[02:22] <mhz> hi
[02:24] <Burgundavia> salut mhz 
[02:24] <Burgundavia> mhz, I had something to say to you, but I forgot what it was
[02:24] <mhz> hi Burgundavia 
[02:24] <mhz> hehehehe
[02:25] <mhz> that happens a lot to you?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> not usually
[02:25] <mhz> about Wiki?
[02:26] <mhz> about Moin stuff?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> nope
[02:26] <mhz> about educational content packaging for APT?
[02:26] <Burgundavia> nope
[02:26] <mhz> about how clever I am?
[02:26] <mhz> :D
[02:27] <Burgundavia> sorry, but nope
[02:27] <mhz> about Edubuntu Chilean tour?
[02:27] <mhz> was at leas something good?
[02:27] <mhz> about Cd label and cs cover?
[02:28] <mhz> cd cover
[02:28] <Burgundavia> yes, that was it
[02:28] <Burgundavia> some of the wording on it
[02:28] <mhz> cool
[02:28] <mhz> shoot
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Breezy doesn't have X86 version any more
[02:30] <Burgundavia> it has "for your x86 PC"
[02:30] <Burgundavia> for your 64-bit pc
[02:30] <Burgundavia> and for your Apple
[02:30] <Burgundavia> not sure about the last one
[02:32] <mhz> hmmm, i dont follow
[02:32] <strusberg> Hi mhz
[02:32] <Burgundavia> the label for the version
[02:33] <Burgundavia> and the line on the back saying "This is a x86 version...."
[02:33] <mhz> strusberg: oh, hi pal
[02:34] <strusberg> I have a lot of thing to talk with you
[02:34] <strusberg> benining about edubuntu...
[02:34] <mhz> Burgundavia: so it should say..?
[02:34] <Burgundavia> "This version is for your PC"
[02:35] <mhz> strusberg: you can't imagine how much i wanted to go there
[02:35] <Burgundavia> and as above for amd64 and ppc
[02:35] <mhz> Burgundavia: ok, np. You wanna change it or me?
[02:35] <strusberg> we will have more oportunities
[02:35] <Burgundavia> you can do that
[02:36] <Burgundavia> I am doing my own dvd covers
[02:36] <mhz> strusberg: i hope so :)
[02:37] <mhz> Burgundavia: okidoki
[02:37] <mhz> strusberg: if i dont get there, how would you like we discuss about interesting stuff?
[02:37] <mhz> strusberg: IRC?
[02:38] <strusberg> mhz: We are looking to Videconference
[02:38] <mhz> videoconf coul work
[02:39] <mhz> what's the good average speed for it?
[02:39] <strusberg> mhz: We have anothers events next year
[02:39] <strusberg> mhz: June and October
[02:40] <mhz> well, that i may get
[02:40] <strusberg> mhz: However, we can work together from now.
[02:40] <mhz> strusberg: sure, we need it. It is the moment for L.A.
[03:54] <mhz> re
[03:54] <mhz> strusberg_: sorry
[03:54] <mhz> arkan0x: hey
[06:07] <DaBass> hello
[06:08] <DaBass> is there a way to netinstall edubuntu?
[06:08] <DaBass> have laptop with no cdrom only pcmcia ethernet
[06:26] <DaBass> anyone alive?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yes, I am alive
[06:41] <Burgundavia> netinstall might be possible
[06:41] <DaBass> how?
[06:41] <Burgundavia> there are docs on the wiki for doing a netinstall for ubuntu
[06:42] <Burgundavia> they might be valid
[06:43] <DaBass> i have a small slak instalation on that notebook right now would it be posible to instal from it 
[06:43] <DaBass> ?
[06:44] <DaBass> i am really a newbe (in insstallation specialy)
[06:44] <Burgundavia> no idea, sorry
[06:49] <DaBass> thanx for pointing me to wiki i found some useful documents 
[06:49] <DaBass> good night
[08:17] <DaBass> DarthTode r u still here?
[02:28] <UnIData> hi, i install edubunu but in the workstations the keyboard no function ok, the keys 2 and 4 are ok and the rest no, Why ?, thx in advanced
[02:39] <aeon17x> Er, can you rephrase that in clearer English?
