[12:03] <sistpoty> args. it did... and then it failed. even stranger
[12:03] <sistpoty> this actually was a one line patch which had nothing to do with ghc6...
[12:03] <sistpoty> (only tail -n +2 instead of tail +2)
[12:05] <sistpoty> hm... since it does 2-phase bootstrapping, i guess a) ghc6 w. gcc4 can no longer rebuild itself or b) s.th. else changed and caused the fail
[12:05] <sistpoty> but i guess b) might be a little bit more likely *hope*
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[12:06] <slomo> a) would be really bad :/
[12:06] <sistpoty> slomo: do you have access to a 64bit arch?
[12:06] <slomo> amd64, yes
[12:06] <sistpoty> I have read some bugs about ghc6 + 64bit in general
[12:07] <sistpoty> slomo would you eventually try to rebuild ghc6 with newest dapper ghc6 there?
[12:07] <slomo> sure... tomorrow
[12:07] <slomo> oh wait
[12:07] <sistpoty> but only if you have enough time... it will take... hours! :)
[12:07] <slomo> now ;)
[12:07] <slomo> uh
[12:07] <slomo> tomorrow :P
[12:07] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:07] <sistpoty> cool, thx.
[12:07] <slomo> really hours?
[12:08] <sistpoty> yep... mom, I'll take a look how long the buildd took
[12:09] <sistpoty> slomo: buildd took 2:02h
[12:09] <slomo> ok
[12:09] <sistpoty> (amd64)
[12:10] <sistpoty> thx slomo
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[12:56] <raphink> hello :)
[12:56] <crimsun> hi
[12:57] <raphink> hi crimsun :)
[12:57] <crimsun> 2.6.12-9 is so much more usable than 2.6.15-3 :)
[12:58] <raphink> crimsun: I've got a pb with a package in which manpages won't install
[12:58] <raphink> would you help me with it?
[12:58] <crimsun> sure, what's up?
[12:58] <raphink> ok
[12:58] <raphink> i'll show you the debian/rules
[12:59] <raphink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4725
[12:59] <raphink> here it is
[12:59] <raphink> I just tried with two manpages so far
[12:59] <raphink> but none will install
[12:59] <crimsun> (sec, dapper pbuilder is updating)
[12:59] <raphink> ok :)
[01:05] <crimsun> ok, show me the dpkg-buildpackage run
[01:05] <raphink> ok wait a min
[01:06] <raphink> I'll run it
[01:06] <raphink> huh
[01:06] <raphink> it crashes
[01:07] <raphink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4726
[01:07] <raphink> debuild works
[01:07] <raphink> so i didn't try dpkg-buildpackage
[01:07] <raphink> crimsun: ^^
[01:07] <crimsun> the output from debuild, then
[01:08] <crimsun> (fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage ...)
[01:08] <raphink> entire one?
[01:08] <raphink> oh yeah fakeroot LOl
[01:08] <raphink> it's late ;)
[01:08] <raphink> hehe
[01:08] <raphink> you want the entire debuild output?
[01:09] <raphink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4727
[01:09] <raphink> there
[01:10] <raphink> lines 148 and 149 build the docbooks
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[01:11] <raphink> but it doesn't seem to install them
[01:15] <crimsun> where is docbook2x-man placing the generated man pages?
[01:15] <raphink> in debian i guess
[01:15] <crimsun> can you check?
[01:15] <raphink> the docbook files are there
[01:15] <raphink> well I clean them afterwards
[01:15] <raphink> so i can't really check
[01:16] <crimsun> after you run debuild?
[01:16] <raphink> hmm
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[01:16] <crimsun> note that your build:: extension is actually called after dh_clean -k
[01:17] <crimsun> (so it's called twice)
[01:17] <raphink> they're not in the sources after i run debuild
[01:17] <raphink> yes
[01:17] <raphink> so clean:: should be defined before build:: ?
[01:18] <crimsun> (that's not the issue)
[01:18] <crimsun> I'm just trying to locate your generated man pages
[01:19] <raphink> ok
[01:19] <raphink> they are in the root :(
[01:19] <raphink> not in debian/
[01:19] <raphink> that's weird
[01:20] <crimsun> :)
[01:20] <raphink> I mean
[01:20] <raphink> I have the same kind of code for knmap
[01:20] <raphink> and the docbooks don't end up in the root
[01:20] <raphink> :s
[01:21] <raphink> indeed if they are bult in the root it's obvious they won't be installed though
[01:22] <raphink> :(
[01:22] <crimsun> note also that those two generated man pages aren't being passed to dh_installman
[01:22] <raphink> well because they're not created in the right place I guess
[01:23] <crimsun> right
[01:24] <raphink> I'm trying to see where knmap creates the manpages from the docbook
[01:25] <raphink> well knmap also creates it in the root
[01:25] <raphink> so that's fine
[01:25] <raphink> it's not the pb
[01:26] <crimsun> but is the filename called knmap.1?
[01:26] <raphink> yes
[01:26] <crimsun> see, that's the difference
[01:26] <raphink> why?
[01:27] <crimsun> the two man pages that are generated don't match the package name
[01:27] <raphink> hmm
[01:27] <raphink> they are called kim_album.1 and kim_compress.1
[01:27] <raphink> maybe I can't put "_" in manpages names
[01:27] <crimsun> therefore you have to pass them explicitly: dh_installman -pkim kim_album.1 kim_compress.1
[01:27] <crimsun> sure you can
[01:28] <crimsun> (see apt_preferences)
[01:28] <raphink> hmm
[01:28] <raphink> so you mean its this that it wrong :
[01:28] <raphink> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim_album = kim_album.1
[01:28] <raphink> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim_compress = kim_compress.1
[01:28] <raphink> these lines don't work ?
[01:29] <crimsun> you have packages named kim_album and kim_compress?
[01:29] <crimsun> (which would be illegal anyhow, since _ is a delimiter for version)
[01:29] <raphink> not packages but binaries
[01:29] <raphink> I have 14 binaires in this package
[01:29] <raphink> so I need one package for each
[01:30] <crimsun> yes, that's wrong
[01:30] <crimsun> because you have no package called kim_album or kim_compress
[01:30] <raphink> oh ic
[01:30] <raphink> so how should I do that ?
[01:30] <raphink> so I can have one manpage for each binary in my package
[01:31] <crimsun> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.1
[01:31] <raphink> ok
[01:32] <raphink> with the : ?
[01:33] <crimsun> I would, but I don't think it matters
[01:33] <crimsun> (I'm not a cdbs guru)
[01:33] <raphink> ok
[01:33] <raphink> ;)
[01:33] <raphink> I'll try that
[01:33] <crimsun> (though it really has more to do with debhelper than cdbs)
[01:34] <raphink> hmm
[01:34] <raphink> let's see ;)
[01:35] <sistpoty> crimsun: may I beg you to upload a package for me?
[01:35] <crimsun> sistpoty: sure
[01:35] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/uploads/ <- nvtv (source already in the archives)
[01:35] <raphink> didn't work crimsun :(
[01:36] <raphink> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.1
[01:36] <raphink> shouldn't it be :
[01:36] <raphink> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES := kim_album.1 kim_compress.1
[01:36] <raphink> oosps sorry
[01:36] <raphink> DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_kim = kim_album.1 kim_compress.1
[01:37] <raphink> ?
