xxx then so should mine - right?
[01:49] <notech> in system settings i read: Kde version 3.4.3 release 2.6.12-9-686  Machine i686
[01:49] <scizzo> hmmm....having some problems with gstreamer and kaffeine when it comes to DVD stuff
[01:49] <stdoubt> Bigglez: nvidia drivers need to be installed per kernel
[01:49] <notech> this means i have not a i386 installation? i have a pentium4 on my laptop,is this right version?
[01:51] <Bigglez> What does uname -r say on your machine?
[01:51] <stdoubt> me?
[01:51] <stdoubt> notech: uname -a
[01:52] <notech> NoTech 2.6.12-9-686 #1 Mon Oct 10 13:25:32 BST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:52] <sfazruzs> hi all!
[01:52] <notech> what are the differences fro 386 and 686 versions?
[01:52] <stdoubt> i686 lloks like
[01:53] <stdoubt> notech: cat /boot/config-2.6.12-9-386 | grep PENT
[01:53] <Bigglez> stdoubt: well uname -r on my Kubu says : 2.6.10-5-386
[01:53] <Bigglez> So it looks like there are some versions of the kernel around. I'm lost
[01:53] <stdoubt> thats the kernel relese version - any kernel can be tuned to and setting
[01:53] <notech> dunno,i have installed it from kubuntu breezy dvd-live cd 5.10
[01:53] <stdoubt> any* setting
[01:54] <sfazruzs> i have a question here,how to make a shortcut icon?such as firefox application in example.
[01:54] <notech> so what are the differences from 686 and 386?
[01:54] <stdoubt> notech: more registers on the chip basically
[01:55] <stdoubt> more advanced intruction sets
[01:55] <notech> is this version optimal for my pentium 4 northwood?
[01:55] <notech> laptop
[01:55] <Bigglez> hoo-boy. Well, if kynaptic (5.04) tells me I'm all up to date and X can't see the nvidia drivers, what do I do?
[01:55] <stdoubt> notech: what did    cat /boot/config-2.6.12-9-386 | grep PENT        say?
[01:56] <notech> sorry what i have to do? paste all the command in the console?
[01:56] <stdoubt> Bigglez: did you try installing      nvidia-glx    nvidia-kernel-common         nvidia-settings?
[01:57] <jpatrick> notech: kubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:57] <stdoubt> notech: yes - cat your config file and grep it for that string
[01:57] <Drizzt_DoUrden> why cant i find realplayer lame w32codecs?
[01:57] <Drizzt_DoUrden> and so on
[01:57] <notech> i mean, what do i need to do? what is grep pent?
[01:58] <stdoubt> just run it ;] 
[01:58] <notech> anyway..after upgrade i need to mount my partitions again,i dont see any in konqueror
[01:59] <stdoubt> Drizzt_DoUrden: those programs exist in a repository that's not listed in your sources.list
[01:59] <notech> i reboot and then will see..
[01:59] <Drizzt_DoUrden> stdoubt:  how to get the servers for the sources.list
[02:00] <Bigglez> stdoubt - yes I have all three Nvidia packs installed
[02:01] <stdoubt> Bigglez:  doa           cat /boot/config-2.6.12-9-386 | grep NVIDIA
[02:02] <stdoubt> doa= do a
[02:02] <Bigglez> ;) k
[02:02] <stdoubt> but with your kernel name
[02:02] <stdoubt> err config name
[02:03] <Bigglez> stdoubt: CONFIG_AGP_NVIDIA=m
[02:04] <scizzo> stdoubt: I get a fun little error about DVDNAV
[02:04] <stdoubt> Bigglez: not sure what to tell you other than i have that entry and 2 more nvidia entries: there are good 'how-to's' online for this
[02:05] <Bigglez> stdoubt: When I look in my Xorg.0.log : I see "Failed to initialize GLX extension"
[02:05] <stdoubt> scizzo: i get a fun error of playing a dvd then not being able to for no apparent reason
[02:05] <scizzo> Error invoking "dvdnav_get_next_block": Error reading NAV packet..
[02:05] <scizzo> that error is what I get from kaffeine
[02:06] <stdoubt> Bigglez: there are a few options you want to kill in xorg.conf after a reworking of the kernel or xserver
[02:06] <Bigglez> stdoubt: No howtos that I can find. It's a plain case of apt-get updating and bam! stuff breaks. If you can find a lead for me to follow! I have scoured ubuntuforums
[02:06] <notech> err..i dont know how to mount
[02:06] <notech> tryed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28partition%29 
[02:06] <notech> but receive some errors
[02:07] <scizzo> notech: what filesystem?
[02:07] <Bigglez> notech: mount what?
[02:07] <Bigglez> mount -0 loop -t iso9660 -r yourfile.iso /mnt/somefolder
[02:07] <notech> my ntfs partition on hda1
[02:08] <Bigglez> If it's an iso ...
[02:08] <scizzo> notech: eeep! can you mount read only?
[02:08] <notech> dunno
[02:08] <Bigglez> mount -o (not O)
[02:08] <scizzo> notech: you wouldn't happen to have the disk in /media/?
[02:09] <scizzo> notech: thats the place where mine is mounted
[02:09] <ilMostro> /auth
[02:09] <sfazruzs> i have a question here,how to make a shortcut icon?such as firefox application in example.
[02:09] <Bigglez> stdoubt: well. I will hack on for a while. Thanks for trying to help.
[02:10] <stdoubt> Bigglez: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#nvidiadriver
[02:10] <notech> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435296
[02:11] <notech> after the script i receive an error,sorry dunno what to do
[02:11] <Bigglez> stdoubt: tah. am going there now.
[02:12] <notech> any ideas?
[02:12] <Bigglez> stdoubt: !!! I kiss the gruo
[02:12] <Bigglez> ground at your feet
[02:13] <Bigglez> The line : sudo nvidia-glx-config enable   is what does it!
[02:13] <stdoubt> BIgglez: this one might be better: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:13] <stdoubt> ahh
[02:13] <Bigglez> stdoubt: Great link thanks a tonne! :D
[02:13] <stdoubt> well, good
[02:13] <stdoubt> yw
[02:14] <arnducky> If I make a user with the KDE admin tool, will the account automatically have sudo priveleges?  (I don't want it to)
[02:15] <arnducky> Do I need to run the adduser script from a console or root shell to avoid it being sudoed?
[02:15] <stdoubt> arnducky: if it does, you can use the visudo command to change it
[02:15] <Bigglez> stdoubt: It was just one line, but I had not seen it anywhere else. It's not on ubuntuguide. I wonder if its in the Wiki?
[02:16] <stdoubt> Bigglez: got me
[02:17] <notech> could someone help me mount my partitions please
[02:18] <stdoubt> notech: pastebin your /etc/fstab
[02:18] <l3m> notech: what's your problem? 
[02:18] <notech> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435296
[02:18] <notech> after the script i receive an error,sorry dunno what to do
[02:18] <arnducky> I get a password error when I try to run visudo using the gui!
[02:19] <notech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions?highlight=%28partition%29
[02:19] <notech> this is what i have tryed
[02:19] <arnducky> the root password doesn't work (and no I don't have CAPS LOCK on, etc., etc., when I type it)
[02:19] <stdoubt> notech: that's not the contents of your fstab
[02:19] <arnducky> Nor does the password of the 'default' user...
[02:19] <stdoubt> and i have never seen this before: winmac_fstab.2
[02:19] <notech> how do i see the content of my fstab?
[02:20] <l3m> cat /etc/fsta
[02:20] <l3m> cat /etc/fstab
[02:20] <arnducky> hmmmm.. visudo is not even in the package cache
[02:20] <arnducky> stdoubt, ?!?
[02:21] <stdoubt> notech:       sudo cat /etc/fstab > /home/notech/fstab
[02:21] <notech> this script worked for me before 10 minutes upgrade
[02:21] <l3m> hmm this wiki page offers....weird...advice
[02:21] <notech> now dont work anymore and don't see any partition in konqueror
[02:21] <stdoubt> opern /home/notech/fstab with an editor and pastebin it
[02:22] <arnducky> Do I need Universe and Debian repositories to get visudo in order to edit the sudoers list in order for every user I make *not* to have root access to all admin tools?
[02:22] <arnducky> =o/
[02:22] <stdoubt> arnducky: sudo visudo
[02:22] <stdoubt> it's there
[02:22] <toby> Any clue why, when I play a WMV in kaffiene, I get audio but only 'visualisations' instead of video, despite having W32codecs installed via adept?
[02:23] <notech> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/435307
[02:23] <arnducky> I just haad synaptic search the apt-cache
[02:23] <arnducky> trust me!
[02:23] <arnducky> nor will it exec
[02:23] <stdoubt> arnducky: run it at a terminal
[02:24] <stdoubt> arnducky: if you can't go     sudo visudo    at a terminal you might as well reinstall
[02:24] <l3m> toby: tried mplayer?
[02:24] <arnducky> That opens a/etc/sudoers.tmp in a nano-lile 'shell'
[02:24] <stdoubt> toby: i think it's because breezy is a total flake with all multimedia
[02:24] <toby> l3m: No, and I guess I should... I wanted to try to keep to KDE apps if poss, but I know mplayer is 'the daddy' really
[02:25] <l3m> stdoubt: no. i never had any problems. it's just xine that sucks, mplayer works perfectlya
[02:25] <notech> stdoubt have u see my fstab content?
[02:25] <arnducky> What package is it part of?  base-utils?  admin-utils?
[02:25] <stdoubt> arnducky: that's what you edit to stop users from being able to do sudo
[02:25] <stdoubt> notech: not yet
[02:25] <notech> k :)
[02:25] <l3m> toby: well there's kmplayer but it's not in breezy 
[02:25] <stdoubt> l3m: thx for the tip i'll try it
[02:26] <stdoubt> notech: OK -what can't you mount?
[02:26] <notech> all
[02:26] <notech> i cant see nothing in konqueror media section only floppy
[02:27] <arnducky> Can I just edit it with vi/vim/emacs/nano/pico/aee/gedit as root?  Why is it ~.tmp (a temp file).  Does the kernel have another locked file that it dumps ~.tmp to when it sees a change, or does it just sit in userspace until sudo is called?
[02:27] <stdoubt> notech : that's weird: what do    'mount'   and did you try 'mount -a'?
[02:28] <notech> no sorry..can you give me a hint what exactly write in console?
[02:28] <arnducky> "visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). 
[02:29] <stdoubt> arnducky: within the file itself are instructions: don't worry about a backup appearing 
[02:29] <arnducky> And what am I doing running vi(sual)sudo in an x-terminal?
[02:29] <stdoubt> notech:       mount
[02:29] <stdoubt> notech:     mount -a
[02:29] <notech> done nothing happened
[02:29] <stdoubt> arnducky: it shouldn't make a difference
[02:30] <arnducky> "There is no easy way to prevent a user from gaining a root shell if the editor used by visudo allows shell escapes"
[02:30] <stdoubt> notech: NOthing happened? NO feedback to your screen from those commands?
[02:30] <stdoubt> arnducky i think that's exactly why you need to use visudo
[02:31] <notech> sudo mount -a
[02:31] <notech> Reformatting mount(8), please wait...
[02:31] <notech> then nothing more but in konqueror i see nothing
[02:31] <toby> I'd google, but groups is down :) For a sempron, should I go for mplayer-386 or mplayer-586?
[02:31] <arnducky> does it have a 'visudo.conf' file somewhere that tells me what editor it calls?
[02:31] <stdoubt> notech: that's exteremely odd behavior
[02:32] <notech> do u think it is because the upgrade?
[02:32] <stdoubt> arnducky: lloks to me like it's calling GNU nano
[02:32] <toby> ... or mplayer-k6? (Athlon/Duron)
[02:32] <arnducky> =o\
[02:33] <stdoubt> notech: your fstab looks OK to me -don't know what to tell ya :\
[02:33] <notech> :/
[02:33] <notech> is there any other way i can try to access partitions not only in konqueror?
[02:33] <stdoubt> notech: but if 'mount'  is calling "man mount" (reformatting mount(8)) then something is truly hozed
[02:34] <arnducky> Now I have a pile of security concerns since the Ubuntu installer script prompted user seems to be able to sudo everything (including su)
[02:35] <stdoubt> arnducky: that's the point: ubuntu stuff likes to run "rootless" it's designed that way
[02:35] <arnducky> I had to boot to 'recovery mode' just to (auto)login as root and set a password in the first place...
[02:35] <stdoubt> arnducky: what are you worried about security-wise?
[02:35] <arnducky> Oh, like Mandrake and the luser friendly distros...
[02:35] <stdoubt> arnducky: did you make a root user?
[02:36] <arnducky> I did passwd in singleuser mode booted to the recovery kernel
[02:36] <stdoubt> arnducky: then visudo and edit your user out of the file and use root when you want to do root stuff and skip sudo for all users
[02:37] <arnducky> Won't that break all of the fancy kubuntu tools?
[02:37] <stdoubt> maybe: but then you can begin bending the system to your will....bwahahahaha!
[02:37] <arnducky> I'm hoping there is a way for the admin stuff to authenticate against root.
[02:38] <evilducky> Mwahahahaaaa... indeed
[02:38] <stdoubt> heh
[02:38] <stdoubt> the admin stuff in KDE on kubuntu is broken -came that way
[02:38] <evilducky> You know how gksu and PAM work in Gnome -- is there anything like that? 
[02:39] <stdoubt> i stay as far away from PAM as possible
[02:39] <l3m> stdoubt: it's not. works fine here
[02:39] <stdoubt> l3m: you must be all apt-get upgraded then
[02:40] <stdoubt> im not
[02:40] <evilducky> Actually it seems really nice, I've almsot forgotten why I purged kde from my debian.  Nothing has crashed frozen or installed twenty bloatware packages to satisfy a single dependency yet (now when I only get around to dselect HOLDing kdegames et al.)
[02:40] <jpatrick> stdoubt: It's been fixed
[02:40] <evilducky> ;-)
[02:41] <stdoubt> jpatrick: good to know -too bad i'm on 56k ;] 
[02:42] <evilducky> it's also *really* fast compared to Gnome.  At least faster than I am with a console/virterm -- no waiting for apps to load or a prompt to enter data at so far.
[02:42] <stdoubt> i was really suprized by how fast 3.4.3 is
[02:43] <evilducky> Yeah, even with all the eyecandy.
[02:43] <stdoubt> too bad i can't get "Detailed List View" to stick
[02:43] <stdoubt> speaking of eyecandy: try the elive demo of the Enlightenment enviro - sweet
[02:43] <stdoubt> death by eyecandy
[02:44] <evilducky> IOh yeah -- I noticed the absence of 'detail' and 'list' int eh Konqueror view menu pretty quick and of a show desktop/minimize all button
[02:44] <stdoubt> yup- seems a bit GNOMEified 
[02:44] <icewt> what's that Flight CD 1?
[02:44] <evilducky> death as in /etc/init.d/every_daemon_but_enlightenment DIE DIE DIEs?
[02:45] <stdoubt> evilducky: no - it all seems to play nice
[02:45] <l3m> stdoubt: why can't you get detailed list view to stick=?
[02:45] <evilducky> stdoubt, have they re(un)niced a bunch of crap?  I can't really tell with a cursory look at top...
[02:46] <stdoubt> l3m: wish i knew: i save view profile in every window i come to but kill konq, reopen and some of those pages are back to big-ass icon view
[02:46] <notech> hi again
[02:47] <lithium> hi all
[02:47] <lithium>  is there a way to disable 'Notify on new mail in this folder' and 'Include this folder in mail checks' for all imap folders in kmail?
[02:47] <stdoubt> notech: re(un)niced?
[02:47] <notech> i have an idea: probably i need to reboot the session?
[02:47] <evilducky> Oh and the clock is a bit of tease -- no matter how I change the font sizes, I can't seem to get all the Kewl (tm) fields they Koffer one to Kshow Kup without K-kicking the main time out of the Kviewable Kspace.
