[12:23] <os2mac_> can someone kick os2mac... that is my computer in the other room... I am just too lazy to get up and close the program?
[12:25] <Fillado> can anyone think of why sound is coming out of my right speaker extremely quitely (so that i have to put my ear up to it to barely hear it)?
[12:25] <sambagirl> anyone hearing of xandros?
[12:32] <Fillado> !sound
[12:32] <ubotu> somebody said sound was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:37] <mrtwister> hi, please suggest best way to get mysql5 in breezy
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !info mysql5
[12:39] <kairu0> hey Hobbsee 
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !mysql
[12:39] <ubotu> hmm... lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hi kairu0 
[12:40] <Hobbsee> !tell mrtwister about mysql
[12:40] <LjL> that's about mysql4 though
[12:40] <mrtwister> Hobbsee, no info :P
[12:41] <Hobbsee> ah darn!
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mrtwister: done a search in adept for mysql?
[12:42] <LjL> mrtwister: compile it from source, i don't think there is any other option right now
[12:42] <LjL> mrtwister: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80987 for information
[12:43] <mrtwister> Hthanks guys
[12:43] <LjL> mrtwister: actually, there is one guy in that thread claiming to have installed it from a .deb package, but he doesn't mention what package (perhaps a Debian package?)
[12:43] <mrtwister> yes i found, have to compile :(
[12:44] <mrtwister> LjL, of course, from testing/experimental repo will work, but may install lot of deps
[12:48] <sambagirl> i am reading about xandros, it is the same as kubuntu?
[12:49] <LjL> "same" in what sense?
[12:49] <sambagirl> you know
[12:49] <sambagirl> i dont know
[12:50] <sambagirl> like the same in the way it works
[12:50] <sambagirl> i am running kubuntu 
[12:50] <LjL> uh, well, i mean, it's linux
[12:50] <sambagirl> why are they charging?
[12:50] <LjL> ask them
[12:50] <sambagirl> they are a big company
[12:50] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: both use .deb files, and both use kde
[12:50] <Hobbsee> so they're going to look fairly similar
[12:51] <sambagirl> what exactly is kde?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> !kde
[12:51] <ubotu> methinks kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[12:51] <LjL> you know Kubuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu, don't you?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> all the graphics, pretty much
[12:51] <sambagirl> i use kubuntu
[12:51] <Hobbsee> GUI
[12:51] <sambagirl> i was using gnome but the war thing made me move to kubuntu
[12:51] <LjL> sambagirl: Kubuntu is simply Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome. they're actually the same distribution
[12:52] <sambagirl> you know the war between gnome and kubunutu
[12:52] <LjL> sambagirl: there can be no war between gnome and kubuntu, as gnome is a desktop environment and kubuntu is a distribution ;)
[12:52] <LjL> sambagirl: at most, there can be a war between gnome and kde
[12:52] <pieterjan> good evening
[12:52] <LjL> sambagirl: or between Ubuntu and Kubuntu (doubt it!)
[12:52] <pieterjan> I have a little question
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hi pieterjan 
[12:52] <Hobbsee> just ask it :)
[12:52] <LjL> sambagirl: anyways, what do you mean that this war "has moved you to kubuntu"?
[12:53] <sambagirl> ok
[12:53] <pieterjan> is there a way to reset the configuration of my soundsystem in kubuntu?
[12:53] <pieterjan> I mean everything, also program's I installed after the installation of kubuntu
[12:53] <sambagirl> gnome was messing up because of the univese thing with synaptic and i wanted to use some kde things and gnome and kde were fighiting so i decided to remove the gnome to resolve the thing.
[12:54] <pieterjan> It's weird, but, my sound did work fine by the spdif
[12:54] <pieterjan> my amarok used gstreamer (alsasink + hw:0,4)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> pieterjan: um....you should be able to modify the settings in system settings, or kmix
[12:55] <Hobbsee> if you want to reset everything, the easiest way may well be to reinstall
[12:55] <pieterjan> now I still have (I think) the same options, but my sound doesn't work anymore
[12:55] <sambagirl> 1 thing i noticed about kubuntu, i cannot change my background to what i want from the options in properties, but that's ok i suppose.
[12:55] <pieterjan> I still have a red light @ the back of my pc, and I don't get any failure
[12:55] <Hobbsee> check in sound in system esttings - there's a test sound button
[12:55] <Fillado> can anyone think of why sound would come out of the left speaker extremely quiet (this seems to happen in all apps)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Fillado: check kmix
[12:56] <sambagirl> check your wires
[12:56] <Hobbsee> that too
[12:56] <Fillado> nope, tried selecting everything in there
[12:56] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: another way to do it: go into where the picture is that you want, right click on it in konqueror, actions, set to desktop picture
[12:56] <Hobbsee> something like that - they may not be the exact words
[12:56] <sambagirl> well its online i think
[12:57] <Fillado> and if i move the slider to the left i get no sound
[12:57] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: save it to your home directory first
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Fillado: the wires are right?
[12:57] <Fillado> yup, it's working in windows
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[12:58] <sambagirl> ok
[12:58] <Fillado> could installing VLC have done it?
[12:59] <sambagirl> no
[12:59] <sambagirl> vlc is the best
[01:00] <Fillado> lol
[01:02] <pieterjan> can it be that I muted the passtrough option somewhere?
[01:04] <pieterjan> can I re-install my soundcard for example? and delete all the preferences I made now?
[01:05] <Fillado> turning PCM down then back up fixed it :D
[01:07] <troth> has anyone else been getting weird messages when with thier sources?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> troth: which error messages?
[01:08] <troth> when i type at-get update
[01:09] <troth> messages are long lemme stup a pastebin, 1 sec
[01:10] <Fillado> is it to do with the cipherpunk sources?
[01:10] <troth> hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/29816
[01:11] <troth> !sources
[01:11] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:12] <Hobbsee> troth: use the sources list from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 instead of what you have now, then try apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[01:15] <troth> k thx
[01:15] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:19] <ClayG> anyone gotten k9copy installed?
[01:24] <LjL> ClayG: never used it myself, but i did compile it for one guy
[01:24] <ClayG> LjL can you gimme a quick hand, I'm trying to compile it.
[01:24] <ClayG> I get an error on the last line when I ./configure
[01:25] <LjL> paste on the pastebin please
[01:25] <ClayG> pastebin? same as pasting it straight in channel?
[01:25] <LjL> no
[01:25] <LjL> look at the topic
[01:25] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:25] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:26] <troth> lol
[01:26] <troth> is,like,totally!!
[01:26] <LjL> also, try my own AutoDeb if you're brave
[01:26] <LjL> !autodeb
[01:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, autodeb is an EXPERIMENTAL program to automate building (configure, compile, install) of source tarballs. It's based on !CheckInstall and !AutoApt, and can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autodeb
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:27] <Hobbsee> if he's very brave
[01:28] <troth> has anyone else here tested the KDE3.5 RC1 lice cd here?
[01:28] <LjL> come on, it works sometimes after all
[01:28] <troth> lice HA! live rather
[01:28] <Hobbsee> troth: live cd?
[01:28] <troth> ya
[01:28] <Hobbsee> is there one?
[01:28] <LjL> and it shouldn't even really screw up your system unless you ctrl+c it in the middle of an install =)
[01:28] <troth> ya i can get you a url if you want it?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> i was under the impression that it was an extra repository that you put in to upgrade to 3.5 rc1
[01:29] <Hobbsee> please do
[01:29] <troth> sure 1 sec
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Fillado: why so?
[01:30] <troth> Hobbsee: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7319895581.html
[01:30] <Fillado> last two times i'm done it it arsed up the system (not on Kubuntu mind) :D
[01:30] <Fillado> *i've
[01:31] <Hobbsee> which ones?
[01:31] <Fillado> erm...
[01:31] <Fillado> Fedora Core 1
[01:32] <LjL> is there any hack to implement a MacOS X - like "hide/show toolbars" button on KDE?
[01:32] <Fillado> and maybe mandrake
[01:32] <Fillado> granted I wasn't using an apt type system
[01:32] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/45xma722.nln.html
[01:32] <Hobbsee> LjL: arrow at the side of the screen?
[01:32] <ClayG> sorry , that's the first time I've used a "paste server" cool orig idea though
[01:32] <LjL> Hobbsee: hmm? i mean a program's toolbars
[01:33] <Hobbsee> LjL: oh, right...
[01:33] <Hobbsee> troth: interesting
[01:33] <troth> np
[01:33] <LjL> ClayG: you need to install kdelibs4-dev, and then probably other stuff as well
[01:34] <Hobbsee> troth: you can get the packages prebuilt for kubuntu by adding the repository
[01:34] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[01:34] <ubotu> well, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[01:34] <troth> ill wait for the final personally, but it is looking pretty good so far
[01:34] <Hobbsee> it's fine here
[01:34] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[01:34] <ubotu> I guess kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[01:35] <Hobbsee> check that out, and see if you're willing to take that risk lol
[01:35] <shane86> can anyone provide some advice for transfering pictures from a digital camera?
[01:35] <LjL> ClayG: oh, use aptitude to install it, if you use apt-get you might have to spend hours removing everything... :)
[01:36] <ClayG> LjL i tried before i read that
[01:36] <ClayG> got this 
[01:36] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/gPUeGk74.nln.html
[01:37] <ClayG> an error saying it's broken, i tried using synaptic and it sait it would not be installed but did not say why
[01:37] <LjL> ClayG: hmm are you using kde 3.5?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ClayG: sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
[01:37] <ClayG> 3.4.3
[01:37] <Hobbsee> in fact...
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ClayG: sudo apt-get install libssl-dev kdelibs4-dev
[01:37] <ClayG> hobb
[01:37] <LjL> yeah, like hobbsee says, although this means something's broken in my opinion
[01:37] <Hobbsee> try that second command, in a konsole
[01:37] <ClayG> another error lemme paste it
[01:38] <ClayG> ok one moment
[01:38] <LjL> libssl-dev conflicts with lots of packages
[01:38] <LjL> you probably have one of those installed
[01:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, but lets see the error message first
[01:39] <ClayG> this is pissing me off
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ClayG: what's the next error message you get?
[01:39] <ClayG> i have my proxy only on konqueror, so when i wanna browse reg/fast i can use ff
[01:39] <ClayG> but for xichat it launches links under konq so it's slow
[01:40] <Hobbsee> ClayG: change it so that it launches with firefox?  you can in kcontrol, i think
[01:40] <ClayG> waiting for paste server to load
[01:41] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/EgPz1156.nln.html
[01:41] <Hobbsee> what about sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.7
[01:41] <LjL> yeah, and then what about filing a bug, too
[01:42] <Hobbsee> that too
[01:42] <ClayG> already the newest version it says
[01:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm ok
[01:42] <LjL> ClayG: try aptitude reinstall libssl0.9.7
[01:43] <Stefano_> somethime you have to recognize that all the computer crap is so unimportant
[01:43] <ClayG> could not run without sude first
[01:43] <ClayG> with sudo i got http://rafb.net/paste/results/GBgGul32.html
[01:44] <Stefano_> and then you try to get this damn kernel compiled
[01:44] <Stefano_> :)
[01:44] <LjL> ClayG: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[01:44] <ClayG> om
[01:44] <LjL> ClayG: also, "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[01:44] <kalenedrael> Please not here.
[01:44] <kalenedrael> Do not paste your sources.list here. :P
[01:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, ClayG's already using a pastebin for all of these erro rmessages
[01:45] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/iiBCfH48.html
[01:45] <kalenedrael> Ok.
[01:45] <ClayG> Ok
[01:45] <LjL> oh, don'
[01:45] <LjL> oh, don't use the U.S. mirrors, they say they're broken
[01:45] <LjL> try with the ca.* mirrors
[01:45] <kalenedrael> The US mirrors tend to have problems :P
[01:46] <Hobbsee> the last 4 you dont want to comment out
[01:46] <LjL> right
[01:46] <ClayG> just uncomment them?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> well, you can comment the sources ones out if you really want, but you want to keep the binary ones in there
[01:46] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:46] <ClayG> or change the .com to .ca on all?
[01:46] <kalenedrael> I use the 'normal' mirrors, the archive.ubuntu.com ones.
[01:46] <LjL> ClayG: no, don't change the .com
[01:46] <kalenedrael> No, you want ca.archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <LjL> ClayG: change the initial "us."
[01:46] <LjL> ClayG: and, uncomment the last four lines
[01:46] <Hobbsee> you can uncomment the backports too, if you like - not sure if there's anything in them yet
[01:47] <Hobbsee> LjL: i said that lol
[01:47] <ClayG> ok gimme a second, why not uncomment all?
[01:47] <LjL> ClayG: (for the ones with no initial "us.", leave them alone)
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ClayG: you could do that, there's no problem there
[01:47] <Hobbsee> or you could just copy the repositories from !repos
[01:47] <LjL> ClayG: because you might not want the backports. instead, you definitely *do* want breezy-security
[01:47] <ClayG> ok done deal
[01:47] <ClayG> lemme re aot-get those two
[01:47] <LjL> now "sudo aptitude update"
[01:47] <ClayG> apt
[01:48] <ClayG> i hate aptitiude
[01:48] <ClayG> syanptic ok?
[01:48] <ClayG> i updated through it, but i hate using it
[01:48] <Hobbsee> ClayG: no, use aptitude or apt-get
[01:48] <LjL> uh, haven't you been using apt-get up to now? :o)
[01:48] <ClayG> shit
[01:48] <ClayG> it worked so far one sec
[01:48] <ClayG> I did the apt-get install <the two you mentioned
[01:49] <LjL> then what's the problem with  "sudo aptitude update" or "sudo aptitude install something"?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ClayG: i only say that because it's a lot harder to get the error messages out of synaptic :P
[01:49] <ClayG> downloading a gang of lib's
[01:49] <kalenedrael> Why don't people like apt-get? :P
[01:49] <ClayG> Ahh smart Hobbs
[01:49] <Hobbsee> got no idea, i like it
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:49] <LjL> kalenedrael: because aptitude's better, simple
[01:49] <ClayG> and you are right, when it woulnd't install in syanptic it didnt tell why
[01:50] <ClayG> just siad it "would not be installed"
[01:50] <kalenedrael> LjL, I don't see how it's so much different :P
[01:50] <ClayG> still d/ling
[01:50] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get update works fine.
[01:50] <LjL> kalenedrael: and, besides being better, it does everything apt-get does, and it does it the *same* way apt-get does, so why use apt-get
[01:50] <kalenedrael> Because apt-get is shorter? :P
[01:50] <LjL> kalenedrael: try installing a big metapackage (or any package that has a lot of dependencies) with apt-get, and then decide you want to remove it later
[01:51] <LjL> kalenedrael: "apt-get is shorter" is a non-issue, i have "sudo aptitude" aliased to "apt", so i just type "apt install something"
[01:51] <kalenedrael> Ok, fine.
[01:51] <kalenedrael> Note that the ':P' means I was kidding...
[01:51] <ClayG> ok all installed lemme try the ./confiigure again
[01:51] <ClayG> but spelled right
[01:52] <LjL> kalenedrael: but i was *not* kidding with the "sudo aptitude" alias, which could be an useful alias for many people other than me... also, there's stuff in ~/.bashrc that lets bash auto-complete commands typed after "sudo"
[01:52] <ClayG> Thanks alot, now I have successfully completed the first step
[01:52] <ClayG> lol
[01:52] <LjL> i mean, stuff that must be uncommented for that to work
[01:52] <LjL> ClayG: ;-)
[01:52] <ClayG> ok coolthje ./configuire worked
[01:52] <kalenedrael> Yeah, I should do the auto-complete thing for stuff typed after sudo...
[01:52] <LjL> ClayG: if configure worked, i think the rest will likely work
[01:53] <ClayG> warnings in "make" common?
[01:53] <LjL> ClayG: yeah
[01:53] <kalenedrael> LjL, well, I've never had problems with apt-get.
[01:54] <ClayG> damn
[01:54] <ClayG> what if i make twice?
[01:54] <ClayG> lol
[01:54] <ClayG> twins?
[01:54] <ClayG> hahah just kidding
[01:54] <ClayG> but i did it
[01:54] <LjL> kalenedrael: that's because it doesn't *have* any problem, just missing features
[01:54] <LjL> kalenedrael: (i mean, i suppose it does have some problems here and there, like any program)
[01:54] <kalenedrael> Like what features?
[01:55] <LjL> kalenedrael: like what i said.  if you install package A that in turns installs package B, when you remove A aptitude will automatically remove B, unless there is some other package C using B
[01:55] <kalenedrael> Ah, ok.
[01:55] <kalenedrael> Neat, I never knew that.
[01:55] <LjL> kalenedrael: this simply makes sense. dependencies that were auto-installed ought to be auto-removed
[01:55] <kalenedrael> Yes.
[01:56] <LjL> kalenedrael: of course, if the user types "aptitude install B" before removal, then B will *not* be removed, because it's not "auto-installed" anymore
[01:56] <kalenedrael> The 'unless there is some other package C using B' part is important.
[01:56] <LjL> kalenedrael: but aptitude does that perfectly, it keeps tracks of all packages
[01:56] <kalenedrael> Hmm, even better.
[01:57] <LjL> kalenedrael: of course, if you're trying to remove stuff using aptitude, you have to have *installed* it using aptitude, otherwise you won't have this feature -- aptitude will just assume that every dependency was *meant* to be there by the user, since it has no way of knowing better
[01:57] <ClayG> ok now i've followed the 3 steps. ./configure           make               and make install
[01:57] <kalenedrael> Yeah, I get it.
[01:57] <LjL> ClayG: just start it then, if it works, you're done
[01:57] <kalenedrael> I'll stick with apt-get, then.
[01:57] <ClayG> man
[01:57] <ClayG> i typed k9 then hit tab and nothing popped up , i dont think it's installed
[01:58] <ClayG> unless it's called something completly diff
[01:58] <LjL> kalenedrael: why? using aptitude will do no harm -- it's just that the auto-removal feature won't work with packages you *already* have (and you *would not* want it to work on them, obviously!)
[01:58] <ClayG> darnit
[01:58] <ClayG> iif you have already done "make"
[01:58] <ClayG> if you do it again does anything change?
[01:58] <LjL> ClayG: no, it's called k9copy. what about "make"? sure it didn't give you any errors?
[01:59] <ClayG> k9copy gives me a bad command
[01:59] <ClayG> lemme make again and paste the output
[01:59] <LjL> ClayG: yeah i've understood that, but are you sure "make" completed succesfully?
[01:59] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QoqNMk19.html
[01:59] <LjL> ClayG: and, is there a k9copy file in src/ ?
[02:00] <ClayG> I am not sure I dont know what make means
[02:00] <ClayG> just following instructions written by the guy for the install
[02:00] <LjL> it did *not* complete succesfully
[02:00] <LjL> you need another package
[02:00] <ClayG> hehhe
[02:00] <ClayG> man
[02:00] <LjL> sudo aptitude install libdvdread3-dev
[02:01] <kalenedrael> LjL, ok, sure.
[02:01] <kalenedrael> I dunno, I'm just more used to apt-get.
[02:01] <ClayG> ok done
[02:01] <ClayG> re-make?
[02:01] <LjL> yes
[02:02] <ClayG> wow
[02:02] <LjL> kalenedrael: that's why i keep going around and telling people to use aptitude. /how/ are you more used to it? i mean, it's got the same commands, aptitude install, aptitude remove, etc, it works exactly the same
[02:02] <ClayG> whole shitload of errors
[02:02] <LjL> re-configure then, after a "make clean"
[02:02] <ClayG> oh didnt think to configure again, im a newb if it wasn't for apt-get I prolly would have given up
[02:03] <ClayG> ok saysstart make now
[02:03] <ClayG> make or make clean?
[02:03] <ClayG> I was the make clean a command or just saying to make it again after configuring again?
[02:04] <LjL> make clean, then configure, then make
[02:04] <LjL> no, it is "make clean; ./configure; make"
[02:04] <ClayG> ok
[02:04] <LjL> or try my autodeb - really, i don't think it's going to do any harm, even though of course i had to write the capital DANGER DANGER to tell people it's experimental
[02:05] <ClayG> ok im on the last make
[02:05] <LjL> it will simply do the configure / install stuff / reconfigure / make / etc job for you, basically
[02:05] <Flying_Eagle> hi. im searching for a xcurses/pdcurses-package... does anyone know of sth like this?
[02:09] <nalioth> LjL: how is the autodeb coming?