[01:38] <raphink> yeah :)
[01:38] <raphink> it works
[01:38] <raphink> but not in man:/ in konqueror
[01:38] <raphink> only in console it seems
[01:39] <sistpoty> you can do man in konqueror? cool :)
[01:39] <crimsun> err, right, I omitted the _package
[01:39] <raphink> yep ;)
[01:39] <raphink> sistpoty: but not all mans, only the kde ones I think
[01:39] <crimsun> you could also have generated debian/manpages with kim_album.1 and kim_compress.1 as the contents
[01:39] <raphink> ic
[01:40] <raphink> haha I'm stupid
[01:40] <raphink> LOOOOOOOOOOOL
[01:40] <raphink> I'm sshed on my comp, i'm not home
[01:40] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:40] <raphink> so obviously when I installed the package to test it, I did it on my comp there
[01:40] <raphink> not here
[01:40] <raphink> so the man worked in console THERE
[01:40] <raphink> but not in the GUI HERE ;)
[01:40] <raphink> haha
[01:40] <raphink> doh
[01:41] <raphink> ok well so at least it works
[01:41] <raphink> now I'm not sure of the quality of my manpages :(
[01:41] <raphink> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4729
[01:41] <raphink> is this ^^ good enough for a manapge?
[01:42] <crimsun> (sec)
[01:42] <sistpoty> raphink: quite good... maybe you should explain the "quality" usage a little bit better
[01:43] <raphink> well i'm not the upstream author
[01:43] <raphink> so it's not easy for me
[01:43] <raphink> I have to decrypt each script to find out about options
[01:43] <sistpoty> raphink: as in kim_compress [ -quality  <quality> ]  (or s.th.)
[01:43] <raphink> hmmm
[01:44] <raphink> i'm not sure of the syntax in docbook to write that
[01:44] <crimsun> sistpoty: uploaded
[01:44] <sistpoty> crimsun: thx
[01:44] <crimsun> np
[01:44] <raphink> I used
[01:44] <raphink>   <refsynopsisdiv>
[01:44] <raphink>     <cmdsynopsis>
[01:44] <raphink>       <command>kim_compress</command>
[01:44] <raphink>       <arg choice="opt">
[01:44] <raphink>         <option>quality</option>
[01:45] <raphink>       </arg>
[01:45] <raphink>       <arg >image files</arg>
[01:45] <raphink>     </cmdsynopsis>
[01:45] <raphink>   </refsynopsisdiv>
[01:45] <raphink> not sure this is right
[01:45] <raphink> (sorry for the little flood)
[01:45] <raphink> image files are mandatory
[01:46] <raphink> but -quality is an option
[01:46] <raphink> mogrify -quality $QUALITY "$FILE"
[01:46] <sistpoty> raphink: sorry, haven't got really much experience with sgml... I'll try to find an example
[01:47] <raphink> ok
[01:47] <raphink> I can't find examples so it's not easy ;)
[01:47] <raphink> it's apity since all I need to do in this package still is manpages
[01:48] <sistpoty> raphink: perhaps <arg choice="opt"><option>quality<option><replaceable>n</replaceable>
[01:48] <raphink> hmm
[01:48] <sistpoty> i have no clue if this actually works... i just found it somewhere ;)
[01:48] <raphink> sistpoty: when it says :
[01:48] <raphink> FILE="";
[01:48] <raphink> QUALITY="$1";
[01:48] <raphink> DIR="$2";
[01:49] <raphink> how are these arguments taken ?
[01:49] <sistpoty> quality is first argument, dir second... unless there is s.th. like "shift" in it
[01:50] <raphink> doh I could look in the .desktop to find the answers ;)
[01:50] <raphink> kim_compress 80 %D
[01:50] <raphink> that's the kind of entries in teh .desktop files
[01:50] <raphink> or
[01:50] <raphink> kim_compress 80 %D
[01:50] <raphink> oops
[01:50] <raphink> it's
[01:50] <raphink> kim_compress 80 %D
[01:51] <raphink> hmm with % U in the end ;)
[01:51] <raphink> hehe
[01:51] <raphink> so I think it must be : kim_compress quality directory image_files
[01:52] <raphink> so it should be written
[01:52] <sistpoty> yep... seems so
[01:52] <raphink> kim_compress [quality]  [directory]  [image files]  ...
[01:52] <raphink> right?
[01:52] <raphink> just like lintian is :
[01:52] <raphink> lintian [action]  [options]  [packages]  ...
[01:53] <sistpoty> yep. seems good
[01:53] <raphink> :)
[01:56] <sistpoty> crimsun: did you try to upload ghc6? that's already there ;)
[01:57] <crimsun> sistpoty: yes, I punted whatever was in the directory
[01:57] <crimsun> sorry about the double upload
[01:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: np... katie rejected it
[01:57] <sistpoty> crimsun: maybe i should have been more clear ;)
[01:58] <crimsun> yeah, I've bombed two duplicates in the past day, argh
[01:58] <ajmitch> slomo_: liferea (0.9.7b+test1.0rc3-1ubuntu1) -- yay for ugly versioning ;)
[01:59] <sistpoty> hey ajmitch
[01:59] <ajmitch> hi
=== ajmitch thinks that people should just do 1.0rcX..
[01:59] <ajmitch> then 1.0rel when it's released :)
[02:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:00] <raphink> sistpoty: how about that ? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4732
[02:02] <sistpoty> raphink: looks good to me
[02:02] <raphink> ok :)
[02:02] <raphink> I'm gonna do them this way :)
[02:05] <raphink> :)
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[02:08] <raphink> sistpoty: since I'm going to have many docbooks
[02:09] <raphink> is it fine if I create a debian/man/ dir
[02:09] <raphink> and put them there so it's cleaner?
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[02:17] <sistpoty> raphink: that's up to you ;)
[02:17] <raphink> ok :)
[02:17] <sistpoty> raphink: as long as the created files are cleaned
[02:17] <raphink> of course ;)
[02:18] <raphink> i just dont' want debian/ to be overcrowded with manpages ;)
[02:18] <raphink> I think files should be easily found in it
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[02:24] <raphink> ooo I think I'll finish tomorrow ;)
[02:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:26] <raphink> heh ;)
[02:26] <raphink> 6 manpages done ...
[02:26] <raphink> 8 to go
[02:26] <sistpoty> raphink: i just took a look at toutf8 again
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[02:26] <sistpoty> raphink: there isn't anything arch-specific built, is there?
[02:26] <raphink> sistpoty: I uploaded it again since the dev produced a new version with german
[02:26] <raphink> nope sistpoty
[02:27] <raphink> it's just .desktop files
[02:27] <raphink> so only bin deps and that's it
[02:27] <raphink> why?
[02:27] <sistpoty> then it should be Architecture: all (instead of any)
[02:27] <raphink> oh ic
[02:27] <raphink> I'll correct it immediatly
[02:27] <sistpoty> :)
[02:28] <raphink> Now running lintian...
