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paolobHi guys! I could connect a thin client to the edubuntu server, and I could log in. However, when I log off (from the client), I can't log in anymore. Any hint?12:45
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mhzhi03:49
mhzarkan0x: holas03:49
arkan0xmhz, holas !03:49
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highvoltageogra: hi there06:09
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highvoltagehi JaneW 09:24
JaneWhello highvoltage 09:24
ajmitch_hi JaneW, highvoltage 09:24
JaneWhi ajmitch_ 09:24
juliuxhi JaneW highvoltage ajmitch_ 09:24
JaneWhi juliux 09:25
JaneWheh09:25
highvoltagehi ajmitch_ 09:25
highvoltagehi juliux 09:25
highvoltage:)09:25
BurgundaviaJaneW, greetings09:30
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highvoltagehi burgie09:32
ajmitch_this channel is full of greetings tonight09:32
BurgundaviaI really should be going to bed. It is midnight here09:33
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JaneWhi Burgundavia 09:35
juliuxhm here it is 9:30 in the morning09:35
JaneWhi crimsun 09:35
crimsunhi JaneW 09:35
JaneWBurgundavia: how's Canada - cold yet?09:35
Burgundaviawe don't get snow where I live09:36
Burgundaviapart of the reason I live here09:36
BurgundaviaVictoria, not Canada in general09:36
BurgundaviaJaneW, what is your involvement with LaptopTesting?09:37
JaneWBurgundavia: oic09:39
JaneWBurgundavia: I am not particularly involved at all09:39
ajmitch_darn, I hoped you could get me another laptop ;)09:39
BurgundaviaJaneW, who at canonical leads that little band of merry men09:39
Burgundavia?09:39
ajmitch_claire, isn't it?09:39
Burgundaviashe did the initial work, I just wondered if she was continuing with the day to day stuff09:40
JaneWBurgundavia: mjg5909:40
Burgundaviaok09:40
JaneWMatthew Garret09:40
Burgundaviabut I thought Matthew didn't work for you guys09:40
ajmitch_I wouldn't think there'd be much day to day stuff to continue with at the moment09:41
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Burgundaviasomewhat09:41
ajmitch_just the technical side with mjg59 does09:41
ajmitch_morning \sh 09:41
BurgundaviaI am thinking mostly of the social stuff about getting people involved and keeping them involved09:42
Burgundaviadefining a clear goal, etc.09:42
ajmitch_I didn't hear much after I got the laptop09:42
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ajmitch_just some reminders on irc to keep the wiki updated09:42
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Burgundaviaya09:43
ajmitch_I'm out of the team for now though :)09:43
ajmitch_unless you want me to pull out the old latitude junker09:43
Burgundaviais there any value is getting it to work?09:43
ajmitch_no, it was working fine with breezy09:44
ajmitch_but the latch holding the battery in broke & I'll have to tape/glue it in09:44
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Burgundaviahmm, new Suse 10.1 alpha 3 screenies09:44
Burgundavianothing much to write home about09:45
Burgundaviaan odd mix of kde and gnome09:45
=== ajmitch_ will hopefully get a new laptop in the next 2-3 weeks
BurgundaviaI can see why they are pushing for Tango09:46
ajmitch_since I'll need it before mid-january & LCA09:46
Burgundaviawell, night all09:51
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mhzhi02:40
mhzogra: ping02:40
mhzogra: I got a question02:40
ogramhz, pong02:40
mhzThere's someone with a DB on linux relate questions (for training)02:41
mhzKeduca is default in Edubuntu02:41
mhzand moodle will be02:41
mhzso, what would you suggest02:42
mhzeither make them work under Keduca or make them availbale for moodle in the future?02:42
ograi think keduca will stay for a while, but how hard is it to make it available for both ?#02:44
mhzdon't know much about DB. what should I ask him about? (in order to find out best way)02:45
ograall you will need is a script to convert from one to the other format i guess02:46
mhzok02:46
mhzI'll see what Keduca needs02:47
mhzro be feeded02:47
mhzro = to02:47
mhzogra: thx02:48
ograwelcome :)02:48
juliuxogra, did you get any e-mails from the essener linuxtage?03:03
ogranot today, nope03:05
juliuxogra, no in the past03:05
ograyes.. 03:05
juliuxogra, can you forward it to me? 03:06
juliuxogra, they think that you are the one who manag the both03:06
ograheh03:06
juliuxso the send all e-mails to you and not to me03:06
ograaddress ?03:07
juliuxand in the irc they said to me, why you didn't know it, we send you an e-mail03:07
juliuxjuliux@ubuntu-de.org03:07
ograforwarded03:08
ograi guess they meant the kubuntu mail ...03:08
juliuxogra, thanks03:08
ograi dont have anything else looking official her03:08
ograe03:08
juliuxogra, ok 03:08
mhzogra: hmm, I have a doubt. For EdubuntuSoftwareList, I am trying (am now) to list them as a table. The idea is we can easily see: Application Name, Languages we tried it in for both Audio (when applicable) and Menus, Ages group we can use it, Category we can use it (Mat, Chem, Lang, Biology, etc)03:16
mhzogra: I never thought i'd say this but i guess Moin is not a good candidate for such a table, or is it?03:17
mhz:)03:17
ograno idea :) you are the wiki specialist 03:17
juliuxhi mhz 03:17
juliuxmhz, we don't will do lightscribe, you need for every cd/dvd 30min03:17
mhzjuliux: hi03:17
ograask JaneW, she has a lot experience with huuge wiki tables :P03:17
mhzjuliux: coool! so freedom will be?03:18
mhzogra: oh, good03:18
mhzJaneW: 03:18
mhzJaneW: ping03:18
juliuxmhz, printing on the cd/dvd03:18
mhzjuliux: good03:19
juliuxmhz, but there ist no guarantee that it works under linux03:19
mhzjuliux: why?03:19
juliuxmhz, at first we have to find someon who will buy such a printer ;)03:19
ograjuliux, talk to amu, he uses it under linux afaik03:19
juliuxmhz, don't aks me ask epson03:20
mhzwhich printer do you need?03:20
juliuxmhz, i think it will be a epson stylus photo r22003:20
juliuxmhz, it only cost 9903:20
ograwhich reminds me, i need to talk to him about selling edubuntu CDs :)03:20
mhzis that cheap in Deutschland?03:20
juliuxmhz, yes that is cheap03:20
juliuxogra, you really want this?03:21
mhzogra: he's selling edubuntu cds?03:21
mhz:)03:21
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ograjuliux, sure, why not ? he has the shop and the equipment to make them professional ...03:21
ograi'm not happy at all with self printed B/W covers and self burned unlabeled CDs03:21
mhzogra: are they easy-to-access CDs?03:22
juliuxogra, yes i know03:22