[02:09] <LjL> nalioth: i'm stuck on finding a way to make ./configure faster, but besides that, it works, and i think it's really quite safe to use now
[02:10] <nalioth> LjL: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[02:10] <ClayG> LjL it did not work again, this time I could only copy the last few hundred lines
[02:10] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ctTJM429.html
[02:11] <LjL> actually, it worked this time, for all i can say
[02:11] <LjL> make install
[02:12] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/dg04Qz59.html
[02:12] <LjL> sorry
[02:12] <LjL> sudo make install
[02:13] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/966Svd42.html
[02:13] <ClayG> should i have been sudo'ing everything? the ./configure make and make clean allof that?
[02:13] <LjL> worked
[02:13] <LjL> no, only make install
[02:13] <LjL> try running it now
[02:14] <ClayG> i have only two k9 files
[02:14] <ClayG> k9vamps
[02:14] <ClayG> and k9playcell
[02:14] <ClayG> lemme run 'em
[02:14] <LjL> no, the executable ought to be k9copy
[02:14] <LjL> look if it's there in src/
[02:14] <ClayG> in konsole
[02:15] <ClayG> green = executable?
[02:15] <LjL> yea, type "ls -l src/k9copy"
[02:15] <ClayG> there is a grean k9copy but typing k9copy does not work
[02:15] <LjL> green = executable yes
[02:15] <LjL> type ./k9copy
[02:15] <LjL> or, src/k9copy
[02:15] <ClayG> worked!
[02:15] <LjL> if you're not in src/ already
[02:15] <LjL> yeah, but it's strange that it hasn't actually installed it
[02:15] <ClayG> well i was in /src
[02:15] <ClayG> I'm used to Dos when it comes to command line
[02:15] <ClayG> if you are in the dir or have it path'ed you can run it
[02:16] <ClayG> even typing k9copy in /src did not work
[02:16] <LjL> in linux, only if you have it PATHed it will work
[02:16] <ClayG> even if it's in the same dir?
[02:16] <LjL> and the current directory (i.e. the ./ directory) isn't PATHed
[02:16] <ClayG> ahhh i see
[02:16] <LjL> there is a reason for that
[02:16] <ClayG> Why is that?
[02:17] <LjL> well, imagine typing "ls"
[02:17] <LjL> (or any other command) and seeing your HD formatted
[02:17] <ClayG> that would suck
[02:17] <LjL> that could happen, if there was an executable called "ls" in your current directory
[02:17] <LjL> that formatted HDs
[02:17] <ClayG> or in path
[02:18] <ClayG> odd, in dos the embedded commands took priority
[02:18] <LjL> yeah but you're more in control of what is in path
[02:18] <ClayG> whiler you could have a file called dir.exe
[02:18] <ClayG> the only way to run it would be type dir.exe
[02:18] <LjL> ls isn't an embedded command
[02:18] <ClayG> dir alone would just do the command
[02:18] <ClayG> it isnt?
[02:18] <LjL> well actually it is, in bash
[02:18] <LjL> but in general you shouldn't rely on any command being "built-in" in linux
[02:18] <LjL> look at /bin/ls, the command is actually there
[02:19] <LjL> even though i think bash does use a built-in replacement for it
[02:19] <ClayG> I gotcha
[02:19] <ClayG> man, thanks ALOT
[02:19] <LjL> anyway, you *can* add the current directory to your PATH if you prefer to
[02:19] <LjL> even though people generally advice against it
[02:19] <ClayG> If I can get all my dvd stuff to work in nix i can finally leave 'doze
[02:20] <LjL> anyway, try "sudo make install" again, i'd like to know why you don't have a k9copy in the path...
[02:20] <ClayG> again?
[02:20] <ClayG> ok one moment
[02:20] <LjL> oh, nevermind, i know why
[02:20] <ClayG> why si that?
[02:20] <LjL> it's installed it in /usr/local/kde/bin, which isn't in the path
[02:21] <ClayG> what is the nix version of "path"
[02:21] <ClayG> a command that shows what is in your path
[02:21] <LjL> type "export"
[02:21] <LjL> you'll see a list of all current shell variables, including the PATH variable
[02:21] <LjL> or, just type "echo $PATH"
[02:21] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/e72Nch34.html
[02:22] <ClayG> can i paste one line of text here?
[02:22] <LjL> yeah, that includes PATH among a hell of other things
[02:22] <LjL> yeah
[02:22] <ClayG> lol actually im typing by memory
[02:22] <ClayG> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[02:22] <ClayG> just in case we have a teachers pet in here
[02:22] <LjL> :)
[02:22] <LjL> try this
[02:22] <ClayG> ok i see
[02:22] <LjL> export PATH="/usr/local/kde/bin:${PATH}"
[02:22] <ClayG> same as dos, but i think we use ; to seperate
[02:23] <LjL> you should now be able to start k9copy directly, but only during this session
[02:23] <LjL> (in the next console, PATH will be reset)
[02:23] <LjL> to change it for all users and all consoles, edit /etc/profile
[02:24] <LjL> and change the second line containing PATH
[02:24] <LjL> (you must edit it with sudo)
[02:24] <ClayG> just add :/dir/it/is/in
[02:24] <ClayG> ?
[02:24] <LjL> yes
[02:24] <LjL> i.e. :/usr/local/kde/bin
[02:25] <ClayG> Ok, my k9copy is located /home/clay/Desktop/k9copy<vernumber>/src
[02:25] <ClayG> can i just copy the whole thing to wherever i want it to reside?
[02:25] <ClayG> or must i make and all that agian
[02:25] <LjL> no, don't!
[02:25] <LjL> leave it in /usr/local/kde/bin now
[02:26] <ClayG> it isn't there
[02:26] <ClayG> i dont think
[02:26] <LjL> it should, if i read your make install log correctly
[02:26] <ClayG> oh wow it is
[02:26] <LjL> try typing /usr/local/kde/bin/k9copy
[02:26] <ClayG> so the one on my desktop can be erased?!
[02:26] <LjL> yes
[02:26] <ClayG> good
[02:26] <LjL> you can also remove the "-dev" packages you installed
[02:26] <ClayG> I was hoping my linux deksotp wouldnt start to look like my windows one
[02:26] <LjL> though i think you need to install libdvdread3
[02:27] <mrmarcel> gn8
[02:27] <ClayG> where would they be locatyed?
[02:27] <ClayG> hey L
[02:27] <LjL> just type "sudo aptitude install libdvdread3 ; sudo aptitude remove libdvdread3-dev kdelibs4-dev"
[02:28] <ClayG> when i try to open the disk in k9copy it says it cannot open  disk /dev/hdc
[02:28] <ClayG> is this a mounting issue?
[02:28] <LjL> well i haven't actually *run* k9copy, actually i don't even know what it does :)
[02:29] <LjL> though, perhaps you need to run it as root
[02:29] <ClayG> it rips dvd's that may be larger than ~5G
[02:29] <ClayG> and makes them fit on a standard dvd
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ClayG: where's /dev/hdc mounted?
[02:29] <ClayG> looks like it isn't i was under assumption it was automounted
[02:30] <ClayG> I guess it not opneing when pressing the button is a good sign
[02:30] <ClayG> lol
[02:30] <ClayG> shti
[02:30] <ClayG> now i eat my words
[02:30] <LjL> yeah, usually means it's mounted
[02:30] <ClayG> it does open
[02:30] <LjL> :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:30] <ClayG> er sorry messed up here
[02:30] <ClayG> lemme mount it
[02:30] <ClayG> is there a way to automount it?
[02:30] <ClayG> so i dont have ot manually do it every time
[02:30] <LjL> CDs usually *get* automounted
[02:30] <ClayG> I mean without the drive being mounted
[02:31] <ClayG> it cannot be openned right?
[02:31] <LjL> hmm? when the drive *is* mounted, it cannot be opened
[02:31] <Hobbsee> ClayG: mount
[02:31] <Hobbsee> into the pastebin
[02:32] <LjL> while it's mounted, if you right-click on the drive's icon and select "Eject", it'll open
[02:33] <sambagirl> did anyone else get message about new konversatoin release?
[02:33] <LjL> nop
[02:33] <sambagirl> umm i got one
[02:34] <ClayG> I'm getting a little messed up here
[02:34] <ClayG> my 2nd Master
[02:34] <sambagirl> stop the drugs 
[02:34] <ClayG> that is HDC right?
[02:34] <ClayG> can't samba
[02:35] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: ah...no...what did it say it updated to?
[02:35] <ClayG> if we are talking standard ide, like 2 HD's on the first channel and 2 optical//diskdrives on the second
[02:35] <sambagirl> [Notice]  -ChanServ- [#konversation]  Konversation 0.18 has been released! Get it from http://download.berlios.de/konversation/konversation-0.18.tar.bz2
[02:35] <ClayG> i tried konvo today,it does have a pleasing look
[02:35] <LjL> well we'll have to wait for getting it in the repos anyway
[02:36] <ClayG> as far as being able to read the text
[02:36] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: oh ok
[02:36] <LjL> ClayG: alternatives are KsIRC and KvIRC
[02:36] <Hobbsee> i didnt get that, but i'm already on the RC 1
[02:36] <sambagirl> no problamas
[02:36] <LjL> ClayG: (and then of course there are non-KDE alternatives)
[02:36] <ClayG> are they decent?
[02:36] <ClayG> ahhb i normally use gnome
[02:36] <LjL> don't really know
[02:36] <ClayG> but kept seeing errors about kde headers to jump on kde
[02:36] <LjL> X-Chat is more then decent in Gnome
[02:37] <ClayG> is there a KDE program that will mount
[02:37] <ClayG> So i can get this k9copy working
[02:37] <Hobbsee> !mount
[02:37] <ubotu> mount is probably the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[02:37] <LjL> you'll keep seeing errors about kde headers when you compile KDE stuff, unless you keep them installed -- and on the other hand, you don't really need to use KDE to *not* get errors about KDE headers
[02:37] <LjL> that said, i much prefer KDE over Gnome
[02:37] <ClayG> To be honest i DID too
[02:38] <ClayG> loved the look, everything seemed more logical
[02:38] <ClayG> but using gnome things seem to work more
[02:38] <ClayG> again, this is coming from someone with very very little experience with either
[02:38] <LjL> ClayG: just type "sudo mount /dev/hdc /cdrom", i dunno about GUIs
[02:38] <Hobbsee> LjL: add it to /etc/fstab
[02:38] <ClayG> it's telling me to spec a file type
[02:39] <ClayG> iso9660?
[02:39] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's probably already there
[02:39] <Hobbsee> true
[02:39] <LjL> ClayG: yeah, that should be it, but it shouldn't be asking in the first place. do you *have* a disc inserted? ;)
[02:40] <ClayG> i dunno who do i check that?
[02:40] <ClayG> hehe just kidding
[02:40] <LjL> :-P
[02:40] <ClayG> ok nice
[02:40] <ClayG> we are in bus as far as the drive being mounted
[02:40] <ClayG> lemme retry k9copy
[02:41] <LjL> you should point k9copy to /cdrom and not to /dev/hdc, i guess
[02:41] <LjL> (even though, again, i've never used k9copy)
[02:41] <ClayG> It doens't ask, check this out
[02:41] <ClayG> the k9copy in my desktop
[02:41] <ClayG> is the same as the other dir right:?
[02:41] <LjL> it should
[02:41] <ClayG> same thing running either, same result
[02:42] <ClayG> god
[02:42] <ClayG> it's working , so far
[02:42] <ClayG> I can see how ego's get ramped up with linux users, installing and using 1 program is taking over an hour
[02:42] <ClayG> but it's working and you guys LjL and Hobbsee, real good people
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ClayG: not usually that long
[02:43] <ClayG> but here's the sad thing
[02:43] <ClayG> i would be without apt-get or rpm
[02:43] <ClayG> right?
[02:43] <LjL> yeah
[02:43] <ClayG> I mean if you had to compile everything it would be a process somewhat like this
[02:44] <LjL> but APT repositories do have a lot of programs
[02:44] <ClayG> of coarse you would know what you are doing and it would take a 10th of the time
[02:44] <ClayG> but still
[02:44] <ClayG> any of you guys use squid or stunnel?
[02:44] <LjL> but, you know, the process of compiling is as complicated (or more) in windows
[02:44] <LjL> it's just that people usually do *not* compile there
[02:44] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:45] <LjL> but, we can avoid compiling here as well, it's just that, sometimes, some programs are only found in source form
[02:45] <LjL> so either we compile them, or avoid using them
[02:46] <ClayG> and is this procedure the same? i mean can i know grab sources at will and compile them
[02:47] <LjL> if they're autoconf sources (most are), yeah; ./configure; make; make install
[02:47] <LjL> (and install required dependencies in the process)
[02:47] <LjL> (and that's the biggest problem)
[02:47] <ClayG> heh yes
[02:47] <Hobbsee> darn dependancies lol
[02:47] <Hobbsee> !info ncurses
[02:48] <ClayG> dependancies suck
[02:48] <LjL> but here's a trick: install auto-apt, and then use "auto-apt run ./configure". auto-apt will automatically ask you to install *all* the required dependencies
[02:48] <ClayG> I had a mean OC dependancy
[02:48] <LjL> trouble is, it will also ask you to install much more ;)
[02:48] <LjL> but still, it can be useful
[02:48] <ClayG> you ever do OC Hobb/L
[02:48] <ClayG> ?
[02:48] <LjL> nop
[02:49] <ClayG> Good
[02:49] <LjL> !find ncurses
[02:49] <ClayG> man Im real happy
[02:49] <ClayG> thanks again guys seriously
[02:49] <LjL> [02:49]  <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'ncurses' (15 shown; 16 total): evms-ncurses ;; lib64ncurses5 ;; lib64ncurses5-dev ;; libncurses-ruby ;; libncurses-ruby1.8 ;; libncurses4 ;; libncurses5 ;; libncurses5-dbg ;; libncurses5-dev ;; libncursesw5 ;; libncursesw5-dbg ;; libncursesw5-dev ;; ncurses-base ;; ncurses-bin ;; ncurses-hexedit.
[02:49] <LjL> you're welcome
[02:49] <ClayG> how long have both of you been using?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> OC?  no, no idea what it is
[02:49] <Hobbsee> since around june/july
[02:50] <ClayG> before that?
[02:50] <LjL> ClayG: using Ubuntu since less than a month (i think), but i've had text-mode Debian on my "home server" for long, like 4 years or so
[02:50] <ClayG> I toyed with the idea
[02:50] <Hobbsee> configure: error: **A (n)curses library was not found. The program needs ncurses to run, Ncurses is freely available at : ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu **
[02:50] <LjL> on my desktop computer, i've been using mostly Windows, though this isn't the first time i use a Linux desktop distro
[02:50] <ClayG> you know the game, install Linux with your XP box so you can "say" you use linuxc
[02:51] <LjL> Hobbsee: i think you need libncurses5-dev
[02:51] <Hobbsee> right
[02:51] <ClayG> but could never get dvd software i needed
[02:51] <ClayG> and really couldnt even install software
[02:51] <ClayG> RPM'
[02:51] <LjL> RPM's evil ;)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> LjL: thanks for that - was looking at that list trying to figure out which one it wanted lol
[02:51] <ClayG> I couldnt figture out, I mean yeah it openned up a .rar like dialog in which i dragged the stuff out to desktop
[02:51] <ClayG> but i had no idea what the hell to do next
[02:51] <LjL> hehe
[02:52] <ClayG> I love tor+privoxy
[02:52] <ClayG> but want to try squid and stunnel, i heard they can be used in conjunction
[02:52] <LjL> never been into that, but i don't think squid is especially easy to setup
[02:52] <Hobbsee> all right, looks like that worked LjL 
[02:52] <LjL> though i might be mistaken and YMMV
[02:53] <LjL> Hobbsee: go get autodeb too :P
[02:53] <Hobbsee> pretty scrolling black text lol
[02:53] <Hobbsee> LjL: could do that
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i usually dont compile things
[02:54] <LjL> no, really, i'd like to have some testers, so if you happen to compile stuff and are confident enough you can undo any damage autodeb might do (don't think it might do much, though), give it a try
[02:54] <LjL> or just give auto-apt a try, as well, autodeb is based on it after all
[02:54] <fujisan> Help
[02:54] <Hobbsee> fujisan: how?
[02:54] <LjL> just don't listen to it when it asks you to install stuff like a Fortran compiler or, god forbid, the DECNet libraries =)
[02:54] <fujisan> i need a app gui for newsgroup
[02:54] <fujisan> but i cant compile apps yet :(
[02:55] <LjL> fujisan: what's wrong with KNode (can be started from Kontact)?
[02:55] <kairu0> anyone know which sound engine realplayer uses?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> LjL: heh...i was only compiling cos there was a howto there
[02:55] <fujisan> KNode?
[02:55] <LjL> fujisan: start up Kontact, and then click on "News"
[02:55] <fujisan> where is Kontact?
[02:55] <LjL> K menu / Office / Personal Information Manager (Kontact)
[02:56] <fujisan> k found it
[02:56] <fujisan> can i download while using nzb files with KNOTe?
[02:56] <fujisan> and what do i use instead of quickpar or does quickpar run on linux?
[02:57] <crimsun> there's the 'par2' package
[02:57] <fujisan> libknodepart.la can not be loaded error when i click on news :(
[02:57] <LjL> from a console, try "sudo aptitude install knode"
[02:58] <LjL> though it should come installed by default...
[02:58] <fujisan> ok done
[02:59] <fujisan> k works ty
[02:59] <LjL> np
[02:59] <LjL> well i'm heading to bed, nite
[02:59] <fujisan> nite
[03:03] <fujisan> Does kubuntu have its own pan package?
[03:04] <nalioth> fujisan: a newsreader?
[03:04] <fujisan> newsclient that supports yENC and Nzb downloading
[03:06] <fujisan> http://pan.rebelbase.com/faq/
[03:06] <nalioth> klibido is supposed to do nzb
[03:06] <nalioth> but i've never gotten it to work
[03:06] <fujisan> hmz
[03:06] <nalioth> to my knowledge there is no integrated nntp/nzb solution for kde
[03:06] <fujisan> wow really ;/
[03:08] <fujisan> this proofs otherwise nalioth : 2.4. Pan disappeared from my KDE start menu after upgrading!
[03:08] <fujisan> suggests*
[03:09] <rebort> does anyone know of a way to bind a key to lower the system volume on kde?
[03:09] <rebort> is there a dcop kmix call maybe?
[03:10] <nalioth> fujisan: you dont have pan on the system or it just fell off the menu?
[03:10] <rebort> i do, but i like not using the mouse as much as possible
[03:10] <fujisan> its not part of kubuntu
[03:10] <rebort> its doable in gnome
[03:10] <fujisan> i need to compile it i think
[03:11] <fujisan> rpms for 386 
[03:11] <nalioth> fujisan: open a terminal and type "pan"
[03:11] <nalioth> rpms?
[03:11] <nalioth> rpms for what?
[03:12] <fujisan>  for pan cuz there is no vendor version for kubuntu
[03:12] <rebort> nobody knows if thats possible?
[03:12] <nalioth> fujisan: have you looked in your adept?
[03:13] <fujisan> pan runs on kde i just saw it
[03:13] <fujisan> i have nalioth
[03:13] <fujisan> and i looked on the pan homepage
[03:13] <fujisan> no vendor version for kde 
[03:13] <nalioth> !info pan
[03:13] <ubotu> pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.14.2.91-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 3608 kB
[03:14] <nalioth> fujisan: i beg to differ
[03:14] <fujisan> gnome 
[03:14] <fujisan> not kde
[03:14] <nalioth> fujisan: pan is a gtk app
[03:14] <fujisan> ?
[03:14] <nalioth> you can install it using adept
[03:14] <fujisan> k
[03:14] <fujisan> whats the command again sudo nano apt- get install pan?
[03:15] <fujisan> or aptitude?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> either
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ah, hang on
[03:16] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install pan
[03:16] <Hobbsee> or sudo aptitude install pan
[03:16] <Hobbsee> no nano there at all
[03:16] <fujisan> k
[03:16] <fujisan> oh yeah nano opens a location
[03:17] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:17] <nalioth> sudo aptitude install pan
[03:18] <nalioth> sudo apt-get install pan
[03:18] <nalioth> either will work
[03:18] <nalioth> nano is a text editor
[03:18] <Hobbsee> a little late there nalioth :p
[03:18] <Hobbsee> try 5 lines up :P
[03:19] <rebort> hey everyone, its possible!
[03:19] <fujisan> it worked only i cant find pan
[03:19] <fujisan> ;/
[03:19] <nalioth> (but the beasts are never gonna get a cab on the weekend again)
[03:19] <fujisan> whats the default install location?
[03:19] <nalioth> fujisan: alt-f2 > pan
[03:19] <fujisan> k ty
[03:19] <helio7> Hi all; if previously Hoary (gnome) required noapic nolapic on my laptop to run, should I try the default with Breezy/Kubuntu or should I try noapic nolapic?