[02:47] <notech> couse when i restart os it loads my previous session,it is right?
[02:48] <notech> if i do ls in console i see my files
[02:48] <stdoubt> lol@evilducky
[02:48] <notech> but i konqueror no
[02:48] <l3m> stdoubt: you probably have multiple instances of konqui preloaded
[02:48] <stdoubt> notech: that's mega-weird: does konq have an address bar you could type in??
[02:49] <notech> yes
[02:49] <notech> what do i need to type?
[02:49] <stdoubt> l3m: that's a good tip i'll check into that: curse all this automatic stuff! curse it i say!
[02:49] <stdoubt> notech:         /home/notech
[02:49] <stdoubt> type that and hit enter
[02:50] <KevilKducKy> BTW, konqueror seems much improved, but what about mime handlers and security (I haven't thought of any flash/Java/Macromedia/Quicktime/WinblowMedia dependant sites to try so far)
[02:50] <notech> hey!! my files are there!! :)
[02:50] <stdoubt> :-)
[02:50] <lithium> also is it possible to automatically check for spam messages in kmail? i've run the anti-spam wizard and it detected spamassasin and bogofilter. two additional button have been created on the toolbar to manually mark messages as spam/ham but it doesn't filter incoming messages automatically
[02:50] <KevilKducKy> Someone suggest a demo.
[02:50] <notech> and for windows partition what i need to tyep?
[02:51] <KevilKducKy> notech" parted REMOVE <j/k>
[02:51] <l3m> KevilKducKy: well it's all configurabe.. if you want best security, just disable java or other plugins globally
[02:51] <notech> huh?
[02:51] <stdoubt> KevilKducKy: what kinda demo
[02:51] <KevilKducKy> mkfs.ext3 [winblows target]  is a good one too
[02:51] <l3m> lithium: you probably have to check the "apply to incoming mail" box in the mail filter settings 
[02:51] <notech> i need to type parted remove j/k?
[02:52] <KevilKducKy> Oh , somethign that will show off konquerors development since I nuked it from my system last time -- heh
[02:52] <stdoubt> hit Alt+space
[02:52] <stdoubt> suprised me
[02:53] <lithium> l3m: the spam handling filter which moves and marks the messages is enabled for incoming messages
[02:53] <_otto> Does somebody know any good sources about Kubuntu usability? All I found was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSimplifyKDE
[02:53] <stdoubt> notech: in kong type only       /
[02:54] <KevilKducKy> BTW, none of the docs Iv'er read on  kde.org   even mention Gecko or even NCSA mosaic -- did they really make Konqueror from 'scratch' with nothing but RFCs and the W3C 'apo' to go by?
[02:54] <KevilKducKy> err 'apo'='api'
[02:54] <stdoubt> dunno -all inkow is it's built with QT
[02:55] <KevilKducKy> Heh -- QT is partially closed src, isn't it?
[02:55] <_StarScream> KevilKducKy: nope, dual license
[02:55] <stdoubt> not anymore IIRC
[02:55] <notech>  wth i dont understand nothing!  with only '/' i see my linux partiton files
[02:55] <KevilKducKy> (Not to mention really #&$ing up formerly reliable ANSI C makefiles.)
[02:56] <notech> how to see win partitions too? and WHY in konqueror i dont have the hda icons anymore?
[02:56] <stdoubt> notech: all your stuff should be mounted under the media directory
[02:56] <stdoubt> in folders relating to your fstab entries
[02:56] <_otto> I've been waiting for Linux to conquer the newbie desktop since year 2000 and somehow it always seems to be very close, but not really there. Kubuntu might do it, but needs some fixes on usability so I would like to participate in improving Kubuntu usability. What group/emailist/etc should I join?
[02:57] <notech> thank u.. (do i am really so dummy?)
[02:57] <Drizzt_DoUrden> hm i dont think that kubuntu is a distro for me im downloading the gentoo image because its much earsyr to handel
[02:59] <stdoubt> ppl need to realize k/ubuntu is freaking a few pplz vision of debian Sid........it's alpha software
[02:59] <stdoubt> well....beta maybe
[02:59] <KevilKducKy> So, besides breaking all the fancy new admin tools by nuking sudo, (it's often left uninstalled on my Debian) do you guys have some more security tips?  (I was thinking about denying konqueror net access and using it only internally or at least forcing to use a proxy)
[03:00] <stdoubt> i don't think Linux will ever make it to joe and sally's home boxen -if it does they'll still have alot to learn no matter how you slice it
[03:00] <stdoubt> Kevil: good idea
[03:00] <KevilKducKy> konqueror + desktop integrations seems very much like another browser from that *other* o/s...
[03:00] <KevilKducKy> =P
[03:00] <stdoubt> get a 486 and run an IPCop gateway ;] 
[03:00] <PokerFacePenguin> stdoubt, most of em dont know how to use windows either :P
[03:01] <stdoubt> PokerFacePenguin: too ture
[03:01] <KevilKducKy> Does it even have a DOM inspector like moz?  (howabout unchecked stacks/heaps/buffers?!?)
[03:02] <stdoubt> (that swished right over my head)
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: lol debian unstable is not alpha
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: or beta
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: the actual program version are about the same as in suse, gentoo or other distris
[03:04] <l3m> stdoubt: the only "unstable" thing is the packaging
[03:05] <_otto> stdoubt: I think Linux could and does fit very well for the desktops of regular Joes'. I've seen that. The problem is just the the Linux they use should come with good default settings so that I would not need to tweak it so much after installation..
[03:05] <l3m> KevilKducKy: why would you install kubuntu and then remove sudo? if you want a debian system with root, stick with debian 
[03:06] <l3m> stdoubt: please inform yourself before spouting such nonsense
[03:07] <KevilKducKy> l3m I'm not stuck on n00king sudo, I'm just considering.  The reason I have kubuntu is the same as M$ lusers pay $$$ ever 2 years for the same stuff.
[03:07] <stdoubt> l3m: I must be thinking of k/ubuntu and not Sid ;] 
[03:07] <l3m> KevilKducKy: ... what?
[03:07] <KevilKducKy> I'm hoping that all the eyecandy (read: 'killer apps') will enable me to switch my M$ customers over.
[03:07] <stdoubt> _otto: unless there are friendly wizards that walk you through what to do when X crashes, it's no-go
[03:08] <stdoubt> bless you Kevil
[03:08] <l3m> stdoubt: i was referring to your FUD about sid as well as kubuntu being unstable 
[03:08] <l3m> heh
[03:08] <l3m> KevilKducKy: ah ;) 
[03:09] <KevilKducKy> For instance, I ddin't have to go looking for a PIM and bluetooth modules and custom compile them with options to link with each other.  I was pleasantly surprised to see it just work 'out-of-the box'.
[03:09] <KevilKducKy> I'm totally new to Ubuntu this week.
[03:09] <l3m> KevilKducKy: Kubuntu or OS X ;)
[03:10] <KevilKducKy> Well since OSX is blatant attempt by Apple to obfuscate open source...  =P
[03:10] <stdoubt> l3m: FUD! eeeek. no- but ubuntu nor Sid are recommended for 'production' - i honestly can't consider ubuntu ready enough for, say, a windows user to just "switch" to
[03:11] <KevilKducKy> stdoubt, what about a statefull 'personal firewall' with at least a pay-subscription update service?
[03:11] <stdoubt> l3m: for exampl- admin tools in KDE shipped broken on Kubuntu......i'm 3 years on linux and i can't play my dvd on kubuntu even though it did play once......that's broken
[03:12] <stdoubt> l3m: not really directing that at you per se, just sayin'
[03:12] <l3m> stdoubt: yes, but if you compare the version of the software contained in sid to e.g. the latest suse release, you'll see that they mostly match 
[03:12] <_otto> stdoubt: I haven't seen X crashing.. sure, bugs are problem but they are luckily not so common.
[03:12] <l3m> stdoubt: well dunno worked fine here out of the box
[03:12] <KevilKducKy> Has some KDE developer done that yet with a iptables/aide/snort/checksecurity/bastille wrapper UI thingee?
[03:12] <_otto> stdoubt: I mead haven't seen X crash in Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[03:12] <stdoubt> l3m: certainly: they are considered widely as the latest "stable" versions by their respective devs....not generally by more conservative distros
[03:13] <stdoubt> _otto: I have. but then, i do tweak a bit
[03:13] <stdoubt> and crash to a newbie could simply mean "doesn't start"
[03:14] <KevilKducKy> stdoubt, my DVD worked just fine 'out of the box' (and the automounting linking-shortcut widget was a snap -- light years ahead of gnome or anything else I've seen including M$)
[03:14] <l3m> stdoubt: and to the windows comparison: well you don't use a windows without patching it to SP2 + hotfixes either. you however compare your "nonpatched" kubu to a "fully patched" win or so
[03:14] <l3m> stdoubt: exactly; but "stable" is the debian sense is "suitable for a server". you wouldn't want to run a desktop with debian stable.. ;)
[03:15] <stdoubt> <- wonders where it all went wrong
[03:15] <l3m> stdoubt: and i don't know what you did to your kubuntu system but it seems to me you broke quite a few things - i installed kubuntu and didn't notice any of the problems you described here today
[03:15] <KevilKducKy> In fact the 'eyecandy' seems like it can give WinDOH!s Media Center a long overdue *#$tkicking
[03:16] <KevilKducKy> ( *#$ => 'snot' of course -- hehehe)
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: i even have sleep and hibernate working out of the box on my vaio laptop, something which no other distro ever managed
[03:16] <stdoubt> l3m, well, i did remove Kaffeine, and installed xine-ui -that kind of stuff
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: well xine is broken, but that's hardly kubuntu's fault. 
[03:16] <stdoubt> l3m: i know -the HW driver thing is pretty excellent on k/ubuntu
[03:16] <l3m> stdoubt: xine is broken everywhere, i cannot imagine why people use that crap piece of software ;)
[03:17] <l3m> stdoubt: apt-get install mplayer ;)
[03:17] <stdoubt> l3m: :( but it's neat looking and familiar):
[03:17] <stdoubt> i plan to!
[03:17] <l3m> stdoubt: you don't have to use mplayer-nogui if you don't want to. there's also guis for it, y'know ;) 
[03:18] <stdoubt> but i think it's actually more of a 'mounting the dvd problem :\
[03:18] <KevilKducKy> yeah -- suspend to ram and suspenmd top disk capabilities are a 'must' with Ubuntu's 10-minute bootcycle.  If they're stable, it makes Ubuntu 'the Linux' for most laptops, and keeps the whole flock of penguins in the race with M$ and Apple.
[03:18] <l3m> i don't know why i should use tiny graphical buttons created in a misguided attempt to mimic "real hardware" when i can control  everything in the media player in a "computer" way with the keyboard
[03:18] <KevilKducKy> WTF does Ubuntu take so long to boot anyhow?
[03:19] <KevilKducKy> l3m you shouldn't.
[03:19] <l3m> KevilKducKy: exactly. that's why i prefer mplayer-nogui ;)
[03:20] <stdoubt> sudo mount /dev/hdd  =     mount: No medium found
[03:20] <stdoubt> but there's a disk in there
[03:20] <stdoubt> and 2 hours ago it was running a DVD
[03:20] <l3m> stdoubt: mounting and even burning dvd works fine here.
[03:20] <KevilKducKy> Those little widgets are not for you.  We'll send the RIAA's same DRM/IP rights goons to inspect your system for Qt and Athena widgets once per quarter -- heh.
[03:20] <stdoubt> l3m: yay for you! :P
[03:20] <l3m> stdoubt: well what did you do the last 2 hours ?
[03:21] <l3m> stdoubt: e.g. diff system_status(t-2) system_status(t) ;)
[03:21] <stdoubt> l3m: i installed libdvdcss2 and libdvdcss2-dev; watched a DVD; ejected the disk ; installed xmms ; surfed awhile ; listened to mp3s ; inserted DVD and xine says: "There is no input plugin...etc" wtf
[03:22] <stdoubt> l3m: what dir are those files in?
[03:23] <l3m> stdoubt: dunno, but it seems to me all your problems lead back to xine
[03:23] <l3m> stdoubt: which files?
[03:23] <KevilKducKy> So, got an xkb ruleset and mime-config script for my Logitech EX110 "SuperWidgetMaster" wireless MM keyboard with LittleIconPro(tm) technology? 
[03:23] <stdoubt>  system_status(t-2)       and    system_status(t)
[03:24] <tenco> how can i change the shortcut of katapult?
[03:25] <tvo> tenco: alt+space -> ctrl+C -> configure global shortcuts
[03:26] <tenco> tvo: how did you know? i couldnt find documentation on this one.
[03:26] <tvo> tenco: I'm one of the developers :-)
[03:26] <tvo> tenco: it still has to be added to the docs
[03:27] <KubunDucku> (*CBUs: 'Cluster Bombs')
[03:27] <tenco> tvo: ok. you should also make it configurable through kcontrol!
[03:27] <l3m> KubunDucku: i have no idea what an Smart Lart CBU even is ? ;)
[03:27] <tenco> tvo: because alt+space breaks default-shortcuts in kmail and knode
[03:28] <tvo> tenco: does it?  have to chat about that with other developers..
[03:29] <KubunDucku> ooohhh I thought you wer a BoFH or an aulde schoole IRCer...  look up 'Lart' in a Inet glossary or wiki; you'll get chuckle
[03:29] <KubunDucku> l3m, you've heard of cluebats and banhammers, though, right?
[03:30] <tenco> tvo: yes. it seems to me that katapult handles shortcuts independently of the kde shortcut framework, because katapult only catches alt+space which never gets through to kmail/knode (where the shortcut is still defined)
[03:30] <tenco> tvo: ...katapult catches alt+space...
[03:31] <l3m> KubunDucku: well i'm not a native english speaker but i fell kinda stupid now ;)
[03:31] <l3m> feel
[03:31] <KubunDucku> And BTW, I didn't make up 'Smart Lart Cluster(s)'  I saw a #linuxhelp oper on another net use the term several times 
[03:31] <tvo> tenco: I doubt it handles them indepently?  I don't know if two actions are assigned to same shortcut only one is executed or both are
[03:32] <KubunDucku> Why would you feel stupid over idiomatic allusion.  That's an idiotic illusion, emotionally speaking -- heh.
[03:32] <KubunDucku> ;-D
[03:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:33] <l3m> lol
[03:33] <tenco> tvo: afaik, when you try to assign a shortcut in a application which may conflict with a global shortcut or vice versa, you get a warning message
[03:33] <stdoubt> <- going to install a bunch of mplayer stuff  -cya pplz
[03:34] <tenco> tvo: using katapult never got me a warning message, but the shortcuts are conflicting :-)
[03:34] <l3m> plus-V-ducky: i see you're a sesquipedalian
[03:34] <tenco> tvo: *shortcut
[03:34] <plus-V-ducky> Oooooh, a new word (for me at least)!  Joy!
[03:34] <plus-V-ducky> =oD
[03:35] <tenco> tvo: anyway, it would be nice if you developers could investigate that further! :-)
[03:35] <plus-V-ducky> ped = either foot or from pedant ( roman slave hired to beat and sometiems also tutor children in the grmmaticus
[03:36] <plus-V-ducky> sesq  <-- pertaining to sevenness or having seven objects I think
[03:37] <l3m> plus-V-ducky: nah, it just means you enjoy using long and complicated words for the sake of using long and complicated words ;)
[03:37] <plus-V-ducky> quip as in 'quoatable quips, querries and qualms'?
[03:38] <l3m> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sesquipedalianism
[03:38] <plus-V-ducky> And short ones too -- if they alliterate, rhyme, pun or alude.
[03:38] <plus-V-ducky> =oD
[03:39] <l3m> hrhr
[03:41] <plus-V-ducky> I've actually been banned from channels for non-sexual, non-personal punning to XS.
