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| mdke | everning | 12:59 |
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| Madpilot | afternoon | 12:59 |
| mdke | hi Madpilot | 01:00 |
| Madpilot | there's some really strange stuff in the wiki... Exhibit A: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkFeedback ;) | 01:01 |
| mdke | looking | 01:03 |
| mdke | haha | 01:04 |
| mdke | that's the beauty of the old wiki | 01:04 |
| Madpilot | I'm tempted to just nuke that - "Too silly to exist" - but somebody might actually object... | 01:05 |
| mdke | Madpilot, no, the page seems to be intended by the artwork team for a proper purpose | 01:06 |
| mdke | the comment is a bit odd, but then again, some other comments might come | 01:06 |
| Madpilot | I guess - I'll leave it - it's just an odd comment... | 01:07 |
| mdke | heh | 01:07 |
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| mdke | sftp://matt@eustathios:22/stuff/www/mdke/images/ipod/boot.jpg | 02:13 |
| mdke | sftp://matt@eustathios:22/stuff/www/mdke/images/ipod/logo.jpg | 02:13 |
| mdke | sftp://matt@eustathios:22/stuff/www/mdke/images/ipod/menu.jpg | 02:13 |
| mdke | sftp://matt@eustathios:22/stuff/www/mdke/images/ipod/play.jpg | 02:13 |
| mdke | gah | 02:13 |
| mdke | stupid goddam laptop | 02:13 |
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| jsgotangco | hi all | 02:55 |
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| jsgotangco | hey Burgundavia are you good with servers? | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | not really had much experience with them | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | for some reason all my users have access to each others' $home | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | read only? | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | well yes | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | that is a not a bug | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | but they shouldn't really be able to cd to /home/foo | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | by default home directories are world readable | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | that | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | there are was a long thread about it about 2 months ago on ubuntu-devel | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | that's not the case for hoary... | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm so its a breezy thing... | 03:55 |
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| jsgotangco | harry potter? | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | oh home video | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I think that the world readable is a longtime unix thing | 04:08 |
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| dabaR | hey, um, just if you have time, check this out. | 04:09 |
| dabaR | http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: no way | 04:10 |
| Burgundavia | dabaR, cool. Unfortunately the repo dialog is going to be totally redesigned for dapper | 04:11 |
| dabaR | so you told me. | 04:11 |
| dabaR | that is a good thing. | 04:11 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, ping | 04:11 |
| dabaR | k, later. | 04:11 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, it is | 04:11 |
| Burgundavia | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012404.html | 04:12 |
| Burgundavia | specifically --> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012406.html | 04:13 |
| jsgotangco | sucks | 04:17 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just edit sshd_config then | 04:17 |
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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 04:39 |
| robitaille | bonsoir Burgundavia | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | hello robitaille | 04:44 |
| robitaille | Hi jsgotangco | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | anybody know where i can find this background? | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/af/af-shot1.png | 04:44 |
| Burgundavia | the archive doesn't appear to have it anymore | 04:45 |
| robitaille | which month is it? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ seems to have debs of all the months | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | those are not the images | 04:46 |
| Burgundavia | I just checked | 04:46 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia, are you sure? I have downloaded the December file, and there are in there 2 jpg for that month; they are background 1600x1200 jpgs | 04:51 |
| robitaille | that background looks so familiar. It must have been one of the months... | 04:53 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, is it worth filing a bug about a mistake in the default html for firefox in Edubuntu? or these static start html are going the way of the dodo for dapper? | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | ah, it is march | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | the static html is going away | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | for start.ubuntu.com | 04:55 |
| robitaille | but start.ubuntu.com is a general ubuntu page. you probably want something a lot more specific (and maybe kid friendly) for Edubuntu | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 04:59 |
| Burgundavia | but that is an edubuntu decision | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | and kubuntu one | 05:00 |
| robitaille | thus back to my original question to jsgotangco since he was the doc guy for edubuntu :) | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | ah, I misread it, sorry | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | robitaille, you updated your wiki page with for your laptop yet? | 05:02 |
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| robitaille | I started. I have updated the top LaptopTesting Page. but haven't entered any dapper details yet in my subpage. I was hoping to do it later tonight. I have spent part of the day testing edubuntu with the kids :) | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | I woke up at 5pm | 05:04 |
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| jsgotangco | same here i just downloaded dapper last night but haven't started installing | 05:11 |