[03:20] <nalioth> fujisan: since it's a gtk app, it probably wont appear in your "internet" menu
[03:20] <fujisan> lol why do i get a standard mailadress like this: fujisan@localhost.localdomain??
[03:21] <nalioth> because you are the owner of the box
[03:25] <fujisan> nalioth you happen to know how to use a nzb-file for pan?
[03:26] <nalioth> fujisan: pan does not use nzb, to my knowledge
[03:26] <nalioth> if it does , i'm gonna whack myself for missing it all these years
[03:27] <helio7> what about lvm vs. not lvm for partitioning system on kubuntu install?  Is it a matter of personal preference?  
[03:28] <fujisan> lol
[03:28] <fujisan> shit
[03:28] <helio7> how many of you chose lvm or not on install?
[03:29] <nalioth> helio7: pretty much, it makes it so all your piecemeal hard drives show in the system as "one" hard drive
[03:29] <nalioth> helio7: i had no reason to choose it
[03:29] <helio7> thanks
[03:33] <fujisan> nalioth:  you ever heard about ninan?
[03:34] <nalioth> what is ninan (answer:no)
[03:36] <fujisan> according to people from newzbin a newsreader that sipports nzb
[03:37] <nalioth> never heard of it, let me go ask uncle google
[03:38] <Hobbsee> !info ninan
[03:38] <nalioth> fujisan: they got a link to ninan? google doesnt have a clue
[03:39] <fujisan> http://ninan.sourceforge.net/
[03:40] <Ayiden> When I go to storage media not all of the media devices show up :(
[03:40] <Ayiden> how do I solve this
[03:40] <Ayiden> They used to I believe
[03:40] <Ayiden> !storage media
[03:40] <ubotu> Ayiden: No idea
[03:40] <Ayiden> ubotu: hi
[03:40] <ubotu> hola, ayiden
[03:40] <Ayiden> lol
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Ayiden: known bug try /media/
[03:41] <Ayiden> ubotu: your smart
[03:41] <ubotu> Ayiden: Are you on ritalin?
[03:41] <nalioth> fujisan: ninan is not a newsreader, it is an nzb client
[03:41] <Ayiden> alright
[03:41] <Ayiden> thanks
[03:41] <nalioth> fujisan: according to the site, it only recognizes .nzb files
[03:41] <fujisan> yer which is great for me nalioth 
[03:42] <fujisan> since i use newzbin
[03:42] <fujisan> ;)
[03:42] <nalioth> fujisan: knzb
[03:42] <fujisan> downloading headers is a pain
[03:42] <fujisan> my usenet provider has a search page for nzb's aswell
[03:43] <fujisan> so nzb is fine for me
[03:43] <fujisan> much easier
[03:44] <fujisan> knzb?
[03:44] <nalioth> !info knzb
[03:45] <nalioth> ah crap. fujisan you'll need to visit sourceforge and compile it for yourself
[03:45] <fujisan> lol thats bad
[03:45] <fujisan> ;(
[03:45] <fujisan> compiling is not for me 
[03:45] <nalioth> the good stuff is never in the repos
[03:45] <fujisan> yer
[03:46] <Hobbsee> nalioth: well pull some strings and get it put in there?
[03:46] <nalioth> fujisan: this knzb is quite a simple program, and is easy to compile
[03:46] <fujisan> it is
[03:47] <kkathman> lots of good help here ... I shall depart to another realm hehe :)
[03:50] <fujisan> i'm going to try ninan like 8 lines of instruction to follow
[03:50] <nalioth> fujisan: keep us informed ( am always in #kubuntu-offtopic 
[03:50] <fujisan> ok
[03:53] <fujisan> nalioth how can i check if i have java 1.4 x in firefox?
[03:54] <fujisan> about:plugins
[03:54] <fujisan> ??
[03:54] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[03:54] <nalioth> fujisan: i dont understand, either
[03:55] <fujisan> i need java 1.4x version to run ninan
[03:55] <fujisan> but i'm not sure if my browser has it
[03:56] <nalioth> it's java based? why are you looking in your browser? open your terminal and type "java --version"
[03:57] <fujisan> yes its java based its a server side app
[03:58] <fujisan> lol
[03:58] <fujisan> why is java that insecure?
[03:58] <fujisan> unstable?
[03:59] <nalioth> not insecure or unstable, i just find apps that are java based are all bloated and slow (and sometimes they are system killers as they eat up all available ram)
[04:00] <fujisan> also on linux?
[04:00] <nalioth> all platforms
[04:00] <fujisan> well i wont bother then
[04:01] <nalioth> fujisan: i haven't run windows since 2000
[04:01] <fujisan> i dont like the fact that its server side
[04:03] <fujisan> how about newsan nalioth : http://www.tommy.vuurwerk.nl/
[04:05] <nalioth> fujisan: that's another server based thing
[04:06] <fujisan> yer perl based
[04:06] <fujisan> lmao
[04:06] <nalioth> requires mysql and apache(2)? that's a big load for nzb tool
[04:06] <fujisan> yes and no proper instructions
[04:08] <fujisan> this one looks good: http://www.hellanzb.com/trac/
[04:10] <nalioth> fujisan: good luck with that one. i tried it and was unsuccessful
[04:11] <fujisan> lol
[04:11] <fujisan> they have an irc channel you got support from them?
[04:14] <ClayG> does anyone know the command to search the whole Filesystem for a file? or flag?
[04:17] <sambagirl> i am running kbuntun
[04:17] <sambagirl> kubuntu
[04:17] <sambagirl> i am going to install djplay
[04:18] <sambagirl> it comes as rpm and source.
[04:18] <sambagirl> i suppose i cannot use rpm right?
[04:18] <jsubl2> check out alien sambagirl 
[04:18] <sambagirl> alien?
[04:18] <jsubl2> converts rpms to debs
[04:18] <freeflying> sambagirl: install source with kinstaller
[04:19] <jsubl2> yeah that is a better idea
[04:19] <sambagirl> oh really?
[04:19] <sambagirl> so where do i find alien?
[04:19] <jsubl2> apt-get install alien
[04:19] <sambagirl> so i can take rpm and make debs
[04:19] <freeflying> alien is not a good idea
[04:19] <sambagirl> ok
[04:20] <sambagirl> brb
[04:20] <sambagirl> apt-get install alien
[04:20] <jsubl2> yeah the problem is you could be missing a library.. and by using kinstaller you will see if you are missing something.. I personally have never used it
[04:20] <sambagirl> ok
[04:20] <sambagirl> kinstaller?
[04:21] <freeflying> sambagirl: yeah,use kintaller
[04:21] <sambagirl> how do i use kinstaller?
[04:22] <sambagirl> i probably should still get alien just to have, no?
[04:22] <fujisan> How do you open a terminal in a file again?
[04:22] <sambagirl> i already haev alien it says
[04:22] <sambagirl> cool
[04:23] <nalioth> sambagirl: it is easier on your kubuntu to compile it, sambagirl 
[04:23] <sambagirl> ok
[04:23] <sambagirl> i'll donwload it first
[04:23] <nalioth> sambagirl: using non ubuntu packages isnt good
[04:23] <sambagirl> brb
[04:24] <sambagirl> what is some very cool video editing software? something very very very cool.
[04:27] <nalioth> sambagirl: cinepaint
[04:28] <sambagirl> can i do apt-get cinepaint install ?
[04:28] <jsubl2> sambagirl, i have also heard the kino is good video edit software
[04:29] <sambagirl> can i do apt-get kino?
[04:29] <nalioth> sambagirl: you can "sudo apt-get install kino cinepaint"    and get both at once
[04:29] <sambagirl> hot dog
[04:29] <jsubl2> yes.. sambagirl apt-cache search kino first.. there are some other things you may want also
[04:30] <hagen> konichwa
[04:30] <hagen> oops
[04:30] <hagen> konichiwa
[04:31] <sambagirl> ok i did that
[04:31] <sambagirl> wow this is a powerful environment
[04:36] <sambagirl> this is just so rediculous, i came to ask about djthing and here  i am now installing cine and the other thing lol
[04:36] <sambagirl> this whole thing is just so crazy
[04:38] <`Nomad> Hi all..  I finally have my ASUS Tv card working, video-wise, but can't get any sound yet.. Anyone up to a challenge?
[04:38] <`Nomad> sambagirl: Hi.. Are you new to linux?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: you'll find trying to find your way around xfce even harder lol :P
[04:40] <sambagirl> sorta
[04:40] <sambagirl> i ran it for an amiga ftp once 
[04:40] <helio7> I think xfce4 is quite intuitive
[04:40] <sambagirl> but it was something different called slackware
[04:40] <sambagirl> ver 1 i think was the cdrom
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> man, I must say, kde system:/ media:/ and other "protocols" are pretty damn lame when it comes to opening an external tool like gimp that doesn't understand system:/
[04:40] <sambagirl> but i had a big manual too.
[04:41] <`Nomad> kewl1  :)
[04:41] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good way to preview "exactly" how OpenOffice *.doc files will look when opened up in MS Word? without using wine, possibly a website..
[04:41] <Hobbsee> helio7: i'm sure it is for some - but i couldnt figure out how to get a lot of the programs to open!
[04:41] <sambagirl> well i am sort of mad becaouse nothing is installing properly
[04:41] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i suspect not all the toys were installed
[04:41] <Hobbsee> nalioth: possibly, synaptic said that they were
[04:42] <sambagirl> i try to install 1 thing and i need a jack for this and asla needs to be fixed for that and then it starts the jack and i still don't see jack ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: pdf?  if you find a better answer, i'd like to know
[04:42] <`Nomad> knowerrors:  Do they still have Word-viewers at M$?  It would mean using wine but is probably the only way
[04:42] <sambagirl> then i see i already have an alien on my computer too.
[04:43] <helio7> kde is so purty :-) I've been on Ubuntu for 11 months, it's my first install of kubuntu as of 10 minutes ago!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it is!
[04:43] <sambagirl> nothing is simple but it is if you understand it but if you dont it isnt so your stuck if nobody helps you. to read the instructions is like reading martian for me.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: some of the instructions are copy paste - not too difficult
[04:44] <Hobbsee> some deserve to be taken outside and shot though
[04:44] <sambagirl> and then i see some of these people tying l foo| grep grub -Vxz ~! boo hoo /? sys go ;D
[04:44] <Hobbsee> which is where someone needs to go edit the wiki :P
[04:45] <sambagirl> i wonder how in gods name they even understand each other, they must be martians.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: well, those are useful commands, you copy them, paste them into terminal, then pastebin the output - then they look, perform large miracle, adn tell you what to do - simple really :P
[04:46] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: what do you recommend if Im going to be editing same file on OOo and MS Word, back and forth?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: um...how complex will the file be?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> you'll have to do it is .doc if you want to edit it constantly
[04:46] <nalioth> Knowerrors: use .rtf
[04:46] <Hobbsee> or that
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i'd forgotten about that
[04:47] <Knowerrors> pretty simple, just bolds and underlines, bullets, italics, stuff like that
[04:47] <nalioth> rtf is Universally recognized
[04:47] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: you eventually learn it: like lsmod means ls (list) the mod (modules) which is the stuff connected to your computer.   never figured out what grep is though, but you dont really need to know till you're helping others with those commands
[04:48] <Knowerrors> I just opened a file I created on Word 2K, and all was fine except the document ran 2 lines over onto a second page, when it shoul dbe one page
[04:48] <nalioth> unlike .doc or .oOo (whatever it is)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> .ods
[04:48] <Hobbsee> or .odt
[04:48] <Hobbsee> whichever
[04:48] <sambagirl> i'll learn it 
[04:48] <nalioth> sambagirl: learning is fun
[04:48] <Hobbsee> one's a spread sheet, ones a writing document
[04:48] <sambagirl> when i learn it i will make a video on the commands and stuff.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: lol...not all in one hit, you wont :P
[04:48] <sambagirl> learning is not fun ;)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> oh i dont konw
[04:49] <Hobbsee> depends what it's about
[04:49] <Knowerrors> nalioth: is there a way to use OOo to batch convert a bunch of .doc files to rtf?
[04:50] <sambagirl> here is a good example, i almost finshed downloading the complete little rascals collection of movies and shorts which is over 10gb and lo and behold something hppened with only 8% left to finish and i learned just now that the whole thing might be corrupted so i dont have anything! 
[04:50] <Knowerrors> or kword, or whatever program will do the coversion the best?
[04:50] <nalioth> Knowerrors: there are other tools for that, i suspect
[04:50] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: what did you use to download it?
[04:50] <sambagirl> utorrent
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:51] <sambagirl> but it is running on windows ME so they blame windows ME and i suppose that is the problem.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <sambagirl> the thing keeps rebooting on its own
[04:51] <nalioth> sambagirl: oh no!
[04:51] <Hobbsee> but hey, rebooting is not BSoD'ing
[04:51] <Hobbsee> although i suppose they are both as bad as each other
[04:51] <nalioth> Hobbsee: no. it's worse
[04:52] <Knowerrors> nalioth: for one at a time... what is best to convert? (OOo, Abiword, Kword)?
[04:52] <sambagirl> oh wow it corrected itself
[04:52] <sambagirl> so it is requeing 
[04:52] <sambagirl> excellent
[04:52] <nalioth> abiword is an rtf standard editor
[04:52] <nalioth> abiword is lightweight
[04:52] <unsurreal> OOo is bloat :P
[04:52] <Hobbsee> but does it read opendocument file formats?
[04:53] <nalioth> Hobbsee: opendocument?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> .odt
[04:53] <unsurreal> open doc text
[04:53] <unsurreal> new standard?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> what ooo2 saves as default, what kword writes, all that
[04:53] <sambagirl> ok iinstalled kino and what was the other one?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> same standard, it's the open one
[04:53] <Hobbsee> PK????????
[04:53] <Hobbsee> 8_3^2
[04:53] <Hobbsee> instead of a page of text - i dont think so!
[04:53] <sambagirl> kino works excellent thank you
[04:53] <sambagirl> can u make short cuts on the desktop?
[04:54] <nalioth> Knowerrors: to be honest, M$ has put such a huge amount of cruft into their doc standard, it's probably easier to use M$ word to convert to rtf
[04:54] <nalioth> sambagirl: you certainly can
[04:54] <sambagirl> this is not a friendly enviroment for your typical users 
[04:54] <sambagirl> i know alot of people would love this but to have them in the root all the time doing this doing that would be bad, no?
[04:55] <nalioth> sambagirl: correct
[04:55] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: that would be where you use sudo instead
[04:55] <sambagirl> but it's so much fun to i suppose hack about with it playing with it sort of i suppose
[04:55] <nalioth_zZz> Hobbsee: her point is that to have novitiates powering around wearing their 'sudo' is a bad position
[04:55] <Hobbsee> true
[04:56] <sambagirl> can cine open a real player file?
[04:57] <sambagirl> no will not open it
[04:57] <Knowerrors> Where do I change the default file format in OOo? want to change to rtf
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: it's in the options, i think tools, options?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> it's in the save tab
[04:59] <`Nomad> under Load/Save
[04:59] <`Nomad> General
[05:01] <`Nomad> So no one is familiar with sound issues using TVTime
[05:03] <`Nomad> allright, good night all, back to google it is :)
[05:08] <Tigerhawk> Hello
[05:08] <ClayG> Anyone have a recommendation for PPC software, something like activesync?
[05:11] <sambagirl> what is tvtime?
[05:12] <sambagirl> so cine paint does not open mpg video?
[05:12] <sambagirl> or i suppose convert it to jpeg let me think about it
[05:16] <ClayG> anyone know a good nix version of tmpgenc. vcdgear or scvd2dvd? 
[05:17] <sambagirl> so i suppose i use konquerer to make the icons for the desktop for cine and cinepaint?
[05:17] <ClayG> wish I could help you, I haven't been able to get a dvd to successfully play without chopping every few seconds
[05:19] <ClayG> Hobbsee have you used multisync?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> ClayG: ah...dont think so, not sure what it is
[05:19] <Hobbsee> where's it recommended to put /swap on a hard disk?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> the beginning?  the end?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> !info multisync
[05:20] <ubotu> multisync: (A program to synchronize PIM data), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.82-5.1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
[05:20] <Hobbsee> no, havent used it
[05:20] <ClayG> !xdvdshrink
[05:20] <ubotu> ClayG: I give up, what is it?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> !info xdvdshrink
[05:21] <Hobbsee> test
[05:21] <Hobbsee> testing....
[05:22] <Hobbsee> good!
[05:22] <Hobbsee> oh well, see you all a little later...
[05:53] <xtacocorex> anyone running cpufreqd instead of powernowd for processor scaling on a laptop?
[06:19] <McScruff> hi, im trying to compile an image for a tv box and getting an error
[06:19] <McScruff> configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
[06:20] <regeya_> #ubuntu is busy enough that you can make an inflamatory comment about gnome and not get a bite ;-)
[06:28] <h> how do I change the permission of /dev/nvram and make it permanent? The permission is reset on every reboot.
[06:33] <_dylan> howdy
[06:41] <laszlok> whats a good audio editor for kde (im thinking like audacity)
[06:42] <Tm_T> well, audacity
[06:42] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:43] <Knowerrors> Can anybody recommend some good unofficial ubuntu repositories?
[06:43] <h> Knowerrors: why do u need that?
[06:43] <Tm_T> I was asking the same
[06:44] <Knowerrors> for kde packages that aren't in universe/multiverse
[06:44] <Knowerrors> stuff Im too lazy to build myself
[06:44] <Knowerrors> and miscellaneous programs
[06:45] <Knowerrors> some stuff Ive seen/read about that Mandriva and Suse have Id like to try also
[06:45] <Tm_T> ...I don't think you will find such repository
[06:46] <Knowerrors> I already know of some :)
[06:46] <Knowerrors> just  want some personal recomendations
[06:47] <Knowerrors> I think PLF has some...
[07:04] <Knowerrors> good extra repositories I found...
[07:05] <Knowerrors> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ breezy-extras main restricted universe multiverse
[07:05] <Knowerrors> deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free deb-src ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[07:06] <Knowerrors> both are safe for k/ubuntu, wont break it
[07:06] <flames> hi, how can i stop vnc server?
[07:07] <flames> netstat -l -> tcp6       0      0 *:5800                  *:*                     LISTEN
[07:11] <Tm_T> Knowerrors: mirrormax repository supposed to be closed
[07:12] <Knowerrors> really, did they change to something else?
[07:13] <Tm_T> dunno, I don't use backports myself
[07:13] <bigcx2> hey all
[07:14] <Knowerrors> Im reading in a post right now about that server, seems people are using it
[07:14] <bigcx2> does anyone in here successfully use seahorse or a gpg caching program under kde?
[07:15] <Tm_T> bigcx2: like kgpg?
[07:15] <bigcx2> nah
[07:16] <kkathman> hiya  Tm_T :)
[07:16] <bigcx2> i'm trying to build packages...and in gnome i used seahorse to cache my gpg phrase
[07:16] <bigcx2> but seahorse seems to die under kde for some reason
[07:16] <Tm_T> hum
[07:16] <Tm_T> ah, that's your problem
[07:16] <Tm_T> sorry, don't know
[07:16] <Snake_> Hey guys
[07:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[07:16] <Snake_> Can I get your opinions?
[07:17] <Tm_T> no!
[07:17] <bigcx2> course not
[07:17] <bigcx2> :)
[07:17] <Tm_T> get your own opinions
[07:17] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:17] <Snake_> Do you think kubuntu 5.10 would run good a 266 MHz, 32-64 mb (not sure which one) RAM, 80 gig HDD?
[07:17] <Knowerrors> LOL, no
[07:18] <Knowerrors> try xubuntu
[07:18] <kkathman> Snake_: the memory requirement is quite low
[07:18] <Knowerrors> do a server install with the regular install cd Snake_
[07:18] <kkathman> Snake_: you should at least have 128mb
[07:18] <bigcx2> yea i'll second that
[07:18] <kkathman> and even then it would be better suited for gnome
[07:18] <Snake_> Yea I would buy more, but ehhh its a old PC and I just want to set up a small webserver
[07:18] <Knowerrors> then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop , which might run on your system
[07:19] <kkathman> Snake_: no need for GUI on a webserver
[07:19] <kkathman> just learn CLI
[07:19] <bigcx2> well hell if it's a webserver what do ya need gui's for?
[07:19] <Snake_> To set it up
[07:19] <kkathman> bigcx2: exactly
[07:19] <Snake_> lol
[07:19] <kkathman> Snake_: Learn CLI !