ogramhz, whats "easy-to-access" ?03:22
mhzjuliux: selling cds is another biz model. it is not a bad idea, as long as the price you charge is 'easy-to-access'03:22
juliuxogra, the problem i have with this where is advantage for the community?03:23
ograits about 2 (which is about $2.50)03:23
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mhzogra: IMHO easy to access = reasonable prize someone would be happy to pay for, mainly because he'll get good quality03:23
ograjuliux, they get CDs 03:23
juliuxogra, you also can download it03:23
ograjuliux, we are planning a official vendors page for the edubuntu page ... 03:24
juliuxogra, i dislike it if there is a person who realise profit with freesoftware03:24
ograand as long as you cant get them through shipit, people lkike amu are important for distributing them in a professional way03:24
juliuxogra, in my opinion there is no advantage for edubuntu03:25
ograit was the same with kubuntu, which you couldnt get thrugh shipit03:25
mhzjuliux: Tecnocimiento biz model includes the idea of returning a % of the profits to the Community Memebers (active ones)03:25
ograjuliux, for the many compynys that ask me for pressed CDs its the best alternative03:25
juliuxogra, kubuntu is something total differents03:25
ogranope, not at all03:26
juliuxogra, it is, because amu develops on kubuntu03:26
ograif we cant ship CDs its our responsibility to make them available somehow ...03:26
ograjuliux, this doesnt matter03:26
juliuxogra, i think that is matter03:26
mhzjuliux: oh, so your point is you are against of biz out of work people have not put effort in?03:27
juliuxmhz, no im against biz if there is no backflow to the community03:27
mhzoh, i see your point03:27
ograthere is a flowback ...03:27
juliuxmhz, i have no problems that there are kubuntu cds/dvds in amus shop03:27
juliuxogra, where it is?03:28
juliuxogra, where is the problem that you burn the cds yourselfe?03:28
ograjuliux, people with no access to CD writers and with no opportunity to download get Cds03:28
mhzjuliux: but unfortunately, that is Ethics issue. Ethics is not specified in "freedom" manifesto.03:28
juliuxogra, but you also need an internet access to buy this cds03:28
ograjuliux, i work 14h a day, whne should i care about shipping CDs ?03:28
juliuxogra, i didn't said that you should to it03:29
mhzjuliux: hence Tecnocimiento (I lead the small group) will send $% back to community.03:29
zakameogra: waah03:29
ograjuliux, sitting in a shag in africa with modem connection i can order them, but cant download03:29
juliuxhm03:29
ograjuliux, and thats the majority of edubuntu users03:29
ograthey have no CD writer, have no fast internet access ...03:30
juliuxanyway i dislike it if there is no backflow to the community, there is some guy who makes money with something he didn't make03:30
ogramy main target is to get my CDs to the users ... there amu helps a lot03:30
juliuxogra, of course03:30
mhzand, in Chile, institutions do prefer professional look over "hand-written" cds03:31
ograjuliux, he makes about 0.20  per CD for the time he invests...03:31
juliuxogra, klein vieh macht auch mist03:31
ograi dont think he earns *anything* by making the CDs ....03:31
juliuxogra, if it so its ok03:31
mhzogra: however, i still do not have funds to have professional cds printed out nor to order from amu :(03:31
ograthe money comes from merchandise, not selling CDs03:31
ogramhz, we'll have a bunch of pressed CDs in dapper ...03:32
juliuxogra, if i burn a cd and print it cost not more than one euro!03:32
mhzogra: yup, I am pacient (i guess :D )03:32
ograjuliux, and packing, labelling and goint to the post office is for free ? 03:33
ograyou invest time ...03:33
mhzjuliux: maybe with the money amu makes from selling he can spend time in contributing to kubuntu ?03:33
ografor example :)03:34
juliuxmhz, ogra it is something generally not especially for amu03:34
mhzhehehe03:34
mhzwell, i dont know03:34
mhzI think that we should always encourage biz models around freedom of IT access03:35
ograjuliux, its business ...03:35
juliuxogra, but there diffrent kinds of business03:36
ograjuliux, without business models around free software, we wouldnt be here03:36
mhzjuliux: how ever, i do agree with you on the fact that we need sustainable development of it03:36
juliuxogra, lehmans spend at debian for every debian dvd the sell03:36
ograthats fine, but their decision03:37
mhzso we should also encourage more community backflow of profits03:37
juliuxogra, and such business is ok for my03:37
ograand be sure, for a 10 dvd pack they still earn more than amu03:37
juliuxs/my/me03:37
ograeven if they give money to debian03:37
ograand why should amu give money to canonical  ? 03:37
juliuxogra, not to canoncial03:38
juliuxogra, to the foundation03:38
ograthe foundation ? haha03:39
juliuxogra, or to the community or something else03:39
juliuxogra, yes i think so03:39
juliuxogra, the foundation needs money in the future03:39
juliuxi think03:39
ograas long as canonical exists, the foundation wont do much active work i guess ...03:40
ograsince there is no need to ...03:40
juliuxogra, it is not my decision who makes edubuntu cds or dvds03:42
ogramine neither, they are freely availale ;)03:42
ograbut i like to know my distributors....03:43
juliuxogra, i know, but i want to tell my opinion, and yes i knwo that i am a idealist.03:43
ograand amu did a huge amount of work for ubuntu/kubuntu already ...03:43
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mhzJaneW: ping03:44
mhzjsgotangco: hi03:44
jsgotangcohello03:44
juliuxogra, yes and he is one of the radical kde/kubuntu people in germany03:44
jsgotangcomhz: evening m803:44
juliuxhi jsgotangco 03:44
ograjuliux, whats wrong with this ? 03:44
mhzjsgotangco: could you take a look at EdubuntuSoftwareList? 03:44
juliuxogra, i will tell it to you in essen03:45
jsgotangcosure03:45
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mhzjsgotangco: I gotta decide what is simpler to admin/contribute03:45
ograjuliux, there are radicals in gnome as well ... 03:45
jsgotangcomhz: Active Directory03:45
juliuxogra, but not in germany03:45
mhzjsgotangco: either table layout or simple listing03:45
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juliuxogra, and not such radical03:45
ograjuliux, sure there are03:45
mhzjsgotangco: ??03:45
juliuxogra, who?03:45
ograeven more radical03:45
juliuxogra, in germany?03:45
ogrago to guadec :)03:45
juliuxogra, i was there03:45