[02:46] <UnIData> the key 3 and 4 work fine
[02:46] <UnIData> q,e,e,t,r, ,x,f,t,u,o , so dont wotk
[02:46] <UnIData> don't work
[02:48] <UnIData> please help !
[02:49] <UnIData> i install edubuntu 5.10
[03:10] <ogra> UnIData, what kind of keymap are you using ? 
[03:25] <Yagisan> G'day All
[03:26] <juliux> hi Yagisan 
[03:26] <Yagisan> ogra: My Wife sends her thanks for the topic message
[03:26] <Yagisan> how are you juliux ?
[03:28] <Yagisan> I'm exhausted, I've been playing "Mr Mum"
[03:28] <juliux> Yagisan, i am fine
[03:28] <juliux> Yagisan, and you?
[03:30] <Yagisan> not too bad, I'm hoping my wife will be discharged from hospital soon
[03:31] <Yagisan> have I missed anything interesting ? I had a preoccupied weekend :-D
[03:31] <juliux> ogra, we will print a german flyer about ubuntu, can you write a very very little text about edubuntu? perhabs something special for german
[03:32] <juliux> Yagisan, i don't know because i was on the linuxwordlexpo in frankfurt/germany
[03:32] <mhz> hi
[03:32] <juliux> hi mhz 
[03:32] <Yagisan> mhz!
[03:32] <mhz> hi mon
[03:32] <mhz> hi mons
[03:32] <juliux> mhz, i have make a cd cover in the right size
[03:33] <mhz> cool
[03:33] <mhz> can we see it?
[03:33] <Yagisan> mhz: topic  :-D:-D
[03:33] <mhz> ?
[03:33] <juliux> mhz, mom
[03:34] <Yagisan> mhz: | Yagisan has a boy !!
[03:34] <juliux> mhz, http://www.juliux.de/linux/edubuntucover.svg 
[03:34] <mhz> Yagisan: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!
[03:34] <juliux> mhz, i will make in the next days a s/w version
[03:34] <mhz> Yagisan: "there's a new boy in town"
[03:35] <Yagisan> mhz: yep - he looks like his maternal grandfather
[03:36] <mhz> is that good?
[03:36] <juliux> mhz, in a few years there is edubuntu tester
[03:36] <mhz> juliux: what's that?
[03:36] <juliux> mhz, what?
[03:36] <mhz> edubuntu tester?
[03:36] <Yagisan> mhz: well, maternal granddad is a lady killer, so that's a bug yes
[03:37] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:37] <Yagisan> *big
[03:37] <juliux> mhz, oh sorry a german word 
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: as lons as he doesnt look as his dad
[03:37] <mhz> long
[03:39] <Yagisan> juliux, edubuntu may need some more multilingual childrens apps for my kids to test
[03:39] <juliux> Yagisan, ok
[03:39] <Yagisan> juliux: as they need to be bi-lingual
[03:39] <juliux> Yagisan, hehe
[03:40] <Yagisan> when mum and dad are old and want to argue^Wtalk, the kids can translate :)
[03:40] <mhz> hehehe
[03:45] <mhz> juliux: it looks ok
[03:45] <UnIData> keymap = es
[03:46] <mhz> however, yesterday i was asked to change x86 for soemthing similar
[03:46] <UnIData> ogra, keymap= es
[03:46] <mhz> let me get the log
[03:46] <mhz> UnIData: what's the problem
[03:46] <mhz> Yagisan: still tired?
[03:47] <ogra> UnIData, did you see the wiki about LTSPKeymap ?
[03:47] <mhz> Yagisan: do you change diapers and prepare bottle?
[03:47] <ogra> hi all
[03:47] <ogra> juliux, can you mail it to me ?
[03:47] <mhz> ogra: hi Mr. Edubuntu
[03:47] <juliux> ogra, what should i email you?
[03:47] <Yagisan> mhz: yes. I'm very good at changing nappies, washing, drying, and feeding babies
[03:47] <juliux> ogra, at first moin
[03:47] <UnIData> mhz, just in the keyboard function 3 and 4 keys
[03:47] <ogra> in case someone is bored and wants to hack on something: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[03:47] <mhz> juliux: ogra shouldn't we wiki juliux cd cover?
