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| === DiabloD3 wonders with 3.5rc1 will be available for dapper ;) | ||
| Tm_T | DiabloD3: "soon" ;) | 12:23 |
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| Tm_T | g++ transition was yesterday, so maybe any day now | 12:24 |
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| \sh | Tm_T: g++ transition was not yesterday | 02:32 |
| \sh | Tm_T: a new gcc toolchain was uploaded...but the transition didn't start now | 02:33 |
| \sh | Riddell: ping | 02:33 |
| Tm_T | oh | 02:43 |
| Tm_T | \sh: my smitake, sorry | 02:43 |
| Tm_T | I can type | 02:43 |
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| Tm_T | \sh: so transition will happen this week? | 02:49 |
| Tm_T | or during next month? | 02:50 |
| \sh | depends on doko and when he is saying: "go" | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | ok | 02:50 |
| \sh | Tm_T: we have actually >100 packages for universe and a couple in main | 02:50 |
| === Tm_T is just dummy user pretending to become developer ;) | ||
| Tm_T | ok, thanks :) | 02:51 |
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| raphink | \sh & Riddell : any of you has time to review my KDE packages today? | 03:02 |
| \sh | raphink: I can't build anything anymore | 03:03 |
| raphink | why? :( | 03:03 |
| \sh | because I dist-upgraded and have unmet deps, new libstdc++ hitted me as well...and all | 03:04 |
| raphink | ooo :( | 03:04 |
| raphink | I can't build either if that makes you feel better ;) My comp died yesterday as I was working on it though ssh. I guess (and hope it's only my secondary HD) but I have no way to know as long as I don't go see it... and it's 350km from there.... | 03:05 |
| raphink | \sh: so I just don't even know if my comp is alive anymore :s | 03:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: what solution is good for this error: "undefined reference to `kdemain' " | 03:23 |
| Riddell | \sh: no idea, where is this problem? | 03:24 |
| \sh | Riddell: linking...kdemain() is not found.. | 03:25 |
| \sh | Riddell: I googled for this...and it looks like it has something to do with -fvisibility=hidden or something | 03:25 |
| Riddell | I'd need to look at the code i think | 03:26 |
| \sh | Riddell: ksynaptics... | 03:26 |
| \sh | right now, I can't build anything ... debhelper is MIA | 03:26 |
| Riddell | ksynaptics 0.2.0-1ubuntu1? | 03:27 |
| \sh | ksynaptics_0.2.2 | 03:27 |
| \sh | (-1ubuntu1) or the debian one... | 03:27 |
| \sh | debian is prefered | 03:27 |
| \sh | but both (merge and orig) are complaining about the same issue | 03:27 |
| Riddell | \sh: debian version compiles fine for me in dapper chroot with KDE 3.5 packages | 03:31 |
| \sh | Riddell: and with 3.4.x? | 03:31 |
| \sh | grmpf...brb | 03:32 |
| Riddell | \sh: I don't have a 3.4 chroot just now and I guess I can't make one if libstdc++ et al is broken | 03:42 |
| Riddell | \sh: but send me the package you have and I'll check it and upload | 03:42 |
| Riddell | _pef: did you get konversation notification that I uploaded? | 03:42 |
| \sh | Riddell: no rush...I'll install this evening a flight-1 and everything will be fine :) | 03:44 |
| _pef | Riddell: when di you upload it ? | 03:52 |
| Riddell | _pef: yesterday | 03:54 |
| _pef | Riddell: nothing, and nothing on dapper-changes | 03:57 |
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| Riddell | _pef: this is why I don't like uploading with other people's e-mail addresses | 04:00 |
| _pef | Riddell: I will upload it this evening when back from office | 04:01 |
| Riddell | _pef: you can't, it's in main | 04:01 |
| _pef | right | 04:01 |
| Riddell | I'll upload it with my e-mail address in changelog | 04:01 |
| Riddell | and yours credited of course :) | 04:01 |
| _pef | Riddell: all is ok :) | 04:02 |
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| raphink | desktop-profiles package doesn't work under breezy | 04:34 |
| Riddell | what's that? | 04:34 |
| raphink | because it's not sync with the kommander version breezy uses | 04:34 |
| raphink | it's a tool developped initially for Skolelinux (Debian-edu) | 04:34 |
| raphink | to set preferences for users | 04:34 |
