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mhz	strusberg: please visit http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/ItLa/talk	12:12
mhz	strusberg: could you?	12:13
mhz	strusberg_: coudl you?	12:13
mhz	could	12:14
strusberg	mhz: Checking...	12:14
mhz	hehe	12:14
mhz	2 strusbergs around	12:14
mhz	strusberg: password freedom	12:14
mhz	small detail :D	12:14
mhz	it was either a stupid typo	12:14
mhz	or cache	12:14
mhz	my guess is typo	12:15
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mhz	;-)	12:16
strusberg	:-) wrong password	12:16
strusberg	:-(	12:17
mhz	freedom?	12:17
strusberg	yep	12:18
mhz	hmmm	12:18
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mhz	hmm, weired	12:19
mhz	I am gonna change it	12:19
mhz	user: RicardoStrusberg	12:20
mhz	password: uno	12:20
mhz	please copy/paste	12:20
mhz	in case is typo	12:20
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mhz	and please do change password once you login :)	12:21
mhz	strusberg: could you?	12:22
strusberg	mhz: Not working yet. Maybe some strusberg for this irc is going first :-)	12:23
mhz	heheh	12:23
mhz	but I can do it successfully	12:23
mhz	4 times, actually	12:24
mhz	strusberg: I guess you copied pasted	12:24
mhz	right?	12:24
strusberg	mhz: Nop	12:24
mhz	could you c/p?	12:24
strusberg	sure	12:25
mhz	thx	12:25
strusberg	idem	12:25
mhz	hmmm	12:25
mhz	how about RicardoStrusberg and 'email me my account' ?	12:26
mhz	strusberg: you gotta provide your latinux email thou	12:26
mhz	try that	12:26
strusberg	I tried and I have received this:	12:27
strusberg	Somebody has requested to submit your account data to this email address.	12:27
strusberg	If you lost your password, please use the data below and just enter the	12:27
strusberg	password AS SHOWN into the wiki's password form field (use copy and paste	12:27
strusberg	for that).	12:27
strusberg	After successfully logging in, it is of course a good idea to set a new and known password.	12:27
strusberg	You see? No password.	12:27
mhz	I just did it and I got Mail sent ok	12:28
mhz	(I only provided RicardoStrusberg and strusberg@latinux.org, then pressed email me button)	12:28
strusberg	I got the e-mail but with no password inside.	12:29
mhz	impossible	12:29
mhz	there should be an url to visit	12:29
mhz	and login automatically so you can change your password	12:29
mhz	once loged in	12:30
strusberg	Ok. I forward the e-mail to mhz@tec...	12:30
mhz	perfect	12:30
mhz	I am sorry to be causing you these troubles	12:30
mhz	1st time i see this	12:30
strusberg	Me too	12:30
mhz	you received it gmail?	12:31
mhz	not in latinux?	12:31
mhz	the email with the password was sent to latinux?	12:32
strusberg	Uhmm	12:32
strusberg	Let me check.	12:32
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strusberg	checking...	12:34
strusberg	mhz: Bingo!!	12:35
mhz	cool	12:35
mhz	maybe it was a typo or cahce	12:35
mhz	cache	12:35
mhz	but I doubt cache because I deleted it on the server side	12:35
mhz	that's why I suggested copy paste for UserName and password	12:36
mhz	col	12:36
mhz	cool	12:36
mhz	strusberg: so you have access to ACL pages for ItLaGroup	12:36
mhz	?	12:36
strusberg	FYI: Ok. I can view ../talk but no ItLaGroup	12:36
mhz	ofcourse	12:36
mhz	*Group pages are All:	12:37
mhz	so only Admins can view them	12:37
strusberg	mhz: Ok.	12:37
mhz	the important thing is now you have full access to ItLa pages	12:37
mhz	and from monday on, you'll have access to revert as well	12:38
mhz	strusberg: i gotta take care of my daughter for a while and be back	12:38
strusberg	mhz: What do you think about ItLA+Ebuntu EngineerCertification	12:38
mhz	what do you think my opinion is?	12:39
mhz	however, I'd say Ubuntu. (Edubuntu is just a flavour + very socially oriented)	12:39
mhz	Edubuntu is LTSP flavoured + some admin basic knowledge	12:41
mhz	hence, it is indeed a good idea to get training	12:41
mhz	but I doubt it is 'engeneer' qualified :)	12:41
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mhz	unless, of course there are more issues that provide that extra that the word engeneer gives.	12:42
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mhz_family	strusberg: if possible, wiki a personal page :)	01:01
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mhz_family	arkan0x: ping	02:05
arkan0x	mhz_family, pong	02:11
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mhz	re	02:18
mhz	arkan0x: quien va manana?	02:32
arkan0x	no sep mhz	02:33
mhz	hmm	02:33
mhz	y como sera coordinado quienes iran?	02:34
arkan0x	se supone ke los ke puedan van , osea por horario de oficina todos podrian ir despues de la 7	02:35
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arkan0x	XD	02:36
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mhz	ya, y desde que hora deberia haber gente?	02:36
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mhz	Burgundavia: ping	04:16
Burgundavia	mhz, pong	04:17
mhz	hi there	04:17
mhz	I got a small prob.	04:17
Burgundavia	ok	04:17
mhz	I have no clue how to edit the SVG files regarding the clarifying notes you stated	04:18
Burgundavia	you don't know how to word it?	04:18
mhz	I mean, I can't seem to find the way to edit texts in the 'circle'	04:18
mhz	all horizontal texts, no prob.	04:19
Burgundavia	ah	04:19