[02:28] <raphink> W: toutf8 source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[02:28] <raphink> since I put all
[02:28] <raphink> I mean Architecture : all
[02:28] <raphink> but I need cdbs to build ;)
[02:28] <raphink> is taht fine?
[02:29] <sistpoty> erm... no... there is some way to do it. but I don't know the cdbs way right now ;)
[02:29] <raphink> I mean obviously the binary doesnt' require a specific arch, but the build does since I use cdbs
[02:29] <ajmitch> Build-Depends-Indep
[02:29] <raphink> ajmitch: where do i put that?
[02:29] <ajmitch> instead of Build-Depends
[02:29] <sistpoty> thx ajmitch:
[02:29] <raphink> ok
[02:30] <raphink> thanks much ajmitch
[02:31] <raphink> sistpoty: just uploaded it again ;)
[02:31] <raphink> with Architecture:all and Build-Depends-Indep
[02:31] <sistpoty> he, have to wait ~4 mins ;) (cron runs every 5 mins to process incoming packages on revu)
[02:32] <raphink> ok
[02:32] <raphink> i've worked again on kio-sword and knmap
[02:32] <raphink> i think they should be fine by now
[02:33] <raphink> and kim is not ready since I have to finish all these manpages ;)
[02:33] <sistpoty> ok
[02:33] <raphink> :)
[02:33] <sistpoty> but I can't promise I'll review all of them today ;)
[02:34] <ajmitch> sigh, I think my ISP's transparent proxy is breaking things badly today
[02:34] <sistpoty> omg
[02:34] <raphink> ajmitch: :( sorry to hear that
[02:34] <ajmitch> lots of packages are failing to fetch, & it stops at the same place
[02:35] <raphink> sistpoty: I guess kim should also be Architecture:all since it's a collection of bash scripts ;)
[02:35] <sistpoty> raphink: yep
[02:35] <sistpoty> raphink: everything that doesn't get binary/arch-specific stuff built should be "all"
[02:35] <raphink> ok
[02:35] <raphink> :)
[02:37] <raphink> sistpoty: toutf8 is up now :)
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[02:41] <sistpoty> raphink: toutf8 advocated ;)
[02:41] <raphink> thanks sistpoty :)
[02:41] <sistpoty> thanks for your contribution, raphink
[02:41] <raphink> it's a pleasure :)
[02:41] <ajmitch> I guess I can't upload but I can still prepare stuff & still review ;)
[02:41] <raphink> I hope I can contribute more in the future :)
[02:42] <sistpoty> :)
[02:42] <crimsun> ajmitch: you can upload to universe, though?
[02:42] <ajmitch> crimsun: nope
[02:42] <crimsun> gah
[02:43] <ajmitch> raphink: perhaps toutf8 could be named better to indicate it's for konqueror?
[02:43] <raphink> hmm
[02:43] <raphink> well that's the name the dev gave to it
[02:43] <ajmitch> I know
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[02:43] <ajmitch> but we often rename things to fit with policy :)
[02:43] <raphink> if you search for konqueror, you'll find toutf8
[02:43] <raphink> ok
[02:44] <raphink> hmm
[02:44] <ajmitch> crimsun: since I had to replace my gpg key I can't do anything
[02:44] <raphink> konq-toutf8 ?
[02:45] <raphink> I'll see about that tomorow
[02:45] <ajmitch> if Riddell was around still you could check with him
[02:45] <raphink> it's too late now ;)
[02:45] <raphink> I'll ask Riddell tomorrow ;)
[02:45] <ajmitch> he'd know more than I would about KDE naming :)
[02:45] <sistpoty> for sure ;)
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[02:45] <raphink> now it's almost 3AM i need to sleep
[02:45] <sistpoty> gnight raphink
[02:45] <raphink> good night
[02:45] <raphink> :)
=== sistpoty still waits for his gf to return home
=== ajmitch waits for his sanity to return home
=== crimsun decides his sanity got lost in the mail
[02:47] <zul> damn postal office
[02:47] <ajmitch> I know I didn't leave it behind in canada, so I suspect I never took it with me in the first place
[02:49] <Riddell> hmm?
[02:49] <ajmitch> Riddell: you're up late
[02:50] <ajmitch> just a question about naming a small package for konqueror service menus
[02:50] <Riddell> ajmitch: I have flight-1 candidate CDs to test
[02:50] <Riddell> konq-toutf8 seems sensible to me
[02:50] <ajmitch> ok
[02:51] <ajmitch> lucky you, I hope it goes smoothly :)
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[03:59] <sistpoty> I'm off to bed now... gn8
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[05:07] <magnon> siretart: ping
[05:07] <magnon> might be a tad early :)
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[07:19] <LaserJock> MOTUScience folks check out the wiki, I added source package lists from lucas's program
[07:23] <minghua> LaserJock: nice list
=== minghua wonders why boot-floopies is in math section though
[07:24] <LaserJock> minghua: hmm, I haven't completely checked it out. I'm sure there are some bugs ;-)
[07:25] <LaserJock> I wanted a place where we can see what we have and especially the debian-ubuntu version comparison
[07:27] <minghua> Hmm, and tetex-bin and tetex-base is not in the TeX section list
[07:27] <LaserJock> they are in main I think
[07:28] <minghua> I see
[07:31] <LaserJock> I specifically wanted to just do universe
[07:31] <LaserJock> but it might be worth having another list for main, etc. so we can get a fuller picture
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[09:17] <zakame> hi all
[09:19] <crimsun> hi
[09:22] <zakame> heh, brownout here in my locality :(
[09:25] <zakame> can any motu please revu libmemcache? thanks in advance :)
[09:31] <Kmirno> Hello someone in USA ?
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[09:32] <Kmirno> Could someone in USA please wget http://tools.letsgozik.com/bigtest and tell me the ko/s rate ?
[09:32] <Kmirno> (don't need to d/l it fully, just need the rate)
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[09:50] <zakame> hmmm, does ubuntu have an equivalent of packages.qa.debian.org? or is this served by launchpad?
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[10:02] <minghua> Am I the only one getting "can't find /etc/shadow" error in pbuilder chroot?
[10:02] <crimsun> nope
[10:02] <minghua> zakame: Not that I'm aware of
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[10:03] <crimsun> minghua: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338976
[10:04] <crimsun> just needs to be merged
[10:05] <minghua> crimsun: thanks for the pointer
[10:05] <crimsun> ogra actually pointed it to me :)
[10:06] <minghua> crimsun: so the current work around is just login and touch /etc/passwd?
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[10:07] <minghua> how did you guys solve this problem?
[10:07] <minghua> Hmm, maybe I can just modify the pbuilder script myself
[10:07] <minghua> that would be dirty though...
[10:09] <crimsun> modifying it per Markus Kolb's 2-line patch is recommended until someone merges 0.139
[10:10] <minghua> crimsun: yeah, I figure that would be easier than other solutions
[10:10] <minghua> crimsun: thanks a lot :-)
[10:11] <crimsun> np
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[10:43] <minghua_> so dapper cleaned up /usr/X11R6/ completely?  Gah.
[10:43] <minghua_> seems I've got a tough package to merge, then
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[11:02] <sivang> mornig all
[11:02] <crimsun> hi
[11:07] <Gloubiboulga> Is there any way to clean a chroot ?
