[01:28] <StrikeForce> gbgh
[01:36] <raphink> I'll be happy to work on my packages tomorrow if anyone is willing to review them :D Good night !
[02:25] <Toots> hi all!
[02:25] <Toots> I have made several packages that are now in official debian
[02:25] <Toots> among them are some that would benefit from being in ubuntu too
[02:26] <Kyral> Ask them to be sync'd :P
[02:26] <Toots> I am thinking of peercast the P2P broadcast servent
[02:26] <Toots> Kyral: who shall I ask for?
[02:26] <Kyral> dunno
[02:26] <Kyral> I'm just an Trainee
[02:26] <crimsun> they need to be NEWed just as they once were in Debian
[02:27] <Toots> crimsun: ok
[02:27] <Toots> is there an ML to ask for that or else?
[02:27] <crimsun> not really.
[02:28] <crimsun> We just need to ask dholbach or sh to have them NEWed, which kamion/mdz/elmo can handle
[02:28] <Toots> did not understan sorry..
[02:28] <Toots> are they people from ubuntu?
[02:29] <crimsun> dholbach and sh are, yes. kamion, mdz, and elmo should be familiar from Debian.
[02:29] <Toots> well looks like it allready synced...
[02:29] <Toots> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/sound/peercast
[02:29] <Toots> did not knew that :)
[02:29] <crimsun> then the point is moot, move along. :)
[02:30] <Toots> all my packages are allready in debian... :)
[02:30] <Toots> in ubuntu i meant sorry..
[02:30] <Toots> cool :)
[02:30] <crimsun> yes, if they are in Sid at the beginning of the cycle, then they will be synced in automagically
[02:31] <Toots> great thing!
[02:32] <Toots> well thx for that!
[02:32] <Toots> see ya!
[02:32] <Toots> ++
[02:32] <crimsun> thank you :)
[03:16] <zakame> hi
[03:45] <Burgundavia> Unfrgiven, do you have that beginners packaging guide for the doc team?
[03:54] <Kyral> weren't LaserJock and I supposed to work ont hat?
[03:56] <ajmitch> Kyral: this is one that Unfrgiven has worked on & started after UDU in sydney
[03:56] <Kyral> ah
[03:58] <zakame> hmmm, gnubiff fails to build, according to lamont's logs,  waah!
[04:48] <zakame> hmmm, just to make sure, but do I still have to make a debdiff for packages that can be synced?
[04:50] <ajmitch> what would there be to debdiff?
[04:50] <ajmitch> since a debdiff is just to show changes you made
[04:53] <zakame> ah, ok, like I said, just to make sure ;)
[04:54] <zakame> someone asked me the other day about it :)
[04:57] <zakame> bbl
[05:20] <ajmitch> hi magnon
[05:21] <magnon> hey :)
[05:21] <magnon> how's the laptop deal?
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch long time no see
[05:22] <ajmitch> I don't have one at the moment
[05:22] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[05:23] <magnon> mine broke down
[05:23] <magnon> I opened it one morning and the keyboard didn
[05:23] <magnon> 't work
[05:23] <magnon> fun fun
[05:24] <ajmitch> ouch
[05:24] <magnon> and since all the non-mac external keyboards I can find are ps/2 (the mac ones wont work), and apple almost guarantees that they WILL remove anything on my disk
[05:24] <magnon> I can't hand it in yet
[05:24] <magnon> a bunch of merges on it :(
[05:24] <magnon> woudln't be a problem if it had an sshd :P
[05:25] <ajmitch> no usb keyboards lying around?
[05:25] <magnon> just mac ones
[05:25] <magnon> I've been to 4-5 offices of people I know nearby, nothing :P
[05:26] <magnon> the mac ones weirdly enough send a control character before... anything
[05:26] <magnon> oh what the heck
[05:26] <magnon> snow"
[05:26] <magnon> :D
[06:06] <\sh> moins
[06:08] <ajmitch> hi
[06:11] <ajmitch> how are you this morning, \sh
[06:14] <\sh> fine..thx :)
[06:15] <\sh> I'm trying to get up now...but right now, I'm reading something about dbus and python :)
[06:15] <ajmitch> heh
[06:18] <\sh> and how are u feeling being back at work after a long trip far away from your home? :)
[06:19] <ajmitch> I'd rather still be on that trip away from home ;)
[06:19] <ajmitch> spent today configuring a server
[06:19] <ajmitch> running sarge, but I put a dapper chroot on, for test purposes ;)
[06:20] <\sh> hehe...btw did u hear anything about the stolen laptop? will there be a replacement or something?
[06:20] <ajmitch> I'll be replacing it
[06:21] <ajmitch> the server for work seems to be a bit faster for compiling than my home box
[06:21] <ajmitch> fairly basic, just a 3GHz P4, 2GB RAM, 2x80GB SATA in RAID-1
[06:22] <ajmitch> looking at a laptop that has 1GB RAM, 100GB disk
[06:23] <\sh> ajmitch: I thought it was the canonical laptop which was stolen...and there would be something like an insurance just for the case the laptop breaks or is stolen?
[06:23] <ajmitch> it was a canonical laptop, and their insurance didn't cover that, afaik
[06:23] <ajmitch> so my travel insurance (mostly) covers it
[06:24] <\sh> oh ok :)
[06:25] <ajmitch> so I have the fun of trying to pay for a nice replacement ;)
[06:25] <ajmitch> which isn't so bad - I didn't pay for the canonical laptop in the first place
[06:30] <jsgotangco> wow so you lost your laptop
[06:33] <ajmitch> stolen, along with a few other things
[06:34] <jsgotangco> argghh what a cruel fate ubz has given
[06:37] <highvoltage> ajmitch: when i watch movies like star wars and movies where all the bad things happen to the good guys, it helps me realise who i am.
[06:37] <highvoltage> ajmitch: don't let the dark side get you down ;)
[06:41] <jsgotangco> you're a tatoinne native?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:44] <ajmitch> had too much stuff to do at UBZ to worry about little things like that ;)
[06:47] <Lathiat> eek
[06:47] <Lathiat> what did you get stolen?
[06:47] <Lathiat> was jeffs stuff nicked at ubz too?