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[03:42] <hussam> who maintains / posts news on kubuntu.org?
[04:26] <Snake__> Sup guys
[04:29] <bsluman> vpn
[04:41] <DocTomoe> I need help getting an logitech trackball to work on kubuntu breezy. a device called "/dev/input/mouse1" appears when I plug it in (mouse0 is the laptops touchpad), but it has no effect on the mouse pointer. Anyone willing to give a helping hand?
[04:43] <kkathman> DocTomoe: I have a Logitech trackball myself, and its worked since warty :)
[04:44] <DocTomoe> well, that is nice for you ;)
[04:44] <kkathman> DocTomoe: but I didnt do anything special, just had it plugged in during install so the installer could recognize it
[04:44] <kkathman> DocTomoe: does it work at all?
[04:44] <DocTomoe> hm, for some reason I am not willing to reinstall my system just for an trackball ;)
[04:45] <DocTomoe> the trackball? No Idea. Should. Just bought it today
[04:45] <kkathman> DocTomoe: and this is on a laptop?
[04:46] <DocTomoe> jupp
[04:46] <kkathman> DocTomoe: Did you have a mouse on the laptop before? or were you only using the touchpad?
[04:46] <DocTomoe> as stated before: the kernels udev seems to detect the trackball, as it creates an /dev/input/mouse1 when I plug the trackball in.
[04:46] <DocTomoe> kkathman: I was only using the touchpad. I like trackballs better, however
[04:47] <kkathman> DocTomoe: yes, me too.  I suspect that you may have a laptop on which you must turn off the touchpad, then reboot so the system knows to use the other device
[04:48] <kkathman> Im not 100% sure, but I have had laptops that did that.
[04:48] <DocTomoe> well, the kernel  shouldnt be able to create a device then, should it?
[04:49] <DocTomoe> Id like to fiddle with my xorg.conf ... maybe you could post the trackball-related part of your conf to some pastebin, please? pretty please? 
[04:49] <kkathman> DocTomoe: Oh sure it can, and will, if that particular input device had never been used before.
[04:49] <kkathman> sure..let me go get that for you.
[04:53] <CellarDoor> hi
[04:54] <CellarDoor> Is anyone else having trouble with the Menu Editor ? I can't get it to save anything.
[04:55] <kkathman> hmm the kubuntu pastebin site is not responding
[04:56] <slow-motion> bbl
[04:56] <icewt> CellarDoor: yes. i have the same problem. no idea what causes it
[04:57] <icewt> CellarDoor: no new installed programs seem to appear in the menu either
[04:58] <hellblade> hello peeps. I want to ask your opinion on Debian sid with KDE (I am using this for about 2 years now) versus Kubuntu. pros and cons... how stable is it compared to testing and unstable? and how fast do new versions get to repository?
[04:58] <CellarDoor> icewt: I installed a game demo yesterday which made its own entries in the Kmenu and I noticed that changes I had tried to make which it wouldnt save were now done as well... 
[04:58] <CellarDoor> but Its still not saving anything otherwise
[04:59] <CellarDoor> hellblade: sorry cant help, I've never used sid. :P
[04:59] <hellblade> is it stable?
[04:59] <CellarDoor> yes
[05:00] <icewt> hellblade: well, i changed to (k)ubuntu when my sid broke once again after dist-upgrade ;)
[05:01] <hellblade> is Kubuntu just the KDE for Ubuntu or there are more differenses?
[05:01] <icewt> CellarDoor: strange. what demo did you install?
[05:01] <CellarDoor> Cold War
[05:02] <icewt> hellblade: yes. ubuntu installs gnome by default, kubuntu kde.
[05:03] <CellarDoor> I have xfce installed as well :P
[05:12] <kkathman> hellblade: its a bit more than that, but basically its true
[05:12] <gigcs> i have problem add package on  kubuntu cd .
[05:13] <hellblade> kkathman>don't they both share the same packages? I mean wget for example is the exact same package for both. right?
[05:13] <kkathman> hellblade: when you install kubuntu, you do not get gnome. However, if you install base ubuntu, you get gnome, and then you can install kubuntu-desktop on top of it and have both.
[05:13] <kkathman> hellblade: yes they have core packages, but if you installed kubuntu, you wouldnt get the gnome core
[05:14] <hellblade> kkathman>If I download Kubuntu DVD and install it, won't I be able to apt-get install gnome?
[05:14] <kkathman> hellblade: but you could easily install it if you wanted.
[05:14] <kkathman> yes
[05:14] <hellblade> ty
[05:15] <kkathman> hellblade: you'd just do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <hellblade> kkathman>is sudo preconfigured? in my debian I prefer loging as root and doing such things
[05:17] <kkathman> hellblade: no root is disabled in all ubuntu based installs, but if you absolutely have to, you can reactivate it, but I suggest against it
[05:17] <kkathman> its a simple thing to just pre-attached "sudp" on the things you need for root
[05:17] <kkathman> sudo I mean :)
[05:20] <hellblade> oh got it:P
[05:20] <kkathman> hellblade: as you well know, many BAD things can go on if you do things as root...so ubuntu disables it as a default
[05:21] <Snake__> Root...for when you really want to f up ur system :)
[05:22] <kkathman> well if you know what you are doing thats fine. But most people just "think" they know what they are doing and end up er  "f*ing" up their system as you say Snake__ :)
[05:22] <hellblade> nah. i don't cause too many problems while in root mode. I used to when I was a newbie (in linux)... I still am but I know more since my first days:)
[05:23] <kkathman> I know a bit, and I still dont log in as root
[05:23] <hellblade> plus I maintain debian sid all this time (two years without a "format")
[05:24] <kkathman> Like I said, if you truly know what you are doing, you can reactivate root and do your su root
[05:25] <hellblade> my problem is that I have many files left from previous upgrades and wrong custom complilations all over my system and I want at some point to start from scratch and configure everything right (cleaner) this time
[05:25] <kkathman> yah that happens over time hellblade :)
[05:26] <icewt> using nano with sudo makes root the owner of .nano_history . not a big problem really, but annoying when starting up nano as a normal user
[05:26] <kkathman> icewt: very true
[05:26] <hellblade> i use mostly kedit etc for user opperations and vi while in console
[05:27] <kkathman> the biggest problem I've seen is someone playing too much with the passwd files and then they corrupt them and render the system useless unless they have a rescue
[05:27] <hellblade> hehehe I never touch these files
[05:33] <hellblade> is breezy the stable or the next release?
[05:33] <icewt> stable
[05:33] <kkathman> breezy is the current, stable release...5.10
[05:33] <kkathman> Dapper is the next
[05:34] <Snake__> Yay AA's at 27% ((End random comment))
[05:34] <kkathman> lol
[05:39] <Snake__> http://www.mmoradio.com <---Best internet radio (Are advertisments agaisnt the rules??)
[05:42] <Snake__> !coc
[05:42] <ubotu> coc is probably the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[05:42] <notech> hi all!
[05:42] <Snake__> Hello
[05:43] <notech> how is when i install an app from apt-get and it is not listed in ALL Applications menu? but if i call it from console it runs?
[05:44] <notech> do i need to update in some way the All Application menu?
[05:44] <Snake__> I would help if I could lol
[05:44] <notech> ohh i have kde
[05:44] <kkathman> notech:  you mean the k-menu?
[05:44] <LjL> notech: usually, restarting X makes the new applications appear in the menu, here
[05:44] <notech> yes
[05:44] <LjL> notech: though i'm not quite sure why don't appear in the first place
[05:45] <notech> usually.. but i see in many ..many times it is not!
[05:45] <kkathman> LjL: many apps that were updated, apparently they took out the capability to update the menu, because people complained that they'd rather add them if they wanted them there
[05:46] <kkathman> Im speaking of Kubuntu now, not gnome
[05:46] <notech> do u know where is the place 'directory' where i can find these apps?
[05:46] <LjL> kkathman: hmm... that's stupid. should be given as an option at the very least
[05:46] <LjL> notech: dpkg -L packagename will show all files (with full paths) from a package
[05:46] <kkathman> LjL: I disagree with "stupid" which is a harsh word...I dont want every application I get added to my menu either
[05:46] <kkathman> you can always right click on K and add it
[05:47] <kkathman> I RARELY use the k menu anyway
[05:47] <icewt> i wish i could add applications in the menu even manually :/
[05:47] <notech> oops..thank u,just didnt know! :)
[05:47] <kkathman> icewt: right click on K, then choose menu editor
[05:47] <LjL> kkathman: i think everybody uses it "rarely" these times, there are easier possibilities to access often-used applications. and that's precisely why the K menu should, by default, be a container for *all* installed applications
[05:48] <icewt> kkathman: i think i talked about this with you yesterday. it doesn't work ;)
[05:48] <LjL> kkathman: you know, by the same token, the K menu should be *empty* in the first place, after Kubuntu installation... hey, after all, you can add the applications you *want* there
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: I guess we must agree to disagree :)
[05:48] <CellarDoor> kkathman: thats the problem, the menu editor isnt saving changes.
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: well I dont agree with that either
[05:48] <kkathman> LjL: however, I think there is too much there
[05:49] <kkathman> CellarDoor: Mine does
[05:49] <LjL> kkathman: that there is too much, imho, simply means that the menu could be organized better
[05:49] <kkathman> LjL: I dont disagree with that :)
[05:49] <Snake__> Hey how about we stop arguing and tell snake why he doesn't have any sound in americas army and UT04??
[05:49] <hellblade> there should be an optional submenu where all applications appear after installation so that you can easily locate them and copy paste their entries in your custom K-menu
[05:49] <LjL> because the most modern game i play is tetris
[05:49] <notech> lol
[05:49] <kkathman> haha
[05:50] <Snake__> lol
[05:50] <kkathman> nice LjL :)
[05:50] <kkathman> I like spider solitaire :)
[05:50] <CellarDoor> kkathman: mine and icewt's dont :(
[05:50] <LjL> hellblade: i think that could be a good idea
[05:50] <notech> i could also play tetris only,because of GOOD video drivers! :)
[05:50] <LjL> kkathman: i also play tetrinet, though. actually, i miss a KTetrinet
[05:51] <kkathman> CellarDoor: I understand, and it must be something that happens post install but its almost impossible to trace down
[05:51] <kkathman> CellarDoor: did you upgrade from Hoary or install clean on Breezy?
[05:51] <notech> how do i know what vga drivers i am using? kcontrol?
[05:52] <CellarDoor> clean breezy install
[05:52] <LjL> kkathman: what do you think of hellblade's idea? you know, after all, people often just *don't know* where the executable file for their new application is. installing it and then just telling them "it's installed, now it's your business" isn't what i call user friendly
[05:52] <kkathman> CellarDoor: hmm wonder if icewt did the same...I upgraded from hoary
[05:52] <icewt> i did a clean install
[05:52] <CellarDoor> hmm
[05:52] <LjL> notech: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf . not sure if there is a friendlier way
[05:53] <notech> thank u
[05:53] <CellarDoor> I didn't have this problem last week though
[05:53] <icewt> it used to work though
[05:53] <icewt> yeah
[05:53] <kkathman> LjL: as far as I know, most everything (with a few exceptions) install in /usr/bin/  but a submenu with everything.. hmm.. seems ok I guess
[05:54] <kkathman> LjL: like WIndow's Add/Remove Programs screen
[05:54] <kkathman> well im out for a day of watching college football.
[05:54] <kkathman> cyaz
[05:55] <LjL> bye
[05:55] <hellblade> LjL>is there anyone here to hear wishes for kde (even kubuntu specific) and implement them?
[05:55] <LjL> hellblade: not me :)
[05:55] <hellblade> lol
[05:56] <hellblade> I meant if kubuntu devs join this channel...
[05:56] <LjL> some do
[05:56] <notech> it seems i am using the driver for my card ATI 345M but why is so slooow? could i find any other driver more optimized?
[05:56] <LjL> i think
[05:56] <Snake__> mornfall made adept...I know that much
[05:56] <Snake__> :-D
[05:56] <LjL> notech: so slow for what, 3D?
[05:57] <notech> i have chromium game on windoze and achieve 70+fps and in linux 30
[05:57] <notech> yes
[05:57] <notech> this is not really important but..
[05:57] <LjL> notech: perhaps your OpenGL configuration isn't quite right?
[05:57] <notech> sorry,i don't know how to configure
[05:58] <hellblade> LjL>I think I'll have to /bug this feature as a wish on kde.org for KDE 4 along with some more ideas I just got
[05:58] <LjL> notech: i don't know either, but try the commands that start with "glx" to do some benchmarking and troubleshooting
[05:58] <notech> ok
[05:59] <hellblade> notech> try glx gears and post your fps
[05:59] <hellblade> *glxgears
[06:00] <notech> doing
[06:00] <LjL> you know what's strange, i've trying glxgears right now, and they start "ok", then start going like at 1 fps after a second or so
[06:00] <libben> do u get a value at all?
[06:00] <libben> dident u need to type thisisnotabenchmarking?
[06:00] <libben> when starting glxgears
[06:00] <notech> how many time i need to wait..?
[06:01] <hellblade> don't wait for them to stop. they won't I think:) just note the results (2nd result etc) and close the window
[06:01] <LjL> libben: no, i don't get a value, but i just haven't waited for the program to quit spontaneously yet. and, no, i didn't need to type anything
[06:01] <notech> sizeof(RADEONDRIRec) == 100, devPrivSize 100
[06:01] <LjL> i'm not getting *any* results while the program runs, or after i kill it
[06:01] <LjL> but, mind you, i'm in VESA mode
[06:01] <notech> is this my result?
[06:01] <libben> well, of i want some fps values. u need to type something more like -thisisnoatabenchmark
[06:02] <Kibou> glxgears -printfps
[06:02] <notech> ok
[06:02] <hellblade> vesa should give preaty low numbers (below 500)
[06:02] <notech> sizeof(RADEONDRIRec) == 100, devPrivSize 100
[06:02] <notech> 4425 frames in 5.0 seconds = 884.890 FPS
[06:02] <notech> 1748 frames in 5.0 seconds = 349.561 FPS
[06:02] <libben> i got 3659 fps, but the system is heavy loaded right now
[06:03] <dennis_p> mhm, where does konqueror store my bookmarks?
[06:03] <LjL> i'm around 250 fps, with the visuals crawling to something that looks like 1 or 2 fps
[06:03] <notech> ugh..i suppose my results are really low!
[06:03] <hellblade> notech you have no GL acceleration
[06:03] <notech> how is my vga so crappy?
[06:03] <notech> ahh
[06:03] <notech> how do i enable it?
[06:04] <hellblade> you must install ATI binary driver and configure it in yr xorg.conf
[06:04] <notech> ugh
[06:04] <notech> i am not an expert :/ i am on linux 2 month now :)
[06:04] <Snake__> The fun times of installing a graphix card. notech I wish you luck. I was trying to install mine from 3 pm to 12 am yesterday
[06:04] <notech> do u know if there are binary drivers for my card?
[06:05] <hellblade> i dont have an ati and i'm on debian so i cant tell you exactly. let me find some info on the net to point you
[06:05] <Snake__> Then locomono (I think his name was) helped me out, but hes not here
[06:05] <hellblade> there must be
[06:05] <CellarDoor> notech: way to go using Linux :D
[06:05] <notech> this is because i am using kubuntu! first i have used knoppix but sometimes could run x window sometimes not!
[06:05] <notech> not to mention slackware
[06:06] <Stele> sweet - finally got nvidia drivers up and running
[06:06] <CellarDoor> notech: are you using breezy ?
[06:06] <notech> yes now
[06:06] <dennis_p> kubuntu has a simple command to fetch and install command for 3d card you know
[06:06] <Stele> glxgears getting 14K fps
[06:06] <Snake__> brb guys
[06:06] <CellarDoor> notech: nvidia or ati ?
