[12:04] <Red-Sox_homework> hi
[12:04] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger ?
[12:05] <varsendagger> hey i want to install something that depends on QT 3 what do i need to install?
[12:05] <varsendagger> Red-Sox_homework, yeah, hopefully someone will know
[12:05] <Red-Sox_homework> lets hope, varsendagger 
[12:05] <Red-Sox_homework> varsendagger, i appreciate your help!
[12:05] <varsendagger> i'll go ask in ubuntu too
[12:05] <Red-Sox_homework> okay
[12:06] <LjL> varsendagger: qt3-dev-tools
[12:06] <LjL> varsendagger: or just kdelibs4-devb
[12:06] <nalioth> Red-Sox_homework: help him out
[12:06] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, with what? he is helping me?
[12:06] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, what are you suggesting?
[12:07] <nalioth> varsendagger: asked about qt3 dev libs, aren't you working with qt3 dev libs?
[12:08] <varsendagger> nalioth, thnks
[12:08] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, yes...he is helping me
[12:08] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, i couldnt figure it out
[12:09] <nalioth> Red-Sox_homework: you installed all those libs the error msg told you about?
[12:09] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, still more error messages
[12:09] <Red-Sox_homework> nalioth, but iv got it now ;)
[12:10] <nalioth> Red-Sox_homework: how many channels are you in? i thought i was in #kubuntu-offtopic talking to you
[12:25] <_john> omg can someone tell me why i cant use adept to update tk?
[12:27] <nalioth> _john: you are using the latest tk version available?
[12:27] <LjL> heh
[12:27] <_john> uhm well i need tk devel 
[12:28] <WX> can someone tell me how to install a ktx serial port external modem please?
[12:28] <_john> it just says error commiting
[12:31] <kkathman> hi hussam :)
[12:31] <kkathman> hey regeya :)
[12:32] <_john> so wtf @ tk devel packages?
[12:33] <nalioth> _john: libtk*-dev
[12:35] <Carstenp> i cant install kubuntu from live dvd, he cant "bind" the cdrom? any idead?
[12:37] <chaoticgeek> the dvd that you can d/l?
[12:37] <chaoticgeek> if so you can install it from that, at the boot up screen for kubntu type 'install'
[12:37] <FreckledP> i'm having troubles with the multiverse dvdrip package.  I have transcode installed, but when dvdrip starts, it complaines that it can't find transcode (or imagemagick).  I looked through the preferences and I don't see a place to specify path to transcode.  Someone give me a hand??
[12:38] <arthurb> Hey, do you know where (if) I can find xorg 6.9/7 RC2 packages  ?
[12:38] <Carstenp> correct, i downloaded the dvd via bittorrent from the offical site, and i tried it on my laptop (this one) in live version, it worked. now i wanted to install from it on a different system
[12:38] <Carstenp> i typed install, chaoticgeek
[12:38] <chaoticgeek> then it should take you into the install process
[12:39] <chaoticgeek> when you first boot up nad you get the screen that says Kubuntu and is right after you restarted the system
[12:39] <Carstenp> chaoticgeek, yeah it did, i could select a language, and a keyboard, but then he couldnt find/mount/sth. the cd-rom
[12:39] <chaoticgeek> oh
[12:40] <Carstenp> i have perhaps a problematic mainboard? asus p4gd1 (1 SATA HD, and 1 PATA Pioneer DVD-ROM)
[12:41] <chaoticgeek> well then I cant help you there, sounds like something is worng w/ kununtu and your cd/dvd drive
[12:41] <Carstenp> perhaps there is some secret boot param to get the ite raid controller activated?
[12:42] <Carstenp> like install -magic_raid_awesomeness ?
[12:42] <Carstenp> i try to live cd the dvd
[12:43] <kkathman> Carstenp: do you have an AMD chip?
[12:44] <kkathman> Carstenp:  If so, you might want to check this thread for info:  http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t10990.html
[12:44] <Carstenp> no, intel p4 2,5 Ghz (socket 478 on an asus p4gd1 with intel sth. chipset 915 i think)
[12:47] <Carstenp> hmm in live modus... Try again to mount the cdrom? i will take a look in the log console
[12:48] <Carstenp> hmmm cdrom-detect: CDROM-mount failed again (error=1): device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0
[12:49] <gupta> HI!(again) , well i installed an app to see a graphical rrepresentation of disk usage.
