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| zul | lheylo | 01:44 |
| BenC | fabbione: sparc64 will be a go with -4.4 | 03:19 |
| BenC | atleast it will build | 03:20 |
| BenC | getting ready to boot the e3k with it | 03:20 |
| zul | cool | 03:29 |
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| fabbione | BenC: cool | 05:39 |
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| Earthpig | anyone about? | 08:13 |
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| Earthpig | ANy kernel dev types awake? | 09:51 |
| fabbione | hi | 10:00 |
| Earthpig | Is that a hi, I'm awake? :) | 10:03 |
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| CataEnry | hi all | 11:04 |
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| CataEnry | bye all | 12:06 |
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| jbailey | Anyone know off hand if Ben has a new ppc64 kernel to test with rtc fixes? | 01:20 |
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| CataEnry | hi all | 01:29 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:33 |
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| jbailey | DoubleChuck! | 02:36 |
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| zul | hehe | 02:42 |
| Earthpig | Anyone know the best way to get a driver added to the kernel images? | 02:44 |
| Yagisan | submit bug + patch ? | 02:44 |
| Earthpig | Is that preferable to packaging it as a -module thing? | 02:45 |
| Earthpig | Basically, options are: 1) patch straight into the kernel source; 2) package as a separate source .deb that builds a -module.deb which make-kpkg can use. | 02:46 |
| Earthpig | There are additional utilities associated with the driver, so I can see some merit in a single source .deb that spits out multiple, but my understanding is that users still have to build the kernel module themselves, even with the -module.deb option. | 02:47 |
| Yagisan | well, if you do bug + patch, and the kernel devs are happy with it, then the users won't need to build it themselves | 02:49 |
| jbailey | Earthpig: At this point we don't have a good way of making sure that modules are automatically rebuilt when kernel | 02:49 |
| jbailey | ABIs change. | 02:49 |
| jbailey | When that happens, packaging separate will work. | 02:49 |
| Earthpig | True. The code looks like shit though ;) WOuldn't suprise me though if I was told to run it through indent first. | 02:49 |
| jbailey | But in most cases the truly correct answer is to get it in upstream. | 02:49 |
| Earthpig | Well, the driver is in -mm but not yet vanilla. | 02:50 |
| Earthpig | (arcmsr, for reference) | 02:50 |
| Earthpig | When you say upstream, do you mean vanilla or debian? | 02:52 |
| Yagisan | vanilla | 02:52 |
| Earthpig | Crap. :) If it's in -mm but not yet vanilla, I'm guessing I can't push any harder., | 02:52 |
| Yagisan | Ubuntu doesn't use Debian kernels TTBOMK | 02:52 |
| Earthpig | I've noticed the patch list is different. | 02:53 |
| Earthpig | Hrm. I only just discovered that protected methods are also package-wide. | 02:56 |
| Earthpig | oops wrong channel | 02:56 |
| jbailey | Earthpig: If it's in -mm, you might be able to ask Ben to sync it in. | 03:02 |
| Earthpig | does ben have an address? | 03:06 |
| Earthpig | (not registered... can't privmsg) | 03:06 |
| jbailey | Private message is almost always the wrong solution anyway. There's no reason for the discussion to be private. | 03:10 |
| Earthpig | agreed. | 03:10 |
| jbailey | If BenC's not around atm, I'd suggest emailing the ubuntu-kernel list, or filing a bug in bugzilla with the patchsets from -mm that you want. | 03:11 |
| jbailey | That way a discussion can happen around the idea. | 03:11 |
| BenC | what's up? | 03:11 |
| jbailey | (Or we could remember that Ben doesn't nick highlight on his name.. *g*) | 03:12 |
| BenC | yes, Ben gives me too many false positives :) | 03:12 |
| jbailey | Yeah, I still do it for Jeff. It helps me catch people talking about me. =) | 03:12 |
| BenC | lol | 03:12 |
| jbailey | I want per-channel nick highlights. | 03:13 |
