[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, after installing you have a .bz2 file?  Then yes.
[12:00] <LjL> Marlun: note that, if i'm right that step 3 is not needed, then xserver-xorg will be installed *anyway*, and doing step 3 will just result in a no-action
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, do this:  tar tvjf whatever.tar.bz2 | head
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, the t means "tell"
[12:00] <vbgunz> anybody know of an application that will send certain windows to the tray? I tried alltray but didn't like it much... is there anything else that wioll certain programs to the tray? Thunderbird, etc?
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, what that does is tell me what directory name it will use when you extract
[12:00] <sethk> nishiroyato, probably, each line will start with linux-2.6.12-9
[12:00] <Marlun> LjL: ah ok :) Well now I can play with it when I atleast now how to get this up and working.
[12:00] <simonvallore> root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:00] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:01] <simonvallore> how do i make it viewable without root
[12:01] <sethk> nishiroyato, if so, then do this:  cd /usr/src; tar xvjf whatever.tar.bz2
[12:01] <Marlun> LjL: thank you very much for taking your time to help me! :)
[12:01] <LjL> vbgunz: in KDE, i have this by default: i can edit the programs menu, and for a given program, click on a "leave in systray" checkbox... perhaps there's something like that in Gnome
[12:01] <LjL> Marlun: you're welcome
[12:01] <sethk> nishiroyato, probably you need sudo to write in /usr/src,
[12:01] <gfish> can i get sum help with a bittorrent client
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, it really doesn't matter what directory the source is in, but the convention is to put in in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-9, and you should follow the convention
[12:02] <nishiroyato> okay.  it did th tvjf and its going though a long list.  aftwards, sudo xvjf
[12:02] <yo2lux> what is the diference between ubuntu cd and dvd version?
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, I told you to do this:   tar xvjf whatever.tar.bz2 | head
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, the | head stops it after printing just a few lines
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, it doesn't hurt anything to print it all, but you don't have to wait
[12:02] <sethk> nishiroyato, you can also just control-c to stop it
[12:02] <n0dl> is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, then, yes, use xvjf to extract
[12:03] <yo2lux> The ubuntu DVD version have more software?
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, as I said, follow the convention about putting things in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-9; that way, when you ask a question, the answer you get will match where the files live on your machine
[12:03] <sethk> nishiroyato, which makes life easier.
[12:04] <nishiroyato> with where i'm at in linux, no need for me to get creative
[12:04] <brownie17> why do KDE apps take longer to run when you are in Gnome?
[12:04] <somerville32> Who knows
[12:04] <Madpilot> brownie17: because they're KDE apps running in Gnome?
[12:04] <_native_> isn't it obvious.
[12:05] <forsaker> hi guys..
[12:05] <brownie17> Madpilot, no it is not. i thought KDE was really just a different like toolbar and window system
[12:05] <forsaker> can i ask you in which repo i can find a packaged version of mplayer and w3dcodecs for breezy?
[12:05] <vbgunz> LjL: nope, not under Gnome :(
[12:05] <brownie17> "sexcopter8000" what a name.
[12:05] <nishiroyato> allright, all unpacked
[12:06] <gfish> does anyone know how to install torrentflux
[12:06] <nutter426> hiya
[12:06] <brownie17> so anyone here from the us?
[12:06] <nutter426> does the default installer for ubuntu 5.04 automatically set the root password?
[12:06] <yo2lux> what is the diference between ubuntu cd and dvd version?
[12:06] <brownie17> sorry. "U.S."?
[12:06] <brownie17> yo2lux, dvd comes with livecd built in, and a heap of other extras i think
[12:06] <yo2lux> thanks
[12:07] <brownie17> nutter426, nothing. you have to set it yourself i think
[12:07] <n0dl> is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:07] <somerville32> hehe
[12:07] <watnu> > is anyone here good with irssi?
[12:07] <_native_> brownie17; i'm sure many are from The U.S
[12:07] <forsaker> n0dl: if for good you mean "how to connect to a server" i am very goog :P
[12:07] <n0dl> wow
[12:07] <watnu> sorry :)
[12:07] <_native_> xchat is silly.
[12:07] <Madpilot> brownie17: KDE is an entirely different WM, different libraries and stuff
[12:07] <n0dl> wantu: are you good with irssi?
[12:07] <LjL> i'm very goog too
[12:07] <nutter426> well, i'm pretty new to linux, but thats what i expected, but i'm fairly sure it just went straight to asking me about users
[12:07] <brownie17> well who knows what episode you guys are up to in "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"?
[12:07] <gfish> does anyone know a decent torrent client
[12:08] <brownie17> Madpilot, wm?
[12:08] <LjL> Madpilot: KDE ain't a WM ;)
[12:08] <watnu> n0dl: average i think
[12:08] <_native_> gfish; uh bitorrent. ;p
[12:08] <nishiroyato> now with the source code for the kernel, i have to re-configure it and then re-make it?
[12:08] <gfish> can u help me install
[12:08] <LjL> nishiroyato: suppose so, and at the end you'll also have to add it to your Grub boot list
[12:08] <_native_> gfish; what bittorrent?
[12:08] <Madpilot> brownie17: meh, OK, you know what I mean - it's a different beast, right? That said, I use a fair number of KDE apps in Gnome too...
[12:09] <forsaker> so, nobody knows where can i find a repo containing mplayer, eh?
[12:09] <brownie17> Madpilot, ok.
[12:09] <nutter426> whats the best way to upgrade to 5.10?
[12:09] <brownie17> forsaker, i think it is universe
[12:09] <LjL> !info mplayer
[12:09] <forsaker> bratsche: an apt-cache search mplayer gives me no help
[12:09] <gfish> _native_, can u help me install bittorrent
[12:09] <LjL> !info mplayer-k7
[12:09] <_native_> gfish; if so just use your synaptic package manager and search for bittorrent.
[12:09] <ubotu> mplayer-k7: (transitional dummy package which can be safely removed), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu7 (breezy), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[12:09] <brownie17> nutter426, i would say through smart-upgrade in synaptic, because it doesn't just giv eup after reaching one problem. but it is much better if you have the CD added to synaptic as well. less downloading.
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help with installing libdvdcss for breezy
[12:10] <redondos> I need to try more ID3 tag editors. Suggestions?
[12:10] <forsaker> uhm... well i'll double check it
[12:10] <nishiroyato> there is an editing program?  and what would i turn on to i can make ubuntu packages and see an OSX hard disk?
[12:10] <shadeofgrey> libdvdcss2 DOESNT work with breezy at all
[12:10] <brownie17> nutter426, and then of course, you don't lose all your settings adn crap from hoary
[12:10] <forsaker> thanks a lot guyz
[12:10] <LjL> forsaker: multiverse
[12:10] <_native_> gfish; Sytem-> administration-> synaptic
[12:10] <gfish> should i use bit torrent or bit tornado gui
[12:11] <_native_> you probably want the GUI client
[12:11] <brownie17> shadeofgrey, doesn't work? in what way? it just refuses to decode dvds? does it give an error?
[12:11] <forsaker> LjL: multiverse lines in sources.list are uncommented, but i can't find it... but most probably is just a stupid error. i'll check again
[12:11] <brownie17> gfish, personal preference
[12:11] <forsaker> thank you anyway
[12:11] <nutter426> i'll wait til the CD arrives then
[12:11] <nutter426> still struggling with the root password tho
[12:12] <shadeofgrey> brownie17:  Totem acts like its not even there when you use libdvdcss2 -- theres another one for breezy thats just called libdvdcss but i havent the foggiest idea what repository to get it from
[12:12] <_native_> nutter426; why?
[12:12] <brownie17> forsaker, there is a source-o-matic thing that will hlep you make your own sources list, with all the goodies and stuff, want a link?
[12:12] <hawking> I am connected to a windows machine through ethernet...what should i do to get files from it?
[12:12] <forsaker> brownie17: why not ;)
[12:12] <hawking> or see his harddisk
[12:12] <forsaker> hawking: samba
[12:13] <redondos> I need a decent ID3 tag editor. Any suggestions?
[12:13] <brownie17> hawking, two ways, both open messenger and file transfer, it will send over ethernet, not internet. goto "places", "network servers"
[12:13] <redondos> sorry for repeating, It wasn't my intention.
[12:13] <forsaker> redondos: easyTAG
[12:13] <redondos> tried it, doesn't fit my needs. thanks though.
[12:13] <hawking> forsaker: hm so should i just apt-get samba or is any other configuration required?
[12:13] <dino`> how do i install VLC on ubuntu?
[12:14] <LjL> forsaker: "sudo apt-get update"
[12:14] <brownie17> redondos, do you use rhythmbox? there is an experimental version of that that supports tag editing
[12:14] <forsaker> hawking: i think samba is pre-installed on ubuntu.. so try following brownie17 suggestion
[12:14] <shadeofgrey> doles anybody haver any idea where to get the breezy version of libdvdcss
[12:14] <LjL> forsaker: also, there is no package named "mplayer", instead, do an "apt-cache search mplayer"
[12:14] <brownie17> redondos, beggars can't be choosers though. try searching synaptic for mp3 tag editing or something
[12:14] <dino`> so no one knows how to install VLC?
[12:15] <redondos> brownie17: I'm looking for something that's not in the Ubuntu repositories, since I've tried them all.
[12:15] <shadeofgrey> i wanna say that its on marriat or whatever its called
[12:15] <forsaker> LjL: [00:09]  forsaker bratsche: an apt-cache search mplayer gives me no help
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, samba is not pre-installed
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, i checked
[12:15] <forsaker> brownie17: i was just guessing since i'm not using ubuntu right now
[12:15] <hawking> forsaker: well when I go to places---> network servers I see a windows network but in it there is only a desktop configuration file... I can neither see his harddisk or any other files
[12:15] <brownie17> forsaker, ok. no worries
[12:16] <brownie17> anyone here watch CSI ?
[12:16] <LjL> forsaker: well it *is* in breezy's multiverse, i can assure you... be sure the relevant line is uncommented, be sure you've done a "sudo apt-get update", and you should have it. if you don't, something's broken...
[12:16] <theblue> Hi all.
[12:16] <dino`> brownie17, i had some eps before i installed(formatted) ubuntu
[12:16] <gfish> thanks for the help
[12:16] <brownie17> hawking, i think that means his files are not "shared" tell him to put them into his "shared folder". that might work
[12:16] <forsaker> LjL: i trust you for sure... i just sai *I* was doing something wrong
[12:16] <LjL> forsaker: and don't use the U.S. mirrors, they say they're broken
[12:17] <hawking> brownie17 : we are sure they are all shared
[12:17] <brownie17> dino`, sorry? "eps"? im not following
[12:17] <dino`> episodes
[12:17] <forsaker> *say
[12:17] <LjL> forsaker: paste your sources.list on the pastebin please, if you can't get it to install
[12:17] <simonvallore> how do i allow users other than root to access a file
[12:17] <brownie17> hawking, ill take your work that it is true, but i think they can be "shared" and put in the "shared folder" are you sure there are files in his shared folder?
[12:18] <LjL> simonvallore: "man chmod", "man chown"
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, ahh CSI. excellent. where are you from?
[12:18] <LjL> simonvallore: be careful with them
[12:18] <simonvallore> ljl
[12:18] <dino`> brownie17, norway
[12:18] <Madpilot> simonvallore: use "sudo"
[12:18] <simonvallore> LjL, i treid to chmod it
[12:18] <Madpilot> !tell simonvallore about sudo
[12:18] <gfish> how do i find my ip adress to open ports in router
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, im from Australia, and last night, the episode "grave danger" guest directing quentin tarantino was on
[12:18] <simonvallore> Madpilot, i was root lol
[12:18] <hawking> brownie17: I see a folder written smb on it and I can't open it ... does that mean the files aren't shared?
[12:18] <forsaker> LjL: thank you, but the problem is more complex then this: i was trying to install mplayer through ssh on a friend's ubuntu system. but now this friend has disconnexted. Thank you again anyway.
[12:18] <nutter426> is there a beginners guide to unbuntu anywhere? or do i have to annoy you all by asking all the same questions?
[12:18] <dino`> brownie17: cool;)
[12:18] <brownie17> dino`, it was great. but "to be continued" i am trying to download the next episode now.
[12:18] <nutter426> i watch CSI
[12:18] <nutter426> my gf just bought the series 1 miami box-sets
[12:19] <forsaker> LjL: I'll come back when he will be on-line again
[12:19] <LjL> forsaker: i see. hold on, i'll paste my sources.list
[12:19] <dino`> brownie17: where do you download from?
[12:19] <LjL> forsaker: that must work
[12:19] <brownie17> dino`, does it screen on your free-to-air tv in norway?
[12:19] <forsaker> ok LjL thanks
[12:19] <brownie17> dino`, limewire. i'd use bittorrent, but i have a hardware NAT in my modem, which i cannot turn off or port forward thanks to a manufacturing problem.
[12:19] <xsje> !java
[12:19] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:20] <simonvallore> LjL,  root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:20] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4815
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: note that those are all italian mirrors. they might be slow for you, but at least they would work
[12:20] <forsaker> LjL: got it.
[12:20] <forsaker> LjL: i'm italian too :)
[12:20] <LjL> forsaker: oh, then nevermind =)
[12:20] <IOU|Laptop> anyone have any clue what alsa-space: xrun of at least 2079.930 msecs. resetting stream means?
[12:20] <simonvallore> LjL,  root@ubuntu:/home/simonvallore/Desktop# chmod 777 Storage
[12:21] <simonvallore> chmod: changing permissions of `Storage': Read-only file system
[12:21] <xsje> !javadebs
[12:21] <ubotu> it has been said that javadebs is at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[12:21] <brownie17> IOU|Laptop, something you copied from Mplayer?
[12:21] <somerville32> !java
[12:21] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[12:21] <LjL> simonvallore: that *should* definitely make the file world-writable
[12:21] <IOU|Laptop> yes, while playing an mp3, all applications seem to crash while playing mp3's
[12:21] <simonvallore> LjL,  i relize this
[12:21] <simonvallore> lol
[12:21] <LjL> simonvallore: what does "ls -l file" tell you about it?
[12:22] <gfish> does anyone know how i can find my ip adress
[12:22] <yatesy> ifconfig
[12:22] <simonvallore> LjL,  dr-x------  1 root         root         81920 2005-11-19 09:20 Storage
[12:23] <gfish> ifconfig in where terminal
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: uh...
[12:23] <_native_> watson!!
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: oh, sorry, i missed the "read-only file system" thing!
[12:23] <LjL> simonvallore: are you in single-user mode or something?
[12:24] <Stormx2> !art
[12:24] <ubotu> I heard art is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityArtwork
[12:24] <LjL> simonvallore: i suppose so?
[12:24] <simonvallore> yeah
[12:24] <simonvallore> LjL,  im t he only user
[12:24] <Hentai^XP> Stormx2 guessing you like ubuntu
[12:24] <SpaceCake> got a small issue with dialup, I cant run network-admin from the menu like a normal user (passwd wrong), but lunching from a root console is a no problem. Ideas ?
[12:24] <LjL> simonvallore: i don't mean that, i mean if you actually started the system in a single-user mode (or recovery mode, or whatever it's called in ubuntu, or if you passed init=/bin/sh to the kernel)
[12:25] <simonvallore> uhh
[12:25] <simonvallore> no
[12:25] <gfish> can i please get help finding ip adress out
[12:25] <simonvallore> im in regular mode
[12:25] <IOU|Laptop> there, xmms just crashed again
[12:25] <SpaceCake> As I am trying to migrate familie to Ubuntu, with'out sorting this out its a problem
[12:25] <LjL> simonvallore: what happens if you try to create a file in /home/simonvallore/Desktop, say by doing "touch testfile"?
[12:25] <forsaker> gfish: as yatesy said: ifconfig
[12:26] <simonvallore> it creats it
[12:26] <simonvallore> hence thats how i created that one
[12:26] <simonvallore> to mount my drive to
[12:26] <SpaceCake> Can teach to get to  terminal, su, lunch netadmin and just then connect. it should be easier :)
[12:26] <gfish> forsaker. in the terminal
[12:26] <LjL> simonvallore: oooh i see... is that an NTFS filesystem you mounted on it?
[12:26] <simonvallore> LjL, yeah
[12:27] <forsaker> yep gfish but you must be root i think...
[12:27] <forsaker> gfish: err... sudo
[12:27] <IOU|Laptop> could these crashes have something to do with ALSA?
[12:27] <LjL> simonvallore: in that case, you need to pass mount options, i think, because the mount will override the "normal" permissions of the folder
[12:27] <LjL> !ntfs
[12:27] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:27] <SpaceCake> I guess nobody its using a old modem anymore
[12:27] <gfish> so its sudo ifconfig
[12:27] <IOU|Laptop> gfish: yes
[12:28] <redguy> gfish: either that or /sbin/ifconfig
[12:28] <port7> who's idea was it to do run the ltsp-server though a ssh tunnel?
[12:28] <simonvallore> LjL,  that doesnt help me with the permissions issue lol
[12:28] <LjL> simonvallore: it does
[12:28] <LjL> simonvallore: look at the "Editing Ubuntu's filesystem table" paragraph
[12:28] <smo> simonvallore: the permissions are a mount option .. so that's where you want to be reading
[12:28] <gfish> thanks
[12:29] <LjL> simonvallore: it tells you what options to pass to mount in order to make it accessible to either all users, or the user who installed the system
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> damnit
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> now im frustrated
[12:29] <brownie17> ok everyone, GTG dino` might need a bit more help downloading VLC, someone give him a hand.
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> libdvdcss2 DOESNT work on breezy
[12:29] <forsaker> LjL: to mount ntfs file systems with write permissions, doesn't he have to enable a particular, testing, kernel option?
[12:29] <shadeofgrey> and i cant find the breezy version ANYWHERE
[12:30] <simonvallore> LjL, Thank you
[12:30] <LjL> forsaker: no, he simply *SHOULD NOT* write to an NTFS filesystem. but i think that, for now, he's simply trying to access it as a non-root user
[12:30] <LjL> simonvallore: note this, though, DO NOT attempt to write to an NTFS filesystem
[12:30] <SpaceCake> hmm.. my usb disk with ntfs, mount immidietly like rw
[12:30] <redguy> shadeofgrey: not true
[12:30] <forsaker> oh ok.. i shoud have read all his question :D
[12:30] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: sure about that? it's often fat32 that USB's are mounted as
[12:30] <shadeofgrey> redguy: well then obviously i missed something because ive installed it and removed it 5 timesand it wont work
[12:31] <LjL> forsaker: no, well, it was worth noting anyway
[12:31] <mrtwister> hello... i need mysql5, how i can get it in breezy? debian package?
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> totem says "your trying to watch encrypted DVD's without libdvdcss!"
[12:31] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee, I am sure, did a look at the mount output :(
[12:31] <simonvallore> LjL, how do i go three diretories back cd ......\
[12:31] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  so what do i do?
[12:31] <LjL> simonvallore: cd ..\..\.. ;)
[12:31] <eternalist> LjL: im trying to get my radeon 9550 with 3d graphics acceleration
[12:31] <forsaker> ok. thing to go sleeping. good night everyone. see you
[12:31] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee,  and anyway, external hard is 120mb ntfs, 100% sure
[12:31] <simonvallore> nice
[12:31] <forsaker> s/thing/time
[12:31] <eternalist> LjL: i rebooted after following the ubuntu instructions, and X doesnt show up.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: and you write to your external hard drive?  or just read it?
[12:32] <LjL> simonvallore: err, of course with slashes, not backslashes ;)
[12:32] <LjL> simonvallore: though i usually just do "cd .." three times anyway
[12:32] <somerville32> How I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:32] <SpaceCake> Hobbsee, no way I will write to it !! just read
[12:32] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  any guidance you can give would be great.  im lost
[12:32] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: I've seen something similar - a NTFS drive was reportedly mounted rw but in fact was ro. Do not ask me why :-)
[12:32] <LjL> eternalist: are you kidding me now?
[12:32] <redguy> shadeofgrey: read /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian
[12:32] <eternalist> LjL: no.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> SpaceCake: oh good!  i thougth you were intending to write to it!
[12:33] <gfish> thanks guys
[12:33] <SpaceCake> but, to be sure.. manual edit of fstab did the trick :)
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: im talking thru just a virtual console
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: irssi :)
[12:33] <LjL> eternalist: weren't you the one telling me i should not quibble about graphics card support? :-P anyway, i have no ATI, and no idea...
[12:33] <eternalist> LjL: i know but, some dude on here told me itd take 5 mins to setup
[12:33] <cribeiro> As for writing to NTFS mounts... in myh own experience it works fine. It's not guaranteed because it may spetacularly fail if you do something worng (such as turning off withou unmounting)
[12:33] <eternalist> FliesLikeABrick:
[12:33] <eternalist> i believe it was
[12:33] <SpaceCake> sori, anybody using a simple modem dialup connection here?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  I DID use that script to install it and it didnt woirk at all
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !dialup
[12:34] <ubotu> well, dialup is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DialupModemHowto
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  it gave me the same damn error
[12:34] <redguy> shadeofgrey: Erm, so you managed to install it? My mistake then, thought you were looking for it and could't find it. Maybe you want regionset?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !tell SpaceCake about dialup
[12:34] <redondos> What is available in the repositories for extracting Ace compressed files?
[12:34] <theblue> !dialup
[12:34] <somerville32> How I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:34] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  i never had to use that before
[12:34] <SpaceCake> so it
[12:34] <LjL> cribeiro: have a look at ntfstools too. anyway, writing to an NTFS volume is not something i'd ever advice
[12:34] <somerville32> *How do I uninstall the java that comes with Ubuntu?
[12:34] <theblue> I am offended by dialup!
[12:35] <saik0> ubuntu comes with Java??
[12:35] <somerville32> Yes
[12:35] <redguy> shadeofgrey: sorry, can't help you then...
[12:35] <somerville32> the GNU runtime environment
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  look - there are 2 versionas of libdvdcss : one for breezy which is just libdvdcss and one for pre breezy called libdvdcss2
[12:35] <gfish> hmm
[12:35] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  i need to know where to getthe second one.
[12:35] <cribeiro> LjL: Well, I reckon there are good reasons... but in my case I had to do it. I never had a problem at all with many tools: ntfsresize, captive, etc...
[12:35] <gfish> i opened the ports for bittornado in my router
[12:35] <gfish> do i have to open them somewhere in ubuntu
[12:35] <SpaceCake> theblue, I got 3km from me the clossest dsl line
[12:36] <LjL> eternalist: well, i dunno really, in any case... for the moment, to get X back running, you could probably just put "vesa" in xorg.conf instead of "ati", or similar
[12:36] <shadeofgrey> redguy:  do you know the name of the marrialat or whatever repo?  i think thats where i got it last time...
[12:36] <oskude> gfish, i dont thin ubuntu has a firewall as default...
[12:36] <LjL> cribeiro: it's not something i'd *advice* doesn't mean it's not something i'd *do* ;-)
[12:36] <theblue> SpaceCake: Ouch.
[12:36] <cribeiro> gfish: I assume that you not only opened, but redirected the ports in the router.
[12:36] <unfito> hello
[12:36] <gfish> yeah
[12:36] <unfito> does anyone use notemeister?
[12:36] <sethk> oskude, it doesn't have a firewall at all.  It has an IP filter.
[12:37] <gfish> criberio, i did what i used to do in windows
[12:37] <mrtwister> hello... i need mysql5, how i can get it in breezy? debian package?
[12:37] <redguy> shadeofgrey:no, sorry
[12:37] <cribeiro> gfish: which port does it use?
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, yeah, most of the "routers" dont have firewall atall, just a NAT...
[12:37] <sethk> oskude, absolutely
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, but they call it firewall
[12:37] <sethk> oskude, yes, I know, and I hate that
[12:37] <gfish> criberio, thanks for the help it works now
[12:37] <oskude> sethk, ok :)
[12:38] <ZeroDni> hey i was wondering if anyone here good with apache2 runing on breezy im trying to diable directory listings using the -indexes command in my httpd.conf but it seems not to work
[12:38] <oskude> sethk, but ubuntu (ASFAIK) doesn have any firewall or so to prevent port to be used...
[12:38] <sethk> oskude, on the default install, I believe you are correct
[12:38] <oskude> sethk, in default installation that is...
[12:38] <cribeiro> gfish: well, I dont know what did I say that was helpful to you :-) but if it works it's fine
[12:38] <saik0> By default ubuntu is'nt listening on any ports
[12:39] <oskude> saik0, well, i get some ports with nmap on standard installation, so "ubuntu" is listening :)
[12:39] <ZeroDni> if you need to work with your firewall in ubuntu firestarter can configure what port you need easy to use gui
[12:40] <simonvallore> How can i make fire Starter Atuo Start ?
[12:40] <simonvallore> Auto*
[12:40] <Hobbsee> simonvallore: it will automatically
[12:40] <simonvallore> No it doesnt
[12:40] <saik0> oskude, running nmap locally, on the same subnet, or on a different network?
[12:40] <ZeroDni> when you install it it should be added to your init.d
[12:40] <simonvallore> i have to be root to run it
[12:40] <simonvallore> lol
[12:40] <ZeroDni> the gui but not the service
[12:40] <Hobbsee> simonvallore: tried hitting ctrl+alt+f8 while booting, and watching the scrolling black text?  seen if it's on there?
[12:41] <oskude> simonvallore, scnr, you just but your prodigy audio cd in your drive and firestarter starts :)
[12:41] <oskude> saik0, nmap localhost
[12:41] <ZeroDni> lol
[12:41] <gfish> cribeiro, i just noticed the light was green after re-checking the router ports
[12:41] <ZeroDni> good one oskude
[12:41] <simonvallore> I see now
[12:41] <n0dl> Does anyone know what SDL is?
[12:41] <gfish> im loving linux now
[12:41] <oskude> ZeroDni, :)
[12:41] <ptlo> n0dl, yes
[12:42] <simonvallore> Does anyone know how to install dvd rip
[12:42] <oskude> n0dl, Simple Direct Layer (or so)
[12:42] <ZeroDni> is sdl is Simple DirectMedia Layer
[12:42] <n0dl> do you know what the package is? i need v 1.2
[12:42] <n0dl> configure: error: SDL >= 1.2.0 is required
[12:42] <gfish> is there a program to convert avi to dvd within linux
[12:42] <ptlo> n0dl, libsdl1.2-dev
[12:43] <ZeroDni> let me gus trying to install rom emulators
[12:43] <n0dl> oo thats what i typed wrong
[12:43] <EdLin> n0dl, are you sure what you're compiling isn't in universe?
[12:44] <gfish> can u emulate roms within linux
[12:44] <gfish> if so that is soo cool
[12:44] <gfish> i dont even have my gfx card installed
[12:44] <ZeroDni> btw have you guys heard about monad
[12:44] <saik0> oskude, what did you find, because I'm almost certain that ubuntu is not listening on any ports after a fresh desktop install. Anything that is is probably bound to 127.0.0.1
[12:44] <gfish> nope
[12:44] <gfish> ZeroDni, nope
[12:44] <ZeroDni> yeah just like windows you just need the programs
[12:44] <ZeroDni> the mircosof command line for vista
[12:45] <ZeroDni> it has all the shell commands from unux and linux
[12:45] <simonvallore> I LOVE THIS LINUX ITS SET UP BETTER THEN MY WINDOWS
[12:45] <EdLin> ZeroDni, it's Microsoft's new viral vector, and it won't be in the non-server versions of Vista because of that.
[12:45] <ZeroDni> its such a rip off
[12:45] <n0dl> what about vista?
[12:45] <oskude> saik0, ubuntu doesnt listen anything, its the services that does it...
[12:45] <n0dl> viruses insecurity and all that jazz
[12:45] <SpaceCake> mb ram and gb hdd :)
[12:45] <saik0> oskude, you know what I meant
[12:46] <ZeroDni> i was talking about the server version :)
[12:46] <ZeroDni> they are like 30 years tolate lol
[12:46] <gfish> i bet windows vista has some major bugs
[12:46] <ZeroDni> they are just trying to copy linux
[12:46] <oskude> saik0, yeah, but there are ports to find with "namp localhost" after standard install...
[12:46] <Hentai^XP> may
[12:46] <saik0> gfish: all software has bugs
[12:47] <ecobuntu> has vista been released?
[12:47] <Hentai^XP> no
[12:47] <n0dl> dont you know vista already has a monitor problem
[12:47] <saik0> oskude, pretty sure they are only listening locally, try doing it from another box
[12:47] <n0dl> they were trying to display it at ces then it had a BLACK SCREEN OF DEATH!
[12:47] <n0dl> just like the Xbox 360 in walmart
[12:47] <ZeroDni> na there was just the dill hole giving a leture on open source ocording to microsoft saying widnwos is more secure
[12:47] <oskude> saik0, yup
[12:47] <n0dl> buch of crapshat
[12:47] <ZeroDni> and showing off monad like is something new
[12:48] <n0dl> pfft
[12:48] <saik0> oskude, well then I guess I was wrong
[12:48] <ZeroDni> you can even do ls in monad
[12:48] <ecobuntu> how long has it been since windows released an OS?
[12:48] <Hentai^XP> yep
[12:48] <n0dl> whats monad?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ecobuntu: since 2001
[12:48] <Hentai^XP> 2k3
[12:48] <saik0> Windows server 2003
[12:48] <ZeroDni> if you guys like i have give you the link to the webcast
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:48] <oskude> saik0, no, your right. theres no port listening external on a standard installation
[12:49] <ecobuntu> windows is a POS
[12:49] <n0dl> no kidding
[12:49] <n0dl> whats monad?
[12:49] <EdLin> anyone who actually *wants* to use Windows as a server is a PHB
[12:49] <oskude> saik0, forgot that debian installs ssh as standard :)
[12:49] <Hentai^XP> so who is running windows?
[12:49] <oskude> saik0, and not ubuntu..
[12:49] <EnglishStan> Hello.... Need help with Internet conectivity
[12:49] <Hentai^XP> EdLin used Edlin before?
[12:49] <saik0> oskude, thought so, which is why it's justifiable not to ship with a firewall
[12:49] <n0dl> is monad a windows wack at opensource?
[12:50] <stpere> Hentai^XP, we are using pirated copies of Windows Server 2003 at school :-(
[12:50] <ecobuntu> ask away Stan
[12:50] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, yes. It's been a long time ago. ;-)
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> n0dl no
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> lol
[12:50] <oskude> saik0, yeah, when you dont have nothing running on a port, no need for a firewall...
[12:50] <stpere> Hentai^XP, in our Server installation course
[12:50] <ZeroDni> no just to to the linux command line like they can do pipes and stuff now
[12:50] <Hentai^XP> edlin is still in windows CMD
[12:50] <EnglishStan> I can ping all computers on my network, and ping website, but i get an error when tryinmg the access tye web.
[12:50] <EnglishStan> it worked at one time.....
[12:50] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, I wouldn't know, I don't have a Windows partition
[12:50] <EnglishStan> I'm a linux n00b, just installed today
[12:50] <ZeroDni> mms://a2.v14853b.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/2/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83ba01888b7fc2c5c8fc3/0058_w.asf
[12:50] <ZeroDni> that is the link
[12:51] <EdLin> Hentai^XP, though I do help people with their Windows problems
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: click network under settings -> administration
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: enter your password
[12:51] <ZeroDni> you can open it directly using vlc
[12:51] <ecobuntu> EnglishStan: make sure your connection is activated and configured :)
[12:51] <Hentai^XP> MSH E:\Documents and Settings\Justin.AMD1GHZ> edlin
[12:51] <Hentai^XP> MSH E:\Documents and Settings\Justin.AMD1GHZ> File name must be specified
[12:52] <saik0> oskude, exactly, much better standard installation than that _other_ OS
[12:52] <ecobuntu>  i have a shitty windows partition just for using my webcam to chat with on AIM
[12:52] <saik0> and several other distros
[12:52] <Iam8up> doesn't gaim support webcams?
[12:52] <EnglishStan> ecobuntu...it is active and configured properly (ithink)
[12:52] <Hentai^XP> suggestions for people running windows
[12:52] <oskude> saik0, psst, dont pick on debian, its the "father" :)
[12:52] <Hentai^XP> run as limited user
[12:52] <saik0> oskude, i run debian on all my servers
[12:52] <Blejdfizt> i'm having a brain block here.. what is the name of that mms-stream ripper?
[12:52] <n0dl> Ph34r it like mama's fried chicken
[12:53] <oskude> saik0, yeah, my usage is too, debian = server, ubuntu = desktop/notebook
[12:53] <EnglishStan> hello!!
[12:53] <saik0> oskude, that is exactly what I do
[12:53] <sethk> server=slackwarre, desktop/notebook=ubuntu
[12:54] <WildPenguin> EnglishStan, what is in /etc/reslov.conf?
[12:54] <oskude> saik0, debian is like a dream for server, but on desktop... (no autoconfig, long updates...)
[12:54] <saik0> oskude, i use my ubuntu notebook to ssh into all my debian servers (no displays)
[12:54] <EnglishStan> i tried to open that and nothing happened
[12:54] <ecobuntu> Yup I think WildPenguin is on to something :)
[12:54] <ZeroDni> sokude ubuntu i find works just as well for servers i run all my servers on ubuntu with just a few config change like geting back root account
[12:54] <calamari> hi
[12:54] <nytryx|Ibook> anyone have [linner] 's email?
[12:54] <oskude> saik0, long live console :)
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> ZeroDni,  :P shame.. Lol.
[12:54] <ZeroDni> i use ubuntu for more hardware supoort out of the box
[12:54] <calamari> I need help with ubuntu... I think I may have a virus
[12:54] <ulaas> server ubuntu , desktop ubuntu, fridge ubuntu, tv ubuntu, adslmodem ubuntu, car ubuntu .......
[12:54] <ecobuntu> calamari: why?
[12:55] <oskude> ZeroDni, and in 6months you have to update ? doh
[12:55] <nytryx|Ibook> Zerodni try suse
[12:55] <Hentai^XP> Anyone have a link to that virus or trojan that used MSH to infect vista?
[12:55] <ZeroDni> i just finshed chaning all 9 of my debain box to ubutnu
[12:55] <somerville32> I find Ubuntu too slow :(
[12:55] <calamari> ecobuntu: my mouse pointer freezes up with the hard drive light on and I cannot find a cause
[12:55] <ecobuntu> calamari: probably a bug not a virus
[12:55] <oskude> ZeroDni, the only issue for me to not have ubuntu as server is the upgrade policy...
[12:55] <calamari> ecobuntu: it just did it twice in a row and I checked top with no usage
[12:56] <ZeroDni> the last upgrade went smoth for me
[12:56] <ulaas> calamari, disable cpu speed stuff
[12:56] <EdLin> somerville32, maybe you should install a lighter-weight WM, like XFCE4 or even lighter-weight stuff if that's still too bloated
[12:56] <saik0> ZeroDni, I run debian stable in most cases. ubuntu is based on (was it unstable or testing?...)
[12:56] <calamari> ecobuntu: so I figure that ubuntu is doing something behind my back or I have a virus
[12:56] <oskude> ZeroDni, you dont just dist-upgrade on a REAL server !
[12:56] <Xenguy> somerville32: if you have old hardware, an alternative to GNOME (like XFCE4) can help
[12:56] <ecobuntu> calamari: try ulaas's advice
[12:56] <calamari> ulaas: I'm not familiar with that
[12:56] <n0dl> how do i unzip files using the terminal?
[12:56] <saik0> n0dl: man unzip
[12:56] <ecobuntu> n0dl: unzip package
[12:56] <oskude> n0dl, unzip <filename>
[12:56] <EdLin> Xenguy, GMTA
[12:57] <n0dl> ok cool
[12:57] <nytryx|Ibook> tar
[12:57] <somerville32> Xenguy & EdLin: I'm using Xfce4
[12:57] <ZeroDni> did on 5 machines and it worked well i was offline for like an hour that was it
[12:57] <somerville32> Xenguy & EdLin: I have a 333mhz w/128mb of ram
[12:57] <ecobuntu> though i like saik0's response the best
[12:57] <calamari> ulaas: how do I disable cpu speed stuff?
[12:57] <Xenguy> n0dl: unzip
[12:57] <oskude> XFCE4 is the "cooles" low weight that ive seen :)
[12:57] <oskude> +t
[12:57] <ecobuntu> fluxbox!
[12:57] <oskude> nah
[12:57] <LjL> though i don't quite see what use XFCE4 is (weight-wise), when one is going to use Gnome and/or KDE apps anyway
[12:57] <ZeroDni> i also dont upgrade untill like a few week affter the switch
[12:58] <gdub> if you want some of the eye candy go for xfce
[12:58] <somerville32> Windows 98 is a bit faster on my machine
[12:58] <somerville32> And it seems to make all to the difference
[12:58] <ulaas> calamari, i had the same issue. i remember that i edited a script like powernowd or something in /etc/init.d
[12:58] <ecobuntu> eye candy with xfce?  compared to what?  kde?
[12:58] <ulaas> calamari, google for it
[12:58] <saik0> LjL, you're not using all the gnome-libs
[12:58] <calamari> somerville32: not surprising.. win98 is a pretty fast os
[12:58] <Xenguy> LjL: yes, alternatives to OpenOffice, for instance Abiword, are also necessary on slow hardware
[12:58] <gdub> compared to fluxbox which is barebones
[12:58] <LjL> saik0: i suppose you're using most, though
[12:58] <gdub> but fast as hell
[12:59] <EdLin> somerville32, maybe you need a lighter distro, like vanilla Debian, with lighter programs - like sylpheed rather than evolution and the like.
[12:59] <gdub> on crap hardware
[12:59] <ZeroDni> and now that i use webmin for most of the samll servers its been a breze to go to brezy
[12:59] <saik0> LjL, not really, you would be surprised
[12:59] <oskude> i LOVE gnome, but i would like to have that top-panel menu from os9/osx/kde :)
[12:59] <LjL> Xenguy: now this is reasonable, though i think more and more apps are either KDE or Gnome apps
[12:59] <LjL> saik0: well, i dunno, i use KDE myself
[12:59] <ecobuntu> vanilla Debian?
[12:59] <LjL> saik0: anyway, for starters, apps will take longer to start, as the libs must be loaded
[12:59] <EdLin> ecobuntu, www.debian.org
[12:59] <oskude> man am i glad that ubuntu uses gnome as default :)
[12:59] <Red-Sox> hi
[12:59] <somerville32> Maybe I'll just go back to Windows till I get a faster computer
[01:00] <EnglishStan> Could my Subnet Mask be wrong??? What should it be??
[01:00] <Red-Sox> i really really really want object dock or yz dock in wine, do they install?
[01:00] <LjL> oskude: i'm glad there is Kubuntu for me :P
[01:00] <EdLin> somerville32, Ubuntu is meant for people with the hardware to run GNOME - you need to run a different set of Linux apps and window managers for your old hardware.
[01:00] <ecobuntu> EdLin: yeah i'm familiar with debian but i've never heard of debian vanilla
[01:00] <oskude> LjL, and im glad you have the freedom of choice :)
[01:01] <EdLin> ecobuntu, "vanilla" means "plain"
[01:01] <ZeroDni> realy you realy can use any by defalt just install server first witch i always do then just do apt-get install kde-base and you have kde for you to install only the programs you want
[01:01] <ecobuntu> somerville32: or just type server at boot, then install x-windows-system and fluxbox
[01:01] <LjL> oskude: and i'm glad i'm seeing a nice and reasonable top-of-the-screen menubar right now :P
[01:01] <ecobuntu> somerville32: then you'll be golden!
[01:01] <ecobuntu> EdLin: well i know what vanilla means but why would debian be 'vanilla' versus ubuntu?
[01:01] <oskude> LjL, :) dont tease me :)
[01:01] <ecobuntu> EdLin: ubuntu only has like two or three different programs
[01:02] <EdLin> ecobuntu, Ubuntu is a Debian-derived distribution.
[01:02] <ZeroDni> ecobuntu now what do you like about fluxbox i was thinking of trying it from kde but im affrid it doesnt have alot of the covinet things kde has
[01:02] <ecobuntu> EdLin: default Debian installation gives you
[01:02] <SEJeff> ecobuntu, Because Ubuntu changes and adds patches to software to make it better whereas debian often does not
[01:02] <ecobuntu> KDE and GNOME
[01:02] <oskude> i've heard "vanilla" metnioned with kerenel...
[01:02] <LjL> oskude: but i do! KDE is better! it just looks buttugly by default, but :P
[01:02] <oskude> *mentioned
[01:02] <SEJeff> oskude: vanilla kernel means mainline with 0 tweaks or patches
[01:02] <ecobuntu> SEJeff: so does Debian
[01:02] <Stormx2> how do I compress a couple of files, and what is the smallest compression type? (I'm compressing two large images)
[01:02] <EdLin> ecobuntu, Debian does not give you KDE and GNOME by default, unless you select it in tasksel
[01:02] <ecobuntu> SEJeff: you're lying!
[01:02] <SEJeff> ecobuntu: And which makes a better desktop, Debian or ubuntu?
[01:02] <oskude> LjL, i like gnome cause of its "cleaness"
[01:03] <cribeiro> calamari: Win98 is fast because it does VERY little :-)
[01:03] <SEJeff> ecobuntu: hence debian being vanilla
[01:03] <Xenguy> Stormx2: bzip2 compresses smaller than gzip AFAIK
[01:03] <oskude> debian or ubuntu doesnt make ANY desktops...
[01:03] <Stormx2> Xenguy: AFAIK?
[01:03] <cribeiro> calamari: did you solve your issue with lockups?
[01:03] <ecobuntu> Whatever you can get a 'vanilla' installation with either distro
[01:03] <drewbie42> somerville32,  have a look at openbox, or the xubuntu project, there is a good page on Openbox in the wiki
[01:03] <Xenguy> Stormx2: as far as i know
[01:03] <ecobuntu> that's why you can install server
[01:03] <ecobuntu> which has the base installations
[01:03] <ecobuntu> same thing
[01:03] <calamari> cribeiro: nope..
[01:03] <oskude> sadly xubuntu doenst work "out-of-the-box"...
[01:04] <oskude> yet, i hope :)
[01:04] <calamari> cribeiro: I need a tool that tells me which programs are causing the reads or writes to my drive
[01:04] <LjL> oskude: yea, gnome's "cleaness" is attractive, no doubt, but for myself, i've found that it starts being limiting and getting in the way quite soon. and i assure you that the way KDE works *makes sense*, it just appears not to because there are simply too many buttons one sees by default
[01:04] <nytryx|Ibook> ok ive converted a rpm to a deb now what?
[01:04] <somerville32> oskude: It does work out of the box
[01:04] <ecobuntu> ZeroDNI: fluxbox is very quick and highly configurable
[01:04] <ecobuntu> ZeroDNI: much more minimalistic than KDE
[01:04] <calamari> cribeiro: then when it happens I can see what the culprit is
[01:04] <SEJeff> LjL: What gets in the way?
[01:04] <saik0> nytryx|Ibook, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:05] <ecobuntu> There is now a GUI in Dapper to install .deb files
[01:05] <Red-Sox> how do you kill all traces of firefox?
[01:05] <ecobuntu> very exciting
[01:05] <oskude> LjL, just to keep you awake, give me an example why KDE is better than GNOME ?
[01:05] <ZeroDni> what kind of kcontrol like interface to they have or if they have any
[01:05] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: I would be interested to know how much lighter something like fluxbox really is than xfce4...
[01:05] <somerville32> Red-sox: killall firefox
[01:05] <calamari> cribeiro: people always say top.. but that is wrong because it doesn't track disk i/o.. and the problem doesn't appear in top.. top thinks everything is dandy .. with solid hd activity
[01:05] <nytryx|Ibook> ok the foo part being the name of the deb right?
[01:05] <LjL> SEJeff: it's simplemindedness. just to mention what oskude mentioned, i can't get top-of-the-screen menus with Gnome.
[01:05] <somerville32> Red-sox: killall firefox-bin
[01:05] <ecobuntu> Red-Sox: do you hate the Yankees?  Cause I do
[01:05] <SEJeff> LjL: I tend to find the shiny obnoxious kde buttons (way too many) get in my way
[01:05] <Red-Sox> a
[01:05] <cribeiro> calamari: there are a few tools that you can use
[01:05] <cribeiro> vmstat is useful
[01:05] <Red-Sox> ecobuntu, ROCK ON!!
[01:05] <N6REJ> Red-Sox,  are you wanting to "uninstall" it?
[01:05] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: i think it's way lighter
[01:05] <SEJeff> LjL: top of the screen menus?
[01:05] <sethk> LjL, I can't make gnome allow me to resize windows with alt-right mouse
[01:05] <LjL> oskude: the menubar? ;-P well, anyway, the KIOSlaves, for example?
[01:05] <Red-Sox> N6REJ, MOST CERTAINTLY NOT!
[01:05] <LjL> SEJeff: like MacOS'
[01:05] <cribeiro> calamari: vmstat will tell you which kind of disk usage you have  - if it is swapping or regular disk usage
[01:05] <oskude> LjL, KIOSlaves ? swt
[01:06] <N6REJ> Red-Sox, ok, wanted to make sure.. I hoped not :D
[01:06] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: for example, I tried a bunch of different WM's last week, and they didn't load any faster than xfce4 from what I could see.  Now maybe the memory usage is less, that I don't know
[01:06] <calamari> cribeiro: I think I need a program that logs disk i/o and which program did it.. so I can file an appropriate bug report
[01:06] <EnglishStan> Hello........
[01:06] <SEJeff> LjL: Read about the hack called kdeinit and then find a better argument :)
[01:06] <ZeroDni> oskude if you think about it nor kde are gnome is better than one another nome is more mac style and kde is more os2 and windows style
[01:06] <EnglishStan> anone any ideas
[01:06] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: well it's faster but if you're running KDE and GNOME apps it's still going to eat up your speed
[01:06] <calamari> cribeiro: otherwise people will say that my lockups are hardware related
[01:06] <SEJeff> LjL: I hate the Macos style topbar, but to each his own
[01:06] <Xenguy> ecobuntu: makes sense
[01:06] <cribeiro> calamari: if you are experiencing thrashing (yes, written this way) then it not a particular program. it just that you are swapping to much. it a VM fault.
[01:07] <ecobuntu> Xenguy: yeah...
[01:07] <cribeiro> calamari: type vmstat 5 and check its output
[01:07] <Stormx2> eek, how do I make bzip2 put 2 files in 1 archive? :(
[01:07] <sethk> SEJeff, he wasn't talking about whether someone loves it or hates it.  He was talking about flexibility, or lack of same, at the windowing system configuration layer
[01:07] <LjL> oskude: well, actually i was thinking more of KPart (KIOSlaves are more like gnome-vfs, i think, though i'm not 100% sure what gnome-vfs is about). KPart is KDE's object embedding mechanism. basically, the one that lets Konqueror show any kind of file KDE knows about (not just that, of course)
[01:07] <calamari> cribeiro: well the thing is that it normal;ly doesn't thrash.. and when it does I am not doing anything out of the ordinary.. fore example it just did it while I was chatting on irc
[01:07] <oskude> ZeroDni, i never had a mac, but i still like gnome more, it just feels lighter :) (and these are personal opinions anyway, i use KDE apps too)
[01:07] <cribeiro> there are a few numbers that you need to check - like po's and pi's, if I remember it correctly
[01:07] <ZeroDni> im just glade we have so many choses when it comes to interfaces
[01:07] <saik0> Stormx2, bz2 is just compression, you want a bzipped tarball
[01:07] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, and what if is swaping very offten ? :) altrough has just 128mb ram :)
[01:07] <LjL> SEJeff: you mean the hack that was once needed -- and isn't there anymore -- when G++ had problems with runtime linking?
[01:07] <EnglishStan> can someone PM me on how to get internet sorted out please?
[01:08] <Xenguy> !pm
[01:08] <Stormx2> saik0: Ok, how do I do that?
[01:08] <ubotu> from memory, pm is Ask your questions in the channel so that other people may also benefit from answers received.
[01:08] <ecobuntu> i'll be interested to see how the new GUI installer is for Ubuntu
[01:08] <saik0> Stormx2: man tar =)
[01:08] <nytryx|Ibook> saik0 i get status database area is locked by another process"
[01:08] <ZeroDni> EnlishStan how many nic interfaces do you have on the PC
[01:08] <ecobuntu> I'm running dapper right now and not too much is different yet
[01:08] <sethk> EnglishStan, that's rather a broad subject
[01:08] <rixth> http://hey-charlie.org/xchat.jpg See how xChat is interlacing /msg's with the main texT? How can I _stop_ it doing that?
[01:08] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: well, if you have little memory there's nothing that you can do, besides running fewer (and lighter) apps.
[01:08] <oskude> lets stop this KDE/GNOME flame, both are good, and the point is you can use even both :)
[01:08] <saik0> nytryx|Ibook, close synaptic =)
[01:08] <sexualpotatoes> how do i reinstall grub if i don't have a live cd??
[01:08] <ecobuntu> rixth: use irssi-text!!!!
[01:08] <sethk> oskude, indeed, I do use both
[01:08] <cribeiro> calamari: if you have something big running in the background... then you may experience heavy swapping. How much memory you have?
[01:09] <SEJeff> LjL: No, the one that doesn't allow me to use SELinux https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg00900.html
[01:09] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to breezy and have this annoying message on logging on about $HOME/.dmrc.  It says it needs to be 644 permissioned.  It is.  It exists.  Yet it still complains.
[01:09] <rixth> It just started doing it yesterday- seeming by itsels
[01:09] <nickrud> sethk, you can use alt mouse to resize windows; use the configuration editor and look at /apps/metacity/general/mouse_button_modifier
[01:09] <SEJeff> LjL: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0407/7698.cfm and it is still very much there
[01:09] <LjL> oskude: well, actually, the point i usually make is to *not* use both... either choose KDE or Gnome, but myself, i'd never bloat my system by using both
[01:09] <EnglishStan> Uboto. i have but i can't seem to get any answers
[01:09] <cribeiro> cribeiro: I insist on the swapping thesis because of what you say - low CPU usage coupled with high disk IO. it's typical.
[01:09] <calamari> cribeiro: 384mb .. and most is free.. I show no swap being used... and also when it freezies I've checked and no swap
[01:09] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, yea I know, thats way after testing Mandriva, Suse .. I got stuck with Ubuntu
[01:09] <ZeroDni> pixelmonkey i get that too only when i log in via XDMCP
[01:10] <sethk> nickrud, thanks, I'll try that.
[01:10] <SEJeff> LjL: Agreed. Doesn't make sense to load the libraries for 2 big toolkits into memory
[01:10] <oskude> LjL, well, there are programs that are only for GNOME or KDE, so i use both (libs, not desktops)
[01:10] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: Ubuntu is really a lot lighter. I just hope it doesnt get too bloated as times goes on...
[01:10] <pixelmonkey> ZeroDni, so what's the solution?
[01:10] <sexualpotatoes> !uboto grub after windows install
[01:10] <ubotu> sexualpotatoes: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:10] <nickrud> sethk, that's the area you want to look into for customizing metacity; it's not sawfish, but there is a bit
[01:10] <oskude> so, what ever you use, KDE or GNOME, u can use both programs in the other...
[01:10] <calamari> cribeiro: I wonder sometimes if it is a cron job that is causing it.. but I don't know how to find out besides disabling cron and I'd rather not
[01:10] <cribeiro> calamari: leave the vmstat in some terminal... and check it when the problem surfaces. it will tell you something about the nature of your disk IO.
[01:11] <rixth> !ubotu tell oskude about u
[01:11] <Madpilot> cribeiro: Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) runs faster on this machine than the previous release...
[01:11] <N6REJ> does anyone have the new sources.list file please?
[01:11] <cribeiro> calamari: I had some issues with cron a long time ago. Don't remember now, really.
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> new?
[01:11] <oskude> sorry for my lazyness :)
[01:11] <Madpilot> !tell N6REJ about repos
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> !uboto tell sexualpotatoes about grub after installing ubuntu without live cd
[01:11] <ubotu> sexualpotatoes: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> lol
[01:11] <sexualpotatoes> gay
[01:11] <calamari> cribeiro: okay I will leave that running.. hopefully it will capture the problem.. thanks :)
[01:11] <oskude> ~ubotu set VAR "u" as "you" :)
[01:11] <SpaceCake> cribeiro, I got Cel300A, 3gb hdd, I tried even Suse 6.4. was a no go :( One option was Debian, but I got first Ubuntu :)
[01:12] <sethk> EnglishStan, sorry, there is so much traffic that whatever you specifically asked scrolled by before I could read it.
[01:12] <cribeiro> calamari: well, at least you'll know if the IO is process or application driven... or VM driven.
[01:12] <N6REJ> Madpilot, thanks!  I'm gonna save the darn thing this time.... I tried to install the AMD64 distro, but apprently I had a bad disk and I don't see how to "verify" that a disk burned right with nautilus.
[01:13] <ursine> anyone here familiar with linux sound troubles?
[01:13] <sethk> EnglishStan, you can /pm me with a question if you like
[01:13] <cribeiro> calamari: you may try also lsof or something like that
[01:13] <crimsun> ursine: like?
[01:13] <cribeiro> lsof lists open files. there's also other app that does something similar but I forgot its name
[01:13] <cribeiro> lsof also lists who's using the file
[01:13] <SEJeff> cribeiro: strace is pretty advanced. That is what you are talking about
[01:13] <ursine> I have a soundmax that isn't outputting any sound
[01:14] <SEJeff> cribeiro: * the tool that is similar
[01:14] <ursine> I managed to fix it in the last release, but don't remember what I did
[01:14] <N6REJ> ursine, mine worked right out of the box!
[01:14] <Xenguy> !tell sethk about pm
[01:14] <cribeiro> SEJeff: yes, that's it. I'm an old timer mind you :-) lsof was available for Solaris & BSD a long time ago...
[01:14] <repete> Hi all
[01:14] <Homer> in Jan 21, 2038 all computer systems will crash!
[01:14] <oskude> ursine, ...cant remeber what i did. i could sing a song with those ones :) (i feel with you)
[01:14] <_jason> Homer, why's that
[01:15] <ursine> if I recall there was some configuration thingie to do with the headset jack
[01:15] <cribeiro> SpaceCake: i have a few old PCs running Ubuntu too.
[01:15] <Homer> cause POSIX machines are using a 32-bit signed int to keep track of time
[01:15] <Homer> and windows too
[01:15] <Homer> from 1970
[01:15] <N6REJ> Is there a Nero like cdburning program for *nix?
[01:15] <SEJeff> cribeiro: I'm not sure about lsof in Solaris. The Solaris strace equivalent is truss I believe
[01:15] <sethk> Xenguy, at times there is so much traffic that one person's questions never break through
[01:15] <Xenguy> N6REJ: k3b  ?
[01:15] <N6REJ> k3b?
[01:16] <ursine> does anyone know some useful commands for getting sound configuration info?
[01:16] <Homer> there will be outofbounds kernal panic errors! :(
[01:16] <repete> N6REJ: yea, I'd recommend k3b
[01:16] <Homer> cause the int will be too large for the memory
[01:16] <cribeiro> SEJeff: wow, that's really from so 80's -- truss! how long since I had heard about it :-)
[01:16] <SEJeff> cribeiro: I deal with HP-UX, AIX, and Linux. Haven't played much with Solaris
[01:16] <Xenguy> sethk: exceptions to all rules I suppose
[01:16] <ursine> k3b is pretty cool
[01:16] <saik0> Homer, you're being serious, are you?
[01:16] <N6REJ> repete, gr8t ty, I'll look for it.
[01:16] <repete> Has anyone seen the 'smart' developer in irc?
[01:16] <Homer> yes
[01:17] <Homer> you have about 32 years before your computer explodes
[01:17] <Homer> :D
[01:17] <Xenguy> ursine: lspci |less  (look for keyword 'audio')
[01:17] <saik0> Homer, the problem is well know, and will be adresed long before then
[01:17] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Yeah, it's a great tool. But you have to compile it in HP-UX. It doesn't come stock.
[01:17] <repete> N6REJ: 'sudo apt-get install k3b' :-)
[01:17] <oskude> Homer, you have any "evidence" or just theory ?
[01:17] <Homer> it's a well known problem
[01:17] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I had some experience with Solaris about 9 or 8 years ago. I worked on a Sun reseller... and I did some deployments. At that time I used Linux too, Slackware & stuff like that.
[01:17] <Homer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[01:17] <_jason> Homer, does that mean that if someone set's the date to 2040 their computer won't work?
[01:17] <Homer> yes
[01:18] <SpaceCake> !mms
[01:18] <ubotu> Wish i knew, SpaceCake
[01:18] <oskude> Homer, so if i set my clock to 2038, my pc will explode ? :)
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> they will explode.
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:18] <Homer> like a hand granade
[01:18] <Homer> booooom
[01:18] <sethk> oskude, it might just melt down
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> and your robo-love-doll will workbackwards!
[01:18] <sethk> Dr_Willis, hmm, promise?
[01:18] <SpaceCake> oskude, my one survived now for 8y, 300 clocked at 450 :)
[01:18] <ClayG> anyone gotten k9copy to work?
[01:19] <Homer> unless you keep reverting back the time your computer will crash
[01:19] <Urthmover> good evening people
[01:19] <Urthmover> has anyone ever used FreeNX?
[01:19] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I did play a little bit.
[01:19] <SEJeff> Homer, by then, most computers will be 64bit and that will be irrelevant
[01:19] <Madpilot> ClayG: k9copy? that's for cloning dogs, is it?
[01:19] <oskude> hmm, where do i change the year of my ubuntu clock ? :)
[01:19] <Homer> right
[01:19] <Hentai^XP> Homer that date problem dosen't effect windows
[01:20] <_jason> Homer, what are we going to do about the year 292,277,026,596 problem ?
[01:20] <ClayG> Well sort of, only the big ones
[01:20] <Urthmover> well I'm having trouble getting it up and running ...do you mind taking a moment to help me troubleshoot it?
[01:20] <Homer> but then the year 292,277,026,596 problem would be a problem
[01:20] <cribeiro> Urthmover: it's good, but I found a few issues... nothing big... But the performance is amazing.
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> I need to copy my dog and enlarge him 200%
[01:20] <Homer> :(
[01:20] <ClayG> you woudl never use it on a dashund
[01:20] <Homer> poor people in the year year 292,277,026,596
[01:20] <Urthmover> great cribeiro
[01:20] <oskude> well, i allso heard about the year 2000bug, didnt even notice it was 2000...
[01:20] <sethk> ClayG, actually, I did that.  My dog is only half dashschund
[01:20] <Urthmover> I need someone to help me get it working....
[01:21] <Urthmover> I can apt-get it from the different source
[01:21] <ClayG> Whats the other half?
[01:21] <Urthmover> and even set the key
[01:21] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, I had some trouble too :-) I just followe instructions, it worked. But I could not quite figure out the authentication stuff.
[01:21] <ClayG> please dont say human, lol
[01:21] <EddieDaMan> hi clay
[01:21] <Urthmover> but now I'm not sure what to do
[01:21] <ursine> are there any other sound config thingies aside from lspci?
[01:21] <ClayG> Hey eddie, did you get that ama prob fixed?
[01:21] <Urthmover> nxclient: cannot connect to X server
[01:21] <EddieDaMan> not yet
[01:21] <guydebord> HI. I just configured my wireless connection at a friends house.  Now, using my own IP it doesnt seem to work. Anyohe can tell me what my wireless interface properties should look like and where I reeenter my browser direction?
[01:21] <Red-Sox> what osx-style dock for windows installs on wine?
[01:22] <ClayG> Don't worry, there was a simple Gnome problem I was hunting the answer for for 3 days
[01:22] <oskude> ursine, "lspci" just shows what harware you have on pci bus
[01:22] <oskude> +d
[01:22] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I was able to make it work on a new Ubuntu install. I had some trouble installing it on my home PC... because the installation is really confusing after one year and two dist-upgrades :-)
[01:22] <ursine> yeah, I know
[01:22] <ursine> that's why I need to find some commands for configuring my soundcard
[01:22] <EddieDaMan> what exactly is kde?
[01:22] <cribeiro> Urthmover: what did you do?
[01:22] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: The spawn of satan
[01:22] <fredforfaen> EddieDaMan a window manager
[01:22] <Urthmover> well cribeiro what doy ou suggest  right now I can SSH into the machine and I've somehow busted VNC
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:23] <ptlo> EddieDaMan, it's a desktop environment; like gnome, but different
[01:23] <fredforfaen> yeah SEJeff
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> ic
[01:23] <oskude> ursine, sry, but linux and sound is a "black hole" for me, thats why i have ubuntu that autoconfigured it for me :)
[01:23] <ClayG> anyone here use squid or stunnel?
[01:23] <Urthmover> mind helping me get it working again.....I only changed my gdm.conf (thinking XDMCP) was going to be what I wanted for remote access
[01:23] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I kind of remember that I did the apt-get, etc... and it would not work out of the box... but I did one command, don't remember which one... to set the authentication method. It worked after that.
[01:23] <EddieDaMan> are there any programs like winamp for linux other than amaroK?
[01:23] <SEJeff> ClayG: I set up squid at work. Squid supports ssl so you don't really need stunnel with it
[01:24] <cribeiro> Urthmover: It was on the office and no, I did not keep any notes :-(
[01:24] <Urthmover> lol
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, xmms
[01:24] <Urthmover> bummer
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> does is stream?
[01:24] <ptlo> EddieDaMan, there are xmms, and bmp which look very much like winamp .) also there is rhythmbox, banshee and muine for music playing
[01:24] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: beep-media-player is the newest best winamp clone. Even uses winamp themes
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, yes, audio
[01:24] <Urthmover> man this sucks cause VNC is now dead....what is the easiest way to reconfigure VNC?
[01:24] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, let's try :-) what did you do up to this point?
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> kewl
[01:24] <oskude> EddieDaMan, but if you want to stream NSV video, use mplayer and w32codecs...
[01:24] <EddieDaMan> okay
[01:25] <Urthmover> I edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to allow XDMCP
[01:25] <saik0> EddieDaMan, unless theres some specific xmms plugin you want you probably want bmp
[01:25] <Urthmover> but have since gone back and reversed those changes
[01:25] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: xmms and beep are both good. The main difference is that beep uses the gtk2 toolkit which makes it prettier and integrate better into your ubuntu desktopo
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> how do i get beep?
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> is that just through synap
[01:25] <ursine> does anyone know what commands can be used for configuring sound on linux aside from lspci?
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> ?
[01:25] <Urthmover> netstat -l does not show a listen VNC on 5800 :-(
[01:25] <early> has anyone in here been a mandriva user prior to ubuntu?
[01:25] <oskude> EddieDaMan, try first, ask then
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:25] <EddieDaMan> k
[01:25] <oskude> :)
[01:25] <cribeiro> Well. What's the problem with freenx? Did you install it, etc... at what point did it fail?
[01:25] <SEJeff> EddieDaMan: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player*
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: try to start the daemon manually.
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: /etc/init.d/vnc or something like this.
[01:26] <Urthmover> what is the syntax?
[01:26] <saik0> SEJeff, that would install beep-media-player-jack
[01:26] <Urthmover> thanks
[01:26] <cribeiro> Urthmover: check you /etc/init.d directory
[01:27] <ecobuntu> beer
[01:27] <cribeiro> Urthmover: there must be a script to start & stop VNC. I dont have it installed here so I cant tell the name to you
[01:27] <Urthmover> there is no VNC in /etc/init.d
[01:27] <cribeiro> perhaps it was uninstalled when you grabbed freenx... who knows?
[01:27] <Urthmover> I only did what came default on Breezy
[01:27] <SEJeff> saik0: Thats an output plugin. It can be changed so it doesn't matter
[01:27] <Urthmover> anyone know hor to reinstall and reconfigure VNC?
[01:28] <Urthmover> know how cribeiro?
[01:28] <cribeiro> there are two options.
[01:28] <ecobuntu> Urthmover: apt-get --reinstall install vnc
[01:28] <pridkett> is there an easy way to get additional debugging from a startup script?
[01:28] <cribeiro> Urthmover: you may try to uninstall it... and reinstall it later.
[01:28] <pridkett> I have a script that fails at startup, but when I run it manually it works fine
[01:28] <saik0> SEJeff, meh, I just prefer not installing stuff I have absolutely no use for
[01:28] <guydebord> No one has any idea on configuring a wireless connection for a specific inet address.  One thing is the address is different in eth and lo after the ifconfig command
[01:28] <SEJeff> pridkett: What script
[01:28] <pridkett> SEJeff: it's one that I wrote myself for LIRC
[01:29] <pridkett> so it's not supported
[01:29] <Urthmover> ? cribeiro
[01:29] <Urthmover> man I just want some graphical remote access
[01:29] <cribeiro> Urthmover: one moment I was checking. WHich VNC did you use before?
[01:29] <Urthmover> how do I strip VNC from it and re-install?
[01:29] <SEJeff> pridkett: It is likely a dependency issue. Make sure that is is started last. Create the symlink to be something like S1000customscript
[01:29] <oskude> Urthmover, i just did System>Administration>Shared Folders, opened a foleder. and on antoher machine connected with vncwiever (or so)
[01:29] <Urthmover> whatever comes with breezy
[01:29] <Urthmover> I'm not too sure which
[01:29] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I assume it was vino
[01:29] <pridkett> SEJeff: yeah, it's already S99
[01:29] <Urthmover> what is the apt-get name for vnc?
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> theres several vncs you can install.. I dident think any were installed by default
[01:30] <cribeiro> Urthmover: sudo apt-get remove vino
[01:30] <SEJeff> pridkett: You could also start it from your gnome session so it is ran whenever you login to gnome?
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> theres 'tightvnc' 'vnc4server' and i think the old fashoned 'vncserver'
[01:30] <cribeiro> Urthmover: sudo apt-get install vino
[01:30] <pridkett> SEJeff: unfortunately, it's starting up lirc, which is a system level server.  needed for mythtv
[01:30] <SEJeff> Urthmover: apt-cache search vnc to find out
[01:30] <oskude> and what does "System>Administration>Shared Folders" use ?
[01:30] <pridkett> otherwise, that would be a great idea
[01:30] <oskude> OH, my fault
[01:30] <oskude> sry
[01:30] <SEJeff> pridkett: so what. Put sudo in front of it in the sessions that you have autologin
[01:31] <oskude> was something else, sec
[01:31] <cribeiro> I think that "vino" is the closest to a "default"... I believe it's installed by Ubuntu for remote administration.
[01:31] <SEJeff> pridkett: You could also have the session autologin and start myth
[01:31] <saik0> oskude, NFS and/or SMB
[01:31] <pridkett> SEJeff: I didn't think about the sudo thing
[01:31] <guydebord> No one has any idea on configuring a wireless connection for a specific inet address.  One thing is the address is different in eth and lo after the ifconfig command
[01:31] <pridkett> I can do that, thanks for the pointer
[01:31] <Urthmover> of the 3 different VNC's What has the best performance cribeiro?
[01:31] <pridkett> its' a hack, but should owrk
[01:31] <pridkett> work
[01:31] <oskude> what does "System>Preferences>Remote Desktop" use
[01:31] <sexualpotatoes> anyone know how to reinstall GRUb after installing windows, w/ just the original cd?
[01:32] <SEJeff> pridkett: System --> Preferences --> Sessions --> Startup. Click add. Add sudo /yourscriptpath/name.sh and then add another one for mythtv
[01:32] <Urthmover> cribeiro: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/antesis.freecontrib.org_mirrors_ubuntu_plf_dists_breezy_free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:32] <Urthmover> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/antesis.freecontrib.org_mirrors_ubuntu_plf_dists_breezy_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:32] <Urthmover> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[01:32] <Urthmover> how do I get rid of those errors?
[01:32] <SEJeff> pridkett: That will ONLY work if you have the NOPASSWD option set in your sudoers file. Do you?
[01:32] <Urthmover> edit /apt/sources.list?
[01:32] <pridkett> SEJeff: actually, myth starts just fine through GDM autologin.  This should work.
[01:32] <nytryx|Ibook> ok heres another problem
[01:32] <pridkett> SEJeff: thanks
[01:32] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I really don't know. I used to use tightvnc with Windows... but I dont know which is better
[01:32] <oskude> Urthmover, sry i ment "System>Preferences>Remote Desktop" and then vncwiever on the other machine
[01:33] <SEJeff> pridkett: sudo lircscript.sh will only work with the NOPASSWD option in your sudoers file. Do you have that?
[01:33] <guydebord> both direct and wireless connection should be through eth0 connection no.  What is lo for?
[01:33] <nytryx|Ibook> i have openmosix installed but now i wanto install openmosixviewer and its telling me that it needs openmosix to install but its installed!
[01:33] <oskude> guydebord, lo = loopback = local
[01:33] <nytryx|Ibook> what do i do?
[01:33] <SEJeff> guydebord: loopback. It's something builtin to every network card to test and make sure it is working correctly with the OS
[01:33] <cribeiro> Urthmover: Well. Seems you package mangager is somehow broken. Editing /etc/apt/sources,list may help
[01:34] <guydebord> ok.  so how do I make sure wireless conection configured through eth0?
[01:34] <cribeiro> Urthmover: did you try 'sudo apt-get update'?
[01:34] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Remove those repositories from your sources.list or comment them out. It means they can't be contacted
[01:34] <cribeiro> guydeboard: your wireless connection will probably not use the name 'eth0'
[01:34] <cribeiro> guydeboard: my one, for instance... use the name 'ath0'. The 'a' stands for Atheros, the name of the chipset on my noteobok.
[01:35] <nytryx|Ibook> hello?
[01:35] <scoperesolution> has anyone used ctorrent or know of a good command line based BT client?
[01:35] <oskude> guydebord, de.archive.ubuntu.com was down a while yesterday, so maybe your mirror is down...
[01:36] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, world ? :)
[01:36] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Just the ones that are giving errors
[01:36] <guydebord> no. was working fine this morning.  trying to activate wlan0 now.
[01:36] <cribeiro> guydebord: I just read a older msg from you. No, your wireless connection will NOT use the same interface as your wired one.
[01:36] <bimberi> sexualpotatoes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76652
[01:36] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Then run sudo apt-get update again and all should be well
[01:36] <Urthmover> how do I look back at those errors?  dmesg or something?
[01:36] <nytryx|Ibook> what
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:37] <cribeiro> Urthmover: if you mean the apt errors, I dont think they will show up in dmesg
[01:37] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, you said hello, i said world = hello world :)
[01:37] <SEJeff> Urthmover: dmesg is only kernel stuff. They might be in /var/log/messages. But you might try scrolling up in xchat :)
[01:37] <bimberi> Urthmover: freenx could be worth another try if you follow this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> its openmosix im trying to install openmosixview
[01:37] <nytryx|Ibook> ahh ok
[01:37] <SEJeff> Urthmover: http://antesis.freecontrib.org breezy/free
[01:37] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, sry, didn pick your problem, repeat ?
[01:38] <SEJeff> Urthmover: Get freenx from the repo set up by Seveas. He is awesome
[01:38] <saik0> scoperesolution, bittorrent or bittornado for curses GUI
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> what?
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude ive got the dependency already installed
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> its openmosix im trying to install openmosixview
[01:38] <cribeiro> SEJEff: seems that Urthmover tried this repository, and had a problem to get packages from it.
[01:38] <nytryx|Ibook> but i get the package couild not be installed when it already is
[01:38] <cribeiro> SEJeff: or at least, that was the problem he had with apt-get a few minutes ago...
[01:38] <SEJeff> cribeiro: He got a 404 not found. So he is commenting it out. I see the problem, this is easy to fix
[01:38] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, hmm, what do you type and what do you get (please dont paste multi lines here()
[01:39] <ThePyromaniac> if i had a partition for mp3's and mounted it to /home/phil/media/music, then changed the mount to /home/phil/media to include all media types, how could i also change where windows will view the partitiion?
[01:39] <EddieDaMan> how do you get xmms to stream?
[01:39] <funkyHat> Is it actually possible _at all_ to stop esd from locking the soundcard when it's using it? even though i've got DMIX set up?
[01:39] <ThePyromaniac> cause /home/phil/media/music was E;/ and that still only loads the music folder
[01:39] <repete> Does anyone know if 'smart' has an irc channel?
[01:39] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, scnr, call MS-hotline :)
[01:39] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I dont get it... you supplied him with the same line he had to comment. Am I missing something??
[01:39] <nytryx|Ibook> im using synaptic ive already installed openmosix i want to install openmosixview but it wont let me because it says it can download the dependency (which is already installed) oskude
[01:40] <purplefeltangel> can someone help me install a program
[01:40] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Yes, he wasn't sure what line to comment, so I gave it to him.
[01:40] <ThePyromaniac> oskude ok, as soon as i get 40 for the call, haha!
[01:40] <SEJeff> cribeiro: You said you didn't think dmesg showed apt errors. You were correct. He wanted to see the apt error so he could comment out those repositories
[01:40] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, sec
[01:41] <EddieDaMan> are there any additional thinkg you need to dl for xmms to stream media, like an online radio?
[01:41] <cribeiro> SEJeff: I thought you were telling him to ADD it :-) sorry
[01:41] <dino`> what can i add to /etc/apt/sources.list so i can install VLC safe and easy?
[01:41] <Urthmover> well I've fixed the sources.list
[01:41] <SEJeff> cribeiro: Nope, comment it out and then do sudo apt-get update
[01:41] <ThePyromaniac> anyone? :/
[01:42] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: try icecast
[01:42] <Urthmover> but shen I start nxclient (for freeNX) it says Xserver could not be contacted....how do I make sure Xserver is running right?
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> icecast?
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> is that a separate program?
[01:42] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: yes, icecast... it's a shoutcast clone. A mp3 streaming serverf.
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> i c
[01:42] <EddieDaMan> thnks
[01:43] <purplefeltangel> can someone help me install a program?? :-/
[01:43] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, oh thats funny "sudo apt-get install openmosixview" > "openmosixview: Depends: openmosix but it is not installable" and "apt-cache search openmosix" > "A graphical tool to manage an openmosix cluster" i think you should contact the maintainer of the package or search the mailing list/forums of that program...
[01:43] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, what are you trying to install
[01:43] <cribeiro> Urthmover: I dont remember it very well. I may try to reproduce it here... but I belive that you should be running the freenx deamon... is it running?
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> kyral, AIM for linux
[01:44] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, oh thats funny "sudo apt-get install openmosixview" > "openmosixview: Depends: openmosix but it is not installable" and "apt-cache search openmosix" > "openmosixview - A graphical tool to manage an openmosix cluster" i think you should contact the maintainer of the package or search the mailing list/forums of that program...
[01:44] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, GAIM is much better
[01:44] <nytryx|Ibook> ok i have openmosix installed!
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> kyral, i want to see for myself. =_=;
[01:44] <saik0> purplefeltangel, IMO Gaim is far better then the official AIM client
[01:44] <timello> hey guys! Is there some workaround for Bug 15372?
[01:44] <purplefeltangel> plus i want have to learn how to install programs eventually.
[01:44] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, how did you do that ?
[01:45] <Kyral> !tell purplefeltangel about apt
[01:45] <nytryx|Ibook> had to convert a rpm to a dep and installed it via the terminal
[01:45] <oskude> timello, scnr, yeah the solution 12435435 should work :)
[01:45] <ThePyromaniac> damn, in linux i had a IDE drive mounted and i unhooked it, now it says it doesnt exist after rebooting and replugging
[01:45] <timello> oskude, I can use my accents... ok... let me see
[01:45] <cribeiro> Urthmover: well, I was checking the link mentioned above... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX... checkit. it sould solve your problem (I hope you are running Breezy BTW)
[01:46] <kukito> hi newbie question: when I log in as a regular user, whenever I click on the sda1 icon I get an error message indicating I don't have permissions to browse the disk. I can sudo into nautilus and browse that way, but I would rather unmount the drive than having it open with an error message. I'm unable to change permissions on the drive even when I'm logged in as root. Any suggestions?
[01:46] <timello> oskude, I mean... I can't use
[01:46] <timello> :)
[01:46] <Siph0n> hey all
[01:47] <timello> oskude, what is that? Attachment number?
[01:47] <Siph0n> when i reboot ubuntu, i get a msg saying it cant unmount my filesystem cause its busy, then when it boots back up it failed when it mounts local filesystem... any ideas? :) like how to fix  :)
[01:47] <oskude> scnr = sorry, could not resist so allmost = joke :)
[01:47] <purplefeltangel> kyral, isnt apt-get like package manager except on the commandline?
[01:47] <samia> n
[01:47] <samia> bah
[01:48] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, the Package Manager(GUI) is a frontend to Apt-Get
[01:48] <oskude> Tidus, as you said a bud number, that i even know where to find, i made a joke to a solution (that i dont know where to find :)
[01:48] <oskude> bud=bug
[01:48] <purplefeltangel> kyral i dont know what frontend means
[01:48] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, its a pretty interface to the commandline Apt-Get
[01:49] <ThePyromaniac> guys? how to fix a broken mount of a HD?
[01:49] <oskude> server = buttler, fronted = you saying the buttler what to do...
[01:49] <purplefeltangel> kyral, so, if a package isnt in a repository, i cant get it?
[01:49] <nytryx|Ibook> oskude is there a way i can tell it to install and ignore the depencies?
[01:49] <purplefeltangel> kyral: cuz AIM isnt in any repository.
[01:49] <timello> oskude, ah! Heh... ok... I didn't understand... ok... so... no way? :/
[01:49] <Kyral> purplefeltangel, until you learn more...
[01:49] <oskude> nytryx|Ibook, i think "apt-get -f install" should do this
[01:50] <Cole> purplefeltangel: use GAIM it is preinstalled.. it supports AIM/MSN/ICQ and all of that stuff
[01:50] <marktt> I have done something I should not have.
[01:50] <ursine> anyone familiar with linux sound configuration?
[01:50] <purplefeltangel> cole, i know. i want to try the official client, and i have to learn to install programs eventually.
[01:50] <oskude> timello, show me a link to your bug, and if theres no solution on the bug list, i doubt that theres a way...
[01:50] <marktt> For some reason it seemed a good idea at the time.
[01:50] <timello> oskude,  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372
[01:51] <Cole> purplefeltangel: AIM has an official client? didn't know that lol
[01:51] <cribeiro> purplefeltangel: I'm using GAIM right now as a IRC client. It's not the best one for this but it's convenient because I also on MSN, etc... on a single app.
[01:51] <purplefeltangel> cole yes
[01:51] <nytryx|Ibook> same error oskude
[01:51] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, the official aim client may well be in an additional repository
[01:51] <marktt> To install a particular 'thing' .... it looked like I needed to upgrade gcc.....
[01:51] <timello> oskude, I use us international with dead keys... but is the same problem I think
[01:51] <purplefeltangel> sexcopter8000m, it's not in universe, multiverse or main.
[01:51] <Cole> multiverse maybe?
[01:51] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, oh ok then
[01:51] <ThePyromaniac> Broken HD mount anyone? unplugged IDE HDD and now it doesnt exist after i put it back in and reboot
[01:51] <Siph0n> do anyone got an idea why my filesystem is busy when i am shutting down? so it cant be unmounted it says, then gives an error when it boots up saying it cant be mounted.... but everything else seems fine
[01:51] <marktt> So I reckoned I could do no wrong in removing presently installed version... then upgrade...
[01:52] <marktt> oooops.
[01:52] <Cole> purplefeltangel: there are .debs build to debian 3 on aim.com.. those are what i'd use
[01:52] <marktt> I halted the de-installation of just about everything midstream.
[01:52] <Cole> purplefeltangel: or you can use use the TGZ's
[01:52] <oskude> timello, that bug sounds nasty (so many comments) sry, cant help you with that :(
[01:53] <purplefeltangel> cole, ok, but when i click on the .deb files they try to open in firefox and my computer crashes....
[01:53] <sexcopter8000m> purplefeltangel, iirc, it's sudo dpkg -i thedebfile.deb
[01:53] <timello> oskude, yeah... no problem... but look at glance it seems not has any fix yet
[01:54] <oskude> timello, yeah, i got the same impression...
[01:54] <timello> but... anyway... thanks
[01:54] <marktt> Is there a way to re-install packages when the manager says 'unmet dependencies......but this will not be installed'...
[01:55] <sells> anyone know how to create mp4 for an ipod
[01:55] <nalioth> marktt: yes, dont use non ubuntu pkgs
[01:55] <sells> for podcasts
[01:55] <oskude> timello, np, nice to have problems that are "real" bugs, and not just lazyness searching yourself ;)
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> i need to know how to format and partition a secondary disk - hdb - if it shows up in the disks window but greys out the create partitions button
[01:55] <slew> hi, what do i need to get wmv's to play? i already have w32 codecs installed
[01:55] <Cole> purplefeltangel: type wget http://ftp.newaol.com/aimgen/380469/aim_1.5.286-2_i386.deb
[01:55] <shadeofgrey> whats the command in bash to format andpartition hdb
[01:56] <timello> oskude, yeah... I already learned :)
[01:56] <purplefeltangel> thank you cole
[01:56] <marktt> nalioth: thanks.
[01:56] <Cole> (i didn't actually check it.. but it shoudl work)
[01:56] <jonnyakajemol> who is liz4rd
[01:56] <oskude> shadeofgrey, "mkfs.*" what format do you want to make ?
[01:56] <tcmjr> Hello guys
[01:56] <nalioth> sells: install libfaad* and libfaac*
[01:56] <jonnyakajemol> who is:liz4rd
[01:56] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  ext3
[01:56] <sells> nalioth: okay
[01:57] <tcmjr> Just installed 5.10 and gaim is not showing my buddies pictures ... when I start it i see the flashing pictures as their icon but it vanishes ... Anyone know why
[01:57] <bimberi> shadeofgrey: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb (to partiton), then mkfs (to format)
[01:57] <oskude> shadeofgrey, then for format you would use "mkfs.ext3 <partition>"
[01:57] <marktt> Though all I really want to get back is the gnome things that got 'smaked'.
[01:57] <nalioth> sells: also gstreamer0.8-faad and -faac will allow you to PLAY aac/mp4/m4a files
[01:57] <jonnyakajemol> what command do i type to find out what server my friend is on
[01:57] <nalioth> EnglishStan: i had fish for lunch, thank you
[01:57] <sells> nalioth: I want to make mp4
[01:57] <EddieDaMan> hmmm, i downloaded ice cast put i can't seem to stream
[01:57] <EnglishStan> lol
[01:58] <sells> nalioth: when I go to get those libs, they are not found
[01:58] <nalioth> sells: enable the universe and multiverse repos
[01:58] <bob832> hmm, seem to have a problem that just developed. . . openoffice is not opening . . .any suggestions?
[01:58] <nytryx|Ibook> ok anyone how do i tell ubuntu that the damned package is already installed its there in synaptic
[01:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sells about repos
[01:58] <oskude> shadeofgrey, and for partitioning, fdisk, cfdisk, parted, waht you like :)
[01:58] <EddieDaMan> after to dl, what am i suppose to do?
[01:58] <sells> nalioth: got it
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> gosh i can't wait to get one thing working on this os = )
[01:59] <ThePyromaniac> please somebody help me... :(
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> lol
[01:59] <oskude> shadeofgrey, for console, cfdisk looks the "best" :)
[01:59] <sells> nalioth: so how do I got about converting or making mp4
[01:59] <ThePyromaniac> i ask a few times and wait for reply but nothing
[01:59] <bimberi> bob2: try "oowriter2" from a terminal and see if there are any errors
[01:59] <EddieDaMan> how do i get xmms to stream after i dl icecast?
[02:00] <bimberi> er, bob832^^^ (sry bob2)
[02:00] <nalioth> sells: i'm not sure about 'creating' mp4, but with libfaac* and libfaad* libs you CAN do it. i dont know what programs convert or otw
[02:00] <korhalf> anyone able to get rid of that DRM shit so the wmvs can actually playt properly?
[02:00] <sells> nalioth: thanks
[02:00] <korhalf> I cant play any wmvs that i download, each and every one of them is encrypted
[02:00] <bob832> bimberi. . .lol, no problem about the name
[02:00] <oskude> korhalf, DRM, whats that :) scnr
[02:00] <tcmjr> Just installed 5.10 and gaim is not showing my buddies pictures ... when I start it i see the flashing pictures as their icon but it vanishes ... Anyone know why
[02:00] <dug52143> list
[02:00] <bimberi> bob832: :)
[02:00] <bob832> bimberi:  hmm, got two errors
[02:01] <Moco> Hey, I am trying to ./configure a file, but it says zlib is missing. But it is installed..?
[02:01] <korhalf> os2mac, its what wmp uses to encrypt the streams
[02:01] <bob832> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/libsvl680li.so: invalid ELF header
[02:01] <korhalf> thats why you get garbled or green screens when you use mplayer on a wmv file thats been encrypted
[02:01] <korhalf> and im asking here if anyone has gotten rid of that
[02:01] <oskude> Moco, for compiling you need the "*-dev" packages
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> okay i made hdb a primary partition
[02:01] <shadeofgrey> but it wont show in the disks window still
[02:01] <EddieDaMan> eddie is a noob, how do i stream using xmms and icecast?
[02:01] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: well, it's not xmms that will stream... it's icecast. or at least I think that's the way it works
[02:01] <EddieDaMan> oh
[02:02] <eternalist> laszlok, you from hungary?
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, so you partitioned the whole disk as ext3 ?
[02:02] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: I just installed it yesterday... but have no time to try it yet.
[02:02] <purplefeltangel> how do you log in as root? :S
[02:02] <EddieDaMan> i dled icast, but its' not even showing up on my application sond thingy
[02:02] <eternalist> oskude, any idea ?
[02:02] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: sudo su
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after that you have to "mkfs.ext /dev/hdb1"
[02:02] <bimberi> bob832: eww, perhaps try googling for    openoffice.org libsvl680li.so: invalid ELF header      ?
[02:02] <EddieDaMan> what exactly is the apt get command?
[02:02] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after that you have to "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1"
[02:02] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: log in as a non-root user first
[02:03] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: then run sudo su at the command line
[02:03] <shadeofgrey> os2mac:  i assume so...  but when i tried to do mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb it said "dev/hdb is rntire device not just one partition"
[02:03] <oskude> eternalist, and if you want to use it, you have to mount it
[02:03] <eternalist> oskude, what?
[02:03] <bob832> bimberi:  alright, google here i come
[02:03] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: did you try the 'sudo apt-get install icecast-server'?
[02:03] <oskude> /dev/hdb is the drive. /dev/hdb1 is the first parition
[02:03] <bob832> bimberi:  thanks for the help...without you, never would have know about the errors
[02:03] <bimberi> bob832: np, good luck :)
[02:04] <jrsims> anyone know why fluxbox runs slower than Gnome? Programs start really slow in fluxbox for some reason.
[02:04] <EddieDaMan> i'll try that
[02:04] <oskude> oh man, i hate IRC, i get lost on how asked what...
[02:04] <kode4u> hi, which php web mail program u all commonly used.
[02:04] <oskude> *how = who
[02:04] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: did you understand what I told you?
[02:05] <nalioth> eternalist: you can play older format wmv, just not new ones. it's not enccyption, it's obfuscation in the codec
[02:05] <Cole> jrsims: are they gnome apps that open slower?
[02:05] <ThePyromaniac> HELLO?! How can i fix a broken mount after removing and IDE cable, reinserting and rebooting?
[02:05] <purplefeltangel> jrsims yes... how come its asking me for a password?
[02:05] <jrsims> Cole: yeah, firefox opens really slow
[02:05] <EddieDaMan> k, i donwload it
[02:05] <ThePyromaniac> the Auto-Mount file from ubuntulinux doesnt work
[02:05] <Moco> have you tried to manually mount it?
[02:05] <Cole> jrsims: because none of the supporting gnome libs are in memory yet
[02:05] <EddieDaMan> by that means, nothing shows up on my app thing
[02:05] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: just enter the password you logged in with
[02:05] <eternalist> nalioth, how can i solve?
[02:06] <jrsims> Cole: I see. So as I load Gnome apps, everything starts to run faster?
[02:06] <eternalist> nalioth, should i wine wmp 9?
[02:06] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, when i type, the password field is still blank
[02:06] <Netslayer> does the new 5.10 livecd have memtest on it?
[02:06] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: it should be. that's how it hides your password from say, people looking over your shoulder.
[02:06] <Netslayer> or is it the install cd?
[02:06] <Cole> jrsims: in theory yes
[02:06] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, ah, thx
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> after i dl the server do i need to dl anything else after the server?
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> like the client?
[02:06] <EddieDaMan> if that exists
[02:07] <nalioth> eternalist: that is your only option to play modern wmv files
[02:07] <EddieDaMan> >.<
[02:07] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: cool. sometimes you'll wonder why you can't run certain programs - it's because you're not running the program as root.
[02:07] <jonnyakajemol> how do i install with linux?
[02:07] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: I was checking, just a momento
[02:07] <ThePyromaniac> DOH, removed from fstab and reran auto-mount
[02:07] <EddieDaMan> okay, thanks
[02:07] <oga> does anyone know if there is a usb 2.0 to firewire converter / adapter?
[02:07] <Moco> jonny 1, ./configure 2. make && make install
[02:07] <Cole> oga: not that i know of
[02:07] <optiz0r> evening. I'm very tired, and just wanted to watch a video before going to bed, but i cant seem to get mplayer installed. apt-get/synaptics cant find it. would anyone be able to give me a hand getting it installed?
[02:07] <oskude> jonnyakajemol, install what ?
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: so if you want to run, let's say apt-get, you're going to need to run it as root. To run programs as root, you would enter "sudo apt-get".
[02:08] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: there are a number of options. read the docs for the server at: /usr/share/doc/icecast-server
[02:08] <purplefeltangel> jrsims, what does it mean if there is an archive that has been corrupted by downloading in ASCII mode? should i just download it again?
[02:08] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[02:08] <ThePyromaniac> [Question]  How do I rename the names of the added mounts?
[02:08] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: you can used a plugin for xmms... that will send the output from xmms to the server. The server, in turn, will handle the streaming.
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: that's something I'm not sure about. :)
[02:08] <jonnyakajemol> limewire and wine
[02:08] <jrsims> purplefeltangel: I'm new to linux myself
[02:09] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, hmm, all mounts are defined in /etc/fstab
[02:09] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: check the README file there...
[02:09] <nytryx|Ibook> ok so now i have the rpm and im converting it then im going to install it
[02:09] <ThePyromaniac> oskude all i see is crazy /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hdc2) heh
[02:09] <purplefeltangel> jrsims: ah...ok. thx for your help.
[02:09] <eternalist> nalioth, its not working, its giving me update errors
[02:09] <jonnyakajemol> liz4rd
[02:10] <nalioth> eternalist: what's not working?
[02:10] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, hmm, my breezy uses the /dev/hda scheme.... yours sounds wierd...
[02:10] <eternalist> nalioth, the wmp installation
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guys this ius realy dumb, but i still cant get that ext3 partition made and formatted
[02:10] <shadeofgrey> this is really frustrating and embarassing
[02:10] <ThePyromaniac> oskude well it does
[02:10] <ThePyromaniac> /dev/hdc2 /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hdc2)
[02:10] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, is that a plugnplay thing ? (usn, firewire)
[02:11] <oskude> usn=usb
[02:11] <jonnyakajemol> how do i install limewire on ubuntu?
[02:11] <nalioth> eternalist: i dont run windows, and i dont run windows in wine. i dont play wmv or any other dreadful microsoft codec
[02:11] <shadeofgrey> all i wnt to do is create a single partition on my secondary harddisk so i can copy all my crap to it and redo this entire ubuntu installation
[02:11] <crimsun> jonnyakajemol: check the forum
[02:11] <jonnyakajemol> what forum?
[02:11] <ThePyromaniac> oskude yea the plug n play from http://ubuntulinux.com/files
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> anyway i can rename it to "Windows HD" or "I hope to Destroy this OS Soon"? lol
[02:12] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jonnyakajemol about restricted
[02:12] <oskude> ThePyromaniac, plugnplay is a "black hole" for me, sry
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> somebody care to hold my hand through the whole procedure:?
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> heh ok
[02:12] <ThePyromaniac> thanks though
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> ....please
[02:12] <jonnyakajemol> i have no idea how to install any programs with ubuntu
[02:12] <oskude> shadeofgrey, yes, ill try :)
[02:12] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay.  lets start from the top
[02:12] <oskude> shadeofgrey, is your second HD at /dev/hdb ?
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> yes
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> and the disks management tool can SEE it - but it wont allow me to create partitions on it for some reason
[02:13] <oskude> shadeofgrey, then "sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb" and make a partition on it
[02:13] <shadeofgrey> odkude:  what kind?  primary or logical? and do i make it bootable?