[06:06] <notech> ATI igp 345M
[06:06] <notech> integrated card on Sony Vaio..
[06:06] <CellarDoor> hmm
[06:06] <hellblade> notech) if you use the VESA (basic driver for all cards) you can use 2D graphics normally but no 3D
[06:06] <hahaboy> I configured my Kubuntu from 3pm to 5:30am the next day
[06:07] <notech> could i post my xorg.conf?
[06:07] <hahaboy> Why don't you post it on the BBS?
[06:07] <Stele> kubuntu rocks 
[06:07] <LjL> by the way, is there currently any way to use a specific driver (with 3d acceleration maybe) for my Kyro II card? (i think not, but while we're around the topic...)
[06:07] <bhna> hplip starts after cupsys. how can i change this? hp-toolbox works only if hplip starting before cupsys
[06:07] <JoeBu> or pastebin
[06:08] <hellblade> can someone explain the flood way here cause i dont remember how this is done
[06:08] <bhna> Riddell: hplip starts after cupsys. how can i change this? hp-toolbox works only if hplip starting before cupsys
[06:08] <CellarDoor> notech: I'm sure I've seen an ati driver in the repositories that might work
[06:08] <notech> :)
[06:08] <notech> :)))
[06:08] <Riddell> bhna: change the number in the filename in /etc/rc2.d
[06:09] <notech> kubuntu pastebin offline??
[06:09] <LjL> looks like so
[06:09] <notech> ://
[06:10] <LjL> well use the ubuntu pastebin, it works
[06:10] <bhna> Riddell: i have change the number from 19 to 18 for hplip but cupsys is starting first.
[06:10] <Stele> how can I get a list of the installed files in an installed package?
[06:10] <Stele> im trying to find out where a package got installed
[06:10] <Flosoft> does anyone already have the new Kubuntu?
[06:10] <Riddell> Stele: dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archive/foo....deb
[06:10] <Riddell> Flosoft: flight-1 is out
[06:11] <Flosoft> ???
[06:11] <Flosoft> flight-1?
[06:11] <Flosoft> isn't it Dapper?
[06:11] <LjL> yeah
[06:11] <Flosoft> yeah
[06:11] <CellarDoor> notech: if you search for "ati graphics" in Adept three items for ATI come up here
[06:11] <notech> synaptics?
[06:11] <Flosoft> can anyone check what version of KVIrc is included?
[06:12] <CellarDoor> notech: Kmenu > System > Package Manager (Adept)
[06:12] <notech> thank u
[06:12] <CellarDoor> np :)
[06:13] <sinclair> hi, im really new to kubuntu.. and i see most of the faqs and helps are for ubuntu, could i use this helps in kubuntu aswell?
[06:13] <CellarDoor> yes
[06:13] <LjL> mostly
[06:14] <sinclair> for example, the after installation documentation of ubuntu and all this
[06:14] <sinclair> restricted media formats .. etc
[06:14] <LjL> yes
[06:14] <sinclair> okays :D
[06:14] <LjL> yes = restricted formats
[06:14] <notech> i dont found it in system but done kdesu adept,is it right anyway?
[06:15] <LjL> in general, i don't know. if a document refers to Gnome specifically, then it doesn't apply to Kubuntu, but if it doesn't, it does
[06:15] <notech> it says me it is read mode only,because i need to be root! huh? i do kdesu!
[06:15] <LjL> notech: it ought to be in system, but, yeah
[06:15] <CellarDoor> http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html
[06:15] <CellarDoor> theres one link
[06:15] <Stele> thanks Riddell
[06:16] <CellarDoor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <CellarDoor> covers kubuntu as well
[06:16] <bhna> Riddell: ok. thanks. i changed it only in rc0.d. i think this shoud be changed in dapper?
[06:16] <JoeBu> anybody here got the drupal pkg to work ?
[06:16] <Riddell> bhna: cool, please file a bug on bugzilla
[06:17] <JoeBu> it is supposed to install all the dependencies for php but I dont think its firin on all cylinders
[06:18] <CellarDoor> notech: xorg-driver-fglrx is the one you want I think... if you just open the Package Manager (Adept) as you would any other program it will ask you for your password.
[06:18] <notech> yes,i write my psw. but it says read only mode needto be root!
[06:19] <CellarDoor> hmm
[06:19] <jatos> hi
[06:19] <JoeBu> caps lock?
[06:19] <N1omi> how can i launch kbattery from CLI?
[06:19] <jatos> does anyone here know a linux program to mirro hd's?
[06:19] <LjL> jatos: dd, i suppose
[06:19] <Stele> i assume kubuntu uses glibc2.3?
[06:19] <N1omi> xcopy
[06:20] <Stele> is there a command to determine glibc version?
[06:20] <CellarDoor> notech: just start it up again and type your password in the dialoge when it comes up and click ok... it shouldn't be in read only mode
[06:20] <JoeBu> jatos: like rsync?
[06:20] <notech> cellardoor: my vga is not listed there do i need to install it ?
[06:20] <jatos> ah thanks
[06:20] <CellarDoor> notech: your graphics card ?
[06:21] <CellarDoor> what was it again ?
[06:21] <notech> ati igp 345M
[06:21] <jatos> rsync, would that copy two partition from my 40 gig hd to my 80gig hd?
[06:22] <JoeBu> jatos, you can use plain old tar for that if you are just doing a backup
[06:22] <JoeBu> what u using it for?
[06:23] <CellarDoor> notech: two options I guess - you could install the xorg-driver-fglrx and see if it works, or you could check out the ATI website and see if they have drivers...
[06:23] <jatos> no what I am doing is moving the partitions on windows hd so I can format the $) and put linux on it
[06:24] <jatos> *80
[06:24] <JoeBu> jatos, tar will work...there is an excellent howto on the ubuntuforums board detailing how to backup your system
[06:24] <jatos> its not a backup
[06:25] <JoeBu> ah, sorry
[06:25] <CellarDoor> notech: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300
[06:25] <hellblade> notech what is your laptop name?
[06:26] <JoeBu> jatos, i would use knoppix to fool with my partitions
[06:26] <jatos> the partitions need to be bootable  once mirrored
[06:26] <jatos> I sticking qtparted on ubuntu live
[06:26] <JoeBu> brb
[06:26] <jatos> I can and have installed qtparted on linux live, its small enough todo that
[06:27] <jatos> I would use knoppix but my knoppix cvd has stopped working
[06:27] <CellarDoor> oh good grief ATI suck
[06:27] <Snake__> Yep
[06:27] <jatos> i stratched part of the data surface off by accident
[06:27] <CellarDoor> in their list of popular distributions, they dont list ubuntu
[06:28] <notech> Sony vaio fr415s
[06:28] <Snake__> They probly list debian..
[06:28] <CellarDoor> yeah debian is there
[06:28] <notech> i was googling about my vga and there are some drivers but not for kubuntu..
[06:28] <Snake__> They probly list ubuntu under debian
[06:28] <icewt> CellarDoor: well, ubuntu is still relatively new
[06:28] <JoeBu> jatos, i would also recommend taking a look at The ultimate Boot CD
[06:28] <Snake__> Because thats technecly the distro
[06:28] <jatos> thanks...
[06:28] <JoeBu> in firefox, type ultimate boot cd in the address bar
[06:28] <Snake__> I bet they dont have knoppix on there
[06:28] <CellarDoor> icewt: too new for ATI it seems, but not for nvidia ;)
[06:29] <JoeBu> and also try "INSERT"
[06:29] <hellblade> notech: take a look at this if the official ati driver doesn't work for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATIOnBreezyOpenGLFix
[06:29] <jatos> I am gonna go now cu
[06:29] <JoeBu> which is on that cd
[06:29] <Snake__> They should put the drivers in the repos and make life easy
[06:29] <CellarDoor> ah nice one hellblade 
[06:29] <icewt> CellarDoor: i think they are just lazy in updating such lists ;)
[06:29] <JoeBu> actually the full version of the UBCD has INSERT on it which is based around knoppix
[06:31] <notech> Ugh,it seems really hard! I will ask help to someone at linux day next saturday! thank u anyway
[06:31] <hellblade> I have to go now. next weekend I will try kubuntu and probably stick with it so I'll be here for help:) good luck with yr driver notech! cya guys
[06:31] <notech> see u!
[06:32] <CellarDoor> cya
[06:33] <CellarDoor> the link hellblade posted should see you right notech :)
[06:33] <laptop> i have klaptop and my battery doeesnt seem to charge, is there anything im missing to charge a laptop battery?
[06:33] <notech> lets hope
[06:33] <CellarDoor> :)
[06:33] <CellarDoor> fingers crossed eh
[06:34] <JoeBu> anybody successfully got drupal running on LAMP?
[06:34] <CellarDoor> I made sure i got an nvidia card because I know ATI are a headache :P
[06:34] <notech> lol
[06:35] <sinclair> um, how can i acces the terminal for a sudo command?
[06:35] <notech> in windoze it does good
[06:35] <CellarDoor> ATI need to be convinced, "this affects sales" to Linux customers
[06:35] <CellarDoor> notech: yeah, its all about driver support
[06:35] <notech> where do i come from Cellar?
[06:36] <CellarDoor> I dunno, where do you come from ? :P
[06:36] <notech> (in windoze i can overclock it too)
[06:36] <notech> err..
[06:36] <notech> :)
[06:36] <CellarDoor> wb icewt 
[06:36] <notech> au?
[06:37] <CellarDoor> yes
[06:37] <notech> :)
[06:37] <notech> just whoised
[06:37] <conn> can someone look at my Xorg log? I'm getting unresolved symbol errors and I get segfaults when running GLX-enabled apps in resolutions bigger than 1024x768. Here's the Xorg log: http://pastebin.ca/29280
[06:37] <h> I successfully modprobe snd-intel8x0m for my modem. But I still don't see /dev/modem. What should I do?
[06:38] <newbie911> hi pp, does anibody knows why accents dont work in kvirc with ubuntu?
[06:39] <Flosoft> does anyone know why there is such an old version of kvirc in kubuntu?
[06:39] <Flosoft> and could someone put that up2date?
[06:39] <CellarDoor> egads ! all these questions I have no answers to :P
[06:40] <apokryphos> !info kvirc
[06:40] <ubotu> kvirc: (Fully scriptable graphical IRC client with plugin support), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2:2.1.3.1-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1365 kB, Installed size: 4064 kB
[06:40] <CellarDoor> ah yes, ubotu, of course
[06:40] <Flosoft> yes ...
[06:40] <apokryphos> Flosoft: not *that* old at all
[06:40] <Flosoft> well it is
[06:40] <Flosoft> 3.20 is out
[06:40] <apokryphos> again, not that old
[06:41] <Flosoft> but there is quite a difference
[06:41] <Flosoft> especially in the interface
[06:41] <Flosoft> I already had a 3.xx version on my old SuSE 9.0
[06:43] <CellarDoor> SuSE are a bit bleeding edge at times... they had Kaffeine packaged as part of SuSE long before It was usable :P
[06:43] <bhna> Riddell: the hplip bug is in bugzilla: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17298
[06:44] <l3m> Flosoft: Konversation is better than kvirc anyway.. ;)
[06:44] <icewt> about the k menu problem, the things i've tried to manually add there with kmenuedit are in ~/.local/share/applications, but they just don't show up in the menu, except for one which i added before this problem appeared
[06:44] <CellarDoor> yay Konversation r0x0rs
[06:44] <Flosoft> nah ... I don't like them
[06:45] <Flosoft> I use KVIrc because it has a nice Interfice and is easy to use
[06:45] <CellarDoor> I have baghira installed, and konversation looks gorgeous :P
[06:45] <Riddell> bhna: thanks
[06:46] <l3m> hehe i don't use kvirc because it has a sucky interface and Konversation offers everything i would want from an irc client hehe
[06:46] <laptop> i have klaptop and my battery doeesnt seem to charge, is there anything im missing to charge a laptop battery?
[06:46] <Flosoft> hehe
[06:47] <notech-away> laptop: maybe acpi
[06:49] <laptop> i have acpi installed, could it be anything else(tried 2 batteries also)
[06:49] <Flosoft> so I would really be happy if there would be a 3.20 KVIrc Kubuntu version
[06:50] <Flosoft> in my Synaptic
[06:51] <Flosoft> on another topic ....
[06:51] <Flosoft> I don't have any sound
[06:52] <Flosoft> only from my Sound Card Line and Mic
[06:52] <CellarDoor> nite all
[06:52] <Flosoft> I have 2 soundcards
[06:52] <Flosoft> CellarDoor: niete
[06:52] <Flosoft> CellarDoor: *nite
[06:54] <Flosoft> what happened there?
[06:56] <Flosoft> well that is something I don't get ... now it works
[06:56] <Flosoft> were there any fixes this morning regarding that?
[06:58] <N1omi> can i launch kbattery from CLI?
[07:09] <GeniusDex> should i be able to use kubuntu 5.10 to compile a kernel module for debian's latest installer, which uses a 2.6.12 kernel ?
[07:16] <conn> does anyone notice problems with the transparent rectangle selection on the desktop? If I drag the mouse on the desktop, it causes Xorg's cpu to go right up to 97%.. does anyone have a similar problem?
[07:24] <Stele> conn: selection seemed pretty sluggish to me too
[07:25] <Stele> and i have a very fast video card
[07:26] <tejon> Hola
[07:26] <tejon> saludos a todos
[07:27] <Flosoft> hola
[07:29] <tejon> Hola Flosodt
[07:29] <tejon> perdon, Flosoft
[07:29] <tejon> de donde eres=
[07:29] <conn> Stele: do you notice 2D performance problems in other operations?
[07:29] <Stele> not really
[07:30] <conn> ok, thanks
[07:31] <Stele> i think the transparent selection is just not written too well
[07:34] <Stele> you can set the rubberband effect to disabled in Appearance/Style settings
[07:35] <slow-motion> re
[07:36] <sinclair> how is it with ipods and kubuntu.. is GTKpod good for that? no risk to get everything lost?
[07:39] <Flosoft> soy de Bruselas
[07:41] <tejon> hablas belga
[07:42] <tejon> mucho gusto, yo soy de Guadalajara, Mexico
[07:42] <Flosoft> ah ..
[07:42] <Flosoft> no es cerca ;)
[07:45] <NCLife> tejon, yo soy de Cuernavaca mexico :D
[07:45] <l3m> NCLife: amarok is good with ipod. there's also an ipod io slave, for use with konqui.
[07:46] <NCLife> apokryphos:  i am really new to this.. i connected my ipod and it said something is not mount..
[07:47] <NCLife> oh I3m, do i need to install something first before to get my ipod to run?
[07:47] <toko1213> I have a tv show transcript I'd like to parse. so that each persons words go into a seperate file. The oginal file is in html the waty is is set up say four people ar talking u,x,y,z   like this x: blah blah blah maybe many lines with nl   z: blah ,blah, blah.... x: blah..... u: blah, blah... 
[07:47] <toko1213> what shoiuld I be looking at to get started?
[07:48] <l3m> NCLife: i just plugged my ipod shuffle into the usb slot, it was recognized automagically and amarok also auto-showed the tracks on it
[07:48] <l3m> you can (if you want, it's optional) install ipodslave (sudo apt-get install ipodslave), then you can access the data on your ipod directly.. 
[07:49] <NCLife> uoh :o well mine tryed to open with konqueror to show it like a hd i guess but it said /media not found or something like that
[07:49] <NCLife> oh, okay, i gonna try that :)
[07:49] <NCLife> but, ehm.. a silly question. Where do i find the sudo commandline? >.<
[07:50] <l3m> NCLife: you do need the ipodslave to properly have it show in konqui ( otherwise you'll jsut see the "usb stick" kind of view, which sucks since it's not what the ipod itself shows you when you use it ( yeah apple ipoddb crap at work )
[07:50] <GeniusDex> konsole (K -> System -> Konsole)
[07:50] <l3m> NCLife: just type "sudo apt-get..." in konsole
[07:51] <NCLife> okays :)
[07:51] <l3m> NCLife: you can also use the adept package manager
[07:52] <l3m> which allows installation without having to type in anything into a console...