Burgundavia	jsut a sec, let me try	04:19
mhz	okidoki	04:19
mhz	but	04:19
mhz	you should try the files in EdubuntuCd... redirecting	04:20
mhz	the new page does not have any svg	04:20
mhz	and yes, I decided to give a more universal name to it	04:20
mhz	esp. because juliux pointed that label was more suitable.	04:21
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Burgundavia	it is not text	04:26
Burgundavia	it is has traced to shapes	04:26
mhz	no clue how to deal with it	04:26
Burgundavia	did you create that svg?	04:27
mhz	nope	04:27
mhz	We usually work: I propose the design and Pablo does it	04:27
mhz	and re-propose	04:27
Burgundavia	you need to get the original svgs from him	04:28
mhz	those are not original?	04:28
Burgundavia	I think they have been prepared for printing	04:28
Burgundavia	or something	04:28
mhz	ok,	04:28
mhz	I'll ask him	04:29
mhz	the good thing it that it was made 100% in Inkscape	04:29
mhz	(free as in freedom) :D	04:29
mhz	thx for checking	04:29
Burgundavia	I think that is what it is	04:30
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DaBass	is there a edubuntu distro on internet?	05:25
DaBass	i don't mean iso	05:25
Burgundavia	what do you mean?	05:26
Burgundavia	"on the internet">	05:26
Burgundavia	?	05:26
DaBass	i maen mirror where i could poit to to do netinstall	05:26
DaBass	does anybody know how to do netinstall	05:27
DaBass	?	05:27
DaBass	burgundavia?	05:29
Burgundavia	yep?	05:29
DaBass	can you help with pcmcia?	05:30
Burgundavia	might	05:30
DaBass	doring boot i get pcmcia not pressent	05:30
DaBass	i have ethernet card in pcmcia	05:30
DaBass	it has worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade	05:31
DaBass	it worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade	05:32
DaBass	do you know what could be wrong?	05:35
Burgundavia	sorry, nope	05:35
Burgundavia	file a bug	05:35
DaBass	do you know something about the netinstall	05:41
mhz	i have done it	05:41
DaBass	how?	05:41
mhz	DaBass: how are you doing it?	05:41
DaBass	well throug debian bootdisks	05:42
mhz	hmm	05:42
DaBass	and debootstrap that did not work	05:42
mhz	have you tried netbooting but via HD?	05:42
DaBass	then i did basic install of debian and did the apt-get dist-update	05:43
DaBass	but now my pcmcia dont work	05:43
DaBass	no	05:43
DaBass	how	05:43
mhz	I mean: Editing grub to give options to boot from net (other box that contains CD or iso)?	05:43
DaBass	no i am listenning	05:43
mhz	PCMCIA will not work for boot time, afaik	05:44
mhz	ok, let me get you the url i used	05:44
mhz	what OS do you have in current machine you wanna install?	05:44
DaBass	cripled edubuntu	05:44
DaBass	;-)	05:44
mhz	hehehe	05:44
mhz	and what do you want there?	05:45
DaBass	well i would like to make this notebook so kids could pay with it	05:45
DaBass	it might not even work	05:45
DaBass	*play	05:45
mhz	DaBass: so you have edubuntu on it already?	05:46
DaBass	well kind of	05:46
mhz	only PCMCIA not working?	05:46
DaBass	i did the install of debian and then did the distribution update	05:46
DaBass	yep	05:46
mhz	uhhh	05:46
mhz	does that laptop boot from Cd/	05:47
mhz	?	05:47
DaBass	and while booting it stops 4 times and sais something about dma timeout	05:47
DaBass	no	05:47
DaBass	it has no cdrom	05:47
mhz	ok, mine neither	05:47
DaBass	while it was debian it worked ok	05:47
mhz	so from Debian you moved to edubuntu?	05:48
DaBass	yep	05:48
mhz	oh, i see	05:48
mhz	and what procedure you followed to do the 'migration'? any wiki doc?	05:49
DaBass	it was the process : i instaled simple debian and wanted to instal edubuntu over it by apt-get distr-update	05:49
DaBass	wait	05:49
DaBass	not exactly folowed but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86962	05:50
mhz	check this out while I read your url :)	05:53
mhz	http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/FromAnotherDistro	05:53
DaBass	i didnot read the one i gave you through, i got to the midle of second page where it sais it could be posible ;-)	05:54
DaBass	but my friend told me, he did it, to look it up	05:55
mhz	I have not installed ubuntu or edubuntu from debian, but I did install editing Grub and making it boot from a server (TFTP)	05:57
DaBass	but you said it won't take pcmcia right?	05:59
mhz	http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/Netboot	06:00
DaBass	i have tried the debootstrab from debian installation as it sais here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29	06:00
mhz	right	06:01
mhz	I have never made it via PCMCIA because it is loades after soem steps	06:01
DaBass	but it did not work	06:01
mhz	steps which I cant get to	06:01
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DaBass	besides is there a mirror for edubuntu?	06:01
mhz	yup but edubunt does not provide netboot	06:02
mhz	only ubuntu does	06:02
mhz	neither kubuntu	06:02
DaBass	what cant u get to?	06:02
mhz	to previous loading so PCMCIA boots ok	06:02
mhz	so I ended up using	06:02
mhz	TFTP booting	06:03
DaBass	ok i missed the first sentence	06:03
DaBass	why is there no mirror for edubuntu/kbuntu?	06:04
mhz	there is	06:08
mhz	but not for netboot	06:08
mhz	edubuntu and kubunt are just desktop settings flavors	06:09
mhz	so the mirror is ubuntu	06:09
DaBass	well i am going try the debootstrap again	06:10
mhz	ok	06:10