[02:14] <JMfish05> does cfdisk preserve exiting partitions?
[02:14] <purplefeltangel> can someone tell me hwat to do if an archive is corrupted by being downloaded in ASCII mode?
[02:14] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: How did you download it?
[02:14] <oskude> shadeofgrey, if you just want to save "temporaly" files on it make primary (bootable is just an option for DOS/windows)
[02:15] <nalioth> JMfish05: use gparted
[02:15] <purplefeltangel> jestre wget
[02:15] <clint-> hi all
[02:15] <shadeofgrey> then i write partirtion table to disk correct?
[02:15] <oskude> shadeofgrey, you can make max 3 primary partitions and then only logical partitions
[02:15] <Jestre> From an ftp server?
[02:15] <oskude> shadeofgrey, yup
[02:15] <JMfish05> Thanks nalioth
[02:16] <vanguard> Yo.
[02:16] <oskude> shadeofgrey, and then do "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1" so that you can acces it
[02:16] <purplefeltangel> jestre, yes.
[02:16] <clint-> I am so happy that I am back with ubuntu, and the kde is easy as pie to install, debian 3.1 was a pain for video support right away like ubuntu put my screen up in what it should be, 1280x800, I wonder how I get mp3 , and dvd playback in no problem , and when I pu t a data cd in, with mpeg and mp3,, it runs slow :(
[02:17] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Try using an ftp client, and set binary mode before get'ting it
[02:17] <clint-> I am thankful to the ambition people though who help debian be so much better :)
[02:17] <vanguard> That reminds me how I *had* to install Windows XP because my family hated Ubuntu. This morning my sisters begged me to re-install Ubuntu.
[02:17] <purplefeltangel> jestre: i dont know how to do binary mode, or where to get an FTP client.
[02:17] <oskude> clint-, remind, there would be no ubuntu without debian...
[02:18] <clint-> yep I know :
[02:18] <clint-> :P
[02:18] <clint-> 3.1 sarge was a pain on my laptop though...
[02:18] <oskude> clint-, but i as debian lover, have to say ubuntu rocks :=
[02:18] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Open a terminal, and simply type ftp
[02:18] <clint-> yep
[02:18] <clint-> :)
[02:18] <Jestre> Then type 'open location'
[02:18] <clint-> hi os2mac
[02:18] <clint-> oskude, *
[02:18] <Jestre> To switch to binary mode, simply type it in: > binary
[02:18] <Jestre> or simply bin
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> okay now what
[02:19] <lsald> clint-, i have to agree, ubuntu is right where i wish debian current was
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> jestre, when do i type > binary?
[02:19] <jonnyakajemol> does anyone have the movie aknight's tale that they can send me?
[02:19] <Jestre> At the command prompt, after you've logged into the ftp site
[02:19] <clint-> can you help me with something.. how do I get be able to view and listen to music, and read my pdfs on my ntfs partitions.. I run multiple systems.. I don' tlimit myself , and work with cad, and other things
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> oh, ok
[02:19] <Jestre> And leave off the '>'
[02:19] <crimsun> jonnyakajemol: do -not- ask for warez in this channel.
[02:19] <clint-> lol yep lsald
[02:19] <jonnyakajemol> sorry
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay i can now see it in the disks window.  what do i make the access path
[02:19] <shadeofgrey> ?
[02:19] <purplefeltangel> jestre, how do i know when im logged into the ftp site?
[02:19] <clint-> same :)
[02:19] <Jestre> It'll usually tell you
[02:20] <tcmjr> Guys, were do I report a bug
[02:20] <tcmjr> ?
[02:20] <Jestre> a la "Welcome to x host, etc"
[02:20] <jonnyakajemol> does anyone know how to find the user liz4rd?
[02:20] <kode4u> does anybody could introduce me to a multi-language web mail(based php)?
[02:20] <tcmjr> I get this weird bug when I change the keyboar layout, all my themes changes.
[02:20] <crimsun> tcmjr: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com if it's a package in main, otherwise https://launchpad.net/malone
[02:20] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i think i'm doing something wrong
[02:20] <clint-> the thing is, it is very smart if someone wants to use kubuntu. to just install ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get the full benefits of both environments
[02:21] <oskude> shadeofgrey, now you have to mount it somewhere, make a dir "sudo mkdir /mnt/mybackup" and then "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/mybackup" and if you want to copy files as normal user do "sudo chmod 777 /mnt/mybackups" (its a dirty solution, but works best for newbies)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hey all - where does one get the debs for the final openoffice.org2?  I think they were somewhere on the ubuntu site?
[02:21] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Where is the hangup?
[02:21] <purplefeltangel> jestre, what?
[02:21] <bimberi> !ooo2
[02:21] <ubotu> Test packages for OpenOffice.org 2 are available - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012520.html
[02:21] <Jestre> "I must be doing something wrong"
[02:21] <clint-> anyone know about what I can do, for optimizing the processes in ubuntu , kubuntu, that I really don't need
[02:22] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i dont know. it says unknown host.
[02:22] <oskude> clint-, google :) (scnr)
[02:22] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Which host?
[02:22] <clint-> and be able to browse my other partitions
[02:22] <clint-> lol
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !tell clint- about mount
[02:22] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i don't know.
[02:22] <lsald> is it rc-update that can remove startup services
[02:22] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to breezy and animated progress bars no longer occur.  Instead, I get a striped progress bar which isn't animated.  Is this on purpose?
[02:22] <clint-> thanks
[02:23] <Jestre> purplefeltangel: Are you trying to download something?  Or where are you seeing that error?
[02:23] <bimberi> clint-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[02:23] <purplefeltangel> jestre, i *think* i'm trying to download something. i don't know.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> thanks bimberi
[02:23] <bimberi> Hobbsee: np :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> bimberi: knew there was a bot command, couldnt for the life of me remember what it was!
[02:24] <Jestre> um
[02:24] <lsald> nm, it's update-rc.d
[02:24] <EddieDaMan> how different is kubuntu next to ubuntu?
[02:25] <lsald> EddieDaMan, it is the same, just with KDE
[02:25] <EddieDaMan> ic
[02:25] <clint-> its in the KDE environment..
[02:25] <lsald> EddieDaMan, same goes for xubuntu
[02:25] <cribeiro> EddieDaMan: Gnome vs KDE.
[02:25] <bimberi> Hobbsee: i uses something like "listvals openoffice" (in a /query ubotu window)
[02:25] <oskude> EddieDaMan, Ubuntu = linux distribution, kubuntu = a package under ubuntu
[02:25] <clint-> both are nice to be in
[02:25] <shadeofgrey> oskude:  okay...  now when all 122 thousand files copy overthere i can just blow away hda1 and do a fresh install of ubuntu right?  but once the fresh install is ready how do i get it to see the /mnt/filedump ?
[02:25] <DonL> lsald, did xubuntu become real? Last I heard it was just a rumour
[02:25] <bimberi> Hobbsee: There's some other tips at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[02:25] <Hobbsee> !xubuntu
[02:25] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[02:26] <clint-> EddieDaMan,
[02:26] <Hobbsee> bimberi: ah, useufl
[02:26] <lsald> Debian's popularity contest shows that more people prefer kde
[02:26] <lsald> I always thought gnome was the leader
[02:26] <clint-> yeah
[02:26] <nytryx|Ibook> how do i get aptget to just download the pkg?
[02:26] <clint-> however, people using KDE because of its clear appearance and being attractive
[02:27] <oskude> shadeofgrey, after reinstall (or what ever) your /dev/hdb1 will be there (if you dont overwrite it), and just mount it on the new system like you did right now
[02:27] <clint-> you should see the screenshots I got from debian, and in 1 of them, was a fav of mine, and it was in gnome.. imagine that :P
[02:27] <lsald> nytryx|Ibook, just sudo apt-get install PGKNAME
[02:27] <DonL> clint-, not to get into a flame war, but that's just what I like about Gnome. Oh well, to each his own
[02:27] <bimberi> nytryx|Ibook: apt-get -d install <package>
[02:27] <clint-> lol I like them both
[02:27] <nytryx|Ibook> ty
[02:27] <DonL> Actually so do I
[02:27] <clint-> I don't limit myself to systems. .I am working with FreeBSD 6.0 now.. PC BSD was very very fast
[02:28] <clint-> and installed in 12 minutes lol.. but keyboard tricky.. >_<
[02:28] <sethk> clint-, I also like netbsd
[02:28] <DonL> clint-, I tried PC BSD, but somehow failed the install
[02:28] <clint-> cool
[02:28] <clint-> ah
[02:28] <oskude> whats PC BSD ?
[02:28] <DonL> I have popcorn slax on a live disk that I like too
[02:28] <clint-> bummmer, but actually my feel on unix.. the support is more for linux, and thats where I kind of like because unix can be quite fustrating
[02:29] <Xaios> Can anyone point me to a site with a guid to installing a Crystal Audio card in ubuntu.. I did it a long long time ago in Debian Sarge with someones help, but I cant remember how to do it, Thanks!
[02:29] <nytryx|Ibook> ok it tells me that the dependicies are'nt met when i have the dependencies install already how do i get it to see this?
[02:29] <lsald> DonL, I just tried a slackware ppc port called slackintosh. I ended up coming back to ubuntu. It's spoiled me.
[02:29] <clint-> Ubuntu , I about jumped off my chair when it put my resolution in 1280x800 my max what my new lapto can do, I mean its not the fastest, but I got it for free from my College, Robert Morris,, Acer Aspire 3610,
[02:30] <marktt>  dpkg --force-all --install /media/cdrom/pool/main/g/gnome*/* gets me back a lot of gnome.
[02:30] <DonL> lsald, Yes, I tried the latest Mepis, and ended up back here as well. Ubuntu just rocks
[02:30] <ursine> anyone here know how to fix linux sound problems?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> !sound
[02:31] <ubotu> I guess sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:31] <clint-> Crystal Bright, and debian, I had to reconfigure x, and its alot to go through. the solution is simple.. you want support, less time consuming,, join the million others in ubuntu. lol
[02:31] <ursine> anyone know commands that can gather config settings for sound stuff?
[02:31] <lsald> DonL, ubuntu has the largest repository for ppc, well more so than any other distro i have tried in the past (debian excluded)
[02:31] <Xaios> Thanks Hobbsee
[02:31] <DonL> That's one smart bot
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Xaios: not a clue sorry, but have you tried google?
[02:31] <clint-> UrbanFox,
[02:31] <clint-> ursine,
[02:31] <clint-> ->   www.linuxcommand.org   www.linuxforum.com
[02:31] <eternalist> Anyone have any success setting up a radeon 9550 or 9600 with full 3d acceleration on here?
[02:31] <Xaios> Yeah Ive found a site that someone had a problem with mandrake and RH 9.. but no ubuntu
[02:31] <DonL> lsald, what Mac are you running?
[02:32] <Xaios> guess no one wants to run Ubuntu on an old Dell OptiPlex GXa
[02:32] <clint-> yep
[02:32] <vanguard> I'm running Ubuntu on an old Dell Dimension 4300.
[02:32] <oskude> well, the problem with sound (and gfx) cards is that the makers wont open their specs = hard for "linux" developers to integrate...
[02:32] <lsald> DonL, I have Breezy on my mac mini, and an older ibook g4 800 12"
[02:32] <ursine> linuxcommand is on shell scripting. I see no sound stuf
[02:32] <clint-> I have tried many linux systems and unix on this laptop, and my workstation, Ubuntu seems to have the best hard ware support,  and they have my  full fledge support as IT in RMC
[02:32] <DonL> lsald, are you dual-booting?
[02:32] <Xaios> man 300mhz but ubuntu still runs alright :)
[02:32] <paulproteus> clint-: "RMC"?
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, of course
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, give fluxbox a try, itll be lightening fast
[02:33] <eternalist> Xaios, forget gnome
[02:33] <lsald> DonL, as soon as they finish up with that broadcom airport project i'll be happy
[02:33] <oskude> clint-, its not that ubuntu has better support that others, they are just better "auto-configured"
[02:33] <clint-> robert morris college m8, in computer science, network specialist, it, just got in sept of 2005 this year
[02:33] <paulproteus> clint-: Cool. :)
[02:33] <clint-> IT* in future
[02:33] <pixelmonkey> anyone here know why my clearlooks theme doesn't use animated progress bars and such anymore in my upgrade from hoary -> breezy?
[02:33] <clint-> ty
[02:33] <lsald> DonL, I am dual booting on the ibook for wifi purposes
[02:33] <DonL> Ah. Ok
[02:33] <clint-> lsald,  don' tblame ya
[02:34] <paulproteus> lsald: I would if only I hadn't lost my OS X DVD.
[02:34] <oskude> pixelmonkey, even thou "apt-get upgrade" sound good, its not flawless...
[02:34] <clint-> vmware just isn't worth running ubuntu in, thats a slam on ubuntu.. :P
[02:34] <Xaios> eternalist, Actually I was looking to build a box just for ubuntu and other sandbox goodies care to take a look?
[02:34] <paulproteus> I hear the reverse engineering progress for the Airport Extreme is going well, though.
[02:34] <oskude> for mac users, have you tried yellowdog-linux ?
[02:35] <pixelmonkey> oskude, I agree.  Just wondering what the issue could be.
[02:35] <eternalist> Xaios, sure
[02:35] <ursine> does yellowdog even exist anymore?
[02:35] <clint-> oskude,  they would probably be best for using FreeBSD 6.0, or just to make it simple PC BSD what, freebsd in kde .. bsd in general what mac os x is built on
[02:35] <DonL> oskude, that's like Fedora, isn't it?
[02:35] <Xaios> Hold p let me put up the newegg shopping cart wishlist
[02:35] <lsald> paulproteus, ever since they released the specs it has been easier for the developers
[02:35] <All_Ex> hi new friends :] 
[02:35] <paulproteus> lsald: Uh, you mean reverse engineered the specs from the MIPS driver.
[02:36] <jmhodges> anyoneknow how to get MathML to show up properly in Firefox?
[02:36] <eternalist> whats the command to see what irc client someone is running
[02:36] <paulproteus> lsald: I'm on both the reverse-engineer-some-specs-from-a-driver and write-a-driver-from-some-specs mailing lists. :)
[02:36] <paulproteus> eternalist: /ctcp version <username>
[02:36] <oskude> pixelmonkey, hmm, its like changing a ford engine to a mercedes auto, it may fit but... (dont aske me why apt-get upgrade doesnt work, it just doesnt :)
[02:36] <clint-> and I put Fedora Core 1 and Fedore Core 4 on my laptop lost it, I wanted to smoke some weed I was pissed at the touchpad wasn't working how expected
[02:36] <paulproteus> usually, anyway.
[02:36] <jmhodges> this is on breezy
[02:36] <Urthmover> wow freeNX is really fast
[02:36] <lsald> paulproteus, no, broadcom has released, officially, the chipset specs
[02:36] <paulproteus> lsald: Not that I've heard of....
[02:37] <Urthmover> usable fast
[02:37] <paulproteus> lsald: URL?
[02:37] <eternalist> i want to write a script that cycles thru everyone and looks for the string mirc just to see how many ppl are running windows but are on here lol
[02:37] <paulproteus> Urthmover: How did you install it?
[02:37] <eternalist> or wining mirc.
[02:37] <All_Ex> i wont ask to ask so here i just installer my first linux built "ubuntu" my friend helped me out  from here but now he told me i must install my kernel to get my ati radeon 9800 pro working cause in the installation it says the were some errors so how do i install the kernel? ;] 
[02:37] <ursine> anyway, anyone know about sound stuff?
[02:37] <Urthmover> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[02:37] <Urthmover> just did that quick little guide
[02:37] <oskude> Urthmover, well, i boot my desktop only once a day (so that what is used by ubuntu suits me) (but for laptops i think this is an issue..)
[02:37] <bimberi> Urthmover: working for you now :)
[02:38] <Urthmover> and I've barely clocked 10 hours on linux
[02:38] <korhalf> ls
[02:38] <korhalf> woops wrong window lol
[02:38] <clint-> if people want to run more than 2 operating systems.. on 1 hard drive. your best bet is to use Acronis Disk Director Suite9, it has the great OS Selector and awesome for editing partitions, creating, resizing, especially for people tryin to have more than 2 on a laptop,
[02:38] <ursine> ?
[02:38] <Urthmover> I don't understand your point oskude
[02:38] <synackuator> has anyone gotten eclipse to work in breezy?
[02:38] <ursine> grub and the ubuntu installer seem to work fine
[02:38] <clint-> we all know the story on Partition Magic by Symantec. and probably users with paragon. they have not proven there stability to me
[02:38] <cge> Has anyone else had wnck use 100% cpu in dapper?
[02:38] <paulproteus> synackuator: Yeah, I just downloaded it from Sun and it works fine.
[02:39] <clint-> synackuator,  yep
[02:39] <paulproteus> s/Sun/eclipse.org/
[02:39] <crimsun> eclipse-platform in universe should work fine, too.
[02:39] <synackuator> i mean from apt-gte
[02:39] <synackuator> *apt-get
[02:39] <lsald> paulproteus, you're right, it was the raid drivers they released, my bad
[02:39] <nthwaver> All_Ex: how can you install the ubuntu OS without installing the linux kernel?  Doesn't make sense to me.
[02:39] <oskude> Urthmover, you about freeNX
[02:39] <korhalf> are there any emulators for linux?
[02:39] <Urthmover> odd nthwaver
[02:39] <lsald> paulproteus, so yeah, thanks to all of those reverse engineers
[02:39] <korhalf> like gameboy emulators or anything?
[02:39] <ursine> anyone familiar with linux sound troubles? I think ubuntu came with the driver, but I get no sound
[02:39] <DonL> Maybe it's the Linux source code he's after
[02:39] <Urthmover> well osk.....I have the ubuntu workstation at work
[02:40] <Urthmover> and I use a laptop
[02:40] <lsald> ursine, what chipset?
[02:40] <clint-> korhalf, , vmware, win4lin, what you need
[02:40] <Urthmover> from home
[02:40] <Urthmover> or whatever
[02:40] <ursine> soundmax
[02:40] <Urthmover> so freenx gives me better performance than vnc
[02:40] <Xenguy> Urthmover: yes it does
[02:40] <crimsun> Urthmover: yes?
[02:40] <crimsun> argh
[02:40] <crimsun> Urthmover: sorry
[02:40] <synackuator> has anyone not received their ubuntu CDs?
[02:40] <crimsun> ursine: yes?
[02:40] <clint-> you have to have required develpment files gcc etc.. c files .. headers and all and source to work with virtual emulators. is that wat you mean?
[02:40] <synackuator> because i haven't :(
[02:40] <Urthmover> I was struggling getting something to forward X11
[02:40] <Urthmover> couldn't get anything to work right
[02:40] <pocho> hi guys
[02:41] <DonL> I've had them on order forever, since the start of the last one, and haven't got mine
[02:41] <clint-> hi UrbanFox
[02:41] <clint-> grr. Urthmover
[02:41] <nthwaver> I ordered Badger maybe a week or two ago, and haven't gotten it yet
[02:41] <Urthmover> do you think that is more stable performance than even FreeNX?
[02:41] <crimsun> ursine: I need more details.
[02:41] <pocho> help plz
[02:41] <nthwaver> I'm not complaining - I didn't even pay them or anything
[02:41] <dabaR> ask
[02:41] <Xenguy> Urthmover: did you get freenx working then?
[02:41] <ursine> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:41] <_jason> synackuator, nthwaver mine took about 6 or 7 weeks to arrive
[02:41] <crimsun> nthwaver: a week or two?! People who ordered half a year ago are now getting theirs.
[02:41] <korhalf> clint-, no i mean like Gameboy emulators lol
[02:41] <DonL> nthwaver, exactly. Can't really complain, can you
[02:41] <korhalf> clint-, or arcade emulators
[02:41] <crimsun> nthwaver: so just be patient, k?
[02:41] <wickedpuppy> nthwaver, i ordered it 2 months ago ...
[02:41] <oskude> Urthmover, what i wanted to say is, freeNX is not standardly used by ubuntu, so if you add new direvrs/hardware ubuntu like, it propably wont be in freeNX (dunno, never used that) but the point is boot speed, and for my desktop i boot it once a day so boot time is like "who cares" but on laptops faster boot time IS an issues...
[02:42] <pocho> i need help  for install gxiso?
[02:42] <synackuator> _jason, sheesh, i'm going on like 3 months now
[02:42] <nthwaver> Finally giving up and downloading the ISO
[02:42] <clint-> oh yeah, you can do that. but I hanvn't done that yet
[02:42] <crimsun> ursine: paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> if you are having trouble with X forwarding
[02:42] <clint-> linux just takes ambition people and patience. and its worth it , in the long run
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> nx is not likely to make it simpler
[02:42] <DonL> That's what I did, but I'd like to give them out to friends, and the professionally done ones are nice
[02:42] <_jason> synackuator, if you pay the shipping i'll send you one of mine lol
[02:43] <nthwaver> I'm patient.  Someone else asked about it.
[02:43] <lsald> ursine, is that part of collection that intel has released linux binary drivers for?
[02:43] <guardian_> anyone know how to fix broken /dev/* permissions in breezy?
[02:43] <clint-> I've bounce from so many different distributions, to solid base 1's to even unix systems, and live cd's just to see what I would be happy with
[02:43] <clint-> the funny thing is, always seems to be something in all that I really like that 1 hasn't got, and something in 1 that I don't like, but has other values
[02:43] <synackuator> _jason, mostly i need them to hand to people, about 20 to be precise
[02:43] <Xaios> Hrm cant get newegg to show my wishlist...
[02:43] <Urthmover> well oskude we must not be communicating well...How does FreeNX make a difference with boot speed?
[02:43] <pocho> somenoe  has downloaded xbox games?
[02:43] <rixth> I have the totem plugin installed for Moziulla. How di I remove it?
[02:43] <crimsun> lsald: they're supported by ALSA natively.
[02:43] <rixth> do
[02:44] <mily> eyy, como c pone arroba??
[02:44] <mily> en el ubuntu
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: if it has to start on boot
[02:44] <Xaios> pocho, I dont think this is the right channel for that...
[02:44] <harris> has anyone here installed snex9x ?
[02:44] <clint-> now with the support of having usb flash drives to be able to boot systems from. people are going to just luv the way technology has come :)
[02:44] <rixth> !ubuntu-es
[02:44] <ubotu> rixth: Do they come in packets of five?
[02:44] <rixth> !es
[02:44] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:44] <oskude> Urthmover, dunno, i have just heard that it makes booting faster...
[02:44] <clint-> harris,  you can get it for lin
[02:44] <Urthmover> does it really take THAT much extra though HrdwrBoB?
[02:44] <lsald> crimsun, so what could ursines problem be
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> it doesn't
[02:44] <DonL> harris, I have wonderful luck with Zsnes
[02:44] <clint-> thats for windows
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> however it's a hideous hack
[02:44] <ursine> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/4816
[02:45] <harris> did you get zsnes from the synatic package manager> donl?
[02:45] <sethk> HrdwrBoB, do you know any beatiful hacks?
[02:45] <ursine> I don't know where the drivers came from. they were with ubuntu
[02:45] <clint-> lol
[02:45] <DonL> harris, yes, I believe so
[02:45] <sethk> beautiful
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> sethk: yes there's a few
[02:45] <Urthmover> so back to my latest question.....what would be better FreeNX or X11forwarding to a local Xserver?
[02:45] <clint-> :] 
[02:45] <harris> once I download the package where do I find it on my comp?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: step 1: ssh -X server
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> step 2: run X program
[02:45] <crimsun> Urthmover: mute 'Line Jack Sense'
[02:45] <harris> cause I downloaded and installed snes9x but don't know how to find it
[02:45] <crimsun> gar
[02:45] <crimsun> Urthmover: sorry again
[02:46] <crimsun> ursine: mute 'Line Jack Sense'
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> foap no ippimnagr poskavitep korro?
[02:46] <lsald> harris, did you install with apt?
[02:46] <DonL> harris, in a terminal, type zsnes
[02:46] <harris> i did so through synapatic
[02:46] <Urthmover> hmm
[02:46] <DonL> ...or whatever
[02:46] <harris> ah, so you have to use the terminal
[02:46] <Urthmover> I'll try HrdwrBoB
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> porros iepuno fas lokopan?
[02:46] <oskude> Urthmover, OMG, i was on a wrong track again... some how though about initNX (or what ever thats called)
[02:46] <nthwaver> how do you add shortcuts to the GUI panel?
[02:46] <DonL> harris, you may have to manually add it to a menu
[02:46] <oskude> no beer for oskude anymore :)
[02:46] <clint-> what would people do if there was no irc... LOL
[02:46] <purplefeltangel> korro poskavitep iepuno naskam fi saddi?
[02:46] <Octane> anyone know what package, if any, i need in order to have k3b be able to burn audio cd's?
[02:47] <ursine> excellent
[02:47] <APACHE^_^> hola de todos los que estan aqui nuevos que acaban de entrar alguien me puede decir como montar mi memoria USB
[02:47] <harris> how would you go about doing that.... ?
[02:47] <_jason> !es
[02:47] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:47] <crimsun> APACHE^_^: ingles solamente
[02:47] <kfault> Hi, I wanted to know if its possible to run UML in Ubuntu with a 2.6.12 kernel?
[02:47] <ioboss> hi, somebody can tell me what means (realplay.bin:13373): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[02:47] <harris> any help would be much appreciated
[02:47] <crimsun> kfault: sure
[02:47] <purplefeltangel> korro poskavitep iepuno?
[02:47] <APACHE^_^> I have problem with my memory flash USB, I can't mount
[02:48] <kfault> sorry, Im new, what patch do I use?
[02:48] <nthwaver> without IRC we'd probably just bother our techie friends more
[02:48] <ursine> thanks crimsun. sound seems to work fine now
[02:48] <ioboss> :(
[02:48] <crimsun> kfault: you don't need to download any patches.
[02:48] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting
[02:48] <crimsun> ursine: excellent.
[02:48] <oskude> ioboss, hmm, locale has somehthing to do with your language...
[02:48] <Urthmover> suggestions?
[02:48] <nthwaver> y'know, the ones who suggested we switch to linux.  they asked for it.
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: .. wtf
[02:48] <clint-> on the partition post.. I just need something simple so I can read my pdfs, and listen to my music on this ntfs partition I created on my notebook that has my data on it. thats all.. nothing complicated.. :)
[02:48] <ursine> do I need to do something to save the settings so they will be there on next boot?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you don't START X
[02:48] <kfault> crimsun: So what do I need to do?
[02:48] <nthwaver> j/k
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> you run X programs
[02:48] <DonL> Octane, check out the Ubuntu wiki restricted
[02:48] <purplefeltangel> nana poskavitep iepuno??
[02:48] <All_Ex> theres too mutch action in here to ask a question :P
[02:48] <purplefeltangel> na?
[02:48] <ioboss> oskude, ah.. thankx...  what i can do?
[02:48] <oskude> clint-, NTFS is a partition from MS, ask them ;)
[02:48] <APACHE^_^>  I have problem with my memory flash USB, I can't mount, I not speak English
[02:48] <Urthmover> that's when I putty from this home lapp to my office
[02:48] <clint-> yep I agree
[02:49] <Octane> DonL: which wiki please?
[02:49] <DonL> Octane, just a sec
[02:49] <clint-> lmao oskude , I know there is something i have to do with volume management lol I will just read my books lol
[02:49] <oskude> ioboss, dunno, sry (locale should e installed in "standard" ubuntu)
[02:49] <kfault> crimsun: The howto in the UML website said I needed to download the latest UML patch and the matching kernel
[02:49] <clint-> then when you have a question.. I will answer it. with a smile :)
[02:49] <kfault> isnt it right?
[02:49] <_jason> APACHE^_^, go to $ubuntu-es spanish there, type: /join #ubuntu-es
[02:49] <Urthmover> well is there a way to get the desktop other than vnc or freenx?
[02:49] <clint-> netop
[02:49] <clint-> of course there is :)
[02:49] <Octane> DonL: i got it, its k3b-mp3
[02:49] <crimsun> kfault: just install uml-utilities, download an image, and have at it.
[02:50] <harris> ok i got zsnes to run, do you need roms for it?
[02:50] <crimsun> kfault: we already support uml
[02:50] <marcelo_> ola alguem do br
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: you want the desktop that it's currently using?
[02:50] <harris> or does it come with them>
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> NX can't do that
[02:50] <clint-> -->   http://www.netop.com
[02:50] <kreatine> i'm looking to set up a file/printer server using ubuntu what are the minimum requirements i have a machine in the closet p2 266 would it do the job?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> only VNC can, through vino
[02:50] <_jason> !br
[02:50] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigado.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: that will do it
[02:50] <clint-> Urthmover,
[02:50] <ioboss> oskude, ok, tnx, i try apt-get install locale
[02:50] <oskude> clint-, the thing is NTFS is a FS type from MS that they won share, but there are some reverseengineering frivers for it, so PLEASE do complain on bill about that :)
[02:50] <Urthmover> ok what is I don't care and I want a different desktop?
[02:50] <DonL> Octane, good. okay
[02:50] <oskude> *won = wont
[02:50] <Octane> DonL: thanks man
[02:50] <DonL> no problem
[02:50] <clint-> lol
[02:50] <Urthmover> is=if
[02:51] <clint-> I reverse engineer things myself.. its no problem :)
[02:51] <oskude> clint-, yeah, sounds lol, but thats how it is
[02:51] <clint-> Winternals Admin pak 5, Ultimate boot cd, its all good..  :-)
[02:51] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: what is the best way to connect to the desktop of my office ubuntu workstation?
[02:51] <Red-Sox> when I try to open firefox, some account thing comes up and when I try to open default, it says its in use and when i creat a new account, none of my bookmarks are there
[02:51] <clint-> erasing hard drives is my fav thing to do, even remote recover a system . :-)
[02:52] <Urthmover> vnc is chuggy.....unless you have some special tweaks that pep it up
[02:52] <kfault> crimsun: Well, what package do I need to install or what do I need to do to to run it?
[02:52] <kreatine> HrdwrBoB which version should i download? latest?
[02:52] <coz> Hello,
[02:52] <kreatine> which one do you like best?
[02:52] <crimsun> kfault: I just told you.
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: yes
[02:52] <Xaios> Is there a program that I can use to manage devices such as a sound card?
[02:52] <coz>  I have a shrotcut ciy to opne the cd tray bu is there a way to assign one to close the tray? o maybe
[02:52] <_jason> Red-Sox, firefox may already be open.. .try in a terminal: killall firefox-bin
[02:52] <coz> autoclose after about 6 xeconds
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> kreatine: the desktop won't work well
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> but as a server it will be fine
[02:52] <crimsun> Xaios: manage in what way? There's a default sound card selector in System> Preferences> Sound
[02:52] <kfault> crimsun: Oh, im sorry I didnt see that
[02:52] <DonL> Red-Sox, do you have another copy of firefox running somewhere else? You might try logging out and back int
[02:52] <DonL> in
[02:52] <clint-> well I will just steal xandros's  file system ideas :)
[02:53] <kfault> crimsun: Thanks a lot
[02:53] <crimsun> kfault: np
[02:53] <Xaios> crimsun: I need to install the driver for my sound card, I know which card is is and I know its in the  alsa package, but no idea how to do it
[02:53] <clint-> I don't have to ask bill osk, because want to see how I see it,
[02:53] <clint-> " In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"
[02:54] <ioboss> oskude, can u see http://www.phpfi.com/87929?
[02:54] <ioboss> oskude, can u see http://www.phpfi.com/87929 ?
[02:54] <Xaios> crimsun: basically I need to install the sound card, since ubuntu cant seem to auto detect it :-\
[02:54] <crimsun> Xaios: what card?
[02:54] <APACHE^_^> I Like it is channel
[02:55] <Urthmover> HrdwrBoB: ok so I guess freeNX is the best graphical remote app for linux
[02:55] <Urthmover> right?
[02:55] <Xaios> Its a Crystal Chipset
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> Urthmover: sort of
[02:55] <Xaios> I remember that much from the last time I tried Debian
[02:55] <oskude> ioboss, i get an not found error
[02:55] <crimsun> Xaios: snd-cs$foo, then.
[02:55] <Urthmover> or can VNC be tweaked enough to operate quicker
[02:55] <Red-Sox> DonL, how do you get to the accounts, because I already created a new one
[02:55] <APACHE^_^> I not speak Englis, learning with us
[02:55] <APACHE^_^> jajajajaja
[02:55] <harris> thanks for the help donl
[02:55] <crimsun> Xaios: which computer, a laptop?
[02:55] <harris> peace
[02:55] <Urthmover> I've done all the normal stuff.....no background.....loq colors.....still chuggy
[02:55] <Xaios> crimsun: Dell OptiPlex GXa
[02:56] <sethk> Urthmover, if you want to have a remote desktop for linux, you use X with XDMCP, and that's all you need
[02:56] <oskude> !paste-bin
[02:56] <ubotu> No idea, oskude
[02:56] <DonL> Red-Sox, I had that problem a while ago. Don't remember what I did, but I managed to get everything back somehow
[02:56] <oskude> how was that bin thing called ?
[02:56] <ioboss> oskude, sorry at the end there's Pango-error.. but what i can do?
[02:56] <_jason> Red-Sox, in a terminal: firefox -profilemanager  (you might need a dash in between profile and manager)
[02:56] <clint-> Urthmover,
[02:56] <Red-Sox> okay
[02:56] <crimsun> Xaios: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[02:56] <clint-> are you even going check out what I told you?
[02:57] <dabaR> oskude: paste.ubuntulinux.nl, pastebin.com
[02:57] <Xaios> Yay!!
[02:57] <Xaios> crimsun: Thanks man!
[02:57] <oskude> dabaR, thnx :)
[02:57] <DonL> Red-Sox, you might google it if nobody here can help.
[02:57] <Red-Sox> _jason, DonL: THANK YOU SOOO SOOO SOOO MUCH
[02:57] <Red-Sox> !!
[02:57] <ubotu> I heard ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[02:57] <_jason> Red-Sox, yw
[02:57] <oskude> ioboss, try to pase at  paste.ubuntulinux.nl or pastebin.com
[02:58] <Urthmover> sethk: do you have any help getting it going on ubuntu?
[02:58] <crimsun> Xaios: np
[02:58] <Urthmover> cause I can't seem to get it working right
[02:58] <Urthmover> and I've been at it for a hours
[02:58] <sethk> Urthmover, xdmcp?  You just edit your gdm and xdm config files, find the comments about it, and uncomment them
[02:58] <sethk> Urthmover, very easy, and you'll have a remote desktop identical to being on the machine
[02:58] <EnglishStan> still having probs myself, i am unable to sort it out
[02:59] <Urthmover> well that's sounds good and easy to womone that actually knows linux
[02:59] <sethk> Urthmover, it's easy anyway
[02:59] <ioboss> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4817
[02:59] <Urthmover> since I don't very well what are the path names at least?
[02:59] <ioboss> oskude, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4817
[02:59] <oskude> ioboss, sec
[02:59] <sethk> Urthmover, /etc/X11/gdm, and /etc/X11/xdm
[02:59] <Urthmover> +s
[02:59] <sethk> Urthmover, I believe you need the one in gdm, but I haven't done it for a few weeks and I'd have to check
[03:00] <Urthmover> oh please check
[03:00] <Urthmover> thanks
[03:00] <clint-> Urthmover,
[03:00] <sethk> Urthmover, yes, it's in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
[03:00] <clint-> >_<
[03:00] <DonL> Must go for now. Night folks
[03:00] <sethk> clint-, what are you trying to tell him?
[03:00] <Urthmover> ok
[03:00] <sethk> clint-, I missed it
[03:00] <clint-> tryin to tell him.. vnc is not his only solutin.. netop bam
[03:00] <clint-> ->  www.netop.com
[03:00] <sethk> clint-, right
[03:01] <khermans_> Can someone tell me how to install a custom startup service?  I want a package to run on boot!
[03:01] <oskude> ioboss, did you compiled that by yourself ?
[03:01] <ioboss> oskude, http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=127804 :|
[03:01] <clint-> I am going to school for network specialist Urthmover ., I use many of other things and want to be a powerful open source programmer.. just because its fun.. cross platform and internet security I care alot about. .nfr :D
[03:01] <ioboss> no i have installed a bin
[03:01] <ioboss> as was wrote in the guide
[03:01] <oskude> ioboss, istalled a bin ?
[03:02] <ioboss> i have downlaod a from website realplaer and type ./real..
[03:02] <Urthmover> sethk: I don't have an /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
[03:02] <clint-> I got a while to catch up to  these novices :P
[03:02] <Urthmover> :-(
[03:02] <sethk> Urthmover, that's odd.  let me double check the name
[03:02] <oskude> ioboss, well, i cant any FR and if you didnt install it with "apt-get" you better ask in the programs mailing-list/forums...
[03:02] <dino`> what can i add to /etc/apt/sources.list so i can install VLC safe and easy?
[03:03] <Urthmover> thanks sethk
[03:03] <ioboss> oskude, ok, thanks..
[03:03] <ioboss> oskude, see you
[03:03] <oskude> ioboss, cu
[03:03] <sethk> Urthmover, sorry, that's the path on fedora.  on ubuntu it is /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[03:03] <Urthmover> ah trying that now
[03:04] <Urthmover> thanks man
[03:04] <sethk> Urthmover, too many windows on my desktop  :)
[03:04] <Urthmover> right
[03:04] <Urthmover> so after gdm.conf you mentioned another file too that needs editing?
[03:05] <bimberi> dino`: enable the universe repository (uncomment it in sources.list)
[03:06] <surfdue> hey
[03:06] <kfault> crimsun: Im sorry to bother you again, I already download and decompressed the image, now how do I run it?
[03:06] <oskude> btw. has anyone heard of a newbie tutorial about partitioning and formatting using a piece of paper as relation ?
[03:06] <surfdue> ok guys how do i get my gigafast pci card to be reconized by breezy?
[03:07] <pixelmonkey> anyone getting a crash adding tomboy to their panel in breezy?
[03:07] <clint-> oskude,
[03:07] <oskude> pixelmonkey, whats tomboy ?
[03:07] <crimsun> kfault: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/run.html  for instance
[03:07] <clint-> best thing to do, is just use power tools like TechSmith Camtasia, and even use it like vmware and make videos available to people world wide.. anyone can do it. ubuntu can offer that next :D
[03:07] <kfault> crimsun: thanks
[03:08] <clint-> and by using full screen.. how will they know its a virtual machine .. :P
[03:08] <khermans_> How can I add something to run at boot time?
[03:08] <oskude> clint-, theres also istanbul and xvidcap..
[03:08] <pixelmonkey> oskude, note-taking application
[03:08] <clint-> ah
[03:08] <clint-> for open source?
[03:08] <tcmjr> Can I use synaptics to update the kernel to my system architeture (Athlon) ?
[03:08] <bob2> surfdue: power down. plug it in. power up. all done.
[03:08] <surfdue> it dosnt?
[03:09] <krak`nix> anyone know how to re-enable movie files generating a little preview image for their icon?
[03:09] <surfdue> dostn detect it?
[03:09] <oskude> pixelmonkey, well, dont see it in my "right click panel">"add to panel" so, ask the authors..
[03:09] <bob2> surfdue: what does "doesn't detect it" mean?
[03:09] <Xenguy> Are any of the xdm's noticeably faster than others?
[03:09] <bob2> surfdue: lspci doewn't list it? dmesg doesn't mention it?
[03:09] <surfdue> the kernal dosnt see the card?
[03:09] <bob2> Xenguy: no
[03:09] <surfdue> no
[03:09] <PBanks> what can i do in ubuntu thats better than windows xp?
[03:09] <clint-> cool.. I Like that  .. thanks oskude  :-)
[03:09] <Xenguy> tx
[03:09] <PBanks> i mean
[03:09] <bob2> surfdue: you're being too vague
[03:09] <oskude> pixelmonkey, but theres "Sticky notes"
[03:09] <surfdue> the card does light up
[03:09] <bob2> Xenguy: xdm probably starts faster than the others, tho
[03:09] <bob2> 13:09:31           bob2 | surfdue: lspci doewn't list it? dmesg doesn't mention it?
[03:09] <surfdue> the computer dosnt notice i have the card into it?
[03:10] <PBanks> is the main advantage of ubuntu that its free?
[03:10] <bob2> PBanks: write free software
[03:10] <bob2> PBanks: no
[03:10] <khermans_> Isn't there some way to make a program run when the cimputer starts up?
[03:10] <PBanks> and pretty decent
[03:10] <dabaR> crimsun: OK. I am wondering...I think I had started my esd using "nohup esd&", a few days ago, or so. Now, I came home, and I see that my esd that I left on stopped playing, and it is because of esd, I restarted esd now(started it only really). I had this happen before that I come home, and for some reason my esd has stopped working. Why is that?
[03:10] <PBanks> for a free os :)
[03:10] <PBanks> actually its the best free os
[03:10] <tcmjr> Can I use synaptics to update the kernel to my system architeture (Athlon) ?
[03:10] <PBanks> #1 on distrowatch
[03:10] <Xenguy> bob2: oh, that's what I meant I guess - do any of the *dm's start-up faster than the others?
[03:10] <PBanks> bob2:  Write free software? :P
[03:10] <bob2> PBanks: distrowatch's statistics aren't of any use
[03:10] <oskude> clint-, but i havent found a ubuntu deb for xvidcap, but i somehow got it to work... (dont ask why :)
[03:11] <khermans_> tcmjr, yes -- use linux-image-k7
[03:11] <clint-> oskude, , when I do the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, after it done, it ask me for gdm or kdm.. the display manager thing. do I have to check anything? or can I go through this again. and maybe you give me some tips
[03:11] <PBanks> bob2:  i like free software but i havent found anything significant yet
[03:11] <Xenguy> bob2: but you answered that question already, so nm
[03:11] <bob2> surfdue: you need to answer those two questions
[03:11] <holy_cow> PBanks, ubuntu comes with 16 000 applications
[03:11] <dabaR> PBanks: It seems you do not understand that we acll software free because it gives us freedom, not cause it is free of charge.
[03:11] <holy_cow> a lot of them server / enterprise class
[03:11] <tcmjr> khermans_, I just need to install there and it will do all the job ?
[03:11] <clint-> if your not to busy and all :-)
[03:11] <holy_cow> and lotsall the way down to whatever
[03:11] <PBanks> dabar:  Thats fine, i like freedom
[03:11] <bob2> PBanks: lots of people use ubuntu because they just prefer it to every other OS
[03:11] <All_Ex> clint they aerw
[03:11] <PBanks> bob2:  I hear ya
[03:11] <All_Ex> they are
[03:11] <holy_cow> to get the same in th emicrosoft world you would need a minimum of 1/2 million dollars
[03:12] <clint-> listening
[03:12] <holy_cow> plus who knows how much in yearly licencing renewal fees
[03:12] <oskude> clint-, gdm and kdm are the login screens (that where you give you username and password) so you can use what ever you want gdm, kdm or the light weight xdm.
[03:12] <holy_cow> PBanks, most people don't understand what they are actually getting, because they stole most of their windows software
[03:12] <surfdue> actually it does show my card in lspci
[03:12] <surfdue> ohh
[03:12] <holy_cow> PBanks, the kernel alone was valued a while ago at 600$ million dollars
[03:12] <clint-> k
[03:13] <holy_cow> meaning that is how much it would of cost to develop it if it was done the closed source way
[03:13] <clint-> it ask me to check 1 , after it done installing the kde packages. do I have to check it?
[03:13] <khermans_> tcmjr, basically
[03:13] <tcmjr> khermans_, thanks will try that
[03:13] <pztak1> can someone pls do me a favor and test if you can ssh to 207.237.206.139 (i want to check if it works from outside my lan).. thanks!
[03:13] <holy_cow> PBanks, you could very easily hit the 1 billion dollar mark in terms of software worth depending on how you slice the numbers, so 'free' as in free beer is not really something people have a good grasp of
[03:13] <oskude> clint-, well, you can try reboot and see if you get a graphical login screen, if not, install gdm, kdm or xdm...
[03:14] <holy_cow> yes linux is free, you have billions of dollars worth of development at your fingertips and you pay squat for it
[03:14] <holy_cow> BUT
[03:14] <simonvallore> Hello
[03:14] <surfdue> bob2 how do i activate this card, and setup an eth0 for it?
[03:14] <clint-> oh I got the graphical screen and stuff already. I'm just iffy about installing kde again
[03:14] <holy_cow> that isn't what you really get with linux/ubuntu
[03:14] <_jason> I compiled mplayer but have forgotten the config options I used.  Does anyone know how I would see what options were used to compile a program?
[03:14] <PBanks> holy_cow:  yep
[03:14] <holy_cow> what you get is freedom
[03:14] <simonvallore> How do i get all the includes to go with gcc like stdio.h
[03:14] <PBanks> holy_cow:  Ubuntu still has bugs tho
[03:14] <lightbright> hey hey
[03:14] <holy_cow> the freedom from tyrany, the freedom to make your own destiny
[03:14] <bob2> surfdue: there's nothing to "activate"
[03:14] <synackuator> can i download the source code for any app in the ubuntu repositories?
[03:14] <bob2> surfdue: if dmesg and lspci mention it, you just need to configure /etc/network/interfaces
[03:14] <holy_cow> PBanks, thats the dumbes statement ever
[03:14] <tcmjr> what is the best options for a nvidia (fx 5200) card ?
[03:15] <clint-> nothing is perfect. :)
[03:15] <smo> PBanks: show me an OS that doesn't?
[03:15] <bob2> synackuator: of course
[03:15] <PBanks> holy_cow.... like little things.......... install plugin and it fails after 3 times, on the 4th time it installs
[03:15] <bob2> synackuator: that is utterly unrelated to stdio.h, though
[03:15] <holy_cow> PBanks, anything more than 10 lines of code is guaranteed to have bugs
[03:15] <bob2> synackuator: install build-essential
[03:15] <clint-> exactly smo :)
[03:15] <clint-> no OS :D
[03:15] <Xenguy> PBanks: my gawd - all software has bugs (have you ever used Word for instance?)
[03:15] <holy_cow> PBanks, then go back to windows, no one frankly cares
[03:15] <holy_cow> PBanks, no one sold you ubuntu or begged you to use it
[03:15] <ZeroDni> i love it becase it alows a busnise to invest it moeny it to people to setup and maintain it to have better system instaed of paying all that moeny just for the prievlage of using microsofts or macs sofware
[03:16] <synackuator> bob2: can i use apt-src to get source for say...nslookup?
[03:16] <bob2> synackuator: no
[03:16] <holy_cow> heh, excellent
[03:16] <bob2> synackuator: apt-get source dnsutils
[03:16] <synackuator> bob2: then what is apt-src for
[03:16] <simonvallore> How do i get all the includes to go with gcc like stdio.h
[03:16] <bob2> synackuator: read the package description
[03:16] <bob2> simonvallore: install build-essential
[03:16] <bob2> simonvallore: that is in the FAQ
[03:16] <bob2> synackuator: apt-src is dead, more or less
[03:17] <simonvallore> install build-essential thank you ohh great god of faq bob2
[03:17] <synackuator> bob2: o i see.  thanks
[03:17] <lightbright> Ubuntu wont load!  it cant load passed login screen, says maybe full disk but theres 33 gig free!  I can load from safe mode and tying startx, but all my configuration is not the same.  ANy ideas?
[03:17] <simonvallore> only if it werked
[03:17] <clint-> lightbright,  I might be able to help you and take all this weight off all the other regulars
[03:17] <oskude> bob2, thanx for the pointer, even that ive used debian(ubuntu) for 2years "apt-cache source" was new to me, i LOVE LINUX ;)
[03:17] <bob2> simonvallore: please stop being annoying
[03:17] <bob2> simonvallore: if it doesn't work, ask a useful question and paste the error to #flood
[03:18] <simonvallore> ahh it werked
[03:18] <ZeroDni> you may want to reintall gdm or install kdm lightbright
[03:18] <bob2> oskude: hehe
[03:18] <oskude> bob2, eeh apt-get source i ment
[03:18] <kandoora_> why do i get this error when when i open up synaptic http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4818
[03:18] <GigaClon> lightbright, are you sure the disk isn't full
[03:18] <holy_cow>    <-- hehe
[03:18] <simonvallore> HOLY COW
[03:18] <clint-> yeah it is very stable :)
[03:18] <simonvallore> 
[03:18] <bob2> kandoora_: tell it to update, or 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:19] <lightbright> GigaClon, its 33 gig free :P
[03:19] <clint-> oskude,  you should see how fast the Unix File System is.. :-)
[03:19] <oskude> bob2, so "apt-get source xmms-dev" = "apt-get source xmms" ?
[03:19] <lightbright> GigaClon, its installed on a 40gig hard drive, any other ideas?
[03:19] <simonvallore> bob2 how can i change the background color and text color of the terminal
[03:19] <GigaClon> lightbright, is the drive partitioned at all?
[03:19] <clint-> or just take a system, and mount it to ram, 1GB at least.. :P
[03:19] <bob2> oskude: yes, but for a slightly confusing reason
[03:19] <oskude> bob2, sry, ment  "apt-get source xmms" = "apt-get source xmms-dev" ?
[03:19] <lightbright> ZeroDni, how would I reinstall gdm?
[03:19] <bob2> simonvallore: depends on your terminal
[03:19] <bob2> oskude: yes
[03:19] <kandoora_> bob2: is that the equivalent of reload?
[03:20] <simonvallore> bob2 where can i find out how
[03:20] <lightbright> GigaClon, / = hda1 /home = hd2
[03:20] <ZeroDni> just apt-get uninstall gdm i think
[03:20] <bob2> simonvallore: by actually telling us what you're using?
[03:20] <oskude> bob2, sry im too drunk :) ment "apt-get source xmms" = "apt-get install xmms-dev" ? :)
[03:20] <ZeroDni> or you could try kdm instesd
[03:20] <lightbright> ZeroDni, how when you cant even get into Ubuntu? :P hehe
[03:20] <GigaClon> lightbright, check the space on the / partition
[03:20] <ZeroDni> from the command line
[03:20] <bob2> oskude: 'apt-get install foo' installs the *binary* package foo.  each binary package comes from one source package, which is ofen, but not always, the same name as the binary package
[03:20] <synackuator> ok when I apt-get source something, where does it actually put the source files??
[03:20] <bob2> oskude: no
[03:20] <bob2> synackuator: ./
[03:20] <lightbright> GigaClon, the space says 33 gig free
[03:20] <bob2> oskude: xmms-dev is a binary package that comes from the xmms source package, same as the xmms binary package itself
[03:21] <ZeroDni> can you get to the non gui commands using ctrl alt F1
[03:21] <lightbright> GigaClon, ANY other ideas? lol
[03:21] <lightbright> ZeroDni, how would I reinstall gdm when you cant even get into ubuntu?
[03:21] <oskude> bob2, hmm, sure "xmms-dev" = the source code ?
[03:21] <_jason> when compiling a program, if I run ./configure with some options, is there typically a file created with my options stored?
[03:21] <bob2> oskude: no
[03:21] <bob2> oskude: xmms-dev is not source code
[03:21] <ZeroDni> what point does it crash
[03:21] <simonvallore> bob2 how can i change the terminal color on my ubuntu
[03:21] <bob2> _jason: config.log
[03:21] <lightbright> ZeroDni, I can get cli from safe mode, but I cant connect to internet with modem
[03:21] <bob2> simonvallore: that question is unanswerable, since it depends on what terminal you are talking about
[03:21] <_jason> bob2, thanks
[03:21] <ZeroDni> just use your cd
[03:22] <ZeroDni> ints on the cd
[03:22] <oskude> bob2, so xmms-dev is ?
[03:22] <GigaClon> lightbright, ubuntu or GNOME, do you get a text prompt
[03:22] <bob2> simonvallore: if you mean "how do I change the background colour of gnome-terminal?", then use the menus
[03:22] <simonvallore> gnome terminal
[03:22] <synackuator>  bob2: i'm sorry i don't know what you mean by ./
[03:22] <ogami1972> hi all- has anyone compiled amarok from source and been able to use the xine engine?
[03:22] <bimberi> lightbright: is there free space on both partitions?
[03:22] <clint-> hey oskude , I'll just create a partition that I can move files to  back and forth with other systems, and it can be read by any system I use. just 1 thing before I go, I don't have to choose the kdm or gdm after kde is done right, kde display manager and gnome display manager work fine for me :)
[03:22] <bob2> synackuator: ...the current directory
[03:22] <simonvallore> bob2 gnome terminal
[03:22] <synackuator> o
[03:22] <lightbright> GigaClon, only if I chose safe mode, it stops at a cli
[03:22] <kandoora_> bob2: thanks
[03:22] <bob2> oskude: xmms-dev is a binary package (which is confusing named, but just means that it is a .deb) that contains some xmms header files
[03:22] <lightbright> bimberi, my / = 5 gig.
[03:22] <bimberi> lightbright: k
[03:23] <lightbright> bimberi,  and my /home = 40 gig
[03:23] <pztak1> can someone pls do me a favor and test if you can ssh to 207.237.206.139 (i want to check if the ssh server i just installed works from outside my lan with my router config).. thanks!
[03:23] <lightbright> bimberi, i may reinstall and use the whole 40gig
[03:23] <simonvallore> bob2, any page i can look at for the color on my gnome terminal
[03:23] <GigaClon> lightbright, can you check the free space on the 5 gig drive?
[03:23] <oskude> bob2, hmm, i have to check on this, thnx for the info!!!
[03:23] <bob2> pztak1: no
[03:23] <lightbright> bimberi,  is that better idea to use the whole 40gig as one partition?
[03:23] <bob2> simonvallore: holy god
[03:23] <pztak1> bob2, no as in, no it's not working?
[03:23] <bob2> pztak1: yes
[03:23] <Zapek> hi, ubuntu does a beep (pc speaker it seems) when gdm shows the login screen. any way to turn that off? (make a sound in Login Screen Setup is turned off)
[03:23] <sethk> lightbright, with modern drive hardware, there is no good reason not to use a single large partition
[03:23] <pztak1> damn
[03:24] <simonvallore> bob2 im not holy god im simon
[03:24] <lightbright> its ok everyone, I wil reintsall and use the whole 40gig as one hda1. brb
[03:24] <bob2> simonvallore: edit -> profiles -> default -> edit -> colours
[03:24] <GigaClon> I have a 30 gig, spilt up 10 GB Linux, 15 GB FAT32, 5 GB NTFS (winxp)
[03:24] <bimberi> lightbright: did you mean 45 gig? and no, separate / and /home can be good
[03:24] <Xenguy> Zapek: check your BIOS
[03:24] <Xenguy> settings
[03:24] <lightbright> sethk, ok ill use the whole drive!  I thought it was a good diea to have /home on seperate partition, but it didnt do me any good :)  ill use the whole drive
[03:24] <simonvallore> bob2 thank you ohh grand ubuntu master
[03:24] <GigaClon> lightbright, wait
[03:25] <lightbright> bimberi, why?  didnt do me any good :)
[03:25] <GigaClon> what is the space on the 5 gig partition?
[03:25] <sethk> lightbright, I don't see where is makes any difference, and I've been doing this for a long time.
[03:25] <GigaClon> lightbright, if the root partition doesn't have free space, you can't login
[03:25] <pztak1> suppose i have machine A that's behind a router that i don't control so I can't set port forwarding (dorm housing), and access to machine B that's on the net (linux shell).. can i set up some sort of a tunnel by connecting from machine A to B and then later connect from another machine that's on the net to machine B (and then log into machine A)? heh..  i realize my explanation is a bit more complicated than it shoul
[03:25] <pztak1> d be.. sorry..
[03:25] <lightbright> GigaClon, 2.8 gig free
[03:25] <sethk> lightbright, people talk about umounting things for reinstalls, or other bizarre circumstances, but they don't really come up.
[03:26] <lightbright> sethk,  so you have only 2 partitons?  hda1 = / and hda5 = swap?
[03:26] <sethk> pztak1, sure, you can set up a tunnel.  You can even set up an encrypted tunnel.
[03:26] <sethk> lightbright, that's what I do on my boxes with 40 gig
[03:26] <lightbright> GigaClon, 2.8 gig free
[03:26] <sethk> lightbright, although not hda5
[03:26] <sethk> lightbright, that's dumb.  hda2
[03:26] <lightbright> sethk, ok ill do that now!  use the whole drive for /
[03:26] <pztak1> sethk, but this is tunnel from A->B (B can't connect to A).. and then I want to connect from C->B->A
[03:26] <sethk> lightbright, why have overhead involved with an extended partition?
[03:26] <synackuator> sheesh, KDE is 505mb - is it worth it??
[03:27] <sethk> synackuator, judgement call
[03:27] <lightbright> sethk, when I chose use whole drive, Ubuntu created swap by itself on hd5
[03:27] <sethk> pztak1, you can do it every which way.  It isn't trivial to set up, but it can be done
[03:27] <synackuator> meh, i'm getting 400kb/s it's all good
[03:27] <sethk> lightbright, I know, but override it.
[03:27] <nightwing> Does anyone know how to make my mp3 player (Sandisk, functions like a removable usb drive) readable/writable, vs. the "read only" error messages I'm getting when I try to delete/change anything on the device?
[03:27] <sethk> lightbright, it's a machine, you are smarter than it is
[03:27] <pztak1> sethk, any ideas where i can find out more about it.. or what it may be called (so i can google it)?
[03:27] <oskude> bob2, OMG im like out of my socks, but it sounds very "normal", i have compiled many apps from source code and when they needed some libs, i just installed the *-dev packages, and now when i think, yeah they only need the headers. LOL i was so "wrong" all the time,so i thank you VERY MUCH for your info :)
[03:27] <lightbright> sethk, if you install Breezy and tell it to use whoile drive, it will use hda1 for / and create a hda5 for swap!  thats whats its doing by itself
[03:28] <sethk> pztak1, start with the tunneling options in the kernel configuration
[03:28] <sethk> lightbright, I know
[03:28] <sethk> lightbright, that's why I said to change it
[03:28] <lightbright> sethk, why would it hurt to have it as hda5?
[03:28] <sethk> lightbright, a bit less efficient.  Only a hair, but why put up with it?
[03:28] <lightbright> sethk, why does it hurt?
[03:28] <lightbright> sethk, and what happened to hda2 and 3 and 4?
[03:28] <sethk> lightbright, because hda5 is a pseudo partition in hda4
[03:29] <sethk> lightbright, and in your case hda2 and hda3 are unused, which is the point
[03:29] <lightbright> sethk, but I dont ever see the swap anyway!  i leave it alone
[03:29] <simonvallore> bob2 know any c ?
[03:29] <clint-> back
[03:29] <sethk> lightbright, I know, but if it is used, then it matters.  The kernel uses it if you run out of real memory
[03:29] <sethk> lightbright, but if you aren't comfortable mucking around with it, don't worry
[03:29] <oskude> bob2, but then again, when ever i needed source, was cause the deb was too "old" so i NEWER needed the source of the debs...
[03:29] <sethk> lightbright, it's trivial to change it later if you want
[03:29] <paulproteus> Urthmover: I've installed the FreeNX packages, but now how do I use it?
[03:30] <sethk> lightbright, it's a somewhat academic objection on my part.
[03:30] <paulproteus> Urthmover: Say I want to run gaim in an "NX" session on my desktop, and then connect to it locally so it appears on my desktop here, and then connect to it remotely from another Linux machine somewhere else?
[03:30] <lightbright> sethk, ok :)
[03:30] <lightbright> sethk, how can I change it from hda5 to hda2?
[03:31] <sethk> lightbright, you use fdisk.  delete hda5, and hda4.  then create hda2, and mark it as swap
[03:31] <sethk> lightbright, but, thinking about it, you would also have to change the config, which is easy (for me) but possibly something you don't want to deal with at the moment
[03:31] <sethk> lightbright, do it later, you don't lose anything
[03:31] <lightbright> sethk, when I type cfdisk /dev/hda it says FATAL error
[03:31] <lightbright> sethk, you mean change fstab?
[03:31] <sethk> paulproteus, why not just direct the gaim output to whichever machine you want it to display on?  Why use all those add ons at all?
[03:32] <sethk> lightbright, right
[03:32] <paulproteus> sethk: I want to maintain state.
[03:32] <lightbright> sethk, when I type cfdisk /dev/hda it says FATAL error!  what is the problem?
[03:32] <oskude> lightbright, did you try with "sudo"
[03:32] <sethk> lightbright, there could be a swapon statement somewhere also.
[03:32] <lightbright> sethk, I can change fstab to hda2, takes me 2 seconds
[03:32] <sethk> lightbright, I don't know, I never use cfdisk
[03:32] <gfoxiness> can i get monodevelop 0.8 on ubuntu "ubuntu come wiht 0.7? and what about mono 1.1.10?
[03:32] <sethk> lightbright, I just use fdisk
[03:32] <lightbright> oskude, ah no :P  hehe
[03:32] <sethk> paulproteus, I don't see why that matters
[03:32] <lightbright> oskude, it works with sudo :P
[03:32] <sethk> lightbright, you have to run it as root, of course
[03:32] <oskude> chdisk is allmost like an "gui" for fdisk :)
[03:33] <paulproteus> sethk: I want to have the same view of gaim no matter what computer I'm at.
[03:33] <lightbright> sethk, i loaded cfdisk hda!  how do I now tell it to use hda2?
[03:33] <clint-> I guess I  might try gentoo.. :- )
[03:33] <oskude> clint-, OMG :)
[03:33] <sethk> paulproteus, that's what you'll get by redirecting the output to wherever you happen to be running
[03:33] <Urthmover> good luck with the install clint
[03:33] <clint-> wow,, a reaction..
[03:33] <lightbright> sethk, can I delete hda5 while Ubintu is runnung?
[03:33] <Urthmover> it's dreadful
[03:33] <paulproteus> sethk: But when I leave that computer and log off, X will quit.
[03:33] <paulproteus> sethk: And gaim will quit, too, then.
[03:33] <dane_bramage> Wireless question, which wireless adapter works best on unbuntu with little configuration
[03:33] <clint-> Urthmover,  if I can get FreeBSD 6.0, and Debian 3.1 netinst. I can manage gentoo :-)
[03:33] <smo> lightbright: It may be a good idea to swapood /dev/hda5 first
[03:34] <smo> achk .. swapoff /dev/hda5
[03:34] <clint-> I use many systems m8...
[03:34] <oskude> clint-, gentoo sounds nice, but dor desktop useless (when update lasts 2days, when comliling)
[03:34] <sethk> paulproteus, if the computer is off I don't see what you are preserving  :)
[03:34] <GTroy> dane_bramage: usually netgear
[03:34] <smo> (I hate using other people's keyboards.  the spacing's all out of whack)
[03:34] <paulproteus> sethk: No.  No computer is ever off.
[03:34] <sethk> lightbright, you would want to take the swap out of service
[03:34] <paulproteus> I want my always-on desktop to maintain gaim state.
[03:34] <sethk> paulproteus, mine is, if I disconnect the power.
[03:34] <clint-> well then maybe if you can help me get this so I can get into my parititions. I would happy :-)
[03:34] <paulproteus> I want the same view of gaim no matter where I am.
[03:34] <Urthmover> lol clint
[03:34] <paulproteus> sethk: I mean in my desired strategy....
[03:34] <sethk> paulproteus, you mean you don't want to restart gaim?
[03:34] <clint-> without me constantly reading.. :-)
[03:34] <paulproteus> sethk: Right, exactly.
[03:34] <paulproteus> No state change in gaim.
[03:34] <dane_bramage> any particular version etc.
[03:35] <paulproteus> Quitting is a state change. (-;
[03:35] <sethk> paulproteus, seems like a lot of trouble for not much return, but ok
[03:35] <Urthmover> I was just giving a helpful hint....don't use gentoo unless there is a specific reason to
[03:35] <lightbright> sethk, ok done!  I deleted hda5 and said NEW and it picked hda2 and I wrote it
[03:35] <clint-> but oh well.. I will read and become good at it. like I proved to myself what I can do already that of from 1 year ago
[03:35] <sethk> lightbright, do a swapon then, on /dev/hda2
[03:35] <lightbright> sethk, it seemed I could do it while running Ubtunu
[03:35] <clint-> and lol @ your good luck with gentoo,,, ou should try installing freebsd, then you tell me good luck with gentoo lol
[03:35] <sethk> lightbright, if the swap is off line, sure
[03:35] <lightbright> sethk, I then told fdisk to use hda2 as 82, swap
[03:35] <sethk> lightbright, good
[03:35] <lightbright> sethk, whats my next step?
[03:36] <clint-> PC BSD is the fasest and easiest I have ever seen
[03:36] <lightbright> sethk,  change fstab?
[03:36] <sethk> lightbright, right
[03:36] <dane_bramage> GTroy, any particular version, chipset etc...
[03:36] <clint-> the only thing. is keyboad configuration
[03:36] <lightbright> sethk, anything else?
[03:36] <paulproteus> sethk: It's mostly so I can get IRC scrollback.
[03:36] <oskude> clint-, i asked allready once, whats PC BSD ?
[03:36] <clint-> I got it once, but I am going wait til PC BSD 1.0 official comes out
[03:36] <sethk> lightbright, do a swapon /dev/hda2, so you don't have to reboot to get it to use fstab
[03:36] <lightbright> sethk,  change fstab?  nothing else?
[03:36] <sethk> lightbright, that's all permanently, yes
[03:36] <lightbright> sethk, type " swapon /dev/hda2" ?
[03:36] <clint-> its FreeBSD in kDE environment
[03:36] <sethk> lightbright, right, with sudo
[03:36] <lightbright> ok brb
[03:36] <clint-> like Kubuntu is  ubuntu just in kde mode
[03:37] <durt> freebsd comes with kde clint-
[03:37] <lightbright> sethk, it said: swapon: /dev/hda2: Invalid argument
[03:37] <oskude> clint-, FBSD on KDE ? dont understand ?
[03:37] <clint-> i know.. however you ry pc bsd. then you tell me what comes with what :)
[03:37] <clint-> installed in 12 minutes and the easiest ever open source system. and in fact,, can't believe it.. :-)
[03:37] <sethk> lightbright, you used sudu?
[03:37] <lightbright> sethk, it typed the command as you gave me, and  it said: swapon: /dev/hda2: Invalid argument
[03:38] <lightbright> sethk, yes I typed:  sudo swapon /dev/hda2
[03:38] <clint-> theres desktopbsd. and other 1's as well.. I am aware of them, and I liked PC bsd alot.
[03:38] <oskude> clint-, could you give me an url to PC BSD ?
[03:38] <clint-> sure
[03:38] <sethk> lightbright, do sudo mkswap /dev/hda2
[03:38] <lightbright> sethk, any other command?
[03:38] <clint-> www.pcbsd.com
[03:38] <clint-> and www.pcbsd.org
[03:38] <clint-> no matter .. they took them both over :P
[03:38] <lightbright> sethk, mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40kB
[03:38] <clint-> i started out on it when it was 8.1, then 8.3, then 1.0 rc
[03:38] <lightbright> sethk, but its 756mb
[03:39] <sethk> lightbright, do fdisk -l /dev/hda, then paste the hda2 line
[03:39] <lightbright> ok
[03:39] <clint-> I just need to read all my books is all.. on unix and linux. I have alot. so .. :-)
[03:39] <lightbright> sethk, said: Cannot open /dev/hda
[03:39] <clint-> I know I probably will go back to BSD since it is more open than linux anyways..
[03:39] <sethk> lightbright, sudo?
[03:39] <oskude> clint-, well to me it doesnt sound as PC-BSD on KDE, more like KDE on PC-BSD...
[03:39] <sethk> lightbright, anything related to partitions, swap, etc., you have to sudo
[03:39] <kandoora_> which java plugin do i need to choose for firefox http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp   (is it Linux (self-extracting file)?)
[03:39] <lightbright> sethk, /dev/hda2            4773        4865      747022+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[03:39] <clint-> who knows. at least I am more with open source getting productive each of my days. then how I was a year ago
[03:40] <lightbright> sethk, when I type cfdisk /dev/hda it reports that hda2 is 756MB
[03:40] <Hobbsee> !tell kandoora_ about java
[03:40] <clint-> yes.. KDE on FreeBSD is what it is
[03:40] <clint-> oh sue me for wording it wrong.
[03:40] <sethk> lightbright, yes, it is 107 cylinders or so, which is reasonable
[03:40] <clint-> would you be surprised that gentoo is ported to bsd
[03:40] <oskude> clint-, yeah, these small differences like windows users calling "C:" as partition :)
[03:40] <clint-> and so is novell
[03:41] <clint-> lol
[03:41] <lightbright> sethk, so why isnt your comand working?
[03:41] <sethk> lightbright, do mount (with no arguments), see if swap is already mounted
[03:41] <whyameye> looking for advice about low latency audio on ubuntu....
[03:41] <clint-> average everyday users oskude . you have to treat them with respect, make them feel like they know something :)
[03:41] <sethk> lightbright, it is possible that it still thinks the other partition is in place, if you didn't stop using the swap before you changed the partition table
[03:41] <sethk> lightbright, if that happened, don't worry, it will just act weird until you reboot
[03:41] <clint-> hey didnt' we start somewhere..?
[03:41] <kfault> crimsun: I didnt want to bother you again, but in the guide you passed me it says to run ./linux and obviously it doesnt work. Do I need the kernel source also? Or what do I need?
[03:41] <lightbright> sethk, where can I paste the output?
[03:42] <sethk> lightbright, you used the same physical area of the disk, so it isn't dangerous
[03:42] <oskude> clint-, yeah, but saying BSD runs on KDE is over my understanding, RTFM...
[03:42] <sethk> lightbright, use a pastebot.  there is one in the channel topic
[03:42] <Hobbsee> lightbright: pastebin
[03:42] <clint-> hee
[03:42] <lightbright> Hobbsee, pastebin.com ?
[03:42] <clint-> well I am not perfect at wording things m8 all the time, I don't try to be.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[03:42] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:42] <clint-> I am not in class right now, I consider myself off.. :-)
[03:43] <sethk> lightbright, I have to walk the dog, but I'll be back shortly.
[03:43] <oskude> clint-, yeah, but no info is better than wrong info...
[03:43] <lightbright> sethk, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4819
[03:43] <lightbright> sethk, can you look first? :P
[03:44] <lightbright> sethk, you cant give commands and then leave hafl way through :P
[03:44] <clint-> blah
[03:44] <tescoil> say, is there a way to point apt-get at an uninstalled deb file on the local system and have it go get the dependency debs?
[03:44] <sethk> lightbright, I'll take a quick look, yes
[03:44] <kfault> I guess he's not here. Anyone else can help me? Im trying to run UML in breezy but im new so I dont really know how. I downloaded the debian image in the UML site already. And it says that to run it I need to run ./linux  wherw do i find that?
[03:44] <sethk> lightbright, but it doesn't take more than 10 minutes to walk the dog  :)
[03:44] <clint-> oh , so you want us all to use proper grammar and everything here huh? I'll just write ubuntu developers and ask them.. I am sure they can tell me how to be proper :)
[03:45] <lightbright> sethk, ok and the output is here when you get bac: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4819
[03:45] <sethk> lightbright, I'm looking at it
[03:45] <oskude> clint-, what ever, no harm done, so let us forget this :)
[03:45] <clint-> yeah,  I forgot the part where I was imperfect
[03:45] <sethk> lightbright, it doesn't show any swap.  I
[03:45] <kfault> no one knows?
[03:45] <sethk> lightbright, I'll think when I'm walking the dog.  :)  I verified the command on one of my systems here, and mkswap /dev/hda2 is correct
[03:46] <ogami1972> whyame- have you tried demudi?
[03:46] <lightbright> sethk, so what do I do now?
[03:46] <sethk> lightbright, so it has to be using an out of date cached copy of your partition table.
[03:46] <sethk> lightbright, reboot, force it to sync to the hardware
[03:46] <oskude> kfault, have you searched/asked the lists/forums of that program =
[03:46] <lightbright> i should have left it as hda5 :(
[03:46] <paulproteus> tescoil: Easiest way:
[03:46] <nalioth> lightbright: howdy!
[03:46] <paulproteus> dpkg -i that_file.deb
[03:46] <sethk> lightbright, no, this is better, really
[03:46] <kfault> noup, I just searched at google :p
[03:46] <paulproteus> apt-get -f install
[03:46] <smo> kfault: have you downloaded anything other than the image?
[03:46] <paulproteus> "-f" is "fix mode".
[03:47] <lightbright> sethk, you think when I reboot it will fix itself
[03:47] <kfault> smo: yes
[03:47] <kfault> uml-utilites
[03:47] <sethk> lightbright, yes.  you probably will have to do the mkswap, after you reboot
[03:47] <oskude> kfault, as its not a part of the standard ubuntu installation, i dount heres someone to help...
[03:47] <lightbright> nalioth, hello :)
[03:47] <clint-> k well later all, I got business to take care of
[03:47] <Corrupter> i have a little problem with my sound card :-(
[03:47] <sethk> lightbright, there is probably a way to do it without rebooting, but do the easy thing and reboot.
[03:47] <sethk> lightbright, partition tables are one of the few cases where a reboot may be needed in linux
[03:47] <lightbright> sethk, after I reboot I type  mkswap /dev/hda2 ?
[03:47] <Corrupter> does anybody know where i can find sound card drivers?
[03:47] <lightbright> sethk, I changed the fstab to hda2
[03:48] <sethk> lightbright, first do mount (no arguments again).  if mount doesn't show the swap, then do mkswap /dev/hda2, and swapon /dev/hda2
[03:48] <lightbright> sethk, can I jiust reboot X?
[03:48] <oskude> !sound
[03:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[03:48] <lightbright> sethk,  or a full reboot?
[03:48] <sethk> lightbright, no, X has nothing to do with it.  :)  full reboot
[03:48] <lightbright> sethk, ok
[03:48] <sethk> lightbright, now the dog is insisting, but I'll be right back.  :)
[03:48] <lightbright> sethk, enjoy your walk :)
[03:48] <whyameye> need help setting up Jack. Using qjackctl...
[03:48] <Corrupter> anybody know where i can get ESS Audio drivers?
[03:49] <lightbright> sethk, ok
[03:49] <oskude> Corrupter, what does "lspci" show you about your audio card/chip ?
[03:49] <tescoil> tnx, paulproteus
[03:49] <server_newbie> is there a way to use ssh to vnc a pc other than the linux box I am ssh'ing into ?
[03:49] <smo> kfault: You need uml itself .. unless it needs a repo I haven't added, it doesn't appear to be in ubuntu.  debian calls the package user-mode-linux
[03:49] <khermans_> Can someone tell me how to make a program run when I log into my Gnome Desktop?  I want Ninan, a java program, to run when I log in!!!
[03:50] <Corrupter> ... i haven't used Linux in probably 4 years, i don't know my way around the new versions, gonna have to tell me how to go to that
[03:50] <smo> kfault: If you've ever built a kernel before, you'll find it fairly simple to build from scratch, however.  it'll run from the current directory, rather than installing itself allover the system, so it's not going to conflict with the package manager
[03:50] <oskude> Corrupter, in console/terminal type "lspci"
[03:50] <dabaR> server_newbie: so, -X ssh, running vnc?
[03:50] <ogami1972> whyame- what problems are you having?
[03:50] <oskude> Corrupter, lspci is not so new...
[03:51] <h2theizzo> Hiya
[03:51] <Corrupter> alright, i was 14 when i last used Linux, i didn't even know how to do much then, heh
[03:51] <oskude> Corrupter, :)
[03:52] <h2theizzo> im trying to install phpsysinfo,but when i did apt-get install phpsysinfo it couldnt find the package,i was told i hadda get one off the repos or something,anyone know?
[03:52] <oskude> Corrupter, yeah, linux, that funny something from the closet :)
[03:52] <lightbright> what does this mean?  please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation!
[03:52] <server_newbie> DabaR I want to get into my home network using ssh to my ubuntu server and then vns into my xp pc
[03:52] <bimberi> lightbright: it
[03:52] <bimberi> means
[03:52] <bimberi> doing
[03:52] <Corrupter> wow, i can't even find terminal...
[03:52] <bimberi> this
[03:52] <BucketHead> What would be the best way to re-write grub to my MBR after having installed XP into my other partition and forgot about it over-writing my MBR?
[03:52] <lightbright> if I dont press enter, the text cant be entrered into window :P
[03:52] <oskude> Corrupter, you should see "...audio controller" in "lspci" and that line i would like to see
[03:52] <server_newbie> vns=vnc
[03:52] <Corrupter> nvm
[03:53] <kfault> smo:so I need to download the kernel sources, apply the patch, and then run the image?
[03:53] <bimberi> h2theizzo: it's in the universe repository
[03:53] <dabaR> server, well, forward X, did you try that? or just from that first one vnc onto the xp.
[03:53] <bimberi> ubotu tell h2theizzo about repos
[03:53] <lightbright> bimberi,  I got a message telling me not use my enter key. but if i never use enter, I cant type anything to the window
[03:53] <clint-> I am going to read and deal with ubuntu in my own way..
[03:53] <bimberi> lightbright: was it from ubotu?
[03:53] <smo> smo: I'm not sure if the patch is needed anymore .. I'd try without first.  you pretty much just build a kernel adding ARCH=um onto the end of each command
[03:53] <smo> whoops  hehe
[03:53] <clint-> and master this lovely distribution progrommed off of debian :-)
[03:53] <clint-> programmed*
[03:53] <Corrupter> i'm not seeing anything about audio controller...
[03:54] <coz> Hello there is an applications menu editor, but is there a way to edit the places and system menus?
[03:54] <kfault> smo: Ok, thanks a lot
[03:54] <atrophic> I'm looking for something that changes the desktop background in ubuntu to a random image at a specific interval.  Does anything like that already exist?
[03:54] <lightbright> bimberi:  yeah
[03:54] <oskude> Corrupter, hmm, doesnt sound good :( is your audio card on pci, or maybe in usb ?
[03:54] <Corrupter> it's built in
[03:54] <Corrupter> on the motherboard
[03:55] <lightbright> bimberi:  was it a joke message telling me not to use the enter key? :P
[03:55] <oskude> Corrupter, ok, so it should be seen by "lspci"... well that seems to be one of the thing linux lag on, no open hardware...
[03:55] <smo> atrophic: http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=69
[03:55] <bimberi> lightbright: hm, i guess so, although i don't reckon you do :)
[03:55] <smo> atrophic: not exactly 'canned', but the works' been done for you
[03:55] <Corrupter> it's an onboard sound card from a 1999 Compaq
[03:55] <whyameye> I'm trying to use qjackctl to gvet the jack server running in ubuntu. Not working. Can anybody help?
[03:55] <BucketHead> What would be the best way to re-write grub to my MBR after having installed XP into my other partition and forgot about it over-writing my MBR?
[03:55] <Corrupter> ok, so when it comes to sound i'm pretty much screwed till i can buy a new one then?
[03:56] <lightbright> bimberi:  I always press enter when finished typing so the text can be displayed
[03:56] <oskude> Corrupter, heres how my onboard chip looks in lspci "0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)"
[03:56] <smo> BucketHead: do you have a livecd?
[03:56] <bimberi> lightbright: of course
[03:56] <BucketHead> smo, indeed
[03:56] <bimberi> BucketHead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:56] <smo> ah, nm
[03:56] <Corrupter> nope, it's not there
[03:56] <bimberi> smo: sry :)
[03:57] <BucketHead> bimberi, thanks
[03:57] <Corrupter> i see multimedia controller, but thats an old dial-up modem i never took out
[03:57] <h2theizzo> well
[03:57] <h2theizzo> the site told me how to enable repos
[03:57] <oskude> Corrupter, youre only screwed when theres no open specs for your hardware, or noone bothered to reverse-engineer your chipt...
[03:57] <smo> bimberi, np, saves me a lot of thinking.  I'm on an osx machine atm, so working from memory
[03:57] <h2theizzo> but didnt really help much
[03:57] <bimberi> BucketHead: np :)
[03:57] <Corrupter> so in other words i'm screwed
[03:57] <bimberi> smo: :)
[03:57] <h2theizzo> im trying to get phpsysinfo, after enableing that setting,and refreshing,its still not there
[03:57] <Corrupter> like i said, i'm using a compaq from 1999
[03:57] <uglysmurf> hey all
[03:57] <oskude> Corrupter, yes, but not by linux, your screwed by your sound card/chip maker !
[03:58] <dabaR> hey uglysmurf
[03:58] <h2theizzo> yeah the pc im useing ubuntu on is only a 400mhz AMD k6/2,with 128mb ram
[03:58] <h2theizzo> its not muhc,but runs fine
[03:58] <Corrupter> lol
[03:58] <khermans_> No one knows hyow to make a command run when I log into Gnome?
[03:58] <dabaR> khermans_: system, prefs, session
[03:58] <oskude> Corrupter, yeah, sounds lol, but how should linux developers make drivers for it when the makers wont say how to do it ?
[03:58] <h2theizzo> isnt it something in the x11 init
[03:58] <h2theizzo> ?
[03:59] <uglysmurf> i have 2 PCs running ubuntu...i'd like the user 'ugly' to have the same /home on both...is it as simple as sharing out /home/ugly on the one via NFS?
[03:59] <durt> ubuntu with xfce barely functions on 64mb ram (very slow)
[03:59] <lightbright> hi
[03:59] <khermans_> dabaR, you know what file that changes?
[03:59] <Corrupter> what about sound cards not using PCI?
[03:59] <oskude> uglysmurf, in theory yes :) (but ive never done that)
[03:59] <WhyvasLT> lsisa
[03:59] <deang> Startup commands?  System~Preferences~Session
[04:00] <dabaR> khermans_: you already use gnome...
[04:00] <uglysmurf> oskude, you know of any other ways to get it done that are more common?  i tried googling around but had little luck
[04:00] <khermans_> yea
[04:00] <oskude> Corrupter, its not about PCI/ISA/USB, its about the makers of the sound card/chip not telling (for free) how to use theire hardware...
[04:00] <deang> Where's the "apt" file system guide?   I'm hoping to save an extra 56k download, and copy my cached files to my secondary (kids) box.
[04:00] <dabaR> h2theizzo: ask ubotu, Ill tell you how. read the pm from ubotu, then register your nick, and type "info phpsysinfo" as a message to him
[04:00] <Corrupter> i meant does Ubuntu work with ISA sound cards?
[04:01] <kandoora_> in the process of installing java according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-68565ae07a003332e82c9f23706638777396c249 there is no java-package
[04:01] <Corrupter> i have a box of crap i snatched from the dumpster at college
[04:01] <smo> deang: either take a look around /var/cache/apt/archives .. or take a look at the apt-zip package, which is designed to make apt over sneakernet easier
[04:01] <kandoora_> i found fakeroot and java-common but no java-package
[04:01] <deang> thanks, smo!
[04:01] <bimberi> deang: Here's a quick guide: copy all debs from /var/cache/apt/archives to same dir on the other computer
[04:02] <bimberi> smo: beat me this time :P
[04:02] <oskude> uglysmurf, i just said in theory as i newer done that, but it _should_ work.. like making a /home partition and share it between different linux distros...
[04:02] <lightbright> 
[04:02] <khermans_> Doh, i accidentally flipped one of the check boxes in the Session Options tab, can someone who hasn't changed their Gnome startup options go to System -> Preferences -> Session and tell me if all three boxes are checked?
[04:02] <Corrupter> does Ubuntu support ISA?
[04:03] <WhyvasLT> Corrupter, come on......
[04:03] <kandoora_> khermans_, just the first two are checked
[04:03] <h2theizzo> thank you debar i will try it
[04:03] <khermans_> kandoora_, thanks dude
[04:03] <kandoora_> khermans_, no problemo
[04:03] <Corrupter> hey man
[04:03] <oskude> Corrupter, now that you say, ive heard about buildin sound chips usings ISA, and SHIT i forgot, some1 gave me a fint how to "fixthat" :(
[04:03] <oskude> *fint = hint
[04:04] <smo> the isapnputils package may be relevent.  I know I had an isa sb16 working many, many moons ago, but that wasn't ubuntu  (slack 3.3 iirc)
[04:04] <coz> is tere away to edit the preferences menu?
[04:04] <uglysmurf> oskude, alright...i've heard people mention LDAP/PAM for getting this accomplished, but i think that might be more work than what i need...i'll give it a shot
[04:04] <Corrupter> well like i said, i have a box of old crap i found at college they let me have, i have 2 ISA sound cards
[04:05] <h2theizzo> deb
[04:05] <khermans_> coz, good question!
[04:05] <oskude> uglysmurf, good luck with LPAD :)
[04:05] <khermans_> wish i knew
[04:05] <h2theizzo> er dabaR
[04:05] <oskude> uglysmurf, good luck with LDAP :)
[04:05] <h2theizzo> i typed info phpsysinfo
[04:05] <h2theizzo> it told me the info about it
[04:05] <bimberi> kandoora_: java-package is in multiverse
[04:05] <h2theizzo> but when i do apt-get install phpsysinfo
[04:05] <h2theizzo> it tells me the package doesnt exist
[04:06] <oskude> Corrupter, fuck, and i didnt write down the advice about ISA card :( (i never had isa cards under linux)
[04:06] <coz> Ok does anyone know if there is a way to edit the other menus in ubuntu other than the applications menu?
[04:06] <smo> h2theizzo, do you have universe enabled?
[04:06] <Corrupter> so it won't work on it's own?
[04:06] <h2theizzo> smo, thats a good ?, could u guide me on how to :P
[04:06] <oskude> coz, im with you, wanted to do the same :)
[04:07] <ispiked> coz: if I had to take a guess I'd say it involves editing some XML files.
[04:07] <uglysmurf> oskude, LDAP would be more appropriate for large networks right?  where you'd create the user once on one machine and then all others recognize that user...whereas in my situation it's not a big deal to create the user on every machine i'm using (2)
[04:07] <coz> great now we have to find the answer!!
[04:07] <dabaR> !+info phpsysinfo
[04:07] <ubotu> Updating ubuntu files... please wait.
[04:07] <ubotu> phpsysinfo: (PHP based host information), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 2.3-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 1500 kB
[04:07] <oskude> Corrupter, i think it will work, but not do easy as with pci stuff...
[04:07] <coz> there should be an app like appkications menu editor
[04:07] <coz> after all I should be able to control the whole system not just tiny parts of it
[04:07] <h2theizzo> dabaR,see it exists, but what was smo talkin about
[04:08] <Corrupter> i'm a lazy bastard, if this doesn't work i'm just gonna head up to wal-mart
[04:08] <coz> what's up Corrupter
[04:08] <deang> coz: did this help? http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[04:08] <oskude> coz, afcourse you can control ALL of your ubuntu, the question is only "how easy" :)
[04:08] <h2theizzo> my ubuntu has been up for 33 days now,running my ircd,neostats,eggdrop and http,its great,but i wanna get that phpsysinfo
[04:08] <Corrupter> i have no sound :-(
[04:08] <coz> yeah right
[04:08] <dabaR> h2theizzo: install the repo. Check this doc out. http://dabar.selfip.org/synaptic.html
[04:08] <khermans_> deang, Ubuntu uses smeg anyways
[04:08] <coz> Corrupter do what sound card do you have?
[04:08] <smo> h2theizzo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:08] <kandoora_> bimberi, thanx dude
[04:09] <Corrupter> ESS Audio onboard
[04:09] <bimberi> kandoora_: np :)
[04:09] <dabaR> h2theizzo: tell us which one is easier.
[04:09] <nightwing> Is there a way to keep Ubuntu (breezy) from reading my removable usb device (an mp3 player) as "read only"?
[04:09] <oskude> Corrupter, i would like to help, but i have like no experience with ISA cards... :(
[04:09] <coz> should work do you have all the sound add on libs etc
[04:09] <nightwing> It won't let me write / change files on the player...
[04:09] <coz> chown _r user name file location
[04:09] <coz> chown -R sorry
[04:10] <oskude> Corrupter, but then again, the reason i changed from debian to ubuntu, was that it autoconfigured my soundcard :)
[04:10] <Corrupter> it's alright, the only way to find out is to stick it in and pray that it works
[04:10] <h2theizzo> dabaR, u rock brother
[04:10] <Corrupter> but sound cards are only like 20 bucks
[04:10] <h2theizzo> :P
[04:10] <h2theizzo> thank you
[04:10] <h2theizzo> the repos is updateing list now
[04:10] <Corrupter> i bought a CD Drive today, burned the Ubuntu CD and returned it for a refund at wal-mart
[04:10] <coz> yeah  get a sound blaster live works for me
[04:10] <Corrupter> thats why i love them...
[04:10] <ogami1972> whyameye- it will take some trial and error in the settings dept- have you ever run jack on that machine with another distro?
[04:10] <dabaR> h2theizzo: was that one good enough?
[04:11] <sethk> Corrupter, you could have downloaded it and burned it and saved gasoline
[04:11] <smo> coz, careful, some newer soundblasters aren't as easy as they look  (I have 3, and one 'just worked')
[04:11] <Corrupter> i just said i went to wal-mart to buy a CD-burner...
[04:11] <coz> you are going to need that burner
[04:11] <Corrupter> how could i have burned it without one?
[04:11] <oskude> my (logitech) usb-headset was regonized/configured like plug and play in ubuntu :)
[04:11] <Corrupter> i'm ultra poor
[04:11] <coz> well maybe so
[04:11] <Alinux> someone who speaks Italian and uses Launchpad for translating?
[04:11] <coz>  I wish they had a driver for my laya24 card
[04:11] <coz> layla24
[04:11] <nightwing> coz: so "chown -R <username> <location of player>?
[04:11] <smo> burners aren't cheaper than gas now?
[04:11] <Corrupter> ok, one last question before i leave
[04:12] <Corrupter> how do i add microsoft text files to
[04:12] <coz> if you want permissions changed to a file etc yes
[04:12] <Corrupter> Linux?
[04:12] <h2theizzo> yeah it was good enough and then some
[04:12] <redondos> Corrupter: was all that trouble worth it?
[04:12] <Corrupter> yes
[04:12] <redondos> I think it's too much,
[04:12] <redondos> you can't be that poor in the us.
[04:12] <Corrupter> i live in a town with about 4 people, i could walk to wal-mart if i wanted
[04:12] <oskude> Corrupter, whats "microsoft tect file" ?
[04:12] <atrophic> hehe, does everybody work there then?
[04:12] <ogami1972> walmart is smart to get a lock on all 4 of you
[04:12] <coz> sometimes the chown does not work with system files or hardware permissions I have found
[04:13] <Corrupter> like... MS Sans and Arial and Times New Roman
[04:13] <coz> some system files
[04:13] <bimberi> Corrupter: install msttcorefonts from multiverse
[04:13] <atrophic> Corrupter, search for automatix it does a bunch of cool stuff, including add those fonts
[04:13] <oskude> Corrupter, oh you mean MS fonts, there was something..
[04:13] <redondos> so wal-mart probably knows what the whole deal was there :)
[04:13] <ogami1972> oh- put the font in /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[04:13] <coz> automatix rules guys
[04:13] <nightwing> coz: I see... thanks
[04:13] <coz> Corrupter do you need awlak through for your sound set up?
[04:14] <oskude> try "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[04:14] <marz> how do I watch movies when I open them in VLC? No sound is coming out, and no movie is being outputed to the screen :S
[04:14] <Corrupter> well it didn't auto-configure it when i installed it
[04:14] <bimberi> attack of the spambots
[04:14] <coz> audio video libs need applied
[04:14] <Corrupter> installed Ubuntu i mean
[04:14] <coz> do you have totem gstreamer or totem-xine?
[04:14] <ogami1972> automatix is very nice, but if you know where to put the fionts, you can use any you get your hands on, not just what's in the repos
[04:15] <oskude> Corrupter, i've heard lot of "msttcorefonts" not working, but i ve never installed them so i cant help..
[04:15] <marz> when I open a wmv file with vlc, how can I toggle the option to actually watch the video?
[04:15] <Corrupter> alright
[04:16] <ClayG> is there a command to search the whole computer not just the directory im in for a specific file name
[04:16] <ClayG> ?
[04:16] <coz> corrupter   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:16] <atrophic> find / -name filename
[04:16] <GTroy> how hard is it to swap a HD to another box?
[04:16] <oskude> marz, is your wmv local, or can i give it a try ? (like url )
[04:16] <coz> GTroy easy if there is no OS on it
[04:16] <GTroy> and use the same os?
[04:17] <marz> oskude: it's on my machine. I basically can't get any video to work with vlc. It plays, but I don't see it or hear it
[04:17] <Corrupter> well, off to install this ISA sound card... i'll be back on to tell how good it foes
[04:17] <worthawholebean> How can I get the dependencies of a Deb file?
