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sistpotyargs. it did... and then it failed. even stranger12:03
sistpotythis actually was a one line patch which had nothing to do with ghc6...12:03
sistpoty(only tail -n +2 instead of tail +2)12:03
sistpotyhm... since it does 2-phase bootstrapping, i guess a) ghc6 w. gcc4 can no longer rebuild itself or b) s.th. else changed and caused the fail12:05
sistpotybut i guess b) might be a little bit more likely *hope*12:05
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slomoa) would be really bad :/12:06
sistpotyslomo: do you have access to a 64bit arch?12:06
slomoamd64, yes12:06
sistpotyI have read some bugs about ghc6 + 64bit in general12:06
sistpotyslomo would you eventually try to rebuild ghc6 with newest dapper ghc6 there?12:07
slomosure... tomorrow12:07
slomooh wait12:07
sistpotybut only if you have enough time... it will take... hours! :)12:07
slomonow ;)12:07
slomouh12:07
slomotomorrow :P12:07
sistpotyhehe12:07
sistpotycool, thx.12:07
slomoreally hours?12:07
sistpotyyep... mom, I'll take a look how long the buildd took12:08
sistpotyslomo: buildd took 2:02h12:09
slomook12:09
sistpoty(amd64)12:09
sistpotythx slomo12:10
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raphinkhello :)12:56
crimsunhi12:56
raphinkhi crimsun :)12:57
crimsun2.6.12-9 is so much more usable than 2.6.15-3 :)12:57
raphinkcrimsun: I've got a pb with a package in which manpages won't install12:58
raphinkwould you help me with it?12:58
crimsunsure, what's up?12:58
raphinkok12:58
raphinki'll show you the debian/rules12:58
raphinkhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/472512:59
raphinkhere it is12:59
raphinkI just tried with two manpages so far12:59
raphinkbut none will install12:59
crimsun(sec, dapper pbuilder is updating)12:59
raphinkok :)12:59
crimsunok, show me the dpkg-buildpackage run01:05
raphinkok wait a min01:05
raphinkI'll run it01:06
raphinkhuh01:06
raphinkit crashes01:06
raphinkhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/472601:07
raphinkdebuild works01:07
raphinkso i didn't try dpkg-buildpackage01:07
raphinkcrimsun: ^^01:07
crimsunthe output from debuild, then01:07
crimsun(fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage ...)01:08
raphinkentire one?01:08
raphinkoh yeah fakeroot LOl01:08
raphinkit's late ;)01:08
raphinkhehe01:08
raphinkyou want the entire debuild output?01:08
raphinkhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/472701:09
raphinkthere01:09
raphinklines 148 and 149 build the docbooks01:10
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raphinkbut it doesn't seem to install them01:11
crimsunwhere is docbook2x-man placing the generated man pages?01:15
raphinkin debian i guess01:15
crimsuncan you check?01:15
raphinkthe docbook files are there01:15
raphinkwell I clean them afterwards01:15
raphinkso i can't really check01:15
crimsunafter you run debuild?01:16
raphinkhmm01:16
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crimsunnote that your build:: extension is actually called after dh_clean -k01:16
crimsun(so it's called twice)01:17
raphinkthey're not in the sources after i run debuild01:17
raphinkyes01:17
raphinkso clean:: should be defined before build:: ?01:17
crimsun(that's not the issue)01:18
crimsunI'm just trying to locate your generated man pages01:18
raphinkok01:19
raphinkthey are in the root :(01:19
raphinknot in debian/01:19
raphinkthat's weird01:19
crimsun:)01:20
raphinkI mean01:20
raphinkI have the same kind of code for knmap01:20
raphinkand the docbooks don't end up in the root01:20
raphink:s01:20
raphinkindeed if they are bult in the root it's obvious they won't be installed though01:21
raphink:(01:22
crimsunnote also that those two generated man pages aren't being passed to dh_installman01:22
raphinkwell because they're not created in the right place I guess01:22
crimsunright01:23
raphinkI'm trying to see where knmap creates the manpages from the docbook01:24
raphinkwell knmap also creates it in the root01:25
raphinkso that's fine01:25
raphinkit's not the pb01:25
crimsunbut is the filename called knmap.1?01:26
raphinkyes01:26
crimsunsee, that's the difference01:26
raphinkwhy?01:26
crimsunthe two man pages that are generated don't match the package name01:27
raphinkhmm01:27
raphinkthey are called kim_album.1 and kim_compress.101:27
raphinkmaybe I can't put "_" in manpages names01:27
crimsuntherefore you have to pass them explicitly: dh_installman -pkim kim_album.1 kim_compress.101:27
crimsunsure you can01:27
crimsun(see apt_preferences)01:28
raphinkhmm01:28
raphinkso you mean its this that it wrong :01:28
raphinkDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim_album = kim_album.101:28
raphinkDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim_compress = kim_compress.101:28
raphinkthese lines don't work ?01:28
crimsunyou have packages named kim_album and kim_compress?01:29
crimsun(which would be illegal anyhow, since _ is a delimiter for version)01:29
raphinknot packages but binaries01:29
raphinkI have 14 binaires in this package01:29
raphinkso I need one package for each01:29
crimsunyes, that's wrong01:30
crimsunbecause you have no package called kim_album or kim_compress01:30
raphinkoh ic01:30
raphinkso how should I do that ?01:30
raphinkso I can have one manpage for each binary in my package01:30
crimsunDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.101:31
raphinkok01:31
raphinkwith the : ?01:32
crimsunI would, but I don't think it matters01:33
crimsun(I'm not a cdbs guru)01:33
raphinkok01:33
raphink;)01:33
raphinkI'll try that01:33
crimsun(though it really has more to do with debhelper than cdbs)01:33
raphinkhmm01:34
raphinklet's see ;)01:34
sistpotycrimsun: may I beg you to upload a package for me?01:35
crimsunsistpoty: sure01:35
sistpotyhttp://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/uploads/ <- nvtv (source already in the archives)01:35
raphinkdidn't work crimsun :(01:35
raphinkDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.101:36
raphinkshouldn't it be :01:36
raphinkDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.101:36
raphinkoosps sorry01:36
raphinkDEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim = kim_album.1 kim_compress.101:36
raphink?01:37