DaBass	well 2 days ago i knew almost nothing about linux install now i am getting better	06:11
DaBass	;-)	06:11
mhz	hehhe	06:11
mhz	congrats	06:11
mhz	keep up the good work	06:11
mhz	however, AFAIK, debootstrap is longer way than netbooting using th elast url	06:12
DaBass	but you said it doesnt work with pcmcia	06:13
mhz	yup	06:13
mhz	ohhh	06:13
mhz	tight	06:13
mhz	right	06:14
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mhz	no other eth0 but PCMCIA?	06:14
mhz	is your HD partitioned?	06:14
mhz	IIRC, you could also install from within the HD if it is already partitioned	06:15
DaBass	it has 1.5 giga	06:15
mhz	so, you simply edit your bootloader (grub) and...	06:15
mhz	oh	06:15
mhz	:D	06:15
DaBass	;-)	06:15
mhz	you can't install edubuntu on it	06:15
DaBass	it maight not even work	06:15
DaBass	it just good experience	06:16
mhz	you may try DamnSmallLinux	06:16
DaBass	not whole but part at least	06:16
mhz	it is only 50 MB	06:16
mhz	and it's quite excellent	06:16
DaBass	it has X?	06:16
mhz	yup!	06:16
mhz	it is excellent!	06:17
mhz	esp. for cases like yours	06:17
DaBass	what about all those educational programs and games?	06:17
DaBass	i am newbe to linux remeber	06:17
DaBass	;-)	06:17
mhz	plus, it also installs its Hardware database. So if you install it to a HD on a different pc, then you change the HD to pc #2 and it will automatically recognize new hardware	06:18
mhz	all those applications (depending on how much space you have left) can be manually installed	06:18
mhz	they are in debian and so is D.S.L	06:18
mhz	edubuntu is= Ubuntu + LTSP + set of edu applications	06:19
DaBass	sounds more realistic	06:19
mhz	indeed	06:19
mhz	I promise yo wont regret it	06:19
DaBass	ok	06:19
DaBass	i am gonna try	06:19
mhz	and is rthere any chance you can take the HD out?	06:20
DaBass	well might be	06:21
mhz	and coulkd you place it onto a diff laptop that boots from CD?	06:21
DaBass	why i can't install dsl over net either?	06:21
DaBass	too much hasle ;-)	06:21
mhz	you could	06:21
mhz	but remember	06:21
mhz	that in order to make PCMCIA work	06:22
mhz	some modules need to get loaded first	06:22
mhz	and that is not possible AFAIK, unless we're talking about an already installed OS	06:23
mhz	not a "about to install" one	06:23
DaBass	;-)	06:23
DaBass	well the debian bootdisks load everithing to make pcmcia work so did slackware	06:24
mhz	yup	06:24
mhz	because they install from scratch	06:25
mhz	so will gentoo	06:25
mhz	ubuntu is not made for such purposes	06:25
mhz	not from scratch	06:25
DaBass	so lets say i am in middle of debian instalation which is loaded in memory right?	06:26
mhz	depends	06:26
DaBass	i can switch to console	06:26
mhz	yup	06:26
DaBass	what can i doo from there?	06:26
mhz	hmmm very little	06:26
DaBass	;-)	06:26
mhz	it only a busy box	06:26
mhz	maybe from Gentoo	06:27
mhz	you'll be able to do much more	06:27
mhz	in that phase	06:27
mhz	Gentoo is a installable OS and a powerfull command line LiveCD	06:27
DaBass	i need something that works out of floppy	06:28
mhz	debian from scratch	06:29
mhz	maybe even D.S.L	06:29
mhz	why not trying booting and installing from HD?	06:29
DaBass	but how?	06:30
mhz	hmm, let me get ya an url	06:30
mhz	meantime: theory says, edit grub and tell it to boot from an iso in your HD partition (different from the one grub is)	06:31
mhz	well I had this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/HardDriveAndPcmcia	06:33
mhz	now, let me get the one from HD	06:36
DaBass	ok	06:38
mhz	DaBass: I am falling asleep :)	06:49
mhz	sorry	06:49
mhz	I do remember in Debian.org there is a doc to install from HD	06:50
mhz	DaBass: I hope you get it working	06:50
mhz	good night	06:50
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redbass	hi	11:05
redbass	aninoe can help me?	11:05
redbass	i have problem vith ltsp	11:05
redbass	i install the last ver of edubuntu	11:05
redbass	and i start my terminals....	11:05
redbass	but i try to write the login end pwd ... but the keyboard don't work...	11:06
redbass	what i can do?	11:06
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jark	hello	02:22
jark	can i ask a question here?	02:22
jark	i got a problem with my edubuntu installation, it won't login after the ltsp-boot is there any way to troubleshoot this?	02:23
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jark	hello, anyone here?	02:50
Yagisan	G'day jark, what's up ?	02:51
jark	well i have a problem with the ltsp login in edubuntu	02:52
jark	and i can't seem to find the problem	02:52
Yagisan	jark - can you log in from a client ?	02:53
jark	no thats the problem :S i can login perfectly on the server itself, and the client boots via pxe and gets the graphic screen and all. but when i try to login it just goes back to the login screen	02:54
jark	i tried booting it again a couple of times too	02:54
Yagisan	on the server run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" then reboot the client and try again	02:54
jark	ok i'll try	02:55
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jark	lol it works!!! thank you very much	02:57
Yagisan	your welcome jark	03:01
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mhz	hi	03:03
JaneW	Yagisan: lol, I read that as 'your(sic) welcome jerk'	03:03
JaneW	I was going to remind you of our CoC ;)	03:03