[04:17] <oskude> ClayG, "locate <file>" or "find / -iname <file>"
[04:17] <nickrud> GTroy, pretty easy; make sure you have a generic i386 kernel, and adjust grub and fstab to match your new machine
[04:17] <Corrupter> if my PC doesn't decide to commit suicide over it
[04:17] <coz> marz you nprobably need extra libs etc
[04:17] <Ron_o> Gtroy. It can be hard if your hardware isn't recognized.
[04:17] <ClayG> can i ad * for a wild card effect?
[04:17] <GTroy> thank you
[04:17] <marz> coz: any specific libs for wmv?
[04:17] <oskude> marz, have you tried mplayer and have you installed w32codecs ?
[04:18] <coz> marz go to https://wiki/ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and follow it carefully
[04:18] <nickrud> GTroy, there may be some other issues, but those three should be enough to boot and fix
[04:18] <GTroy> hmm it's an emachines
[04:18] <marz> oskude: I have tried mplayer, doesn't work, I'll try the w32 codecs
[04:18] <Ron_o> marz, try another video player.
[04:18] <ecobuntu> !w32codecs
[04:18] <RiXtEr> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree  .... this work for anyone else?
[04:18] <ubotu> methinks w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[04:18] <Ron_o> Mplayer or Xine or Kaffeine.
[04:18] <coz> NO mplayer totem-xine
[04:18] <oskude> marz, as WMV IS a w32 codec, so w32codecs should help ;)
[04:18] <Ron_o> I get the same thing with VLC.
[04:18] <ecobuntu> Rixter: i use flashplayer-mozilla
[04:18] <squidbullets> nalioth greetings
[04:19] <marz> oskude: lol, thx. Do you know where I can find them? apt-cache search isn't yeilding many results
[04:19] <coz> the totem on the install of ubuntu is totem-gstreamer NO MOVIESapt-get install totem-xine
[04:19] <bimberi> worthawholebean: dpkg -I file.deb
[04:19] <oskude> !w32codecs
[04:19] <nalioth> squidbullets: howdy, mister
[04:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[04:19] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, i get E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-mozilla
[04:19] <ecobuntu> Rixter: do you have universe and multiverse repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[04:20] <Ron_o> ubuto, I tried w32 codecs and the only thing I got playing was MPG..
[04:20] <Ron_o> I d/l any codec pacakage I could find on Synaptic in order to play WMV files.
[04:20] <ecobuntu> Ron_o: ubotu is a bot ;)
[04:20] <oskude> i know the easy way to w32codecs, but i wont support w32 :P
[04:20] <coz> Ron_o whats the problem
[04:20] <Ron_o> hehe.. :)
[04:20] <oskude> WMV is a MS format, go complain to them !
[04:20] <Ron_o> coz, if I really knew I could solve it. :)
[04:21] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, i think so.... i have a line deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:21] <Ron_o> oskdude, not only that but the only player I get working at all is Mplayer.
[04:21] <Ron_o> kaffeine, Totem et al. doesn't recognize any of my codecs.
[04:21] <coz> totem-xine is better if you have all the added libs etc
[04:21] <jack-> ron_o
[04:21] <oskude> Ron_o, yeah, mplayer rocks :)
[04:21] <ecobuntu> Rixter: post your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[04:21] <jack-> totem-xine should work too if you have w32codecs installed
[04:21] <coz> Ron_o if it is totem-gstreamer it won't
[04:22] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, comments and all?
[04:22] <senectus> hey I have text file with a string of number in it like this: ^2946^2432^2264^3283^3075^2977 Is there some simpe way to insert a space before every ^ symbol??
[04:22] <coz> you need totem-xine
[04:22] <earthen> what is a good GUI FTP client to install that can use SSHFTP
[04:22] <Ron_o> what I don't understand is why the others don't even recognize one of my codecs..
[04:22] <coz> I have vlc, totem -xine I play all movies. avi etc
[04:22] <coz> no problems
[04:22] <ecobuntu> Rixter: sure
[04:22] <jack-> earthen: get gftp-ssl from seveas' extra repo
[04:22] <oskude> senectus, not really an easy way but google on "grep"
[04:22] <RiXtEr> senectus, use nano and replace all
[04:22] <coz> If you need a walk through i can give you the url
[04:22] <Ron_o> coz, I figured somebody did...
[04:22] <marz> oskude: I tried apt-getting mingw32 (binaries and utilities) but it didn't work with vlc or mplayer, I assume this isn't the problem
[04:22] <Ron_o> give the url, please.
[04:23] <earthen> jack-, thanks I will try it
[04:23] <coz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:23] <oskude> !tell marz  about w32codecs
[04:23] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, .... what is the pastebin site again... isn't it just pastebin.org, or is it nopaste.org?
[04:23] <mgcross> HELP: I just tryied accesing my smart media card using a card reader, it work fine at first, then screwed up...my camera wont see it anymore.Ive tried reformating it: vfat, but it's lost space and the cam still gives me an error when I insert it!
[04:23] <jack-> earthen: you could also try iglooftp-pro
[04:23] <jack-> but its not free
[04:23] <coz> marz you need two things automatix which I like and the url I just gave out
[04:24] <senectus> RiXtEr, excellent.. thanks.. gedit does the same thing perfectly
[04:24] <marz> coz: Thanks, what is automatix?
[04:24] <ecobuntu> Rixter: not sure...just google any pastebin site
[04:24] <coz> If you use automatix install the debian menu really nice to find apps that don't show up in the applications menu
[04:24] <oskude> stfu with automatix, tell people the truht !
[04:24] <Ron_o> and how does someone configure gnome-open to use a certain player.?
[04:24] <bob2> mgcross: this sounds like a camera or card problem, not an ubuntu one
[04:24] <bob2> mgcross: tho I'd not recommend using mkfs on anything you want a camera to use
[04:25] <earthen> jack-, what do i find that one
[04:25] <coz> automatix is fine ifyou use it right
[04:25] <jack-> use google
[04:25] <oskude> mgcross, did you probeply unmount the drive before "plugging out" ?
[04:25] <jack-> its not in any repo, i think
[04:25] <marz> what is automatix?
[04:25] <jack-> but gftp is fine too
[04:25] <oskude> !automatix
[04:25] <ubotu> methinks automatix is an application that automatically installs many popular programs, particularly the proprietary formats that don't ship with most distros by default. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[04:25] <coz> It is an app to install certain things that can be hard to find
[04:25] <coz>  I like it for the debian menu
[04:25] <Ron_o> automatix is apparently some script do d/l apps.
[04:26] <marz> so it's similar to my apt-get way of doing things?
[04:26] <coz> If you want a copy I can send it to you
[04:26] <lu> hi anyone speak  spanisk
[04:26] <Ron_o> marz, other than being automatrix!
[04:26] <oskude> marz, no, automatic = apt-get. but it does install stuff on your ubuntulog
[04:26] <mgcross> oskude: yes, I ejected it.. I tried roformating with the disk tool, as I was have permision problems...now the cam wont see it
[04:26] <marz> ok guys
[04:26] <dino`> what package do i need to install mplayer-amd64?
[04:27] <bimberi> !es
[04:27] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:27] <ecobuntu> damn my printer doesn't work with dapper yet
[04:27] <ecobuntu> oh well
[04:27] <mgcross> it was working fine until I tried using a card reader to access my photos faster
[04:27] <ogami1972> automatix can be a real godsend, especially if you have a habit of breaking your system (i do it all the time as a newbie). The only problem i have had with it is the midi implementation
[04:27] <oskude> mgcross, please reformat it with your camera and on mounting use "auto"
[04:27] <coz> wyy misi implementation?
[04:27] <Ron_o> dino, it should explain it in synaptic package manager.
[04:27] <coz>  It works for me but you have to have all the libs as well
[04:27] <coz> midi
[04:27] <coz> sorry big fingers
[04:27] <mgcross> I have no way to reformat using the cam, it just gives me a card missing error
[04:28] <dino`> Ron_o: how? theres something missing in source.list
[04:28] <Ron_o> then upgrade it and update it....
[04:28] <oskude> i tried automatix once, and it asked sudo password when starting > badly coded -> delete...
[04:28] <Ron_o> wait, let me look.
[04:28] <ogami1972> It alegedly install midi implementation along with TiMIDIty
[04:28] <dino`> it didnt work.. :/
[04:28] <lightbright> sethk: you back? :)
[04:28] <HMS> ubuntu or, any deb files configure Belkin 54G wireless pcmcia easily?
[04:28] <ogami1972> it kinda messed up my soundcard
[04:28] <coz> you did something wrong dude it asks for a keyring password to be established
[04:28] <oskude> !belkin
[04:28] <ubotu> oskude: Are you smoking crack?
[04:28] <coz> use the same password you use for your logon
[04:28] <oskude> :)
[04:29] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, http://erxz.com/pb/259
[04:29] <oskude> HMS, try search on ubuntuforums.org, i saw something about belking...
[04:29] <andresh> ubuntu-es
[04:29] <andresh> ups
[04:29] <HMS> 10-4
[04:29] <andresh> sorry
[04:29] <HMS> been there, done that... will go back.. ;o)
[04:29] <smo> mgcross, what size card is it?
[04:30] <oskude> andresh, no harm done :)
[04:30] <andresh> xD
[04:30] <lightbright> is gnomebacker as good as k3b?
[04:30] <lightbright> backer
[04:30] <ogami1972> not in my uses
[04:30] <lightbright> baker sorry
[04:30] <coz> Ok let me ask again if there is any way to edit the preferences menu or any other menu other than applications
[04:30] <ogami1972> but i may just be attatched
[04:30] <mgcross> smo: 125 meg
[04:30] <paxmaster> can some give me example of using tar with L M  F option
[04:30] <oskude> i like gnomebacker more that k3b, but i dont burn much...
[04:30] <rafael> Hello everybody! How can I change the ubuntu logo on gnome panel next to Application menu? I alreay tried to change the /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png..but after "killall gnome-panel" but nothing happens ...the ubuntu logo stills there!!
[04:30] <Epix> hmm, quake3 runs! but it is using Mesa and no hardware exceleration. how do i make hardware exceleration work?!
[04:31] <oskude> rafael, that would be an question in gnome forum/list
[04:31] <marz> wow, automatix rocks, thanks guys :)
[04:31] <whyameye> to set an environment variable on login, do I add the shell command to .bashrc?
[04:31] <RiXtEr> Epix, depends on what kinda vid card you use
[04:31] <lightbright> paxmaster: tar -xzvf /path/to
[04:31] <Epix> I get this error  You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[04:31] <coz> ther you go marz
[04:31] <Ron_o> dino, I don't see anything in synaptic for the AMD.
[04:31] <lu> please  how do i to enter to ubuntu-es   please
[04:31] <rafael> oskude, sorry for that!
[04:31] <marz> coz: :)
[04:31] <RiXtEr> Epix, plus its acceleration
[04:31] <Epix> RiXtEr: nvidia
[04:31] <smo> mgcross, you may need to format it as fat16.  a surprising number of cameras don't use fat32 yet.  'mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/device' should get you somewhere if you're comfortable with the terminal
[04:31] <coz> marz noe you have to use the url I gave also
[04:31] <Epix> RiXtEr: plus, i cant spell :P
[04:31] <lightbright> oskude: why do you prefer gnomebaker over k3b?
[04:31] <RiXtEr> Epix, good luck... !nvidia
[04:32] <RiXtEr> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:32] <Epix> !nvidia
[04:32] <marz> coz: for the win32 thing? If I already downloaded, do I use automatix to install or do I install myself
[04:32] <earthen> could someone point me to the ubuntu Repositories page
[04:32] <lightbright> !gnomebaker
[04:32] <ubotu> lightbright: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:32] <Epix> RiXtEr: it doesnt work will on nvidia, eh?
[04:32] <oskude> rafael, you dont have to appoligize about that... just saying you have better changes on the forum/list of the makers of the software
[04:32] <coz> either way if you already have just install them
[04:32] <overridex> does breezy use xorg by default?
[04:32] <overridex> or xfree?
[04:32] <lightbright> earthen: what do you seek?
[04:32] <coz> did you try that url marz?
[04:33] <RiXtEr> Epix, i have been working on getting my card going for a couple days now... but i am on dialup... if i only had highspeed.....
[04:33] <lightbright> overridex: xorg
[04:33] <overridex> lightbright: thanks
[04:33] <marz> coz: yes, it gave me a list of links, and I downloaded the last one (with the w32 name in it)
[04:33] <lightbright> RiXtEr: join the club
[04:33] <Epix> RiXtEr: hm, i used to have the nvidia drivers working but then i wiped this comp.
[04:33] <lightbright> overridex: welcome :)
[04:33] <mgcross> smo: it's an old cam - I tried dosfsck -a /media/usbdisk/ and it tells me that this is a directory
[04:33] <ecobuntu> Rixter: http://erxz.com/pb/260
[04:33] <marz> coz: but now do I use automatix to set it up, or do I copy and paste the files in the tarball myself?
[04:33] <coz> great you should have audio and video capabilities now
[04:33] <lightbright> overridex: look in /etc/X11
[04:33] <Ron_o> lu let me try and look up languange for ya..
[04:33] <Ron_o> wait.
[04:33] <oskude> lightbright, cause its gnome based :) (and looks better) so not really a "working" compare, i've used both, and both seem to work, so it maybe a question of taste..
[04:33] <RiXtEr> Epix, i can have them up and running pretty well with gentoo pretty quick...
[04:33] <ecobuntu> Rixter: i changed it...you can either make it look like this or just add the words where i did
[04:33] <whyameye> where is the equivalent of autoexec.bat for ubuntu?
[04:33] <marz> coz: oh ok, I think I know what to do. Thanks agin
[04:33] <earthen> I want to add some extra Repositories some of mine are failing to update
[04:34] <Epix> RiXtEr: compiling = long.
[04:34] <coz> just make checls next to what you want install
[04:34] <purplefeltangel> how do you run a filter on Evolution?
[04:34] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, thanks! i am new to debian still...
[04:34] <coz> try the debian menu it really rocks
[04:34] <lightbright> oskude: ok :)
[04:34] <paxmaster> well I want to backup somethink up to a scsi type drive but the data is 64 GB size and the type can only hold 50GB
[04:34] <ogami1972> don't forget to add opera
[04:34] <smo> mgcross: dosfsck wants the path to the device, not the mounted filesystem
[04:34] <ecobuntu> Rixter: no problem...you could even just copy it directly from that website...also you don't really need hoary-backports anymore
[04:34] <lightbright> earthen: you want the latest for breeze?
[04:34] <god> I need uhm...help/
[04:34] <oskude> lightbright, and AFAIK, both use cdrecord (or how was it called) to actually burn the cds...
[04:34] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, ah thanks :)
[04:34] <nthwaver> This may seem like a mouthfull: to help learn PHP, I'm trying to install Apache, but after Synaptic it doesn't launch in the terminal.  Am I missing something?
[04:34] <earthen> lightbright, yes
[04:34] <coz> marz if it aske for keyroing password set up put your logon password in
[04:34] <ogami1972> hooray- i knew you would need my help one day, god
[04:34] <god> I can't go to www.google.com
[04:34] <paxmaster> I read it some about the tar -L -M option
[04:34] <coz>  it is easier that way but up to you
[04:35] <lightbright> earthen: type this:  sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <coz> keyring
[04:35] <lightbright> oskude: ok
[04:35] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, select the messages you want to filter, and hit ctl-y
[04:35] <lightbright> earthen: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <lu> please   how  do i enter to ubunto-es   please
[04:35] <marz> coz: yeah, I got it all setup. Thanks a lot man. I even got nVidia drivers working
[04:35] <mgcross> smo: mkfs.vfat: /dev/sdc1 contains a mounted file system.
[04:35] <ogami1972> can you go elsewhere god?
[04:35] <god> I've never been on Ubuntu..I've only been on Fedora Core and Gentoo LiveCD
[04:35] <Ron_o> lu try #ubnuntu-es
[04:35] <god> Yeah I can.
[04:35] <coz> reat!!!
[04:35] <ogami1972> i mean, you are all-powerful
[04:35] <coz> great!!
[04:35] <m[a] ikeru> hi
[04:35] <lightbright> earthen: cvopy & paste that
[04:35] <nickrud> lu, /join #ubuntu-es
[04:35] <oskude> god, whats the "error" message ?
[04:35] <coz> sorry big fingers
[04:35] <Epix> lu: type /join #ubuntu-es
[04:35] <ecobuntu> Rixter: no problem...there are breezy-backports open now that's why you don't need hoary-backports
[04:35] <paxmaster> and I never use the option
[04:35] <mgcross> smo: unmounted and got this: mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sdc1
[04:35] <lightbright> god: you are no god.
[04:36] <ogami1972> now now
[04:36] <m[a] ikeru> in the ubuntu live cd when it gives me the boot: option with the purty ubuntu logo right away, what can I put in there to make it skip the GUI and give me CLI (command line)
[04:36] <ogami1972> even god likes to google
[04:36] <coz> any ideas on editing the preferences menu???
[04:36] <lu> that  problem  i dont know   how   please   help  me
[04:36] <earthen> lightbright,  ok
[04:36] <evilmegaman> hey, I am getting an intel Pentium D processor computer, And I am wondering what architecture it uses so I know what version of ubuntu to download.
[04:36] <smo> mgcross: are you using sudo? your user hopefully doesn't have read privs to most block devices
[04:36] <Ron_o> dino, I can't speak in privave. try DCC me.
[04:36] <coz> i think god like yahoo on occasion
[04:36] <oskude> lightbright, there are languages where god != god...
[04:36] <god> It just won't let me go to any website, really.
[04:36] <r0wr-r0wr> hey what's up guys
[04:36] <ogami1972> didi it ever?
[04:36] <Epix> is there a visual xorg conf tool?
[04:36] <kandoora_> once i finish installing java do i need to killall or something?
[04:36] <ecobuntu> Rixter: btw...you could change hoary-extras to breezy-extras
[04:36] <god> But I can ping them.
[04:36] <nickrud> lu, simply type /join #ubuntu-es
[04:36] <lightbright> earthen: then after that, type: sudo aptitude update
[04:36] <mgcross> smo: nope, I'll try it
[04:37] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, just change the name of it from hoary to breezy?
[04:37] <lightbright> bimberi: you here? :)
[04:37] <whyameye> where is the PATH variable and how can I extend it?
[04:37] <ecobuntu> Rixter: yup
[04:37] <lu> ok nickrud    y try it
[04:37] <oskude> god, on that error report i could say it really should go there... i mean, be more precice (error messages ) ?
[04:37] <earthen> my sorces list is now a web page ???
[04:37] <nickrud> kandoora_, no, type java -version, to test
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> anyone?
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> please?
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> I'm in a bit of a hurry
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> not in the mood for CLI
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> er
[04:37] <m[a] ikeru> GUI
[04:37] <god> Hey look I think it just worked.
[04:37] <senectus> how do I turn a row of data into a column of data in openoffice calc?
[04:37] <ogami1972> god's on dial-up
[04:37] <mgcross> smo: sudo mkfs.vfat -F 16 /dev/sdc
[04:37] <mgcross> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[04:37] <mgcross> /dev/sdc: No medium found
[04:37] <god> Maybe it just needed a little complaining from me..?
[04:37] <god> Nah. I'm on DSL
[04:38] <earthen> lightbright, I don't this it went right
[04:38] <god> I just BARELY installed ubuntu.
[04:38] <nthwaver> so, what's so special about Apache?  How does one launch it in terminal?
[04:38] <earthen> lightbright, think*
[04:38] <oskude> m[a] ikeru, CTRL+ALT+1-6 give you a text console
[04:38] <arcanistherogue> hey how do i get totem to use the xine engine?  i want it to play videos in firefox correctly
[04:38] <lightbright> earthen: think?
[04:38] <lightbright> earthen: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:38] <smo> mgcross, try sdc1 (you should be formatting a partition, not a whole disk)
[04:38] <ecobuntu> well that makes sense why dapper wasn't seeing my printer
[04:38] <god> I think it's not going to go to this one site.
[04:38] <earthen> lightbright, it didn't go right! may sources.list is now a webpage
[04:38] <ecobuntu> it wasn't plugged in or on
[04:38] <ecobuntu> ;)
[04:38] <bimberi> lightbright: i am now :)
[04:39] <lightbright> earthen: ok open your sources.list
[04:39] <Epix> how do i change which video driver xorg uses?
[04:39] <senectus> nthwaver, /usr/sbin/apache2ctl start
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> anyone
[04:39] <lightbright> bimberi:  good, was missing ya ;)
[04:39] <god> tmsnc.sourceforge.net =) It's struggling..I'll get you an error message here in one sec.
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> how to get totem working with xine
[04:39] <lightbright> earthen: is it open for edit?
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> i need to get it properly in firefox
[04:39] <bimberi> lightbright: but ...  god is here :P
[04:39] <earthen> lightbright, I'm doing your last command
[04:39] <jack-> arcanis, apt-get install totem-xine
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> k
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[04:39] <ecobuntu> wasn't someone having a codecs issue earlier?
[04:39] <arcanistherogue> jack-: that just amkes it work
[04:39] <lightbright> bimberi:  he is no god.
[04:39] <jack-> it will remove totem-gstreamer automatically
[04:39] <senectus> how do I turn a row of data into a column of data in openoffice calc?
[04:39] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, man... if its not one thing.. now i get this 99% [5 Packages gzip 0]  [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (216.165.129.138)] 
[04:39] <RiXtEr> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[04:39] <god> bimberi: I'm not REALLY God, it's just my Ubuntu username.
[04:39] <ecobuntu> it might be because the gstreamer engine was installed and not the xine enginge
[04:40] <arcanistherogue> k
[04:40] <oskude> people, how should we help people when they say "my car wont drive" ? there are like 1000 possibilites, be more precice and post some error messages!!!
[04:40] <earthen> lightbright, yes i have it open now and it the same
[04:40] <ecobuntu> Rixter: which one?
[04:40] <jack-> you might want to apt-get install w32codecs, too
[04:40] <purplefeltangel> is there a spam filter on Evolution?
[04:40] <earthen> lightbright, alot of html code
[04:40] <smo> that's reassuring .. the thought that even god couldn't live without google was starting to worry me
[04:40] <ecobuntu> Rixter: it's probably for the extras...
[04:40] <RiXtEr> Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages [116kB] 
[04:40] <lightbright> earthen: then type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <bimberi> god: :)
[04:40] <lightbright> earthen: just type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:40] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, yes, it uses spamassassin.
[04:40] <lightbright> earthen: is it open?
[04:40] <god> bimberi: I share this computer with myself. =D
[04:41] <lightbright> earthen: paste it to pastebin for me
[04:41] <ecobuntu> Rixter: wierd...well that should work...just try to reload it...or delete the 'us' from the address
[04:41] <earthen> lightbright, yes i have it open all ready
[04:41] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, how do you set that up?
[04:41] <marz> hey guys, one last question, after using automatix where do I run winecfg (to configure wine), bash says command not found
[04:41] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good way to preview "exactly" how OpenOffice *.doc files will look when opened up in MS Word? without using wine, possibly a website...
[04:41] <oskude> OMG its 0440 hours....
[04:41] <Epix> time to restart x
[04:41] <god> ogami1972: It's still loading to Text-based MSN Client website..
[04:41] <senectus> how do I turn a row of data into a column of data in openoffice calc?
[04:41] <lightbright> earthen: that command I gave you works for everyone but you!  so I guess you are reading your file wrong.  so paste it for me
[04:41] <mgcross> smo: sudo mkfs.vfat -I -F 16 /dev/sdc1
[04:41] <mgcross> mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)
[04:41] <mgcross> /dev/sdc1: No such file or directory
[04:41] <kandoora_> nick
[04:41] <kandoora_> nickrud, thanx
[04:41] <Ron_o> senectus: that is probably offtopic.
[04:41] <oskude> Knowerrors, think again, is MS open source ? why should it look like MS in other than MS ?
[04:41] <ogami1972> eww
[04:41] <lightbright> earthen: paste your sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:42] <Ron_o> try OO ..
[04:42] <god> AHH WAIT IT just came up with error messages all over
[04:42] <smo> mgcross: it sounds like you ejected it when you umounted it (note that eject doesn't have to physically eject the media, but as far as the computer is concerned, it's gone all the same)
[04:42] <earthen> lightbright, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4820
[04:42] <mgcross> smo: thaks foir the help BTW
[04:42] <god> ogami1972, bimberi, "The operation timed out when attempting to contact tmsnc.sourceforge.net."
[04:42] <ogami1972> god, have you tried the dsl config tool?
[04:42] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, in /etc/default/spamassassin, set ENABLED=1 ; then sudo /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart.
[04:42] <god> ogami1972, Where is that found?
[04:42] <earthen> lightbright, I see that there are some sources listed in with the html code
[04:42] <ecobuntu> that's good sound...the sound of a dell 30-in-one printer printing!
[04:42] <senectus> Ron_o, OO is dead :-P I don't see how it could be off topic.. it's a supported Ubuntu product :-P
[04:43] <Epix> Nvidia drivers up, but will quake3 work?
[04:43] <smo> mgcross: not a problem .. I've confused my camera enough times that I figured out how to keep it happy.  using fat16 on anything smaller than 2Gb was one of the biggies
[04:43] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, think that did it... gonna take 16 mins to find out...
[04:43] <lightbright> earthen: did you type it exactly as I showed!  for it works for everyone biut you, si guess you did error
[04:43] <ecobuntu> Rixter: wow...really?  are you on a slow connection?
[04:43] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, what?
[04:43] <ogami1972> /usr/bin/ppoeconf
[04:43] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, :)
[04:43] <ecobuntu> Rixter: try 'apt-cache search flashplayer'
[04:43] <earthen> I copy and past your command
[04:44] <oskude> the most common "error" is a typo :)
[04:44] <ecobuntu> purplefeltangel is an expert at resizing NTFS partitions ;)
[04:44] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, please explain that in "n00b-talk."
[04:44] <earthen> I am using Ubuntu 64 if that makes any differants or not
[04:44] <lightbright> earthen: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4820  = empty
[04:44] <purplefeltangel> ecobuntu: you'd better believe it.
[04:44] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, sudo gedit /etc/default/spamassassin ; find the line that says enabled=0, and change that to 1.
[04:44] <mgcross> smo: still not working...trying to mount manually
[04:44] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, ok
[04:44] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, yeah on dialup ... will try
[04:44] <Epix> wow, that was amazingly fast, it works! Now, to find my CDKEY
[04:45] <lightbright> earthen: go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 and copy and paste that
[04:45] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, uh, it's blank.
[04:45] <ogami1972> god- make that "usr/bin/pppoeconf"
[04:45] <earthen> that link i gave you is working for me strange
[04:45] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, must have spelt it wrong, a sec
[04:45] <god> ogami1972, Alright.
[04:45] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, i get alot of cannot stat source...
[04:45] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, i will just wait for it to update
[04:45] <nickrud>  /etc/default/spamassassin
[04:45] <rixth> How do I access the documenation that I download with apt? ie, packagename-doc?
[04:45] <ecobuntu> Rixter: oh...well that's sweet that your modem works!
[04:46] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, same shit.
[04:46] <god> ogami1972:  No such file or directory.
[04:46] <lightbright> earthen: go there and copy ans paste that
[04:46] <earthen> lightbright, are the repostiores the same for 64 and i386
[04:46] <ecobuntu> Rixter: i have a winmodem and it's a POS and doesn't work under linux...well it probably could but i don't want to spend the time to play with it
[04:46] <bob2> rixth: /usr/share/doc/blah/, usually
[04:46] <liable> rixth: /usr/share/doc/foo
[04:46] <ogami1972> yeah- i have the debian menu installed- do you?
[04:46] <rixth> Thanks.
[04:46] <oskude> rixth, most of the docs are saved in /usr/share/doc/*
[04:46] <Epix> Linux: Spyware cant touch this.
[04:46] <ogami1972> if so it is in apps-sysytem
[04:46] <dino`> can anyone guide me through installing this package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Fm%2Fmplayer%2Fmplayer-amd64_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu11_amd64.deb&md5sum=d38797614a95b51272b2ea733760c5a8&arch=amd64&type=main
[04:47] <h2theizzo> ok,how do i change the permissions of a file so anyone can write to it?
[04:47] <oskude> Epix, yes it can, but theres now one to crack it :)
[04:47] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, heh, you may have to apt-get install spamassassin first ; I've been using it for so long I may have forgotten I had to install it
[04:47] <lightbright> earthen: dont think so, ask bimberi
[04:47] <lightbright> earthen: you running breezy on x86?
[04:47] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, ok, thx
[04:47] <oskude> h2theizzo, "man chmod"
[04:47] <ogami1972> oh- sorry god- make that "usr/sbin/pppoeconf"
[04:47] <bob2> dino`: why aren't you using synaptic?
[04:47] <bob2> h2theizzo: sure that's a good idea?
[04:47] <h2theizzo> thanks :)
[04:47] <h2theizzo> yeah
[04:47] <h2theizzo> its just a html file
[04:47] <h2theizzo> i need a program to write to
[04:47] <earthen> lightbright, no I'm running 64 bit ed.
[04:47] <h2theizzo> but it doesnt have permission
[04:47] <dino`> bob2: because i cant find mplayer-amd64 there or mplayer at all...
[04:48] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, sorry, I've been using those two together for so long, I sometimes think in shorthand
[04:48] <oskude> h2theizzo, "chmod user:group <file>" is allso agood tip
[04:48] <tiglionabbit> how do I pass boot-time options to grub?
[04:48] <bob2> dino`: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:48] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, ok. thank you :D
[04:48] <lightbright> bob2: I thoguht synaptic was for the kids and aptitude for the men? :)
[04:48] <earthen> lightbright, AMD64 4800+
[04:48] <lightbright> earthen: well im not sure about that sourceslist then
[04:48] <lightbright> earthen: ask bimberi  or bob2 about that
[04:48] <god> ogami1972, It never made me set up root password or anything? How do I set that up? Sorry, I'm not a ubuntu regular.
[04:48] <oskude> lightbright, apt-get is for men (aptitude is for wanna be men :)
[04:48] <ogami1972> synaptic is more newbies, aptitude is for elitists
[04:48] <bimberi> earthen: same repos for amd64
[04:48] <earthen> lightbright, ok thanks
[04:49] <lightbright> oskude: hehe ;)  good one
[04:49] <tiglionabbit> god: read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:49] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, ok, now what?
[04:49] <nickrud> cpio is the real deal
[04:49] <ecobuntu> ogami1972: i just perfer command line apt-get
[04:49] <earthen> bimberi, ok thanks for the info
[04:49] <bimberi> earthen: ok
[04:49] <ogami1972> use this code: "sudo /usr/sbin/pppoeconf" and enter your own password
[04:49] <bimberi> np :)
[04:49] <ecobuntu> oskude: i agee ;_
[04:49] <lightbright> earthen: I told you bimberi  would know :)
[04:49] <ogami1972> apt-get is great, but it easier to add suggested packages in aptitude, and aptitude will remove packages no longer needed
[04:49] <oskude> but then again, all (aptitude, synaptic..) use apt-get (or dpkg)
[04:50] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, did you do the enable in /etc/default/spamassassin?
[04:50] <mgcross> smo: got it to format, Ubuntu's sees it as a 125 meg smart media car, but only shows 117 meg free: the camera still can't see it.
[04:50] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, yes
[04:50] <mgcross> smo: crap
[04:50] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, i bought a external modem ~25 bux from newegg i think
[04:50] <earthen> lightbright, you did! and you were right too
[04:50] <lightbright> earthen: so go to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 and copy and paste that into your sources.list overwriting whats there now
[04:50] <bimberi> lightbright: the url in that wget command needs to have a "d" in it - that is .../d2325
[04:50] <earthen> lightbright, i did all ready
[04:50] <smo> mgcross: ditto.  the camera should be fine with a newly formatted card .. else they wouldn't work off-the-shelf
[04:50] <coz> sorry guys idiot here
[04:50] <lightbright> bimberi:  ahh thats why it wasnt working :P
[04:50] <ecobuntu> Rixter: well if it works...it works!
[04:50] <coz>  how do I  install .deb package again?
[04:51] <bimberi> lightbright: :)
[04:51] <ecobuntu> coz: dpkg -i *.deb
[04:51] <oskude> coz, "dpkg -i <package>
[04:51] <coz> thanks
[04:51] <lightbright> bimberi:  thats weird for i gave it to others before and they said thanks to me :P lol
[04:51] <ogami1972> dpkg -i your package.deb
[04:51] <coz> dahh!!
[04:51] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, then, in evolution's preferences, on the junk tab, enable it. That's it, unless you have an IMAP account. Then you'll have to enable it for that mail account.
[04:51] <lightbright> earthen: did you see what bimberi  said?
[04:51] <lightbright> bimberi:  can you give earthen  the whole wget command?
[04:51] <oskude> and there are now stupid questions, just stupid answers :)
[04:51] <mgcross> smo: when I sudo dosfsck -a /dev/sdc
[04:51] <mgcross> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[04:51] <mgcross> /dev/sdc: 0 files, 0/60117 clusters
[04:51] <ecobuntu> paster!!!
[04:51] <ogami1972> i have both
[04:51] <bimberi> lightbright, earthen: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:52] <god> ogami1972, You left! I almost died. Anyways. I ran the pppoeconf and it didn't work.
[04:52] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, it's checked. :/
[04:52] <smo> mgcross, it still claims fat32?  did you use mkfs -F 16  ?
[04:52] <lightbright> bimberi:  ok ill copy that and give to others in the future :) thanks
[04:52] <ogami1972> hear that folks? i leave and god dies- don't mess with me
[04:52] <mgcross> smo: looks like the filesystem is sdc instead of sdc1
[04:52] <bimberi> bimberi: np :)
[04:52] <oskude> ogami1972, lol :)
[04:52] <lightbright> earthen: sudo http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:52] <ogami1972> well, let's see- you say you can ping
[04:52] <ogami1972> ?
[04:52] <god> He was the only one helping me. Everyone else is horrible.
[04:52] <god> =D
[04:52] <lightbright> oops
[04:53] <lightbright> earthen: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:53] <bimberi> gee thanks god :P
[04:53] <smo> mgcross, that is odd.  I'm fairly sure the filesystem should be in a partition
[04:53] <oskude> yeah, we suck on trying to help windows users :)
[04:53] <RiXtEr> !java
[04:53] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:53] <god> bimberi: You're welcome <3
[04:53] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, wait for some junk :)
[04:53] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, there's some in my inbox and it has not detected it. D:
[04:54] <lightbright> bimberi:  I had to reinsall breezy today!  it didnt load anymore! I think because I installed 7 or 8 KDE apps it broke it!
[04:54] <earthen> lightbright, that good to know for next time
[04:54] <god> ogami1972, Yeah I can ping
[04:54] <oskude> scnr, java and flash are like pain in the arsch, who needs them...
[04:54] <lightbright> earthen: yeah :)
[04:54] <nalioth> lightbright: i doubt it, unless you used non ubuntu repos
[04:54] <nickrud> purplefeltangel, the junk filter checks mail before putting it in the inbox. That mail arrived before the filter was started.
[04:54] <bimberi> lightbright: :/
[04:54] <ogami1972> what browser are you using?
[04:54] <lightbright> earthen: sorry I left out the 'd'
[04:54] <mgcross> smo: gtparted shows it as such (fat16) but it's showing 32 mb used, as well
[04:55] <god> ogami1972, 64 bytes from tmnsc.sourceforge.com (66.35.250.203): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=57.9 ms
[04:55] <god> 64 bytes from tmnsc.sourceforge.com (66.35.250.203): icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=58.6 ms
[04:55] <god> 64 bytes from tmnsc.sourceforge.com (66.35.250.203): icmp_seq=3 ttl=52 time=57.4 ms
[04:55] <purplefeltangel> nickrud, ok. thx
[04:55] <god> ogami1972,  I'm using FireFox
[04:55] <earthen> lightbright, no problem you tried and thats what really matters, thanks fro your help
[04:55] <MasterObinWanK> Hello I download the lastest Ubuntu 5.10 and I have an Asus W5 notebook with realtekhigh definition audio and Intel 915 video, how can I enable this hardware?
[04:55] <lightbright> nalioth: i typed: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  but had to stop after 7 apps were installed because my modem was too slow
[04:55] <lightbright> earthen:  :)
[04:55] <`23meg> i'm having a weird nvidia problem after reinstalling the driver; desktop icons get repainted very slow
[04:55] <ogami1972> have you tried a different browser yet?
[04:55] <`23meg> i see blank space displayed in the place of icons for about a second when switching workspaces
[04:55] <smo> mgcross, some will show as used simply because the filesystem eats a chunk for itself (the fat table)
[04:55] <nalioth_zZz> lightbright: you did nothing to affect your box by doing that
[04:56] <smo> 32mb sounds like a lot tho :/
[04:56] <god> ogami1972, Let me try something real quick
[04:56] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz:  and after that it stopped loading
[04:56] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz:  so what broke it?
[04:56] <god> ogami1972, What other browsers are there....?
[04:56] <nalioth_zZz> lightbright: your attempted update did not affect it
[04:56] <god> ogami1972, on Ubuntu, I mean.
[04:56] <MasterObinWanK> Hello I download the lastest Ubuntu 5.10 and I have an Asus W5 notebook with realtekhigh definition sound card, anyoneknows how to enable this ?
[04:56] <earthen> Are there meny people in here using the Ubuntu 64 bit version
[04:56] <taomaster> how do i change my resoultion, i 4 got  to install the nivida drivers when i reinstalled
[04:56] <mgcross> smo: whoa! just deleted the partition using gtparted and then ran dosfsck on dev/sdc and got: dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[04:56] <mgcross> Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 97.
[04:56] <RiXtEr> ecobuntu, 72% done now :)
[04:57] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz: it wouldnt load anymore after that!  I could use startx from safe mode, but when gnome loaded all my configuration was gone
[04:57] <mgcross> smo: WTF!!!???
[04:57] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz:  so what else broke it?
[04:57] <nalioth_zZz> lightbright: i have no idea
[04:57] <oskude> taomaster, System>Preferences>Screen Resolution
[04:57] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz: ok bye
[04:57] <lightbright> nalioth_zZz:  sleep well :)
[04:57] <ogami1972> the first thing i would try would be putting the address into the url bar in nautilus
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> ever since it upgraded the acpi package, my laptop has problems with its hard drive
[04:58] <ogami1972> oh wait- i mena konqueror
[04:58] <tiglionabbit> it broke everything relating to acpi
[04:58] <ogami1972> i would also "sudo apt-get install dillo"
[04:58] <oskude> tiglionabbit, update shouldnt be aproblem, but upgrade is allways a "lets hope it works"...
[04:58] <taomaster> been there -there's not an option to go to 1280-1024
[04:58] <nightwing> The earlier suggested fix didn't work... anyone else know why my mp3 player (which works like a removable USB drive, a Sandisk Sansa model) is "read only" in Ubuntu (Breezy)?
[04:59] <Epix> can wine run dos programs?
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> oskude: I'm going to restart once more with acpi on and see if it works.  I was getting awful "hda: device not ready" errors on boot before
[04:59] <oskude> taomaster, whats your monitor ? does it can over 1024 with pver 60hz ?
[04:59] <tiglionabbit> IO errors
[04:59] <god> ogami1972, I opened a seperate window with you, go there please.
[04:59] <smo> Epix, there's a chance it doesn't, it's meant to provide a windows api.  try it, if not, look for dosbox
[04:59] <taomaster> sony
[04:59] <ogami1972> oh really- sorry, i'm using xchat
[05:00] <oskude> tiglionabbit, sry, but i never used ACPI duntions on linuse :(
[05:00] <Moco> kismet takes a loooong time to install
[05:00] <taomaster> i 4got to change the settings when reinstalling the o/s
[05:00] <oskude> taomaster, yeah, sony has like how many different monitors ? what model exectly ? what does the manual say about resolutions ?
[05:00] <ogami1972> this is my advice to you, because in truth i am a newbie my self- goto  "ubuntuforums" channel- i like this channel, but all my best help has come from there
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> hm, =P  seems to be working now.  Perhaps it just needed a rest.  It was screwing up pretty badly before, poor thing.  I let it sit for two days and it seems to have healed
[05:01] <Moco> lol
[05:01] <ogami1972> i'm there now
[05:01] <tiglionabbit> probably a temperature problem, not a software one.  Sorry to bother you guys
[05:01] <bob2> paxmaster: if you won't even open up the file, no one can help you
[05:01] <smo> mgcross, I don't supose you have any other cards you use with the camera?  that'd provide a tasty short-cut
[05:02] <paxmaster> i will look in to that thx
[05:03] <Avikar> ok who here knows alot about installing Ubuntu ver 5.04 ?
[05:03] <lightbright> Avikar: why not install 5.10?
[05:04] <Avikar> i dont have it on disk
[05:04] <oskude> Avikar, i got 5.04 still on my main laptop...
[05:04] <lightbright> Avikar: your nick reminds me of caviar :)
[05:04] <mgcross> smo: nope <sigh> my wife is gonna beat me with her "I hate Linux" stick
[05:05] <smo> Avikar, are you having any specific questions?  that'd help get you specific answers much quicker
[05:05] <lightbright> mgcross: whats wrong?  besides being married? :)
[05:05] <smo> (I've been awake 20 hours .. my grammar is now officially aweful.)
[05:05] <lightbright> smo: why do you sleep?
[05:05] <Avikar> i installed it useing the ex3 pertition format when i reboot to load the software freezes  after   "uncompressing linux......ok, booting kernel"
[05:05] <mgcross> how do I delete the partition on dev/sdc from the cmd line?
[05:05] <randy> back again
[05:06] <smo> lightbright, I find sleeping once in a while greatly improves my ability to construct sentences, among other things
[05:06] <senectus> mgcross, I would say that justifies a sound thrashing with the "clue bat" :-)
[05:06] <mgcross> lightbright: smart media card is fuxoered
[05:06] <Corrupter> i have a question about my sound card... lol
[05:06] <lightbright> smo:  its overated!  you can sleep as much as you want after you dead
[05:06] <oskude> smo, im with you, got 20h on the buckle and 4 bottles of beer :)
[05:06] <dell500> omg, this is soooooo stupid, anyone know how to get a 5g ipod working on ubuntu 5.10?
[05:07] <Corrupter> how do i install a new sound card?
[05:07] <oskude> !ipod
[05:07] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[05:07] <dell500> yamipod, gtkpod, amarok, and banshee all suck
[05:07] <lightbright> smo:  there was a soldier from Hungary during the war was shot in the head!  anyway, doctors cant explain what happened but he cant sleep anymore and even after 25 years he was alive and had not slept for 25 years!  true story
[05:07] <thrice`> dell500, gtkpod does not suck...
[05:07] <senectus> Corrupter, uh.. turn the PC off, plug the card in and turn it back on again?
[05:07] <dell500> no, it's sync and everything, but what program accually works in ubuntu well enough to be stable and not crash every 4 minutes
[05:07] <oskude> dell500, what do you mean by suck, dont work ?
[05:07] <Corrupter> did that
[05:07] <Corrupter> nothing
[05:07] <dell500> too many errors
[05:07] <Avikar> what would cause this problem
[05:08] <Avikar> i installed it useing the ex3 pertition format when i reboot to load the software freezes  after   "uncompressing linux......ok, booting kernel"
[05:08] <ClayG> anyone got any recommendations for software like activesync something i can use for my axim?
[05:08] <Corrupter> i just bought a new soundblaster live card
[05:08] <Moco> Oh noes! Something error happen!
[05:08] <thrice`> gtkpod does not crash every 4 minutes...sounds like a user error to me
[05:08] <dell500> thrice`, you can't drag playlists onto the ipod with gtkpod, if you have more than the screen can allow, you can't drag them to the pod
[05:08] <oskude> dell500, scnr, ipod is a macintosh product, go complain to them :)
[05:08] <senectus> Corrupter, okay.. hmm there is a scan for new hardware command.. I'll go look for it
[05:08] <dell500> oskude, true true
[05:08] <Moco> cat /etc/fstab?
[05:09] <dell500> thrice`, user error, how is your's setup?
[05:09] <thrice`> dell500, but putting songs onto your ipod, listening to them from the ipod...who cares about dragability when it works
[05:09] <bimberi> ClayG: multisync might be worth a look
[05:09] <slide> lightbright, did he feel tired?
[05:09] <ClayG> thanks ill check that right now
[05:09] <lightbright> does anyone here want to get rid of that annyoing Trying to initliaze System Clock. ubuntu.org  Failed! ?  I know how to do it? :)
[05:09] <dell500> thrice`, it makes getting them onto the ipod a lot easier
[05:09] <lightbright> slide: no never
[05:09] <slide> sweet
[05:09] <Moco> yes I do lightbrite
[05:09] <oskude> and you must remeber, the people make linux for FREE !
[05:09] <lightbright> slide: something weird must have damaged his brain
[05:09] <lightbright> Moco: ok
[05:09] <slide> wish someone would do that to me
[05:09] <thrice`> how is that constituting it "sucking ?"
[05:09] <dell500> thrice`, if you have about 30+ gigs of music to put on the ipod, does gtkpod freeze?
[05:10] <thrice`> give the guys some credit...he reverse engineered APPLE software so you can use it
[05:10] <Urthmov3r> not all linux was made with free intentions
[05:10] <lightbright> Moco: type this:  sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[05:10] <thrice`> dell500, I only have a mini
[05:10] <rozar> hi
[05:10] <lightbright> does anyone else here want to get rid of that annyoing Trying to initliaze System Clock. ubuntu.org  Failed! from their startup sequence?
[05:10] <oskude> thrice`, got any nice cratches yet ;)
[05:10] <dell500> dude, take it personally, i'm still trying to use these, and i do respect the programmers :)
[05:10] <Moco> cool, it worked I think
[05:10] <Ep|phany> does anyone know any good usenet clients other then klibido?
[05:10] <DaBass> !pcmcia
[05:10] <ubotu> DaBass: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:10] <lightbright> Moco: now you will never see that annoying message again ;)
[05:11] <Moco> Yay.
[05:11] <lightbright> Moco: yeah it worked
[05:11] <nickrud> Ep|phany, pan
[05:11] <Ep|phany> is it in reposititories?
[05:11] <lightbright> Moco: i never see it anymore :)
[05:11] <Corrupter> ok... nevermind...
[05:11] <nickrud> Ep|phany, yes, in universe
[05:11] <Moco> That's good. Very good.
[05:11] <Ep|phany> k let me check
[05:11] <Ep|phany> thnx
[05:11] <Corrupter> my sound card is working now... just not playing sound, lol
[05:11] <lightbright> Moco: yeah
[05:11] <lightbright> Moco: can you reboot now and tell me?
[05:11] <Moco> sure
[05:11] <lightbright> Moco: ok
[05:12] <thespore> I'm trying to install gmencoder, i have installed all the dependencies except for one 'liblinc1', when i try to install w/ apt, it says it's refered to by another package, but is not available... can i find out what package refers to it?
[05:12] <thrice`> dell500, i'm not sure saying it "sucks" is much respect =|
[05:12] <oskude> well my point is people start complaining that things wont work on "linux" where the makers didnt give "linux" any info in how to use that device...
[05:12] <dell500> thrice`, i know, it was a harsh term
[05:12] <dell500> thrice`, i apologize :)
[05:12] <DaBass> after apt-get dist-upgrade my pcmcia ethernet stoped working can anybody help me?
[05:13] <purplefeltangel> what are workspaces *for*, exactly?
[05:13] <lightbright> dell500: its take great humility and character to apoligise :)
[05:13] <thrice`> dell500, :) it's nowhere near perfect...but it definitely does it's job
[05:13] <oskude> DaBass, "apt-get upgrade" is something i didnt eve do under debisn...
[05:13] <nickrud> keeping about 50 windows open at once :)
[05:13] <purplefeltangel> lol
[05:13] <purplefeltangel> you can't do that in one workspace?
[05:13] <dell500> lightbright, :)
[05:13] <smo> purplefeltangel, different people organise their lives in different ways.  some of us like to keep all the windows related to one task, in one workspace.  others are happy to have them all over the same desk.  it's all choice
[05:14] <nickrud> ctl-alt-arrow to workspaces, it's quick. You can organize tasks onto different workspaces
[05:14] <dell500> thrice`, i agree, yamipod is disgusting though, it's like error-fantabulous
[05:14] <Corrupter> ok
[05:14] <Corrupter> now i have another problem
[05:14] <Corrupter> my sound card is being read by ubuntu, but i can't hear anything
[05:14] <dell500> thrice`, i do like the features of gtkpod though, and it does work a lot better than yamipod on ubuntu
[05:14] <DaBass> oskude doesn't matter if u can help me with pcmcia
[05:14] <lightbright> dell500: insecure people with a low self-esteem can never apologise, yet people with a postive one can :)
[05:14] <thespore> Can someone tell me how I can get 'liblinc1' installed.. says it's not available, but referred to by another package.
[05:14] <dell500> lightbright, why thanks, never thought it that way
[05:15] <dell500> brb, h2o time
[05:15] <Ep|phany> are there any other usenet servers besides pan ?
[05:15] <Corrupter> anybody have any idea what the problem might be?
[05:15] <lightbright> dell500: :)
[05:15] <DaBass> i need just general help with pcmcia
[05:15] <oskude> DaBass, well PCMCIA is a standard that is well supperted by "linux" its the device in it that makes troubles...
[05:15] <Manuka> hi! someone familiarwith dual screens??
[05:15] <lightbright> Moco: cool eh? :)
[05:15] <Moco> Yay
[05:15] <nickrud> Ep|phany, there's slrn, and gnus :)
[05:15] <Moco> It works!
[05:16] <lightbright> Moco: yep :)
[05:16] <smo> Corrupter .. I know it's one of those questions that sounds almost insulting, but have you checked the volume levels? (multiple .. not just the master volume)
[05:16] <Moco> Is there a way to change the Logon screen?
[05:16] <Ep|phany> do any of those read .nzbs?
[05:16] <faddat> Question.... I'm running dapper, haven't seen any updated packages by doing apt-get update in the last couple of days-- am I dealing with a configuration problem, or are the repositories not updated?
[05:16] <DaBass> oskude everything was working untill restart
[05:16] <lightbright> Moco: yep
[05:16] <Corrupter> yes, including my monitor, lol, i've tried every port on the sound card itself (i'm a tech, so i'm not insulted, i see it happen all the time)
[05:16] <lightbright> Moco: System/Administrator
[05:16] <Ep|phany> nickrud: do any of those work with .nzbs?
[05:17] <Corrupter> speaker* (don't know why i said monitor???)
[05:17] <oskude> Moco, http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=150
[05:17] <lightbright> Moco: then Login Screen Setup
[05:17] <Avikar> is ver 5.04 known to have conflicts with a AMD 64 bit system?
[05:17] <Moco> Oh thanks..
[05:17] <DaBass> while booting i see PCMCIA not pressent
[05:17] <lightbright> Moco: you are welcome
[05:17] <oskude> DaBass, what did you do between the last restart ?
[05:17] <g00r0n> i installed ubuntu a few days prior.  i am currently running a dual-boot system b/w XP & ubuntu.  how can i access my NTFS partition in ubuntu?
[05:17] <DaBass> i did the apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:17] <nickrud> Ep|phany, is that a news service, or what?
[05:18] <Ep|phany> its a file that contains what your gonna dl
[05:18] <Ep|phany> hmm klibido keeps freezing for me
[05:18] <oskude> g00r0n, scnr, ask MS, NTFS is an MS filesystem...
[05:19] <thrice`> oskude, that doesn't mean linux can't see it
[05:19] <oskude> DaBass, "apt-get dist-upgrade" is "evil"
[05:19] <thrice`> !ntfs
[05:19] <ubotu> from memory, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:19] <oskude> thrice`, yeah, but why should "linux" support it ?
[05:19] <Manuka> hi! someone familiar with dual screens??
[05:19] <thrice`> oskude huh?
[05:20] <nickrud> Ep|phany, I'm not sure if pan does, I found some info about .nzbs on the net.
[05:20] <oskude> thrice`, why should linux use a closed source FS like NTFS ?
[05:20] <thrice`> oskude, doesn't matter if it should...it does
[05:20] <g00r0n> thrice:  thank you
[05:20] <thrice`> he asked how, not why :(
[05:20] <oskude> thrice`, yeah, in a way, but I wouldnt recommend it...
[05:20] <smo> g00r0n, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:20] <DaBass> oskude if you can tell me how to netinstall edubuntu without cdrom support i will forget all about it
[05:20] <Agrajag> oskude: you can read NTFS just fine.
[05:21] <thrice`> oskude huh?  reading NTFS is perfectly safe on linux
[05:21] <nickrud> http://docs.newzbin.com/Newzbin:NZB_Guide lists some clients for linux , Ep|phany
[05:21] <Swedish_Chef> how do i disable the grouping of similar tasks in the taskbar?
[05:21] <Swedish_Chef> i always hated that "feature" of xp and i similarly hate it in gnome
[05:21] <smo> and a 'soapbox' moment .. saying 'linux doesn't make it, linux doesn't have to support it' really kinda irks me.  microsoft made my keyboard, but if I plug it in, I expect it to work
[05:21] <nickrud> bbl
[05:21] <oskude> what ever, NTFS is NOT fully supported, but you can use it with your own risk, as you can use ext2/ext2 on windows...
[05:21] <dell500> lol smo
[05:22] <Swedish_Chef> ntfs is only safe for reading, and it has very limited writing
[05:22] <thrice`> oskude, yes, NTFS READ is fully supported.  Writing to an NTFS partition is not
[05:22] <Agrajag> oskude: reading is NOT "at your own risk", it's perfectly safe. Only when you try to write to it do you risk destroying it.
[05:22] <Swedish_Chef> using the captive project, you basically use windows's ntfs driver to do full read/write
[05:22] <lightbright> oskude: so ms windows can read a ext2 linux partition?
[05:22] <Agrajag> wow
[05:22] <Ep|phany> can i run a .gz in ubuntu?
[05:22] <oskude> thrice`, yeah, fully read, is not fully supported..
[05:22] <Agrajag> lightbright: yeah, it can, actually
[05:22] <DaBass> anybody here knows how to install edubuntu without cdrom?
[05:22] <thrice`> oskude, did you see his question?
[05:22] <Swedish_Chef> lightbright: indeed it can. you need a driver for it, or a program such as explore2fs
[05:22] <Agrajag> with 3rd-party software though
[05:22] <oskude> lightbright, yes: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[05:22] <Manuka> hi! someone familiar with dual screens??
[05:22] <thrice`> Ep|phany, a .gz is an archive format
[05:22] <lightbright> Agrajag: i didnt know that
[05:22] <GR> I was told to read up on this URL, to see if I could legally load w32codecs (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats). Could someone help me with that, because I didn't see anything about who or anything that could use it? Thank you
[05:23] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: ah ok thanks
[05:23] <Ep|phany> thrice': can file roller extract it?
[05:23] <Swedish_Chef> i use explore2fs
[05:23] <Agrajag> lightbright: you can also read from reiserfs with rfstool
[05:23] <Swedish_Chef> i don't trust windows device drivers
[05:23] <oskude> thrice`, yes, and i stil dont support any closed fs systems :)
[05:23] <Swedish_Chef> especially ones from a source i don't really know
[05:23] <thrice`> Ep|phany, try and you tell me :)
[05:23] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: i can speak fluent swedish btw :)
[05:23] <Ep|phany> k
[05:23] <Agrajag> GR: You're in the US?
[05:23] <dell500> thrice`, i just did a find lost songs and stuff, not sure what option it is under file, but it's finding all the dupes and lost files and deleting them.  you know it might lag a bit and just hang?
[05:23] <Swedish_Chef> lightbright: cool, but i'm not swedish :P
[05:23] <GR> correct
[05:23] <van> fodjz'
[05:23] <lightbright> Agrajag: ah ok
[05:23] <Agrajag> GR: Do you own a windows license?
[05:23] <thrice`> oskude, but, it DOES work for reading (what he asked); your answer wasn't appropriate
[05:23] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: hehe ;)
[05:23] <GR> yes
[05:23] <Swedish_Chef> a swedish friend of mine suggested this nick because she knows the swedish chef is my favorite muppet of all time
[05:24] <van> hi to all of you
[05:24] <Agrajag> GR: then maybe, but still probably not.
[05:24] <Agrajag> GR: It doesn't matter, eveyone uses them.
[05:24] <oskude> thrice`, what ever...
[05:24] <DShepherd> hey
[05:24] <Swedish_Chef> bork bork bork :D
[05:24] <psusi> BORK BORK BORK!
[05:24] <thrice`> hi van
[05:24] <GR> ok, thank you then :)
[05:24] <van> hello
[05:24] <Ep|phany> is a .h file executable in ubuntu?
[05:24] <dell500> bbl, coffee time!
[05:24] <thrice`> oskude, how long have you been on linux?
[05:24] <Swedish_Chef> nobody knows how to disable the grouping of tasks in gnome's taskbar, and a google and ubuntu wiki search doesn't help :(
[05:24] <sethk> Ep|phany, no
[05:24] <Agrajag> GR: oh, watching DVDs with libdvdcss2 is illegal here also
[05:24] <oskude> thrice`, atleast 5years as main OS
[05:24] <psusi> Ep|phany, no... it's a C header file
[05:24] <Agrajag> But again, everyone does it.
[05:24] <Ep|phany> dam
[05:25] <thrice`> oskude, you have never dealt with ntfs in those 5 years?  what about vfat?  THAT is 100% supported, and is a closed FS
[05:25] <sethk> Ep|phany, why?
[05:25] <GR> Gov has there hand in everything, crooked bastards
[05:25] <Agrajag> thrice`: no it's not
[05:25] <Manuka> hi! someone familiar with dual screens?? (last try)
[05:25] <van> hello trice
[05:25] <lightbright> Agrajag: where you from?
[05:25] <smo> GR, I think it boils down to common sense.  you're not going to have much worries on your desktop at home.  if you're rolling it out at work, you might want to pay attention to the details
[05:25] <thrice`> read / write works perfect with fat32 partitions
[05:25] <sethk> Ep|phany, although, to be correct, no file by name is executable
[05:25] <psusi> thrice`, "closed FS"?
[05:25] <lightbright> Agrajag: in Australia its not illegal to watch DVD
[05:25] <Agrajag> FAT is very simple and quite open. I've done a fat12 driver from scrath for a class years ago, with freely available info
[05:25] <GR> yes true
[05:25] <sethk> Ep|phany, any file can be executable
[05:25] <Agrajag> lightbright: I'm in the US
[05:26] <sethk> Ep|phany, by convention, however, .h is not executable
[05:26] <lightbright> Agrajag: whats illegal in US?  to watch your own DVD?
[05:26] <thrice`> psusi, he was referring to closed as a windows produced
[05:26] <van> hththtrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:26] <Swedish_Chef> vfat is covered by patents, isn't it?
[05:26] <Agrajag> it's illegal under the DMCA, because it cracks the CSS encryption
[05:26] <GR> I think thats my answer, thanks again
[05:26] <Swedish_Chef> but the specs for it are open, i think
[05:26] <Moco> Yes, under the DMCA it's sooo stupid
[05:26] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, nope
[05:26] <lightbright> Agrajag: how can watching your own DVD be illegal?
[05:26] <thrice`> hi van :)
[05:26] <oskude> as i said i tend to avoid fat32/fat16/ntfs... ftp doesnt have to deal with FS, if your wondering howto share files...
[05:26] <thespore> gah this is frustrating... does anyone know how i can get 'liblinc1' installed?
[05:26] <Agrajag> lightbright: because the law says you can't crack encryption.
[05:27] <psusi> lightbright, because our government is stupid and enacted the DMCA
[05:27] <oskude> and this aint MS forum, so why give support for even on dualboot /share files ?
[05:27] <Moco> Because it violates the copy protection part of the "Digital Millenium Copyright act"
[05:27] <Swedish_Chef> how many people actually give a rat's ass about the law?
[05:27] <Swedish_Chef> especially things like the dmca
[05:27] <Moco> Not me ;)
[05:27] <Swedish_Chef> the answer is not many hehe
[05:27] <thrice`> yes...
[05:27] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, not I
[05:27] <thrice`> not being able to view your own DVD's is f'n rediculous
[05:27] <thrice`> how far does this have to go
[05:27] <ispiked> thespore: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/libs/liblinc1 maybe?
[05:27] <sethk> Agrajag, no, the law says that you can't export your method of cracking encyption
[05:28] <Swedish_Chef> the state of the us legal system, corruption of the government, retarded population, etc. is ridiculous
[05:28] <Moco> I don't pirate anything, don't get movies without paying for them, so I feel I have every right to watch it
[05:28] <sethk> Agrajag, cracking it, per se, is not illegal
[05:28] <Agrajag> ok, which means you can write you own library for cracking it, but you can't use libdvdcss2
[05:28] <Swedish_Chef> but i can assure all of you that when i rule the world, it will be a paradise
[05:28] <nickrud> the distance it takes till world domination :)
[05:28] <Swedish_Chef> none of this bullshit :D
[05:28] <thespore> ispiked, it conflicts with liborbit2
[05:28] <GR> etarded pop, hehehe good 1
[05:28] <lightbright> Agrajag: are dvd players illegal in US?
[05:28] <psusi> sethk, IIRC, it says you can not use or traffic an circumvention device
[05:28] <psusi> it has nothign to do with encryption per se, only breaking a copy protection device
[05:28] <sethk> psusi, right
[05:28] <bimberi> Swedish_Chef: ok, Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor.  apps -> panel -> applets -> window_list_screen0 -> prefs.  change "group windows" to "never"
[05:28] <lightbright> Agrajag: doesnt a normal DVD player need to decrypt each DVD and "crack encryption" before it plays it?
[05:28] <ispiked> thespore: it wants a lesser version of it
[05:28] <ecobuntu> lightbright: yes and so is communism!
[05:29] <Agrajag> lightbright: no, because they do not crack the encryption. They decrypt it with a key and pay some group for the right t use that key.
[05:29] <thespore> ispiked, what do you mean?
[05:29] <Moco> DeCSS is currently illegal. Dmitry Skyalorov, a Russian citizen, was arrested for breaking weak e-book encryption.
[05:29] <oskude> lightbright, yeah, my very old dvd player has hard time to play new dvds...
[05:29] <lightbright> Agrajag: where is that key stored?
[05:29] <ispiked> thespore: what do you mean it conflicts with it?
[05:29] <lightbright> oskude: ok
[05:29] <Swedish_Chef> bimberi: holy crap, thank you!
[05:29] <Agrajag> lightbright: I'd imagine in a ROM on the DVD player.
[05:29] <thespore> ispiked, idpkg: regarding liblinc1_0.1.21-1_i386.deb containing liblinc1:
[05:29] <thespore>  liborbit2 conflicts with liblinc1 (<< 1.0.3-4)
[05:29] <bimberi> Swedish_Chef: np :)
[05:29] <Swedish_Chef> bimberi: i checked the configuration error, but like the idiot i am, i was looking for gnome-panel, not panel :D
[05:29] <Ep|phany> anyone know why KLibido keeps freezing for me it was working a little while ago and ive also tried uninstalling reinstalling
[05:30] <psusi> lightbright, part of it is in the device's firmware... part is on the dvd
[05:30] <spiderworm> hey all i my ubuntu machine was accidentally rebooted by somebody and now i get an error, "duplicate or bad block in use" .... and then later "fsck failed.  please repair manually and reboot.  please note that the root file system is currently mounted read-only...." etc ... how do i fix this?
[05:30] <lightbright> Agrajag: so when you buy a dvd player you also pay for that "key" ?
[05:30] <Agrajag> That key is generally also encrypted, failure to do so is how DeCSS was created to begin with.
[05:30] <spiderworm> what do i do with fsck?
[05:30] <Agrajag> lightbright: nope.
[05:30] <lightbright> psusi: ah ok
[05:30] <oskude> did VHS have copy protection ?
[05:30] <lightbright> oskude: not that I know about
[05:30] <smo> oskude: nothing apart from the little plastic snap-off tabs
[05:30] <psusi> oskude, yes... it is called macrovision
[05:30] <Agrajag> That key is licensed by the company that made the player, and is generally itself encrypted to avoid another decss scenario.
[05:30] <lightbright> smo: lol
[05:31] <Agrajag> Macrovision is also used on some DVDs to avoid recording via an analog output
[05:31] <Swedish_Chef> macrovision was annoying
[05:31] <sethk> oskude, there was a vhs copy protection scheme, but it was almost useless and I think it faded
[05:31] <oskude> hmm, i wonder why they have more fear against DVD than VHS, they ARE the same, just another medium...
[05:31] <ispiked> thespore: hrm...
[05:31] <psusi> the snap off tabs were write protect tabs... commercial vhs tapes are encoded using macrovision, which is an embeded signal that tells legal VCRs not to record the signal
[05:31] <Ep|phany> can anyone help me figure out why klibido keeps freezing for me?
[05:31] <lightbright> Agrajag: ok so under linux thats why you cant use the libscc thingy?
[05:31] <ecobuntu> hummus is like so good
[05:31] <thespore> ispiked, nevermind i don't need it
[05:31] <smo> Ep|phany, have you tried running it from a terminal/konsole to see if it spits out any errors?
[05:31] <Agrajag> lightbright: yes, because it cracks encryption, it breaks the DMCA.
[05:32] <lightbright> psusi: ok
[05:32] <Ep|phany> no let me try now
[05:32] <lightbright> Agrajag: i think Australia can use that. how can I find out?
[05:32] <oskude> but i care like shit, ALL of the new films will someday be shown "for free" on TV anyway :)
[05:32] <Ep|phany> it says running
[05:32] <Ep|phany> and opens up but it freezes again
[05:32] <Ep|phany> its just a grey box
[05:32] <ispiked> is there anyone that didn't get their question answered earlier that still needs help?
[05:32] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: you have to pay for cable/satellite, though
[05:32] <Agrajag> lightbright: hell, I dunno, check your laws, see if they enacted any digital rights laws similar to ours
[05:32] <Ep|phany> is there away to clear the cache for it?
[05:32] <lightbright> Agrajag: how can I find out for certain if libdvdcss is legal in Australia?
[05:32] <psusi> Agrajag, no... it is illegal because it circumvents a copy protection device... the fact that it decrypts data to do that doesn't matter
[05:33] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, yeah, its called "GEX(tapo)" here :)
[05:33] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, yeah, its called "GEZ(tapo)" here :)
[05:33] <Agrajag> psusi: oh ok, same deal
[05:33] <lightbright> Agrajag: i wonder if theres a website for all countires, thats all
[05:33] <Swedish_Chef> hehe
[05:33] <psusi> lightbright, ask a lawyer
[05:33] <Agrajag> lightbright: if there is one, it's just as unjust as the DMCA, and should be ignored.
[05:33] <smo> Ep|phany, not sure, I've never used it.  my generic fault finding steps for any app are watching the console for errors, then trying again with strace and seeing if it stops on anything noticable
[05:33] <Agrajag> but that's just my opinion.
[05:33] <lightbright> psusi: :P
[05:33] <oskude> but then again, demoscene.tv beats my tv shows like with a billion :)
[05:33] <lightbright> Agrajag: so you ignore it?
[05:34] <Agrajag> Of course, what do you think I'd do, just not watch any DVD ever?
[05:34] <Agrajag> I don't own a DVD player or a television.
[05:34] <APACHE^_^> como instalo el paquete de gstab
[05:34] <APACHE^_^> fstab
[05:34] <psusi> I wipe my ass with the DMCA... and I firmly believe that if it ever goes to court, it will be thrown out... it contradicts prior law and a load of bench doctorine
[05:34] <Agrajag> !es
[05:34] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:34] <lightbright> Agrajag: no TV? amazing, how come?
[05:34] <Agrajag> lightbright: I don't watch it.
[05:34] <Ep|phany> ah fixed it
[05:34] <Ep|phany> thanks anyways
[05:34] <APACHE^_^> who install the pakage fstab ?
[05:35] <oskude> Agrajag, DVD Video is an open standard, and when movie makers dont hold on it, go blame them !
[05:35] <lightbright> psusi:  test that theory!  ring them and tell them you are using libdvdcss :)
[05:35] <Agrajag> I watch all of 3 shows, one of which is about to be canceled
[05:35] <Agrajag> so I download them
[05:35] <lightbright> Agrajag: good for you!  TV is made by Satan :P
[05:35] <APACHE^_^> please help me
[05:35] <Swedish_Chef> i have a mythtv box with 2.4TB of storage
[05:35] <psusi> oskude, yes... but a patent encumbered standard
[05:35] <Swedish_Chef> and dual tuners
[05:35] <APACHE^_^> I'm from Mexico
[05:35] <Swedish_Chef> i record all the tv i want, and download what i don't get :)
[05:35] <lightbright> APACHE^_^: no need to beg ;)
[05:36] <APACHE^_^> who install the pakage fstab ?
[05:36] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: har har
[05:36] <smo> APACHE^_^: I believe it's created by the installer, not installed by a package.  if any, I'd expect it to be in base-files, and it doesn't seem to be
[05:36] <Swedish_Chef> unfortunately, in the last month or two since i got it, i've used up 1.5TB :(
[05:36] <psusi> APACHE^_^, it isn't a package... it's a system configuration file
[05:36] <oskude> psusi, sry, dont know so correct, but if i make on dvd video under linux. i can watch it anywhere...
[05:36] <lightbright> !fstab
[05:36] <ecobuntu> !lightbright
[05:36] <ubotu> ecobuntu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:36] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, jesus christ... that's a lot of space
[05:36] <ecobuntu> i'm not sure
[05:36] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i'll run out soon
[05:36] <Swedish_Chef> by january i'll probably only have a few gigs free
[05:37] <ecobuntu> lightbright: are you larger than a breadbox?
[05:37] <ecobuntu> !R
[05:37] <ubotu> r is, like, a powerful statistical program.  sudo apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html
[05:37] <Swedish_Chef> my workstation has dual 160GB drives, one for linux and one for windows, and i have a total of around 10GB free here
[05:37] <Annath> Can anyone help me with an Apache/PHP problem? I installed apache and it's working fine. Then, I tried to install PHP5 but it won't work. I've been over every config file twice, and nothing works. Does anyone know what my problem is?
[05:37] <oskude> and patent... OMG i could kill someone when i hear it :)
[05:37] <lightbright> ecobuntu: im skinny
[05:37] <APACHE^_^> psusi,
[05:37] <psusi> oskude, yea... the MPEG-2 format is free as in beer iirc... the physical media though is not... the manufacturers of the drives have to pay the dvd consortium to be able to make the drives
[05:37] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: what do you use to create standard dvds that can play in any dvd player?
[05:37] <ispiked> Annath: you can run a syntax check on the config. file.
[05:37] <ecobuntu> Sorry ubotu he's smaller than a breadbox
[05:37] <APACHE^_^> delete fstab, help me
[05:37] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, why one for each?  why not raid them and partition?
[05:38] <ispiked> Annath: it should say why it's failing when you start apache.
[05:38] <APACHE^_^> I delete fstab
[05:38] <lightbright> !hug ecobuntu
[05:38] <ubotu> lightbright: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:38] <smo> APACHE^_^, do you have /etc/mtab ?
[05:38] <Annath> ispiked, how do I do that? Sorry, but I'm a bit new to linux. =P
[05:38] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, kino
[05:38] <ecobuntu> why did you delete fstab?
[05:38] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: eh? two different operating systems, two different filesystems
[05:38] <Annath> Oh, and apache starts fine. PHP is the problem
[05:38] <ispiked> Annath: well, I've used apache on Windows only. the folks in #apache will be of more help.
[05:38] <Swedish_Chef> why and how would i raid them?
[05:38] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, yea... so put them on different partitions
[05:38] <lightbright> ecobuntu: I deleted my fstab too :)
[05:39] <smo> APACHE^_^, if you hav /etc/mtab, copy it to fstab.  it won't solve removable media, but it'll make sure your system is still bootable
[05:39] <ispiked> Annath: I can't remember if apache runs as a service or just as a process.
[05:39] <ecobuntu> why is everyone deleting their fstab!!!
[05:39] <Annath> ah, okay
[05:39] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, well in my case my motherboard supports hardware (fake)raid...
[05:39] <thrice`> lightbright, ugh, bad idea!
[05:39] <APACHE^_^> I Erase accidental the fstab
[05:39] <Swedish_Chef> ah, mine doesn't. also, i don't trust hardware raid
[05:39] <thrice`> write it again
[05:39] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, otherwise, you can use LVM in linux, and windows calls it "dynamic disks"
[05:39] <sethk> Annath, that's usually configuration
[05:39] <lightbright> thrice`: i was jk ;)
[05:39] <thrice`> =] 
[05:39] <thespore> does anyone know how to convert xvid to kvcd, under ubuntu?
[05:39] <sethk> Annath, you have to change some things in the apache configs to enable php
[05:39] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: too much room for error...
[05:39] <lightbright> how do you 'accidently" erase fstab? :P
[05:39] <scorpix> is there wma to mp3 converter for linux?
[05:40] <oskude> only just someone came up with an idea, ONLY HE/IT has the rights to use it, and nobody else (how ever he/it came to the idea) is not anymore allowed to do tht, LOL
[05:40] <psusi> probably a pain to set up... but once going... it's nice having a disk that is twice as fast ;)
[05:40] <ecobuntu> Can fstab be regenerated?
[05:40] <smo> lightbright .. I actually did it plenty of times when I was still coming to grips with vim.  luckily we have backups :)
[05:40] <intelikey> ecobuntu: you can write a new one.
[05:40] <APACHE^_^> I will recover the file fstab originally, erase(smear) it accidental
[05:40] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i have a 2.4TB fileserver with a blistering fast raid5 setup :D
[05:40] <psusi> fstab isn't that complex... you should be able to make a new one by hand if you know how your drives are configured
[05:40] <ecobuntu> smo: sounds like you should use gedit :)
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> bimberi: i love you
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> just thought you should know
[05:41] <lightbright> smo:  ;)
[05:41] <smo> ecobuntu, I get to most our machines across a 128kbit link .. I'll stick with ssh/vim/etc
[05:41] <Swedish_Chef> no more grouping! :D
[05:41] <bimberi> Swedish_Chef: aw, shucks :P
[05:41] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, I have a friend who has been asking me for an affordable way to build a setup like that... got some hardware specs I can take a look at?
[05:41] <APACHE^_^> Since I recover the original fstab
[05:41] <intelikey> smo: vim generates a backup by default,  some editors do not.
[05:41] <ecobuntu> what does druels means?
[05:41] <ecobuntu> is that similar to drools?
[05:42] <oskude> :)
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i bought a dell poweredge on their small business website. they have AWESOME deals
[05:42] <Aurora> If i have a set of images, lets say, scanned a4 pages, how would i combine them in to a pdf in ubuntu/gnome?
[05:42] <psusi> probably... I used to be a very bad speller as a child... I still make some mistakes ;)
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> and you don't have to prove that you're a small business
[05:42] <APACHE^_^> Since I recover the original fstab
[05:42] <bimberi> Swedish_Chef: just a bottom panel with lots of microsocopic window list items? :P
[05:42] <APACHE^_^> ?
[05:42] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ahhh... that's still running a few grand at least though right?
[05:42] <ecobuntu> APACHE: you recovered the original?
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> the poweredge i have was like $600, with a dual-xeon capable mobo (came with 1 2.8ghz xeon)
[05:42] <APACHE^_^> yes ecobuntu
[05:42] <ecobuntu> good!
[05:42] <Swedish_Chef> builtin 512MB of ram, but i added 1.5GB more
[05:43] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, yea... but that's not with the raid right?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> i bought one of those internal hdd racks
[05:43] <ecobuntu> APACHE: is your problem fixed?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> right, i had to buy the hdds and everything else myself
[05:43] <psusi> I'm specifically interested in the raid
[05:43] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, 2GB RAM ? OMG :)
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> and dual 2.8ghz xeons
[05:43] <psusi> what kind of disks and raid configuration?
[05:43] <Swedish_Chef> the second xeon was free for me, so it's cheaper for me than you
[05:43] <psusi> what the hell does a file server need that kind of cpu for? ;)
[05:43] <intelikey> ecobuntu: origenal may mean pre-install fstab.    /etc/fstab.origenal     not of much use.
[05:44] <ecobuntu> oh
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: mythtv, encoding video
[05:44] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, Since I solve this problem?
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> penis bragging rights
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> i think it has a bunch of 400GB drives
[05:44] <ogami1972> you people and yer virtual peni
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> ogami1972: leave me alone
[05:44] <Swedish_Chef> it's all i have :(
[05:44] <oskude> lol
[05:44] <ecobuntu> APACHE: i don't know if you solved your problem.
[05:44] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ahhh... yes... that's one big epeen
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> i think total cost was around $2k
[05:45] <smo> and here I am living in 60Mb ram on a 2Gb disk
[05:45] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, scsi and hardware raid controller?
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> software raid
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> sata
[05:45] <Ron_o> smo, I'm not too far behind ya.
[05:45] <Swedish_Chef> problem with hardware raid is that it's generally slower, and i'd have to get the exact same controller
[05:45] <oskude> smo, but its enough, isnt it ?
[05:45] <Ron_o> I cannabalized a few machines to get what I have now.
[05:45] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, ohh... hrm.... that's about like what my friend is looking for.. a cheap sata raid setup
[05:46] <APACHE^_^> Erase(Smear) the file fstab, since I recover it?
[05:46] <Ron_o> and I might have to give back to a few. :/
[05:46] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, don't you mean software raid is generally slower? ( slightly )
[05:46] <Corrupter> where can i get mp3 codec from?
[05:46] <Swedish_Chef> not really
[05:46] <Swedish_Chef> it's been faster in all cases i've used it
[05:46] <oskude> !mp3
[05:46] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <smo> oskude, all I use this host for is so I always have a sane toolchain to shell into no matter who's desktop I end up in front of.  so between that and serving imap, it's plenty
[05:46] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, that's strange
[05:46] <oskude> smo, :)
[05:47] <ecobuntu> APACHE: hablo poco espanol
[05:47] <ecobuntu> APACHE: i just went into that room to see if you were there
[05:47] <Swedish_Chef> my nonscientific guess is that linux is smarter when it comes to dealing with data than the card
[05:47] <ogami1972> corrupter- install and run the automatix script
[05:48] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, I will recovery fstab
[05:48] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, is your card hardware opne ?
[05:48] <oskude> *open
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> eh?
[05:48] <Corrupter> and where is automatix?
[05:48] <ecobuntu> OK
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> i don't remember, to be honest
[05:48] <APACHE^_^> I speak little Spanish
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> my love for tinkering with computers has decreased drastically over the years
[05:48] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i mean before you blame the linux drivers, did the card makers give enough info for the developers...
[05:48] <ecobuntu> APACHE: yes
[05:48] <Swedish_Chef> so much so that i'm waiting to buy the new apple powerbooks next year :(
[05:49] <APACHE^_^> excuse me, I speak little English
[05:49] <Swedish_Chef> i didn't blame linux drivers
[05:49] <ogami1972> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563&highlight=automatix
[05:49] <smo> Swedish_Chef, ditto
[05:49] <Swedish_Chef> i have had the same experience in windows and linux
[05:49] <ecobuntu> APACHE: no i speak little spanish
[05:49] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, well then, a "bad" card :)
[05:49] <ecobuntu> APACHE: you speak spanish real well and you speak english better than i do spanish
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, my problem is, I want to recover the file fstab
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> i've been using linux since 1998, and i've tried many distros. redhat -> debian -> gentoo have been the main ones, and i've used the different bsds on my desktop for months at a time
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> original
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> just a few weeks ago i installed ubuntu, and i'm in love
[05:50] <Swedish_Chef> but i want mac os x even more
[05:50] <ecobuntu> APACHE: ok...I think you'll need to rewrite it
[05:50] <APACHE^_^> ecobuntu, help me
[05:50] <oskude> btw. does ubuntu work well when installing on raid (i remember the hassle under debian3,0)
[05:50] <intelikey> APACHE^_^: do  'ls /etc/fs* '         any files ?     no?
[05:51] <smo> mtab should give him a good skeleton to work from.  it's the currently mounted partitions in fstab's format
[05:51] <APACHE^_^> root@ubuntu:/home/jeronimo# ls /etc/fs*
[05:51] <APACHE^_^> /etc/fstab  /etc/fstab~
[05:51] <MachineScrew> nomasteryoda: you here??
[05:51] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, I played with slackware back in 1996... ran debian for about 6-9 months in 2000, and installed ubuntu about 2 months ago...
[05:52] <psusi> other than that I kept going back to windows... but I'm in love with ubuntu now too ;)
[05:52] <ecobuntu> APACHE: here is what my fstab looks like http://pastebin.ca/29884
[05:52] <ecobuntu> APACHE: what's your fstab say?
[05:52] <intelikey> APACHE^_^:    do   'sudo cp /etc/fstab~ /etc/fstab '
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> i used redhat for a year
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> debian for several years
[05:52] <Swedish_Chef> gentoo for two years
[05:52] <oskude> psusi, because of the "automatic hardware recognition" ? :)
[05:52] <psusi> oskude, depends on the kind of raid... hardware fakeraid isn't well supported atm... took me a week or two of hacking around to get mine working
[05:53] <Swedish_Chef> linux has been my main desktop os for a year or two. before, it was 50/50 or 60/40 (in favor of linux)
[05:53] <Swedish_Chef> now it's 99/1
[05:53] <psusi> oskude, well, I am very impressed how almost everything just works out of the box, yes... but mostly.. I love that when shit breaks, I can fix it
[05:53] <Corrupter> anybody know where to get automatix from?
[05:53] <psusi> it might mean spending a day or two digging through the source code... but it's there for me when I need to
[05:53] <APACHE^_^> thank ecobuntu , very thank
[05:54] <Corrupter> anybody? automatix?
[05:54] <lightbright> Corrupter: whats automatix?
[05:54] <Corrupter> i have no idea
[05:54] <Corrupter> everybody just keeps telling me to download it
[05:54] <oskude> psusi, what i was after, i installed debian(3.0) on raid only once, and i had to do that in the install process.. it was a "hack" back then, and i just wondered if it better now (as seein "raid" as a option when partiioning during install)
[05:54] <lightbright> Corrupter: so why you want it? :P
[05:54] <Swedish_Chef> i have to say, ubuntu is boring
[05:54] <Swedish_Chef> compared to gentoo
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> i could always busy myself fixing shit on gentoo
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> or trying to figure out why something wouldn't compile
[05:55] <Aurora> hehe
[05:55] <lightbright> Corrupter: so if everyone told you to download a rootkithunter, would you do it? :)
[05:55] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, LOL :)
[05:55] <bimberi> Corrupter: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 (ogami1972 posted it earlier)
[05:55] <Corrupter> ummm... ya
[05:55] <Corrupter> why wouldn't i?
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> now i sit apt-get updating and upgrading every day
[05:55] <Aurora> Swedish_Chef, By that logic windows is awesome
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> and still see 0 packages needing updates :(
[05:55] <intelikey> Swedish_Chef: so drop to console mode and get busy on ub :)
[05:55] <lightbright> Corrupter: I use one too, its great
[05:55] <Swedish_Chef> Aurora: not really. when windows breaks, it doesn't work
[05:56] <lightbright> Corrupter: http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html
[05:56] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: sounds like you need to run debian sid :)
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> formatting and reinstalling is more painful then recompiling :/
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: i ran that for 3 years. fun fun, and more up to date than gentoo for a lot of things
[05:56] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, "upgrading" every day ? havent done it NEVER on my main hoary laptrop...
[05:56] <psusi> oskude, again, depends on what kind of raid you are talking about... hardware raid?  mdraid?  lvm raid?  hardware fakeraid?
[05:56] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: :P
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: I NEED THE SHINY STUFF!!!
[05:56] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: why switch from debian sid to ubuntu?
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: sid to gentoo to ubuntu
[05:56] <oskude> psusi, it was mdraid as i had to make it..
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> because i don't have enough time anymore
[05:56] <Swedish_Chef> and i'm tired of tinkering for the most part
[05:56] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: Ubuntu is too stable maybe for you :)
[05:57] <intelikey> laptrop  ?  :)
[05:57] <Swedish_Chef> it really is.
[05:57] <ChokeD> So, I'm running a dual boot system and I installed grub over /dev/hda1 (my windows NTFS partition) and I feel like my NTFS partition is now corrupted.  Is there a way to get my files off of it (I'd copied most to an external drive, but not all)
[05:57] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i know what you mean :)
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: run dapper
[05:57] <psusi> oskude, I think that mdraid is well supported
[05:57] <Corrupter> where can i get the mp3 codec from?
[05:57] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: i thought about it, but i don't want to risk a broken system
[05:57] <oskude> psusi, nice to hear :)
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: i am running it as on a second partition
[05:57] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: pretty stable so far
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> ecobuntu: that's because dapper just started not too long ago :P
[05:58] <lightbright> ecobuntu: hehe yeah Debian SID would keep him happy ;)
[05:58] <intelikey> ChokeD: if you can mount it you can cp from it.
[05:58] <psusi> I'm running dapper... no problem so far
[05:58] <oskude> sid rulez :)
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> didn't i just say i ran sid for 3 years!?
[05:58] <ecobuntu> Swedish_Chef: flight #1 cd is out
[05:58] <APACHE^_^> bytes my friends, thanks intelikey, ecobuntu, thanks
[05:58] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[05:58] <ecobuntu> already over a month into development...there are only 6 months between releases
[05:58] <smo> Corrupter, if you have universe enabled, try gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:58] <APACHE^_^> bye
[05:58] <Swedish_Chef> debian's kde and xorg fiasco really annoyed me
[05:59] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: why dont you try Puppy Linux :)  that will keep you busy ;)
[05:59] <psusi> oskude, now to get my hardware fakeraid going, I had to boot the livecd, install a package from the universe, use debootstrap to install a base system, build my own initrd, then apt-get everything else
[05:59] <intelikey> adios APACHE^_^
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> i could do as a friend of mine does
[05:59] <ecobuntu> Puppy Linux?
[05:59] <psusi> and it took me about 2 weeks to figure all that out ;)
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> she runs LFS on all her machines
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> at home and work
[05:59] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[05:59] <Malaprop> What's the name of the package that embeds the media player into Firefox by default? I need to shoot it in the face, it crashes FF every time I visit a page with embedded media.
[05:59] <oskude> i changed from debian to ubuntu cause my audio chip was automaticly configured :)
[05:59] <Corrupter> anybody? mp3 codec?
[05:59] <Swedish_Chef> imagine LFS on over 50 computers, with one admin :D
[05:59] <ecobuntu> oh my there really is a puppy linux
[06:00] <lightbright> ecobuntu: yeah Puppy Linux is a very small linux distro
[06:00] <oskude> psusi, that sound like the good old linux :)
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> oh dear lord. i installed nvidia drivers via apt-get on ubuntu
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> pressed ctrl+Alt+backspace
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> AND IT WORKED!
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> my jaw dropped
[06:00] <Aurora> WOAH!
[06:00] <oskude> lol
[06:00] <smo> Swedish_Chef .. I tried that for a while.  very educational.  I like being able to install ubuntu on clients machines, and be able to leave before 5pm
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> i didn't have to mess with anything
[06:00] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  you didnt believe me? :)
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> i'm so used to editing everything by hand
[06:00] <Corrupter> *sigh*
[06:00] <ecobuntu> it sounds kinda stupid
[06:00] <psusi> oskude, yea... had a lot of fun for those two weeks... i said god damnit I want to get this sucker to work... I know I can...
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> that when ubuntu did it with no problems, i almost creamed myself
[06:00] <psusi> when I finally did, it felt great...
[06:00] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  some guy from Australia wrote it
[06:00] <ecobuntu> lightbright: i see
[06:00] <oskude> psusi, :)
[06:00] <bimberi> Corrupter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:00] <psusi> ohh, and I forgot, I also had to get the lilo sources and patch them to get the system to boot
[06:00] <Swedish_Chef> nvidia has always been rock-solid for me
[06:01] <Aurora> only thing that would really work better with real nividia drivers is the 3d screensavers, big whoop
[06:01] <ecobuntu> lightbright: it sounds like a canadian thing to write ;)
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> now the ati radeon 9800 that i so recently gave away...
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> never again will i purchase anything branded with ati
[06:01] <warter> would anyone have a piece of documentation that i can read on mounting a IDE NTFS drive into Ubuntu?
[06:01] <psusi> that was because I did not know how to use grub... allways used lilo before... finally edned up giving grub a try and it worked fine
[06:01] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  hehe ;)
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> their windows drivers were terrible, and their linux drivers infinitely more so
[06:01] <ecobuntu> i hope i didn't just offend all the canadians in here
[06:01] <smo> Aurora, they're practically a must-have if you have dual-head.  their TwinView is so easy to get up
[06:01] <Swedish_Chef> doh
[06:01] <lightbright> ecobuntu:  lol
[06:02] <oskude> yeah, i had only nvidia before and didnt realisze how it worked "better" until i got a radeon card :)
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> i was pulling up the website for warter
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> :/
[06:02] <psusi> but that's only for 3d, which I don't care so much about right now... 2d works fine
[06:02] <Aurora> i don't, only one screen
[06:02] <ecobuntu> avian flu in BC, Canada
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: the drivers would crash my machine within days
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> even if it was sitting idle
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> so i just used the builtin X drivers
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> that meant no 3d in linux
[06:02] <psusi> that's what I'm using now
[06:02] <fft> hello!
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> go with nvidia, man
[06:02] <psusi> I don't see why the hell it is so frigging hard to write decent video drivers
[06:02] <Swedish_Chef> i'm a born-again nvidia fan
[06:02] <oskude> btw, is 2d even accelerated on linux ? i have read somtehing on the forums...
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: if you have the right drivers...
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> a lot of the builtin drivers have it supported, it hink
[06:03] <psusi> all they have to do is take opengl commands from the X server ( or windows GDI ) and write to the hardware registers whatever is needed to tell it to execute that command
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> i can play quake4 at ~50fps
[06:03] <lightbright> Does anyone here get that synchronizing click ubuntu.org Failed! at boot time and wants to fix it?
[06:03] <Swedish_Chef> 1024x768 high quality
[06:03] <lightbright> click = clock
[06:04] <OptiPlex> Swedish_Chef: is that any good by chance? quake4?
[06:04] <oskude> well, i didt some VERY small tests and "radeon" was using less CPU than "fglrx" with my radeon9200...
[06:04] <ecobuntu> !quake4
[06:04] <ubotu> I don't know, ecobuntu
[06:04] <fft> i just installed ubuntu on an imac. after logging in a the startup sound happens and then your left with just the mouse cursor and blank brownish desktop
[06:04] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: look good?
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> i've only played single player and lan multiplayer so far
[06:04] <ChokeD> intelikey: I can't mount it, it tells me it's not an NTFS filesystem
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> it looks very good
[06:04] <ChokeD> intelikey: I feel like I wrote over some critical filetable or something
[06:04] <OptiPlex> ooh
[06:04] <intelikey> lightbright: id you fix yours ?
[06:04] <ecobuntu> man puppylinux is funny
[06:04] <fft> opti, any idea whats going on?
[06:04] <lightbright> n0dl: hi noodles
[06:04] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i've never had any hardware cause more instability than my radeon
[06:05] <ecobuntu> http://www.zen45800.zen.co.uk/puppy3/index.htm
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> ati is the sole reason why i don't boot into windows anymore
[06:05] <ecobuntu> i like likely location and known characteristics
[06:05] <psusi> Swedish_Chef, worked fine in windows ;)
[06:05] <n0dl> lightbright: hello... do i know you?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: it would crash my machine at least once or twice a day
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> even if it was sitting idle!
[06:05] <smo> ChokeD: What does sudo file -s /dev/device say?
[06:05] <psusi> in windows or linux?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: yes.
[06:05] <lightbright> intelikey: what?
[06:05] <psusi> I never had trouble in windows
[06:05] <dell500> does anyone know why gtkpod says that some songs don't work, yet they play fine either on xmms or some other music player?
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> well, linux would crash randomly once every few days
[06:05] <intelikey> ChokeD: you might be able to use the xp recovery cd and get it back but after you will need to boot the ub install cd and reinstall grub.
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> and i'm running an intel mobo
[06:05] <Swedish_Chef> with no generic parts
[06:06] <OptiPlex> no idea fft. although ubuntu makes my screen orientation a little weird
[06:06] <psusi> I'm an AMD man
[06:06] <oskude> "xcompmgr -a" sounds nice but was like crashing whenever i used "video" programs...
 Does anyone here get that synchronizing click ubuntu.org Failed!
