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[02:50] or during next month? [02:50] <\sh> depends on doko and when he is saying: "go" [02:50] ok [02:50] <\sh> Tm_T: we have actually >100 packages for universe and a couple in main === Tm_T is just dummy user pretending to become developer ;) [02:51] ok, thanks :) === _pef [n=loic@81.56.205.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] \sh & Riddell : any of you has time to review my KDE packages today? [03:03] <\sh> raphink: I can't build anything anymore [03:03] why? :( [03:04] <\sh> because I dist-upgraded and have unmet deps, new libstdc++ hitted me as well...and all [03:04] ooo :( [03:05] I can't build either if that makes you feel better ;) My comp died yesterday as I was working on it though ssh. I guess (and hope it's only my secondary HD) but I have no way to know as long as I don't go see it... and it's 350km from there.... [03:06] \sh: so I just don't even know if my comp is alive anymore :s [03:23] <\sh> Riddell: what solution is good for this error: "undefined reference to `kdemain' " [03:24] \sh: no idea, where is this problem? [03:25] <\sh> Riddell: linking...kdemain() is not found.. [03:25] <\sh> Riddell: I googled for this...and it looks like it has something to do with -fvisibility=hidden or something [03:26] I'd need to look at the code i think [03:26] <\sh> Riddell: ksynaptics... [03:26] <\sh> right now, I can't build anything ... debhelper is MIA [03:27] ksynaptics 0.2.0-1ubuntu1? [03:27] <\sh> ksynaptics_0.2.2 [03:27] <\sh> (-1ubuntu1) or the debian one... [03:27] <\sh> debian is prefered [03:27] <\sh> but both (merge and orig) are complaining about the same issue [03:31] \sh: debian version compiles fine for me in dapper chroot with KDE 3.5 packages [03:31] <\sh> Riddell: and with 3.4.x? [03:32] <\sh> grmpf...brb [03:42] \sh: I don't have a 3.4 chroot just now and I guess I can't make one if libstdc++ et al is broken [03:42] \sh: but send me the package you have and I'll check it and upload [03:42] _pef: did you get konversation notification that I uploaded? [03:44] <\sh> Riddell: no rush...I'll install this evening a flight-1 and everything will be fine :) [03:52] <_pef> Riddell: when di you upload it ? [03:54] _pef: yesterday [03:57] <_pef> Riddell: nothing, and nothing on dapper-changes === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] _pef: this is why I don't like uploading with other people's e-mail addresses [04:01] <_pef> Riddell: I will upload it this evening when back from office [04:01] _pef: you can't, it's in main [04:01] <_pef> right [04:01] I'll upload it with my e-mail address in changelog [04:01] and yours credited of course :) [04:02] <_pef> Riddell: all is ok :) === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6356.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0D4C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] desktop-profiles package doesn't work under breezy [04:34] what's that? [04:34] because it's not sync with the kommander version breezy uses [04:34] it's a tool developped initially for Skolelinux (Debian-edu) [04:34] to set preferences for users [04:34] like kiosk [04:35] except it's more powerful than kiosk (imo) and deals works with freedesktop to try to configure both gnome and kde at the same time [04:35] I'm going to see if the Debian version builds in breezy so it could be synced [04:38] Riddell: any time to have a look at my packages (tell me if I'm insisting too much on it ...) [04:40] ? [04:40] ^^ I lacked the `?' ;) === author-psi [n=marcel@p5090743D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.14] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] <\sh> Riddell: can we adjust kmail to use cursor keys for the message list pane? [06:24] <\sh> Riddell: and leave pgup and pgdown for message up/down scrolling ? [06:25] \sh: what does it use at the moment? [06:26] <\sh> Riddell: n and right-cursor...which is strange... [06:26] <\sh> for next message === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] <\sh> and previous message is P or left [06:29] that is strange [06:31] <\sh> previous unread is - and next unread is + [06:32] <\sh> which is also a bit difficult for uk keyboards ;) , and . like evolution or ctrl+cursor down/cursor up would be a better combination IMHO... [06:32] <\sh> even for german ones === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.187.64] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] <\sh> Riddell: multiple continous select messages in the message list pane..should be accessed via shift+cursor up/down, too === author-psi [n=marcel@p5090743D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-214-47.