| raphink | like kiosk | 04:34 |
| raphink | except it's more powerful than kiosk (imo) and deals works with freedesktop to try to configure both gnome and kde at the same time | 04:35 |
| raphink | I'm going to see if the Debian version builds in breezy so it could be synced | 04:35 |
| raphink | Riddell: any time to have a look at my packages (tell me if I'm insisting too much on it ...) | 04:38 |
| raphink | ? | 04:40 |
| raphink | ^^ I lacked the `?' ;) | 04:40 |
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| \sh | Riddell: can we adjust kmail to use cursor keys for the message list pane? | 06:23 |
| \sh | Riddell: and leave pgup and pgdown for message up/down scrolling ? | 06:24 |
| Riddell | \sh: what does it use at the moment? | 06:25 |
| \sh | Riddell: n and right-cursor...which is strange... | 06:26 |
| \sh | for next message | 06:26 |
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| \sh | and previous message is P or left | 06:28 |
| Riddell | that is strange | 06:29 |
| \sh | previous unread is - and next unread is + | 06:31 |
| \sh | which is also a bit difficult for uk keyboards ;) , and . like evolution or ctrl+cursor down/cursor up would be a better combination IMHO... | 06:32 |
| \sh | even for german ones | 06:32 |
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| \sh | Riddell: multiple continous select messages in the message list pane..should be accessed via shift+cursor up/down, too | 07:21 |
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| Tm_T | hello seth | 08:16 |
| seth_k|lappy | hi Tm_T :) | 08:17 |
| === seth_k|lappy is so glad Firefox 1.5 finally made it in | ||
| Tm_T | Failed to fetch http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden [IP: 130.239.18.142 80] | 08:18 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 08:18 |
| allee | \sh: - and + only keypad are quite handy on de and uk keyboards even ;) | 08:19 |
| allee | s/only/on/ | 08:19 |
| \sh | allee: no...it means on de keyboards I have to jump from the 3rd level (+) back to the first level (-) | 08:20 |
| \sh | and on the uk keyboard i have to press shift to reach + | 08:20 |
| allee | ah, notebook without 'physikal' keybad | 08:21 |
| allee | sorry, used too much to use the laptop with an the external keyboard | 08:22 |
| \sh | allee: even with a external keyboard..i think the most natural keystrokes for navigating through a list is cursor up and down | 08:32 |
| \sh | brb | 08:33 |
| jjesse | haven't been following sorry | 08:35 |
| jjesse | but that has been a frustration to me is the kyes | 08:36 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: ping | 08:43 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: pong | 08:44 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: could you take a look @ http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=987 | 08:45 |
| jpatrick | ..please | 08:45 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: what is it? | 08:47 |
| jpatrick | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14423 | 08:47 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: I'll do it in a bit | 08:54 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: thank you | 08:54 |
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| Riddell | \sh: new patch https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4538 | 10:05 |
| \sh | it's fixed | 10:06 |
| \sh | already | 10:06 |
| \sh | i found it last time I uploaded the stuff | 10:06 |
| Riddell | cool | 10:08 |
| \sh | set to fixed | 10:09 |
| \sh | well...I have to upload the whole python chain again for 3.5 | 10:09 |
| \sh | doko should hurry up with the new toolchain :) | 10:10 |
| Riddell | I think new toolchain is in, he just has to announce it | 10:11 |
| Riddell | or something | 10:11 |
| \sh | Riddell: no..libgcj6 is not there... | 10:12 |
| \sh | or its there, but some deps are missing...gcc-4.0-base or something | 10:12 |
| \sh | Riddell: btw...it's quite nice if you play around with other desktop envs. | 10:12 |
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| \sh | Riddell: we should have a look what usability features of gnome and kde and xfce are really really cool, and others, we should improve... | 10:13 |