[06:49] <Mithrandir> yeah
[06:50] <jsgotangco> along with his treo
[07:02] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you could say so :)
[07:03] <jsgotangco> that's actually somewhere in the south pacific...
[07:16] <\sh> hmmm
[07:16] <\sh> can someone install eric and tell me if it's crashing?
[07:17] <\sh> aehm it's kde stuff but i need to be sure
[07:23] <\sh> rushing for office now....bbl
[07:33] <bigcx2> hey all
[07:33] <bigcx2> is it ok to file bugs for kubuntu in malone
[07:33] <bigcx2> universe bugs
[07:36] <ajmitch> sure
[07:38] <bigcx2> alright cool
[07:38] <bigcx2> ajmitch: have you built any packages under kubuntu
[07:41] <bigcx2> it seems that seahorse just wants to poop out under kde and not start
[07:43] <ajmitch> no, but kubuntu is just ubuntu with a different set of packages
[07:43] <bigcx2> yea i realize
[07:44] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:44] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, seahorse dies under ubuntu as well
[07:45] <ajmitch> ok, why tell me? :)
[07:45] <Burgundavia> just mentioning it
[07:46] <ajmitch> make sure it gets mentioned in malone
[07:46] <Burgundavia> I will figure out what causes it and file the bug
[07:55] <siretart> morning folks
[07:56] <ajmitch> hey siretart, dholbach
[07:56] <ajmitch> how are you?
[07:56] <dholbach> i'm fine, thanks how are you?
[07:56] <dholbach> hi everybody
[07:56] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[07:56] <dholbach> hi siretart
[07:56] <ajmitch> alive :)
[07:56] <siretart> I'm still a bit tired, its still 8am over here ;)
[07:57] <ajmitch> bah
[07:57] <lifeless> have you slept yet ?
[07:57] <lifeless> bah
[07:57] <ajmitch> afternoon lifeless
[07:58] <lifeless> hola
[07:59] <siretart> hi freeflying!
[07:59] <siretart> freeflying: did you notice: you uploaded a binary package again, which got again ignored
[07:59] <freeflying> siretart: hi
[07:59] <freeflying> siretart: yeah
[08:00] <freeflying> but I build it with -sa
[08:00] <siretart> freeflying: '-S -sa' is the key
[08:00] <ajmitch> you need to use -S for source-only magic
[08:00] <freeflying> sure I've done this
[08:00] <siretart> and look for *_source.changes, the *_i386.changes is useless for us
[08:01] <ajmitch> & make sure you upload the source_changes ;)
[08:01] <ajmitch> seems that I'm always a few seconds slower than siretart
[08:01] <siretart> ajmitch: but you are completly right ;)
[08:01] <freeflying> I upload them all
[08:01] <siretart> ajmitch: naah, thats the lag from nz to europe. You are still closer to freeflying ;)
[08:02] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:03] <freeflying> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=887 how to get ride of the warning messages
[08:21] <zakame> hi all
[08:21] <dholbach> hi zakame
[08:21] <jsgotangco> hey you two
[08:23] <zakame> hmmm, wouldn't it be a good idea to generalize what we have in motu-tools now so as to enable some like Debian's reportbug, for malone?
[08:24] <siretart> zakame: \sh is working on a gtk reportbug frontend, but If you want to spend some time on reportbug, go ahead! :)
[08:25] <zakame> siretart: that's great to hear! :) well, I'm just a Perl novice looking for a project, and motu-tools just seemed to be a nice opportunity to flex those llama muscles ;)
[08:25] <siretart> w00ho, first successfull build of aspectc++ :)
[08:26] <siretart> zakame: IIRC reportbug was written in perl
[08:28] <zakame> siretart: yes it is, but that doesn't work for malone though :(
[08:28] <siretart> zakame: that depends how do you want to interact with malone
[08:29] <siretart> zakame: Currently, there seems just to be an Emailinterface for that, the xmlrpc interface is AFAIK not public  yet
[08:31] <zakame> siretart: yes, that's what I've read so far :(
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> hi all
[09:01] <zakame> hi Gloubiboulga
[09:02] <Gloubiboulga> hello zakame, how are you?
[09:03] <zakame> Gloubiboulga: just got a ping from a DD about my debian package, am now just rebuilding my chroot from scratch ;) how about you?
[09:04] <pef> hello
[09:05] <zakame> hi pef
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> zakame, my chroot is ok, and so am I :)
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> hello pef
[09:06] <pef> :)
[09:06] <pef> why some motus uploads under their name (sponsored upload) and another upload under the packager name ?
[09:07] <zakame> hmm good question
[09:07] <dholbach> when sponsoring, people should just sign the upload, but not change the changelog
[09:08] <dholbach> but an explanation might be that they wanted to get a notification mail, when the guy they sponsored was not whitelisted yet
[09:09] <zakame> oh
[09:11] <dholbach> and hello pef :)
[09:12] <Gloubiboulga> could any MOTU have a look at malone #4644 & #4639 ?
[09:12] <pef> dholbach: hello Daniel :) for me as example, I'm a motu but I don't have upload rights now because of my unsigned gpg key (will make sign it during december), why some motu upload my changes as sponsored and another under my name ?
[09:13] <dholbach> pef: if you made a changelog entry, you should get it uploaded just like that
[09:18] <zakame> what's up with libglade2-dev and libgnome2-dev? gnubiff doesn't build at all :(
[09:19] <dholbach> zakame: buildlog?
[09:19] <zakame> that's according to lamont's buildlog, but I can build gnubiff here in my dapper chroot with no prob.
[09:22] <dholbach> then ask lamont/infinity to give it back, seems the buildd had a hiccup
[09:24] <dholbach> morning \sh
[09:24] <zakame> hi \sh
[09:24] <zakame> ok, will do
[09:25] <\sh> moins
[09:30] <\sh> dholbach: could it be that there is something wrong with dh_fixperms or cdbs? because every gnome-games binary has this problem..and normally dh_fixperms should change the permissions...
[09:31] <dholbach> i don't think it's cdbs/debhelper
[09:31] <dholbach> but i didn't get this fixed yet :(
[10:14] <zakame> sri
[10:53] <freeflying> siretart: how can download the package from revu  ftp
[10:55] <dholbach> freeflying: it's http, you can just download it, no?
