[12:12] <mhz> strusberg: please visit http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/ItLa/talk
[12:13] <mhz> strusberg: could you?
[12:13] <mhz> strusberg_: coudl you?
[12:14] <mhz> could
[12:14] <strusberg> mhz: Checking...
[12:14] <mhz> hehe
[12:14] <mhz> 2 strusbergs around
[12:14] <mhz> strusberg: password freedom
[12:14] <mhz> small detail :D
[12:14] <mhz> it was either a stupid typo
[12:14] <mhz> or cache
[12:15] <mhz> my guess is typo
[12:16] <mhz> ;-)
[12:16] <strusberg> :-) wrong password
[12:17] <strusberg> :-(
[12:17] <mhz> freedom?
[12:18] <strusberg> yep
[12:18] <mhz> hmmm
[12:19] <mhz> hmm, weired
[12:19] <mhz> I am gonna change it
[12:20] <mhz> user: RicardoStrusberg
[12:20] <mhz> password: uno
[12:20] <mhz> please copy/paste
[12:20] <mhz> in case is typo
[12:21] <mhz> and please do change password once you login :)
[12:22] <mhz> strusberg: could you?
[12:23] <strusberg> mhz: Not working yet. Maybe some strusberg for this irc is going first :-)
[12:23] <mhz> heheh
[12:23] <mhz> but I can do it successfully
[12:24] <mhz> 4 times, actually
[12:24] <mhz> strusberg: I guess you copied pasted
[12:24] <mhz> right?
[12:24] <strusberg> mhz: Nop
[12:24] <mhz> could you c/p?
[12:25] <strusberg> sure
[12:25] <mhz> thx
[12:25] <strusberg> idem
[12:25] <mhz> hmmm
[12:26] <mhz> how about RicardoStrusberg and 'email me my account' ?
[12:26] <mhz> strusberg: you gotta provide your latinux email thou
[12:26] <mhz> try that
[12:27] <strusberg> I tried and I have received this:
[12:27] <strusberg> Somebody has requested to submit your account data to this email address.
[12:27] <strusberg> If you lost your password, please use the data below and just enter the
[12:27] <strusberg> password AS SHOWN into the wiki's password form field (use copy and paste
[12:27] <strusberg> for that).
[12:27] <strusberg> After successfully logging in, it is of course a good idea to set a new and known password.
[12:27] <strusberg> You see? No password.
[12:28] <mhz> I just did it and I got Mail sent ok
[12:28] <mhz> (I only provided RicardoStrusberg and strusberg@latinux.org, then pressed email me button)
[12:29] <strusberg> I got the e-mail but with no password inside.
[12:29] <mhz> impossible
[12:29] <mhz> there should be an url to visit
[12:29] <mhz> and login automatically so you can change your password
[12:30] <mhz> once loged in
[12:30] <strusberg> Ok. I forward the e-mail to mhz@tec...
[12:30] <mhz> perfect
[12:30] <mhz> I am sorry to be causing you these troubles
[12:30] <mhz> 1st time i see this
[12:30] <strusberg> Me too
[12:31] <mhz> you received it gmail?
[12:31] <mhz> not in latinux?
[12:32] <mhz> the email with the password was sent to latinux?
[12:32] <strusberg> Uhmm
[12:32] <strusberg> Let me check.
[12:34] <strusberg> checking...
[12:35] <strusberg> mhz: Bingo!!
[12:35] <mhz> cool
[12:35] <mhz> maybe it was a typo or cahce
[12:35] <mhz> cache
[12:35] <mhz> but I doubt cache because I deleted it on the server side
[12:36] <mhz> that's why I suggested copy paste for UserName and password
[12:36] <mhz> col
[12:36] <mhz> cool
[12:36] <mhz> strusberg: so you have access to ACL pages for ItLaGroup
[12:36] <mhz> ?
[12:36] <strusberg> FYI: Ok. I can view ../talk but no ItLaGroup
[12:36] <mhz> ofcourse
[12:37] <mhz> *Group pages are All:   
[12:37] <mhz> so only Admins can view them
[12:37] <strusberg> mhz: Ok.
[12:37] <mhz> the important thing is now you have full access to ItLa pages
[12:38] <mhz> and from monday on, you'll have access to revert as well
[12:38] <mhz> strusberg: i gotta take care of my daughter for a while and be back
[12:38] <strusberg> mhz: What do you think about ItLA+Ebuntu EngineerCertification
[12:39] <mhz> what do you think my opinion is?
[12:39] <mhz> however, I'd say Ubuntu. (Edubuntu is just a flavour + very socially oriented)
[12:41] <mhz> Edubuntu is LTSP flavoured + some admin basic knowledge
[12:41] <mhz> hence, it is indeed a good idea to get training
[12:41] <mhz> but I doubt it is 'engeneer' qualified :)
[12:42] <mhz> unless, of course there are more issues that provide that extra that the word engeneer gives.
[01:01] <mhz_family> strusberg: if possible, wiki a personal page :)
[02:05] <mhz_family> arkan0x: ping
[02:11] <arkan0x> mhz_family, pong
[02:18] <mhz> re
[02:32] <mhz> arkan0x: quien va manana?
[02:33] <arkan0x> no sep mhz 
[02:33] <mhz> hmm
[02:34] <mhz> y como sera coordinado quienes iran?
[02:35] <arkan0x> se supone ke los ke puedan van , osea por horario de oficina todos podrian ir despues de la 7
[02:36] <arkan0x> XD
[02:36] <mhz> ya, y desde que hora deberia haber gente?
[04:16] <mhz> Burgundavia: ping
[04:17] <Burgundavia> mhz, pong
[04:17] <mhz> hi there
[04:17] <mhz> I got a small prob.