raphinkyeah :)01:38
raphinkit works01:38
raphinkbut not in man:/ in konqueror01:38
raphinkonly in console it seems01:38
sistpotyyou can do man in konqueror? cool :)01:39
crimsunerr, right, I omitted the _package01:39
raphinkyep ;)01:39
raphinksistpoty: but not all mans, only the kde ones I think01:39
crimsunyou could also have generated debian/manpages with kim_album.1 and kim_compress.1 as the contents01:39
raphinkic01:39
raphinkhaha I'm stupid01:40
raphinkLOOOOOOOOOOOL01:40
raphinkI'm sshed on my comp, i'm not home01:40
sistpotyhehe01:40
raphinkso obviously when I installed the package to test it, I did it on my comp there01:40
raphinknot here01:40
raphinkso the man worked in console THERE01:40
raphinkbut not in the GUI HERE ;)01:40
raphinkhaha01:40
raphinkdoh01:40
raphinkok well so at least it works01:41
raphinknow I'm not sure of the quality of my manpages :(01:41
raphinkhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/472901:41
raphinkis this ^^ good enough for a manapge?01:41
crimsun(sec)01:42
sistpotyraphink: quite good... maybe you should explain the "quality" usage a little bit better01:42
raphinkwell i'm not the upstream author01:43
raphinkso it's not easy for me01:43
raphinkI have to decrypt each script to find out about options01:43
sistpotyraphink: as in kim_compress [ -quality  <quality> ]  (or s.th.)01:43
raphinkhmmm01:43
raphinki'm not sure of the syntax in docbook to write that01:44
crimsunsistpoty: uploaded01:44
sistpotycrimsun: thx01:44
crimsunnp01:44
raphinkI used01:44
raphink  <refsynopsisdiv>01:44
raphink    <cmdsynopsis>01:44
raphink      <command>kim_compress</command>01:44
raphink      <arg choice="opt">01:44
raphink        <option>quality</option>01:44
raphink      </arg>01:45
raphink      <arg >image files</arg>01:45
raphink    </cmdsynopsis>01:45
raphink  </refsynopsisdiv>01:45
raphinknot sure this is right01:45
raphink(sorry for the little flood)01:45
raphinkimage files are mandatory01:45
raphinkbut -quality is an option01:46
raphinkmogrify -quality $QUALITY "$FILE"01:46
sistpotyraphink: sorry, haven't got really much experience with sgml... I'll try to find an example01:46
raphinkok01:47
raphinkI can't find examples so it's not easy ;)01:47
raphinkit's apity since all I need to do in this package still is manpages01:47
sistpotyraphink: perhaps <arg choice="opt"><option>quality<option><replaceable>n</replaceable>01:48
raphinkhmm01:48
sistpotyi have no clue if this actually works... i just found it somewhere ;)01:48
raphinksistpoty: when it says :01:48
raphinkFILE="";01:48
raphinkQUALITY="$1";01:48
raphinkDIR="$2";01:48
raphinkhow are these arguments taken ?01:49
sistpotyquality is first argument, dir second... unless there is s.th. like "shift" in it01:49
raphinkdoh I could look in the .desktop to find the answers ;)01:50
raphinkkim_compress 80 %D01:50
raphinkthat's the kind of entries in teh .desktop files01:50
raphinkor01:50
raphinkkim_compress 80 %D01:50
raphinkoops01:50
raphinkit's01:50
raphinkkim_compress 80 %D01:50
raphinkhmm with % U in the end ;)01:51
raphinkhehe01:51
raphinkso I think it must be : kim_compress quality directory image_files01:51
raphinkso it should be written01:52
sistpotyyep... seems so01:52
raphinkkim_compress [quality]  [directory]  [image files]  ...01:52
raphinkright?01:52
raphinkjust like lintian is :01:52
raphinklintian [action]  [options]  [packages]  ...01:52
sistpotyyep. seems good01:53
raphink:)01:53
sistpotycrimsun: did you try to upload ghc6? that's already there ;)01:56
crimsunsistpoty: yes, I punted whatever was in the directory01:57
crimsunsorry about the double upload01:57
sistpotycrimsun: np... katie rejected it01:57
sistpotycrimsun: maybe i should have been more clear ;)01:57
crimsunyeah, I've bombed two duplicates in the past day, argh01:58
ajmitchslomo_: liferea (0.9.7b+test1.0rc3-1ubuntu1) -- yay for ugly versioning ;)01:58
sistpotyhey ajmitch01:59
ajmitchhi01:59
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ajmitchthen 1.0rel when it's released :)01:59
sistpotyhehe02:00
raphinksistpoty: how about that ? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/473202:00
sistpotyraphink: looks good to me02:02
raphinkok :)02:02
raphinkI'm gonna do them this way :)02:02
raphink:)02:05
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raphinksistpoty: since I'm going to have many docbooks02:08
raphinkis it fine if I create a debian/man/ dir02:09
raphinkand put them there so it's cleaner?02:09
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sistpotyraphink: that's up to you ;)02:17
raphinkok :)02:17
sistpotyraphink: as long as the created files are cleaned02:17
raphinkof course ;)02:17
raphinki just dont' want debian/ to be overcrowded with manpages ;)02:18
raphinkI think files should be easily found in it02:18
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raphinkooo I think I'll finish tomorrow ;)02:24
sistpotyhehe02:24
raphinkheh ;)02:26
raphink6 manpages done ...02:26
raphink8 to go02:26
sistpotyraphink: i just took a look at toutf8 again02:26
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sistpotyraphink: there isn't anything arch-specific built, is there?02:26
raphinksistpoty: I uploaded it again since the dev produced a new version with german02:26
raphinknope sistpoty02:26
raphinkit's just .desktop files02:27
raphinkso only bin deps and that's it02:27
raphinkwhy?02:27
sistpotythen it should be Architecture: all (instead of any)02:27
raphinkoh ic02:27
raphinkI'll correct it immediatly02:27
sistpoty:)02:27
raphinkNow running lintian...02:28
raphinkW: toutf8 source: build-depends-without-arch-dep02:28
raphinksince I put all02:28
raphinkI mean Architecture : all02:28
raphinkbut I need cdbs to build ;)02:28
raphinkis taht fine?02:28
sistpotyerm... no... there is some way to do it. but I don't know the cdbs way right now ;)02:29
raphinkI mean obviously the binary doesnt' require a specific arch, but the build does since I use cdbs02:29
ajmitchBuild-Depends-Indep02:29
raphinkajmitch: where do i put that?02:29
ajmitchinstead of Build-Depends02:29
sistpotythx ajmitch:02:29
raphinkok02:29
raphinkthanks much ajmitch02:30
raphinksistpoty: just uploaded it again ;)02:31
raphinkwith Architecture:all and Build-Depends-Indep02:31