[06:06] <lightbright> n0dl: yes, hi noodles . its me, spagetti :)
[06:06] <NoUse> dell500 are they in mp3 format?
[06:06] <intelikey> lightbright: id you fix yours ?
[06:06] <psusi> AMD has been making better chips for a few years now
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i want an athlon64
[06:06] <lightbright> intelikey: did I what?
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> psusi: i am an amd man at heart
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> but as i haven't put together my own machine in years...
[06:06] <n0dl> lightbright: spagetti? sorry im not sure if  i remember you... what did you help me with..?
[06:06] <psusi> I'm running amd64 on an athlon 64 3200+
[06:06] <Swedish_Chef> i want the new powerbooks god damnit!
[06:06] <psusi> hrm... now that I think about it... this thing is over a year old now
[06:06] <lightbright> intelikey: yes I fixed it!  want the command?
[06:07] <intelikey> sure
[06:07] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, intel books ?
[06:07] <lightbright> n0dl: we spoke a few days ago, we were joking around about noodles. remember?
[06:07] <dell500> NoUse, does gtkpod read m3u files as well? if it does, then it's looking for the wrong files then...
[06:07] <ChokeD> smo: /dev/hda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x49, OEM-ID "NTFS    ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 240, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80)
[06:07] <Aurora> i want a powerbook!
[06:07] <dell500> me too!
[06:07] <intelikey> lightbright: sure
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: the 'power' in 'powerbook' never referred to powerpc
[06:07] <OptiPlex> i want a G3 powerbook lol
[06:07] <NoUse> dell500 I think it does
[06:07] <oskude> get one, they are cheap now :)
[06:07] <Jimbob_> Naw, LinuxPPC is not really as slick as a PC
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> as they had that name with the motorola cpus :D
[06:07] <Jimbob_> or rather, x86
[06:07] <n0dl> lightbright: i think so... was it in this room or ubuntu forums?
[06:07] <NoUse> dell500 I just import files by directory, I don't use m3us that much
[06:07] <lightbright> intelikey: sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[06:07] <Swedish_Chef> alienware is running some very good deals on their laptops right now
[06:07] <mattsm> How do I re-configure Xorg from the command line in ubuntu?
[06:07] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, was that a joke ?
[06:08] <lightbright> intelikey: type that and you will never be bothered with that message again
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: was what a joke?
[06:08] <Aurora> i dont care what cpu is in the powerbook i just want one
[06:08] <intelikey> yeah that will do it :)
[06:08] <ChokeD> intelikey: the XP recovery CD didn't like the filesystem
[06:08] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, Swedish_Chef oskude: the 'power' in 'powerbook' never referred to powerpc
[06:08] <lightbright> n0dl: it was here, but its ok, you said you were tired :)
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> oskude: no, it isn't
[06:08] <dell500> NoUse, well i just added my mp3 dir, which is 38gb
[06:08] <lightbright> intelikey: yeah it fixd it for me
[06:08] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, ok, thnx for the info :)
[06:08] <intelikey> lightbright: i was just wondering what you did.   :)
[06:08] <n0dl> mattsm: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <Swedish_Chef> correct me if i'm wrong, but there were powerbooks with the motorola cpus in them
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> a decade ago
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: or if your a vi guy
[06:09] <DiscoScotty> NIC Question concerning 3Com 10/100 Mini PCI Ethernet Adapter - worked on an earlier version of ubuntu but not on the new installation I tried today.  Any suggestions??
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:09] <fft> whats the command to reconfigure x?
[06:09] <mattsm> n0dl, I was hoping for a "configure" program.
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> vim 4 lyfe!
[06:09] <lightbright> If anyone hates the: synchronizing clock ubuntu.org Failed!, then type:  sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[06:09] <n0dl> lightbright: oh yeah i remember
[06:09] <tsume> is there a howto with getting amarok, or most of the KDE based apps to work with the mp3 decoder?
[06:09] <mattsm> n0dl, the X -configure does not work.... =(
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> aha! update-rc.d!
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> that's what i was looking for.
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> thanks, lightbright
[06:09] <lightbright> n0dl: great :)
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> i forgot debian's equivalent to rc-update
[06:09] <Swedish_Chef> hehe
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: sorry but you dont ahve a choice then... you must use vi or nano
[06:09] <OptiPlex> ee /etc/rc.conf.. i miss that command
[06:09] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: cool ;)
[06:09] <n0dl> mattsm: especially since your in command line
[06:10] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: you are welcome ;)
[06:10] <ChokeD> intelikey, smo: Mounting with -o errors=recover worked.  I guess it's time to copy off now.  Thanks
[06:10] <OptiPlex> n0dl: or 'aee' if you get uni/multiverse
[06:10] <OptiPlex> :] 
[06:10] <n0dl> mattsm: i can help you out... what were you trying to do before before you messed up xorg?
[06:10] <mattsm> n0dl, is there a program to tweak the monitor settings from within X?
[06:10] <Swedish_Chef> so...
[06:10] <OptiPlex> mattsm: xvidtune
[06:10] <bimberi> mattsm: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:10] <n0dl> mattsm: well... what are you using in compliance with your x
[06:10] <mattsm> n0dl, I edited the xorg.conf with vi already... but my monitor is not on the screen correct
[06:10] <Swedish_Chef> anybody want to pony up some money for my new powerbook?
[06:11] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, sure :)
[06:11] <n0dl> mattsm: whats wrong with the screen?
[06:11] <DiscoScotty> Help please - NIC Question concerning 3Com 10/100 Mini PCI Ethernet Adapter - worked on an earlier version of ubuntu but not on the new installation I tried today.  Any suggestions??
[06:11] <mattsm> xvidtune... sounds intersting... its not centered correctly
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> my ipod is too small for my mp3 collection
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> that sucks
[06:11] <OptiPlex> mattsm: are you on ppc by chance? if so that happens to me too
[06:11] <oskude> yeah, ipod sucks ;)
[06:11] <OptiPlex> i have to run xvidtune when I logon
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> i installed streamtuner and recorded a few streams starting a few days ago
[06:11] <Swedish_Chef> now i have 10GB of high-quality music
[06:11] <mattsm> OptiPlex, I'm on a dell laptop....
[06:12] <Swedish_Chef> i have less than 4 gigs free on my 60gb ipod... sigh.
[06:12] <lightbright> whats taking up 56gig?
[06:12] <OptiPlex> hm, that's weird mattsm. i use ubuntu on a g3 imac and my screen is like 1/4 inch off all the time, even at the terminal
[06:12] <n0dl> mattsm: what xclient are you using exactly (your gui)?
[06:12] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, what do you use for managing your music?
[06:13] <dell500> lol
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: nautilus and/or konqueror
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> :P
[06:13] <dell500> really?
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> yeah
[06:13] <dell500> how does that work?
[06:13] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, and if youd have WLAN or or "mobily better" you wouldnt have to record the streams ;)
[06:13] <intelikey> DiscoScotty: modprobe the driver ?
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> i just go to the dir of the album i want
[06:13] <mattsm> n0dl, I'm running GNOME
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> or artist
[06:13] <Swedish_Chef> or i just scroll
[06:13] <mattsm> n0dl, I should have access to everything.... xvidtune seems a little tricky to use =)
[06:13] <dell500> wierd
[06:13] <OptiPlex> heh, that's the way my mp3 collection looks. /music/artist/
[06:13] <smo> Swedish_Chef, even on your ipod?
[06:14] <mattsm> OptiPlex, my screen is not offset in the terminal
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> hi all
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> smo: of course not
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> on my ipod i just look for the artist or album
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: ah i c
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> excuse me, but how do i get wpa-psk to work?
[06:14] <smo> Swedish_Chef=, I mean, getting files to and from the ipod
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: well i dont know i used to have the same problem
[06:14] <OptiPlex> heh, mine is but i think the ubuntu team is more interested in pc heh
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> with almost 11,500 songs, i don't search by song
[06:14] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, ya :)
[06:14] <EddieDaMan> for my wireless
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> smo: oh, gtkpod these days
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: your screen is off center no?
[06:14] <mattsm> n0dl, yes
[06:14] <dell500> oh ok
[06:14] <dell500>  lol
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: check your refresh rate
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> itunes requires windows, and i'm not a windows man
[06:14] <n0dl> mattsm: you may want to make it higher or lower
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> i like the concept of banshee
[06:14] <OptiPlex> heh, or osx :] 
[06:14] <Swedish_Chef> but it doesn't have automatic ipod integration
[06:15] <lightbright> bimberi: what I like about you is that you are very selective on what you comment on. Not a big fan of idle chatter, are you? :)
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> OptiPlex: in time, my friend, in time :)
[06:15] <oskude> Swedish_Chef, i thought itunes requires OSX...
[06:15] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:15] <OptiPlex> the windows version of itunes is 1337
[06:15] <regeya_> itunes...there's a windows version
[06:15] <locomorto> amarok is 31337
[06:15] <oskude> lol
[06:15] <mattsm> n0dl, do you know the option in the xorg.conf file to chance the refresh rate?
[06:15] <OptiPlex> however rhythmbox is supposed to have ipod integration
[06:15] <EddieDaMan> can anyone help me setup my wpa-psk wireless?
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> i used to love kde, but i got annoyed with the clutter
[06:15] <regeya_> if you want *good* itunes, you need os x
[06:15] <Swedish_Chef> so now i'm trying to stay all gnome
[06:15] <Aurora> amarok is hot, wish it wasn't qt based though
[06:16] <lightbright> Swedish_Chef: yeah sounds good
[06:16] <smo> OptiPlex, it does for playback .. I'm not sure it'll actually manage the contents of the ipod tho
[06:16] <Swedish_Chef> does amarok support ipod?
[06:16] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: iirc #ipw2100 has a link to a tutorial on how to do that in its topic.
[06:16] <Aurora> yep
[06:16] <Aurora> amarok supports pods
[06:16] <oskude> itunes is just a fancy music organizing program, right ?
[06:16] <lightbright> Aurora: Amarok cover picture doesnt work for me all the time
[06:16] <bimberi> lightbright: i'm actually at work, i can be a bit more chatty after hours :)
[06:16] <n0dl> mattsm: well its been awhile since i used gnome but isnt there like some kind of gnome panel function that allows you to change your resolutions and stuff?
[06:16] <regeya_> gnome reduces clutter at the expense of flexibility.  it looks rather nice, though.
[06:16] <OptiPlex> lol, the 'lite' version of kde on freebsd is 1337z0r
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[06:16] <lightbright> Aurora: work for you?
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> do i join that?
[06:16] <lightbright> bimberi:  hehe ;)
[06:16] <ispiked> oskude: it lets you download music, too.
[06:16] <EddieDaMan> i'm a noob
[06:16] <OptiPlex> n0dl, there is in the menu
[06:16] <oskude> ispiked, OMG :)
[06:16] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: /join #ipw2100
[06:17] <ispiked> EddieDaMan: or /topic #ipw2100
[06:17] <n0dl> OptiPlex: what was directions to it?
[06:17] <misguided> hi everyone...
[06:17] <OptiPlex> i heard high school kids in NYC, USA are getting mugged and shot over ipods
[06:17] <mattsm> n0dl, yes there is, but its only giving me one option... I wanted to try another one like you suggested
[06:17] <smo> oskude, think rhythmbox + store + + drm + vendor lockin + high polish
[06:17] <n0dl> mattsm: ok i know why
[06:17] <OptiPlex> oh, im not on my ubuntu box this second but gimme like 30 seconds n0dl
[06:17] <lightbright> Aurora: Amarok cover picture doesnt work for me all the time when I try to download pictures covers!  what about you?
[06:17] <NoUse> OptiPlex if they are dumb enough to wear the white earphones, sometimes
[06:17] <tsume> yay
[06:17] <kreatine> hey guys does the server install any x at all? even the base?
[06:17] <n0dl> mattsm: try putting your res to the smallest possible (like 640x480) or whatever it is
[06:17] <tsume> amarok works, I just needed the gstreamer plugins :)
[06:17] <oskude> smo, yeah, thought something like that :) (but watch out for the scrathes;)
[06:18] <lightbright> Ophiocus: thats horrible :(
[06:18] <OptiPlex> gnomemenu, system, preferences, screen resolution
[06:18] <OptiPlex> however mine wont change on 5.04 ppc
[06:18] <intelikey> kreatine: no
[06:18] <Aurora> lightbright, what do you mean "download"? you mean off the internet? thats not an amarok bug thats an amazon search engine screwup
[06:18] <kreatine> ok good, thanks
[06:18] <locomorto> OptiPlex: 5.10 is out
[06:18] <OptiPlex> heh, CDs are on the way locomorto :] 
[06:18] <kreatine> oh and once its done whats the best way to install packages?
[06:18] <kreatine> i mean whats the package manager of choice?
[06:18] <oskude> btw. wheres ubuntu 5.08 ?
[06:19] <lightbright> OptiPlex: thats horrible :(
[06:19] <locomorto> oskude: lol
[06:19] <Corrupter> ok, seriously, where can i get the mp3 codec from?
[06:19] <n0dl> mattsm: did you change it to the smallest setting?
[06:19] <intelikey> kreatine: man apt-get
[06:19] <lightbright> Aurora: ah ok
[06:19] <oskude> locomorto, :)
[06:19] <kreatine> ok
[06:19] <locomorto> !tell corrupter about mp3
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> whee
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> installing amarok
[06:19] <Swedish_Chef> and a ton of kde deps
[06:19] <OptiPlex> heh whats horrible lightbright? :] 
[06:19] <smo> oskude: the numbering is year.month .. so releasing every 6 months takes you from 4, to 10 .. no 8 :)
[06:19] <n0dl> eep KDE!
[06:19] <lightbright> Aurora: but they download, just cant save them
[06:19] <oskude> smo, yup.
[06:19] <locomorto> Swedish Chef: its not too bad, come on
[06:19] <misguided> brand new machine, trying to boot badger live CD.  stalled some message related to ohci about "Unlink after no-IRQ?", so I used 'noapic nolapic' as boot parameters, and that worked enough to get all the way through the setup and now it stalls Starting Hotplug System :(
[06:19] <lightbright> OptiPlex i heard high school kids in NYC, USA are getting mugged and shot over ipods  <-- thats horrible
[06:19] <n0dl> so much ram taken away! so much RAM!
[06:19] <Corrupter> ... does ANYBODY know????????
[06:19] <mattsm> n0dl, I can not change it, there is only one choice
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> locomorto: not complaining. though i did tell it to install some extra kde "deps" :D
[06:20] <intelikey> kreatine: there is a cli menu driven frontend 'aptitude'    but i don't like it.
[06:20] <kreatine> lightbright i doubt they are getting shot :)
[06:20] <locomorto> !mp3
[06:20] <ubotu> well, mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <OptiPlex> lightbright: IRL, that is soooo ghetto
[06:20] <n0dl> mattsm: hmmm i think your other videomodes are disabled
[06:20] <lightbright> Aurora: if I need to define search, then they wont save
[06:20] <Aurora> lightbright, Thats because amarok is LEGAL to use, they designed the software to abide by amazon's terms of service
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> n0dl: i know, right? i only have 1.5GB of ram :/
[06:20] <oskude> Corrupter, have you read this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <OptiPlex> for GNOME, you need to do 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' for mp3 support
[06:20] <n0dl> Swedish_Chef: why dont you use XFCE?
[06:20] <OptiPlex> ...for rhythmbox and totem that is
[06:20] <n0dl> its just as pretty
[06:20] <n0dl> mattsm: are you in command line?
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> because ubuntu lubs gnome
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> and i don't wish to anger the ubuntu gods
[06:20] <Corrupter> oskude yes
[06:20] <Swedish_Chef> they might smite me
[06:21] <Corrupter> oskude i haven't found it anywhere
[06:21] <n0dl> mattsm: i think i know why you only have one option
[06:21] <regeya_> bah.
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> and force me to use windows me :(
[06:21] <Aurora> lightbright, they should save for about 60 days then automatically delete
[06:21] <n0dl> mattsm: only one video mode is actvated for you
[06:21] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: ahhhh!!! evil!!!
[06:21] <n0dl> i wish i could use openbox again
[06:21] <misguided> can anyone point me in the right direction for a next step regarding some sort of basic hardware incompatibility as per above?
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> kde is so much prettier than gnome
[06:21] <Swedish_Chef> it makes me want to install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <n0dl> xfce is prettier than gnome and more effcient than kubuntu
[06:22] <mattsm> n0dl, how would I change that?
[06:22] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: no need to get into that here :)
[06:22] <regeya_> Swedish_Chef: kde on ubuntu is one of the best of any on any linux distribution.
[06:22] <OptiPlex> anyone ever use kde-lite ?
[06:22] <n0dl> mattsm: well how did you install ubuntu base or normal?
[06:22] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: there's a kde-lite?
[06:22] <oskude> Corrupter, scnr http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html :)
[06:22] <kreatine> has anyone tried running a power supply (200w) without a fan? i want this darn thing to be as quiet as possible and ripped the fan out, wonder if it will hold :)
[06:22] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it would've sounded appetizing before I decided to switch to ratpoison... hmmm...
[06:22] <wooly> what the easiest way to get a belkin wifi card working on ubuntu?
[06:22] <OptiPlex> i dunno about on ubuntu, but there is on bsd heh
[06:22] <regeya_> Swedish_Chef: if anyone tries to convince you that "ubuntu" isn't a kde distribution, it's all lies ;-)
[06:22] <OptiPlex> and it fuxxing PWNS
[06:22] <Swedish_Chef> regeya_: no worries, i've used kubuntu quite a bit :)
[06:22] <mattsm> ubuntu normal
[06:22] <intelikey> kreatine: ub is based on debian,  is uses most of the same system tools.    dpkg is the package manager and apt is a frontend for dpkg.      aptatude and synaptic are cli/gui menu driven frontends respectivly
[06:23] <regeya_> kde-lite, eh?
[06:23] <intelikey> kreatine: probably not.
[06:23] <OptiPlex> kreatine: my mac doesnt have a cpu fan lol
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: ok... do you know how to boot into safe mode?
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: and do you know how to use irssi and command line?
[06:23] <kreatine> wll its been running for 24hours without a fan on either cpu or ps
[06:23] <OptiPlex> kde-lite is kewl, it keeps the install CD's down to 1 lol
[06:23] <smo> kreatine .. I imagine that varies from model to model.  I've done the same to a video card and survived however.  my best advice is to keep a close eye on it for a good while
[06:23] <oskude> OptiPlex, yeah, thats one of the reasons i like mactops :)
[06:23] <kreatine> i wonder if it will keep going or send me crying :)
[06:23] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: you can do that without kde-lite, i'm pretty sure
[06:23] <n0dl> mattsm: basically are you familiar with booting into the shell and use it good?
[06:23] <intelikey> kreatine: if you let the smoke out of it, it will never work right again.    :)
[06:24] <smo> kreatine: turn it off when it smells funny :)
[06:24] <kreatine> nene :)
[06:24] <misguided> Can I disable hotplug with a live cd??
[06:24] <OptiPlex> heh, probably but fbsd comes with gnome too, i may have to h4x that heh
[06:24] <mattsm> n0dl, yea
[06:24] <fft> so if i messed up x how can i boot into a terminal to reconfigure? right now its going to blank black screen.
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> oh
[06:24] <n0dl> mattsm: ok well maybe you could do this in a terminal
[06:24] <OptiPlex> fft: CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:24] <smo> I never did figure out how they fit all that magic blue smoke into such tiny black boxes
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> when is openoffice going to be updated to the latest 2.0 release?
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> i don't like using 1.9
[06:24] <n0dl> mattsm: ok try opening a terminal
[06:24] <Swedish_Chef> makes me feel old
[06:24] <mattsm> n0dl, ok
[06:25] <OptiPlex> and ALT+F7 to go back to X if its up
[06:25] <kreatine> i wonder how i'll explain this to the firecrew if things go wrong :) well the building burned down but it was quiet...lol
[06:25] <intelikey> fft: if you break x you use the console.
[06:25] <fft> thanks!!!
[06:25] <OptiPlex> lol@kreatine
[06:25] <drummer87> hey all, quick question.. i want to install dapper on a second hard drive and mount my breezy /home dir, but it's on a partition that holds the whole of breezy (/). How can I just mount the /home dir in the dapper install?
[06:25] <OptiPlex> did it work fft?
[06:25] <n0dl> alright i want you to try the command sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:26] <n0dl> then a blue screen should come up
[06:26] <oskude> kreatine, LMAOF
[06:26] <McScruff> hi, im trying to compile an image for a tv box and getting an error
[06:26] <n0dl> mattsm: if this doesnt work then i think i have another solution... but it may be more abrasive...
[06:26] <OptiPlex> my mac is the ultimate jukebox lol
[06:26] <McScruff> configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh ./config.sub
[06:26] <mattsm> n0dl, ahhhh this is what I am looking for =)
[06:26] <kreatine> :0 yay install is finished, i'll see you guys later...hopefully without any burns :)
[06:26] <n0dl> mattsm: did it work?
[06:26] <smo> drummer, it should be doable if you're willing to pull your sleeves up.  especially if you read up on the pivot functions in initrd.  I'm not sure there's an easy way, however
[06:26] <ajmitch_> drummer87: mount the partition, and bind-mount the directory
[06:27] <intelikey> kreatine: na    if the ps gets to hot it will just blow the fuse.       'after the scr's burn closed'
[06:27] <dell500> does anyone know if gtkpod will reset to factory defaults? like format the ipod and put everythign back on?
[06:27] <OptiPlex> kreatine: in case of fire, RUNNN!
[06:27] <fft> how do i determine my video cards bus identifier with lspci?
[06:27] <drummer87> thanks
[06:27] <n0dl> mattsm: once you reconfigure it restart x
[06:27] <smo> fft, run it, look for the line that looks most likely, and look for a a number that looks like 00,010 or similar
[06:28] <h> how do I change the permission of /dev/nvram and make it permanent? The permission is reset on every reboot.
[06:28] <n0dl> mattsm: better yet restart the computer
[06:28] <OptiPlex> mattsm: kill -9 -1
[06:28] <intelikey> n0dl: no.
[06:28] <OptiPlex> that should pwn X and restart
[06:28] <OptiPlex> even though it crashes SuSE lol
[06:28] <n0dl> intelikey: wha?
[06:28] <fft> smo, theres lots of numbers
[06:28] <intelikey> this is not micro-restart.  this is linux.
[06:29] <n0dl> lol
[06:29] <n0dl> ok im sorry
[06:29] <n0dl> well you could just ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:29] <n0dl> then type startx
[06:29] <Sedge> !printer sharing
[06:29] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Sedge
[06:29] <OptiPlex> microsuck confuses me. press CTRL+ALT+DEL to CONTINUE? wtf
[06:29] <Sedge> !printershare
[06:29] <ubotu> Sedge: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:29] <h> how do I change the permission of /dev/nvram and make it permanent? The permission is reset on every reboot.
[06:29] <Sedge> !printer
[06:29] <ubotu> methinks printer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[06:29] <n0dl> im surprised im giving advice and ive only been using linux for like 2 mo
[06:29] <Sedge> anyone know how to setup a printer share in ubuntu?
[06:30] <smo> h, you most likely want to read into /etc/udev/udev.rules
[06:30] <OptiPlex> heh n0dl: I was giving advice my first day in here, and I know jack about ubuntu heh
[06:30] <intelikey> n0dl: no need for startx     ctrl+alt+bs doesn't kill gdm it only resets the xserver.
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> argh
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> despite setting up cups and my printer many times
[06:30] <smo> fft, sorry I can't be much more specific than that, I'm working from memory .. I'm running ubuntu in a virtual machine, so there is no pci
[06:30] <fft> if 0000:10:0 is right before display controller, that must be my bus id? so it i would enter in 10?
[06:30] <Swedish_Chef> i cannot for the life of me get it working this time
[06:30] <DShepher1> n0dl: what intelikey said ^^^
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> standard network printer (minolta magicolor 2300 dl)
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> i'm connecting to it via jetdirect, as per the suggestion of linuxprinting
[06:31] <smo> fft, most likely 0:10:0 .. I'm sure the extra digits aren't there for the ride
[06:31] <Swedish_Chef> it should work, as it did in the past. but it doesn't. i've run cups in debug and debug2 modes, but i can't find any error
[06:31] <fft> ok thanks!
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> and yes, i am using the foomatic drivers
[06:32] <smo> I never realised uml provides no pci .. made lspci fairly startling
[06:32] <dell500> is there a way to convert wav to mp3 in console?
[06:32] <intelikey> well DShepher1 and n0dl that does assume default setting,   i,e, gdm running.      kinda breaks my own rule about assuming default.....  sorry.
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: lame
[06:32] <dell500> is that command?
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> yep
[06:32] <Swedish_Chef> :P
[06:32] <dell500> sweet
[06:32] <dell500> what else does lame convert?
[06:32] <dell500> flac to mp3?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> everything
[06:33] <dell500> even flac and ogg?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> it's the main linux audio encoder, i believe
[06:33] <smo> just wav to mp2/mp3 as far as I know
[06:33] <dell500> to say apple lossless format?
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> smo: i thought lame did everything...
[06:33] <Swedish_Chef> if it doesnt, mencoder does
[06:33] <lightbright> dell500: lame converst a cool person into a lame duck ;)
[06:33] <OptiPlex> heh, you have to use lame on osx or windoze too. trust me, i know
[06:33] <dell500> lol lightbright
[06:33] <lightbright> dell500: ;)
[06:34] <smo> Swedish_Chef, I hope not .. I've been piping flac files thru faad for far too long if it does
[06:34] <intelikey> ogg -vs- mp3    war ?
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> apparently it doesn't
[06:34] <dell500> is there a way to do an entire directory?
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> ogg is superior technically
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> but mp3 is more convenient
[06:34] <n0dl> mattsm: once you finish doing that stuff you should try playing with your refresh rates
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> as everything supports it
[06:34] <Razor-X> Swedish_Chef: yeah, only because it has wide support
[06:34] <Swedish_Chef> yeah
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> if i could have rerips of my entire collection in ogg, and my ipod supported it
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> i'd be in heaven
[06:35] <Razor-X> one friend of mine (an audiophile) said that OGGs at high bitrates don't sound as good as MP3s at high bitrates
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> would cut down the size of my collection in half, at least
[06:35] <dell500> if ipod supported flac i would be in heaven
[06:35] <dell500> i have so much music in flac, it's insane
[06:35] <Swedish_Chef> if i was god i'd be in heaven
[06:35] <Razor-X> I have a lot of FLAC stuff
[06:35] <intelikey> ? install linux on the ipod  ?
[06:35] <Razor-X> although I hear APE isn't too bad
[06:35] <n0dl> if ipod was more effcient and bill gates were a hippy the world would be great
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> if ipod had an fm tuner i'd be even happier
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> and am
[06:36] <Ep|phany> anyone know how i can get unrar-nonfree i added repositories but it doesnt show up?
[06:36] <Swedish_Chef> for news and stuff
[06:36] <drummer87> ajmitch_, should i install dapper then make an init script to do"mount /dev/sda2 /breezy   mount --move /breezy/home /home"? or is there a better way?
[06:36] <slide> How do i install azureus? On ubuntuguide.com it tells me how to install j2re but i apparently dont have the correct apt-get source
[06:36] <smo> dell500, you can loop thru the shell, but beware you'll end up with no id3 tags at all like that
[06:36] <n0dl> ipoooeds
[06:36] <dell500> smo, that's what easytag is for :)
[06:37] <drummer87> and would it matter if dapper puts anything in its /home? ie. can i mount to a non-empty dir?
[06:37] <smo> for I in *wav ; do lame "$I" "${I%wav}.mp3" ; done
[06:37] <intelikey> !repos
[06:37] <ubotu> methinks repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[06:37] <dell500> smo, i have a whole system for my mp3s nowadays lol, i've been doing it for the past 3 weeks sorting and deleting
[06:37] <dell500> it's insnae
[06:37] <intelikey> slide:  ^
[06:37] <slide> ty
[06:37] <dell500> well 2 weeks
[06:37] <Ep|phany> anyone knwo the aptget thing for unrar non free?
[06:37] <mattsm> n0dl: hi, i got it working =)
[06:37] <mattsm> n0dl: thanks
[06:37] <Razor-X> I keep most of my music in FLAC or OGG
[06:37] <dell500> now all i need to do is get my flac files on my ipod :)
[06:37] <bimberi> Sedge: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWinXP   ?
[06:37] <dell500> Razor-X, do you use an ipod?
[06:37] <smo> dell500, you might want to stick an echo in there the first time around, to make sure I didn't get # and % the wrong way around again
[06:37] <OptiPlex> heh, i wish i could batch convert all my mp3s to ogg
[06:38] <Razor-X> I can't tell whether OGG sounds bad at high bitrates, then again I don't have $300 headphones and am not an audiophile
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: nopers
[06:38] <OptiPlex> Razor-X: ogg's on floppies heh
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: I'll bet iPod Linux could solve the OGG/FLAC problem, though :)
[06:38] <dell500> Razor-X, not on a 5G Video
[06:38] <Swedish_Chef> 64kbps ogg is the same as 128kbps mp3
[06:38] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[06:38] <OptiPlex> so could toaster-unix :] 
[06:38] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, do you use playlists, or no?
[06:38] <Razor-X> dell500: then build yourself one :)
[06:38] <Swedish_Chef> dell500: nein
[06:39] <Swedish_Chef> don't know why i never got into that
[06:39] <smo> Razor-X .. possibly not.  a lot of the decoding goes on in hardware, so codecs not supported by the hardware are a whole lot more cpu intensive
[06:39] <Swedish_Chef> i guess with over 70GB of music, it's a tad too time-consuming :P
[06:39] <Razor-X> I'll bet you can build an iPod equivalent for half the price, of course it wouldn't be as small or stylish looking
[06:39] <OptiPlex> :[
[06:39] <Razor-X> smo: true, but you can still play MP3 with a very small overhead
[06:39] <smo> cheapest mp3 player I've seen was $10 US minus media
[06:39] <polpak> .... ubuntu-offtopic ?
[06:39] <dell500> Swedish_Chef, i feel ya, i'm about to wipe my pod clean and just stick the files on it, and use the ipod's artist/album thing instead, much easier
[06:40] <Razor-X> OGG shouldn't be much more intensive, but there is a difference with FLAC
[06:40] <StDellis> what do you guys suggest. which is better GNome or KDE?
[06:40] <OptiPlex> smo: what was it a 32M?
[06:40] <dell500> flac is awesome :)
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: whatever you prefer
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> use both
[06:40] <locomorto> StDellis: its amatter of personal preference
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> and see which you like better
[06:40] <Razor-X> StDellis: my advice is to try both out
[06:40] <OptiPlex> MOTIF!
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> AQUA!
[06:40] <smo> OptiPlex .. that was the minus media.  it had a little hole waiting for you to but the memory card separately
[06:40] <Razor-X> StDellis: and along with it, try out other WMs
[06:40] <StDellis> swedish_chef I have never used KDE is it easy to switch over to KDE and back again? or does it take alot of work
[06:40] <Razor-X> NeXT!
[06:40] <smo> *buy
[06:40] <OptiPlex> aqua is too slow :[
[06:40] <OptiPlex> mwm
[06:40] <dell500> I like Gnome, i used Kubuntu, but didn't like it.
[06:40] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: easy as cake
[06:41] <OptiPlex> hm, that's kewl
[06:41] <StDellis> razor-x is it easy to switch back to Gnome if I want
[06:41] <dell500> StDellis, try out both, and see which one you like better
[06:41] <Swedish_Chef> StDellis: if running ubuntu with gnome, just type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <Swedish_Chef> then you can switch without problem
[06:41] <Razor-X> I don't use a very standard WM, personally, it appeals to mea, and probably only about 100 others on the net
[06:41] <drummer87> StDellis, just "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and you choose when u log in
[06:41] <OptiPlex> ...if you have cable/dsl but everyone has that but me lol
[06:41] <Razor-X> StDellis: of course, and dozens of other WMs should be easy as well
[06:41] <Razor-X> *me
[06:41] <smo> StDellis: On the login screen, you'll see an option labelled session.  you can pick from whatever you have installed right there.  so changing to, from and back again isn't a problem
[06:41] <OptiPlex> motif owns
[06:42] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :P
[06:42] <dell500> Coffee is so good.
[06:42] <StDellis> smo awesome thanks guys
[06:42] <OptiPlex> i destroyed kde on suse once, and had to use motif and it grew on me
[06:42] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: holy mother
[06:42] <dell500> what is motif?
[06:42] <Razor-X> don't even mention that, *ever(
[06:42] <Razor-X> **ever*
[06:42] <n0dl> holy crap ive only been using linux for a month?!
[06:42] <dell500> lol
[06:42] <n0dl> wow i thought ive been using it for longer than that
[06:43] <dell500> anyone here like YMSB?? :)
[06:43] <OptiPlex> the S word?
[06:43] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: but then, if you were happy with Motif, try out ratpoison :)
[06:43] <ajmitch_> drummer87: no need for a separate script, you can do it in /etc/fstab with the rest
[06:43] <Knowerrors> Can anybody recommend some good unofficial ubuntu repositories?
[06:43] <Razor-X> there's only one WM I know that's more minimalistic, and two I know that are as minimalistic
[06:43] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:43] <ajmitch_> drummer87: and I prefer mount --bind
[06:43] <Razor-X> (the more minimalistic one would have to be aewm)
[06:43] <ajmitch_> which I use to share directories with chroots :)
[06:43] <Razor-X> but, if you're like me and love GNU screen, then ratpoison becomes an awesome experience
[06:44] <Razor-X> and it comes in with a built-in ``boss key'' :)
[06:44] <OptiPlex> !
[06:44] <ubotu> OptiPlex: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:44] <StDellis> when it says these packages cannot be authenticated is it still ok to install them for KDE
[06:44] <OptiPlex> damn bot
[06:44] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[06:44] <OptiPlex> note to self: put a space before !
[06:44] <Razor-X> StDellis: I do, but then if my system f's up, I can probably solve it, so take the advice of other people :)
[06:44] <IguanaNed> can anyone here help out a noob tryin to install ubuntu?
[06:45] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: shoot
[06:45] <OptiPlex> im a noob, whatcha need?
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x well I just did the sudo apt-get install kubuntu blah balh and it says these things cannot be authed
[06:45] <IguanaNed> just rant the installation.. told me to reboot. than I am left if a logon prompt
[06:45] <Razor-X> StDellis: kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x yes
[06:45] <kushboy> I know this isn't the place, but this is one of the only IRC channels I know. Does anything know of or know how I can find a good Windows XP tech support channel?
[06:45] <Razor-X> StDellis: if it were me, I'ld install inspite of the warning :P
[06:45] <Razor-X> kushboy: ..... #windows
[06:45] <Razor-X> if there's anyone there
[06:45] <StDellis> razor-x yea I'm gonna do it anyways
[06:45] <IguanaNed> on the online documentationit sadi it would continue the installation after reboot
[06:45] <n0dl> kushboy: you should google it
[06:46] <NoUse> kushboy its actually ##windows
[06:46] <Razor-X> oh, i'm sorry
[06:46] <kushboy> k
[06:46] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: it should, does it give you an error about X?
[06:46] <dell500> so no Yonder fans i guess :)
[06:46] <Razor-X> dell500: Yonder?
[06:47] <IguanaNed> Razor-X: doesnt do anything just gives me a log on prompt
[06:47] <IguanaNed> no gui
[06:47] <DShepherd> what's yonder
[06:47] <trigg3r> hey y'all
[06:47] <OptiPlex> ...the lunatic is on the grass
[06:47] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: can you login?
[06:47] <n0dl> IguanaNed: are you in command line?
[06:47] <IguanaNed> can log in with the account i created..
[06:47] <spasmodo> Hello everyone
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> asdkfadskjf
[06:47] <IguanaNed> but there are not directories
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> switched to kde
[06:47] <spasmodo> I have a wireless Q
[06:47] <trigg3r> can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4821
[06:47] <Swedish_Chef> now where the hell is the screen resize applet...
[06:47] <n0dl> Iguananed: do you boot into the shell?
[06:48] <IguanaNed> n0dl: yep
[06:48] <OptiPlex> kontrol center :] 
[06:48] <IguanaNed> not sure what the default root pwd is
[06:48] <clint-> hey all, when I put a data cd in, containing, mpeg, or mp3, it lags when it is pulling up all the data. any reason why that might be doing that?
[06:48] <spasmodo> wlan0 does not show up in ifconfig -a, ndiswapper reports driver and hardware installed
[06:48] <NoUse> !tell IguanaNed about root
[06:48] <n0dl> IguanaNed: you want kde right?
[06:49] <n0dl> IguanaNed: Did you do a base install or a regular install?
[06:49] <rohan> hi all
[06:49] <slide> 5.10 == breazy?
[06:49] <n0dl> slide: its beezy
[06:49] <n0dl> *breezy
[06:49] <rohan> how do i see all the apps in a particular repo ? (backports, in this case)
[06:49] <n0dl> IguanaNed: brb
[06:49] <mattsm> Does anyone know how to set a default sound card? I have two sound cards in my machine
[06:50] <slide> er yea
[06:50] <slide> I was like, beezy? wtf lol
[06:50] <spasmodo> any ideas ? -- wlan0 does not show up in ifconfig -a, ndiswapper reports driver and hardware installed
[06:50] <psusi> why the hell is it when composing an email in thunderbird, you hit enter and it SHOWS a blank line for proper spacing between paragraphs... but then when it sends the email, there is no blank line?
[06:51] <smo> almost sounds like it's composing as html but sending as text?
[06:51] <psusi> I think that may be what it is doing...
[06:51] <sethk> psusi, because the widget displaying the message inserts line feeds
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, but they aren't actually in the message
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, if you resize, the lines are readjusted
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, you can set a maximum length to send
[06:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know whether the maemo can run generic linux apps, if they are compiled for it?
[06:52] <psusi> sethk, well it should not do that... if it shows a line feed, there should be one...
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, I agree
[06:52] <sethk> psusi, but I'm not important  :)
[06:53] <psusi> well, it's about time for me to go pass out
[06:53] <Razor-X> holy wow
[06:53] <z3r0x> lol
[06:53] <trinidad> (ie, the ubuntu howto for upgrading hoary to breezy?
[06:53] <Razor-X> w00t, I'm the first after the netsplit to talk! :)
[06:53] <trinidad> anyone?
[06:53] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: type pwd.... what does that print
[06:53] <clint-> I am going submit my hardware information. that way ubuntu can help out more, I bet some people forget to do that..
[06:53] <choudesh> wow
[06:53] <choudesh> nice netsplit
[06:53] <z3r0x> how can I find out if ettercap is configured with ssl support?
[06:53] <psusi> Razor-X, I talked in the middle of it... heh
[06:53] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:53] <DShepherd> what's netsplit
[06:54] <Madpilot> !tell trinidad about breezyupgrade
[06:54] <OptiPlex> me too heh
[06:54] <Razor-X> psusi: not on my end, you didn't :P
[06:54] <Razor-X> so I wonder
[06:54] <trigg3r> can anyone help me with a package uninstall issue? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4821
[06:54] <OptiPlex> heh
[06:54] <rohan> how do i see all the apps in a particular repo ? (backports, in this case)
[06:54] <psusi> Razor-X, I mean in the middle of the rejoin... half way through the join spams
[06:54] <Razor-X> did I split from the router, or did the rest of the servers split from us
[06:54] <rohan> OptiPlex: got mine three days back XD
[06:54] <Razor-X> psusi: not on my end you didn't :)
[06:54] <IguanaNed> pwd returns /home/iguana
[06:54] <OptiPlex> lucky :[
[06:54] <mattsm> Does anyone know how to set a default sound card on ubuntu?
[06:54] <psusi> Razor-X, yea... cause you were on the far side of the split ;)
[06:54] <IguanaNed> cd ..
[06:54] <OptiPlex> Iguana... thats because there aint nothing in home
[06:55] <Razor-X> psusi: I just got a ``psusi, I agree'' from someone after I talked
[06:55] <sethk> trigg3r, there is an incorrect dependency in something that you are installing
[06:55] <OptiPlex> cd /
[06:55] <sethk> trigg3r, a program that should be there, is not
[06:55] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: try ``cd /''
[06:55] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: type cd /
[06:55] <IguanaNed> ok my bad
[06:55] <clint-> I guess its back to debian 3.1
[06:55] <DShepherd> IguanaNed: and then... ls
[06:55] <IguanaNed> had to use cd ..
[06:55] <IguanaNed> right
[06:55] <IguanaNed> there are some files and dirs now
[06:55] <IguanaNed> i was using cd \
[06:55] <Razor-X> or you can use ``cd ..'' twice
[06:55] <OptiPlex> i try to do 'cd /' and 'ls' on DOS, and I cry when it doesnt work
[06:55] <sethk> clint-, why?  I think I lost your messages in the net split
[06:55] <IguanaNed> and nothin came up
[06:55] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:55] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: this isn't DOS :)
[06:55] <sethk> OptiPlex, cygwin
[06:55] <IguanaNed> :)
[06:56] <spasmodo> Later all
[06:56] <clint-> ty seth, can I private msg you
[06:56] <OptiPlex> heh,
[06:56] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: now try ``startx''
[06:56] <OptiPlex> sethk: too complicated lol
[06:56] <Razor-X> Cygwin is annoying
[06:56] <Razor-X> I'ld rather use coLinux
[06:56] <trigg3r> sethk: i've tried installing the apache, php4, and php5 dependencies of phpmyadmin, but apt still balks at phpmyadmin part. i've already tried removing php,apache,and phpmyadmin. still no go.
[06:56] <IguanaNed> startx returns command not foud      where is it located?
[06:56] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: hmmm...
[06:56] <clint-> I would like to specialize in the linux support for drivers, notebooks. computers.. Internet Security, multimedia, I in all that. not gaming that much.. only on consoles. however I more into the other of the digital world :)
[06:57] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: try a ``dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg''
[06:57] <OptiPlex> wuh oh
[06:57] <Razor-X> errr
[06:57] <sethk> trigg3r, you have to find the package that has that db_get in it, and install that package
[06:57] <OptiPlex> you installed a 'server' install without X it seems
[06:57] <Razor-X> ``sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg''
[06:57] <intelikey> odd / is a valed char in DOS but it only goes to lower (subdir)   only \  will work for any higher dir.
[06:57] <clint-> oh ty
[06:57] <Razor-X> or.. that...
[06:57] <clint-> razor thanks
[06:57] <Mabus07> How do I use MSN messenger or some program to message MSN contacts, anyway, through the terminal?
[06:57] <DShepherd> Razor-X: shouldnt he just install ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:57] <clint-> that what I was lookin for, that saved me life on debian 3.1
[06:57] <Razor-X> clint-: .... thanks what?
[06:57] <clint-> :)
[06:57] <Razor-X> clint-: that wasn't for you...
[06:57] <Razor-X> oh :P
[06:57] <OptiPlex> wtf WHO uses msn? :|
[06:57] <clint-> I know. but thanks anyways
[06:57] <clint-> >_<
[06:57] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: lot's of people
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> does any platform exist that is supported by a pda, but can allow the direct installation of linux and linux apps if they are compiled for it?
[06:58] <Razor-X> lot's of people also use My Space and LiveJournal :)
[06:58] <Razor-X> *lots
[06:58] <OptiPlex> lots of people who wanna talk dirty maybe lol
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> all my friends use myspace
[06:58] <OptiPlex> heh myspace is like CRACK on our campus
[06:58] <Mabus07> OptiPlex: plenty of people... regardless, what can I use to message MSN contacts?
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> OptiPlex where?
[06:58] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it's worse in a high school, I assure you
[06:58] <OptiPlex> im the only one there who doesnt use myspace lol
[06:58] <pztak1> is there a way to restart X without losing all of the open apps?
[06:58] <OptiPlex> in NC brokebn
[06:58] <clint-> RAzor
[06:58] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I'm payed nice money to circumvent our school filters to access MySpace, so please don't call it bad
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> tar heels?
[06:58] <flames> hi, "nmap -sV localhost" result: 5800/tcp open  vnc-http?; 5900/tcp open  vnc? --  how can i stop vnc listening? (krfb?)
[06:58] <Razor-X> it's my money source :P
[06:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> you stole roy williams from us you bastard
[06:58] <OptiPlex> irl
[06:59] <clint-> hey Razor-X
[06:59] <IguanaNed> Razor-X: asked me for my pwd ... then cam up with "local fialed"
[06:59] <Razor-X> clint-: yeahp?
[06:59] <trigg3r> sethk: get_db is part of apt, iirc. it's the phpmyadmin/reconfigure-webserver exec that it fails on...and i can't understand why
[06:59] <OptiPlex> lol, i hate sports I didnt steal JACK :] 
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> so there is no pda architecture that you can compile linux for?
[06:59] <Mabus07> Razor-X: so do you have any suggestions for msn type clients for the terminal?
[06:59] <Razor-X> IguanaNed: you installed a server install :P
[06:59] <IguanaNed> looks like it is looking for some localization setting ie English...etc
[06:59] <sethk> trigg3r, either db_get isn't there, or it isn't in the path
[06:59] <Razor-X> Mabus07: older versions of centericq work with MSN
[06:59] <OptiPlex> heh razor I made that diagnosis like 5 mins ago, catch up you slacker :] 
[06:59] <clint-> would you be able to help me with why my cd-rw/dvd-rom is lagging when I put in data cd. like to listen to my music videos.. or mp3's and it lags reading all the data.. it don't do that on debian, and other linux systems i have. but it does it with ubuntu,kubuntu
[06:59] <Mabus07> Razor-X: and you can use that from the terminal ie: with no x
[07:00] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: i missed that
[07:00] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: unfortunately, they don't work with the current TOC AIM protocol, so you're either going to have to diff the patch in yourself, or not use AIM
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: of course :P
[07:00] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I know, meh
[07:00] <Mabus07> so just, sudo apt-get install centericq
[07:00] <Razor-X> Madpilot: but remember, something older
[07:00] <dopry> Has any else experienced apache2 not supporting namebased virtualhosts with wildcard IP's on ubunut?
[07:00] <Razor-X> err
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: something older
[07:00] <IguanaNed> thanks guys sorry for the inconveniec..
[07:00] <clint-> I have been having a real stressful time with linux for a while, and tryin everthing.. I just need to copy the config files to my debian system for video resolution of 1280x800 then I be happy
[07:00] <Madpilot> Razor-X: huh?
[07:00] <Razor-X> Mabus07: I don't know, the hoary version was old enough to have MSN support built-in
[07:01] <Mabus07> dopry: do you have a router?
[07:01] <Razor-X> Madpilot: wrong use of tabcomplete :P
[07:01] <IguanaNed> I thought the install said to press enter for desktop install
[07:01] <IguanaNed> will have to re-read it
[07:01] <dopry> do I need one for apache to do name based virtual hosting?
[07:01] <clint-> yeah thats the default install IguanaNed , what you needh elp with
[07:01] <Madpilot> Razor-X: yeah, figured it out... np ;)
[07:01] <Razor-X> Mabus07: I don't know about Breezy, you can try googling for the info though :P
[07:01] <trigg3r> sethk: ayt, i'll dig deeper. i got half a mind to remove all references to phpmyadmin in /var/lib/dpkg/info but that will make it harder for me to uninstall the erring package, don't you think?
[07:01] <clint-> I might be able to hel you
[07:01] <clint-> help*
[07:01] <Mabus07> dopry: I had a router and I needed to port forward, and use a dyndns
[07:01] <Mabus07> thanks, Razor-X
[07:01] <sethk> trigg3r, I think it would.  Try just copying db_get to /usr/bin, something that is always in the path
[07:02] <dopry> If you tell me I need a 7206-vxr that would suck... I dont' have 5k sitting around.
[07:02] <intelikey> IguanaNed: default is desktop install  but if you don't have enough free space on / it will fall back to server install also.
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: ohter than centericq, I don't know of much that connects to AIM unless you have a Jabber account and are using a Jabber server that comes with an MSN transport
[07:02] <clint-> ?
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: that also smoothes stuff like AIM compatibility, since they also tend to have AIM transports also
[07:02] <Razor-X> *other
[07:02] <dopry> Marbus07: connectivity isn't a problem... If I run apache 2 on say localhost I can't get NameBasedVirtual  hosting to work with wildcards I have to explicityly set it to 127.0.0.1
[07:02] <Mabus07> I don't need AIM, Razor-X
[07:02] <Razor-X> Mabus07: cool
[07:03] <IguanaNed> Just reran setup and it says Type "SERVER" for base install  press ENTER for default
[07:03] <Razor-X> Mabus07: then just head out and get an older version of centericq
[07:03] <Razor-X> be forewarned though, if you wish to compile it, get prepared to wait a *long* time, believe me :)
[07:03] <intelikey> IguanaNed: ^
[07:03] <Razor-X> #3 in my all-time highest compile times
[07:03] <clint-> anyone good with inputing it. so ubuntu can read other partitions on a hard drive,, primarly dealing with notebooks, data lags with cd-rw/dvd-rom
[07:03] <Razor-X> (always use ``time make'', it adds fun to the game :)
[07:03] <OptiPlex> i always type 'expert' so i dont f*** up and do server by accident lol
[07:04] <clint-> well debian 3.1 was quite fun with the netinst.. :-)
[07:04] <Razor-X> Mabus07: are you X-less, by the way?
[07:04] <IguanaNed> intelikey: GOt 40Gig freespace that should be enough?
[07:04] <intelikey> by far.
[07:04] <OptiPlex> i swear RH7 had the longest compile time when installing a prog from source
[07:04] <clint-> lol
[07:04] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: :)
[07:05] <OptiPlex> i literally smoked half a pack of cigs waiting
[07:05] <clint-> it had.. didn't it :-)
[07:05] <Razor-X> IIRC, centericq clocked in at 22m compile time
[07:05] <intelikey> IguanaNed: you only need about 6g
[07:05] <clint-> lol
[07:05] <trinidad> what version of amarok comes with breezy
[07:05] <trinidad> ?
[07:05] <Razor-X> but it also produced a 30 MB executable :)
[07:05] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:05] <trinidad> ?
[07:05] <intelikey> for everything.
[07:05] <OptiPlex> they were 100's too...
[07:05] <OptiPlex> ?
[07:05] <Razor-X> mplayer is 2nd on that list
[07:05] <IguanaNed> Wonder why it would go back to server mode ?
[07:05] <clint-> you know anything with support on notebooks. and might be able to help me with this dam acer aspire 3610, its fairly new. got it from the College
[07:05] <Razor-X> (with 30 minutes)
[07:06] <IguanaNed> I should jhust be able to press enter and it will install desktop right?
[07:06] <Razor-X> and honorary first place is taken by none other than the heavyweight CEDEGA
[07:06] <trinidad> anyone know which version of amarok comes with breezy
[07:06] <trinidad> ?
[07:06] <Razor-X> (which I don't use, anyhow :)
[07:06] <OptiPlex> not really, my notebook is an old 486 compaq that doesnt boot
[07:06] <OptiPlex> iguana: just type 'expert' to be safe.
[07:06] <Razor-X> clint-: what seems to be the problem?
[07:06] <Razor-X> (Linux still has a rough time on laptops)
[07:06] <intelikey> don't know but you can run 'sudo apt-get install [k] ubuntu-desktop ' IguanaNed to put the gui on there.
[07:06] <clint-> it seems like there's always some dam problem whether its with a distrubutin. I even tried debian 3.1, and PC BSD, I gettin fed up of 1 thing working great on 1, then not working great on the other..
[07:07] <OptiPlex> razor: link me a bootleg site for cedega :] 
[07:07] <Slackwise> hehe, I just installed the Ubuntu theme on all my machines :P
[07:08] <Turicas> helloss, i want to delete some files from a NTFS partition. can i do it? how?
[07:08] <Turicas> hello all, i want to delete some files from a NTFS partition. can i do it? how?
[07:08] <EddieDaMan> can someone please help me get my wpa-psk to work on my laptop?
[07:08] <EddieDaMan> my attempts have been unsuccessful
[07:08] <OptiPlex> OOH is pcbsd any good?
[07:08] <clint-> don't make much since to me at all. and i don't want to sale this laptop.. maybe its the laptop.. :(
[07:08] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: you can compile Cedega from CVS free of charge
[07:08] <Razor-X> BSD *shudders*
[07:08] <OptiPlex> w00t :] 
[07:08] <OptiPlex> heh, fbsd ownz
[07:08] <intelikey> IguanaNed: yes enter should reload the full system.
[07:08] <Razor-X> a distro that makes tcsh their default shell should be maimed
[07:08] <trigg3r> thanks again sethk
[07:08] <clint-> yeah its really awesome.. fast as hell.  fastest system I have ever been on, because its unix base, and its kde on FreeBSD
[07:08] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: ty will try expert
[07:08] <OptiPlex> id still be dualbooting fbsd and win2k on my pc if I had a working harddrive
[07:08] <clint-> however, it didnt' detect my keyboad and set the keys how i thought it was.. see always something wrong
[07:08] <Razor-X> still.... the pain... it's... tcsh... :(
[07:08] <OptiPlex> good luck iguana
[07:08] <Razor-X> and it has such weird device names
[07:09] <Razor-X> clint-: you can try picking another keyboard layout
[07:09] <OptiPlex> bsd=ee instead of vi, and God bless them for that
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> okay
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> what the EFF happened to the fonts in kde!?
[07:09] <Swedish_Chef> argh
[07:09] <Razor-X> clint-: or if need be, make one yourself
[07:09] <clint-> so I set it to acpi by default, I am waiting for PC BSD 1.0 official to be released.. FreeBSD 6.0 is too dam hard to install :)
[07:09] <OptiPlex> try fbsd on it clint, it is a little more 'controlled' as far as development :] 
[07:09] <OptiPlex> 5.3 that is
[07:09] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: instead of vi?
[07:09] <clint-> read up :)
[07:09] <OptiPlex> I HATE vi...
[07:09] <lilo> hmmm
[07:09] <Razor-X> :P
[07:09] <Razor-X> I don't mind vi, not that I use it of course
[07:09] <clint-> I would just like it.. if ubuntu would get the dam data loadedin. and play my dam mpeg's and mp3's!!!
[07:09] <OptiPlex> vim isnt that bad, but omfg normal vi is friggen SATAN
[07:09] <clint-> then I can be a little more patient :-)
[07:09] <slide> Ok, so i followed the ubuntus guide to adding all the repositories and i apt-get'd azureus and it installed j2re 1.4 and not 1.5, and then azureus is like really old too
[07:09] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: oh, normal vi, meh
[07:10] <c0n> could someone help me get my wireless working under ubuntu?
[07:10] <Razor-X> clint-: :), well I setup both here pretty quickly
[07:10] <c0n> i found the drivers i need, just dont know what to do with them
[07:10] <OptiPlex> heh i know the feeling clint, I reloaded my PC like 5 times thinking linux/bsd/windows had problems working together, and it was just a bad HDD
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> this is not good
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> things are breaking.
[07:10] <clint-> yeah.. its always working good for someone..
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> and i don't know why
[07:10] <Razor-X> clint-: but I did sweat and bleed too
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> why are my gtk apps segfaulting!?!?!?
[07:10] <clint-> OptiPlex, . yep , I have had many operating systems on pc's
[07:10] <Swedish_Chef> alksdjflkajsdf
[07:10] <clint-> I use Acronis Disk Director suite
[07:10] <intelikey> Swedish_Chef: nothing to do on ub  ehh
[07:11] <clint-> yeah. gee thanks for adding that. so have i
[07:11] <Swedish_Chef> intelikey: hey, this isn't funny. i install kubuntu-desktop and all hell breaks loose
[07:11] <tritium> Swedish_Chef: please quit typing nonsense
[07:11] <Razor-X> I chose a nice summer to setup Ubuntu, that way I can have fun chugging at configs when I don't have anything worthwile to do, except maybe exercise
[07:11] <clint-> when it comes to installing, managing operating systems, migration, erasing hard drives.. I'm pretty good at that.
[07:11] <clint-> support. eh working on it
[07:11] <OptiPlex> clint: if the notebook is a bit old, try an older distro like hoary or something like slack
[07:11] <clint-> its new
[07:11] <clint-> >_<
[07:11] <Razor-X> except, I don't want to setup another mailserver any time soon
[07:11] <OptiPlex> hm, thats weird
[07:11] <Swedish_Chef> tritium: sorry. i'm just puzzled as how stuff that was working 5 seconds ago just suddenly decided to stop working despite me not doing anything
[07:11] <clint-> nah I am not going to slack
[07:11] <clint-> >_<
[07:12] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: if it's bleeding edge and it's a laptop, eh
[07:12] <clint-> I go bakc to debian 3.1 before I go to slack
[07:12] <EddieDaMan> can someonse please help me with my wireless wpa-psk, or my lack of, lol
[07:12] <OptiPlex> heh debian 'does' own
[07:12] <philc> where can I get date/parse.pm?
[07:12] <DShepherd> going to get some shut-eye
[07:12] <ke> Why would an older distribution be better then?
[07:12] <intelikey> OptiPlex: what do you call "a bit old" ?
[07:12] <OptiPlex> i hear netbsd runs on 'everything' if you can take using pkg-add
[07:12] <c0n> hey there again Eddie
[07:13] <clint-> its time to play frisbie golf now . besides.. I had better luck with debian 3.1 loading my music and data cd's better than ubuntu, I guess I have to sacrifice and build my own linux system.. oh wel..
[07:13] <DShepherd> lata
[07:13] <OptiPlex> heh a bit old to me is 3-7 yrs old like my mac lol
[07:13] <OptiPlex> FROLF!
[07:13] <n0dl> IguanaNed: back
[07:13] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it doesen't use portage?!
[07:14] <Razor-X> errrr
[07:14] <webman> how to install xfce on breeze?
[07:14] <Razor-X> BSD ports
[07:14] <IguanaNed> am not
[07:14] <IguanaNed> am now
[07:14] <OptiPlex> nah, pkg-add, ports are fbsd/pcbsd/darwin
[07:14] <tritium> webman: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:14] <Turicas> webman, aptitude install xfce4?
[07:14] <clint-> I'm going to submit my hardware info to ubuntu , at least it will help someone who has a similar problem ..
[07:14] <EddieDaMan> does wireless wpa-psk work on ubuntu?
[07:14] <OptiPlex> i like ports, but synaptic is just soooo much easier to manage
[07:14] <c0n> could someone help me get my wireless working under ubuntu? even just a push in the right direction?
[07:14] <webman> to: tritium >> Thanks
[07:14] <n0dl> w007 i got xfce on a clean install with gnome
[07:14] <Swedish_Chef> okay, i've deduced the issue is with pango
[07:14] <Razor-X> !wireless
[07:14] <n0dl> woot
[07:14] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:14] <clint-> then .. bye bye ubuntu.. hello debian 3.1 again
[07:14] <OptiPlex> i would clint, i should submit that screen-config bug on my mac too heh
[07:15] <c0n> thanks :D
[07:15] <rob_p> clint-:  My Sony laptop is similar in specs to yours.  I'm running Breezy just fine.  Most everything including wireless just worked from the beginning!  However, I did have to do some work to get 1280x800 video resolution.
[07:15] <Swedish_Chef> at least a backtrace in gdb shows things start breaking once pango is called
[07:15] <Razor-X> c0n: :P
[07:15] <c0n> !wireless
[07:15] <clint-> rob
[07:15] <Razor-X> rob_p: his keyboard seems to be messed up
[07:15] <OptiPlex> im glad ubuntu works on the mac
[07:15] <Razor-X> clint-: have you tried making a custom keyboard layout?
[07:15] <OptiPlex> because I am NOT gonna be stuck with OS X if I can help it
[07:15] <clint-> I am not talking about doing work to get video resolution to 1280x800 on my laptop. that was debian
[07:15] <clint-> however debian didn't lag my cd's either
[07:15] <IguanaNed> OPtiPlex: Do I need to run the "Copy remaining packages to hard disk" option?
[07:15] <clint-> funk this shiz :)
[07:15] <OptiPlex> I qould Iguana
[07:16] <intelikey> IguanaNed: yeah
[07:16] <OptiPlex> it makes the config after reboot a bit faster
[07:16] <rob_p> Razor-X:  I see.
[07:16] <clint-> thanks for tryin to get met o stay with ubuntu.. but nah.. its not going work. my internet was blazin with debian 3.1 anwaysy
[07:16] <z3r0x> does anybody know how to sniff ssl user and password with ettercap?
[07:16] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: blah, I keep forgetting that most people have `q' next to `w'
[07:16] <IguanaNed> what about "install the base system"?
[07:16] <OptiPlex> clint: I say stick with debian if it works.. i aint loyal to one distro :] 
[07:16] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:16] <clint-> yeah
[07:16] <clint-> I would rather make myself slave with debian
[07:16] <clint-> than ubuntu
[07:16] <OptiPlex> Iguana, that 'should' be done, but do it again to check
[07:16] <clint-> and plus
[07:17] <rjordan> Anyone else having dependency problems with eclipse?
[07:17] <clint-> it is much faster than ubuntu
[07:17] <Swedish_Chef> wow
[07:17] <Razor-X> clint-: I like Ubuntu a lot, but if Ubuntu refuses to work, then I guess the Debian ship is best
[07:17] <tritium> clint-: nonsense
[07:17] <clint-> some things are just worth sacrificing
[07:17] <Swedish_Chef> installing kubuntu-desktop officially broke my machine. gnome refuses to start
[07:17] <OptiPlex> Im a BSD person myself, but the PPC port of freebsd is in 'early' testing phases
[07:17] <intelikey> IguanaNed: why are you in expert mode now ?
[07:17] <OptiPlex> so im using ubuntu on it
[07:17] <intelikey> IguanaNed: what failed ?
[07:17] <clint-> its not the ubuntu , its the person behind the system
[07:17] <rjordan> OptiPlex: I feel you :)
[07:17] <Razor-X> clint-: but refusing to work by my standards means that BASH is segfaulting
[07:17] <webman> every time i'm trying to install some apps i receive "Setting up w32codecs (20050412+breezy0.0.1) ...
[07:17] <webman> --08:16:24--  http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/windows-all-20050412.zip
[07:17] <webman>            => `windows-all-20050412.zip'
[07:17] <webman> Resolving www1.mplayerhq.hu... 192.190.173.45
[07:17] <webman> Connecting to www1.mplayerhq.hu|192.190.173.45|:80... connected.
[07:17] <Razor-X> soooo... :P
[07:17] <webman> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[07:17] <OptiPlex> intelikey: because i told iguana to choose expert as a precaution lol
[07:17] <clint-> later
[07:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i little tip for anyone with hyperthreaded procs.  run make -j2 to maximize your processing speed
[07:17] <Razor-X> webman: don't paste in the channel
[07:17] <OptiPlex> omfg paste
[07:17] <tritium> webman please don't paste!
[07:17] <OptiPlex> peace client
[07:17] <webman> this can continue for 1ong time
[07:17] <OptiPlex> and good luck IRL!
[07:18] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:18] <Swedish_Chef> -j3 works even better for hyperthreading
[07:18] <clint-> I am going copy some configuration files and then.. replace the ones on my debian system.. :D
[07:18] <EddieDaMan> how do i use the debian sid package?
[07:18] <OptiPlex> :] 
[07:18] <EddieDaMan> will that work for ubuntu?
[07:18] <Razor-X> EddieDaMan: you don't
[07:18] <clint-> :] 
[07:18] <intelikey> IguanaNed: sorry, never mind me.    OptiPlex ok.
[07:18] <clint-> of course lmfao
[07:18] <Madpilot> EddieDaMan: it might just break your Ubuntu...
[07:18] <clint-> break?
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> i can't figure out how to get my wpa-psk to work on this os
[07:19] <clint-> I am takin some of ubuntu settings to debian. nonsense :)
[07:19] <rjordan> EddieDaMan: 'dpkg -i' ?
[07:19] <OptiPlex> good luck with it clint, when I get my PC running, Im gonna dual-boot FBSD/Ubuntu for fun lol
[07:19] <webman> tritium , Razor-x sorry , but how to solve it?
[07:19] <clint-> haha
[07:19] <clint-> OptiPlex,
[07:19] <clint-> Acronis Disk Director Suite 9 is what you need
[07:19] <OptiPlex> even though I'll have to DOWNLOAD everything for FBSD... including X.
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> is wpa-psk supported for ubuntu?
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> i dled the supplicant
[07:19] <OptiPlex> i should make an appointment to leech bandwidth at my friend's house
[07:19] <EddieDaMan> and someone help me edit my config for it
[07:19] <OptiPlex> ...bring him lunch or something as a bribe
[07:20] <clint-> you can put.. quite a operating systems. and os select even graphical select at  boot lol
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> nothing seems to work
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> anyone up for a challenge?
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:20] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> anybody here install kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu machine?
[07:20] <clint-> yep Swedish_Chef
[07:20] <clint-> open a terminal
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> because right now gtk is hosed, and i don't know why
[07:20] <clint-> and type..   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> well, i think it's font rendering and pango
[07:20] <clint-> at least I can help with something before I go :D
[07:20] <EddieDaMan> is kubuntu-desktop better?
[07:20] <Swedish_Chef> clint-: yes, i know that. but that's what broke
[07:21] <ke> A matter of taste I say
[07:21] <tritium> EddieDaMan: it's all preference
[07:21] <clint-> gnome I hear takes less resources :-)
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> ic
[07:21] <Swedish_Chef> i changed my fonts in kde and it screwed up gtk
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> i can't get that to work either, lol
[07:21] <clint-> but I'm leaving and going to me debian 3.1 for headaches :D
[07:21] <OptiPlex> I wish I could set an .avi file as a boot-splash in ubuntu. that would be PIMP!
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> i'd be nice to get one program running tonight
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:21] <EddieDaMan> haven't yet
[07:21] <OptiPlex> i might take an IRC break and finish this 30M download on dialup...
[07:21] <tritium> EddieDaMan: what are you trying to install?
[07:22] <Pablo> o.O
[07:22] <OptiPlex> damn sister and her MMORPGs... *update it.... it wont take but 4 hrs.* its been 5
[07:22] <clint-> imagine 14 cd's if you had to download them.. or 2 dvd's however, if you got the network connectin.. minimal cd, and netinst. however I have the offiical binary cd, and I do the netinst
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> amarok, and my wireless wpa-psk
[07:22] <intelikey> EddieDaMan: kubuntu is ub + kde   and ubuntu is  ub + gnome   and  xubuntu is  ub + xfce
[07:22] <philc> where can I get date/parse.pm?
[07:22] <tritium> EddieDaMan: you don't need sid packages for amarok
[07:22] <slide> hrm this is weird, I can resize the Azureus window, none of its insides change!
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> k
[07:22] <OptiPlex> mmmm xubuntu sounds seksi
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> i tried installin amarok before
[07:22] <clint-> i going run a fluxbox on debian :D
[07:22] <rjordan> philc: cpan
[07:22] <EddieDaMan> kept on rebuffering
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> no sound
[07:23] <GURT> slide: try a BT client that dosen't suck so much ;P
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> coudln't stream either
[07:23] <slide> azureus > *
[07:23] <clint-> hey whats an OS without bugs
[07:23] <clint-> :-)
[07:23] <rjordan> slide: torrentfllux >
[07:23] <OptiPlex> menuetOS :] 
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> window (chuckle)
[07:23] <clint-> No OS! :D
[07:23] <EddieDaMan> windows*
[07:23] <slide> me > *
[07:23] <slide> heh
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:24] <OptiPlex> Apology Accepted, Captain Needa.
[07:24] <n0dl> is there something better to use than totem
[07:24] <clint-> pen drive :D
[07:24] <n0dl> im tired of using totem
[07:24] <OptiPlex> SLAX heh
[07:24] <intelikey> clint-: there isn't one.    there are os's with few  and os's with many.   but os without bugs does not exist.
[07:24] <Razor-X> slide: if you have a swimming pool of RAM, then go ahead and laud Azureus :)
[07:24] <rjordan> lol, torrentflux uses fewer resources then azureus.
[07:24] <linlin> how do you netstat a port and get the pid of a program running on it
[07:24] <clint-> noatun is nice n0dl
[07:24] <OptiPlex> n0dl: Mplayer
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> is there something better than amarok that is semi easy to install through termina>
[07:24] <OptiPlex> download that biatch asap
[07:24] <clint-> thats why I said if you was reading
[07:24] <philc> rjordan: thanks
[07:24] <EddieDaMan> and can stream
[07:24] <clint-> No OS!
[07:24] <OptiPlex> Eddie: xmms
[07:24] <n0dl> clint-: where do i get the source?
[07:24] <GURT> * uses fewer resources than azureus
[07:24] <n0dl> is xmms good?
[07:25] <clint-> oh hey n0dl
[07:25] <clint-> get vlc
[07:25] <Razor-X> see, if you gave emacs as much RAM as you gave Azureus, you'ld be able to do so much more with your system
[07:25] <ke> It's like winamp
[07:25] <z3r0x> I need ettercap with ssl support how can I do this? I installed ettercap with apt-get install ettercap
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> can someone please walk me throught its installation
[07:25] <clint-> www.videolan.org
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> i miss winamp
[07:25] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:25] <OptiPlex> beep media player is tight as a mofo too
[07:25] <clint-> lol
[07:25] <clint-> bugamp :)
[07:25] <OptiPlex> so is vlc :] 
[07:25] <OptiPlex> vlc has GOOM omfg
[07:25] <sambagirl> use vlc
[07:25] <rjordan> I want rhythmbox to not segfault :(
[07:25] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I like VLC, but I do all my media playing in the terminal
[07:25] <OptiPlex> goom makes me feel high
[07:25] <clint-> haha
[07:25] <sambagirl> vlc is for elite use only
[07:25] <clint-> I bet ya do Razor-X lol
[07:25] <OptiPlex> ximp3 :] 
[07:25] <OptiPlex> mpg321 lol
[07:25] <Razor-X> clint-: I do :P
[07:25] <n0dl> i use vlc
[07:26] <n0dl> but vlc cant play wmv
[07:26] <OptiPlex> vlc is da b0mb
[07:26] <clint-> yeah. and I got a fluxbox.. :)
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> can someone please walk me through the installaiton of a streaming media player?
[07:26] <OptiPlex> ..in Aqua lol
[07:26] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: a convenient frontend to mpg123 and ogg123 called cplay
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> lol
[07:26] <n0dl> i think openbox is better
[07:26] <clint-> lmfao. you should try phlak. its nice :-)
[07:26] <OptiPlex> oh yes it can :] 
[07:26] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: it's really good, too
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> <--- noob
[07:26] <OptiPlex> vlc can play xmw on os x lol
[07:26] <rjordan> clint-: but flux isn't as cool as fvwm ;P
[07:26] <clint-> <--- super noob
[07:26] <OptiPlex> m
[07:26] <OptiPlex> o
[07:26] <OptiPlex> t
[07:26] <OptiPlex> i
[07:26] <OptiPlex> f
[07:26] <n0dl> but alas i cant use it yet because i couldnt do it on the base install
[07:26] <OptiPlex> :] 
[07:26] <tritium> OptiPlex: stop that
[07:26] <EddieDaMan> please?
[07:26] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:26] <intelikey> !enter
[07:26] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[07:26] <sambagirl> you can go to #lad and ask the audio gurus there for help and advice too.
[07:27] <clint-> n0dl,  guess what I am switching too.. so I won't be much a help
[07:27] <OptiPlex> :[
[07:27] <Razor-X> or you can wait for crimsun, our own resident audio guru :)
[07:27] <n0dl> clint-: are you swtiching to windows?
[07:27] <clint-> I am going compile my own kernels and all.. :-)
[07:27] <sambagirl> you can go to #lad and ask the audio gurus there for help and advice too.
[07:27] <rjordan> clint-: http://dev.gentoo.org/~taviso/screenshots/newtheme.png
[07:27] <Swedish_Chef> now i'm pissed. how do i reinstall all of gnome?
[07:27] <sunka> a ./configure script is telling me cpp is "failing sanity check"....although i had several versions of it downloaded from synaptic. can anyone help?
[07:27] <n0dl> whats a good media player that can play wmv and avi and rms and stuff like taht?
[07:27] <sambagirl> they are all gurus in #lad tho
[07:27] <clint-> rjordan, , if I was going go gentoo, I woudl just go straight PC BSD
[07:27] <clint-> no ty
[07:27] <patfm> anyone know what the "Virtual size" would refer to in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:27] <sambagirl> linux audio developers
[07:28] <OptiPlex> gentoo scares me
[07:28] <Razor-X> all... these... BSD lovers *groans(
[07:28] <n0dl> clint-: what are you swtiching to?
[07:28] <Razor-X> **groans**
[07:28] <clint-> i have no need for it
[07:28] <clint-> :-)
[07:28] <Knowerrors> Anybody know of a XB Extra Packages CD?
[07:28] <OptiPlex> well ubuntu reminds me of bsd
[07:28] <n0dl> Razor-X: i dont know much about BSD
[07:28] <marlun> Can I make a shell script which after a server-install makes a apt-get update, and after that installs all the specific packages I want? Will the shell wait for one "aptitude install" to get installed before it runs the next one?
[07:28] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I hate BSD with such a vehemence, I don't use ps aux :)
[07:28] <Knowerrors> Extra CD for breezy...?
[07:28] <OptiPlex> with all the 'we give you what you need, download the rest sir' attitude :] 
[07:28] <Lathiat> marlun: yes a shell script is executed in order
[07:29] <n0dl> is xmms good?
[07:29] <n0dl> or t3h suck?
[07:29] <slide> heh
[07:29] <tritium> n0dl: try it out for yourself
[07:29] <Razor-X> n0dl: try it out
[07:29] <OptiPlex> xmms is 'very' good, although i like the equalizer on beep media player better
[07:29] <OptiPlex> its a wider EQ
[07:29] <clint-> n0dl,  I already use windows , i manage it, and keep securing it. for people and go to Robert  Morris College for Computer Science. I only been into this open source for a year.. I will know hell alot more I study.. I don't limit myself and never will, into   rhinoceros 3d and maxon, and other things
[07:29] <marlun> Lathiat, great :) Now I just need to figure out what I can add to aptitude install so it doesn't ask for permission everytime it installs something.
[07:30] <Razor-X> n0dl: just like anything else on UNIX, xmms is easy to use to start a war
[07:30] <rjordan> clint-: I really liked rhino
[07:30] <OptiPlex> clint: 'secure' it? :[
[07:30] <clint-> i have so much books on crap, ,I just have to read
[07:30] <n0dl> Razor-X: whats that suppose to mean?
[07:30] <clint-> cool rjordan
[07:30] <Razor-X> we all have our tastes, but if anyone wants some common X utilitiy to work on the CLI, ask me, because I use the CLI a lot
[07:30] <clint-> whatever works for ya
[07:30] <n0dl> well does xmms allow the playing of avi wmvs and what not?
[07:30] <OptiPlex> i just dropped my network administration major, because my school teaches 90% M$
[07:30] <clint-> I have Autodesk 3ds max 7, and 8 as well and maya
[07:30] <Razor-X> n0dl: if you ask whether xmms is a good media player, you can probably start a very large argument very quickly
[07:30] <Lathiat> marlun: apt-get takes -y
[07:30] <Lathiat> marlun: and perhaps --force-yes
[07:30] <OptiPlex> they're getting kickbacks from M$ I swear.
[07:31] <Lathiat> marlun: and maybe -f
[07:31] <rjordan> clint-: have you looked into blender?
[07:31] <n0dl> Razor-X: i c but does it play avi and wmv and stuff like that?
[07:31] <clint-> nope
[07:31] <clint-> www.novedge.com
[07:31] <clint-> have you checked there :D
[07:31] <Razor-X> n0dl: I don't know about WMV, but I know it can play most AVI formats
[07:31] <OptiPlex> n0dl: try mplayer for video and xmms for audio
[07:31] <Razor-X> errr, WMA rather
[07:31] <OptiPlex> or xine for video and beep for audio, they own
[07:31] <Razor-X> XMMS is audio only
[07:31] <OptiPlex> or... vlc for all :] 
[07:31] <clint-> n0dl,
[07:31] <clint-> I am going back to me debian 3.1
[07:31] <marlun> Lathiat, yeah I found the -y, will take alook at the other ones, thanks
[07:31] <patfm> do i need a Monitor sectoin *and* a Screen section in xorg.conf? i've gotten conflicting advice
[07:31] <Razor-X> I use cplay audio and mplayer for video
[07:31] <n0dl> clint-: yeah?
[07:32] <Razor-X> *for audio
[07:32] <OptiPlex> clint: go to solaris if you want a reeeeal headache heh
[07:32] <tritium> patfm: yes, you do.  Why are you hand-editing your xorg.conf?
[07:32] <clint-> i am just going to copy some config files from ubuntu and put into debian 3.1 sarge
[07:32] <clint-> opti no thanks lol
[07:32] <OptiPlex> i hear solaris only supports 'certain' intel boards and like no amd boards heh
[07:32] <n0dl> well imma try slackware on the next box im running
[07:32] <clint-> but thanks anyways .. already thought about that months ago :-)
[07:32] <tritium> clint-: you keep mentioning that.  just go ahead and go if you're going to
[07:32] <n0dl> and i constantly carry around floppix and Damn Small linux on my usb pen everywhere
[07:33] <clint-> aww
[07:33] <clint-> :P
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, slax is kewl if you just wanna do multimedia stuffs
[07:33] <clint-> lol
[07:33] <clint-> multimedia stuffs :D
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, i used damnsmalllinux like 2 or 3 yrs ago
[07:33] <clint-> lmfao
[07:33] <OptiPlex> and it ownt
[07:33] <rjordan> patfm: yes, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nP7vkl39.html
[07:33] <n0dl> really? i thought slax was for people who like to mess around
[07:33] <patfm> tritium: trying to get a 15" vaio screen to work
[07:33] <clint-> Xandros.. dam sucka. just aint' that dam open for me :D
[07:33] <OptiPlex> heh, like 'footstuffs'
[07:33] <n0dl> its like the less complex version of gentoo (i wanna try that but i heard its not for the intermediate user)
[07:33] <smo> slack was darned useful when I wanted to put a system in a 30Mb footprint.  haven't touched it since tho
[07:33] <clint-> was me second other than Mandrake 10.0 official :-)
[07:34] <OptiPlex> heh if you want open, get red flag linux... full communism lol
[07:34] <OptiPlex> omfg MANDRAKE *hides*
[07:34] <n0dl> 30mb whoa thats crazy
[07:34] <clint-> lmfao
[07:34] <intelikey> smo agreed
[07:34] <n0dl> hello
[07:34] <n0dl> what the heck
[07:35] <n0dl> can someone hear me?
[07:35] <Swedish_Chef> dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, libgtk2.0-0 and stuff doesn't work. something broke gtk and font rendering while installing kubuntu-desktop
[07:35] <n0dl> did i get band?
[07:35] <Swedish_Chef> and now no gtk app works
[07:35] <tritium> no, n0dl
[07:35] <OptiPlex> nope
[07:35] <OptiPlex> i thought I did though
[07:35] <clint-> Mandrake , Xandros, Linspire, REd Hat, Fedora Core, Knoppix, PHLAK, PC BSD, Ubuntu/Kubuntu,
[07:35] <n0dl> tritium: im not banned?
[07:35] <tritium> of course not
[07:35] <intelikey> n0dl: hearing and listening to are not the same.
[07:35] <OptiPlex> clint: Ive used more OSes than you :] 
[07:35] <smo> Swedish_Chef, have you tried as another user?  that'll quickly narrow down whether it's your config or the system's
[07:35] <OptiPlex> :D
[07:35] <patfm> tritium: is there a way to configure xorg.conf automatically?
[07:36] <clint-> thats just the open source versions. ya want a medal?
[07:36] <tritium> patfm: yes, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:36] <clint-> :D
[07:36] <Swedish_Chef> smo: i take it i should add another user to try, then...
[07:36] <OptiPlex> heh, ive used an arseload of closed too *bootleg* i have too much freetime i guess
[07:36] <clint-> OptiPlex,  I like ya though.. you gave me some hope with ubuntu. if I can get this problem fixed. I won't bitch :-)
[07:36] <smo> or if you're using gdm, it sounds like just seeing fonts there would be encouraging
[07:36] <patfm> tritium: ah, didn't know about that, thanks
[07:36] <clint-> see, my Music CD's work like charm
[07:36] <n0dl> hmm
[07:37] <intelikey> patfm: add -phigh if you want that to guess at most stuff.
[07:37] <clint-> data cd's and mp3.. that the problem. I bet thats what the problem is.. not worth blowing up about
[07:37] <n0dl> does anyone know t3h site for Mplayer source?
[07:37] <clint-> n0dl,  want to work together with ubuntu m8
[07:37] <patfm> intelikey:  so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[07:37] <intelikey> yeah
[07:37] <smo> mplayerhq.hu I believe.  google if I got the TLD wrong
[07:37] <workingmansdead> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:37] <OptiPlex> rh, mdk, suse, dsl, ubuntu, slax, slack, osx, nbsd, fbsd, win30, win95, win98, win2k, winxp, win03, berry, deadlinux, os7, os9, plan9, heh
[07:37] <intelikey> or -plow  if you like to make all the choices.
[07:37] <n0dl> clint-: ubuntu m8? wazzat?
[07:37] <clint-> I'll help you with the multi media, and other things optimization, I just need to push myself for configuration and security
[07:38] <clint-> :-)
[07:38] <patfm> intelikey: thanks, will try it
[07:38] <Swedish_Chef> smo: okay, so it must be my configuration.
[07:38] <clint-> oh you feel like a winner huh
[07:38] <Swedish_Chef> do i just rename .gnome to .gnome-bak and reconfigure it?
[07:38] <OptiPlex> lol, i forgot dos menuetos and atari lol
[07:38] <n0dl> clint-: alright cool
[07:38] <OptiPlex> never :] 
[07:38] <n0dl> clint-: ill be glad to help
[07:39] <OptiPlex> im still a n00b though, i just like OSes
[07:39] <smo> Swedish_Chef, I'm not sure how you'd best go about isolating the problem .. but atleast you know reinstalling and dpkg-reconfig aren't going to do anything for you, so save time there
[07:39] <n0dl> if i can (ive dealt with so many problems in a month im surprised im a pretty experienced n00b :))
[07:39] <clint-> win 3.1 , win 95, win 95 b, win 98 , win 98se, win 98 me (bsedition) :-), win 2k sever, win 2k professional, windows nt, windows xp home/pro, etc. longhorn a bit, working on Windows Vista
[07:39] <clint-> OptiPlex,  I am like you
[07:39] <rjordan> OptiPlex: what about bob? (windows bob)
[07:39] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going worng?
[07:40] <n0dl> theres a windows bob?
[07:40] <n0dl> wth?
[07:40] <smo> or windows neptune .. who else came here for a history lesson  lol
[07:40] <rjordan> n0dl: yep
[07:40] <OptiPlex> heh, forgot about 03 web and 03 enterprise :] 
[07:40] <OptiPlex> OMFG Microsoft BOB!
[07:40] <intelikey> clint-: some of those are not os's.   they are platforms.
[07:40] <clint-> fd, nemesis. longhorn are just code names for versions that have came out.. nemesis was media editionand longhorn is windows vista
[07:40] <n0dl> wow i never realized how many windows things there were
[07:40] <dell500> does anyone here know how to get the ipod to factory settings on linux?
[07:40] <OptiPlex> we used to use some crap in highschool called SchoolVista that was IDENTICAL to MS Bob
[07:40] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> thank you, smo
[07:41] <clint-> they can still be considered and operating system because there software that communicates with hardware
[07:41] <OptiPlex> ms bob only sold 160,000 copies and got pulled lol pwn3d
[07:41] <smo> dell500, not unless you've made a backup.  if not, you really do need osx or windows for the ipod updater
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> it would've taken me another hour to think of messing with local settings
[07:41] <dell500> that sucks
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> i got rid of my gtk directories
[07:41] <n0dl> OptiPlex: lol
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> and now everythign works again
[07:41] <patfm> intelikey: hmm, i ran that command and picked what i believe is an appropriate mode, but i still just get a black screen on startx
[07:41] <dell500> so like all the files crammed in my ipod that are hidden somewhat can't be erased?
[07:41] <Swedish_Chef> my guess is that kde modified some gtk settings, and botched ita ll up
[07:41] <n0dl> aww man i forgot how to repair keys and put them back on my keyring
[07:41] <OptiPlex> that darn idiot instructor of mine said whistler was win2k, I argued with him for 6 months over that before he stfu about it
[07:42] <n0dl> what was it gpg keyserv...
[07:42] <n0dl> eh i dont remeber
[07:42] <clint-> and m8, I could careless about the olden days. those days are done and over with
[07:42] <dell500> cause i started with 55gb free, then it dwiddled down to 45ish, cause of files lost and not recorded , ya know?
[07:42] <slew> hi, whats the command that shows how much disk space is left?
[07:42] <clint-> lol OptiPlex
[07:42] <rjordan> lol, whistler.
[07:42] <n0dl> wasnt the command da
[07:42] <nightwing> Anyone here dealt with read-only access problem on removable usb devices (my case, a Sandisk mp3 player)?
[07:42] <n0dl> or something like that
[07:42] <smo> slew, df -h in a terminal .. nautilus should show it in the status bar iirc
[07:42] <n0dl> thats right
[07:42] <intelikey> patfm: try it with -plow and when it asks 'do you want x to access the screen in this way ?' (frame buffering)  change it and see if it helps.
[07:43] <smo> (df = disk free .. you'll find they stick in your head better when you know what they mean)
[07:43] <clint-> my instructors don't like me neither. at least 1 doesn't :-) he's foreign. oh well .. I expect that. at least I didnt' tell him get the fuk out of my country.. I not racist :-)
[07:43] <OptiPlex> i dropped his classes, 'network design' 'network security' and 'adv. networking' were all active directory classes, what an inept tool
[07:43] <slew> smo, it does, just trying to learn the commandline commands =] 
[07:43] <patfm> intelikey: great thanks, rebooting at the moment
[07:43] <OptiPlex> i can't READ microsoft. It isn't english i swear
[07:43] <n0dl> wow dont have professors yet
[07:43] <intelikey> THIS IS NOT  'MICRO-REBOOT' !
[07:43] <clint-> he thinks the command line, and working out of the gui is the best thing to do for linux and unix, and that if you use the gui, your system will break , and that microsoft is the best
[07:43] <smo> slew, that was actually the first question I had to resort to a maillist for :)
[07:43] <n0dl> (still in highschool)
[07:43] <slew> smo, hehe =] 
[07:43] <patfm> oops.
[07:44] <n0dl> lol
[07:44] <clint-> well he thinks inside a box and I am who I am
[07:44] <OptiPlex> it's 25% info, 50% propaganda, 25% advertising, and 100% confusion :[
[07:44] <clint-> lol
[07:44] <clint-> yep :)
[07:44] <slew> smo, thanks i dont feel AS retarded now =] 
[07:44] <n0dl> that like adds up to 200%
[07:44] <patfm> that's 200% what a bargain :)
[07:44] <nightwing> I keep getting readonly error messages on my mp3 player, and not sure how to fix it at this point (tried the instructions in the ubuntuguide to mount windows partitions)
[07:44] <OptiPlex> heh, my uncle told me 'linux doesn't have a GUI'
[07:44] <smokey> when i click on my trash icon, and choose open in new window, I get a window that says Malformed URL trash:/   whats going wrong?
[07:44] <OptiPlex> lol
[07:44] <OptiPlex> :] 
[07:44] <n0dl> nighwing: did you get the w32 codecs?
[07:44] <clint-> at least computers have improved alot. whats there to bitch about :-)
[07:44] <clint-> pardon my language
[07:45] <OptiPlex> Im gonna take the generic CS major now, so I'll be done with that moron's classes
[07:45] <clint-> I am soon going to be getting into Clustering.. etc.. Supercomputer like Menipulation :D
[07:45] <n0dl> some guy told me that linux was a gateway to communism and the devil
[07:45] <clint-> cool
[07:45] <OptiPlex> heh, I miss my 486
[07:45] <OptiPlex> it is
[07:45] <clint-> I go to www.robertmorris.edu/cs/
[07:45] <clint-> opti
[07:45] <highvoltage> OptiPlex: you are?
[07:45] <OptiPlex> however, the devil has nothing to do with it
[07:45] <OptiPlex> heh, yeah
[07:45] <clint-> get this
[07:45] <nightwing> nightwing: I have those...
[07:45] <patfm> when configuring xorg.conf, does "nv" refer to nvidia?
[07:45] <nightwing> Er, n0dl: I have those
[07:45] <OptiPlex> clint: gotta be better than our curriculum
[07:45] <smo> I find clustering an interesting concept.  everything I've worked with steps in the other direction .. putting multiple VM's in one box.  then the cluster guys go put one system across many boxes
[07:46] <clint-> this is what the open source is
[07:46] <OptiPlex> 'i' am the devil lol
[07:46] <smo> patfm, nv is the free nvidia driver, 'nvidia' is the closer-source one
[07:46] <n0dl> nightwing: did you get the gstreamer plugins?
[07:46] <n0dl> lol
[07:46] <marco> hey guys, i want to get realplayer and i'm still adjusting to ubuntu... any advice?
[07:46] <nightwing> those too...
[07:46] <n0dl> i dont really think linux is communist
[07:46] <clint-> " In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"   :-) go that from lynucs site
[07:46] <n0dl> nightwing: what are you using to play mp3s?
[07:46] <clint-> got*
[07:46] <OptiPlex> i have heard 'linux is communism, you will have no mind or GUI if you use linux, you will never have games or hardware support, you wont be able to use mp3s'
[07:46] <patfm> smo do you have a recommendation?
[07:46] <n0dl> clint-: thats clever
[07:46] <clint-> very :)
[07:47] <n0dl> hahaha lies
[07:47] <n0dl> clint-: did you hear this one quote by bonzodog
[07:47] <OptiPlex> wtf, i havea  GUI, games, hw support, and Im listening to my Rammstein record with my mp3 player and typing on my sisters doze box whilst downloading crap
[07:47] <clint-> the people that pu out the hardware for the software to work and run better. now they are the clever 1's aren't they
[07:47] <smo> patfm, best bet is to stick with nv unless you have a specific need for 3d acceleration & such.  it'll cause less headaches
[07:47] <nightwing> n0dl: My problem is my mp3 player (a Sandisk Sansa, supposed to work like a removable USB drive) wont' let me read or write any files to or from the mp3 player, despite it mounting (I'm in breezy)
[07:47] <OptiPlex> i still dont have a mind
[07:47] <n0dl> clint-: I heard if you play a windows cd backwards you hear the devil... Thats nothing... I heard if you play it forward itr installs windows!
[07:47] <clint-> lmfao
[07:47] <OptiPlex> :] 
[07:48] <clint-> if you play it at all.. it begins to decrease performance like a relationship :-)
[07:48] <OptiPlex> it said windows 98 or better so i uinstalled linux , my webserver instructor loves that one
[07:48] <n0dl> clint- lol
[07:48] <OptiPlex> his class is the only one i didnt drop
[07:48] <OptiPlex> even though he H8Z bsd, and thinks RH is d4 b0mb
[07:48] <clint-> its like when someone gets marrired.. all is good for about a couple weeks, then it begins to have problems. just like  a car / vehicle etc
[07:49] <clint-> thats life for ya.. nothing perfect.. that make it fun :D
[07:49] <n0dl> nightwing: hmmm... so it mounted... well did you try extracting the files?
[07:49] <OptiPlex> linux !=communism, linux=socialism and BSD=communism if you wanna get technical :] 
[07:49] <rjordan> OptiPlex: and they let him teach?
[07:49] <clint-> opti lol
[07:49] <marco> do i use apt-get to get realplayer... anyone?
[07:49] <OptiPlex> rjordan: at least he isnt a M$ sheep like the other guy
[07:50] <OptiPlex> the other guy told me NO ONE HACKS A LINUX BOX BECAUSE THEY DONT HOLD CC #S
[07:50] <smo> marco, if you have the multiverse repository, yes
[07:50] <n0dl> i wonder if my college profs will badger me about using linux
[07:50] <n0dl> hehe badger...
[07:50] <clint-> thing  is, I don't worry about what other people want me to do, I do what I feel is right and desire,, I have proven to myself so much because it is I , that chooses to make the decision wthether it is right or wrong. or if it benefits me or not
[07:50] <OptiPlex> and that PEOPLE ONLY RUN WEBSERVERS ON LINUX, he said that crap
[07:50] <marco> ok... thanks
[07:50] <OptiPlex> our student registration database is on a SUN, wtf n00bs teaching
[07:50] <clint-> yeah mine did too
[07:50] <nightwing> n0dl: I can't copy any mp3s from my hard drive to the player... which is the problem (I bought the mp3 player today)
[07:50] <rjordan> OptiPlex: riiight cause there are NO webserveers out there that process credit cards...