ograyou'll meet germans that are more radical and meet the ones that are less radical ...03:46
juliuxogra, who?03:46
jsgotangcoradigal germans/03:46
jsgotangco?03:46
ograor pick a random gnome or kde message at heise and look at the forum :)03:46
juliuxogra, i was the last years on the fair both of gnome03:46
mhzjuliux: in Chile people call me "Taliban"03:46
juliuxogra, that are only trolls03:46
ograjuliux, urban legends have roots, as well as trolls have ....03:47
jsgotangcomhz: Celestia can be used for Astronomy03:47
mhzjsgotangco: oh i see, admin/contribute is simple via Active Directory :)03:47
mhzjsgotangco: ok.03:47
juliuxogra, the point is that amu made a lot for gnome in germany and everybody said thanks amu thanks amu, and at the next point he said gnome is shit 03:47
ograthey are only a mirror of the cummunity ...<03:47
jsgotangcomhz: although i don't really know if its workable in an ltsp environment03:47
ograand you have the same trolls on both sides03:47
jsgotangco(it requires opengl)03:48
mhzjsgotangco: but my doubt is oriented to Table v/s Listing03:48
ograjuliux, thats politics ... he wants to build a business around KDE ...03:48
jsgotangcoi like the listing03:48
jsgotangcomhz: that looks like wicked moin syntax especially on the toc03:48
jsgotangcoand the table03:49
juliuxogra, and he made it also work for guadec and the foundation said thanks amu, and then hey said no i don't want to make fair both with ubuntu because there are gnome foods03:49
juliuxogra, the same with the german ubuntu forum03:49
jsgotangcotrouble in paradise?03:49
mhzjsgotangco: my problem with listing is that so far I'll need to repeat stuff many times03:49
mhz:(03:49
ograjsgotangco, germany != paradise :)03:49
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juliuxogra, amu thinks at first on it selfs and the what is the best for the users03:50
jsgotangcohow cold is 2 deg C?03:50
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ograjuliux, amu wants to build a business arond free software....03:50
juliuxogra, and this is i the wrong way if you do publicwork for something, i think03:50
juliuxogra, yes but then i have to make business both and not community boths on fairs03:51
mhzjsgotangco: cold, very cold but not like antartica03:51
ograthats the only way to do it if you want to earny your life with it ... 03:51
juliuxogra, no there is also an other way03:51
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juliuxogra, you can directly speak with the people you need to make something03:52
ograjuliux, then you should tell it to the business people who try to make a business around oss03:52
juliuxogra, this business people didn't need a free community both on a fair, they paid for it03:53
jsgotangcoogra: do you have edubuntu roadmap for dapper online?03:53
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ograjuliux, do you really think canonical or ubuntu would exiist without marks money ? look at the existing models03:53
ograjsgotangco, nope, not yet ...03:53
\shjuliux: they don't 03:53
juliuxogra, i find it totaly ok that there is oss business03:53
\shjuliux: redhat goes to big fairs like cebit...but they send only marketing stuff to people who are going to small fairs in their spare time03:53
ograjsgotangco, but the roadmap will only be "breezy +polish polish polish"03:53
juliux\sh, but they didn't get a free!!! both!03:54
ograjsgotangco, there wont change much ...03:54
\shjuliux: booth...yes they get03:54
juliux\sh, but not for free!03:54
ograjuliux, sure03:54
juliuxogra, where?03:54
ograjuliux, as long as they come as fedora03:54
juliuxogra, not in the community area03:54
\shjuliux: as fedora yes...as redhat no03:54
ograbut go to the fedora booth, they will promote redhat03:54
\shjuliux: thats why everbody is doing community distros now03:55
ograjuliux, and *thats* a unclean business model imho03:55
juliuxogra, i didn't said that it is ok03:55
jsgotangcoogra: yeah i understand the polish thing, but we're still having some new software changes right, but not changes that will break the whole build...03:55
\shjuliux: btw..did "ubuntu deutschland e.v." paid any trademark fees, to use ubuntu?03:56
juliuxbut i dislike it if there is somebody who want to make buisness but said it is a free community project03:56
juliux\sh, we made a agreement03:56
ograjsgotangco, i'd like to avoid bigger SW changes if possible03:56
juliux\sh, we can use it for free but we don't have any rights03:57
\shjuliux: see..and others have to pay for the trademark usage :) ... amu is also not using ubuntu on any product he is doing...only kubuntu..and he's using ubuntu only with permission03:57
juliux\sh, he use the ubuntu logo 03:57
\shjuliux: thats licensing..no rights but using it...but this is OT03:57
ograjuliux, and ?03:57
juliux\sh, you want to see a picture of it?03:57
\shjuliux: no...not on cups e.g.03:57
juliux\sh, as a sticker03:57
\shjuliux: well..the domain is mine :)03:57
mhzjuliux: we call the guys who take advantage from community efforts "Articulators"03:58
juliux\sh, i have on my laptop03:58
jsgotangcoogra: i'm trying to find on lp and wiki on big dapper features, but most i saw are polish, polish, polish, with the exception of a new kernel, xorg 7, new de, etc03:58
\shjuliux: I know what he's selling...because he is using my domains :)03:58
ograjsgotangco, exactly ... edubuntus polish will happen mostly in ltsp03:58
\shjuliux: and there is no need for a war between the distros...03:58
juliux\sh, what do you mean with this?03:59
mhzjuliux: i guess we can 'educate' people in terms of Community Ethics. I believe backflow of some $% from incomes is a good idea, so we can all continue contributing03:59
juliuxhttp://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=31&products_id=12303:59
\shjuliux: if there is a problem...let's have a drink with amu and talk about it...he's a nice guy believe me03:59
juliux\sh, i dislike amu very much03:59
\shmhz: he is doing that03:59
jsgotangcohmmm?03:59
ograjuliux, things like the trademark shit, lkeagl issues etc made me run away from debian ... id really appreciate if ubuntu wouldnt become debian in the future ...03:59
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mhz\sh: good04:00
ograjuliux, but the road the ubuntu e.V. goes is exactly the debian leagal road04:00
juliuxogra, i have no problem with amus work04:00
juliuxogra, what does you mean?04:00
mhz\sh: however, I understadn juliux feeling because in Chile I have seen MANY people just using the community for his own benefit04:00