[04:17] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:18] <mhz> I have no clue how to edit the SVG files regarding the clarifying notes you stated
[04:18] <Burgundavia> you don't know how to word it?
[04:18] <mhz> I mean, I can't seem to find the way to edit texts in the 'circle'
[04:19] <mhz> all horizontal texts, no prob.
[04:19] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:19] <Burgundavia> jsut a sec, let me try
[04:19] <mhz> okidoki
[04:19] <mhz> but
[04:20] <mhz> you should try the files in EdubuntuCd... redirecting
[04:20] <mhz> the new page does not have any svg
[04:20] <mhz> and yes, I decided to give a more universal name to it
[04:21] <mhz> esp. because juliux pointed that label was more suitable.
[04:26] <Burgundavia> it is not text
[04:26] <Burgundavia> it is has traced to shapes
[04:26] <mhz> no clue how to deal with it
[04:27] <Burgundavia> did you create that svg?
[04:27] <mhz> nope
[04:27] <mhz> We usually work: I propose the design and Pablo does it
[04:27] <mhz> and re-propose
[04:28] <Burgundavia> you need to get the original svgs from him
[04:28] <mhz> those are not original?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> I think they have been prepared for printing
[04:28] <Burgundavia> or something
[04:28] <mhz> ok,
[04:29] <mhz> I'll ask him
[04:29] <mhz> the good thing it that it was made 100% in Inkscape
[04:29] <mhz> (free as in freedom) :D
[04:29] <mhz> thx for checking
[04:30] <Burgundavia> I think that is what it is
[05:25] <DaBass> is there a edubuntu distro on internet?
[05:25] <DaBass> i don't mean iso
[05:26] <Burgundavia> what do you mean?
[05:26] <Burgundavia> "on the internet">
[05:26] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:26] <DaBass> i maen mirror where i could poit to to do netinstall
[05:27] <DaBass> does anybody know how to do netinstall
[05:27] <DaBass> ?
[05:29] <DaBass> burgundavia?
[05:29] <Burgundavia> yep?
[05:30] <DaBass> can you help with pcmcia?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> might
[05:30] <DaBass> doring boot i get pcmcia not pressent
[05:30] <DaBass> i have ethernet card in pcmcia
[05:31] <DaBass> it has worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:32] <DaBass> it worked untill i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:35] <DaBass> do you know what could be wrong?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> sorry, nope
[05:35] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[05:41] <DaBass> do you know something about the netinstall
[05:41] <mhz> i have done it
[05:41] <DaBass> how?
[05:41] <mhz> DaBass: how are you doing it?
[05:42] <DaBass> well throug debian bootdisks
[05:42] <mhz> hmm
[05:42] <DaBass> and debootstrap that did not work
[05:42] <mhz> have you tried netbooting but via HD?
[05:43] <DaBass> then i did basic install of debian and did the apt-get dist-update
[05:43] <DaBass> but now my pcmcia dont work
[05:43] <DaBass> no
[05:43] <DaBass> how
[05:43] <mhz> I mean: Editing grub to give options to boot from net (other box that contains CD or iso)?
[05:43] <DaBass> no i am listenning
[05:44] <mhz> PCMCIA will not work for boot time, afaik
[05:44] <mhz> ok, let me get you the url i used
[05:44] <mhz> what OS do you have in current machine you wanna install?
[05:44] <DaBass> cripled edubuntu
[05:44] <DaBass> ;-)
[05:44] <mhz> hehehe
[05:45] <mhz> and what do you want there?
[05:45] <DaBass> well i would like to make this notebook so kids could pay with it
[05:45] <DaBass> it might not even work
[05:45] <DaBass> *play
[05:46] <mhz> DaBass: so you have edubuntu on it already?
[05:46] <DaBass> well kind of
[05:46] <mhz> only PCMCIA not working?
[05:46] <DaBass> i did the install of debian and then did the distribution update
[05:46] <DaBass> yep
[05:46] <mhz> uhhh
[05:47] <mhz> does that laptop boot from Cd/
[05:47] <mhz> ?
[05:47] <DaBass> and while booting it stops 4 times and sais something about dma timeout
[05:47] <DaBass> no
[05:47] <DaBass> it has no cdrom
[05:47] <mhz> ok, mine neither
[05:47] <DaBass> while it was debian it worked ok
[05:48] <mhz> so from Debian you moved to edubuntu?
[05:48] <DaBass> yep
[05:48] <mhz> oh, i see
[05:49] <mhz> and what procedure you followed to do the 'migration'? any wiki doc?
[05:49] <DaBass> it was the process : i instaled simple debian and wanted to instal edubuntu over it by apt-get distr-update
[05:49] <DaBass> wait
[05:50] <DaBass> not exactly folowed but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86962
[05:53] <mhz> check this out while I read your url :)
[05:53] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[05:54] <DaBass> i didnot read the one i gave you through, i got to the midle of second page where it sais it could be posible ;-)
[05:55] <DaBass> but my friend told me, he did it, to look it up
[05:57] <mhz> I have not installed ubuntu or edubuntu from debian, but I did install editing Grub and making it boot from a server (TFTP)
[05:59] <DaBass> but you said it won't take pcmcia right?
[06:00] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/Netboot
[06:00] <DaBass> i have tried the debootstrab from debian installation as it sais here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[06:01] <mhz> right
[06:01] <mhz> I have never made it via PCMCIA because it is loades after soem steps
[06:01] <DaBass> but it did not work
[06:01] <mhz> steps which I cant get to
[06:01] <DaBass> besides is there a mirror for edubuntu?
[06:02] <mhz> yup but edubunt does not provide netboot
[06:02] <mhz> only ubuntu does
[06:02] <mhz> neither kubuntu
[06:02] <DaBass> what cant u get to?