[07:53] <NCLife> oh yes, that was one of my doubts, if adept is like synaptic
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> good morning all
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[07:54] <ubotu> bonjour
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> that is still fun
[07:54] <NCLife> but right now, i just have to type in the konsole sudo apt-get ipodslave?
[07:57] <NCLife> I3m: what is the code that i have to put in?
[07:57] <NCLife> sudo apt-get ipodslave?
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> you can try it
[07:57] <il_pez> problemas para recibir mail, alguien me puede ayudar?
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> or go to wiki.ubuntu.org and search for the list of packages
[07:58] <l3m> yes
[07:58] <NCLife> oh, okayz
[07:58] <l3m> sudo apt-get install ipodslave
[07:59] <l3m> NCLife: if you're used to synaptic, there's also kynaptic 
[07:59] <l3m> NCLife: which is a kde-gui'd synaptic
[08:00] <NCLife> hah, no, im not used to anything in linux :p
[08:00] <l3m> ah ok ;)
[08:01] <NCLife> uh, it says couldnt find ipodslave package
[08:01] <che_benway> hi all. having some startup problems. my system spends about 3 mins "waiting for network interfaces". Any help would be appreciate
[08:01] <Snake__> Hey hows it going l3m
[08:02] <GeniusDex> che_benway: it probably can't get DHCP, but that's a wild guess
[08:02] <l3m> fine ty :) 
[08:03] <stian_> hey.
[08:03] <jpatrick> stian_: hello
[08:03] <NCLife> :_( I3m, package ipodslave couldnt be found
[08:03] <l3m> NCLife: ah it's probably in the multiverse
[08:03] <toko1213> just got rosegarden working on kubuntu
[08:03] <l3m> !multiverse
[08:03] <ubotu> [repositories]  How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[08:03] <stian_> I just burnt a Kubuntu PowerPC image (live) and am trying to boot my Ibook G4... when I hold C in on boot, it doesn't have any effect. OSX boots. (I am sure I burnt it as a cd image and not a file)
[08:04] <toko1213> works pretty well upto 7 channels
[08:04] <chaoticgeek> I seen something like this before
[08:04] <che_benway> GeniusDex not sure what this means
[08:04] <chaoticgeek> I cant remember what he did 
[08:04] <toko1213> p4 1.5 512 mb
[08:05] <toko1213> sound blaster live 5.1
[08:05] <chaoticgeek> stian_: have you tried going into the boot options in OSX and chaning it to boot from cd automaticly?
[08:05] <GeniusDex> che_benway: DHCP is a way for network interfaces to get their network information, if it's not present on your network it will just sit there and wait for a response it will never receive
[08:05] <stian_> hm
[08:06] <stian_> from system preferences?
[08:06] <chaoticgeek> ya its somewhere in system pref. I dont use a mac much, but I know its there
[08:07] <stian_> hm, it's not listed under system startup disks.
[08:07] <che_benway> GeniusDex: i think it is available on my system. i have a cable broadband connection
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> my old highscool recently converted to macs and I was helping out over the summer and we had to boot to a cd and there was something like that.
[08:07] <GeniusDex> che_benway: do you have any form of router installed?
[08:07] <chaoticgeek> but the IT manager went into the system prefrences and made it boot to cd first
[08:07] <che_benway> GeniusDex: yes
[08:07] <NCLife> cries* :p
[08:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> has anyone here ever gotten kaffenine to work?
[08:08] <che_benway> GeniusDex: have a D Link router and share the connection with another pc
[08:08] <GeniusDex> they usually provide DHCP, can't really help you then
[08:08] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !multiverse
[08:08] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: works for me
[08:08] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !multiverse
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, did it work right off the bat?
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: well i had to install gstreamer plugins i suppose
[08:09] <che_benway> GeniusDex: ok. thanks anyway. Started having this problem since I replaced my network card
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, what processor do u use?
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: amd sempron
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> ljl is it a laptop?
[08:09] <chaoticgeek> I've got a sempron
[08:09] <LjL> Sonny_Wertzik: no
[08:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> LjL, thx for the info...ill have to check into this more
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about !sources
[08:11] <l3m> !sources
[08:11] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about sources
[08:11] <l3m> ubotu: tell NCLife -about multiverse
[08:11] <chaoticgeek> whats so good about drapper kubuntu image?
[08:11] <LjL> about what?
[08:12] <LjL> dapper flight-1 you mean?
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ya
[08:12] <l3m> it breaks
[08:12] <l3m> :)
[08:12] <LjL> i don't think there's anything "so good", it's just a very preliminary release of the next version of (k)ubuntu
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ok
[08:22] <Riddell> l3m: how does it break?
[08:23] <l3m> dunno but it's a prerelease so its bound to, one way or another :)
[08:28] <dell500> why doesn't the command 'sudo chown -R dell500:dell500 /path/to/raiddevice' not work? i get access to all the other folders except my mp3 folder, it has a lock symbol on it
[08:33] <NCLife> thanks for the help I3m, ill try it later :pp
[08:35] <sampan> i'm on a P4 ... no custom kernal (just stock breezy) so, does it matter if i choose mplayer-386 or mplayer-586 or mplayer-686?  are those for different kernals only?  
[08:36] <GeniusDex> 386 will be optimized for i386 processors, 586 for i586, etc
[08:36] <GeniusDex> i believe P4 classifies as i686
[08:36] <GeniusDex> older processors will work, but less optimized
[08:36] <LjL> Riddell: on 3.5rc1, when i change the Fonts settings, it always tells me that "the anti-aliasing settings has been changed and will only apply to newly started applications", even if i don't change the anti-aliasing settings at all. file a bug=
[08:36] <LjL> ?
[08:37] <sampan> GeniusDex, yeah that's what i was hoping -- I just wondered if they would also need a custom kernal (since kubuntu's stock kernel is 386) or if it didn't matter
[08:37] <GeniusDex> don't think so
[08:37] <GeniusDex> but if it doesn't work you can always 'downgrade'
[08:37] <sampan> *cross fingers and pull the trigger*
[08:37] <sampan> :D
[08:37] <l3m> sampan: it doesn't matter except for tiny performance improvements when using the "right" one
[08:37] <l3m> sampan: no they work with any kernel
[08:37] <sampan> thanks l3m :) that's what i wanted to hear
[08:38] <LjL> sampan: hm, why not just install the kernel that's right for your machine anyway?
[08:38] <Flosoft> my sound is dead again
[08:38] <Flosoft> :S
[08:38] <dell500> how do you get read/write privilidges to a certain folder?
[08:38] <jpatrick> dell500: kdesu konqueror
[08:39] <gupta> Hey while backing up system with tar, should tmp folde rbe left out?
[08:39] <LjL> dell500: chmod +rw /dir/ect/ory
[08:39] <dell500> thanks LjL 
[08:39] <dell500> LjL, is there a command to tell you the group and name of the user you're on?
[08:39] <gupta> The howto doesn't specify and includes the tmp folder in the backup :\
[08:39] <sampan> LjL, because i have enough trouble already without adding a kernel upgrade to my terrible mix -- i seem to FIND ways to break stuff
[08:40] <sampan> or rather, invent
[08:40] <sampan> :/
[08:40] <LjL> gupta: it's your choice, but /tmp isn't really supposed to contain anything important
[08:40] <LjL> dell500: whoami tells you the user
[08:40] <gupta> K, but that means it could contain imp stuff. What abt u ppl, do you include it?
[08:41] <LjL> sampan: oh, well, must say it worked perfectly well for me -- "aptitude install linux-k7" (since i've got a k7)
[08:41] <ravel> greetings. does anyone else have problems when using Kubuntu and Konqueror and browsing thumbnail galleries?
[08:41] <l3m>     /tmp is deleted everytime you boot, so it better doesn't contain anything persistently important
[08:42] <l3m> but some files created in /tmp are important for currently running processes ( eg. X, KDE )
[08:42] <ravel> i am using Kubuntu 5.10, KDE 3.5 beta on x86, on many websites I can't see all the pictures, especially if they are thumbnails
[08:42] <gupta> thanks l3m. That clears everything :)
[08:42] <LjL> dell500: and "groups <user>" tells you the groups a user belogs to
[08:42] <ravel> (I had the same problem with 5.04 and KDE 3.4)
[08:42] <dell500> LjL, is there a way to make it specific for certain users/groups (dell500:dell500)?
[08:43] <LjL> dell500: no, you can only make it specific to *the* user and, if you want, *the* groups that own the file
[08:43] <l3m> ravel: can you give a link where it doesnt work for you? 
[08:43] <dell500> LjL, k
[08:43] <ravel> l3m: yes - http://mikko.tuomela.net/?p=gallery_interrail2en - on this page five of the thumbnails aren't shown in my Konqueror, but Firefox shows them
[08:43] <LjL> dell500: if you want to give a file *group* permissions, it's chmod g+something (where "something" may be "rw")
[08:44] <LjL> dell500: "ls -l <file>" will tell you who the owner and the group of a file are, and "chown" let you change them
[08:44] <l3m> works fine here
[08:44] <dell500> LjL, sweet!
[08:44] <l3m> ravel: works fine here
[08:44] <dell500> LjL, just got permission to all my files, w00t
[08:45] <ravel> l3m, yeah, I think this is very strange. but in some thumbnail galleries all the pics fail to render
[08:45] <l3m> hmm..do you have a "bad" internet connection?
[08:45] <ravel> no
[08:45] <LjL> dell500: chmod and chown have an "-R" option to act recursively, btw
[08:45] <l3m> konqui shows pics only if downloaded completely, i think FF already shows them if only 1/3 or so is received yet
[08:46] <Bicchi> what do i need to install to play .wmv files.
[08:46] <l3m> Bicchi: mplayer and w32codecs
[08:46] <l3m> !sevea
[08:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, l3m
[08:47] <l3m> !seveas
[08:47] <ubotu> l3m: What?
[08:47] <l3m> !w32codecs
[08:47] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntu.nl/
[08:47] <ravel> l3m, hmm, I tried with another user, works ok. I don't believe this is about adblock but it might be one reason even though not probable
[08:48] <l3m> hm do none of the pictures show or do some show and some not?
[08:48] <ravel> yeah, it is not about that
[08:48] <ravel> l3m, on that gallery page (the pasted url) five of the thumbnails fail to show. on some other pages, all of them fail to show
[08:49] <dell500> LjL, ya, figured that out after i did the command :)
[08:49] <l3m> ravel: hmm i have no idea, sorry
[08:50] <ravel> l3m, and interestingly if you load the thumbnails with their url (not embedded into the page), they are displayed OK.
[08:52] <hussam> in system settings/ system services, you can add services or remove from rc0.d , rc1.d .... to rc6.d , but it doesn't do rcs.d?
[08:52] <hussam> is this intentionally left out or a bug?
[08:52] <hussam> sorry that's rcS.d
[08:53] <l3m> hussam: there's a "start at boot" box
[08:54] <l3m> hussam: which does exactly that ;)
[08:54] <hussam>  l3m: yes I got tthat, but if you notice it only adds services to rc0.d ...to rc6.d
[08:55] <hussam>  l3m: it doesn't touch rcS.d
[08:55] <GeniusDex> Does anyone have a clue how i can get this SATA controller wroking with kubuntu: Adaptec AIC-8130: (Marvell 88SX6041) 4-port Hercules-2, rev B2, SATA Controller ?
[08:57] <hussam> l3m: you got my point?
[08:57] <l3m> hussam: ah.
[08:58] <l3m> hussam: maybe use sysv-rc-conf or ksysv
[09:00] <ravel> okay, the solution: remove from adblock.css the line which says that all 150x100 images should be blocked. :-P
[09:00] <hussam> l3m: even ksysv only sees runlevels 0 to 6
[09:01] <hussam> l3m: I'm really still lost on what each runlevel means? where I can get more info on that? and how it works?
[09:02] <hussam> l3m: I still have a lot to learn about some things about linux like services
[09:05] <l3m> hussam: well each runlevel is a set of services
[09:06] <l3m> hussam: 1 = singleuser mode, 2 = multiusermode but no X, 3 = multiuser with X (traditionally)
[09:06] <hussam> what's runlevel S ?
[09:06] <hussam> in rcS.d?
[09:06] <l3m> startup
[09:07] <l3m> but .. well the runlevels are "user defined", that means that actually each runlevel can be whatever you want
[09:07] <l3m> ^^these are just the defaults
[09:07] <hussam> ok I see
[09:07] <l3m> oops
[09:07] <l3m>  S = singleuser
[09:07] <l3m> 0 = startup
[09:07] <neoncode> I'm just wondering... does KDE have any kind of Widget system? like "Konfabulator" for mac and windoze?
[09:07] <hussam> oh
[09:08] <l3m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[09:08] <l3m> hussam: anyway, what is important that for a desktop, you're in runlevel 3 unless it's an emergency 
[09:09] <l3m> hussam: you only need singleuser mode for repairing really broken systems
[09:09] <GeniusDex> neoncode: do you mean superkaramba?
[09:09] <neoncode> GeniusDex: What's what? I'm new to linux....
[09:09] <l3m> yeah
[09:09] <neoncode> What's that sorry
[09:09] <l3m> superkaramba is "linux-konfabulator"
[09:09] <l3m> only better ;) 
[09:09] <GeniusDex> as l3m said ;)
[09:10] <neoncode> is it avalable though synaptic?
[09:10] <GeniusDex> should be
[09:11] <l3m> superkaramba - a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE
[09:11] <neoncode> oh and just as a quick question, is there a reason why kynaptic is no-where near as good as synaptic?
[09:11] <l3m> apt-cache search <keyword> helps in such cases
[09:11] <l3m> neoncode: adept
[09:11] <LjL> neoncode: it's much younger
[09:11] <l3m> !adept
[09:11] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[09:12] <neoncode> I've seen adept. I don't realy like it...
[09:12] <neoncode> Ahh superkaramba is avalable though synaptic... good
[09:13] <GeniusDex> so do i l3m, but i'm (still) a debian-user after all ;)
[09:13] <neoncode> are programs like adept and synaptic/kynaptic based on apt-get?
[09:13] <Fillado> yup
[09:13] <LjL> neoncode: not generally
[09:14] <Fillado> :|
[09:14] <LjL> they're based on the APT framework, not necessarily apt-get
[09:14] <GeniusDex> apt-get is a purely command line tool, adept/kynaptic/etc are graphical tools with the same goal
[09:14] <Fillado> ah
[09:14] <LjL> GeniusDex: and a poor one at it, anyway -- in other words, use aptitude ;)
[09:14] <GeniusDex> apt-get will do ;)
[09:14] <l3m> LjL: boeh ;)
[09:15] <GeniusDex> i'm not a too big fan of menu-based package selectors
[09:15] <l3m> apt-get is the easiest and fastest way to manage packages 
[09:15] <neoncode> so what exacly *is* apt? 
[09:15] <GeniusDex> they remind me of redhat too much, but that' mostly something personal
[09:15] <LjL> GeniusDex: will it remember what dependencies it auto-installed for me, and remove them when they're no longer needed, so that i don't end up with some hundred megs wasted space?
[09:15] <l3m> !apt
[09:15] <ubotu> apt is, like, totally, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[09:15] <LjL> neoncode: the Debian package management system
[09:15] <GeniusDex> LjL: not that i know
[09:15] <toko1213> what is cups admin passwd?