[10:55] <freeflying> dholbach: I need the one in ftp
[10:56] <dholbach> i don't quite follow
[10:56] <freeflying> dholbach: it seems have no permission from ftp
[10:56] <\sh> freeflying: no way to do it...ftp is only for upload
[10:56] <asbin> hi everybody
[10:57] <freeflying> \sh: I need what in ftp's binaries
[10:57] <asbin> I have a little question about REVU ...
[10:57] <dholbach> and as keybuk said: revu is a motu matter, no need to ask on both channels
[10:57] <dholbach> asbin: fire away
[10:57] <asbin> :)
[10:57] <\sh> freeflying: ftps binaries?
[10:58] <freeflying> \sh: ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming/binaries/
[10:58] <asbin> I maintain the ushare package, last week I've sent the 0.9.2 version on REVU. Now I have the 0.9.3 version ... should I upload this new version ? What to do with the old ?
[10:58] <\sh> freeflying: ftp is the only method to upload...if it's uploaded you can see it on the revu webpage...login into revu with your account and click on the package..there are the orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and .dsc files for your package
[10:59] <dholbach> asbin: just upload it
[10:59] <asbin> ok
[10:59] <dholbach> asbin: it will appear in the "asbin history"
[10:59] <dholbach> asbin: you will be able to see the diffs between them
[10:59] <asbin> great
[10:59] <dholbach> cool
[10:59] <dholbach> brb
[11:00] <freeflying> \sh: I uploaded them yestoday ,but they are not found from webpage
[11:01] <siretart> freeflying: again: revu ignores binaries, please upload a source package
[11:01] <freeflying> siretart: actually, I uploaded them with source files
[11:02] <siretart> freeflying: you still did not upload a *_source.changes file, but a *_i386.changes file
[11:02] <asbin> done ;)
[11:02] <siretart> freeflying: this used to work a few weeks ago, but I disabled it, because it confused users
[11:03] <freeflying> siretart: I can foind them in ftp now
[11:03] <siretart> sorry?
[11:03] <freeflying> siretart: I can find them in ftp now
[11:03] <siretart> freeflying: oh, you are using a real ftp client to upload? ;)
[11:04] <freeflying> siretart: no ,upload with dput
[11:04] <asbin> btw, my diff file is empty, as the debian directory is included in the tar ... is this a problem ?
[11:04] <siretart> freeflying: this is a temporary directory for internal use
[11:04] <\sh> freeflying: did u upload a binary file?
[11:04] <siretart> freeflying: may I delete your binaries or do you need them?
[11:04] <freeflying> siretart: for my mis-opertion ,I del all my work dir
[11:05] <freeflying> so I need download them
[11:05] <siretart> I see. just a sek
[11:05] <siretart> freeflying: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/skim/
[11:05] <siretart> I moved them ouy
[11:05] <siretart> out
[11:06] <freeflying> siretart: thanks
[11:08] <lucas> siretart: did you work on motu-tools during the week-end ?
[11:08] <siretart> lucas: uff, not much, no
[11:08] <lucas> ok
[11:11] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:12] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates is the best place to suggest future packages?
[11:15] <raphink> I think so, from what is written there
[11:19] <freeflying> how to get ride of this warning : executable-not-elf-or-script
[11:22] <Gloubiboulga> freeflying, if the file is a script, use the #! sequence at the top of it
[11:22] <freeflying> Gloubiboulga: it's just some .desktop files
[11:24] <Gloubiboulga> the .desktop file are not executable
[11:24] <Gloubiboulga> I think you have to change the file rights
[11:26] <freeflying> Gloubiboulga:how to disable it in rules
[11:27] <Gloubiboulga> What do you want to disable ?
[11:27] <freeflying> Gloubiboulga: plz have a look on this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=887
[11:33] <dholbach> BockBilbo: you don't need a .deb package there. you can simply suggest it, but if you want to package it on your own, you could read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU, that's where we upload (source) package for review
[11:34] <BockBilbo> i see
[11:34] <BockBilbo> thank dholbach
[11:34] <dholbach> de rien
[11:34] <dholbach> hey dredg
[11:35] <dredg> morning dholbach
[11:36] <siretart> freeflying: may I delete http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/skim/ now?
[11:37] <freeflying> siretart: ok
[11:37] <freeflying> thanks
[11:38] <siretart> freeflying: do you need your eva biniaries as well or may I delete them, too?
[11:38] <freeflying> siretart: plz del them all
[11:39] <siretart> done
[11:39] <freeflying> siretart: may you have a look of the lintian warning of skim
[11:39] <siretart> not now, I'm currently in class
[11:40] <siretart> lecture, whatever
[11:40] <freeflying> whenerer you have time
[11:54] <dholbach> what is universe-bugs@tiber.tauware.de?
[11:54] <crimsun> MOTUMerge
[11:54] <crimsun> we're assigning all merge bugs to it
[11:55] <dholbach> i see, why not use universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com?
[11:56] <crimsun> that's only MOTU last I checked
[11:56] <dholbach> ah right, some people might only want to get the mergers bugs
[11:57] <crimsun> morning, btw :)
[11:58] <dholbach> morning daniel :)
[12:10] <Madpilot> hi all
[12:11] <Madpilot> do bugs in Universe apps get reported to buzilla.u.c or launchpad/malone?
[12:11] <dholbach> malone
[12:11] <Madpilot> thanks - gLabels in 5.10 is still buggy - at least it's less buggy than in Hoary...
[12:12] <\sh> Madpilot: we're working on dapper now :) did you check if glabels was merged or synced for dapper?
[12:13] <dholbach> hm, i thought glabels made it into hoary-backports
[12:16] <Madpilot> I haven't checked packages.u.c yet - doing so now
[12:17] <Madpilot> OK - Dapper has 2.1.1 - latest release, according to the glabels homepage
[12:18] <Madpilot> someone running dapper could have a look at this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/glabels/+bug/1929/
[12:38] <crimsun> hmm, I take it that we should probably kill off the b-ds on libreadline4-dev, then, too
[01:20] <siretart> dholbach: because launchpad didn't allow that
[01:20] <dholbach> i see
[01:20] <siretart> dholbach: universe-bugs@tiber.tauware.de just forwards to universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:21] <siretart> dholbach: and I'd rather not use that ugly hack, but I didn't see any other option that time
[01:22] <dholbach> it's ok
[01:22] <dholbach> and it adds the benefit i mentioned
[01:24] <siretart> dholbach: any news about the malone transistion? I heard that the staging is going to go live today
[01:25] <dholbach> no, sorry
[01:25] <dholbach> and if we switch, it will be BIG news :)
[01:25] <dholbach> i mean   B I G   :)
[01:26] <siretart> :)
[01:26] <siretart> I can imagine
[01:27] <\sh> a bigger new it would be, if someone tells us "You can use soyuz now!"