[12:49] <gupta> But now i have forgotten the name of the app.
[12:50] <nalioth> gupta: xdiskusage?
[12:50] <kkathman> gupta:  would be nice to know :)
[12:50] <nalioth> gupta: discus?
[12:50] <gupta> Don't remember exactly. But thanks i'll try both :)
[12:51] <gupta> Any way to list apps i installed?
[12:51] <LjL> gupta: dpkg -l | grep ii
[12:52] <gupta> Thanks LjL
[12:52] <chaoticgeek> so... hows it going ppl?
[12:52] <LjL> gupta: or dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall
[12:54] <gupta> LjL, that lists many packages. I just want something like gnome's run command. It had a list of apps installed. But i am pretty sure its xdiskusaage
[12:55] <LjL> gupta: i'm not sure, i don't think there is a way to list "apps installed" in the sense I think you mean, as there's not way to distinguish between what you call "apps" and what you'd call "libraries" or "accessory packages"
[01:00] <Carstenp> HA ! HEUREKA !
[01:01] <Carstenp> if anyone else has this problem
[01:01] <Carstenp> my advice : go to your bios , select your ide controler and change the value from "i forgot" enhanced to compatibly
[01:01] <Carstenp> err compatible.
[01:02] <Carstenp> in compatible mode, installation works. it seems more.... errr compatible.
[01:07] <Carstenp> crap, forget what i said. the live cd only works when i change my mainboard ide controller from sata to pata. but when i do that, i dont have a hd anymore :(
[01:09] <Carstenp> but new error message now. "no common cd-rom drive was detected", so the deal is the following, i could install kubuntu if i disable my harddisc. there must be some magic parameter for install
[01:11] <gupta> kkathman: its xdiskusage- prretty cool. Thanks nalioth 
[01:12] <nalioth> gupta: try 'discus', it's a quick and dirty graphical console app for disk usage
[01:13] <gupta> Innstalling now
[01:13] <gupta> Sry, its crappy keyborad
[01:14] <crashprone> Anyone know how to setup MPlayer or other media player I guess to run movies as a plugin in Konqueror browser?
[01:15] <crashprone> The Kaffeine complains about 'alsasink' and then segfaults or whatever.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey nio
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hey Niomi 
[01:23] <nalioth> Niomi: howzit goin?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> crashprone: i know how to in firefox, but not konq, unfortunately
[01:23] <crashprone> Yeah, gotcha.  Working on the idea of trying VLC instead, haven't finished yet.
[01:26] <crashprone> Hm.. sites describing how to install it just say it'll work straight-up, but it never finds the plugins when I tell it to check.
[01:28] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[01:29] <crashprone> hello you
[01:29] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hello
[01:29] <ubotu> hola
[01:29] <chaoticgeek> hello me
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hey chaoticgeek 
[01:31] <chaoticgeek> hows it going?
[01:32] <chaoticgeek> I should read
[01:33] <chaoticgeek> ok, well I'm off to read 
[01:42] <Tm_T> fiu
[01:42] <Tm_T> hussam: hullo
[01:46] <dark_suic> hi
[01:51] <JValdezjr> anyone having problems with amarok- the packaged version?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> JValdezjr: what problems?
[01:53] <JValdezjr> ipod support, crashing when tryign to play mp3s...
[01:54] <_doug> Hi, sorry if im really new but can anyone tell me how to use the apt-get command?  like gentoo's emerge command
[01:55] <Hobbsee> !apt-get
[01:55] <ubotu> from memory, apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[01:55] <_doug> thanks a lot guys ^_^
[01:55] <_doug> just trying to convert from gentoo
[01:55] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:57] <_doug> Mmm another stupid question >.< how do i use super user?  i dont know what the password is, i dont remember entering one....
[01:57] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[01:57] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:57] <Hobbsee> check that page
[02:00] <_doug> Hmm but its not accepting my user password...
[02:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _doug about root
[02:00] <bimberi> _doug: are you trying to use "su"?
[02:00] <_doug> yes...
[02:01] <bimberi> _doug: if so, use "sudo -i" instead
[02:01] <nalioth> _doug: please dont do that
[02:01] <nalioth> _doug: read what ubotu sent you, please
[02:01] <bimberi> _doug: ... with your own password
[02:01] <neoncode> I'm wondering is there any way to play WMV files on linux? This has been buging me for a while now...