[09:15] <toko1213> sudo passwd don't work
[09:15] <GeniusDex> toko1213: i believe it's your root password, but i'm not sure
[09:16] <LjL> GeniusDex: that's because it doesn't, and it's also why aptitude is better ;)
[09:16] <Chani> how is usb stuff supposed to work in kunbuntu? I installed it on a friend's comp and it... was rather confused about where my usb key was when I plugged it in
[09:16] <GeniusDex> LjL: ok, i agree :P
[09:16] <GeniusDex> LjL: i've only seen it once quickly tho
[09:16] <l3m> GeniusDex: well i'm also a debian user, i just tried kubu for my laptop and really like it. sleep + hibernate + special keys work out of the box, yay 
[09:16] <LjL> GeniusDex: you don't have to "see" it, you can just use it like you use apt-get. i've never once used aptitude's GUI
[09:16] <GeniusDex> hmmm
[09:16] <GeniusDex> sounds good
[09:17] <LjL> GeniusDex: "aptitude install <package>", "aptitude remove <package>", "aptitude purge <package>", etc
[09:17] <GeniusDex> l3m: my box is dead right now anyways, using a laptop i'm lending from a friend
[09:17] <LjL> i just don't see why people keep using apt-get, when they can do the *very same* things (and more) with aptitude
[09:17] <neoncode> what are the difrences beetween apt-get and aptitude?
[09:17] <GeniusDex> i'll give aptitude a try when my box is alive again
[09:17] <Chani> GeniusDex: if cups uses the root password (eeevil cups) then... umm.. what about the fact that ubuntu doesn't seem to have a root password?
[09:17] <Fillado> [20:16]  <Chani> how is usb stuff supposed to work in kunbuntu? I installed it on a friend's comp and it... was rather confused about where my usb key was when I plugged it in <-- comes up automatically
[09:17] <LjL> and "aptitude dist-upgrade" of course, which is quite useful and better than apt-get's
[09:17] <LjL> neoncode: see what i said above
[09:17] <Fillado> on the desktop
[09:17] <GeniusDex> Chani: no clue, i never used cups on ubuntu
[09:18] <l3m> LjL: aptitude is just a frontend, it doesn' thave any functionality you don't have in console tools
[09:18] <Chani> Fillado: well, that's nice when it *works*, but it doesn't. :( it *tries* to come up automatically, but then doesn't. I think either the device isn't where it thinks, or the device isn't anywhere at all
[09:18] <GeniusDex> i have a server in front of me i can't get kubuntu or debian to run on :/
[09:18] <GeniusDex> they both don't seem to have the appropiate kernel module for the SATA controller
[09:18] <LjL> l3m: what are you talking about exactly?
[09:18] <Fillado> if it can work for an ipod it should work for everything else :D
[09:18] <Chani> GeniusDex: me neither. but I might have to learn soon... trying to convince my bf to make the switch
[09:18] <LjL> l3m: how exactly would you implement aptitude's functionality with console tools?
[09:19] <Chani> Fillado: "should" is the key word :(
[09:19] <GeniusDex> the printerserver here is running debian, that won't change anytime soon
[09:19] <l3m> LjL: man apt-cache, man apt-file, man deborphan
[09:19] <Chani> what do I do when stuff like that fails? in gentoo, if it failed it was always because *I* forgot to load the module. but in ubuntu... everything's all shiny and I'm afraid to try tweaking stuff
[09:20] <LjL> l3m: pleeeease... don't compare deborphan with aptitude, come on
[09:20] <l3m> ;) 
[09:20] <l3m> welll 
[09:20] <Fillado> just chucked one in mine - works great :)
[09:21] <Chani> (unfortunately my friend's cable is screwed up right now, so I can't fix it yet, but I'd like an idea of some sort about how to *try* to fix it)
[09:21] <LjL> l3m: how (short of writing a complicated, custom script that basically would replicate aptitude) would i use deborphan to *automatically* remove *those* dependencies (and *only* those) that were installed automatically by apt-get, and are not dependend upon anymore?
[09:21] <l3m> Chani: plugin the usb device and then check all /dev/sxy devices 
[09:21] <neoncode> does sudo act the same in debian as it does in kubuntu? I mean in debian does it ask for your actual root pastword or your user password still?
[09:21] <LjL> neoncode: root
[09:21] <Fillado> or type "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:21] <Chani> sudo is sudo. everywhere
[09:21] <LjL> neoncode: i mean, sorry
[09:21] <l3m> LjL: ok. ;)
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: the desktop asks you for your root password, sudo -- if you use it -- asks for your user password
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: but you're not a sudoer by default in debian
[09:22] <neoncode> sudoer?
[09:22] <Chani> neoncode: the purpose of sudo is to allow you root *without* knowing the root password :) so if it asked for the root password it'd be kinda silly
[09:22] <LjL> neoncode: /etc/sudoers
[09:22] <Chani> sudoer: someone that can use sudo
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode: (do NOT modify that file manually)
[09:23] <neoncode> what happens if i do?
[09:23] <Chani> LjL: why? :)
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode, Chani: "man visudo"
[09:23] <neoncode> Will it relise a swarm of evil deamons if i do?
[09:23] <LjL> neoncode: you might
[09:23] <l3m> Chani: you might also try "media:/" in konqui after plugging in the usb stick
[09:25] <Chani> l3m: no, that's what it tries. like I said, the automagic stuff is failing. it can't open it
[09:25] <Chani> l3m: either it didn't create the device, or it created it in the wrong place, I think...
[09:25] <neoncode> yay! I got my first superkramba widget working!
[09:26] <Chani> and since I can't find a device for it, I can't try to manually mount it either
[09:26] <l3m> Chani: hmm did you check that it didn't open a new window asking you what to do? that window sometimes does not properly put itself in front of other currently active windows
[09:26] <l3m> alt-tabbing or looking at the window list helps
[09:26] <Chani> l3m: what I am saying is that is DOES open that window
[09:26] <l3m> ok
[09:27] <Chani> I'm telling you it TRIES to do this stuff. but then the windopw gives me an error and it fails
[09:27] <neoncode> oh, is there any kind of 3D benchmarking program for linux?
[09:27] <l3m> what error?
[09:27] <l3m> what's the error message?
[09:27] <Chani> I can't remember any more. either it couldn't open, or couldn't find the device I think. I'm just looking for some vague idea of how to approach the problem, how to go about trying to solve it
[09:28] <l3m> anyway, the auto mounter mounts stuff in /media/usbx
[09:28] <Chani> I don't want to go over to my friend's house and spend 6 hours on *her* computer talking to you guys about how it won't work
[09:28] <l3m> try if you see something there while the "what to do" window is oen
[09:28] <Chani> mmkay, I'll have a look in that folder next time I'm there
[09:29] <l3m> Chani: well just ssh -X to her computer, then you don't have to go over at all ? ;)
[09:29] <fatejudger> I'm trying to get my Intel PC Camera to work, does anyone know of a good way to get it to work in Kubuntu?
[09:29] <GeniusDex> fatejudger: plug it in and try it?
[09:29] <Chani> thing is, iirc dmesg didn't give me as many messages as I was expecting... in gentoo, after it talsk about sda n'stuff there'll then be a message aboiut sda1, which is where gentoo puts the usb key...
[09:29] <LjL> l3m: by the way, about apt-file, try auto-apt instead, it's way faster searching
[09:30] <Chani> l3m: two problems: I can't test plugging it in remotely, and like I said earlier her cable is down
[09:31] <l3m> Chani: oh. 
[09:31] <Chani> fatejudger: hmm. I never even tried with my intel cam. it wasn't supported 5 years ago... I suppose I should see if it's supported by now :)
[09:31] <l3m> Chani: anyway, after automount failed you can try to mount it by hand
[09:32] <Chani> at least she has the tech support number now... hopefully she'll call them today. modem's screwed up
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: I found a driver on sourceforge
[09:32] <Chani> cool
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: I can't download it though
[09:32] <fatejudger> Chani: SourceForge is broken
[09:33] <Chani> eeevil
[09:33] <fatejudger> ?
[09:33] <neoncode> what happened to SourceForge?
[09:33] <Chani> heh, I havent used sourceforge in a heck of a long time. I'm used to every package ever being in portage :)
[09:33] <toko1213> what is cups admin passwd?
[09:34] <toko1213> how to start the printer wizard as root?
[09:34] <Chani> toko1213: I think you'll have to guess :( it's not your password or the root password?
[09:34] <toko1213> no
[09:34] <pipitas> toko1213: there probably is no password set, initially
[09:34] <Chani> on gentoo it's the root password...
[09:34] <Chani> toko1213: have you set a root password at all?
[09:34] <Chani> not sudo, root
[09:35] <neoncode> I wonder what distro linux travolis uses.....
[09:35] <pipitas> toko1213: you need to first set the password. Run (as root): "lppasswd -a root" to add root to the CUPS admin database
[09:35] <Chani> btw, anyone know how to get streaming audio in linux? no matter what I do I can't get it to work
[09:36] <Supermule> What kind of streaming audio?
[09:36] <Chani> any kind, really :(
[09:36] <Supermule> format?
[09:36] <pipitas> toko1213: to start the printer wizard as root would not help as long as root can't admin CUPS
[09:36] <Chani> mp3 would be best
[09:36] <Chani> most of the time things just crash
[09:36] <l3m> !root
[09:36] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:37] <Supermule> Hmm... gstreamer, xine etc... supports streaming audio.
[09:37] <neoncode> How do I install GNOME? do I need to install GDM or will haveing KDM be enough? I still want KDE to be my main desktop.
[09:38] <gupta> From the unofficial guide. This seems down: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main . Any mirrors?
[09:39] <fatejudger> Chani: wow, this driver sounds dangerous
[09:39] <fatejudger> Chani: http://spca50x.sourceforge.net
[09:39] <obsvuugj> neoncode> apt-get install ubutnu-desktop
[09:39] <obsvuugj> then it will ask if you want KDM or GDM
[09:40] <LjL> see? this is the perfect example of "why use aptitude"
[09:40] <neoncode> LjL: what?
[09:40] <LjL> install ubuntu-desktop using apt-get, and then sense the fun in removing it later ;)
[09:40] <fatejudger> lol
[09:40] <fatejudger> Gnome is horrible
[09:41] <neoncode> ... I don;t get it...
[09:41] <fatejudger> and you never will...
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: well ubuntu-desktop installs a ton of packages
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: if you later decide you want to remove it, you'll have to remove all the packages one by one, if you installed it using apt-get
[09:41] <fatejudger> neoncode: umm, why do you want Gnome then?
[09:41] <LjL> neoncode: if you use aptitude, "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" will do the trickl
[09:41] <fatejudger> LjL: wtf?
[09:41] <neoncode> can I just use aptitude later or does it have to install it first?
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: it's apt-get remove
[09:42] <LjL> fatejudger: why?
[09:42] <neoncode> is ubuntu-desktop a metapakage?
[09:42] <LjL> neoncode: no, it can only do it with packages it installed itself
[09:42] <LjL> neoncode: yes, it is
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: because, apt-get has super cow powers
[09:42] <LjL> fatejudger: ah, ok :-P
[09:42] <fatejudger> LjL: I'm serious god damnit
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: apt-get --help
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: aptitude --help
[09:43] <toko1213> channged lppasswd does not work still?
[09:43] <LjL> fatejudger: i know :-P
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: but aptitude does not have super cow powers
[09:43] <fatejudger> LjL: that has to mean something...
[09:43] <neoncode> LjL: Ah.. well In my newbish'ness i went into the GNOME software section on synaptic and installed all the pagages that looked important >_< in retrospect it was a bad idea...
[09:44] <neoncode> GNOME won't work though...
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: yes, yes it was
[09:44] <neoncode> Fatejudger: yup...
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <fatejudger> neoncode: that won't remove all of the packages you decided to install though
[09:45] <LjL> fatejudger: it just mean you can type "apt-get moo", which you can't do using aptitude
[09:45] <neoncode> fatejudger: I just did.
[09:45] <fatejudger> LjL: LOL
[09:45] <LjL> neoncode: not necessarily a bad idea
[09:45] <LjL> neoncode: but using ubuntu-desktop will give you the whole thing, i.e. everything that is in Ubuntu
[09:45] <neoncode> LjL: what, selecting random pakajes that look important?
[09:46] <pinucset> one think, when i "close" kontact it seems to be korganizer, and i cant open kontact! :S
[09:46] <neoncode> *pacages... damn carn't spell today
[09:46] <LjL> neoncode: uh, well, depends how actually random the selection is, i suppose :)
[09:46] <bur[n] er> anoyone use kontact with an exchange calendar?
[09:47] <neoncode> is GNOME that bad? I had ubuntu on a test machene when I was testing linux
[09:47] <neoncode> But I have not used it much
[09:47] <LjL> neoncode: people like it, so it can't be "that" bad
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: it's just ugly
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: and disorganized
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: they're claim is that it's faster
[09:47] <fatejudger> neoncode: but really , it isn't any faster
[09:47] <neoncode> fatejudger: how so?
[09:47] <_StarScream> neoncode: GNOME is good if you like the GNOME way of doing things
[09:48] <LjL> neoncode: i prefer KDE. KDE has many, *many* more options to let you configure it the way you like. on the other hand, Gnome tries to keep a polished look, by (among other things) limiting or hiding your configuration options
[09:48] <_StarScream> neoncode: if you like the KDE way of doing things KDE is better
[09:48] <fatejudger> neoncode: well, it really isn't any faster if you use native KDE apps vs native Gnome apps
[09:48] <Stefano> who is the man!? 
[09:48] <Stefano> STEFANO
[09:48] <Stefano> !
[09:48] <ubotu> Stefano: No idea
[09:48] <Stefano> ME :D
[09:48] <bur[n] er> kde is faster for me 
[09:48] <_StarScream> neoncode: if you like neither, then there are a few dozen other window managers
[09:48] <bur[n] er> amarok > all other media players :)
[09:48] <fatejudger> LjL: what polished look? :P
[09:48] <LjL> _StarScream: Gnome and KDE aren't quite window managers
[09:48] <neoncode> starscream: I kinna like KDE
[09:48] <LjL> fatejudger: well, come on, many dialogs in KDE are definitely overcrowded
[09:48] <bur[n] er> KDE just has an ugly default icon set ;)
[09:49] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: are you a crystal hater?
[09:49] <_StarScream> LjL: well yeh , DE
[09:49] <LjL> bur[n] er: KDE has an ugly default *look*, not just icons, for what i'm concerned
[09:49] <neoncode> I use one called Nuvola
[09:49] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: indeed I am :)
[09:49] <fatejudger> neoncode: nuvola is cool
[09:49] <Stefano> like there were two types of human beings: common ppl, and CRYSTAL-HATERS *evil*
[09:49] <pinucset> why when i "close" kontact it happens to be korganizer NOT KONTACT? please help...
[09:50] <neoncode> apt-get sounds like something named by 4chan///
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: do you have Kubuntu plastik?
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: what about KDE 3.5 plastik?
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: yep
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: and yep
[09:50] <LjL> bur[n] er: yeah, lipstick is not the best style i could imagine, but same for me: the others aren't any better
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: what DO you like?
[09:50] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: clearlooks & new-human (metacity theme) :)
[09:50] <neoncode> Can i upgrade from KDE 3.4 to 3.5 useing apt-get?
[09:50] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: Gnomer...
[09:51] <LjL> bur[n] er: Mac users are lucky, they can install Baghira and have a style they (usually) really like... but i'm no Mac user ;)
[09:51] <fatejudger> neoncode: yes
[09:51] <fatejudger> !tell neoncode about KDE3.5
[09:51] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: kinda... but KDE is pulling me in... I still miss gaim, and I use firefox instead of konq, but I'm trying kopete
[09:51] <LjL> neoncode: note that 3.5rc1 still has some issues. look at the "known bugs" page to find out, before you decide to install it
[09:51] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: the new Kopete kicks ass
[09:51] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: 0.11
[09:52] <jpatrick> neoncode: read http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html
[09:52] <neoncode> the letters "RC" make it sound all the more intresting
[09:52] <LjL> bur[n] er: what's wrong with konq?
[09:52] <pinucset> why when i "close" kontact it happens to be korganizer NOT KONTACT? please help...