JaneW	hi mhz	03:04
mhz	Yagisan: hey, I forgot to ask...was the delivery process ok for your wife?	03:04
jark	lol thats my first name	03:04
JaneW	mhz: has marilize got back to you yet?	03:04
mhz	hi JaneW	03:04
mhz	nope	03:04
mhz	but Jane Silber did	03:04
JaneW	mhz: yes I saw that	03:04
JaneW	mhz: I spoke to marilize today and asked her to get on it, and she said she would...	03:04
mhz	I am crossing my fingers so I can get that ASAP :)	03:05
mhz	JaneW: thx for that support	03:05
mhz	JaneW: I have interesting news	03:05
juliux	hi mhz	03:05
mhz	I have been asked to talk about Ubuntu/Edubuntu and Free access to knowledge on a TV show (for teens)	03:05
mhz	juliux: hi Mr. almos community :D	03:06
mhz	juliux: hi Mr. almost community :D	03:06
JaneW	mhz: wow, awesome!	03:06
juliux	mhz, do you mean me?	03:06
JaneW	mhz: you must get the footage for us - if you can...	03:06
Yagisan	G'day mhz, wife came home today	03:06
mhz	JaneW: indeed. I am preparing material for that now	03:06
JaneW	Yagisan: did she have another baby?	03:06
Yagisan	JaneW: YES!!!	03:07
mhz	JaneW: footage?	03:07
JaneW	Yagisan: wow, congrats!	03:07
mhz	juliux: yup. Aren't we both waiting for tomorrow's meeting?	03:07
juliux	mhz, yes we do	03:07
JaneW	Yagisan: to both of you. That makes 2 now right?	03:07
mhz	Yagisan: i am very happy for yu 2	03:07
mhz	Yagisan: i am very happy for you 4, actually	03:08
JaneW	Yagisan: boy or girl?	03:08
Yagisan	JaneW: Yep, baby number two, thanks	03:08
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Yagisan	JaneW: Boy	03:08
mhz	Yagisan: another freedom warrior	03:08
JaneW	I love babies	03:08
JaneW	cool!	03:08
Yagisan	JaneW: Didn't you see the topic ?	03:08
mhz	I love my babies over someone else's :D	03:09
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mhz	JaneW: what you mean by footage for us?	03:09
JaneW	mhz: the TV covereage	03:09
JaneW	Yagisan: oops no sorry ;)	03:10
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mhz	ooh, I'll do my best	03:10
JaneW	mhz: see photo of my boy from the friday 'garduation' http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/65454879/	03:10
JaneW	ack 'Graduation' I meant	03:10
mhz	JaneW: in some cultures he'll be in process of becoming a wiser man :)	03:10
jsgotangco	hello all	03:11
juliux	mhz, Yagisan JaneW what do you think lightscribe edubuntu cds or print on them?	03:11
mhz	JaneW: he looks happy. Now, you wont even notice when he asks to have his own flat :)	03:11
mhz	jsgotangco: hi there	03:11
jsgotangco	how's things?	03:12
JaneW	juliux: lightscribe?	03:12
mhz	juliux: IMHO, the quality is important but freedom is much more important :)	03:12
Yagisan	JaneW: it's a laser etching on the cd	03:12
JaneW	mhz: hehe, yes it is a nice photo	03:12
jsgotangco	laser etching	03:12
JaneW	Yagisan: oic, I think they are usually silkscreened...	03:12
jsgotangco	hehe	03:12
juliux	JaneW, http://www.lightscribe.com/use/winterholidays.aspx?id=226 there a exampls	03:13
jsgotangco	ain't that too much	03:13
Yagisan	juliux: what's cheaper ?	03:13
JaneW	hi jsgotangco, how's you new job?	03:13
jsgotangco	JaneW: awesome, i'm allowed to play games at work tee hee	03:13
mhz	juliux: what is more affordable for you ?	03:13
juliux	Yagisan, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messe_Ideen there is table	03:13
jsgotangco	JaneW: i've just ubuntu-fied the whole office	03:13
mhz	jsgotangco: you rock!	03:14
juliux	Yagisan, oh sorry it is only german, wait a moment i will translate the table	03:14
jsgotangco	3 of 5 servers now run breezy	03:14
JaneW	jsgotangco: cool and cooler!	03:14
mhz	jsgotangco: ooops	03:14
mhz	jsgotangco: ubuntu domination? :d	03:14
jsgotangco	sort of	03:14
jsgotangco	heh	03:15
jsgotangco	too bad we don't have linux mobile phones	03:15
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mhz	oooh	03:15
mhz	I envy ya	03:15
mhz	:)	03:15
JaneW	lightscribing looks cool	03:15
Yagisan	juliux: If I understand it, lightscribe costs more	03:16
jsgotangco	mhz: its not really fun all the time	03:16
jsgotangco	mhz: you're forced to play crappy games even	03:16
mhz	JaneW: indeed, but don't that ask you to use propietary IT?	03:16
juliux	Yagisan, that is so not right	03:16
Yagisan	juliux: which looks better ?	03:16
mhz	jsgotangco: hehehehe	03:16
juliux	Yagisan, lightscribe is only b/w	03:16
juliux	Yagisan, printed is color	03:16
juliux	Yagisan, we will make this cds just in time on the fairs in germany	03:17
mhz	juliux: I like lightscribe idea but I have my concerns regarding potential restrictions. Are there any ?	03:18
juliux	mhz, i don't know	03:18
juliux	mhz, but lightscribe only works with windows	03:18
Yagisan	juliux: lightscribe is cheaper ? I was looking at "Kosten pro CD/DVD", lightscribe is 0.90, normal is 0.42	03:18
juliux	Yagisan, 0.42 is without printing	03:19
juliux	Yagisan, check total cost	03:19
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juliux	Yagisan, i have translate the page now	03:20
juliux	Yagisan, the important things	03:20
Yagisan	juliux - why does lightscribe need windows ?	03:21
juliux	Yagisan, because you write with the cd burner on the other side of the blank cd	03:22
Katsumoto	hmm I have a question..I'd like to access my other computer downstairs, but when I double click on the edubuntu server (Samba, Ubuntu) (Edubuntu) icon in MShome I have to give a password...	03:22