\shjuliux: believe me when I tell you, that amu is not doing anything against canonical or ubuntu or mark in general...he always asked about permission...he even asked maddog to do his business without paying linux trademark fees04:00
mhzand taking all credits04:00
ograwanting to sue people for misusage of the logo etc04:00
juliuxshit my english is to bad to say what i want04:01
ograimho it was a wrong decision from canonical to give the trademar authority away04:01
juliuxogra, i didn't get it04:01
mhzjuliux: shoot in deutsch04:01
\shmhz: in germany we have many so called linux iso shops etc. and they don't give anything back to the community....amu is doing this...read riddells blog...about a strange german kubuntu fan with unlimited bandwidth...I think it's amu...and I didn't ask him...but he is one with a big pipe04:01
juliuxogra, we are only allowed to use it04:01
ograoh, that sounded different when you were upset about the berlin booth04:02
juliuxogra, what does you mean?04:02
jsgotangco\sh: does not give back?04:02
\shogra: canonical didn't give anything away04:03
\shjsgotangco: amu is giving back...others not04:03
mhz\sh: i am happy amu is spreading this, i am not complaining, I am just trying to understand juliux feeling and compare it to Chilean reality. I am also trying to build a biz model here.04:03
ogra\sh, thats how i understood the announcement ... but seems i was wrong04:03
juliuxogra, the problem with the berlin booth was that at this point there was some people in germany who said ubuntu isn't a community project so the shouldn't get a both at the community area at fairs04:04
jsgotangcowell amu also has gnoppix to begin with...04:04
\shogra: canonical aggreed of the usage of the name and "logo"? i think...but they didn't give away any other things...canonical is allowed to revert the agreement at any time whenever they want without any questions...only in written form ,)04:04
ogra\sh, since i saw that kubuntu wants to join the booth in essen, i guess we'll see amu04:04
juliuxogra, that isn't true04:04
ograjuliux, what ? 04:04
\shogra: I hope so :)04:04
juliuxogra, amu doesn't come to essen04:05
ograjuliux, sure ? 04:05
ograhe lives around the corner 04:05
juliuxogra, he said it to me so at the linuxworldexpo last week04:05
mhzogra: what "canonical give away" are you all talking about?04:05
mhz:)04:05
\shmhz: trademark rights04:05
\shmhz: but they didn't give away any trademark rights04:05
jsgotangcothey still own the name and logo for all i know04:06
mhz\sh: when?04:06
juliuxogra, amu don't want to have both with kubuntu and ubuntu04:07
ograjuliux, the mail i just forwarede to you asks for jioning the ubuntu/edubuntu/kubuntu booths04:08
juliuxogra, but this are people form a local lug04:08
ograwhich is a wonderful idea imho04:08
mhzjsgotangco: eureka! maybe if I list it by Application, and then add subheadings (Subejcts, Ages, Languages tried, etc) I'll end up writing less ?04:08
jsgotangcomhz: it sure looks like a good idea to me04:09
juliuxogra, i have ask several kubuntu people but nobody want come to essen04:09
mhzogra: yes! xBuntu communties should all be one huge thing04:09
\shmhz: http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/files/agreement.pdf04:09
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\shjuliux: i'm there :)04:09
mhz\sh: oh, thx. I can read now04:10
\shjuliux: that's why I said...i don't want an ubuntu or a kubuntu shirt :=04:10
juliuxogra, \sh i also said amu that i think there are many problems if we have at one fair an ubuntu both and a kubuntu both, but amu only think on his own project and on it own profit04:10
juliux\sh, why?04:11
juliux\sh, the problem is that ubuntu is the only distro who make differens in the names04:11
ograjuliux, i'd very much appreciate a joined booth ...04:11
ograand i'll care that we'll have one at fosdem ...04:11
mhzyup, it is nonse to have diff booths04:11
lucasvoogra: in which format do I have to enter vertrefresh and horzsync?04:11
ogra(if i can go)04:11
juliuxogra, i also want to have on big both04:12
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mhzactually, AFAIK, the BASE is exaxctly the same for all buntu flavours04:12
juliuxogra, what is fosdem?04:12
ogralucasvo, i guess XX-YY04:12
juliuxogra, that you have to said the kubuntu guys not me04:12
mhzthe booth should be just one, maybe with colored (or only logo based) areas04:13
ograjuliux, http://www.fosdem.org/200604:13
juliuxlucasvo, i can past you my xorg.conf04:13
juliuxogra, thxs04:13
\shjuliux: where is ubuntu doing differences? the names are only flavours...the base is the same..and the base is the most important thing...i don't care about gnome or kde or xfce or whatever anymore...I'm using what I want..and both have their rights...and amu and riddell are the two people who created kubuntu04:13
ograjuliux, i'll talk to riddell and amu04:13
mhzlucasvo: you can also read /etc/X11/xrog.conf04:13
mhzlucasvo: you'll find examples there04:13
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juliux\sh, on the names,  for example there is no gdebian or kdebian there is only debian, why we can do that with ubuntu?04:14
lucasvomhz: so it is the same way, ok thanks04:14
juliuxogra, thanks04:14
\shjuliux: this is marketing...and this is good...04:14
juliux\sh, i think that it isn't good for the users04:14
ograjuliux, because they are completely different in this regard ? 04:14
juliuxogra, sorry that i didn't understand04:15
ograjuliux, so you would prefer a 10 CD set coming with all flavous instead of a single CD coming with one desktop flavour ? 04:15
\shjuliux: of course..that's why we have edubuntu and will get xubuntu in future...every user has their own need...and he wants by default his desktop and his favorite colour..so give the user his free will...OSS is the freedom to choose04:15
juliuxogra, i want to have on cd that install the base system and and extra cd where is kde and gnome on it04:16
ogra*shudder*04:16
juliux\sh, but for this you didn't need extra distro names04:16
juliuxogra, that is more better than have 10 or more ubuntu versions04:16
\shjuliux: and this is not what ubuntu/kubuntu wants...because it's too expensive and the user is going to opensuse or fedora, because they have it there04:16
ograjuliux, mark aims to have hundrets of flavors at some point04:17
juliuxogra, i know04:17
mhzjuliux: I am still a huge Debian fan. However, the good point of Ubuntu is that it provides a debian-like environement with a desktop on top and tech support that can also be paid if needed..04:17