[03:48] <mhz> ogra: hrhrhrhr
[03:48] <mhz> hhehehe
[03:48] <ogra> juliux, the text you have already, so i have some context to write the edubuntu paragraph ...
[03:48] <mhz> Yagisan: we are the new generation of men
[03:48] <Yagisan> ogra: like your mockup
[03:48] <Yagisan> mhz: my wife calls me "Mr Mum"
[03:49] <mhz> hehehe
[03:49] <ogra> i'm about to implement the dhcpd.conf handling :)
[03:49] <juliux> ogra, verein.ubuntu-de.org/material
[03:49] <mhz> ogra: it looks pretty neat
[03:49] <Yagisan> mhz: Just to take Kate to see mum at the hospital, I get the nappy change kit, feeding baby kit, and spare clothes kits all done
[03:50] <juliux> ogra, it is a this moment only the translation of the english flyer
[03:50] <mhz> Yagisan: I used to do the same. Incredibly, more women were attracted to me than when 
[03:50] <mhz> Yagisan: I used to do the same. Incredibly, more women were attracted to me than when I was single ! :(
[03:51] <ogra> juliux, that svg is pretty broken.... with which app was it made ? 
[03:51] <juliux> ogra, inkscape
[03:51] <ogra> hmm
[03:51] <juliux> ogra, and smurf isn't online today so we cann't get a new version
[03:51] <Yagisan> mhz: Oh yes! That's the beauty of it :) I love having the women interested in me
[03:52] <Yagisan> mhz: It makes my wife act like a rooster
[03:52] <ogra> i only see randomly aligned black boxes on a red backgrpound... and occasionally a ubuntu logo in there
[03:52] <juliux> ogra, we will have tomorrow a meeting about the flyer because we have to print it this week so we get it in essen
[03:52] <juliux> ogra, i will upload a version i have on my laptop
[03:52] <ogra> oki
[03:53] <mhz> Yagisan: yup, Unless you wanna have problems with your wife... It is good. In my case, it is terrible because temptation may rise :)
[03:53] <Yagisan> mhz: It's like hearing the Japanese version of "Hey @!&$%!, get away from my husband"
[03:53] <mhz> LOL
[03:54] <Yagisan> mhz: I can easily control myself, I did pick my wife for a reason - but if she thinks I'm tempted I get more attention
[03:54] <juliux> ogra, www.juliux.de/linux/ubuntuflyer.svg and ubuntuflyer2.svg
[03:54] <mhz> LOL
[03:54] <Yagisan> mhz: so I'm not going to let her know any time soon
[03:55] <mhz> clever
[03:56] <Yagisan> ogra: with opengl on X11 over ltsp, the opengl is rendered on the server (in software), and screen scrapes are sent to the clients right ?
[03:57] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <Yagisan> ogra: K, that explains why it was so unbearably slow
[03:58] <Yagisan> ogra: can that be changed ?
[03:58] <ogra> not in this release
[03:59] <Yagisan> ogra: I understand, but is it possible ?
[03:59] <ogra> no idea, i think you'll need local apps for this to render on the client
[03:59] <mhz> Yagisan: HOW WOULD YOU RENDER IT?
[03:59] <mhz> sorry caps
[04:00] <mhz> many thin clients has no HD
[04:00] <Yagisan> mhz: each client is running an X display, I thought if the X commands are then to the client, it could render it
[04:00] <juliux> ogra, i think we will have a tft for your thinclient in essen
[04:00] <Yagisan> mhz: *then sent to
[04:01] <ogra> juliux, cool, thanks for organizing
[04:02] <mhz> Yagisan: i can't picture it possible
[04:02] <juliux> ogra, np
[04:02] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm, I thought we could get a complete separation of where the app runs and what displays the graphics
[04:02] <juliux> ogra, only a keyboard and mouse you have to bring withyou
[04:02] <mhz> Yagisan: mybe if clients do have linux installed but run X via server
[04:02] <ogra> juliux, np
[04:03] <Yagisan> mhz: the clients boot up with a root on nfs, it runs X
[04:03] <ogra> Yagisan, i doubt that works ...