[07:19] <Snake_> Meh
[07:19] <bigcx2> granted cli isn't for everyone
[07:19] <Snake_> I would use XP, but I know that would run like a whore on it
[07:20] <bigcx2> ya got that right, plus apache sucks on windows
[07:20] <kkathman> bigcx2: but you are right and Snake_ should know it...if you are going to run a webserver...then learn CLI
[07:20] <bigcx2> true
[07:20] <kkathman> bigcx2: well it doesnt suck, but you have to learn to configure it properly on Windows which is a pain
[07:21] <kkathman> much easier to configure on Linux
[07:21] <bigcx2> right 
[07:21] <Snake_> I know basic CLI from using kubuntu on my desktop, but I wouldn't have any idea how the hell to do it in a 100% CLI enviroment
[07:21] <kkathman> Snake_: well, GUI is easy to learn, but CLI is a necessity for a committment to Linux, in my opinion
[07:22] <bigcx2> the only way to find out is to go at it! man pages my friend
[07:22] <bigcx2> and lots of patience
[07:22] <bigcx2> ;)
[07:22] <kkathman> Snake_:  you dont have to learn a million commands, maybe about 15-20 or so and know their variants
[07:22] <Snake_> kkathman: I agree, but as of right now it's just a small little 4 page website that I really don't want to invest a year of time into lol
[07:22] <kkathman> maybe not even that many
[07:23] <Snake_> http://wildbear.selfip.com is all I am trying to host
[07:23] <kkathman> Snake_: are you trying to host it or just develop?  Are you just setting one up for local testing?
[07:23] <bigcx2> so has anyone in here built any packages under kde?
[07:23] <kkathman> bigcx2: yes
[07:23] <bigcx2> ok, do you use seahorse?
[07:24] <Snake_> kkathman: It's already built, I need to host it now aswell
[07:24] <kkathman> nope
[07:24] <kkathman> Snake_:  ah ok...then yes you should learn CLI
[07:24] <bigcx2> do you just type your passphrase in twice
[07:24] <Snake_> :(
[07:24] <Snake_> lol
[07:24] <kkathman> or you'll need to beef your system up
[07:24] <Snake_> sHmmmm
[07:24] <kkathman> bigcx2: I dunno, honestly, I just have made a couple with checkinstall, and not the "official" ones
[07:25] <Snake_> I wonder how XP in classic mode would run :-D
[07:25] <bigcx2> ah ok
[07:25] <bigcx2> nm then
[07:25] <kkathman> XP in classic mode for a webserver?
[07:25] <Knowerrors> Snake_: try Puppy linux, made for little boxes like that
[07:25] <kkathman> Knowerrors: or DSL is good
[07:26] <kkathman> but a bit more work
[07:26] <Snake_> kkathman: Yea why not?
[07:26] <Snake_> IIS :)
[07:26] <kkathman> Snake_: one word.... security
[07:26] <kkathman> Snake_: you are buying alot of security probs with any windows webserver
[07:27] <kkathman> but if you can handle those...go for it
[07:27] <Snake_> Okay heres what I figure, 1)I'm behind a routers firewall 2) It's going to be on its own box, with nothing more, how much secruity am I risking
[07:27] <Snake_> ll
[07:28] <kkathman> Snake_: well, routers dont make a lot of difference cuz you have to allow access to most exploitable ports, and 2) being on your own box is irrelevant
[07:29] <Snake_> I don't know much about hackers, but okay, if I host my site on this box behind the router, with only port 80 open, thats all they would have access to correct?
[07:29] <kkathman> LAMP systems are a bit more secure, as there are no exploitables out there really for LInux
[07:29] <kkathman> Snake_: well, you cant have just 80 open and operate a webserver really.
[07:30] <Snake_> That's all I got open now :-P
[07:31] <Snake_> + I cant host a very large one, because it's only on my home line, a whopping 512 k up
[07:31] <kkathman> but webservers usually need to see 21, 25, 80, and 110 at a minimum..others if you do more things
[07:33] <kkathman> but I guess it you just are offering up http, might could get by on 80 alone
[07:33] <Snake_> What is 25 and 110?
[07:33] <Snake_> SMTP and
[07:34] <kkathman> 21 = FTP,  25 = SMTP,  110 = POP3  (i.e. email)
[07:34] <kkathman> as long as you dont want your users to send mail yer ok
[07:34] <workingmansdead> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going worng?
[07:35] <Snake_> Yea I don't need email
[07:35] <v-dogg> http (80) and ssh (22) is a good start for a home web server
[07:35] <Snake_> ssh?
[07:35] <v-dogg> for scp/sftp
[07:35] <v-dogg> ftp is not secure and should be avoided
[07:35] <v-dogg> just like pop/imap without ssl encryption
[07:36] <Snake_> ah
[07:36] <Snake_> Meh I dun need all this BS, i'll serving up is 4-10 HTTP files lol
[07:36] <Snake_> all i'll be*
[07:37] <v-dogg> maybe setting up a free yahoo account or like would do the trick them ;)
[07:37] <kkathman> lol
[07:37] <Snake_> Actually I got a gmail account :)
[07:37] <v-dogg> s/them/then/
[07:37] <Snake_> I plan to use
[07:38] <Snake_> Anywho on the linux side of things, CLI or try xfce?
[07:41] <Knowerrors> Id try Puppy linux first, its a live cd that can be installed to hard drive if you like it, much better for a weak system than ubuntu...
[07:41] <Snake_> Okay
[07:42] <Snake_> Is it debian based aswell?
[07:42] <Knowerrors> no, for that you may want Damn Small Linux
[07:42] <Snake_> Alright
[07:42] <Knowerrors> try em both :)
[07:42] <Knowerrors> they can also run from usb flash drives...
[07:43] <Snake_> Sweet
[07:43] <Snake_> I got a 256
[07:43] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:44] <Knowerrors> yeah, Puppy is less than 50mb... you can use the rest to store files
[07:44] <Knowerrors> DSL is tiny too
[07:45] <damnhil> how do I setup vsftp server for each user?
[07:45] <PokerFacePenguin> Knowerrors: not only that...its damn small linux :P
[07:45] <chaoticgeek> omg, there is only one bad thing I have to say about my roomate... His g/f calls at 1 something in the morning
[07:45] <chaoticgeek> almost every day
[07:46] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: get one of those neono light phones and silence ringers
[07:46] <PokerFacePenguin> neono = neon
[07:46] <chaoticgeek> lol
[07:46] <chaoticgeek> good idea
[07:46] <chaoticgeek> nice thing though he left because she demanded
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> been nice if she would have called earlier
[07:47] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: besides the cool factor, they are quite useful in a situation such as yours
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> wow, it says I have lag of 33s
[07:47] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: flashes for the ring
[07:47] <PokerFacePenguin> s or ms?
[07:47] <chaoticgeek> s
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> now its down to 718 ms
[07:48] <PokerFacePenguin> well you arent laggin that bad
[07:48] <PokerFacePenguin> mine is like 81 ms
[07:48] <chaoticgeek> wow down to 330 ms
[07:48] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: must be listening to music or somethin
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> me?
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> yes
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> no
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> I've got kopete in my sys. tray though
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: i figured something was working your cpu
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> not unless kopete counts
[07:49] <chaoticgeek> now that I'm up might as well check my news and emails
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: do a top and see 
[07:50] <chaoticgeek> a top?
[07:50] <PokerFacePenguin> konsole >> top
[07:50] <PokerFacePenguin> if you are kde
[07:51] <chaoticgeek> root has lots of stuff running
[07:51] <PokerFacePenguin> the things at the top are workin your box the hardest
[07:51] <chaoticgeek> most useage from one thing 1.7 cpu w/ 4.7 mem (in %)
[07:52] <chaoticgeek> xorg is taking up 22% mem w/ 1% cpu
[07:52] <PokerFacePenguin> xorg usually is up there
[07:54] <chaoticgeek> I want to get two more sticks of 512 ram
[07:55] <chaoticgeek> I've got two sticks of 256 but 512 is just not enough for me :)
[07:56] <chaoticgeek> I think thats what I'll do after x-mas
[07:56] <chaoticgeek> Give me 1.5 gigs worth of goodness. :) I'll be able to have fun with anything hehe
[07:57] <PokerFacePenguin> :)
[07:57] <PokerFacePenguin> thats the great thing about linux, its use of ram
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> ya, but more is always nicer
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> also since I dual boot linux/windows
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> windows can always use more ram
[07:58] <PokerFacePenguin> i dual boot too, linux and linux :P
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> lol
[07:58] <PokerFacePenguin> technically, linux, linux, and more linux
[07:58] <PokerFacePenguin> if you count kernels
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> I'd like to get another hard drive too, and have a dedicated hard drive for linux and one for windows/tv recordings
[07:59] <chaoticgeek> I've only got a 160 now, and its starting to fill up
[07:59] <PokerFacePenguin> you running mythTV?
[07:59] <chaoticgeek> no
[07:59] <chaoticgeek> I want to get that up and going
[07:59] <PokerFacePenguin> I spend too much time on the computer to watch much tv
[07:59] <PokerFacePenguin> :P
[08:00] <chaoticgeek> I did the ./config for it and it had lots of no's for what I did not have installed
[08:00] <chaoticgeek> almost everything in the video support said no, and I looked into it and it means I need a video card 
[08:00] <PokerFacePenguin> i been working on LAMP for a few days...finally figured it out
[08:00] <PokerFacePenguin> drupal messed me up bad
[08:02] <PokerFacePenguin> something with the pkg is broken i believe...not sure...but i got a successful phpbb2 running and drupal errors
[08:03] <chaoticgeek> ok I have a facebook account cuz I go to college and my freinds wanted me to get it. And it allows me to d/l a visual representation of my freind network in a .php file
[08:03] <chaoticgeek> what would I use to open it?
[08:04] <PokerFacePenguin> have you tried to open it with anything?
[08:04] <PokerFacePenguin> a web browser should open it
[08:04] <chaoticgeek> I try w/ konquror and it just gives me all the code
[08:05] <PokerFacePenguin> is it wrapped in html?
[08:06] <chaoticgeek> when I d/l it in firefox it says its a SVG file
[08:06] <chaoticgeek> firefox just wants me to save it again
[08:08] <PokerFacePenguin> chaoticgeek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG
[08:08] <chaoticgeek> damn 2 am
[08:10] <PokerFacePenguin> ah, another east coaster
[08:10] <PokerFacePenguin> :) me too
[08:10] <chaoticgeek> ya
[08:10] <Swedish_Chef> hi, i just installed kubuntu-desktop on breezy. when i'm in kde, all my gtk applications have terrible fonts and styles, different from what's in gnome. any way to integrate them better in kde?
[08:10] <chaoticgeek> I got class at 11 tomorrow
[08:10] <Swedish_Chef> i tried the gtk+ configuration in system settings, but that hosed gtk, and i had to delete ~/.gtk* to keep my gtk apps from coredumping
[08:18] <chaoticgeek> wow its going to be a pain in the but to get svg working
[08:21] <chaoticgeek> ah screw it agg libs dont want to configure for me
[08:23] <h> is your font in settings:/LookNFeel/  has use anti-aliasing for fonts?
[08:23] <h> Does your font in settings:/LookNFeel/  have use anti-aliasing for fonts?
[08:24] <Swedish_Chef> h: yes it does
[08:24] <chaoticgeek> maybe sudo apt-get install kdegraphics will work
[08:25] <chaoticgeek> nope...
[08:30] <aftertaf> hi all
[08:33] <hussam> aftertaf: hi
[08:33] <aftertaf> hi :)
[08:33] <aftertaf> hows things?
[08:34] <hussam> aftertaf: good, you?
[08:35] <aftertaf> for a monday morning ;) getting there
[08:37] <hussam> Monday's suck especially when I stay up till 12:30AM and then I have to be up again at 6:00AM
[08:38] <hussam> It's an hour and a half drive by can from my house to university especially in this bad weather so I have to get up at six
[08:38] <hussam> by car*
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> thats why I like staying on campus, just a 5 min walk to any class I have
[08:39] <aftertaf> hussam:  where you at?
[08:40] <hussam> In Lebanon but I'm not Lebanese , that's GMT +2 hours
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> speaking of classes I should get to bed so I can go to them
[08:40] <hussam> chaoticgeek: I've tried that before, but I didn't really like it.
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> I like it here
[08:40] <hussam> chaoticgeek: lol
[08:40] <aftertaf> lol
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> 2:30 am and I got classes at 11
[08:41] <aftertaf> bah loads of time left then..; ;)
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> ya
[08:49] <penguinzdr> i have 100% cpu load when i play with amarok. i have followed the instructions on setting up dmix, but the problem stays. how can i fix it?
[09:13] <oficina> hello
[09:13] <oficina> How do I find files in linux? In a FAT32 partition? "ls *.iso" doesn't work. "find *.iso" doesn't work either
[09:17] <oficina> hello
[09:17] <chaoticgeek> hello
[09:18] <oficina> chaoticgeek: how can I search for files from linux? The files are in a fat32 partition. "ls *.iso" doesn't work. "find *.iso" doesn't work.
[09:18] <oficina> slocate only works inside the ext2 part of linux.
[09:23] <penguinzdr> why ubuntu is on first place in distrowatch, not kubuntu?
[09:23] <oficina> because ubuntu is more popular
[09:24] <penguinzdr> i dont care. kubuntu is better
[09:25] <oficina>  nevermind. i wasn't using the find command correctly
[09:25] <oficina> ubuntu is more popular. period.
[09:25] <oficina> ubuntu is the original.
[09:28] <oficina> gosh, linux sucks
[09:39] <Rayman_> I'm currently using ubuntu. How could I switch to kubuntu? Is apt-getting the kubuntu-desktop as good as fresh install?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Rayman_: yes, except you will then have all of gnome still there
[09:40] <Hobbsee> after that, try an "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop"
[09:41] <Rayman_> k. ty.
[09:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: well, that only removes ubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: using apt-get it does, not with aptitude...
[09:43] <Tm_T> ah ok
[09:45] <Hobbsee> i'm told
[09:45] <Tm_T> "I've been told" ;)
[09:47] <aftertaf> hi Hobbsee :)
[09:47] <Hobbsee> argh....i had a really nice theme for firefox earlier, and now i've lost it!
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hey aftertaf 
[09:47] <aftertaf> pimpzilla
[09:48] <chaoticgeek> wow, digg.com brings up some good poitns about google
[09:48] <chaoticgeek> and now I sleep, 11am class is going to suck
[09:48] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:49] <Hobbsee> :) found it again
[09:52] <Hobbsee> right, what else do i need to configure?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> it cant be this short only...
[09:53] <Hobbsee> ah, email program
[09:55] <Hobbsee> done that too...
[09:57] <aftertaf> whatchoo doing Hobbsee reinstalling?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: just did, now configurign teh lot again
[09:58] <aftertaf> ahh nasty.
[09:59] <aftertaf> why d you do that??? ;)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> screwed my system up very badly....
[10:00] <Hobbsee> there's this wonderful idea about having breezy stable and dapper for testing
[10:00] <Hobbsee> which works as long as you dont suddenly decide to use your breezy for testing as well, and screw it up
[10:00] <aftertaf> lol
[10:00] <Hobbsee> !info ncurses
[10:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:02] <raphink> lol
[10:02] <penguinzdr> how can i uninstall kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu machine without making any damage?
[10:06] <raphink> what exactly do you want to uninstall penguinzdr ?
[10:10] <penguinzdr> raphink: everything KDE, i want to use again GDM and GNOME
[10:10] <raphink> then you need to remove all libs
[10:10] <raphink> one by one
[10:11] <penguinzdr> when i remove KDM will GDM start automatically?
[10:11] <raphink> not sure
[10:12] <penguinzdr> hmm... i will stay with KDE until Ubuntu "Dapper Drake" release...
[10:13] <raphink> k
[10:13] <raphink> that's in 5 months
[10:14] <penguinzdr> i know
[10:14] <penguinzdr> but i willnot risk to crash my system
[10:20] <aftertaf> penguinzdr:  you can remove kdm then run dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[10:27] <penguinzdr> wtf i can not access my floppy! why?
[10:28] <aftertaf> wont it mount?
[10:28] <user413> LOL
[10:28] <penguinzdr> how can i mount it?
[10:28] <penguinzdr> i am inserting the diskette in the floppy drive and then nothing appears in /media/floppy
[10:29] <penguinzdr> my father is sure that have something writed on the diskette
[10:29] <aftertaf> mount /media/floppy
[10:29] <penguinzdr> lets try
[10:33] <penguinzdr> i now want to remove the diskette. should i enter some command or just press the button on the computer case?
[10:34] <penguinzdr> aah done
[10:38] <penguinzdr> hm.. i think that i really like KDE
[10:38] <Hobbsee> back :)
[10:40] <penguinzdr> aftertaf: that trick with the mount command will work with CDs or CDs mount automatically?
[10:41] <aftertaf> penguinzdr:  auto, normally, depends on your /etc/fstab
[10:41] <aftertaf> default is auto though
[10:48] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: configured akgregator again - yay lol
[10:48] <aftertaf> lol
[10:48] <aftertaf> i'm on dapper right now :)
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[10:48] <Hobbsee> i should boot there again
[10:48] <Hobbsee> how do you like it?
[10:53] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: how do you like it?
[10:57] <aftertaf> seems ok, no real differences yet
[10:57] <aftertaf> nothing ive noticed anyway
[10:59] <Hobbsee> true
[11:20] <Rayman_> Any good how-tos for JRE?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[11:21] <ubotu> well, javadeb is see !javadebs
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !javadebs
[11:21] <ubotu> from memory, javadebs is at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:21] <Hobbsee> is the easiest i've seen
[11:22] <Rayman_> ty
[11:37] <kairu0> hey all
[11:42] <kairu0> hey Hobbsee 
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[11:43] <kairu0> what you up to?
[11:43] <mal1> why is gnome so much slower than kde?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> kairu0: configuring kde, after reinstalling it earlier
[11:44] <kairu0> fantastic
[11:44] <Hobbsee> got firefox rc3, kde3.5 rc1 - i rather like living on the bleeding edge lol
[11:44] <kairu0> did getting the 3.5 break you?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> no
[11:49] <Hobbsee> no, i screwed up open office somehow, and had wine on there, which i stuffed up, and couldnt get to fully remove
[11:49] <kairu0> you got any arts problems?
[11:49] <Hobbsee> not with rc1
[11:49] <Hobbsee> with beta2 - heaps
[11:49] <kairu0> cool
[11:49] <kairu0> i'm running on the stale stable edge
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:50] <kairu0> is 3.5 faster for u
[11:50] <Hobbsee> very boring...
[11:50] <Hobbsee> hmmm...faster...probably a little
[11:50] <kairu0> i see
[11:51] <aftertaf> not going firther than b1 till its stable though
[11:51] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: of 3.5?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> rc1 seems around the same in terms of stability as beta1
[11:51] <aftertaf> yep
[11:53] <manveru> hey guys, quick questions - on trying checkinstall i get this one 'cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors'
[11:53] <kairu0> i wonder if they fixed keymap problems with 3.5
[11:54] <manveru> well, my question - how do i turn it off - as the error doesn't seem critical to me
[12:02] <Hobbsee> no idea
[12:02] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[12:02] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I haven't a clue
[12:02] <Hobbsee> how does one go about creating a symlink?  i cant remember
[12:03] <Hobbsee> is it ln where/the/file/is where/the/symlink/is/created?
[12:03] <bimberi> Hobbsee: ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[12:03] <Hobbsee> right
[12:03] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[12:04] <bimberi> np :)
[12:04] <Hentai^XP> whats finger?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> !info finger
[12:04] <ubotu> finger: (user information lookup program), section net, is optional. Version: 0.17-8 (breezy), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
[12:05] <kairu0> thats it
[12:06] <kairu0> i'm going cutting edge
[12:06] <kairu0> with kde at least
[12:06] <nikkia> Hobbsee: if you want the same base name at the current directory, you can omit the second parameter
[12:07] <Hentai^XP> !finger
[12:07] <ubotu> Hentai^XP: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:07] <nikkia> Hobbsee: ie ln -s /usr/bin/ls     <- creates a 'ls' symlink to /usr/bin/ls in the current directory
[12:07] <Hobbsee> nikkia: say what?  oh, i see
[12:07] <Hentai^XP> Hobbsee tool for getting info?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: !info <keyword>
[12:07] <Hobbsee> useful
[12:08] <Hentai^XP> hmm yeah I don't run ubuntu or kubuntu
[12:08] <Rayman_> !jedit
[12:08] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Rayman_
[12:08] <Rayman_> !w32codecs
[12:08] <ubotu> somebody said w32codecs was binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Hentai^XP: what are you running?  xp?
[12:08] <Hentai^XP> yes
[12:09] <kairu0> Hentai^XP, are you proud of that?