[06:02] <mhz> to previous loading so  PCMCIA boots ok
[06:02] <mhz> so I ended up using
[06:03] <mhz> TFTP booting
[06:03] <DaBass> ok i missed the first sentence
[06:04] <DaBass> why is there no mirror for edubuntu/kbuntu?
[06:08] <mhz> there is
[06:08] <mhz> but not for netboot
[06:09] <mhz> edubuntu and kubunt are just desktop settings flavors
[06:09] <mhz> so the mirror is ubuntu 
[06:10] <DaBass> well i am going try the debootstrap again
[06:10] <mhz> ok
[06:11] <DaBass> well 2 days ago i knew almost nothing about linux install now i am getting better
[06:11] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:11] <mhz> hehhe
[06:11] <mhz> congrats
[06:11] <mhz> keep up the good work
[06:12] <mhz> however, AFAIK, debootstrap is longer way than netbooting using th elast url
[06:13] <DaBass> but you said it doesnt work with pcmcia
[06:13] <mhz> yup
[06:13] <mhz> ohhh
[06:13] <mhz> tight
[06:14] <mhz> right
[06:14] <mhz> no other eth0 but PCMCIA?
[06:14] <mhz> is your HD partitioned?
[06:15] <mhz> IIRC, you could also install from within the HD if it is already partitioned
[06:15] <DaBass> it has 1.5 giga
[06:15] <mhz> so, you simply edit your bootloader (grub) and...
[06:15] <mhz> oh
[06:15] <mhz> :D
[06:15] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:15] <mhz> you can't install edubuntu on it
[06:15] <DaBass> it maight not even work
[06:16] <DaBass> it just good experience
[06:16] <mhz> you may try DamnSmallLinux
[06:16] <DaBass> not whole but part at least
[06:16] <mhz> it is only 50 MB
[06:16] <mhz> and it's quite excellent
[06:16] <DaBass> it has X?
[06:16] <mhz> yup!
[06:17] <mhz> it is excellent!
[06:17] <mhz> esp. for cases like yours
[06:17] <DaBass> what about all those educational programs and games?
[06:17] <DaBass> i am newbe to linux remeber
[06:17] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:18] <mhz> plus, it also installs its Hardware database. So if you install it to a HD on a different pc, then you change the HD to pc #2 and it will automatically recognize new hardware
[06:18] <mhz> all those applications (depending on how much space you have left) can be manually installed
[06:18] <mhz> they are in debian and so is D.S.L
[06:19] <mhz> edubuntu is= Ubuntu + LTSP + set of edu applications
[06:19] <DaBass> sounds more realistic
[06:19] <mhz> indeed
[06:19] <mhz> I promise yo wont regret it
[06:19] <DaBass> ok
[06:19] <DaBass> i am gonna try
[06:20] <mhz> and is rthere any chance you can take the HD out?
[06:21] <DaBass> well might be
[06:21] <mhz> and coulkd you place it onto a diff laptop that boots from CD?
[06:21] <DaBass> why i can't install dsl over net either?
[06:21] <DaBass> too much hasle ;-)
[06:21] <mhz> you could
[06:21] <mhz> but remember
[06:22] <mhz> that in order to make PCMCIA work
[06:22] <mhz> some modules need to get loaded first
[06:23] <mhz> and that is not possible AFAIK, unless we're talking about an already installed OS
[06:23] <mhz> not a "about to install" one
[06:23] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:24] <DaBass> well the debian bootdisks load everithing to make pcmcia work so did slackware
[06:24] <mhz> yup
[06:25] <mhz> because they install from scratch
[06:25] <mhz> so will gentoo
[06:25] <mhz> ubuntu is not made for such purposes
[06:25] <mhz> not from scratch
[06:26] <DaBass> so lets say i am in middle of debian instalation which is loaded in memory right?
[06:26] <mhz> depends
[06:26] <DaBass> i can switch to console
[06:26] <mhz> yup
[06:26] <DaBass> what can i doo from there?
[06:26] <mhz> hmmm very little
[06:26] <DaBass> ;-)
[06:26] <mhz> it only a busy box
[06:27] <mhz> maybe from Gentoo
[06:27] <mhz> you'll be able to do much more
[06:27] <mhz> in that phase
[06:27] <mhz> Gentoo is a installable OS and a powerfull command line LiveCD
[06:28] <DaBass> i need something that works out of floppy
[06:29] <mhz> debian from scratch
[06:29] <mhz> maybe even D.S.L
[06:29] <mhz> why not trying booting and installing from HD?
[06:30] <DaBass> but how?
[06:30] <mhz> hmm, let me get ya an url
[06:31] <mhz> meantime: theory says, edit grub and tell it to boot from an iso in your HD partition (different from the one grub is)
[06:33] <mhz> well I had this http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/HardDriveAndPcmcia
[06:36] <mhz> now, let me get the one from HD
[06:38] <DaBass> ok
[06:49] <mhz> DaBass: I am falling asleep :)
[06:49] <mhz> sorry
[06:50] <mhz> I do remember in Debian.org there is a doc to install from HD
[06:50] <mhz> DaBass: I hope you get it working
[06:50] <mhz> good night
[11:05] <redbass> hi 
[11:05] <redbass> aninoe can help me?
[11:05] <redbass> i have problem vith ltsp
[11:05] <redbass> i install the last ver of edubuntu
[11:05] <redbass> and i start my terminals....
[11:06] <redbass> but i try to write the login end pwd ... but the keyboard don't work...
[11:06] <redbass> what i can do?
[02:22] <jark> hello
[02:22] <jark> can i ask a question here?
[02:23] <jark> i got a problem with my edubuntu installation, it won't login after the ltsp-boot is there any way to troubleshoot this?
[02:50] <jark> hello, anyone here?
[02:51] <Yagisan> G'day jark, what's up ?