[01:27] <\sh> news even
[01:40] <Gloubiboulga> could any MOTU have a look at a merge I've made whan he got time ?
[01:41] <Gloubiboulga> malone #4639
[02:38] <freeflying> Uploading via ftp skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu2.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of skim_1.4.3-0ubuntu2.dsc
[02:38] <siretart> can somebody give me packaging advice: upstream release a 1.0pre1 version, which leads towards version 1.0. How can I handle that version 1.0pre gets lower than 1.0?
[02:38] <siretart> and I'd like to avoid epoch if possible
[02:39] <Amaranth> call it 0.99.x?
[02:39] <jamessan|work> siretart: what was the previous version?
[02:39] <freeflying> siretart: I can not upload the source now
[02:39] <siretart> jamessan|work: 0.9.2
[02:39] <siretart> freeflying: why?
[02:40] <siretart> Amaranth: hmm. then it would become quite unobvious which version I'm actually packaging
[02:40] <jamessan|work> siretart: I'd package it as 0.9.2+1.0pre1 but you could also take Amaranth's approach
[02:40] <freeflying> I don't know . it give that there are already source here
[02:40] <siretart> freeflying: I delete the .dsc
[02:40] <siretart> freeflying: try again
[02:41] <freeflying> siretart: thanks
[02:41] <jamessan|work> iirc, the xorg stuff has done that (the .99) when packaging pre-releases
[02:42] <siretart> jamessan|work: but there are upstream as well
[02:42] <siretart> I'm not upstream
[02:42] <jamessan|work> ah, well then I'd take the +1.0pre1 approach
[02:43] <jamessan|work> it's ugly, but it works
[02:43] <siretart> yeah
[02:43] <Yagisan> I use the +1.0pre1 approach, it works rather well
[02:47] <siretart> well, this way, I would need to rename the orig.tar.gz.
[02:47] <siretart> not that bad, but not nice either
[02:49] <jamessan|work> well, you always have to rename it unless the upstream is nice and already names it package_version.orig.tar.gz
[02:49] <jamessan|work> the version is just slightly different now
[02:50] <siretart> jepp. This I find quite ugly. but considering the other options, this seems to be best
[02:54] <magnon> hey reinhardt
[02:54] <siretart> huhu magnon!
[02:55] <magnon> did you get my message the other day?
[02:56] <siretart> oh, I fear not, what was it?
[02:57] <magnon> I did a bunch of merging stuff
[02:57] <magnon> and then my laptop broke down. :(
[02:57] <siretart> fuck :(
[02:57] <siretart> magnon: if you have a merge done, dont forget to attach the debdiff to the malone bug
[02:57] <magnon> and since apple guarantees that I won't have the same data on the disk when I get it back, or something like that, I have to find a clever way to back it up
[03:02] <Nafallo> wow, that's a kind of loosy guarantee :-P
[03:02] <magnon> they're not saying those words exactly, but that's what they mean :P
[03:02] <siretart> well, they will reimage it with a diagnosis system for testing
[03:02] <Lathiat> !tv sg1
[03:02] <Lathiat> err
[03:03] <magnon> siretart: you think that, yeah? I doubt it :)
[03:03] <Lathiat> -EWIN
[03:03] <siretart> and then do a clean install of macos back, sure thing
[03:03] <magnon> oh
[03:03] <magnon> as in reimage. yes
[03:03] <Yagisan> magnon - you need a Philips head screwdriver, a 2.5" to 3.5" ide adapter, and a desktop pc to backup
[03:03] <magnon> Yagisan: warranty breaks if I open it that way, I believe
[03:04] <siretart> so you cannot replace your harddrive without loosing warranty?
[03:04] <siretart> weird
[03:04] <magnon> I'm not sure. I will check
[03:04] <Yagisan> magnon: Do you have a pc repair cert ? under my local law, I don't lose warranty if a qualified person opens the pc
[03:04] <siretart> at ibm, they told me to remove the hdd before sending it it, because they do respect my privacy :)
[03:04] <magnon> Yagisan: I'm pretty certain it says "Certified Apple Professional" ;)
[03:05] <Yagisan> magnon: "Certified Apple Professional" only is a breach of consumer law in Aus
[03:06] <Yagisan> it's like saying you lose your new car warranty if it isn't serviced by the dealer
[03:07] <Treenaks> Yagisan: you could probably say that you'd prefer it to be serviced by an authorised service-person
[03:07] <jamessan|work> siretart: once dak supports it, you could use 1.0~pre1
[03:08] <siretart> jamessan|work: ubuntu dak does support it, but not debian dak
[03:08] <siretart> jamessan|work: anyway, we will move to soyuz soon
[03:12] <Yagisan> Treenaks: I could, but I just like to point out it's a breach of the trade practices act, and if they want to be stubborn, I'll take my refund then
[04:04] <siretart> slomo_: around?
[05:06] <Fut21> does ubuntu-plf have a irc-channel
[05:06] <Seveas> not that I know of
[05:07] <Fut21> How can i get in contact with these folks
[05:07] <sivang> what is ubuntu-plf ?
[05:07] <Fut21> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf#useful_links
[05:08] <Fut21> sorry http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[05:09] <Fut21> I can not find the e-mail add to "MirSPCM"
[05:24] <bipolar> does anyone have up to date mysql packages? I need to use v5 for my new project.
[05:47] <Kyral> ow
[05:48] <Kyral> anyone else get X taken down by the latest updates to Dapper?