[09:52] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: is there an updated kde?  I have beta2 sources and kopete .10.3
[09:52] <LjL> neoncode: release candidate
[09:52] <bur[n] er> .10.93 rather
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: yes
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: RC1
[09:52] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it's much more stable and featureful
[09:52] <neoncode> LjL: I know what RC means... I just like beta stuff...
[09:52] <jpatrick> pinucset: KOrganiser Reminder Daemon
[09:52] <LjL> neoncode: ok
[09:52] <fatejudger> !KDE3.5
[09:52] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[09:53] <bur[n] er> where can i get sources?  kubotu doesn't seem to exist ;)
[09:53] <neoncode> Like firefox 1.5 I have RC1 of that i need to get RC2...
[09:53] <bur[n] er> oh, ubotu's here :)
[09:53] <pinucset> jpatrick but i want kontact not korganizer when i close...
[09:53] <LjL> neoncode: just be warned that going back to 3.4 is not going to be easy, if you happen to stumble on bad problems with 3.5
[09:53] <neoncode> LjL: how come?
[09:53] <jpatrick> pinucset: korganiser is part of Kontact
[09:53] <fatejudger> LjL: the problems have been fixed
[09:53] <pinucset> but jpatrick from korganiser i cant access to kontact :S
[09:53] <fatejudger> neoncode: don't worry about it RC1 is quite stable, there isn't anything to worry about
[09:53] <pinucset> jpatrick if i enter to korganizer i cant see my contacts etc.
[09:53] <fatejudger> neoncode: I would have recommended not to use the Beta, but the RC1 is fine
[09:54] <LjL> fatejudger: i'm not talking about extremely bad problems -- that is, not on my system in any case -- but problems are definitely still there
[09:54] <neoncode> Oh ok
[09:54] <fatejudger> LjL: what problems?
[09:54] <LjL> neoncode: well, it's not too easy to rollback packages in general
[09:54] <jpatrick> pinucset: that's because kontact also uses KAddressBook
[09:54] <blanky> is kde with ubuntu coming along nicely?
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: Beta 2 was horrible
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it took me at least an hour to fix
[09:54] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: well... i'm getting rc1 now
[09:54] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: and Akgregator never worked right
[09:54] <pinucset> jpatrick how can i do that when i close kontact it begins opened kontact, NOT korganizer??
[09:54] <LjL> fatejudger: wrong icons... empty icons... nothing too bad, here.
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: oh, I don't use icons
[09:55] <bur[n] er> akregator is crash-happy here
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: did you upgrade from Beta 1 or Beta 2?
[09:55] <jpatrick> pinucset: :/
[09:55] <bur[n] er> but liferea > akregator ;)
[09:55] <neoncode> what are the major diffrences between KDE 3.4 and KDE RC 1?
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: you... don't use icons?
[09:55] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: the new akgregator is fixed
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: i upgraded from 3.4
[09:55] <blanky> hey guys, I installed kubuntu-desktop and in gnome, in my menu, I have apps that dont have icons :(
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: no... that's why I use KDE
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: I'm a little OCD when it comes to my computer
[09:55] <LjL> fatejudger: you have no toolbars in your apps?
[09:55] <fatejudger> LjL: everything must be clean, neat, and ordered
[09:55] <neoncode> fatejudger: OCD?
[09:55] <jpatrick> neoncode: prettier kicker
[09:56] <bur[n] er> svg support!!
[09:56] <fatejudger> neoncode: Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
[09:56] <bur[n] er> there was no svg icon support in 3.4
[09:56] <neoncode> jpatrick: what's kicker?
[09:56] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: oh yeah, I forgot to mention that
[09:56] <bur[n] er> kicker == taskbar
[09:56] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: I have an svg wallpaper
[09:56] <neoncode> Ohh
[09:56] <neoncode> is SVG a image file format?
[09:56] <fatejudger> LjL: I have toolbars in my apps
[09:56] <jpatrick> neoncode: yes
[09:56] <bur[n] er> svg == greatest icon format
[09:56] <fatejudger> LjL: and they work just fine
[09:57] <Stefano> yeah doods im gonna go to the cinema with teh hottest gal woot!
[09:57] <neoncode> bur[n] er: why?
[09:57] <jpatrick> neoncode: Scaleable Vector Graphics
[09:57] <LjL> fatejudger: KMail, look at the toolbar icons to classify mail as spam or ham -- that is, if you have those (and you only have those if you run the anti-spam wizard)
[09:57] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: it's nice for anything that needs to scale, wallpaper, icons
[09:57] <bur[n] er> neoncode: it's scalable... in that it looks good at 128x128 as well as 32x32
[09:57] <fatejudger> LjL: gmail filters all spam for me
[09:58] <neoncode> are there any problems with dual-head xorg configs with KDE 3.5RC1?
[09:58] <LjL> fatejudger: gmail is probably evil.
[09:58] <LjL> anyway, gotta go, later
[09:58] <fatejudger> LjL: gmail is great
[09:58] <fatejudger> LjL: cya
[09:58] <neoncode> gmail is good!
[09:59] <bur[n] er> fatejudger: any tips on making firefox look good with KDE?  mostly my fonts are funny lookin
[09:59] <neoncode> hey who is ubotu? is it a bot?
[09:59] <bur[n] er> neoncode: sure is
[09:59] <jpatrick> neoncode: yes
[09:59] <neoncode> Oooo...
[10:00] <neoncode> Hey can you register on IRC? and how does that work? Oh and sorry for being such a newbie and asking so meany questions...
[10:00] <jpatrick> neoncode: see /msg NickServ help
[10:00] <jpatrick> neoncode: and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:01] <blanky> hey guys, I installed kde and it kinda messed up my gnome menu by putting in apps in it that have no icons, does this happen with all distros
[10:01] <hussam> anybody here using kde 3.5 RC1?
[10:01] <jpatrick> neoncode: no problem
[10:01] <jpatrick> hussam: wish I could but I'm on Dapper
[10:02] <hussam> I just wanted to know if there are any improvments in konqueror's khtml rendering engine.
[10:02] <neoncode> jpatrick: WTF is a dapper anyway?
[10:02] <jpatrick> hussam: Itrocks
[10:02] <hussam> 3.4 was an improvments over 3.3
[10:03] <jpatrick> neoncode: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[10:03] <hussam> jpatrick: does it pass acid2 test? firefox 1.5 does not.
[10:03] <jpatrick> hussam: it did
[10:03] <hussam> jpatrick: brilliant
[10:03] <GeniusDex> KHTML 3.5 should pass acid2, won't it?
[10:04] <jpatrick> hussam: Safari beat it but hey
[10:04] <hussam> jpatrick: then I can't wait till dapper
[10:04] <neoncode> jpatrick: No I know that it's the next realice but why is it called dapper and what does the word "dapper" actualy mean?
[10:05] <jpatrick> It's called Dapper because Mr Shuttleworth said it should be called Dapper
[10:05] <neoncode> jpatrick: and what exacly *is* a "dapper"?
[10:06] <jpatrick> neoncode: :/
[10:06] <neoncode> what?
[10:07] <neoncode> ...
[10:07] <bur[n] er> neoncode: dictionary.com :P
[10:07] <jpatrick> isn't it an adjective?
[10:08] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: use Konqueror
[10:08] <neoncode> dapper (dp'r) pronunciation
[10:08] <neoncode> adj.
[10:08] <neoncode>    1.
[10:08] <neoncode>          1. Neatly dressed; trim.
[10:08] <neoncode>          2. Very stylish in dress.
[10:08] <neoncode>    2. Lively and alert.
[10:08] <bur[n] er> konqueror doesn't have adblock or many of the other extensions that make firefox wonderful :\
[10:08] <bur[n] er> neoncode: i think we already knew that ;)  you were the one askin
[10:09] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: it does have an adblock!
[10:09] <fatejudger> bur[n] er: yes it does
[10:09] <blanky> what's the difference between installing kubuntu and kubuntu-desktop
[10:09] <neoncode> bur[n] er:sorry...
[10:09] <bur[n] er> no kidding?  time to try it out again
[10:09] <hussam> I Just finished compiling and installing kernel 2.6.14.2, I'll reboot now. hopefully it'll work.
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: kubuntu-desktop is a package, kubuntu is a distro
[10:09] <jpatrick> hussam: cya
[10:09] <blanky> fatejudger, i know
[10:09] <blanky> fatejudger, but what's the difference
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: then why did you ask?
[10:09] <fatejudger> blanky: nothing
[10:10] <fatejudger> blanky: they're the same packages
[10:10] <blanky> oh okay
[10:10] <bur[n] er> do you guys find a difference if you use kdm or gdm?
[10:10] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: yes
[10:10] <toko1213> http://www.kde-forum.org/post/54079/lastpost.html#post54079
[10:10] <neoncode> hey Firefox 1.5 RC 3 is out....
[10:10] <toko1213> can someone suggest a link to get cups working on kubuntu
[10:11] <toko1213> can not authenticate
[10:11] <toko1213> user and passwd problem
[10:11] <toko1213> tried lmpasswd -a root and user
[10:11] <neoncode> Hey I can talk to this ubotu, I never knew that..... 
[10:12] <toko1213> no go and modified /etc/cupsd.conf
[10:12] <bur[n] er> neoncode: ubotu is full of wonderful knowledge
[10:12] <neoncode> bur[b] er: sure..
[10:12] <neoncode> [21:12]  <neoncode> how do I get KDE 3.5 RC 1?
[10:12] <neoncode> [21:12]  <ubotu> No idea, neoncode
[10:12] <toko1213> btw this is the first time I've had such problems ith a linux distro
[10:13] <jpatrick> rofl
[10:13] <toko1213> I use a epson c82 extreemly easy to get going
[10:14] <toko1213> I could prob take the cupsd.conf off an fc2 machine and see what happens
[10:15] <bur[n] er> so where's this konqueror adblock extension? apt-cache search konqueror adblock shows nothing
[10:15] <toko1213> but I'm wondering if anyone on the channel has a printer and how they got it to work
[10:15] <icewt> toko1213: yes
[10:16] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: tools section
[10:16] <toko1213> icewt: you have a printer?
[10:16] <icewt> toko1213: indeed
[10:16] <toko1213> and what method did you use to get it to work
[10:16] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: no wait -> Settings -> Configure Extensions
[10:17] <icewt> toko1213: i added it in the KDE System Settings -> Printers
[10:17] <bur[n] er> jpatrick: i only have the search bar plugin :\
[10:17] <toko1213> mine kinda works it spitsa out what appeard to be ps tex like code when I issue a print command
[10:17] <icewt> toko1213: what printer do you have?
[10:18] <toko1213> epson c 82
[10:18] <icewt> i have Epson C66
[10:18] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Adblock
[10:18] <jpatrick> abuse! :O
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> anyone know how to get kde to actually pay attention to menus added to ~/.config/menus like crossover office?
[10:19] <bur[n] er> aww... i see it jpatrick, thanks!
[10:19] <jesusfish> how would I get alsa/sound drivers to not load on boot?
[10:19] <toko1213> I have no kde->system->settings?
[10:19] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: no problem
[10:19] <toko1213> I see a printer manager under utilities
[10:20] <icewt> toko1213: i mean "System Settings" in the K-menu
[10:20] <toko1213> when I use it it reports foomatic driver is not installed or I do not have permission to install the driver
[10:21] <icewt> toko1213: printer manager under utilities is the same thing though
[10:21] <icewt> toko1213: did you try any other driver?
[10:21] <neoncode> why does the development go x.04 -- x.6 -- x+1.04? what happened to .1 .2 .3 and so on?
[10:22] <toko1213> trying now ...
[10:22] <icewt> toko1213: and have you entered in administrator mode?
[10:22] <bur[n] er> is it just me or does maps.google.com not work in konqueror?
[10:22] <bur[n] er> scratch that... if i set identification to ie6, it works
[10:22] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: probably plugin problem
[10:23] <jpatrick> bur[n] er: oh cool
[10:23] <toko1213> icewt,  looks like the driver was the problem thanks
[10:23] <pipitas> toko1213: did you listen to what I told you before re. CUPS??
[10:23] <bur[n] er> er... disregard, it just doesn't work
[10:24] <toko1213> did not work
[10:24] <toko1213> pipitas, did not work
[10:24] <toko1213> icewt, looks good
[10:24] <toko1213> appears to work test page perfect
[10:24] <toko1213> time to eat
[10:25] <toko1213> breakfast for dinner
[10:25] <pipitas> toko1213: unless you give a precise description of what you want to achieve, and what the problem is, you'll not find help easily
[10:26] <GuerillaTactiks> Hello, I cannot play .avi files in kaffeine, what do I do?
[10:26] <bur[n] er> GuerillaTactiks: get the right codecs for your movie
[10:26] <GuerillaTactiks> !codecs
[10:26] <ubotu> codecs is probably binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[10:27] <GuerillaTactiks> Im trying to
[10:27] <GuerillaTactiks> But I don't know how to install them in linux
[10:29] <GuerillaTactiks> VLC sounds promising
[10:30] <bur[n] er> vlc will prolly work
[10:30] <bur[n] er> or get the w32codecs package that ubotu just talked about
[10:30] <bur[n] er> kaffeine-xine is a nice package too.. works a lil better than gstreamer currently
[10:31] <LeeJunFan> anyone know if kde looks in ~/.local ~/.config or both for menu info?
[10:31] <GuerillaTactiks> Oh, so that package does'nt come by default with kaffiene?
[10:31] <jpatrick> LeeJunFan: ~/.config
[10:31] <GuerillaTactiks> Yay!
[10:31] <LeeJunFan> jpatrick: I've got a lot of entries in .local that are apparently where my menu entries for all my apps installed after system install are referenced.
[10:32] <GuerillaTactiks> Works in VLC without codecs
[10:32] <GuerillaTactiks> Thanks a bunch people
[10:32] <frank23> where is the kubuntu wiki?
[10:32] <neoncode> About that avi question, how do you get wmv files to play? or can i convert files from wmv to a superiour non-drm format?
[10:33] <jpatrick> frank23: wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu
[10:33] <jpatrick> LeeJunFan: should be in ~/.config
[10:34] <bur[n] er> neoncode: w32codecs package... or use a conversion
[10:34] <frank23> jpatrick: thanks. I setup a samba share on my computer but I can't see it in samba:/  in knoqueror
[10:35] <neoncode> Ahh! when I installed ubuntu-desktop it cluttered up my k..menu..thingy with lots of crappy GNOME apps. bad GNOME! *hits gnome*
[10:35] <LeeJunFan> jpatrick: thanks, I'll just have to play around and figure this out. I setup crossover office and it's in .config/menus path but isn't showing on menus.
[10:43] <neoncode> it's gone awfully quiet...
[10:44] <nadjyla> hello
[10:44] <neoncode> hello
[10:51] <slow-motion> n8
[10:54] <toko1213> I want to add an aplication which now runs via the term to the kde menu 
[10:54] <toko1213> what will give me access to the kde menu
[10:56] <toko1213> kseq?
[10:57] <neoncode> how do you rename stuff useing bash?
[10:57] <Stele> mv
[10:57] <neoncode> I thought tha was move?
[10:57] <Stele> mv/rename - same thing
[10:57] <toko1213> mv foo.bar foo1.bar
[10:57] <neoncode> Oooo#] 
[11:00] <ZipKDE> hiyas all :) Im wondering if anyone can help a newb O:-) with a problem Im having booting Kubuntu Breezy? I've just installed it tonight, and when it booted for the first time everything seemed fine... Ive just rebooted it, and now Breezy is not booting KDE - I get a DOS looking login prompt instead... if I sign in from there, nowt else is happening... any ideas what I type to start kde?
[11:01] <jesusfish> how do I stop a sound driver from loading on boot?
[11:02] <neoncode> ZipKDE: sudo init 3?
[11:02] <neoncode> that might work...