[12:09] <manveru> kairu0: he runs xubunutu :)
[12:09] <Hentai^XP> ?
[12:10] <Hentai^XP> running windows XP sp2
[12:10] <Hentai^XP> run as a limited user
[12:10] <manveru> urgs one u too much
[12:10] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah, that's what i thought
[12:10] <Hobbsee> i tried xfce today...didnt like it at all!
[12:10] <manveru> Hobbsee: i'm running wmii and kde - depends on the tasks i have to do
[12:10] <kairu0> manveru, i used to run xubuntu..before kubuntu that is
[12:11] <Hentai^XP> bbi 20
[12:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:11] <kairu0> i really really like xfce speed
[12:11] <Hentai^XP> E:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32>finger
[12:11] <Hentai^XP> Displays information about a user on a specified system running the
[12:11] <Hentai^XP> Finger service. Output varies based on the remote system.
[12:11] <viviersf> erm wtf is going on here
[12:11] <viviersf> *throws up @ windows xp*
[12:12] <manveru> it's not _that_ bad... it's even worse...
[12:13] <manveru> however, some people like it - and i don't want to insult them
[12:13] <Hobbsee> 98's worse again, but we can continue this discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:13] <Hentai^XP> will do in there
[12:13] <Hentai^XP> but later
[12:13] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's not really on topic, is it gentlemen?
[12:13] <Hentai^XP> nope
[12:13] <manveru> was only insterested in the point hentai wanted to demonstrate...
[12:14] <manveru> oh man, my spelling is crap today
[12:14] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:15] <kairu0> i'm going to be awesome
[12:15] <kairu0> the ladies will dive after my fallen hair once i am running kde 3.5rc1
[12:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:16] <crimsun> Hobbsee doesn't seem to be diving after it.
[12:16] <kairu0> pocahontas and snow white will sing to my gui's glory
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[12:16] <Hobbsee> the ladies will see that and think that you are shallow :P
[12:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: indeed, you are right
[12:18] <Hobbsee> on both counts
[12:20] <Hobbsee> how old are you anyway kairu0?
[12:20] <kairu0> 22
[12:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:21] <kairu0> you're the 20th female to ask since i began installing kde 3.5rc1
[12:23] <kairu0> oh now i'm finished
[12:23] <kairu0> no need to advertise how attractive people find me now that i've upgraded
[12:23] <kairu0> time to log out
[12:23] <Hobbsee> people will version you if they really want to...
[12:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ok then lol....
[12:28] <JakubS> hello
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi
[12:28] <crimsun> Hobbsee: (yeah, some people...)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:29] <JakubS> does kernel included in dapper live cd contain SATA suspend patches?
[12:29] <crimsun> if they're included in 2.6.15-rc1, then yes
[12:30] <JakubS> they are not, besides dapper seems to include 2.6.12
[12:30] <crimsun> although the 2.6.15-rc1 linux image that we have in the archive is not the default one yet, that's still 2.6.12.3ish
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ah, so i'm not going crazy - when does 2.6.14 go into dapper?
[12:30] <crimsun> dapper has 2.6.12 and 2.6.15
[12:30] <Hobbsee> right
[12:30] <crimsun> Hobbsee: (it won't, we're targeting 2.6.15)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> i see...but isnt 2.6.15 a testing one, seeing as it's an odd number release?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: or did that change
[12:31] <JakubS> i'm currently using 2.6.15-rc1 on suse and it sucks - swsusp does not work, nor suspend to memory
[12:31] <crimsun> it'll be a stable release per usual (anything 2.major == even is)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> right
[12:31] <JakubS> 2.6.12 from dapper seems to be able to at least hibernate properly
[12:31] <crimsun> JakubS: they haven't been updated, that's why
[12:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, well .15 is odd, isnt it?
[12:31] <Hentai^XP> manveru ?
[12:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: the revision following 2.major isn't relevant
[12:32] <JakubS> 2.6.13 won't even boot without acpi=off
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ah...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:32] <JakubS> and 2.6.15 breaks vbetool so maybe it is not so good idea to update yet :-)
[12:33] <crimsun> hence why 2.6.15 is not yet the default in Dapper
[12:33] <JakubS> well, it is not even released yet 
[12:34] <crimsun> our 2.6.15 image, of course
[12:34] <crimsun> not 2.6.15 upstream
[12:34] <JakubS> from anyway looking at acpi-support package it seems that kubuntu has much more complete laptop support than suse
[12:34] <crimsun> we both know it's not past rc2 yet
[12:35] <JakubS> yes, i only installed it because i hoped it has enough fixes to make my laptop act as real laptop (sleep support)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> mmm...laptop support - my laptop will boot and survive for 17 mins only, without AC power - nasty
[12:36] <crimsun> ouch
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:36] <Hobbsee> good for short power failures, otherwise the computer must go off before data is lost
[12:38] <JakubS> kubuntu is booting for 13 minutes now and it is not yet completed
[12:38] <JakubS> this is what i get for using crappy cd-rw
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ouch
[12:39] <JakubS> but as i remember even with good cd kubuntu is longest booting live distro i ever seen
[12:40] <crimsun> there's significant work to reduce that time
[12:40] <crimsun> we're bootcharting all that
[12:41] <manveru> Hentai^XP: yeah?
[12:42] <Hentai^XP> what did you want to hear about?
[12:43] <JakubS> does kubuntu support encrypted /home partition?
[12:43] <crimsun> JakubS: it'll support anything you hack it up to do
[12:43] <manveru> Hentai^XP: for example what you're doing in a (k)ubuntu-channel while being all for xp?
[12:49] <Cowpat1989> morning/afternoon
[12:49] <Hobbsee> evening :)
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> manveru are you in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:50] <Cowpat1989> hey, would anyone like to give me a hand with something?
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> if not can you come in there as not to be off topic here
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Cowpat1989: can try, but not without more info :P
[12:51] <Cowpat1989> obviously
[12:51] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:51] <Hobbsee> the idea pretty much is "dont ask to ask, just ask"
[12:52] <Cowpat1989> i just installed kubuntu to my laptop today and i wasn't given a chance to enter a root passwd
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !root
[12:52] <Hobbsee> heard of sudo?
[12:52] <Cowpat1989> how can i get around this
[12:52] <Cowpat1989> yeah
[12:52] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:52] <Hobbsee> check that page - ubuntu uses sudo
[12:52] <Hobbsee> same with kubuntu
[12:52] <Cowpat1989> oh ok
[12:52] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:52] <JakubS> wow, suspend to ram actually worked with kubuntu
[12:53] <JakubS> i guess this is time to kiss suse goodbye
[12:53] <Hobbsee> lol nice
[12:53] <Cowpat1989> yeah, when i go into the package manager, it asks for one
[12:53] <Cowpat1989> and im more used to knoppix
[12:53] <Hobbsee> it's asking for the sudo password, which is the user which was created at installation
[12:53] <JakubS> (or just copy kernel and acpi-support)
[12:54] <JakubS> i spent 2 days configuring suse to my liking,  i guess it was wasted time :-(
[12:55] <Cowpat1989> well i enter the passwd i entered and it dosn't want to work
[12:55] <Cowpat1989> but i will try sudo
[12:58] <Cowpat1989> thanks
[01:08] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can I create and manage a mysql database with mysql-admin?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> you might want to ask that in #mysql if you get no answer here
[01:09] <DjDarkman> k ,10x Hobbsee 
[01:14] <Hobbsee> night all...
[01:46] <ubuntu> eo
[01:48] <mintywalker> if i increase the size (in pixels) of the taskbar
[01:48] <mintywalker> the application icons increase in size too
[01:48] <mintywalker> is there a way to shrink them back down, to leave more space for other things in the taskbar?
[01:48] <mintywalker> I've hunted around configure panel with no luck so far ...
[01:59] <user1> Hmmmm
[02:00] <redondos> Hello. What's the name of the package(s) that contain widgets for the kde panel, such as a bandwidth monitor graph?
[02:04] <aftertaf> it is kalles katomic
[02:04] <dipnlik> aftertaf: nethack? frozen bubble? :P
[02:26] <Zeusz> hy .look I can't configure my network under kubuntu
[02:27] <Zeusz> can u help me
[02:27] <Zeusz> how can i make it to remember my network settings?
[02:28] <leagris> hello
[02:29] <Zeusz> i configured my network with command
[02:29] <Zeusz> s
[02:29] <Zeusz> but when i reboot
[02:29] <Zeusz> all my network settings are forgotten
[02:30] <leagris> ho do you setup email client to use in Firefox for "Send Page by email" or "Send URL by email" ?  My current setup launch Evolution but Id like it to launch Thunderbird instead ?
[02:39] <Rayman_> !w32codecs
[02:39] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[02:45] <Rayman_> !mp3
[02:45] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:47] <Rayman_> !multiverse
[02:47] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[02:47] <Rayman_> !sources
[02:47] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:53] <leagris> How do I setup email client to use in Firefox for "Send Page by email" or "Send URL by email" ?  My current setup launch Evolution but Id like it to launch Thunderbird instead ? I tryed about:onfig and looking inside Edit Preferences. I even searched Env variables settings. Where is it configured ?
[02:54] <dipnlik> leagris: think you have to configure your system's default email client
[02:54] <leagris> yep and ? Where is that ?
[02:54] <dipnlik> leagris: doesn't T-Bird have an option for "set as default"?
[02:55] <leagris> neither
[02:55] <leagris> Kde kcontrol says default to Kmail ^^
[02:55] <dipnlik> leagris: also you could look for something in KDE Control Center, or even something to disable in Kmail or Kontact
[02:55] <dipnlik> :)
[02:56] <leagris> Nothing related to kmail, default email client for firefox is Evolution. I'd like it to be Thunderbird
[02:58] <leagris> Asked that in #ubuntu and was told to ask #kubuntu ^^
[02:59] <apokryphos> if you use kde, and you want to not use kmail as default mail client, you have to alter it from systemsettings
[03:00] <leagris> what programm is systemsettings. Do you talk about kcontrol ?*
[03:01] <apokryphos> leagris: kcontrol is a similar program. You can also alter it from kcontrol
[03:01] <leagris> kcontrol is simmilar to what program ?
[03:01] <apokryphos> systemsettings
[03:01] <apokryphos> try it out; alt+f2 -> systemsettings
[03:02] <leagris> ok i am in but what section ?
[03:03] <leagris> internet and networking has ne section about email client
[03:04] <apokryphos> leagris: User Account -> Default Applications
[03:05] <leagris> apokryphos, the settings here says it use kmail
[03:05] <apokryphos> so change it
[03:06] <leagris> Ok, but Firefox don't call kmail
[03:06] <apokryphos> it should respect the environment default; take a shot at it
[03:07] <dipnlik> apokryphos: leagris's problem is that FF is not using this config, because it calls evo and not kmail
[03:07] <leagris> Changing the setting to Thunderbird.. Firefox continue to call Evolution even after quitting Firefox
[03:07] <apokryphos> oh
[03:07] <apokryphos> hm
[03:08] <leagris> In a shell I did : env | grep -i evolution and found nothing
[03:10] <apokryphos> leagris: hm, not sure how ff determines which one to use then. Might be worth asking in #firefox
[03:10] <leagris> fgrep -ri evolution  ~/.mozilla/firefox/ found nothing
[03:10] <nikkia> firefox is probably using your *gnome* setup, as it is a gnome app at heart (technically, gtk, but it uses config options from gnome)
[03:11] <nikkia> the kubuntu build has some fixes to remove that dependancy, but its likely the fixes don't cover everything
[03:12] <leagris> I guess if I remove evolution it will default to something else ^^
[03:12] <nikkia> leagris: most likely, yes, or just try and open evo anyway :)
[03:13] <nikkia> leagris: you *can* change it within firefox
[03:13] <leagris> I dont like evolution, to unstable
[03:13] <leagris> nikkia, i searched edit/prefences and about:config and found nothing
[03:13] <leagris> I even searched my profile directory with grep
[03:13] <nikkia> leagris: yes, its a bit tricky, see, what happens is...
[03:14] <nikkia> first of all, firefox looks to see if its been told to override the system mail handler, if not, then it goes and looks at its own mime-types mappings, if it still hasn't found it, it asks gnome what its mime-types handler for mailto: is
[03:14] <leagris> I cant beleave it is had compled inside the Thunderbird binary
[03:14] <leagris> I even searched the launch script in /usr/bin/mozilla-tnunderbird
[03:15] <nikkia> there are several ways you can fix it, as a result, one is to configure gnome, one is to configure a mime-type for firefox, the last is to write a line to your profile that forces it to use something else
[03:15] <nikkia> leagris: as i said, you're probably falling all the way back to whatever gnome is set to use for mail, which would very probably be evo, so that looks a strong possibility
[03:16] <leagris> I unsintalled Evolution, now the action in Firefox does nothing :)
[03:16] <nikkia> if you want to force ff to use something, you need to edit your prefs.js and add something like:
[03:17] <nikkia> user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.mailto", "/usr/bin/kmail");
[03:17] <nikkia> i'm not sure i'd say that is the best way to tell ff to use kmail/whatever, but it should work
[03:18] <dipnlik> nikkia: http://daryl.learnhouston.com/?p=171
[03:18] <dipnlik> sorry, that was for leagris 
[03:18] <nikkia> once the Qt version of ff is more complete, this might be a little easier on kde distros :)
[03:19] <leagris> thanks dipnlik, in fact network.protocol-handler.expose.mailto is now set to false and there ar no app.mailto
[03:19] <nikkia> leagris: no, there wouldn't be one by default
[03:19] <nikkia> leagris: its an option that is considered a 'last resort', its generally considered better to ask the underlying OS first
[03:20] <dipnlik> leagris: thank nikkia, only now I realized a google search for firefox about:config default email client could help :P
[03:20] <nikkia> i've gone thru this personally, because i am using LFS with a non-working gnome setup
[03:20] <leagris> ok
[03:21] <leagris> Is ther en env variable I can use to hav this set tup system or per user ?
[03:21] <nikkia> leagris: if you want  it system wide, you need to modify the system-wide gnome mime-types database
[03:22] <leagris> nikkia, you mad it much more clear to me how all the stuff is entrenched now. I can continue my own investigations. Thank you soo much for the help
[03:23] <nikkia> leagris: its perhaps easier, if you're a relative newbie to linux, to picture the mime-types stuff much like the windows file extensions stuff (which isn't surprising, as windows has used mime-types for its application mapping for a long time now :)
[03:24] <leagris> Do you think this is appropriate to fill a bugzilla report for ubuntu or kubuntu about this ?
[03:24] <nikkia> leagris: hmm, not sure, if anything, it'd be a kubuntu bug, since using the gnome applications settings on ubuntu would be 'the right behaviour'
[03:24] <nikkia> leagris: but i imagine the kubuntu ff maintainers are well aware that the de-gnome-ing of ff is far from complete
[03:25] <nikkia> (assuming there's even a seperate kubuntu ff, but i think there must be, as some things are de-gnomed
[03:26] <nikkia> plain built-from-mozilla-sources ff *always* uses 'esd' for sound, for example, whereas i believe the kubuntu ff doesn't
[03:26] <GNAM> when next kubuntu with kde 3.5?
[03:26] <GNAM> shall I wait until dapper?
[03:26] <apokryphos> GNAM: there are 3.5rc1 debs available. See /topic
[03:26] <leagris> I can't call myself a newbe, using linux since 1997 from suse 5, some many mandrake and ubuntu. Now that is a short time I deal with Firefox/Thunderbird. I used Seamonky Mozilla all that pas time
[03:27] <nikkia> leagris: fair enough, the issues are the same with mozilla, just less visible since the email is integrated :)
[03:27] <leagris> That's true 
[03:29] <leagris> I can't deal with Evolution yet I tryed it from its ready birth compiled from CVS tree and incomplete. Now it is still very less stable than Thunderbird
[03:31] <leagris> Remind me of the times I found Evolution on Freshmeat (great, that may replace Outlook some day.. Tryed it, tryed it again until very recently. And it can not still be used without random crashes :)
[03:33] <leagris> and yet, the Microsoft OSA connetivity in evolution is still a joke (sorry for that).
[03:37] <hiasll> hi! is it possible to have a boot-splash with lilo, or do i have to install grub?
[04:15] <blanky> how can I install KDE without all those apps, I'm running ubuntu
[04:20] <apokryphos> blanky: all what apps?
[04:20] <apokryphos> !installingkde
[04:20] <ubotu> apokryphos: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:20] <apokryphos> hm
[04:21] <apokryphos> read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE for possible ways of installation
[04:22] <pipitas_2> Riddell: ping
[04:22] <nalioth> apokryphos: did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:22] <apokryphos> I sure hope not
[04:23] <dipnlik> hi all. tried to send e-mail using mutt but failed, response is: 554 sorry, mailfrom without country or top level domain is administratively denied (in reply to MAIL FROM command) . Any ideas on how to solve this?
[04:23] <dipnlik> the From: field contains my e-mail address
[04:26] <nalioth> dipnlik: did you configure mutt to use your local smtp server?
[04:28] <dipnlik> nalioth: not yet, not sure what do I have to configure, can you help?
[04:28] <nalioth> dipnlik: look in your ~/.muttrc
[04:29] <nalioth> dipnlik: iirc, by default mutt uses your boxes smtp daemon to send mail (and i dont think you've set that up, eh)
[04:29] <dipnlik> nalioth: yes, it uses sendmail
[04:29] <nalioth> dont set up your boxes smtp server unless you have it forwared through gmail or whatever your offsite email provider is
[04:30] <dipnlik> nalioth: so what do you suggest me to do? I want to have a console e-mail program...
[04:31] <nalioth> dipnlik: first , read the mutt documentation, it will use external smtp to send
[04:32] <nalioth> and your mutt settings are in ~/.muttrc
[04:33] <dipnlik> nalioth: oh, so it can use smtp. read somewhere it couldn't o.O
[04:35] <nalioth> dipnlik: iirc, sendmail is an implementation of smtp
[04:39] <thoreauputic> dipnlik: in ubuntu, install postfix - sendmail is just a convenient hook that will work fine with postfix
[04:39] <thoreauputic> and sendmail is a nightmare to configure
[04:40] <nalioth> thoreauputic: mutt can use external smtp or so i thought
[04:40] <nalioth> thoreauputic: if he uses his box to send mail, it's still gonna get bounced, i suspect
[04:41] <thoreauputic> ah - I bow to your greater knowledge then
[04:42] <dipnlik> thoreauputic: wiki.mutt.org tells about esmtp. But then I'd have to store my password plain text on ~/.esmtprc :S
[04:43] <dipnlik> thoreauputic: and postfix and sendmail are already installed, what type of config do I need to do?
[04:45] <nalioth> dipnlik: unless you are using google, or some other ssl enabled email provider, your pass gets sent plaintext across the network every time you check your mail
[04:51] <bubblenut> Hey, is there a tutorial around on how to upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[04:51] <apokryphos> !breezyupgrade
[04:51] <ubotu> methinks breezyupgrade is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:55] <nalioth> apokryphos: recent additions to the factoid include dire warnings, lol
[04:56] <apokryphos> yup, noticed
[04:56] <bubblenut> Eh, I'm falling at the first block, I try to install the kubuntu-desktop package and it asks me to insert the disk
[04:57] <bubblenut> Please insert the disk labeled:
[04:57] <bubblenut> Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)
[04:57] <bubblenut> in drive /cdrom/
[04:57] <apokryphos> bubblenut: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the CD source
[04:58] <apokryphos> bubblenut: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:58] <nalioth> bubblenut: you dont have your install disk handy? nobody else does, either, lol
[05:01] <bubblenut> Sweet, now is there any way of shutting down kynaptic without doing a kill -9 on it once it's stuck in it's "Please in sert the disk ..." loop?
[05:01] <apokryphos> bubblenut: just kill that piece of crap :D
[05:02] <nalioth> bubblenut: oops. open a konsole and type 'xkill' and touch kynaptic
[05:03] <bubblenut> poof! ... and it was gone :)
[05:04] <Flying_Eagle> fuck! the first pre-version of dapper drake? thats quite fast O_O
[05:05] <JakubS> eww, backporting kdemm like suse did is bad idea - in suse it is crashy as hell
[05:08] <dennis_p> Will there be a video configuration tool? forums are filled with questions about such basic configurations
[05:10] <ubuntu> anyone does hard drive install have moprte apps than live Cd???
[05:10] <ubuntu> more??
[05:11] <dennis_p> no but installing is easy with adept
[05:11] <ubuntu> anyone here
[05:11] <ClayG> has anyone here used k9copy of xdvdshrink before?