[02:01] <_doug> OK.  thanks.
[02:02] <nalioth> neoncode: w32codecs supports some wmv formats in general
[02:02] <neoncode> nalioth: Where can I get the codecs from, and what programs will they work with? like Kaffine?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[02:02] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[02:03] <neoncode> Why are they called "evil"?
[02:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about w32codecs
[02:05] <neoncode> nalioth: Ok so I download  w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i286.deb?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> neoncode: yes
[02:06] <nalioth> neoncode: yes and then use "sudo dpkg -i w32<tab>" from a konsole open to where you d/l them too
[02:06] <neoncode> nalioth and Hobbsee: Thanks, I asked ubotu about .deb files.
[02:07] <_doug> Thanks guys i got the sudo working great ;) apt-get too ^_^ 
[02:07] <neoncode> nalioth: Once it's installed how do use it?
[02:07] <nalioth> neoncode: open your favorite media player and put something evil in it
[02:08] <neoncode> nalioth: Oh I get it! Evil because it's a microsoft format, right?
[02:09] <nalioth> neoncode: you got it!
[02:09] <neoncode> nalioth: ^-^
[02:09] <Hobbsee> well, not an open one that everyone can use :P
[02:09] <neoncode> Ahh it finished downloading, wait while i switch virtual desktops to install this. I have a konsole on the other one...
[02:10] <nalioth> neoncode: no no. use any terminal
[02:10] <_doug> Some other question ive got: does anyone know a website comprable to gentoo's www.gentoo-portage.com which lists all the stuff you can get from apt-get?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:10] <nalioth> neoncode: this is #kubuntu so i default to saying "konsole", but any terminal will work
[02:10] <Hobbsee> or adept, which is already on yoru computer
[02:10] <Hobbsee> or synaptic
[02:11] <_doug> fantastic... what is this 'breezy' 'warty' 'hoary' and whatnot mean.. .>.<
[02:11] <neoncode> nalioth: I just use Konsole, nothing wrong with it?
[02:11] <nalioth> neoncode: it's fine. any terminal emulator is fine
[02:13] <neoncode> Uhh... I got "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
[02:13] <bimberi> _doug: they are releases of ubuntu, check what you have with "lsb_release -a" in a terminal
[02:13] <nalioth> neoncode: close adept/kynaptic/synaptic, etc
[02:14] <nalioth> neoncode: only one apt process can run at a time
[02:14] <_doug> Very cool.  ^_^ breezy badger release :D i think i like ubuntu :D
[02:14] <neoncode> nalioth: Oh yes, I forgot I have synaptic open somewhare
[02:14] <neoncode> nalioth: Ahh, lovley
[02:15] <neoncode> nalioth: Nope, kaffine still won't play it properly. But doesn't kaffine use Gstreamer?
[02:16] <nalioth> neoncode: you can choose in it's prefs what you want it to use
[02:17] <neoncode> nalioth: ...Where?
[02:18] <nalioth> neoncode: the kaffeine prefs
[02:18] <nalioth> or is it amarok i'm thinking of
[02:18] <neoncode> nalioth: I dunno, hold on
[02:19] <gupta> Anybody using docker with success? For me it just opens a 'console like' window with minimize and close buttons
[02:20] <neoncode> nalioth: Nope... Under the "engine" settings in amaorK there is only gstreamer...
[02:21] <richard> Dapper Drake a bit disappointment still. .. . 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> richard: what makes you say that?  
[02:22] <Hobbsee> lol ok then
[02:23] <nalioth> neoncode: i suspect if you open a wmv, it will work (if it's a supported wmv)
[02:24] <neoncode> How do I know if it's supported? The ones I want to play will not play.
[02:25] <_doug> Hi, im trying to get an application from apt-get.. i found it on the website: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/xcompmgr.  However, i cant figure out how to apt-get it.. i tried apt-get intstall xcompmgr and it didnt work...
[02:27] <bimberi> _doug: you probably need to add the universe repository ...
[02:27] <bimberi> ubotu tell _doug about repos
[02:28] <neoncode> What about this "MPlayer" is that nay good?
[02:28] <_doug> i think VLC is a good open source video player...
[02:28] <neoncode> _doug: I don't evan know what that is
[02:29] <_doug> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[02:29] <nalioth> _doug: it's in the repos
[02:29] <_doug> i dont know what repos is :(
[02:30] <gupta> Try this _doug http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#toc
[02:30] <neoncode> Will a red hat RPM work with kubuntu?