[02:52] <jark> well i have a problem with the ltsp login in edubuntu
[02:52] <jark> and i can't seem to find the problem
[02:53] <Yagisan> jark - can you log in from a client ?
[02:54] <jark> no thats the problem :S i can login perfectly on the server itself, and the client boots via pxe and gets the graphic screen and all. but when i try to login it just goes back to the login screen
[02:54] <jark> i tried booting it again a couple of times too
[02:54] <Yagisan> on the server run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" then reboot the client and try again
[02:55] <jark> ok i'll try
[02:57] <jark> lol it works!!! thank you very much
[03:01] <Yagisan> your welcome jark
[03:03] <mhz> hi
[03:03] <JaneW> Yagisan: lol, I read that as 'your(sic) welcome jerk'
[03:03] <JaneW> I was going to remind you of our CoC ;)
[03:04] <JaneW> hi mhz
[03:04] <mhz> Yagisan: hey, I forgot to ask...was the delivery process ok for your wife?
[03:04] <jark> lol thats my first name
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: has marilize got back to you yet?
[03:04] <mhz> hi JaneW 
[03:04] <mhz> nope
[03:04] <mhz> but Jane Silber did
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: yes I saw that
[03:04] <JaneW> mhz: I spoke to marilize today and asked her to get on it, and she said she would...
[03:05] <mhz> I am crossing my fingers so I can get that ASAP :)
[03:05] <mhz> JaneW: thx for that support
[03:05] <mhz> JaneW: I have interesting news
[03:05] <juliux> hi mhz 
[03:05] <mhz> I have been asked to talk about Ubuntu/Edubuntu and Free access to knowledge on a TV show (for teens)
[03:06] <mhz> juliux: hi Mr. almos community :D
[03:06] <mhz> juliux: hi Mr. almost community :D
[03:06] <JaneW> mhz: wow, awesome!
[03:06] <juliux> mhz, do you mean me?
[03:06] <JaneW> mhz: you must get the footage for us - if you can...
[03:06] <Yagisan> G'day mhz, wife came home today
[03:06] <mhz> JaneW: indeed. I am preparing material for that now
[03:06] <JaneW> Yagisan: did she have another baby?
[03:07] <Yagisan> JaneW: YES!!!
[03:07] <mhz> JaneW: footage?
[03:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: wow, congrats!
[03:07] <mhz> juliux: yup. Aren't we both waiting for tomorrow's meeting?
[03:07] <juliux> mhz, yes we do
[03:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: to both of you. That makes 2 now right?
[03:07] <mhz> Yagisan: i am very happy for yu 2
[03:08] <mhz> Yagisan: i am very happy for you 4, actually
[03:08] <JaneW> Yagisan: boy or girl?
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Yep, baby number two, thanks
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Boy
[03:08] <mhz> Yagisan: another freedom warrior
[03:08] <JaneW> I love babies
[03:08] <JaneW> cool!
[03:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: Didn't you see the topic ?
[03:09] <mhz> I love my babies over someone else's :D
[03:09] <mhz> JaneW: what you mean by footage for us?
[03:09] <JaneW> mhz: the TV covereage
[03:10] <JaneW> Yagisan: oops no sorry ;)
[03:10] <mhz> ooh, I'll do my best
[03:10] <JaneW> mhz: see photo of my boy from the friday 'garduation' http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/65454879/
[03:10] <JaneW> ack 'Graduation' I meant
[03:10] <mhz> JaneW: in some cultures he'll be in process of becoming a wiser man :)
[03:11] <jsgotangco> hello all
[03:11] <juliux> mhz, Yagisan JaneW what do you think lightscribe edubuntu cds or print on them?
[03:11] <mhz> JaneW: he looks happy. Now, you wont even notice when he asks to have his own flat :)
[03:11] <mhz> jsgotangco: hi there
[03:12] <jsgotangco> how's things?
[03:12] <JaneW> juliux: lightscribe?
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: IMHO, the quality is important but freedom is much more important :)
[03:12] <Yagisan> JaneW: it's a laser etching on the cd
[03:12] <JaneW> mhz: hehe, yes it is a nice photo
[03:12] <jsgotangco> laser etching
[03:12] <JaneW> Yagisan: oic, I think they are usually silkscreened...
[03:12] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:13] <juliux> JaneW, http://www.lightscribe.com/use/winterholidays.aspx?id=226 there a exampls
[03:13] <jsgotangco> ain't that too much
[03:13] <Yagisan> juliux: what's cheaper ?
[03:13] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco, how's you new job?
[03:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: awesome, i'm allowed to play games at work tee hee
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: what is more affordable for you ?
[03:13] <juliux> Yagisan, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Messe_Ideen there is table
[03:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i've just ubuntu-fied the whole office
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: you rock!
[03:14] <juliux> Yagisan, oh sorry it is only german, wait a moment i will translate the table
[03:14] <jsgotangco> 3 of 5 servers now run breezy
[03:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool and cooler!
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: ooops
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: ubuntu domination? :d
[03:14] <jsgotangco> sort of
[03:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:15] <jsgotangco> too bad we don't have linux mobile phones
[03:15] <mhz> oooh
[03:15] <mhz> I envy ya
[03:15] <mhz> :)
[03:15] <JaneW> lightscribing looks cool
[03:16] <Yagisan> juliux: If I understand it, lightscribe costs more
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mhz: its not really fun all the time
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mhz: you're forced to play crappy games even
[03:16] <mhz> JaneW: indeed, but don't that ask you to use propietary IT?
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, that is so not right
[03:16] <Yagisan> juliux: which looks better ?
[03:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehehe
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, lightscribe is only b/w
[03:16] <juliux> Yagisan, printed is color
[03:17] <juliux> Yagisan, we will make this cds just in time on the fairs in germany
[03:18] <mhz> juliux: I like lightscribe idea but I have my concerns regarding potential restrictions. Are there any ?