[05:53] <Kyral> On the upshot, I'm getting a crash course in Irssi
[05:54] <jamessan|work> that's a pretty good upshot  ;)
[05:55] <Kyral> yah, but X is dead in the water
[05:55] <Kyral> as is atd
[05:59] <Kyral> At least I get to learn how to do things without X
[06:06] <Kyral> how do I get it (irssi) to show a channel bar thing
[06:13] <Kyral> nm
[06:16] <siretart> Fut21: yes, they have an irc channel
[06:17] <siretart> Fut21: ask Mirno or Keyes, both are online from time to time
[06:22] <\sh> hey siretart
[06:23] <siretart> huhu \sh!
[06:23] <\sh> moins ogra :) hab ihr schon schnee?
[06:23] <Kyral> hey ogra, everyone
[06:23] <siretart> \sh: gestern hats bei uns geschneit ;)
[06:23] <siretart> [transl. we had snow yesterday] 
[06:28] <ajmitch> hi
[06:28] <Kyral> hey
[06:29] <\sh> siretart: lucky you are :) here it's raining and windy and cold
[06:30] <\sh> ogra: do you want to take part for the keysigning event on the 3rd, in Essen?
[06:30] <ogra> \sh, yup
[06:30] <siretart> but no time for a trip to essen :(
[06:31] <\sh> ogra: send me your details to sh@linux-server.org (long keyid, realname and fingerprint and list of UIDs :))
[06:36] <siretart> dholbach: around? any progress on ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c?
[06:37] <dholbach> siretart: i saw jdub for like 5 minutes today
[06:37] <dholbach> where he didnt respond
[06:37] <ogra> \sh, will do
[06:38] <\sh> ogra: nice :)
[06:38] <lucas> the easiest would be to get mailing lists for each launchpad team
[06:38] <lucas> (ie integrate this with launchpad)
[06:39] <Kyral> ogra, mind if I upload your signed key to the Servers (Remember we exchanged keys at Ubuntu Love)
[06:39] <siretart> dholbach: okay. Just wanted to note that my mailman setup on tauware.de is operational (I created 2 lists only today) ;)
[06:39] <dholbach> :)
[06:39] <dholbach> i'll mail jeff
[06:51] <ajmitch> oh I love packages that are uploaded with..
[06:51] <ajmitch>  * This package is probably broken (it will for example probably not
[06:51] <ajmitch>      build on dapper and it doesn't install cleanly on breezy).
[06:52] <siretart> ajmitch: and it FTBFS of course on dapper :)
[06:52] <siretart> ajmitch: seems to be a new trend: same for xserver-xorg :/
[06:56] <LaserJock> a package that I have on review has just had a new upstream release. I only need 1 more vote to get the old one in. Should I add the new version now or wait until I get the other vote?
[06:57] <ajmitch> either way you'll need 2 more votes
[06:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: good point
[07:03] <LaserJock> ajmitch: wait, if I upload a new version to REVU does that reset the vote count?
[07:04] <ajmitch> yes
[07:04] <ajmitch> so you upload the new upstream, get 2 votes on that
[07:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, got it
[07:08] <thierry> does anyone knows if we should send a patch to malone (and open a bug) when we want to fix a issue there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[07:08] <ajmitch> thierry: it would be good
[07:08] <thierry> k
[07:17] <thierry> at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile , could someone tell me how to make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/ . Additionally if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop.
[07:18] <thierry> where do I call dh_desktop first of all
[07:18] <thierry> and how do I make sure bla bla bla
[07:21] <ajmitch> 128Kbps up is painful
[07:24] <lucas> ajmitch: have you had time to make your motu scripts publicly available ?
[07:24] <lucas> have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools ?
[07:25] <ajmitch> yes, I have read that page
[07:25] <ajmitch> not much point having my scripts :)
[07:25] <thierry> could someone also tell me why some package have only a *.desktop.in instead of a .desktop
[07:26] <lucas> can you rephrase "not much point having my scripts :)" ? I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[07:27] <ajmitch> most of what my scripts do is in the existing bzr repository that others have done
[07:27] <ogra> lucas, ajmitch's scripts are available since breezy afaik ... but nobody looked at them, instead there were new tools developed ...
[07:27] <\sh> thierry: because they're changed via autotools...
[07:28] <ajmitch> ogra: no, siretart & \sh looked at them & wrote their own
[07:28] <ogra> ok
[07:28] <\sh> ajmitch: aehm
[07:28] <\sh> ajmitch: i never wrote those scripts as u did :)
[07:28] <\sh> ajmitch: we
[07:28] <thierry> \sh : ok, could you simply point me where to find how .desktop files are working in debian packages?
[07:28] <lucas> maybe we should think of a way to stop reinventing the wheel then ...
[07:28] <ajmitch> \sh: hm?
[07:28] <\sh> 're waiting that u r releasing them :)
[07:29] <ajmitch> \sh: and I was offline for awhile, so I couldn't do much in releasing them
[07:29] <\sh> thierry: depends on how they are installed...if you have a package with .desktop.in then it's normal, that upstream is doing some autotools magic with them
[07:29] <\sh> ajmitch: and now we are waiting for them :) there are no comparison scripts available right now in motu-tools afaik
[07:29] <\sh> thierry: and installing them via make install
[07:30] <ajmitch> \sh: I thought there were
[07:30] <ajmitch> \sh: and you have scripts to do rebuilds of a list of packages
[07:30] <lucas> \sh: there is mine
[07:30] <\sh> thierry: if there is no .desktop file at all, put it in the debian/ dir and install them in the install target of the debian/rules file
[07:30] <ajmitch> so there's no point behind my stuff, so they can die a quiet death as they deserve
[07:30] <thierry> \sh : well I want to work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[07:30] <\sh> siretart: hmmm...did I miss one merge?
[07:31] <\sh> siretart: of motu-tools?
[07:31] <slomo_> siretart: pong
[07:31] <lucas> dunno if my scripts were merged in sirestart's repos
[07:31] <lucas> \sh: see http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/duv-ruby.html
[07:31] <\sh> lucas: ah this ....
[07:31] <lucas> and http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motu-tools/ is my bzr repos
[07:31] <thierry> \sh : and what do I do if can't even find the command used to launch the program? like 3dchess package...
[07:32] <ajmitch> sigh, I just got maintenance of another package in debian
[07:32] <ajmitch> yay for me :P
[07:32] <\sh> thierry: hmmm...it must be written in the manpage or in the documenation how to start 3dchess
[07:32] <thierry> k...