| robitaille | Burgundavia, you know, sometimes I used to that. Then I got married :) I got up at 8:15am, and that was a very late morning for me :) | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | its good practice to clean up the page early though | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | i was surprised to see a milestone this early too | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | that was the goal | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | get one out as soon as possibly | 05:12 |
| Burgundavia | s/y/e | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | i'm in irssi via ssh i can't scroll at all | 05:13 |
| Burgundavia | I haven't seen my gf all weekend, which is why I have been sleeping a lot | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | ok so girlfriends are a bane to sane sleeping habits | 05:14 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, I was asking if you want a bug report for a small mistake in the static html for firefox in Edubuntu | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille: sure | 05:15 |
| bhuvan | jsgotangco, i wish to discuss a small point regarding server guide, shall we ? | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | bhuvan: sure let me move to a saner chat client... | 05:16 |
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| jsgotangco | ok that's better :) | 05:18 |
| bhuvan | fine | 05:18 |
| bhuvan | can we make server guide part of kubuntu-docs too ? | 05:18 |
| jsgotangco | i'm sorry i haven't been able to do the minutes of the past meeting yet; i've been busy with some stuff especially with my upcoming talk in seoul | 05:19 |
| bhuvan | ok | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | bhuvan, sure its just a matter of inclusion to the package... | 05:19 |
| bhuvan | ok, the reason is .. jjesse raised this point | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | if you remember, there was a discussion about -common | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | but that needs a lot of discussion | 05:19 |
| bhuvan | ok | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | well in my opinion, a server guide has little need of gui tools unless the product has server gui tools | 05:20 |
| bhuvan | true | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu-server has no gui tools and never will | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, its about people whou would like to use say Kubuntu for a server | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | right | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | but I think we should target our server guide at ubuntu-server | 05:32 |
| === jsgotangco thinks so too | ||
| bhuvan | Burgundavia, true. but, it should not restrict the kubuntu user who wish to install a server application | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | that is fine | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | they can install by commandline | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | i think its best to make the server guide as generic as possible | 05:33 |
| bhuvan | yeah, though we may provide instructions about other package manager in the beginning.. | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | the most generic you can get is via cli | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | maybe we shoudl move the server guide to a top level folder of its own? | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | bhuvan, talking about gui package management on in a serverguide is a bad thing | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | unless you're RedHat | 05:34 |
| bhuvan | yeah! | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | hence we talk about aptitude, apt-get, etc. | 05:34 |
| bhuvan | but, i've planned to give an introduction about all package manage in the beginning | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | that is a bad thing, IMHO | 05:34 |
| bhuvan | i'll use apt-get through out the document | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | if you even mention say synaptic | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | why do you need to bother the user with talking about synaptic at the start if you use apt-get throughout? | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | and the user decides to get it | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | he'll be downloading the whole desktop again | 05:35 |
| bhuvan | also think this. what if he's installing a server application, say apache on the existing desktop (kubuntu or ubuntu) ? | 05:35 |
| bhuvan | he may feel free to use either synaptic/apt-get, its upto him | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | so? | 05:36 |
| bhuvan | so, introduction about available packages may help | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | talking about gui package stuff is a recipe for bad things | 05:36 |
| bhuvan | i'm not going to use synaptic/adept though in my document. i'm using apt-get | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | and if they know how to install apache, they should already know how to use synaptic | 05:36 |
| bhuvan | Burgundavia, i understand | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | hence we don't need to talk about it | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | i think the main goal here is to make a server guide that is very friendly just like our starter guide | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | but friendly meaning its cli-friendly and not complicated | 05:37 |
| Burgundavia | and friendly means we don't bait and switch | 05:37 |
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| === Burgundavia votes for dapper+1 to be called Traumatized | ||
| Burgundavia | 08:36 | |
| Burgundavia | Tenrec | 08:36 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 08:38 |
| Madpilot | Traumatized Tapir? | 08:43 |
| Madpilot | ...interesting... Creative Commons doesn't seem to have a simple CC-SA license - only CC-BY-SA or full Public Domain... too bad | 08:47 |
| Burgundavia | how about Oblivious Ocelet? | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | Tanked Terrapin? | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | Xenophobic Xenu? | 08:53 |
| Madpilot | wtf is a Xenu? | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | think I should remove obiviously bad names? | 08:54 |
| Madpilot | "Xenu" would be a bad idea - 15 seconds of Googling shows that it's got something to do with Scientology | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | Xebu, typo on my part | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, you still have that java app floating around/ | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | the one that named GW something funny? | 08:56 |