[02:31] <gupta> neoncode: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#swmgmt
[02:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _doug about repos
[02:33] <nalioth> gupta: what is that?
[02:33] <nalioth> neoncode: most everything you need is in the repositories
[02:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode bout repos
[02:34] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about repos
[02:34] <neoncode> Should I enable the multiverse ones? I have universe ones.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, them too
[02:35] <nalioth> neoncode: yes multiverse
[02:35] <neoncode> how do I turn them on?
[02:36] <neoncode> And what's with the words with a "!" in front of them?
[02:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about yourself
[02:41] <neoncode> Hmm, How can I get "MPlayer" it's not on any of the reposotorys
[02:42] <bimberi> neoncode: it's in the multiverse repository
[02:43] <neoncode> bimberi: I enabled the multiverse useing adept but a search for "mplayer" turned up nothing it boath adept and synaptic
[02:44] <bimberi> neoncode: put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:45] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about mplayer
[02:45] <nalioth> bimberi: nobody ever gets it, mplayer is NOT in the repos. mplayer-586 IS in the repos
[02:46] <neoncode> bimberi: Ohhh, for gods... I forgot to apply the changes. hold on lemme try.
[02:46] <nalioth> bimberi: neoncode's sources is ok
[02:46] <bimberi> nalioth: yeah i know, i know :P, although a search in a package manager should still find them
[02:46] <nalioth> neoncode: have a pebkac error?
[02:47] <bimberi> ... unless the repos haen't been updated :P
[02:47] <bimberi> *haven't
[02:48] <nalioth> bimberi: everyone has this problem
[02:48] <neoncode> nalioth:  pabkac?
[02:48] <neoncode> pebkac rather.
[02:48] <neoncode> Ohh, I asked ubotu.
[02:48] <bimberi> nalioth: indeed
[02:49] <nalioth> that bot has entirely too much information
[02:49] <bimberi> !hug
[02:49] <ubotu> ubotu gives bimberi a hug.  There, there, is that better?
[02:49] <bimberi> :P
[02:49] <neoncode> !hug
[02:50] <neoncode> Cool...ish...
[02:50] <bimberi> ubotu can't hug very frequently - in the channel anyway :)
[02:50] <ubotu> bimberi: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:50] <neoncode> !hug
[02:50] <ubotu> ubotu gives neoncode a hug.  There, there, is that better?
[02:50] <neoncode> Ahh lovley
[02:51] <neoncode> Nice and warm, witch is a change...
[02:53] <neoncode> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:53] <neoncode> uh-oh, apt-get gave a tone of errors and said that
[02:54] <neoncode> So I ran "sudo apt-get update", naturaly.
[02:56] <neoncode> apt-get carn't find "mplayer-586"
[02:57] <nalioth> neoncode: now can you paste your sources.list to a pastebin?
[02:57] <nalioth> !paste
[02:57] <ubotu> it has been said that paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[02:57] <nalioth> robotgeek: howdy
[02:58] <robotgeek> nalioth: doing good. been in front of the computer for about 13 hours
[02:58] <nalioth> robotgeek: you can get a safer sun tan outside
[02:59] <robotgeek> nalioth: heh, was trying to finish my univ work
[02:59] <neoncode> nalioth: Where is my soruces list?
[03:00] <nalioth> neoncode: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:01] <neoncode> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4846
[03:06] <bimberi> neoncode: add " multiverse" to the end of lines 19, 20, 35, 36
[03:07] <neoncode> ok done
[03:08] <bimberi> neoncode: update and try again
[03:08] <neoncode> bimberi: I ran "sudo apt-get update" right?
[03:08] <nalioth> correct
[03:08] <neoncode> and then "sudo apt-get install mplayer-586" and YAY! It works!
[03:09] <bimberi> enjoy! :)
[03:09] <neoncode> who came up with this whole "universe" and "multiverse" thing anyway?
[03:10] <nalioth> neoncode: same people that came up with 'colony' and 'flight' as code names for pre-release test builds
[03:11] <neoncode> nalioth: I did not know they were called that... Oh well, universe and multiverse are cool names
[03:12] <neoncode> bimberi & nalioth: yay! they work! it will play the wmv files! w00t!