ograthats one of the targets of launchpad ...04:17
juliuxogra, i think that this isn't very good for the community04:17
ograyou'll be able to build your own flavour on the fly04:17
\shjuliux: think about that...chocolate is chocolate...but u have different flavours...and one girl likes nougat, the other girl likes zartbitter...do u think removing those flavours and delivering only "chocolate" is better for the user?04:17
ograjuliux, so canonicals business model is bad ? 04:18
juliuxogra, no04:18
juliuxogra, from the technical side it is very great04:18
ogranote that we will only earn money through a proprietary product (launchpad)04:18
mhzjuliux: so for an newbie or quick install, ANY Ubuntu flavour is ok because it gives you the chance to either install Server or Desktop pre-setup04:18
juliuxogra, but from the community aspect isn't very good04:18
juliux\sh, for choclate you don't need any support04:19
mhz\sh: of course not, I want all the girls04:19
mhz:)04:19
ograits perfect if you can just click together your iso without having deep technical knowledge iho04:19
\shjuliux: of course...u never went to the chocolate museum in cologne :)04:19
juliuxmhz, for newbies it isn't good because there a to much irc channels and to much forums04:19
juliux\sh, i went04:20
juliux\sh, i was there04:20
\shjuliux: and thats why we had a spec about it04:20
juliux\sh, the best words i can find for this situation is: 2 herzen schlagen ach in meiner brust04:21
mhzjuliux: hmmm, right. Maybe we should modify the way we want to help newbies ge ttheir info. However, any one can start at #ubuntu (i did) 04:21
juliux\sh, i find the technical process very great but i see the problems the you have to give very good support04:21
juliux\sh, and i see the splitting in the community04:22
juliuxif my english teacher could see that i write so much english at one day....04:23
mhzjuliux: yup, too many flavours is a dangerous edge. On the other hand, it may be good for many others. And we also have to 'teach' people about differences without getting lost04:23
\shjuliux: http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/files/agreement.pdf04:23
\shargl04:23
\shjuliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent04:23
juliux\sh, yes? what is with that?04:23
mhzjuliux: see? you are doing better every day04:24
juliuxmhz,  i think it is very great but then you have to have one big community and one big forum and not for every iso one forum04:24
mhzjuliux: and you are not speaking about "where do yo come from? / what does your mom do? " stuff04:24
\shjuliux: we will setup all flavours with different example content...there are matching content stuff, but as well completly separated stuff04:24
juliux\sh, i know04:25
mhzjuliux: yup, indeed. The forum should be just one.04:25
juliux\sh, but i think that it will be very heavy to give a newbie good support04:25
\shmhz: for this I like the idea of forums.gentoo.org ... all languages in one forum...04:26
ograjuliux, the target audience is totally different among these flavours ... would you like to answer edubuntu questions in #ubuntu ?04:26
juliuxogra, no04:26
mhzyup, I used Gentoo for a year04:26
ograyou see04:26
mhzogra: I guess he means about Forums, esp.04:26
juliuxogra, but there will be a problem if we have one ubuntu channel at freenode, one at gimp.net, one at euirc04:27
lucasvoogra: but if someone comes here and asks about rm/man or whatever he can also just ask in #ubuntu04:27
juliuxlucasvo, right04:27
lucasvoso basic things should stay together and then some sort of subforum for edubuntu and kubuntu and ubuntu04:27
mhzlucasvo: we do that in al lchannels, dont we?04:27
lucasvomhz: what do you mean, ask in every channel or ?04:28
ogralucasvo, i send people for basic stuff to #ubuntu04:28
lucasvoogra: so the same should be in forum04:28
juliuxogra, i will make a example where i see a very special problem: if there is one who has a problem with cups he ask in #ubuntu and than he has a problem with kmail, what should you do then? anser it in #ubuntu or sent him to #kubuntu?04:28
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ograso thats something a forums guy must do04:29
mhzlucasvo: when i 1st started using ubuntu, I tried #ubuntu. When I decided to use Kubuntu flavour I still used #ubuntu and people suggested #kubuntu04:29
juliuxmhz, but this isn't very good for newbies04:29
ograjuliux, as you liek ..04:29
ogralike*04:29
mhzjuliux: why not?04:29
juliuxogra, yes but it is a problem04:29
ogranope04:29
mhzjuliux: many newbies find IRC stressing :)04:30
ograyou make it a problem04:30
lucasvoI was so impressed of gnome so I stayed in ubuntu, it is really amazing how they grew, I first saw it 6 years ago...04:30
mhzjuliux: actually, I even get lost in #ubuntu :) 04:30
juliuxogra, in the irc it is a very littleproblem but what is in reallief ?04:30
ograjuliux, you can answer your kmail question in both channels04:30
juliuxs/reallief/reallife04:30
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ograjuliux, ??04:32
lucasvohttp://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams < why is this locked, is there any other place where the syntax is described? 04:32
juliuxogra, ??04:32
ograwhere is the problem in RL ? 04:32
lucasvoogra: you don't have irc :D04:33
juliuxogra, if you have to both one ubuntu and one kubnut04:33
ograwhy would you ? 04:33
juliuxi don't want but it will come so04:33
lucasvoogra: because you prefer reading emails in kubuntu but rather code with ubuntu...04:34
juliuxthat you have different irc channels different forums different developer meetings different both on fairs04:34
ogralucasvo, where is the difference ? they only have different desktops ... how does it matter which gui you use for coding ? 04:34
juliuxogra, there are people who have with this problems04:35
ograjuliux, i have no clue at all about KDE, the last time i really used it was v1.2 04:35
ograwhy should i give support for something i dont know04:35
lucasvoI don't like qt duallicense... it is crap04:35
juliuxogra, the best example is that we have in germany 2 ubuntu forums 2 kubuntu forums04:35
juliuxogra, you should give support for that04:35
ograso join the efforts, thats neither ubuntus fault nor the fault of the different flavours04:36
juliuxogra, but i think that all supporters should be at one point not a two or more04:36
ograjuliux, so join the efforts ... talk to the other people04:36
lucasvoogra: any process on ldm with edubuntu theme?04:36