| \sh | e.g. konversation..moving channels with alt-left and right | 10:13 |
| \sh | => cool | 10:13 |
| \sh | xchat - switching channels with ctrl+pgup/down => uncool | 10:14 |
| \sh | s/moving/switching/ | 10:14 |
| \sh | evolution/thunderbird - scrolling through the message list with cursor up/down keys...=> cool | 10:14 |
| \sh | kmail moving with something else then that => notcool | 10:15 |
| \sh | when i'm visiting the essener linuxtage..I think I will sit there and do some real life usability tests with girls and young people...how they want to use the applications.. | 10:16 |
| \sh | what do u think about it? | 10:19 |
| Riddell | sounds good | 10:20 |
| Riddell | raphink: here is good | 10:35 |
| \sh | Riddell: kde-3.4.x in dapper and breezy is compiled without -fvisibility-inlines-hidden, right? | 10:35 |
| raphink | yop :)= | 10:35 |
| Riddell | \sh: yes | 10:35 |
| raphink | Riddell: I had a look @ knmap | 10:35 |
| \sh | Riddell: then I have the problem why ksynaptics is not building | 10:35 |
| raphink | it seems the remaining files are already in the source | 10:36 |
| raphink | so maybe the issue is with running a make distclean or so | 10:36 |
| raphink | but the rule distclean is not defined in this source | 10:36 |
| raphink | what do you think? | 10:36 |
| Riddell | raphink: it'll be differences in the automake version we use and the upstream uses. just add rules to rm the file | 10:38 |
| raphink | in debian/rules? | 10:38 |
| raphink | this package uses automake1.6 | 10:39 |
| raphink | while the default ubuntu version is 1.4 I think | 10:39 |
| Riddell | 1.9 is the best to use | 10:40 |
| Riddell | yes, debian/rules clean target | 10:40 |
| raphink | I guess | 10:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: do u actually know, if it's decided that we should test the canonical laptops as well with kubuntu cds? | 10:40 |
| raphink | but this package depends on 1.6 | 10:40 |
| raphink | Riddell: do you think having this package depend on 1.9 would fix that pb ? | 10:40 |
| Riddell | raphink: I don't think it would fix it no | 10:40 |
| raphink | ok | 10:40 |
| Riddell | raphink: why does it depend on 1.6? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: nothing has happened in that respect | 10:41 |
| raphink | because taht's what it told me when i tried to build it ;) | 10:41 |
| raphink | it said automake1.6 was required to build this app | 10:41 |
| raphink | so I just put this dependency | 10:41 |
| raphink | ;) | 10:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: it's probably using some ancient admin/ directory then. 1.6 will be fine | 10:41 |
| raphink | ok | 10:41 |
| \sh | Riddell: who is responsible for this decision? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: us? | 10:41 |
| raphink | Riddell: then what exactly do i need to clean? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: any files that mess up the .diff | 10:42 |
| raphink | I might be wrong Riddell but actually when I look at the diff I don't see remaining stuff | 10:42 |
| \sh | Riddell: I would like to have an official statement from canonical for this issue...because "canonical" can adjust the "little contract" they gave us :) | 10:42 |
| raphink | configure, src/Makefile.in etc. are listed | 10:42 |
| raphink | but they are no different really | 10:43 |
| raphink | just spaces removed or so | 10:43 |
| \sh | which is different from the original | 10:43 |
| raphink | most lines are like : | 10:43 |
| raphink | - echo "configure: 30656: $i/$j" >&5 | 10:43 |
| raphink | + echo "configure: 30497: $i/$j" >&5 | 10:43 |
| raphink | oh well | 10:43 |
| raphink | hehe there's a diff number | 10:43 |
| raphink | hehe | 10:44 |
| raphink | but if i remove these files | 10:44 |
| raphink | then the diff will be even bigger | 10:44 |
| raphink | since there'll be no file at all | 10:44 |
| raphink | no? | 10:44 |
| \sh | raphink: are u recreating the makefile.in/makefile etc? | 10:44 |
| raphink | no | 10:44 |
| raphink | \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=974 | 10:45 |
| raphink | that is the incriminated package | 10:45 |