[04:04] <Yagisan> ogra: :'( but I want my p2 to concentrate on drawing the pretty pictures, and monitoring the keyboard and mouse
[04:05] <Yagisan> ogra: while my amd64 takes care of logic, ai, and everything else
[04:05] <juliux> ogra, and pls check in the next days www.linuxtag.org, it would be nice if you can send in a talk about edubuntu
[04:05] <ogra> it could be achievable with standard X forwarding... but i doubt that works with ssh
[04:06] <mhz> ogra: thx for explaining that in expert words :) (I did not find the way to do so)
[04:06] <Yagisan> ogra: but don't you do X forwarding over ssh ?
[04:07] <mhz> yes but not standard
[04:07] <mhz> Yagisan: this is Edubuntu way not LTSP standrd
[04:07] <mhz> afaik, LTSP standard does no use ssh
[04:09] <ogra> Yagisan, we do ... but i think thats only compressed image data
[04:09] <Yagisan> mhz: I know this is not vanilla LTSP, but I do have a legitimate use-case for wanting this
[04:09] <mhz> i imagine
[04:09] <mhz> i dont doubt
[04:10] <mhz> it is just that I dont think it is possible -not in the way we currently use it
[04:10] <mhz> and cant picture a valid way
[04:11] <mhz> hehehehe
[04:11] <mhz> well done!
[04:12] <juliux> btw i have arrange a little both for ubuntu/edubuntu on the cebit next year
[04:13] <juliux> so it would be nice if we have there a little flyer about edubuntu
[04:14] <juliux> has any body a little flyer about edubuntu?
[04:14] <mhz> we will
[04:14] <mhz> juliux: have you contacted Marketing team?
[04:14] <mhz> juliux: i am working on one
[04:14] <mhz> in spanish, thou
[04:14] <juliux> mhz, great
[04:14] <mhz> but i may translate it once is finished
[04:14] <mhz> and then wiki it, of course
[04:15] <juliux> mhz, if there is a english that is ok
[04:16] <mhz> yup
[04:17] <mhz> and Yagisan may work on the Japaneese version
[04:17] <juliux> mhz, do you have a link to the flyer?
[04:17] <mhz> and maybe you on a Plat version?
[04:17] <mhz> not yet
[04:18] <mhz> but it will be ready on tuesday
[04:18] <mhz> (unless my wife lets me work on them today aftert lunch)
[04:18] <juliux> mhz, ok
[04:18] <Yagisan> mhz: You would need to ask my wife for a  version. I'm still waiting for my website translations! (she doesn't have much free time)
[04:19] <juliux> mhz, still we have enough time to work on it
[04:19] <mhz> yup
[04:19] <mhz> but not me
[04:20] <mhz> I have a small stand at a Video seminar. I am helping www.cdsl.cl with spreading Freedom of access to IT
[04:20] <mhz> and next saturday, install fest
[04:20] <Yagisan> hmm, my googling indicates glx *should* do what I want
[04:21] <mhz> cool!
[04:21] <juliux> mhz, i got an email that my conference pack are send out
[04:21] <mhz> please do analize pros and cons and wiki it CCed
[04:21] <mhz> :)
[04:22] <mhz> juliux: I have not received any mail for the last 3 days.
[04:22] <mhz> So i have no expctations :(
[04:22] <juliux> ok
[04:22] <mhz> actuall, juliux I have not received any mail saying they have received my requests
[04:23] <juliux> mhz, do you have e-mailed jane slibs?
[04:26] <mhz> yup, twice
[04:26] <mhz> and someone else JaneW suggested
[04:26] <juliux> ok
[04:27] <mhz> well, I gotta get back to doing the cleaning
[04:27] <mhz> BBL
[04:44] <mhz_cleaning> juliux: d'u have a wiki page of yourself?
