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| HiddenWolf | any server admin here? | 12:09 |
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| HiddenWolf | GPG error on nl.archive.ubuntu.com | 12:09 |
| HiddenWolf | W: GPG error: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv | 12:09 |
| HiddenWolf | W: GPG error: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv | 12:10 |
| Znarl | HiddenWolf : Only recently? | 12:12 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, yes | 12:12 |
| crimsun | wait 30 minutes and retry | 12:13 |
| HiddenWolf | crimsun, what changed? | 12:13 |
| crimsun | more than likely, it's syncing | 12:13 |
| crimsun | dunno about 'breezy' | 12:14 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, isn't it still a redirect to archive.u.c? | 12:14 |
| Znarl | nl has recently changed to a mirror. | 12:16 |
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| Brunellus | stupid question. how do I send a bug report using the bug reporting tool? it seems to want to use sendmail; how can I tell it to send the mail through my SMTP server? | 12:23 |
| Znarl | HiddenWolf : OK, I've pointed nl back at the master archive site. | 12:26 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, I didn't ask you to, was just alerting you to that error. :) | 12:27 |
| Znarl | HiddenWolf : Ok, I'll change it back. | 12:34 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, I didn't ask you to do that either. :) | 12:36 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, do what is right. I have no clue what's causing this. | 12:36 |
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| Znarl | HiddenWolf : Bug me again if it continues to happen in an hour, ok? | 12:37 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, nog gonna happen. It's 12:30 at night. | 12:39 |
| HiddenWolf | Znarl, I'm tucking in. | 12:39 |
| HiddenWolf | g/t | 12:39 |
| HiddenWolf | Night all. | 12:40 |
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| psusi | anyone know why aio_read is creating another thread instead of telling the kernel to do the IO asynchronously like it should? | 01:18 |
| crimsun | how do you know that kernel thread isn't doing it? | 01:22 |
| psusi | because when I step over the aio_read call in gdb it says a thread was created | 01:22 |
| crimsun | oh, you're not doing kdb stuff? | 01:23 |
| psusi | nope... I'm trying to patch dd to use aio to keep the pipeline full when doing copies with O_DIRECT | 01:24 |
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| crimsun | you might want to ask in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net, then. | 01:24 |
| psusi | hrm.... that's a channel for newbie kernel hackers? | 01:25 |
| crimsun | the channel is misleading. | 01:25 |
| crimsun | channel _name_ | 01:25 |
| psusi | hrm.... thanks | 01:25 |
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| psusi | hrm.. if I install the debug libc package... how can I direct a program under gdb to use it instead of the stripped one? | 01:42 |
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| ispiked | psusi: it should automatically be able to load the symbols. at least with my experience that's how it's worked. | 01:52 |
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| beezly | umm, i think i accidentally uploaded a package to upload.ubuntu.com earlier - that shouldn't upset anything/anyone should it? | 02:19 |
| crimsun | no | 02:19 |
| crimsun | it'll just be rejected silently unless your key is in the uploader keyring | 02:20 |
| beezly | excellent :) - although the world is going to miss out on my crappy remote apt util! (no great loss I assure you!) | 02:20 |
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| psusi | when I do a tags-search in emacs, it finds things with that text even in comments... is there a way to limit it to things names of functions? | 03:59 |
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| Burgundavia | how did the osnews thread on Flight 1 devolve to images of Trolltech shafting KDE? | 04:17 |
| crimsun | every thread on osnews degenerates </offtopic> | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | sad, just sad | 04:18 |
| zakame | huhu | 04:19 |
| Lathiat | hahaha | 04:19 |
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| Burgundavia | ok this one cracks me up the most | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=12721&comment_id=62436 | 04:20 |
| Burgundavia | freedesktop.org is a giant Trolltech conspiracy. I knew it! | 04:20 |
| Lathiat | bahahah | 04:21 |
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| desrt | man | 04:41 |
| desrt | i don't understand why people take screenshots of dapper | 04:41 |
| desrt | it's like "wow it looks exactly like the screenshots for breezy awesome!" | 04:41 |
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| wasabi | wonder if there is a way to make all toolbars use small icons | 04:47 |
| wasabi | oops wrong window | 04:48 |
| wasabi | woh | 04:57 |
| wasabi | my ibook just woke up. | 04:57 |
| wasabi | i let it fall asleep on accedent, and it just woke | 04:57 |
| wasabi | it's never done that in linux before | 04:57 |
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| Burgundavia | why does everybody and their dog write a media player? Are there not enough in the world alrady? | 05:05 |
| wasabi | So I was just thinking. Samba sucks. | 05:06 |
| wasabi | I mean, by default. | 05:06 |
| wasabi | WIsh: by default you should be able to install it and it should function just like a WIndows box. | 05:07 |
| wasabi | Should auto hook into pam, auto generate smbpasswd, make sure it's in sync with /etc/passwd. | 05:07 |
| wasabi | No shares enabled by default, of course, but the basic config should be in place. | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | then produce the patches to do that | 05:08 |
| wasabi | Thinking about it. :0 | 05:08 |
| mpt | Burgundavia, there are no good ones, which motivates many people enough to write another one, but not enough to write a good one :-) | 05:09 |
| Burgundavia | mpt, yes | 05:10 |
| Burgundavia | the reality with media players is that no perfect one exists to satisfy all people | 05:10 |
| jbailey | wasabi: The password synchronisation is a bitch. I don't think CIFS tosses passwords around in the same format shadow stores them in. | 05:15 |
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| jbailey | wasabi: The right solution is Keberos on every machine. =) | 05:15 |
| wasabi | No, you're right, It doesn't. | 05:16 |
| wasabi | It's not possible to fix perfectly. | 05:16 |
| wasabi | But a default samba install should at least inform the user to change his Ubuntu password to activate his Windows access, and automatically set up PAM to do so. | 05:17 |
| wasabi | Basically it should assure he doesn't have to maintain two passwords. | 05:17 |
| jbailey | Synchronisation is teh suck. | 05:17 |
| wasabi | No way around it, it doesn't use the same hash format. | 05:18 |
| wasabi | and it's one way. | 05:18 |
| wasabi | For an office, yeah, Kerberos should be used. | 05:18 |