| Madpilot | I think I've got a version of it, yeah | 08:57 |
| Madpilot | want to create a "name the next Ubuntu" version? | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | too bad java is non-free | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | could we do a version with js | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | for? | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | random fun | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | my cellphone uses java more than my computer | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | the only java I have installed is the free stuff | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | which incidentally doesn't run the only other java I have on my computer, a game I downloaded | 09:00 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: a pure-JavaScript version might be possible | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | its more lucrative to do java on mobile phones now compared to desktop i guess | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | but it's made harder by the fact that the Ubuntu names always alliterate | 09:01 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, what sort of policy do we want to have for people joining the LP team but have not generated useful work for us? | 09:56 |
| jsgotangco | good question | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | well we did kick out 1 or 2 people i believe | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | and the latest two I have not approved | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | oh approval is easy | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | deactivating is not | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | shall I raise it on the mailing list | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | since the team is now tied up with malone, it becomes a bit complicated | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | I think it should be a group decision | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | soon it'll become tied up with a package and a supermirror | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | and wiki team is likely going to be tied to greater privs on the wiki as well | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | oh i remember~ | 10:01 |
| === jsgotangco should send the minutes later | ||
| jsgotangco | we talked about the lp team during the meeting | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | excellnt | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | I was too tired to come, sorry | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | other people were there like Riddell , jbailey, ogra, etc. | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | they suggested that ubuntu-doc members should comprise approved ubuntu-members | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | so basically if an ubuntu-member wants to join the doc, it'll be easier | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | so they have to become a member before they can become a member of ubuntu-doc? | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | its not really whitelisting, but its really safe to add to commit access and lp for ubuntu-members rather than those who aren't | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | basically | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | especially with commit privs | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | ok, that seems fair | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | it needs fleshing out the details though | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | but we have a higher chance of better performance with an ubuntu-member rather than not | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | (although it does leave out those who aren't into membership) | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | but that is not a big deal I think | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | but should they have to produce something for us before they are allowed to join? | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | well come to think of it, any person who contributes to doc can easily be a member | 10:07 |
| jsgotangco | like bhuvan for example | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | so if he's already an ubuntu-member, we can just easily add him to -doc | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | and it makes it easier to justify to elmo svn access | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | because a.) he's approved | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | b.) he's signed the CoC | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | but several of the pending members have not producing anything useful for the team that I can see | 10:09 |
| jsgotangco | we can probably tell them to contribute something first... | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | in other words, should applying for membership and being an ubuntu-member be enough to give you membership to ubuntu-doc? | 10:09 |
| jsgotangco | well ok that's a good question | 10:10 |
| jsgotangco | how does MOTU do it? | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | anyboyd can upload to REVU | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | to become a member of MOTU, you need technical board approval | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | they are not really a valid example in this case | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | but no other team is really big enough yet | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | art is too new, marketing doesn't exist, nun is dead | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | wiki is too new | 10:11 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:11 |
| jsgotangco | i don't want to see our position as unique as with other teams but we do have certain upload privs which needs consideration | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:12 |
| bhuvan | .. should i've to apply for ubuntu membership ? | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | bhuvan, you have enough, IMHO, to apply for ubuntu-membership now | 10:13 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 10:13 |
| Burgundavia | and the next CC meeting to 2 days from now | 10:13 |
| bhuvan | ok. i'll add my name for membership then | 10:13 |
| bhuvan | yeah | 10:13 |