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:16] hello seth [08:17] hi Tm_T :) === seth_k|lappy is so glad Firefox 1.5 finally made it in [08:18] Failed to fetch http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden [IP: 130.239.18.142 80] [08:18] hmm [08:19] \sh: - and + only keypad are quite handy on de and uk keyboards even ;) [08:19] s/only/on/ [08:20] <\sh> allee: no...it means on de keyboards I have to jump from the 3rd level (+) back to the first level (-) [08:20] <\sh> and on the uk keyboard i have to press shift to reach + [08:21] ah, notebook without 'physikal' keybad [08:22] sorry, used too much to use the laptop with an the external keyboard [08:32] <\sh> allee: even with a external keyboard..i think the most natural keystrokes for navigating through a list is cursor up and down [08:33] <\sh> brb [08:35] haven't been following sorry [08:36] but that has been a frustration to me is the kyes === jpatrick [n=patrick@70.Red-83-32-2.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:43] Riddell: ping [08:44] jpatrick: pong [08:45] Riddell: could you take a look @ http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=987 [08:45] ..please [08:47] jpatrick: what is it? [08:47] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14423 [08:54] jpatrick: I'll do it in a bit [08:54] Riddell: thank you === rtcm [n=jman@81.84.150.197] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.187.64] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-18-2.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p5090743D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-18-2.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-76.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] \sh: new patch https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4538 [10:06] <\sh> it's fixed [10:06] <\sh> already [10:06] <\sh> i found it last time I uploaded the stuff [10:08] cool [10:09] <\sh> set to fixed [10:09] <\sh> well...I have to upload the whole python chain again for 3.5 [10:10] <\sh> doko should hurry up with the new toolchain :) [10:11] I think new toolchain is in, he just has to announce it [10:11] or something [10:12] <\sh> Riddell: no..libgcj6 is not there... [10:12] <\sh> or its there, but some deps are missing...gcc-4.0-base or something [10:12] <\sh> Riddell: btw...it's quite nice if you play around with other desktop envs. === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-76.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:13] <\sh> Riddell: we should have a look what usability features of gnome and kde and xfce are really really cool, and others, we should improve... [10:13] <\sh> e.g. konversation..moving channels with alt-left and right [10:13] <\sh> => cool [10:14] <\sh> xchat - switching channels with ctrl+pgup/down => uncool [10:14] <\sh> s/moving/switching/ [10:14] <\sh> evolution/thunderbird - scrolling through the message list with cursor up/down keys...=> cool [10:15] <\sh> kmail moving with something else then that => notcool [10:16] <\sh> when i'm visiting the essener linuxtage..I think I will sit there and do some real life usability tests with girls and young people...how they want to use the applications.. [10:19] <\sh> what do u think about it? [10:20] sounds good [10:35] raphink: here is good [10:35] <\sh> Riddell: kde-3.4.x in dapper and breezy is compiled without -fvisibility-inlines-hidden, right? [10:35] yop :)= [10:35] \sh: yes [10:35] Riddell: I had a look @ knmap [10:35] <\sh> Riddell: then I have the problem why ksynaptics is not building [10:36] it seems the remaining files are already in the source [10:36] so maybe the issue is with running a make distclean or so [10:36] but the rule distclean is not defined in this source [10:36] what do you think? [10:38] raphink: it'll be differences in the automake version we use and the upstream uses. just add rules to rm the