| wasabi | For a home? Probably not. | 05:18 |
| jbailey | Right, thus my assertion that Kerberos by default everywhere. =) | 05:18 |
| wasabi | You tell MS that. | 05:18 |
| jbailey | AD uses Kerberos internally. | 05:19 |
| wasabi | AD doesn't run on my mom's computer. | 05:19 |
| jbailey | I don't know what MS does for single sign on in home networks, though. | 05:19 |
| wasabi | They don't. | 05:19 |
| wasabi | They just pass hashes. | 05:19 |
| wasabi | And then prompt if it's wrong. | 05:19 |
| Burgundavia | or they let you in without a password | 05:20 |
| wasabi | Only on 9*. ;) | 05:20 |
| wasabi | Or if you enable guest. | 05:20 |
| jbailey | But we *could* do it on home Ubuntu networks. Opportunistically trust other machines on the local network when someone with root privs says "trust that machine" | 05:20 |
| jbailey | And use that as an opporutnity to send principals back and forth. | 05:20 |
| wasabi | But we "don't need to." | 05:20 |
| Burgundavia | wasabi, you cannot disable guest on XP Home machiens | 05:20 |
| wasabi | =) | 05:20 |
| wasabi | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/goingsolo.mspx | 05:21 |
| jbailey | wasabi: Sure we do. I find it annoying that I can't trivially just browse the files on the machines in my network without setting up an account, etc. | 05:21 |
| wasabi | I agree. We can work on that. ;) | 05:21 |
| wasabi | But for the purposes of getting my dad sharing files with Ubuntu in 2 months. | 05:21 |
| wasabi | Hehe. | 05:21 |
| jbailey | Dude, anything like you're thinking of is unlikely to be dapper material. | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | jbailey, is there a sane fix to the browse problem? | 05:22 |
| jbailey | Having samba suddenly twiddle pam is a bit of an invasive change. | 05:22 |
| wasabi | I agree. It would need to be thought out better than what I just blurted out on IRC. ;) | 05:22 |
| wasabi | Maybe a samba-workgroup-config package or something. | 05:23 |
| wasabi | Anyways, I want it to be easy for Mortals. | 05:23 |
| jbailey | Burgundavia: I haven't though it through, but I'm imagining something like a directory. When you install the machine it could zeroconf or whatever and say "look, there's a network here. Trust it?" And then ask for a password to attach to the other machines or something like that. | 05:23 |
| wasabi | Having some sort of better pluggable PAM infrastructure would be useful though. | 05:23 |
| wasabi | I am so tired of hand editing these things. | 05:24 |
| jbailey | Similar to registering a windows or netware machine into their respective security setups. | 05:24 |
| jbailey | The ideal bit would be somehow making it version changes to the authentication database so you didn't need a single server. | 05:24 |
| wasabi | jbailey: I like that idea... but it raises a lot of questions. ;) | 05:24 |
| jbailey | Good. Any idea worth having should. =) | 05:24 |
| wasabi | In a home I still see each computer of more of an untrusting island. | 05:25 |
| wasabi | Where any trust between them is always initiated with sceptism, etc. | 05:25 |
| wasabi | People bringing in comps for a lan party, peopel driving by, people with work PCs | 05:25 |
| jbailey | Right. Have to assume this whole network has real ipv4 addresses and is sitting on the public 'net | 05:26 |
| wasabi | Each system having it's own user base, and then, on first auth, attempting to "link" two accounts between systems. | 05:26 |
| wasabi | First time you browse to a PC, it asks you for the user name on that PC, which you type in, and then it asks you if you want to "link" these names, or something. | 05:26 |
| wasabi | Basically just shares some token. | 05:27 |
| wasabi | Would let you bring in a work PC, link it to a home PCs local account, for the purposes of local PC access. | 05:27 |
| wasabi | Obviously it would have no meaning on the work network. | 05:27 |
| wasabi | But isn't this just like remembering passwords? :) | 05:27 |
| jbailey | Right, but that machine should understand that there are multiple contexts. tie that in with network manager or something. | 05:27 |
| wasabi | Or the entire idea could just be snipped in the butt, remember passwords, but offer to update changed passwords on other systems. | 05:28 |
| jbailey | The problems I want to solve are: 1) If I have files on my wife's machines, I should be able to get them. 2) If my wife has a file on her machine that she wants me to have, I should be able to get it without emailing it through our mail server 6000 km away | 05:29 |
| wasabi | Why can't you just create an account on your wifes PC? | 05:29 |
| wasabi | And access that file through that account from yours? | 05:29 |
| jbailey | I could, but then I have to remember the password for it. | 05:29 |
| wasabi | That's basically all we're talking about. | 05:29 |
| jbailey | And that I created it. | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | wasabi, too much overhead | 05:29 |
| wasabi | No you don't. | 05:29 |
| wasabi | You'd have to remember that password just as much as you'd have to remember some mythical token we just talked about. | 05:29 |
| wasabi | For any system to function you have to a) create a security token on each system involved and store with it information that the other system knows. | 05:30 |
| jbailey | It's almost like I want a zeroconf AFS. =) | 05:30 |
| wasabi | Creating a user with a password fulfils that. | 05:30 |
| wasabi | Perhaps it just needs a better interface. | 05:31 |
| wasabi | Perhaps, for instance, the first time you try to access a machine with smb:// that doesn't have a remembered password, you are asked to a) auth or b) create a new remote account | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | but that means you need to root account on that box | 05:32 |
| wasabi | Yup. | 05:32 |
| wasabi | Obviouslyl. | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | because I sure has hell don't want somebody random creating accounts on my box | 05:32 |
| wasabi | Exactly. | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | that is way too much overhead | 05:32 |
| wasabi | You don't want that in any system. | 05:32 |
| wasabi | What? | 05:32 |
| wasabi | Who else do you propose a system to allow access? | 05:32 |
| wasabi | AI? | 05:32 |
| wasabi | At some point a human has to step in and say Bob is allowed to access these files. | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | how does OS X handle filesharing in a windows network? | 05:34 |
| wasabi | By default, like we do. | 05:35 |
| wasabi | Prompts for password. Password gets saved. | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | can you see shares by default | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 05:35 |
| wasabi | To share, it uses samba, but preconfigures it to allow local users access. | 05:35 |
| wasabi | And does track password changes. | 05:35 |
| wasabi | Doesn't share any shares by default. | 05:35 |
| wasabi | But once you turn it on, you can browse (nothing) | 05:35 |
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| wasabi | actually maybe Home is shared | 05:36 |