juliux	Yagisan, and that what i have read is that it at the moment only possible with nero	03:22
mhz	juliux: then my humble vote is NOT fro lightscribe	03:23
mhz	fro =for	03:23
juliux	mhz, that was clear	03:23
Katsumoto	any1 know which password I need in order to access my edubuntu computer via windows ?	03:24
mhz	Katsumoto: I have never used Samba yet (only Linux environments :) ) but I guess it is a protocol feature. Passwords are supposed to be more secure ;)	03:24
mhz	juliux: hehehe, sorry to be that "extremist"	03:25
juliux	mhz, normaly i also think so	03:25
Katsumoto	yeh oke, but that username/password should be the same as my login when I log on to edubuntu?	03:25
juliux	mhz, i have no skype installed because it isn't free	03:25
mhz	juliux: in the history of humankind, Freedom has ALWAYS come with a price	03:25
Yagisan	Katsumoto: have you tried a blank password ?	03:26
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Katsumoto	nope	03:26
mhz	I am happy to pay for freedom, evethough sometime I look around and feel tempted with more beautiful features.	03:26
Katsumoto	won'tdon't work	03:27
Katsumoto	dwont work*	03:27
Katsumoto	lol	03:27
mhz	Katsumoto: if that doesn't work, assign guindows a password	03:27
mhz	jehehehe	03:27
Katsumoto	lol :P	03:27
Yagisan	Katsumoto: K, try you edubuntu username/password	03:27
mhz	and then retry	03:27
Yagisan	All, is samba set up by default onder edubuntu ?	03:27
Yagisan	s/onder/under	03:28
mhz	hmmm, I guess	03:28
mhz	it's ubuntu in the end :)	03:28
Katsumoto	nope edubunto usr/pass won't work either	03:28
Yagisan	mhz, in "ubuntu" samba is not set up by default	03:28
Katsumoto	hm	03:28
mhz	oohhh	03:28
Yagisan	if it isn't set up, that would explain why Katsumoto can't log in	03:29
mhz	Yagisan: are you 100% sure?	03:29
Katsumoto	yeh	03:29
Katsumoto	I'll check if it's installed.	03:29
mhz	IIRC, once you connect a Guindows and Ubuntu, they both talk nicely	03:29
Yagisan	mhz: 99% - I haven't deployed samba since I switched from debian	03:29
mhz	and Ubuntu sees Guindows partitions	03:30
mhz	well, maybe i was drunk	03:30
mhz	:)	03:30
Yagisan	Is the samba smbpasswd file populated with the edubuntu login names and passwds ?	03:30
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Yagisan	if it is, then it should work "out of the box"	03:31
mhz_cooking	yup, u're right. I haven't checked thou	03:31
juliux	Yagisan, that could be but you can also make extra passwords	03:31
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mhz_cooking	JaneW: and thx again for helping me get what we need here	03:31
Yagisan	juliux: Of course - I'm just curious about how is is configured by default in edubuntu	03:31
juliux	Yagisan, hm wait a moment i will take a look into the smb.conf	03:32
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Yagisan	btw juliux, perhaps lightscribe isn't a good idea, if we can make it under linux. It would suck to be asked "how did you make this ?" and have to say Windows	03:33
Yagisan	s/can make/can't make/	03:33
juliux	Yagisan, i know	03:33
mhz_cooking	it would mean that our manifesto sucks	03:33
Yagisan	juliux: but if you could reverse engineer it, it would be cool :)	03:33
mhz_cooking	lol	03:33
mhz_cooking	hacking lightscribe	03:34
mhz_cooking	hacking lightscribe	03:34
mhz_cooking	hacking lightscribe	03:34
mhz_cooking	hacking lightscribe	03:34
mhz_cooking	hacking lightscribe	03:34
juliux	# This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the Unix	03:34
juliux	# password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the	03:34
juliux	# passdb is changed.	03:34
juliux	; unix password sync = no	03:34
juliux	# For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the following	03:34
juliux	# parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton <aluton@hybrigenics.fr> for	03:34
juliux	# sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian Potato).	03:34
mhz_cooking	hehehe	03:34
juliux	passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u	03:34
juliux	passwd chat = Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword: %n\n Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword: %n\n .	03:34
juliux	# This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes	03:34
juliux	# when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in	03:34
juliux	# 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.	03:34
juliux	; pam password change = no	03:34
juliux	Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix password	03:34
juliux	Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix passwords	03:34
Yagisan	yep - seems to be not configured	03:35
juliux	other opinions?	03:35
jsgotangco	im going back later	03:36
jsgotangco	brb	03:36
juliux	has some on of you tested ControlAulas ?	03:36
Yagisan	juliux: I think that while samba is running, it is probably only appearing in the network browse lists	03:36
Yagisan	juliux: most likely need to tell samba who the authorised users are, or enable guest access	03:37
juliux	Yagisan, if i find time i will build up here a little test network to play with the edubuntu server much more	03:37
Yagisan	Katsumoto: try username Guest with no password	03:37