[07:50] <OptiPlex> lol n0dl: d4 badgerz
[07:51] <n0dl> OptiPlex: lol
[07:51] <clint-> I run multiple systems, I do what I want. its like people on mtv cribs have a few cars, and crap, I have what I have
[07:51] <OptiPlex> I was also told that MCSE peeps made d4 money, and that SUN  certification was useless
[07:51] <OptiPlex> however the RH guy scoffed when I told him about this crap
[07:51] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: thanks,,, looks like the 'expert mode worked
[07:51] <OptiPlex> he was like *shakes head*
[07:51] <OptiPlex> and didnt say jack irl
[07:52] <n0dl> nightwing: hmmm... akward... do you know if your mp3 player is linux compatible?
[07:52] <OptiPlex> iguana, did it install the GUI?
[07:52] <nightwing> n0dl: Yes, it should be (Sandisk)...
[07:52] <n0dl> i can see clint- on MTV
[07:52] <rjordan> lol, the sun folks should make d4 monies.
[07:52] <clint-> I have 2 nice systems.. 1 AMD Athlon XP 2600, 256 ddr ram, capable of 2 GB, 128 GeFORCE FX nvidia, 80 gB hdd seagate, $400, and not even max'd I didn't have the money for the amd 64 at the time. and x2 dual core processing wasn't even out at the time. neither do I care. I appreciate the things I have, and thank God I am not disabled
[07:52] <smo> nightwing: try mount -o remount,rw /media/whatever  and see if it changes anything.  if it does, you should beable to dig around udev.rules and make it a permenant change
[07:52] <nightwing> n0dl: It actually copied some files at first, but then stopped and just gave read-only errors
[07:52] <n0dl> And to my right you can see my beautifyul box
[07:53] <OptiPlex> my printer isnt supposed to be linux-compatible but it works...
[07:53] <IguanaNed> OPti: not sure yet... but It didn't go back to the login prompt after reboot
[07:53] <OptiPlex> heh
[07:53] <ree> what kind of filesystem rightwing?
[07:53] <n0dl> Its a nice dual boot system
[07:53] <OptiPlex> did it go to the 'ubuntu' login screen iguana?
[07:53] <patfm> how do i figure out what video mode my monitor supports?
[07:53] <clint-> doesn't ubuntu mean.. humanity to others?
[07:53] <nightwing> ree: vfat
[07:53] <OptiPlex> :] 
[07:53] <clint-> or thats just the site huh.. applies there eh
[07:53] <IguanaNed> OPti: came up with Ubuntu configuration screen
[07:53] <smo> nightwing: hmm, that's something completely different .. pmount's default has errors=read-only, or something to that effect.  if it mounts r/w, then switches to r/o, it's choking on the filesystem somewhere
[07:54] <OptiPlex> thats a good sign iguana :] 
[07:54] <nightwing> smo: I see...
[07:54] <clint-> i am on filetopia alot..
[07:54] <OptiPlex> i want an old RDI sparcbook
[07:54] <OptiPlex> .....real bad
[07:54] <nightwing> The player has two settings for USB compatibility (in the player itself): "MSC" and "Auto Detect" (which uses "MPT"(sp?))
[07:54] <clint-> got ubuntu all created :-)
[07:55] <clint-> gee. what a shame, I beat ubuntu to it.. :)
[07:55] <OptiPlex> i mean cmon, who carries something that will only run UNIX-related software to school these days?
[07:55] <OptiPlex> hm, ubuntu work on the laptop clint?
[07:55] <clint-> yep
[07:55] <clint-> hey OptiPlex
[07:55] <clint-> www.filetopia.com
[07:55] <OptiPlex> w00t :] 
[07:55] <clint-> www.filletopia.org
[07:55] <clint-> come see what I did :-)
[07:56] <OptiPlex> stupid mmorpg is pwning me
[07:56] <clint-> ah
[07:56] <OptiPlex> www.juice.box.sk :] 
[07:56] <clint-> phlak em :-)
[07:56] <OptiPlex> youll like that one
[07:56] <clint-> k
[07:56] <clint-> tyvm
[07:56] <clint-> i still need a little help with ubuntu
[07:56] <clint-> but I'm willing to hang in there
[07:56] <OptiPlex> i need a little help with bandwidth... heh
[07:57] <clint-> i can help you
[07:57] <smo> clint-, I still haven't caught what the problem was .. I've just seen you offering to leave for the past hour or so
[07:57] <clint-> I am going to school for Network Specialist
[07:57] <OptiPlex> heh I am too
[07:57] <OptiPlex> information systems / network admin
[07:57] <clint-> smo, you never answered my question
[07:57] <clint-> no big deal, I am going study
[07:58] <OptiPlex> i wonder if you can still run two dialup modems together to get 128k
[07:58] <nightwing> smo: Not sure what else to do at this point... guess if it doesn't work, will ultimately probably take the thing back to the store and file all this under "big Ubuntu fault" (and force dot go back to some portable CD player)
[07:58] <clint-> yeah you can double bandwidth
[07:58] <clint-> get into fiber optic lines
[07:58] <smo> nightwing, you said it gave two options .. did you try the other?
[07:58] <OptiPlex> heh, i dont remember how i did it but i made a single 56k modem to 128k at school.
[07:58] <IguanaNed> OptiPlex: do I need to run the "select and install packages"?
[07:58] <OptiPlex> everyone was screaming at me "HOW?!"
[07:58] <smo> OptiPlex, I believe they call that bonding .. should give you some google-fodder
[07:59] <rjordan> OptiPlex: we used to call that ISDN back when :)
[07:59] <OptiPlex> ooh, ty smo
[07:59] <clint-> it has to deal with it, because it is analog transmissions
[07:59] <n0dl> i used to call it AOL back then
[07:59] <OptiPlex> heh, ive never used ISDN lol
[07:59] <smo> I have a client on an isdn line, because they're out in the back-end of nowhere
[07:59] <clint-> I have 4 mb down, I have managed to hit 2 GB down however and 512 kbps up, half a mb pretty much
[07:59] <OptiPlex> smo: omfg you can get ISDN out in the sticks?
[08:00] <OptiPlex>    !!!
[08:00] <ubotu> well, ! is what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[08:00] <clint-> I am going to buy a gigabit nic though, and also replace the 1 in my laptop, if not .get a better 1
[08:00] <smo> it's very fustrating sitting on 3meg at home, then getting a site call on 128k
[08:00] <patfm>  what's the command to force quit X?
[08:00] <clint-> Ophiocus,
[08:00] <smo> OptiPlex, they're only a mile or two past the radius for dsl
[08:00] <clint-> OptiPlex,
[08:00] <OptiPlex> if ISDN is available where I live, I 'will' be getting that. cable/dsl arent avail here.
[08:00] <rjordan> smo: we had the local red-cross chapter on isdn. the first month we had no idea but the line was very noisy and it autodialed every time it dropped. it mad elike 600 phone calls that month
[08:01] <OptiPlex> hm, if so smo then I should be able to get it
[08:01] <OptiPlex> im like 1 mile outside of cable range here
[08:01] <OptiPlex> maybe less
[08:01] <clint-> I am studying with building wireless community networks, etc,, securing them as well. more like for local people to connect too, then use supernodes
[08:01] <OptiPlex> they stop cable at the state line
[08:01] <OptiPlex> supernodes? :] 
[08:01] <smo> cable's unrelated.  dsl and isdn both depend on your distance from the telephone exchange, as far as I know
[08:01] <clint-> drop as many lines in the house as you can
[08:01] <rjordan> OptiPlex: you should call your local cable commission and bitch about it.
[08:02] <marco> smo, i just downloaded realplayer, but the .bin file isn't executable... what can i do?
[08:02] <clint-> I am going have an OC soon
[08:02] <OptiPlex> irl, i should spam hatemail to time warner
[08:02] <nightwing> smo: AH, the other option's spelled "MTP"...same message ("you do not have permissions to copy to this folder")
[08:02] <OptiPlex> ...or protest outside their building
[08:02] <rob_p> patfm:  "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" should do it.
[08:02] <clint-> OC 768 is the highest level I can think of, being 40 GB max however I know they have faster,, Optical Carriers
[08:02] <OptiPlex> with all my hippie friends :] 
[08:02] <OptiPlex> I heard OC's cost like $1 mil / yr.
[08:02] <rjordan> OptiPlex: whereabouts are you approx?
[08:02] <OptiPlex> ..some of em
[08:02] <clint-> its very expensive
[08:02] <clint-> college is going pay for my OC Shared line
[08:03] <OptiPlex> about 500 yds. into SC
[08:03] <smo> marco, chmod +x filename.bin   ./filename.bin
[08:03] <marco> smo, thanks
[08:03] <OptiPlex> 'right' across the line people get cable, and Im stuck on 28.8
[08:03] <OptiPlex> wtf
[08:03] <smo> (if anyone knows a better option for realplayer, please step in .. last time I tried, the installer in universe hung up trying to find the .bin in /root)
[08:04] <smo> ehm, s/universe/multiverse/
[08:04] <OptiPlex> omfg 20MB left on this lame mmorpg patch
[08:04] <OptiPlex> im logging this is bothering me
[08:05] <OptiPlex> www.juice.box.sk :'] 
[08:05] <nightwing> smo: IIRC there was a file missing for getting realplayer to install for me; a search on Ubuntu Forums found the name of it for me, and after installing it, running the .bin for realplayer worked OK for me
[08:06] <nightwing> smo: I'm not sure what to try next to get this mp3 player to work...
[08:06] <Gecko> Hello. I am trying to install ubuntu on an external usb harddisk. I have tried it before on another distribution. The perpetual trouble is after the install, you need to create an initrd that preloads some usb modules. However, I have now booted the live cd, and chrooted to my new install, but I find no mkinitrd script. What do I do?
[08:06] <smo> nightwing, I had no problem with the bin, I just prefer to point people to maintained packages where I can
[08:07] <Gecko> Sorry, nevermind. Google helps :)
[08:07] <smo> Gecko, you found initrd-tools?
[08:08] <clint-> see ya all,, here go debian :-)
[08:08] <smo> it took me longer to dpkg -S than it did for you to google .. ouch
[08:08] <kelbizzle> anyone know a good alarm clock?
[08:08] <clint-> bye opti
[08:08] <smo> kelbizzle, find something that makes a lot of noise, then take a look at 'at' ?
[08:09] <Gecko> smo, no, I found out how to use mkinitramfs :)
[08:09] <kelbizzle> thanks but not the answer I'm looking for?
[08:09] <rjordan> clint-: why are you ditching ubuntu?
[08:10] <smo> kelbizzle .. not sure what else to tell you .. I find drinking lots of water and leaving the window open wakes me up at the crack of dawn :)
[08:13] <imoy> i
[08:13] <orborde_> Where are the contents of, say, the Applications menu in Gnome stored?
[08:15] <smo> orborde_, I believe it's the sum of the .desktop files under /usr/share/applications/  .. there may be more to it however, as most people stick to a menu editor to change it ('smeg' comes to mind)
[08:16] <orborde_> smo: Thanks.
[08:17] <Madpilot> smo & orborde_: in Breezy, right-click the Applications menu and select Edit Menu - then go nuts
[08:18] <unique311> anybody home?
[08:18] <smo> yup
[08:18] <th3flawl3ss1> anybody using a DLink DWL-122 wireless USB adapter with ubuntu?
[08:18] <smo> and thanks, Madpilot
[08:18] <unique311> i need some help with this cdrw.
[08:19] <orborde_> Xfce is an interesting beastie. Quite nice, I say.
[08:19] <unique311> tried almost everything i could find online to get it to work.
[08:19] <unique311> but its a no go
[08:19] <d03boy> I have ubuntu installed on one partition, then I reinstalled winxp on another partition and now I need grub to be put back in as the MBR so that I can dual boot. Can someone provide me with a guide to do this?
[08:20] <unique311> its a HP CdWriter+ 8000. i know it works cause it can boot up the windows boot disc, and the ubuntu disc, but i can't erase a cdrw with it..
[08:20] <n0dl> orborde_: i got xfce on a clean install ( i installed Xfce as my main GUI with out ever installing GNOME first)
[08:20] <orborde_> d03boy: Stick in an Ubuntu Live CD and boot with that. You can then use sudo chroot /wherver/the/filesystem/is, and then run...something....%$&$. I forgot the rest :( Sorry.
[08:21] <orborde_> n0dl: How'd you do that?
[08:21] <smo> grub-install /dev/device, iirc
[08:21] <smo> unique311, what have you tried so far?
[08:21] <n0dl> onborde_: well... ive only been using linux for a month and this is what i did
[08:21] <unique311> cdrecord command, k3b
[08:22] <unique311> everything i found online about cdrw for ubuntu
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde: When i booted the Ubuntu CD i chose the Server install command to install the base system
[08:22] <unique311> i just placed a music cd in the drive, and it mounts
[08:22] <unique311> correctly
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde_: This means that no GUI is installed; no GNOME; no KDE nothing
[08:22] <n0dl> onborde_: Consequently this means no X Server either
[08:23] <unique311> the only thing i can think of as being the issue is the disc i'm trying to erase as being the problem.
[08:23] <n0dl> onborde_: so at this point i ran this command
[08:24] <smo> unique311, do you have a clean disk to try with?
[08:24] <unique311> no
[08:24] <n0dl> onborde_: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[08:24] <unique311> all i have around are cdrw's
[08:24] <n0dl> that was to back up my sources.list when i activated the repos
[08:24] <unique311> they work, i can erase them on my notebook easy.
[08:24] <smo> what error did cdrecord give? it's usually fairly descriptive
[08:25] <unique311> cdrecord: CD/DVD-recorder not ready
[08:25] <unique311> thats the error
[08:25] <n0dl> onborde_: the rest of that command was && sudo wget http://paste.ubuntu.ml/d2325 -O /etc/apt.sources.list
[08:26] <n0dl> after i did taht i sudo apt-get install xbase-clients package
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install xserver-xorg package
[08:26] <orborde_> n0dl: Why not just apt-get install xfce4 ?
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install x-window-system-core
[08:26] <n0dl> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[08:26] <n0dl> then startx
[08:27] <n0dl> onborde_: If you just get the xfce with out installing the X server then X wont start meaning your GUI wont start up
[08:27] <andrew__> I'm probably headed to a dead end, but does anyone know if the ATI USB 2.0 TV tuner will work in Myth or any other TV recording app?
[08:27] <n0dl> onborde_: When you install server it doesnt install X server
[08:27] <n0dl> * I mean X window
[08:27] <orborde_> n0dl: Shouldn't it automatically grab X as a dependency when you grab xfce4 ... ?
[08:28] <n0dl> orborde_: Not that I am aware of
[08:28] <philc> I need to go from courier maildir to mbox, to use hula. is this an impossible task or what? Everytime I convert something to an mbox, the imap server picks the mbox file up as one huge email
[08:28] <n0dl> Orborde_: originally i tried to do a clean install with openbox
[08:28] <philc> how can I convert a file with dos line breaks to unix line breaks?
[08:29] <smo> n0dl, it may help to know in future, that you can install as a list .. "apt-get install x-window-system-core xubuntu-desktop" should do the same task
[08:29] <n0dl> Onborde_: but for some reason i couldnt get an xterm open so i didnt have much of a choice
[08:29] <n0dl> i c
[08:29] <n0dl> lol
[08:29] <orborde_> n0dl: Openbox?
[08:29] <unique311> cdrecord: CD/DVD-recorder not ready
[08:29] <n0dl> orborde_: yeah its originally a WDM (window manager) and was some deviation from black box
[08:30] <orborde_> n0dl: Oh, I see about the X server. You don't actually need an X server on the machine you run the apps on; you can just redirect the clients across the LAN. Linux is so awesome....
[08:30] <smo> philc that's a new one to me unique311 :/
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: usually as a WDM its used with GNOME or whatever
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: yes it is... Linux is great! ^_^
[08:30] <smo> bah .. two minds at once
[08:30] <d03boy> three minds at twice
[08:30] <n0dl> onborde_: When openbox is used alone (like how i used to do it) it ran faster than any GUI ever
[08:30] <unique311> i don't know why its not working, like i said, i just place a music cd in the cdrw drive and it mounted correctly
[08:30] <smo> philc, there used to be a dos2unix package hanging around .. I don't appear to see it on mine tho
[08:31] <rjordan> philc: you should google more often http://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+I+convert+a+file+with+dos+line+breaks+to+unix+line+breaks%3F&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:31] <n0dl> onborde_: faster than GNOME KDE XFCE and FLUXBOX
[08:31] <unique311> just not letting me erase cdrw disk
[08:31] <n0dl> who uses enlightenment anyway?
[08:31] <n0dl> weird to think people still use taht
[08:31] <rjordan> n0dl: you obviously haven't seen the new E
[08:32] <smo> I used enlightenment with gnome some moons ago.  strange to think people are still using gnome too
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Not to be dumb, but have you ever heard of autocomplete? :)
[08:32] <n0dl> smo: lol
[08:32] <aftertaf> lol smo :)
[08:32] <n0dl> onborde_: nope
[08:32] <rob_p> philc:  You can cat your file and pipe it through "sed 's/.$//'" and redirect the output to a new file.  That's probably the easiest way.
[08:32] <aftertaf> n0dl:  i use E17
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: What IRC client are you on?
[08:32] <unique311> smo: i have a cdrw drive and a dvd drive, it doesn't matter which is secondary master or slave?
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Telnet?
[08:32] <n0dl> orborde_: Xchat
[08:32] <orborde_> n0dl: Type orb and then press tab
[08:33] <n0dl> orborde_: cool
[08:33] <n0dl> i wonder... imma google enlightenment
[08:33] <d03boy> i wish I could find some linux drivers for my cheap ass webcam :(
[08:33] <aftertaf> !e17breezy
[08:33] <ubotu> it has been said that e17breezy is E17 on breezy: : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[08:33] <orborde_> n0dl: It makes everyone's lives easier. Now I don't have to pick your messages out of the mess when you misspell my name :)
[08:34] <smo> unique311, I don't believe so.  can't be sure however, they're the same unit in my machine
[08:34] <rjordan> n0dl: http://www.get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted/_images/pithlit-e17.png
[08:34] <orborde_> X is just...holy crap. Whoever came up with the idea of totally disembodying the graphical interface was a fscking genius.
[08:35] <n0dl> is enlightenment fast?
[08:35] <aftertaf> yep
[08:35] <aftertaf> very
[08:35] <n0dl> faster than xfce?
[08:35] <aftertaf> yep, by lots
[08:35] <Aegir> aftertaf: Stable though?
[08:35] <aftertaf> on my p3 500 anyway
[08:35] <n0dl> hmmm
[08:35] <aftertaf> Aegir:  yep.
[08:35] <rjordan> nope...
[08:36] <orborde_> For example, I'm logged in with GNOME on my machine physically. However, I'm currently sitting in a computer lab with a fullscreen X+ssh session through Cygwin logged in with Xfce over the LAN.
[08:36] <orborde_> IT'S SO AWESOME.
[08:36] <n0dl> thats what i thought
[08:36] <smo> orborde_, it's not really that long ago that most terminals were just 'thin clients' too.  seems to me X just kept the same concept
[08:36] <Aegir> aftertaf: Intrigueing
[08:36] <orborde_> *ahem* yes....
[08:36] <rjordan> e is sooo unstable
[08:36] <n0dl> thats what i thought
[08:36] <n0dl> i read a lot about E
[08:36] <aftertaf> rjordan:  need to keep uptodate on the cvs
[08:36] <EddieDaMan> are there any downloads that i really should install for ubuntu
[08:36] <n0dl> i heard it was mega unstable
[08:36] <EddieDaMan> like standards
[08:36] <orborde_> smo: Thin clients are so not a new concept./
[08:36] <aftertaf> its stable here at least...
[08:36] <OptiPlex> eddie: gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:37] <orborde_> EddieDaMan: w32codecs
[08:37] <andyluo> xine
[08:37] <OptiPlex> sun ray = thin client
[08:37] <n0dl> it looks like a more aesthetically pleasing fluxbox/openbox
[08:37] <n0dl> theres no panels
[08:37] <Terminus> n0dl, E16 is ok enough but i ditched it in favor of openbox. still not really as smooth as it can be. :)
[08:37] <aftertaf> EddieDaMan:  there you go ;)      enable universe & multiverse first.
[08:37] <smo> orborde_, a guy I work for insists on having every computer in the rack .. including the desktops, and having the displays wired up allover the office to them.  because that's how he was taught computers should look
[08:37] <orborde_> Why is it that in the computing world, all these so-called new ideas have literally been around for 20+ years?
[08:37] <rjordan> OptiPlex: and the more common NCP and WYSE
[08:37] <n0dl> Terminus: I bet! arrgh im trying to find a way to clean install Openbox from base system
[08:37] <philc> thanks rob_p
[08:37] <Aegir> OptiPlex: Not particularly *thin* though. Bigger than the old iMacs and ugly as sin. Atleast the ones at the library nearby from my school
[08:37] <EddieDaMan> thanks
[08:37] <orborde_> smo: That is so awesome. How old is this fellow?
[08:38] <aftertaf> orborde_:  cos of m$'s legacy of nasty computing
[08:38] <n0dl> Terminus: I am so close to figuring it out
[08:38] <rob_p> philc:  np :-)
[08:38] <OptiPlex> yeah, i wonder if sun rays are as sllllloooow as wyse
[08:38] <drcode> hi all
[08:38] <drcode> whats up
[08:38] <orborde_> aftertaf: That
[08:38] <n0dl> Terminus: Do you  want me to tell you how i did if it i figure it out?
[08:38] <smo> orborde_, I want to say 70s atleast.  he's recovering from a stroke, so it's hard to tell from features alone
[08:38] <orborde_> aftertaf: That's arguable.
[08:38] <Terminus> n0dl, doesn't openbox have a package already? :)
[08:38] <OptiPlex> heh my old imac is da bomb
[08:38] <orborde_> smo: That is amazing. Bow down and worship that guy.
[08:38] <aftertaf> orborde_:  a lot of 'newx' has been around in unix circles for years.... its just new to us as we discover it
[08:38] <Zukero> n0dl : enlightenment is quite stable
[08:38] <Terminus> n0dl, nah... i'm fine with the default gnome. i only use openbox in cases where the box can't really handle DEs.
[08:38] <Zukero> O use it as adaily basis
[08:39] <n0dl> Terminus: i c
[08:39] <Zukero> -O+I
[08:39] <orborde_> smo: Even moreso if he worked on, say, the Colossi or whatnot.
[08:39] <aftertaf>  Zukero me 2 ;)
[08:39] <n0dl> Zukero: it is?
[08:39] <Zukero> yeah
[08:39] <orborde_> aftertaf: Indeed.
[08:39] <n0dl> i dunno
[08:39] <Zukero> and there are two versions
[08:39] <[Jonne] > yeah, i'm in enlightenment too
[08:39] <smo> orborde_, he's an accountant .. it's just a tool to him
[08:39] <[Jonne] > and i'm a n00b
[08:39] <Zukero> e16 : that is stable
[08:39] <aftertaf> [Jonne] :  hehe yeah !!!
[08:39] <n0dl> the official website is down
[08:39] <Zukero> e17 : unrealeased officially, but yet quite stable
[08:39] <OptiPlex> im waiting on a linux-clone from MS that is buggier than doze
[08:39] <aftertaf> Zukero:  16 is stable, yeah
[08:39] <EddieDaMan> where do i find w32codecs?
[08:39] <aftertaf> OptiPlex:  wine?
[08:40] <aftertaf> EddieDaMan:  universe/multiverse
[08:40] <Zukero> n0dl : go to www.get-e.org
[08:40] <OptiPlex> then all the n00bs will say 'IM ON UNIX' heh
[08:40] <aftertaf> !tell EddieDaMan about restricted
[08:40] <cmug> Will Ubuntu be getting Oracle certifications sometime soon?
[08:40] <Terminus> Zukero, i had issues in E16 where it couldn't handle really long menus.
[08:40] <[Jonne] > this is unix, I know this!
[08:40] <cmug> Since U now has the IBM cert
[08:40] <Beleys> Poy
[08:40] <OptiPlex> running the win32 abiword in linux is funny because you dont NEED to heh
[08:40] <Zukero> Terminus : it could, you just need to setup menus behaviour
[08:41] <OptiPlex> wow I can run TWO versions of the same program, all d4 coeds love me heh
[08:41] <Zukero> i had some menus like 2.5 desktops long
[08:41] <Terminus> Zukero, i was too lazy to figure it out. i like openbox more now. might be because the first WM i used was blackbox. :)
[08:41] <Zukero> but i'm now running e17
[08:41] <Zukero> yeah
[08:41] <orborde_> smo: Aw.....
[08:41] <OptiPlex> i used to use kde 1.something back in the day
[08:42] <Zukero> light desktop
[08:42] <Zukero> i like it eye catchy :)
[08:42] <OptiPlex> maybe it was 2.something i dunno it was 4 yrs ago, and it sucked
[08:42] <aftertaf>  /ontopic...    anyone got any issues with ubuntu?
[08:42] <Terminus> OptiPlex, i still hate kde. :)
[08:42] <[Jonne] > zukero, is there an easy (GUI) way to change icons in e17? I'd prefer to have the firefox icon for my browser, instead of a generic globe
[08:43] <Zukero> yeah
[08:43] <Zukero> e-util-eapp-edit
[08:43] <aftertaf> [Jonne] :  e_app ^
[08:43] <Zukero> --+_
[08:43] <OptiPlex> kde 3.3 is kewl
[08:43] <Terminus> aftertaf, well, it crashes during playing audio here. i'm assuming it's a hardware problem. could be dirver though.
[08:43] <Zukero> but not quite stable though
[08:43] <OptiPlex> true
[08:43] <drcode> how can I update evolion to the ver in there web site?
[08:43] <Zukero> depends if you're using cvs or breezy repo version
[08:43] <aftertaf> Terminus:  with any media player? and different output engines?
[08:43] <n0dl> hmmm looks interesting
[08:43] <n0dl> but i dont know
[08:44] <aftertaf> n0dl:  costs nothing to try, no borkage of your system will happen
[08:44] <Zukero> cvs is mre stable, but can be a pain to install on ubuntu
[08:44] <n0dl> aftertaf: how would i do this from a clean install?
[08:44] <OptiPlex> i wish i had the bandwidth to install beep
[08:44] <aftertaf> Zukero:  cvs autoupdate script ;)
[08:44] <Terminus> aftertaf, haven't really tried to figure it out yet. i just reboot. i only use rhythmbox with the gstreamer backend. maybe it won't crash with xmms. i really don't know.
[08:44] <Zukero> there is an unofficial repo for e17 for breezy
[08:44] <OptiPlex> rhythmbox bothers me
[08:44] <aftertaf> OptiPlex:  me 2
[08:44] <OptiPlex> reboot=ow!
[08:45] <aftertaf> Terminus:  try beep-m-p
[08:45] <OptiPlex> i gotta have an EQ :] 
[08:45] <n0dl> Zukero: whats the package called?
[08:45] <Terminus> aftertaf, gotcha. that doesn't have any kde deps, does it? i hate kde deps. hehe
[08:45] <aftertaf> Terminus:  hehe nope.
[08:45] <Zukero> n0dl : see http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
[08:45] <aftertaf> !e17breezy
[08:45] <ubotu> e17breezy is, like, totally, E17 on breezy: : http://www.soulmachine.net/wiki/index.php?title=Enlightenment_on_Ubuntu_5.10_%28Breezy_Badger%29
[08:45] <th3flawl3ss1> can anyone explain this to me? im a linux noob
[08:46] <th3flawl3ss1>  linux-wlan-ng and manual configuration
[08:46] <[Jonne] > zukero, could you repeat that command? it doesn't seem to work
[08:46] <Zukero> e17_util_eapp_edit
[08:46] <Zukero> just type e17_u then press tab
[08:46] <Terminus> aftertaf, i googled for it too. seems some people have the same problem. couldn't get anything out of the logs though, maybe because i don't really know where to look.
[08:47] <Zukero> [Jonne]  : or read user guide on www.get-e.org
[08:47] <OptiPlex> dialup is d4 dev1l
[08:48] <n0dl> no official/restricted repo?
[08:48] <orborde_> Where are the application icons stored?
[08:48] <Madpilot> n0dl: do you mean Multiverse?
[08:49] <n0dl> Madpilot: yeah
[08:49] <Madpilot> !repos
[08:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[08:49] <Terminus> orborde_, for the menus? i think it's /usr/share/applications
[08:50] <Zukero> n0dl : not before official release
[08:50] <Terminus> orborde_, oh... icons. i thought entries. hehe
[08:50] <orborde_> Terminus: Those are the .desktop files, not the icons themselves :)
[08:50] <Zukero> n0dl : if you want official, use e16
[08:50] <Terminus> orborde_, /usr/share/pixmaps i think. :)
[08:50] <n0dl> Zukero: yeah i wanna use e16 because im sure thats a little more stable
[08:51] <Zukero> n0dl : don't be sos sure
[08:51] <Zukero> e16 also segfaults sometimes
[08:51] <orborde_> Terminus: Thanks
[08:51] <Terminus> orborde_, np. :)
[08:51] <n0dl> i c
[08:51] <Zukero> and e17 can be lighter if performance is what you're looking for
[08:51] <anatole_> how do i open .bin files? the app itself is java-based
[08:52] <OptiPlex> opinions: breezy on ppc
[08:52] <aftertaf> n0dl:  or get the elive cd and test it w/o installingif you want
[08:52] <n0dl> mebe
[08:52] <aftertaf> anatole_:  you run it.
[08:52] <Terminus> anatole_, sh foo.bin or chmod +x foo.bin; ./foo.bin to run them.
[08:52] <orborde_> Terminus: Dagnabbit. /usr/share/pixmaps doesn't exit.
[08:52] <anatole_> thanks
[08:52] <orborde_> Terminus: Nor does it even exist.
[08:52] <aftertaf> orborde_:  usr/share/icons ?
[08:52] <Terminus> orborde_, it doesn't? it exists here.
[08:54] <orborde_> aftertaf: Thanks
[08:54] <orborde_> Terminus: You must have a Mutant Installation
[08:54] <orborde_> Does Xfce support taskbar notifications like GNOME does?
[08:54] <Terminus> orborde_, errr... this is a default breezy install.
[08:54] <orborde_> Terminus: I really have no idea. I'm very confused.
[08:54] <aftertaf> lol mutant
[08:55] <Terminus> orborde_, well, aftertaf's path seems to be better. it has the icons in multiple sizes. :)
[08:55] <aftertaf> could be a n app that installed it.
[08:55] <Terminus> well, pretty basic here. haven't really added a lot of apps on the default.
[08:55] <philc> is there a way to view the line break characters in a text file?
[08:57] <smo> philc, a hex editor?  curious why you'd want to do that tho
[08:57] <philc> smo: want to check how a file has been saved
[08:57] <Terminus> philc, i think there's an option for that in vim. can't really tell you what it is offhand though.
[08:57] <smo> try 'file' .. it should tell you
[08:58] <n0dl> i didnt know you could view websites in command line
[08:58] <n0dl> craziness
[08:59] <OptiPlex> n0dl: links and lynx are great for that :] 
[08:59] <orborde_> n0dl: w00t for lynx :)
[08:59] <n0dl> lynx? links?
[08:59] <n0dl> i thought i just had to type "g" then the url
[09:01] <n0dl> is that right?
[09:01] <smo> philc, 'file filename' appears to return 'ASCII text' on a file with unix newlines, and 'ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators' for windows-style
[09:01] <Razor-X> n0dl: that should be in lynx
[09:01] <Razor-X> links and lynx are two different text browser
[09:01] <n0dl> i c
[09:01] <Razor-X> links and its successor links2 are more modern than lynx
[09:01] <drcode> hi all
[09:01] <n0dl> Razor-X: how do i activate them?
[09:01] <OptiPlex> links ownz
[09:01] <n0dl> type lynx?
[09:02] <drcode> any one know about cbq
[09:02] <Razor-X> still, lynx has a very nice followingb ehind it still
[09:02] <n0dl> or type links
[09:02] <philc> smo: cool, thanks
[09:02] <drcode> is it working in ubuntu
[09:02] <n0dl> ?
[09:02] <Razor-X> (I use lynx, personally, only because I never knew about the existance of links when I started text browsing :)
[09:02] <Razor-X> n0dl: yeah, open up a terminal of any sort and type in either ``lynx'' or ``links''
[09:02] <intelikey> w3m
[09:02] <Razor-X> yes, there's another popular text browser
[09:02] <smo> I use links because threaded downloads are difficult to give up :)
[09:02] <orborde_> n0dl: They are two different things
[09:02] <Razor-X> (although it's w3, not w3m)
[09:02] <OptiPlex> i think lynx is older than links
[09:02] <orborde_> n0dl: lynx is more stipped-down
[09:03] <Razor-X> w3m happens to be the emacs-interfacable distillation
[09:03] <intelikey> elinks
[09:03] <Razor-X> intelikey: there's an elinks?
[09:03] <intelikey> yes
[09:03] <Razor-X> intelikey: wow, that I'm going to get
[09:03] <[Jonne] > zukero, the icon won't change, when i use the eapp editor
[09:03] <[Jonne] > i click set icon, but when i save, it's still the old icon
[09:03] <orborde_> OptiPlex: emacs is indeed a terrifying beast
[09:04] <Razor-X> if you really want to duke it out in the world of the terminal, I can help you out with doing most common tasks in the terminal
[09:04] <smo> there's an incarnation of links that'll use the framebugger for images too.  I think it's a build option in elinks .. but I'm probably wrong
[09:04] <n0dl> so how would i run links or lynx?
[09:04] <Razor-X> I do almost all of my (high school AP or Honors level) homework in the terminal :)
[09:04] <[Jonne] > is there anything i'm overlooking?
[09:04] <smo> n0dl, same as anything else.  install package, type command
[09:04] <OptiPlex> n0dl: just go to a terminal and type 'links' :] 
[09:04] <intelikey> i believe w3m is standard on ub by the way.
[09:04] <Razor-X> smo: twibright, if i'm not mistaken
[09:04] <n0dl> Razor-X: i want to rock terminal
[09:04] <OptiPlex> heh, i wrote a tutorial on terminals 'in' a terminal
[09:04] <Razor-X> n0dl: open up any terminal, and type in ``links'' or ``lynx''
[09:04] <Razor-X> like I said
[09:04] <OptiPlex> ee>vi
[09:04] <OptiPlex> :] 
[09:05] <n0dl> alright
[09:05] <Razor-X> :)
[09:05] <Razor-X> vi's ok, I guess
[09:05] <n0dl> neither of them i s found
[09:05] <Razor-X> I mean, I can't stand the vi movement keys for the life of me (they're so spread out), but meh
[09:05] <n0dl> do i have to apt-install it?
[09:05] <OptiPlex> the great thing about ubuntu is that there's 'aee' for it, which is identical to 'ee' in freebsd
[09:05] <Razor-X> n0dl: I would think at least lynx is installed, hmmm :(
[09:05] <Razor-X> try a ``dpkg -l | grep lynx''
[09:06] <OptiPlex> the only ones I use are :save shift+i, esc, and :quit
[09:06] <OptiPlex> heh
[09:06] <Razor-X> OptiPlex: I know :qw
[09:06] <smo> I love vim, but I keep finding spare 'i' characters making a mess of my code
[09:06] <n0dl> Razor-X,  i installed base system
[09:06] <OptiPlex> then again that's viM, and not vi hence my hate for vi.
[09:06] <Razor-X> what I meant by movement was ``hjkl''
[09:06] <Razor-X> ok, my bad, viM
[09:06] <intelikey> n0dl w3m should be installed.
[09:06] <Razor-X> since I was assuming we all use viM
[09:06] <rjordan> vi's regex-replace is easier then emacs IMHO
[09:06] <Razor-X> and that we aren't using TECO Emacs, but GNU Emacs
[09:07] <Razor-X> emacs has crap regexp support, I agree there
[09:07] <OptiPlex> lol razor. vi reminds me of playing 2d wolfenstein on apple II and walking with the keyboard
[09:07] <Razor-X> but with awesome macros, who cares?
[09:07] <n0dl> intelikey,  w3m?
[09:07] <intelikey> yes
[09:07] <n0dl> whats that?
[09:07] <orborde_> ah, shit. overwrote a file. Hope THAT wasn't important :(
[09:07] <rjordan> Razor-X: indeed, ssh+screen+emacs = pwnage
[09:07] <intelikey> w3 = www m    cli webbrowser
[09:08] <orborde_> Fortunately, it was named "test.txt", so I doubt it was.
[09:08] <OptiPlex> nano/pico seem pretty easy to use too. they're not 'ee' but hey, they work :D
[09:08] <intelikey> m= minimal i think ?
[09:08] <orborde_> How do I get volume control into Xfce ?
[09:09] <orborde_> Does Xfce have applets...?
[09:09] <OptiPlex> rexima :] 
[09:09] <intelikey> orborde_ i always used aumix for that.
[09:09] <orborde_> intelikey: aumix ?
[09:09] <intelikey> yep
[09:10] <orborde_> intelikey: That's command line, is it not?
[09:10] <orborde_> intelikey: You're suggesting that I put in some launchers for volume up/down, perhaps?
[09:10] <intelikey> like alsamixer  (which is installed by default)
[09:10] <intelikey> try alsamixer
[09:11] <intelikey> for volume control
[09:11] <n0dl> OptiPlex,  how would i open links within the site?
[09:12] <orborde_> n0dl: links? Select them using up/down, and press right arrow
[09:12] <n0dl> im using lynx
[09:12] <orborde_> n0dl: Same thing
[09:12] <intelikey> n0dl also [etc]  is your friend in 'links'
[09:13] <rjordan> lynx however does not have a graphical mode like links -g
[09:13] <rjordan> it's all about framebuffer surfing
[09:13] <orborde_> intelikey: Is there a nice GUI alsamixer somewhere?
[09:14] <intelikey> maybe.   but that is why i sujested aumix.   :)
[09:15] <intelikey> orborde_ 'sudo apt-get install aumix '     if you don't like it you can remove it.     it works in cli or gui
[09:15] <intelikey> or should i say has a gui also...
[09:16] <rjordan> orborde_: there is alsamixergui :)
[09:16] <intelikey> i think i saw... yeah that ^
[09:16] <intelikey> beet me to it rjordan :)
[09:16] <rjordan> lol
[09:16] <rjordan> why does idle have to be soo ugly?
[09:17] <intelikey> it's in the code.
[09:17] <intelikey> ?
[09:17] <OptiPlex> #box irl
[09:18] <rjordan> indeed it is :(
[09:19] <Elektrochelovek> !boost
[09:19] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Are you on ritalin?
[09:19] <n0dl> lol
[09:19] <treitter> is it too late to suggest a name for 6.10?
[09:19] <treitter> How about Easy Elephant?
[09:19] <n0dl> yeah it is
[09:19] <n0dl> its dapper drake
[09:20] <n0dl> sorry treitter
[09:20] <treitter> n0dl: that's 6.04
[09:20] <Elektrochelovek> !libboost
[09:20] <n0dl> oh i c
[09:20] <ubotu> No idea, Elektrochelovek
[09:20] <n0dl> !poop
[09:20] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, n0dl
[09:20] <n0dl> !java
[09:20] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:20] <n0dl> !javadebs
[09:20] <ubotu> hmm... javadebs is at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[09:20] <n0dl> i c
[09:21] <n0dl> mmm listening to groove salad
[09:22] <OptiPlex> !ppc
[09:22] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is PowerPC. Macs, IBMs. Nicer then Intel.
[09:22] <OptiPlex> heh
[09:23] <intelikey> rjordan perhaps the writer/s were going for the 'it's so ugly it's pretty' look  ?
[09:24] <Elektrochelovek> !boostdebs
[09:24] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:25] <Elektrochelovek> !boostlib
[09:25] <ubotu> Elektrochelovek: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:25] <OptiPlex> !ubuntuppc
[09:25] <ubotu> OptiPlex: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[09:25] <OptiPlex> :[
[09:25] <OptiPlex> !ubuntu-ppc
[09:25] <ubotu> OptiPlex: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:25] <SepheroRick> bhgaasdasdasd
[09:25] <OptiPlex> wtf
[09:25] <Elektrochelovek> where to get boost libraries for ubuntu?
[09:25] <csirkefog> re
[09:28] <Terminus> hello. is there any package available to make beep media player minimize to the notifier like rhythmbox?
[09:29] <hjra> hi to all
[09:30] <OptiPlex> you folks be k3wl, im out
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are default settings stored in ubuntu when a new user starts up?  how does the desktop get that icky brown color?  i want to change that from the root, not by "hacking" it in skel.
[09:31] <hjra> I need to listen on port 1001 for ascii records, and put the records into a mysql db, you know what can I do it?
[09:31] <Gecko> Hey there. I am using ndiswrapper with ubuntu, and everything is fine, but I cannot figure how to set it up to start at boot. I have followed the howto on the wiki, but that doesn't work, because, when I set up the key, I need to add it as iwconfig wlan0 key open <key>. That, I cannot entirely figure out how to specify in the /etc/network/interfaces. Can anyone help?
[09:31] <wezzer> oh shit
[09:32] <krow> wow, i'm back.. i was on ubuntu for a while, switched back to windows.. and now i remember why i hate windows.. i'm back to linux
[09:32] <holy_cow> krow, just out of curiosity, why switch back to win, why switch back to ubuntu?
[09:32] <holy_cow> not flaming, just curious about peoples decisions
[09:33] <krow> switched back to windows to use adobe photoshop, pagemill, and other programs made for windows.. but the security issues just arent worth it.. i'd rather, MUCH rather, be on ubuntu
[09:34] <holy_cow> cool
[09:34] <holy_cow> i use gimp instead of ps, and scribus instead of pagemill
[09:34] <intelikey> holy_cow i thought he was real clear on why.   he forgot why he hated windows,  then remembered...  :)_
[09:34] <krow> lol
[09:34] <holy_cow> heh
[09:35] <drcode> hi all
[09:35] <krow> it's been a while.. i forgot a lot of important stuff about ubuntu, so i appologize ahead for all the questions i might be asking
[09:35] <intelikey> it only took me one refresher course,  :)
[09:35] <drcode> I want to upgrade evoltuin
[09:35] <drcode> evolution
[09:35] <drcode> it want to install xserver and more ?
[09:35] <holy_cow> drcode, say what?
[09:35] <aftertaf> drcode:  what version of ubunt are you on right now?
[09:35] <krow> oh yea, speaking of upgrade.. is breezy badger worth downloading? i still have 5.04
[09:36] <aftertaf> krow:  yeah, more thatn ;)
[09:36] <drcode> breezy
[09:36] <drcode> I did update and so
[09:36] <intelikey> drcode 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop '   ?
[09:36] <holy_cow> krow, be aware that breezy has a few bugs
[09:36] <holy_cow> 1. sometimes automount doesn't work
[09:36] <aftertaf> drcode:  did you do that too?? ^
[09:36] <drcode> I Use xfce
[09:36] <drcode> no
[09:36] <drcode> I Need also for upgrade?
[09:36] <intelikey> drcode 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop '   ?
[09:36] <holy_cow> 2.  this appears related to automount, but usb ports sometimes are simply not seen by the kernel
[09:36] <aftertaf> itll make sure all it well in X land for you.
[09:37] <holy_cow> i would recommend staying on 5.04 until either this is resolved or badger is out (and the issue has been fixed)
[09:37] <holy_cow> oh also 3. sometimes the floppy drivers in not autoloaded and you need to add it to /etc/modules
[09:37] <drcode> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[09:37] <drcode> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[09:37] <drcode> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[09:37] <drcode> or been moved out of Incoming.
[09:37] <holy_cow> basically breezy is not a solid release
[09:38] <aftertaf> drcode:  enable universe & multiverse
[09:38] <aftertaf> !repos
[09:38] <krow> holy_cow, is it possible to just upgrade, or do i have to install 5.10 like installing a new OS?
[09:38] <ubotu> I heard repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[09:38] <drcode> art iin sources.list?
[09:38] <krow> holy_cow, i should be able to overcome those bugs
[09:38] <aftertaf> krow:  all you do is change your apt sources and update/upgrade;
[09:38] <holy_cow> krow, yep you can upgarde, no need to reinstall
[09:38] <holy_cow> krow, you won't they are unresolved as of today, even by ubuntu devs
[09:38] <aftertaf> krow:  with a install x|k|ubuntu-desktop in the middle
[09:38] <krow> sweet
[09:38] <intelikey> "breezy badger" is not a solid release ?
[09:39] <holy_cow> krow, as well they are intermittent, i have 6 machines with no problem, 6 with all those problems, no idea why
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse restri$
[09:39] <drcode> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted
[09:39] <drcode> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[09:39] <drcode> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe
[09:39] <aftertaf> holy_cow:  yeah i understand... but all linux can be like that too.
[09:39] <aftertaf> drcode:  pastebin, dont paste here
[09:39] <aftertaf> !tell drcode about past
[09:39] <aftertaf> !tell drcode about pastebin
[09:39] <krow> lol
[09:39] <holy_cow> sure and windows too
[09:40] <krow> thanks drcode.. you could have pmed that to me
[09:40] <PokerFacePenguin> pastebin rocks
[09:40] <PokerFacePenguin> i love that pastebin script
[09:41] <drcode> sorry
[09:41] <drcode> any idea?
[09:42] <drcode> k
[09:42] <drcode> I Will try apt-get install evolution
[09:42] <drcode> what do U think >
[09:44] <krow> where can i find information on changing my repository to breezy repos?
[09:45] <Hoxzer> !tell krow repos
[09:45] <intelikey> !repos
[09:45] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[09:45] <krow> thanks
[09:45] <morphix> hi ppls.
[09:46] <morphix> how do i update my 5.04 to 5.10 without messing it up
[09:46] <intelikey> !upgrade to breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> Wish i knew, intelikey
[09:46] <intelikey> !up grade to breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> intelikey: I don't know
[09:46] <aftertaf> !breezy
[09:46] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:48] <RadSurfer> I have a few silly questions... wishing to try Ubuntu in decemeber...
[09:48] <RadSurfer> december... anyways, can a single 700mb CD contain all I need for installation?
[09:48] <RadSurfer> at least to get up and running?
[09:48] <Terminus> RadSurfer, yes.
[09:48] <RadSurfer> that sounds great.
[09:48] <RadSurfer> I now have FC-2
[09:49] <Terminus> RadSurfer, default install gives you office and media apps.
[09:49] <RadSurfer> and want to try something different.
[09:49] <Tidus> RadSurfer: that one cd will have all you need for office, media, internet, a few games, and such
[09:49] <Terminus> plus a few more stuff. basically productivity stuff.
[09:49] <RadSurfer> I see.
[09:49] <Tidus> the rest can be installed from the net (just enable universe)
[09:49] <RadSurfer> I thought it was scaled down compared to some distros
[09:50] <intelikey> RadSurfer wrong.  it's bloated
[09:50] <RadSurfer> Does Ubuntu come with Python and Perl ?
[09:50] <Terminus> RadSurfer, yep.
[09:50] <Tidus> RadSurfer: the base install is a bit scaled down, but the rest can be installed as you need it
[09:50] <RadSurfer> Excellent. ok.
[09:50] <Terminus> RadSurfer, i'm getting to like it real well as a workstation myself. :)
[09:50] <Juhaz> it's "scaled down" in sense that base install doesn't have five different desktop environments for example
[09:51] <dell500> 5?
[09:51] <Terminus> gcc isn't installed by default though.
[09:51] <RadSurfer> What one reason should I go with Ubuntu instead of say, mandiva?
[09:51] <aftertaf> RadSurfer:  apt
[09:51] <Terminus> RadSurfer, it seems cleaner? and apt is really nice. :)
[09:51] <dell500> Ubuntu, IMO, has a better community/help
[09:51] <aftertaf> apt is a three word wonder
[09:51] <dell500> apt is soooo nice
[09:51] <dell500> lol
[09:51] <Tidus> mandriva has issues.
[09:51] <intelikey> Juhaz that would be default install  not base install    the base system has no gui
[09:51] <RadSurfer> its cvs variant
[09:51] <Tidus> at least, from what i seen
[09:51] <Terminus> RadSurfer, i haven't touched rpm distros in years even if yum/urpmi is already available. :)
[09:52] <Juhaz> intelikey, I never said it had, just that it doesn't have five, description fits both! :)
[09:52] <Terminus> RadSurfer, oh, ubuntu is now certified for DB2, if you're into it too. :)
[09:52] <n0dl> i dont really trust RPM based distros
[09:52] <n0dl> theres jsut something about RH that i dont trust
[09:52] <aftertaf> n0dl:  ai second that
[09:52] <RadSurfer> I have never had trouble with rpm's
[09:52] <aftertaf> s/ai/I
[09:52] <intelikey> urpmi was good in 2002 :)
[09:53] <aftertaf> very slow to update
[09:53] <Tidus> my two favorite distros are gentoo and debian (or debian based)
[09:53] <n0dl> lol
[09:53] <Terminus> last rpm distro i played with was rh9. gentoo was nice but i couldn't stand the compile times. hehe
[09:53] <alsh> Hello! How to permanently set environment variable? (bash) I tried doing: set MYEMAIL="myemail <me@myself.com", but it doesn't work...
[09:53] <n0dl> yeh i wanna try gentoo... but imma try it when im more experienced
[09:53] <n0dl> i am gonna try slack though
[09:53] <aftertaf> alsh:  in you .bashrc prefs file
[09:53] <Terminus> alsh, it's export, not set.
[09:53] <Tidus> n0dl: gentoo's quite nice, but as Terminus said, the compile times are hell to live with
[09:54] <Corrupter> what are some good programs to download for ubuntu?
[09:54] <Terminus> Tidus, another issue i had with it was during that time, i still had broken packages in stable. :(
[09:54] <RadSurfer> and of course still uses Samba
[09:54] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  w32codecs, xine
[09:54] <Terminus> Corrupter, you better ask yourself what you want to do on ubuntu first. :)
[09:54] <n0dl> Corrupetr: gcc g++ build essential
[09:54] <alsh> aftertaf: Thanks!
[09:54] <RadSurfer> I heard Ubuntu is good with older PC's, too
[09:54] <Tidus> Terminus: ya, they've had a bit of trouble with that... that's why i ran the unstable tree... never had a single breakage in over a year
[09:54] <aftertaf> Terminus:  broken packages put hairs on your chest
[09:54] <Corrupter> lol
[09:54] <alsh> Terminus: Thank you!
[09:55] <Terminus> aftertaf, i'd say totem-xine. xine isn't really user friendly IMHO. :)
[09:55] <aftertaf> RadSurfer:  yep. pIII 500 runs like a dream
[09:55] <intelikey> alsh for global env put them in /etc/profile   for user  put it in ~/.bashrc  or ~/.bash_profile   or ~/.profile
[09:55] <Corrupter> well, i found some konfabulator-like programs that look interesting, but no ubuntu releases, and i found gnucash, same problem
[09:55] <Tidus> RadSurfer: i have ubuntu installed on my old pmmx-150 laptop... a bit slow, but runs fine
[09:55] <RadSurfer> And gaim/x-chat-2 are standard I hope
[09:55] <krow> i'm trying "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" but it's giving me an error. can anyone help me quick?
[09:55] <Terminus> Tidus, some of them also broke when using sandboxes. :)
[09:55] <aftertaf> Tidus:  which WM?
[09:55] <aftertaf> krow:  paste your error in PM to me ;)
[09:55] <Tidus> aftertaf: on the laptop?  normally fluxbox
[09:55] <aftertaf> hehe light WM's rule
[09:55] <Terminus> alsh, put it in your bashrc like they've been saying if you want it set every login. :)
[09:55] <Tidus> krow: i'll help a bit.
[09:56] <Corrupter> any idea's on some good programs along those lines?
[09:56] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  gdesklets or superkaramba for the eyecandy desktop stuff
[09:56] <Tidus> Corrupter: if you're running kubuntu, use superkaramba (konfabulator like)
[09:56] <Tidus> Corrupter: it doesn't like to run well if you're not using KDE
[09:57] <Corrupter> i'm on gnome :-.
[09:57] <Corrupter> :-/
[09:57] <RadSurfer> yaay gnome
[09:57] <Tidus> Corrupter: you can still try it, but i don't know if it'll work properly
[09:57] <Tidus> i had issues with fluxbox and SK
[09:57] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  then gdesklets
[09:57] <n0dl> gnome is alright... mebe not
[09:57] <krow> aftertaf, did you get that?
[09:57] <Corrupter> i like KDE, but i also like gnome
[09:57] <n0dl> i dunno gnome is just to....
[09:58] <Tidus> Corrupter: good news though... if you enable universe, you can install kde
[09:58] <Corrupter> i need something... useful, not just looking pretty
[09:58] <aftertaf> krow:  nope... have you registered? if not, goto #flood and paste there ;)
[09:58] <Terminus> i think KDE is still messy. never could navigate it worth a damn. :(
[09:58] <Tidus> Terminus: i'm used to KDE
[09:58] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  to do what?
[09:58] <Terminus> Tidus, well, to each his own. ;)
[09:58] <Tidus> i played around with Manrake (before mandriva) and SuSE too much to not get used to KDE
[09:58] <Terminus> personally, i like gnome, or openbox for older machines.
[09:58] <aftertaf> Tidus:  :  Terminus  yep ;)
[09:59] <krow> aftertaf, just pasted on #flood
[09:59] <intelikey> Terminus are you also a windows user ?
[09:59] <Corrupter> i like gnucash, it looks fairly decent, but like i said, no ubuntu release, anybody know of any other types of programs like that?
[09:59] <Tidus> i have a little Via C3 based router that runs SuSE
[09:59] <aftertaf> krow:  paste me your sources.list too.
[09:59] <Terminus> intelikey, not really. just for games. and i haven't found any game worth playing recently. i still spend most of my game time on ET. :)
[09:59] <Tidus> Corrupter: enable universe, then it might be in there.
[09:59] <Corrupter> i already have, i haven't really checked anything other than the internet stuff though... let me look through the programs
[10:00] <aftertaf> and krow, what was the command that gave you theat error? dist-upgrade?
[10:00] <revfrthumos> howdy all
[10:00] <aftertaf> howdy revfrthumos
[10:00] <Terminus> intelikey, why'd you ask? :)
[10:00] <krow> aftertaf, yea, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:00] <krow> aftertaf, posted sources.list also
[10:00] <Terminus> intelikey, errr... are you chatting as root? bad practice...
[10:00] <intelikey> just asking.   cause most of the time when i say gnome is too much like windows, i get feedback that goes "i thought kde was the windows clone"
[10:00] <Corrupter> i have a quick question, say i destroy a 2nd partition on my PC, will i be able to expand my ubuntu partition?
[10:00] <intelikey> Terminus np
[10:01] <Tidus> Corrupter: if you enable universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list, gnucash is in there
[10:01] <intelikey> Terminus no
[10:01] <n0dl> does anyone know any good free email>
[10:01] <n0dl> ?
[10:01] <n0dl> thats not hotmail
[10:01] <n0dl> ?
[10:01] <Tidus> n0dl: gmail :)
[10:01] <n0dl> anything else?
[10:01] <Tidus> n0dl: not really.
[10:01] <n0dl> lol
[10:01] <Corrupter> and how do i update that?
[10:01] <RadSurfer> ship.ubuntu.com triggers a security certificate violation in Firefox
[10:01] <Terminus> n0dl, yahoo? lol
[10:01] <Corrupter> and where is it located on the list?
[10:02] <Tidus> n0dl: pm me with your current email address if you want a gmail invite
[10:02] <n0dl> anyhting thats not microsoft based
[10:02] <n0dl> bleh
[10:02] <Terminus> n0dl, the nice thing about gmail, you've got pop3 access. :)
[10:02] <aftertaf> ok krow make sure you have universe and multiverse on each line with main and restricted, then apt-get yupdate and apt-get -f install
[10:02] <Tidus> Corrupter: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list then uncomment the two lines that have 'universe' at the end, then 'sudo apt-get update' then 'sudo apt-get install gnucash'
[10:02] <intelikey> Terminus i knew why you said it.   :)
[10:03] <Terminus> intelikey, yeah... thought root just landed. hehe
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: Terminus has a point... with gmail you get free pop3 access.
[10:03] <n0dl> pop3?
[10:03] <intelikey> n0dl idk.
[10:03] <n0dl> idk?
[10:03] <Corrupter> i'm fairly sure i already have universal
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: you can access your mail with e.g. Thunderbird or Evolution
[10:03] <Corrupter> cuz i installed the mp3 codec earlier today
[10:03] <intelikey> yeah i believe.
[10:03] <Tidus> n0dl: idk means 'i don't know'
[10:03] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  change your sorces.list then apt-get update, then apt-get install gnucash ;)
[10:04] <intelikey> idk = i don't know.
[10:04] <aftertaf> corrupter apt-cache search cash
[10:04] <RadSurfer> How much HDD space is used for a FIRST TIME installation?
[10:04] <Tidus> RadSurfer: about 1.8G
[10:04] <RadSurfer> outch
[10:04] <aftertaf> and Corrupter for the partition thing, you can resize your root partiton if you boot from a live cd.
[10:04] <Tidus> RadSurfer: usually a bit less though...
[10:04] <morphix> RadSurfer, for me it was around 1.7 - 1.8
[10:04] <RadSurfer> I get to choose items?
[10:05] <Tidus> it was 1.6 for me
[10:05] <Terminus> RadSurfer, you can always install only the base. :)
[10:05] <intelikey> RadSurfer an expert server install can fit in just less than 200m  the default is 1.7g
[10:05] <RadSurfer> I have a list of checkboxes and such right?
[10:05] <krow> aftertaf, no dist-upgrade needed?
[10:05] <Terminus> RadSurfer, default makes the choices for you, base will give you a console and let you customize to your heart's content.
[10:05] <RadSurfer> OK.
[10:05] <aftertaf> krow:  not yet, you'll need the -f install first
[10:05] <aftertaf> dependency issies ;)
[10:05] <krow> k
[10:06] <Terminus> RadSurfer, note that you will not get checkboxes ala redhat. i think. haven't tried the base install but i'm assuming it's like debian. :)
[10:06] <khermans_> Anyone get GmailFS working in Ubuntu?
[10:06] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[10:06] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[10:06] <Terminus> aftertaf, i have some here. want me to ship it to you? :)
[10:06] <intelikey> RadSurfer no   no list of check boxes.   no package selection.   full or server.  that's the install choice.
[10:06] <Corrupter> how do i uncomment the list?
[10:07] <RadSurfer> hmmm
[10:07] <intelikey> remove the #
[10:07] <Terminus> RadSurfer, the default package installer thingy if you choose server is aptitude. really nice IMHO. :)
[10:07] <intelikey> RadSurfer thus you install server and apt-get what you want to add.
[10:07] <RadSurfer> exaactly
[10:07] <Terminus> or yeah, like intelikey said, apt-get. :)
[10:08] <Terminus> errr... s/default/canonical/
[10:08] <Razor-X> does Gmail really have its own FS?
[10:08] <krow> ok, after i get upgraded to breezy.. i'm gonna my DVD-rom to play DVDs, and a CD-burner.. i remember there were certain media players and packages i needed to play certain media files, i don't remember which tho
[10:08] <Corrupter> it says unable to lock the list directory
[10:08] <Tidus> Razor-X: no, but there is a program that will allow you to use gmail just like a file system or something like that.
[10:09] <Razor-X> or is GmailFS the term for a storage that craftily manages emails and attachments in a way as to transparently make gmail appear as an FS?
[10:09] <intelikey> Terminus actually, dpkg is the package manager.  apt and aptitude are just frontends that make calls to dpkg  and dselect
[10:09] <Razor-X> oh, well, yeah, thanks Tidus
[10:09] <khermans_> Razor-X, Tidus aptitude show gmailfs
[10:09] <krow> aftertaf, ok, -f install finished.. dist-upgrade now?
[10:09] <Terminus> intelikey, yeah... wrong terminology on my part. my bad. :)
[10:09] <Razor-X> aptitude show?
[10:09] <Razor-X> hmm, I don't use that quite often
[10:09] <Terminus> intelikey, errr... aptitude calls dselect?
[10:09] <Corrupter> ok... anybody know how to fix that?
[10:09] <Tidus> Terminus: sometimes, yes
[10:10] <khermans_> Razor-X, aptitude is the successor to apt-get
[10:10] <intelikey> for installition calls yes.
[10:10] <Razor-X> Terminus: yes, the interface looks a lot like dselect
[10:10] <Terminus> Tidus, oh... didn't know that. i thought dselect got thrown out when aptitude came along.
[10:10] <Tidus> khermans_: not really... aptitude is a frontend to apt-get
[10:10] <Razor-X> khermans_: I know about aptitude and use it regularly, just haven't used show very often
[10:10] <Razor-X> and i'm pretty sure aptitude is a frontend to dpkg, and not apt-get :)
[10:10] <khermans_> Tidus, yes but it is much nicer
[10:10] <khermans_> imho
[10:10] <intelikey> Tidus ?
[10:11] <Tidus> intelikey: ?
[10:11] <Terminus> i still remember when aptitude really sucked 4 years ago. hehe
[10:11] <n0dl> lol
[10:11] <n0dl> does aptitude still suck?
[10:11] <Terminus> now it's better than dselect IMHO though. :)
[10:11] <morphix> meh.
[10:11] <Tidus> n0dl: no, aptitude's actually quite nice
[10:11] <morphix> i dont even use x or a GUI for that matter.
[10:11] <intelikey> apt-get calls deselect and dpkg   it doesnt do the actuall package manipulation
[10:11] <Terminus> n0dl, that was four years ago. ;)
[10:11] <morphix> linux for me.. is only as a server.
[10:12] <intelikey> n0dl yes it does.
[10:12] <khermans_> hehe, yeah im an "aptitude man"
[10:12] <khermans_> no damn Synaptic for us real guys ;-)
[10:12] <intelikey> that's why they build a ford and a chevy  :)
[10:13] <krow> what about mazda?
[10:13] <Terminus> khermans_, dpkg and dependency hell is for real guys... err... might as well run slackware. hehe
[10:13] <khermans_> intelikey, i think they only do that so there's no monopoly!
[10:13] <intelikey> krow yeah we know about windows too
[10:14] <krow> intelikey, lol
[10:14] <krow> that was good
[10:14] <khermans_> slackware is hard to maintain i hear
[10:14] <sabmann> dunno
[10:14] <Terminus> so i've heard too. i never really played around with it. considered it once but the lack of a postgresql package turned me off.
[10:15] <Corrupter> i'm confused as all hell about this, can somebody help me out?
[10:15] <Terminus> Corrupter, what are you trying to do?
[10:15] <Terminus> oh... sources list?
[10:15] <Corrupter> yes
[10:15] <Terminus> i'll paste my source list for you.
[10:15] <khermans_> Terminus, yeah i fell in love with Ubuntu after using redhat, gentoo, suse, mandrake, lycoris, knoppix, lfs, etc on/off for 7 years
[10:15] <Corrupter> i A. don't know how to uncomment something and B. am a n00b
[10:16] <intelikey> Terminus don't flood
[10:16] <dell500> gonna take an hour to get all my mp3s on my ipod, wow, time for sleep
[10:16] <dell500> night, have a grateful day :)
[10:16] <sabmann> Terminus, in terminal do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <Terminus> intelikey, don't worry. i won't i meant i'd use a pastebin. :)
[10:16] <intelikey> Corrupter a line with    '# blah blah blah " is commented out.   remove the  #
[10:17] <learnin9> hello
[10:17] <Corrupter> i did that
[10:17] <learnin9> every body
[10:17] <Corrupter> what now?
[10:17] <learnin9> i am a japanse pig
[10:17] <n0dl> what?
[10:17] <krow> save it
[10:17] <n0dl> is taht some kinda racist comment?
[10:17] <Terminus> Corrupter, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4829
[10:17] <Corrupter> did that
[10:18] <intelikey> save and exit.   'sudo apt-get clean ;sudo apg-get update '
[10:18] <intelikey> then you are ready.
[10:18] <Zag0R> hi!how  i can extend my desktop on another monitor !! TNX
[10:18] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm liking BSD a lot for servers now. never really had the chance to play with it before because of the lack of boxen. i fell in love with ubuntu as a workstation though. :)
[10:19] <penguinzdr> how can i uninstall all kubuntu-desktop packages safely and GDM to start automaticallly after the uninstallation?
[10:19] <Corrupter> unable to lock administration directory
[10:19] <khermans_> Terminus, yeah Ubuntu is the best desktop OS
[10:19] <henriquemaia> Hello, does anyone knows a way of disabling the close button (on metacity)?
[10:19] <khermans_> Terminus, OpenBSD if you want that secure server
[10:19] <aftertaf> krow:  yep, if you did apt-get update first ;)
[10:19] <intelikey> Zag0R there are some pretty good howto's on duel-head linux  on the web.  did you look ?
[10:20] <krow> aftertaf, of course ;)
[10:20] <Corrupter> like 5 files got 404 errors
[10:20] <Terminus> khermans_, i'll use it when i need a router. otherwise, i'll stick to general purpose freebsd for now.
[10:20] <n0dl> does anyone know a more reliable client than GAIM?
[10:20] <krow> aftertaf, already running dist-upgrade.. was too impatient to wait for answer
[10:20] <khermans_> hehe  Terminus use 6.0 yet?
[10:20] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  run it with sudo, and close synaptic
[10:20] <aftertaf> and check your sources list againnst repos
[10:20] <aftertaf> !repos
[10:20] <ubotu> repos is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[10:20] <aftertaf> hehe krow s' cool.
[10:20] <Corrupter> did that
[10:21] <Terminus> khermans_, not yet. i'd like to some time. i think we're getting dangerously off topic. we should stop before somebody complains. hehe. :)
[10:21] <Corrupter> repos?
[10:21] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  pastebin the 404s then ;)
[10:21] <khermans_> Terminus, ahh no fun !
[10:21] <krow> :)
[10:21] <revfrthumos> wow, this has been some experience... i feel like such a newb.
[10:21] <intelikey> Corrupter also know what release you are using.   'uname -r'
[10:21] <aftertaf> see the link from ubotu Corrupter ^^^^^
[10:21] <Corrupter> 5.10
[10:21] <Terminus> khermans_, switch to #ubuntu-offtopic? :)
[10:21] <intelikey> Corrupter  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[10:22] <khermans_> Terminus, nah im heading to sleep soon - 4 : 30 am
[10:22] <penguinzdr> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Rtfm
[10:22] <n0dl> its one thirty on the west coast
[10:22] <penguinzdr> sorry
[10:22] <Terminus> khermans_, ok. have a good morning's sleep. :)
[10:22] <penguinzdr> how can i uninstall all kubuntu-desktop packages safely and GDM to start automaticallly after the uninstallation?
[10:23] <Corrupter> ok, one last question, what is the command to install something?
[10:23] <Terminus> Corrupter, apt-get install $something
[10:24] <Terminus> Corrupter, if you want a console front-end, you can use aptitude. for a gui, synaptic.
[10:24] <intelikey> Corrupter mam mam
[10:24] <intelikey> !man
[10:24] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man man" at the command line, or see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands
[10:25] <wmealing_> got a question, I'm interested in writing a package which runs on ubuntu.. when the ubuntu server boots, it gets its ldap server and config settings via the dhcp server (option 95) and then configures itself appropriately, this wouldnt be automatic or a default.. but it would also require a properly configured ubuntu ldap server.... this would be good for mass rollouts or classroom situations.. would anyone find this useful ?
[10:25] <marianna> hi
[10:25] <Terminus> hiya marianna :)
[10:26] <BockBilbo> hello
[10:26] <BockBilbo> any of you has managed to run matlab 7.0 in breezy?
[10:26] <intelikey> wmealing_ i'm sure someone would, but you will probably never hear a thank you for it.
[10:27] <Corrupter> what is file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[10:28] <topyli> n0dl: how is gaim unreliable? i have no problems other than server side suckyness
[10:28] <intelikey> it is a lock file telling apt that aptitiue or synaptic is running so it will not open.
[10:28] <Terminus> Corrupter, it's a lockfile so that other apps don't mess with it while it's being used. i've had a lot of troubles with /var/lib/dpkg/lock myself.
[10:28] <Corrupter> well it won't let ME install anything
[10:28] <n0dl> topyli: i dunno i want to try something new
[10:28] <topyli> Corrupter: it prevents you from running two apt instances simultaneously
[10:29] <wmealing_> intelikey, if its not likely to be used, i might not waste my time doing it
[10:29] <bimberi> wmealing_: the edubuntu people may be interested - #edubuntu or mailing list via http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[10:29] <Terminus> Corrupter, close all front-ends and clean it up manually.
[10:29] <Corrupter> ... and i do that... how?
[10:29] <intelikey> wmealing_ i didn't say that.
[10:30] <Corrupter> it says E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:30] <Terminus> Corrupter, are any instances of aptitude, apt, dpkg, and synaptic shut down already?
[10:30] <Corrupter> how do i do that?
[10:30] <intelikey> Corrupter close aptitude.   close synaptic   kill any apt-get that is running.     and sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lock     then try again.
[10:31] <Corrupter> i have nothing open at all other than a terminal and X-Chat
[10:31] <topyli> n0dl: well, that's different. :-) try apt-cache search messenger and take your pick. depends on which networks you wish to use
[10:31] <Terminus> Corrupter, you might also want to delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock if it exists, same way intelikey told you how.
[10:31] <intelikey> so   sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lock     then try again.
[10:31] <n0dl> alright
[10:31] <n0dl> does anyone know the package for envince?
[10:32] <agtnz> evince?
[10:32] <bimberi> n0dl: evince ?
[10:32] <n0dl> oh woops
[10:32] <n0dl> thats what its called
[10:32] <topyli> n0dl: you probably want to add a grep command to that command line, like so: apt-cache search messenger | grep client
[10:32] <Corrupter> nope
[10:32] <Corrupter> how do i close any dpkg or whatevers?
[10:32] <intelikey> n0dl topyli just pointed you to apt-cache search     maybe you should  'man apt-cache '
[10:32] <n0dl> Topyli alright
[10:33] <Terminus> Corrupter, you can use `ps aux|grep $foo` where foo is the command that you want to check for and make sure nothing is running.
[10:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> what place do you smart sharpers suggest for plane tickets within california?
[10:33] <Zag0R> hi!how  i can extend my desktop on another monitor !! TNX
[10:33] <morphix> is there any easy way to uninstall all GUI apps and gnome, etc?
[10:34] <Terminus> Corrupter, if you find something, you can use `kill $pid` or `killall $process_name`. kill -9 or killall -9 if it's being stuborn.
[10:34] <n0dl> BROKEN_LADDER,  youve got to be kidding me
[10:34] <intelikey> Zag0R google  duel head
[10:34] <Terminus> morphix, if you just want a command line, you should have installed ubuntu with the server option instead.
[10:34] <Zag0R> y now a link please!
[10:34] <Corrupter> and how do i find something?
[10:35] <Terminus> Corrupter, the ps aux command i gave above.
[10:35] <topyli> Corrupter: with ps
[10:35] <Corrupter> ok
[10:35] <morphix> Terminus, yeh i realise that, it was originally gonna get used as a desktop
[10:35] <morphix> changed my mind.
[10:35] <Terminus> morphix, maybe a reinstall will be worth more than the trouble of uninstalling packages. :)
[10:36] <topyli> morphix: just start removing some x libraries until your system is clean
[10:36] <morphix> i was hoping no downtime lol.
[10:36] <Seveas> morphix, use debfoster to prune ubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <Seveas> or whatever GUI things you installed
[10:36] <Corrupter> i see nothing like what you gusy described
[10:37] <topyli> Corrupter: if no apt, synaptic, aptitude, or dpkg processes are running, the lock file is there as a result of an error, and you can remove it
[10:37] <Terminus> Corrupter, well, that probably means that no package app is running so you can delete the lockfiles.
[10:38] <Corrupter> apt-get install gnucash
[10:38] <n0dl> why doesnt googe work on lynx?
[10:38] <Corrupter> Unable to lock the list directory
[10:38] <Seveas> Corrupter, sudo apt-get install
[10:39] <Seveas> and close synaptic/aptitude/whatever can use apt
[10:39] <topyli> n0dl: strange, it's true it's failing
[10:39] <intelikey> n0dl it does on links/elinks  i don't know about lynx,  it works on w3m also.
[10:39] <Corrupter> yay! it worked
[10:39] <rss> hi, any idea how to group bookmarks into a single category in del.icio.us?
[10:39] <topyli> Corrupter: yep, you need to use sudo for such commands
[10:39] <Terminus> lol. missing sudo.
[10:39] <rss> like it is done in http://del.icio.us/sachac
[10:40] <Corrupter> lol, somebody could have told me that a while ago...
[10:40] <aftertaf> eek, sorry curr :/
[10:40] <n0dl> i was wondering how would i delete cookies and history and stuff when i use text only browsers like w3m links lynx etc
[10:40] <Terminus> rss, you know sacha? :)
[10:40] <aftertaf> eek, sorry Corrupter  :/
[10:40] <topyli> Corrupter: heh, nobody ever thinks about the simplest explanation :)
[10:40] <Terminus> sorry Corrupter... we all missed the obvious. =D
[10:41] <Corrupter> lol
[10:41] <rss> Terminus, no, I came across it a while ago
[10:41] <Corrupter> at least we figured it out
[10:41] <rss> Terminus, is she a famous hacker?
[10:41] <Terminus> rss, oh... thought you knew her. i don't know anything about your question though...
[10:41] <Corrupter> any other little useful programs anybody wants to share?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, well, i dunno about being famous but she got quoted a lot in the local papers here before. :)
[10:42] <rss> Terminus, where?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, haven't seen her in a long time though... i just thought we both have a common friend. hehe
[10:42] <intelikey> Corrupter yes.   less
[10:42] <n0dl> is there a way to delete history  and cookies and stuff in text only browsers?
[10:42] <Terminus> rss, philippines.
[10:42] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen
[10:43] <Corrupter> aftertaf and that is?
[10:43] <topyli> Corrupter: well, i think wajig is one of the must-have admin tools. also, learn to use grep
[10:43] <intelikey> yuch screen
[10:43] <n0dl> anyone know?
[10:43] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen rocks
[10:43] <topyli> screen does rock
[10:43] <Corrupter> aftertaf what is it?
[10:43] <rss> Terminus, wow, if you know her yahoo id or jabber nick... can ya give me or ask her how she did it?
[10:43] <aftertaf> its a shell thing. in one terminal you can swp from page to page
[10:43] <topyli> Corrupter: use man on those commands. man sccreen, man grep etc. they have descriptions at the very top of the page
[10:44] <Corrupter> my terminal is currently at work, lol
[10:44] <aftertaf> you can close the terminal and the screen keeps running, you then connect via ssh and reattach the screen, ass it well with screen
[10:44] <Terminus> n0dl, rm the dot directory for the browser? :)
[10:44] <intelikey> n0dl sure rm their config dir in your home    rm ~/.lynx -rf   for example
[10:44] <Corrupter> and i've been through way too much hell to open another and have it crap out on me
[10:44] <rss> Terminus, the planner mode for emacs that she maintains is superb!
[10:44] <aftertaf> !info screen
[10:44] <ubotu> screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.2-4.1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 563 kB, Installed size: 972 kB
[10:44] <Corrupter> oh ya... that helps
[10:44] <n0dl> intelikey,  hmmm i have a config dir in my home?
[10:44] <aftertaf> lol
[10:44] <Terminus> rss, you might want to check her website @ http://sachac.free.net.ph for info on how to contact her. :)
[10:44] <aftertaf> !tell Corrupter about screen
[10:45] <topyli> Corrupter: sooner or later you'll end up running several terminals anyway :)
[10:45] <intelikey> n0dl most web browsers make one yes.
[10:45] <Corrupter> can we do it in english now?
[10:45] <Corrupter> i know
[10:45] <rss> Terminus, seen that, i found no contact info :(
[10:45] <Terminus> rss, her email is right at the bottom of the page. lol
[10:46] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  see this page http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/macgems/
[10:46] <n0dl> intelikey: alright imma try and see if its in my home dir
[10:46] <Terminus> rss, that was sacha.free.net.ph btw. sorry.
[10:46] <rss> Terminus, sorry, I was a bit slacky
[10:46] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  screen is very subtle, its once you've used it that you realise how cool it is
[10:46] <Corrupter> i'm getting 8 404 errors when i try to do apt-get update
[10:46] <n0dl> there isnt one in my home direcotry
[10:46] <Terminus> anyway, i'm going afk. my dad just arrived and wants me to checkout some hardware he bought.
[10:46] <intelikey> 'ls df free and mount'
[10:46] <aftertaf> !tell Corrupter about pastebin
[10:47] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  pate the error to pastebin
[10:47] <rss> Terminus, bye :)
[10:47] <topyli> my favorite utility is sl. it combines entertainment and education very nicely =)
[10:47] <Corrupter> what is that?
[10:47] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  and paste us the url
[10:47] <intelikey> n0dl you sure ?
[10:47] <Terminus> rss, bye... she's a really cool girl. i wish i could code like her. hehe
[10:47] <intelikey> n0dl what browser ?
[10:48] <aftertaf> wb Hobbsee
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ty aftertaf :)
[10:48] <Corrupter> whats pastebin?
[10:48] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[10:48] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:48] <n0dl> lynx links and w3d
[10:48] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  did ubotu send you a link?
[10:48] <n0dl> or whatever the last one was called
[10:48] <Madpilot> Corrupter: you should have gotten a msg from the bot...
[10:48] <Corrupter> i just did
[10:48] <Corrupter> i didn't see it till now
[10:48] <intelikey> w3m
[10:48] <n0dl> yeah that
[10:49] <aftertaf> hehe no prob Corrupter  :)
[10:49] <intelikey> links does i know i'm looking at mine
[10:49] <bimberi> topyli: lol, never heard of sl - thanks
[10:49] <n0dl> intelikey: how can i locate it?
[10:49] <topyli> bimberi: i install it on all machines :)
[10:50] <intelikey> n0dl ls -A
[10:50] <intelikey> in your home.
[10:51] <n0dl> whoa
[10:51] <n0dl> your right
[10:51] <Corrupter> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4830
[10:51] <n0dl> geez i really should read those man pages
[10:51] <Corrupter> theres the beginning of my problem
[10:51] <topyli> bimberi: gnarr is also cool, but difficult to find these days. it generates dwarfish battle cries like "by the beards of my ancestors, i shall bring your demise!"
[10:51] <intelikey> yep
[10:51] <intelikey> that is why i keep saying that.
[10:51] <n0dl> hehe
[10:51] <BockBilbo> where is the best place to suggest a new package to be build for drapper?
[10:52] <Corrupter> anybody got any idea's?
[10:52] <BockBilbo> #ubuntu-devel ?
[10:52] <Corrupter> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4830
[10:53] <Corrupter> hello?
[10:54] <intelikey> kinda like M$ starts it's installer with the 'eula' that you have to sware you've read and agree to before you can install,  linux installers should open man man  and make you find the way to exit before you can install.   :)
[10:54] <n0dl> intelikey: so i run that rm -rf command?
[10:54] <topyli> BockBilbo: you can also file a wishlist bug in bugzilla
[10:54] <BockBilbo> topyli, bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org?
[10:54] <topyli> yes
[10:54] <intelikey> n0dl man rm
[10:54] <BockBilbo> ok
[10:54] <Corrupter> can anyone help me?
[10:55] <BockBilbo> im gonna ask in ubuntu-devel, and if people like the idea, ill write a wishlist bug there
[10:55] <topyli> BockBilbo: better yet, build and maintain the package, then report to MOTU service :)
[10:55] <n0dl> ok
[10:55] <intelikey> n0dl and yes that will clear all history/cache/cookies
[10:55] <BockBilbo> xD
[10:55] <Corrupter> *sigh*
[10:55] <BockBilbo> hehe topyli i yet dont know how to make deb packages
[10:55] <BockBilbo> :S
[10:55] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  looking
[10:56] <intelikey> as well as any customization you have done on the browser
[10:56] <topyli> BockBilbo: the good people of debian have taken care of everything: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[10:56] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  disable the backports
[10:57] <intelikey> hu  oh it's a screeny  lol Corrupter i can't see a thing there.
[10:57] <aftertaf> they must not be thei reight ones
[10:57] <topyli> BockBilbo: then you can print "Master of the Universe" on your business cards
[10:57] <BockBilbo> hha
[10:57] <topyli> much better than master of arts or some such lame titles
[10:57] <n0dl> brb
[10:57] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  do you need sth in backports?
[10:58] <Corrupter> how do i disable backports?
[10:58] <bimberi> Corrupter: "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and put a # in front of all lines with breezy-backports in them
[10:58] <BockBilbo> thanks topyli
[10:58] <intelikey> Corrupter you 'comment' it out.     remember ?
[10:59] <topyli> BockBilbo: if you don't want to save the whole world, it's easiest to use checkinstall to build packages just for your local use
[11:00] <intelikey> bimberi actually all the Corrupter Q&A have been cli, i don't think he/she has a gui there.
[11:01] <bimberi> intelikey: ah, in that case maybe "sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list" would be better?
[11:01] <intelikey> or w3m http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325  even
[11:01] <aftertaf> i have a sewxy 3 line does all sources.list
[11:01] <Corrupter> lol, actually i do
[11:02] <Corrupter> lol, ok, i got gnucash installed, anyone know where to find it at now?
[11:02] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4831
[11:03] <josias_> how are you?
[11:03] <Corrupter> anyone know where to find it at?
[11:03] <josias_> no
[11:03] <bimberi> Corrupter: I'm guessing Applications -> Office :)
[11:04] <josias_> ok
[11:04] <Corrupter> looked there, couldn't find it
[11:04] <intelikey> Corrupter apt-cache show gnucash     should give you a list,  look for the one with  bin/  in front of it.
[11:04] <aftertaf> Corrupter:  you'll need to restart gnome to find it, or run it from terminal
[11:04] <josias_> i saw the list
[11:04] <bimberi> Corrupter:  you can always type gnucash from the terminal
[11:04] <intelikey> oh on the menu   hehhe nope.
[11:04] <Corrupter> alright, there we go
[11:05] <Corrupter> ok, lol, next quest
[11:05] <Corrupter> gdesklette?
[11:05] <bimberi> Corrupter: gdesklets?
[11:05] <jmspeex> Anyone's got a clue what atftpd gives me: "connect: Address family not supported by protocol"? Running 5.10
[11:05] <topyli> Corrupter: it's enough to restart the panel
[11:06] <Corrupter> topyli huh?
[11:06] <topyli> Corrupter: killall gnome-panel. it will respawn and the menu will be up to date
[11:07] <Corrupter> alright, anyways, is there any way to download gdesklets in terminal?
[11:07] <intelikey> Corrupter if you are not going to use 'synaptic '   in the gui, then 'apt-cache search <blah> '     and    'sudo apt-get install <blah> '    learn them, use them.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get gdesklets?
[11:08] <bimberi> s/t g/t install g/
[11:08] <gnomefreak> + install in there
[11:08] <duncanjm> Help? Every time I run Synaptic, I have to reload my repositories to see multiverse/universe. Even if I only used it 2-3 mins ago.. How to save between sessions?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> duncanjm, synaptic should save them after reload try running from terminal "sudo apt-get update
[11:09] <gnomefreak> "
[11:09] <gnomefreak> no quotes
[11:09] <intelikey> bbl
[11:09] <heatxsink> hello all
[11:10] <gnomefreak> be back in a min or so i gota run downstairs
[11:10] <heatxsink> when I boot my desktop machine running Ubuntu Breezy, it does not make a /dev/dvd link to /dev/hdc, how to I make this happen so I don't have to do it manually when I reboot?
[11:10] <heatxsink> thanks :-)
[11:10] <duncanjm> LjeefeaTeo <---- Thanks, I'll try that (but I'm waiting for the reporsitory reload right now, so I while) :)
[11:14] <topyli> you could add it to an init script, or specify hdc as the device in your player if it has such an option
[11:14] <topyli> heatxsink: ^
[11:15] <heatxsink> topyli:  which init script?
[11:15] <topyli> heatxsink: if your player is in the default ubuntu installation, it's a bug too, and should be reported
[11:15] <bimberi> heatxsink: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:15] <topyli> bootmisc, yes
[11:16] <gnomefreak> is there an openoffice meta package? that has all OOo files in it?
[11:16] <onkarshinde> gnomefreak: openoffice.org2
[11:16] <bimberi> gnomefreak: openoffice.org2
[11:16] <heatxsink> bimberi:  so do I just put "ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd" at the end of that script?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ty
[11:16] <bimberi> heatxsink: that's what i would try :)
[11:17] <bimberi> go away spambot
[11:17] <heatxsink> brb
[11:17] <heatxsink> thanks guiys
[11:20] <bimberi> :)
[11:27] <khermans_> Sweet!  got GmailFS working!!!
[11:28] <J_P> hi all
[11:28] <all> hi
[11:28] <onkarshinde> J_P: Hi
[11:31] <Terminus> khermans_, i thought you went to sleep already? :p
[11:31] <khermans_> GmailFS kept me up
[11:31] <drcode> hi all
[11:31] <khermans_> got it working now :-)
[11:31] <all> hi
[11:31] <drcode> how I can delete evolution calander?
[11:32] <Terminus> khermans_, that has got to be the slowest FS ever. :p
[11:32] <khermans_> Terminus, i dont care -- im using it for backup purposes
[11:32] <khermans_> my servers will be in good hands
[11:32] <drcode> where it store his config files?
[11:33] <topyli> khermans_: yeah well, if you configure 100 gmail accounts, you'll have about 250G or space there :)
[11:34] <all> drcode 'ls -A ~ '
[11:34] <drcode> I delete .evolutoin dir and still it open ok
[11:34] <drcode> with all my settings
[11:34] <drcode> .evoltuin
[11:35] <khermans_> anyone know how to use the date command with %Y formatting?
[11:35] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm curious since i've never tried used gmailFS, can it use multiple accounts as one FS? :)
[11:35] <khermans_> tha man page is cryptic
[11:35] <topyli> drcode: some stuff is probably in .gnome2 too
[11:35] <khermans_> Terminus, dont think so
[11:35] <topyli> Terminus: i think you'll have to mount them separately
[11:35] <khermans_> yea
[11:36] <Terminus> hmmm... fun with symlinks. heh
[11:36] <morzel> hi every!
[11:36] <topyli> Terminus: and a monster fstab :)
[11:37] <topyli> got to show up in the office
[11:37] <Terminus> yeah... spending money for raid will save you the aggravation. hehe
[11:37] <morzel> i have ubuntu 5.10, ati radeon 9550 with tv-out, and I wan't to play videos with totem, but I can't. There is a blank screen
[11:37] <drcode> k
[11:37] <drcode> found the prob
[11:37] <drcode> thanx
[11:37] <morzel> can any help me?
[11:37] <Terminus> khermans_, hmmm... i just use the format listed at the top of the manpage. i don't know what %Y actually means either.
[11:38] <khermans_> Terminus, well i want a script that adds the date to the file name
[11:38] <khermans_> so i thought i could format the date string output with some options
[11:38] <khermans_> want files to look like myBackup_2005-11-21.tar.bz2
[11:39] <onkarshinde> morzel: what kind of video is it?
[11:39] <morzel> avi file
[11:39] <khermans_> morzel, you wathing pr0n?
[11:39] <khermans_> try vlc
[11:39] <khermans_> aptitude install vlc
[11:39] <all> wathing ?
[11:39] <morzel> vlc has the same problem
[11:40] <onkarshinde> morzel: what kind of video?
[11:40] <khermans_> hrm, maybe you need the w32codecs
[11:40] <morzel> mplayer can play normaly, but lagging
[11:40] <morzel> i have w32 codecs
[11:40] <crimsun> vlc doesn't use w32codecs
[11:40] <Terminus> khermans_, i'm trying to figure it out.
[11:40] <onkarshinde> morzel: I mean type of video. 'file -i filename' should tell you something
[11:40] <khermans_> Terminus, i know -- stupid huh?  or we're just dumb
[11:40] <crimsun> if vlc can't play it, it's due to our not compiling with libxvidcore4 support
[11:41] <Terminus> khermans_, we're just a bit slow. ;)
[11:42] <Terminus> khermans_, figured it out. i think you want date +%F :)
[11:42] <khermans_> Terminus, where the hell in the docs does it say + ???
[11:42] <khermans_> doh...
[11:42] <`6og> does anyone know if there is an ubuntu network install cd?
[11:42] <Terminus> khermans_, it says +FORMAT at the top. :)
[11:43] <khermans_> quick eyes leave brain to take the blame
[11:44] <cyphase> Is anyone else using a Netgear WG311v2 PCI wireless card?
[11:45] <[Jonne] > nope
[11:45] <cyphase> the wiki says it should work
[11:45] <cyphase> out of the box
[11:45] <[Jonne] > well, if the wiki says it, it must be true
[11:45] <[Jonne] > what's your problem
[11:45] <cyphase> lol
[11:45] <cyphase> well..
[11:45] <cyphase> it's not working..
[11:46] <cyphase> i try scanning for a network
[11:46] <cyphase> and it say's it can't find any
[11:46] <cyphase> even though i'm right next to the router
[11:46] <[Jonne] > you mean it drops your connection when you start shareaza?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > or is this completely unrelated to shareaza?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > oh crap
[11:46] <[Jonne] > sorry
[11:46] <cyphase> completely unrelated
[11:46] <cyphase> lol
[11:46] <cyphase> wrong channel?
[11:46] <[Jonne] > i thought i was in the #shareaza channel
[11:47] <[Jonne] > i can't really help you on that then
[11:47] <[Jonne] > are you sure your router is broadcasting its SSID?
[11:47] <cyphase> yes
[11:47] <cyphase> i have another wireless card..
[11:48] <cyphase> and when i used ndiswrapper to get it to work, it found the network
[11:48] <cyphase> but this one isn't working
[11:48] <[Jonne] > does the wiki say anything about getting the drivers or something?
[11:49] <cyphase> no
[11:50] <[Jonne] > meh, i wouldn't know then. I only once used wireless in Linux, and it worked out of the box. So i don't know a lot about what problems one might encounter
[11:50] <NoobieDoobieDo> I've read on several forums that people who have decent / good hardware are having trouble with Ubuntu running slow in situations where Windows runs noticeably faster.  Comments / Ideas ?
[11:50] <aftertaf> NoobieDoobieDo:  configure linux correctly, forget windows /end of comment         :] 
[11:50] <[Jonne] > NoobieDoobieDo, i wouldn't know anything that runs slowaer on linux
[11:50] <[Jonne] > *slower
[11:51] <[Jonne] > i even get a better framerate when i play neverball
[11:51] <NoobieDoobieDo> aftertaf: I've used several distros out of the box. Ubuntu seems to be the most sluggish.  Its making a 1ghz feel like a 750mhz
[11:51] <[Jonne] > use something other than gnome
[11:51] <[Jonne] > try E17, if you don't mind messing around
[11:51] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:52] <aftertaf> :)
[11:52] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: what cpu?
[11:52] <NoobieDoobieDo> aftertaf: if you do some google searches youll see what i mean. even people with nice videos cards, 1gb ram and so on are having trouble.  With _1GB_ of RAM and a 1GHZ cpu + you should have no problems.
[11:52] <NoobieDoobieDo> You shouldnt need to `configure` that ^^
[11:52] <`6og> NoobieDoobieDo: i don't have to ;)
[11:53] <NoobieDoobieDo> but a lot of people are having this problem, which I consider Ubuntu specific.
[11:53] <nomed> hi all
[11:53] <[Jonne] > you need to change the xorg.conf file from 'vesa' to 'whatever card is running'
[11:53] <[Jonne] > and other stuff like yjay
[11:53] <[Jonne] > *that
[11:53] <nomed> why my usplash stops when init starts ?
[11:53] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i loaded ub on a p1 133mhz with 98m ram and it didn't seem slow on it....
[11:53] <nomed> have you any idea?
[11:53] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : already done. even applied some other tweats.
[11:53] <`6og> does an imac boot from usb? can it boot usb?
[11:54] <wmealing_> no
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> all ; in GUI mode ?
[11:54] <all> yes
[11:54] <wmealing_> it can boot from firewire, i know that much.
[11:54] <aftertaf> NoobieDoobieDo:  fair enough, but have they submitted bug reports, asksed on here and said what config they have etc etc etc.? if there are bugs, a loooot of people dont have them and those that do can contribute by bugreporting and finding out why
[11:54] <pinkisntwell> can i install from the livecd or should i get the install cd to install if i decide to do so?