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| mahangu | im just downloading the first dapper image | 05:56 |
| mahangu | how can I get on the testing team? | 05:56 |
| Burgundavia | mahangu, the laptop testing team? | 06:01 |
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| Burgundavia | minghu1, did you mean the laptop testing team? | 06:08 |
| wasabi | jbailey: don't suppose you know much about kerberos eh? You talk about it a lot. ;) | 06:09 |
| wasabi | I've got a horrid problem I'm trying to debug. | 06:09 |
| minghu1 | Burgundavia: You probably need to ask whoever you intended to ask again. Sorry for the nick collision :-) | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | minghu1, ah, ok | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | for some reason I read your two nicks as the same | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | the mind is funny sometimes | 06:12 |
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| Kinnison | night all | 06:15 |
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| mahangu | hi, did anyone see what I wrote before? | 06:19 |
| mahangu | (I don't wanna ask again, sorry got d/c) | 06:20 |
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| Burgundavia | mahangu, did you want to join the laptop testing team? | 06:41 |
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| mahangu_ | Burgundavia, yeah, i run ubuntu on a thinkpad t42 | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | mahangu, ok, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam should get you started | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | the key thing is that you test EVERY feature of the laptop and file bugs for everything that doesn't work | 06:43 |
| Burgundavia | also install all Flight cds so feedback can come during the development cycle | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | there is also a laptop-testing list that you should probably subscribe to | 06:44 |
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| mahangu_ | Burgundavia, ill do that | 06:53 |
| mahangu_ | :) | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | mahangu, thanks | 06:54 |
| mahangu_ | Burgundavia, for running the devel images | 07:03 |
| mahangu_ | i probably shouldn't use my primary work laptop, correct? | 07:03 |
| Burgundavia | mahangu_, you can dual boot | 07:04 |
| mahangu_ | Burgundavia, yeah that's true | 07:08 |
| mahangu_ | it means ill have to resize the partition im currently running breezy on though | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | not hard, the installer can do it | 07:09 |
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| mahangu_ | Burgundavia, really? without messing my data? | 07:14 |
| mahangu_ | i was told to boot xp and use partition magic | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:14 |
| Burgundavia | no to the second part | 07:15 |
| === ajmitch will have to try & rejoin the laptop testing team soon ;) | ||
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, you getting another one from canonical | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | not that I've heard | 07:16 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | I'd be quite surprised if I did | 07:16 |
| ajmitch | I've been checking out what to replace it with | 07:17 |
| mahangu_ | ajmitch, you borked your lappy? | 07:17 |
| ajmitch | no, it was stolen | 07:17 |
| mahangu_ | whoa | 07:17 |
| mahangu_ | :S | 07:17 |
| mahangu_ | from where? | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | from UBZ, at the hotel | 07:18 |
| mahangu_ | UBZ> | 07:18 |
| mahangu_ | ? | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | UbuntuBelowZero, the developer summit we just had | 07:18 |
| mahangu_ | ah | 07:19 |
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| zakame | hi all! :D | 07:56 |
| zakame | just to make sure, but is build-depending on libgamin-dev preferable to build-depending on libfam-dev? | 07:56 |
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| Burgundavia | bon soir, neuralis | 10:00 |
| neuralis | Burgundavia, g'day, sir | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | have you started in on the server testing framework yet? | 10:02 |
| neuralis | Burgundavia, nope, the specs are in mdz's queue | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:02 |
| neuralis | Burgundavia, i want to make sure he's happy with them, after which i'll also mail laptop-list re: using the backend for laptops | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | excellent | 10:03 |
| neuralis | Burgundavia, and i've mailed malc re: laptop certification, without response so far | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | have you spoken with mjg59 regarding what specifically he needs from the reports? | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | and if you have, is that recorded somewhere? | 10:04 |
| neuralis | no -- i want to address any concerns mdz has *first*, and then fan out and talk to the rest of the people | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:05 |
| neuralis | no worries, it's on my list, it'll get done | 10:06 |
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| mojo85 | I suggest the 'Add Application' app and 'Sumit Hardware' app should use icons of the new naming scheme (Tango project) | 10:22 |
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| pef | hello | 10:37 |
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| MagnusR | mag runes | 10:47 |
| MagnusR | foobar | 10:47 |
| MagnusR | Wrong window, sorry! | 10:47 |
| neuralis | JaneW, we need to make ubuntu plushies. cute, stuffed animals that i can give to people. anything in the works? :) | 10:48 |
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| Lathiat | neuralis: we could have little plush dragons ;) | 10:56 |
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| neuralis | Lathiat, +1. but i'd settle for a duck, if it were dapper enough. | 10:58 |
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| \sh | infinity / lamont-away: could one of you two check where the last upload of armagetron is hiding? latest uploaded version is 0.2.7.0-1.1ubuntu1 and it didn't appear in the buildlogs | 01:20 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync dnprogs from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok | 01:46 |
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| jbailey | wasabi: I've done two smallish kerberos deployments (about a dozen servers in each one. One with about a hundred users, one with three users and a whole bunch of service principals) | 01:48 |
| jbailey | wasabi: I have to Oreilly Kerberos book here if you have specific questions. | 01:48 |
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| ptlo | neuralis_ hi :) | 03:11 |
| neuralis_ | ptlo, hey | 03:12 |
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| slomo_ | BenC: the ppc kernel build failure didn't disappear with the new binutils :( | 03:50 |
| BenC | slomo_: assuming I can keep kernel-package updated to the latest ppc/powerpc changes, it will build in -4.4 | 03:51 |