lucasvojuliux: yes.04:36
juliuxogra, i have talk about this wiht very much people04:36
ogralucasvo, mdz sent me back to the coding pit, he wants some changes before it can get into dapper04:37
juliuxogra, i also have talk about this with mark04:37
ograjuliux, so why are there still two forums for every flavour then ?=04:37
juliuxogra, because there are people who want to make there own thing04:37
ogralucasvo, but in any case it will be in04:37
lucasvobest example is if sb. explains some basic stuff in kubuntu forum, it isn't available in edubuntu forum, so if I really want to get sure nobody already posted some similar problem I would have to search 3 forums04:38
juliuxogra, and this is a problem for the whol community04:38
lucasvoogra: can I have a preview? like the one you gave me, or is it still the same?04:38
juliuxogra, there is so much double work04:38
ograjuliux, where is the problem in joining them ?04:38
juliuxogra, don't ask me04:38
juliuxogra, at first there was only on forum04:38
ogralucasvo, its still *nearly* the same... some marginal changes to save memory are in04:38
juliuxogra, the problem is that you have to much versions of *ubuntu04:39
ograjuliux, just join them and do your work there ...04:39
juliuxogra, i have not the time to do the work on 4 forums04:39
ogranope, the problem are people who dont want to work together04:39
ograthats not related at all to the amount of flavours04:39
juliuxogra,  that is the second problem04:39
juliuxogra, it is also a problem of the amount of flavours04:40
ograso go ahead, join them, work with them and we'll have only one forum04:40
ograitsvery easy04:40
juliuxogra, that isn't so easy who you said it04:40
ograwhy its all about making the right compromises ...04:41
lucasvoogra: there isn't almost 0 compromises in merging 2 forums...04:41
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juliuxogra, yes exactly that i tried witht the both on fairs04:41
lucasvomaybe what we are doing is also doublework.... :D04:41
ogralucasvo, we managed to get the backports people joining motu ...04:41
juliuxogra, why you think i am here?04:42
lucasvowho knows maybe there is same discussion on #kubuntu04:42
ograhow should the forum stuff be differentz04:42
juliuxogra,  i want to have at least ubuntu and edubuntu and xubuntu at one both04:43
lucasvoogra: what is motu?04:43
juliuxogra, and i try it also with the kubntu guys04:43
ogralucasvo, the people caring for universe04:43
juliuxlucasvo, master of the universe04:44
ograjuliux, \sh is here 04:44
juliuxogra,  in know04:44
juliuxogra, and \sh will be in essen04:44
ograexactly04:45
juliuxogra, i ask more than one time the kubuntu-de guys what is for essen but no one wants, and amu wants to make is own thing04:45
lucasvohm, I somehow can't figure out the correct values for my screen04:46
lucasvo        X_HORZSYNC         = "31-62"04:46
lucasvo        X_VERTREFRESH      = "55-90"04:46
lucasvogives me more than 1024x76804:46
ogralucasvo, attach your screen to the server, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, get the values from the xorg.conf file on the server, attach the old screen and run the commnd again to have it reverted to the old values04:48
ogra(ro use a liveCD) 04:48
lucasvoogra: I can't attach it so server, it is in some rack04:48
ogras/ro/or/04:48
lucasvoogra: dpkg--reconfigure doesn't work at all, as I said it is a Xorg autoconf bug...04:48
ograthen to any machine with a CDROM and use a live CD to get the right values04:48
ograhuh ? 04:49
ograsure that works ...04:49
ogradid you file a bug ? 04:49
lucasvonumber  [Bug 17232] 04:49
lucasvo^^04:49
lucasvoI think one should disable ntp on ltsp client04:50
lucasvobecause most people won't give direct internet access to clients directly anyway04:50
ograjust chroot and uninstall it04:50
ograit will be gone in dapper anyway04:50
lucasvoogra: good04:51
lucasvothis is what I wanted to say, remove it in dapper :D04:51
ograas nearly all services ...04:52
lucasvogood04:52
ograwe'll only keep device and sound related stuff ...04:52
ograeverything else will be dropped04:52
lucasvocool04:52
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vmarksI just want to boot etherboot clients.04:54
ograi havent started working on etherboot yet, but it will work in dapper04:55
vmarkssix months away?04:55
ograapril04:56
lucasvoas my birthday present :D04:57
ogra*g*04:58
vmarksdang.04:59
vmarksI need earlier.04:59
ogravmarks, i'll have info how to tweak breezy earlier04:59
ograas sson as i have time to work on it04:59
vmarksthanks.05:02
vmarksI'm anxious for it- I have a teacher whose class has the clients ready.05:02
ogradid you get a nbi file in your tftproot after running ltsp-update-kernels with mknbi installed ? 05:03
vmarkslikely. let me look05:05
ogra /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/nbi.img-$version05:05
vzlthere is nbi.img and nbi.img-2.6.129-38605:06
ograthats the etherboot image ...05:06
vzlyet the client is still trying and failing on pxelinux.005:08
ogravzl, vmarks, could one of you try to edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default ?05:08
vzl:)05:08
vzlit says vmlinux ro initrd=initrd.img.05:09
ograand change the initrd line to point to the ethrboot image05:09
vzlok05:09
vzland stop and start something to make it take effect?05:10
ogranope, just boot a client ....05:10
vzland, will that change clients booting off pxe?05:11
ograi sadly have to go now to care for some RL stuff ...05:11
ograno idea, as i said, i havent played with etherboot at all ...05:11
vzlclient still failing on pxelinux.0 as an invalid image.05:11
ograaccording to mdz it should just work05:11
ograif you are still around in 1-2h i'll have more time05:12
vzlI'll be here.05:12
ografine05:12
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juliuxogra, http://www.linuxtag.org/2006/de/home/aktuelles/newsitem/article/call-for-papers-fur-den-12-linuxtag-vom-3-bis-6-mai-2006-gestartet-virtualisierung-lizenzmanage.html 05:49
juliuxogra, do you want to make one or two talks?05:50
mhz_wikiingogra: juliux what other fields could be included here http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList  ?05:51
juliuxmhz_wikiing, i will read it later, my girlfriend has a problem with matlap05:52
mhz_wikiing(BTW, still under wiki syntax work)05:52
mhz_wikiingshe uses MatLAb?05:52
mhz_wikiingjuliux: maybe she could help us with cross curricular usage of Edubuntu!05:53