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juliux	cool http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010 this i will test on our first fair where we have more than one client	03:39
Yagisan	Can anyone suggest any nice online C tutorials ?	03:42
juliux	Yagisan, puh, i have only books here about c	03:42
juliux	Yagisan, there was a time where i have very much money and by every book i want	03:43
juliux	s/by/buy	03:43
Yagisan	juliux: I had a time like that - it was 2BC	03:43
juliux	Yagisan, 2BC ?	03:43
Yagisan	2 years Before Children	03:43
juliux	Yagisan, ah	03:43
juliux	Yagisan, by me it was the time befor study	03:44
Yagisan	I am a low level x86 asm programmer - I'd like to learn C now	03:44
juliux	Yagisan, if you are a student and work in a week 5-10hours for 25 you have very much money	03:44
juliux	Yagisan, hehe i didnt love asm very much	03:45
Yagisan	brb - baby	03:45
juliux	ok	03:45
Katsumoto	ehm no didn't work either	03:45
Katsumoto	I can enter everything else	03:45
Katsumoto	except the Edubuntu (server)	03:45
Katsumoto	I can't login via windows nor linux	03:46
Katsumoto	tried different usernames/passwords	03:46
Katsumoto	but no luck at all	03:46
Yagisan	re	03:46
Yagisan	Katsumoto: that seems to be because samba hasn't been configured to know who can access what - so it is set to deny all	03:47
Katsumoto	ah oke..	03:47
Katsumoto	where can this be configured?	03:48
Yagisan	juliux: I loved asm - I like the complete control	03:48
Yagisan	juliux: but I need C for my .debs	03:48
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Yagisan	Katsumoto: there is an application called swat - on the edubuntu server you should be able to access it	03:50
Katsumoto	think I just installed that, yes	03:51
Katsumoto	I'll see what I can find out	03:51
Yagisan	by loading http://127.0.0.1:901 in your browser IIRC	03:51
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Yagisan	juliux: have you seen the GNU C Programming Tutorial (Edition 4.1) ?	03:54
juliux	Yagisan, no	03:54
juliux	Yagisan, i am no developer	03:54
Katsu2	could you repeat what you said earlier to Katsumoto Yagisan?	03:55
Katsu2	the ip	03:55
juliux	Yagisan, i can see the code and can understand what it make, and can write little programms	03:55
Yagisan	Katsu: http://127.0.0.1:901	03:55
Yagisan	Katsu2 ^	03:56
Katsu2	thanks	03:56
Katsu2	the connection was refused	03:57
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Yagisan	Katsu2: Then swat isn't enabled either	03:58
Katsu2	hmm let me relog	03:59
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Yagisan	night all	04:01
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juliux	gn8 Yagisan	04:01
Yagisan	Katsu2: more info on samba is @ www.samba.org	04:01
Yagisan	night'	04:02
Katsu2	thnx	04:02
Katsu2	good night :) and thanks	04:02
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jsgotangco	re	04:51
juliux	wb	04:51
jsgotangco	hey juliux	04:52
jark	\\\\	04:58
jark	'	04:58
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admin_	hi	05:13
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vzl	hey	05:17
vzl	I need help with switching servers, can anyone help?	05:18
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vzl	I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu	05:22
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vzl	I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu	05:55
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chang-xi	vzl:They should work just as easily.	05:59
vincenzio	chang-xi: they don't- they get dhcp and then can't continue booting.	06:02
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vzl	they say pxelinux.0 is not a valid file.	06:04
vzl	and then they sleep, abort, and then cycle through dhcp again	06:04
chang-xi	vincenzio: My test machine does it with onboard pxe. I will test the etherboot tonight,and report back.meanwhile verify your eth0 & eth1. check your ltsp.conf file if everything is setup right.	06:05
ogra	vzl, make sure you have mknbi (from universe) installed and run sudo ltsp-update-kernels	06:06
ogra	(etherboot wasnt tested very much in the last release)	06:06
lucasvo	ogra: problems with ltsp again	06:07
vincenzio	apt-get install mknbi?	06:07
ogra	vincenzio, yes, with universe enabled	06:09
ogra	lucasvo, ?	06:09
lucasvo	ogra: my ltsp.conf isn't changing anything	06:09
ogra	the file is named lts.conf ?	06:09
vzl	by universe you mean in sources.list?	06:09
ogra	or ltsp.conf	06:09
ogra	vzl, yup	06:09
vzl	doing the update now	06:10
vzl	is this documented anywhere?	06:10
ogra	on the ltsp.org wiki only for now ..	06:10
lucasvo	http://pastebin.com/435695 < ltsp.conf X screen resolution doesn't work	06:11
ogra	as i said, etherboot didnt recieve much (if any) testing during breezy ... i have a etherboot capable card now to make sure it works for dapper	06:11
vzl	ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.	06:12
vzl	now what?	06:12
ogra	lucasvo, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams	06:12
ogra	lucasvo, use the X	06:13
ogra	_HORZSYNC	06:13
ogra	and X_VERTREFRESH values, not X_MODE ... and make sure the file is called lts.conf not ltsp.conf	06:13
ogra	whoops	06:13
ogra	X_HORIZSYNC	06:13
lucasvo	ogra: it is called lts.conf	06:14
ogra	ok	06:14