| BenC | Earthpig: what driver? | 03:13 |
| Earthpig | ben: arcmsr | 03:17 |
| BenC | sata driver? | 03:18 |
| fabbione | hey BenC | 03:18 |
| Earthpig | RAID controller. | 03:18 |
| BenC | fabbione: hey, sparc64-smp fails to boot, but I'm tracking it down | 03:18 |
| Earthpig | PCIe or PCI-X host-side, SATA-II on the disk side. | 03:18 |
| fabbione | BenC: ah | 03:18 |
| fabbione | BenC: what about UP? | 03:18 |
| BenC | didn't try UP | 03:18 |
| fabbione | ok | 03:18 |
| BenC | the failure is in alloc_percpu() (kmalloc_node fails), so I suspect UP works | 03:19 |
| Earthpig | -mm has been tracking the driver from Areca; 2.6.15-rc1 contains the current driver; broken-out/areca-raid-linux-scsi-driver.patch should apply cleanly against any 2.6.x tree. | 03:20 |
| BenC | Earthpig: send me an email with the brokenout patch from -mm and I'll look at it | 03:20 |
| BenC | 2.6.15-rc1 contains the driver? | 03:21 |
| BenC | then we're all set, since dapper has 2.6.15-rc1 | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | Sorry. 2.6.15-rc1-mm2 | 03:21 |
| BenC | ah | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | I meant the -mm patch against it :) | 03:21 |
| BenC | ok, can you get the driver patch broken out and email me that? | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.15-rc1/2.6.15-rc1-mm2/broken-out/areca-raid-linux-scsi-driver.patch | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | That's the broken out patch. | 03:21 |
| BenC | ok, thanks | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | You might want to read the comments at the top. | 03:21 |
| Earthpig | I can compile it out of tree easily enough, but it is inconvenient. :) Especially since / and /boot are on it. | 03:23 |
| Earthpig | Since it's a module and self-contained, the risk that it'll b0rk other stuff should be quite low. Dunno how strict your criteria are for inclusion. | 03:24 |
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| BenC | wow, this code is commented to the hilt | 03:26 |
| Earthpig | good or bad? :D | 03:26 |
| BenC | like 20 lines per #define in the header :) | 03:26 |
| BenC | depends on your opinion of proper commenting I guess | 03:27 |
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| Earthpig | Well, good that there are comments. Bad if they all say it's shit. :) | 03:27 |
| BenC | Earthpig: any crashes with it? | 03:27 |
| Earthpig | Not sure yet. Will know by the end of the week; awaiting a new motherboard. | 03:28 |
| Earthpig | It doesn't crash on load :D | 03:28 |
| BenC | I'll mark it for inclusion...are the tools required to use it? | 03:28 |
| Earthpig | Nope; it has BIOS configuration. | 03:28 |
| BenC | ok | 03:28 |
| Earthpig | Tools are handy though; supports online expansion and raid level migration. | 03:28 |
| Earthpig | (and stripe-size migration) | 03:29 |
| BenC | you have to agree to be my bug-bitch if there are any problems reported on it though :) | 03:29 |
| Earthpig | If it means it normally shouldJustWork[tm] , I'm fine with that. | 03:29 |
| BenC | it should, just nice to have an extra tester for external-drivers like this | 03:30 |
| Earthpig | Yeah, no problem. | 03:30 |
| BenC | wow, nice that the driver is maintained by areca directly | 03:31 |
| BenC | should be able to get support from Erich easily enough | 03:31 |
| Earthpig | Yeah. They're a pretty friendly bunch. | 03:32 |
| Earthpig | Hell, they did a press release when it make it into -mm. | 03:32 |
| BenC | hehe | 03:32 |
| BenC | maybe they'll do one when we put it into ubuntu? :) | 03:32 |
| Earthpig | If you let them know, that wouldn't surprise me. | 03:33 |
| Earthpig | Support have also been good; they took my mobo issue up with Asus directly. | 03:33 |
| jbailey | Earthpig: Do you have contact information for them? =) | 03:38 |
| jbailey | I can take care of that arrangement. =) | 03:39 |
| Earthpig | For Areca? | 03:39 |
| Earthpig | Asus? | 03:39 |
| jbailey | Whichever company did the press relesae. Was that Areca? | 03:40 |