[07:33] <\sh> thierry: normally all games are starting from /usr/games/
[07:34] <LaserJock> arrghh, I hate pbuilder >:(
[07:35] <ajmitch> pbuilder is wonderful ;)
[07:35] <ajmitch> it lets me build dapper packages on a sarge box ;)
[07:35] <at1as> 
[07:35] <raphink> :)
[07:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Well, it's a love-hate relationship right now
[07:35] <ajmitch> you love to hate it?
[07:35] <LaserJock> I can't get it to use more than one pbuilder set up
[07:36] <siretart> slomo_: I guess you read the mail, motumedia mailinglist is now running on mailman
[07:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I love what it can do. I hate that it doesn't seem to like me
[07:36] <slomo_> siretart: yes... perfect :)
[07:36] <siretart> slomo_: it is surpisingly easy to setup new maillinglists..
[07:37] <LaserJock> is there a general policy for mailing lists. I was thinking about getting one for MOTUScience but I'm not sure how to go about it
[07:39] <thierry> \sh : and what do I do to make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/
[07:39] <siretart> LaserJock: I didn't get the policy for official mainlinglists easy
[07:40] <siretart> LaserJock: I think there needs to be sufficient traffic for getting an official mailling list
[07:40] <siretart> LaserJock: if you want one on tauware, I can arrange something
[07:40] <\sh> thierry: u install them in the correct location manually (if upstream doesn't have one via autotools magic)...and make sure the .install or .files files are correct and install it as well
[07:41] <thierry> \sh : and what is autotools magic?
[07:41] <LaserJock> siretart: that would be great, I'm not sure yet how much traffic we would have.
[07:41] <\sh> thierry: if upstream has some .desktop.in stuff
[07:42] <siretart> LaserJock: what is your email adress and how do you want it to be called?
[07:42] <thierry> \sh : like I told you I'm working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile so there's no .desktop file
[07:42] <\sh> thierry: if they only have a .desktop in their upstream, u have to check where it's installed, if it's the incorrect location u have to move them to the correct locations manually, in the install target of debian/rules
[07:43] <thierry> I'm trying to create a .desktop file and to follow what's on this page
[07:43] <\sh> thierry: then u have to create one, put it in debian/ dir and install it manually in debian rules install target and make sure it's also in the .install or .files files from the debian/dir so it's packaged
[07:43] <LaserJock> siretart: mantha AT chem.unr.edu and ubuntu-science would be a good name
[07:45] <siretart> LaserJock: Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection: Please try later
[07:45] <siretart> LaserJock: your mail system does not accept mails from me
[07:46] <thierry> \sh : and how do I do to install it manually?
[07:46] <\sh> thierry: the normal stuff..$(INSTALL) or /usr/bin/install or cp
[07:46] <LaserJock> siretart: really, I don't think I've ever had that problem before
[07:47] <siretart> seems to be some sort of greylisting
[07:47] <LaserJock> siretart: can I give you another email address and change it later?
[07:48] <siretart> LaserJock: the mail is still queued, I think you will get the email with the link and password in some time
[07:48] <LaserJock> siretart: oh, ok. Thanks a ton.
[07:49] <siretart> a ton. woah :)
[07:50] <LaserJock> LaserJock: well, it really helps when people in different parts of the world with different schedules are trying to communicate. so yeah, I think a ton is appropriate ;-)
[07:50] <siretart> LaserJock: ah, now you should have mail
[07:50] <LaserJock> siretart: got it
[07:52] <herve> hello
[07:52] <siretart> LaserJock: okay. then you should be able to login at the admin interface and configure your list according to your needs
[07:52] <LaserJock> ok, so has anybody noticed that --configfile doesn't work in pbuilder?
[07:52] <LaserJock> siretart: thanks
[07:52] <slomo_> it works for me
[07:53] <LaserJock> slomo_: it only seems to work if the configfile is /etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc
[07:53] <LaserJock> slomo: which seems to me that it doesn't work
[07:53] <slomo_> LaserJock: my configs are ~/.pbuilder/{dapper,breezy,sid,experimental}
[07:54] <LaserJock> slomo_: really, that doesn't work for me. It just tries to do some default
[07:55] <LaserJock> slomo_: I tried moving ~/.pbuilder/dapper/pbuilderrc to ~/.pbuilderrc_dapper and it didn't work either
[07:55] <slomo> hmm
[07:55] <\sh> ktorrent is synced...so nobody is touching it please
[07:55] <LaserJock> slomo_: but if I moved ~/.pbuilderrc_dapper to ~/.pbuilderrc it worked
[07:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you don't use --configfile?
[07:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yes I do
[07:56] <ajmitch> :0:> cat /home/ajmitch/bin/dbuild
[07:56] <ajmitch> #!/bin/sh
[07:56] <ajmitch> sudo pbuilder build $PBOPT --configfile ~/debian/pbuilder/configs/dapper.pbuilderrc $@
[07:56] <ajmitch> that's the sort of setup I have
[07:56] <ajmitch> with separate base tarballs of course :)
[07:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right, which doesn't seem to work for me
[07:56] <ajmitch> worked for me all through breezy
[07:57] <LaserJock> man, it seems to be just me then. What the heck am I doing wrong?
[07:57] <ajmitch> phase of the moon
[07:57] <slomo> bad karma ;)
[07:58] <LaserJock> I guess, I have never been able to get multiple pbuilders to work
[07:58] <ajmitch> yay, debian uploads accepted with new key
[08:01] <LaserJock> lol, I figured it out. I was putting the --configfile before or after build *.dsc but it has to be between them
[08:02] <ajmitch> yep :)
[08:02] <ajmitch> why do you think I have a wrapper for it? ;)
[08:04] <LaserJock> no kidding
[08:13] <at1as> 
[08:20] <at1as> 
[08:24] <herve> hey ajmitch!
[08:28] <ajmitch> hello herve
[08:29] <ajmitch> how are you?
[08:30] <herve> fine, thanks
[08:30] <herve> how's life going on?
[08:31] <ajmitch> good :)
[08:31] <ajmitch> just at work now, another day.. :)
[08:33] <herve> I know the feeling :-)
[08:40] <ajmitch> yay, now I can upload to ubuntu
[08:40] <crimsun> ajmitch: rockin'
[08:43] <at1as> 
[08:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: I just sent you an email
[08:43] <Kyral> LaserJock: I dont have X atm
[08:44] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok, well thanks to siretart we now have a ubuntu-science mailing list
[08:44] <Kyral> okay
[08:44] <LaserJock> Kyral: have you heard anything from the FlowDesigner devs?