ogra	just because you kept calling it ltsp.conf	06:14
ogra	:)	06:14
lucasvo	ogra: how can I find out vertrefresh	06:14
lucasvo	ogra: I copied it and both existed because I didn't knwo the name	06:14
ogra	find some documentation about your monitor	06:15
lucasvo	ogra: I even filed a bug with attached xlog but didn't change yet...	06:15
vzl	ogra, so, etherboot...	06:15
vzl	ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.	06:15
vzl	what next?	06:15
ogra	does it boot ?	06:15
vzl	nop	06:16
ogra	:(	06:16
vzl	same message	06:16
ogra	lucasvo, you copied what ?	06:16
lucasvo	ogra: lts.conf to ltsp.conf	06:16
ogra	lucasvo, it will work if you use the right values ...	06:17
ogra	whats the bugnumber ?	06:17
vzl	no better ideas?	06:18
chang-xi	vzl: you might try to redo the etherboot disk & see if it has ssh switch settings.	06:18
vzl	no boot disk involved- booting off the rom on a linksys card with an etherboot eeprom	06:18
lucasvo	[Bug 17232] Problems with xorg, autodetection of MGA 200 and SDM-M51	06:18
vzl	it's a tulip based card	06:19
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lucasvo	ogra: X_HORZSYNC = 75Hz	06:22
lucasvo	^^ correct?	06:22
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ogra	grumble	06:28
ogra	lucasvo, if you talked to me the last 10 mins, you must repeat, my line dropped	06:28
vzl	bah humbug	06:29
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ogra	vzl, not only you :)	06:30
vincenzio	if etherboot can work, I'm set.	06:34
vincenzio	if I can't get it going...	06:34
vincenzio	bummer.	06:34
vincenzio	it means these 8 etherboot clients all with the same card in them are stuck.	06:34
lucasvo	ogra: yes I did	06:35
ogra	lucasvo, repeat then :)	06:35
ogra	vincenzio, do you have any other opportunity, CD or floppy ? then you can use a etherboot image from rom-o-matic, they offer them with PXE emulation	06:36
lucasvo	ogra: I found out that it is wrong by mnyself, I first have to do some research	06:36
ogra	oki	06:37
lucasvo	google is quite slow, isn't it?	06:37
lucasvo	ogra: I have in datasheet horizontal frequency: 28 to 64hz and vertical frequency:48-75hz	06:40
lucasvo	ogra: so what do I need to set?	06:40
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vincenzio	ogra: these machines, the bios pays no attention to floppy, no cdrom or hdd installed, so it jumps right to the rom on the ethernet card.	06:45
vincenzio	and they worked with k12ltsp on fedora core1.	06:45
vincenzio	but core1 is ancient.	06:45
vincenzio	edubuntu is so much nicer.	06:45
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lucasvo_	crap	06:45
lucasvo_	I have my screen	06:46
lucasvo_	ups	06:46
lucasvo_	s/have/hate/g	06:46
lucasvo_	do you also have problems with screens, that it hangs time-by-time?	06:46
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lucasvo	ogra: installing edubuntu-server has deleted my ltsp configs... :(	07:06
lucasvo	ogra: is there a way how to remove ltsp built in server?	07:07
lucasvo	ogra: I mean dhcp?	07:07
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ogra	just apt-get remove dhcp3-server ....	07:07
ogra	(this will also remove ltsp-server-standalone, but leave you ltsp-server)	07:08
lucasvo	ogra: ah, I know, it has overwritten my dhcpd.conf so didn't work anymore	07:10
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lucasvo	xdmcp Yes no no kdm Using: none! < what's wrong, I tried to enable gdm but didn't work	07:12
ogra	we dont use X over tcp in ubuntu/edubuntu	07:12
ogra	xdmcp wont work	07:12
lucasvo	ogra: ah ok	07:14
lucasvo	ogra: is there some ubuntu mirror to get ltsp packages?	07:14
ogra	its in breezy	07:15
lucasvo	so do I need to update ltsp packages in the ltspadmin?	07:15
ogra	eek	07:15
lucasvo	no?	07:15
ogra	dont use ltspadmin with edubuntu	07:16
ogra	that will break everything	07:16
lucasvo	ogra: what else?	07:16
lucasvo	ogra: how should I enable portmap, nfs, dhcp?	07:16
ogra	ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone, but not ltspadmin, that the old implementation of ltsp	07:16
ogra	you dont	07:16
ogra	the packages do it for you...	07:16
chang-xi	ogra: why is the edubuntu thinclient bootup sooo much slower than standard ltsp with xdisplay?	07:17
ogra	but if you ever had installed/tried to use both at the same time, your system might be completely broken	07:17
ogra	chang-xi, because we used all the standard bootscripts, and because the autodetection of the X server settings takes about 20 seconds alone (the time classic ltsp needs to boot)	07:18
ogra	the bootscripts will go away in dapper ...	07:18
ogra	as well as most of the hardware detection stuff will be sped up... but the X detection will remain this slow ...	07:19
ogra	current bootime in breezy is ~90 sec ... my local dapper setup here already is at 60 sec ... we'll get to 45 in dapper at release time...	07:20
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chang-xi	ogra: okay thanks. Will dapper implement schooltool-2006 & TeacherTool?	07:20
ogra	TeacherTool doesnt work with ubuntu ltsp ...	07:21
\sh	ogra: please send me as well all packages which has to be merged from universe for edubuntu...if u need some..thx :)	07:21
chang-xi	ogra: iknow, itried it.	07:21
ogra	chang-xi, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/	07:21