[05:12] <Flying_Eagle> no
[05:12] <Flying_Eagle> but acidrip is quite cool
[05:13] <ubuntu> why is the boot up so long compared to other distros i mean seems like extra routines??
[05:13] <ClayG> can acidrip compress dvd's?
[05:14] <ClayG> like make them fit on a standard blank?
[05:14] <ubuntu> Also can u install from live cd or have to have the install cd??
[05:15] <Flying_Eagle> ClayG, yes. but its not like "insert dvd, insert dvd-r, finished"
[05:16] <bubblenut> err kubuntu.org breezy-updates/main isn't found, this isn't specifically mentioned in the tutorial, does this mean that I don't need it?
[05:17] <nalioth> ubuntu: you need the install cd to install breezy and previous
[05:17] <_douglas> has anyone set up a cvs server or svn server in kubuntu?
[05:17] <GuerillaTactiks> Hello I need some serious help, I can't log on into kubuntu anymore. Have no idea why. The login dialog shows up then I put in the details (I know them 100%) and it goes blank for a second like its about to log in but then goes straight back to the login dialog. It was working perfect for the last week
[05:18] <ubuntu> whast breezy???
[05:19] <GuerillaTactiks> Its kubuntu 5.10
[05:19] <v-dogg> GuerillaTactiks: caps lock
[05:19] <dennis_p> 5.10 is nicknamed breezy
[05:19] <GuerillaTactiks> No its not that, I checked
[05:19] <GuerillaTactiks> It does not deny my login
[05:20] <GuerillaTactiks> If I put the wrong details it shows at bottom that it was invalid. But in this case it accepts details, almost logs in then comes back with no error or anything
[05:20] <GuerillaTactiks> And I have been logging in fine for whole week
[05:21] <GuerillaTactiks> I can log into the console mode though
[05:22] <futurama> hi everybody
[05:23] <futurama> can samebody help using konversation?
[05:23] <ClayG> Flying_Eagle, can it at least save the output as an image/.iso?
[05:24] <GuerillaTactiks> Can someone help me please
[05:24] <ClayG> ah it only saves them in .avi and .mpg
[05:24] <ClayG> need it in a dvd or dvdlike format
[05:26] <ubuntu> How is kubuntu differnt from other distros??
[05:29] <chaoticgeek> its kubuntu
[05:29] <chaoticgeek> go to kubuntu.org I bet they say something like that on the website
[05:30] <nalioth> !kubuntu
[05:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:30] <bhna> futurama: how?
[05:31] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[05:31] <ubotu> hey, chaoticgeek
[05:33] <chaoticgeek> I need a good quote
[05:33] <futurama> hi, I've never used konversation before: what is a channel and where can I get it?
[05:35] <bhna> futurama: you are in the channel #kubuntu. you can join another channel with /join #otherchannel
[05:36] <bhna> futurama: wich program do you use now?
[05:36] <bhna> futurama: http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/
[05:38] <futurama> Konversation
[05:42] <nalioth> "chaoticgeek is da r0xorZ"  ?
[05:49] <sdogi> any ideas how to disable that console framebuffer thing that has been included with breezy
[05:49] <sdogi> it doesn't work very well with my laptop, some lines are not being showed when screen gets full of text, so i have to type clear to see what i'm typing
[05:54] <hussam> what's a qt3/kde torrent client?
[05:54] <sdogi> ktorrent
[05:55] <hussam> ok thanks. I'll try that
[06:15] <Ayiden> hi, does anyone here know a way to edit the links in systemsettings
[06:15] <Ayiden> ?
[06:16] <Ayiden> I would like to add some programs there for a friends PC.. 
[06:17] <Ayiden> Systemsettings looks like a simple interface with links in it.. Im hoping thats all it is.. as long as it can be edited through configuration files, html, or C basic i will be fine
[06:18] <Ayiden> !systemsettings
[06:18] <ubotu> Ayiden: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:18] <Ayiden> hmmm
[06:18] <Ayiden> lol
[06:18] <Fillado> i'd do it the simple way - add a folder called "Other System Settings" to the KDE menu
[06:18] <_xuniL> heh..
[06:18] <Ayiden> ubotu: nice robot
[06:18] <ubotu> Ayiden: I haven't a clue
[06:18] <_xuniL> he sure is :D
[06:18] <Ayiden> Fillado: ha
[06:19] <nalioth> doesnt kde have a menueditor when you right click the 'k' ?
[06:19] <Ayiden> Fillado: yeah I could but that would be running away from what I was trying to do.. ill never know how that way *(lol)
[06:20] <_xuniL> it should have yes nalioth
[06:20] <Ayiden> yes but Im going to try to change system settings and then from there im looking into how to integrate programs into kcontrol
[06:23] <Ayiden> nalioth: kde has the worst menu editor... its cursed I have moved things in it and had it make doubles of items and still not put them in the right stop... Its okay for adding a program here and there but if you want to totally redesign its just not going to work
[06:23] <_xuniL> i got no problem with it!?
[06:25] <gigcs> hi nalioth
[06:25] <nalioth> gigcs: howdy
[06:26] <Ayiden> Im making a complete custom version of kubuntu. Im adding a grub splash as well as making configuring grub easy for someone comming from window. Also I am taking aout a few programs and having an option to boot enlightent with kde. I find kubuntu to have alot of nive features but The reason for me wanting to edit kcontrol is that I want everything used to configure the system and "change its look" to be found in the same p
[06:27] <Ayiden> _xuniL: the menu editor is fine but try changing the names of multimedia and internet etc... and then moving the files aroundand completly changing the look of the menu... it WILL mess up especially if you try to do it all at once
[06:27] <_xuniL> k :(
[06:27] <gigcs> i want not defalut x-window in kubuntu. 
[06:27] <Ayiden> most people dont do that so its a minor bug
[06:29] <Ayiden> _xuniL: dont worry I dont know for fact that it has not been fixed... you see I found this bug in kde 3.4.2 not 3.4.3 like kubuntu breezy has.. I havint tried it in breezy because i REALLY dont want to have to go through THAT again *(lol)
[06:29] <_xuniL> heh :D
[06:35] <yannick> ehrm, i just installed kubuntu.  and the installer didn't ask me for a root pw?? is there a default one?
[06:36] <_xuniL> heh no..
[06:36] <sampan> yannick, no ... (k)ubuntu doesn't use root -- it uses sudo (with your own pw).
[06:36] <sampan> !root
[06:36] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:37] <yannick> ohh... ic. coming from gentoo ;)
[06:38] <divan> Anyone here know why OpenOffice.org2 official has not bn added to repositories??
[06:38] <gigcs> not default startx  kde .How To
[06:39] <nalioth> divan: because it's not backported yet?
[06:40] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:41] <divan> nalioth: Aren't k/ubuntu devs pretty quick at backported stuff like that? I mean its pretty important update?
[06:42] <nalioth> divan: right now the focus is on getting the core dapper sorted (installers for 3 archs, etc)
[06:45] <divan> OK, cool. Thanks nalioth!
[07:00] <nemster> i'd like to test kde 3.5 rc1. i added the line to sources.list. which apt-get command do i need to use to install it?
[07:02] <nalioth> nemster: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <divan> or apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:02] <nemster> apt-get update gave me some errors. i now updated with adept lets see...
[07:04] <gigcs> i want not  boot  default  is kde . i want text mode not kde . but system have kde.  
[07:05] <nalioth> ubotu: tell gigcs about bum
[07:14] <Chizn> how would i connect to an SMB share in windows? i have tried but i get a username and password prompt but nothing will work as the usernam or password
[07:19] <divan> Chizn: It should work, check the following:Case sensitivity,firewall,&Share name!
[07:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anyone here tell me what the difference is between what the difference is kompmgr and xcompmgr?
[07:20] <gigcs> i want install package  from cd .
[07:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anyone here tell me what the difference is between kompmgr and xcompmgr?
[07:23] <gigcs> nalioth: i want install package from cd . command install from cd .
[07:23] <Chizn> divan, if i share say /mnt/win would i type "\\10.0.0.4\mnt\win" ? or just \win?
[07:25] <nalioth> gigcs: sudo apt-get install pkgname"
[07:26] <unixhead> gigcs: all of the packages on the cd are copied to your hard drive during the install
[07:27] <nalioth> unixhead: not all of them, just the ones that are installed
[07:27] <gigcs> problem dependency package
[07:28] <unixhead> nalioth: funny when i install build-essential and linux-headers-386 after the install they are on my hard drive already
[07:29] <nalioth> unixhead: anything you install using apt-get is downloaded as a deb and kept in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:29] <unixhead> i install those packages to set up my internet
[07:32] <gigcs> if i  have package from internet in /var/cache/apt/archives  and i want these package install  without internet .
[07:33] <nalioth> gigcs: sudo dpkg -i name_of_file.deb
[07:33] <divan> Chizn: Depends what the share name is. Are you doing this through Konqueror? If so you could simply type smb://10.0.0.4
[07:35] <gigcs> command dpkg and problem dependency  package .
[07:35] <at1as> 
[07:35] <nalioth> gigcs: what pkg do you want?
[07:36] <gigcs> package xmms
[07:37] <gigcs> nalioth: i want install xmms package.
[07:37] <unixhead> gigcs: apt-get install xmms
[07:38] <Ayiden> what is the logic behind ubuntu's deb package versions... for instance one packae says version: 1.203ubuntu4 while another ubuntu 16 or 3? there are tons of numbers after the ubuntu.. Im making an ubuntu package and would like to know what number needs to go after ubuntu if any.. it is a package that is made for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:38] <nalioth> gigcs: open a console and type "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[07:39] <gigcs> but if not internet. mean  i can not install xmms.
[07:39] <tvo> Ayiden: I think it's <debian version>ubuntu<ubuntu version>
[07:39] <tvo> Ayiden: ie. you start with ubuntu0, if you do a new upload you make ubuntu1, etc.
[07:40] <unixhead> gigcs: xmms is copied over from the cd onto the hard drive during the install so it should install
[07:40] <Ayiden> tvo: thanks alot 
[07:40] <nalioth> unixhead: xmms is standard in kubuntu?
[07:40] <unixhead> nalioth: no amarok is
[07:41] <nalioth> unixhead: then gigcs will need to be online to get xmms, if it's not on the install cd
[07:41] <unixhead> nalioth: i think starting with breezy all packages on the cd are dumped into apt's cache
[07:42] <unixhead> with hoary you had to insert the cd
[07:42] <gigcs> i have cd kubuntu hoary.
[07:44] <nalioth> gigcs: download a hoary Ubuntu install disc (unless you have one already)
[07:44] <unixhead> gigcs: hmm not sure if xmms is on the kubuntu cd's
[07:45] <nalioth> gigcs: xmms is on the ubuntu install cds, download a hoary one and come back and see us
[07:46] <gigcs> if wish  add package xmms on cd. and install xmms from cd . what  is command install from cd .
[07:47] <nalioth> gigcs: once you get the ubuntu hoary install cd, put it in your machine, and it should ask if you want to install things from it
[07:49] <lollypop> hello
[07:50] <gigcs> nalioth:if  i wish add  other package on cd. and install  other package from cd .
[07:52] <Chizn> divan, i still cannot get the password
[07:53] <Chizn> would it be my regular signin username and password or would i make one for shares somewhere?
[07:53] <nalioth> gigcs: download the ubuntu hoary install cd
[08:00] <gigcs> nalioth: if ubuntu hoary install cd .but  not have package i wish. How im  add package on cd. 
[08:02] <gummel> hi
[08:03] <nalioth> gigcs: i dont know what you are asking. i've answered every possible way to install a pkg (from a cd or otherwise)
[08:03] <arthurb> Hi, I have a slight problem with kdebluetooth... whenever I activate bluetooth, KBluetoothD pops up a warning stating that my hcid class is set to 0x0 and suggests to fix that in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf... however in my conffile, the class is NOT set to 0x0 as claimed but to 0x100000 as suggested
[08:06] <gigcs> nalioth:if you have cd  but cd you not have package at you want. and not internet.how do you make?. for install package at you want .So i want  add package at i want into cd .
[08:07] <nalioth> !info xmms
[08:07] <ubotu> xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 979 kB, Installed size: 7216 kB
[08:07] <nalioth> gigcs: xmms is on the hoary ubuntu install cd
[08:08] <gigcs> nalioth: if  i  wish  package other. you have advise.
[08:09] <nalioth> gigcs: what language are you comfortable with ?
[08:09] <unixhead> gigcs: if its not on the cd or in the online repos then you will have to compile it from source
[08:10] <gigcs> nalioth:im sorry.
[08:11] <gigcs> unixhead:how to .
[08:11] <nalioth> gigcs: what is your primary language?
[08:11] <gigcs> thai
[08:12] <gigcs> nalioth:thai 
[08:12] <Zeep> Hi
[08:12] <nalioth> gigcs: ok. i'm looking for a thai speaking room now
[08:12] <gigcs> nalioth:thai language.
[08:13] <Zeep> I have a problem with my intel IP2200 WLAN-card (HP z3000 notebook) while using WEP-encryption
[08:13] <at1as> 
[08:14] <Zeep> Whenever I am connected to a wep-encrypted network, my system crashes within ~5 minutes. The problem doesn't occur when I'm using a LAN or WPA-encrypted connection. Can anybody give me a pointer?
[08:14] <gigcs> unixhead: i wish add package on cd .
[08:14] <nalioth> ubotu: tell gigcs about compile
[08:15] <unixhead> gigcs: how come you cant get xmms from the internet?
[08:16] <unixhead> gigcs: look on packages.ubuntu.com if you cant find something
[08:17] <marius_> offff ... I was in another channel
[08:17] <marius_> how did I get there ...?
[08:18] <marius_> no idea ... but ... people, why can't I play a sound file like an mp3 ... and a movie file like *.wmv?
[08:18] <nalioth> unixhead: xmms is on the ubuntu hoary install cd, and it can be installed from there onto  a kubuntu install
[08:18] <nalioth> marius_: your nick is not registered, which is why you ended up in that other channel
[08:18] <nemster> i cant get my sound to work, error is similar to ;  ./dev/dsp cant be openend the soundserver will use /dev/null . i have a laptop with intel8x0 i guess. anyone?
[08:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell marius_ about register
[08:19] <gigcs> unixhead: problem dependency with package . you have advise manage with dependency.
[08:19] <marius_> why should I register my nickname
[08:19] <marius_> I will never be here again with marius ... maybe I'll change it...
[08:19] <marius_> do I have to register?
[08:19] <unixhead> nalioth: seems a bit excessive to download a whole cd for xmms
[08:20] <unixhead> gigcs: what does it say you are missing
[08:20] <nalioth> unixhead: i've told him about packages.ubuntu.com and getting xmms and depends
[08:20] <at1as> 
[08:21] <Chizn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats maybe that will help marius
[08:22] <unixhead> nalioth: hmm ok
[08:23] <gigcs> unixhead:thank you.
[08:24] <unixhead> gigcs: no problem
[08:24] <marius_> REGISTER ghdjk
[08:28] <Kinomees> could someon suggest good themes for KDE ... besides kde-look.org
[08:28] <gigcs> unixhead: i wish add/remove package into install cd . you  have advise.
[08:30] <nalioth> gigcs:  i sent you this link two days ago >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[08:32] <gigcs> nalioth: yes, but i read and make  but i have problem .
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[08:32] <ubotu> que tal
[08:32] <nalioth> gigcs: you are attempting an advanced task. i dont know anything about remastering an install cd
[08:33] <chaoticgeek> that is still fun
[08:34] <chaoticgeek> hello?
[08:34] <nalioth> hello?
[08:34] <gigcs> nalioth: thank you. who i can ask.
[08:34] <chaoticgeek> hello?
[08:34] <nalioth> gigcs: ask in #ubuntu 
[08:35] <uny> hi everybody. how is ist possible to start the konqueror  using the different profiles? thx
[08:35] <chaoticgeek> I've got a question, can I use my home dir (/home/*) as my home dir for multiple distros?
[08:36] <apokryphos> uny: konqueror --help
[08:36] <nalioth> uny: of course. open a console and type konqueror --help
[08:36] <uny> thx
[08:36] <chaoticgeek> like have Kubuntu, and slackware installed to their own root (/) and have my home (/home/nugget) as one dir for both?
[08:36] <_crash> Anybody about?
[08:36] <chaoticgeek> no
[08:36] <unixhead> chaoticgeek: no
[08:37] <_crash> Obviously.
[08:37] <chaoticgeek> ...
[08:37] <chaoticgeek> well there goes that idea
[08:37] <chaoticgeek> that would be so cool if you could
[08:37] <unixhead> chaoticgeek: but you can use /home/ but have a diff nick for each distro
[08:37] <_crash> <-- Needs help with Flash on a fresh Kubuntu install :-P
[08:37] <chaoticgeek> well... that is nice too
[08:38] <unixhead> _crash: whats the problem?
[08:38] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell _crash -about !restricted
[08:38] <chaoticgeek> crap I cant spell
[08:38] <_crash> I installed it via the Adept frontend.. and... it still turns up blank though I think I have the plugin for it in the browser now.
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell _crash -about !codecs
[08:39] <unixhead> maybe the flash you are trying to view is made with flash 8
[08:39] <chaoticgeek> wornt one
[08:40] <unixhead> ubuntu only having flash 7
[08:40] <_crash> Nope, it won't show up.
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell _crash -about !flash
[08:40] <_crash> (Why isn't it telling me anything?)
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell _crash -about flash
[08:40] <_crash> Oh!
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> because I dont know what I'm doing
[08:40] <chaoticgeek> ok there you go
[08:40] <uny> i'm sorry. what is the original name of the file manager profile in konqueror. i've only got the german names
[08:41] <chaoticgeek> that might help you a little bit
[08:41] <_crash> Looking..
[08:43] <at1as> 
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> wow, ctrl tab swiches desktops
[08:43] <chaoticgeek> the new things you learn everyday
[08:44] <unixhead> although a great feature i hardly ever use more then one vdesktop
[08:44] <tdmgy> what player should I use for .mkv files?
[08:44] <chaoticgeek> I like them
[08:45] <chaoticgeek> they are great when I have bunch of stuff open
[08:45] <unixhead> hmm yeah i used to put all my kopete windows on one desktop to keep them out the way
[08:45] <chaoticgeek> like I use one for my java programming. another I have media players run in
[08:45] <tdmgy> does anyone know what I should use?
[08:46] <nalioth> tdmgy: vlc
[08:46] <unixhead> tdmgy: whats a .mkv file?
[08:46] <chaoticgeek> another one for internet browsing
[08:46] <chaoticgeek> nope
[08:46] <tdmgy> nalioth, Kubuntu comes with VLC packages?
[08:46] <tdmgy> I'd like to use something that Kubuntu comes with
[08:46] <chaoticgeek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mkv
[08:47] <tdmgy> yes, I read it
[08:47] <unixhead> anything like media players or even konversation i just minimize to the system tray now that frees up enough room for me
[08:47] <chaoticgeek> ok did you read the thing that says gstreamer has native support for .mkv files?
[08:47] <tdmgy> yes
[08:47] <tdmgy> but I don't see packages for it
[08:48] <unixhead> gstreamer is the default for kubuntu
[08:48] <nalioth> tdmgy: you need to enable universe and multiverse repositories and then you can install it
[08:48] <chaoticgeek> proably because its native and in the core files, and if he installed restrictedformats on the wiki.ubuntu.org
[08:48] <chaoticgeek> he should have it
[08:49] <tdmgy> found it
[08:49] <tdmgy> thanks guys
[08:49] <tdmgy> I was blind.....
[08:49] <_crash> Woo.
[08:50] <_crash> Know how good/bad the GPLFlash works compared the Macromedia's? :-S
[08:50] <tdmgy> it said that some of the packages couldn't be installed :-/
[08:50] <tdmgy> hope it still works
[08:51] <tdmgy> nope
[08:51] <unixhead> in that case go into adept and go to file > manage repositories and enable universe and multiverse
[08:51] <tdmgy> the amarok-gstreamer package failed
[08:52] <tdmgy> any recommendations?
[08:52] <nalioth> tdmgy: using non official pkgs and/or repos will cause your kubuntu not to work well
[08:52] <tdmgy> no
[08:52] <tdmgy> I used the Kynaptic packages
[08:52] <nalioth> !sources
[08:52] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:53] <at1as> 
[08:53] <chaoticgeek> hi at1as 
[08:53] <tdmgy> ubotu, I don't understand what you are saying
[08:53] <ubotu> tdmgy: what are you talking about?
[08:54] <chaoticgeek> tdmgy: ubotu is a bot
[08:54] <tdmgy> oh.......
[08:54] <tdmgy> really?