| BenC | I disabled HMT and NUMA for ppc64 to get that building | 03:51 |
| slomo_ | BenC: ok, thanks... when can we expect -4.4? | 03:51 |
| BenC | tomorrow | 03:52 |
| BenC | -rc2 was tagged today, so seems like a good time (ppc64->powerpc merge is done now too, so it helps a lot) | 03:52 |
| slomo_ | hehe, maybe i can finally try the newest bcm43xx driver then ;) seems like they made great progress in the last days | 03:53 |
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| HiddenWolf | BenC, anything cool in -4.4? | 03:58 |
| BenC | hiddenwolf: devmem patch from fedora, enabled ACPI_BLACKLIST=2000, should build on sparc and ia64 now | 03:59 |
| BenC | lots of little changes aswell | 03:59 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, sparc and ia64 are on the road to being officially supported? | 04:00 |
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| BenC | no idea, but I know that fabbione is pushing to get sparc to be a first class citizen | 04:01 |
| fabbione | HiddenWolf: not yet no | 04:01 |
| HiddenWolf | I'm amazed that interest for IA64 is so consistent. | 04:01 |
| fabbione | there is nobody other than lamont giving love to ia64 | 04:01 |
| fabbione | HiddenWolf: who is asking for it? | 04:03 |
| HiddenWolf | fabbione, ah, no. not specifically. | 04:04 |
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| fabbione | BenC: i am getting an ia64 soon | 04:04 |
| HiddenWolf | fabbione, but afaik IA64 isn't called itanic for no reason. :) | 04:04 |
| fabbione | HiddenWolf: you mean Titanic? | 04:04 |
| fabbione | ;) | 04:04 |
| BenC | with all the support behind x86-64, I don't think ia64 is viable anymore | 04:04 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, anandtech had an article on why IA64 was the most promising architecture, beating Sparc and PPC and X86. | 04:06 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, that was on technical merit tho, not viability. | 04:06 |
| BenC | hidden: it's a marketing failure though | 04:06 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, Both a marketing and a sales failure, really. | 04:06 |
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| fabbione | HiddenWolf: well.. sparc is still used a lot more compared to ia64 | 04:07 |
| BenC | sparc64 would be a lot better if 64-bit code actually ran decent compared to 32-bit code | 04:08 |
| BenC | as it is, 64-bit is reserved for when you have to have that much addressing | 04:08 |
| BenC | otherwise it's a performance hit | 04:08 |
| HiddenWolf | fabbione, anand's point was more: It'll scale better to future performance. | 04:10 |
| fabbione | HiddenWolf: sounds like they did send a lot of ia64 to these people writing the review | 04:12 |
| BenC | fabbione: uploading new kernel-package now | 04:12 |
| fabbione | BenC: cool | 04:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: is it going to build on sparc? | 04:13 |
| fabbione | ah meh | 04:13 |
| fabbione | never mind | 04:13 |
| doko | nice, dapper_probs lists the whole archive as uninstallable | 04:13 |
| HiddenWolf | doko, why?! | 04:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: i read "new kernel source" | 04:13 |
| fabbione | HiddenWolf: ia64 is taking over archive.ubuntu.com! | 04:14 |
| HiddenWolf | fabbione, cool. :P | 04:14 |
| fabbione | impressive | 04:14 |
| fabbione | out of 6 arches | 04:14 |
| doko | HiddenWolf: tell me | 04:14 |
| fabbione | sparc is the one that can still install more than all the others :D | 04:14 |
| BenC | fabbione: have you tried compiling -4 on sparc yet? | 04:15 |
| fabbione | BenC: no | 04:15 |
| BenC | I should hook up my e3k in here just temporarily tonight | 04:15 |
| fabbione | i did let the buildd catch up | 04:15 |
| HiddenWolf | doko, have you upped OOo2 final to Dapper yet? | 04:16 |
| doko | HiddenWolf: go for it if you want ;-P | 04:17 |
| HiddenWolf | doko, ehm... | 04:18 |
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| Kamion | doko: uninstallables> please rebuild python against openssl 0.9.8 | 04:25 |
| Kamion | python2.4 that is | 04:25 |
| doko | ahh, ok ... | 04:25 |
| Kamion | we need to get openssl097 into the archive though, so that this isn't so destructive | 04:25 |
| Kamion | elmo: should openssl097 still be listed as broken? | 04:26 |
| Kamion | elmo: I think probably not - if you could remove it from josie's broken list and do an auto-sync, the uninstallables list would appreciate it :-) | 04:27 |
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| Kamion | elmo: in fact it probably won't autosync because it's modified - I'll merge | 04:35 |
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| Kamion | doko: ok, I've uploaded a merged openssl097; the world should look somewhat better once that makes it into the archive | 04:43 |
| Kamion | we should still get rid of libssl0.9.7 linkage where possible | 04:43 |
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| BenC | it's bad when you have to get a dolly to move a computer from one side of the room to the other | 04:48 |
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| mahangu | BenC, eh? | 04:49 |
| ogra | BenC, thats not bad ... bad is if you have to get a team *and* a dolly to move it | 04:50 |
| mahangu | if I have a development idea (which i have half implemented), who can I talk to? | 04:51 |
| BenC | worst ever for me was that the dolly wasn't strong enough to hold the computer | 04:51 |
| BenC | took six people, and the computer was never actually lift off the ground, we had to lean it into a trailer to transport it | 04:51 |
| HiddenWolf | mahangu, just talk here. :) | 04:52 |
| mahangu | ok | 04:52 |
| mahangu | well, i haven't written a primer or anything | 04:52 |
| mahangu | but im working on this live support system for distros | 04:52 |
| mahangu | basically, i noticed that many new users dont know how to get on IRC | 04:52 |
| BenC | mahangu: you must pass the six tests of Ubuntu, and climb to the highest peak in Africa :) | 04:52 |
| mahangu | so I figured, why not write a nice front end for it? | 04:52 |
| mahangu | im new to perl and linux, but i did a hack job, and got a working prototype | 04:53 |
| doko | Kamion: uploaded python2.4 as well to link against 0.9.8 | 04:53 |
| mahangu | it's basically a bot that interfaces between a thin GTK client and a support channel | 04:53 |
| Kamion | mahangu: the biggest problem with that sort of thing is generally setting up an appropriate support channel; #ubuntu is too busy and basically inappropriate for that sort of thing | 04:54 |
| mahangu | GTK client connects to IRC network --> spews data in channel (this is basically username, contact email and help request) | 04:54 |
| mahangu | Kamion, I'm aware of that :) just getting there | 04:54 |
| Kamion | doko: thanks | 04:54 |
| mahangu | so basically, there will have to be a seperate channel for it | 04:54 |
| mahangu | like #distroname-support | 04:54 |
| mahangu | so far, the folks at Taprobane (www.taprobane.org) , a local GNU / Linux distro seem to like the idea | 04:54 |
| mahangu | and im working on it | 04:54 |
| mahangu | i havent implemented a client yet | 04:55 |