[04:44] <juliux> mhz_cleaning, hm not really
[04:44] <juliux> mhz_cleaning, i have on wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:45] <juliux> mhz_cleaning, i will work on my wiki site
[04:45] <mhz_cleaning> hehe. thx
[04:46] <mhz_cleaning> and people you evangelize will find usefull to read more about you
[04:46] <juliux> mhz_cleaning, i work on it
[04:56] <juliux> mhz_cleaning, check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JuliusBloch to see what i have done and will do
[04:58] <Yagisan> I need to get some rest - night all
[06:45] <juliux> ogra, i have a question about the schooltool, who can i access the tool?
[06:47] <ogra> juliux, http://ip-of-the-server:7080/ click login, username "manager", pass "schooltool"
[06:47] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[06:48] <ogra> ip-of-the-server can be localhost on ltsp servers
[06:48] <juliux> ogra, and i get from littlepaul a link to http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010
[06:48] <ogra> *sigh* 
[06:48] <ogra> i get it once a week...
[06:49] <littlepaul> juliux, ogra allready knows this link :) 
[06:49] <ogra> we cant support software written in gambas
[06:49] <ogra> :)
[06:49] <juliux> ogra, why?
[06:49] <ogra> and it does work only with tcp based X connections
[06:49] <juliux> ogra, ist gambas not free
[06:50] <ogra> juliux, because i wont be the one to bring gambas to main 
[06:50] <juliux> ogra, ah ok
[06:50] <ogra> and obody else will... 
[06:50] <ogra> *nobody
[06:50] <ogra> if it would be written for ssh based X i probably would think about it ...
[06:51] <ogra> but for now i put my hopes in getting people to help with student-control-panel
[06:52] <littlepaul> ogra, could we try this student-control-panel in essen?
[06:52] <ogra> surte
[06:52] <juliux> ogra, ok that i don't knwo
[06:52] <ogra> -t
[06:53] <juliux> ogra, in essen we will have a local mirror so we can install everything we want
[06:53] <ogra> littlepaul, there is also a bzr archive, in case you know someone who wants to contribute code http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[06:53] <juliux> ogra, you can ask some of the gnome people in germany
[06:54] <ogra> juliux, lets see how far i am with: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[06:54] <ogra> we could probably demo it
[06:54] <juliux> ogra, ok
[06:54] <juliux> ogra, in essen we also have to talk about my development
[06:55] <ogra> what do you want to develop ?
[06:55] <ogra> every line of code is appreciated :)
[06:55] <juliux> ogra, i don't know, you and \sh said that i should develop something
[06:55] <littlepaul> ogra, juliux is right the gnome people could help
[06:55] <ogra> littlepaul, sure
[06:56] <juliux> ogra, they want to do more for education
[06:56] <ogra> yay
[06:56] <juliux> ogra, for the start i want to do something little not do diffcult
[06:56] <juliux> difficult
[06:57] <juliux> ogra, what i want to do is to hack on the gdm or where ever so i can reset the home dir's
[06:58] <ogra> you mean ldm ?
[06:58] <juliux> yes it if it ldm i will do it there
[06:58] <juliux> ogra, but i need to reset the home dirs
[06:59] <ogra> ldmsupports custom commands for login in dapper, just create a package with a script, that sets the custom command and installs it in the chroot ...
[06:59] <ogra> make this script reset the homedir ...
[06:59] <littlepaul> are there any specs for student-control-panel? I didn't found anything about this tool
[07:00] <juliux> ogra, i think that i must reset if you log out and not if you log in
[07:00] <ogra> littlepaul, working name is TeachersPet 
[07:00] <ogra> juliux, sure ... why should the position where you put the script in the wrapper be a problem ...
[07:01] <juliux> ogra, there is no problem
[07:01] <ogra> in any case you need to wrap /etc/X11/XSession 
[07:01] <ogra> you can call your script before or after this in the wrapper
[07:01] <juliux> ogra, ok i will try to make it over chrismas
[07:47] <\sh> ah development of edubuntu :)
[07:50] <juliux> \sh, right
[08:21] <juliux> ogra, do you have time to develop something else?
[08:33] <arkan0x> mhz_cleaning, 
[08:33] <arkan0x> mhz_cleaning, ! 