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juliuxmhz_wikiing, she has to use matlab06:30
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juliuxmhz_wikiing, is kde new default desktop for edubuntu?06:36
vincenzioI hope not.06:36
juliuxmhz_wikiing, what for we need khelpcenter?06:36
mhz_wikiingjuliux: so far, the applications that were chosen belong to KDE06:37
mhz_wikiing(most of them)06:37
juliuxmhz_wikiing, i see in this list of software only kde programs06:37
mhz_wikiingyup06:38
mhz_wikiingbut gpaint06:38
mhz_wikiing:)06:38
mhz_wikiingand gompris and tuxpaint06:38
juliuxmhz_wikiing, boh not to much please06:38
mhz_wikiingyup06:38
juliuxmhz_wikiing, have you asked in the gnome channels for gnome education software?06:38
mhz_wikiingnope06:39
juliuxmhz_wikiing, pls do that06:39
mhz_wikiingI was not part of the choosing applications06:39
mhz_wikiingi will06:39
mhz_wikiingonce I can finish the listing and translating them :)06:39
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mhz_wikiingremember I am preparing an edubunt leaflet06:39
juliuxmhz_wikiing, http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=49 very much gnome education software06:46
mhz_wikiingjuliux: cool. I'll take a loot at them. Or maybe, you could wiki them on same EdubuntuSoftwareList at the end with a new section like GnomeApplicationsNotIncluded06:54
juliuxmhz_wikiing, hm06:56
mhz_wikiingjuliux: as a matter of fact, I use some other apps. not included by default06:57
mhz_wikiingsuch as ghemical and ChildsPlay06:57
mhz_wikiingamon other06:57
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mhz_wikiingjuliux: url already added07:37
mhz_wikiingthx07:37
juliuxmhz_wikiing, np07:37
ograjuliux, i dont think i want to talk about patents :)07:38
mhz_wikiingjuliux: so you think those fields are ok?07:38
juliuxogra, but you talk about edubuntu or?07:39
ograsure07:39
juliuxmhz_wikiing, i will take a look at the wiki page in a few minutes07:39
ograbut the link you pasted above talks bout patents07:39
juliuxat the moment i try to build gnome bluetooth control remote07:39
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mhz_wikiingogra: i'll be in the council meeting today (afaik, 3 more hours)08:16
mhz_wikiingJaneW: ping08:16
mhz_wikiingJaneW: how would you suggest we deal with edubuntu translation efforts?08:17
ograi dont think she's around08:17
mhz_wikiingJaneW: much of the Edubuntu docs are in the wiki.08:17
mhz_wikiingoh08:18
mhz_wikiingok08:18
mhz_wikiingthx for saving me the effort :D08:18
mhz_wikiingogra: would you prefer EdubuntuEnglishPage/ClVersion  EdubuntuEnglishPage/DeVersion etc?08:21
ograhmm08:22
mhz_wikiingor each LoCo team should have its own wiki /data ?08:22
ogracant we do that more transparent08:22
ogra ?08:22
mhz_wikiingsure, any ideas?08:22
mhz_wikiingBTW, EdubuntuEnglishPage is anything in default language :)08:23
ogranot really08:23
mhz_wikiinghehehe08:23
mhz_wikiingme neither, so far08:23
mhz_wikiing:D08:23
mhz_wikiingogra: well, i'll keep on wikiing. So far, the Edubuntu.org main page it is translated in http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile08:24
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mhz_wikiingand i guess, while we have no cleart 'policy' i'd betta keep CL pages in there, right?08:25
ograbut it looks good :)08:25
mhz_wikiingogra: cool it says" M$ rocks!"08:25
ogralol08:25
ograi doubt that08:25
mhz_wikiinghehehehe08:25
mhz_wikiingso, as there are some key info about edubuntu, hosted in wiki.edubuntu.org and I need some of those translated into spanish  (CL) for our EdubuntuTour, i'll keep the translated ones in tecnocimiento. I hope, if Council aproves my participation, I can host www.edubuntu.cl (so far, I have only booked it)08:27
ografine with me08:28
mhz_wikiingok08:28
mhz_wikiingyou are Mr. Edubuntu :D08:28
ograbut only the technical part ...08:28
ograJaneW is our manager ;)08:28
mhz_wikiingsure, but when she's not around , you are Second Man on board08:29
mhz_wikiingogra: could someone with access place a link to that CL page for spanish people?08:29
mhz_wikiing(link from edubuntu.org to that url)08:30
ograyou mean on the website ? 08:30
ograthats highvoltage territory08:30
mhz_wikiingogra: oh, i think we should modify our manifesto a bit: Edubuntu will always be free of charge08:31
mhz_wikiingwe could clarify: ...from Canonical's side.08:32
ograor just make clear that edubuntu is 100% ubuntu08:32
mhz_wikiinghehehehe08:33
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mhz_wikiingI agree that Edubuntu is 100% Ubuntu base packages. However, I still believe Edubuntu is much more than a 'distro'.Afaik, we do much more08:34
mhz_wikiingand if we also provide "contents" in a near future, then we'll definately be more.08:34
ograthats true08:34
mhz_wikiingso i like the idea of a EdubuntuManifesto08:35
mhz_wikiing.oO(but I'd do some editing to emphazise that we are based on Ubuntu distro and what our commitments with education are)08:35
mhz_wikiingogra: what or how do we vote over the packages we should/could include in Dapper?08:43
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ogramhz_wikiing, i dont think we'll change much08:49
ograsend a proposal to the ML08:49
ajmitch_ogra: what do you need to get into main/universe in the coming weeks?08:50
mhz_wikiingok, ogra. So does that mean we have no "procedure" to decide why an app. is included or not, over the others?08:50
mhz_wikiingajmitch_: sorry for the many moin notifications on EdubuntuSoftwareList. Actually, it's not much i am editing. it's been more syntax related. I still gotta add some info regarding the testings we've made. Once i finish, I'll translate that page.08:52
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ajmitch_no need to apologise08:54
mhz_wikiingajmitch_: thx, but i guess that after 20 notifications, you wanna kill me :)08:55
ajmitch_hah08:55
ajmitch_no08:55
mhz_wikiingcool then08:55
mhz_wikiingogra: but ok, let's say I send a proposal. It'd be fair to understand your point of view. I mean, I can suggest to eliminate 20 applications and include 25 new ones. What would that mean in technical terms?08:56
ogramhz_wikiing, regulary the apps are 09:08
ograselected at the edubuntu summit09:08
mhz_wikiing?09:08
mhz_wikiingwhen is next?09:08
ogradapper+109:08
mhz_wikiingoh and that means?09:08
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lucasvohttp://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=49 < one should include some of these apps into edubuntu...09:12