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| \sh | cdbs | 10:45 |
| raphink | ? | 10:45 |
| raphink | I use cdbs | 10:46 |
| \sh | do u see any "aclocal/automake/autoconf/intltool" lines during building the package? | 10:46 |
| raphink | no idea | 10:46 |
| raphink | I use | 10:46 |
| raphink | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk | 10:46 |
| raphink | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk | 10:46 |
| raphink | include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk | 10:46 |
| raphink | in debian/rules | 10:46 |
| \sh | raphink: ah...well...cdbs is magic | 10:46 |
| raphink | + the docbook stuff | 10:46 |
| \sh | raphink: it sometimes recreates the autotools chain | 10:46 |
| papo | hello everyone. I have tried to update my kubuntu and this is what happened: | 10:46 |
| papo | Se encontraron errores al procesar: | 10:46 |
| papo | /var/cache/apt/archives/xrgb_0.99.0-5_i386.deb | 10:46 |
| papo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 10:46 |
| raphink | papo: this is devel channel | 10:47 |
| raphink | did you ask on #kubuntu ? | 10:47 |
| papo | ok, sorry | 10:47 |
| raphink | no pb | 10:47 |
| raphink | \sh: you mean it could be cdbs screwing up my build ? | 10:47 |
| \sh | raphink: jupp... | 10:48 |
| \sh | well actually yes | 10:48 |
| raphink | and what shall be the solution to this? | 10:48 |
| raphink | how so, | 10:49 |
| raphink | ? | 10:49 |
| raphink | Riddell: apart from that, I answered on REVU about kenigma | 10:50 |
| \sh | autotools-dev | 10:50 |
| \sh | automake1.6 | 10:51 |
| raphink | yep | 10:51 |
| \sh | remove them from debian/control | 10:51 |
| raphink | cdbs and docbook2x | 10:51 |
| raphink | I can't | 10:51 |
| raphink | if I remove automake1.6 it won't build | 10:51 |
| raphink | or will it? | 10:51 |
| \sh | argl... | 10:51 |
| raphink | maybe autotools-dev coudl be removed | 10:51 |
| raphink | but automake1.6 is required for this package | 10:52 |
| \sh | for what if you don't recreate the stuff/ | 10:52 |
| \sh | ? | 10:52 |
| raphink | well I don't know | 10:52 |
| raphink | lol | 10:52 |
| raphink | I just know I needed it to compile this app | 10:52 |
| \sh | it is not doing something like make -f admin/Makefile.common or something? | 10:52 |
| raphink | I can try without | 10:52 |
| raphink | never knwo ;) | 10:52 |
| raphink | mhm | 10:53 |
| raphink | I'll try | 10:53 |
| \sh | https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml important readers input :) | 10:53 |
| \sh | ok..CC meeting just starts in 7 minutes | 10:53 |
| raphink | let's see | 10:53 |
| === \sh is switching channels | ||
| raphink | who is to go to this meeting? | 10:54 |
| Riddell | raphink: everyone, are you a member yet? | 10:55 |
| raphink | Riddell: i'm registered on launchpad if that's what you mean? | 10:55 |
| Riddell | raphink: ubuntu membership is regonition by the CC of a commitment to ubuntu, hang around at the meeting and see what happens to people then you can go for it next time | 10:56 |
| raphink | \sh: as i think of it, Riddell advocated kio-sword, konq-toutf8 and konq-kim . If you have time, could you please look at them too? | 10:56 |
| raphink | Riddell: ok | 10:56 |
| raphink | where is it Riddell ? | 10:56 |
| Riddell | raphink: then once you have membership you can hang around some more and then get maintainership which lets you upload and revu and stuff | 10:56 |
| Riddell | raphink: #ubuntu-meeting | 10:56 |
| raphink | ok | 10:57 |
| allee | raphink: didn't you told me you need run make -f Makefile.cvs? this calls admin/Makefile.common as \sh suggested | 11:00 |
| raphink | this was in another package allee | 11:01 |
| allee | uh, sorry | 11:01 |
| raphink | in this one I didn't have to run make -f Makefile.cvs | 11:01 |
| raphink | ;) | 11:01 |
| raphink | no pb | 11:01 |
| Riddell | make -f Makefile.cvs is only needed if you edit Makefile.am's | 11:01 |
| raphink | the package seems to build without autotools-dev and automake1.6 | 11:01 |
| raphink | Riddell: I needed it for kalcul and libeduwidgetclock0 because they had not been done by annma | 11:02 |
| raphink | Riddell: the diff is clean now :) | 11:02 |
