=== HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.90.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-31-31.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-35-82-250-200-43.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zoe [n=zoe@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [n=scott@c-24-10-31-137.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] elmo: please sync gdb, overwriting ubuntu changes === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby2 [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby2 is now known as r0bby === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60A7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bby [n=wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cribeiro [n=cribeiro@201.19.158.119] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === paulproteus [n=paulprot@pool-151-196-244-173.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] Out of curiosity, do you guys plan to stop using an expired SSL certificate, and/or ship the SSL certificate for the Ubuntu Wiki and Bugzilla with Ubuntu? [02:38] 'Cause that'd make life convenient if you would do both. :) === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] paulproteus: hahah. [03:19] I mean, neither seems very hard, right? And it makes Ubuntu look so unprofessional the way it is now. === Gerrath_ [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62F47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zoe [n=zoe@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Gerrath_2 [i=Gerrath@shanev.lifecor.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.5.88.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] it's a self signed certificate anyhow... having it be expired is just silly [04:48] the site admin needs to just reissue it === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] psusi: Didn't Shuttleworth found Thawte? [05:06] yes [05:08] :-) [05:09] haha. [05:10] Jimbob_: Hah, you're right. :-) [05:11] psusi: They could ship the server certificate with Ubuntu so at least Ubuntu users wouldn't be annoyed with the certificate message each time. === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] I have no idea who shuttleworth is [05:20] paulproteus, even if shipped, if it is expired, the browser still complains === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] having the cert already installed as trusted just makes it not complain that it isn't signed by a trusted CA [05:21] psusi: Mark Shuttleworth founded Canonical, the company that funds Ubuntu development. [05:21] ohhh... that guy ;) [05:21] psusi: Right, I know. That complaint is a pain. It being expired makes another complaint, it's true. 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[07:37] Keybuk: please, not so loud on a monday morning ;) === desrt moans [07:41] appreciately, I trust? [07:41] heck no [07:42] i'm marking. i've had enough [07:42] most people are failing [07:42] marking? [07:42] i need to go to bed [07:42] exams [07:42] the class did bad on the last 2 exams [07:42] ahh [07:42] so we made the test really easy this time [07:42] and they're still failing :( [07:43] 45% average so far overall === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] I'd've been happy with 45% when I was at school ;) [07:46] ah, so there's hope for me then :) === highvoltage got 17% for a math test once [07:46] and.. === highvoltage loves maths [07:47] I got 17% for Computer Science [07:48] the question worst done thus far is the big coding question [07:48] "Design and implement a function that splits a list into two sub-lists, one containing all the even numbers from the original list, and the other all the odd numbers from the original list (both in ascending order). Carefully document the function interface." [07:48] (given datatypes for linked lists of integers) [07:48] 36% average on this :) [07:49] sorted(num for num in list if not num % 2), sorted(num for num in list if num % 2) [07:49] easy :p [07:50] you have that your input list will be sorted [07:50] (the datatype declarations have a comment saying that lists of this type shall -always- be sorted) [07:50] that's even easier then [07:50] indeed [07:50] desrt: wahh [07:50] how is that hard? [07:51] haskell: split list = (filter even list, filter odd list) [07:51] Lathiat; it's not [07:51] desrt: Keybuk's routine without the sorted() calls will be equivalent to the haskell [07:52] desrt: since it uses generator expressions, it should also work with lists of infinite length :) [07:52] jamesh; as will the haskell version :) [07:52] that's what I mean by it being equivalent [07:52] hell, it's a C one-liner too, depending on the list API; for (num = FIRST(list); num; num = NEXT(list, num)) ADD(num % 2 ? even_list : odd_list, num); [07:52] cheap. [07:53] Keybuk: now, carefully document that ;) [07:53] and remember it must have at least 3 classes [07:53] Keybuk: that won't work for infinite length lists though ... [07:53] if someone wrote that i'd have failed them :p [07:53] Lathiat: I said C, not C++ [07:53] jamesh: why not? [07:53] Keybuk: then it needs to have at least 3 functions :) [07:53] i hate it when my uni does that [07:53] makes me pointlessly split things up [07:53] Lathiat: this is probably why I failed compsci [07:53] Keybuk: because it won't finish [07:53] just so its 'modularized' [07:53] incidentally, they can do it all in one function [07:54] jamesh: nor will the Python [07:54] and the best solution i've seen was like that [07:54] but most of the 'working' solutions have a simple 'split' function and an auxiliary (sorted) 'insert' or 'append' function [07:54] Keybuk: the generator expression will return as many elements as you ask for [07:54] one person (attempted to) use cons and reverse === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] hi pitti [07:55] hi ajmitch [07:55] Good morning everybody [07:55] good morning, Martin! [07:55] Hi desrt [07:55] good night for me :) [07:56] hello desrt :) [07:56] pitti; you missed my beautiful rant about how the youngin's these days don't know their respect === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] and by respect i mean "c" [07:56] desrt: meh? [07:56] good morning [07:56] pitti; marking exams. it's not going well :p [07:56] Hi dholbach [07:56] i want christmas [07:56] g'morn daniel [07:56] hi pitti === dholbach hugs derekS === dholbach hugs desrt [07:57] :) === desrt is hugged === pitti hugs dholbach === Keybuk hugs dholbach and desrt === desrt hugs pitti [07:57] woohoo :) [07:57] how are you all? [07:57] woh. hug party. === dholbach hugs Keybuk === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] this is the HUG day :) === pitti hugs back desrt === desrt withholds keybuk's hug until his key is signed :) [07:57] lol [07:58] conditional hugs, intersting approach ;) [07:58] no lapdance either === desrt goes to bed now. night guys :) [07:58] desrt: I did sign it :) you need to recv-key [07:58] gn8 desrt ;) [07:58] oh. elite. [07:58] why is it hugday? [07:59] because hugging rules? [07:59] Keybuk; against which keyserver? [07:59] keyserver.ubuntu.com says key afaa6ff6 is unchanged [08:00] anyway. we're short on time here since i really do need to sleep === desrt hugs scott === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-232-61.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] 'n8' everyone. === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] night ryan [08:01] ya know how we have days and weeks where we turn off mom and let everyone catch up? [08:01] we should do the same for Bugzilla [08:01] yeah === highvoltage hugs the badger [08:01] we'll have a bug day on thursday === dholbach writes the announce === Turicas [i=justen@200165216228.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Fui] [08:02] let's have a hug day instead [08:02] woah, new xserver-xorg upload! :) [08:02] lets check the buildlog.. === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] damn. still ftbfs, but this time because of syntax errors, not because of missing includes. (improvement?) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=daniele@host143-125.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] hi all [08:08] where can i find infos about how to report a bug? [08:09] nomed, bugzilla.ubuntu.com [08:09] and what's the best way of fill a bug? [08:09] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html [08:09] jsgotangco, should i include a patch? [08:10] mkiniramfs is brocken [08:10] nomed: if you can, that's excellent [08:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReports [08:11] nomed: be sure to document what's wrong with it, rather than "is broken" ... sometimes even a patch doesn't make it obvious what was wrong; usually a paragraph saying what mkinitramfs did, and what you expected it to do first, suffices [08:12] "if [ ! d "${CONFDIR}" ] ; then" ... in /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs [08:13] is there any "TUT" that explain step by step the best way to fill a bug? [08:13] that's already fixed in dapper is it not? [08:13] yes, that one's already known and fixed [08:13] ok [08:13] thanks [08:14] i would then request a fetaure .. is it possible? or .. [08:14] features are always possible [08:14] should i contact the maint .. or there is an http place where to ask this? [08:15] bugzilla I guess currently [08:15] k [08:15] we don't really have "maintainers" [08:15] thanks [08:15] or you could just ask on here [08:15] Quick question, how quickly between when somthing appears on dapper-changes mailing list and when it makes its way to the repository? [08:15] Aegir: $TIME [08:15] Keybuk: Fair