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> LOL.
[11:54] <all> fluxbox
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> I do not believe you.
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> oh
[11:54] <`6og> all: wish i had your patitience :)
[11:54] <NoobieDoobieDo> not GNOME.
[11:54] <[Jonne] > well, i wouldn't know then, but ghz, isn't really 'top of the line' in my eyes
[11:54] <all> NoobieDoobieDo running kde right now
[11:54] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: please read my question above.
[11:54] <[Jonne] > my laptop is 2 years old and runs at 1,8 Ghz
[11:54] <all> and no swap partition/file either.
[11:54] <nomed> does usplash work for all of you?
[11:55] <`6og> hi aftertaf
[11:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> crimsun: Intel Celeron 1GHZ
[11:55] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: dpkg -l linux-686|grep ^ii
[11:55] <[Jonne] > 1ghz celeron? you call that modern?
[11:55] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : it runs win2k just fine.
[11:55] <crimsun> nomed: works fine here
[11:55] <aftertaf> hi '6
[11:55] <`6og> [Jonne] : my laptops a 500mhz celeron
[11:55] <[Jonne] > well, yeah, but try running xp on that
[11:56] <NoobieDoobieDo> crimsun: what kind of speedup did u get
[11:56] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : i run XP on this crap 1gh duron amd.
[11:56] <aftertaf> optimised kernel is the way to go...
[11:56] <[Jonne] > you'll have to tweak down some stuff
[11:56] <nomed> crimsun, that's really strange .. it works untill it's in iniramfs when init starts the splash is gone ..
[11:56] <nomed> i just see runlevels [OK] 
[11:56] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i run linux + kde on this p1  what's your point ?
[11:57] <nomed> i really can't figure out what's the problem
[11:57] <[Jonne] > NoobieDoobieDo, do you run that with that ugly default luna theme, or windows classic?
[11:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : the point is Ubuntu is sluggish for a lot of people with decent systems and i think this sucks.
[11:57] <NoobieDoobieDo> [Jonne] : default XP settings
[11:58] <all> NoobieDoobieDo so don't use it.    but don't come in here trolling about it.
[11:58] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: nominal speedups, if any
[11:58] <NoobieDoobieDo> all: I didnt realize how many people were having this trouble, i thought it was just the crappy video card fault. but once i started checking the different forums I found a lot of people having sluggish performance out of 1GHZ + systems w/enough ram, etc.
[11:58] <viviersf> :(
[11:58] <Terminus> NoobieDoobieDo, well, i couldn't stand gnome on debian on a p3 800mhz box either. for boxen like yours, i'd probably use openbox instead.
[11:58] <viviersf> i just dont get why lilo refuses to install sumtimes
[11:58] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: we didn't enable preempt, for instance.
[11:59] <Terminus> crimsun, any particular reason why not?
[11:59] <viviersf> it seems it happens on the pheonix bios's
[11:59] <viviersf> :(
[11:59] <crimsun> Terminus: stability.
[11:59] <viviersf> any1 have any ideas ?
[11:59] <NoobieDoobieDo> I tried apt-get updrade dist (etc) the other day to go to 5.10 but it just hosed gdm and some other stuff.
[12:00] <crimsun> it was a config decision early in the devel cycle. Dapper has voluntary preempt enabled currently, however.
[12:00] <all> NoobieDoobieDo i could hardly care less!   seeing i use mdk not bunutu, but don't come in here trolling.    you are really showing you I.Q.  and not your age.     if you don't like it don't use it.    but leave the good people alone that do like it.
[12:00] <Terminus> crimsun, oh... i didn't know that had an effect on stability. that's one particular part of ubuntu that i don't like right now, it performs like XP under heavy load. :(
[12:00] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : if you see how I started the chat I'm asking for COMMENTS / SUGGESTIONS. Not trolling.
[12:00] <n0dl> how do i download things when i use links?
[12:01] <crimsun> Terminus: no, we err on the side of stability
[12:01] <all> you got them.  now stop trolling and leave.
[12:01] <NoobieDoobieDo> all : who made you IRC god. get real.
[12:01] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: / all: quit it, please.
[12:01] <n0dl> does anyone know how to use links or any text-based browsers?
[12:01] <nomed> crimsun, could you just check if you have a link to /etc/init.d/usplash in any /etc/rc*?
[12:01] <Terminus> crimsun, well, i learned something new from you today. nice to hear it's enabled by default on dapper though. i don't like recompiling kernels but i do know how. :)
[12:01] <crimsun> NoobieDoobieDo: if it's an issue, feel free to recompile your own linux-image with the appropriate config changes.
[12:01] <NoobieDoobieDo> n0dl: yes.
[12:02] <n0dl> NoobieDoobieDo,  how do i download things using a textbased browswer like links
[12:03] <crimsun> nomed: sure, it's /etc/rc2.d/S98usplash for instance
[12:03] <NoobieDoobieDo> n0dl: navigate to the DL link and select it, it should prompt you with a `popup window` at that point.
[12:03] <n0dl> ok
[12:04] <nomed> crimsun, yes i have the same ...
[12:05] <nomed> but i would expect even an rcS.d/S00usplash-start :)
[12:05] <crimsun> nomed: so what's the issue?
[12:05] <nomed> i can't really figure out this issue
[12:05] <nomed> crimsun, when init start the splash stops
[12:05] <nomed> untill it's in initramfs everything is fine ...
[12:05] <NoobieDoobieDo> ahh I just saw you can apt-get install Xubuntu ... im going to try that.
[12:05] <nomed> no progress but i suppose this is normal
[12:05] <crimsun> nomed: that's impossible, init starts way before usplash
[12:06] <nomed> init start when run_init is called within initramfs
[12:06] <crimsun> right, usplash isn't even in the picture at that point
[12:06] <nomed> usplash bin is in initramfs too
[12:07] <crimsun> of course, it needs to be.
[12:07] <nomed> so ...
[12:07] <crimsun> I don't even know what your symptoms are
[12:07] <nomed> usplash stop after run_init
[12:08] <crimsun> please be more explicit
[12:08] <nomed> crimsun,
[12:08] <nomed>  grep run-init /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
[12:08] <crimsun> what about it?
[12:08] <nomed> after that my splash is gone
[12:08] <nomed> i haven't any splash after run-init
[12:08] <crimsun> replaced with what?
[12:09] <nomed> nothing
[12:09] <crimsun> a black screen?
[12:09] <nomed> i see tty with "running runlevel ...   [ok] "
[12:10] <nomed> as if in cmdlibe there was no splah specified
[12:10] <all> crimsun i think nomed is saying, at boot time he gets this pretty picture but it leaves and this ugly text is displayed before gdm starts and gives another pretty picture.   so the thing must be broken cause he saw text for 20 seconds at startup.
[12:10] <nomed> cmdline
[12:10] <crimsun> is it the only kernel image in menu.lst?
[12:10] <[Jonne] > is there a way to turn off the system beep?
[12:10] <nomed> all, you got it
[12:10] <nomed> fiuu
[12:11] <nomed> crimsun, no
[12:11] <[Jonne] > I turn off sound especially to not annoy others, but every time i screw up in the terminal, my box beeps
[12:11] <crimsun> nomed: which is it?
[12:11] <nomed> the default for ex
[12:11] <all> the internal speaker [Jonne]  ?
[12:11] <nomed> anyway it doesn't work with any ..
[12:11] <crimsun> nomed: meaning it's the first one?
[12:11] <nomed> yes
[12:11] <nomed> and with the second is the same
[12:12] <crimsun> have you regenerated it?
[12:12] <crimsun> it won't work with the second one unless you pass splash to it
[12:12] <nomed> crimsun, i think it not kernel related
[12:12] <dpro\\> hey guys!
[12:12] <nomed> if it was i couldn't see the picture at all
[12:12] <crimsun> no, have you regenerated the initramfs linkage
[12:12] <crimsun> presuming it's the current kernel, ''sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)''
[12:12] <dpro\\> i would like to know if you (yes you!), know a good wireless network sniffer/configuration tool
[12:13] <crimsun> dpro\\: kismet is nice imo
[12:13] <nomed> crimsun, that will rebuild the initramfs
[12:13] <nomed> and the usplash is working there
[12:13] <crimsun> nomed: right, that's what I asked.
[12:13] <dpro\\> kismet, okay... it also works with 54mbps networks?
[12:13] <[Jonne] > all, yes
[12:13] <crimsun> dpro\\: it doesn't care what network it is
[12:13] <nomed> my problem arrives after run-init
[12:14] <dpro\\> crimsun, okay, sounds pretty neat, i will try that when i come home...
[12:14] <crimsun> nomed: I presume you're running Breezy?
[12:14] <nomed> yes
[12:14] <Ubuntu-NewBie> hi
[12:14] <all> actually [Jonne]  i've heard that there is.  but don't ask me how.    i just unplug mine from the board.
[12:14] <[Jonne] > i can't really open up my computer
[12:14] <Ubuntu-NewBie> i cant play DVDs, and the (regionset) in the ubuntu website didnt work.. i dont know the region number or smth like that, could anybody help me please?!
[12:15] <crimsun> nomed: got your /var/log/dmesg posted?
[12:15] <Terminus> ubotu, tell Ubuntu-NewBie about restrictedformats
[12:15] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  i went there dude.. i dont know whats the region number for my drive!
[12:15] <n0dl> how do i type in w3m?
[12:15] <n0dl> i mean input
[12:15] <n0dl> text
[12:16] <rambo3> i
[12:17] <all> n0dl you can set the hot key,  i think the default is I
[12:17] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, regions are ugly. i think you can only change that four times in the drive's firmware.
[12:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, yea but what can i do other than that
[12:18] <rss> Terminus, mailed.
[12:18] <n0dl> all: taht isnt it
[12:18] <rambo3> does vlc work ubuntu-newbe?
[12:19] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, strip the code i guess. i'm not knowledgeable enough about the topic to actually guide you through.
[12:19] <all> ?
[12:19] <Terminus> rss, cool. where're you from btw? :)
[12:19] <rss> Terminus, India
[12:19] <all> n0dl man w3m
[12:19] <Terminus> rss, i remember when she busted her ipaq from all the bootloader tweaking. hehe
[12:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  all right, but thanks man
[12:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> !
[12:19] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Ubuntu-NewBie
[12:19] <n0dl> oh i found it
[12:20] <all> n0dl what is it ?
[12:20] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, maybe doom9.org will help you.
[12:20] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, ok its not ejecting
[12:21] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, tried typing eject in the console?
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  it sais invalid argument!
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> no
[12:21] <Ubuntu-NewBie> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[12:22] <rss> bye all
[12:22] <rss> Terminus, bye
[12:22] <all> by
[12:22] <Terminus> rss, bye.
[12:22] <rss> all, :D
[12:23] <dpro\\> have fun
[12:23] <rambo3> do not install ubuntu into airplanes like f16 f15
[12:23] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, maybe it was automounted bye gnome. minimize all windows, check if it's on your desktop. if so, right click and unmount/eject.
[12:23] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, its not
[12:23] <Terminus> errr... s/bye/by/
[12:23] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok... that's weird. make sure you're not using that FS when you try to eject.
[12:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  whats FS?
[12:24] <Terminus> FS = File System.
[12:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> well Terminus yes i am
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus,  there's no such thing as unmout when i right click on it..!!
[12:25] <Terminus> it won't eject if you're in the mount point for the dvd and stuff.
[12:25] <rambo3> how about using terminal
[12:25] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, there should be an eject i think.
[12:25] <all> rambo3 no i would think that might be the place for windows 2k
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, yea it gives me the error!
[12:25] <all> or i mean me
[12:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Invalid Argument
[12:25] <Terminus> rambo3, wouldn't eject. maybe because gnome volume manager mounted it.
[12:26] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, errr... i thought you said that was the error that `eject` gave you from the console.
[12:26] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, same on as the console man.. Invalid Argument
[12:27] <dpro\\> also when you try to force it?
[12:27] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie did you try adding the device ?      eject /dev/hd?      or eject /dev/scd#  ?
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, how can i force it..
[12:28] <dpro\\> try sudo eject --force /dev/whatever it is
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, it was working a second ago
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> but it stopped after i did that
[12:28] <n0dl> is anyone here good with links?
[12:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> region number thingy
[12:28] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, what does `sudo fuser /dev/$dvd` say? replace $dvd with the actual device.
[12:28] <all> n0dl what ya need ?
[12:29] <all>  any1 know how i can find the dir mysql resides in?
[12:29] <n0dl> all: why cant i view ssl scripts?
[12:29] <all> url ?
[12:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, how can i know whats the drive name?
[12:30] <dpro\\> what is it that you want to eject?
[12:30] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, the DVD drive but i dont know its name
[12:31] <all> s/name/address/ ^
[12:32] <n0dl> all: www.tuxmagazine.com
[12:32] <n0dl> im trying to go the download section but it wont let me
[12:32] <n0dl> it says something about not being able to access taht script
[12:32] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, so?
[12:32] <n0dl> like SSL or TSL or seomthing liek that
[12:33] <all> i don't know n0dl i got it just fine.
[12:33] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, try to look in /media
[12:33] <dpro\\> and tell what is in there
[12:33] <all> it's ssl but links opened it ok for me.
[12:34] <Ubuntu-NewBie> cdrom cdrom0 cdrom1
[12:34] <n0dl> all: did you sudo apt-get links or did you make it from source
[12:34] <n0dl> im not sure which version i have
[12:34] <dpro\\> try, ls -l
[12:35] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, ok alot of things showed
[12:35] <all> well n0dl i 'urpmi links '  as root.  but that is because i'm on mdk not ub.  :)
[12:36] <n0dl> all: wait i found it... appeartenly i didnt get the libssl package
[12:36] <n0dl> awkard
[12:36] <Ubuntu-NewBie> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo fuser /dev/cdrom
[12:36] <all> and n0dl it is not an issue of not haveing the latest.  my links is ' Links 2.1pre2'
[12:36] <Ubuntu-NewBie> /dev/cdrom:          28792 28933
[12:36] <n0dl> *awkward
[12:37] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\,  u see that?
[12:37] <dpro\\> looks like its /dev/cdrom
[12:37] <Ubuntu-NewBie> yup
[12:37] <dpro\\> then try sudo eject --force /dev/cdrom
[12:38] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, eject: unrecognized option `--force
[12:38] <Mr_J_> Hi
[12:38] <Mr_J_> I have a problem with using twinview.
[12:39] <Mr_J_> I think it comes from me not defining "nvAGP" "2"
[12:39] <Mr_J_> which I'm not sure I have to since my card is PCI-E
[12:39] <Mr_J_> that only applies to AGP cards. right?
[12:40] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, still here man?
[12:40] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, can you please paste the result of `mount` in a pastebin?
[12:40] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, then try sudo eject -v /dev/cdrom
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, i type mount in console?
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, yeah worked ;)
[12:41] <Ubuntu-NewBie> do i have to do it like that all the times?!
[12:42] <all> no
[12:42] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, oh... it worked already. nevermind. hehe. :)
[12:42] <all> only if something is bork
[12:42] <all> or is that borked ?
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> okay now
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> it didnt eject again
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> thats stupid :s
[12:43] <dpro\\> sounds strange
[12:43] <dpro\\> Ubuntu-NewBie, did you unmount it?
[12:43] <all> looks like gnome has the device set incorrectly.
[12:43] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok, type `mount` in a console and paste the results. looks like eject is getting confused because you have two drives.
[12:43] <dpro\\> with umount /dev/cdrom
[12:43] <dpro\\> ?
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> dpro\\, whats mount and unmout man i dont know a thing
[12:43] <Ubuntu-NewBie> ok where can i pastE?
[12:44] <Terminus> !paste
[12:44] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[12:44] <Mr_J_> pastebin.com
[12:45] <Ubuntu-NewBie> okay Terminus http://pastebin.com/435455
[12:45] <krage> hi i need to edit xorg.conf from the terminal (can't load x) how do I do it?
[12:45] <pinkisntwell> i'm downloading the livecd to test ubuntu for my hardware. if i decide to install, will i have to download the install cd too?
[12:45] <dpro\\> with
[12:45] <dpro\\> nano krage
[12:46] <krage> dpro\\: ?
[12:46] <dpro\\> yeah with nano
[12:46] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, ok... that's funny. it's not listed as mounted so you should be able to eject it.
[12:46] <krage> okey :)
[12:46] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Guys its not ejecting anythign!!! not only that cd.. any cd i try to put its not ejecting
[12:46] <dpro\\> or do you need to get out in the terminal
[12:46] <krage> no its okey, i just read you wrong :P
[12:46] <krage> thx
[12:47] <krage> :)
[12:47] <Ubuntu-NewBie> does it have to do anything with changing the region number or smth?
[12:47] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie can you also paste your fstab
[12:48] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all,  bash: fstab: command not found
[12:48] <drcode> hi all
[12:48] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, long shot, and i know this is not the linux way, but maybe it'll work if you'll reboot. maybe the OS got confused because the firmware changed or something. i'm just guessing at this point.
[12:49] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie can you also paste your fstab  'cat /etc/fstab '
[12:49] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, http://pastebin.com/435459
[12:49] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, according to a quick google, there're two common reasons. 1. your cd drive is broken
[12:49] <Terminus> 2. the cd youre trying to use has an error
[12:50] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Terminus, il try rebooting if it doesnt work
[12:50] <Ubuntu-NewBie> no its not :P
[12:50] <all> ok one more thing   'ls -l /dev/cdrom '    and the one line of out put you can put in here.
[12:51] <all> ^ Ubuntu-NewBie
[12:52] <Terminus> Ubuntu-NewBie, well, you can try `eject /dev/hdc` and `eject /dev/hdd`
[12:52] <all> yeah i'm looking for where that symlink is pointing.
[12:52] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all, lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-11-17 21:26 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[12:52] <all> k
[12:54] <all> hmmm if changing the firmware didn't confuse gnome (which i'm not a gnomer) then i don't see the reason for an error....
[12:54] <Terminus> all, funny though... mount says it's not mounted.
[12:54] <Terminus> and i doubt it's because he edited mtab.
 go ahead and reboot as if you were in that other os.
[12:55] <aftertaf> reedit it then
[12:55] <J_Element> hello , can any one help me install my sound card driver ...
[12:55] <J_Element> i cant seem to know how ...
[12:55] <Terminus> aftertaf, that was just theoretical. i don't think he actually edited it. :)
[12:56] <all> Terminus aftertaf if it was mounted tho he could see files on the disk
[12:56] <rambo3> any ides on a ftp client with good gui?
[12:56] <aftertaf> J_Element:  what card?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> rambo3: gftp is OK
[12:57] <aftertaf> rambo3:  loads of em, open synaptic and search ftp
[12:57] <J_Element> sound card built in , ! intel 915 GAV
[12:57] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie  you still here ?     'ls /media/cdrom0 '
[12:57] <J_Element> realtek or some thin like that
[12:57] <aftertaf> J_Element:  what does lspci show you?   paste to pastebin
[12:57] <thoreauputic> rambo3: the nautilus file manager can do ftp too (and is installed by default)
[12:57] <Terminus> rambo3, even nautilus will work.
[12:57] <all> Ubuntu-NewBie ?
[12:58] <rambo3> and firefox will work too, i just asked for one good gui
[12:58] <J_Element> what do u mena ?
[12:58] <J_Element> mean*
[12:58] <thoreauputic> rambo3: well, try gftp then
[12:58] <aftertaf> rambo3:  kbear
[12:58] <J_Element> 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definiti on Audio Controller (rev 03)
[12:58] <rambo3> yeah thx thor
[12:59] <all> J_Element it means run the command 'lspci '  and paste the output in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:59] <J_Element> what do mean ?
[12:59] <all> nm i see
[01:00] <J_Element> ok
[01:00] <J_Element> i did that ! but how do i get steps into installing the card driver
[01:01] <all> J_Element aftertaf is probably working on it, give him a minute
[01:02] <J_Element> k
[01:02] <thoreauputic> J_Element: it's probably installed already - have you tried running the mixer ? ( double click the loud speaker icon and check for muted channels, or run alsamixer in a terminal )
[01:02] <J_Element> i cant see the mixer thingie :S
[01:03] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[01:03] <all> then try the terminal command
[01:03] <thoreauputic> J_Element: OK open a terminal and type "alsamixer"
[01:03] <J_Element> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:03] <J_Element> yeah ! im not that kinda idiot :D
[01:04] <all> what kind ?
[01:04] <thoreauputic> J_Element: any output from  "  lsmod | grep snd  " ? (Don't paste it here)
[01:04] <aftertaf> type 'aumix'
[01:04] <J_Element> no output
[01:04] <all> aftertaf not installed by default
[01:05] <J_Element> aumix : bash: aumix: command not found
[01:05] <thoreauputic> J_Element: did you try   lsmod | grep snd   ?
[01:05] <aftertaf> ok, do we test a mixer or see if the soundcard is recognised by his box .... ?
[01:05] <J_Element> yeah
[01:05] <J_Element> no output
[01:05] <aftertaf> which is an answer ;)
[01:06] <all> check for card
[01:06] <thoreauputic> J_Element: OK you haven't got a driver loaded :|  Next step
[01:06] <J_Element> k
[01:06] <thoreauputic> cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:06] <aftertaf> `6og:  hard to autotab your nick kaiser ;)
[01:06] <J_Element> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[01:07] <thoreauputic> what ?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> weird
[01:07] <J_Element> yepp :D
[01:07] <`6og> aftertaf: lol. yeh. it's a neat one like that ;)
[01:07] <all> me either and my sound work
[01:07] <aftertaf> J_Element:  type cat proc/a  then use tab to complete it
[01:08] <aftertaf> make sure you have one ;)
[01:08] <J_Element> lol
[01:08] <J_Element> its not working :D
[01:08] <aftertaf> cat /proc/a   i meant. forgot the w00t slash
[01:08] <all> apm is all i have in /proc/a
[01:08] <aftertaf> !info asound
[01:08] <J_Element> yeah ...
[01:09] <J_Element> no sound was found ! it showed a list
[01:09] <krage> is there any place I can download ubuntu Breezy | not the Breezy Badger
[01:09] <aftertaf> i dont have apm. i have acpi
[01:09] <aftertaf> krage:  makes 0 sense, its the same thing
[01:10] <all> krage i didn't know there was a just breezy  ????
[01:10] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: apm suggests it's an old box, does it not?
[01:10] <aftertaf> J_Element:   try sudo modprobe soundcore
[01:10] <krage> okey, then i am wron agein :P
[01:10] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  hehe the one that is old and obsolete, i NEVER manage to remember which one it is. acpi is good, right? newer one
[01:10] <J_Element> nuttin
[01:11] <aftertaf> krage:  never mind. we all learn ;)
[01:11] <aftertaf> J_Element:  good thing that.... if nuttin then no error returned.
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: acpi is newer, not nesesarily "good" :)
[01:11] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: yes - my old pentium 200 needed apm - this one has acpi :)
[01:11] <J_Element> yeah
[01:11] <smo> thoreauputic, I don't think ICH6 (his intel southbridge) is a terribly old chipset .. my board at home uses it, and it's a sata/pci-express/etc gizmo board
[01:11] <krage> *having trubel getting ubuntu on my laptop* and the "manual" on the net it only stand Breezy so i was thinkin it was an older verion
[01:11] <thoreauputic> smo: OK - informative
[01:13] <all> krage no it is a bad habbit around here to leave the last part of the name off.     like hoary     or breezy         they are really hoary hedgehog    and breezy badger
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> all: they are realy ubuntu 5.04 and ubuntu 5.10 ;)
[01:13] <J_Element> aftertaf, got any sol'
[01:14] <krage> yea but the man who wrote the "manual" is to did write ubuntu gnu/linux so when he deid take the gnu part, he also should take the badger :P
[01:14] <all> Kamping_Kaiser that would be the release but the names i said....
[01:15] <all> krage or the release number   yes
[01:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> all im sorry
[01:18] <Ubuntu-NewBie> back niow
[01:19] <J_Element> ubotu, sound driver
[01:19] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, J_Element
[01:19] <J_Element> !ubotu, sound driver
[01:19] <J_Element> ubotu, tell J_Element  about sound driver
[01:19] <aftertaf> J_Element:  ok, now try cat /proc/asound/cards again
[01:19] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, you here??
[01:20] <aftertaf> J_Element:  you can /msg ubotu sound too
[01:20] <sexcopter8000m> hi, does anyone know of any ntp servers in germany, or where i can find ntp servers?
[01:20] <J_Element> cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory
[01:20] <J_Element>  /msg ubotu sound
[01:20] <intelikey> yeah Ubuntu-NewBie ?
[01:21] <aftertaf> J_Element:  debugging sound pbs
[01:21] <J_Element> what ?
[01:21] <thoreauputic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:21] <aftertaf> type aplay -l
[01:21] <thoreauputic> ^^
[01:21] <aftertaf> -l = L in small
[01:21] <aftertaf> not one
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, i cant play DVDs!
[01:22] <aftertaf> !restricted
[01:22] <ubotu> I guess restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> intelikey, it Totem locks up
[01:22] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  see that link ^^^^^^^^
[01:22] <Pygi> ubuntu-newbie you need to install codecs to play DVD
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Pygi, i installed all the codecs in that site
[01:22] <intelikey> !codecs
[01:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> i still cant play.. the program freezez
[01:22] <Ubuntu-NewBie> *freezes :P
[01:23] <J_Element> ....
[01:23] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  did you turun the libdvdcss script too?
[01:23] <Ubuntu-NewBie> turun?
[01:23] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  try with xine   (turun == run with wrong letters on the front )  ;)
[01:24] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, im not getting this
[01:25] <Pygi> go here : ubuntuguide.com
[01:25] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  try using xine. see if it freezes too, if it does, its a system problem, if not then a totem bug
[01:25] <Pygi> you will see how to play dvd's
[01:25] <aftertaf> nooooooooooooo ubuntuguide is badd
[01:25] <Pygi> or install codecs
[01:25] <Pygi> well, for him it's good
[01:25] <aftertaf> lol
[01:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, okay
[01:25] <Pygi> not funny, not funny at all :)
[01:25] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  never had much luck with totem myself
[01:25] <Ubuntu-NewBie> Xine is better?
[01:26] <aftertaf> 1st step is to eliminate the software
[01:26] <aftertaf> imho yes
[01:26] <aftertaf> by far
[01:26] <intelikey> Ubuntu-NewBie i cant play dvd's either, but i think i know the reason i can't.   i have no dvd drive. ;/           about all i'm good for on this will be helping you get the disk out of the tray.
[01:26] <Astxist> I use mplayer myself but yeah totem not so good for me
[01:26] <aftertaf> ununtor mplayer too, that rox too
[01:26] <aftertaf> what IS wrong with my kb today?
[01:26] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  or mplayer too, that rox too
[01:26] <intelikey> pebkac
[01:26] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, i have mplayer how can i open the dvd with it?
[01:27] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  i believe the gui has a menu option for reading dvdZzz
[01:27] <Pygi> ah :P
[01:28] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, there's a billion files in the DVD how do you know which one to play man
[01:28] <intelikey> well the drive mouted ok.
[01:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> oh okay
[01:29] <Ubuntu-NewBie> MPlayer didnt work either
[01:29] <foxgamer> Hi all. I am having a few errors on my partitions and was wondering what my options would be. I want to keep the files that I have. Thanks
[01:30] <Greedyb> hey guys I just installed Ubuntu on another computer of mine and I'm having problems getting a VERY hold graphics card to work.  Its a 3dfx card.  I downloaded the glide libraries but dont know what to do from there...
[01:30] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  ok next step is test a different dvd
[01:30] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, done that already, same thing
[01:31] <aftertaf> Greedyb:  hmm startx throws an errer?    try typing sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:31] <intelikey> foxgamer that is really not much to work with.    i'd say copy the files to cd that way you can keep them.
[01:31] <foxgamer> intelikey: Thanks. How about the settings? Can these be transferred across when I re-install?
[01:31] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  erf ok. are you sure your dvd player does work physically?
[01:31] <aftertaf> (i know, but better to be sure)
[01:32] <Ubuntu-NewBie> aftertaf, yea.. 100%
[01:32] <Greedyb> ok thanks, I'll try that
[01:32] <drcode> why this dosnt save the mount
[01:32] <drcode> /dev/hda3       /mnt               fat32    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0
[01:32] <Greedyb> say I'm in X how do I get out and stay in that same ttyl
[01:32] <Greedyb> ?
[01:32] <xxvii> alright.. i'm pissed.. i can't find w32codecs, libdivx4linux, vorbis-tools, or libdvdcss2.. which repositories do i need in my sources.list?
[01:32] <aftertaf> Greedyb:  ctl+alt+F1  keeps X running
[01:33] <intelikey> foxgamer if you have a running sustem i would try to make a tar ball of the files you want to keep and burn that to disk, that will preserve any permissions and ownership.
[01:33] <J_Element> aftertaf:
[01:33] <aftertaf> xxvii:  lol, but language ;)   universe + multiverse
[01:33] <J_Element> any solutions for my sound card issue ?
[01:33] <aftertaf> J_Element:  modprobe soundcore again? does it say anything this time?
[01:33] <xxvii> aftertaf, shouldnt the repos you gave me earlier work.. (this is krow, had to change name)
[01:34] <aftertaf> Ubuntu-NewBie:  weird....
[01:34] <aftertaf> lol xxvii ok, it should yeah. did you change dapper to breezy in the lines though?
[01:34] <xxvii> aftertaf, yup
[01:35] <intelikey> foxgamer then you can just untar off the cd to the new partition.     alternatively if there is room on an hd you could make a partition on there and use it for the interum,  then after reinstalling mount it on /home    or something along that line.
[01:35] <aftertaf> xxvii:  my bad.... codecs not there any more, legal reasons
[01:35] <aftertaf> !w32codecs
[01:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[01:35] <aftertaf> !dvd
[01:35] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:35] <aftertaf> for xxvii and Ubuntu-NewBie ^^^^^^^
[01:35] <aftertaf> !info libdivx4linux
[01:36] <thoreauputic> things are pretty slow in here today...
[01:36] <xxvii> aftertaf, thanks
[01:36] <smo> drcode .. in the line you pasted, fat32 needs to be replaced with vfat
[01:36] <thoreauputic> maybe I should do something exciting like /exec -o dmesg and get myself kicked
[01:37] <J_Element> nuttin
[01:37] <lexhider> how do use the ubuntu-calendar package?
[01:37] <aftertaf> xxvii:  vorbis-tools is in main repository
[01:37] <foxgamer> intelikey: Okay. Thank you. My system is working (just) so I'll give that a go. :)
[01:38] <aftertaf> J_Element:  can you paste the output of dmesg to pastebin?
[01:38] <intelikey> drcode as smo said ^  also if you want that to be user accessable you might add umask=0
[01:38] <aftertaf> thoreauputic:  can you solve dvd & soundcared issues?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> aftertaf: not often ;-)
[01:39] <foxgamer> intelikey: I see what you mean. Thank you. Much appreciated.
[01:39] <intelikey> np
[01:39] <aftertaf> i need a cigarette!
[01:39] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[01:39] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[01:40] <xxvii> i need a smoke too.. but i'm not goin to smoke til i get DVDs playin
[01:40] <intelikey> quiting smoking are we ?
[01:40] <drcode> thanx man
[01:41] <drcode> I put my had "why it dosnt work..."
[01:41] <xxvii> haha
[01:42] <thoreauputic> hah - the /topic in #debian now says " Please note: this is not #ubuntu. "
[01:42] <thoreauputic> truer words were never spoken....
[01:43] <kevor> lol
[01:43] <`6og> yeh, i had a lol as well ;)
[01:43] <xxvii> oh man.. how do i install a .deb file in terminal?
[01:43] <xxvii> sudo apt-get install isn't working
[01:43] <thoreauputic> xxvii:  sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[01:43] <J_Element> aftertaf,  i just did
[01:43] <xxvii> ooh, thanks
[01:44] <intelikey> aptitude , apt-get install , dpkg -i    take your pick.
[01:44] <xxvii> dpkg -i worked.. thanks guys
[01:44] <rohan> hi all
[01:44] <xxvii> hola
[01:45] <intelikey> hi
[01:45] <rohan> can anyone suggest a black looking theme for ubuntu ? i dont like brown much :)
[01:45] <rohan> intelikey: hi :)
[01:45] <intelikey> it just doesn't have the same effect with this nick.
[01:45] <rohan> intelikey: ?
[01:45] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: that debian topic is realy shows how much ubuntu is popular
[01:45] <thoreauputic> rohan: google for  "Leech" or searchfor it on gnome-look.org
[01:46] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: yes , it does :)
[01:46] <rohan> thoreauputic: thanks a lot :)
[01:46] <onkarshinde> Will ubuntu kill debain? (I mean decrease popularity of debian)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> rohan: it's *very* black :)
[01:46] <J_Element> any p2p file sharing software for ubuntu ?
[01:46] <rohan> thoreauputic: i want black windeco, but whiite window-insides :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: we hope not, since ubuntu uses it
[01:47] <rohan> onkarshinde: not possible. *many* people still prefer debian :) ;)
[01:47] <thoreauputic> rohan: ah, that's different - look for metacity themes then
[01:47] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: In what terms Ubuntu depends on Debian?>
[01:47] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok.
[01:47] <intelikey> onkarshinde in a small way i suppose it has decresed deb's activity
[01:47] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: all kinds of terms
[01:47] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: each ubuntu release uses a snapshot of debian sid
[01:47] <rohan> onkarshinde: ubuntu is based on debian
[01:48] <rohan> thoreauputic: no results for "leech" on gnome-look
[01:48] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, btw
[01:49] <thoreauputic> rohan: do you want black insides of windows? If not, forget Leech
[01:49] <rohan> thoreauputic: no, i want to look at leech too :)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> rohan: you need a window manager theme - hence my advice to look for metacity themes
[01:49] <rohan> thoreauputic: and i would be thankful if you give me to a black metacity theme :)
[01:50] <onkarshinde> rohan: Not black but one named alphacube looks cool (at least from screenshots)
[01:50] <rohan> onkarshinde: *looks*
[01:50] <thoreauputic> rohan: I can dcc you my copy of Leech if you like
[01:50] <intelikey> hmmm i thought gnome was supposed to be configurable,  change it to suit self.
[01:50] <rohan> thoreauputic: yes, please :)
[01:51] <smo> rohan; it's been renamed to black-knight, so their search function doesn't find it because he term 'leech' was moved to the changelog; http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13339
[01:51] <IOU|Laptop> wow, this ubuntuguide is handy
[01:51] <thoreauputic> rohan: hang on - I need to tarball it
[01:51] <intelikey> right click anywhere should always get a menu and configure should be in the menu  :)
[01:51] <rohan> smo: thanks
[01:51] <intelikey> oh that is kde mintality, sorry.
[01:52] <rohan> thoreauputic: waiting
[01:52] <rohan> IOU|Laptop: the faq guide, yes ?
[01:52] <IOU|Laptop> yeah, its so handy
[01:52] <intelikey> !ubuntuguide
[01:52] <ubotu> somebody said ubuntuguide was out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[01:52] <intelikey> IOU|Laptop ^
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> lol
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> it works fine for my breezy
[01:53] <IOU|Laptop> had no problems yet
[01:53] <thoreauputic> rohan: untar it in ~/.themes
[01:53] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok.
[01:54] <thoreauputic> or just drag it onto the themes dialogue
[01:54] <rohan> thoreauputic: you didnt gzip it, and named it .tar.gz :D
[01:55] <thoreauputic> rohan: ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[01:55] <thoreauputic> rename it then
[01:55] <rohan> thoreauputic: no problem :) file rules
[01:55] <intelikey> .tgz no work ?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> intelikey: nah I made a mistake is all
[01:56] <intelikey> oh,  that's one thing i like about console; you can name a file bob and tar still knows what to do with it.    tar -xzvf bob
[01:56] <Ubuntu-newbie> intelikey, its not working man.. the dvd thingy i rebooted
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: untarring to ~/.themes , it doesnt show up in "Theme Preferences" and drag-and-drop says invalid file format.
[01:57] <loufoque> well actually you're telling tar it is a tgz
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: but i am downloading new version, the renamed one :)
[01:57] <intelikey> not working is very broad
[01:57] <intelikey> care to narrow that a little ?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> rohan: odd, works OK here
[01:57] <rohan> thoreauputic: some dcc bug probable
[01:58] <rohan> *probable
[01:58] <onkarshinde> Does the redmond95 theme imitates Win XP interface?
[01:58] <thoreauputic> rohan: maybe
[01:58] <rohan> gah ..
[01:58] <thoreauputic> cd
[01:58] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:58] <thoreauputic> oops
[01:58] <intelikey>  !enter
[01:58] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[01:58] <intelikey> lol
[01:59] <thoreauputic> intelikey: you win  :D
[01:59] <intelikey> i wasn't sure if that would take not being the first char.
[02:00] <thoreauputic> tar: Leech/gtk-2.0/icons: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 10:00:00
[02:00] <thoreauputic>   <<-- interesting ...
[02:00] <thoreauputic> implausible indeed, not to say impossible
[02:00] <rohan> ;p;
[02:00] <rohan> lol
[02:00] <[Jonne] > it probably means a unix timestamp of 00...000
[02:00] <`6og> hm. not bad
[02:00] <intelikey> cmos error ?
[02:01] <`6og> just found a computer here with an Intel chip labeled 1978 :O:O
[02:01] <intelikey> or just a clock reset ?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> [Jonne] : yes, that's the beginning of Unix time ;)
[02:01] <`6og> UNIX epoch 1st jan 1970 :|
[02:02] <Ubuntu-newbie> !enter
[02:02] <ubotu> please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[02:02] <rohan> anyone know of a black metacity theme ?
[02:02] <Ubuntu-newbie> !help
[02:02] <Roane> rohan > Tactile ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> rohan: another one yucan try is "Aero"
[02:03] <thoreauputic> *you can
[02:03] <rohan> Roane: *checks*
[02:03] <rohan> thoreauputic: lol
[02:03] <thoreauputic> rohan: seriously
[02:03] <intelikey> rohan don't make me install gnome.   tell me you can change the color of things in there ?
[02:03] <rohan> intelikey: no. kde is far better in that respect, i agree.
[02:04] <onkarshinde> rohan: Yours is also an Indian name. Are you indian?
[02:04] <rohan> onkarshinde: yes. you are marathi :)
[02:04] <rohan> i am a gujju.
[02:04] <Marlun> what does it mean that a package is "virtual" in the aptitude package list?
[02:04] <rohan> thoreauputic, Roane : aero or tactile doesnt turn up any results on gnome-look
[02:04] <onkarshinde> rohan: And where do you leave?
[02:04] <rohan> onkarshinde: mumbai. you ?
[02:05] <intelikey> Marlun that's a good question.  i been wondering that too.
[02:05] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Virtual packages try to provide a way for installing all packages related to particulat application.
[02:05] <Roane> rohan > try on www.gnome.org
[02:05] <onkarshinde> rohan: Pune
[02:05] <rohan> onkarshinde: oh, ok.
[02:05] <thoreauputic> rohan: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=gnome+theme+Aero&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[02:06] <intelikey> what is a vertual package ?
[02:06] <onkarshinde> intelikey: Read my response
[02:06] <intelikey> i don't see one.
[02:06] <Marlun> onkarshinde: hmmmm, so for example gdm2 is a virtual package, which could provide a way to install packages related to gdm?
[02:06] <intelikey> oh
[02:07] <Marlun> onkarshinde: because if I try aptitude show gdm2, I get the response: State: not a real package
[02:07] <drcode> hi all
[02:07] <Roane> Hi :)
[02:07] <drcode> any one know why it dosnt mount me after reboot
[02:07] <drcode> I have fstab
[02:08] <intelikey> in other words, a virtual package is really just a package list that depends on all that it lists.
[02:08] <intelikey> ?
[02:08] <drcode> /dev/hda3       /mnt            vfat    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:08] <drcode> it dosnt mount me /dev/hda3
[02:08] <intelikey> drcode needs 'auto' to automaticly mount
[02:09] <drcode> where?
[02:09] <rohan> no,
[02:09] <rohan> intelikey: it doesnt.
[02:09] <Marlun> intelikey: is it not a package list that some other program depends on?
[02:09] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Perhaps I am confused with meta package. What I said is definition of meta package. For example OpenOffice.org2
[02:09] <intelikey> defaults,auto,....
[02:09] <rohan> intelikey: no, it is automatically mounted. if noauto is given, then it is not mounted.
[02:09] <Marlun> onkarshinde: oh, then we are back where we were before :P
[02:09] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I suppose virtual package help upgrading from one version to another when packages names have been changed
[02:10] <intelikey> rohan there is auto and noauto
[02:10] <angelaus> Hi allll
[02:10] <rohan> intelikey: but auto is not needed.
[02:10] <drcode> I Will try to reboot
[02:10] <angelaus> I am using kubuntu breezy
[02:10] <angelaus> wantto install azureus.
[02:10] <rohan> intelikey: check you fstab, is there auto anywhere ?
[02:10] <angelaus> but apt-cache does not find it. I have universe and multiverse in sources
[02:11] <intelikey> yes
[02:11] <Marlun> onkarshinde: if there were a gdm version 2, then I could understand that there could be a virtual package which helped you upgrade from  version 1 to 2, but now there only seems to be gdm, and gdm2 is a virtual package?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> !azureus
[02:11] <ubotu> from memory, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[02:11] <onkarshinde> Marlun: let me check out
[02:11] <Marlun> onkarshinde: ok ;) thanks
[02:11] <intelikey> rohan /dev/hdc1 /disks/disk vfat defaults,auto,user,umask=0 0 0
[02:12] <onkarshinde> Marlun: where did oyu find this virtual package?
[02:12] <rohan> intelikey: strange, here, it mounts automatically without "auto"
[02:12] <intelikey> default is normally +auto
[02:13] <intelikey> yes i agree.
[02:13] <Marlun> onkarshinde: ehmm I just did aptitude search gdm
[02:13] <onkarshinde> Marlun: Are you on breezy?
[02:13] <Astxist> anyone happen to know a good spot to get gnome themes?
[02:14] <onkarshinde> Astxist: gnome-look.org
[02:14] <Marlun> onkarshinde: yes
[02:14] <intelikey> i'm gona slide for a while.  see y'all!
[02:14] <Astxist> thanks onkarshinde
[02:14] <angelaus> thoreauputic: thanx alot
[02:14] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I don't see any gdm2 package in breezy. Searched on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:15] <drcode> wow
[02:15] <drcode> thanx all
[02:15] <drcode> working like a charm
[02:15] <drcode> now one more qustion
[02:15] <drcode> I want to backup my entire linux into image
[02:15] <drcode> I saw that ghost can do image for linux
[02:15] <rohan> drcode: read up on "partimage"
[02:15] <thoreauputic> angelaus: no worries :)
[02:15] <drcode> but it as also boot cd ?
[02:16] <drcode> so I can boot and restore?
[02:16] <drcode> thanx
[02:17] <Marlun> onkarshinde: hmmmm weird
[02:17] <Roane> Someone can tell why i'm always disconnected from only this channel after some time ?
[02:18] <Roane> this chan don't like registered people ? :p
[02:18] <obsvuugj> Roane> ptet trop longtemps idle..
[02:18] <Marlun> onkarshinde: maybe because its virtual? =P
[02:18] <Roane> (you are on an english chan obsvuugj :p)
[02:18] <obsvuugj> Roane> i know :D
[02:18] <Roane> Marlun > Ok. I agree :D
[02:18] <xxvii> thank you lords of programming for the blessing called Ogle.. i can play DVDs finally
[02:18] <Roane> :)
[02:19] <Astxist> xxvii, amen ;)
[02:19] <rohan> how do i view all the packages available in a certain repo ? (backports, in this case)
[02:19] <onkarshinde> Marlun: I will try to search it in apt when I go home. Is it exactly 'gdm2'?
[02:19] <xxvii> :)
[02:19] <Roane> Astxist, don't say this kind of words, everybody don't have faith in god :p
[02:19] <thoreauputic> rohan: no breezy backports yet as far as I know
[02:19] <Roane> Say "ubuntu" instead :D
[02:20] <Astxist> lol
[02:20] <Marlun> onkarshinde: yes :)
[02:20] <onkarshinde> rohan: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <Marlun> Roane: agree with what? =)
[02:20] <xxvii> lol
[02:20] <rohan> thoreauputic: they are avaialable now. atleast the repo is open.
[02:20] <Roane> Marlun > we're in a virtual world, we can be disconnected :p
[02:20] <rohan> onkarshinde: that wont include backports
[02:21] <thoreauputic> rohan: ah, OK
[02:21] <onkarshinde> rohan: There is a selection list below.
[02:21] <rohan> onkarshinde: *checks*
[02:21] <thoreauputic> rohan: I would just go to the url and browse - can't be much there yet
[02:21] <Roane> Ubuntu is the real god, forget the others :o
[02:21] <onkarshinde> rohan: you can specify any or all distros
[02:21] <rohan> thoreauputic: ok...
[02:21] <Marlun> Roane: hehe, thats dangerous :P
[02:22] <rohan> gah.. the repo is open, but no packages in breezy backports
[02:22] <redxninja> ubuntu is for nOOb
[02:23] <rohan> redxninja: and you represent all the n00bs / advanced users out there ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> redxninja: hrrm... troll elsewhere please
[02:23] <Astxist> I thought it was for humans ;p
[02:23] <`6og> redxninja: what do you use?
[02:23] <Roane> (i hope my english is good, i do the best i can)
[02:23] <MachineScrew> redxninja: or people who want a usable desktop fast
[02:23] <leagris> ho do you setup email client to use in Firefox for "Send Page by email" or "Send URL by email" ?  My current setup launch Evolution but Id like it to launch Thunderbird instead ?
[02:24] <jbroome> Astxist: nice :)
[02:24] <redxninja> ubuntu is soo easy to setup that is why it is for n00b
[02:24] <Roane> Huh ... remove evolution and reinstall thunderbird ? XD
[02:24] <MachineScrew> leagris: go to system and then pref
[02:24] <MachineScrew> and then Preffered apps
[02:24] <onkarshinde> redxninja: you are right. But there is very less percentage of geeks in this world. And we need to pull noobs towards Linux
[02:24] <thoreauputic> redxninja: and why the developers use it, no doubt
[02:24] <leagris> MachineScrew, current destop is Kde
[02:24] <MachineScrew> damn
[02:25] <MachineScrew> ok
[02:25] <Astxist> onkarshinde, most certainly
[02:25] <redxninja> my first linux was gentoo...my god
[02:25] <MachineScrew> well its still controled by the same app if you have gnome installed
[02:25] <Roane> redxninja, tell what you want, ubuntu is a goodn distro. Use gentoo and don't disturb us :o
[02:25] <redxninja> i use both
[02:25] <Astxist> I tried many other distros before Ubuntu and it just works, this I approve of :)
[02:25] <redxninja> ubuntu for my sister and gentoo for me
[02:25] <onkarshinde> leagris: Perhaps there is something in System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
[02:25] <MachineScrew> redxninja: I don't have the attention span for 3 things Gentoo FreeBSD and RPG's
[02:26] <Roane> (gentoo is good too, but too long to install, just to win a few seconds :o)
[02:26] <MachineScrew> redxninja: all to slow to get moving
[02:26] <redxninja> yea gentoo take a long to install
[02:26] <Amaranth> Roane: Actually usually those compiler flags make things slower
[02:26] <thoreauputic> OK all gentoo/BSD etc discussions to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:26] <redxninja> but I have no life so I tried gentoo
[02:26] <leagris> Kde system prefs says Kmail as default mail client
[02:26] <Roane> Amaranth, i don't know, i've never ended a compilation :p
[02:27] <redxninja> Gentoo is for peeps with no life
[02:27] <onkarshinde> Ubuntu is moving fast towards out of box usbility. (I won't talk about multimedia)
[02:27] <MachineScrew> change it to mozilla-thunderbird
[02:27] <Astxist> thoreauputic, ok no problem
[02:27] <Roane> redxninja, i'm agree :)
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> ask the lawyers when you can talk about multimedia.
[02:27] <Dr_Willis> :P
[02:27] <onkarshinde> leagris: If you are on kubuntu then try asking on #kubuntu
[02:27] <Roane> I think debian and ubuntu are the best distro for a server and desktop use :)
[02:27] <leagris> 7 years using Linux and enable to find how to do basic stuffs like this. Still some hard work on desktop distro on the way ;o)
[02:27] <thoreauputic> redxninja: warning: you started this and it's of-topic - please move to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> personally, the only advantages place i've found gentoo in, is our game server farm :)
[02:28] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: ya gstreamer sucks much ass
[02:28] <redxninja> ok sorry
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> works a treat :)
[02:28] <Astxist> thoreauputic, could I suggest putting that in the topic, unless there's an alternative way to find out about the channel?
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> for everything else, Debian/Ubuntu Server
[02:28] <leagris> thanks onkarshinde
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: try a server install
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Astinus: it often gets mentioned :)
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: then apt-get the packages you want
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Astinus: and nobody reads the topic anyway *grin*
[02:28] <MachineScrew> redxninja: its what i did for e17
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> haha
[02:28] <Taliesin-laptop> so true
[02:29] <MachineScrew> redxninja: I didn't want gnome
[02:29] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: I said I don't want to get into multimedia discussions. If it was possible for me, I would buy every audio CD I want and rip into ogg
[02:29] <Astxist> heh I do ;p
[02:29] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: i aggree
[02:29] <Roane> i did. All my cds are encoded to ogg :D
[02:29] <redxninja> never use e17 before
[02:29] <MachineScrew> redxninja: check it out its awsome
[02:30] <MachineScrew> eye candy galore and 6% mem usage of 512MB
[02:30] <onkarshinde> Roane: In India a audio CD is still very costly as compared to mp3s (those you get mostly free ignoring all the legal and moral issues)
[02:30] <Roane> I don't have mp3
[02:30] <Astxist> onkarshinde, plenty of free (legal) music on the net
[02:31] <Taliesin-laptop> libogg 4 ever :>
[02:31] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: my problem with gstreamer isn't mp3 its just a genral thing
[02:31] <redxninja> there is a site called ubuntu.org
[02:31] <morphix> hehe .. paying for mp3s.. who would :P
[02:31] <Roane> I was using just cds with windows, and since i use linux, i use ogg by ripping my cds
[02:31] <morphix> i either buy the cd.. then rip it to mp3.. or download it..
[02:31] <redxninja> but the real ubuntu site is ubuntulinux.org
[02:31] <MachineScrew> redxninja: ya whats your point
[02:32] <Roane> morphing > you should try ogg, quality is better than mp3 at same bitrate :)
[02:32] <Roane> (average bitrate i mean)
[02:32] <onkarshinde> Roane: It will be funny for you people but when I bought 'Monsters Inc.' DVD (original and legal) my friends laughed at me, because I could get a pirated one at 1/5 th of the cost
[02:32] <MachineScrew> Roane: ya but mp3 you have to admit plays on mostly every thing
[02:32] <Roane> onkarshinde, which country ?
[02:32] <onkarshinde> Roane: India
[02:33] <Roane> Ok...
[02:33] <redxninja> most peeps I know dont know what ogg is
[02:33] <MachineScrew> Roane: you have to look realy hard to find an ogg compatible player
[02:33] <Roane> There's a lot of pirated stuff in India ?
[02:33] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: xine is better as compared to gstreamer. Let's hope that it improves.
[02:33] <Astxist> redxninja, yeah :/
[02:33] <Roane> MachineScrew, yes, but it exists. :)
[02:33] <Roane> And it's not expensive :)
[02:34] <MachineScrew> Roane: thats not enough if linux is going to succeed on the desktop
[02:34] <evansbee> how would i go about installing blackbox in ubuntu
[02:34] <evansbee> there's no entry for it in apt
[02:34] <MachineScrew> you can't just tell people to switch because its better
[02:34] <Astxist> MachineScrew, if Ubuntu can get me on nix it's off to a good start :)
[02:34] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: Why do we care if people switch?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> !info blackbox
[02:34] <ubotu> blackbox: (Window manager for X), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.70.0-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 367 kB, Installed size: 1172 kB
[02:34] <redxninja> try fvwm if you dare
[02:34] <Astxist> blackbox! used to use that on windows
[02:34] <thoreauputic> evansbee: enable the universe repo
[02:35] <evansbee> how do i go about that?
[02:35] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: Look for iriver
[02:35] <thoreauputic> !tell evansbee about repos
[02:35] <evansbee> heh, thanks very much
[02:35] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:35] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: thats the whole reson i though ubuntu and others make it easy
[02:35] <obsvuugj> in moscow (I lived there when I was small) there was a market where they sold illegall stuff in fornt of the cops and they didn't say anything. like a playstation game fo less than 1 :O
[02:35] <evansbee> :-P
[02:36] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: If people use it, cool. Otherwise, I'm not here to make everyone like what I like and take over the world.
[02:36] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: yes iriver 100 bucks plays 512MB of music
[02:36] <redxninja> who finance ubuntu develoment anyway
[02:36] <onkarshinde> Roane: Lot of pirated stuff in India. Prople think that when they buy PC (even non-branded ones) OS comes with it.
[02:36] <onkarshinde> redxninja: Cannonical
[02:36] <MachineScrew> MP3 CD player plays 700MB or so
[02:36] <Amaranth> redxninja: Canonical
[02:36] <MachineScrew> and its 50 bucks
[02:36] <obsvuugj> redxninja> Mark Suttelworth :)
[02:36] <Roane> Amaranth, that's the meaning of free. free to use linux or not. I just made a suggestion, nothing else :p
[02:37] <MachineScrew> thats not what I meen
[02:37] <Astxist> heh whoever does the free cds for ubuntu I need to thank
[02:37] <redxninja> well ubuntu is hiring engineers
[02:37] <redxninja> sounded like redhat
[02:37] <MachineScrew> also DVD players MP3s Car Stereos MP3
[02:38] <Roane> Astxist > i commanded breezy cd, they're not here yet :p
[02:38] <Roane> 1 month ago :p
[02:38] <Archite> so pissed off. I've spent the last 12 hrs trying to get spell checking to work in OpenOffice. Blah!!! hehe.
[02:38] <MachineScrew> more devices play mp3s than ogg
[02:38] <Astxist> Roane, I got mine pretty quick
[02:38] <Roane> 2 weeks yet i think
[02:38] <Roane> Astxis > which country ?
[02:38] <Astxist> I almost fell over didn't actually expect it too come
[02:38] <obsvuugj> Archite>lool
[02:38] <Archite> I assume it's an amd64 issue
[02:38] <MachineScrew> I am still waiting
[02:38] <Astxist> Roane, Australia
[02:38] <obsvuugj> Archite> the amd64 version suck soo bad..
[02:39] <Astxist> I still have the parcel I'm going to keep it forever
[02:39] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: And you will have to wait long till DVD players play theora movies.
[02:39] <Archite> I think that's linux in general, my friend obsvuugj ;)
[02:39] <redxninja> obsvuugj: nope
[02:39] <Roane> Astxist > you're lucky, i'm in france, and i'm still waiting for :p
[02:39] <Archite> if BSD ran well on my laptop.... :)
[02:39] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: ya but they play divx files
[02:39] <obsvuugj> Archite> well I had the amd64 version inhoary and nothig worked
[02:39] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: and wma
[02:39] <Archite> obsvuugj: Hory was horrible
[02:39] <Astxist> the 6.10 version I think it is is going to be supported for a long time right?
[02:40] <Archite> obsvuugj: I'm either going 32-bit or going back to debian.
[02:40] <MachineScrew> but ya I orderd my Horay CDs in June didn't get them untill august
[02:40] <redxninja> 64-bit ubuntu works great for me
[02:40] <onkarshinde> MachineScrew: Its not hard to talk about freedom (of choice) and principles for them. It is hard to fight for it.
[02:40] <Archite> redxninja: can you spell check in OpenOffice?
[02:40] <redxninja> yea
[02:40] <Archite> blahhhhhhh
[02:40] <Archite> hehe
[02:40] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: yes it is
[02:40] <Archite> redxninja: I've gone through two installs trying to get it to work
[02:41] <obsvuugj> redxninja>maybe it is better in breezy because in the hoary amd64 there were not even Mpayer...
[02:41] <onkarshinde> Archite: And what did you try to install?
[02:41] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: one how to said you should not use Mp3 use ogg instead don't watch CSS DVDs
[02:41] <redxninja> obsvuugj: why reinstall to fix just only that?
[02:42] <Archite> Well, at first I just tried the default install, no luck. Then I installed all the aspell packages for my language. That worked great from command line and Abiword, but nothing from OO
[02:42] <MachineScrew> onkarshinde: that was a Offical Fedora site that said it and not in a fourm
[02:42] <Astxist> MachineScrew, heh that's not very practicle ;)
[02:42] <Archite> the language pack for en_us is already installed in OO
[02:43] <MachineScrew> Astxist: yet in order to play that content like mp3s wmas and CSS we now become criminals
[02:43] <MachineScrew> the whole thing makes me sick
[02:43] <redxninja> wma is a gay codec
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Archite: the spell packages for OOo are the myspell packages
[02:44] <Amaranth> redxninja: ...
[02:44] <thoreauputic> !gay
[02:44] <MachineScrew> redxninja: may be gay but alot of people use it
[02:44] <Roane> redxninja > no but it's not open :o
[02:44] <redxninja> ok sorry gay people
[02:44] <onkarshinde> Astxist: I dont' know why do you need to install anything extra for spellcheck?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> !+gay
[02:44] <ubotu> gay is, like, the dictionary says "Excited with merriment; manifesting sportiveness or delight; inspiring delight; livery; merry."  But some people don't know what it means, I guess  Some highly ignorant folks think it's an insult of some sort.  Who can tell why?
[02:44] <redxninja> wma sucks
[02:45] <Roane> it's better than mp3 in terms of quality :)
[02:45] <MachineScrew> redxninja: yes it dose and as well as other propritary formats
[02:45] <onkarshinde> Astxist: Did you install myspell-dictionary?
[02:45] <Roane> but it's not open and that's the things which(who?) suxx :p
[02:45] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: I thought it ignored + now.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: hmm apparently not
[02:45] <MachineScrew> MS sucks for not makeing it open
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I think it depends ... not sure how
[02:46] <redxninja> and so is wmv
[02:46] <Amaranth> They suck becuase they don't give you free stuff?
[02:46] <ompaul> MachineScrew, no, they just help people make their mind up about exactly what their game is
[02:46] <Amaranth> err, because
[02:46] <redxninja> they suck because I say so
[02:46] <onkarshinde> Amaranth: Not about Free stuff, Open Protocols, open codecs etc
[02:46] <Archite> thoreauputic: where were you earlier? hehe. That worked like a charm. Seams kinda foolish that wasn't installed with OO
[02:47] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: no because I am a pirate if I wan't to watch a wmv
[02:47] <Archite> thoreauputic: But what should I expect when most other packages are half-ass packed anyways :(
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Archite: odd - it was on my system
[02:47] <Archite> at least it work snow
[02:47] <Archite> thoreauputic: I installed twice, and it was missing bother times
[02:47] <Marlun> Someone who knows why the dialog that shows whats loaded when you login to Ubuntu gets stuck on the desktop? As soon as I open a application it disapears, but it's still annoying. (I did a server-install and manually installed gnome)
[02:47] <Archite> maybe bad cd?
[02:47] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: I don't use windows they expect people to use there stuff only
[02:47] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: You're breaking several laws when you download, distribute, or use w32codecs, yes.
[02:47] <thoreauputic> Archite: possibly - I don't know
[02:47] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: yes I know
[02:47] <Archite> thoreauputic: either way, I have some respect for Ubuntu agian :)
[02:47] <redxninja> why does synaptic soo slow at searching apps?
[02:48] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: and thats my point
[02:48] <thoreauputic> Archite: glad to hear that :)
[02:48] <Archite> redxninja: just use `apt-cache search`
[02:48] <Amaranth> redxninja: You're searching name and description. If you search just name it's fast.
[02:48] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: I am not doing any thing bad I just wana enjoy a movie trailer or two
[02:48] <thoreauputic> Marlun: did you install ubuntu-desktop ?
[02:48] <redxninja> ok ic
[02:48] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: I am not developing wepons of mass destruction
[02:49] <Marlun> thoreauputic: nope
[02:49] <Archite> MachineScrew: Why not? It's fun!
[02:49] <thoreauputic> Marlun: well might i suggest you do so ?
[02:49] <Marlun> thoreauputic: And I didn't want to since it will install more then gnome, I only want gnome and then install every other app myself.
[02:49] <MachineScrew> Archite: this is serious
[02:49] <Amaranth> dang, Archite beat me to it :)
[02:49] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: i don't get it
[02:49] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: Nothing is serious.
[02:49] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: I am
[02:49] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: Unless you make it serious. Then you get ulcers and grey hair.
[02:49] <Archite> Amaranth: Death and taxes
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Marlun: ah OK - well when you do a bare install like that you will need to do some work to find the packages you need I guess
[02:50] <MachineScrew> Amaranth: Look I don't like people dictating what I can and cannot do
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Marlun: I did the same with my old box, but I only used fluxbox, not gnome
[02:51] <MachineScrew> if I cut mp3s out of my system it would be like taking keyboard away
[02:51] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah, well it doesn't give me an error or anything it's like it's done but it's not removed :)
[02:51] <Archite> thoreauputic: fluxbox, sweet;)
[02:51] <Archite> MachineScrew: Convert them all to ogg
[02:51] <Marlun> thoreauputic: don't even know what fluxbox is =) I'm new to linux/ubuntu
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Archite: I like it :)
[02:51] <Archite> Marlun: Fluxbus is a minimalist window manager
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Marlun: it's a fast light window manager
[02:51] <MachineScrew> Archite: ya ok what about streams
[02:51] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: mp3 decoding is patent infringement, but the company that owns it only wants a license for encoding
[02:52] <MachineScrew> Archite: convert those to ogg
[02:52] <Amaranth> MachineScrew: so you're more or less in the clear using gstreamer-mad
[02:52] <MachineScrew> Archite: I am poor I can't afford these 100 mp3 players
[02:52] <Archite> MachineScrew: I'm not big on streaming myself.
[02:52] <redxninja> I still use cd player :(
[02:52] <Archite> MachineScrew: I'm sure there are some players than can do ogg though.
[02:52] <Marlun> thoreauputic: well it's not that I need very lightweight stuff, I just wanted to learn by installing everything myself and also I wanted to only have the things I need and want installed and not alot of other things.
[02:53] <MachineScrew> Archite: not in the $50 range
[02:53] <MachineScrew> Archite: I have looked
[02:53] <Archite> Marlun: You might want to try regular debian, in that case. Much simpler to get the base system set up
[02:53] <thoreauputic> Marlun: well i guess you are learning at least :)
[02:53] <Archite> Marlun: just install x-window-system-core x-window-system and your choosen window manager
[02:53] <MachineScrew> right now I have an MP3 cdplayer
[02:53] <Roane> you can do a ubuntu install in server mode :)
[02:54] <Marlun> thoreauputic: hehe yea, and I can live with it, after all it is removed instantly when I open a application.
[02:54] <MachineScrew> why should I go out and spend money
[02:54] <Marlun> Archite: Thats what I've just done with Ubuntu, why change to Debian? =)
[02:54] <MachineScrew> MS was right Linux people also make you spend money
[02:55] <MachineScrew> any one realize I am below poverty level
[02:55] <Archite> Marlun: because the x-window-system package is missing in Ubuntu, meaning you have to instal all the packages by hand
[02:55] <wmealing_> out of interest, anyone know how to install libmultisync-plugin-all from the funky package management tool ?
[02:55] <wmealing_> i have done it by hand, but maybe i missed something
[02:55] <Amaranth> Archite: Or, you know, just install ubuntu-desktop or xserver-xorg
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Archite: erm, no it isn't
[02:55] <Roane> MachineScrew, i'm under too and i don't complain :p
[02:56] <MachineScrew> I use linux and free software so I speend less money now you tell me to get an expensive ogg player
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Archite: ah sorry you are right - it's only x-window-system-core
[02:56] <Marlun> Archite: I got some help with this yeasterday and we came to the conclusion that after server-install I only need to install "x-window-system-core" and "gdm" and maybe "xserver-xorg".
[02:56] <Roane> MachineScrew, it's not expensive, it's the same price
[02:56] <Archite> Amaranth: Marlun was talking about stripping out all junk he doesn't use. Install ubuntu-desktop defeats that purpose
[02:56] <Roane> and it plays mp3 too, for the most of the players :)
[02:57] <MachineScrew> Roane: whats the same price
[02:57] <Marlun> Archite: I don't know if that works since I have not reinstalled again, however I didn't install much more then that yeasterday and the computer is up and running.
[02:57] <Roane> a player with mp3 and ogg
[02:57] <Archite> Marlun: sweet ;)
[02:57] <Roane> you just need to find one :)
[02:58] <Archite> Marlun: Basically, if I want gnome, I use Ubuntu. Anything else, I usually go to debian testing.
[02:58] <MachineScrew> Roane: you are telling me I can get a portibale ogg player for 50 buck or less and store 600+MB on it
[02:58] <Roane> I think it exists yes :)
[02:58] <Marlun> Archite: my only problem is that the stupid dialog gets stuck after login, but as I said is removed instantly when i open a application, so it's just annoying.
[02:58] <MachineScrew> Roane: no it dosn't I looked
[02:58] <Marlun> Archite: I do want gnome.
[02:58] <MachineScrew> Roane: there are none
[02:59] <Roane> http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Productinfo.aspx?ProductID=8491
[02:59] <Archite> Marlun: so, the gnome dialoge stays up you mean?
[02:59] <Roane> 512Mo
[02:59] <Roane> i have the same without ogg support
[02:59] <Marlun> Archite: plus that Firefox seemed to get installed without me installing it =) don't know where it came from but it seemed to apear after I installed gnome-terminal :P
[02:59] <Roane> same price
[02:59] <Roane> i gave it to my sister
[02:59] <Archite> Marlun: well, firefox is part the the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:59] <Marlun> Archite: I have not installed ubuntu-desktop
[02:59] <Archite> MachineScrew: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
[03:00] <Roane> Marlun > it's installed by default
[03:00] <Archite> MachineScrew: all players that support ogg
[03:00] <MachineScrew> ok look
[03:00] <thoreauputic> Marlun: probably pulled in as a dependency for something else
[03:00] <MachineScrew> Roane: I have never heard of those people
[03:00] <Archite> I kinda wish ubuntu used epiphany as the default. I think it's so much quicker
[03:00] <Marlun> Yeah, how can I check that? aptitude depends mozilla-firefox? *tests*
[03:01] <MachineScrew> and 50 pounds is like 65 dollars
[03:01] <Marlun> whatsw epiphany?
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Marlun: no, you want reverse depends I think
[03:01] <Archite> Marlun: it's the default browser for gnome, normally
[03:01] <MachineScrew> why I HAVE A MP3 CD PLAYER ALREADY
[03:01] <thoreauputic> MachineScrew: no caps please
[03:01] <thoreauputic> bad manners...
[03:02] <Marlun> Archite: so I gets installed when I install gdm?
[03:02] <MachineScrew> am I just supposed to throw it away just because ???
[03:02] <Archite> Marlun: no
[03:02] <Marlun> Archite: oh sorry
[03:02] <Roane> MachineScrew, you just bought your player without thinking to the new codecs which can appear :)
[03:02] <thoreauputic> MachineScrew: chill
[03:02] <Marlun> Archite: I mixed things upp ;P firefox and epiphany
[03:02] <redxninja> stop talking about mp3
[03:02] <topyli> Archite: i love epiphany, but i wish it would support a few nifty mozilla extensions
[03:02] <topyli> Archite: like flashblock and such
[03:02] <Archite> topyli: Yeah, I know what you mean. But it's so much faster;)
[03:02] <MachineScrew> Roane: no I bought because I can go in to a store an buy it
[03:03] <MachineScrew> Roane: I don't have a bank account or a credit card
[03:03] <Archite> topyli: of course, I'm screwed. I have to run web browsers in 32-bit chroot, so they'll all pretty much slow
[03:03] <Roane> I can buy ogg players in france. i don't know where you live, so i can't speak for your country ...
[03:03] <MachineScrew> Roane: I am in the US
[03:03] <Roane> And you don't fond ogg players ?
[03:03] <Roane> *find
[03:04] <MachineScrew> no
[03:04] <Marlun> Archite: however, I'm trying to build a shell script, which I can run after server-install which will install all the apps I want :)
[03:04] <Roane> do you live in the middle of the nevada ?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Marlun:  apt-cache rdepends mozilla-firefox
[03:04] <MachineScrew> Roane: I am also in a city that dosn't know what tech is
[03:04] <Roane> Oh, tha t explains ^^'
[03:04] <MachineScrew> Roane: when I was in the bay area maybe
[03:04] <Marlun> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[03:04] <Archite> MachineScrew: hehe
[03:04] <Roane> Which state ?
[03:05] <Archite> MachineScrew: you're in cali too?
[03:05] <MachineScrew> but right now I can walk my ass across the streat and goto walmart and get a $29 mp3 cdplayer
[03:05] <wmealing_> bluetooth, ubuntu .. anyone ?
[03:05] <MachineScrew> Archite: was ..
[03:05] <Archite> MachineScrew: ahh. I'm Stockton, if you know where that is
[03:05] <Marlun> thoreauputic: the only thing which seems like it could be the one in my case is "gnome-app-install".
[03:05] <MachineScrew> I now am in Macon, Georgia
[03:06] <MachineScrew> ya I do
[03:06] <thoreauputic> Marlun: possible - dunno
[03:06] <MachineScrew> Archite: I was in SanJose Cupertino area
[03:06] <Archite> MachineScrew: Georgia is an interesting place. I once went to Heinsville... so different than Cali
[03:06] <Archite> MachineScrew: that's like 45 mins away
[03:06] <MachineScrew> Archite: rednex galore no tech jobs
[03:06] <thoreauputic> Marlun: that's the click 'n drool front end for synaptic ;)
[03:06] <Archite> MachineScrew: heh
[03:06] <MachineScrew> I am stuck slinging meat for a living
[03:07] <Marlun> thoreauputic: "A pretty application installer for GNOME" :P
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Marlun: actually it's rather well done so I didn't mean to dis it :)
[03:07] <Archite> MachineScrew: sound illegal
[03:07] <Greedyb> hey whats the command to reconfigure xserver.. I just installed a new video card on a machine
[03:07] <Archite> Greedyb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:07] <MachineScrew> Archite: fast food
[03:08] <Greedyb> thanks
[03:08] <Archite> Greedyb: np
[03:08] <MachineScrew> Archite: I left cali because I couldn't afford to pay rent out there
[03:08] <MachineScrew> here I can
[03:08] <Archite> MachineScrew: yeah, my 2 bedroom apartment runs about $950
[03:09] <Archite> MachineScrew: but my brother, in Fremont, pays $1400 for a 1 bedroom
[03:09] <MachineScrew> I pay $329 for a studio thats with electric
[03:09] <Marlun> thoreauputic: hehe, well neither am I, I just want to know why firefox got installed ;P The thing is I do want it, but I don't want it to be installed by magic :P (I know dependencies, but still)
[03:09] <Archite> Marlun: Just ignore that it's there and use whatever else you like to use
[03:10] <MachineScrew> Archite: my parents are in TX and they are paying $512 for a 4 bedroom house
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Marlun: well, you can always install the binary from mozilla.org - but then the packaging system won't know about it
[03:10] <Archite> MachineScrew: That's it, I'm leaving, hehe
[03:10] <Amaranth> Marlun: gnome-app-install uses gecko (firefox rendering engine) to display things, iirc
[03:10] <Amaranth> so it needs firefox installed
[03:10] <Marlun> Archite: I don't want to ignore things, thats stupid, then everyone who complain about Microsoft's apps being inside windows by default can start ignoring it instead of complaining :P
[03:10] <MachineScrew> Archite: thats in San Antonio and the only tech there is RackSpace
[03:11] <Amaranth> btw, the package is 'firefox' in breezy, not 'mozilla-firefox'
[03:11] <Archite> Marlun: well, ubuntu is rather firefox intensive, I guess you could say, hehe.
[03:11] <Archite> Marlun: so you might run into issues trying to avoid it
[03:11] <MachineScrew> Archite: I applied there 5 times not even a screw of note
[03:11] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: interesting - mozilla-firefox still shows up in apt-cahe it seems
[03:11] <Marlun> Amaranth: ah, thats proberbly it ;)
[03:11] <MachineScrew> I would have stratend paper clips if they asked me to
[03:11] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: lazy packagers :)
[03:12] <Archite> heh
[03:12] <thoreauputic> ah - dummy transitional package :)
[03:12] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: and firefox Provides: mozilla-firefox so it still works
[03:12] <thoreauputic> right
[03:12] <Marlun> Archite: thats the thing, I don't want to avoid it, I love Firefox :P I just don't like things being installed automaticly, but I guess if it's like Amaranth said, it's ok, then I know why :)
[03:12] <MachineScrew> as it is though I can't even replace my cdrom drive
[03:13] <MachineScrew> on my laptop
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Marlun: the packaging system is pretty clever - there's usually a good reason ;)
[03:13] <Amaranth> ah, i see
[03:13] <Archite> Marlun: well, deb based systems are like that. They handle all depends. If you want to know exactly what is on your system, go with something like slackware where you have to compile most programs yourself.
[03:13] <Amaranth> gnome-app-install Depends: firefox | mozilla-firefox
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: yes , the rdepends showed that
[03:14] <thoreauputic> for firefox I mean
[03:14] <Laverne> Does anyone here have any experience with handling gnome profiles for users? I'm working on migrating our nt4 desktops to ubuntu and have looked at Sabayon but that seems to be too instable for my tastes
[03:14] <thoreauputic> or actually mozilla-firefox ...
[03:14] <Marlun> thoreauputic: for firefox too.
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Marlun: right - the two are linked by the dummy package
[03:15] <Marlun> So in my shell script I should use firefox instead of mozilla-firefox, even though they are linked? Since firefox is the right one? =)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Marlun: which is there for people like me who are used to it being mozilla-firefox (hence "dummy" )
[03:17] <Marlun> :)
[03:17] <Archite> thoreauputic: well, that's the debian default
[03:17] <Ubuntu-newbie> anybody knows a good mp3 to wav converter?
[03:18] <Marlun> and gnome-app-install was installed by gdm, right?
[03:18] <thoreauputic_> Ubuntu-newbie: audacity
[03:19] <kandoora_> i'm a bit obsessed with leaving junk, so when i install a package along with dependencies, how do i make sure when i remove the package everything is deleted?
[03:19] <Marlun> hmmm but it's not in gdm's dependencies.
[03:19] <Ubuntu-newbie> aight.. thanks dude
[03:19] <aftertaf> kandoora_:  choose the comptetely remove option
[03:19] <kandoora_> aftertaf, and that would solve everthing?
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> kandoora_: use debfoster or aptitude (not the ncurses crap btw)
[03:20] <kandoora_> Kamping_Kaiser, so aftertaf's solution is not right?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> kandoora_: aftertaf's solution will remove all config files etc, not dependancies
[03:20] <aftertaf> ooohhhhhhh dependencies
[03:21] <kandoora_> Kamping_Kaiser, i'm a noob with aptitude, how do i use it?
[03:21] <aftertaf> cheers kk
[03:21] <aftertaf> :)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> kandoora_: ditto ;)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:21] <thoreauputic> Marlun: gnome-app-install only reverse depends on edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop, afaics
[03:22] <thoreauputic> Marlun: apt-cache rdepends gnome-app-install
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> *accepts
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Marlun: what does   dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop  say ?
[03:23] <kandoora_> is there a howto on using aptitude
[03:23] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah, thats my problem ;P I saw that too, and since I have not installed ubuntu-desktop I'm confused :P
[03:23] <topyli> kandoora_: just run aptitude and press ? for help
[03:23] <thoreauputic> Marlun: does it show as installed ?
[03:23] <apokryphos> kandoora_: man aptitude
[03:23] <Marlun> thoreauputic: Nope, "no packages found matching ubuntu-desktop"
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Marlun: very odd :)
[03:24] <Marlun> thoreauputic: the only 2 apps I've installed after I got gnome working, is xchat and gnome-terminal.
[03:24] <infralite> Marlun: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. seems to be issues with nodes repos. stranee
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> *strange
[03:25] <Marlun> infralite: for what? =)
[03:25] <infralite> Marlun: do you have "universe" there?
[03:25] <infralite> and is that line uncommented?
[03:25] <Marlun> infralite: it's commented out, since I've not used/needed it yet.
[03:25] <kandoora_> apokryphos, is synaptics the gui alternative to aptitude
[03:26] <apokryphos> kandoora_: both aptitude and synaptic are front-ends to apt
[03:26] <infralite> Marlun: WELL, UNCOMMENT T AND TRY AGAN :p
[03:26] <infralite> err sorry
[03:26] <Marlun> infralite: try what again?
[03:26] <infralite> caps by mistake
[03:26] <Archite> kandoora_: simple answer, yes
[03:27] <infralite> Marlun: apt-getting ubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <infralite> sorry again btw
[03:27] <kandoora_> apokryphos, is it possible to use apt to completely uninstall dependencies or do i use aptitude
[03:27] <Marlun> infralite: I don't want the ubuntu-desktop! :P (don't worry)
[03:27] <infralite> oh heh
[03:28] <apokryphos> kandoora_: aptitude remembers what was installed simply to satisfy a dependency, while apt-get wouldn't, yes.
[03:28] <kandoora_> apokryphos, thanx a million
[03:28] <thoreauputic> infralite: ubuntu-desktop only depends on stuff in main anyway :)
[03:28] <topyli> infralite: ubuntu-desktop is hardly in universe. :) dpkg -l doesn't show it simply because it's not installed
[03:28] <Marlun> infralite: we are discussing why firefox got installed on my computer, we found that gnome-app-install depends on it, but gnome-app-install only depends on ubuntu-desktop and I've not installed ubuntu-desktop.
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Marlun: but did you install gnome-app-install or not?
[03:29] <topyli> Marlun: my gnome-app-install doesn't depend on ubuntu-desktop. it does depend on firefox though :)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: right
[03:30] <Archite> Marlun: gnome-app-install shows that in depends on mozilla-firefox, try using `apt-cache search gnome-app-install --full`
[03:30] <infralite> topyli: ah :) was just guessing
[03:30] <Marlun> hehe things are getting very messy :P
[03:30] <Archite> Marlun: it does not depend on ubuntu-desktop
[03:30] <topyli> i don't think anything depends on ubuntu-desktop
[03:30] <topyli> would be silly
[03:30] <Archite> topyli: heh
[03:31] <Archite> topyli: install would run in circles, hehe
[03:31] <Marlun> I'm confused, have done so many "depends" and "rdepends"
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Marlun: the dependencies calculations are complex -that's why you let the system do it for you ;-)
[03:31] <topyli> yes :)
[03:32] <Pegasos989> Could someone recommend me some decent password managing software? I don't need any top level security as it is for my personal mail accounts, etc. but still something better than just putting .txt to my desktop
[03:32] <Marlun> Ok heres the thing: 1. I installed server-installation. 2. Ljl helped me yeasterday and we got got gnome working. 3. I've only installed xchat and gnome-terminal after the gnome installation.
[03:32] <Marlun> I don't know if we installed something yeasterday when trying to get gnome to work, which may have installed gnome-app-install :)
[03:34] <Marlun> So, I'm going to do a reinstall of the computer and only installing (in order): 1. x-window-system-core 2. gdm 3. (maybe) xserver-xorg. The 3rd part was unsure because it was maybe installed by the other packages.
[03:34] <Marlun> Does that seem right? =)
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Marlun: if you install x-window-system-core it will pull in xserver-xorg
[03:35] <Marlun> thoreauputic: okey, thats what we (he) thought, so remove the 3rd step.
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Marlun: gnome-core might be the bare bones gnome I think
[03:36] <Marlun> thoreauputic: I believe we tried that :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Marlun: hah - you really like to make life difficult for yourself, don't you ? *grin*
[03:37] <Archite> Marlun: well, gnome-core will be a stripped down version
[03:37] <Archite> should work since that works on sid
[03:37] <Marlun> thoreauputic: I'm learning while doing it :P
[03:38] <Tom-W> hello
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Marlun: I know - and I thnk you'll have a good understanding by the time you get there - niceidea really
[03:38] <Marlun> Archite: So you say I could get a working gnome enviorment by changing 2nd step to installing gnome-core?
[03:38] <Tom-W> anyone here know how to merge a .diff file?
[03:38] <Archite> Marlun: should work
[03:39] <Marlun> Archite: :P hehe, we'll see. I hope all the reinstallation doesn't ware out the harddrive :P (sorry for the bad english)
[03:41] <Marlun> The worst part is selecting where I live, what language I want and the keyboard language everytime :P
[03:41] <Archite> Marlun: where you from?
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Marlun: of course, installing x-window-system-core will pull in bloated apps like xcalc and xeyes etc  *wink*
[03:42] <infralite> heh
[03:42] <Archite> thoreauputic: xeyes and xcalc rule!
[03:42] <Archite> hehe
[03:42] <mastertet> Hi, I have a centrino laptop under Breezy. I can see that my cpu is at 600 MhZ most of the time. Is there a way to force it to be 1400 MhZ whenever I want (for example, when I'm on ac adapter)? I see nothing about this in the cpufreq applet
[03:42] <Archite> mastertet: it's based on cpu load
[03:42] <thoreauputic> Marlun: *real* nerds don't install X at all!
[03:42] <infralite> haha
[03:42] <Juhaz> mastertet, there is
[03:42] <Marlun> thoreauputic: i want gnome :P
[03:43] <Archite> thoreauputic: My openbsd box has no X;)
[03:43] <thoreauputic> oops wrong nick sorry
[03:43] <hawking> how can i send whole directory with scp? there is no -R option
[03:43] <Tom-W> how do you merge a .diff file?
[03:43] <Archite> thoreauputic: pork for aim, irssi for irc, mutt for mail, lynx for browsing
[03:43] <mastertet> Juhaz, ? how ?
[03:43] <Archite> Tom-W: patch -p0 < file.diff
[03:43] <infralite> Archite: w3m !!!!!!
[03:43] <mjr> hawking, with the -r option, but I'd recommend rsync over it
[03:43] <Archite> infralite: w3m is too prone to crashing
[03:44] <hawking> -r is it
[03:44] <hawking> k
[03:44] <Archite> I do like w3m though
[03:44] <thoreauputic> Archite: ogg123 for music!
[03:44] <Archite> thoreauputic: I use madply, usually ;)
[03:44] <thoreauputic> or cplay and screen
[03:44] <Archite> forces me to be random
[03:44] <Archite> cplay is not very good on BSD since it likes to use linux sound system
[03:44] <infralite> Archite: :)
[03:44] <mastertet> What app do I need to specify the freq I want my CPU to be?
[03:45] <absenth> morning all.
[03:45] <Archite> mastertet: I'm not sure for you. I have an amd processor so I use powernowd. If I turn that off, I run at full speed. But that is most undesirable.
[03:45] <absenth> If I wanted to use ubuntu, with only xfce, would doing a server install, followed by an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop give me most of the same applications that I get using the standard install?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> absenth: yes
[03:46] <mastertet> Archite, thank you, I think it is desirable if you don't rely on battery
[03:46] <thoreauputic> absenth: well, you'd get sylpheed for mail etc
[03:47] <Archite> mastertet: anyways, killing powernowd should do the trick, or you can install cpufreqd
[03:47] <Juhaz> mastertet, it's rather complicated, basically there are few different "governors" built into kernel, as well as possibility to let userspace daemon handle it
[03:47] <LazyAngel> when i installed ubuntu, i chose UTF-8. Now i want to change it to ISO-8859-1. Where do i do that?
[03:47] <absenth> thoreauputic: that I can manage,  many thanks.
[03:47] <Archite> mastertet: trying rmmod cpufreq_userspace
[03:47] <EtnaRosso> mornig all, i need to install the dia utility
[03:47] <thoreauputic> absenth: apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop will tell you
[03:47] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: who set +r?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: not I
[03:47] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: -unregged had been +i  oO  Not sure how long it was like that....
[03:47] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: is nalioth about?
[03:48] <EtnaRosso> could anyone help me
[03:48] <EtnaRosso> ?
[03:48] <apokryphos> nope
[03:48] <thoreauputic> hmm
[03:49] <prodenter> helo ...
[03:49] <prodenter> are there any people who could help?
[03:49] <Archite> prodenter: help with what?
[03:50] <prodenter> I have to install Windows on my hard drive, cos the WLAN doesn't work ... now I need to resize my partition ... I got ubuntu 5.04
[03:50] <Archite> prodenter: have you tried ndiswrapper?
[03:50] <nalioth_zZz> thoreauputic: hello
[03:50] <prodenter> The programm "gpart" doesnt work
[03:50] <mdjake> prodenter: what kind of wlan card do you have?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> nalioth_zZz: hi
[03:51] <whyameye_1> I'm in trouble. My ubuntu Hoary boot hard disk won't boot. Says something about a super block. Can anybody help me? Trying to run fsck...
[03:51] <prodenter> It's inside my HP Compaq nx6110, I dont know exactly
[03:51] <Archite> prodenter: broadcom
[03:51] <Archite> I bet
[03:51] <prodenter> yeah ... me too
[03:51] <Archite> anyways, the broadcom works well with ndiswrapper
[03:52] <prodenter> but as I installed ubuntu the first time, it recognized it automaticly
[03:52] <Archite> just grab your windows driver, install ndiswrapper utils
[03:52] <prodenter> now I'm afraid that it's damaged
[03:52] <Archite> prodenter: well, if Ubuntu recognized it, then it's not a broadcom
[03:52] <Archite> could be an intel
[03:52] <whyameye_1> I've tried booting the Breezy LIVE CD and run fsck on my boot hard disk from there. I get "the superblock could not be read..." What do I do?
[03:52] <prodenter> it could be intel
[03:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: as soon as you did that a bot entered ;)
[03:53] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: buggers!
[03:53] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: losing battle I fear
[03:53] <kandoora_> apokryphos, do u use aptitude
[03:53] <prodenter> what about them? I just want to see, if Windows recognise it
[03:53] <prodenter> and for that I need to have space on my hard drive
[03:54] <hawking> where are the python modules located in linux?
[03:54] <apokryphos> kandoora_: sometimes
[03:54] <kandoora_> apokryphos, what do u normally use
[03:54] <apokryphos> kandoora_: apt-get/aptitude/adept/kpackage
[03:54] <kandoora_> apokryphos, synaptic?
[03:54] <kandoora_> or is that for noobs
[03:55] <prodenter> does anyone now, how I can install windows beside Ubuntu without loosing all my data?
[03:55] <apokryphos> kandoora_: not at all. I just tend to use kde/qt applications, and I prefer the way some of those front-ends handle things. Still, for the majority I just use apt-get/aptitude -- it's quicker.
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> defrag before install
[03:55] <Marlun> thoreauputic: theres, a fresh install done :)
[03:55] <prodenter> how can I defrag?!?
[03:56] <Marlun> Starting with x-window-system-core :)
[03:56] <kandoora_> apokryphos, do i need to worry about dependencies when uninstalling packages?
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> prodenter: <winkey>+R, type "defrag" IIRC
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> your the Windows user ;)
[03:56] <apokryphos> kandoora_: if you remove a package, regardless of what manager you use, it will remove all the packages that depended upon it
[03:56] <kandoora_> oh, ok
[03:56] <prodenter> I'm in ubuntu right now
[03:57] <prodenter> I dont have Windows installed
[03:57] <mastertet> hmm, breezy has the best laptop support I've seen in all the distro I tried over the years, it's just amazing! I guess it's all a question of kernel patching?
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> prodenter: ah ok. defraging could be interesting.... but the ntfs tools allow resizing, when your GAIM
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> *game
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :$
[03:57] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: defragging what?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> Marlun: sudo apt-get remove xeyes xcalc  ;-)
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> mastertet: lots of devs working realy hard
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: the Windows partition
[03:58] <Marlun> thoreauputic: what? =P
[03:58] <prodenter> I've got enough free space, but I can't resize the EXT2 partition
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Marlun: kidding
[03:58] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: in preperation for what?
[03:58] <Pegasos989> Why does http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ cover such an easy subject as changing the language? I know I must edit locals, but dunno how. Shouldn't that be a beginners' guide :/
[03:58] <prodenter> I dont have any NTFS Partition
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: resizing the partition
[03:58] <Marlun> Archite: Ok, going to step 2, your saying I should not install gdm, but install gnome-core instead, right? =P
[03:58] <thoreauputic> !ubuntuguide
[03:58] <prodenter> how?
[03:58] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[03:58] <nalioth> Pegasos989: please dont visit the ubuntuguide
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> then the standard kernel can resize it afaik
[03:59] <Pegasos989> :/
[03:59] <thoreauputic> !faq
[03:59] <ubotu> hmm... faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[03:59] <Marlun> thoreauputic: was getting nervouse you guys had come up with something new while I was away :P
[03:59] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: ntfsprogs requires no defragging prior to operations, according to their documentation
[03:59] <krage> what is the terminal command to deleta a file?
[03:59] <apokryphos> rm
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: realy? ok. never had to use them
[03:59] <thoreauputic> krage: rm
[03:59] <nalioth> ubotu: tell krage about cli
[03:59] <Pegasos989> Damn. That "breaks PCs" part might explain why in hell i can't start up synaptic package manager :D
[04:00] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: yes, their docs state that. also qtparted calles ntfsprogs, but gparted does not
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:00] <prodenter> Can anybody explain me how to resize my EXT3 Partition? Do I need to boot from a Live-CD?
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks nalioth, didnt know that
[04:00] <Archite> prodenter: you need to convert it to ext2 first, then resize
[04:00] <nalioth> prodenter: that would be the first step, yes.
[04:00] <Archite> prodenter: there are many site's that explain howto resize
[04:00] <Archite> prodenter: just google
[04:00] <Marlun> thoreauputic: gnome-core is a virtual package :P
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Archite: I think gparted can resize ext3
[04:00] <nalioth> prodenter: whatever you decide to do, you can't do partition operations on a mounted partition
[04:01] <prodenter> It could, but it's the active partition ...
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Marlun: and?
[04:01] <prodenter> YES, that my problem
[04:01] <nalioth> prodenter: get a Live CD
[04:01] <prodenter> active was the wrong word ... mounted
[04:01] <prodenter> and theres gparted included?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Marlun: apt-cache depends gnome-corre
[04:01] <thoreauputic> *gnome-core
[04:02] <mdjake> I'm experiencing with Gaim - used XChat before. I'd like to ask if I can search in the Channel List window as in XChat?
[04:02] <prodenter> Okey, and when I resize it, can I install Windows without problem in a new partition? they always say something about Master Boot Record
[04:02] <thoreauputic> prodenter: gparted is on the breezy live CD
[04:02] <Marlun> thoreauputic: I'm still not sure what virtual package was, a package list with dependencies that some other app needs? =)
[04:02] <nalioth> prodenter: gparted comes on the ubuntu livecd, yes
[04:02] <thoreauputic> Marlun: yes
[04:02] <prodenter> thank a lot
[04:03] <absenth> which kernel version is best for an Athlon 64, in 32bit ubuntu?
[04:03] <Marlun> thoreauputic: only got <gnome-core> back.. =) it doesn't depend on anything then?
[04:03] <thoreauputic> Marlun: a virtual package contains deps - so it will install what the command I gave you shows
[04:03] <Marlun> :P
[04:03] <prodenter> but I'm concerned if windows will fit in my new partition
[04:03] <Archite> absenth: 2.6.12
[04:03] <thoreauputic> Marlun: erm..
[04:03] <Archite> absenth: 2.6.14 is too buggy
[04:03] <thoreauputic> Marlun: it depends on a whole bunch of stuff
[04:03] <absenth> Archite: , sorry, meant architecture..  ie i686,
[04:03] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah, wonder if i did something wrong :)
[04:04] <Archite> absenth: you're going to run in 32-bit mode?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> Marlun:  apt-cache depends gnome-core
[04:04] <absenth> Archite: on this install, yes.
[04:04] <diubidone> How come when I want to remove totem it says it's going to remove ubuntu-gnome too'?
[04:04] <Archite> absenth: k8, but it really is not big difference
[04:04] <Marlun> thoreauputic: thats what I'm writing, getting "<gnome-core>" as result.
[04:04] <thoreauputic> diubidone: it's a meta package - are you on hoary or breezy?