| mahangu | but the bot so far | 04:55 |
| mahangu | 1) scans the support channel for activity | 04:55 |
| mahangu | if there is activity, channels request there | 04:55 |
| mahangu | 2) if no activity sends to support-mailing-list | 04:55 |
| mahangu | any thoughts? | 04:55 |
| mahangu | i was just thinking while handing out Ubuntu CDs the other day that none of the people I was giving them to would even know what IRC was | 04:56 |
| Kamion | I'm wondering if it's complementary to https://launchpad.net/support, or if the two fill basically the same use case | 04:56 |
| mahangu | so their support was minimal | 04:56 |
| Kamion | well, let's say https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets, better URL | 04:57 |
| mahangu | Kamion, yeah, id say it'l work really well with that | 04:57 |
| mahangu | again, i have some pretty sparse code on the Taprobane CVS | 04:57 |
| mahangu | anyone think it's worth a shot? | 04:57 |
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| mahangu | im not really an experienced coder, and have never been to CS school | 04:58 |
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| mahangu | but im quick to learn and am willing to dedicate a big portion of my time to see this through | 04:58 |
| Kamion | my main concern is that IRC is actually kind of a poor medium for real customer support | 04:58 |
| Kamion | are you sure you want to use it as the backend? | 04:59 |
| mahangu | Kamion, isn't it a stable means of communication? rather than doing all that handshaking on our own? | 04:59 |
| Kamion | it's very vulnerable to noise, inappropriate comments, etc. | 04:59 |
| mahangu | Kamion, yes | 04:59 |
| mahangu | i have a solution (I think) | 04:59 |
| Kamion | and you have to sit online for ever to get a response, which is pretty awkward if you have a pay-for line | 04:59 |
| mahangu | Kamion, yeah that's why it sends unanswered requests to the mailing list | 05:00 |
| mahangu | the client will tell the user | 05:00 |
| Kamion | it's better if responses can come back to you asynchronously and you can log in to find if somebody's answered | 05:00 |
| mahangu | "Sorry looks like no one is aorund, I've sent your request to the mailing lit" | 05:00 |
| mahangu | Kamion, hmm, that would be neat | 05:00 |
| Kamion | why not just do everything through a mailing list then? it's confusing to have two means of communication | 05:00 |
| mahangu | Kamion, oh right | 05:01 |
| mahangu | so a mailing list front end | 05:01 |
| mahangu | that's a lot of text manip though | 05:01 |
| Kamion | or, as I say, the Launchpad support tracker - you have the asynchronous communication there | 05:01 |
| mahangu | stripping mail signatures etc? | 05:01 |
| mahangu | Kamion, that is web based, right? | 05:01 |
| Kamion | and if you talked to the folks on #launchpad they might be able to expose an XML-RPC interface for you | 05:01 |
| Kamion | right | 05:01 |
| mahangu | i was thinking of a GTK application | 05:02 |
| mahangu | of course | 05:02 |
| mahangu | yes, i understand what you are saying | 05:02 |
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| mahangu | what is the (average) turn around time for a launchpad reply? | 05:02 |
| Kamion | I'm not saying you shouldn't pursue an IRC-backed option, just suggesting that you might not want to get too hung up on IRC for this, that's all :) | 05:02 |
| Kamion | no idea - it's never actually been advertised anywhere so the people using it are the people who happen to have come across it | 05:02 |
| Kamion | (so far) | 05:02 |
| mahangu | yeah I understand | 05:02 |
| mahangu | Kamion, where can I find one or more devs with a little free time who might like to run through some ideas with me? | 05:03 |
| mahangu | Kamion, http://cvs.taprobane.org/viewcvs.py/taprobane/hermes/hermes.pl?rev=1.7&view=log | 05:03 |
| Kamion | for launchpad, or in general? | 05:03 |
| mahangu | Kamion, well in general | 05:03 |
| Kamion | hmm, I guess here's as good as any for IRC, or try the ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list; it's always better to find somewhere specific if possible though | 05:05 |
| mahangu | Kamion, thanks, ill try | 05:06 |
| Kamion | (I'm mostly doing other things at the moment though, I'm afraid) | 05:06 |
| mahangu | np | 05:07 |
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| mahangu | back | 05:31 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync grip from unstable, ubuntu changes can be dropped thx | 05:35 |
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| desrt | so what's the story on 2.6.15? | 07:47 |
| wasabi | Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was a kernel. | 07:48 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync k3b-i18n from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes ok | 07:49 |
| desrt | no. seriously | 07:57 |
| desrt | there are a few bugs that i'm waiting to see if the new kernel will fry | 07:57 |
| HiddenWolf | desrt, it's in, but unstable. | 07:58 |
| desrt | so why doesn't it show up on apt-get dist-upgrade? | 07:58 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync kdirstat from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes ok | 08:00 |
| fabbione | desrt: because PPC is still FTBFS on the buildd | 08:01 |
| fabbione | desrt: it should be fixed with tomorrow | 08:01 |
| fabbione | 's upload | 08:01 |
| desrt | ah. excellent | 08:01 |
| desrt | can you do me a favour, fabio? | 08:01 |
| fabbione | possibly | 08:01 |
| desrt | view this document :) | 08:01 |
| desrt | http://desrt.mcmaster.ca/random/new-key.asc | 08:01 |
| desrt | also: explain why there are 2 'b's in your name :) | 08:01 |
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| fabbione | the second B stands for Big | 08:02 |
| fabbione | like Big Fabio -> fabbione in italian | 08:03 |
| desrt | ah. i see. | 08:03 |
| tseng | desrt: he has a tshirt that says Ride The Italian Stalion | 08:03 |
| fabbione | no | 08:03 |
| tseng | there is no modesty to be had here | 08:03 |
| fabbione | it says: "Italian Stallion" with Ferrari's font | 08:03 |
| desrt | i should count my blessings that i didn't see it :) | 08:03 |
| tseng | haha | 08:03 |
| jbailey | fabbione: So what should elmo's shirt say? | 08:03 |
| jbailey | What's the elmo doll called in Italy? =) | 08:04 |
| fabbione | jbailey: "I ride katie?" | 08:04 |
| fabbione | dunno.. | 08:04 |
| fabbione | i never seen that dolls in italy | 08:04 |
| desrt | jbailey; i shall be in montreal in january | 08:04 |
| jbailey | desrt: Why are you coming here in the coldest month of the year? =) | 08:04 |
| desrt | jbailey; it's called CUSEC | 08:04 |
| desrt | canadian university software engineering conference | 08:05 |
| desrt | at concordia/mcgill | 08:05 |
| desrt | a lot of my friends are going and they didn't have a very difficult time convicing me to come along | 08:06 |
| fabbione | desrt: dude.. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | your new key is sick | 08:06 |
| desrt | fabbione; i love it :) | 08:06 |
| fabbione | 3360R ??? | 08:06 |
| jbailey | desrt: Ah, nice. I should poke my head in there. | 08:06 |