[08:54] <chaoticgeek> he gives out infromation when you call stuff 
[08:54] <tdmgy> okay
[08:54] <tdmgy> so, what should I do?
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> have you seen the restricted formats page on the wiki.ubuntu.org?
[08:55] <tdmgy> I'm new to this all
[08:55] <tdmgy> I wouldn't know what to do if I got there
[08:55] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell tdmgy about restrictedformats
[08:56] <chaoticgeek> he will pm you w/ a link, click it and it gives you step by step instructions
[08:56] <nalioth> tdmgy: reading is a good start
[08:57] <pipoun> hello mates
[08:57] <chaoticgeek> read it very carefuly and make sure you do the Before you Start part right
[08:57] <tdmgy> I am reading :P
[08:57] <pipoun> anyone experiencingproblems withkubuntu and dual head?
[08:58] <tdmgy> do you think VLC would play .mkv files?
[08:58] <nalioth> tdmgy: i KNOW vlc plays .mkv files
[08:58] <chaoticgeek> kaffine should play .mkv files once you get everything set up right
[08:59] <pipitas_2> Riddell: ping
[08:59] <tdmgy> if I got gstreamer it would play through AmaroK
[09:00] <tdmgy> good, VLC does play mkv files :)
[09:00] <tdmgy> thanks guys! :D
[09:01] <pipoun> In one monitor, the windows decorations has disapeared!
[09:02] <pipoun> and on one monitor, I have kde configured in english and on the other it's configured in french (I'm actually french)
[09:02] <Riddell> pipitas_2: yo
[09:02] <buz_> hi
[09:03] <buz_> i need help with Xorg. for the second time in as many days, Xorg simply froze on me
[09:03] <chaoticgeek> omg a 12.7 gig bz2 file
[09:03] <chaoticgeek> that has got to expand pretty big
[09:03] <buz_> i cant even do crtl-alt-backspace
[09:03] <buz_> if i ssh to the box, Xorg eats up all cpu but i cant kill it
[09:08] <at1as> 
[09:09] <pipitas_2> Riddell: you may have an idea what causes that problem:  http://www.nomachine.com/tr/view.php?id=TR11C01164 ?
[09:09] <_crash> Ugh, Flash still doesn't work.  It hurts!
[09:10] <_crash> I have the "swf-player" package installed, and it is most confirmedly available as a plugin in the browser, but it just doesn't work!
[09:10] <Riddell> pipitas_2: no idea at all
[09:17] <chaoticgeek> did you know you can download wikipedia?
[09:19] <crashprone> .. so I hear.
[09:19] <crashprone> That could take a while.
[09:19] <crashprone> Text, but hella-lots.
[09:19] <crashprone> Wonder how big it is.
[09:21] <_thumper_> Riddell, you don't happen to live in London UK do you?
[09:21] <pipitas_2> Riddell: but something in (K)Ubuntu must have changed with keyboard mappings (as well as xauth) as compared to previous versions (or to Debian proper)
[09:22] <pipitas_2> Riddell: who would be the best Ubuntu person to contact about that?
[09:22] <chaoticgeek> I belive wikipedia - images = about 12 - 13 gigs in .xml.bz2 format
[09:22] <chaoticgeek> images in .bz2 is 15-16 gigs
[09:22] <chaoticgeek> I belive
[09:22] <mianos> little question:
[09:22] <crashprone> Huh.
[09:23] <mianos> can i set colours in korganizer for dates?
[09:23] <mianos> like outlook: kategory Private = green
[09:29] <faizan> hey
[09:30] <toby> Hello, I am asking for an MP3 player for xmas, but am worried about compatability. What MP3 players do you ahve and how user friendly is the link up with kubuntu?
[09:30] <faizan> kde vs gnome? anyone got any ideas?
[09:32] <nalioth> faizan: personal preference
[09:34] <faizan> is kde stable? cause i just got rid of windows cause the stability issues were bugging me.. kde is definitely eye candy compared to gnome but is it worth it stability wise?
[09:36] <_StarScream> faizan: i guess it depends on your apps really...its very stable for me, 3.4.2
[09:36] <_StarScream> amarok is a bit flakey
[09:36] <_StarScream> so is noatun
[09:37] <_StarScream> but the rest is pretty solid
[09:37] <nalioth> faizan: it is as stable as anything else
[09:37] <_StarScream> faizan: its not like windows though, if your app crashes, it's only that app, not the whole of X :)
[09:41] <Riddell> pipitas_2: daniels does the X packages
[09:41] <Riddell> _thumper_: no, Edinburgh in Scotland
[09:46] <enrique> Hola a todos // Hi all
[09:47] <manveru> hey guys - want to save me some 30 euros - how do i set two of my keyboard-buttons to scroll_up/scroll_down ?
[09:47] <at1as> 
[09:48] <manveru> (permanent, i don't need them anyway)
[09:52] <bl3ssing> how can I play a wmv media file?
[09:53] <manveru> wmv... that's video, right?
[09:53] <bl3ssing> sure manveru 
[09:53] <manveru> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about mplayer
[09:53] <bl3ssing> windows media video = wmv
[09:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about w32codecs
[09:53] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you'll need the codecs
[09:53] <kkathman> then you can play them in Totem for sure
[09:54] <bl3ssing> whe can I take the codecs from/
[09:54] <bl3ssing> and ... how to compile them?
[09:54] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:54] <manveru> hmm, i never used totem :)
[09:54] <bl3ssing> i'm out of ..
[09:54] <manveru> you don't need to compile anything
[09:54] <kkathman> dont need to compile them in my experience
[09:54] <kkathman> Totem works very well for me
[09:55] <manveru> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about repositories
[09:55] <kkathman> lol
[09:55] <kkathman> restricted formats?
[09:55] <kkathman> dunno
[09:55] <manveru> yeah, universe/multiverse
[09:55] <kkathman> I donwloaded them way back when I upgraded to hoary from warty
[09:55] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell bl3ssing -about codecs
[09:55] <bl3ssing> manveru, , how can I use universe/multiverse?
[09:56] <kkathman> bl3ssing: like any other of the repos
[09:56] <manveru> trust the caring love of the wiki
[09:56] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell bl3ssing -about restrictedformats
[09:56] <kalenedrael> !tell
[09:56] <manveru> it's all about opening a file in an editor and running two commands afterwards
[09:57] <kalenedrael> !tell bl3ssing -about w32codecs
[09:57] <kkathman> !info w32codecs
[09:57] <bl3ssing> I have the vlc v 8.0 ... where should I copy it ...?
[09:57] <kkathman> hmm ok...they dont have that
[09:57] <nalioth> !w32codecs
[09:57] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[09:57] <kkathman> thats it :)
[09:57] <kkathman> hehe
[09:57] <nalioth> w32codecs is not an official package
[09:58] <kkathman> evil hehe
[09:58] <kkathman> not official, but they do work ok
[09:58] <nalioth> the !info trigger only accesses official packages in the repos
[09:58] <kkathman> at least from my experience
[09:58] <bl3ssing> I have the vlc v 8.0 file already downloaded ... where should I copy it ...?
[09:59] <manveru> don't copy it
[09:59] <manveru> !vlc
[09:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[09:59] <manveru> you can install it the normal way
[09:59] <bl3ssing> what should I do than .. with this vlc?
[09:59] <manveru> now let me tell you what the normal way is
[09:59] <bl3ssing> like ... manveru? I'm just a newbie
[09:59] <bl3ssing> k
[09:59] <manveru> you come from windows - right?
[09:59] <bl3ssing> thanks.
[10:00] <bl3ssing> sure
[10:00] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:00] <bl3ssing> and I hate it ... LOL
[10:00] <manveru> well, linux is the other way round
[10:00] <manveru> type [alt] +[f2] 
[10:00] <manveru> and type 'adept'
[10:00] <bl3ssing> I got adept opened
[10:01] <manveru> this will give you a nice frontend for installing apps
[10:01] <bl3ssing> wow, cool ...
[10:01] <manveru> ok, but before you can use the full power of it, you have to do something
[10:01] <chaoticgeek> teach him vi
[10:01] <manveru> not nano?
[10:01] <manveru> ^^
[10:02] <manveru> i guess nano is a lot easier
[10:02] <bl3ssing> ok ... what should I do manveru ? 
[10:02] <bl3ssing> what is nano?
[10:02] <chaoticgeek> lol, I was joking
[10:02] <manveru> type [alt] +[f2]  again
[10:02] <bl3ssing> i don't need a very easy program
[10:02] <chaoticgeek> vi is so confusing when you start out
[10:02] <chaoticgeek> but I like it now
[10:02] <manveru> and type 'konsole'
[10:02] <bl3ssing> actually I'm an pc engineer, but in windows, not in linux.
[10:02] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:02] <bl3ssing> and ... than?
[10:02] <manveru> now you're in the almighty console :)
[10:02] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:02] <chaoticgeek> nano and vi are text editors, but listen to manveru 
[10:02] <bl3ssing> lol manveru 
[10:03] <manveru> type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:03] <bl3ssing> done
[10:03] <bl3ssing> next ... manveru 
[10:03] <bl3ssing> ?
[10:03] <manveru> and search for lines that start with '# deb' or '# deb-src'
[10:03] <chaoticgeek> lol all mighty, I still prefer the terminal to konsole 
[10:03] <manveru> remove the comment in front of them
[10:03] <chaoticgeek> very old school
[10:04] <manveru> chaoticgeek: i use all kinds of them - but prefer zsh :)
[10:04] <chaoticgeek> ok well I have to go eat
[10:04] <manveru> bl3ssing: when you are done, type [ctrl] +[o]  to save the file and [ctrl] +[x]  to leave the editor
[10:04] <chaoticgeek> cya in abit guys
[10:04] <bl3ssing> there's no # deb ... only deb simple ... without any # in front.
[10:04] <manveru> bl3ssing: there are - further down
[10:05] <manveru> oh, missed one thing - the w32codecs
[10:05] <manveru> !w32codecs
[10:05] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[10:05] <manveru> now go to the end of the file
[10:05] <bl3ssing> nothing ... with # in front of deb ...
[10:06] <manveru> and add a line that goes like 'deb http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/ ./'
[10:06] <bl3ssing> done
[10:06] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:06] <manveru> bl3ssing: if there are none, we might be happy - can you make sure there is a line that has universe in it?
[10:06] <nalioth> no no no
[10:06] <nalioth> that wont work
[10:06] <nalioth> gianarros is not a repe
[10:06] <manveru> not?
[10:06] <nalioth> not a repository
[10:06] <nalioth> it's a direct download
[10:06] <bl3ssing> really nalioth ?
[10:07] <nalioth> manveru: you are thinking of seveas
[10:07] <manveru> ah, yeah...
[10:07] <bl3ssing> so ... what am I going to do now? I've already deleted that line.
[10:07] <bl3ssing> any other one to be written?
[10:07] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:07] <manveru> ok, the line goes like 'deb http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl breezy-seveas all'
[10:08] <manveru> and the same line again, but with 'deb-src' in front
[10:09] <manveru> bl3ssing: but again - is there a line in it that has 'universe' somewhere?
[10:09] <nalioth> !sources
[10:09] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:09] <bl3ssing> there's a lots of them ... but not with # in front of deb.
[10:09] <manveru> (i used the last link)
[10:10] <manveru> aye, we are happy :)
[10:10] <manveru> ok, now save and close the editor
[10:11] <manveru> now switch to adept and hit the update-button on the upper left
[10:12] <manveru> when it has finished updating, type 'w32codecs' in the Quick Filter and now you should be able to install it
[10:12] <bl3ssing> manveru, do you mean Fetch updates?
[10:12] <manveru> exactly
[10:12] <bl3ssing> cool
[10:12] <bl3ssing> you're amazing ...
[10:13] <bl3ssing> hheehee
[10:13] <bl3ssing> still installing
[10:13] <bl3ssing> wow ...
[10:13] <bl3ssing> I didn't know this ...
[10:13] <bl3ssing> and today I've learned something.
[10:13] <manveru> you can install all kind of software using this
[10:13] <bl3ssing> thanks ... manveru! God richly bless you...
[10:13] <bl3ssing> great ... I didn't know it.
[10:14] <manveru> btw, this wasn't me, that is apt-gets power
[10:14] <nalioth> bl3ssing: you should learn something every day
[10:16] <manveru> i guess this won't be hard, now that he uses linux
[10:16] <manveru> (or she?)
[10:16] <nalioth> nope, a whole new universe has opened
[10:16] <martin> ^^
[10:16] <Guest1> alguem pode me dizer como instalar o plugin java no firefox para acessar sites de banco
[10:17] <nalioth> !es
[10:17] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[10:17] <nalioth> nosotros espanol is muy malo aqui
[10:18] <manveru> hmm, would rock if some bot analyzed the spoken text and finds out if it is english - otherwise points to the correct language-channel
[10:19] <manveru> well, if i think more about it... not soo good :)
[10:19] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:20] <Guest1> alguem pode me dizer como instalar o plugin java no firefox para acessar sites de banco
[10:20] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[10:20] <chaoticgeek> I'm back
[10:20] <Guest1> alguem pode me dizer como instalar o plugin java no firefox para acessar sites de banco
[10:20] <chaoticgeek> wtf?
[10:20] <chaoticgeek> looks like french
[10:20] <chaoticgeek> c'est francais?
[10:21] <chaoticgeek> oui? non?
[10:21] <manveru> hmm, no
[10:21] <chaoticgeek> oh
[10:21] <chaoticgeek> well I gave it a shot
[10:21] <manveru> nalioth says it's spanish
[10:21] <bl3ssing> manveru,  i think that link has some pbs of downloading
[10:21] <chaoticgeek> oh
[10:21] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:21] <manveru> or espaniol :)
[10:21] <manveru> bl3ssing: what does it say?
[10:23] <slow-motion> bbl
[10:23] <nalioth> Guest1: que idioma?
[10:24] <bl3ssing> there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a mistake downloading some packages .....
[10:24] <bl3ssing> manveru, there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a mistake downloading some packages .....
[10:24] <nalioth> Guest1: por portugues, vaya de el #ubuntu-pt o por espanol vaya de el #ubuntu-es
[10:24] <manveru> bl3ssing: ok, let's investigate - open konsole again
[10:24] <bl3ssing> manveru, how can I find such of websites ... where to download from them ... files through Adept?
[10:24] <bl3ssing> manveru, YES SIR! ;)
[10:24] <chaoticgeek> well if someone speaking french comes in here  I could tell them about the french channel
[10:25] <manveru> bl3ssing: lol :)
[10:25] <bl3ssing> done
[10:25] <manveru> bl3ssing: ok, close adept
[10:25] <chaoticgeek> manveru: you are starting an army now
[10:25] <manveru> bl3ssing: now we're going to the heart of kubuntu - that's apt-get
[10:25] <chaoticgeek> right now just one, but soon it will grow
[10:25] <manveru> bl3ssing: so type 'apt-get update'
[10:25] <chaoticgeek> lol
[10:26] <SbCl3> hi; since breezy i've had problems with  k3b; it doesn't give a normal user permission to use the device
[10:26] <SbCl3> how do i fix this?
[10:26] <manveru> chaoticgeek: you don't know about the other channels i'm in *evilgrin*
[10:26] <chaoticgeek> lol
[10:26] <manveru> SbCl3: you have to add yourself to a group
[10:26] <SbCl3> which group?
[10:26] <bl3ssing> something happens there ... :-)
[10:26] <manveru> SbCl3: lemme look it up
[10:27] <bl3ssing> manveru, now?
[10:27] <manveru> bl3ssing: is it done?
[10:27] <chaoticgeek> cdrom maybe
[10:27] <manveru> bl3ssing: ok, just for practice - type 'apt-cache search w32codecs'
[10:28] <SbCl3> but i'm already on the cdrom group :/
[10:29] <manveru> SbCl3: in this case, start k3b via 'kdesu k3b'
[10:29] <bl3ssing> it seems that this file cannot be found on that website
[10:29] <manveru> it's an evil hack - but i never burned cdroms in kubuntu
[10:29] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:30] <bl3ssing> manveru,  it seems that this file cannot be found on that website
[10:30] <manveru> bl3ssing: wait a sec, i try to reproduce the error
[10:30] <manveru> bl3ssing: on what website? :)
[10:30] <bl3ssing> one sec pls.
[10:30] <manveru> bl3ssing: did you write the lines wrong in the sources.list?
[10:30] <chaoticgeek> dont you have to d/l the w32codecs pack and use dpkg -i pkgname.deb to install it
[10:31] <chaoticgeek> thats what I did
[10:31] <manveru> chaoticgeek: no there is a repo for them
[10:31] <chaoticgeek> oh
[10:31] <SbCl3> it's impossible to get it working on a normal user account?
[10:31] <chaoticgeek> well I guess I d/l them and installed it for no reason then
[10:31] <manveru> SbCl3: no, but i don't know how
[10:31] <chaoticgeek> other than to have them
[10:32] <manveru> chaoticgeek: i actually don't have speakers at my kubuntu-box :)
[10:32] <bl3ssing> htp://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl breezy-seveas all
[10:32] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:32] <manveru> ohoh :)
[10:32] <manveru> htTp
[10:32] <bl3ssing> http
[10:32] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:32] <manveru> well, let's try it again
[10:32] <bl3ssing> typed errors
[10:32] <bl3ssing> ;)
[10:33] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:33] <manveru> nobody's perfect
[10:33] <bl3ssing> its everything ok with your computer?
[10:33] <bl3ssing> you're right manveru 
[10:33] <bl3ssing> np
[10:33] <manveru> my computer works well
[10:33] <bl3ssing> I'm learning ... and you're my teacher. So ... that's perfect. If you're failing, than Ill do it. If you'll win, than I will win, right?
[10:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:33] <bl3ssing> mine as well.
[10:34] <bl3ssing> not computer, program ... ADEPT
[10:34] <manveru> lol
[10:34] <bl3ssing> I didn't mean about the computer, but about the http ...
[10:34] <bl3ssing> you know ...
[10:34] <manveru> ok
[10:34] <bl3ssing> k
[10:34] <manveru> so you're able to install the codecs now
[10:34] <bl3ssing> what arewe going to do?
[10:34] <bl3ssing> sure ...
[10:34] <bl3ssing> but ... this site is not a good one ... maybe they don't have that file ... that file might be corrupted
[10:34] <bl3ssing> where can I find such of websites?
[10:35] <manveru> is there an error because of missing key?
[10:35] <bl3ssing> and ... how can I know about that they could be implemented into the Adept program?
[10:35] <manveru> well, these are called repositories
[10:36] <manveru> !repositories
[10:36] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[10:36] <chaoticgeek> did you 'sudo apt-get update'?
[10:36] <manveru> good idea
[10:36] <manveru> did you update via adept?
[10:37] <chaoticgeek> bl3ssing: do you have the konsole open still?
[10:37] <manveru> he sounds quite busy...
[10:37] <chaoticgeek> oh
[10:37] <manveru> if silence is the sound of business
[10:37] <bl3ssing> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/main Packages
[10:37] <bl3ssing>   404 Not Found
[10:37] <bl3ssing> this is the error ...
[10:37] <bl3ssing> sure
[10:37] <bl3ssing> I'm typing that command fromt he konsole
[10:37] <bl3ssing> why chaoticgeek ?
[10:37] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:38] <chaoticgeek> put the # infront of backports, to my knowladge they are not working yet
[10:38] <bl3ssing> now I really understand what is with this repositories ...
[10:38] <manveru> chaoticgeek: i heard that they were added about a week ago
[10:38] <chaoticgeek> have you typed 'sudo apt-get update' recently
[10:38] <bl3ssing> what's that backports?
[10:38] <chaoticgeek> last week they still were not working for me
[10:38] <manveru> chaoticgeek: but well - nothing is sure with those us-mirrors
[10:38] <bl3ssing> sure chaoticgeek 
[10:38] <chaoticgeek> ok
[10:39] <manveru> bl3ssing: ok, back to editing sources.list
[10:39] <bl3ssing> k manveru 
[10:39] <manveru> bl3ssing: search and comment all lines that have 'backports' in them
[10:39] <manveru> save, close and run update again
[10:40] <slow-motion> re
[10:40] <manveru> hey
[10:40] <bl3ssing> how can I comment? with ##?
[10:40] <manveru> simple '#'
[10:40] <chaoticgeek> hey nalioth have you heard anything about the backports yet?
[10:40] <manveru> but of course it might look nicer with '##'
[10:40] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:40] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:41] <bl3ssing> what is a backports?
[10:41] <manveru> this is a special repository
[10:41] <bl3ssing> lol about looking nicer ... (not looking for any designing ... parts.)
[10:41] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:41] <bl3ssing> so ... what should I do ...?