[03:13] <neoncode> away going to get a sandwich
[03:13] <neoncode> wiat
[03:35] <beef_sprocket> so the keyboard on my laptop is totally frozen when in X
[03:36] <beef_sprocket> I've checked this thread but to no avail: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19432&highlight=keyboard+lock
[03:36] <jsubl2> bummer must make it hard to type.
[03:36] <jsubl2> what kink of laptop
[03:36] <beef_sprocket> asus m6bne
[03:36] <beef_sprocket> just happened today for the first time coming out of hibernate
[03:36] <jsubl2> some of the laptops have a bios setting where you can disable legacy usb stuff
[03:36] <beef_sprocket> thought rebooting would help, didn't
[03:37] <beef_sprocket> I haven't touched the bios for a few months
[03:37] <beef_sprocket> thinking it could be an upgraded package
[03:37] <jsubl2> it is the onlything i can think of
[03:37] <jsubl2> breezy right.
[03:37] <beef_sprocket> but last time I upgraded was a few days ago to 3.5
[03:37] <beef_sprocket> indeed
[03:37] <jsubl2> oh and it worked before the update
[03:38] <beef_sprocket> and after
[03:38] <beef_sprocket> that was a few days and reboots ago
[03:38] <jsubl2> so hib.. crashed you heh.
[03:38] <beef_sprocket> nope, I hibernated earlier today without a problem
[03:39] <jsubl2> sorry goto go.  no idea how to help you
[03:39] <beef_sprocket> no worrie
[03:39] <beef_sprocket> thanks though
[03:45] <joserafael> hello from caracas - venezuela
[03:45] <neoncode> Hey I have firefox 1.5 RC3 installed in /opt/firefox and i'm trying to creat symbolic links in the folder "/opt/firefox/plugins" to all the files in "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins". But the command "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/*" Won't work....
[03:46] <neoncode> Oh wait... it works now
[03:46] <neoncode> "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/* ."
[03:48] <arthurb> Hum, after I booted all my device icons disappeared from the deskop... I tried setting them back but they won't show up
[03:48] <nalioth> neoncode: you should ask first.
[03:49] <neoncode> nalioth: What?
[03:49] <nalioth> neoncode: all gecko browsers parse /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (so all plugins for mozilla, galeon, kazehakase, firefox, and epiphany should go into that directory)
[03:50] <nalioth> neoncode: keeps you from symlinking 5 times, or having 5 sets of plugins
[03:50] <kkathman> kaze-whatski?
[03:50] <nalioth> !info kazehakase
[03:50] <ubotu> kazehakase: (gecko based web browser using GTK), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 0.2.8-1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 614 kB, Installed size: 1656 kB
[03:50] <kkathman> jk
[03:50] <neoncode> nalioth: Oooo... well that's me. a newbie..
[03:52] <neoncode> Oh does libflash-mozplugin.so have a ".xpt" file?
[03:52] <takmadeus> greetings
[03:52] <takmadeus> sorry for being so direct, but I have a question
[03:53] <takmadeus> are the repositories down?.... no matter what I do I cannot get anything from aptitude or synaptic
[03:54] <neoncode> takmadeus: sudo apt-get update works fine for me...
[03:55] <takmadeus> neoncode: hmmmmm mine is stuck at "waiting for headers (30%)"
[03:57] <neoncode> takmadeus: I take it your IRC chat is on the linux computer?
[03:58] <takmadeus> neoncode: yes
[03:58] <neoncode> Hmmm sources.list problem prehaps? anyone have any ideas?
[03:58] <fatejudger> can anyone use the Bank of America website with Konq?
[03:58] <fatejudger> it says I don't have 128 bit encryption
[03:59] <kkathman> fatejudger: no I cannot either
[03:59] <nalioth> fatejudger: i'm not sure what to tell you. mozilla-psm covers all the gecko browsers in the security dept
[04:00] <kkathman> fatejudger: firefox and opera both work however
[04:00] <takmadeus> neoncode: hmmm nope, no sources.list problem
[04:00] <takmadeus> I could actually get some files today afternoon
[04:01] <neoncode> takmadeus: Uhhh, I have no idea, i'm pretty much a newb ya see. Oh well i'm yawing. I need to be up in 5 hours. and my feet are numb from the cold. i'm going to bed...