sistpotyhe, have to wait ~4 mins ;) (cron runs every 5 mins to process incoming packages on revu)02:31
raphinkok02:32
raphinki've worked again on kio-sword and knmap02:32
raphinki think they should be fine by now02:32
raphinkand kim is not ready since I have to finish all these manpages ;)02:33
sistpotyok02:33
raphink:)02:33
sistpotybut I can't promise I'll review all of them today ;)02:33
ajmitchsigh, I think my ISP's transparent proxy is breaking things badly today02:34
sistpotyomg02:34
raphinkajmitch: :( sorry to hear that02:34
ajmitchlots of packages are failing to fetch, & it stops at the same place02:34
raphinksistpoty: I guess kim should also be Architecture:all since it's a collection of bash scripts ;)02:35
sistpotyraphink: yep02:35
sistpotyraphink: everything that doesn't get binary/arch-specific stuff built should be "all"02:35
raphinkok02:35
raphink:)02:35
raphinksistpoty: toutf8 is up now :)02:37
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sistpotyraphink: toutf8 advocated ;)02:41
raphinkthanks sistpoty :)02:41
sistpotythanks for your contribution, raphink02:41
raphinkit's a pleasure :)02:41
ajmitchI guess I can't upload but I can still prepare stuff & still review ;)02:41
raphinkI hope I can contribute more in the future :)02:41
sistpoty:)02:42
crimsunajmitch: you can upload to universe, though?02:42
ajmitchcrimsun: nope02:42
crimsungah02:42
ajmitchraphink: perhaps toutf8 could be named better to indicate it's for konqueror?02:43
raphinkhmm02:43
raphinkwell that's the name the dev gave to it02:43
ajmitchI know02:43
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ajmitchbut we often rename things to fit with policy :)02:43
raphinkif you search for konqueror, you'll find toutf802:43
raphinkok02:43
raphinkhmm02:44
ajmitchcrimsun: since I had to replace my gpg key I can't do anything02:44
raphinkkonq-toutf8 ?02:44
raphinkI'll see about that tomorow02:45
ajmitchif Riddell was around still you could check with him02:45
raphinkit's too late now ;)02:45
raphinkI'll ask Riddell tomorrow ;)02:45
ajmitchhe'd know more than I would about KDE naming :)02:45
sistpotyfor sure ;)02:45
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raphinknow it's almost 3AM i need to sleep02:45
sistpotygnight raphink02:45
raphinkgood night02:45
raphink:)02:45
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zuldamn postal office02:47
ajmitchI know I didn't leave it behind in canada, so I suspect I never took it with me in the first place02:47
Riddellhmm?02:49
ajmitchRiddell: you're up late02:49
ajmitchjust a question about naming a small package for konqueror service menus02:50
Riddellajmitch: I have flight-1 candidate CDs to test02:50
Riddellkonq-toutf8 seems sensible to me02:50
ajmitchok02:50
ajmitchlucky you, I hope it goes smoothly :)02:51
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sistpotyI'm off to bed now... gn803:59
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magnonsiretart: ping05:07
magnonmight be a tad early :)05:07
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LaserJockMOTUScience folks check out the wiki, I added source package lists from lucas's program07:19
minghuaLaserJock: nice list07:23
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LaserJockminghua: hmm, I haven't completely checked it out. I'm sure there are some bugs ;-)07:24
LaserJockI wanted a place where we can see what we have and especially the debian-ubuntu version comparison07:25
minghuaHmm, and tetex-bin and tetex-base is not in the TeX section list07:27
LaserJockthey are in main I think07:27
minghuaI see07:28
LaserJockI specifically wanted to just do universe07:31
LaserJockbut it might be worth having another list for main, etc. so we can get a fuller picture07:31
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zakamehi all09:17
crimsunhi09:19
zakameheh, brownout here in my locality :(09:22
zakamecan any motu please revu libmemcache? thanks in advance :)09:25
KmirnoHello someone in USA ?09:31
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KmirnoCould someone in USA please wget http://tools.letsgozik.com/bigtest and tell me the ko/s rate ?09:32
Kmirno(don't need to d/l it fully, just need the rate)09:32
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zakamehmmm, does ubuntu have an equivalent of packages.qa.debian.org? or is this served by launchpad?09:50
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minghuaAm I the only one getting "can't find /etc/shadow" error in pbuilder chroot?10:02
crimsunnope10:02
minghuazakame: Not that I'm aware of10:02
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crimsunminghua: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=33897610:03
crimsunjust needs to be merged10:04
minghuacrimsun: thanks for the pointer10:05
crimsunogra actually pointed it to me :)10:05
minghuacrimsun: so the current work around is just login and touch /etc/passwd?10:06
=== minghua hopes that would work
minghuahow did you guys solve this problem?10:07
minghuaHmm, maybe I can just modify the pbuilder script myself10:07
minghuathat would be dirty though...10:07
crimsunmodifying it per Markus Kolb's 2-line patch is recommended until someone merges 0.13910:09
minghuacrimsun: yeah, I figure that would be easier than other solutions10:10
minghuacrimsun: thanks a lot :-)10:10
crimsunnp10:11
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minghua_so dapper cleaned up /usr/X11R6/ completely?  Gah.10:43
minghua_seems I've got a tough package to merge, then10:43
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sivangmornig all11:02
crimsunhi11:02
GloubiboulgaIs there any way to clean a chroot ?11:07
KmirnoGloubiboulga: rm -Rf is pretty good11:08
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GloubiboulgaKmirno: sure :)11:08
Gloubiboulgabut is there an other way ?11:09
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minghua_hardcoded /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ path is EVIL11:16
crimsunquite11:16
minghua_Gloubiboulga: for pbuilder there is an clean command, but it will clean your cache as well11:17
minghua_so I won't use it again :-(11:17
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Gloubiboulgaso rm -Rf is the solution11:22