ogra	thats what i hope to get ready for dapper (in case enough people help developing it)	07:21
ogra	and indeed we'll have the latest schooltool release included ;)	07:22
ogra	(the latest that was available at upstream version freeze around end of february)	07:22
ogra	s/was/is	07:23
ogra	so if the schooltool guys are fast enough ...	07:23
ajmitch_	ogra: try & get moodle in main this time round? :)	07:23
ogra	would be nice ... but currently my priorities are all ltsp ... if there is time left before UVF we'll get it in	07:23
ogra	but the debconf changes are not trivial...	07:24
chang-xi	the new schooltool-2006 might be just as good as moodle.	07:24
ogra	i havent seen it yet	07:25
chang-xi	They are listing a bunch of new stuff on the website for inclusion in ver 2006	07:26
chang-xi	The only problem with TeacherTool, is that it's using connectd clients via x-display not ssh.	07:28
ogra	and all functions are waved around this ...	07:28
ogra	so the adjustments are nearly a rewrite	07:28
chang-xi	yes , i have been in touch with the author , who might just do that.	07:29
ogra	s-c-p is already dealing with ssh connections, but missing the vnc part and remote execution parts ...	07:29
ogra	and its much more HIG compliant	07:29
ogra	the problem is to get these things to work safely ... the vnc solutions i have sen so far made me run away screaming ...	07:32
chang-xi	ogra: as it stands now, what then is the best way to see who is connected, (connected thinclients)?	07:35
ogra	s-c-p	07:35
chang-xi	do i run it from terminal?	07:36
ogra	its in dapper... as soon as its more usefull than for killing client sessions and showing the procs, i'll ask for a backport	07:36
ogra	nope, it installs in the System menu	07:36
chang-xi	so now, the only way is via ps & see the clients connected ip over ssh?	07:37
ogra	yup	07:37
ogra	you wont see the ip ;)	07:38
chang-xi	I do.	07:38
ogra	not with ltsp	07:38
ogra	only if you have a normal ssh connection...	07:38
chang-xi	i did last night.yes indeed.	07:38
ogra	the ltsp connection has no pty assigned ...	07:39
chang-xi	I will get the code snipit,stndby.	07:39
ogra	so you wont be able to get the ip anywhere .... in dapper we have ESPEAKER set in the environment of the session...	07:39
ogra	since this points to the ltsp client you will be able to see it there	07:40
chang-xi	ogra: try this with clients connected- ps eaxww\|grep "bash -c env LTSP_CLIENT"\|grep -v grep	07:41
chang-xi	as root	07:42
ogra	nope	07:42
ogra	oh, sorry typo...	07:43
ogra	indeed, this works at least with daper ... i have no breezy around ... but see the s-c-p source ;)	07:44
ogra	*dapper	07:45
ogra	it uses the sae command ...	07:45
ogra	*same	07:45
chang-xi	okay i'll wait for the backport then. thanks	07:46
ogra	i think you can just use the dapper package directly ... its plain python if you want to play with it	07:46
ogra	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/student-control-panel/student-control-panel_0.1_all.deb	07:47
ogra	and feel free to bzr get the bazaar archive from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ and send patches	07:47
ogra	;)	07:48
chang-xi	okay thanks	07:48
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the_CName	elo	08:46
the_CName	have you a channel in french language ?!	08:46
ogra	not for edubuntu specific stuff ...	08:48
ogra	but else there is #ubuntu-fr	08:48
the_CName	thanks, but it's more generalist	08:51
the_CName	ok, i've install the edubuntu with LTSP Server ... and i search info to config workstation	08:52
the_CName	in X station	08:53
ogra	you dont configure the workstation at all... its a thin client server ...	08:54
ogra	all you need to make sure is that the clients boot via PXE and ahve them attached to the server	08:56
the_CName	and if i not PXE but a minimalistic linux with X ?	08:57
ogra	that wont work unless you install the minimal X part from ubuntu ...	08:58
ogra	ubuntu/edubuntu doesnt use X over tcp but uses ssh tunneling, that wont work with your approach out of the box	08:59
ogra	but if you have a local device to boot rom, i'd suggest wiping the local linux and X from it and install a rom-o-matic PXE bootrom instead	09:00
ogra	s/to boot rom/to boot from/	09:01
ogra	http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe	09:01
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the_CName	ok	09:02
the_CName	PXE is a rom for ethernet boot, isn't-it ?	09:03
ogra	PXE is a specification from intel ... it replaces the old etherboot mechanism	09:03
ogra	its built in in most of the recent network cards	09:04
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littlepaul	i just installed edubuntu-desktopn on breezy and got some dependency errors http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/573	09:55
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paolob	Hi gusy! I'm trying to connect to a edubuntu server with a dell pc equipped with a 3com 3c905-txm nic, but when I boot the client diskette (I prepared it myself generating the correct zdsk image) all I get is: "Loading ROM image.." and then a succession of lines saying: "100C AX:0212 BX:2400 CX:0001 DX:0100". What does it mean?	11:41
paolob	thank you!	11:41
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