[04:02] <takmadeus> neoncode: okay, thanks man
[04:03] <chaoticgeek> arg
[04:03] <chaoticgeek> I screwed up kubuntu
[04:03] <neoncode> takmadeus: I dunno what for but ok, ask some of the others around here. They might know. If all else fails sit down and poke it with a stick...
[04:03] <chaoticgeek> so I reinstalled
[04:06] <chaoticgeek> but it was my fault, at least under linux I have to screw it up unlike windows
[04:07] <takmadeus> does anyone here has any idea on what's hapenning to me?
[04:08] <takmadeus> got an update: "W: failed to retrieve http://co.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/......, temporary failure when resolving "co.archive.ubuntu.com""
[04:09] <nalioth> takmadeus: are you familiar with the 'hosts' file?
[04:10] <takmadeus> nalioth: nope
[04:11] <nalioth> takmadeus: open a konsole, please
[04:12] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:12] <nalioth> takmadeus: now type "sudo nano /etc/hosts" <enter>
[04:13] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:14] <nalioth> takmadeus: now use your arrow keys to go to the bottom of the document
[04:14] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:14] <realjimshady> hi, i'm running kubuntu breezy and running ifconfig as well as gui net-tools always shows my eth0 interface's zeroconf address (169...) instead of the 192.168... LAN address also bound to that interface.  ifconfig -a doesn't work either.  short of disabling zeroconf altogether, any way to display all addresses?  thanks
[04:15] <nalioth> takmadeus: type    #my local ubuntu archive  <enter>
[04:15] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:16] <nalioth> takmadeus: then next line put "co.archive.ubuntu.com    82.211.81.151     82.211.81.182"    <<<< all on one line
[04:16] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:17] <nalioth> takmadeus: now ctrl-o <enter>, and ctrl-x to quit
[04:18] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:18] <nalioth> takmadeus: try your adept stuff now
[04:19] <fatejudger> kkathman: I just used Firefox
[04:19] <takmadeus> nalioth: same thing hapenning.... which is weird, since I could get some files in the afternoon
[04:19] <fatejudger> kkathman: is it just that Konq doesn't support 128 bit encryption or is it that it doesn't detect it?
[04:20] <nalioth> takmadeus: hit alt-f2, and enter "kdesu kate /etc/hosts"
[04:21] <takmadeus> nothing happened when I pressed alt + F2, I disabled the other terminals
[04:21] <nalioth> gah...
[04:21] <nalioth> ok. k > run command > kdesu kate /etc/hosts
[04:22] <takmadeus> nailoth: done
[04:22] <nalioth> takmadeus: if you type na<tab> you'll get me everytime
[04:23] <takmadeus> nalioth: thanks for the advice ;)
[04:23] <nalioth> takmadeus: in the kate, remove the 82.211.81.151  from the line at the bottom
[04:23] <takmadeus> nalioth: done
[04:23] <nalioth> takmadeus: save it and try your adept again
[04:26] <takmadeus> nalioth: I think I need to reboot my pc... wait a moemtn please
[04:26] <jrobinson> Is anyone successully using KLaptop with a Toshiba laptop?
[04:37] <arthurb> Hi, I have a trouble with my deskop, the device icons of umounted devices are not showin up
[04:39] <realjimshady> arthur: you mean the icons don't show up when the devices aren't mounted?  what devices?
[04:43] <arthurb> all of them
[04:43] <arthurb> hard drive, usb key, cdrom drive
[04:43] <arthurb> they used to
[04:43] <arthurb> now they don't
[04:56] <[Relic] > is there a url that details how to upgrade to breezy, since this would be the first time I tried it?
[04:57] <arthurb> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2breezy
[04:58] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell [Relic]  about breezy
[05:01] <arthurb> hey, when I select Gtk in look n feel to configure it, it waits waits and finally does nothing
[05:01] <arthurb> nothing is launched,
[05:02] <Hobbsee> does the same thing happen in kcontrol?
[05:03] <arthurb> wait
[05:03] <arthurb> no
[05:03] <arthurb> it works fine there
[05:03] <arthurb> well it works and doesn't cause it says gtk should use my kde fonts, and it sure ain't
[05:04] <arthurb> gimp still looks awful with huge fonts
[05:05] <arthurb> oh interestingly enough, if I set to use the style qt it works... but not if I ask to use my kde style
[05:08] <jasutton> hey arthurb
[05:08] <jasutton> I've found those controls in kcontrol don't do a whole lot
[05:08] <jasutton> you might try the package 'gtk-chtheme'
[05:08] <jasutton> it works very nicely for configuring gtk apps
[05:10] <[Relic] > so if I am reading that correctly I simply replace hoary with breezy in the sources.list file?