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siretartGloubiboulga: some people are proposing using lvm, and working on snapshopts. that way you can recreate a clean chroot easily by doing the 'lvcreate -s /dev/vg00/chroots ... ' magic11:25
zakamehello all11:25
Gloubiboulgasiretart: seems interesting11:26
GloubiboulgaI'll have a look at this11:26
siretartGloubiboulga: it uses copy on write (cow) techniques. So i/o operations are very cheap11:27
zakamecow!11:29
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asbinhi everybody11:33
asbinI have some questions about how to make a new package for ubunutu ...11:33
asbinis it the right place ?11:33
zakameasbin: have you read DeveloperResources on the wiki? :)11:34
asbinyes I have read a lot of pages on the wiki, but I have not found all answers ;)11:34
asbinI am one of the developpers of GeeXboX, a multimedia player11:35
zakameasbin: ooh11:36
asbinand I maintain the deb. packages, so my questions are not about how to make a package, but how to put it in ubuntu (and/or Debian) repository11:37
zakameah11:39
asbinI've also a package for ushare, a lightweight UPnP A/V Media Server, that we can use with geexbox (and others upnp clients..)11:40
zakamewhat's the url for this?11:41
asbinhttp://www.geexbox.org and http://ushare.geexbox.org11:41
asbinI've tried to upload ushare on REVU, but I was'nt in the database at this moment (now it's ok, but files are still on the server)11:42
zakamehmm, have you gotten your gpg key signed?11:46
asbinyes, and sent it by email ...11:47
asbinbut I've upload the source/package on REVU to soon :(11:47
minghua_asbin: you should receive a reply about your key getting added to revu keyring11:48
asbinyes, i've received it ;)11:49
siretartasbin: are u talking about ushare?11:49
asbinyes11:50
zakamehmm, it's not there in revu... does it go by that name?11:50
siretartasbin: done11:50
asbinok. thank you !11:51
siretartwho uploaded ksplash-engine-moodin?11:51
jpatricksiretart: I did11:51
asbinshould I upload source+package or just the package ?11:51
siretartjpatrick: please don't upload binary packages, we can only process sourceful uploads!11:51
siretartasbin: just the source11:51
siretartand please always with FULL source (i.e. with .orig.tar.gz)11:52
jpatricksiretart: sorry11:52
asbinok ;)11:52
zakamethere, i see ushare already11:52
siretartjpatrick: no problem. I just deleted your upload, because there was no source included11:53
jpatricksiretart: how do I stop the .deb from being uploaded?11:53
siretartsure, I just run process_uploads manually ;)11:53
siretartjpatrick: use `dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa`, just as instructed on the wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU11:53
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zakameasbin: hmmm, your .diff.gz is just a diff on changelog?  where's the ./debian?11:54
zakameasbin: ah, it's in the .orig.tar.gz...11:56
minghua_if I made my own merge, I should change the "MoM" line from scott's page to the REVU page of my uploaded package, right?11:56
asbinyes, as I'm one of the maintainer, debian dir is on the arch repository11:57
siretartplease rather dont use revu for merges for now11:58
siretartrevu is not that suited for that kind of work, until we dont can see the debdiffs directly11:58
zakameasbin: is this debian-dir on a separate version/branch?11:58
siretartI'm working on that, but dont expect results too soon11:58
zakameminghua_: or a debdiff11:58
jpatricksiretart: so full command is: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY11:59
mirakminghua_: generally I find it a bit dumb to have all path hardcoded at compilation11:59
siretartjpatrick: yes, that would work11:59
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minghua_siretart: ah, sorry, I won't use REVU next time12:01
jpatricksiretart: reuploading12:01
minghua_mirak: yeah, but in this case it's not that bad, everything are in a Make.dep file12:01
siretartminghua_: no need to sorry, we really appreciate your work12:02
siretartminghua_: I just don't think that revu will help to get your contribution processed quickly12:02
asbinOk, great, and now that the package is on REVU, and when everything will be ok, what can I do to put it on ubuntu repository ?12:03
zakameindeed, there seems to be a backlog of NEW packages :(12:03
jpatricksiretart: I thought it had a *.orig.tar.gz12:09
minghua_the MOTOToMerge page says I need to get my name and email white-listed on dapper-changes, how can I do that?12:10
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siretartjpatrick: check the _source.changes file12:15
siretartminghua_: I think wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads explains the process12:16
siretartminghua_: feel free to set a link to that page12:16
jpatrickpackage is there: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=95912:17
siretartjpatrick: your package fails to build from source :(12:24
zakamesiretart: after jpatrick's can you check libmemcache too? :)12:26
jpatricksiretart: I should of added ksplash to the control file for build-deps12:27
minghua_siretart: My understanding is that I need to apply as new maintainer, is that the only way to get my upload white-listed?12:28
siretartminghua_: no, you just need to ask elmo to get you added to the whitelist12:29
siretartminghua_: hint: *@ubuntu.com is autowhitelisted, so you 'just' need to become member ;)12:29
minghua_siretart: I see, so that's going to be upload@ubuntulinux.org for asking to be added, right?12:29
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siretartminghua_: I think so, yes12:30
siretartmorning Fuddl!12:30
Fuddlhi siretart12:30
minghua_siretart: thanks, I'm going to do that next then12:30
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jpatricksiretart: reuploaded12:38
minghua_good night everyone12:49
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SloMoSnailajmitch: but it's not my fault this time :P btw, new avahi :)01:06
Lathiatslomo, ajmitch: mmm i think the major change will be the new comapt libraries01:27
Lathiatwe should look at some kind of extra extra package that makes the avahi-howl and avahi-bonjour compat libraries also install howl.pc/libdns-sd.so etc01:27
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zakamehi02:11