[03:18] <juliux> mhz,  i don't know
[03:18] <juliux> mhz, but lightscribe only works with windows
[03:18] <Yagisan> juliux: lightscribe is cheaper ? I was looking at "Kosten pro CD/DVD", lightscribe is 0.90, normal is 0.42
[03:19] <juliux> Yagisan, 0.42 is without printing
[03:19] <juliux> Yagisan, check total cost
[03:20] <juliux> Yagisan, i have translate the page now
[03:20] <juliux> Yagisan, the important things
[03:21] <Yagisan> juliux - why does lightscribe need windows ?
[03:22] <juliux> Yagisan, because you write with the cd burner on the other side of the blank cd
[03:22] <Katsumoto> hmm I have a question..I'd like to access my other computer downstairs, but when I double click on the edubuntu server (Samba, Ubuntu) (Edubuntu) icon in MShome I have to give a password...
[03:22] <juliux> Yagisan, and that what i have read is that it at the moment only possible with nero
[03:23] <mhz> juliux: then my humble vote is NOT fro lightscribe
[03:23] <mhz> fro =for
[03:23] <juliux> mhz, that was clear
[03:24] <Katsumoto> any1 know which password I need in order to access my edubuntu computer via windows ?
[03:24] <mhz> Katsumoto: I have never used Samba yet (only Linux environments :) ) but I guess it is a protocol feature. Passwords are supposed to be more secure ;)
[03:25] <mhz> juliux: hehehe, sorry to be that "extremist"
[03:25] <juliux> mhz, normaly i also think so
[03:25] <Katsumoto> yeh oke, but that username/password should be the same as my login when I log on to edubuntu?
[03:25] <juliux> mhz, i have no skype installed because it isn't free 
[03:25] <mhz> juliux: in the history of humankind, Freedom has ALWAYS come with a price
[03:26] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: have you tried a blank password ?
[03:26] <Katsumoto> nope
[03:26] <mhz> I am happy to pay for freedom, evethough sometime I look around and feel tempted with more beautiful features.
[03:27] <Katsumoto> won'tdon't work
[03:27] <Katsumoto> dwont work*
[03:27] <Katsumoto> lol
[03:27] <mhz> Katsumoto: if that doesn't work, assign guindows a password
[03:27] <mhz> jehehehe
[03:27] <Katsumoto> lol :P
[03:27] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: K, try you edubuntu username/password
[03:27] <mhz> and then retry
[03:27] <Yagisan> All, is samba set up by default onder edubuntu ?
[03:28] <Yagisan> s/onder/under
[03:28] <mhz> hmmm, I guess
[03:28] <mhz> it's ubuntu in the end :)
[03:28] <Katsumoto> nope edubunto usr/pass won't work either
[03:28] <Yagisan> mhz, in "ubuntu" samba is not set up by default
[03:28] <Katsumoto> hm
[03:28] <mhz> oohhh
[03:29] <Yagisan> if it isn't set up, that would explain why Katsumoto can't log in
[03:29] <mhz> Yagisan: are you 100% sure? 
[03:29] <Katsumoto> yeh
[03:29] <Katsumoto> I'll check if it's installed.
[03:29] <mhz> IIRC, once you connect a Guindows and Ubuntu, they both talk nicely
[03:29] <Yagisan> mhz: 99% - I haven't deployed samba since I switched from debian
[03:30] <mhz> and Ubuntu sees Guindows partitions
[03:30] <mhz> well, maybe i was drunk
[03:30] <mhz> :)
[03:30] <Yagisan> Is the samba smbpasswd file populated with the edubuntu login names and passwds ?
[03:31] <Yagisan> if it is, then it should work "out of the box"
[03:31] <mhz_cooking> yup, u're right. I haven't checked thou
[03:31] <juliux> Yagisan, that could be but you can also make extra passwords
[03:31] <mhz_cooking> JaneW: and thx again for helping me get what we need here
[03:31] <Yagisan> juliux: Of course - I'm just curious about how is is configured by default in edubuntu
[03:32] <juliux> Yagisan, hm wait a moment i will take a look into the smb.conf
[03:33] <Yagisan> btw juliux, perhaps lightscribe isn't a good idea, if we can make it under linux. It would suck to be asked "how did you make this ?" and have to say Windows
[03:33] <Yagisan> s/can make/can't make/
[03:33] <juliux> Yagisan, i know
[03:33] <mhz_cooking> it would mean that our manifesto sucks
[03:33] <Yagisan> juliux: but if you could reverse engineer it, it would be cool :)
[03:33] <mhz_cooking> lol
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hacking lightscribe
[03:34] <juliux> # This boolean parameter controls whether Samba attempts to sync the Unix
[03:34] <juliux> # password with the SMB password when the encrypted SMB password in the
[03:34] <juliux> # passdb is changed.
[03:34] <juliux> ;   unix password sync = no
[03:34] <juliux> # For Unix password sync to work on a Debian GNU/Linux system, the following
[03:34] <juliux> # parameters must be set (thanks to Augustin Luton <aluton@hybrigenics.fr> for
[03:34] <juliux> # sending the correct chat script for the passwd program in Debian Potato).
[03:34] <mhz_cooking> hehehe
[03:34] <juliux>    passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
[03:34] <juliux>    passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n .
[03:34] <juliux> # This boolean controls whether PAM will be used for password changes
[03:34] <juliux> # when requested by an SMB client instead of the program listed in
[03:34] <juliux> # 'passwd program'. The default is 'no'.
[03:34] <juliux> ;   pam password change = no
[03:34] <juliux> Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix password
[03:34] <juliux> Yagisan, i read it so that there is no sync to the unix passwords
[03:35] <Yagisan> yep - seems to be not configured
[03:35] <juliux> other opinions?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> im going back later
[03:36] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:36] <juliux> has some on of you tested ControlAulas ?