[08:33] <arkan0x> mhz_cleaning, ping 
[08:51] <mhz_cleaning> re
[08:51] <juliux> hi mhz_cleaning 
[08:51] <mhz> hehe
[08:52] <mhz> juliux: is it me or you have not slept in a big while
[08:52] <mhz> ogra: are you awake?
[08:53] <juliux> mhz, what does you mean?
[08:53] <juliux> mhz, here it is now 21:00
[08:53] <mhz> juliux: oooh
[08:53] <mhz> I thought it was later
[08:53] <juliux> mhz, no we have here utc +1
[08:56] <mhz> ogra: ping?
[08:57] <arkan0x> mhz, ping !
[08:57] <mhz> arkan0x: yohoo
[09:05] <mhz> juliux: are un the process of becomming part of the community?
[09:05] <mhz> un = you in 
[09:06] <juliux> mhz, yes i will try it on the next meeting
[09:06] <mhz> cool!
[09:06] <juliux> mhz, i don't know if it is engough i have done 
[09:06] <mhz> it feels good to know well commited people
[09:06] <mhz> did you edit your launchpad? GPG key and all?
[09:07] <juliux> mhz, yes of course
[09:07] <mhz> ok
[09:07] <juliux> mhz, i have uploaded my gpg key, the signed coc
[09:07] <mhz> cool
[09:08] <juliux> and i have updated my wiki site
[09:08] <mhz> i saw
[09:08] <mhz> indeed
[09:08] <juliux> mhz, what i have also to do?
[09:09] <mhz> wait
[09:09] <juliux> ok
[09:09] <mhz> :D
[09:09] <mhz> i am also waiting
[09:09] <mhz> tuesday, isnt' it?
[09:09] <juliux> yes
[09:09] <juliux> and i will be there
[09:10] <mhz> mee to
[09:10] <mhz> mee I still can't understand why I missed previous meeting
[09:10] <juliux> i see
[09:11] <mhz> I had no idea there wwas a meeting then
[09:11] <mhz> hey... Oktoberfest!
[09:11] <mhz> isnt that tomorrow?
[09:11] <juliux> no Tuesday
[09:12] <juliux> 22.11
[09:12] <juliux> today is 20.11
[09:12] <mhz> ooh
[09:12] <juliux> here it is 20.11
[09:12] <mhz> here is 20th too
[09:12] <juliux> ok
[09:15] <juliux> mhz, i hope i have made engough to become a member
[09:16] <mhz> i don't know the prisma they use to evaluate
[09:16] <mhz> I hope i am doing well so far, too
[09:17] <juliux> hehe
[09:29] <ogra> juliux, not really
[09:29] <ogra> mhz, pong
[09:29] <mhz> ogra: there is a www.ubuntu.cl here
[09:29] <mhz> but
[09:30] <mhz> I have never head of them collaborating in # irc
[09:30] <mhz> mainly, they have a LUG
[09:30] <juliux> ogra, do you know somebody who can develop a image on a thinclient which auth with a smartcard and than opens a session from an server in the internet?
[09:30] <mhz> and once in a while, they do something
[09:30] <mhz> ogra: however, it is just forum stuff
[09:32] <mhz> ogra: will it be positive or negative for my Communtiy approval on ML and LoCo team? 
[09:32] <ogra> juliux, smartcard auth is on my list for dapper+1, thats very non-trivial, you want a good programmer for this who has execllent knowledge about ubuntu LTSP and smartcards
[09:32] <juliux> ogra, he will paid the development and he didn't will wait until dapper+1
[09:32] <juliux> ogra, and he will not use ltsp
[09:32] <mhz> oh
[09:32] <juliux> ogra, the guy ist thomas uhl
[09:33] <ogra> juliux, how does he want to authentiacte a thin client without using a ltsp server ? 
[09:33] <juliux> ogra, no idea
[09:33] <ogra> thin clients have no disks
[09:33] <juliux> ogra, he will make a flashimage on the thinclients
[09:33] <ogra> they need a server to boot and for the root filesys
[09:33] <juliux> ogra, yes and this server will be in the internet
[09:33] <ogra> so he wants half thick clients ...