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ctddear motu, i have found you a new image. http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1132402828160.jpg - love, ctd.02:29
zakamebuwahaha02:30
zakamectd: actually, that was what I had in mind when I first heard of motu :) thanks for reminding me :))02:31
Lathiatctd: heh02:31
zakamehmmm, netatalk doesn't seem to build, build-deps not met as libdb4.2-dev removes heimdal-dev and kerberos4kth-dev, all of which build-depended on by netatalk :(02:36
zakamewhat should I do?02:36
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zakameeh?03:06
zakamesiretart: did you pbuilt my libmemcache? if so, thanks :)03:07
zakameI saw its page in revu populated with the built debs03:07
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zakamehey pef :)03:09
pefhello03:09
Gloubiboulgahi pef03:09
pefGloubiboulga: hi, I'm checking denemo03:11
Gloubiboulgathanks pef :)03:12
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Gloubiboulgais my package that bad pef  ? ;)03:13
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pefGloubiboulga: I'm doing more thing in the same time :)03:25
pefthings03:25
slomozakame: standards version 3.6.2 is sufficient... 3.6.2.X are only versions with cosmetical changes ;)03:29
zakameslomo: yes, ajmitch told me that yesterday :)03:29
pefGloubiboulga: updated03:29
zakamehowever, if I see 3.6.5, can I still update that to 3.6.2.1?03:29
Gloubiboulgaok pef03:29
slomozakame: 3.6.1.5? sure... but if this is the only change you do don't do it...03:30
zakameslomo: ok... as for nss-mdns, that's true03:31
slomozakame: no, you changed more than that... added avahi-daemon to recommends... so it's fine :)03:31
zakameactually its 3.6.1 , and for that pkg mdnsresponder doesn't seem to be in dapper anymore03:32
slomozakame: wasn't even in breezy... we have avahi-daemon now03:32
zakameslomo: ooh, so you're looking at it now, thanks :)03:32
zakameah ok :)03:32
slomozakame: just a quick look over... when you send me a mail with all pending uploads by you i will process them later today or tomorrow :)03:32
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zakameslomo: ok, many many thanks :D03:33
slomozakame: slomo@ubuntu.com03:34
zakamegot it03:34
Gloubiboulgapef: new upload03:41
pefGloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/denemo-0511190940/denemo_0.7.4-0ubuntu1.diff lilypond still here ?03:42
Gloubiboulgahum...03:42
Gloubiboulgasomething went wrong...03:42
zakameslomo, pef: can you check libmemcache at REVU too? thanks :)03:44
pefzakame: sure03:45
zakamepef: thanks! :)03:46
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Gloubiboulgapef: LilyPond is dead ;)03:51
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zakamewb hunger03:52
hungerhi zakame.03:52
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zakamehey bmonty_laptop03:53
bmonty_laptophi zakame03:54
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zakamegood night all :D04:20
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raphinkanyone can review my kim packages ? :)05:13
raphinkplease ;)05:16
hungerraphink: nope, I won't.05:16
raphink:( :(05:16
slomo_what is kim?05:19
raphinka set a servicemenu scripts for konqueror05:20
raphinkto manage images05:20
raphinklike convert, compress, rename, rotate, etc.05:20
slomo_hmm... i know nothing about kde but i can review it for everything else tomorrow05:21
Kyralslomo_, you made the cowbell package right?05:22
slomo_yes05:23
KyralYou know if an ebuild for Gentoo exists?05:23
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KyralI showed it to a friend05:24
Kyraland he loves it, but he runs Gentoo :P05:24
slomo_no idea05:24
slomo_write one if there is none ;)05:24
KyralI barely have a grasp of Debian Packages, how the heck am I supposed to learn how to make eBuilds?!05:25
slomo_ebuilds are easier imho05:26
KyralBut it would require me to install Gentoo :P05:26
slomo_yes05:26
Kyralunless there happen to be eBuild tools for Debian systems :P05:26
slomo_well, say him to compile it by hand or open a bug on their bts05:26
Kyralwait a second..VMWare released a their "player" for free right?05:26
Kyralso if I can make a VMWare image with our legit copy of VMWare in the labs, I can use the player on my computer and emulated Gentoo for these purposes05:28
Kyralironic. As soon as my friends who use Linux found out I can make packages, they want me to make packages for them05:30
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KyralExcept almost none of them are Debian Packages05:30
Kyralie, my friend wants me to make a Pacman package for Beagle so he can install it on ArchLinux05:30
siretartpoor Kyral05:33
siretart;)05:33
KyralIts flatterring05:33
Kyral:D05:33
KyralOh are anyone's PBuilders broken as of late?05:34
slomo_shadow?05:34
Kyralyah05:34
slomo_pbuilder login --save-after-login05:34
slomo_touch /etc/shadow05:34
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Kyralcool thanks05:34
slomo_fixed it for me05:35
KyralAfter Kenshin ;P05:35
lfittlslomo_: Maybe we could add that information to the PbuilderHowto wiki page?05:36
KyralShould I add a note about multiple ones? At least the way I do it?05:36
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KyralHas anyone seen the movie Revolution OS?05:39
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Riddellhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=940 may be ready for upload07:03
ompaulKyral, yes but that would be more a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic more for chats07:04
ajmitch+Copyright: 200507:05
ajmitch+        - Lethalman <lethalman88@gmail.com>07:05
ajmitch+        - Slash <immigrant@email.it>07:05
ajmitchgot to love copyright statements like that ;)07:05
ompaulajmitch, well depends on the software07:07
ompaul:-)07:07
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pefsiretart: hello, can you please change my login email on REVU, loic@dev.erodia.net by loic@ubuntu.com ? thanks !07:20
Riddelldo we only need two reviews for new MOTU packages now?  gwenrename is in ready to upload07:31
ajmitchyes07:31
Riddellwhen did that change?07:32
slomo_months ago ;)07:32