[11:08] <Kmirno> Gloubiboulga: rm -Rf is pretty good
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[11:08] <Gloubiboulga> Kmirno: sure :)
[11:09] <Gloubiboulga> but is there an other way ?
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[11:16] <minghua_> hardcoded /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ path is EVIL
[11:16] <crimsun> quite
[11:17] <minghua_> Gloubiboulga: for pbuilder there is an clean command, but it will clean your cache as well
[11:17] <minghua_> so I won't use it again :-(
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[11:22] <Gloubiboulga> so rm -Rf is the solution
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[11:25] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: some people are proposing using lvm, and working on snapshopts. that way you can recreate a clean chroot easily by doing the 'lvcreate -s /dev/vg00/chroots ... ' magic
[11:25] <zakame> hello all
[11:26] <Gloubiboulga> siretart: seems interesting
[11:26] <Gloubiboulga> I'll have a look at this
[11:27] <siretart> Gloubiboulga: it uses copy on write (cow) techniques. So i/o operations are very cheap
[11:29] <zakame> cow!
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[11:33] <asbin> hi everybody
[11:33] <asbin> I have some questions about how to make a new package for ubunutu ...
[11:33] <asbin> is it the right place ?
[11:34] <zakame> asbin: have you read DeveloperResources on the wiki? :)
[11:34] <asbin> yes I have read a lot of pages on the wiki, but I have not found all answers ;)
[11:35] <asbin> I am one of the developpers of GeeXboX, a multimedia player
[11:36] <zakame> asbin: ooh
[11:37] <asbin> and I maintain the deb. packages, so my questions are not about how to make a package, but how to put it in ubuntu (and/or Debian) repository
[11:39] <zakame> ah
[11:40] <asbin> I've also a package for ushare, a lightweight UPnP A/V Media Server, that we can use with geexbox (and others upnp clients..)
[11:41] <zakame> what's the url for this?
[11:41] <asbin> http://www.geexbox.org and http://ushare.geexbox.org
[11:42] <asbin> I've tried to upload ushare on REVU, but I was'nt in the database at this moment (now it's ok, but files are still on the server)
[11:46] <zakame> hmm, have you gotten your gpg key signed?
[11:47] <asbin> yes, and sent it by email ...
[11:47] <asbin> but I've upload the source/package on REVU to soon :(
[11:48] <minghua_> asbin: you should receive a reply about your key getting added to revu keyring
[11:49] <asbin> yes, i've received it ;)
[11:49] <siretart> asbin: are u talking about ushare?
[11:50] <asbin> yes
[11:50] <zakame> hmm, it's not there in revu... does it go by that name?
[11:50] <siretart> asbin: done
[11:51] <asbin> ok. thank you !
[11:51] <siretart> who uploaded ksplash-engine-moodin?
[11:51] <jpatrick> siretart: I did
[11:51] <asbin> should I upload source+package or just the package ?
[11:51] <siretart> jpatrick: please don't upload binary packages, we can only process sourceful uploads!
[11:51] <siretart> asbin: just the source
[11:52] <siretart> and please always with FULL source (i.e. with .orig.tar.gz)
[11:52] <jpatrick> siretart: sorry
[11:52] <asbin> ok ;)
[11:52] <zakame> there, i see ushare already
[11:53] <siretart> jpatrick: no problem. I just deleted your upload, because there was no source included
[11:53] <jpatrick> siretart: how do I stop the .deb from being uploaded?
[11:53] <siretart> sure, I just run process_uploads manually ;)
[11:53] <siretart> jpatrick: use `dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa`, just as instructed on the wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
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[11:54] <zakame> asbin: hmmm, your .diff.gz is just a diff on changelog?  where's the ./debian?
[11:56] <zakame> asbin: ah, it's in the .orig.tar.gz...
[11:56] <minghua_> if I made my own merge, I should change the "MoM" line from scott's page to the REVU page of my uploaded package, right?
[11:57] <asbin> yes, as I'm one of the maintainer, debian dir is on the arch repository
[11:58] <siretart> please rather dont use revu for merges for now
[11:58] <siretart> revu is not that suited for that kind of work, until we dont can see the debdiffs directly
[11:58] <zakame> asbin: is this debian-dir on a separate version/branch?
[11:58] <siretart> I'm working on that, but dont expect results too soon
[11:58] <zakame> minghua_: or a debdiff
[11:59] <jpatrick> siretart: so full command is: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -kSOMEKEY
[11:59] <mirak> minghua_: generally I find it a bit dumb to have all path hardcoded at compilation
[11:59] <siretart> jpatrick: yes, that would work
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=== jpatrick repackages
[12:01] <minghua_> siretart: ah, sorry, I won't use REVU next time
[12:01] <jpatrick> siretart: reuploading
[12:01] <minghua_> mirak: yeah, but in this case it's not that bad, everything are in a Make.dep file
[12:02] <siretart> minghua_: no need to sorry, we really appreciate your work
[12:02] <siretart> minghua_: I just don't think that revu will help to get your contribution processed quickly
[12:03] <asbin> Ok, great, and now that the package is on REVU, and when everything will be ok, what can I do to put it on ubuntu repository ?
[12:03] <zakame> indeed, there seems to be a backlog of NEW packages :(
[12:09] <jpatrick> siretart: I thought it had a *.orig.tar.gz
[12:10] <minghua_> the MOTOToMerge page says I need to get my name and email white-listed on dapper-changes, how can I do that?
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[12:15] <siretart> jpatrick: check the _source.changes file
[12:16] <siretart> minghua_: I think wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads explains the process
[12:16] <siretart> minghua_: feel free to set a link to that page
[12:17] <jpatrick> package is there: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=959
[12:24] <siretart> jpatrick: your package fails to build from source :(
[12:26] <zakame> siretart: after jpatrick's can you check libmemcache too? :)
[12:27] <jpatrick> siretart: I should of added ksplash to the control file for build-deps
[12:28] <minghua_> siretart: My understanding is that I need to apply as new maintainer, is that the only way to get my upload white-listed?
[12:29] <siretart> minghua_: no, you just need to ask elmo to get you added to the whitelist
[12:29] <siretart> minghua_: hint: *@ubuntu.com is autowhitelisted, so you 'just' need to become member ;)
[12:29] <minghua_> siretart: I see, so that's going to be upload@ubuntulinux.org for asking to be added, right?
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[12:30] <siretart> minghua_: I think so, yes
[12:30] <siretart> morning Fuddl!
[12:30] <Fuddl> hi siretart
[12:30] <minghua_> siretart: thanks, I'm going to do that next then
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[12:38] <jpatrick> siretart: reuploaded
[12:49] <minghua_> good night everyone
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[01:06] <SloMoSnail> ajmitch: but it's not my fault this time :P btw, new avahi :)
[01:27] <Lathiat> slomo, ajmitch: mmm i think the major change will be the new comapt libraries
[01:27] <Lathiat> we should look at some kind of extra extra package that makes the avahi-howl and avahi-bonjour compat libraries also install howl.pc/libdns-sd.so etc
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[02:11] <zakame> hi
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[02:29] <ctd> dear motu, i have found you a new image. http://data.4chan.org/b/src/1132402828160.jpg - love, ctd.