file [10:38] in debian/rules? [10:39] this package uses automake1.6 [10:39] while the default ubuntu version is 1.4 I think [10:40] 1.9 is the best to use [10:40] yes, debian/rules clean target [10:40] I guess [10:40] <\sh> Riddell: do u actually know, if it's decided that we should test the canonical laptops as well with kubuntu cds? [10:40] but this package depends on 1.6 [10:40] Riddell: do you think having this package depend on 1.9 would fix that pb ? [10:40] raphink: I don't think it would fix it no [10:40] ok [10:41] raphink: why does it depend on 1.6? [10:41] \sh: nothing has happened in that respect [10:41] because taht's what it told me when i tried to build it ;) [10:41] it said automake1.6 was required to build this app [10:41] so I just put this dependency [10:41] ;) [10:41] raphink: it's probably using some ancient admin/ directory then. 1.6 will be fine [10:41] ok [10:41] <\sh> Riddell: who is responsible for this decision? [10:41] \sh: us? [10:41] Riddell: then what exactly do i need to clean? [10:42] raphink: any files that mess up the .diff [10:42] I might be wrong Riddell but actually when I look at the diff I don't see remaining stuff [10:42] <\sh> Riddell: I would like to have an official statement from canonical for this issue...because "canonical" can adjust the "little contract" they gave us :) [10:42] configure, src/Makefile.in etc. are listed [10:43] but they are no different really [10:43] just spaces removed or so [10:43] <\sh> which is different from the original [10:43] most lines are like : [10:43] - echo "configure: 30656: $i/$j" >&5 [10:43] + echo "configure: 30497: $i/$j" >&5 [10:43] oh well [10:43] hehe there's a diff number [10:44] hehe [10:44] but if i remove these files [10:44] then the diff will be even bigger [10:44] since there'll be no file at all [10:44] no? [10:44] <\sh> raphink: are u recreating the makefile.in/makefile etc? [10:44] no [10:45] \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=974 [10:45] that is the incriminated package === papo [n=papo@87.223.255.97] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:45] <\sh> cdbs [10:45] ? [10:46] I use cdbs [10:46] <\sh> do u see any "aclocal/automake/autoconf/intltool" lines during building the package? [10:46] no idea [10:46] I use [10:46] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [10:46] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk [10:46] include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk [10:46] in debian/rules [10:46] <\sh> raphink: ah...well...cdbs is magic [10:46] + the docbook stuff [10:46] <\sh> raphink: it sometimes recreates the autotools chain [10:46] hello everyone. I have tried to update my kubuntu and this is what happened: [10:46] Se encontraron errores al procesar: [10:46] /var/cache/apt/archives/xrgb_0.99.0-5_i386.deb [10:46] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [10:47] papo: this is devel channel [10:47] did you ask on #kubuntu ? [10:47] ok, sorry [10:47] no pb [10:47] \sh: you mean it could be cdbs screwing up my build ? [10:48] <\sh> raphink: jupp... [10:48] <\sh> well actually yes [10:48] and what shall be the solution to this? [10:49] how so, [10:49] ? [10:50] Riddell: apart from that, I answered on REVU about kenigma [10:50] <\sh> autotools-dev [10:51] <\sh> automake1.6 [10:51] yep [10:51] <\sh> remove them from debian/control [10:51] cdbs and docbook2x [10:51] I can't [10:51] if I remove automake1.6 it won't build [10:51] or will it? [10:51] <\sh> argl... [10:51] maybe autotools-dev coudl be removed [10:52] but automake1.6 is required for this package [10:52] <\sh> for what if you don't recreate the stuff/ [10:52] <\sh> ? [10:52] well I don't know [10:52] lol [10:52] I just know I needed it to compile this app [10:52] <\sh> it is not doing something like make -f admin/Makefile.common or something? [10:52] I can try without [10:52] never knwo ;) [10:53] mhm [10:53] I'll try [10:53] <\sh> https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml important readers input :) [10:53] <\sh> ok..CC meeting just starts in 7 minutes [10:53] let's see === \sh is switching channels [10:54] who is to go to this meeting? [10:55] raphink: everyone, are you a member yet? [10:55] Riddell: i'm registered on launchpad if that's what you mean? [10:56] raphink: ubuntu membership is regonition by the CC of a commitment to ubuntu, hang around at the meeting and see what happens to people then you can go for it next time [10:56] \sh: as i think of it, Riddell advocated kio-sword, konq-toutf8 and konq-kim . If you have time, could you please look at them too? [10:56] Riddell: ok [10:56] where is it Riddell ? [10:56] raphink: then once you have membership you can hang around some more and then get maintainership which lets you upload and revu and stuff [10:56] raphink: #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] ok [11:00] raphink: didn't you told me you need run make -f Makefile.cvs? this calls admin/Makefile.common as \sh suggested [11:01] this was in another package allee [11:01] uh, sorry [11:01] in this one I didn't have to run make -f Makefile.cvs [11:01] ;) [11:01] no pb [11:01] make -f Makefile.cvs is only needed if you edit Makefile.am's [11:01] the package seems to build without autotools-dev and automake1.6 [11:02] Riddell: I needed it for kalcul and libeduwidgetclock0 because they had not been done by annma [11:02] Riddell: the diff is clean now :) [11:02] i'll see if it builds [11:02] and if it does i'll upload it again === papo [n=papo@87.223.255.97] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:06] hmm [11:07] \sh: debuild worked but then I tried to pbuild the package and it crashed with : [11:07] ./admin/cvs.sh: line 11: autoconf: command not found [11:07] <\sh> yeah it's calling cvs.sh [11:07] <\sh> which is a snapshot package [11:07] so I need autotools-dev at least [11:08] <\sh> yes...but u have to put something in the packagename that it is not a final release or stable release or whatever...more to follow after the meeting [11:08] I'll try with autotools-dev but still without automake1.6 [11:08] ok \sh [11:16] putting autotools-dev back brings the pb back... [11:16] and it still requires automake too === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:34] uniq: joining us? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] kdevelop3 | 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu2 | breezy-updates | source, i386 [11:47] kdevelop3 | 4:3.2.3-0ubuntu1 | dapper | source, i386 [11:47] now, shouldn't breezy-updates be always << dapper? [11:48] one would think so jdong [11:48] eh htf did that happen [11:48] arent udpates supposed to be like 1.1 [11:49] i guess no one uploaded the update to dapper at any rate [11:49] umm, yeah it is an issue [11:49] similar problems were causing upgrade issues with mozilla packages, thanks to hoary-security.... [11:49] yeh that was fixed tho werent it [11:49] later via breezy-updates [11:50] though I sort of object to the way that was fixed [11:50] (IMO bumping breezy/main version up would've been wiser) [11:50] since -updates is turned OFF by default [11:50] well your objection si fairly useless [11:50] even breezy == dapper is a concern during upgrading... [11:50] since its already done ;) [11:50] lol, yeah :) [11:50] but just wanted to give a heads-up on -updates [11:51] kubuntu seems to be the heavy users of -updates (not a bad thing, I rather like it) [11:51] but at times it seems like there are packaging concerns [11:51] jdong: uploading to dapper has been waiting on c++ transition [11:51] the libstdc++ transition? [11:51] Riddell: ah, ok [11:52] Lathiat: yes [11:52] raphink: think you could manage that for membership? [11:52] Riddell: what do you mean? [11:52] manage what? [11:52] raphink: one of those meetings :) [11:53] sure I'm reading with great interest :) [11:53] I've just begun my wiki page actually ;) [11:53] yay [11:53] there's not much so far lol [11:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink [11:55] Ichthux? [11:55] raphink: you should list the package you've made [11:55] yes I will [11:56] ichthux is a project I administrate [11:56] it's a bit stalled now [11:56] it's developed as a CDD [11:56] we've got a page on alioth [11:57] raphink: link to the page [11:57] CDD? [11:57] yep [11:57] Custom Debian Distribution [11:58] a set of metapackages to tune Debian (or Ubuntu) fastly into a specilized distro === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:02] Riddell: is that getting better ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink [12:02] ;)