[11:02] <ZipKDE> Thanks neon I'll give it a go ;)
[11:02] <neoncode> not that i'm an expert myself
[11:03] <ZipKDE> its doing something *fingers crossed* - it says "* switching to runlevel :3" - *holds breath*
[11:03] <rudih> how i install gtk-qt engine?
[11:04] <ZipKDE> hmm it doesnt appear to be doing anything else (:- It hasnt crashed so will leave it for a tick - hopefully its just having a good think?
[11:05] <rudih> how to install gtk-qt engine?
[11:05] <neoncode> I dunno.... I realy dunno that much about linux. i'm kinna new-ish but I know a bit... it might be a xorg.conf problem...
[11:05] <ZipKDE> hmm it didn't work - its returned to the prompt :(
[11:05] <rudih> what the right name for gtk-qt engine...i want to install it
[11:05] <neoncode> rudih: I have no idea...
[11:06] <rudih> anybody?
[11:06] <neoncode> does anyone rember the command to re-build the /ect/X11/xorg.conf file? That Might help ZipKDE... or does anyone have any suggestions?
[11:06] <ZipKDE> OK thanks neon :) I tried using startx - not doing anything - throwing the error message xauth: error in locking authority file :(
[11:07] <rudih> i want that gnome and kde  applications have the same look
[11:07] <neoncode> rudih: you can do that?
[11:07] <rudih> how to fix this?
[11:07] <toko1213> ZipKDE, startx
[11:07] <jesusfish> how do I stop a sound driver from loading on boot?
[11:08] <toko1213> are you logged in?
[11:08] <hussam> neoncode: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[11:08] <ZipKDE> hi toko - startx gives me the error xauth: error in locking authority file /home/xxx/.Xauthority :(
[11:08] <neoncode> rudih: I did a search for "gtk-qt" on synaptic and it came up with this pakage gtk2-engines-gtk-qt - try that
[11:08] <ZipKDE> yep its logged in btw
[11:08] <neoncode> hussam: thanks that's it ZipKDE try that?
[11:09] <rudih> es thats it...i did it before
[11:09] <ZipKDE> thanks - I'll try that now ;)
[11:09] <rudih> es=yes
[11:09] <rudih> tkx neoncode
[11:09] <neoncode> ZipKDE: Rember i'm no expert. I just know a little....
[11:09] <toko1213> jesusfish: why disable sound?
[11:09] <hussam> ZipKDE: sudo rm *authority 
[11:09] <hussam> ZipKDE: sorry sudo rm ~/*authority 
[11:10] <neoncode> ZipKDE: see others know a lot more than me
[11:10] <neoncode> like hussam here
[11:10] <ZipKDE> thanks hussam - I'll try that now :)
[11:11] <neoncode> what was the ubuntu wiki aticle on upgradeing to new version of firefox?
[11:12] <Delvien> Anyone here experienced with Crossover office ?
[11:12] <gupta> Does the networking service depends on anything? It's not starting on boot, though i ca nsee /rcS.. / S40networking
[11:12] <hussam> ZipKDE: did you dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[11:12] <jesusfish> toko1213: need to use OSS
[11:13] <jesusfish> toko1213: which means auto-loading ALSA drivers is bad
[11:13] <ZipKDE> not yet hussam - I'll try it now :)
[11:13] <Delvien> HEres my errorL The DISPLAY variable is not set. You should either login to as root or use the "su"  with no flags, to make sure setup as an display to use... Anyone have an idea how to fix this?
[11:13] <hussam> ZipKDE: what exactly is the problem? you can't log in to kde ore something like that?
[11:14] <toko1213> jesusfish, kde->system setting-> sound
[11:14] <ZipKDE> yes hussam - its booting to the "command prompt" - not into KDE itself
[11:14] <ZipKDE> just tried that command you gave - it says "xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed" :(
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: no, I need to prevent the modules from aut-loading
[11:15] <ZipKDE> i guess thats not good
[11:15] <toko1213> jesusfish, there is a swith there to disable sound?
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: that's just for KDE/arts
[11:15] <jesusfish> toko1213: has nothing to do with kernel modules
[11:16] <toko1213> have you looked at init.d scrips?
[11:16] <jesusfish> toko1213: yes
[11:16] <jesusfish> toko1213: I know discover loads some modules
[11:16] <hussam> ZipKDE: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
[11:17] <ZipKDE> thanks hassam - i'll try that now :)
[11:17] <toko1213> there is an executable in /etc/init.d called alsa
[11:17] <toko1213> mv alsa alsa1
[11:17] <toko1213> might work
[11:18] <hussam> ZipKDE: after that, do this sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[11:18] <jesusfish> toko1213: it just starts alsa
[11:18] <ZipKDE> hassam: it says "xserver-xorg-core is already the newest version" - is there a command I have to do to remove it and totally reinstall it?
[11:19] <hussam> try apt-get install x-window-system-core 
[11:19] <bl3ssing> how can I check my capacity of the partition I have the linux installed on?
[11:19] <neoncode> why won't rmdir remove directorys that contins something?
[11:19] <toko1213> yes but if the command is not there to start there is prob a wait and then jump to next command when you boot
[11:19] <ZipKDE> k thanks hassam :)
[11:19] <toko1213> just guessing
[11:20] <gupta> Anybody? Networking service not starting on boot :(
[11:20] <bl3ssing> restart your computer gupta. smae here ... but it is ok now after I've restart it ...
[11:21] <gupta> Iobviously tried that ;)
[11:21] <neoncode> anyone? how do I remove directorys that contin files that I also want to delete?
[11:21] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:21] <bl3ssing> try once more ... 
[11:21] <hussam> ZipKDE: to reinstall a package, do sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg
[11:21] <gupta> etc/.. networking start works 
[11:21] <bl3ssing> how can I check how much capacity my partition has?
[11:22] <ZipKDE> hassam: thanks - I'll do that now :)
[11:22] <gupta> df or du bl3ssing
[11:23] <gupta> du -m to be more precise
[11:23] <ZipKDE> hassam: yep thats installed xserver0xirg - shall i try rebooting now?
[11:23] <ZipKDE> oops xserver-xorg I mean
[11:23] <hussam> ZipKDE: no need, from command line, do sudo /usr/bin/startkde
[11:24] <ZipKDE> hassam: thanks hassam - *fingers crossed* ;)
[11:24] <hussam> ZipKDE: that should skip kdm
[11:24] <neoncode> how do you remove directories?
[11:25] <neoncode> anyone?
[11:25] <hussam> ZipKDE: actually just /usr/bin/startkde should do
[11:25] <bl3ssing> 10x gupta...
[11:25] <ZipKDE> hussam your a genius :D!!!!!!!!
[11:25] <ZipKDE> its working fine *phew* :D
[11:26] <neoncode> ZipKDE: and i'm not?
[11:26] <bl3ssing> a genius? how about Linus Trovaldis? ;)))
[11:26] <ZipKDE> thanks very much for your help! :D
[11:26] <neoncode> *cries*
[11:26] <bl3ssing> how about me?. am I not? :-( screaming ...
[11:26] <ZipKDE> Oh *tsk* k - so are you neon ;)
[11:26] <hussam> are you logged in as you or as root?
[11:26] <bl3ssing> =))
[11:26] <neoncode> =D
[11:26] <neoncode> anyway... how do you remove directories that have files in them?
[11:27] <neoncode> from bash?
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: rm -rf
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: be careful, there's no getting them back.
[11:27] <bl3ssing> delete them by pressing the Shift key + Delete. ;))) neoncode , I'm talking to you.
[11:27] <hussam> ZipKDE: might want to reboot to check this didn't damage your user account or something
[11:27] <bl3ssing> or ... rm -rf
[11:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:28] <neoncode> LeeJun...whatever: thanks!!!
[11:28] <ZipKDE> hussam : yeah I rebooted to make sure - its all starting normally now ;) now to find out why Im stuck in 640x512 heh
[11:28] <ZipKDE> thanks for the help hussam :D
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> neoncode: you can probably autocomplete nicks btw just type part of it like lee and hit [tab] 
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> :)
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan: Wow!
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan:  I never knew that...
[11:29] <neoncode> LeeJunFan:  obviously...
[11:29] <bl3ssing> can I backup my new installed kubuntu after I've alredy installed all the package with Adept? how ...?
[11:30] <hussam> can you post everthing under Section "Monitor" and Section "Screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin.com ?
[11:30] <hussam> ZipKDE: that's for you
[11:31] <neoncode> xorg.conf gave me a massive headache with my dual-head setup
[11:32] <ZipKDE> Hussam - I can try heh...
[11:32] <ZipKDE> its weird - its a voodoo 3 3000 card... ubuntu did pick it up OK... kubuntu seems not to have
[11:33] <hussam> ZipKDE: I remember that one. One of the best display cards ever
[11:34] <neoncode> oops... I deleted the nullplugin.so file form my /opt/firefox/plugins...
[11:35] <ZipKDE> hussam: they dont make cards like they used to ;) - seems pastebin.com is down :( get "could not connect to host pastebin.com" from konquorer - all other sites seem ok
[11:35] <hussam> ZipKDE: try http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[11:36] <neoncode> ahh good disaster averted...
[11:36] <ZipKDE> hussam: just looking at installed packages - seems I have libglide2 (which it says is not for Voodoo 3) AND libglide3 (which it says IS) installed- wonder if removing libglide2 and rebooting would sort it? thanks for link - just trying it now...
[11:37] <neoncode> Oh.. come on... how do i remove a file that has "*" as its name...
[11:38] <McScruff> lo
[11:38] <hussam> neoncode: what file is that?
[11:40] <McScruff> does anyone know how to getflash in firefox in sync?
[11:40] <neoncode> I'm trying to symbolic link all the files in one directory to another so each one is a diffrent link. I used the command "sudo ln -s /usr/share/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*" I should have used "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*" so it made a file called *
[11:41] <ZipKDE> hussam: ive posted those two sections at paste.ubuntulinux.nl - under the name ZipKDE :)
[11:41] <hussam> what's the full link?
[11:42] <hussam> nevermind found it
[11:42] <ZipKDE> hussam : its http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4764
[11:43] <hussam> seems fine
[11:43] <ZipKDE> OK thanks Hussam - possibly due to having two versions of libglide installed?
[11:43] <neoncode> Oh wiat... apparently because I used sudo the file belongs to me so I could delete it in konqueror
[11:44] <ZipKDE> hussam: thanks for that site link too (paste.ubuntulinux) - very handy :)
[11:44] <neoncode> how do I get firefox to tell me what RC verison it is?
[11:44] <neoncode> it won't tell me
[11:44] <neoncode> it just says 1.5
[11:45] <ZipKDE> neon - i dont think the release candidates say which rc they are (do they?)
[11:45] <ZipKDE> im running rc2 here on XP neon - just says Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051107 Firefox/1.5
[11:45] <neoncode> ZipKDE: well that's anoying....
[11:45] <hussam> ZipKDE: when you right click on desktop > Configure Desktop > Display , check the Refresh rate and screen size
[11:45] <neoncode> XP!!! blasphermy! kill it!
[11:46] <hussam> 20051107 is old
[11:46] <neoncode> ahem... sorry I just realy hate micro$oft
[11:46] <hussam> get 20051113 or newer
[11:46] <neoncode> ZipKDE: Oh did you know that RC3 came out...
[11:47] <hussam> neoncode: Microsoft aren't bad. I work for them :) I'm a spy here. 
[11:47] <neoncode> ZipKDE: it's what I have... I think...
[11:47] <ZipKDE> hussam : yeah tried that - it offers two screen sizes - 640x512, and 320x240 - refresh only offers 60Hz.. I did have a similar problem with Ubuntu Hoary - think a google will fix it (I suspect your on the right track with the xorg.conf file... if remembery serves..)
[11:47] <neoncode> hussam: You work for them?
[11:48] <ZipKDE> neon : thats the newest version - apologies for the XP *spit* reference... Im so ashamed :(
[11:48] <hussam> neoncode: Yes, I'm a spy for Microsoft sent to check what is happening in the Linux world
[11:48] <hussam> neoncode: No, I'm just kidding
[11:48] <crimsun> MS has a lot of Linux users
[11:48] <neoncode> hussam: *stops sharpening axe* aww..
[11:49] <ZipKDE> hussam: think microsoft will be kacking themselves the way k|ubuntu is taking off
[11:49] <crimsun> even OSS developers
[11:49] <hussam> neoncode, crimsun: I'm not even a computer engineer. I'm a Civil/Structural engineer
[11:50] <crimsun> hussam: so? :-)
[11:50] <ZipKDE> I have double the shame neon - Im running XP on this machine... and... and... Im an AOLer :(
[11:50] <ZipKDE> *hides*
[11:50] <crimsun> the founder of the Gentoo distribution works for Microsoft
[11:50] <crimsun> I know several people on the IE teams that write OSS
[11:50] <neoncode> crimsun: consprisy!!!
[11:50] <hussam> crimsun: so I'm not sure I can be of any use to MS
[11:51] <crimsun> hussam: of course you can/are
[11:51] <hussam> crimsun: how ?
[11:51] <neoncode> don't worry
[11:51] <crimsun> a software company cannot be comprised of solely software engineers
[11:51] <ZipKDE> thanks neon :)
[11:52] <neoncode> for me swiching from Windoze to linux was in impulse desicion. I dissliked all this DRM crap... so I swiched.. simple...
[11:53] <ZipKDE> I phoned AOL when switching to Ubuntu on my other PC to ask how to make a BT Voyager work with Ubuntu... "Does Ubuntu run in XP?" "No its an OS".. "Is it XP compatible?" "No - its totally seperate" "Have you installed Service pack 2" "What in Ubuntu?" "Yes".. *sigh* - went out and bought a router instead
[11:53] <hussam> crimsun: yes I guess that's true
[11:53] <hussam> ZipKDE: lol
[11:53] <_micah> you expected aol tech support to know what nix was?
[11:53] <neoncode> ZipKDE: That's AOL for you
[11:53] <_micah> come on...
[11:54] <neoncode> how do you set away status on here, I wanna get a sandwich...
[11:54] <crimsun> /away <some message>
[11:54] <neoncode> yay!
[11:55] <neoncode> how do i un-away?
[11:55] <crimsun> it's bad netiquette to spam irc channels with your away message.
[11:55] <ZipKDE> _micah: yeah silly me lol - I now know better (well.. a little bit anyhow).. am absolutely loving k|ubuntu though.. Linux seems to have come a long way very quickly
[11:55] <neoncode> crimsun: Oh sorry.. 
[11:55] <_micah> still some problems with hw compatability I find
[11:56] <_micah> like m-audio stuff
[11:56] <ZipKDE> OK another newbie question O:-)... I've switched to Kubuntu Breezy from Ubuntu Hoary... where is Synaptic?
[11:56] <hussam> ZipKDE: by the way, try using the vesa driver instead of glide2 and see if you can get to a higer resolution
[11:57] <ZipKDE> hussam: cheers - i'll give that a go :)
[11:57] <ZipKDE> re synaptic.. think Ive sussed it.. I have to install it using Adept right.?
[11:57] <_micah> I'm lost on getting OSS running, I've managed to disable ALSA from loading, any ideas?
[11:58] <hussam> ZipKDE: that's under Section "Device" in xorg.conf
[11:59] <crimsun> _micah: which M-Audio?
[11:59] <ZipKDE> thanks hussam :)
[11:59] <crimsun> _micah: I have a Delta 1010LT and a Transit USB that both work just fine
[11:59] <_micah> revolution 5.1
[12:00] <crimsun> that should work fine with ice1724
[12:00] <_micah> thats what I thought
[12:00] <_micah> no audio though :(
[12:01] <crimsun> meaning /proc/asound/cards reports no soundcards, or you just can't hear anything?
[12:02] <_micah> it reports my other card
[12:02] <_micah> not my rev
[12:02] <crimsun> lsmod|grep ^snd_ice1724