[02:30] <zakame> buwahaha
[02:31] <zakame> ctd: actually, that was what I had in mind when I first heard of motu :) thanks for reminding me :))
[02:31] <Lathiat> ctd: heh
[02:36] <zakame> hmmm, netatalk doesn't seem to build, build-deps not met as libdb4.2-dev removes heimdal-dev and kerberos4kth-dev, all of which build-depended on by netatalk :(
[02:36] <zakame> what should I do?
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[03:06] <zakame> eh?
[03:07] <zakame> siretart: did you pbuilt my libmemcache? if so, thanks :)
[03:07] <zakame> I saw its page in revu populated with the built debs
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[03:09] <zakame> hey pef :)
[03:09] <pef> hello
[03:09] <Gloubiboulga> hi pef
[03:11] <pef> Gloubiboulga: hi, I'm checking denemo
[03:12] <Gloubiboulga> thanks pef :)
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[03:13] <Gloubiboulga> is my package that bad pef  ? ;)
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[03:25] <pef> Gloubiboulga: I'm doing more thing in the same time :)
[03:25] <pef> things
[03:29] <slomo> zakame: standards version 3.6.2 is sufficient... 3.6.2.X are only versions with cosmetical changes ;)
[03:29] <zakame> slomo: yes, ajmitch told me that yesterday :)
[03:29] <pef> Gloubiboulga: updated
[03:29] <zakame> however, if I see 3.6.5, can I still update that to 3.6.2.1?
[03:29] <Gloubiboulga> ok pef
[03:30] <slomo> zakame: 3.6.1.5? sure... but if this is the only change you do don't do it...
[03:31] <zakame> slomo: ok... as for nss-mdns, that's true
[03:31] <slomo> zakame: no, you changed more than that... added avahi-daemon to recommends... so it's fine :)
[03:32] <zakame> actually its 3.6.1 , and for that pkg mdnsresponder doesn't seem to be in dapper anymore
[03:32] <slomo> zakame: wasn't even in breezy... we have avahi-daemon now
[03:32] <zakame> slomo: ooh, so you're looking at it now, thanks :)
[03:32] <zakame> ah ok :)
[03:32] <slomo> zakame: just a quick look over... when you send me a mail with all pending uploads by you i will process them later today or tomorrow :)
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[03:33] <zakame> slomo: ok, many many thanks :D
[03:34] <slomo> zakame: slomo@ubuntu.com
[03:34] <zakame> got it
[03:41] <Gloubiboulga> pef: new upload
[03:42] <pef> Gloubiboulga: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/denemo-0511190940/denemo_0.7.4-0ubuntu1.diff lilypond still here ?
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> hum...
[03:42] <Gloubiboulga> something went wrong...
[03:44] <zakame> slomo, pef: can you check libmemcache at REVU too? thanks :)
[03:45] <pef> zakame: sure
[03:46] <zakame> pef: thanks! :)
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[03:51] <Gloubiboulga> pef: LilyPond is dead ;)
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[03:52] <zakame> wb hunger
[03:52] <hunger> hi zakame.
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[03:53] <zakame> hey bmonty_laptop
[03:54] <bmonty_laptop> hi zakame
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[04:20] <zakame> good night all :D
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[05:13] <raphink> anyone can review my kim packages ? :)
[05:16] <raphink> please ;)
[05:16] <hunger> raphink: nope, I won't.
[05:16] <raphink> :( :(
[05:19] <slomo_> what is kim?
[05:20] <raphink> a set a servicemenu scripts for konqueror
[05:20] <raphink> to manage images
[05:20] <raphink> like convert, compress, rename, rotate, etc.
[05:21] <slomo_> hmm... i know nothing about kde but i can review it for everything else tomorrow
[05:22] <Kyral> slomo_, you made the cowbell package right?
[05:23] <slomo_> yes
[05:23] <Kyral> You know if an ebuild for Gentoo exists?
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[05:24] <Kyral> I showed it to a friend
[05:24] <Kyral> and he loves it, but he runs Gentoo :P
[05:24] <slomo_> no idea
[05:24] <slomo_> write one if there is none ;)
[05:25] <Kyral> I barely have a grasp of Debian Packages, how the heck am I supposed to learn how to make eBuilds?!
[05:26] <slomo_> ebuilds are easier imho
[05:26] <Kyral> But it would require me to install Gentoo :P
[05:26] <slomo_> yes
[05:26] <Kyral> unless there happen to be eBuild tools for Debian systems :P
[05:26] <slomo_> well, say him to compile it by hand or open a bug on their bts
[05:26] <Kyral> wait a second..VMWare released a their "player" for free right?
[05:28] <Kyral> so if I can make a VMWare image with our legit copy of VMWare in the labs, I can use the player on my computer and emulated Gentoo for these purposes
[05:30] <Kyral> ironic. As soon as my friends who use Linux found out I can make packages, they want me to make packages for them
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[05:30] <Kyral> Except almost none of them are Debian Packages
[05:30] <Kyral> ie, my friend wants me to make a Pacman package for Beagle so he can install it on ArchLinux
[05:33] <siretart> poor Kyral
[05:33] <siretart> ;)
[05:33] <Kyral> Its flatterring
[05:33] <Kyral> :D
[05:34] <Kyral> Oh are anyone's PBuilders broken as of late?
[05:34] <slomo_> shadow?
[05:34] <Kyral> yah
[05:34] <slomo_> pbuilder login --save-after-login
[05:34] <slomo_> touch /etc/shadow
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[05:34] <Kyral> cool thanks
[05:35] <slomo_> fixed it for me
[05:35] <Kyral> After Kenshin ;P
[05:36] <lfittl> slomo_: Maybe we could add that information to the PbuilderHowto wiki page?
[05:36] <Kyral> Should I add a note about multiple ones? At least the way I do it?
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[05:39] <Kyral> Has anyone seen the movie Revolution OS?
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[07:03] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=940 may be ready for upload
[07:04] <ompaul> Kyral, yes but that would be more a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic more for chats
[07:05] <ajmitch> +Copyright: 		2005
[07:05] <ajmitch> +        - Lethalman <lethalman88@gmail.com>
[07:05] <ajmitch> +        - Slash <immigrant@email.it>
[07:05] <ajmitch> got to love copyright statements like that ;)
[07:07] <ompaul> ajmitch, well depends on the software
[07:07] <ompaul> :-)
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[07:20] <pef> siretart: hello, can you please change my login email on REVU, loic@dev.erodia.net by loic@ubuntu.com ? thanks !
[07:31] <Riddell> do we only need two reviews for new MOTU packages now?  gwenrename is in ready to upload
[07:31] <ajmitch> yes
[07:32] <Riddell> when did that change?
[07:32] <slomo_> months ago ;)
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[07:48] <LaserJock> I don't suppose I could get a MOTU or 2 to review plotdrop?
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[08:05] <raphink> Riddell: changes applied and uploaded again :)
[08:05] <Riddell> raphink: to which?