[09:34] <juliux> yes
[09:34] <juliux> he will use this for schools
[09:34] <ogra> nice ...
[09:35] <ogra> but sadly i'm swamped with work ... no chance 
[09:35] <juliux> ogra, ok
[09:35] <ogra> even it would be a very intresting project
[09:35] <juliux> it was only an idea because i don't know someonelse
[09:35] <juliux> ogra, it will be opensource
[09:41] <mhz> juliux or free as in freedom?
[09:41] <mhz> :)
[09:41] <juliux> free
[09:41] <mhz> cool
[09:41] <mhz> and betta
[09:41] <juliux> he develop every thing under the gpl
[09:41] <mhz> ogra: so? will that be better or worse for my intentions?
[09:42] <ogra> try getting in contact with them...
[09:42] <ogra> the council will aks if you know each other
[09:42] <juliux> ogra, i hope that we get some thinclients form thomas uhl
[09:44] <ogra> do i need to know him ? since you mention his name this often ? 
[09:44] <juliux> ogra, he is a german mark
[09:45] <ogra> hmm...
[09:45] <juliux> ogra, not so much money but engough money
[09:46] <juliux> ogra, but the problem is that he said very much but if you want something from him you have to remember him very often to do it
[09:49] <mhz> juliux: that happens every where
[09:50] <juliux> mhz, i know
[09:51] <mhz> ogra: I am trying to get one of their emails. they are located in a different region, thou
[09:52] <mhz> actually, they have not participated in the Install Fests here in Santiago (capital)
[09:52] <mhz> I guess they do well where they lie
[09:52] <mhz> live
[09:53] <mhz> and of course the idea is to work all together
[10:49] <mhz> re
[10:50] <mhz> I had a power failure
[10:50] <mhz> strusberg: hey mon
[10:50] <mhz> boo
[10:50] <mhz> strusberg: hey mon
[10:51] <strusberg> Hi
[10:51] <mhz> how's it going
[10:51] <mhz> how's it goingI have good news
[10:51] <mhz> I have good news
[10:51] <strusberg> mhz: About Edubuntu-Venezuela?
[10:52] <mhz> one of the TV channels have contacted me to show Ubuntu an Edubuntu on TV
[10:52] <mhz> nope
[10:52] <mhz> Actually, I am bit dissapointed with the person who is "helping" me
[10:52] <strusberg> mhz:Good news!!
[10:52] <mhz> She got an email from me on Wednesday
[10:53] <strusberg> mhz: Umm? why?
[10:53] <mhz> On thursday i called her and she told me that she had handed all to the embajador
[10:53] <mhz> and on friday, I got email from her asking me to fax (my email) to the embaasador
[10:54] <mhz> I really can't understand these slow/non-clever procedure
[10:54] <mhz> why fax an email?
[10:55] <mhz> strusberg_: it's like me asking you to fax me cuaima code
[10:55] <mhz> :D
[10:55] <mhz> anyways, I'll have to fax it first thing on monday
[10:55] <mhz> however, they do not have budget for that, AFAIK
[10:56] <strusberg_> mhz: Fax, About forum invitation?
[10:56] <mhz> fax the exact mail you got from me
[10:56] <mhz> the one I explain why i need to get to venezuela
[10:56] <strusberg_> mhz: Sure give me your fax number and your credit card to fax you the code :-D
[10:57] <mhz> ehhehehe
[10:57] <mhz> exactly
[10:57] <mhz> simply nonsense
[10:57] <mhz> or ignorance about simple modern procedure
[10:58] <mhz> boo
[10:59] <strusberg_> mhz: Tell me about TV interview
[10:59] <mhz> it is a tv show for teens
[10:59] <mhz> on the 3rd most popular channel
[11:00] <mhz> I have to prepare a demo for it, and we'll set a date
[11:00] <mhz> as I said in my email... IT IS THE TIME for Freedom!
[11:01] <mhz> there's huge interests on both sides
[11:01] <mhz> (propietary and free tech.)