[03:36] <Yagisan> juliux: I think that while samba is running, it is probably only appearing in the network browse lists
[03:37] <Yagisan> juliux: most likely need to tell samba who the authorised users are, or enable guest access
[03:37] <juliux> Yagisan, if i find time i will build up here a little test network to play with the edubuntu server much more
[03:37] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: try username Guest with no password
[03:39] <juliux> cool http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1010 this i will test on our first fair where we have more than one client
[03:42] <Yagisan> Can anyone suggest any nice online C tutorials ?
[03:42] <juliux> Yagisan, puh, i have only books here about c
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, there was a time where i have very much money and by every book i want
[03:43] <juliux> s/by/buy
[03:43] <Yagisan> juliux: I had a time like that - it was 2BC
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, 2BC ?
[03:43] <Yagisan> 2 years Before Children
[03:43] <juliux> Yagisan, ah
[03:44] <juliux> Yagisan, by me it was the time befor study
[03:44] <Yagisan> I am a low level x86 asm programmer - I'd like to learn C now
[03:44] <juliux> Yagisan, if you are a student and work in a week 5-10hours for 25 you have very much money
[03:45] <juliux> Yagisan, hehe i didnt love asm very much
[03:45] <Yagisan> brb - baby
[03:45] <juliux> ok
[03:45] <Katsumoto> ehm no didn't work either
[03:45] <Katsumoto> I can enter everything else
[03:45] <Katsumoto> except the Edubuntu (server)
[03:46] <Katsumoto> I can't login via windows nor linux
[03:46] <Katsumoto> tried different usernames/passwords
[03:46] <Katsumoto> but no luck at all
[03:46] <Yagisan> re
[03:47] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: that seems to be because samba hasn't been configured to know who can access what - so it is set to deny all
[03:47] <Katsumoto> ah oke..
[03:48] <Katsumoto> where can this be configured?
[03:48] <Yagisan> juliux: I loved asm - I like the complete control
[03:48] <Yagisan> juliux: but I need C for my .debs
[03:50] <Yagisan> Katsumoto: there is an application called swat - on the edubuntu server you should be able to access it
[03:51] <Katsumoto> think I just installed that, yes
[03:51] <Katsumoto> I'll see what I can find out
[03:51] <Yagisan> by loading http://127.0.0.1:901 in your browser IIRC
[03:54] <Yagisan> juliux: have you seen the GNU C Programming Tutorial (Edition 4.1) ?
[03:54] <juliux> Yagisan, no
[03:54] <juliux> Yagisan, i am no developer
[03:55] <Katsu2> could you repeat what you said earlier to Katsumoto Yagisan?
[03:55] <Katsu2> the ip 
[03:55] <juliux> Yagisan, i can see the code and can understand what it make, and can write little programms
[03:55] <Yagisan> Katsu: http://127.0.0.1:901 
[03:56] <Yagisan> Katsu2 ^
[03:56] <Katsu2> thanks
[03:57] <Katsu2> the connection was refused
[03:58] <Yagisan> Katsu2: Then swat isn't enabled either
[03:59] <Katsu2> hmm let me relog
[04:01] <Yagisan> night all
[04:01] <juliux> gn8 Yagisan 
[04:01] <Yagisan> Katsu2: more info on samba is @ www.samba.org
[04:02] <Yagisan> night'
[04:02] <Katsu2> thnx 
[04:02] <Katsu2> good night :) and thanks
[04:51] <jsgotangco> re
[04:51] <juliux> wb
[04:52] <jsgotangco> hey juliux 
[04:58] <jark> \\\\  
[04:58] <jark>  '
[05:13] <admin_> hi
[05:17] <vzl> hey
[05:18] <vzl> I need help with switching servers, can anyone help?
[05:22] <vzl> I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu
[05:55] <vzl> I have clients that use etherboot and worked on k12ltsp now i want it to work on edubuntu
[05:59] <chang-xi> vzl:They should work just as easily.
[06:02] <vincenzio> chang-xi: they don't- they get dhcp and then can't continue booting.
[06:04] <vzl> they say pxelinux.0 is not a valid file.
[06:04] <vzl> and then they sleep, abort, and then cycle through dhcp again
[06:05] <chang-xi> vincenzio: My test machine does it with onboard pxe. I will test the etherboot tonight,and report back.meanwhile verify your eth0 & eth1. check your ltsp.conf file if everything is setup right.
[06:06] <ogra> vzl, make sure you have mknbi (from universe) installed and run sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[06:06] <ogra> (etherboot wasnt tested very much in the last release)
[06:07] <lucasvo> ogra: problems with ltsp again
[06:07] <vincenzio> apt-get install mknbi?
[06:09] <ogra> vincenzio, yes, with universe enabled
[06:09] <ogra> lucasvo, ?
[06:09] <lucasvo> ogra: my ltsp.conf isn't changing anything
[06:09] <ogra> the file is named lts.conf ? 
[06:09] <vzl> by universe you mean in sources.list?
[06:09] <ogra> or ltsp.conf
[06:09] <ogra> vzl, yup
[06:10] <vzl> doing the update now
[06:10] <vzl> is this documented anywhere?
[06:10] <ogra> on the ltsp.org wiki only for now ..
[06:11] <lucasvo>  http://pastebin.com/435695 < ltsp.conf X screen resolution doesn't work
[06:11] <ogra> as i said, etherboot didnt recieve much (if any) testing during breezy ... i have a etherboot capable card now to make sure it works for dapper
[06:12] <vzl> ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.
[06:12] <vzl> now what?