[08:12] <raphink> Riddell: kio-sword :)
[08:12] <raphink> the one you reviewed just before ;)
[08:12] <Riddell> I have reviewed many packages today
[08:13] <raphink> :)
[08:13] <raphink> ok I had not seen the other reviews yet sorry
[08:13] <raphink> i'll work on the other ones soon
[08:23] <lfittl> siretart: ping
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[08:32] <pef> LaserJock: why not ? :)
[08:33] <LaserJock> pef: well, I know that you guys are busy so I don't want to be a pain
[08:33] <pef> LaserJock: I'm reviewing it
[08:33] <LaserJock> pefa: cool, it's my first package from scratch
[08:34] <lfittl> pef: If you have time, could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=970 too?
[08:35] <pef> will do the 2 reviews this evening :)
[08:36] <lfittl> :)
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[08:48] <raphink> Riddell: the dpkg-divert in kim is because some kim functions are redundant with other konqueror servicemenus included in konq-plugins. The original package used a mv to ~ at install and mv from ~ at deinstall. I chose to use dpkg-divert instead.
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[10:04] <foampeac1> hello
[10:04] <jpatrick> hi
[10:05] <foampeace> maybe im silly
[10:05] <foampeace> but i compiled this beep media player alarm
[10:05] <foampeace> its a deb in the breezy
[10:05] <foampeace> i just wondering about contributing it
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[10:06] <foampeace> i have the deb package
[10:06] <jpatrick> foampeace: do you have a GPG Key?
[10:06] <foampeace> jpatrick: i dont know what that is
[10:07] <jpatrick> GNU Privacy Guard Key
[10:07] <foampeace> ok
[10:08] <foampeace> i just found this source on the web and had to compile and thought it would go well with beep media playe like theone for xmms
[10:08] <foampeace> because beep seems to be more solid
[10:08] <foampeace> the beep media play alarm that is
[10:09] <foampeace> Whats a maintainer
[10:10] <jpatrick> foampeace: a Debian package builder
[10:10] <foampeace> oh and i just did this didnt i
[10:10] <foampeace> hehe :>
[10:12] <foampeace> are you a master of the universe?
[10:12] <jpatrick> foampeace: no
[10:13] <jpatrick> you have to run "gpg --gen-key" in the console
[10:14] <jpatrick> Make the key
[10:16] <foampeace> for what
[10:17] <jpatrick> so you can be added to the uploaders list of REVU
[10:18] <foampeace> Please select what kind of key you want: (1) DSA and Elgamal (default) (2) DSA (sign only) (5) RSA (sign only)
[10:18] <raphink> default foampeace
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[10:18] <raphink> foampeace: when you make yourself a key
[10:19] <raphink> try to launch a lot of programs
[10:19] <raphink> like music, video, 3D stuff
[10:19] <foampeace> im sorry?
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[10:19] <foampeace> raphink: you mean submit those?
[10:19] <raphink> nope foampeace
[10:20] <raphink> I mean run a lot of programs while creating your key, which is what y'oure doing now
[10:20] <raphink> to create a key, your computer has to generate random strings
[10:20] <jpatrick> helps the process
[10:20] <raphink> the more programs you run at the same time, the more random the strings will be
[10:20] <raphink> and the better the key will be
[10:20] <foampeace> heheh
[10:20] <foampeace> i dont understand
[10:20] <raphink> anyhow, if you don't run many programs, gpg might tell you to do so
[10:20] <raphink> well foampeace
[10:21] <raphink> do you know what a pgp key is?
[10:21] <foampeace> pgp or gpg?
[10:21] <tseng> gpg is an implementation of pgp
[10:21] <foampeace> no i dont but im searching for docs
[10:21] <raphink> gpg is an open source equivalent of pgp
[10:21] <raphink> well implementation yes tseng :)
[10:22] <raphink> foampeace: a pgp (or gpg) key is something that can identify you personaly
[10:22] <foampeace> im reading this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey?action=show&redirect=GetYourKeySigned
[10:22] <raphink> foampeace: with a pgp key, you can sign files or emails
[10:22] <tseng> uh oh
[10:22] <tseng> i think i wrote part of that
[10:22] <raphink> haha
[10:22] <raphink> ;)
[10:22] <tseng> you'd better stop while you're ahead
[10:23] <raphink> foampeace: when you create a key, you set a passphrase (or password) for it
[10:23] <raphink> so you are the only person able to use your key, since you're the only one knowing the password
[10:23] <raphink> your key contains informations on you
[10:23] <foampeace> i want to contribute...so i have to take baby steps here
[10:24] <raphink> yes foampeace
[10:24] <jpatrick> foampeace: it also creates a public key
[10:24] <raphink> foampeace: when you contribute by making packages
[10:24] <raphink> you have to have a pgp key
[10:24] <raphink> in order to sign your packages
[10:24] <raphink> so you can testify that you (and no one else) have been doing this work
[10:24] <foampeace> pgp or gpg key...doesnt matter?
[10:24] <raphink> foampeace: you'll use gpg to create a pgp key
[10:24] <raphink> ;)
[10:25] <foampeace> ok but i didnt creat the source for this i just made it into a deb
[10:25] <raphink> you need to sign your deb foampeace
[10:25] <raphink> so you need a key for that
[10:25] <foampeace> ok
[10:26] <foampeace> ill try
[10:26] <raphink> creating a key doesn't take much time
[10:26] <jpatrick> foampeace: and you need the key to upload to REVU
[10:26] <raphink> it's far easier than making packages ;)
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[10:27] <raphink> and you might need your key for many other things than just packaging
[10:27] <jpatrick> emails, files, etc
[10:28] <raphink> pgp keys are used to manage trust networks
[10:28] <raphink> with your key, you can sign other keys
[10:28] <foampeace> raphink: i the comment to be shown somewhere?
[10:28] <raphink> when you sign a key, you testify that you know for sure the holder of this key
[10:28] <raphink> don't put comments foampeace
[10:28] <raphink> your name will look like this :
[10:28] <jpatrick> I did
[10:29] <raphink> First Last (Comment)
[10:29] <raphink> so if yo uput a comment
[10:29] <raphink> you'll have to put it everywhere
[10:29] <raphink> otherwise you won't be able to sign with this id
[10:29] <raphink> ;)
[10:29] <foampeace> passphrase is a password?
[10:29] <raphink> yes foampeace
[10:30] <jpatrick> foampeace: don't tell it to anyone
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[10:34] <foampeace> ok i made it
[10:34] <raphink> good
[10:34] <raphink> now your key can be used for many things
[10:34] <raphink> you can for example sign your messages in your mail client
[10:34] <raphink> so people can be sure you are the writer and it's not spam
[10:35] <raphink> or you can encrypt messages so they can be read only by holders of another given key
[10:35] <jpatrick> foampeace: run gpg --list-keys to see it
[10:35] <raphink> etc.?
[10:35] <raphink> etc.
[10:35] <foampeace> jpatrick: i have to export the key?