[08:46] <Kyral> Not yet
[08:49] <Kyral> what package has xargs...
[08:49] <ajmitch> findutils on breezy
[08:50] <ajmitch> which doesn't appear to have changed on dapper
[08:50] <Kyral> I dunno but somehow it broke on me
[08:51] <ajmitch> ok, it was synced from debian
[08:51] <Kyral> I think the reinstall I just did fixed it
[08:51] <Kyral> but I need to reboot to make sure
[08:53] <at1as> 
[08:54] <crimsun> at1as: (your [un] away notification is kinda grating)
[08:55] <Kyral> Yah I think I know what went wrong...my computer must have crashed in the middle of something getting configured
[08:55] <Kyral> Is there any logfile that I can look at to see what was being installed at that time?
[08:59] <dholbach> Kyral: you could try dpkg --configure -a
[08:59] <dholbach> and after that run     dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii    to see which packages are NOT fully installed
[09:00] <siretart> ajmitch: elmo just added my key, did you get an notification, too?
[09:02] <ajmitch> siretart: I got notification by irc
[09:02] <siretart> cool! :)
[09:03] <dholbach> :)
[09:03] <siretart> ajmitch: ubuntu only or debian, too?
[09:03] <dholbach> YAY! :)
[09:03] <ajmitch> both
[09:03] <siretart> cool!
[09:03] <ajmitch> he said he did debian last night
[09:03] <ajmitch> & I managed to upload a few packages
[09:04] <ajmitch> so I ought to be able to upload to debian, ubuntu (main|universe) now
[09:04] <dholbach> WOW
[09:04] <dholbach> hoorray for ajmitch and siretart :)
[09:04] <siretart> grats :)
[09:04] <siretart> err, thanks! :)
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> congratulations guys
[09:08] <at1as> 
[09:08] <herve> is there a vim expert?
[09:08] <herve> I want to search a character by its number
[09:10] <jamessan|work> herve: example?
[09:10] <herve> char 225
[09:10] <herve> in latin1
[09:10] <herve> lintian complains about a manpage
[09:10] <ajmitch> herve: docbook problem, slomo tells me ;)
[09:11] <jamessan|work> /<C-v>225
[09:11] <herve> there is no docbook source :-)
[09:11] <herve> thanks jamessan|work
[09:11] <herve> I wouldn't like to mistype a Spanish name on purpose :-)
[09:14] <Kyral> I'm getting a lot of these "is not an ELF file" things
[09:15] <ajmitch> sounds very very messed up
[09:15] <Kyral> no kiddin'
[09:16] <dholbach> hey herve
[09:17] <herve> yo dholbach
[09:17] <Kyral> I have no clue what it means either
[09:17] <dholbach> was just about to leave
[09:18] <\sh> siretart: ping
[09:19] <herve> someone knows about manpages and encoding?
[09:19] <herve> I'm disapointed it won't accept utf8 and not even full latin1
[09:19] <\sh> siretart: do u still know why u added to kq the libxxf86vm-dev to build depends in hoary?
[09:19] <\sh> herve: docbook2man is your friend? :)
[09:20] <herve> ok ok, I'll write a source manpage in docbook for the next upstream release :-)
[09:22] <\sh> hehe :)
[09:24] <tseng_> does anyone remember that thing where nvidia binary drivers are slower than plain X for 2d?
[09:25] <tseng_> and there was an option to go back to the standard 2d functions
[09:25] <ajmitch> RenderAccel ?
[09:25] <tseng_> no
[09:26] <herve> about the AGP driver, no?
[09:26] <tseng_> yes
[09:27] <Kyral> this is really wierd
[09:28] <Kyral> a bunch of files suddenly cannot be executed
[09:28] <lucas> like ?
[09:28] <Kyral> oh, gdm, fluxbox, atd
[09:28] <lucas> ah
[09:29] <Kyral> those are just the ones I have tried
[09:29] <Kyral> reinstalling the packages fixes them
[09:29] <Kyral> but its wierd
[09:29] <herve> what file system?
[09:29] <Kyral> ext3
[09:30] <lucas> can you explain "cannot be executed" ?
[09:30] <herve> so it just lost the executable bit?
[09:30] <Kyral> nope. I'm just telling you what te error says
[09:30] <herve> Kyral, you should reinstall them at once
[09:31] <Kyral> Yah, but I have no idea which package are affected
[09:31] <Kyral> s/packages/package
[09:31] <Kyral> at least until I try them
[09:31] <Kyral> wait a sec...maybe my errors from ldconfig and this are connected
[09:33] <xerxas> ho do I generate de dsc file ? (for use with pbuilder)
[09:34] <ajmitch> debuild -S
[09:34] <Nafallo> pdebuild :-)
[09:34] <Kyral> but how can I find out what libs belong to what package
[09:35] <xerxas> thanks
[09:35] <dholbach> Kyral: what information are you looking for exactly?
[09:35] <ajmitch> dlocate -S
[09:35] <xerxas> Nafallo, sorry for chan "cross posting"
[09:35] <Kyral> dholbach: which packages certain libs belong to
[09:35] <dholbach> does dlocate help?
[09:36] <dholbach> or    grep <name> /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[09:36] <Kyral> I didn't even know if its existance
[09:36] <dholbach> or http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[09:36] <Kyral> until now
[09:36] <dholbach> or apt-file :)
[09:36] <dholbach> hope one of them does the job
[09:37] <Kyral> dlocate it helping :D
[09:37] <Kyral> somehow the last update from Dapper did something really wierd to my system
[09:37] <jamessan|work> dpkg -S, too
[09:39] <Kyral> huzzah!
[09:39] <Kyral> its working!
[09:39] <dholbach> have a nice evening... i'm off
[09:47] <at1as> 
[09:48] <thesaltydog> ciao ogra !
[09:50] <Kyral> Lets see if this fixed things
[09:53] <herve> ouch
[09:53] <herve> full system failure
[09:56] <Kyral> Well, I got X back
[09:57] <Kyral> Now I just have to hunt down those other binaries
[09:59] <Kyral> But what connects them...