enough [08:15] Aegir: ie. however long it takes ... usually to build [08:16] wouldn't it be nice to use "-d confdir" to specify even scrpts/dir to include in initramfs? [08:16] Ahh, no worries. Was just curious. Saw the xorg pop up in my mailbox and quickly rushed to update my sources [08:16] actually i need to copy scripts/* to /etc/mkinitramfs/scripts [08:17] it just reads iniramfs.conf + modules from -d confdir [08:17] nomeata: that's probably a bug ... I can't see why it does that [08:18] the CONFDIR stuff was just bolted on at the last minute and never tested, I suspect a patch to replace any occurance of /etc/mkinitramfs with ${CONFDIR} would be the right thing [08:18] Aegir: I think xorg FTBS ... so it may never show up [08:19] Righto [08:20] I think I know what you mean by FTBS, but what specifically does it stand for? [08:20] Failed To Build From Source [08:20] Right, seems logical. Anyways, thanks for the answers, I'll go lurk in the corner again ;) === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] sudo apt-get install bsdgames && wtf ftbfs [08:21] hi all [08:21] haha dholbach === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] pitti: pong === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] Hi Mithrandir === pitti ponders what he wanted to ask Tollef [08:30] Mithrandir: ah - do you know a bit about krb4? [08:30] Mithrandir: krb4 is the only source package that keeps libdb4.1 in main [08:31] Mithrandir: 1) we want to eliminate dups, and 2) it breaks some packages I want to update to a newer mysql [08:31] Mithrandir: it would be great to build krb4 against db4.3 [08:31] Mithrandir: but these are only compatible as long as no transactions are used [08:32] elmo: please sync prelink from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped [08:32] pitti: what depends on it? I'd relaly like to just get rid of it. [08:33] Mithrandir: cyrus-sasl2, evolution-data-server, heimdal, sasl2-bin [08:34] problem with migrating it is probably to handle upgrades from the 4.1 stash with all the users etc. [08:35] Mithrandir: the actual data format is the same, just the log format changed [08:35] Mithrandir: does krb4 use transactions? [08:36] pitti: no idea. Probably not. [08:36] Mithrandir: Friday I tried to build cyrus-sasl2 against the latest mysql, which breaks because of libdb4.1-dev vs. 4.2-dev [08:36] (build-dep conflict) [08:38] does mysql depend on db4.2? [08:38] pitti : BTW, I'm this --><-- close to declaring MySQL 5.0 "not completely teh suck" and dumping 4.1 altogether. [08:38] infinity: I thought about the same [08:38] Mithrandir: indirectly, yes [08:38] infinity: does it blow (up) in interesting ways? [08:39] pitti: crack. :-) [08:39] do people still use krb4? [08:39] Mithrandir: hey, mysql needs a real database backend :) [08:39] pitti: anyway, if the data store is the same, we could just transition it. Any idea what the popcon stats are for krb4? [08:39] no [08:39] pitti: hahahha, well, I guess libdb is better than myisam.. === ajmitch is sure he saw something about krb4 removal somewhere [08:40] ajmitch: I don't know. People thinking retro is cool, possibly? [08:40] Mithrandir : Not in any ways I've managed to tickle it. I need to look into Debian #339740, but since the reporter claims that upstream's binaries are okay, I'm confident it's something we can track down. [08:40] ah, a thread about dropping krb4 support from heimdal [08:41] pitti: I wonder if we can just nuke it from all of those.. I can't think of any reason to run krb4 five years ago, not to mention today. === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Blejdfizt [n=foobar@c-d74472d5.024-2014-67626714.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=justme@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === retrix [n=sam@ppp219-41.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-39-148.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-146-43.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame_ [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] Mithrandir: re nuke> can apps just be recompiled against krb5? (I don't know anything about krb) === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] pitti: all of the apps above have krb5 bindings in addition to krb4 ones, so we'd just disable krb4. [09:04] hello [09:04] pitti: heimdal might need a little bit of hammering, but not too bad, I think. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Hey seb128, hi mvo [09:28] hi [09:31] <\sh> moins pitti seb128 mvo [09:31] seb128: you know that totem/mozilla plugin crash? I was wondering, could it have something to do with the CPU of the machine in question? [09:31] was just reading the bugs, and they're all on a similar class of machine [09:31] and similar to mine, and I get the crash every damned time [09:32] Keybuk: yeah, maybe. It doesn't crash for me but it seems to do for a lot of people, it's just crappy :/ === mvo waves to pitti, \sh [09:33] Hi \sh === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] I have another odd one :) mplayer consistently doesn't work on my laptop, crashes every time [09:36] but exactly the same packages work fine on my desktop [09:38] <\sh> hmmm...totem is crashing on all laptops i have...but mplayer, xine etc. are running === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-13-89.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] infinity: just found another worthwile dup: ucd-snmp === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] infinity: I add it to the wiki page === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SteveA [n=steve@office.pov.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] mjg59: hello. i'm getting a really weird problem with my laptop suspending when i do dhclient eth1. interested in looking into it? [10:06] <\sh> infinity: can it be, that the buildds are in a bad state somehow? i have problems with some kde stuff (amarok, kdiff3 etc.) which are building in a local pbuilder or chroot bot failing on the buildds because of missing kde build deps [10:07] \sh : I'm out to dinner, can you ping me about it in about 2 or 3 hours? [10:07] <\sh> infinity: for sure :) [10:07] Keybuk: hmm, I think I need a bootchart udeb. Could you make me one or would you prefer a patch? [10:08] udeb ?! :) [10:08] you want to profile the installer? [10:08] I wouldn't complain ... [10:08] no, I want to profile the live cd boot. [10:08] we'd get profiling of the installer as well, but that's not what I'm interested in, really. [10:08] you'd need two things [10:09] 1) a place to hook the start script so that it runs throughout the process (we do this in initramfs for the main system) [10:09] 2) somewhere for the monitoring to live (a jail in /dev for the main system) [10:09] 3) a place to hook the stop script to shut it down again [10:09] that's three things. :-P [10:09] damn, spotted :p [10:09] the 2) will be interesting, since we have a pivot_root in the middle. === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-39-148.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] indeed [10:10] it should actually be easy enough, just a casper pre script. [10:10] we have the same in the real system too, (pivot from initramfs to the root-fs) [10:10] but the /dev partition survives that, so we live inside that [10:11] pivot_root> not once simplified-live-cd is implemented ... [10:11] but yeah, /dev is a tmpfs in d-i so you can use that [10:11] patches welcome anyway, it'd be useful I suspect === teuf [n=teuf@LSt-Amand-152-31-11-137.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] Keybuk: do you have it in bzr/bazaar or should I just pull what's in the archive? [10:12] hi [10:12] hey teuf [10:12] pitti: that's for you I guess :p [10:12] Mithrandir: no, just grab the source from people.uc/~scott/packages [10:12] Hi teuf [10:12] for startup, I'd include a /lib/debian-installer-startup.d/ script and rebuild debian-installer with bootchart-udeb in build/pkg-lists/base [10:13] seb128, of course, nobody would come here for you ;) [10:13] that way we'd get installer profiling as you say [10:13] hi pitti [10:13] Kamion: yeah, that was my thought too. [10:13] teuf: somebody already tested the python script, but you are welcome to confirm it :) [10:13] pitti, yeah, I just did [10:13] Kamion: it'd be interesting to profile cdebconf, I don't think anybody has looked at its performance at all? === seb128 slaps teuf [10:14] pitti, and I'm getting exactly the same results === zakame [n=Josh@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] Mithrandir: not a lot [10:14] Kamion, will ubuntu livecd use unionfs? [10:15] nomed: it will be an option. [10:15] at least when doing development [10:15] Mithrandir: I think the biggest win would come from http://bugs.debian.org/329743 [10:15] pitti, maybe a strace from a successful eject call would help ? [10:15] nomed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/livecd-unionfs [10:15] well i'm using it ... there are some issues with some scripts .. [10:15] whats the improvement on using unionfs rather than squashfs ? [10:15] for ex adduser ... [10:16] viviersf: those are orthogonal. [10:16] viviersf: they're complementary, not contradictory. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/livecd-squashfs [10:16] teuf: strace does not help us any more [10:16] i filled a bug to unionfs list ...i hope they'll fix this .. [10:16] kk thx Kamion [10:16] teuf: we already isolated the problematic ioctl [10:17] teuf: I'll do the rest with BenC when he has some time [10:17] nomed: what's the adduser issue? [10:17] teuf: maybe we need to add some printk()s to the code and build a debug kernel [10:17] Kamion: evil hack suggestion, but quite cool in that bug, yes. Could be done fairly easily with accessor functions, and we do have that already, don't we? [10:17] pitti, I mean, eject /dev/sdb2 works properly here, so I was suggesting looking at a strace from that [10:18] Kamion, "Hard link count is wrong for" etc/skel/dotdirs [10:18] it fails when trying to cp /etc/skel/ .... to /home/$USERNAME [10:18] i needed to use useradd -m [10:19] mainly it seems something related to "find" [10:19] teuf: I know, but there the CDROMEJECT ioctl will succeed, and it will fail with EIO on the other device [10:20] pitti, sorry, I don't get what you mean [10:20] Kamion, http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/pipermail/unionfs/2005-November/001427.html [10:21] teuf: the problem is that the CDROMEJECT ioctl succeeds sometimes, and sometimes not [10:21] teuf: but we have to debug the actual kernel function for that [10:21] teuf: strace will only display the ioctl, not the code that is executed in the ioctl function [10:22] teuf: all I wanted to know from the python script was that the ioctl is indeed the culprit === carlos [n=carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] teuf: and not some other commands issued by eject [10:22] Hi carlos! [10:22] pitti, ok [10:22] morning [10:22] Mithrandir: it wasn't easy enough for me to do in the afternoon I spent looking at it === pitti wonders... [10:22] teuf: does the device where it fails happen to be USB 2.0? [10:22] Mithrandir: but not intractable, certainly [10:23] pitti, the device is an ipod, and it's plugged in an usb2 capable port [10:23] I'm not 100% sure the ipod is usb2, but it probably is [10:23] pitti: this eject bug happens with CDs too, no? [10:24] teuf: hmm, that thought was wrong, it works here with an usb2.0 memory stick [10:24] seb128: no idea, does it? [10:24] pitti, the CDROMEJECT ioctl also fails when I call eject, but then there are 3 more successful SG_IO ioctls, dunno if those are used to work around CDROMEJECT not working ? [10:25] pitti: #5049 starts speaking of CDs [10:25] teuf: actually yes === penanshin [n=penanshi@bb219-74-229-27.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] teuf: the 'invalid argument' is just from the last one (tape?), misleading, but harmless [10:25] ah ok [10:25] Kamion: but that'll only make lowmem installs quicker, not general ones, right? [10:26] teuf: successful? but if they were, the others would not be tried any more [10:26] Kamion: anyway, using the file backend uses less memory, since it loads them on demand. [10:26] the last one is BLKRRPART, google seems to indicate it triggers partition table reloading [10:27] teuf: ah, ok, so that's got nothign to do with ejection [10:27] pitti, the end of strace eject /dev/sdb2 is http://pastebin.com/435400 [10:30] Mithrandir: reducing memory consumption and malloc churn should help everyone out a bit, I'd think [10:31] possibly [10:31] Kamion, where can i follow the livecd development .. i think i can share some experience i have on this field ... mainly possible issues you could find [10:31] nomed: most stuff is discussed in here === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] ok thanks === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio [n=otavio@unaffiliated/otavio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] hmm, I should probably "package" bootchart 0.9, fix the update-initramfs bug and then upload it to the real archive [10:41] Keybuk: what update-initramfs bug? [10:41] shawarma: ping? [10:42] Mithrandir: bootchart's postinst calls update-initramfs, which promptly refuses to update the initramfs because the kernel doesn't use update-initramfs to make them :) [10:42] ah, ok. [10:42] Keybuk: i suggest you talk with BenC or fix kernel-package for that [10:43] well, yes, I think that's the actual plan :) [10:43] i know Ben plan to upload the kernel today [10:43] I'm still waiting for BenC to move all the firmware into /lib/firmware too though [10:43] so perhaps we can get it in one shot [10:43] i tought they were there already [10:43] 15-3 still puts them in /lib/hotplug/firmware [10:43] apparently no [10:43] yeah i can see that [10:45] Keybuk: i think #9394 would be better handled by you [10:46] since you are working directly on iyt [10:46] it even [10:46] fabbione: ? RESOLVED FIXED [10:47] Keybuk: hmmm i just noticed the mail from bugzilla.. [10:47] it must be old... [10:47] sorry [10:47] I have #19200 already assigned to me (same thing) [10:47] roger :) [10:48] isn't 9394 well within the WARTY range of bugs? :p [10:48] possibly === fabbione needs to get ready for the next meeting [10:49] have fun [10:49] thanks === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BockBilbo [n=Bock@eu85-84-43-70.