| Earthpig | Yeah. | 03:40 |
| jbailey | I can't see it ebing asus. | 03:40 |
| jbailey | But we have a hardware certification program, and I'd love to introduce them to it. | 03:40 |
| Earthpig | http://www.areca.com.tw/news/html/n_press%20release.htm is the existing press releases. | 03:41 |
| Earthpig | March/April are the ones I'm thinking of. | 03:42 |
| BenC | erich@areca.com.tw is the guy supporting the driver | 03:42 |
| Earthpig | kevin34@areca.com.tw is the support guy i've been dealing with. | 03:43 |
| dilinger | i keep hearing really good things about areca | 03:51 |
| dilinger | too bad their stuff is so much more expensive than everything else | 03:51 |
| Earthpig | It's cheaper that 3ware. | 03:51 |
| dilinger | nah | 03:51 |
| dilinger | 8port sata controllers are like $200 more than 3ware | 03:52 |
| dilinger | sorry, $100 more. i bought a refurb'd controller, which is where the other $100 came from ;) | 03:52 |
| Earthpig | Native SATA-II? | 03:53 |
| Earthpig | 3ware for a long time were using PATA internally and bridge-chips. | 03:53 |
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| Earthpig | I can also only see PCI or PCI-X. PCI gets saturated easily once you go to any 2-disk setup. And PCI-X adds more than $100 to the cost of the motherboard. | 03:54 |
| dilinger | i doubt it; the 9500s-8 is what i ended up getting | 03:55 |
| Earthpig | Do you get better than 90MB/sec from it? | 03:55 |
| dilinger | it hasn't arrived yet | 03:56 |
| Earthpig | Heh ok. :) | 03:56 |
| Earthpig | At least your drivers are in already. ;) | 03:56 |
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| Earthpig | benc: want my email address for later? | 04:04 |
| BenC | email me, or I'll lose it | 04:04 |
| BenC | bcollins@ubuntu.com | 04:04 |
| BenC | my inbox is the only static data store I have | 04:05 |
| Earthpig | ok will do | 04:05 |
| BenC | thanks | 04:05 |
| BenC | if I could turn emails into stickies, I'd be happy | 04:05 |
| chmj | neccesity is the mother of invention | 04:06 |
| Earthpig | With BeOS, you could. :) | 04:06 |
| jbailey | BenC: You need on of those SLP label printers. =) | 04:07 |
| BenC | hehe | 04:09 |
| BenC | anyone know if the sky2 driver is stable now? | 04:09 |
| BenC | if I can avoid sk98lin for dapper I will | 04:09 |
| zul | bah...how can you not have a bootdisk for a server? | 04:26 |
| fabbione | BenC: .15 on ppc seems pretty stable | 04:26 |
| fabbione | have been running it for a while now | 04:27 |
| fabbione | except suspend/resume that choacks on some large penises.. | 04:27 |
| fabbione | but that's a known upstream problem | 04:27 |
| fabbione | benh is working on it already | 04:27 |
| BenC | yeah, it's been running for over a week on my G4 | 04:40 |
| BenC | glad it's not an isolated incident :) | 04:41 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 04:44 |
| fabbione | unfortunatly the new model is barely supported | 04:44 |
| fabbione | i need to bitch Olof | 04:44 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Uhm. | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Why did we disable apic by default on uniprocessor machines? | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | That just breaks a different set of machines | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | There's hardware that needs apic support now | 04:51 |
| BenC | mjg59: it was a patch I pulled from fedora, but I hadn't decided on whether to leave it on or not | 04:51 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. I think it's the wrong solution. | 04:52 |
| BenC | easy enough to disable it, it's a config option | 04:52 |
| BenC | will be disabled in my next push | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | BenC: For instance, the bug you pulled the patch from is about hardware that requires the apic to be on... | 04:54 |
| mjg59 | Ok, cool | 04:54 |