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LaserJockI don't suppose I could get a MOTU or 2 to review plotdrop?07:48
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raphinkRiddell: changes applied and uploaded again :)08:05
Riddellraphink: to which?08:05
raphinkRiddell: kio-sword :)08:12
raphinkthe one you reviewed just before ;)08:12
RiddellI have reviewed many packages today08:12
raphink:)08:13
raphinkok I had not seen the other reviews yet sorry08:13
raphinki'll work on the other ones soon08:13
lfittlsiretart: ping08:23
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pefLaserJock: why not ? :)08:32
LaserJockpef: well, I know that you guys are busy so I don't want to be a pain08:33
pefLaserJock: I'm reviewing it08:33
LaserJockpefa: cool, it's my first package from scratch08:33
lfittlpef: If you have time, could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=970 too?08:34
pefwill do the 2 reviews this evening :)08:35
lfittl:)08:36
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raphinkRiddell: the dpkg-divert in kim is because some kim functions are redundant with other konqueror servicemenus included in konq-plugins. The original package used a mv to ~ at install and mv from ~ at deinstall. I chose to use dpkg-divert instead.08:48
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foampeac1hello10:04
jpatrickhi10:04
foampeacemaybe im silly10:05
foampeacebut i compiled this beep media player alarm10:05
foampeaceits a deb in the breezy10:05
foampeacei just wondering about contributing it10:05
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foampeacei have the deb package10:06
jpatrickfoampeace: do you have a GPG Key?10:06
foampeacejpatrick: i dont know what that is10:06
jpatrickGNU Privacy Guard Key10:07
foampeaceok10:07
foampeacei just found this source on the web and had to compile and thought it would go well with beep media playe like theone for xmms10:08
foampeacebecause beep seems to be more solid10:08
foampeacethe beep media play alarm that is10:08
foampeaceWhats a maintainer10:09
jpatrickfoampeace: a Debian package builder10:10
foampeaceoh and i just did this didnt i10:10
foampeacehehe :>10:10
foampeaceare you a master of the universe?10:12
jpatrickfoampeace: no10:12
jpatrickyou have to run "gpg --gen-key" in the console10:13
jpatrickMake the key10:14
foampeacefor what10:16
jpatrickso you can be added to the uploaders list of REVU10:17
foampeacePlease select what kind of key you want: (1) DSA and Elgamal (default) (2) DSA (sign only) (5) RSA (sign only)10:18
raphinkdefault foampeace10:18
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raphinkfoampeace: when you make yourself a key10:18
raphinktry to launch a lot of programs10:19
raphinklike music, video, 3D stuff10:19
foampeaceim sorry?10:19
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foampeaceraphink: you mean submit those?10:19
raphinknope foampeace10:19
raphinkI mean run a lot of programs while creating your key, which is what y'oure doing now10:20
raphinkto create a key, your computer has to generate random strings10:20
jpatrickhelps the process10:20
raphinkthe more programs you run at the same time, the more random the strings will be10:20
raphinkand the better the key will be10:20
foampeaceheheh10:20
foampeacei dont understand10:20
raphinkanyhow, if you don't run many programs, gpg might tell you to do so10:20
raphinkwell foampeace10:20
raphinkdo you know what a pgp key is?10:21
foampeacepgp or gpg?10:21
tsenggpg is an implementation of pgp10:21
foampeaceno i dont but im searching for docs10:21
raphinkgpg is an open source equivalent of pgp10:21
raphinkwell implementation yes tseng :)10:21
raphinkfoampeace: a pgp (or gpg) key is something that can identify you personaly10:22
foampeaceim reading this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey?action=show&redirect=GetYourKeySigned10:22
raphinkfoampeace: with a pgp key, you can sign files or emails10:22
tsenguh oh10:22
tsengi think i wrote part of that10:22
raphinkhaha10:22
raphink;)10:22
tsengyou'd better stop while you're ahead10:22
raphinkfoampeace: when you create a key, you set a passphrase (or password) for it10:23
raphinkso you are the only person able to use your key, since you're the only one knowing the password10:23
raphinkyour key contains informations on you10:23
foampeacei want to contribute...so i have to take baby steps here10:23
raphinkyes foampeace10:24
jpatrickfoampeace: it also creates a public key10:24
raphinkfoampeace: when you contribute by making packages10:24
raphinkyou have to have a pgp key10:24
raphinkin order to sign your packages10:24
raphinkso you can testify that you (and no one else) have been doing this work10:24
foampeacepgp or gpg key...doesnt matter?10:24
raphinkfoampeace: you'll use gpg to create a pgp key10:24
raphink;)10:24
foampeaceok but i didnt creat the source for this i just made it into a deb10:25
raphinkyou need to sign your deb foampeace10:25
raphinkso you need a key for that10:25
foampeaceok10:25
foampeaceill try10:26
raphinkcreating a key doesn't take much time10:26
jpatrickfoampeace: and you need the key to upload to REVU10:26
raphinkit's far easier than making packages ;)10:26
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raphinkand you might need your key for many other things than just packaging10:27
jpatrickemails, files, etc10:27
raphinkpgp keys are used to manage trust networks10:28
raphinkwith your key, you can sign other keys10:28
foampeaceraphink: i the comment to be shown somewhere?10:28
raphinkwhen you sign a key, you testify that you know for sure the holder of this key10:28
raphinkdon't put comments foampeace10:28
raphinkyour name will look like this :10:28
jpatrickI did10:28
raphinkFirst Last (Comment)10:29
raphinkso if yo uput a comment10:29
raphinkyou'll have to put it everywhere10:29
raphinkotherwise you won't be able to sign with this id10:29
raphink;)10:29
foampeacepassphrase is a password?10:29
raphinkyes foampeace10:29
jpatrickfoampeace: don't tell it to anyone10:30
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foampeaceok i made it10:34
raphinkgood10:34
raphinknow your key can be used for many things10:34
raphinkyou can for example sign your messages in your mail client10:34
raphinkso people can be sure you are the writer and it's not spam10:34