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[10:35] <raphink> you can export it foampeace
[10:35] <Gloubi|To_Paris> good night
[10:36] <raphink> so people can find it on the internet
[10:36] <jpatrick> foampeace: there should be a 'pub' line
[10:36] <jpatrick> foampeace: like 'pub   1024D/F4944AEE'
[10:37] <foampeace> yes
[10:37] <jpatrick> the F4944AEE bit is what you want
[10:38] <jpatrick> run 'gpg -k keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys $YOURKEYID'
[10:38] <foampeace> first last name is my "user name" for export?
[10:40] <foampeace> so its $F4944AEE?
[10:40] <foampeace> but my own
[10:41] <foampeace> or without the $ dollar sign
[10:41] <raphink> you can tell this reference foampeace
[10:41] <raphink> it's no secret
[10:41] <raphink> this is your public key
[10:41] <raphink> so anyone can know it
[10:42] <raphink> and it's without the $ sign
[10:42] <raphink> jpatrick just used $YOURKEYID meaning that it's a variable to be replaced by your id
[10:42] <foampeace> ok i sent the key
[10:43] <raphink> good :)
[10:43] <foampeace>  Meet, verify your IDs and exchange fingerprints ?!
[10:44] <raphink> that's when you meet people
[10:44] <raphink> for keysigning parties
[10:44] <raphink> you'll have time to know about this ;)
[10:44] <jpatrick> night guys
[10:47] <foampeace> copy the content of public.key...whered this go
[10:47] <raphink> foampeace: in order to sign to the keyring to upload your package
[10:47] <raphink> you need to set your email client
[10:47] <raphink> that's the next step
[10:47] <raphink> so you can sign emails with your key
[10:48] <raphink> what email client are you using foampeace ?
[10:48] <foampeace> just web based email
[10:48] <foampeace> i need one?
[10:48] <raphink> that won't make it I'm afraid
[10:48] <foampeace> i can use one for this
[10:48] <raphink> I don't think you can sign emails with web interfaces
[10:49] <raphink> do you use gnome of kde ?
[10:49] <foampeace> ya i have sylpheed i can try that
[10:49] <raphink> I won't be able to help you with this. Dunno what it is
[10:49] <foampeace> know of another?
[10:49] <raphink> if you answer my question, sure ;)
[10:50] <raphink> are you using gnome or kde ?
[10:50] <foampeace> http://pgp.mit.edu/ is where i enter ######## ?
[10:50] <raphink> ??
[10:50] <foampeace> i use gnome
[10:51] <raphink> you could use evolution for ex
[10:51] <raphink> any gnome user here to support foampeace ? ;)
[10:51] <foampeace> ya i find it strange
[10:51] <foampeace> evolitions
[10:51] <raphink> I don't know many gnome-based clients
[10:51] <raphink> i don't use gnome
[10:51] <minghua> raphink: support for what?  finding a email client?
[10:51] <foampeace> sylpheed supposed to be good
[10:51] <raphink> minghua: foampeace just created a pgp key
[10:52] <minghua> raphink: sorry, that part I can't help, I use mutt myself
[10:52] <raphink> hehe ok
[10:52] <raphink> ;)
[10:52] <raphink> I could help with kmail
[10:52] <raphink> but i'm ignorant of gnome-based solutions
[10:52] <minghua> but gnome users should consider thunderbird
[10:52] <foampeace> can you explain what this means? #
[10:53] <foampeace> can you explain what this means? Copy the content of public.key:
[10:53] <foampeace> #
[10:53] <foampeace> Open [WWW]  http://pgp.mit.edu in a browser window.
[10:53] <raphink> good one, yes
[10:53] <raphink> what are you doing foampeace ?
[10:53] <raphink> why do you need that?
[10:53] <minghua> and I bet you can find thousands of articles about setting up gpg in thunderbird through google
[10:53] <raphink> yes minghua
[10:53] <raphink> pretty sure
[10:53] <foampeace>  Copy the content of public.key:
[10:53] <foampeace> paste to site
[10:54] <raphink> foampeace: where did you find that and why do you need to do that?
[10:54] <foampeace> raphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey?action=show&redirect=GetYourKeySigned
[10:54] <foampeace> topic is get your key signed
[10:54] <foampeace> i mean submit your key
[10:54] <foampeace> ok ill get thunderbird
[10:55] <raphink> you don't need to go to mit.edu for that
[10:56] <foampeace> raphink: ok i assume the line before that was the same thing? xport Your Key
[10:56] <foampeace> gpg --export -a "User Name" > public.key
[10:57] <raphink> you don't need taht foampeace
[10:57] <raphink> you're not going to a keysigning party
[10:57] <foampeace> Using GnuPG:
[10:57] <foampeace> gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <KEYID>
[10:57] <raphink> this you did already
[10:57] <raphink> you just need to set thunderbird now
[10:57] <raphink> that's it
[10:57] <foampeace> ya
[10:57] <foampeace> k
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[11:01] <foampeace> so i can contribute anything with this key beside packages?
[11:01] <LaserJock> how do I know if my key is in the strong set ?
[11:01] <Kyral> Keysigning parties are fun :D
[11:01] <Kyral> LaserJock you have to get it signed by one of the MOTUs I think
[11:01] <foampeace> Kyral: what are keysigning parties?
[11:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: only a MOTU?
[11:02] <Kyral> Like I think mine is b/c dholbach signed it
[11:02] <Kyral> LaserJock, or someone else in the Strong Set
[11:02] <raphink> LaserJock: check if you have a direct path to ogra for example
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[11:02] <Kyral> oyah dangit
[11:02] <Kyral> I gotta sign ogra's too
[11:03] <raphink> hehe
[11:03] <Kyral> we exchanged fingerprints at Ubuntu Love
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[11:03] <foampeace> fingerprints in person?
[11:03] <raphink> LaserJock: check with mine, i'm in the strongest : http://pgp.raphink.net
[11:03] <foampeace> :)
[11:03] <LaserJock> ok, well I had a key signed by someone that is listed in the strong set on biglumber.com but now it says that I am not in the strong set
[11:03] <Kyral> Yah you have to verify
[11:03] <Kyral> How do you check to see if its in the Strong Set anyway?
[11:04] <raphink> Kyral: by checking for a direct path to a person in the strong set
[11:04] <raphink> if I'm not wrong
[11:04] <Kyral> and dholbach is in the strong set right?
[11:04] <raphink> hmm dunno
[11:04] <raphink> ogra told me I am
[11:04] <raphink> so you can check with mine ;)
[11:06] <Kyral> Strong Set is for Main Uploading right?
[11:07] <raphink> I don't think so Kyral
[11:07] <raphink> (but i might be wrong)
[11:07] <raphink> Kyral: http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/plot/
[11:07] <Kyral> Hey ogra you still have my Fingerprint?
[11:07] <raphink> the strong set has nothing to do with distros i think
[11:08] <LaserJock> ok, but the person who signed my key is in the strong set but I'm not, how come?
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[11:08] <raphink> how do you know you're not in the strong set LaserJock ?
[11:09] <LaserJock> raphink: it says on biglumber and I can't get a path to your key
[11:09] <LaserJock> raphink: but I can get a path from him to you
[11:09] <raphink> did you go to my page and entered your ID LaserJock ?
[11:09] <LaserJock> raphink: yep
[11:09] <raphink> hmmm
[11:09] <raphink> what is it?