[11:01] <mhz> and there's more conciousness
[11:01] <mhz> not much
[11:01] <mhz> but definately more than a year ago
[11:02] <mhz> so it is time to become a bit more agressive
[11:02] <mhz> on evagelisation
[11:02] <strusberg_> mhz: About Freedom, check this link http://www.bozzetto.com/freedom.htm
[11:02] <mhz> There is much conciousness on the need to improve education
[11:03] <mhz> and there are more people accepting the fact that we gotta do someting
[11:04] <mhz> WOW!!!!!!!!
[11:04] <mhz> pretty cool!
[11:04] <mhz> unfortunately in Flash, IIRC
[11:04] <mhz> Flash is still not free
[11:04] <strusberg_> mhz: Yes. :-(
[11:05] <mhz> I am getting info to desing a plan to evangelise young school students to participate in Freedom
[11:06] <mhz> 1st idea is to offer them prizes for contributions
[11:06] <mhz> on Graphic artwork
[11:06] <mhz> made with free IT
[11:06] <mhz> of course
[11:06] <mhz> also, offerthem semi scholarships for IT training
[11:07] <mhz> and their artwork will be published in our CD labels
[11:07] <mhz> and cd covers
[11:08] <mhz> so this TV show may be the kick off
[11:13] <strusberg_> mhz:Do you have ready any course about graphics design using free tools (i.e. Gimp)?
[11:13] <mhz> nope
[11:13] <mhz> but i know there must be at leat one out there
[11:13] <mhz> least
[11:17] <strusberg_> Now, I am working in one Python programming course for teens. I used GVR (Guido van Robot)
[11:18] <strusberg_> and some original material.
[11:19] <strusberg_> The goal was game programming.
[11:19] <strusberg_> using pygame.
[11:23] <mhz> strusberg_: i insist.. we should work side by side every day :D
[11:23] <mhz> strusberg_: you said you created an account on TC wiki?
[11:24] <strusberg_> mhz: Yes.
[11:24] <mhz> can you login and see ItLaGroup?
[11:24] <strusberg_> mzh: Let me check...
[11:26] <mhz> I am working on ACL now
[11:26] <strusberg_> mhz: I have not perms to view that page
[11:26] <mhz> boo
[11:26] <mhz> can you gimme your NameLastName
[11:27] <strusberg_> mhz: RicardoStrusberg
[11:27] <mhz> duh!
[11:28] <mhz> can you view http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/ItLa/talk ?
[11:29] <mhz> only Admin can see *Group pages :) , sorry
[11:29] <strusberg_> Nope :-(
[11:29] <mhz> ???
[11:29] <mhz> hmmmm
[11:30] <strusberg_> mhz: Are you using ACLs in Moin?
[11:30] <mhz> yup
[11:31] <mhz> spam was killing us
[11:31] <mhz> so we decided ACL
[11:31] <mhz> and Groups
[11:31] <strusberg_> It is ok. Now this is a common problem in wikis websites...
[11:32] <mhz> indeed
[11:32] <mhz> RicardoStrusberg is ok,right
[11:34] <strusberg_> mhz: Are you give me view rights?
[11:34] <mhz> #acl ItLaGroup:read,write All:
[11:35] <strusberg_> mhz:because is not working yet.
[11:35] <mhz> and you are listed in ItLaGroup
[11:35] <mhz> hmm
[11:35] <mhz> maybe cache?
[11:35] <mhz> let me clean it
[11:36] <mhz> or can you provide me with a foolish password for your user so I can try
[11:37] <mhz> hmmmm
[11:37] <mhz> are you sure the user exist?
[11:37] <strusberg_> mhz: Ok.. now my very very secret password, only for your eyes ...: edubuntu :-)
[11:37] <mhz> hehehehehehehe
[11:42] <mhz> hmmm
[11:42] <mhz> TC guys can see it and only 2 are admins
[11:42] <mhz> interesting
[11:42] <mhz> it was not a cahce problem either
[11:42] <mhz> cache
[11:45] <strusberg_> Somebody working in the  Ubuntu Engineer Certification program?
[11:47] <mhz> not me yet
[11:50] <strusberg> mhz:Sorry, I have some problems with my WiFi conection :-(
[11:51] <mhz> np
[11:51] <mhz> what are you trying to email me?
[11:51] <mhz> send me?