| raphink | i'll see if it builds | 11:02 |
| raphink | and if it does i'll upload it again | 11:02 |
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| raphink | hmm | 11:06 |
| raphink | \sh: debuild worked but then I tried to pbuild the package and it crashed with : | 11:07 |
| raphink | ./admin/cvs.sh: line 11: autoconf: command not found | 11:07 |
| \sh | yeah it's calling cvs.sh | 11:07 |
| \sh | which is a snapshot package | 11:07 |
| raphink | so I need autotools-dev at least | 11:07 |
| \sh | yes...but u have to put something in the packagename that it is not a final release or stable release or whatever...more to follow after the meeting | 11:08 |
| raphink | I'll try with autotools-dev but still without automake1.6 | 11:08 |
| raphink | ok \sh | 11:08 |
| raphink | putting autotools-dev back brings the pb back... | 11:16 |
| raphink | and it still requires automake too | 11:16 |
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| Riddell | uniq: joining us? | 11:34 |
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| jdong | kdevelop3 | 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu2 | breezy-updates | source, i386 | 11:47 |
| jdong | kdevelop3 | 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu1 | dapper | source, i386 | 11:47 |
| jdong | now, shouldn't breezy-updates be always << dapper? | 11:47 |
| raphink | one would think so jdong | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | eh htf did that happen | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | arent udpates supposed to be like 1.1 | 11:48 |
| Lathiat | i guess no one uploaded the update to dapper at any rate | 11:49 |
| jdong | umm, yeah it is an issue | 11:49 |
| jdong | similar problems were causing upgrade issues with mozilla packages, thanks to hoary-security.... | 11:49 |
| Lathiat | yeh that was fixed tho werent it | 11:49 |
| jdong | later via breezy-updates | 11:49 |
| jdong | though I sort of object to the way that was fixed | 11:50 |
| jdong | (IMO bumping breezy/main version up would've been wiser) | 11:50 |
| jdong | since -updates is turned OFF by default | 11:50 |
| Lathiat | well your objection si fairly useless | 11:50 |
| jdong | even breezy == dapper is a concern during upgrading... | 11:50 |
| Lathiat | since its already done ;) | 11:50 |
| jdong | lol, yeah :) | 11:50 |
| jdong | but just wanted to give a heads-up on -updates | 11:50 |
| jdong | kubuntu seems to be the heavy users of -updates (not a bad thing, I rather like it) | 11:51 |
| jdong | but at times it seems like there are packaging concerns | 11:51 |
| Riddell | jdong: uploading to dapper has been waiting on c++ transition | 11:51 |
| Lathiat | the libstdc++ transition? | 11:51 |
| jdong | Riddell: ah, ok | 11:51 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: yes | 11:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: think you could manage that for membership? | 11:52 |
| raphink | Riddell: what do you mean? | 11:52 |
| raphink | manage what? | 11:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: one of those meetings :) | 11:52 |
| raphink | sure I'm reading with great interest :) | 11:53 |
| raphink | I've just begun my wiki page actually ;) | 11:53 |
| Riddell | yay | 11:53 |
| raphink | there's not much so far lol | 11:53 |
| raphink | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink | 11:53 |
| Riddell | Ichthux? | 11:55 |
| Riddell | raphink: you should list the package you've made | 11:55 |
| raphink | yes I will | 11:55 |
| raphink | ichthux is a project I administrate | 11:56 |
| raphink | it's a bit stalled now | 11:56 |
| raphink | it's developed as a CDD | 11:56 |
| raphink | we've got a page on alioth | 11:56 |
| Riddell | raphink: link to the page | 11:57 |
| Riddell | CDD? | 11:57 |
| raphink | yep | 11:57 |
| raphink | Custom Debian Distribution | 11:57 |
| raphink | a set of metapackages to tune Debian (or Ubuntu) fastly into a specilized distro | 11:58 |
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| raphink | Riddell: is that getting better ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink | 12:02 |
| raphink | ;) | 12:02 |
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