[11:09] <LaserJock> 92742B33
[11:10] <raphink> has your key been exported to the public servers?
[11:10] <raphink> I guess not
[11:10] <raphink> ;)
[11:10] <Kyral> linkage
[11:10] <Kyral> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?FROM=0F1A6639&TO=74BF771E&PATHS=trust+paths
[11:10] <LaserJock> raphink: it should be
[11:10] <Kyral> I forgot that Simon signed my key
[11:10] <LaserJock> raphink: it's on biglumber and mit
[11:10] <raphink> LaserJock: export it to a keyserver
[11:11] <LaserJock> raphink: export what? my key
[11:11] <raphink> Kyral: there's no worry about your key i think ;)
[11:11] <Kyral> Yah
[11:11] <raphink> yes LaserJock
[11:12] <raphink> export it to pgpkeys.mit.edu for example
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[11:13] <LaserJock> raphink: I'm already on there but I will do it again I guess
[11:13] <raphink> ok
[11:14] <Kyral> whats the command to sign a key so you can attach it to an email?
[11:14] <raphink> Kyral: you shouldn't sign keys without meeting the holder
[11:14] <Kyral> raphink, I did
[11:14] <raphink> taht's not good :p
[11:14] <Kyral> I just haven't had time to sign Ogra's key
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[11:15] <Kyral> raphink, I know all about the trust thing
[11:16] <Kyral> I'm just wondering if ogra is actually awake ;P
[11:16] <raphink> lol
[11:16] <raphink> well I guess you know the consequences of signing keys without being sure of the holder
[11:16] <raphink> ;)
[11:16] <Kyral> Deadmeat
[11:17] <raphink> loool
[11:17] <Kyral> I have his business card sitting right in front of me
[11:17] <raphink> ok
[11:17] <raphink> :)
[11:18] <Kyral> I'll hold off on sending the key out to the server until he's around
[11:20] <raphink> :)
[11:20] <Kyral> It was amusing at Ubuntu Love
[11:20] <raphink> what is taht?
[11:20] <Kyral> I had forgotten to print out my keyprints
[11:20] <Kyral> the first day of Ubuntu Below Zero
[11:21] <Kyral> so I had used one of my friend's laptops to SSH into a server on campus, then SSH from there into my box in my room. Then I copied the fingerprint, printed it out to a wireless LAN connected printer :P
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[11:22] <raphink> hehe
[11:22] <raphink> barbarian ;)
[11:22] <Kyral> what?
[11:23] <raphink> how come you have ssh access on the comps of your campus?
[11:23] <Kyral> We have webspace
[11:23] <raphink> ok
[11:23] <Kyral> so to get in
[11:23] <raphink> good thing they give you ssh
[11:23] <raphink> they could have only given ftp
[11:23] <Kyral> and my firewall is configured to block SSH attempts from off-campus
[11:23] <raphink> ;)
[11:23] <raphink> ic
[11:23] <raphink> I let ssh in on my firewall
[11:24] <raphink> otherwise I couldn't get access to my comp
[11:24] <Kyral> well, now its configured to block SSH from anywhere except two computer labs
[11:24] <raphink> and I need ssh
[11:24] <asbin> I think there's a dependepency problem in dapper with libssl0.9.7 ... is someone know about this ? I've tried to create a pbuilder chroot for dapper ... it doesn't work
[11:24] <raphink> asbin: you mean you can't create a builder for dapper taht's it?
[11:24] <Kyral> You can't make a Dapper Pbuilder, you have to copy your Breezy one and upgrade that
[11:25] <raphink> Kyral: there's a pbuilder bug that was pointed to be yesterday (if I remember well)
[11:25] <asbin> raphink: yes, because libssl0.9.7 is not available anymore
[11:25] <Kyral> about /etc/shadow?
[11:25] <raphink> wher eit's explained what should be chaned in order to have pbuilder work
[11:25] <raphink> with dapper
[11:25] <raphink> I can tell you where it is
[11:25] <asbin> it has been replaced by libssl0.9.8, but some packages still needs libsll0.9.7
[11:26] <Kyral> Welcome to life in a development version
[11:26] <asbin> ok, is you had a link, it interests me ;)
[11:26] <raphink> here : http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pbuilder-maint/2005-November/000269.html
[11:27] <raphink> it tells how to fix this bug
[11:27] <raphink> -    if [ -n "$SUTOUSER" ] ; then
[11:27] <raphink> +    if [ ! "$SUTOUSER" = "su "  ] ; then
[11:27] <raphink> that works ;)
[11:27] <Kyral> I think I'm gonna throw ArchLinux on my laptop
[11:28] <raphink> :(
[11:28] <Kyral> raphink, I'm still gonna run Ubuntu on my main(this) box
[11:28] <raphink> good :)
[11:28] <raphink> I haven't tried archlinux
[11:28] <Kyral> just that my friends have been bugging me to try Arch and I have that PoS laying around
[11:28] <raphink> i'm not really interested in geek distros
[11:28] <Kyral> Dell Inspirion 1100
[11:29] <raphink> ok
[11:29] <Kyral> Besides my system as it is now is too tweaked :D
[11:29] <raphink> asbin: did you find where to fix the bug?
[11:29] <raphink> haha
[11:29] <raphink> tell me about a screwed up sys !
[11:29] <raphink> haha
[11:30] <Kyral> That laptop is just gonna be used for taking notes in class and so I always have a Linux system to work on w/o relying on LiveCDs
[11:31] <raphink> mhm
[11:31] <Kyral> Gonna put Fluxbox on it
[11:31] <asbin> I will try to create a breezy pbuilder chroot, and upgrade it to dapper, as Kyral said
[11:32] <raphink> asbin: I tried that and it failed for me
[11:32] <raphink> whereas the fixing the bug in the script worked
[11:32] <raphink> it takes 10 seconds ;)
[11:32] <raphink> but it's up to you
[11:33] <Kyral> Man I forgot I was gonna nuke one of my HDs today
[11:33] <LaserJock> So am I supposed to sign the key of the person who signed my key?
[11:33] <Kyral> I need to completely erase the partition table
[11:33] <raphink> LaserJock: during a keysigning party sure
[11:33] <Kyral> so now FDisk hinks its FAT32, its really an ext3
[11:34] <Kyral> and somehow it still has its ReiserFS journal on it
[11:34] <raphink> oh yeah tweaked indeed
[11:34] <Kyral> And somehow it works just fine
[11:35] <Kyral> but those journals are robbing me of like 5 GB
[11:35] <\sh> moins
[11:35] <Kyral> hey \sh
[11:35] <crimsun> moin, \sh
[11:35] <Kyral> so I have to zero out the drive
[11:49] <foampeace> ok hi
[11:49] <foampeace> i put /usr/bin/gpg into thunderbird
[11:49] <foampeace> raphink: what happens next
[11:52] <foampeace> how do i send a signed email to keyring@tiber.tauware.de with thunderbird
[11:57] <foampeace> if it says message will be signed is that enough for uploading?
[11:58] <crimsun> that's a signed e-mail, yes.
[11:59] <\sh> brb
[12:02] <raphink> foampeace: sign your email
[12:02] <raphink> it will ask you for the passphrase when sending