[06:12] <ogra> lucasvo, http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[06:13] <ogra> lucasvo, use the X
[06:13] <ogra> _HORZSYNC
[06:13] <ogra>  and  X_VERTREFRESH values, not X_MODE ... and make sure the file is called lts.conf not ltsp.conf
[06:13] <ogra> whoops
[06:13] <ogra> X_HORIZSYNC
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: it is called lts.conf
[06:14] <ogra> ok
[06:14] <ogra> just because you kept calling it ltsp.conf
[06:14] <ogra> :)
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I find out vertrefresh
[06:14] <lucasvo> ogra: I copied it and both existed because I didn't knwo the name
[06:15] <ogra> find some documentation about your monitor
[06:15] <lucasvo> ogra: I even filed a bug with attached xlog but didn't change yet...
[06:15] <vzl> ogra, so, etherboot... 
[06:15] <vzl> ok, so I installed mknbi and did ltsp-update-kernels.
[06:15] <vzl> what next?
[06:15] <ogra> does it boot ? 
[06:16] <vzl> nop
[06:16] <ogra> :(
[06:16] <vzl> same message
[06:16] <ogra> lucasvo, you copied what ? 
[06:16] <lucasvo> ogra: lts.conf to ltsp.conf
[06:17] <ogra> lucasvo, it will work if you use the right values ...
[06:17] <ogra> whats the bugnumber ? 
[06:18] <vzl> no better ideas?
[06:18] <chang-xi> vzl: you might try to redo the etherboot disk & see if it has ssh switch settings.
[06:18] <vzl> no boot disk involved- booting off the rom on a linksys card with an etherboot eeprom
[06:18] <lucasvo> [Bug 17232]  Problems with xorg, autodetection of MGA 200 and SDM-M51
[06:19] <vzl> it's a tulip based card
[06:22] <lucasvo> ogra:       X_HORZSYNC = 75Hz
[06:22] <lucasvo> ^^ correct?
[06:28] <ogra> grumble
[06:28] <ogra> lucasvo, if you talked to me the last 10 mins, you must repeat, my line dropped
[06:29] <vzl> bah humbug
[06:30] <ogra> vzl, not only you :)
[06:34] <vincenzio> if etherboot can work, I'm set. 
[06:34] <vincenzio> if I can't get it going...
[06:34] <vincenzio> bummer.
[06:34] <vincenzio> it means these 8 etherboot clients all with the same card in them are stuck.
[06:35] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I did
[06:35] <ogra> lucasvo, repeat  then :)
[06:36] <ogra> vincenzio, do you have any other opportunity, CD or floppy ? then you can use a etherboot image from rom-o-matic, they offer them with PXE emulation
[06:36] <lucasvo> ogra: I found out that it is wrong by mnyself, I first have to do some research
[06:37] <ogra> oki
[06:37] <lucasvo> google is quite slow, isn't it?
[06:40] <lucasvo> ogra: I have in datasheet horizontal frequency: 28 to 64hz and vertical frequency:48-75hz
[06:40] <lucasvo> ogra: so what do I need to set?
[06:45] <vincenzio> ogra: these machines, the bios pays no attention to floppy, no cdrom or hdd installed, so it jumps right to the rom on the ethernet card.
[06:45] <vincenzio> and they worked with k12ltsp on fedora core1.
[06:45] <vincenzio> but core1 is ancient.
[06:45] <vincenzio> edubuntu is so much nicer.
[06:45] <lucasvo_> crap
[06:46] <lucasvo_> I have my screen
[06:46] <lucasvo_> ups
[06:46] <lucasvo_> s/have/hate/g
[06:46] <lucasvo_> do you also have problems with screens, that it hangs time-by-time?
[07:06] <lucasvo> ogra: installing edubuntu-server has deleted my ltsp configs... :(
[07:07] <lucasvo> ogra: is there a way how to remove ltsp built in server?
[07:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean dhcp?
[07:07] <ogra> just apt-get remove dhcp3-server ....
[07:08] <ogra> (this will also remove ltsp-server-standalone, but leave you ltsp-server)
[07:10] <lucasvo> ogra: ah, I know, it has overwritten my dhcpd.conf so didn't work anymore
[07:12] <lucasvo> xdmcp      Yes         no        no        kdm    Using: none! < what's wrong, I tried to enable gdm but didn't work
[07:12] <ogra> we dont use X over tcp in ubuntu/edubuntu
[07:12] <ogra> xdmcp wont work
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: ah ok
[07:14] <lucasvo> ogra: is there some ubuntu mirror to get ltsp packages?
[07:15] <ogra> its in breezy
[07:15] <lucasvo> so do I need to update ltsp packages in the ltspadmin?
[07:15] <ogra> eek
[07:15] <lucasvo> no?
[07:16] <ogra> dont use ltspadmin with edubuntu
[07:16] <ogra> that will break *everything*
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: what else?
[07:16] <lucasvo> ogra: how should I enable portmap, nfs, dhcp?
[07:16] <ogra> ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone, but not ltspadmin, that the old implementation of ltsp
[07:16] <ogra> you dont
[07:16] <ogra> the packages do it for you...
[07:17] <chang-xi> ogra: why is the edubuntu thinclient bootup sooo much slower than standard ltsp with xdisplay?
[07:17] <ogra> but if you ever had installed/tried to use both at the same time, your system might be completely broken
[07:18] <ogra> chang-xi, because we used all the standard bootscripts, and because the autodetection of the X server settings takes about 20 seconds alone (the time classic ltsp needs to boot)
[07:18] <ogra> the bootscripts will go away in dapper ...
[07:19] <ogra> as well as most of the hardware detection stuff will be sped up... but the X detection will remain this slow ...
[07:20] <ogra> current bootime in breezy is ~90 sec ... my local dapper setup here already is at 60 sec ... we'll get to 45 in dapper at release time...