[10:41] <manveru> with packages that are ported to breezy in case the breezy-ones are dated
[10:41] <manveru> have you done the update?
[10:42] <bl3ssing> hold on
[10:42] <bl3ssing> cause I'm a little bit confuse
[10:42] <bl3ssing> what should I do now?
[10:42] <jjesse> chaoticgeek: i think they announced a backports was available, check out fridge.ubuntu.com
[10:42] <manveru> (sorry for being so imperative)
[10:42] <bl3ssing> it is ok manveru , i really like these kind of teachers. Honestly.
[10:42] <manveru> ok, run the update again
[10:42] <manveru> 'sudo apt-get update'
[10:42] <bl3ssing> I've allways hated the nice teachers ...
[10:43] <bl3ssing> but manveru , I've nothing change into the sources.list ... file
[10:43] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:43] <manveru> uhm didn't you comment the lines with backports?
[10:43] <bl3ssing> all of them?
[10:43] <bl3ssing> shall I do this?
[10:43] <manveru> all of them
[10:43] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:43] <bl3ssing> give me some sec. pls.
[10:44] <bl3ssing> done
[10:44] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:44] <manveru> well, now update
[10:45] <bl3ssing> update to Adept?
[10:45] <manveru> doesn't matter
[10:45] <chaoticgeek> the backports are only two urls
[10:45] <manveru> the command you typed is the command that adept uses
[10:45] <bl3ssing> I've wrote sudo apt-get update
[10:45] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:45] <manveru> perfect
[10:45] <bl3ssing> and ... it came this line
[10:45] <bl3ssing> Reading package lists...Done.
[10:45] <bl3ssing> now?
[10:45] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:45] <manveru> woot :)
[10:45] <chaoticgeek> thats a great line
[10:45] <manveru> 'apt-cache search w32codecs'
[10:46] <bl3ssing> k
[10:46] <manveru> should spit out one line
[10:46] <manveru> in case it does - you know have the decicion - install via adept or via console...
[10:46] <chaoticgeek> personaly I like to make a text file of the packages that I have access to.
[10:47] <manveru> chaoticgeek: i usually use apt-cache | grep
[10:47] <chaoticgeek> apt-cache pkgnames > pkgnames.txt
[10:47] <bl3ssing> manveru, i've done ...
[10:47] <chaoticgeek> works great for me
[10:47] <bl3ssing> marius@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache search w32codecs
[10:47] <bl3ssing> marius@ubuntu:~$   
[10:47] <bl3ssing> so .. 
[10:47] <manveru> bl3ssing: baad
[10:47] <bl3ssing> really?
[10:47] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:48] <manveru> quite
[10:48] <bl3ssing> Mammmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:48] <bl3ssing> LOL
[10:48] <chaoticgeek> I'm telling you just d/l and dpkg -i them
[10:48] <manveru> chaoticgeek: would be bad as well
[10:48] <manveru> chaoticgeek: but i guess it's the easiest way now
[10:48] <LjL> what's bad? apt-cache searching?
[10:48] <manveru> LjL: no, that it gave no result
[10:49] <LjL> aw
[10:49] <bl3ssing> manveru, what should I do now?
[10:49] <manveru> now i only wonder why the hell it doesn't work for you
[10:49] <chaoticgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba <<here is the link to installing codecs
[10:49] <bl3ssing> :-(
[10:49] <bl3ssing> lol manveru.
[10:49] <manveru> however, follow the link
[10:50] <manveru> dl the file
[10:50] <bl3ssing> dl = delete?
[10:50] <manveru> download
[10:50] <bl3ssing> lol
[10:50] <chaoticgeek> d/l is download
[10:50] <chaoticgeek> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb << this is the link you click on once that page loads to d/l the codecs.deb package
[10:51] <manveru> chaoticgeek: i guess he knows that :)
[10:51] <chaoticgeek> well just making sure
[10:51] <SbCl3> hmm...how can this be fixed?
[10:51] <SbCl3> sbcl3@ramanujan:~$ k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[10:51] <SbCl3> k3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[10:52] <manveru> SbCl3: an easy solution would be to go out and buy a new computer, install kubuntu on it and see if it works
[10:52] <bl3ssing> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb ... is this the file I have to dl it?
[10:52] <manveru> yeap
[10:52] <chaoticgeek> yes
[10:52] <bl3ssing> ok
[10:52] <chaoticgeek> remember where you d/l it to also.
[10:52] <bl3ssing> than?
[10:52] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:53] <bl3ssing> I'm downloading it on my desktop.
[10:53] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:53] <chaoticgeek> open up the konsole
[10:53] <manveru> perfect
[10:53] <manveru> type 'cd Desktop'
[10:53] <bl3ssing> done
[10:53] <manveru> 'sudo dpkg -i w32[tab] [enter] '
[10:53] <bl3ssing> now ... I think I have to wait ...
[10:53] <chaoticgeek> lol we could screw him up and give alternating commands lol
[10:53] <bl3ssing> until that file will be donwloaded
[10:53] <manveru> bl3ssing: ok, when it's here, type the above
[10:54] <manveru> chaoticgeek: like overwriting all stuff on his computer with /dev/random?
[10:54] <chaoticgeek> rm -rf /
[10:54] <chaoticgeek> sudo rm -rf /
[10:54] <manveru> chaoticgeek: just wanted to say that :)
[10:54] <bl3ssing> lol ... 
[10:54] <manveru> chaoticgeek: but it's a lame one
[10:54] <chaoticgeek> ya
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> but still would be funny to see someone do it
[10:55] <bl3ssing> what is that rm - rf meaning?
[10:55] <bl3ssing> of
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> remove folders w/out asking 
[10:55] <bl3ssing> lol
[10:55] <manveru> ReMove -recursive -force
[10:55] <bl3ssing> shall I ...?
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> rm is remove files, -rf says folders too even if they are full
[10:55] <chaoticgeek> no
[10:56] <SbCl3> manveru: this was never a problem with hoary
[10:56] <manveru> SbCl3: you upgraded? or did you do a clean install?
[10:56] <SbCl3> clean install
[10:56] <manveru> SbCl3: that's odd then...
[10:56] <chaoticgeek> I would try and see if I had the problem, but I dont have anything to burn
[10:57] <manveru> even the cd-rom doesn't work anymore
[10:57] <chaoticgeek> dvd+rw burner
[10:59] <manveru> when i want to burn something i use cdrecord...
[10:59] <manveru> it's a bit old-fashioned - but works since years :)
[10:59] <chaoticgeek> so far I'm not having that problem w/ k3b
[10:59] <SbCl3> as root everything works fine
[10:59] <manveru> and well, i have a burner on my laptop (the one i use right now) but i have only minimal WM on it
[10:59] <SbCl3> so it's not a hardware problem
[10:59] <chaoticgeek> I did get an error though
[11:00] <SbCl3> what does cdrecord do?
[11:00] <manveru> SbCl3: it's the thing k3b is a frontend for
[11:00] <SbCl3> i'm using it with cdrdao, maybe it's conflicting the other?
[11:00] <chaoticgeek> my error was unable to write@LBA=OH: input/output error
[11:00] <manveru> SbCl3: oh, k... - but maybe you can change permissions
[11:01] <manveru> bl3ssing: anything happened?
[11:01] <manveru> SbCl3: try to chmod /dev/cd*
[11:01] <chaoticgeek> write faild: input output error, error while creating ISO image, Fatal error during recording: Input/Output error
[11:01] <bl3ssing> still downloading manveru 
[11:01] <chaoticgeek> failed not faild
[11:01] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:02] <bl3ssing> 3% remained ...
[11:02] <bl3ssing> remaining
[11:02] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:02] <bl3ssing> lol
[11:02] <bl3ssing> done
[11:02] <bl3ssing> now?
[11:02] <manveru> 'sudo dpkg -i w32[tab] [enter] '
[11:03] <fevoldj2> Hi
[11:03] <fevoldj2> WHat is the site that details the codecs in Kubuntu?
[11:03] <manveru> !w32codecs
[11:03] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:04] <fevoldj2> thanks
[11:04] <chaoticgeek> crap, I got another I/O error when trying to burn a data dvd
[11:05] <chaoticgeek> looks like I got a project to do... 
[11:05] <bl3ssing> I'm wondering where the file has been downloade?
[11:05] <bl3ssing> :-(
[11:05] <bl3ssing> how can I find it?
[11:06] <manveru> cd ~/Desktop
[11:06] <chaoticgeek> desktop?
[11:06] <chaoticgeek> cd Desktop
[11:06] <bl3ssing> it is not there
[11:06] <bl3ssing> :-(
[11:06] <manveru> hmm
[11:06] <SbCl3> my error is "Cdrecord has no permission to open this device"
[11:06] <bl3ssing> what was the name of the file?
[11:06] <bl3ssing> it was something with .deb
[11:06] <fevoldj2> Is there a AMD64 version of w32codecs?
[11:06] <bl3ssing> but ... what was the name?
[11:06] <manveru> uhm
[11:06] <manveru> well
[11:06] <manveru> got no idea
[11:06] <bl3ssing> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:07] <chaoticgeek> type 'ls' and tell us what you see
[11:07] <bl3ssing> found it ... but ... I'll try to find the file in my com ...
[11:07] <bl3ssing> ls
[11:07] <chaoticgeek> theere it is
[11:07] <bl3ssing> lol
[11:07] <bl3ssing> there's no w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb file
[11:07] <manveru> ls == dir_of_dos
[11:07] <bl3ssing> on the desktop
[11:07] <bl3ssing> i see
[11:07] <manveru> ok
[11:07] <bl3ssing> that's great
[11:07] <manveru> if that happens, i usually do something very odd :)
[11:08] <manveru> 'updatedb'
[11:08] <chaoticgeek> what?
[11:08] <SbCl3> could my fstab line be wrong?
[11:08] <SbCl3> it looks like this:
[11:08] <SbCl3> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[11:08] <manveru> SbCl3: you sure it is scd0?
[11:09] <manveru> i thought scsi-emulation was left behind some years ago...
[11:09] <bl3ssing> marius@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:09] <bl3ssing> Selecting previously deselected package w32codecs.
[11:09] <bl3ssing> (Reading database ... 86599 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:09] <bl3ssing> Unpacking w32codecs (from w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb) ...
[11:09] <bl3ssing> Setting up w32codecs (20050412-0.0) ...
[11:10] <bl3ssing> marius@ubuntu:~/Desktop$          
[11:10] <bl3ssing> is this ok ... manveru ?
[11:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:10] <manveru> perfect
[11:10] <SbCl3> i didn't change it; kubuntu wrote it like this
[11:10] <manveru> that was a hard birth... :)
[11:10] <chaoticgeek> this is my fstab for my cdrom /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[11:10] <bl3ssing> cool
[11:10] <bl3ssing> LOL manveru 
[11:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:10] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: backports will come after core dapper stuff is gotten out of the way
[11:10] <manveru> bl3ssing: now what's next...
[11:10] <manveru> bl3ssing: you wanted to play wmv?
[11:10] <bl3ssing> lol
[11:10] <bl3ssing> sure
[11:10] <chaoticgeek> okies
[11:11] <bl3ssing> I'll check it ... now
[11:11] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:11] <chaoticgeek> so manveru the backports are not up yet
[11:11] <bl3ssing> hope it will work
[11:11] <bl3ssing> s
[11:11] <manveru> nalioth, chaoticgeek ty :)
[11:11] <manveru> bl3ssing: what player do you use?
[11:11] <chaoticgeek> I do like nano's interface for the commands
[11:12] <chaoticgeek> its a bit nicer than :wq to save and quit
[11:12] <manveru> chaoticgeek: yeah, i still use it from time to time for coding
[11:12] <manveru> chaoticgeek: but i never got round doing a syntax-highlighting for ruby
[11:12] <chaoticgeek> but I got used to vi so I dont think I'll be swiching anytime soon
[11:12] <manveru> chaoticgeek: beware! don't switch from vi
[11:13] <manveru> chaoticgeek: nano is not as powerful as it might seem
[11:13] <longfei> how can i use webcam in Kopete?
[11:13] <longfei> who can tell me?
[11:13] <manveru> longfei: i don't think you can
[11:13] <longfei> why?
[11:13] <manveru> dunno, ask the people in #kopete
[11:13] <longfei> haha!!
[11:14] <chaoticgeek> well its vim, not vi I guess. When I start it up w/ 'vi' it gives me vim but its all the same to me
[11:14] <bl3ssing> i'll restart my computer
[11:14] <bl3ssing> :-)
[11:14] <bl3ssing> brb
[11:14] <manveru> oO?
[11:14] <longfei> can i use webcam in Kubuntu when i talk with others?
[11:15] <manveru> longfei: you can try gaim, i guess it does support webcams
[11:15] <l3m> kopete in 3.5 supports webcams
[11:15] <l3m> !kde3.5
[11:15] <longfei> but it did not work!!
[11:15] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[11:15] <longfei> i have tried!!
[11:15] <manveru> 3.5?
[11:16] <l3m> kde 3.5
[11:16] <l3m> !kde3.5
[11:16] <manveru> or do you still use 3.4.whatever
[11:16] <manveru> l3m: don't overdo it
[11:16] <longfei> kde 3.4
[11:16] <l3m> :9
[11:16] <l3m> :)
[11:16] <manveru> longfei: see, he said in 3.5
[11:16] <longfei> how to?
[11:16] <longfei> update?
[11:16] <longfei> or?
[11:16] <manveru> longfei: 3.5 still is beta
[11:17] <manveru> if you want to use it - follow the url
[11:17] <longfei> i see!
[11:17] <longfei> thank you!!
[11:20] <chaoticgeek> hey manveru are you using kde 3.5 rc1?
[11:21] <manveru> chaoticgeek: no
[11:22] <manveru> chaoticgeek: have enough work without an unstable system...
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Does Kubuntu have to be released the same time as Ubuntu?
[11:24] <manveru> DaSkreech: with some days delay
[11:25] <manveru> DaSkreech: but probably this has gotten better now
[11:25] <DaSkreech> So if KDE4 is coming out aweek after ubunutu is released you can wait for it
[11:25] <manveru> no
[11:26] <manveru> i don't think that they would do something that stupid
[11:26] <DaSkreech> a week? :-(
[11:26] <DaSkreech> It would still be 6.04
[11:26] <manveru> 6.04?
[11:26] <manveru> well, the future will show
[11:27] <l3m> lol it'll be quite a while before kde 4.0 will be released
[11:27] <manveru> it's almost a year till then...
[11:27] <DaSkreech> I think the timeline is for late april
[11:27] <usuari> hello
[11:27] <chaoticgeek> hello
[11:27] <manveru> they can never hold this timeline
[11:28] <manveru> next kde-release is 3.5
[11:28] <manveru> this should say a bit about when kde 4.0 will come out
[11:29] <Arvedui> I wanted to install kubuntu on my pc and I have problems. If anybody could help me, open me a query, please!
[11:29] <manveru> Arvedui: please just ask - we are all here to help you
[11:29] <Arvedui> ok manveru thanks
[11:30] <DaSkreech> manveru: ok
[11:30] <DaSkreech> It's not a big issue then
[11:30] <l3m> i think kde4 might be release 16th october 06 ;)
[11:30] <l3m> released
[11:30] <l3m> hehe
[11:31] <chaoticgeek> or june 6th 06 lol
[11:31] <Arvedui> manveru the instalation starts ok and when its installing the base system, it blocks every time
[11:31] <l3m> 16 oct would be 10 years festival
[11:31] <l3m> ;)
[11:31] <chaoticgeek> KDE4.0 the end of humans
[11:32] <chaoticgeek> I am very weird
[11:33] <l3m> no. 
[11:34] <Arvedui> manveru !!!
[11:34] <manveru> manveru: go on - i cannot say what happens if you do not give me some error or something
[11:34] <manveru> urgh
[11:34] <manveru> Arvedui i meant :)
[11:34] <l3m> Arvedui: what "blocks"? what's the last text you can read before it "blocks"? 
[11:35] <manveru> sorry guys, but i need to do some work now...
[11:35] <manveru> cya later
[11:35] <Arvedui> manveru sorry I'm very bad in english...
[11:35] <chaoticgeek> me too and english is my native toung
[11:35] <chaoticgeek> tounge*
[11:36] <manveru> Arvedui: what is your native-language?
[11:36] <LjL> catalan i suppose
[11:36] <manveru> i guess someone in here speaks it...
[11:36] <LjL> don't look at me
[11:36] <Arvedui> manveru catalan, but I learnt spanish since I was three
[11:36] <chaoticgeek> I should go read java
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> catalan? is that like cantonese with an italian accent?
[11:37] <manveru> Arvedui: there is a espaniol channel
[11:37] <LjL> ...
[11:37] <l3m> Arvedui: there is a kubuntu-es channel
[11:37] <l3m> Arvedui: type /join kubuntu-es
[11:37] <Arvedui> ok :) thanks
[11:37] <chaoticgeek> I thought it was ubutnu
[11:37] <l3m> there's both i guess ;)
[11:37] <LjL> (it's french with an italian+spanish accent, actually)
[11:38] <Arvedui> LeeJunFan catalan is a language from spain and south france
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> LjL: ahh. Never heard of it before today.
[11:38] <LjL> LeeJunFan: i was kidding anyway, it's not really the thing i said it is ;)
[11:38] <Arvedui> LeeJunFan where do you live?
[11:39] <LeeJunFan> USA, I know the nick is misleading.
[11:39] <Arvedui> manveru in the spanish channel nobody answers
[11:40] <Arvedui> manveru I think we will understand between us
[11:40] <Arvedui> LeeJunFan I live in mallorca, a little island in the mediterranean sea that belongs spain
[11:45] <Arvedui> manveru how means in english when computer stops and you can't make anything and you must reboot?
[11:46] <manveru> Arvedui: sorry, but i am not here anymore
[11:46] <Arvedui> manveru:  ok bye
[11:46] <manveru> Arvedui: i need to work - sorry
[11:46] <Arvedui> manveru sorry
[11:47] <raphink> hi there
[11:47] <raphink> I've got a pb with my sudo if anyone ever saw that 
[11:47] <raphink>  $ sudo apt-get update
[11:47] <raphink> sudo: Can't open /var/run/sudo/raphink/1: Read-only file system
[11:47] <raphink> collect: Cannot write ./dfjALMgJuB016553 (bfcommit, uid=1000, gid=123): Read-only file system
[11:47] <raphink> queueup: cannot create queue file ./qfjALMgJuB016553, euid=1000, fd=-1, fp=0x0: Read-only file system
[11:48] <raphink> ...
[11:48] <nalioth> raphink: boot into rescue mode and run 'fsck'
[11:49] <raphink> well i was told to run 
[11:49] <raphink> mount /var rw
[11:49] <nalioth> raphink: first, just reboot and see if that fixes it
[11:49] <raphink> not sure that'll help
[11:49] <raphink> ok nalioth 
[11:49] <nalioth> cuz you are scrambled
[11:49] <LjL> shouldn't it be mount -o remount,rw /var, anyway
[11:50] <raphink> well I havne't got a var partition anyway ;)
[11:50] <raphink> I'll reboot and see
[11:50] <nalioth> LjL: let him reboot and get a clean slate
[11:50] <raphink> it's like argggh when you're in the middle of a pbuilding process
[11:50] <raphink> but nm
[11:50] <raphink> yep
[11:50] <nalioth> that's scary stuff
[11:50] <raphink> bubbye
[11:50] <nalioth> pbuilder, i shoulda known
[11:51] <LjL> nalioth: sure, all i was saying is i think "-o remount" should be added to the line he mentioned
[11:51] <raphink> nalioth: why?
[11:53] <Arvedui> sorry, can anybody help me installing kubuntu?
[11:53] <nalioth> raphink: i need lots of help with pbuilder, too
[11:53] <raphink> nalioth: what kind of help?
[11:55] <Arvedui> steve ballmer seems a monkey when screams -> developers, developers, developers...
[11:56] <Arvedui> raphink: could you help me?
[11:57] <nalioth> raphink: lots of help, but that's for anothr channel
[11:57] <raphink> ok
[11:57] <raphink> well I have to fix this pb first
[11:57] <raphink> then finish my packages
[11:57] <raphink> then i'll help you ;)
[11:58] <Arvedui> el sello del olvido se ha roto...
[11:59] <Arvedui> y la bella dama nunca nunca volvera
[11:59] <Arvedui> the seal of oblivion is broken and a pure love is turned into sin...
[12:00] <kkathman> hmm
[12:00] <kkathman> sounds a bit black to me
[12:01] <Arvedui> good night people, here in Mallora it's very late and tomorrow I must study
[12:01] <slow-motion> n8
[12:02] <Arvedui> ciao!
[12:02] <nalioth> arafat: ciao!