[04:05] <absenth> Archite: not a big difference from i386, or from the 686
[04:05] <Archite> absenth: use 686
[04:05] <thoreauputic> Marlun: that isn't what I see here
[04:05] <apokryphos> diubidone: there is no such package
[04:05] <diubidone> breezy
[04:05] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: he means ubuntu-desktop I think
[04:05] <diubidone> oh sorry its ubuntu-desktop
[04:05] <apokryphos> !metapackage
[04:05] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[04:06] <Archite> absenth: actually, use linux-image-k7
[04:06] <Marlun> thoreauputic: argh... now what :P
[04:06] <Archite> absenth: it's compiled for amd
[04:06] <diubidone> is it safe to remove totem if it removes ubuntu-desktop?
[04:06] <apokryphos> diubidone: check what ubotu said. Note that the ubuntu-desktop pack will be required for when you upgrade
[04:06] <nalioth> diubidone: as long as you have "ubuntu-desktop" when dist-upgrading to the next version
[04:06] <Archite> absenth: arguable, it will help
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Marlun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4834
[04:07] <thoreauputic> Marlun: something odd with your sources perhaps?
[04:07] <_jason> good morning, does anyone know of a way to enable auto-repeat on specific mouse buttons?  or does anyone know of a program that can emulate a mouse button being pressed?
[04:07] <absenth> Archite: I'll give that a shot,  thanks.
[04:07] <diubidone> ok thx bye
[04:08] <trappist> _jason: you could bind a key to a mouseclick
[04:08] <Archite> absenth: in reality, it doesn't matter though, hehe. As long as it's not 2.6.14 ;)
[04:08] <nalioth> _jason: getting prepared for a quake-fest? lol
[04:08] <_jason> trappist, how would I do that?
[04:08] <Marlun> thoreauputic: weird, restared, testing again ;P (works on windows)
[04:08] <thoreauputic> Marlun: hah
[04:08] <trappist> _jason: run xev to see they keycode of your mouseclick
[04:09] <Pegasos989> After ubuntuguide has broken my pc, is there any other way to fix it besides reinstalling the os
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Marlun: BTW I highly recommend you install bitstream vera if you don't want ugliness (see my paste )
[04:09] <trappist> _jason: then do setkeycodes to bind
[04:09] <nalioth> Pegasos989: what all did you do, by following the 'guide?
[04:10] <Marlun> thoreauputic: what about gnome-desktop-enviorment? Sounds like 100 apps :P
[04:10] <rohan> hi all
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Marlun: your decision, really :)
[04:10] <_jason> trappist, I see, is there a command that I can use in a terminal (using that keycode that I find) so that X thinks I pressed the button when I run the command instead of binding it to a key
[04:10] <thoreauputic> Marlun: you know how to see what each thing installs now
[04:10] <rohan> which file do i edit, to make changes to the "init" of initramfs created for my kernels ?
[04:10] <trappist> _jason: setkeycodes
[04:11] <Marlun> thoreauputic: now when I do apt-cache search gnome-co, I only get gnome-common and gnome-controller-center and capplets-data. :P
[04:11] <_jason> trappist, ok I will look into, thank you very much
[04:11] <Pegasos989> nalioth, quite a lot. I installed maybe a dozen programs, did some changes to settings, practically all the multimedia guides..
[04:11] <rohan> i want to enable suspend2 support, and hence want to edit my initramf file
[04:11] <Marlun> thoreauputic: have to be something with the sources list
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Marlun:  gnome-core   (or was that a typo ? )
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Marlun: have you run apt-get update ?
[04:12] <Marlun> thoreauputic: I did gnome-co since then I should get gnome-core also? right?
[04:12] <nalioth> Pegasos989: i have a possible radical solution
[04:12] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah I've run apt-get update
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Marlun: erm - there's no gnome-co that I know of
[04:12] <rohan> where is my default initramfs file stored ?!
[04:13] <_jason> nalioth, nope not quake, I just want my page to scroll down when I hold a button down on my mouse
[04:13] <Marlun> thoreauputic: if I do gnome-co I get everything that starts with gnome-co, like gnome-core, gnome-common, etc.
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Marlun: ?
[04:13] <Marlun> thoreauputic: If I do gnome-core I get nothing :P
[04:13] <thoreauputic> Marlun: no you don't unless you tab
[04:13] <Pegasos989> nalioth, ?
[04:13] <rohan> ahhh... no one ?
[04:13] <rohan> :(
[04:14] <rohan> !initramfs
[04:14] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, rohan
[04:14] <nalioth> Pegasos989: are you familiar with the terminal?
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Marlun: you seem to be in  a parallel universe...
[04:14] <rohan> !kernel-package
[04:14] <ubotu> rohan: I give up, what is it?
[04:14] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yes i do? I got gnome-common and gnome-controler-central :P
[04:14] <rohan> !kernel
[04:14] <Marlun> thoreauputic: hehe yeah =)
[04:14] <nalioth> rohan: !please !don't !fish
[04:14] <thoreauputic> Marlun: from what command?
[04:14] <Pegasos989> nalioth, I can open it and insert command, but I can't say that I would be good in it
[04:14] <rohan> nalioth: sorry .. but i am desperate :(
[04:14] <Marlun> thoreauputic: apt-cache search gnome-co
[04:14] <nalioth> rohan: we humans know a whole lot more than ubotu does
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Marlun: ah
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Marlun: OK I see
[04:15] <Marlun> =)
[04:15] <rohan> nalioth: but humans dont answer so quickly, unlike bots :)
[04:15] <nalioth> Pegasos989: then it is probably easier to back up your home directory and do as you will
[04:15] <Greedyb> whats the best VNC server / client for Ubuntu?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Marlun: if you don't see gnome-core something is very wrong methinks
[04:16] <Pegasos989> nalioth, okay, I guess I'll just reinstall ubuntu. Not gonna be too big datalose anyways
[04:16] <Marlun> thoreauputic: the weird thing is that before I saw the gnome-core package, I told you it was a virtual one, now I don't see it.
[04:16] <rohan> where do i find my default "init" file for creation of initramfs images ? i need to edit it to have suspend2 support
[04:16] <Pegasos989> nalioth, thx anyways
[04:16] <nalioth> Pegasos989: the ubuntuguide was written for warty warthog (over a year old and not really compatible with modern ubuntu)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Marlun: is your install disc OK ? md5sum checks out?
[04:16] <blanky> guys, this isnt kubuntu, it's ubuntu, so how can I install kde (not kubuntu desktop) without all those kde apps it installs
[04:16] <_jason> trappist, I am a little confused after reading the man page for setkeycodes.  I understand I can use it to make a key on my keyboard emulate a mouse button, but how would I run a command to emulate that mouse button without binding a keyboard key to it?  Similar to xvkbd for keyboards keys but for mouse buttons instead
[04:17] <Pegasos989> nalioth, oh, okay. I am using hoary hedgehog i think
[04:17] <nalioth> blanky: there is no way to do that. if you install kde-base, you'll still get "all those apps"
[04:17] <nalioth> Pegasos989: still, the 'guide has broken quite a few hoary boxes, too
[04:17] <rohan> arghh.... i remember seeing a forum link
[04:17] <rohan> but cant find it
[04:18] <rohan> _goddamnit_
[04:18] <nalioth> Pegasos989: but it's guaranteed to break a breezy box
[04:18] <blanky> nalioth,  aww lol
[04:18] <blanky> has anyone tried kde? does it run okay with ubuntu?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> blah bloody bots...
[04:18] <blanky> (not kudunbut)
[04:18] <Marlun> thoreauputic: it did before, and I've installed with it before and made things work :)
[04:18] <nalioth> blanky: better to install "kubuntu-desktop" and have a polished kde implementation
[04:18] <Marlun> thoreauputic: it's that magic I was talking about before ;P
[04:19] <thoreauputic> Marlun: as the Irish priests say, "It's a mystery, my son "
[04:20] <thoreauputic> blanky: why the aversion to kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:20] <Marlun> thoreauputic: tried to do aptitude install gnome-core, got 0 upgraded, installed, removed, not upgraded. =P
[04:20] <Greedyb> do all VNC clients work with all VNC servers?
[04:21] <infralite> yeah, afaik
[04:21] <thoreauputic> Marlun: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin
[04:21] <infralite> isn't VNC a standard protocol?
[04:21] <Greedyb> thats what I thought, I'm unsure
[04:21] <infralite> i'd bet that's the case
[04:21] <Greedyb> cause I wanna use the same application for my windows / linux boxes
[04:21] <nalioth> Marlun: try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-core"
[04:21] <Greedyb> just wasn't sure
[04:21] <Pegasos989> Btw, now that I am gonna reinstall, can I use 5.04 hoary hedgehog or should i dl some newer version first
[04:22] <thoreauputic> nalioth: apt-cache can't even find gnome-core on his system
[04:22] <nalioth> Marlun: your session may blank out doing that, so i'd do it from ctrl-alt-f3
[04:22] <Marlun> thoreauputic: thats a challange, from the shell?
[04:22] <nalioth> thoreauputic: oh that is bad
[04:22] <Marlun> nalioth: ok :)
[04:23] <nalioth> thoreauputic: have we gotten a sources.list from him?
[04:23] <Marlun> nalioth: Package gnome-core is not available, but is refered to by another package.
[04:23] <thoreauputic> nalioth: no, not yet
[04:23] <Marlun> nope, you have not ;P
[04:23] <thoreauputic> Marlun: your sources are b0rked then
[04:23] <Marlun> It's the default one, I only commented out the CD line.
[04:24] <Marlun> ok
[04:24] <thoreauputic> Marlun: are you sure? Check it
[04:24] <kandoora_> how come the remaining of the top panel is not getting colored like the rest
[04:24] <thoreauputic> you might have accidentally done something to it
[04:24] <kandoora_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4835
[04:24] <Marlun> thoreauputic: hmmmmm, an empty file :)
[04:24] <Marlun> thoreauputic: how did that happend :)
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Marlun: :(
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Marlun: OK do this
[04:25] <nalioth> Marlun: i suspect you've been using non official repositories
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Marlun: type  sudo apt-cdrom
[04:25] <thoreauputic> Marlun: then insert your CD
[04:25] <thoreauputic> sorry
[04:25] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-cdrom add
[04:25] <Marlun> thoreauputic: no sorry my mistake i did vi sources.list in another directory
[04:26] <Marlun> thoreauputic: it's not empty, im in it now.
[04:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:26] <Marlun> nalioth: not if the non official reposiroties are there by default after you've done a server-install
[04:27] <Marlun> nalioth: I've only made a "server" install and then installed x-window-system-core, nothing more
[04:27] <nalioth> Marlun: a server-install gets you the same ubuntu repos as any other ubuntu install
[04:27] <thoreauputic> nalioth: right
[04:27] <Marlun> thoreauputic: :P I've only commented the first line "dev cdrom:....",
[04:27] <Marlun> nalioth: :P then I've not used any unofficial repositories.
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Marlun: is this box internet connected ?
[04:28] <nalioth> Marlun: uncomment it, put your install cd in, and update your apt-get, please
[04:28] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[04:28] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah ;P it downloaded the x-window-system-core
[04:28] <Marlun> nalioth: ok
[04:28] <nalioth> Marlun: are you using console ubuntu now? or a gui session?
[04:28] <__filip_> what is it i need to play .mp3?
[04:28] <jarjar26> Why OpenOffice 2 is sitll beta in Ubuntu ?
[04:28] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[04:28] <ubotu> well, mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:29] <Marlun> nalioth: console, have not touched anything else :)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> jarjar26: because it was still beta on October 13
[04:29] <nalioth> Marlun: have you tried installing ubuntu-desktop?
[04:30] <Pegasos989> Reinstalling now - wish me luck (last time I accidentally formatted 60 gigabytes of porn :/ )
[04:30] <Marlun> nalioth: argh! now I get "Failed to fetch cdrom".
[04:30] <thoreauputic> jarjar26: and packages are not changed, only bug fixes and security patches
[04:30] <Marlun> nalioth: hehe, I don't want ubuntu-desktop, thats the whole idea behind this crazy trip to the manuall installation island :)
[04:30] <thoreauputic> Marlun: this is deeply broken
[04:31] <Marlun> I'll reinstall again!
[04:31] <Marlun> maybe x-window-system-core messed something up? =P
[04:31] <nalioth> Marlun: what EXACTLY do you want?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Marlun: not likely
[04:32] <Marlun> nalioth: I want to do a server installation and install gnome manually so I then can install all the apps I want manually and don't get 100 of apps I'll never use. =)
[04:32] <Kano> hi, is there a way to create linux-image-* instead of kernel-image-* with make-kpkg?
[04:32] <nalioth> Marlun: have you installed xserver-xorg?
[04:32] <jarjar26> thoreauputic, arf why they don't upgrade to 2 ?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> jarjar26: I just told you
[04:33] <thoreauputic> jarjar26: it might get backported - that is possible
[04:33] <Marlun> nalioth: no since they said it would be installed automaticly when I installed x-window-system-core :)
[04:33] <thoreauputic> nalioth: that doesn't address why his sources aren't working
[04:34] <Marlun> Have not checked if it is installed though, not sure how I do that :)
[04:34] <Marlun> But I'm reinstalling and doing it all from scratch again :) the server install is pretty fast.
[04:34] <smergler2> hey... i just dled a .deb file.. how do i install it
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Marlun:  dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[04:34] <Marlun> dpkg, ok :) thanks.
[04:34] <nalioth> thoreauputic: that is true.
[04:34] <Kano> there are some drivers like linux-wlan-ng which do not correcly support the kernel- prefix
[04:34] <thoreauputic> smergler2:  sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>
[04:35] <smergler2> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:35] <thoreauputic> smergler2: but you should use the package manager, you know
[04:35] <thoreauputic> installing random debs is a recipe for pain
[04:35] <Marlun> nalioth: you believe I need to install xserver-xorg seperatly?
[04:36] <smergler2> yeh... i know.. but its skype ...
[04:36] <thoreauputic> smergler2: ah
[04:36] <nalioth> Marlun: try it and see
[04:36] <prodenter> is it possible to activate hardware without rebooting (3com PCMCA Wireless Device)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Marlun: it won't harm anything - but I think you'll find xserver-xorg is a dep of x-window-system-core anyway
[04:37] <nalioth> prodenter: the ONLY time you need to reboot is when you've upgraded a kernel
[04:37] <prodenter> good. so how can I "mount" a device?
[04:39] <prodenter> when I plug in the wireless card, nothing seems to happen
[04:39] <nalioth> prodenter: is is supported by ubuntu?
[04:39] <__filip_> in breezy when you right klick you can not choose terminal but in hoary i can that, is it possible to get it like inte hoary?
[04:39] <prodenter> yes. when I reboot, it works
[04:40] <thoreauputic> !openterm
[04:40] <ubotu> To add the right-click option for opening gnome-terminal on Breezy, install the  nautilus-open-terminal package
[04:41] <prodenter> can I use hotplug?
[04:41] <nalioth> __filip_: install "nautilus-open-terminal"
[04:42] <smergler2> thoreauputic: so skype is telling me that i need to install lib1t3c102-mt,.. and i find libqt3-mt in apt-cache.. but no ..3c102..
[04:42] <thoreauputic> !skype
[04:42] <ubotu> I guess skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:42] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[04:42] <prodenter> Is there a way to activate hardware?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> smergler2: save yourself the grey hairs...
[04:42] <Greedyb> anyone got a VNC server working on there box?
[04:42] <smergler2> thanks
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Greedyb: sure, it is there by default
[04:43] <nalioth> prodenter: open your network-admin
[04:43] <Greedyb> What is its name?
[04:44] <prodenter> that's what i've done ... but there's no ATH0 ...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Greedyb:  vino
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Greedyb:  apt-cache show vino   to read about it
[04:45] <Marlun> thoreauputic: back, to clean install, now I'll start with apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[04:45] <prodenter> The system needs to activate the device somehow. Like it does at booting with hotplug
[04:45] <nalioth> prodenter: i'm not sure how to start that type of device
[04:46] <prodenter> I see ...
[04:46] <thrush> prodenter: i guess you could always try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart..
[04:46] <prodenter> as root?
[04:47] <Marlun> thoreauputic: giving up soon, now I still can't see the gnome-core.
[04:47] <thrush> yes
[04:47] <nalioth> prodenter: no, use sudo
[04:47] <nalioth> thrush: there is no active root account on ubuntu
[04:47] <thoreauputic> Marlun: I suspect your installation media
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Marlun: it makes no sense that you can't see a basic package like that
[04:48] <nalioth> Marlun: by chance have you replaced the sources.list you have with
[04:48] <nalioth> !sources
[04:48] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:48] <thrush> Marlun: you can ping out from that comp right?
[04:48] <Greedyb> thoreauputic: what is the name of the viewer?
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Greedyb: vncviewer I think
[04:49] <prodenter> with sudo it din't work, as root it did something, but couldn't activate it ...
[04:49] <prodenter> root@ubuntu:/home/prodenter # /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[04:49] <prodenter>  * Restarting hotplug subsystem...                                       [ ok ] 
[04:49] <phenixamd> hi.  i have a kernel module that is segfaulting and causing the system to stop booting, and i cant boot to regular or single user mode
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Greedyb: but look for the terminal server entry in the internet part of your menu
[04:50] <Marlun> ok back
[04:50] <thrush> prodenter: there is also a /etc/inti.d/hotplug-net
[04:50] <Marlun> thrush: yes i can?
[04:50] <Absenth> where does ubuntu keep it's kernel source?
[04:50] <phenixamd> is there a kernel parameter to tell it not to load modules?
[04:50] <Marlun> thoreauputic, nalioth: ok, I'll see if theres a difference and then replace.. =)
[04:50] <prodenter> "no such file or directory"
[04:51] <Absenth> or which package do I need to install in order to add the kernel source?
[04:51] <Marlun> nalioth: however i have to check the url on this laptop, and write it into the other computer =/
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Absenth: linux-source
[04:51] <eruin_> does anyone know how I could copy only non-dot files (recursively) out of a directory full of nasty dotfiles?
[04:51] <eruin_> I've been searching google and manuals enough to make my head spin
[04:51] <Absenth> thoreauputic,  danke.
[04:51] <Marlun> nalioth: that seem to be fore hoary?
[04:51] <prodenter> thrush, it sould be something like that .. you're right
[04:52] <rryder> eruin_: i think cp -R will skip dot files
[04:52] <thoreauputic> Absenth: linux-source-2.6.12   is more like it
[04:53] <eruin_> rryder, I thought so too, but I get nasty .svn directories in the subdirectories
[04:54] <nalioth> Marlun: there are sources there for either hoary or breezy
[04:54] <Absenth> thoreauputic, so if I just did linux-source I'm going to be downloading the sources for all of the kernel versions?
[04:54] <smergler2> thoreauputic: thanks.. it works
[04:54] <eruin_> I remember doing something crazy with find a year ago to accomplish this, but I don't remember what ;)
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Absenth: no - there's no such package
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Absenth:  apt-cache seach linux-source to see
[04:54] <Absenth> thoreauputic, I wonder what it just downloaded and installed then.
[04:54] <thoreauputic> *search
[04:55] <thoreauputic> Absenth: are you on breezy?
[04:55] <nalioth> Absenth: no. just for your current one
[04:55] <Marlun> nalioth: sorry, missed it.
[04:55] <Absenth> thoreauputic,  yes, with universe and multiverse
[04:55] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Marlun about sources
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Absenth: odd - I get no hits for linux-source - only for linux-source-2.6.12
[04:56] <prodenter> /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:57] <Marlun> nalioth: "All officially supported packages, including security- and other updates" I've got those 3 in the source.list
[04:57] <Absenth> where is the preferred pastebin?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Absenth: only thing I can think of is that such a package existed in hoary and you dist-upgraded (guessing)
[04:57] <Absenth> 3 lines returned.
[04:58] <Marlun> Maybe I should just install x-window-system-core and gdm, whats in gdm thats not in gnome-core?
[04:58] <CookedGryphon> hi all, a very quick but oh so vital question. In order to log on to my network drive, the domain name under host settings in the network administration dialog has to be set, unfortunately every time i restart, this resets to blank and i have to set it again before i can log onto my network drive, how do i get it to stay or set it from the command line so that i can mount my network drive at...
[04:58] <CookedGryphon> ...startup?
[04:58] <Absenth> thoreauputic,  apt-cache search linux-source (linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.12 - ubuntu patches to linux 2.6.12        linux-source-2.6.12 - linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with ubuntu patches"
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Marlun: *sigh* why not just do a standard install and remove what you don't want?
[04:59] <k-j-d> hey, i wanna install a second pop3d running on a different port, but when i use apt-get to install it, it wants to remove the existing pop3d... i cant see any flag in apt-get to supress the removal, anyone have any ideas?
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: right that's what I get too
[04:59] <Absenth> thoreauputic,  clean install from a breezy cd here,  did server, and then xubuntu-desktop.
[04:59] <Marlun> thoreauputic: because that should not be needed :P
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Absenth: you see there's no package called linux-source as such
[04:59] <s10ahruska> Are their any kernel modules in the repositories for USB ethernet? If not, I could probably compile some myself, but it doesn't hurt asking..
[04:59] <Absenth> shrug, I'll apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Marlun: OK well, have fun
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Absenth: right
[05:00] <Marlun> thoreauputic: thanks
[05:00] <Absenth> thoreauputic, any idea where it puts them when it's done?  /usr/src/linux ?
[05:00] <Marlun> well, of to wash some clothes instead.
[05:00] <Marlun> thoreauputic: thanks for all the help! :)
[05:01] <Marlun> nalioth: you too, thanks!
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Absenth: as far as I know it downloads the source to your working directory
[05:01] <Marlun> bbl
[05:01] <roka> hej, hur gr jag fr att inte f gdm o starta automatiskt?
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Absenth: but as I haven't needed to compile a kernel I don't know for sure
[05:02] <Absenth> thoreauputic,  all this to install the linux Cisco vpn client :)
[05:02] <Seveas> roka, this is an english channel
[05:02] <apokryphos> roka: and utf8 only please
[05:02] <roka> oh sorry wrong chanel=)
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Absenth: ah, can't help with that I fear ;)
[05:04] <mikul> dose someone knows where to find some information about sharing an internet connection from my linux server to a windows computer
[05:04] <mikul> ?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> mikul: do you have X (gnome or similar) on the server? If so install the firestarter package and run the wizard
[05:06] <thoreauputic> internet sharing is a one-click option in the firestarter wizard
[05:06] <mikul> i got fluxbox
[05:06] <thoreauputic> mikul: tha's fine
[05:06] <mikul> okej, i will try that
[05:06] <thoreauputic> mikul: just install firestarter
[05:06] <Seveas> mikul, how good are you at reading bash scripts?
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know why seti@home dosen't work?
[05:07] <thoreauputic> Seveas: heh - KISS principle ;)
[05:07] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/start_nat <-- simple
[05:07] <Seveas> :)
[05:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> !doesn't work
[05:08] <ubotu> [doesn't work]  something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[05:08] <Seveas> although, that does not masquerade from internal to internal using the external ip
[05:08] <Seveas> so it should be a bit more difficult
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you know betterthan that by now ;)
[05:08] <Seveas> let me grab my real firewall script =)
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> know better than what?
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY:   ChurcH_of_FoamY anyone know why seti@home dosen't work?
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's just seti@home i am looking for family members O_o
[05:08] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok well it's just that snaptic spit out and error
[05:09] <Astxist> maybe it should be named seti@lost
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> roflmao
[05:09] <Astxist> ouchy
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well what ever is going on is broken in the repos
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the program is done for thats linked ther
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there
[05:13] <Marlun> thoreauputic: breezy (gnome): The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components [universe]  <--- universe!
[05:13] <Marlun> thoreauputic: got that from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Marlun: yes, right - I guess ubuntu-desktop is supported and plain "gnome" isn't (by Canonical)
[05:15] <Marlun> :P
[05:15] <Marlun> found gnome-core now
[05:15] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[05:15] <Seveas> thoreauputic, simple SNAT/MASQERADING script: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4836
[05:15] <Seveas> :)
[05:15] <florian___> hi!
[05:15] <Paradosso> I'd like to have a lighter browser on computer resources than Firefox, any suggestions?
[05:15] <infralite> Paradosso: dilo or dila or something
[05:15] <prodenter> When I make a backup of my home-folder, can I reinstall my OS without loosing data?
[05:16] <florian___> how to rip an audio cd to mp3-files with sound juicer?
[05:16] <infralite> Paradosso: it sucks at rendering at times, but extremely fast
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Seveas: might add that to ubotu's brain I guess ;)
[05:16] <infralite> Paradosso: or w3m with mouse support
[05:16] <infralite> prodenter: does data include application data?
[05:17] <prodenter> ... mails and such things ...
[05:17] <infralite> homedir is only your stuff
[05:17] <infralite> i'd imagine so
[05:17] <infralite> wait, check /var/spool/mail or something
[05:17] <prodenter> okey ...
[05:17] <prodenter> thx
[05:17] <infralite> or scrap all that
[05:17] <infralite> don't take my advice on this
[05:17] <thoreauputic> !nat
[05:17] <ubotu> well, a simple script for internet sharing is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4836
[05:18] <Paradosso> infralite, do i find these on repositories?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hope that meets with your approval :)
[05:18] <Pegasos989> Hmmh. My cd image seems to be screwed so I need to dl it again anyways. What version should I dl? Breezy?
[05:18] <Paradosso> I'd like to have tabbed browsing and minimal features like this
[05:18] <infralite> Paradosso: tabbed browsing ... we don't have that here
[05:19] <infralite> baybe you should get galeon or something
[05:19] <infralite> *maybe
[05:19] <thoreauputic> Seveas: hmm - looks a bit specific - or am I misreading it?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> !forget nat
[05:20] <ubotu> thoreauputic: i forgot nat
[05:21] <Seveas> thoreauputic, specific?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: i meant, for an ubotu factoid: IPs etc - might confuse people ? I assume they need to be substituted
[05:23] <Seveas> thoreauputic, well, I'm still trying to make that a bit more usable
[05:23] <Seveas> it should indeed not be in Ubotu yet :)
[05:23] <thoreauputic> Seveas: OK :)
[05:25] <slide> ok so i did sudo apt-get install mplayer-386 but whenever i play a video, it wont resize it anyone know why or how to make it do it?
[05:28] <thrush> slide: mplayer -fs filename.avi doesnt work?
[05:28] <slide> lemmy see
[05:28] <slide> nope
[05:29] <slide> It goes fullscreen, but the show is just the same size with black around it now
[05:29] <thrush> slide: i havent used mplayer in a while mostly vlc not sure about software rescaling
[05:29] <slide> =\ k thanks
[05:30] <lillpelle> slide: try mplayer -vo xv filenam.avi
[05:30] <slide> k
[05:30] <bipolar> does anyone know where I can find a package repo that has Mysql v5?
[05:30] <lillpelle> hm, maybe I did not remember it right *checking*
[05:30] <slide> aha!
[05:30] <slide> that works
[05:30] <Marlun> how do I get into gnome after I've installed it?
[05:30] <lillpelle> good
[05:30] <slide> ty :)
[05:30] <lillpelle> slide: now go to ~/.mplayer/config and add that option there, so you won't have to do it everytime.
[05:31] <lillpelle> typically a line with "vo=xv"
[05:31] <thoreauputic> Marlun: either through gdm or by typing  startx /usr/bin/gnome-session
[05:31] <lepadre_> hi
[05:31] <lepadre_> i have a problem with native games(eg. Enemy Territory)
[05:32] <lepadre_> every time i quit a game, the resolution is set to the games resolution, not to the desktop resolution i wnt
[05:32] <lepadre_> can anyone help me out?
[05:32] <Marlun> thoreauputic: how do I do it through gdm? before when i installed gdm I did: /etc/init.d/gdm start, but theres no gdm now.
[05:33] <thoreauputic> Marlun: did you install gdm/
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Marlun: if not use the command I gave you from the tty
[05:34] <lepadre_> no one?
[05:34] <Marlun> thoreauputic: i didn't since you told me to install gnome-core instead :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Marlun: note that gdm runs as root so use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[05:34] <thoreauputic> Marlun: not instead
[05:35] <thoreauputic> Marlun: gdm is a display manager (login screen)
[05:36] <Marlun> thoreauputic: I specificly asked if it was instead of gdm ;P well why install gnome-core if it was enough to install the gdm, if i need to install it anyway? =)
[05:36] <Marlun> was it to remove the frozen dialog at startup?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> Marlun: you don't understand the  distinction between fesktops and dm s
[05:36] <Peter> can i download the CD version of ubuntu onto a dvd?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> *desktops
[05:36] <mjr> Peter, yes
[05:37] <thoreauputic> Marlun: gdm bu itself is no use at all
[05:37] <thoreauputic> *by
[05:37] <thoreauputic> Marlun: it's just a way to log in graphically
[05:37] <Marlun> thoreauputic: ok, but then it have to depend on something since I only installed gdm before and it worked..?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[05:38] <occy> Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller  <--  anyone know about getting 3D stuff working with this display driver?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Marlun: use your tools - apt-cache depends, apt-cache show, apt-cache rdepends, apt-cache policy
[05:39] <Marlun> thoreauputic: yeah depends on gnome-session so I guess gnome is installed through there.
[05:39] <k-j-d> is there a way for apt-get to ignore the "provides" section?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Marlun: peter@prospero:~ $ apt-cache depends | grep gnome-session
[05:40] <thoreauputic> peter@prospero:~ $
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Marlun: so you don't have to have gnome-session at all
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Marlun: dunno where your ideas are coming from, frankly
[05:41] <thoreauputic> heh oops
[05:42] <Marlun> thoreauputic: don't you need to add gdm after depends?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> my apologies
[05:42] <thoreauputic> the dependency is an either| or
[05:42] <tuxxxblade> hi world :) hehe
[05:42] <elwood> ot: any one use  user mode linux? i need a 2.6 kernel...
[05:42] <thoreauputic> in other words it isn't required
[05:43] <Stormx2> everything is crashing! eeeek!
[05:43] <Stormx2> how do i reload the gnome panel?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> Marlun: for instance I used gdm to start fluxbox - it didn't require gnome-session
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Marlun: my command as I postedit was a typo, sorry
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Stormx2: type gnome-panel
[05:44] <thoreauputic> ?
[05:44] <Stormx2> k
[05:44] <lepadre_> hey
[05:44] <lepadre_> plz help me with my problem
[05:44] <Stormx2> thoreauputic: its already running
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Stormx2: then type killall gnome-panel
[05:45] <varsendagger> hey i just installed ubuntu server and i have a seperate hard drive for my /home directories
[05:45] <thoreauputic> Stormx2: it will respawn
[05:46] <Stormx2> wtf is the bonobo-activation server?!
[05:46] <Stormx2> It keeps poping up
[05:46] <Stormx2> aaackkkK!
[05:46] <Marlun> thoreauputic: ok :) Well I don't know what I and LjL did yeasterday =/... It installed even less stuff then what was installed now when I use gnome-core, now i had gnome-terminal and gedit by default.
[05:46] <Stormx2> it says the panel is running when its not
[05:46] <Stormx2> this alert won't go away.
[05:46] <varsendagger> i was a little scared to create a user with the same name that i have all my stuff in, how do i go about making a new user to use that /home/<usr> files
[05:46] <Stormx2> its stuck in a loop.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Marlun: you can live with that I hope?
[05:46] <Marlun> yes =P
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Marlun: or just remove them
[05:46] <Stormx2> (gnome-panel:25069): Bonobo-Activation-WARNING **: Strange exception (IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0) from active server registration
[05:47] <Stormx2> .... This is damn ridiculous *sigh*
[05:47] <sdogi> after upgrading to breezy it seems somekind a framebuffer is being activated when booting... any ideas how to disable it? the problem is that some lines are getting lost in console, i hate that
[05:47] <varsendagger> -- any ideas
[05:49] <germancito> hello everyone
[05:49] <Stormx2> hi doctor nick!
[05:49] <germancito> having a littel problem with amarok
[05:49] <varsendagger> nalioth,  waht is mode -r
[05:49] <imc_> Hey, how can I generate a pgp key in breezy? Is there a GUI?
[05:49] <tuxxxblade> ubotu, tell me about wine
[05:50] <nalioth> varsendagger: it allows all users into #ubuntu whether their nick is registered or not
[05:50] <imc_> Hey, how can I generate a pgp key in breezy? Is there a GUI?
[05:51] <welp_ubuntu> nalioth, you evil little.... :P
[05:51] <pitillo> know anyone what is the @LIBTOOL@ command?
[05:51] <varsendagger> cool
[05:51] <varsendagger> did anyone read aobut my problem?
[05:51] <nalioth> welp_ubuntu: have you seen the spambots that inflict this network?
[05:52] <bipolar> well... looks like no matter what I do I will not be able to use mysql-admin on ubuntu and be able to take advantage of the new features in v5. The verson in breezy is too old. The source from mysql.com compiles but cant execute anything without segfaulting. Using alien to install newer RPM's has the same problem. The static version on Mysql.com is too old too. The only version i can get runs on windows. I'm screwed.
[05:52] <Pegasos989> How do I check if the md5 checksum is correct if I know it?
[05:52] <budgester> imc: try gpgp or kpgp
[05:52] <nalioth> imc_: install 'gnupg' and read this http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[05:52] <varsendagger> --- i am still in the middle of installling firefox so i know it's an easy fix  i jsut don't wnat to lose my /home directory
[05:52] <nalioth> Pegasos989: md5sum file    and compare the results
[05:53] <budgester> or gpgkeys
[05:53] <lainore> hola
[05:53] <Pegasos989> k, thanks, nalioth
[05:53] <imc_> thanks!
[05:53] <lainore> hola
[05:54] <welp_ubuntu> nalioth, no
[05:54] <welp_ubuntu> nalioth, are they evil?
[05:55] <nalioth> welp_ubuntu: if you call a spambot joining and parting #ubuntu every 17 seconds for hours at a time evil, no thay are quite joyful
[05:56] <varsendagger> what do spam bot's do?
[05:56] <rave_> *sp@m*
[05:56] <Astxist> varsendagger, spam?
[05:56] <Astxist> varsendagger, spam being large amounts of really annoying messages
[05:56] <absenth> If I installed the nvidia-glx package and had it working correctly, and then upgraded my kernel to the k7 package, how would I go about re-adding the nvidia kernel module?>
[05:57] <Astxist> varsendagger, frequently using mIRC colours etc
[05:57] <varsendagger> ahh
[06:00] <varsendagger> i re installed ubuntu-server i keep my home directoru in another partition "/home"   can i just create a user named my last user and then will my /home/(USER) be configured right
[06:01] <varsendagger> or will it overwrite my files?
[06:01] <CRS2117> Hello, I'm trying to install audacity, and clicking on various links I came across a Ubuntu specific install package, with a .deb extension. Archive manager says it can't open it. What am I doing wrong?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> !info audacity
[06:02] <ubotu> audacity: (A fast, cross-platform audio editor), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.3-1build2 (breezy), Packaged size: 1605 kB, Installed size: 4708 kB
[06:02] <varsendagger> CRS2117, g aohead and download it to your computer and run dpkg -i (your package.deb)
[06:02] <thoreauputic> CRS2117: use the package manager
[06:02] <u1sun> hello
[06:02] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: encourage people to use the right tools :)
[06:03] <u1sun> nalioth, hi - i got the sound to go on my ubuntu install
[06:03] <u1sun> finally
[06:03] <CRS2117> What? How do I run dpkg -i? I don't know where the run dialog is
[06:03] <u1sun> nalioth, what is the offlist (list) - i am on a different computer...
[06:03] <thoreauputic> CRS2117: don't do that - use the package manager
[06:04] <thoreauputic> !tell CRS2117 about synaptic
[06:04] <mmina> Hello All
[06:04] <thoreauputic> !tell CRS2117 about repos
[06:04] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, i am sorry you're right
[06:04] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: :)
[06:04] <CRS2117> Ohh! Audacity is listed on synaptic?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> CRS2117: if you enable the repository yes
[06:04] <budgester> CRS2117 sure is
[06:05] <varsendagger> -synaptic scares me
[06:05] <CRS2117> Thankyou! Right, I'm off to cook shepards pie.
[06:05] <mmina> Hello, I am wondering if someone can help me with installing a novell client to version 5.10?
[06:05] <jbroome> how many shepards does it take to make a pie?
[06:05] <thoreauputic> heh I hope he bookmarked those links...
[06:05] <budgester> you could always pull up a terminal under Accesories and then do a apt-cache search audacity
[06:05] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, any ideas on my /Home problem
[06:05] <thoreauputic> jbroome: depends how thinly you slice your shapherds :)
[06:06] <ardzeii> Are there any successful CVS Cedega compilers in here?
[06:06] <absenth> In a moment of non-brilliance, I installed the nvidia-glx package and then later upgraded to the 2.6.12-9-k7 kernel package.  now X won't start.  how would I go about re-creating the kernel module that X is looking for?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> varsendagger: sorry havne't been following it
[06:07] <thoreauputic> 'night all
[06:07] <varsendagger> thoreauputic, where are you
[06:07] <thoreauputic> varsendagger:  .au
[06:08] <dell500> does anyone know why the ipod is read only, i'm trying to delete about 10 gigs worth of music that shouldn't be on ther
[06:08] <u1sun> nickrud, hi are you here
[06:09] <nickrud> u1sun, sort of :)
[06:09] <MrWizard> good afternoon all
[06:09] <nalioth> u1sun: i am here, and in #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:10] <ardzeii> Has anyone tried compiling Cedega from CVS?
[06:10] <MrWizard> is there any one here that is good with getting sound to work?
[06:11] <nalioth> Archite: lots of people have compiled cedega-cvs
[06:11] <imc_> nalioth, I've read that and also downloaded seahorse. I generated a key pair, can you advise how to tell Thunderbird it exists?
[06:11] <ardzeii> Does it have a GCC-version requirement?
[06:12] <guiss> i have this problem with scilab and fonts, anyone has resolved it?
[06:12] <nalioth> imc_: you'll need the enigmail plugin for thunderbird
[06:12] <nalioth> ardzeii: i'm not sure, it's been a long time since i've compiled it
[06:13] <imc_> Ah,. thank you nalioth
[06:13] <thrush> dell500: never used ipod but u might try in terminal: type 'mount'.  whatever dir your ipod is mounted to sudo chown username /media/whatever
[06:13] <mmina> Hello, I am wondering if someone can help me with installing a novell linux client to UBUNTU version 5.10?
[06:14] <MrWizard> I'm running Breezy on my gateway laptop and for some reason I can't get any sound to come out.  Programs like Sound Juicer look like they are reading and outputting the sound but nothing comes out my spekers
[06:14] <ardzeii> nalioth: Well, it's spitting out compilation errors (in the functions) using GCC 4.0.2. I was wondering if I have to upgrade or downgrade my gcc for this.
[06:15] <elwood> can i update fron hoary to breezy?
[06:15] <DaMaGe> i need help
[06:15] <Stormx2> !itunes
[06:15] <ubotu> Stormx2: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:16] <thrice`> elwood, of course!
[06:16] <thrice`> !upgrade
[06:16] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:16] <DaMaGe> ubotu i burned my ubuntu download to disk..but it dont werk could u help plz
[06:16] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, DaMaGe
[06:17] <nalioth> ardzeii: install gcc-3.4   and then in your terminal type "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4  ./compile"
[06:17] <elwood> thrice`,  there are a lot of updates?
[06:17] <DaMaGe> dam
[06:17] <nalioth> ardzeii: or what ever commands you want to use gcc 3.4
[06:17] <elwood> thrice`, and if i have kubuntu?
[06:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DaMaGe about yourself
[06:17] <ardzeii> nalioth: Thanks. I'm gonna try that out.
[06:18] <DaMaGe> man i just burned the thing "as is" after extraction but nada happened
[06:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DaMaGe about verify
[06:18] <nalioth> DaMaGe: check your iso image integrity, using the info ubotu just PMd you
[06:18] <DaMaGe> i created a bootable data disk?
[06:19] <MrWizard> can anyone here help me with a sound issue?
[06:20] <germancito> MrWizard, tell us, maybe someone knows
[06:20] <ompaul> smurf u about?
[06:20] <kakelspade> Is there a way to access my old /dev/hda3 where the installation .iso is, when having booted the installer from hard drive? Or how else will I be able to install without a cdrom drive?
[06:20] <Stormx2> gDesklets error: >   1 cacontrol = get_control('ICoverArt:4k9p94wmhn1keghze4bjce638-2')
[06:21] <MrWizard> I'm running Breezey on my Gateway laptop, and audio programs look like they are playing without an issue but I get no sound out of the speakers
[06:21] <dell500> anyone here know how to get hidden files off the ipod? there is a folder called "Trash.hidden" i can't delete them off the ipod because they are red only.... how do i delete them
[06:22] <DaMaGe> ubotu i wish i could understand that stuff
[06:22] <ubotu> DaMaGe: Are you smoking crack?
[06:22] <DaMaGe> man i wish i knew
[06:22] <DaMaGe> that help me out zippo man..but thanx
[06:23] <germancito> MrWizard, you have problems just with sound in audio programas or you don't have any sounds at all??
[06:23] <MrWizard> no sound at all.
[06:23] <DaMaGe> i thaught ubuntu was self install
[06:24] <MrWizard>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[06:24] <DaMaGe> keyserver wtf?
[06:24] <Astxist> MrWizard, :)
[06:25] <germancito> sorry MrWizard  can't help you
[06:25] <MrWizard> no problem
[06:26] <nalioth> DaMaGe: you have received several priveat messages from ubotu, please read them
[06:26] <Taa5i|o> Has anyone ever used the Emulex LP8000 Adaptor for RAID connection?  The only utilities I can find for it are not compataible with Ubuntu.
[06:28] <varsendagger> how how do i add a user to sudo users?
[06:28] <nalioth> varsendagger: in a terminal, type "man visudo"
[06:30] <MrWizard> any one have any ideas why I have no sound at all in Breezy
[06:33] <MrWizard> and off to the forums we go
[06:33] <mifritscher> hio
[06:33] <mifritscher> tried to compile ntfsprogs
[06:33] <mifritscher> didn't compile: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VlyLKz99.html
[06:33] <mifritscher> any ideas?
[06:35] <slide> wow hibernation worked
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> ZZZzzz... :P
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> now it wont wake up till the spring.
[06:38] <kandoora_> is this supposed to happen? the rest of the panel is not taking the same effect. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4835
[06:39] <CyBeRRaT|lost> hey, dunno if you guys can help me, but I have a an installation problem
[06:40] <CyBeRRaT> the installer always freezes when installing grub
[06:40] <CyBeRRaT> I use the 64bit edition
[06:40] <CyBeRRaT> any suggestions
[06:40] <CyBeRRaT> ?
[06:41] <marius_> hello to anybody.
[06:41] <marius_> how can I mount my hard disk ... pls?
[06:41] <jeanluc> hey how do I install the ATI drivers in ubuntu 5.10?
[06:41] <marius_> and ... I want using it without mounting it everyday I'm in ubuntu ... without mounting formt he shell ...
[06:41] <marius_> :-(
[06:41] <epl> Anyone else having problem with the rfcomm serial interface (bluetooth) in Breezy who did not have these problems in Hoary?
[06:42] <ryan_> Is there information anywhere on the internet or someone can give me for simple downloading on ubuntu?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> marius_, care to clarify a little.. You refering to a windows xp hard drive?
[06:42] <CyBeRRaT> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[06:42] <marius_> that's right, Dr_Willis ...
[06:42] <thrice`> !download
[06:42] <ubotu> hmm... download is get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> !ntfs
[06:42] <ubotu> methinks ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:42] <nalioth> CyBeRRaT: please dont recommend that URL in hee
[06:42] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[06:42] <ubotu> it has been said that ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[06:42] <jeanluc> ok, in synaptic I have ported fglrx-control , xorg-driver-fglrx, and xserver-xorg-driver-ati but the drivesr arn't working becuase I try a 3d game but its getting like 3 fps
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> read the ntfs wiki the bot just posted
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Gotta love FAQ's
[06:43] <CyBeRRaT> oops :s
[06:43] <thrice`> jeanluc, did you setup your xorg.conf to actually use fglrx?
[06:43] <jeanluc> no.
[06:43] <jeanluc> I just ported them.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:43] <jeanluc> thrice' how would I go about doing that?
[06:44] <kemik> s/ati/fglrx
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> !ati
[06:44] <kemik> sort of
[06:44] <ubotu> ati is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:44] <CyBeRRaT> !faq
[06:44] <ubotu> it has been said that faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[06:44] <marius_> how can I mount my hard disk ... pls?
[06:44] <yatesy> mount?
[06:45] <dpt> hello everyone, how do i know to where is pointing a soft link?
[06:45] <thrush> martink: windows partition?
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Thats mentioned in that URL the bot posted just a moment ago.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> tells all about mounting the drives.
[06:45] <njan> dpt, ls -al link
[06:45] <Term[Away] > dpt, ls -l $symlink
[06:46] <marius_> hello
[06:46] <thrice`> sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:46] <marius_> how can I install my hard disk on my computer?
[06:46] <marius_> :-(
[06:46] <thrice`> something like that should work, I think
[06:46] <dpt> gracias
[06:46] <CyBeRRaT> !install
[06:46] <ubotu> hmm... install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[06:46] <marius_> i don't want to mount it everytime I'm restarting ...
[06:46] <thrice`> marius_, have you read the link yet?  you are asking questions that are certainly answered in it
[06:46] <marius_> I want my hard disk to remain on everytime I'm on linux, without any mounting fromthe shell
[06:46] <dpt> thanks
[06:47] <marius_> sorry ... I was out
[06:47] <varsendagger> how do i give a user admin privs
[06:47] <thrice`> !ntfs
[06:47] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:47] <marius_> has anybody already answered to me... ?
[06:47] <marius_> :-)
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> marius_   about 5 times now
[06:47] <jasongrieves> how can i put a keybinding with system monitor w/ ctrl+alt+ delete
[06:47] <marius_> thanks ubotu
[06:47] <marius_> :-)
[06:47] <marius_> well ... I've been expecting for the red message ...
[06:47] <marius_> I didn't know people will answer to me without typing my nickname
[06:47] <marius_> :-)
[06:48] <thrice`> ubotu is a bot, he's not that smart :)
[06:48] <ubotu> thrice`: Are you smoking crack?
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:48] <varsendagger> that's awesome
[06:48] <jasongrieves> haha
[06:48] <nalioth> marius_: some people do not speak directly to others with their nick
[06:49] <varsendagger> ubotu is very smart
[06:49] <ubotu> varsendagger: Wish i knew
[06:49] <varsendagger> ...
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> heh - i wonder if Ubuntu should autoload up the Wiki/faq web site on a new install :P
[06:49] <jasongrieves> nalioth how can i put a keybinding with system monitor w/ ctrl+alt+ delete
[06:49] <egon_spengler> M'kay, folks. What is the dapper drake devel channel?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> ubotu is our hero.
[06:49] <ubotu> Dr_Willis: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:50] <marius_> thanks guys ... that's so quickly working ...
[06:50] <nalioth> jasongrieves: i've no clue, sorry
[06:50] <marius_> wow ... what a beautiful sistem ...
[06:50] <marius_> LINUX kubuntu ...
[06:50] <marius_> that's the best.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> now if they'd just get rid of the humorous answers. :P
[06:50] <jasongrieves> but your so smart :) drat
[06:50] <marius_> good bye windows ...
[06:50] <ppd> hello! does anyone know how to deactivate this "fade on logout" crap in gnome?
[06:50] <nalioth> Dr_Willis: and run a rsync every night to keep the local copy up to date?
[06:50] <marius_> not yet ... cause there's no corel and adobe photoshop and microsoft office I really need.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> yea!
[06:50] <marius_> but ... it is very good.
[06:50] <marius_> I'll only use linux for the net.
[06:50] <marius_> ;)
[06:50] <marius_> that's great.
[06:51] <_jason> ubotu, tell jasongrieves about shortcut
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> Bind somthing to alt-ctrl-del Hmm... that would be interesting....
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> since its allready used by the kernel/system. Hmm.
[06:52] <jasongrieves> really?
[06:52] <jasongrieves> did not know that
[06:52] <dell500> how do you find what partition/hd windows is on?
[06:52] <procrastinator> marius_: Eventually, you'll learn to love OpenOffice and the Gimp
[06:52] <nalioth> jasongrieves: unfortunately, smart doesn't equal omnipotent
[06:52] <dell500> i'm not sure its active right now, so i can't really find it
[06:52] <_jason> Dr_Willis, what does ctrl+alt+del do?
[06:53] <jasongrieves> nalioth don't sell yourself short :)
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> _jason,  kicks into 'shutdown/reboot'  normally
[06:53] <thrice`> dell500, fdisk -l
[06:53] <dell500> thanks thrice`
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> _jason,  try it and see.
[06:53] <jasongrieves> Dr_Willis ok
[06:53] <dell500> btw thrice` gtkpod is sweet :)
[06:53] <_jason> Dr_Willis, lol...
[06:53] <thrice`> hehe
[06:53] <epl> Dr_Willis: not while in X
[06:53] <_jason> brb i guess
[06:53] <thrice`> dell500, certainly not itunes, but much better than when I started using it
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> epl,  yea - i was thinking that also..
[06:53] <_jason> did nothing :/
[06:53] <jasongrieves> Dr_Willis i think I'm stil lhere woo hoo
[06:54] <jasongrieves> only in X?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> but still - its not the kind of  key sequence ya normally want to get to be a Habbit. :P
[06:54] <thrice`> del500, did it show up in fdisk?
[06:54] <jasongrieves> agreed
[06:54] <jasongrieves> Dr_Willis will use something else, thanks
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> alt-ctrl-Backspace will Kill off X. then alt-ctrl-Del will start shuting down.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> both 'features' are disabable I belive :P
[06:54] <dell500> thrice`, ya, but i'm having some problems right now, so i gotta get on windows to format the damn thing
[06:55] <dell500> thrice`, it has like 10 gb worth of lost music and trash crap, and i can't just delete it off my ipod through linux, wierd stuff, cause the pod is read only when not putting music on it, wierd :(
[06:55] <thrice`> dell500, hrm, that is odd; are you mounting it with write capabilities?
[06:55] <thrice`> !ipod
[06:55] <ubotu> info for syncing your iPod is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[06:56] <akonkwa> Hi everyone
[06:56] <dell500> thrice`, what should be the options in fstab?
[06:56] <thrice`> for example, the wiki recommends:
[06:56] <thrice`>  /dev/sda2               /mnt/ipod               auto    noauto,user,rw 0 0
[06:56] <dell500> thrice`, /dev/sdc2	/media/ipod	auto	nosuid,noauto,nodev,rw,umask=077,gid=1000,uid=1000,user,defaults,noatime,iocharset=utf8	0	0
[06:56] <thrice`> the rw means read write
[06:56] <dell500> ya, so i should have it
[06:56] <dell500> wierd
[06:56] <thrice`> hm, strange
[06:56] <akonkwa> Can someone help we with a problem on burning cd's in ubuntu hoary 5.04?
[06:56] <epl> jasongrieves: you should look in your gconf. start gconf-editor and go to apps/metacity/global_keybindings and keybinding_commands
[06:57] <nalioth> akonkwa: if you ask a question
[06:57] <akonkwa> Okay
[06:57] <dell500> i guess i don't have windows anymore :)
[06:57] <smo> dell500, does mount show it as rw or ro?  I've seen a few people with removable usb devices that should be rw, mount as ro . i still haven't figured out why
[06:57] <carlos_br> im having problems to install a Brother MFC DCP 1000
[06:57] <akonkwa> I'm using gnome baker, and I would like to copy disc to disc , (copy of a data disc)
[06:57] <carlos_br> how to install lpr ?
[06:58] <dell500> thrice`, you know what i mean though, when you show the hidden files a folder called 'Trash.username' comes up ... it has like a bunch of stuff in it
[06:58] <akonkwa> When I try it fails t read the cd image
[06:58] <Pegasos989> FFS!! I spent an hour and 4 perfectly good CDs trying to install ubuntu "dl .iso, burn, notice that the installation wont work, redo previous steps twice, check md5sum and redo previous steps..." before noticing, that ubunto won't install from my other cd rom drive. when i tried to plug in the older one, everything went fine
[06:58] <dell500> smo, hold on
[06:58] <carlos_br> how to install lpr ?
[06:58] <Pegasos989> Is this a known problem or should I eeport it somewhere os sumthing?
[06:58] <nalioth> akonkwa: i'd advise using k3b for cd/dvd copying/burning tasks
[06:58] <dell500> smo and thrice` : /dev/sdc2 on /media/ipod type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=077,gid=1000,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,user=dell500)
[06:58] <thrice`> yeah, try to plug it in, and run "mount"
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> carlos_br,  ran the gnome printer config tools yet?
[06:58] <dell500> that's what happens when i use mount
[06:58] <thrice`> should be read write
[06:58] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: haha!
[06:58] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: unlucky, but yeah, what was the problem?
[06:58] <akonkwa> nalioth:and where can I find k3b?
[06:59] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: With the install?
[06:59] <dell500> thrice`, it worked for a minute, but then said the this one file is read only
[06:59] <GigaClon> akonkwa, synaptic or apt-get
[06:59] <sabmann> +i
[06:59] <thrice`> try without the umask line
[06:59] <thrice`> er, umask options
[06:59] <NoUse> akonkwa synaptic
[06:59] <dell500> k
[06:59] <Pegasos989> Stormx2, it went to the part where it scans CD, said that it had a problem, told me to check the integrity and while checking it it yapped about some file being corrupted or something
[06:59] <akonkwa> gigaclon, nalioth, NoUse: thanx
[07:00] <dell500> thrice`, does your ipod disconnect correctly each time? cause mine still doesn't
[07:00] <dell500> it hangs and stays on the "Do Not Disconnect" screen
[07:00] <Pegasos989> Stormx2, but as soon as I changed to my older plextor cd drive, it worked :D
[07:00] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: It may be that the cd drive couldn't properly read the cd
[07:00] <carlos_br> Dr_Willis i have a driver for BROTHER MFC DCP 1000 and its LPR
[07:00] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: If it was burnt..
[07:00] <Pegasos989> The cd was burnt by the newer one that had problems reading it xD
[07:00] <carlos_br> Dr_Willis, i dont have a directory called /var/spool/lpd
[07:01] <Stormx2> Pegasos989: lol ;-)
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> carlos_br,  may want to check the cups.org site and see how well supported that printer is. You maybe trying too hard. Or  you  may need to install that thing. That DIr has nothign to do with the 'drivers' itself.
[07:01] <bettong_BOFH> anyone know of a streaming audio app for ubuntu
[07:01] <bettong_BOFH> something that can record internet radio?
[07:01] <jasongrieves> bettong_BOFH streamtuner
[07:01] <jasongrieves> bettong_BOFH sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[07:02] <bettong_BOFH> thanx
[07:02] <jasongrieves> using it righ tnow
[07:02] <haitike> how i format a mp3 usb?
[07:02] <tuxxxblade> GOD DAMN
[07:02] <tuxxxblade> guys i need an expert PLZ
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> haitike,  that made no sence.
[07:02] <tuxxxblade> i been tryin to install wine for days now
[07:02] <tuxxxblade>  n i still cant do it
[07:02] <nalioth> tuxxxblade: please be respectful of others
[07:02] <marius_> how can I install personal security manager for mozilla?
[07:02] <NoUse> tuxxxblade apt-get install wine?
[07:03] <tuxxxblade> yeah
[07:03] <Seveas> marius_, you need the mozilla-psm package
[07:03] <jasongrieves> tuxx, from a repository?
[07:03] <tuxxxblade> fked up
[07:03] <tuxxxblade> sry dude
[07:03] <tuxxxblade> nalioth, sry
[07:03] <Stormx2> tuxxxblade: You might want to look into a script for configuring wine
[07:03] <marius_> where could I take this from, Seveas ? pls
[07:03] <tuxxxblade> wait il sent u an error report
[07:03] <haitike> Dr_Willis,  i dont speak english very well
[07:03] <nicolas_> hello
[07:03] <nalioth> ubuntu: tell tuxxxblade about wine
[07:03] <nicolas_> can somebody help me
[07:03] <Seveas> marius_, the ubuntu repositories
[07:03] <Seveas> !info mozilla-psm
[07:03] <ubotu> mozilla-psm: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - Personal Security Manager (PSM)), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 692 kB
[07:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tuxxxblade about wine
[07:03] <NoUse> nicolas_ ask a question and we'll find out
[07:03] <nicolas_> I messed up the system fonts
[07:04] <marius_> !info mozilla-psm
[07:04] <dell500> thrice`, no go on anything, sucks, time for lunch though, i'll bbl
[07:04] <tuxxxblade> nalioth, thnx but i tryed it 20 times already
[07:04] <nalioth> tuxxxblade: it is an unnatural thing to desire to run windows under linux
[07:04] <marius_> !info mozilla-psm
[07:04] <ubotu> mozilla-psm: (The Mozilla Internet application suite - Personal Security Manager (PSM)), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 692 kB
[07:04] <nicolas_> I have gnome and the fonts are like fusy
[07:04] <nalioth> marius_: patience, it is probably in a /msg window on your client
[07:05] <marius_> yeah nalioth ... I found it now. thanks.
[07:05] <NoUse> tuxxxblade what specifically are you having problems with?
[07:05] <jasongrieves> nalioth is it possible to learn such ways?   Nalioth responds, not from Bill Gates...
[07:05] <marius_> lol'bout gates.
[07:05] <jasongrieves> anybody get that refrence?
[07:05] <smo> nicolas_: fuzzy?  that'd be antialiasing .. I believe there's an option in the font dialog for that
[07:05] <nalioth> jasongrieves: join me in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[07:06] <jasongrieves> nalioth, sorry, just noticed it in background
[07:06] <tuxxxblade> i dont desire to run win
[07:06] <tuxxxblade> i just need some win applications actually
[07:06] <tuxxxblade> n some drivers if possible :)
[07:06] <NoUse> tuxxxblade wine doesn't help with drivers
[07:06] <jasongrieves> tuxx, u searched online for oyur applicatoin compatibility?
[07:06] <jasongrieves> some versions of wine don't work
[07:06] <jasongrieves> some do
[07:06] <nicolas_> can you exactly tell me how to do that ?
[07:06] <jasongrieves> I need a really old version to work with lotus notes
[07:07] <tuxxxblade> damit
[07:07] <smo> nicolas_, not off-hand .. I don't have gnome at work
[07:07] <tuxxxblade> i got a webcam, n a printer n stuff that dont have linux drivers
[07:07] <tuxxxblade> so i got a lil prob :)
[07:07] <tuxxxblade> hehe
[07:07] <NoUse> tuxxxblade yeah wine is just for apps
[07:07] <_jason> nickrud, system > preferences > fonts
[07:08] <_jason> nicolas_, , system > preferences > fonts
[07:08] <nicolas_> so can you give me some clues to get into the fonts dialog ?
[07:08] <nicolas_> ohhh.. i see that... everything is ok in that dialog
[07:08] <nicolas_> but the problem came out when I installed the Mplayer
[07:09] <_jason> nicolas_, mplayer needs the mplayer-fonts package too
[07:09] <tuxxxblade> its ok
[07:09] <nicolas_> I followed some instructions in a forum, and I installed some fonts package
[07:09] <tuxxxblade> can i get into a prive with u NoUse ?
[07:09] <NoUse> tuxxxblade its really easier for me if we stay in here
[07:09] <Pegasos989> "User interaction required! A new version of the Linux kernel has just been installed. We strongly  recommend that your machine is restarted as soon as possible to complete the system update." I thought that linux updates would be unlike windows. You know, that I wouldn't need to reboot in updates... Or is this because of this is first time I am on after the reinstallation?
[07:10] <_jason> nicolas_, can you paste a link to the instructions?
[07:10] <tuxxxblade> i got an error msg
[07:10] <tuxxxblade> i cant paste it here lol
[07:10] <NoUse> tuxxxblade pastebin it
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Pegasos989,  its a Kernel.. :P is the reason
[07:10] <nicolas_> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/190
[07:10] <Pegasos989> k, well, brb
[07:11] <tuxxxblade> hwo so
[07:11] <marius_> how can I find this mozilla-psm? pls ...
[07:11] <NoUse> !tell tuxxxblade about pastebin
[07:11] <tidi> does ubuntu have a dvd player
[07:11] <nalioth> marius_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-psm
[07:11] <kandoora_> is multivers safe?
[07:11] <NoUse> !tell tidi about dvd
[07:12] <Seveas> marius_, put your sources.list on the pastebin
[07:12] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, thx
[07:12] <marius_> where's my sources? what's the pastebine? I'm a newbie
[07:12] <nalioth> kandoora_: quite safe
[07:12] <nalioth> ubotu: tell marius_ about repos
[07:13] <_jason> nicolas_, my spanish is a little rusty... but were you following those instructions os that you could compile mplayer?
[07:13] <kongmeng> i'm having an issue w/ firefox and ubuntu, i can view the ubuntu site, but all other pages timeout, ideas?
[07:14] <nicolas_> yes
[07:14] <tuxxxblade> NoUse,  k pasted it
[07:14] <tuxxxblade> with the screenshot
[07:14] <_jason> nicolas_, those instructions just say to copy the font file to /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/, did you do anything else with the fonts?  when did the fonts become "fuzzy"?
[07:14] <fyrmedic> anyone know how to get rhythmbox to read mp3's that are on a fat32 partition
[07:14] <tidi> bye
[07:14] <tuxxxblade> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4837
[07:15] <NoUse> tuxxxblade why are you trying to compile it?
[07:15] <nalioth> fyrmedic: /msg ubotu mp3
[07:15] <Marlun> How can I write to a floppy disk? I was able to mount it but I
[07:15] <Marlun> 'm not allowed to write to it.
[07:15] <bedi__> ghj
[07:15] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, sudo apt-get install wine
[07:15] <marius_> why can't I run Adept ...
[07:15] <marius_> ?
[07:16] <tuxxxblade> it aint workin
[07:16] <tuxxxblade> well i dunno
[07:16] <tuxxxblade> to use it
[07:16] <germancito> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:16] <nicolas_> after installing those fonts
[07:16] <nalioth> marius_: you dont have kubuntu installed ?
[07:16] <bedi__> jh,
[07:16] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, i cant get it to work
[07:16] <ompaul> !tell tuxxxblade about repos
[07:16] <NoUse> tuxxxblade when describing your probelms "aint working" don't cut it
[07:16] <marius_> I do nalioth.
[07:16] <B3DI> vb
[07:16] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, add universe to your repos see the comment from the bot on repos
[07:16] <nicolas_> would you mind using vnc to help me out
[07:16] <marius_> nalioth,  i do have it ...
[07:17] <marius_> but i can't run the adept program ... why?
[07:17] <tuxxxblade> k but i mean it wont install
[07:17] <nalioth> marius_: open a konsole and type "kdesu adept"
[07:17] <NoUse> tuxxxblade with what error message?
[07:17] <pf> can't apt-get install wine i had joined  http://wine.sourceforge.net binary/ Release
[07:17] <pf>  http://wine.sourceforge.net source/ Release
[07:17] <_jason> nicolas_, have you tried removing the fonts you copied?
[07:17] <BEDI-> h
[07:17] <tuxxxblade> yeah
[07:17] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, its weird ive been tryin to install it for days dang
[07:18] <nicolas_> no
[07:18] <NoUse> tuxxxblade follow the link ubotu sent you about adding repositories
[07:18] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, please read whgat I previously wrote for you and then say "which part is not working" it is a several step process
[07:18] <NoUse> tuxxxblade you can and should install it via apt-get
[07:18] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, add a repo called universe
[07:18] <nicolas_> do you recommend me to erase the /usr/local/share/mplayer/font folder ?
[07:18] <tuxxxblade> tryied
[07:18] <no0tic> hi
[07:18] <tuxxxblade> ok ill do
[07:18] <tuxxxblade> i repo'd it yesturday but not with universe
[07:19] <_jason> nicolas_, I would try that
[07:19] <no0tic> evolution crashes... when I try to open calendar
[07:19] <marius_> i can't run the kdesu adept ... nalioth
[07:19] <nalioth> marius_: what does it tell you in the konsole?
[07:19] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, read what the bot sent you and you enable "universe" in the repositories, then you install the program
[07:19] <nalioth> tuxxxblade: also enable "multiverse"
[07:19] <ompaul> emile, what is on your mind
[07:19] <valente> hello
[07:19] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:20] <emile> ompaul: sorry just playing with irssi keepnick script, typed keepnick help ... silly me ;-)
[07:20] <tuxxxblade> guys, i enter the link (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325) n then i enable uni/multiverse?
[07:21] <bob123> hi there, i have breezy and i have an ATI card but when i do fglrxinfo it says command not found (also my computer freezes when there is a screensaver)
[07:21] <ompaul> emile, :) please do that in a channel with yourself in it alone this one has 548 in it
[07:21] <tuxxxblade> oh ok got it
[07:21] <tuxxxblade> now i apt get it?
[07:21] <emile> ompaul: agreed ;p
[07:21] <nalioth> tuxxxblade: update your apt-get first
[07:21] <hawking> Can someone tell me how I can compress to files to a zip file from command line? I read the manual but couldn't be sure
[07:22] <ardzeii> bob123: Have you installed the right drivers?
[07:22] <nalioth> hawking: zip file
[07:22] <ompaul> tuxxxblade, if you have enabled, then you >>sudo apt-get update<<  then you >>sudo apt-get install wine<<
[07:22] <marius_> nalioth, it's saying: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:22] <marius_> Xlib: No protocol specified
[07:22] <marius_> 
[07:22] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:22] <tuxxxblade> ty
[07:22] <valente> how is pci-express support with linux?
[07:22] <nalioth> marius_: i'm not familiar with that error, try "sudo apt-get install mozilla-psm"
[07:22] <bob123> ardzeii: i only did a fresh install of breezy, i assumed it will detect my card
[07:23] <bob123> ardzeii: its a pretty popular card its the ati 9000
[07:23] <ompaul> hawking, is this for storage on a linux box or is it for use with a windows box cos we have some great tools
[07:23] <valente> im looking to build a new computer
[07:23] <valente> with the nforce4 chipset
[07:23] <valente> and pci-express
[07:23] <valente> was wondering how the support is with linux
[07:23] <hawking> ompaul: well I have to compress two files which is homework... I don't know if the teacher uses linux or windoze
[07:23] <NoUse> valente probably best to google around for your hardware
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> ive heard to avoide the nforce4 chipset for the time being. :(
[07:24] <drcode> hi all
[07:24] <ardzeii> bob123: : It will detect your card, but it will not install the drivers for it.
[07:24] <hawking> ompaul: but most probably she doesn't use linux..although she teaches about it lol
[07:24] <tuxxxblade> it cant lock 2 dirs
[07:24] <marius_> nalioth, this is the error ... E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:24] <marius_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:24] <marius_> ; maybe you can be familiar with this one. Thanks for being patiently.
[07:24] <drcode> any one can please ping to ftp.vuurmuur.org and tell me the IP address
[07:24] <ompaul> valente, it is my understanding that is not well supported - I think web search engines will be of more help than here
[07:24] <drcode> for some how my DNS dosn;t find this IP
[07:24] <tuxxxblade> dang
[07:24] <ardzeii> bob123: It will use the default 3D acceleration provided by Mesa.
[07:24] <Stormx2> Someone want to tell me why BMP won't die?
[07:25] <nalioth> marius_: in your konsole, type "ps aux|grep adept"
[07:25] <ardzeii> bob123: Is it a Radeon? You can find the drivers in the universe (i think) repo.
[07:25] <marius_> everything's fine drcode right over here ...
[07:25] <marius_> seems you're working ...
[07:25] <marius_> ;)
[07:25] <Stormx2> Everytime I kill it, it just comes right on back at me!
[07:25] <_jason> drcode, http://www.dnsstuff.com/
[07:25] <sexcopter8000m> where are the logs for ntpdate kept? i always get the "failed to syncrhronise with .... " error at bootup. have tried various servers, turned on the -v option so somewhere there must be a log :P
[07:25] <Astxist> Stormx2, tried using killall on it?
[07:25] <fredforfaen> drcode 145.97.193.148
[07:25] <drcode> thanx
[07:25] <drcode> thanx
[07:25] <ardzeii> Stormx2: BMP the image format? Maybe because of MS Paint? Hehe.
[07:25] <drcode> thanx again
[07:25] <fredforfaen> drcode np
[07:25] <Stormx2> Astxist: Turns out it was one of my scripts stuck in limbo
[07:25] <tuxxxblade> GOD
[07:26] <tuxxxblade> it wont work again
[07:26] <Stormx2> ardzeii: Beep media player.....
[07:26] <marius_> unsuported version ... BSD nalioth
[07:26] <tuxxxblade> imma suicide
[07:26] <NoUse> tuxxxblade please, more details
[07:26] <Stormx2> tuxxxblade: kkbai
[07:26] <marius_> it is ok ... I'll handle. thanks nalioth anyway. god bless you.
[07:26] <tuxxxblade> can i past 2 lines here?
[07:26] <ardzeii> Stormx2: Ah. Okay. Hehe.
[07:27] <Sonny_Wertzik> can anyone here tell me what the difference is between kompmgr and xcompmgr?
[07:27] <Taa5i> When I try to run a program safte-mon, it reports cannot open PID file, permission denied.  This is run via sudo.  Any thoughts?
[07:27] <NoUse> tuxxxblade put it in #flood
[07:27] <Stormx2> I don't think i'm ending my bash scripts properly.
[07:27] <Stormx2> hmm
[07:27] <hawking> when I do zip file it says : Zip file structure invalid
[07:27] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:27] <nalioth> Sonny_Wertzik: probably the gui toolkit used in compiling them
[07:27] <hawking> :/
[07:27] <nalioth> hawking: in your terminal type "zip --help" or "man zip"
[07:27] <NoUse> tuxxxblade you have synaptic running or another apt process
[07:28] <NoUse> tuxxxblade you can't run both at the same time
[07:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth, i see...so one is not better tan the other then..?
[07:28] <germancito> Hello
[07:28] <nalioth> Sonny_Wertzik: they should be functionally identical
[07:29] <canindya> I am getting invalid signature gpg error, I have tried running apt-key update without success, any help please?
[07:29] <nalioth> ubotu: tell canindya about gpgerr
[07:29] <canindya> I getting this while apt-get update
[07:29] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth, fantastic... thank you... have you ever heard of a xcompmgr patch for xine?
[07:29] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, it didnt update anything but
[07:29] <NoUse> !tell canindya about gpgerr
[07:29] <nalioth> Sonny_Wertzik: i've never heard of xcompmgr
[07:29] <canindya> Thanks NoUse nalioth
[07:29] <tuxxxblade> when i apt-get install wine it dld them 13megs then it didnt do nothin
[07:30] <nalioth> tuxxxblade: open a console and type "wine --help"
[07:30] <Sonny_Wertzik> nalioth, whaaaa?? hehehe ok thanks
[07:30] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:30] <Taa5i> !tell Taa5i about gpgerr
[07:30] <sexcopter8000m> where are logs kept in general?
[07:30] <NoUse> sexcopter8000m /var/log
[07:30] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:30] <tuxxxblade> got somethin
[07:30] <Pegasos989> !faq
[07:30] <ubotu> it has been said that faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide is: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation or http://help.ubuntu.com
[07:30] <NoUse> tuxxxblade then its installed
[07:30] <NoUse> tuxxxblade don't be so quite to say it did nothing
[07:31] <NoUse> quick*
[07:31] <tuxxxblade> how do i open/config it?
[07:31] <NoUse> tuxxxblade read the wine docs
[07:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tuxxxblade about wine
[07:31] <tuxxxblade> oki
[07:31] <haitike> I have formated, but I have de same free space, altought this have remove the things
[07:31] <hawking> nalioth : hmm I read it I do "zip source -@ test.txt go.txt" but nothing happens..it just waits doin nothing
[07:32] <nalioth> hawking: why do you want to use 'zip' in particular?
[07:32] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, and how do i install the win32 codecs ? i dled them yesturday but .. i dunno i still cant read the w32 exts
[07:32] <hawking> nalioth : that's the format wanted  for the homework
[07:32] <NoUse> !tell tuxxxblade about w32codecs
[07:32] <minim> hi there.. i just wondered if my SMC2802W rev03 is supported out of the box on breezy
[07:32] <hawking> nalioth  : I know that's stupid
[07:32] <sexcopter8000m> can no-one help me with ntpdate? does anyone else find it fails at bootup?
[07:33] <NoUse> tuxxxblade if its a .deb file you just sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:33] <nalioth> hawking: you cant right click and make a zip?
[07:34] <hawking> nalioth : yes if you have gnome
[07:34] <hawking> or kde
[07:34] <kandoora_> is there anyway of opening a terminal where i would already be in my (example) download folder in home
[07:34] <tuxxxblade> oki thnx
[07:34] <nalioth> hawking: what do you use? it works in konqueror, also
[07:35] <minim> hi there.. i just wondered if my SMC2802W rev03 is supported out of the box on breezy
[07:35] <hawking> nalioth: I did it ... thx anyways
[07:36] <haitike> what is better, ext3 or raiserfs?
[07:36] <tuxxxblade> damit
[07:36] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, the totem player still cant play mpg's
[07:36] <tuxxxblade> damit
[07:36] <NoUse> tuxxxblade apt-get install totem-xine
[07:37] <NoUse> tuxxxblade you don't need to add in a curse after every line of text
[07:37] <germancito> hello
[07:37] <fredy> synaptic keeps using a brown theme, is there a way to change it?
[07:37] <tuxxxblade> sry
[07:37] <tuxxxblade> thnx
[07:40] <LazyAngel> 
[07:40] <otroean> Hi. Have just removed Debian Sarge 3.1 and installed Ubuntu Breezy Disk hdb and hdd is inaccesible the disk manager says...
[07:40] <wolverian> how do I tell why my computer seems to be waiting for I/O a lot? it's either swapping or the HD is just super slow. any recommended ways to go about finding out which is true?
[07:40] <Pegasos989> Hmmh. I accidentally pressed remove in the synaptic package manager reposotories and deleted one. I think it might have been community maintained (universe).. How can I get it back?
[07:40] <kandoora_> fredy: system - preferences -  theme
[07:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Pegasos989 about repos
[07:41] <Pegasos989> k, thx
[07:41] <fredy> kandoora: I already have a custom theme, but for some reason synaptic keeps using a brown theme.
[07:41] <HaschHase> hi, can anyboyd help me with installing project open glass?
[07:41] <HaschHase> if anybody already did this please private dialog
[07:42] <tuxxxblade> ..
[07:43] <tuxxxblade> NoUse, i aint got no sound ... lol
[07:43] <Bergcube> And I've always thought the glass was half full......
[07:43] <NoUse> !tell tuxxxblade about sound
[07:44] <flex> hello
[07:44] <dooglus> what's the best way to resize an NTFS partition to allow me to install ubuntu?
[07:45] <dampjam> Is anybody in here running Dapper yet?
[07:45] <flex> i have a question, i am on 5.10 and it came with the 386 kernel, so for performance I used synaptic to get the k7 kernel, but when I boot to k7 kernel my network card don't work. It works fine on the 386 kernel though.
[07:46] <thrush> dooglus: partition magic in windows might be easiest I thought the install cd included the resize option as well
[07:47] <nalioth> dampjam: some of us are testers, yes (i have it on a non productive machines
[07:47] <flex> is there something i need to do to make my current network card work for the k7 kernel? i am guessing it has something to do with modues.
[07:48] <dampjam> nalioth: remotely stable?  I usually upgrade a month before the next version is released
[07:48] <NoUse> flex see if you can identify the module that loads for your network card while in the 386 kernel and then try to load it manually in k7 and see if that fixes it, you can then add that module to /etc/modules to get autoloaded
[07:49] <flex> how do i see what module is loaded for my network card?
[07:49] <kandoora_> is it ok to apply NOT AUTHENTICATED stuff? sorry about the caps
[07:49] <flex> i am pretty new to linux
[07:53] <nalioth> dampjam: right now, dapper is still mostly breezy-like
[07:53] <dooglus> I don't have partition magic for windows.  Is the NTFS resizer on the install disk reliable?
[07:53] <dooglus> flex: run "lsmod" to see all the loaded modules.
[07:53] <flex> thanks
[07:53] <nalioth> dooglus: it is reliable
[07:54] <dooglus> flex: it might not be obvious which is for your network card
[07:54] <nalioth> dooglus: what are you resizing for? an install?
[07:54] <dooglus> nalioth: is it worth running Window's defrag first?  Or will the built-in resizer do that for me?
[07:54] <flex> aye, i just did lsmod | grep -i link to look for my dlink
[07:54] <flex> but no results
[07:54] <dooglus> nalioth: for an install, yes.  breezy.
[07:54] <dooglus> (shipit finally delivered :)
[07:54] <NoUse> flex yeah the modules are usually named by chipset rather than brand
[07:54] <nalioth> dooglus: ntfsprogs require no defragmenting of windows to function. defrag if it makes you feel better
[07:55] <dooglus> flex: you could try "lsmod" before and after using the network card I guess...  see if anything extra gets loaded when you "ifup" the interface
[07:55] <dooglus> nalioth: Windows' defrag always scares me
[07:55] <nalioth> dooglus: it's not necessary
[07:55] <flex> ahh just got this, (goign to try a paste)
[07:55] <dooglus> nalioth: so what's the procedure?  I type "expert" at the boot prompt of the isntall disk?
[07:55] <NoUse> flex which kernel are you in now?
[07:56] <nalioth> dooglus: nope. it'll ask you at the partition part if you want to resize
[07:56] <flex> ath_pci                69148  0
[07:56] <dooglus> flex: don't try a paste - you'll get told off :)
[07:56] <nalioth> dooglus: using the regular ol' install sequence
[07:56] <dooglus> oops - too late :)
[07:56] <oneseventeen> i just installed ubuntu 5.10 on my largest continuous free space, but it doesn't give me the option to boot into windows at the grub bootloader
[07:57] <oneseventeen> how do I add windows to the bootloader?
[07:57] <NoUse> flex is our card wireless?
[07:57] <oneseventeen> I'm assuming menu.lst, but I'm used to it doing it automagically...
[07:57] <flex> 2.6.12-9
[07:57] <flex> yes it is
[07:57] <NoUse> flex ok thats probably it
[07:57] <NoUse> flex when you boot in k7 try running, sudo modprobe ath_pci and see what happens
[07:58] <flex> anerm 2.6.12-9 386, and when i boot to the 2.6.12-9 k7 everything seems to work except the d-link wifi card
[07:58] <flex> ahh, so would that insert the module?
[07:58] <NoUse> flex
[07:58] <NoUse> flex oops, yeah
[07:58] <flex> and then if that works put that in to the /etc/modules that you mentioned?
[07:58] <NoUse> yeah just add the module name to that file
[07:59] <flex> thanks! (hopefully i'll be right back to thank ya)
[08:00] <Taa5i> Would someone be able to offer some insight with setting up a raid?  I have /dev/md0-24, but the only sd devices I have are my two onboard scsi drives.  Every document I find talks about mdadm'ing md0 from /dev/sd*  So I am very confused.
[08:00] <thrush> oneseventeen: there should be a full example in menu.list commented out.  rund fdisk -l to get the partition number that should be the only thing u have to change. hda1 = hd0,0 hda2= hd0,1 etc
[08:00] <Urthy> how do I figure out how my other nick is still online when every system that it could be on is off?
[08:00] <Urthy> would an OP boot Urthmover?
[08:00] <Urthy> kick I mean
[08:01] <__filip_> how does i stop/start my apache server in ubuntu?
[08:02] <nalioth> Urthy: /msg nickserv help ghost
[08:02] <NoUse> __filip_ sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 start/stop
[08:03] <__filip_> thanx
[08:03] <eSPete> how do i setup my ubuntu box as a router for two other PCs?
[08:04] <NoUse> eSPete install firestarter, its a GUI frontend to the tools you need
[08:04] <J_Man> look into ip masquerade :)
[08:05] <BoneE> has anyone get all the mulitmedia codecs to play all vidz and audio files
[08:05] <NoUse> !tell BoneE about w32codecs
[08:07] <minim> hi there.. i just wondered if my SMC2802W rev03 is supported out of the box on breezy
[08:07] <sadpanda> how can you kick a user that's idle via an ssh connection? I'm logged in at two places and one has been idle for 2 days now.
[08:07] <minim> kill the process
[08:07] <minim> ps -A|grep ssh
[08:07] <sadpanda> so each ssh connection is it's own process?
[08:07] <Pegasos989> Odd. apt get whines about "E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse" tho I think that I added the reposotories. I went to synaptic -> reposotories -> modified settings to show all of them -> added the check to the ones that didn't have -> pressed ok and reload
[08:07] <Pegasos989> :/
[08:07] <minim> and kill the pid on the ssh connection
[08:07] <sadpanda> minim: will do
[08:07] <NoUse> !tell Pegasos989 about repos
[08:08] <nalioth> Pegasos989: you added 'multiverse'  ?
[08:08] <oneseventeen> thrush: thanks for the tip, I'll look at that!
[08:08] <NoUse> Pegasos989 follow the wiki instrucions and make sure you apt-get update first
[08:09] <sadpanda> minim: I'm doing this through an ssh connection right now. How can I make sure I don't close my current connection as opposed to the idle one?
[08:09] <Pegasos989> k
[08:09] <Trackilizer> Has anyone got the new version of Ubuntu to work without doint a complete new install? I did "apt-get dist-upgrade" but my system is now very unstable and crashes alot.
[08:10] <Trackilizer> Should i just re-install?
[08:10] <Trackilizer> doing*
[08:10] <apokryphos> Trackilizer: did you follow the guide for upgrading?
[08:11] <ScatterBrain> Trackilizer: (Personal Opinion) But this "new" version of Ubuntu has been known for those issues - upgraded or not.
[08:11] <apokryphos> no it hasn't
[08:11] <fyrmedic> is there an app that easily converts music file types?
[08:11] <fyrmedic> in ubuntu
[08:11] <ScatterBrain> Trackilizer: I've had problems ranging from wifi card issues to Firefox just disappearing.
[08:11] <vbgunz> Trackilizer backup your home directory and just try your best to remember all of the programs you used. Then do a fresh install. I found out upgrading wasn't exactly upgrading... A fresh install was very different from my previous upgrade... If you can help it, try putting your home directory on it's own partition too...
[08:11] <minim> sadpanda, se the idletime on the process
[08:12] <nalioth> anyone know if we have a thai channel?
[08:12] <apokryphos> vbgunz: then you did the upgrade wrong
[08:12] <vbgunz> apokryphos: I went with the flow...
[08:12] <apokryphos> vbgunz: a stable -> stable dist-upgrade is fully-supported, and it's been seamless for all of those people who did it correctly, from my experience.
[08:13] <sexcopter8000m> hi, how can i see what daemons are running at the moment?
[08:13] <Trackilizer> So, what would you guys suggest? Just backup my data and re-install?
[08:13] <vbgunz> apokryphos: maybe I did do it wrong but I tell you I've learned since then... Now I can do a full reinstall and have Ubuntu the way I have it now in less than about 20 minutes :)
[08:13] <SpaceCake> sori, finally here
[08:14] <apokryphos> vbgunz: sure, it's still an unnecessary hassle, when you can do it perfectly by changing one file and typing in two commands
[08:14] <SpaceCake> got a prob with a soundcard, it does not work with the first user which I made during install
[08:14] <SpaceCake> with a the second one works fine ..
[08:14] <SpaceCake> ideas ? :)
[08:14] <vbgunz> apokryphos: not sure what commands I used but maybe it was dist-update dist-upgrade... something along those lines I believe...
[08:15] <SpaceCake> I am loosing my mind on it
[08:15] <thrush> SpaceCake: does the first user have under prefereces- sound the sound card selected?
[08:15] <xxenon> ?java 1.5
[08:15] <mifritscher> SpaceCake: seems to be a access right problem
[08:15] <xxenon> how to trigger help ?
[08:15] <SpaceCake> thrush, it cant find it
[08:15] <oneseventeen> when I make changes to menu.lst for the grub bootloader, is there a way to save my preferences, so the next grup update doesn't overwrite my changes?
[08:15] <mommer> hi. my gf has nuked her pppoe setting. how can she install it anew?
[08:15] <dell500> can WindowsXP be installed after installing 5.10?
[08:16] <SpaceCake> mifritscher,  how to solve it ?
[08:16] <dell500> i really need to format my ipod, but i can't in linu
[08:16] <dell500> x
[08:16] <Trackilizer> When will the ubuntuguide be updated?
[08:16] <apokryphos> dell500: why ever not?
[08:16] <thrush> oneseventeen: i normally just sudo cp menu.lst menu.lst-backup or something
[08:16] <apokryphos> Trackilizer: hopefully it'll die out first
[08:16] <dell500> apokryphos, ?
[08:16] <apokryphos> dell500: why can't you format it from linux?
[08:16] <vbgunz> dell500: you might want to create a partition for XP before trying to take up the whole drive with Ubuntu
[08:16] <dell500> apokryphos:  i don't know, you know of a howto?
[08:17] <dell500> vbgunz:  i have a 30gb hd for winblows
[08:17] <apokryphos> dell500: use gparted
[08:17] <oneseventeen> cool, thanks again thrush, I'm going to reboot now and see if windows is still accessable.  Unfortunately work requires some windows-only apps :(
[08:17] <dell500> apokryphos:  right o, hold on
[08:17] <flexan> hello, i started 2.6.12-9 with the k7 kernel and then did modprobe ath_pci as instructed to get my d-link WiFi card working, it works fine with the 386 kernel, but doesn't work in the k7 kernel. Unforunately modprobe returned: ath_pci module not found
[08:17] <dell500> apokryphos:  do i need to do an apt-get for that command?
[08:17] <vbgunz> dell500: the easiest way is to setup all of your parititons first. Then install each OS onto it's own parition without hassle of resizing, etc...
[08:17] <dell500> vbgunz:  i know :)
[08:18] <apokryphos> dell500: if it's not installed, then sure -- install it from synaptic.
[08:18] <vbgunz> dell500: yes, you can install XP after Ubuntu
[08:18] <dell500> vbgunz:  i was just wondering if winblows can be installed after ubuntu, most of the time you're suppose to do winxp then ubuntu, cause of grub
[08:18] <vbgunz> dell500: you can edit grub to point to Windows I believe
[08:19] <vbgunz> dell500: I did it the otherway around.. XP, then Breezy...
[08:19] <dell500> apokryphos:  ok, what's after that?
[08:19] <apokryphos> dell500: plug in your ipod and fire it up
[08:20] <SpaceCake> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied
[08:20] <SpaceCake> wtf
[08:20] <dell500> apokryphos:  what's the syntax for this, and if i wipe the ipod clean with this command, how do i get the os back onto the ipod?
[08:20] <nandasunu> hi
[08:20] <apokryphos> dell500: I wouldn't know... do they recommend that you use a particular tool?
[08:20] <thrush> dell500: very easy to setup boot loader afer u install windows as long as u have a livecd knoppix or ubuntu or something
[08:21] <nandasunu> I have a quick question about shell scripts
[08:21] <dell500> apokryphos:  ya, they recommend using the ipod program in OSX or Win
[08:21] <dell500> whcih REALLY sucks
[08:21] <apokryphos> dell500: there's a howto on recovering Ubuntu after Windoze installation if you *need* it
[08:21] <dell500> cause i delete windows a long time ago
[08:21] <apokryphos> !grub
[08:21] <ubotu> well, grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[08:21] <dell500> well maybe my grub setup is messed up, cause i used to have windows on here before i upgraded
[08:22] <dell500> but i did a fresh install of ubuntu
[08:22] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there's a .deb for the latest firefox rc?  I've installed it manually, but a .deb would be nicer for upgrade purposes
[08:22] <SpaceCake> mifritscher,  you where right... mea culpa
[08:23] <eSPete> NoUse, i've istalle firestarter, but whne i try to start i i gets "Error reading file /etc/firestarter/inbound/allow-service: No such file or directory
[08:23] <eSPete> " and 10 other error like it
[08:23] <flexan> so ath_pci is installed and working witht he default kernel, how do i install it for the k7 kernel, since when I modprobe it on the k7 kernel it says ath_pci not found?
[08:24] <SpaceCake> btw, I solved the dialup problem. on the wiki was solved by a console ppp.  I solved with installing gnome-ppp :P
[08:24] <SpaceCake> flexan,  recompile from souce to get the module ?
[08:24] <cubex> hello everyone
[08:24] <sabmann> nalioth, i did it lol
[08:25] <cubex> can somebody please tell me why is my breezy lagging so much?
[08:25] <flexan> hmm and the one that shipped with the cd and works in the 386 kernel won't work with the k7 kernel?
[08:25] <crimsun> cubex: more details, please. That question is much too vague.
[08:25] <OneSeventeen> thrush, bad news... it worked and I'm in windows now.  :(  Thanks though, this helps a ton!
[08:25] <cubex> i installed the 32bit version on an Athlon64 and it was very very slow. the 64bit's performance was great, but not the 32bit
[08:25] <SpaceCake> cuber I am running on a Cwleron 300Mhz 128MB ram, and is ok :)
[08:25] <cubex> crimsun: well, for example, do you know the fading effect in gnome when you click log out?
[08:25] <SpaceCake> cuber=cubex
[08:26] <sdakota> hello
[08:26] <sabmann> breezy is almost two times faster as hoary for me
[08:26] <AceB747> is it reccomended to install x86 or the amd64 on a athlon 3000+ 64bit proc?
[08:26] <cubex> crimsun: that drops frames like i'm running it on a pentium
[08:26] <cubex> but why?! why is it suffering on my machine only?
[08:26] <SpaceCake> AceB747, its too fast for that... will blow
[08:26] <AceB747> spacecake, what do you mean?
[08:26] <cubex> i have an athlon64 3800+, 2 gigs of ram, and a geforce 6800
[08:26] <cubex> it shouldn't be *this* slow, right?
[08:26] <nalioth> sabmann: good to hear
[08:27] <SpaceCake> cubex no it should not be so slow
[08:27] <sdakota> I'm not sure if this question belongs here,... Linux thinks its local IP is 192.168.1.10, which is generally okay because I access it like that,... but the DNS server thinks my internet ip is 192.168.1.10 too. What value and where (within Linux, within the DNS server or within VHCS) do I change to change the internet ip to my real internet ip?
[08:27] <tiffinfilion> I need some installation help.  When I get to the installing packages part it says that it encountered an error and to either burn the cd at a slower rate (did it) or clean the cd (did that too)....
[08:27] <AceB747> spacecake, should i only install the x86 then?
[08:27] <cubex> i heard about firefox issues, but it's not only limited to firefox, it was very slow. i installed suse and slackware with dropline gnome, both where much faster.
[08:27] <cubex> any recommendations?
[08:28] <SpaceCake> AceB747, besides testing both, no ideas. sorry
[08:28] <cubex> if you guys can just point me in the right direction that'll be great. i'm not sure even where to start looking
[08:28] <AceB747> spacecake, i have tried the amd64 before and it seemed like there were a ton of bugs... is it still like that?
[08:29] <varsendagger> how do i add services to a user? like audio?
[08:29] <apokryphos> amd64+ubuntu is very sweet
[08:29] <sabmann> cubex, I don't now, i've got an duron 1600 can't help you
[08:29] <SpaceCake> AceB747, I am running the x86 on 300Mhz on a sloooow hdd, and no problem
[08:29] <mostrodibiscotti> When I browse the root of myu Ubuntu 5.10 install, I see directories like "home", "var", etc.  Seems like when I did a Mandrake install a long time ago, I created these as partitions, but now the auto partitioning makes them as directories.  Where can I go to understand what each directory's purpose is?  A document that maybe talks about this.
[08:29] <SpaceCake> varsendagger,  System > Administration> user manager ?
[08:29] <AceB747> is the amd64 backwards compatible with stuff that would only be 32bit?
[08:30] <varsendagger> SpaceCake, how aobut from CLI?
[08:30] <cubex> so nobody is suffering from breezy's performance?
[08:30] <tiffinfilion> I need installation help
[08:30] <cubex> it's just me?
[08:30] <varsendagger> -- i'm running fubuntu only
[08:30] <eternalist> tiffinfilion: whats the problem?
[08:30] <freemanen> Whar changes will it be in drapper drake
[08:30] <tiffinfilion> While installing, it stops at the installing packages part and tells me to either re-burn the cd at a slower rate (which I've done) or clean the CD (done also)
[08:30] <SpaceCake> varsendagger,  nfc
[08:30] <thrush> AceB747: u shouldnt have a problem running regular 386 stuff
[08:30] <varsendagger> ahh
[08:31] <thrush> AceB747: even with other kernel
[08:31] <eternalist> tiffinfilion: corrupt iso image perhaps?