raphinkor you can encrypt messages so they can be read only by holders of another given key10:35
jpatrickfoampeace: run gpg --list-keys to see it10:35
raphinketc.?10:35
raphinketc.10:35
foampeacejpatrick: i have to export the key?10:35
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raphinkyou can export it foampeace10:35
Gloubi|To_Parisgood night10:35
raphinkso people can find it on the internet10:36
jpatrickfoampeace: there should be a 'pub' line10:36
jpatrickfoampeace: like 'pub   1024D/F4944AEE'10:36
foampeaceyes10:37
jpatrickthe F4944AEE bit is what you want10:37
jpatrickrun 'gpg -k keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys $YOURKEYID'10:38
foampeacefirst last name is my "user name" for export?10:38
foampeaceso its $F4944AEE?10:40
foampeacebut my own10:40
foampeaceor without the $ dollar sign10:41
raphinkyou can tell this reference foampeace10:41
raphinkit's no secret10:41
raphinkthis is your public key10:41
raphinkso anyone can know it10:41
raphinkand it's without the $ sign10:42
raphinkjpatrick just used $YOURKEYID meaning that it's a variable to be replaced by your id10:42
foampeaceok i sent the key10:42
raphinkgood :)10:43
foampeace Meet, verify your IDs and exchange fingerprints ?!10:43
raphinkthat's when you meet people10:44
raphinkfor keysigning parties10:44
raphinkyou'll have time to know about this ;)10:44
jpatricknight guys10:44
foampeacecopy the content of public.key...whered this go10:47
raphinkfoampeace: in order to sign to the keyring to upload your package10:47
raphinkyou need to set your email client10:47
raphinkthat's the next step10:47
raphinkso you can sign emails with your key10:47
raphinkwhat email client are you using foampeace ?10:48
foampeacejust web based email10:48
foampeacei need one?10:48
raphinkthat won't make it I'm afraid10:48
foampeacei can use one for this10:48
raphinkI don't think you can sign emails with web interfaces10:48
raphinkdo you use gnome of kde ?10:49
foampeaceya i have sylpheed i can try that10:49
raphinkI won't be able to help you with this. Dunno what it is10:49
foampeaceknow of another?10:49
raphinkif you answer my question, sure ;)10:49
raphinkare you using gnome or kde ?10:50
foampeacehttp://pgp.mit.edu/ is where i enter ######## ?10:50
raphink??10:50
foampeacei use gnome10:50
raphinkyou could use evolution for ex10:51
raphinkany gnome user here to support foampeace ? ;)10:51
foampeaceya i find it strange10:51
foampeaceevolitions10:51
raphinkI don't know many gnome-based clients10:51
raphinki don't use gnome10:51
minghuaraphink: support for what?  finding a email client?10:51
foampeacesylpheed supposed to be good10:51
raphinkminghua: foampeace just created a pgp key10:51
minghuaraphink: sorry, that part I can't help, I use mutt myself10:52
raphinkhehe ok10:52
raphink;)10:52
raphinkI could help with kmail10:52
raphinkbut i'm ignorant of gnome-based solutions10:52
minghuabut gnome users should consider thunderbird10:52
foampeacecan you explain what this means? #10:52
foampeacecan you explain what this means? Copy the content of public.key:10:53
foampeace#10:53
foampeaceOpen [WWW]  http://pgp.mit.edu in a browser window.10:53
raphinkgood one, yes10:53
raphinkwhat are you doing foampeace ?10:53
raphinkwhy do you need that?10:53
minghuaand I bet you can find thousands of articles about setting up gpg in thunderbird through google10:53
raphinkyes minghua10:53
raphinkpretty sure10:53
foampeace Copy the content of public.key:10:53
foampeacepaste to site10:53
raphinkfoampeace: where did you find that and why do you need to do that?10:54
foampeaceraphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey?action=show&redirect=GetYourKeySigned10:54
foampeacetopic is get your key signed10:54
foampeacei mean submit your key10:54
foampeaceok ill get thunderbird10:54
raphinkyou don't need to go to mit.edu for that10:55
foampeaceraphink: ok i assume the line before that was the same thing? xport Your Key10:56
foampeacegpg --export -a "User Name" > public.key10:56
raphinkyou don't need taht foampeace10:57
raphinkyou're not going to a keysigning party10:57
foampeaceUsing GnuPG:10:57
foampeacegpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <KEYID>10:57
raphinkthis you did already10:57
raphinkyou just need to set thunderbird now10:57
raphinkthat's it10:57
foampeaceya10:57
foampeacek10:57
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foampeaceso i can contribute anything with this key beside packages?11:01
LaserJockhow do I know if my key is in the strong set ?11:01
KyralKeysigning parties are fun :D11:01
KyralLaserJock you have to get it signed by one of the MOTUs I think11:01
foampeaceKyral: what are keysigning parties?11:01
LaserJockKyral: only a MOTU?11:02
KyralLike I think mine is b/c dholbach signed it11:02
KyralLaserJock, or someone else in the Strong Set11:02
raphinkLaserJock: check if you have a direct path to ogra for example11:02
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Kyraloyah dangit11:02
KyralI gotta sign ogra's too11:02
raphinkhehe11:03
Kyralwe exchanged fingerprints at Ubuntu Love11:03
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foampeacefingerprints in person?11:03
raphinkLaserJock: check with mine, i'm in the strongest : http://pgp.raphink.net11:03
foampeace:)11:03
LaserJockok, well I had a key signed by someone that is listed in the strong set on biglumber.com but now it says that I am not in the strong set11:03
KyralYah you have to verify11:03
KyralHow do you check to see if its in the Strong Set anyway?11:03
raphinkKyral: by checking for a direct path to a person in the strong set11:04
raphinkif I'm not wrong11:04
Kyraland dholbach is in the strong set right?11:04
raphinkhmm dunno11:04
raphinkogra told me I am11:04
raphinkso you can check with mine ;)11:04
KyralStrong Set is for Main Uploading right?11:06
raphinkI don't think so Kyral11:07
raphink(but i might be wrong)11:07
raphinkKyral: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/plot/11:07
KyralHey ogra you still have my Fingerprint?11:07
raphinkthe strong set has nothing to do with distros i think11:07
LaserJockok, but the person who signed my key is in the strong set but I'm not, how come?11:08