lucasvobtw, is there any classroom software which can turn off screen on all clients, lock screen, or start mplayer to show a stream of master PC?09:13
lucasvothat would be good for classrooms09:14
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ogralucasvo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/ feel free to enhance it :)09:16
ogramhz, that means we wont change much for dapper09:16
lucasvoogra: good09:17
lucasvoogra: but I neither know C nor glade09:17
mhzogra: yup, ok, I see it. when is it gonna take place the edubuntu summit and where?09:18
mhzlucasvo: i guess that what you ask is difficult09:19
lucasvomhz: why? in what way?09:19
mhzlucasvo: and esp. because ogra  and I _dont_know_who_else is actually taking all responsibility in current development areas.09:20
lucasvomhz: aha, wow, you alone?09:20
lucasvogreat job!09:20
mhzlucasvo: also, doing that will mean we will actually have phisical control over the machine.09:20
mhzlucasvo: thx but NOT me09:20
mhzlucasvo: and esp. because ogra  and I_dont_know_who_else is actually taking all responsibility in current development areas.09:21
mhzI ment "i dont know who else" :D09:21
lucasvomhz: a teacher wants more or less physical control over the machine09:21
mhzyup09:21
mhzi agree09:21
mhzif you mean "killing X", that is possible09:22
lucasvomhz: of course the linux freaks know how to open a new terminal with ctr-alt-f2 but this is not normal09:22
lucasvomhz: no, open an app which makes screen blank and doesn't react to mouse09:22
mhzif you mean control over what they see or dont... a bit more complex, unless yo mean "filtering" applications.09:22
mhzlucasvo: well, that is possible via SSH :D09:23
lucasvoI just mean the blackscreen function, for e.g. a teacher explains on the blackboard sth. -> he doesn't want kids to look at pc -> he wants to disable pc for several seconds09:23
lucasvomhz: yes09:23
mhzlucasvo: how would you exactly picture your idea?09:23
mhzlucasvo: ahhhh09:24
mhzlucasvo: the easier already-possible-to-do-it  way I see here is09:25
lucasvomhz: I don't know how to realize it, because, if you have more than one classroom using ltsp with same server you can't just blank all the clients09:25
mhzyup, that was gonna be my point09:26
mhz:)09:26
lucasvomhz: the problem is already-possible-to-do-it is not easy09:26
mhzhehehe09:26
mhzyup09:26
lucasvois there a way how to determine on which client sb. is logged in?09:26
mhzyou can kill X but it will affect all09:26
mhzarp09:26
lucasvothis is stupid, because it will even affect teacher09:27
lucasvoarp?09:27
mhzarp will tell you which IP's are connected to the server09:27
mhzso, if you run arp09:27
lucasvomhz: but not which user is connected on which pc?09:27
mhzand you previously identify each machine ip/position09:27
mhzyou may kill ip connection09:28
mhzwho, who is a comand that tells you who is logged in09:28
lucasvomhz: but then it will hang forever09:28
mhzlucasvo: yup09:28
lucasvomhz: but how do you want to determine which IP which user?09:29
mhzeasier way: educate your students to turn monitor off (they consume less energy, therefore are more env. friendly)09:29
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mhzhmmm, no ltsp boxes at the moment.09:30
lucasvomhz: you can simply make a panel applet which starts a programm which blanks the screen09:30
lucasvois ldm running on the client or on the server?09:31
lucasvohow can I turn off ltsp client ? 09:31
mhzogra: 'who' shows ttyX users are using. For Edubuntu LTSP, each tty is a remote box as well?09:31
lucasvo^ as normal user it isn't possible is it?09:31
lucasvomhz: no09:31
lucasvomhz: I only have local users09:32
mhzlucasvo: normal user? nope09:32
mhzlucasvo: then, if LTSP users are local users, then each TTY is a users09:32
mhzlucasvo: then, if LTSP users are local users, then each TTY is a user09:32
lucasvomhz: my sister isn't on the who output but she is logged in over ltsp09:33
lucasvomhz: no ltsp user is not local09:33
mhzthen LTSP users are not considered local users logged in09:33
lucasvono09:33
mhzok09:33
mhzlucasvo: but let's say we have a classroom with 10 clients09:33
lucasvoyes09:34
mhzeach client has a # = ip09:34
mhz'arp'09:34
mhzwill tell us what # are logged in, right?09:34
lucasvoright09:34
lucasvomhz: but as well non_# who are logged in09:34
mhzEach student uses a personal 'user'09:34
mhzI am user 'mhz' at box 192.168.0.1909:35
lucasvohttp://pastebin.com/436449 < some sample output09:35
lucasvojohanna is the ltsp user09:35
mhzso, tomorrow, i can be mhz at .5 or mhz at .1109:35
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lucasvoltsp on ubuntu is running through ssh?09:36
mhzyup09:37
mhzwow she's doing stuff09:38
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mhzlucasvo, then maybe you could 'grep -i johanna' and then kill her :)09:38
mhzall at once09:38
lucasvomhz: but this is forever and not only for 30s09:39
mhzhmm right09:39
lucasvomhz: we need to pause not to stop :D09:39
mhzlucasvo: easy way: Educate Johanna to turn on/off monitor upon teachers request09:40
lucasvomhz: yes09:40
mhz(plus we'll be more env. friendly)09:40
lucasvomhz: easy way works not with my friends09:40
lucasvo:D09:40
mhzLOl09:40
lucasvoand not with me :D09:40
lucasvobecause I will just open a new console and make ssh to my server :D09:40
mhzthen, we'd betta kill 'them'09:41
lucasvoeven with no X09:41
lucasvoyes09:41
lucasvobut reboot takes long time and one would always loose data09:41
mhzwe cant' work miracles!09:41
mhz:D09:41
lucasvoit isn't a miracle09:41
lucasvoogra: is there any way how to set a environment variable at login? with ip of client?09:42
mhzlucasvo: does XDMCP let you 'pause' user actions?09:42
lucasvoxdmcp probably yes09:42
mhzlucasvo: maybe then, we should offer both ways09:43
ogralucasvo, look at the source of student-control-anel09:43
mhzpause (xdmcp), no pause (edubunt ltsp)09:43
lucasvoogra_dinner: dinnert, the new german verb, dem english trend gemaess ? :D09:43
ogra_dinnerjupp09:44
lucasvoogra_dinner: how is one supposed to turn of ltsp client/09:56
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ogralucasvo, with the power button ?10:19
lucasvoogra: so no software poweroff :(10:30
ogranope10:31
ograhaving admin tols for stuff like ltsp is always a security violation... i wont include such functionallity this early in the development ...10:32
ograif you know a safe way to implement it, feel free, patches are welcome ;)10:32
juliuxwhere is mhz??10:58
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