[08:31] <nalioth> AceB747: are you asking if you can run flash, w32codecs realplayer and other commercial things on amd64 out-of-the-box? the answer is no
[08:31] <eternalist> where did you download the iso from? get it from one of the sites listed at the Ubuntu page.
[08:31] <crimsun> cubex: if the amd64 version of Ubuntu runs fast, why use the 32-bit one?
[08:31] <tiffinfilion> I got it off one of the sites listed on ubuntu's site
[08:31] <Pegasos989> !openGL
[08:31] <ubotu> Pegasos989: Wish i knew
[08:31] <eternalist> nalioth: speaking of w32codecs..that package never solved my problema nd wmv is still garbled.
[08:31] <Pegasos989> hmm
[08:32] <AceB747> naloith, this is exactly what i am asking
[08:32] <Pegasos989> !radeon
[08:32] <ubotu> Pegasos989: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:32] <nalioth> eternalist: modern wmv will not play in linux at this time
[08:32] <eternalist> nalioth: do you know when they will or?
[08:32] <eternalist> ubotu: !ati
[08:32] <AceB747> naloith, i got wmv working in ubuntu
[08:32] <ubotu> eternalist: Bugger all, i dunno
[08:32] <Pegasos989> !ati
[08:32] <ubotu> I heard ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[08:32] <eternalist> ubotu: !wmv
[08:32] <Pegasos989> thanks
[08:33] <ubotu> eternalist: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:33] <crimsun> wmv3 will play with libvc1 on vlc on i386.
[08:33] <tiffinfilion> eternalist: can you recommend one of the links?  I don't remember which one I used to get the iso from
[08:33] <nalioth> eternalist: as soon as the reverse-engineering-elves figure it out
[08:33] <flexan> will the default modules that came with the 5.10 breezy badger 2.6.12-9-386 kernel work with the 2.6.12-9-k7 kernel?
[08:33] <eternalist> tiffinfilion: unfortunately i forgot which one i got mine from..just remember FTP sites in your location will be the fastest
[08:33] <eternalist> AceB747: explain what you did..
[08:33] <eternalist> AceB747: you can play modern wmvs?
[08:34] <tiffinfilion> eternalist: okay, will try again...hopefully I won't be back :D  Thanks
[08:34] <cubex> guys, anybody here is using a gigabye k8snxp motherboard?
[08:34] <AceB747> eternalist, i just downloaded the codecs from mplayer site and copied them into the plugin directory
[08:34] <eternalist> tiffinfilion: lol alright,np
[08:34] <eternalist> AceB747: already did that..
[08:34] <eternalist> Anyone know why Amule goes so damn slow?
[08:34] <eternalist> im getting like 5 kb/s
[08:34] <eternalist> welfare
[08:35] <AceB747> eternalist, lol... amule is slow at nature
[08:35] <AceB747> eternalist, could be a blocked port though
[08:35] <eternalist> AceB747: when i first got it working i was blazing
[08:36] <AceB747> why dont the w32codecs work on amd64 arch?
[08:38] <nalioth> AceB747: because they are compiled for x86 kernels
[08:38] <purplefeltangel> my internet is not working...i have a router, and it's working on the second computer, and when i boot into Windows XP, but not in Ubuntu....
[08:38] <nalioth> AceB747: they will run (maybe) if you set up a 32bit chroot on your amd64 box
[08:38] <SpaceCake> why my Firefox plugins are user based and not host based ?
[08:39] <paxmaster> for some reason I can't print in opera
[08:39] <AceB747> naloith, i think i am going to do a 32bit install... it is not worth it for the 64bit
[08:39] <paxmaster> duno why
[08:39] <paxmaster> in the file menu print there no printer
[08:39] <dell500> does anyone here know how to reset an ipod on linux?
[08:39] <nalioth> AceB747: very good
[08:39] <shinu> is there any way to install ff1.5 from the repos or do i have to compile from source?
[08:40] <paxmaster> but i can print in mozilla openoffices but not in opera
[08:40] <AceB747> naloith, thank you for saving me all the time
[08:40] <romey> dell500.  i can reset my ipod mini by holding down menu and the center button
[08:41] <dell500> romey:  like to factory defaults?
[08:41] <dell500> like removing everything, then putting the ipod back to its original package
[08:41] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: wait explain again?
[08:41] <romey> dell500.  no.  it just reboots it.
[08:41] <AceB747> ubuntu 6.10 is unstable?
[08:42] <slide> Ok, so the default firefox that is installed doesnt come with the document inspector, do i have to compile my own copy to get that?
[08:42] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: i have a router setup. the internet will connect on this computer, and when i boot to Windows XP on the other computer, but not on Ubuntu (which is on the same computer as Windows XP)
[08:42] <dell500> AceB747:  5.10
[08:42] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: network-admin and then type your password..configure from there.
[08:43] <AceB747> dell500, what is 6.10?
[08:43] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: everything looks fine in network-admin
[08:43] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: if your router/NAT supports DHCP broadcasting, it will give the card an ip by default, so make sure dhcp is selected from teh drop down menu
[08:43] <slide> rather, DOM inspector
[08:43] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: it's set to DHCP.
[08:43] <slide> i got it hehe
[08:43] <dell500> AceB747:  Ubuntu 5.10 Breezey Badger is the current version out
[08:43] <dell500> there is no 6.10
[08:43] <dell500> just FYI
[08:44] <AceB747> dell500, i am downloading 6.10 right now
[08:44] <eternalist> lol @ chaky
[08:44] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: hmm
[08:44] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: do you know what the ip of that computer needs to be?
[08:44] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: no.
[08:44] <eternalist> you can set it yourself manually, and then edit the DNS and what domains to search.
[08:44] <AceB747> dell500, maybe the file is named incorrectly
[08:45] <eternalist> check the DNS tab under network-admin and see if theres any information in there.
[08:45] <eternalist> DNS servers shoudl read 192.168.0.1 or whatever the ip of your router is
[08:45] <crimsun> AceB747: um, we haven't released 6.04 yet, much less 6.10.
[08:45] <eternalist> then under Search Domains you should have your ISP info there.
[08:45] <eternalist> crimsun: you're part of the Ubuntu team?
[08:46] <BockBilbo> hello
[08:46] <purplefeltangel> eternalist, yes, there is an IP address under DNS server and my ISP is listed under search domains.
[08:46] <crimsun> eternalist: yes, I'm a universe/multiverse maintainer (wiki/MOTU)
[08:46] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me which filesystem is better between reiserfs and ext3?
[08:46] <crimsun> BockBilbo: depends on the desired usage
[08:46] <eternalist> crimsun: cool
[08:46] <eternalist> props man, i really like this distro
[08:46] <BockBilbo> crimsum for my root and my home
[08:46] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: okay, ping google.ca and tell me what you get
[08:46] <crimsun> BockBilbo: but what will you be doing with them?
[08:46] <eternalist> or better yet, type ifconfig eth0
[08:46] <crimsun> hi james
[08:46] <AceB747> dell500, nm i must already have downlaoded it and firefox sequentally renames it
[08:47] <sky_monkey007> hey guys :)  Does anyone know how I can rename a file that is inside of a .zip?  The filename is all messed up and no program I have will extract it.
[08:47] <BockBilbo> dayly user crimsun
[08:47] <dutch> hi crimsun..doing okay ?
[08:47] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: wait, ifconfig only
[08:47] <BockBilbo> mmm usual programs and some development
[08:47] <BockBilbo> plus engineering stuff
[08:47] <crimsun> dutch: yep, just fine, yourself?
[08:47] <BockBilbo> *daily use
[08:47] <dutch> not complaining too loucly...
[08:48] <crimsun> BockBilbo: the default ext3 will suffice
[08:48] <dutch> loucly/ loudly :)
[08:48] <BockBilbo> and when will be reiserfs better?
[08:48] <BockBilbo> in a web serer for instance?
[08:48] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: ok, when i pinged i got "unknown host" and when i did ifconfig i got a bunch of random information.
[08:48] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: its not random..
[08:48] <AceB747> does vmware work well to run windows under linux?
[08:48] <crimsun> BockBilbo: if you have millions of tiny files
[08:48] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: "random" meaning "I don't understand a lick of it"
[08:49] <eternalist> purplefeltangel: what does it say for inet addr: second line..
[08:49] <BockBilbo> i see
[08:49] <crimsun> BockBilbo: tiny in the context of 2kb-4kb
[08:49] <BockBilbo> aham
[08:49] <kandoora_> what is md5sum ad36f7de1bba1229d143b93d2b6cd8e9
[08:49] <kandoora_> what does it do
[08:49] <kandoora_> how do i use it
[08:49] <BockBilbo> i think i read that reiserfs is newer than ext3
[08:49] <BockBilbo> mmm
[08:49] <kandoora_> can it be used to download packages
[08:49] <BockBilbo> thanks
[08:49] <Marxist> man md5sum
[08:50] <crimsun> BockBilbo: new != better for all intensive purposes
[08:50] <Amaranth> kandoora_: No, paranoid people use md5sum to make sure their downloads aren't corrupt or changed by an evil 3rd party
[08:50] <BockBilbo> aham
[08:50] <BockBilbo> crimsun, thanks for all
[08:50] <purplefeltangel> eternalist: "72.141.28.209 Bcast: 255.255.255.255 Mask: 255.255.255.128"
[08:50] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:50] <BockBilbo> egotta go
[08:50] <BockBilbo> bye
[08:51] <kandoora_> what is cvs
[08:51] <kandoora_> how can i use it to compile
[08:51] <kemik> !cvs
[08:51] <ubotu> from memory, cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[08:53] <freemanen> how long will it take to get ubuntu cd:s
[08:53] <noddaba> I'm looking for a link that can help explain to someone that Linux doesn't have a memory leak, it's Linux actively caching memory.  Anybody know of a good site off the top of their head?
[08:53] <Seveas> freemanen, shipit takes 4 to 6 weeks
[08:53] <siriuskr> took me like 2 months i think
[08:53] <purplefeltangel> freemanen: depends on where you live.
[08:53] <freemanen>  2005-10-26: 5 CDs (sent to shipping company)
[08:54] <freemanen> I live in sweden
[08:54] <siriuskr> a good unrarer for linux ready set go !!!
[08:54] <Seveas> freemanen, them wait 2-3 more weeks
[08:54] <purplefeltangel> freemanen, they should come soon. mine took almost exactly a month and i'm in Canada, and htey send from France.
[08:54] <Seveas> purplefeltangel, ehrm, they send from holland...
[08:54] <paxmaster> for some reason I can't print in opera
[08:54] <BooZee> I can't see textboxes in flash !
[08:54] <purplefeltangel> seveas *shrug* mine came from france.
[08:54] <freemanen> Do they send it from france?
[08:55] <purplefeltangel> freemanen: i guess they send from multiple locations. but it's in europe, anyway.
[08:55] <Pegasos989> Hmmh. I have read the repository guides a dozen time and still can't understand what is the problem, so I guess it's best to just copy paste http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 to some repsitory file. Could someone tell me where exactly is this file located?
[08:55] <freemanen> ok
[08:55] <Seveas> Pegasos989, /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <Pegasos989> thanks, Seveas
[08:55] <Seveas> the easy way: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:56] <Seveas> the O in -O is a capital Oh, not a zero
[08:56] <Pegasos989> ok, thanks
[08:56] <Seveas> Pegasos989, eh dang WAIT
[08:56] <Seveas> the easy way: sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <Seveas> the d is *very* important
[08:57] <dell500> !grub
[08:57] <ubotu> grub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[08:57] <Pegasos989> Seveas,  kinda noticed...
[08:57] <Pegasos989> :D
[08:57] <purplefeltangel> egh, can someone help me with my net connection? the person who was helping me before left...
[08:57] <mrverbose> anyone using aqhbci on ubuntu?
[08:58] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, please explain your problem again
[08:58] <mrverbose> i have been unable to get the library installed due to dependency errors
[08:58] <BooZee> Help! I can't see textboxes in flash !
[08:58] <purplefeltangel> marxist: i have a router setup. i can connect on this computer, and on the other computer when i boot into windows XP, but not when i boot into Ubuntu.
[08:58] <dell500> when installing Windows after Ubuntu, does the DVD work as well, cause that has the live cd with it i think.
[08:59] <Seveas> dell500, yes
[08:59] <dell500> kool beans :)
[08:59] <dell500> is installing windows hard after installing ubuntu?
[08:59] <dell500> for a dual boot?
[08:59] <sky_monkey007> purplefeltangel: have you tried going into Gnomes Network utility to try to see if you can pull an IP address?
[08:59] <kemik> !recover
[08:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:59] <BooZee> !flash
[08:59] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, flash is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:00] <kemik> dell500 ^^
[09:00] <sky_monkey007> dell500: if your going to have a dual boot system, you have to do Windows first, and then Linux...
[09:00] <purplefeltangel> sky_monkey007: which is the Network utility?
[09:00] <kemik> sky_monkey007: not really
[09:00] <sky_monkey007> otherwise the boot loader gets overwritten by Windows
[09:00] <dell500> sky_monkey007:  not really
[09:00] <shinu> if i install firefox 1.5 from source, does it overwrite my firefox 1.0.7 binaries?
[09:00] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, You have two computers, tell me the Operating system on each
[09:01] <sky_monkey007> kemik: I've not seen a single instance where Windows doesn't overwrite the bootloader, regardless if you use LiLO or Grub
[09:01] <Marxist> and tell me which is not woking for you
[09:01] <Seveas> sky_monkey007, you can *restore* the bootloader
[09:01] <kemik> sky_monkey007: as Seveas said.. and the howto has been pasted...
[09:01] <sky_monkey007> yeah, you CAN restore it.  It's just a pain in the ass.
[09:01] <BooZee> need help with flash! can't see text in flash movies
[09:01] <dell500> sky_monkey007:  that's why there is a howto on recoving ubuntu after installing windows
[09:01] <purplefeltangel> marxist: on this computer, win98. on the other computer, dual-boot system of winXP and ubuntu
[09:01] <Seveas> shinu, not if you do it properly
[09:01] <Seveas> BooZee: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:01] <Marxist> ok, what kind of connect for you have?
[09:01] <shinu> Seveas: as in? :D
[09:01] <dell500> !flash
[09:01] <ubotu> flash is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <sky_monkey007> Why would you want to run Windows anyways?  It's crap :P
[09:01] <Marxist> connection*
[09:02] <dell500> BooZee:  there ya go
[09:02] <Seveas> shinu, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[09:02] <nalioth> sky_monkey007: take that to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[09:02] <BooZee> dell500: been there.. no help
[09:03] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, What type of connection is that you have? xdsl, cable?
[09:04] <Marxist> PPPoE?
[09:04] <sky_monkey007> yeah, typo.
[09:04] <shinu> Seveas: and would i have to make a link to /usr/local/mozilla-firefox to open ff1.5 as opposed to 1.0.7?
[09:04] <Marxist> why is that?
[09:04] <sky_monkey007> cable is so much easier :)
[09:04] <Seveas> shinu, you could do that
[09:05] <enkrav> Help! synaptic doesn't work any more, it says -- Impossible to control the list of packages ... - stat (2 No such file or directory), any advice?
[09:05] <shinu> Seveas: any other solutions?
[09:05] <sky_monkey007> enkrav: try an apt-get clean
[09:05] <Seveas> wait for the 1.5 packages which will arrice shortly :)
[09:05] <sky_monkey007> and then apt-get update
[09:05] <bl3ssing> good day everyone
[09:05] <Marxist> yeah, cable is easier but it's upload atleast in new york is not as fast as a dsl's
[09:06] <levander> I think I smeared some Artic Silver thermal compound on my motherboard where it shouldn't be.  Can I clean the motherboard with isopryl alcohol and a lint free cloth?  Or, is that dangerous?
[09:06] <sky_monkey007> Marxist: very true.
[09:06] <purplefeltangel> marxist, i have a cable modem
[09:06] <bl3ssing> how can I play an wmv file with a video player in linux ...? where should I take any codecs for kubuntu?
[09:06] <sky_monkey007> Isopropyl alcohol won't hurt it.  Just make sure it's a high percentage of alcohol
[09:06] <sky_monkey007> otherwise it might leave crap behind as residue
[09:06] <purplefeltangel> (sorry it took so long; my mom made me set up an alarm clock)
[09:06] <thrush> levander: u should be fine with that
[09:07] <levander> sky_monkey007: it says 70% USP.  Is USP alcohol?
[09:07] <sky_monkey007> thats a decent amount.  You probably won't find much higher.
[09:07] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, try to ping 192.168.0.1 from your ubuntu box
[09:07] <purplefeltangel> marxist: ok i will do that
[09:07] <shinu> Seveas: ff 1.5 is due in two weeks or something right? (i mean the official realease)
[09:08] <sky_monkey007> purplefeltangel: if that doesn't work, be sure to tell us what brand of router your using.  Some have a different gateway IP address.
[09:08] <Seveas> shinu, the devs are packaging the betas too
[09:08] <levander> I've also got this new ArctiClean "thermal material remover" that you're supposed to use on CPU's, anybody know *for sure* if I can use that on my motherboard?  It does a much better job than isopryl alcohol, at least it did on the CPU.
[09:09] <purplefeltangel> marxist: "destination host unreachable"
[09:09] <bl3ssing> how can I play an wmv file with a video player in linux ...? where should I take any codecs for kubuntu?
[09:09] <sky_monkey007> levander: I wouldn't risk it.  Just use the alcohol
[09:09] <shinu> Seveas: really? so we had deb for beta version already?.. or did i misunderstand something?..
[09:09] <MagicFab> !w32codecs
[09:09] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[09:09] <sky_monkey007> b13ssing, you need the win32 codecs
[09:09] <bl3ssing> they are illegally
[09:09] <sky_monkey007> you can get them from Mplayers website
[09:09] <sethk> levander, I second that, definitely don't use it
[09:09] <bl3ssing> I want something legally
[09:09] <levander> sky_monkey007: yeah, I think I'm gonna do it the hard way.  There's so damn little documentation on articsilver.com.
[09:09] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: also check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:09] <enkrav> Tahank you very much sky_monkey007: Your solution worked! It would be nice if synaptic told your "solution" in a dialog box and offered to try it out.
[09:10] <levander> sethk: sky_monkey00: thanks, I'm doing it the hard way with isopryl.  Thanks guys.
[09:10] <sky_monkey007> b13ssing: it's not illegal.  They are redistributable codecs.
[09:10] <bl3ssing> I want to use synaptic too, but where can I find it ...
[09:10] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: as long as you already have a Windows licence, they're legal - of course IANAL ;)
[09:10] <Iconsumed> I just switched from debian to ubuntu, but the keymap I had in debian "dvorak(se)" doesn't exist. Is there a way of getting it?
[09:10] <bl3ssing> I have the winxp licence but I want to quit with it ...
[09:10] <sky_monkey007> not like Microsofts going to come after you for downloading codecs anyways, lmao.
[09:10] <bl3ssing> I want to learn using linux
[09:10] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, check the cables and make sure they are properly connected to their ports, but first i will ask that you run sudo ifconfig eth0
[09:10] <bl3ssing> no windows anymore
[09:11] <sky_monkey007> thats fine.  Just stop using it.  There's not real "quitting" or canceling your license
[09:11] <yi> any muine users around?
[09:11] <bl3ssing> I know .. but I want to use codecs perfectly legally. where can I find them?
[09:11] <purplefeltangel> marxist, i have checked the cables 6000000 times and i have ifconfig eth0 up right now; what do you want to know?
[09:11] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: a good source of info for replacement formats is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[09:11] <sky_monkey007> b13ssing, I already told you.
[09:11] <yi> i've written a patch that improves album art fetching but i'd like to do some tests and see how accurate it is
[09:11] <Marxist> just the output from that
[09:11] <sky_monkey007> it is 100% absolutely legal if you have ever purchased a version of Windows
[09:12] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: there's no way you can use the codecs legally unless you pay a licence fee for them to the patent / licence holders
[09:12] <purplefeltangel> marxist: whole thing? thatll take a minute; brb
[09:12] <sky_monkey007> MagicFab: He already owns Windows
[09:12] <sky_monkey007> He's paid his license fee.
[09:12] <sky_monkey007> He can legally use them to play WMV content
[09:12] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: that "fee" is included in Windows price, laptops pricing (for example) and "pro" versions of other distros (like Mandriva)
[09:13] <devint> IANAL, but I agree with sky_monkey007
[09:13] <MagicFab> sky_monkey007: just explaining where the fee comes from - it's not "free"
[09:13] <devint> IANAL, but I agree with sky_monkey007*
[09:13] <crashprone> Hey.  Problems with Flash.  Help?
[09:13] <bl3ssing> how can I take compile those files ... those codecs from the website you gave me ... MagicFab ?
[09:13] <sky_monkey007> The only reason the W32 codecs do not come shipped w/ Ubuntu or other 100% open source distros is because they haven't paid Microsoft the licensing to package it.
[09:14] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: I gave you several - which one ?
[09:14] <bl3ssing> I know it very well MagicFab , in this way I got this licence ... I've my own laptop HP nw8000
[09:14] <bl3ssing> lol MagicFab
[09:14] <sky_monkey007> bl3ssing: you download them from www.mplayer.hq.hu, unzip them in your /usr/lib/w32 directory
[09:14] <bl3ssing> www.theora
[09:14] <Marxist> pruplefeltangel, try running sudo dhclient
[09:15] <MagicFab> sky_monkey007: can't they just be installed thru apt-get / synaptic ? I believe they're in universe/multivers repos.
[09:15] <bl3ssing> sorry sky_monkey007 , i can't speak any hungarn language ...
[09:15] <Pegasos989> Can I install mPlayer by just going to synaptic and searching for it?
[09:15] <Marxist> and then run ping www.yahoo.com
[09:15] <nalioth> bl3ssing: it's not in hungarian
[09:15] <crashprone> Hey, ahh... I installed the "swf-player" package in apt-get, and it shows up as a plugin in browsers, but it just doesn't run, the place it should be is blank.
[09:15] <sky_monkey007> rather, www.mplayerhq.hu
[09:15] <sky_monkey007> it's not hungarian.
[09:15] <Pegasos989> k
[09:16] <bl3ssing> sorry, but i don't understand what is written right over there.
[09:16] <sky_monkey007> MagicFab, I have the universe repos and I didn't see the Win32 codecs.
[09:16] <bl3ssing> hungary is my country neighbor so ...
[09:16] <el-esco> hello , can anyone tell me if they tried playing games on the ubuntu software?
[09:16] <MagicFab> It's very detailed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba
[09:16] <bl3ssing> why is the domain than in *.hu?
[09:17] <Pegasos989> sky_monkey007, I can't use Red Hat / Fedora RPM packages natively, can I? So do I need to compile from source or something O.o
[09:17] <sky_monkey007> b13ssing, here is the link to the download: http://www4.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/windows-all-20050412.zip
[09:17] <el-esco> need some help in installing some games on my operating system
[09:17] <Marxist> Pegasos989, apt-get install mplayer but make sure you choose the one with your systems architecture
[09:17] <crashprone> What type of games?
[09:17] <Marxist> Pegasos989, mplayer-k7 is for athlons
[09:17] <sky_monkey007> Pegasos989: there is a way to take a src.rpm and build it as a .deb package, I believe
[09:18] <Pegasos989> Marxist, okay
[09:18] <MagicFab> Pegasos989: mplayer is also in synaptic - no need to comiple or use .debs
[09:18] <sky_monkey007> I think alien can do it.
[09:18] <nalioth> sky_monkey007: that is not necessary at all, and not recommended
[09:18] <MagicFab> Use .debs with alien as *last resort*
[09:18] <nalioth> Pegasos989: please do not use non ubuntu pkgs or repositories
[09:18] <sky_monkey007> nalioth, I'm just stating that you CAN.  I never said it's recommended.
[09:18] <n0dl> is java compatable with links?
[09:18] <el-esco> counterstrike..
[09:18] <el-esco> painkiller.. and various others
[09:19] <purplefeltangel> marxist: i just PMed you
[09:19] <nalioth> n0dl: links the browser(s) dont use java
[09:19] <sky_monkey007> Nothing wrong with knowing how to do things "outside the box"
[09:19] <Marxist> oh sorry
[09:19] <d03boy> can anyone tell me an easy/quick way to reinstall grub into the mbr so I can dualboot again (I reinstalled winxp so it overwrote the mbr)
[09:19] <MagicFab> !mbr
[09:19] <n0dl> nalioth: which text browsers allow java?
[09:19] <ubotu> Not a clue, MagicFab
[09:19] <sky_monkey007> d03boy: do you have a linux boot disk?
[09:19] <nalioth> n0dl: none, to my knowledge
[09:19] <d03boy> sky_monkey007: i could download one
[09:19] <Pegasos989> nalioth, okay. I took it from apt-get
[09:19] <el-esco> can games get installed on it in the first place?
[09:20] <nalioth> Pegasos989: make sure you also install mplayer-fonts
[09:20] <MagicFab> d03boy: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:20] <Pegasos989> nalioth, okay, thanks
[09:20] <d03boy> ok
[09:20] <MagicFab> el-esco: so far I think the easiest way is using Cedega's tools
[09:20] <sky_monkey007> d03boy: follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-76652.html
[09:20] <bl3ssing> what's the best video player which has all the codecs for linux?
[09:20] <el-esco> cedega tools.. download link?
[09:20] <mostrodibiscotti> is there a gui for iptables?
[09:21] <crashprone> el-esco: Yeah, Windows-based games are thougher to get running though.  A lot of Linux games are in the Universe repository though, so you'll need to enable that first for them.
[09:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell mostrodibiscotti about Firestarter
[09:21] <MagicFab> el-esco: Sorry, Cedega is the product, Transgaming the company
[09:21] <MagicFab> el-esco: non-free, BTW (subscription)
[09:21] <d03boy> i dont have an ubuntu cd.... but i guess i'll have to get one :|
[09:21] <sky_monkey007> el-esco: it's free if you build it from cvs
[09:22] <sky_monkey007> it's tricky, but I did it.
[09:22] <sky_monkey007> you just don't get access to the support
[09:22] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: vlc does a good job *using* existing codecs and is light. Most players don't "include" codecs
[09:22] <crashprone> I've never done the CVS thing.  :-S
[09:22] <sky_monkey007> there's a good guide out there that helped me.
[09:22] <el-esco> can i use your sky monkey
[09:22] <bl3ssing> thanks MagicFab ... where can i find vlc player?
[09:22] <el-esco> i mean.. sorry .. can i use your cvs
[09:22] <sky_monkey007> google for "Install Cedega CVS"
[09:22] <Kasatka> Hey all
[09:23] <sky_monkey007> uh, you can't just "use" mine.  You have to install it yourself :)
[09:23] <el-esco> ah ok :) thx
[09:23] <sky_monkey007> el-esco: it's pretty easy.  Just follow all the steps exactly how it says.
[09:23] <el-esco> so first i enable universe repository
[09:23] <el-esco> then install cedega
[09:23] <el-esco> cvs
[09:23] <sky_monkey007> you may need to install some development packages to do it, though.
[09:23] <mostrodibiscotti> nalioth
[09:24] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: almost all packages / software discussed can be found on synaptic
[09:24] <sky_monkey007> uh...no.
[09:24] <mostrodibiscotti> thank you, I will google firestarter
[09:24] <MagicFab> (the package manager)
[09:24] <sky_monkey007> You can't get it that way, not for cvs at least
[09:24] <nalioth> mostrodibiscotti: firestarter is in the repos, no need to google
[09:24] <sky_monkey007> brb
[09:24] <MagicFab> sky_monkey007: didn't know you could build it - the FAQ mentions the dependencies: http://www.transgaming.com/cedega_faq.php
[09:25] <Deysi> hi
[09:25] <mostrodibiscotti> I just installed it, using synaptic
[09:25] <bl3ssing> I can't find the synaptic ...program.
[09:26] <bl3ssing> MagicFab, I can't find the synaptic ...program.
[09:26] <mostrodibiscotti> what I'd like to do is create a firewall/router appliance for my network
[09:26] <nalioth> bl3ssing: system > admin > synaptic
[09:26] <mostrodibiscotti> is iptables the way to go?
[09:26] <bl3ssing> how can I compli the binary files?
[09:26] <Deysi> how can I use it ??
[09:26] <bl3ssing> I don't have admin ... nalioth  :-(
[09:26] <Marxist> purplefeltangel, left so quick after i helped her fix her connection problems. :-)
[09:26] <bl3ssing> how can I have it?
[09:26] <Amaranth> !root
[09:26] <ubotu> from memory, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:27] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: admin is a menu, at the top
[09:27] <nalioth> bl3ssing: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[09:27] <Marxist> this is question for the ubuntu developers, does ubuntu enable dhcp by default?
[09:27] <nalioth> MagicFab: not if he's using k- or x- ubuntu
[09:27] <bl3ssing> the last ... nalioth
[09:27] <nalioth> bl3ssing: you're using xubuntu ?
[09:27] <mamoru> hello
[09:27] <bl3ssing> MagicFab, i don't have any admin in the top of the ...
[09:27] <bl3ssing> no
[09:27] <bl3ssing> kubuntu
[09:27] <Deysi> version5.04
[09:27] <nalioth> bl3ssing: then you need "adept"
[09:28] <Marxist> to enable root, type sudo passwd root
[09:28] <nalioth> bl3ssing: adept is in your menus
[09:28] <bl3ssing> but ... why can't I use synaptic?
[09:28] <nalioth> Marxist: please dont advise that
[09:28] <bl3ssing> I know that once I had it ... but I don't know why I don't have it anymore
[09:28] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:28] <mamoru> please help. I have got an ISO image for a bootable floppy disc. How do i create such a disk now from this image?
[09:28] <nalioth> bl3ssing: adept is kubuntus pkg manager, if you want synaptic, install it
[09:28] <MagicFab> mamoru: double-click on it
[09:29] <bl3ssing> is synaptic the same with adept?
[09:29] <Marxist> when you don't want a root user do this as root: passwd -L root
[09:29] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: they're equivalente tools
[09:29] <Marxist> i think that's the right command
[09:29] <bl3ssing> great ...
[09:29] <Marxist> sorry naolith
[09:29] <bl3ssing> than I don't need synaptic.
[09:29] <nalioth> Marxist: advise !root, please
[09:30] <bl3ssing> I can't find vlc player in adept?
[09:30] <nalioth> bl3ssing: enable universe and multiverse repos
[09:30] <MagicFab> bl3ssing: check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptGuide
[09:30] <dell500> so how exactly do i install windows if it doesn't want to install on the partition i asked it to.... windows is so crappy
[09:31] <thrush> dell500: is this for games? if not u can just use vmplayer or somesuch
[09:31] <Marxist> blessing: uncomment the universe and multiverse line /etc/apt/sources.lst
[09:31] <mamoru> hmmm
[09:31] <nalioth> dell500: have you seen qemu?
[09:32] <dell500> thrush:  it's to get my ipod working
[09:32] <dell500> i just saw that on a thread somewhere nalioth
[09:32] <dell500> what is it?
[09:32] <mamoru> another question - how to unRAR the .rar archives?
[09:32] <nalioth> mamoru: unrar x file.rar
[09:32] <varsendagger> hey i added a new user what do i need to do in order to get audio working for this user?
[09:32] <varsendagger> i've added them to group audio
[09:33] <varsendagger> -- trying to get xmms to work, it works with my other user
[09:33] <mamoru> probably the unrar should be installed to be able to perform such an action
[09:33] <thrush> mamoru: u might need to install unrar-nonfree
[09:34] <bl3ssing> how can I read the source.list file?
[09:34] <FJ_Sanchez> Hi
[09:34] <bl3ssing> I'm in the directory, but not able of reading causeo f not knowing ... how to command this.
[09:34] <MagicFa1> dell500: yeah, it's usually easier to first install Win
[09:34] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:34] <thrush> bl3ssing: from a terminal sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list or something
[09:35] <dell500> MagicFa1:  thought so, this is sooooooooo stupid
[09:35] <dell500> lol
[09:35] <FJ_Sanchez> How can I rename a file that begins with - ??
[09:35] <dell500> i just want to get my music onto my ipod without extra space being used up by junk files...
[09:35] <JDahl> FJ_Sanchez, use " "
[09:35] <FJ_Sanchez> Mmm
[09:35] <FJ_Sanchez> But them I couldn't use wildcards, could it?
[09:36] <mamoru> hmmm... Where can I get the unrar-nonfree?
[09:36] <bl3ssing> thanks thrush  ...
[09:36] <bl3ssing> what am I doing now with this sources.list?
[09:36] <bl3ssing> what is this file for?
[09:36] <Red-Sox> in KDE how do you get the time in 12 hour?
[09:36] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez you should be able to escape each question makr - eg. \?\?
[09:37] <ecobuntu> anyone familar with gparted?  i have 1 gb that's unallocated and I want to use it...how can i allocate it to one of the pre-existing partitions?
[09:37] <FJ_Sanchez> NoUse, I know this, but I cannot mv a file that begins with -
[09:37] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez you can escape the - as well
[09:37] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez \-
[09:37] <MagicFa1> bl3ssing: you don't need to edit that file directly. You can do so with Synaptic - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:37] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[09:37] <FJ_Sanchez> NoUse, it doesn't work
[09:38] <MagicFa1> ecobuntu: you can't merge partitions unless one of them was under LVM first
[09:38] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez quotes should work too
[09:38] <benoy> hi all i have a quick question regarding logging out in breezy
[09:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> i am choosing what kindo of partition use. i read about xfs, that is better, at all. XFS is stable in ubuntu? is safe to use?
[09:38] <benoy> What is the difference between "suspend" and "hibernate"
[09:38] <ecobuntu> MagicFa1: so the only way i would be able to get get that extra GB is if i reformat?
[09:38] <FJ_Sanchez> I try with mv "- xxxxx.xx" "xxxxx.xxx"
[09:38] <Aragorn_Guardian> I wanna use smb in those xfs partitions...
[09:38] <FJ_Sanchez> But it doesn't work
[09:39] <bl3ssing> how can I make my mozilla being the default webbrowser? i don't need konquerror cause it is too much conquerring with me. LOL
[09:39] <MagicFa1> benoy: suspend is to memory, hibernate is to hard disk
[09:39] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez what error are you getting?
[09:39] <FJ_Sanchez> mv: invalid option --
[09:39] <MagicFa1> ecobuntu: you could do it in several steps
[09:39] <benoy> anyone??
[09:39] <ecobuntu> MagicFa1: how?
[09:39] <MagicFa1> ecobuntu: 1) copy your "target" partition to another place, free its space, reformat it using LVM
[09:40] <ecobuntu> what's LVM?
[09:40] <benoy> oh i see thank you MagicFal
[09:40] <MagicFa1> 2) recopy the original particion info to your LVM, merge with 2nd partition
[09:40] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez using a GUI to move it might help
[09:40] <FJ_Sanchez> I cannot
[09:40] <bl3ssing> ecobuntu, check this ...http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[09:41] <MagicFa1> ecobuntu: you'll have to read about LVM, can't explain it all here
[09:41] <MagicFa1> bl3ssing: tks.
[09:41] <ecobuntu> ok
[09:41] <bl3ssing> np MagicFa1 ...
[09:41] <bl3ssing> anytime.
[09:41] <FJ_Sanchez> In this computer I'm a user
[09:41] <bl3ssing> ;)
[09:41] <MagicFa1> ecobuntu: don't forget backups
[09:41] <NoUse> FJ_Sanchez google around for mv syntax or tips
[09:41] <bl3ssing> how can I make my mozilla being the default webbrowser? i don't need konquerror cause it is too much conquerring with me. LOL
[09:42] <ecobuntu> MagicFa1: i might just reinstall...i've got dapper on a partition anyways that i might to give to something else...this will free up that space
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> Ok
[09:42] <FJ_Sanchez> bye
[09:42] <callsign> hey does anyone need any ram?
[09:42] <sdakota> heyah... I'm doing this command:  "cat -r * | grep 192.168.1.10"... but how do I output the STDERR to /dev/null and display the filename of the file currently being shown?
[09:42] <MagicFa1> bl3ssing: in KDE Control Center, KDE COmponents
[09:43] <MagicFa1> bl3ssing: See http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/kcontrol-kde-components.html
[09:43] <Mabus06> callsign, free ram? :D
[09:43] <christos> i installed flex from synaptic and i can't flex anything. gcc of lex.yy.c prints out many many lines on examples of flex man. anyone had that problem?
[09:43] <sorush20> if I were to compile the kernel from source would synaptic be able to update it or not?
[09:43] <robbkidd> So, here's an oddity: totem-xine only displays a blue screen on the right monitor of my dual monitor setup.  If I drag the window to the left, the video will appear.  Back to the right, blue screen.
[09:44] <i3dmaster> what app can play asx media file?
[09:44] <NoUse> i3dmaster mplayer
[09:44] <i3dmaster> NoUse, tried, not plaging
[09:44] <Pegasos989> ...TOU! Just realized that I have dualboot with 2 versions of linux, neither of them have write support for ntfs, and 90% of my data is on ntfs drives! Massive data loss - here I come!
[09:44] <bl3ssing> what app can play wmv meida file?
[09:45] <sorush20> I ask this because my hotplug restart is taking a long time and it hangs in half way after stop and restart.. could it also be the fact that I have an ndiswrapper hotpluged wireless card?
[09:45] <nalioth> Pegasos989: that should be telling you something
[09:45] <NoUse> i3dmaster google around,it's possible
[09:45] <Pegasos989> nalioth, what? That I am stupid? :D
[09:45] <trappist> Pegasos989: linux doesn't have ntfs write support.  captive is the only free-as-in-beer solution I know of.
[09:45] <nalioth> Pegasos989: not at all.
[09:45] <i3dmaster> NoUse, ok thanks
[09:45] <robbkidd> i3dmaster: You need the w32codecs.
[09:46] <Pegasos989> :P
[09:46] <yi> linux _does_ have ntfs write support, it's just very simple.
[09:46] <trappist> by simple he means almost useless
[09:46] <christos> i installed flex from synaptic and i can't flex anything. gcc of lex.yy.c prints out many many lines on examples of flex man. anyone had that problem?
[09:46] <trappist> the file must remain the same size
[09:47] <trappist> if not, filesystem go poof.
[09:47] <Air2k> hi. i just upgraded to breezy. and my desktop context menu (right click on desktop) does not contain any quick starter anymore (e.g. gnome-terminal). how can i add them?
[09:48] <purplefeltangel> how do you edit your filters on Evolution?
[09:48] <nalioth> Air2k: install "nautilus-terminal-here" using synaptic
[09:49] <robbkidd> Anyone using totem-xine on a dual screen setup?
[09:49] <bl3ssing> what app can play wmv meida file?
[09:49] <i3dmaster> robbkidd, I've had that installed. Do you know which library is using to play the asx file? I can search the file and make sure it is thre.
[09:50] <robbkidd> bl3ssing: xine and mplayer
[09:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about multimedia
[09:50] <Pegasos989> How do I mount ntfs partitions for reading? Or even list them? In hoary hedgehog fdisk -l listed them but now it doens't :/
[09:50] <nalioth> bl3ssing: if you are using kubuntu, perhaps you should ask in #kubuntu
[09:50] <BoneE> tell bonee about multimedia
[09:50] <BoneE> ubotu tell bonee about multimedia
[09:51] <hypn0> ubotu, tell hypn0 about multimedia
[09:52] <Air2k> nalioth : thank you.
[09:52] <nalioth> Air2k: np
[09:52] <MagicFab> back - nick problems
[09:54] <Stormx2> hey
[09:54] <Stormx2> i have such a bad cold, can't see anything...
[09:54] <Stormx2> two boxes of tissues in 1 and a half hours... >.>
[09:54] <MagicFab> nalioth: is there a macro or something to get search results from the wiki here ?
[09:55] <Stormx2> !+wiki RootSudo
[09:55] <ubotu> RootSudo: Ubuntu uses sudo command to allow a normal user administrative privileges. Thus the traditional UNIX root account is disabled (i.e. it is not possible to log in as root). All the graphical configuration utilities use sudo by default. Thus when Synaptic or something similar asks you for a password, it is asking for your user password, not the root password. The first user created is part of the admin group, which can use sudo. Any users created 
[09:55] <ubotu> is recommended that all users of Ubuntu use sudo, as it provides clear benefits to security. Notes The password is stored by default for 15 minutes. After that time, you will need to enter your password again. To run the graphical configuration utilities with sudo, simply launch the ap... See the whole entry at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:55] <nalioth> MagicFab: unfortunately not, i keep the wiki index page open for quick reference
[09:55] <Stormx2> Like that ;-)
[09:55] <nalioth> Stormx2: please dont do that again.
[09:55] <Stormx2> nalioth: do what?
[09:55] <trappist> that's a pretty dangerous bot feature imho
[09:55] <MagicFab> Stormx2: yeah, but just the first link - otherwise it's too much
[09:56] <Stormx2> MagicFab: Yeah maybe they shoult intergrate that
[09:56] <Stormx2> yeah someone could make a page saying "/quit"
[09:56] <MagicFab> nalioth: me too, but it's too long and I'm guessing we're taking up resources by doing that
[09:56] <Stormx2> nalioth: ok sowi :(
[09:57] <Stormx2> Out of interest, what is +q?
[09:57] <nalioth> MagicFab: /msg ubotu msg the bot
[09:58] <NoUse> screen -r
[09:58] <MagicFab> nalioth: I know how to get entries from ubotu - was wishing for a "return 1st result from wiki" thingy
[09:58] <NoUse> sorry guys, wrong window
[09:59] <nalioth> Stormx2: +q is 'quiet' as in 'can't send to channel'
[10:01] <jcole> i want to change one simple parameter in a kernel .config asnd recompile... can i just "apt-src build linux-source-2.6.12" with a parameter to a config file??
[10:02] <d03boy> i cant seem to find the livecds on ubuntu's site... am I missing something?
[10:02] <d03boy> oh im silly
[10:03] <varsendagger> i just reinstalled my system and i have my home anyway sound isn't working for my old user --- the one that i have the home directory fordirectory on a seperate partition
[10:03] <Mabus06> blootbots can be configured to take info from a wiki?
[10:04] <d03boy> hm.. isnt there a small livecd so I can just install grub? I dont need the whole thing :\
[10:04] <nalioth> ubotu: tell d03boy about recover
[10:04] <d03boy> I dont have any CDs at all...
[10:04] <varsendagger> i've added the "old" user to most of th groups including audio
[10:04] <Amaranth> jcole: get the source package for the kernel and build the package
[10:04] <d03boy> My school installed using a Ghost image of some sort
[10:04] <PokerFacePenguin> speaking of scripts....say i want to pipe output to the pastebin script from inside an irc channel, is there a way to do that or do i have to write my own script with more ARGV
[10:05] <jcole> Amaranth: i want to autmoate it
[10:05] <PokerFacePenguin> for instance, call a command and pass a parameter to it and pipe to pastebin script
[10:05] <d03boy> downloading 600mb to install grub seems kind of ... well... reallllly stupid to me
[10:06] <mmina> Hello, I am wondering if someone can help me with installing a novell linux client to UBUNTU version 5.10?
[10:06] <mmina> client was written for OPEN SUSE linux.
[10:06] <mmina> and in RPM format.
[10:07] <NoUse> mmina this program isn't available publicly?
[10:07] <MagicFab> d03boy: check debian.org 's ISOs, there are a lot of variants
[10:08] <d03boy> I can just use a debian cd? ok, already got one
[10:08] <MagicFab> d03boy: some of them very small, some floppy/usb based to install
[10:08] <mostrodibiscotti> I have Ubuntu 5.10, and I have a printer on my network tat has a built in print server with a static IP.  From a windows xp machine, I connect to it either by the share name on a server, or I can just create an LPR port to the printer's ip address.  In ubuntu can I do that?  Can I just conecct through an LPR or TCP port so as to avoid SAMBA?
[10:08] <MagicFab> d03boy: remember U is Debian-based
[10:08] <purplefeltangel> how do you edit your filters on Evolution?
[10:08] <jcole> Amaranth: just did a man on make-kpkg... that's perfect
[10:09] <MagicFab> mostrodibiscotti: sure, port 9100
[10:09] <d03boy> well, assumptions lead to mistakes
[10:09] <MagicFab> mostrodibiscotti: if it's through an Apple Airport, try port 9101
[10:09] <nalioth> d03boy: just dont use any debian programs from the cd
[10:09] <MagicFab> mostrodibiscotti: if using the Printer setup admin tool in Ubuntu, specify it's a "JetDirect" printer
[10:10] <d03boy> should all these deb CDs allow me to reinstall grub?
[10:10] <d03boy> if they will, i'd just like teh smallest one
[10:10] <PokerFacePenguin> if you already have a knoppix cd, wont that take care of it?
[10:10] <MagicFab> d03boy: carefully check Debian.org' docs about this if using their CDs
[10:11] <d03boy> what am I checking for?
[10:11] <mostrodibiscotti> ok
[10:11] <mostrodibiscotti> Magicfab: thank you
[10:11] <MagicFab> d03boy: I may have missed your original question - wanted to reinstall grub after installing WinXP and losing it ?
[10:11] <d03boy> yep
[10:12] <MagicFab> AFAIK, *any * live CD based on Debian should do it - you did check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows , eh ?
[10:12] <MagicFab> PokerFacePenguin: according to the wiki, yes
[10:13] <d03boy> well I've read the first few lines so far... i'll read more
[10:13] <Red-Sox_homework> how do you change the clock from 24 hr to 12 hr in kde
[10:13] <bonee> what was that program again
[10:13] <PokerFacePenguin> MagicFab: I thought so...most of us probably have a knoppix cd lying around :)
[10:13] <varsendagger> Red-Sox_homework, were we talking on satuday?
[10:15] <MagicFab> Red-Sox_homework:  KDE Control Center >  System Administration >  Date & Time ?
[10:15] <Stormx2> eek
[10:15] <Stormx2> how do I set my default browser to be nautilus?
[10:15] <Stormx2> :-\ I mucked up
[10:15] <purplefeltangel> how do you edit your filters on Evolution?
[10:16] <La_PaRCa> hey kids
[10:16] <Stormx2> pleeease?
[10:16] <d03boy> so what is this wiki's definition of a LiveCD anyhow? Does a debian minimal CD count? this is where I get confused..
[10:16] <Stormx2> ^.^
[10:16] <MagicFab> Stormx2: Somewhere in the admin menu, you should have a "Default Apps" item
[10:16] <Stormx2> OK Cheers
[10:17] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, yes, yes
[10:17] <nalioth> Stormx2: system > preferences > prefferrd apps
[10:17] <Stormx2> Just saw :)
[10:17] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, can you continue helping?
[10:17] <Stormx2> What do you have set in there?
[10:17] <Stormx2> Mounted FTP folders keep opening in FF, its no good.
[10:17] <cprov> heya, does anyone knows why the iptable's ROUTE extension is gone in breezy ?
[10:18] <Stormx2> Come someone check, pretty please?
[10:20] <varsendagger> yeah
[10:21] <purplefeltangel> can someone please tell me how to edit filters in evolution?
[10:22] <Urthy> purplefeltangel: it's not in evolution > message > Create Rule  ?
[10:22] <Urthy> ?
[10:22] <shomi> hello
[10:22] <purplefeltangel> urthy, that creates new ones, not edits old ones...
[10:22] <shomi> my apt-get is fucked up
[10:22] <MagicFab> shomi: how so ?
[10:23] <Urthy> I just figured you can edit the ones you've created
[10:23] <Urthy> lemme try
[10:23] <shomi> can someone send me their respo(something) file
[10:23] <shomi> do u wanna c my error ?
[10:23] <funkyHat> anyone got the last.fm player to work properly with firefox?
[10:23] <philosophia> hi
[10:24] <mbs> what is the difference between ; and && when executing a string of commands?
[10:24] <crimsun> && requires an exit status of 0 (successfully)
[10:24] <MagicFab> philosophia: hey - ask away
[10:24] <crimsun> anything other than success terminates it
[10:24] <mbs> crimsun, ah, that's what i guessed :) thanks
[10:25] <philosophia> i accidentally deleted /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/
[10:25] <philosophia> is there any way to get this dir back w/o doing a reinstall?
[10:25] <ke> Whoops
[10:25] <philosophia> yeah
[10:25] <varsendagger> Red-Sox_homework, are you still here
[10:25] <shomi> plz send me ur /etc/apt/sources.list file
[10:26] <shomi> plz
[10:26] <philosophia> me shomi or someone else
[10:26] <shomi> u
[10:26] <shomi> philisophia
[10:26] <shomi> thanks
[10:27] <Flying-Penguin>  is there a diffrent Grafical ftp client (besides gftp that is)???
[10:28] <nico8481> hi
[10:28] <shomi> hey
[10:28] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, places -> connect to server
[10:28] <Seveas> (aka: nautilus)
[10:28] <nico8481> i can't get gstreamer0.8-lame to install (keeps complaining about libc6 version)... any idea?
[10:29] <Stormx2> Flying-Penguin: Mount it
[10:29] <Seveas> nico8481, don't mix ubuntu and debian
[10:30] <Seveas> or hoary and breezy
[10:30] <Seveas> or whatever crap you pulled off to get libc6 complaints :)
[10:30] <maatttt> can anyone tell me what version of rrdtool is available for Breezy Server ?
[10:30] <nico8481> Seveas, i don't think i'm doing that :)
[10:30] <Seveas> nico8481, you did something crazy
[10:31] <Seveas> put your sources.list on the pastebin so we can have a look
[10:31] <nico8481> ok
[10:31] <nico8481> pastebin.org?
[10:31] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:32] <varsendagger> hgey i have two users one can play sound and the other cannot, how do i make the one who cannot play sound play sound?
[10:32] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, yes, as you can see I am doing homework as well, so I cant give 100% attention to my monitor, but yes, i am still here
[10:32] <philosophia> if anyone can take a look at this problem i'm having w java install http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=93258
[10:32] <Disablez> Er... anyone got to run ATI fglrx drivers on 5.10 64bit ?
[10:33] <Seveas> varsendagger, sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:33] <Seveas> varsendagger, sudo update-alternatives --config jac
[10:33] <Seveas> varsendagger, sudo update-alternatives --config javac
[10:33] <Seveas> varsendagger, sudo update-alternatives --config jar
[10:33] <Seveas> ah narf
[10:33] <Seveas> that was for philosophia
[10:33] <nico8481> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4839
[10:33] <Seveas> varsendagger, google ubuntu+esd+unix
[10:33] <Seveas> or ubuntu+esd+unix+promiscuous
[10:33] <varsendagger> ok
[10:34] <Seveas> there is some alteration to the esd config you have to do
[10:34] <nico8481> (added backport because they told to do so in the doc (from wiki-something.ubuntu.something :p)
[10:34] <Seveas> can't remember it exactly but it's something with unix sockets and promiscuous :)
[10:34] <Seveas> nico8481, you did one of the most stupid things possible
[10:35] <Seveas> marilalt
[10:35] <Mabus06> jeez.... wine takes forever to download
[10:35] <Disablez> I still have an annoying error about not finding libGL.so.1 :'(
[10:35] <Seveas> marillat is *DEBIAN* and not *UBUNTU*
[10:35] <nico8481> Seveas, ah :p
[10:35] <Seveas> !find libGL.so.1
[10:35] <nico8481> how could i know? :p
[10:35] <nico8481> Seveas, can it be fixed to a clean situation? :)
[10:35] <bonee> where is the codecs to play dvd
[10:35] <bonee> mine is not working
[10:35] <bonee> and it runs slow
[10:35] <Seveas> why do you add sources of which you don't know for which distro they are for?
[10:35] <Mabus06> lol, one of the most stupid things possible? I think that's challengable...
[10:36] <Seveas> bonee, slowness: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[10:36] <philosophia> Seveas - is there a way to get the original dir back?
[10:36] <varsendagger> Seveas, i am going to look up that stuff, but the user that isn't able to play sound is the *original user  i reloaded the system and then added my old user
[10:36] <Seveas> codecs: libdvdcss @ seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:36] <nico8481> Seveas, i guess i read in a doc i had to add it to be able to install something i needed... :-/
[10:36] <Seveas> varsendagger, ah you don't mean simaltaneous logins?
[10:36] <Seveas> nickrud, stupid doc
[10:36] <Seveas> which one was it?
[10:37] <Seveas> nico8481*
[10:37] <MagicFab> !DMA
[10:37] <cyphase> does anyone know why my Netgear 311v2 PCI wireless card wouldn't be working?
[10:37] <nico8481> Seveas, no way i could remember :p i guess i was when i was trying to install some multimedia stuff at the very beginning
[10:37] <cyphase> it's listed in the wiki as working out of the box with breezy
[10:37] <Seveas> nico8481, the *only* good docs are help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:38] <nico8481> Seveas, but i never had any trouble since; except now that i try to install that thing
[10:38] <varsendagger> no not simual
[10:38] <nico8481> k
[10:38] <SbCl3> does anyone here know how to get k3b to allow a normal user to burn CDs?
[10:38] <varsendagger> Seveas,
[10:38] <nico8481> Seveas, so to be practical, can it be fixed? :)
[10:38] <cyphase> WG11v2*
[10:38] <cyphase> argh
[10:38] <cyphase> WG311v2*
[10:38] <Seveas> nico8481, yeah, use cipherfunl
[10:38] <Seveas> !tell nico about easysource
[10:39] <Seveas> varsendagger, then it's probably just a group thing
[10:39] <Seveas> are both users in the audio group?
[10:39] <epl> SbCl3: Make the user a member of the cdrom group?
[10:40] <nico8481> Seveas, !tell didn't seem to work... :p
[10:40] <SbCl3> epl: i already had it there
[10:40] <Seveas> !tell nico8481  about easysource
[10:40] <varsendagger> yes, i'v added the second user to everythign the working user has
[10:40] <varsendagger> or rather is a member of
[10:41] <SbCl3> should i add myself to the hal group too?
[10:41] <epl> SbCl3: ok, then it "should" work. Check the permissions of /usr/bin/cdrecord and your cdrw/dvd-burner device
[10:41] <SbCl3> what should the permissions of cdrecord be?
[10:41] <Disablez> er... I know where i have it, /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ... just programs dont want to, and i tried making ln -s to /lib /usr/lib /lib32 /usr/lib32 ... with both names, libGL.so and libGL.so.1, still the same.
[10:41] <Seveas> no
[10:42] <ogami1972> hi all! I am looking for a how-to for installing a new soundcard
[10:42] <ogami1972> any ideas?
[10:42] <MFen> anyone know how to make clients downloading via approx or apt-proxy validate gpg sigs?
[10:42] <Seveas> ogami1972, 1) open case 2) remove old card 3) insert new card 4) close case
[10:42] <kemik> google? ;)
[10:42] <MFen> i get BADSIG blahblahkey on apt-get update through the proxy now
[10:42] <MFen> this is very recent, a few weeks old at most
[10:43] <ogami1972> that easy?- I'm switching from an Audigy to a Delta44...
[10:43] <nico8481> Seveas, thx
[10:43] <Seveas> if there are delta44 drivers for linux: yes
[10:43] <epl> SbCl3: mine is owned by group cdrom, user root. and with permissions 4754
[10:43] <ogami1972> thx seveas
[10:43] <MFen> failing that, does anyone know how to disable the gpg checking?
[10:44] <MFen> security is great and all, but my sh** needs to work :P
[10:46] <nico8481> Seveas, uh now i get BADSIG and NO_PUBKEY errors from GPG when doing an apt-get update :(
[10:47] <Seveas> nico8481, then add the pubkey...
[10:47] <Seveas> the error mentions a keyid
[10:47] <Seveas> gpg --recv-keys that_keyid
[10:47] <Seveas> gpg --export --armor that_keyid | sudo apt-key add -
[10:48] <nico8481> oh no need to know where to fetch it... cool
[10:48] <nico8481> where to fetch it from
[10:49] <Seveas> gpg will fetch it
[10:49] <Seveas> if not:
[10:49] <nico8481> ok done
[10:49] <slew> anyone here installed kde on ubuntu?
[10:49] <Seveas> ah nice, then apt-get update :)
[10:49] <Seveas> slew, tons of people...
[10:49] <nico8481> on my way :)
[10:49] <Seveas> slew, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:49] <nico8481> ah, still complains about keys :(
[10:50] <slew> Seveas, im looking for the 'look n feel' part of kde, i cant find it
[10:50] <slew> Seveas, i did apt-get install kde
[10:50] <trappist> !tell nico8481 about gpgerr
[10:50] <nico8481> cipherphunk and hoary-updates
[10:50] <Seveas> superkaramba?
[10:50] <Seveas> slew, grab the kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <kemik> Seveas: happen to have some good info on laptops that work well with Ubuntu ? and also dual-displays or even 3, is that even possible? (2 monitors and tv-out, do ati/nvidia support it?)
[10:50] <Seveas> nico8481, errors -> pastebin
[10:51] <slew> Seveas, i figured just the kde would be good enough, wanted to see if it would do the transparent windows.
[10:51] <Seveas> kemik, HP
[10:51] <Seveas> If in doubt, buy an HP laptop
[10:51] <nico8481> thx trappist
[10:51] <trappist> kemik: my inspiron 600m works beautifully.  with dual monitors.
[10:51] <Seveas> IBMs work good too
[10:51] <Seveas> but HPs are nicer
[10:51] <slew> is there a setup program for kde?
[10:51] <kemik> trappist: cool, was looking at a dell today actually
[10:51] <nico8481> Seveas, only 1 error left: ftp://cipherfunk.org hoary Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available
[10:51] <Seveas> dell is crap :)
[10:51] <kemik> but i'm thinking Acer is the cheapest (most inline with my budget)
[10:51] <trappist> kemik: everything but sensors worked out of the box.  wifi and everything.
[10:52] <kemik> Seveas; mmh, i'd like one of those slick Sony Vaio's ....
[10:52] <Seveas> sony vaio isn't bad
[10:52] <kemik> trappist: sensors? you mean temp-sensors on mobo etc?
[10:52] <trappist> kemik: I had a sony vaio.  took it back to the store.
[10:52] <trappist> kemik: yes
[10:52] <kemik> Seveas: but they aint chep, the 11" small sleek sexy 1.25kg stuff ...
[10:53] <kemik> im thinking i'll go with the dell inspiron (even tho i hate it that they ship with MS... )
[10:53] <Seveas> kemik, :)
[10:54] <kemik> trappist: got teh intel gfx or ATI radeon ?
[10:54] <trappist> kemik: radeon
[10:54] <kemik> and also, do the TV-out work at the same time as you dual-out ?
[10:54] <kemik> i mean 3 displays, can ubuntu handle it ?
[10:54] <nico8481> any idea?
[10:54] <trappist> never touched tv-out
[10:54] <pinkisntwell> anyone here has any experience with adsl router speedtouch 530 on ubuntu?
[10:54] <kemik> awh
[10:57] <Stormx2> eek, where is my sources.list again?
[10:57] <trappist> /etc/apt
[10:57] <kemik> ./etc/apt/sourcest.list
[10:57] <kemik> -t
[10:57] <Stormx2> ok
[10:57] <Stormx2> cheers
[10:58] <kemik> locate sources.list
[10:58] <kemik> and updatedb
[10:58] <kemik> great shit
[10:58] <slew> so, how would i uninstall kde and all the stuff it installed thru apt-get?
[10:58] <nico8481> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4840
[11:00] <trappist> nico8481: you'd have to uninstall all of kubuntu-desktop's dependencies, which you probably don't want to do
[11:00] <trappist> or uninstall packages one at a time
[11:00] <Stormx2> slew: yeah thats really tricky
[11:01] <trappist> ack.  that was for slew.
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> hello all!
[11:01] <slew> well i didnt install kubuntu desktop, just kde
[11:01] <lemonsforbreakfa> I have tried to install mp3 support as detailed in RestrictedFormats, but the repository URLs are bad
[11:01] <lemonsforbreakfa> where do I get mp3 support?
[11:01] <nico8481> trappist, hu?! what does it have to do with kunbuntu ? :-/
[11:01] <Stormx2> !easysource
[11:01] <ubotu> it has been said that easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> to fix my prevbious problems i did a complete reinstall of ubuntu..  now i need a decent sources.list file again
[11:01] <nico8481> ah :)
[11:01] <Stormx2> ^^ Use that
[11:01] <trappist> nico8481: it doesn't.  I meant to say that to slew.
[11:01] <nico8481> trappist, ok just got it :p
[11:01] <Seveas> slew, debfoster is your friend
[11:01] <shadeofgrey> specxifically i need mplayer, w32codecs, and libdvdcss
[11:01] <slew> =]  sorry
[11:02] <slew> debfoster? i think i used to date her..
[11:02] <Stormx2> shadeofgrey: Yep, go up there, and make sure you add seveas's repo
[11:02] <Stormx2> slew: roffle
[11:02] <Seveas> nico8481, gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv 33BAC1B3
[11:02] <shadeofgrey> doesnt Seveas have to invite me first?
[11:02] <Seveas> gpg --export --armor 33BAC1B3 | sudo apt-key add -
[11:03] <Seveas> shadeofgrey, only for the w32
[11:03] <slew> Stormx2, so just debfoster kde?
[11:03] <shadeofgrey> Sev:  would you.. please be so kind?
[11:03] <Seveas> on my way already ;)
[11:03] <kemik> it's a bit sad that the dells dont have DVI-output
[11:04] <kemik> old crap analog
[11:04] <Stormx2> aaaaccck! fluu!
[11:04] <nico8481> Seveas, what does --export do?
[11:05] <Seveas> nico8481, gpg puts the key in stdout where apt-key add picks it up
[11:05] <Stormx2> eeeek
[11:05] <bimberi> slew: uninstalling libqt3-mt will remove most of what installs with kde
[11:05] <Stormx2> I mounted a fat32 drive (using command-line "mount") and i have no write support?
[11:05] <headsroll> can somone help me with networking
[11:06] <trappist> Stormx2: mount with uid=1000 (assuming your are uid 1000)
[11:06] <Stormx2> trappist: k
[11:06] <Seveas> Stormx2, -o umask=0000
[11:06] <Seveas> that works too :)
[11:06] <nico8481> Seveas, so what's the difference between "gpg --recv", "gpg --recv-keys", and "apt-key add"?
[11:06] <headsroll> where are the network settings configured
[11:06] <Seveas> --recv and --recv-keys are the same
[11:06] <nico8481> Seveas, if i got it right they all do the same (?)
[11:07] <Seveas> apt-key manages the apt keyring, gpg your personal
[11:07] <goetz-b> hi all - i'm trying to use wpasupplicant on ubuntu 5.10 (as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WPAHowto), however i'm getting "ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA] : Operation not supported", is this the right place to get some hints or can you point me somewhere else?
[11:07] <slew> bimberi, also remove libqt3-mt dev?
[11:07] <nico8481> Seveas, and i guess the key has to be in both?
[11:07] <headsroll> i mean when i change network settings, what config file is effected?
[11:07] <Seveas> nico8481, no only in the latter, but that one can't download directly
[11:07] <lemonsforbreakfa> when I try to do sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[11:08] <Stormx2> oh boobies
[11:08] <lemonsforbreakfa> I get way too many entries that look like W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:08] <Stormx2> I just realised why my script keeps failing >.>
[11:08] <slew> Stormx2, niiice
[11:08] <headsroll> im looking at /etc/network/interfaces but dont see much other than lo
[11:08] <Seveas> lemonsforbreakfa, sudo apt-get update
[11:08] <bimberi> slew: i don't see that package
[11:08] <pinkisntwell> anyone here has any experience with adsl router speedtouch 530 on ubuntu?
[11:09] <lemonsforbreakfa> ty
[11:09] <bimberi> slew: oh, hang on, my repos are a bit fubar atm :/
[11:09] <slew> bimberi, i did a search for libqt3-mt in synaptic and the dev gets automatically removed if you remove just the -mt
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> damnit i need a good sources.list file
[11:09] <Absenth> what's the command to ask the bot a question?
[11:09] <shadeofgrey> iwish they werent so hard to find
[11:09] <nico8481> Seveas, ok i think i got it.. thx
[11:09] <slew> bimberi, its cool, thanks for your help =]  =] 
[11:09] <Stormx2> this is not good >.>
[11:09] <Seveas> ubotu, tell Absenth about yourself
[11:09] <fevoldj2> Is there an AMD64 version of w32 codecs?
[11:10] <trappist> fevoldj2: no
[11:10] <Seveas> W***32***codecs...
[11:10] <headsroll> hello? is this thing on?
[11:10] <Seveas> headsroll, no
[11:10] <slew> headsroll, what thing?
[11:10] <Stormx2> headsroll: no
[11:10] <headsroll> he
[11:10] <fevoldj2> Is there an alternative?
[11:10] <Seveas> no
[11:10] <headsroll> i have a simple question
[11:10] <bimberi> slew: i can't see you needing libqt3-mt-dev anyway
[11:10] <shadeofgrey> Seveas:  id happily bribe you for a good sources.list file
[11:10] <Stormx2> headsroll: which requires a simple answer?
[11:11] <slew> bimberi, neither can i, would have taken it out regardless.
[11:11] <headsroll> what networking config files are effected when i change network settings
[11:11] <shadeofgrey> i have deep pockets and im desperate
[11:11] <bimberi> slew: :)
[11:11] <slew> thanks again
[11:11] <bimberi> slew: np :)
[11:11] <headsroll> im looking at interfaces, but dont see much than lo
[11:12] <Comrade_Vladimir> wowo so not worth the effort
[11:12] <headsroll> network settings says ra0 wireless is active
[11:13] <headsroll> to what file is that being written?
[11:13] <Comrade_Vladimir> ok so does ubuntu automatically recognize usb flash drives?
[11:13] <shadeofgrey> loo sdomebody help me find a good sources.list file and ill NEVER ask again.
[11:13] <shadeofgrey> ...till dapper comes out
[11:13] <Comrade_Vladimir> cant wait
[11:13] <Stormx2> !tell shadeofgrey about easysource
[11:13] <shadeofgrey> C'MON, guys, have some sympathy
[11:14] <bimberi> !sources
[11:14] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:14] <Stormx2> shadeofgrey: Check your messages from ubotu
[11:14] <bimberi> shadeofgrey: ^^^^
[11:14] <Comrade_Vladimir> why wont linux recognize my flash
[11:14] <Stormx2> http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic <-- That is what you need
[11:14] <Stormx2> Comrade_Vladimir: Macromedia flash?
[11:14] <bimberi> Comrade_Vladimir: yes, when i plug mine a nautilus window pops up
[11:14] <headsroll> !networking
[11:14] <ubotu> headsroll: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:14] <Comrade_Vladimir> stormx2 no flash drive
[11:15] <skapple> can someone tell me how to properly enter the refresh rates for a flatscreen monitor into my xorg.conf file?
[11:15] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberi mine doesnt
[11:15] <bimberi> Comrade_Vladimir: i just knew you were going to say that :/
[11:15] <Comrade_Vladimir> hehe
[11:15] <LjL> skapple: try "man gtf"
[11:15] <Stormx2> !xorg
[11:15] <ubotu> from memory, xorg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:15] <Stormx2> ^^^ skapple#
[11:15] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberi it did like a week ago
[11:16] <Absenth> ok, if I wanted to ask ubotu how to add support for mp3 I would ask it ?
[11:16] <trappist> Absenth: /msg ubotu mp3
[11:16] <xxvii> anyone know a good and reliable media player for listenting to internet radio?
[11:16] <trappist> xxvii: xmms
[11:17] <xxvii> trappist, thanks, i'll try it
[11:17] <Absenth> danke.
[11:17] <bimberi> Comrade_Vladimir: try "tail -f /var/log/messages" in a terminal and see if anything is output when you plug it in
[11:18] <shadeofgrey> okay now all i need is w32codecs
[11:18] <Toran> what is the name of the xorg driver supplied by the "nvidia-glx" package?
[11:18] <bimberi> shadeofgrey: http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:18] <trappist> Toran: nvidia
[11:18] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberi no nothin it worked on windows this morning
[11:18] <lemonsforbreakfa> does anyone know about making sound work in VLC?
[11:18] <Toran> trappist: thanks
[11:19] <LjL> how can i (automatically) count how many files are in a directory?
[11:20] <trappist> LjL: find dirname/ -type f | wc -l
[11:20] <LjL> trappist: no, sorry, i didn't specify it but i meant only in that directory, not counting subdirectories
[11:20] <goetz-b> should WPA work out of the box with the current ubuntu release?
[11:20] <trappist> LjL: ls | wc -l
[11:21] <bimberi> LjL: ls -1 | grep wc
[11:21] <trappist> bimberi: grep?
[11:21] <bimberi> LjL: (won't count hidden files)
[11:21] <bimberi> trappist: hehe, oops
[11:21] <bimberi> LjL: ls -1 | wc -l
[11:21] <bimberi> :)
[11:21] <LjL> bimberi: hmm it appears that a file actually *can* have a newline in its name... but... besides that, it should work ;)
[11:21] <trappist> bimberi: ls automatically does -1 when you pipe it
[11:21] <bimberi> trappist: aha, good to know, thanks
[11:22] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberi is it my flash
[11:22] <Toran> ok guys, I have a quick question. When I move windows around (I'm in fluxbox) it takes a LOT of CPU to move it around. Of course, I have show window contents while moving enabled, but I can't understand why it maxes my CPU to move it. I have an AMD 64 3400+, 2gigs of memory, and a GeForce MX 440.
[11:22] <dooglus> I just tried resizing the NTFS partition on this PC using the breezy install disk.  It told me "The resize operation did not create enough free space for the installation.  Resizing may have failed. You will have to set up partitions manually."  Any suggestions?
[11:22] <shadeofgrey> toran:  its windows bro...  its ALWAYS slow
[11:23] <trappist> dooglus: boot to windows and defrag first
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> toran:  im CRIPPLED and i move faster thgan windows
[11:23] <bimberi> Comrade_Vladimir: i doubt it - it it's working in windows.  Possibly hotplug, but i don't really know sorry
[11:23] <Toran> shadeofgrey: err... I'm not talking about windows the OS
[11:23] <Toran> shadeofgrey: when I move a WINDOW around
[11:23] <skapple> can someone tell me why i am unable to change my screen resolution in ubuntu?
[11:23] <Toran> as in, a terminal
[11:23] <Toran> or something
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> oh
[11:23] <trappist> Toran: do you have the composite extension enabled?
[11:23] <Toran> it doesn't matter
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> you mean in ubuntu?
[11:23] <LjL> how's it that "file" knows about .bzip2 archives but not about .gz archives?! it's weird
[11:23] <Toran> trappist: err, prolly not. How do I do that?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> what the hell is he asking me?
[11:23] <shadeofgrey> im -so- condfused
[11:23] <dooglus> trappist: will that help?  nalioth told me defragging from Windows wasn't necessary.
[11:23] <Toran> shadeofgrey: don't worry about it
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> oh...  i took purgocet
[11:24] <shadeofgrey> my bad
[11:24] <trappist> LjL: file knows about gz
[11:24] <Toran> shadeofgrey: if you don't understand the question, you prolly won't know the answer ;-)
[11:24] <nalioth> dooglus: you can visit the page of ntfsprogs and read for yourself
[11:24] <trappist> dooglus: files will be spread out across the filesystem if it's fragmented, and ntfsresize won'd defrag for you
[11:24] <dooglus> !ntfsprog
[11:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, dooglus
[11:24] <dooglus> !ntfsprogs
[11:24] <ubotu> dooglus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:24] <Toran> so. . . how do I enable composite?
[11:24] <LjL> trappist: right, it does - i had only tried it with the "--mime" option, which gives application/octet-stream
[11:25] <trappist> Toran: you don't want to do that.  I was thinking having it enabled could cause your problem.
[11:25] <bimberi> skapple: have you been here? - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:25] <LjL> trappist: so there's no gzip mime type?
[11:25] <dooglus> nalioth: which page do you mean?  http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ ?
[11:25] <Toran> trappist: I'll check the file and make sure it isn't enabled
[11:25] <Jestre> Can this Rhythmbox play OGG streams?
[11:25] <trappist> LjL: you can make any mime type you want
[11:25] <LjL> trappist: well but they are standardized i assume?
[11:26] <Comrade_Vladimir> any thing i can do about a dysfunctional flash drive it doesnt recognize it?
[11:26] <trappist> LjL: but, don't do it.  instead read the comments at the top of /etc/mime.types
[11:26] <Juhaz> LjL, application/x-gzip. and file should know it just fine
[11:26] <varsendagger> hey yeah
[11:27] <lemonsforbreakfa> how to make Totem work with ogm files?
[11:27] <Toran> lemonsforbreakfa: apt-get install win32codecs
[11:27] <LjL> Juhaz: yet it doesn't, here. and neither gzip or bzip2 are in /etc/mime.types, but yet bzip2 works with file, while gzip doesn't
[11:28] <Toran> make sure you have multiverse and universe repositories enabled
[11:28] <LjL> trappist: right. then the question becomes the opposite: why is bzip2 recognized? =)
[11:28] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberi
[11:28] <Comrade_Vladimir> ?
[11:28] <Anon|Away> Is there a WMA plugin for totem?
[11:28] <lemonsforbreakfa> I have w32codecs, it works with my AVI files
[11:29] <Seveas> Anon|Away, totem-gstreamer: gstreamer0.8-pitfdll + w32codecs
[11:29] <Anon|Away> Lemons: Can I apt-get it?
[11:30] <Seveas> totem-xone: w32codecs
[11:30] <bimberi> Comrade_Vladimir: sorry dude, i don't know
[11:30] <Comrade_Vladimir> iw worked yesterday
[11:30] <Comrade_Vladimir> is there a driver or something
[11:31] <LjL> Juhaz, trappist: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4841
[11:32] <Anon|Away> Seveas: Can I get the w32codecs by apt? No responses in that area from apt-cache search
[11:32] <Juhaz> LjL, file doesn't use /etc/mime.types
[11:32] <nalioth> dooglus: i'm not sure the URL of the ntfsprogs program developers
[11:32] <LjL> Juhaz: oh
[11:33] <Juhaz> LjL, take a look at files in /usr/share/misc/file
[11:33] <_jason> ubotu, tell Anon|Away about w32codecs
[11:33] <Seveas> Anon|Away, grab a sources.list line for cipherfunk from www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:33] <LjL> Juhaz: ok. well, it appears that gzip is commented out there, for some reason
[11:35] <Pugh> having trouble with mplayer crashes on every other file I try and play,mozilla plugin works only have the time and vlc only plays back audio on 90% of the files I try and watch, more importantly I'd like to have mplayer working
[11:35] <Comrade_Vladimir> bimberiso its not my computer cause my usb primnter works
[11:35] <LjL> Juhaz: might have to do with some kind of conflict with other filetypes, as there are other (commented out) entries referencing "gzip", specifically entries about "Freeze"
[11:35] <Pugh> *have=half
[11:35] <amonroy> what is the equivalent of /etc/redhat-release in ubuntu?
[11:36] <NoUse> amonroy lsb_release -a
[11:36] <Pugh> is the mplayer package for ubuntu just screwed up
[11:36] <amonroy> thanks NoUse
[11:36] <Pugh> most of the files I have trouble with are streaming wmv's
[11:37] <dooglus> nalioth: I found a link to the "ntfs resize faq", but the link doesn't work.  I guess I'll just try using the Windows defrag and see if that helps...
[11:37] <NoUse> Pugh have you installed w32codecs?
[11:37] <Pugh> think so
[11:37] <Anon|Away> What's the directory of sources.list again?
[11:37] <Pugh> let me check
[11:37] <dooglus> is that best done from safe mode?
[11:37] <tritium> AnonymousHive: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:37] <nalioth> dooglus: what problem are you having?
[11:37] <dooglus> I just tried resizing the NTFS partition on this PC using the breezy install disk.  It told me "The resize operation did not create enough free space for the installation.  Resizing may have failed. You will have to set up partitions manually."  Any suggestions?
[11:38] <AnonymousHive> Thanks
[11:38] <`saiko> hi all
[11:38] <Pugh> NoUse what package is it in?
[11:38] <Iconsumed> is there any way to export the keymap dvorak(se) from debian to ubuntu?
[11:38] <nico8481> any idea what's the difference between "quality" and "preset" in the following:
[11:38] <nico8481> audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc quality=0 preset=1002
[11:38] <Juhaz> LjL, maybe
[11:38] <NoUse> Pugh w32codecs is the name of the package
[11:38] <nico8481> and why there's a need for both ?
[11:38] <Juhaz> LjL, although you'd think the same conflicts would prevent the string description as well...
[11:39] <Ubuntu-newbie> can anybody tell me how i can install my Mobile phone software???
[11:39] <dooglus> nalioth: that error message comes up about 5 seconds after the resize seems to start.  It's not long enough to have really had a go at resizing.  I was wondering if maybe the partition table is write-protected by the BIOS or something?
[11:39] <Comrade_Vladimir> aughh tritium u banned e
[11:39] <NoUse> Ubuntu-newbie is there a linux vesion of your phone software?
[11:39] <shadeofgrey> hey
[11:39] <Pugh> NoUse says  Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[11:39] <NoUse> !tell Pugh about w32codecs
[11:39] <Urthy> freeNX is crazy fast
[11:39] <LjL> Juhaz: yeah, though perhaps (just a guess) the string description is meant to be read by humans, while the mime description is assumed to be often read by a program, and you don't want to feed a program bad data
[11:39] <`saiko> i recently upgraded to breezy and have the following problem in screen session: "failed to write /ar/run/utemp: no such process"
[11:39] <shadeofgrey> whats i t mean when totem complains about not being able to read a Dvd's title info?
[11:39] <shadeofgrey> i swear that totem is definately a female
[11:40] <shadeofgrey> a female that needs medication and tampons
[11:40] <nalioth> dooglus: that is not possible, otw windows wouldn't have been able to go on
[11:40] <shadeofgrey> constantly
[11:40] <`saiko> lool
[11:40] <nalioth> dooglus: do you have a liveCD?
[11:40] <Urthy> but its sounds so close to scrot*m
[11:40] <dooglus> nalioth: I do.
[11:40] <NoUse> shadeofgrey and people wonder why women aren't into technology
[11:40] <amonroy> so where do I get the best list of repositories for breezy badger? The ones I found here http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories don't seem to respond :-(
[11:40] <Toran> those are for haory
[11:40] <Toran> *hoary
[11:40] <shadeofgrey> damnit all to hell all i wanna do is watch DVD's in peace
[11:40] <nalioth> dooglus: load the liveCD and install (using apt-get or synaptic) qtparted
[11:40] <Toran> does anyone know if that guide is ever going to get updated for 5.1
[11:40] <Toran> ?
[11:40] <Urthy> get a stand alone device mr garcia
[11:41] <nalioth> dooglus: then do your resizing and such
[11:41] <Urthy> lol
[11:41] <Comrade_Vladimir> oh crap how do i redo the w32codecs
[11:41] <dooglus> nalioth: Windows came pre-installed.  BIOS could have set set up to lock partition table after Windows was installed.
[11:41] <NoUse> !tell Toran about ubuntuguide
[11:41] <shadeofgrey> okay, granted, im cripple, and rode the short bus...  but still - gettying totem to play DVD's cant possibly be beyond my comprehension
[11:41] <rynofly> hello all
[11:41] <Ubuntu-newbie> NoUse, nop
[11:41] <Urthy> hi fly
[11:41] <Red-Sox_homework> how do you fix this... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4842 ?
[11:41] <Toran> NoUse: err... I'm in fluxbox, where do you get to that help thing?
[11:41] <Toran> like, is there a command line command to run?
[11:41] <NoUse> Ubuntu-newbie then you should google around for your phone and it's compatiblity for existing linux mobile phone software
[11:41] <Urthy> can I run fb on ubuntu?
[11:41] <Toran> fb?
[11:42] <Urthy> fluxbox
[11:42] <Ubuntu-newbie> NoUse, cant i use Wine?
[11:42] <Toran> heck yeah
[11:42] <NoUse> Toran http://help.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <Urthy> sure why not right?
[11:42] <dooglus> nalioth: qtparted uses ntfsprogs, same as the install cd does - is that right?
[11:42] <Urthy> okie dokey
[11:42] <NoUse> Ubuntu-newbie I doubt it would work but you can try
[11:42] <NoUse> Ubuntu-newbie apt-get install wine
[11:42] <nalioth> dooglus: correct
[11:42] <Urthy> 'apt-get install fluxbox?
[11:42] <Urthy> how do I list all the apt-gets?
[11:42] <dooglus> nalioth: would you expect qtparted to behave differently then?
[11:42] <Urthy> I didn't see it in the man page
[11:42] <Urthy> Toran....thoughts?
[11:43] <NoUse> Urthy you can search via 'apt-cache serach <keyword>'
[11:43] <rynofly> im having an issue with installing ubuntu, i just got my cd in the mail(yay) and i pop in my cd select my keyboard bla bla bla and i get an error about not being about to copy a file from cd
[11:43] <Comrade_Vladimir> how do i redo the w32 codecs if i accidentally removed them
[11:43] <Toran> Urthy: need universe and multiverse repos enabled
[11:43] <Urthy> ah cool NoUse
[11:43] <NoUse> rynofly is the CD scratched?
[11:43] <Toran> s/serach/search
[11:43] <rynofly> no
[11:43] <Urthy> which file do I edit to get that?
[11:43] <The_Vox> Urthy: stop suffering, do "sudo aptitude" and you can see the whole list there, install and uninstall from there and so on and so forth
[11:43] <Toran> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:43] <dooglus> rynofly: I had that.  I switched to a different CD and it worked.  (Luckily I ordered 5)
[11:43] <nalioth> dooglus: yes, because it's a whole different operating system (from a livecd point of view)
[11:43] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, the same way you put them there to start with?  I'll tell ubotu to send you a link
[11:43] <rynofly> i have a preexisting windows install on my primary hdd
[11:43] <Pugh> NoUse awesome that worked thanks a a bunch!
[11:43] <Urthy> lol ok Vox
[11:43] <`saiko> i recently upgraded to breezy and have the following problem in screen session: "failed to write /ar/run/utemp: no such process"
[11:43] <_jason> ubotu, tell Comrade_Vladimir about w32codecs
[11:43] <`saiko> anyone ?
[11:43] <`saiko> :/
[11:43] <rynofly> and a unformatted slave drive
[11:43] <Comrade_Vladimir> its not there anymore
[11:44] <The_Vox> Urthy: aptitude rocks
[11:44] <Urthy> neato
[11:44] <dooglus> nalioth: OK, I'll try.  Ta.
[11:44] <Urthy> aptitude makes my pants tight
[11:44] <Urthy> LMAO
[11:44] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, ubotu sent you a new location
[11:44] <Comrade_Vladimir> _jason and i have hoary until my breexy comes in
[11:44] <nalioth> Urthy: did you get your nick problem resolved?
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> alright...  if your a ubuntu newbie and you need help clap your hands, n' pour me a shot of tequila damnit
[11:44] <raphink> hi
[11:44] <slide> Can i install quake3 via apt-get? or do i have to use the installer?
[11:44] <shadeofgrey> hi!
[11:45] <Seveas> slide, installer
[11:45] <Toran> eh... where can I find the best apt sources list for breezy, like the sources list on ubuntu guide? I am not seeing anything like that on help.ubuntu.com . . .
[11:45] <raphink> I've got a pb with sudo i can't explain it ...
[11:45] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, I believe it doesn't matter since they are windows dll's but here; http://giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[11:45] <rynofly> hey
[11:45] <raphink>  $ sudo apt-get update
[11:45] <raphink> sudo: Can't open /var/run/sudo/raphink/1: Read-only file system
[11:45] <raphink> collect: Cannot write ./dfjALMgJuB016553 (bfcommit, uid=1000, gid=123): Read-only file system
[11:45] <raphink> queueup: cannot create queue file ./qfjALMgJuB016553, euid=1000, fd=-1, fp=0x0: Read-only file system
[11:45] <Seveas> Toran, ubuntuguide sucks
[11:45] <LjL> !tell toran about sources
[11:45] <Seveas> !tell Toran about easysource
[11:45] <LjL> msg ubotu easysource
[11:45] <Comrade_Vladimir> _jason thanks ill try them
[11:45] <LjL> sorry
[11:45] <slide> k
[11:45] <Urthy> nope nalioth
[11:45] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, np
[11:45] <Toran> don't diss ubuntuguide, it has helped me with a lot of stuff
[11:45] <Toran> lol
[11:46] <Urthy> mind helping get rid of urthmover?
[11:46] <LjL> Seveas: ;-)
[11:46] <Seveas> Toran, it's pure crap. point.
[11:46] <Toran> heh
[11:46] <Toran> and the official list doesn't even have universe/multiverse enabled by default
[11:46] <Toran> which sucks a big fat one
[11:46] <Seveas> Toran, for a good reason...
[11:46] <Toran> which is..?
[11:46] <NoUse> Toran can't do it legally
[11:46] <Toran> heh
[11:46] <Siph0n> so ne ideas how to fix my computer, if when rebooting it says it cant unmount the filesystem cause its busy, and when it boots up it says it cant mount the filesystem also.. but after its booted up it seems fine
[11:47] <`saiko> can anyone help?
[11:47] <`saiko> i recently upgraded to breezy and have the following problem in screen session: "failed to write /ar/run/utemp: no such process"
[11:47] <rynofly> is the problem im having because i have a windows install on my master drive?
[11:47] <`saiko> did someone had sth similar ?
[11:47] <LjL> Seveas: although, couldn't it be good to have Universe enabled as an option during installation? it would tell the user why it isn't enabled, and ask her if she wants it enabled
[11:47] <tritium> using "ne" is such laziness...how hard is it to type one extra letter and spell out "any"?
[11:47] <Seveas> LjL, the applications -> add applications thing enables them if you select things from it
[11:47] <Seveas> that's more than enough
[11:48] <nalioth> Urthy: /msg nickserv help ghost
[11:48] <Urthy> ok I'll do that
[11:48] <LjL> Seveas: i see, i don't have gnome and i don't quite remember what Add Applications can do
[11:48] <Urthy> thanks mandinga
[11:48] <Urthy> GHOST Urthmover massive
[11:48] <Urthy> LOL
[11:48] <Urthy> nice
[11:48] <Urthy> sry
[11:49] <TCTCH> IRC: question: how can talk directly to a person (so that he sees the text in "red"?)
[11:49] <Urthmover> yeah
[11:49] <Seveas> Urthmov3r, /msg nickserv set password new_password
[11:50] <Urthmover> I'm me again
[11:50] <LjL> TCTCH: by typing her nickname
[11:50] <rynofly> when i put in my cd after setting up my keyboard and stuff it says i can't copy file from cd. i have a windows install on my primary hd and i want to install ubuntu on my slave drive an unformatted 12 gig drive. is ubuntu trying to install to my master drive, cuz i don't see where i can pick where i ant to install?
[11:50] <Urthmover> yeah Seveas
[11:50] <Urthmover> lol
[11:50] <LjL> TCTCH: and it's a function of the specific IRC client anyway, not something you do
[11:50] <Urthmover> later jerry
[11:50] <TCTCH> LjL: ahh...ok
[11:51] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, can you help me now?
[11:51] <Urthmover> ok so linux kinda just sucked from an installation standpoint till ubuntu
[11:51] <Urthmover> anyone in agreement?
[11:51] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, i FINISHED MY HOMEWORK
[11:51] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, sorry for the caps
[11:51] <Urthmover> yeeee hawwww
[11:51] <rynofly> after setting up my keyboard and stuff it says it can't copy file from cd. i have a windows install on my primary hd and i want to install ubuntu on my slave drive an unformatted 12 gig drive. is ubuntu trying to install to my master drive, cuz i don't see where i can pick where i want to install?
[11:51] <Seveas> Urthmov3r, take this somewhere else
[11:52] <Seveas> this is a support channel
[11:52] <rynofly> how do i install to a slave drive?
[11:52] <Urthmover> sry man
[11:52] <Urthmover> ok
[11:52] <Comrade_Vladimir> _jason ok how do i install it now
[11:52] <LjL> rynofly: it definitely does let you pick a place to install to
[11:52] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:52] <LjL> rynofly: at a certain point during installation, it asks if you want "automatic partitioning" (or somesuch) or not
[11:52] <bimberi> rynofly: could be a bad cd (or burnt froma bad iso)?
[11:53] <Comrade_Vladimir> andrew@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:53] <Comrade_Vladimir> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[11:53] <Comrade_Vladimir> andrew@ubuntu:~$
[11:53] <Siph0n> if when rebooting it says it cant unmount the filesystem cause its busy, and when it boots up it says it cant mount the filesystem also.. but after its booted up it seems fine... any ideas how to fix?
[11:53] <varsendagger> yeah bud Red-Sox_homework
[11:53] <rynofly> it right out of the packege i got like 10 cds
[11:53] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, k
[11:53] <LjL> Comrade_Vladimir: use sudo
[11:53] <ubuntu_noob> hiya
[11:53] <bimberi> rynofly: hm, ok
[11:53] <Seveas> Comrade_Vladimir, don't paste in here - especially not useless info
[11:53] <_jason> Comrade_Vladimir, don't type "filename" type the actual filename w32codecs and so on and use sudo
[11:53] <Seveas> Comrade_Vladimir, sudo dpkg -i
[11:53] <Comrade_Vladimir> oh shush
[11:53] <LjL> Siph0n: it always tells me it's busy on shutdown, and i don't think that's been an issue
[11:54] <ubuntu_noob> *smile*  i think i might've come to the right place.
[11:54] <Comrade_Vladimir> it says command not found
[11:54] <Seveas> then spell it right
[11:54] <Siph0n> LjL: k... how about booting up? when it checks for all those things and says OK or Failed?
[11:54] <LjL> Comrade_Vladimir: "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb", with "filename.deb" being the *actual* filename
[11:54] <Comrade_Vladimir> oh hehe
[11:54] <LjL> Siph0n: well, it doesn't give me any "Failed" on bootup
[11:55] <Siph0n> k ... dunno what i did
[11:55] <varsendagger> Red-Sox_homework,  did you get my message?
[11:55] <Urthmover> oh the fun is back..and by that I mean support
[11:55] <Urthmover> :-)
[11:55] <rynofly> i put the cd in, hit enter to do the default install, it sets up language, keyboard layout, scans for cd drives, the n it isays can't copy file from cd, i think its trying to write it to the master drive instead of my slave which is unformatted
[11:55] <Urthmover> <-- ./dev/ham
[11:55] <ubuntu_noob> i got a question about the package manager, if anyone's got a moment.
[11:55] <LjL> Siph0n: i don't really know, try an fsck perhaps?
[11:55] <NoUse> ubuntu_noob toss the question out, someone will answer if they can
[11:56] <LjL> rynofly: i don't think that's the likely cause
[11:56] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, oh, yes
[11:56] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, my name isnt registeres
[11:56] <varsendagger> ahh
[11:56] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, not Red-Sox_homework
[11:57] <amonroy> I did sudo apt-get install apache2 and it failed. It says "This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created."
[11:57] <Red-Sox_homework> okay
[11:57] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, now whay
[11:57] <rynofly> LjL: what do you think it can be. its trying to copy stuff frrom cd, but i didn't select where i want to install yet...
[11:57] <amonroy> what does that mmean exactly? I have breezy badger
[11:58] <ubuntu_noob> NoUse: *nod*  i did a fresh install of ubuntu (downloaded just today) but one of the packages didn't seem to copy over properly from the install cd.  ubuntu-desktop is listed as 'broken' in the package manager.  when i mark that for reinstallation and apply changes it breaks on wvdial_...
[11:58] <LjL> rynofly: i agree with what's been said, i.e. that your CD is probably corrupted. i think it's just trying to copy to a RAM disk. try checksumming your CD perhaps
[11:58] <rynofly> a corrupted cd...i used shitit
[11:58] <nalioth> ubuntu_noob: open a terminal, please and type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:58] <rynofly> shipit*
[11:58] <NoUse> ubuntu_noob open up a terminal (Appls -> accessories -> Terminal) and run 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[11:58] <LjL> ubuntu_noob: tried a "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"? that should get the latest packages from the 'net, and i think it could fix your problems if the packages on the CD were broken or corrupt
[11:59] <LjL> rynofly: they say you must burn the Ubuntu CD very slowly
[11:59] <nalioth> ubotu: tell rynofly about verify
[11:59] <rynofly> LjL lol what i mean is i ordered the cds from shitit
[11:59] <nalioth> rynofly: not all pressed cds are correct
[12:00] <LjL> rynofly: oh ic, pardon me :)