[07:20] <chang-xi> ogra: okay thanks. Will dapper implement schooltool-2006 & TeacherTool?
[07:21] <ogra> TeacherTool doesnt work with ubuntu ltsp ...
[07:21] <\sh> ogra: please send me as well all packages which has to be merged from universe for edubuntu...if u need some..thx :)
[07:21] <chang-xi> ogra: iknow, itried it.
[07:21] <ogra> chang-xi, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[07:21] <ogra> thats what i hope to get ready for dapper (in case enough people help developing it)
[07:22] <ogra> and indeed we'll have the latest schooltool release included ;)
[07:22] <ogra> (the latest that was available at upstream version freeze around end of february)
[07:23] <ogra> s/was/is
[07:23] <ogra> so if the schooltool guys are fast enough ...
[07:23] <ajmitch_> ogra: try & get moodle in main this time round? :)
[07:23] <ogra> would be nice ... but currently my priorities are all ltsp ... if there is time left before UVF we'll get it in
[07:24] <ogra> but the debconf changes are not trivial...
[07:24] <chang-xi> the new schooltool-2006 might be just as good as moodle.
[07:25] <ogra> i havent seen it yet
[07:26] <chang-xi> They are listing a bunch of new stuff on the website for inclusion in ver 2006
[07:28] <chang-xi> The only problem with TeacherTool, is that it's using connectd clients via x-display not ssh.
[07:28] <ogra> and all functions are waved around this ...
[07:28] <ogra> so the adjustments are nearly a rewrite
[07:29] <chang-xi> yes , i have been in touch with the author , who might just do that.
[07:29] <ogra> s-c-p is already dealing with ssh connections, but missing the vnc part and remote execution parts ...
[07:29] <ogra> and its much more HIG compliant
[07:32] <ogra> the problem is to get these things to work safely ... the vnc solutions i have sen so far made me run away screaming ...
[07:35] <chang-xi> ogra: as it stands now, what then is the best way to see who is connected, (connected thinclients)?
[07:35] <ogra> s-c-p
[07:36] <chang-xi> do i run it from terminal?
[07:36] <ogra> its in dapper... as soon as its more usefull than for killing client sessions and showing the procs, i'll ask for a backport
[07:36] <ogra> nope, it installs in the System menu
[07:37] <chang-xi> so now, the only way is via ps & see the clients connected ip over ssh?
[07:37] <ogra> yup
[07:38] <ogra> you wont see the ip ;)
[07:38] <chang-xi> I do.
[07:38] <ogra> not with ltsp
[07:38] <ogra> only if you have a normal ssh connection...
[07:38] <chang-xi> i did last night.yes indeed.
[07:39] <ogra> the ltsp connection has no pty assigned ...
[07:39] <chang-xi> I will get the code snipit,stndby.
[07:39] <ogra> so you wont be able to get the ip anywhere .... in dapper we have ESPEAKER set in the environment of the session...
[07:40] <ogra> since this points to the ltsp client you will be able to see it there
[07:41] <chang-xi> ogra: try this with clients connected- ps eaxww|grep "bash -c env LTSP_CLIENT"|grep -v grep
[07:42] <chang-xi> as root
[07:42] <ogra> nope
[07:43] <ogra> oh, sorry typo...
[07:44] <ogra> indeed, this works at least with daper ... i have no breezy around ... but see the s-c-p source ;)
[07:45] <ogra> *dapper
[07:45] <ogra> it uses the sae command ...
[07:45] <ogra> *same
[07:46] <chang-xi> okay i'll wait for the backport then. thanks
[07:46] <ogra> i think you can just use the dapper package directly ... its plain python if you want to play with it
[07:47] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/student-control-panel/student-control-panel_0.1_all.deb
[07:47] <ogra> and feel free to bzr get the bazaar archive from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ and send patches 
[07:48] <ogra> ;)
[07:48] <chang-xi> okay thanks
[08:46] <the_CName> elo
[08:46] <the_CName> have you a channel in french language ?!
[08:48] <ogra> not for edubuntu specific stuff ...
[08:48] <ogra> but else there is #ubuntu-fr
[08:51] <the_CName> thanks, but it's more generalist
[08:52] <the_CName> ok, i've install the edubuntu with LTSP Server ... and i search info to config workstation 
[08:53] <the_CName> in X station
[08:54] <ogra> you dont configure the workstation at all... its a thin client server ...
[08:56] <ogra> all you need to make sure is that the clients boot via PXE and ahve them attached to the server
[08:57] <the_CName> and if i not PXE but a minimalistic linux with X ?
[08:58] <ogra> that wont work unless you install the minimal X part from ubuntu ... 
[08:59] <ogra> ubuntu/edubuntu doesnt use X over tcp but uses ssh tunneling, that wont work with your approach out of the box
[09:00] <ogra> but if you have a local device to boot rom, i'd suggest wiping the local linux and X from it and install a rom-o-matic PXE bootrom instead 
[09:01] <ogra> s/to boot rom/to boot from/
[09:01] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[09:02] <the_CName> ok
[09:03] <the_CName> PXE is a rom for ethernet boot, isn't-it ?
[09:03] <ogra> PXE is a specification from intel ... it replaces the old etherboot mechanism
[09:04] <ogra> its built in in most of the recent network cards
[09:55] <littlepaul> i just installed edubuntu-desktopn on breezy and got some dependency errors http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/573
[11:41] <paolob> Hi gusy! I'm trying to connect to a edubuntu server with a dell pc equipped with a 3com 3c905-txm nic, but when I boot the client diskette (I prepared it myself generating the correct zdsk image) all I get is: "Loading ROM image.." and then a succession of lines saying: "100C AX:0212 BX:2400 CX:0001 DX:0100". What does it mean?
[11:41] <paolob> thank you!