| BenC | I didn't get it from a bug, just went through all the fedora patches, and that one looked atleast interesting to have in | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | Ah, ok | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | The bugzilla entry referenced, then | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Any chance we can get the driver from http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ ? | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | Moderately common 802.11 chipset | 05:01 |
| BenC | sure, I'll look into it | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | (I'm just going through the list of wireless drivers) | 05:01 |
| infinity | BenC : Say, any idea why my laptop claims to not have a CD drive when I boot with 2.6.15? | 05:04 |
| BenC | infinity: my G4 does the same thing | 05:05 |
| BenC | does it show in dmesg, and just not work in the desktop? | 05:05 |
| BenC | mines actually there, just gnome doesn't use it | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Also, there seems to be a driver for the softmac prism54 chipsets appearing | 05:06 |
| infinity | BenC : No, mine doesn't even show in dmesg. Just plain ain't there. | 05:06 |
| BenC | mjg59: yeah, I have a softmac patch, which is also needed for bcm430x | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | The stuff from http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ ? | 05:06 |
| BenC | infinity: ide? | 05:06 |
| infinity | Yep. | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | (Most. Misleading. Name. Ever) | 05:06 |
| BenC | infinty: drives show up? | 05:06 |
| BenC | fucking {arch} | 05:07 |
| infinity | Erm, SATA, not IDE. | 05:07 |
| zul | mjg59: send me an email and ill do it tonight | 05:08 |
| infinity | And yes, hard drive shows up, CD not. | 05:08 |
| infinity | The CD drive ALMOST shows up. | 05:08 |
| BenC | infinity: "almost"? | 05:08 |
| infinity | [17179573.012000] ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407 | 05:08 |
| infinity | [17179573.012000] ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33 | 05:08 |
| infinity | But nothing after that about the drive (like vendor ID, etc) | 05:08 |
| BenC | tried modprobe sr_mod? | 05:09 |
| infinity | No dice. | 05:10 |
| infinity | Oh well, I have other stuff to do, I'll have to whine to you about it later. | 05:11 |
| mjg59 | I should really try to get hold of one of the softmac cards for testing | 05:12 |
| Earthpig | benc: any idea when the next push is going to be? | 05:12 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Also, last time I checked we didn't seem to have the zd1211 firmware | 05:14 |
| mjg59 | Not sure what we want to do about that, or what license it's under | 05:14 |
| BenC | is it 100% useless without the firmware? | 05:15 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Yeah | 05:15 |
| mjg59 | By "we" I mean Ubuntu - it's in Debian | 05:15 |
| BenC | interesting that we even have the driver in the first place then | 05:15 |
| mjg59 | As a package, rather than in the kernel | 05:15 |
| BenC | well, if it's similar to the current firmware distribution terms we can just include it like we do now | 05:16 |
| BenC | debian package doesn't even have a license or anything in the .orig.tar.gz | 05:17 |
| mjg59 | It's in the upstream driver release, as a bunch of hex in a GPLed header file | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Ok, we don't seem to have prism54 support for softmac PCI devices | 05:18 |
| infinity | My favourite. | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | But there's a driver that ought to (at least partially) work now | 05:18 |
| BenC | GPL'd hex, lovely | 05:18 |
| BenC | totally contradicts it's own license | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Oh, I still need to do that vga16fb patch, don't I? | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Well, they're the copyright holders, so. | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | It ought to be distributable | 05:19 |
| infinity | mjg59 : I have something on my hard drive here. | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Oh, cool. Just changing the ysize and timings? | 05:20 |