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Kamion: would you have any objection to trying to slowly shove initrd-tools and modutils into universe? [10:54] hello [10:55] how can download the package from revu ftp what I've uploaded [10:56] im about to write a wishlist bug in bugzilla but first i wanted to know if you guys think it is worth [10:56] freeflying: try #ubuntu-motu [10:57] BockBilbo: it may be better off discussing it on the ubuntu-users mailing list first, and then mailing the summary of the discussion to ubuntu-devel if it's broadly favourable [10:57] i see [10:58] it is related to WepLab http://weplab.sourceforge.net/ === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] a wep key cracking program [10:58] that isn't packaged [10:58] BockBilbo: you may want to add it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates [10:58] i know [10:59] Keybuk, it isnt on the repositories yet, so i was thinking on suggesting it for drapper [10:59] thanks dholbach :) [10:59] de rien [10:59] brb [11:00] Keybuk: not at all; to get initrd-tools into universe, fix initramfs-tools to work on hppa and ia64 to lamont's satisfaction [11:01] *dapper [11:02] remind me, if I _remove_ something from a seed, that shows up in anastacia, right? [11:03] yes [11:03] provided that you merge it to all the seeds [11:03] and that nothing depends on the removed thing [11:04] yeah [11:04] (latter for completeness, I know you know this already ...) === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] dholbach, but.. i need a deb package build by myself in ubuntu in order to add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates [11:06] right? [11:10] BockBilbo: #ubuntu-motu :) [11:11] ok [11:11] :) [11:11] morning all === herzi [n=herzi@c151144.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SteveA [n=steve@office.pov.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-13-89.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveaz [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.90.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A64387.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=Josh@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] is it possible to use pivot_root within iniramfs? === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kyncani [n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-3-128.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083F748.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC_ [n=janc@dD5E086DA.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] <\sh> elmo / kamion: please sync icewm from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx [12:17] s, / kamion,, [12:19] <\sh> whoever has time to do it :) no rush [12:20] it's not about time; only elmo does syncs (nowadays), so please don't ask me [12:21] <\sh> Kamion: ok :) [12:23] \sh : So, what were you asking me about earlier? [12:26] Kamion, you know if grub has any issues with phoenix bios's [12:26] ? [12:30] viviersf: no idea, sorry [12:30] kk [12:30] BenC, you know by any chance ? === zakame [n=zak@210.1.90.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Kamion: hmm, any thoughts on bumping the size of /dev? 5MB is a bit too tight, since I need libc and stuff in there as well. [12:33] does the installer still fix the size of it? [12:33] we stopped doing that in the main distro [12:33] libc in /dev? [12:33] you'll need the bootchart output in there too, which is about 30MB I think [12:33] Treenaks: did you not look at the evil things I did to make bootchart work? :p [12:34] Keybuk, ew [12:34] Keybuk, did infinity notify you about dropping the "sleep 3" from initramfs' nfs script ? [12:34] Keybuk: ... [12:35] Keybuk: ok, I guess I can just remove the fixed sizee. [12:35] ogra: not yet, though if it's the sleep I think it is, I'll probably drop that myself when I go through [12:35] Treenaks: it's the New World Order and /dev is the new lib. [12:35] /dev is the handiest place to stash things that need to survive a pivot_root [12:35] Keybuk, it was for debuigging a klibc timeout, its useless ... would be nice if you could throw it out .. [12:36] oh right, no, wasn't the one I was thinking of then [12:36] Mithrandir: will go away with new udev + new rootskel [12:36] Mithrandir: wow, only 2 packages left that use readline4 - thanks :) [12:36] Keybuk, line 36 in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs [12:37] Kamion: ok, goodie. I'll just work around it for now. [12:37] Mithrandir: new rootskel uses the init script from udev-udeb, so as long as that doesn't hardcode it ... [12:37] Kamion: \o/ :-) [12:37] pitti: which are left, again? [12:37] Mithrandir: lua50 and quagga [12:38] pitti: ok, I'll see if I can complete those later today. A bit busy with the live cd bootchart stuff now. [12:38] sure, no problem [12:39] Mithrandir: that wasn't meant to hurry you, just a thank you [12:39]