| fabbione | make it 4096 and get over it | 08:06 |
| desrt | jbailey; you certainly should | 08:06 |
| desrt | fabbione; 4096 is for posers :) | 08:06 |
| fabbione | yeah right | 08:07 |
| fabbione | you are jalous that my "key" is bigger than your | 08:07 |
| desrt | i wanted more security without doing the cliche thing of choosing the biggest possible key | 08:07 |
| desrt | so i put in 3333 | 08:07 |
| desrt | and it rounded up to 3360 | 08:07 |
| jbailey | 3333 rounded to 3360? | 08:07 |
| jbailey | This isn't on an old style Pentium, is it? =) | 08:07 |
| desrt | by gpg logic, yes | 08:07 |
| desrt | old-style pentium 4 :) | 08:08 |
| desrt | fabbione; so i guess you have a 4096bit rsa key? | 08:08 |
| fabbione | desrt: 2 of them | 08:09 |
| fabbione | + a standard 1024 DSA | 08:09 |
| desrt | fabbione; you deserve the second 'b' | 08:09 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync gnome-themes-extras, overriding ubuntu changes ok...thx | 08:09 |
| fabbione | desrt: i know i do :) | 08:10 |
| desrt | an interesting dos attack would be to create a new strong set | 08:12 |
| desrt | just crank out 100s of thousands of keys and have them all sign each other | 08:12 |
| desrt | then upload the resulting mess to some poor keyserver | 08:12 |
| fabbione | desrt: you would only notice a suddenly increase of keys on the keyservers | 08:13 |
| fabbione | it won't affect the strongset | 08:13 |
| desrt | fabbione; yes it would | 08:13 |
| fabbione | nopr | 08:13 |
| fabbione | nope | 08:13 |
| fabbione | only if one of the key is crosssigned with the strongset | 08:13 |
| desrt | because my new group of keys would be the new strongset | 08:13 |
| fabbione | nope | 08:13 |
| fabbione | the strong set is not detected | 08:13 |
| desrt | "the strongset" is defined as the largest set | 08:13 |
| fabbione | the starting point of the strong set is known :) | 08:14 |
| fabbione | this is a limitation in basically all the tools that do key stats | 08:14 |
| Kamion | desrt: it's only a DoS attack on people who don't hardcode the strong set. :) | 08:14 |
| desrt | the only way to fix that would be to say that the strong set is the set with my key in it | 08:14 |
| desrt | :) | 08:14 |
| Kamion | so more a Denial of Theory attack | 08:14 |
| fabbione | Kamion: exactly | 08:14 |
| desrt | there exists, i understand, another set of size 98 | 08:15 |
| desrt | someone needs to cosign those guys in :) | 08:15 |
| fabbione | desrt: see.. the point is that prople like you tend to disappear very fast from the net after an attack like that | 08:15 |
| fabbione | desrt: there are over 2M keys on the keyserver and afaik the strongset is ~200K | 08:16 |
| fabbione | so there is more or less a ratio to 1:10 | 08:16 |
| desrt | that's weird | 08:16 |
| fabbione | no it's not | 08:16 |
| fabbione | most of the keys in there are single keys | 08:17 |
| desrt | it means that only 1 in 10 keys are effectively signed | 08:17 |
| fabbione | that never signed or being signed | 08:17 |
| desrt | so weird | 08:17 |
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| desrt | anyway... have you noticed with rsa keys | 08:17 |
| fabbione | i don't find it weird | 08:17 |
| desrt | some keyservers think that they have different fingerprints | 08:17 |
| fabbione | a lot of people upload keys only becuase they have been told to reading the gpg howto | 08:18 |
| fabbione | and gave away the key one minute later | 08:18 |
| desrt | some of the web-based interfaces seem to use md5 checksums for rsa keys | 08:18 |
| fabbione | desrt: yeah.. old format | 08:18 |
| desrt | kinnison bought me a lovely purple book in montreal | 08:18 |
| desrt | i've written my key fingerprint inside of the cover in sha1 format | 08:19 |
| desrt | i really hope i don't have to erase it :p | 08:19 |
| fabbione | eheh | 08:19 |
| fabbione | http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/2005-11-13/top50table.html | 08:20 |
| fabbione | desrt: ^^ | 08:20 |
| fabbione | just about in the middle | 08:20 |
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| desrt | Fabio M. Di Nitto | 08:20 |
| desrt | mako is quite high on the list, hm? | 08:21 |
| fabbione | yeah | 08:21 |
| Treenaks | whee, I'm 849 | 08:21 |
| fabbione | but mako also travels N times as much as i used to | 08:21 |
| desrt | i wonder how i can determine my rank | 08:21 |
| desrt | my msd is a rather pathetic 5.something | 08:21 |
| desrt | actually | 08:22 |
| desrt | interesting | 08:22 |
| desrt | if you sign my key with a key that has MSD x | 08:22 |
| desrt | then my key automatically has a MSD of at most x+1 | 08:22 |
| fabbione | desrt: right | 08:22 |
| desrt | cool | 08:22 |
| desrt | sign me up! | 08:22 |
| fabbione | so in the next calculation you will jump up to death | 08:22 |
| desrt | death? | 08:22 |
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| desrt | you are 3.8199 | 08:22 |
| desrt | so i will probably be very slightly less than 4.8199 | 08:23 |
| fabbione | i am 25, 271, 751 | 08:23 |
| sivang | desrt: what kind of book is it? | 08:23 |
| fabbione | and you got signed by all of them | 08:23 |
| desrt | sivang; just a notebook | 08:23 |
| desrt | er | 08:23 |
| desrt | did you just upload to the keyserver? | 08:23 |
| fabbione | desrt: look at your email | 08:23 |
| sivang | desrt: ah , I thought some interesting technical book :) | 08:23 |
| fabbione | + you need to sign me too | 08:23 |
| sivang | fabbione: keysining over IRC ? ;-) | 08:23 |
| desrt | ah | 08:23 |
| desrt | excellent | 08:23 |
| fabbione | sivang: no | 08:23 |
| fabbione | i had his documents and keys already | 08:24 |
| desrt | gpg: new signatures: 3 | 08:24 |
| desrt | gpg: sending key AFAA6FF6 to hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com | 08:24 |
| desrt | thanks | 08:24 |
| fabbione | desrt: you need to sign my keys | 08:24 |
| desrt | just let me verify that the keys that just signed me are the keys that i signed with my old key :) | 08:24 |
| desrt | wait | 08:24 |
| fabbione | oh btw | 08:24 |
| desrt | did you accept my signatures? | 08:24 |
| fabbione | your script is broken | 08:24 |
| desrt | or ignore them? | 08:24 |
| fabbione | no i couldn't | 08:25 |
| desrt | it's scott's script :) | 08:25 |
| fabbione | gpg was complaning about the mail format being broken | 08:25 |
| fabbione | and didn't import | 08:25 |
| desrt | odd | 08:25 |
| fabbione | i use scott script | 08:25 |
| sivang | desrt: use Kinnison's , they are great :) | 08:25 |
| fabbione | that was not scott's script output | 08:25 |
| desrt | daniel's are so overkill :) | 08:25 |
| desrt | weird. | 08:25 |
| desrt | i made some very minor modifications to it | 08:25 |
| fabbione | well.. fix them | 08:26 |
| desrt | like having gpg ask me the passphrase each time instead of the perl script doing it | 08:26 |
| desrt | and if i say something other than '2' it asks me "are you sure?" | 08:26 |
| desrt | nothing to do with the format of the mail | 08:26 |
| fabbione | well the output mail was somehow corrupted | 08:26 |
| fabbione | and i couldn't import them | 08:26 |
| desrt | and i signed your key before the mods :) | 08:27 |