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raphinkhow do you know you're not in the strong set LaserJock ?11:08
LaserJockraphink: it says on biglumber and I can't get a path to your key11:09
LaserJockraphink: but I can get a path from him to you11:09
raphinkdid you go to my page and entered your ID LaserJock ?11:09
LaserJockraphink: yep11:09
raphinkhmmm11:09
raphinkwhat is it?11:09
LaserJock92742B3311:09
raphinkhas your key been exported to the public servers?11:10
raphinkI guess not11:10
raphink;)11:10
Kyrallinkage11:10
Kyralhttp://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=0F1A6639&TO=74BF771E&PATHS=trust+paths11:10
LaserJockraphink: it should be11:10
KyralI forgot that Simon signed my key11:10
LaserJockraphink: it's on biglumber and mit11:10
raphinkLaserJock: export it to a keyserver11:10
LaserJockraphink: export what? my key11:11
raphinkKyral: there's no worry about your key i think ;)11:11
KyralYah11:11
raphinkyes LaserJock11:11
raphinkexport it to pgpkeys.mit.edu for example11:12
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LaserJockraphink: I'm already on there but I will do it again I guess11:13
raphinkok11:13
Kyralwhats the command to sign a key so you can attach it to an email?11:14
raphinkKyral: you shouldn't sign keys without meeting the holder11:14
Kyralraphink, I did11:14
raphinktaht's not good :p11:14
KyralI just haven't had time to sign Ogra's key11:14
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Kyralraphink, I know all about the trust thing11:15
KyralI'm just wondering if ogra is actually awake ;P11:16
raphinklol11:16
raphinkwell I guess you know the consequences of signing keys without being sure of the holder11:16
raphink;)11:16
KyralDeadmeat11:16
raphinkloool11:17
KyralI have his business card sitting right in front of me11:17
raphinkok11:17
raphink:)11:17
KyralI'll hold off on sending the key out to the server until he's around11:18
raphink:)11:20
KyralIt was amusing at Ubuntu Love11:20
raphinkwhat is taht?11:20
KyralI had forgotten to print out my keyprints11:20
Kyralthe first day of Ubuntu Below Zero11:20
Kyralso I had used one of my friend's laptops to SSH into a server on campus, then SSH from there into my box in my room. Then I copied the fingerprint, printed it out to a wireless LAN connected printer :P11:21
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raphinkhehe11:22
raphinkbarbarian ;)11:22
Kyralwhat?11:22
raphinkhow come you have ssh access on the comps of your campus?11:23
KyralWe have webspace11:23
raphinkok11:23
Kyralso to get in11:23
raphinkgood thing they give you ssh11:23
raphinkthey could have only given ftp11:23
Kyraland my firewall is configured to block SSH attempts from off-campus11:23
raphink;)11:23
raphinkic11:23
raphinkI let ssh in on my firewall11:23
raphinkotherwise I couldn't get access to my comp11:24
Kyralwell, now its configured to block SSH from anywhere except two computer labs11:24
raphinkand I need ssh11:24
asbinI think there's a dependepency problem in dapper with libssl0.9.7 ... is someone know about this ? I've tried to create a pbuilder chroot for dapper ... it doesn't work11:24
raphinkasbin: you mean you can't create a builder for dapper taht's it?11:24
KyralYou can't make a Dapper Pbuilder, you have to copy your Breezy one and upgrade that11:24
raphinkKyral: there's a pbuilder bug that was pointed to be yesterday (if I remember well)11:25
asbinraphink: yes, because libssl0.9.7 is not available anymore11:25
Kyralabout /etc/shadow?11:25
raphinkwher eit's explained what should be chaned in order to have pbuilder work11:25
raphinkwith dapper11:25
raphinkI can tell you where it is11:25
asbinit has been replaced by libssl0.9.8, but some packages still needs libsll0.9.711:25
KyralWelcome to life in a development version11:26
asbinok, is you had a link, it interests me ;)11:26
raphinkhere : http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pbuilder-maint/2005-November/000269.html11:26
raphinkit tells how to fix this bug11:27
raphink-    if [ -n "$SUTOUSER" ] ; then11:27
raphink+    if [ ! "$SUTOUSER" = "su "  ] ; then11:27
raphinkthat works ;)11:27
KyralI think I'm gonna throw ArchLinux on my laptop11:27
raphink:(11:28
Kyralraphink, I'm still gonna run Ubuntu on my main(this) box11:28
raphinkgood :)11:28
raphinkI haven't tried archlinux11:28
Kyraljust that my friends have been bugging me to try Arch and I have that PoS laying around11:28
raphinki'm not really interested in geek distros11:28
KyralDell Inspirion 110011:28
raphinkok11:29
KyralBesides my system as it is now is too tweaked :D11:29
raphinkasbin: did you find where to fix the bug?11:29
raphinkhaha11:29
raphinktell me about a screwed up sys !11:29
raphinkhaha11:29
KyralThat laptop is just gonna be used for taking notes in class and so I always have a Linux system to work on w/o relying on LiveCDs11:30
raphinkmhm11:31
KyralGonna put Fluxbox on it11:31
asbinI will try to create a breezy pbuilder chroot, and upgrade it to dapper, as Kyral said11:31
raphinkasbin: I tried that and it failed for me11:32
raphinkwhereas the fixing the bug in the script worked11:32
raphinkit takes 10 seconds ;)11:32
raphinkbut it's up to you11:32
KyralMan I forgot I was gonna nuke one of my HDs today11:33
LaserJockSo am I supposed to sign the key of the person who signed my key?11:33
KyralI need to completely erase the partition table11:33
raphinkLaserJock: during a keysigning party sure11:33
Kyralso now FDisk hinks its FAT32, its really an ext311:33
Kyraland somehow it still has its ReiserFS journal on it11:34
raphinkoh yeah tweaked indeed11:34
KyralAnd somehow it works just fine11:34
Kyralbut those journals are robbing me of like 5 GB11:35
\shmoins11:35
Kyralhey \sh11:35
crimsunmoin, \sh11:35
Kyralso I have to zero out the drive11:35
foampeaceok hi11:49
foampeacei put /usr/bin/gpg into thunderbird11:49
foampeaceraphink: what happens next11:49
foampeacehow do i send a signed email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de with thunderbird11:52
foampeaceif it says message will be signed is that enough for uploading?11:57
crimsunthat's a signed e-mail, yes.11:58
\shbrb11:59
raphinkfoampeace: sign your email12:02
raphinkit will ask you for the passphrase when sending12:02

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