| infinity | mjg59 : I stole the 640x400 timings from the X vga drive. If you happen to know that those aren't "correct", let me know. | 05:20 |
| infinity | s/drive/driver/ | 05:20 |
| infinity | I need to do some testing here before I push the patch to Ben. | 05:20 |
| BenC | mjg59: source code == "prefered form of the work for making modifications" | 05:20 |
| infinity | And I also need to make the same changes to syslinux. | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | infinity: As far as I know, they're good | 05:21 |
| infinity | BenC : It's hazy if you're the copyright holder. Much less hazy if you are obfuscating someone else's code. | 05:21 |
| infinity | mjg59 : If you have an urge to dig through the asm in syslinux and find the right spot to make the change, that'd be cool. | 05:22 |
| infinity | mjg59 : Though, I can find it easily enough. | 05:22 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Hahahahaahahahahaha (dies) | 05:22 |
| infinity | mjg59 : What I'd really dig is for someone (*stare*) to make usplash a proper blocking daemon, so we can stop this silly "usplash & ; sleep 1" business. | 05:23 |
| mjg59 | Oh, yeah. What's the sleep for, again? | 05:23 |
| mjg59 | Should really just add a daemon() call | 05:23 |
| infinity | mjg59 : Because usplash takes a while before it's ready to accept the first write commant. | 05:23 |
| infinity | command, too. | 05:23 |
| mjg59 | Oh, yes | 05:23 |
| BenC | ok, zd1211 will be in -4.4 too | 05:24 |
| infinity | mjg59 : If it blocked until it was ready, then backgrounded itself, all would be well. | 05:24 |
| BenC | zd1211-firmware that is | 05:24 |
| mjg59 | Just add daemon() before it starts the idle loop | 05:24 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Rock | 05:24 |
| infinity | mjg59 : Oh. And a curiosity. Did yuo have a good reason for using tty8, or did it just seem the thing to do? | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | infinity: I can't remember | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | I'm not even sure if I did | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | That might have been someone else's diff | 05:25 |
| mjg59 | I thought I just grabbed the current console | 05:25 |
| infinity | mjg59 : It cauases a certain amount of scary if, say, your disk check fails, you get dropped to tty8, and you can't type. | 05:25 |
| infinity | mjg59 : If that's someone else's fault, and you have no idea why, I may unfault it back to using the current VC, cause it seems a bit... Wrong. | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | Yeah. | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | infinity: Ok, syslinux just does mov ax,0012h ; Set mode = 640x480 VGA 16 colors int 10h | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | (nngh whitespace breakage) | 05:26 |
| infinity | Yeah, but in which file? :) | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | graphics.inc | 05:26 |
| infinity | I grepped for 10h, found a few too many, and put it on my "look closer in a few days" list. | 05:27 |
| mjg59 | In the "vgasetmode" function | 05:27 |
| infinity | Rock. Lifesaver, you are. | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | infinity: There doesn't seem to be an int 10 mode for 640x400 | 05:28 |
| infinity | I'll fix both this week then, and if we get 2.6.15 as the default kernel on flight-2, we can have end-to-end testing of the new mode. | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | 640x350 is 0x10 | 05:28 |
| infinity | mjg59 : I'm pretty sure I found one when I was googling before. | 05:28 |
| infinity | Maybe not. | 05:28 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I want to do something really nasty to the framebuffer | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | I want a sysfs parameter that, when set, discards all framebuffer reads or writes silently | 05:29 |
| mjg59 | So that way we can avoid anything touching the framebuffer until we've POSTed and so on | 05:29 |
| infinity | Perverse. I like it. | 05:30 |