| Burgundavia | I like the idea of asking people to produce something before they ask for membership to ubuntu-docs | 10:14 |
| Burgundavia | just as we have been doing up until now | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | well yes, it doesn't change anything | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | yes, it just codifies what is there | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | in case either of us drop off the planet | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | imo, membership is just an incentive/reward for contribution | 10:16 |
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| Burgundavia | nor do I | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | night | 10:24 |
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| Madpilot | do programs in Universe get bug-reported to Launchpad or Bugzilla.u.c? | 12:05 |
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| jjesse | what was the command to build the desktop guide again, left that email at home :( | 03:07 |
| bhuvan | dg-C ? | 03:07 |
| bhuvan | i meant 'make dg-C' | 03:08 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 03:10 |
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| jjesse | thanks bhuvan | 03:16 |
| jjesse | morning jsgotangco | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | morning =) | 03:18 |
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| bhuvan | jjesse, ok | 03:19 |
| bhuvan | jsgotangco, when're you leaving to seoul ? how long you'll be in seoul ? | 03:20 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, hi | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | just 4 days | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | hey Belutz how's things? | 03:21 |
| Belutz | i got flu :( | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: i pray its not bird flu :P | 03:21 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, no it's not :) | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:21 |
| bhuvan | night all | 03:22 |
| Belutz | hmm, the debian conference commitee could give 30 minutes slot | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | haha dude i can't fly with that short notice | 03:22 |
| Belutz | ok :) | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: hey you can speak in behalf of ubuntu anyways | 03:23 |
| Belutz | maybe next time :) | 03:23 |
| Belutz | hmm, i'm not ready yet | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | when will that be? | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:23 |
| Belutz | after, i'm no longer a newbie :-) | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | im going back later | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:36 |
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| jsgotangco | re | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 05:03 |
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| === mdke nudges Riddell about http://kubuntu.org/documentation.php | ||
| === Riddell can't get a response from help.ubuntu.com | ||
| mdke | gah | 07:10 |
| mdke | Riddell, you have to be patient | 07:11 |
| Riddell | ah yes, just very slow | 07:11 |
| Riddell | the stylesheets on e.g. http://help.ubuntu.com/kde/krelease-notes/C/index.html don't really work | 07:11 |
| Riddell | well, they arn't there | 07:11 |
| Riddell | can you update it use those three docs from trunk? | 07:12 |
| mdke | yes | 07:12 |
| mdke | Riddell, i used a kde stylesheet for those tho, was it a different one? | 07:13 |
| Riddell | mdke: I think you used the one sean made up, in trunk we're now using the ones from KDE docs | 07:13 |
| mdke | i used one which was packaged in kdelibs-data | 07:15 |
| mdke | Riddell, anyhow when I get home I'll look at it | 07:16 |
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| mdke | Riddell, yo? | 09:58 |
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| Riddell | mdke: hmm? | 10:04 |
| mdke | Riddell, can you walk me through what is going down with the -html and -web targets in the Makefile? last time I looked there was just -web | 10:05 |
| Riddell | mdke: -web is for the web, -html is offline html and normal target is offline .bz2 of html | 10:06 |
| mdke | Riddell, ok so you have changed the stylesheets for -web and added -html? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:18 |
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| mdke | Riddell, ok, and how does -html work? i see it uses meinproc rather than xslproc, and i don't see the stylesheets | 10:19 |
| Riddell | mdke: it uses the default KDE stylesheet | 10:19 |
| mdke | Riddell, does meinproc just know that automatically? | 10:19 |
| Riddell | mdke: seems to yes | 10:20 |
| mdke | right | 10:20 |
| mdke | we'll have to update some of the docs to tell people to install meinproc | 10:20 |
| mdke | it's not on my system | 10:20 |
| Riddell | it should be in the package build-deps | 10:20 |
| mdke | Riddell, i don't see that package | 10:21 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-docs | 10:21 |
| mdke | ah i see | 10:21 |
| Riddell | what I havn't worked out is how i18n works | 10:21 |
| mdke | ok | 10:22 |
| mdke | Riddell, fire away | 10:22 |
| Riddell | umm, nothing to fire, I don't know how it works in ubuntu-docs | 10:22 |
| mdke | Riddell, we make pot file templates from the xml, upload them to rosetta, download the po files, change them back to xml | 10:23 |
| mdke | i would suggest using the same system for (k)(ed)ubuntu l10n | 10:23 |
| Riddell | when are they uploaded and when are they downloaded? | 10:24 |
| Riddell | and who's going to set this up for dapper? | 10:25 |
| mdke | Riddell, we upload them after string freeze, and download them before the translation freeze. And I intend to do an update for breezy too | 10:25 |
| mdke | Riddell, i can do it | 10:25 |
| Riddell | aah | 10:26 |
| Riddell | where do the translations go? into ubuntu-docs? | 10:26 |
| mdke | Riddell, yes, although jbailey wanted to talk about language-packs. But now he's no longer with us, I'm thinking that won't happen | 10:27 |
| Riddell | I think dholbach will do it | 10:28 |
| Riddell | you just ship the .xml file, doesn't that take a long time to covert to HTML when viewing? | 10:29 |
| mdke | it will be very difficult I think | 10:29 |
| mdke | Riddell, in gnome yelp is the viewer, it reads xml directly. although it is a bit sluggish | 10:29 |
| mdke | brb | 10:29 |
| mdke | back | 10:47 |
| mdke | jjesse, around? | 11:01 |
| mdke | damn you! | 11:05 |
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