| desrt | hmmmmm | 08:27 |
| desrt | this is a problem | 08:27 |
| desrt | because i am no longer sure what keys i signed | 08:27 |
| desrt | lemme go through my things and see if i can find the piece of paper you gave me | 08:27 |
| fabbione | desrt: btw... with my signature, you will be 4 hops from Linus :) | 08:30 |
| desrt | linus sucks. i want rms! | 08:30 |
| desrt | :) | 08:30 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 08:31 |
| desrt | (i'm already 3 hops from rms) | 08:31 |
| \sh | is collecting "gpg signatures" something like collecting autographs from VIPs? | 08:31 |
| desrt | absolutely :) | 08:31 |
| fabbione | \sh: gpg is more fun | 08:31 |
| sivang | \sh: judging by the current discussion, seems so :) | 08:32 |
| desrt | with gpg you can publish your signature collection to the world to brag | 08:32 |
| desrt | without fear of someone stealing the signatures | 08:32 |
| sivang | desrt: how come ? | 08:32 |
| desrt | fabbione; so why 3 keys? | 08:33 |
| fabbione | desrt: 1 (old) debian 2 (new) debian 3) canonical/ubuntu | 08:33 |
| \sh | hmmm...then I'm proud to have actually a signature of kinnison and lamot...which gives me a real hard on ... but linus or rms..who wants them? ,) | 08:33 |
| fabbione | desrt: but i still use all 3 of them | 08:33 |
| \sh | lamont even | 08:33 |
| desrt | Kinnison; ! | 08:33 |
| desrt | kinnison and keybuk said they would sign my keys, accepted my fingerprint and have not yet done so! | 08:34 |
| fabbione | kids... | 08:34 |
| fabbione | desrt: gpg keysign is not "push me to sign your key" | 08:34 |
| fabbione | it happens when it happens | 08:34 |
| fabbione | it's not like sex that needs to finish asap ;) | 08:34 |
| desrt | you sound very zen :) | 08:34 |
| fabbione | i have learned that | 08:35 |
| fabbione | it took me a year to get my key signed by Martin Schulze | 08:35 |
| desrt | who is that? | 08:35 |
| fabbione | just because he kept forgetting | 08:35 |
| fabbione | but he did | 08:35 |
| \sh | fabbione: "needs to finish asap"? | 08:35 |
| === desrt smiles | ||
| fabbione | sex is an obsolete and ancient form of fum | 08:35 |
| fabbione | fun | 08:35 |
| fabbione | it's much better to play PS2 | 08:35 |
| === desrt blinks | ||
| fabbione | ehehhe | 08:35 |
| desrt | your wife agrees? | 08:36 |
| fabbione | ok i am off to spend sometime with my wife | 08:36 |
| desrt | hah! | 08:36 |
| fabbione | desrt: sometimes ;) | 08:36 |
| desrt | enjoy the playstation | 08:36 |
| === \sh has neither sex or a ps2 ... so I'm a real weirdo | ||
| fabbione | thanks | 08:36 |
| fabbione | \sh: than you are screwed | 08:36 |
| \sh | which reminds me, that this is real OT | 08:36 |
| fabbione | \sh: on a sunday evening? | 08:37 |
| fabbione | OT? | 08:37 |
| fabbione | ok | 08:37 |
| \sh | fabbione: i'm not screwed | 08:37 |
| fabbione | is there anybody in here that wants to talk about Ubuntu Devel? ;) | 08:37 |
| desrt | i think i've thought about a way to hax0r Kinnison's scripts | 08:37 |
| fabbione | desrt: you are welcome to try with one of my keys | 08:37 |
| fabbione | but please don't flood me with mails | 08:38 |
| fabbione | just use the one with the less amount of UID | 08:38 |
| desrt | no... i mean getting daniel to sign a false uid | 08:38 |
| fabbione | you can't | 08:38 |
| desrt | he puts the fingerprints of keys that he trusts | 08:38 |
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| desrt | and reruns his script every now and again so that if a new UID got added it sends an email there | 08:38 |
| sivang | desrt: I have my key signed by daniel, but still hadn't had chance to sign his ...:-/ It's been SO hectic in work since I returned from UBZ, so much backlog | 08:38 |
| fabbione | yeah | 08:38 |
| desrt | so just add a new uid with a valid email and a fake name | 08:39 |
| fabbione | desrt: nope.. | 08:39 |
| fabbione | that doesn't work | 08:39 |
| desrt | his script checks the name? | 08:39 |
| fabbione | becuase the script checks if the UID has been signed by the master key | 08:39 |
| desrt | yes | 08:39 |
| fabbione | you would need to trick a lot the key to do so | 08:39 |
| desrt | i'm saying adding a fake uid to my own key | 08:40 |
| desrt | so i have 2 uids | 08:40 |
| desrt | Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca> | 08:40 |
| desrt | Jesus H. Christ <jesus@desrt.ca> | 08:40 |
| fabbione | even so, the fake uid is still binded to your primary key | 08:40 |
| desrt | i bet daniel's script would sign the 2nd uid | 08:40 |
| fabbione | even if you kill Ryan Lortie | 08:40 |
| fabbione | you can still see it in the key | 08:40 |
| desrt | wrong | 08:40 |
| fabbione | desrt: yes it will sign | 08:40 |
| fabbione | desrt: you are wrong | 08:40 |
| desrt | since i know p and q i can remove ryan lortie from the key | 08:40 |
| fabbione | you can revoke the uid | 08:40 |
| desrt | i can generate a new key without 'ryan lortie' in it that has the same fingerprint | 08:40 |
| fabbione | you can't delete it forever | 08:40 |
| fabbione | desrt: good luck :) | 08:41 |
| fabbione | let me know when you have done ;) | 08:41 |
| desrt | i don't want to do it | 08:41 |
| fabbione | gotta go | 08:41 |
| desrt | i'd totally fuck up my key in the process :) | 08:41 |
| fabbione | later | 08:41 |
| desrt | ciao! | 08:41 |
| \sh | fabbione: hf | 08:42 |
| Kamion | fabbione: oh, for the sake of some actual relevant conversation :-), I've implemented most of the stuff you need for whatever that server rescue mode thing was | 08:43 |
| sivang | Kamion: is it GUI in any sense? | 08:44 |
| Kamion | no | 08:44 |
| Kamion | if you want that, use a live CD | 08:44 |
| Kamion | rescue mode is not designed for prettiness, it's designed for "oh my god my system is hosed help me" | 08:44 |
| loogaroo | hi | 08:46 |
| sivang | Kamion: ah I see. Me and Corey discussed that it would be nice to have a GUI rescue mode for a "desktopish" installation, for the sake of "regular users" (tm) | 08:48 |
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| sivang | can anyone comment if I'm better off using glade-gnome-2 for doing a GUI app in PyGTK or gazpacho? | 08:50 |
| slomo_ | sivang: whatever appeals more to you... both create valid glade files so... | 08:52 |
| sivang | slomo_: ah nice, I was afraid there were some incompatibilities that might have prevented use of one over the other | 08:52 |
| \sh | but gazpacho is sometimes segfaulting...when it comes to glade glade files | 08:55 |
| sivang | \sh: what's glade glade files? | 08:55 |
| \sh | sivang: glade-2 .glade files | 08:55 |
| sivang | \sh: aren't we always using glade-2 .glade files? (or is gazpacho producing glade-1 files?) | 08:56 |
| \sh | sivang: well..actually we're using xml files (which are .glade files) but gazpacho sometimes doesn't work as expected..it crashed e.g. when I wanted to edit gajims glade file with it.. | 08:57 |
| sivang | \sh: I see thanks for the tip. I'm already pretty used to working with glade-2 so I'll default to that :) | 08:58 |
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| Kamion | sivang: that use case is fulfilled by the live CD | 08:58 |