| mjg59 | It's trivial | 05:30 |
| infinity | You'd do that at the fbcon level, I assume, not touch each fb driver? | 05:33 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 05:33 |
| infinity | Well, put me on the "yes please" bandwagon for that. | 05:33 |
| infinity | That may fix my "breezy doesn't resume from hibernate" issue on my laptop. | 05:34 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: you're evil. But in a good way. | 06:45 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: ? | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: the discard writes hack. | 06:46 |
| mjg59 | Ah | 06:47 |
| BenC | zul: ping | 07:06 |
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| zul | BenC: yo | 07:21 |
| zul | i mean pong | 07:22 |
| BenC | zul: the i8042 patch you sent me, is there any reason that it should not be submitted upstream? | 07:22 |
| zul | no there shouldnt be | 07:22 |
| BenC | ok, thanks | 07:26 |
| zul | nopr | 07:27 |
| zul | heh...my kotd almost works | 07:27 |
| zul | http://zulinux.homelinux.net/kotd <-- daily kernel builds automated (its using an old git though) | 07:34 |
| BenC | are they apt'able? | 07:42 |
| zul | not yet.. | 07:43 |
| zul | its on my personal box though | 07:43 |
| zul | and its only x86 | 07:44 |
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| zul | blah | 07:54 |
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| zul | BenC: its a start atleast | 08:03 |
| BenC | yeah, it'll be needed soon | 08:04 |
| jbailey | BenC: I could probably fire off a KOTD for ppc/ppc64 here if you're not setup for it. | 08:06 |
| BenC | not setup for any of the automated stuff yet | 08:06 |
| BenC | zul: how long do your builds take? | 08:06 |
| zul | couple of hours | 08:07 |
| jbailey | Using ccache? | 08:07 |
| zul | not yet.. | 08:07 |
| zul | it was just a test run hasnt been optimized yet | 08:08 |
| jbailey | I have my package builder hooked to always use ccache. | 08:08 |
| zul | jbailey: i wrote a script that does it for me | 08:08 |
| jbailey | alias db='linux32 debuild -e PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games' | 08:08 |
| zul | is there something on the wiki about ccache? | 08:09 |
| jbailey | No ide.a | 08:09 |
| jbailey | But apt-get install ccache | 08:09 |
| jbailey | mkdir ~/bin | 08:09 |
| jbailey | cd ~/bin | 08:09 |
| jbailey | ln -s /usr/bin/ccache gcc | 08:09 |
| jbailey | (repeat for gcc cpp g++ gcc-3.4 cpp-3.4 g++-3.4, etc...) | 08:10 |
| jbailey | Then anytime those are called, ccache gets used. | 08:10 |
| Mithrandir | echo 'export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH' >> ~/.${SHELL}rc ; exec $SHELL | 08:10 |
| jbailey | Ooo. | 08:10 |
| jbailey | I didn't know about /usr/lib/ccache | 08:10 |
| Mithrandir | it's very convenient. | 08:10 |
| jbailey | Yup | 08:11 |
| === jbailey tweaks his alias to use those instead. | ||
| jbailey | alias db='linux32 debuild -e PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games' | 08:11 |
| jbailey | Then run 'db' when you want a ccache enabled build. | 08:11 |
| zul | cool... | 08:12 |
| jbailey | Note that debuild cleans the path if you're not otherwise careful. | 08:12 |
| jbailey | The linux32 applies to me since I'm on ppc64. | 08:12 |
| jbailey | You may want to take it out for your arch. | 08:12 |
| Earthpig | ccache doesn't go via alternatives? | 08:16 |
| Earthpig | oops... you're inserting ccache on the path somewhere else so that it calls alternatives. | 08:17 |
| jbailey | Earthpig: No, because you need to be able to trivially *not* use gcc for validation. | 08:19 |
| jbailey | BenC: Thinking of which, do you have a ppc64 image for me to test? Otherwise I will start my afternoon's worth of work. | 08:30 |
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| BenC | jbailey: no images yet | 09:17 |
| BenC | jbailey: CCACHE_DISABLE=y debuild, btw | 09:19 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Ah, handy. | 10:01 |
| makx | infinity: ping | 10:17 |
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