[09:59] <siretart> \sh: I'm currently at my 'stammtisch'
[10:00] <siretart> \sh: regarding kq, I think to fix a FTBFS
[10:00] <siretart> \sh: try building it withouth that builddep, if it succeeds, drop that dependency
[10:01] <Kyral> ...now Evolution segfaults
[10:01] <\sh> siretart: it's a sync then :) thx and party a lot :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> if I have both debian and ubuntu pbuilder's do I need to seperate the aptcache?
[10:05] <siretart> :)
[10:07] <azeem> LaserJock: btw, I rebuilt ghemical for breezy at 'deb http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-breezy/ ./'
[10:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's a good idea to keep debian & ubuntu apt caches separate
[10:08] <Gloubiboulga> I've just built the songwrite package using the debian sources in a dapper chroot, without a change
[10:08] <ajmitch> reduces the risk of strange bugs appearing when you don't expect it
[10:08] <Gloubiboulga> Just ask for a sync on malone ?
[10:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: thanks, that is what I thought but I didn't know for sure
[10:10] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: a sync should be fine, as the ubuntu changes were minimal :)
[10:10] <Gloubiboulga> very minimal :)
[10:11] <LaserJock> azeem: beautiful!  works like a charm
[10:12] <azeem> I've been fiddling with updating the underlying libraries to the new C++ allocator over the weekend, but did not finish
[10:13] <azeem> need to continue working on this paper now, should hopefully happen tomorrow
[10:13] <LaserJock> azeem: I wonder if it could get on the backport repo? When we get it in dapper I will make a request on the ubuntu forums
[10:14] <azeem> the ones to go in dapper will be harder to backport, as you'd need to rename the libraries back I guess
[10:15] <LaserJock> azeem: well, when the time comes maybe I can work on that ;-) It sure would be nice to have it for everybody in Breezy.
[10:16] <azeem> yeah
[10:21] <LaserJock> azeem: looks like backports would be a no go. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=492113&postcount=8
[10:22] <herve> ok, I've written my manpage with docbook -:)
[10:25] <azeem> LaserJock: oh, ok
[10:25] <Kyral> why is Evolution segfaulting
[10:27] <\sh> segfaulting?
[10:27] <\sh> or not responding?
[10:28] <Kyral> segfault
[10:28] <\sh> hmm
[10:28] <herve> its libraries may be affected
[10:28] <Kyral> which wouldn't be surprising givin the current state of my system
[10:28] <\sh> not here..
[10:29] <\sh> but I didn't update properly cause debtags is segfaulting here...happy new libstdc++ fun is starting somehow :)
[10:29] <Kyral> I wonder if compiling from scratch will fix this
[10:30] <\sh> wait until we're finished with rebuilding everything :)
[10:30] <\sh> ok..going to bed now....
[10:30] <\sh> i did enough for today..
[10:30] <ajmitch> night \sh
[10:30] <Kyral> I think I need to reinstall every package on my system
[10:31] <\sh> good night ajmitch and have a nice day down under :)
[10:34] <Kyral> Huzzah!
[10:34] <Kyral> I got it back!
[10:36] <Kyral> Best part about Linux
[10:36] <Kyral> you break something and as you fix it you learn a crapload :D
[10:43] <Gloubiboulga> bye
[10:50] <lucas> siretart: I've worked on motutools tonight
[10:50] <lucas> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools#preview
[10:50] <lucas> oops
[10:50] <lucas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools
[10:51] <lucas> I'd very much like some feedback/patches ;)
[10:52] <Pygi> ah :)
[11:02] <LaserJock> lucas, I noticed with your ruby example before you looked for binary packages and then got a list of the corresponding source packages. Is that because apt-rdepends only works on binary packages?
[11:03] <Kyral> LaserJock: I just checked my email
[11:03] <lucas> there's no "Depends" for source packages
[11:03] <Kyral> I haven't gotten a reply from the FlowDesigner devs
[11:03] <lucas> only build-dep
[11:03] <LaserJock> lucas: ah, that makes sense
[11:11] <LaserJock> lucas: the mts arguments seem awfully long (getpkglistfromreversedepends for instance)
[11:11] <lucas> well, this one is not implemented yet
[11:12] <lucas> it will probably be list_from_rdepends
[11:12] <LaserJock> lucas: but are you going to use flags ? that would make it a lot easier
[11:12] <lucas> and I'll add nicknames, I think
[11:12] <lucas> flags ?
[11:12] <LaserJock> lucas: well like -l or -n or something like that
[11:13] <lucas> well, the cmd line interface is simple :
[11:13] <lucas> mts [-v]  command [command's options] 
[11:13] <lucas> so the command's option might use flags
[11:13] <LaserJock> lucas: ok, makes sense
[11:14] <lucas> and the different commands are implemented in different scripts
[11:14] <lucas> so that one can write his own script without breaking the rest of them
[11:29] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[11:30] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:35] <sistpoty> slomo: did you come to testbuild ghc6?
[11:35] <slomo> sistpoty: ah yes... worked fine on amd64
[11:36] <sistpoty> phew... cool :)
[11:36] <sistpoty> thx
[11:36] <slomo> but it needs much memory
[11:36] <slomo> maybe it's really oom on the buildds
[11:36] <slomo> did you ask lamont/infinity?
[11:36] <sistpoty> not yet... was at my parents over the weekeng
[11:36] <sistpoty> weekend even
[11:37] <slomo> oh ok :) was it good?
[11:37] <sistpoty> yes :)
[11:37] <sistpoty> btw.: elmo added me to the keyring, yeehaaa!
[11:38] <slomo> hehe... congrats :)
[11:38] <sistpoty> thx
[11:38] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[11:41] <LaserJock> tritium: did you see the email I sent you? I wasn't sure about the address
[11:41] <tritium> LaserJock: yeah, about the mailing list?  Thanks.
[11:55] <LaserJock> ok, so bug day is on Thanksgiving? that's going to be hard to do
[11:56] <Pygi> true :/
[11:56] <Kyral> Screw that
[11:56] <Kyral> My grandma's cooking after 4 months of campus food
[11:57] <Kyral> I'm not gonna miss that for the world
[11:58] <LaserJock> Kyral: lol, college can do that to you