| Kamion | we don't have resources to help out with the graphical installer at the moment, unfortunately | 08:59 |
| sivang | Kamion: I understand. Not a problem, good the know the use case is taken care of. | 09:00 |
| \sh | hmmm....when fabbione is only 4 hops from linus... | 09:08 |
| \sh | i'm only 3 hops from linus ,( | 09:09 |
| \sh | ,) | 09:09 |
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| sivang | \sh: then if you sign my key I'm 5 hopes from linux? | 09:13 |
| sivang | err, s/linux/linus/ | 09:14 |
| slomo_ | BenC: is -4.4 including the softmac patch? you can get it from here ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/bcm43xx/ | 09:14 |
| BenC | I just synced the latest svn today, saw the softmac log entry | 09:15 |
| slomo_ | the stuff in svn uses softmac but the patch from that ftp is still needed afaik | 09:19 |
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| \sh | killall -FIX buildd | 10:37 |
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| Kinnison | desrt: so impatient | 11:03 |
| desrt | SIGN MY KEYS, BITCHES!!! | 11:04 |
| desrt | <ahem> | 11:04 |
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| desrt | btw. did you read my hypothetical attack against your keysign scripts? | 11:06 |
| Kinnison | no, where's that? | 11:07 |
| desrt | basically, it goes like this: | 11:07 |
| desrt | i add a new uid to my key "Jesus H. Christ <jesus@desrt.ca>" and upload it to the keyservers | 11:07 |
| desrt | then a few months later you re-run your script | 11:08 |
| desrt | (implied: i can receive email at jesus@desrt.ca) | 11:08 |
| Kinnison | Nice try | 11:08 |
| === Kinnison did say, very clearly, "READ THE OUTPUT OF 'make xref' CAREFULLY" | ||
| desrt | hm. fair enough :) | 11:08 |
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| \sh | I didn't know that Jesus had a middle name | 11:10 |
| \sh | ,-) | 11:11 |
| slomo | daniels: will you update the whole driver stuff to 7.0 for dapper? or will we stay with 6.8? | 11:11 |
| Kamion | slomo: it's mostly updated already but FTBFS due to a glibc bug, which is being fixed | 11:12 |
| slomo | Kamion: ok, thanks... btw, the new binutils seem to have a bug... or cairo has... debian bts #340073 | 11:13 |
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| Kamion | slomo: thanks, RC bugs from Debian are already automatically imported into bugzilla for us | 11:14 |
| Kamion | (I saw that bug in my Ubuntu bugs folder a few minutes ago, so I know it worked ...) | 11:14 |
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| slomo | ok ;) but it's a bug in binutils imho... only shows up in cairo and they worked around it | 11:15 |
| Kamion | ok, I'm not the binutils maintainer so you're talking to the wrong guy ... | 11:19 |
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| elmo | slomo: no, it's not a bug in binutils | 11:20 |
| elmo | it a) doesn't only show up in cario, and b) is a genuine bug in cario and the other places it's shown up (e.g. glibc) | 11:20 |
| slomo | elmo: ok... thanks for clarifying... so an INT_ prefix is dropped by binutils? or what was the mistake? | 11:21 |
| Kinnison | desrt: Hmm, the xref wants to sign your key | 11:21 |
| Kinnison | desrt: I think I'll let it, this time :-) | 11:21 |
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| Kinnison | desrt: chocks away | 11:24 |
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| desrt | thanks | 11:26 |
| desrt | i do think i've signed your key... but it's not on the servers | 11:26 |
| Kinnison | I have a bunch of key stuff to merge | 11:27 |
| desrt | gotcha. | 11:27 |
| Kinnison | 33 mails | 11:27 |
| === Kinnison fetches 'em | ||
| === desrt wonders if your dob on your key is for extra security or so people will never forget your birthday :) | ||
| Kinnison | mostly it's because I put it there a long time ago thinking it was a good idea, and then didn't want to deal with revoking the uid etc | 11:28 |
| desrt | ah. i see. | 11:29 |
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| desrt | do you know if there is a program that is better at manipulating ascii-armor than gpg? | 11:31 |
| Kinnison | manipulating in what sense? | 11:31 |
| desrt | like something that will show you what information a particular sniplet contains and let you add/remove bits to it | 11:31 |
| === Kinnison merges 32 signatures | ||
| === desrt feels his msd drop ever so slightly | ||
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| desrt | :) | 11:33 |
| desrt | wanna hear something weird? | 11:33 |
| desrt | a bunch of the keyservers out there refuse to call my key 'afaa6ff6' and call it some other thing instead | 11:33 |
| desrt | they use md5 as the hash, i think? | 11:34 |
| Kinnison | seems unlikely | 11:34 |
| \sh | Kinnison: somehow evolution don't want to play nice..now i have to copy'n'paste your mail into vi and save the file.. | 11:37 |
| \sh | Could not parse S/MIME message | 11:37 |
| \sh | gpg: armor header: Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) | 11:37 |
| desrt | http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=desrt | 11:37 |
| desrt | observe | 11:37 |
| Kinnison | \sh: odd, evo on breezy seems fine with them | 11:37 |
| desrt | pub 3360/4BC2F68B 2005/11/05 Ryan Lortie <desrt@desrt.ca> | 11:37 |
| Kinnison | \sh: then again, I tend to paste them into gpg --import anyway | 11:37 |
| \sh | Kinnison: evo on dapper doesn't like it | 11:38 |
| === Kinnison blames new evo :-) | ||
| Kamion | desrt: bug handling keys of your wacky key length, maybe? (random uninformed guess) | 11:39 |
| desrt | Kamion; that's one of my guesses too except that somewhere i saw that it was using an md5 for my key fingerprint | 11:40 |
| desrt | (or md5, i assume... it was 128bits) | 11:40 |
| === desrt has a tendancy to exercise bugs in software :) | ||
| Kinnison | desrt: It may be a hiccough in RSA handling | 11:41 |
| Kinnison | I.E. the keyserver may assume an RSA key is not v4 | 11:41 |
| desrt | nod | 11:41 |
| Kinnison | v3 keys had md5-looking fingerprints | 11:41 |
| Kamion | desrt: first, get it straight - are you wondering about the keyid, or the fingerprint? | 11:41 |
| desrt | Kamion; both | 11:41 |
| desrt | Kamion; the keyid, i think, is incorrect by virtue of coming from a fingerprint done with a different hash | 11:42 |
| desrt | http://wwwkeys.ch.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=desrt%40desrt.ca&fingerprint=on&exact=on | 11:42 |
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| desrt | Key fingerprint = FA 2C B4 95 EC 16 6F 0C 0E CD AA FB E9 A6 38 A1 | 11:42 |
| desrt | weird, eh? | 11:42 |
| desrt | does the proper sha fingerprint for the DSA key but does (i guess md5?) for the RSA | 11:43 |
| Kamion | yes, as Kinnison says, RSA v3 key fingerprints were MD5, RSA v4 fingerprints are SHA-1 | 11:43 |
| desrt | i wonder, then... if someone got my rsa key with a v3 version of pgp might they try to encrypt to me using my signing key? :) | 11:44 |
| Kamion | but you should really ask the keyserver admins - I doubt many people here can do more than guess | 11:44 |
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