[05:10] <jasutton> that's the general idea
[05:12] <arthurb> no but now it works great
[05:13] <arthurb> I just can't launch it from the kubuntu made system setting
[05:13] <[Relic] > do I have to shut everything down?
[05:13] <arthurb> and also I still have those devices that won't show up on the destop
[05:15] <nalioth> [Relic] : nope, you can stay here all the while
[05:15] <nalioth> [Relic] : it is recommended you restart when it's totally done, tho
[05:16] <[Relic] > not a problem there :)
[05:16] <[Relic] > now just to wait  :)
[05:17] <Delvien> Are servers down ??
[05:39] <garux> hello all...
[05:40] <garux> im have a question about wireless nic cards and kubuntu
[05:40] <garux> i was wondering if anyone could help me sort out if i can run it or not
[05:41] <robotgeek> garux: did you check the wiki?
[05:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell garux about wireless
[05:41] <garux> yes, i did.
[05:42] <nalioth> garux: hopefully you found your wifi thing on it
[05:42] <garux> im rather new to linux, and the NDSWrapper stuff kinda went over my head
[05:42] <garux> i understand the concept, but i dont think i could actually pull it off.
[05:42] <garux> my only way to connect with that machine is with a wireless card
[05:43] <jasutton> what kind of wireless card is it?
[05:43] <garux> i have a belkin 54g and a microsoft MN-520
[05:43] <garux> the MN-520 works straight away in fedora 4
[05:44] <nalioth> garux: what is in the machine now?
[05:44] <garux> the MN-520
[05:44] <nalioth> did you find it on the wiki page?
[05:45] <garux> nothing referencing that card itself
[05:45] <garux> other than generic NDIS wrapping.
[05:45] <nalioth> garux: do you have the driver disk for it?
[05:45] <robotgeek> garux: sudo modprobe prism54
[05:46] <nalioth> ah there ya go, robotgeek to the rescue
[05:46] <robotgeek> garux: no, scratch that
[05:46] <robotgeek> garux: sudo modprobe prism2
[05:47] <garux> the prism2 drivers are in the install
[05:47] <garux> but they didnt pick it up
[05:47] <garux> would i have to install it blank and the do it after?
[05:47] <garux> and agian im new to linux, so a lot of the command line stuff really goes over my head
[05:47] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, sorry..i'll go a bit slower :)
[05:47] <garux> and as far as i know
[05:47] <garux> the win drivers i would have would be for xp
[05:48] <nalioth> garux: please open a terminal (k > run command > konsole)
[05:48] <garux> ahh.. and theres the next kicker
[05:48] <garux> i didnt finsih the install, because without the card i didnt want to run it
[05:48] <nalioth> uh oh
[05:48] <garux> my house is entirely wireless 
[05:49] <garux> so i cant really do much with it after the install
[05:49] <garux> i originally installed ubuntu
[05:49] <robotgeek> garux: it should work, the drivers are in the kernel. i've got a usb version of the same thing working, so 
[05:49] <robotgeek> garux: i'll definetly be able to help you get your wireless working :)
[05:49] <garux> i could always just run the install again and check back in
[05:50] <nalioth> garux: you can get with us from another machine, right?
[05:50] <Delvien> I want to change the Icons that are in the System tray (klaptop, SuperKaramaba, Kmixer etc.) WHERE are those icons stored???? so i may change them
[05:50] <garux> yes on this machine im on now
[05:50] <garux> its a ---windoze--- but dont hold that against me
[05:50] <garux> im learning...
[05:50] <robotgeek> Delvien: maybe /usr/share/pixmaps/
[05:50] <nalioth> Delvien: /usr/share/icons/
[05:50] <garux> i appreciate your help robot
[05:50] <nalioth> Delvien: either place may hold them
[05:51] <robotgeek> garux: sure
[05:51] <Delvien> nalioth  hmm ok.
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[05:51] <garux> if it it matters at all.. i was born on the Isle of Man
[05:51] <garux> which is home to canonical
[05:51] <robotgeek> heh
[05:51] <garux> hence my want to use kubuntu
[05:51] <nalioth> garux: it's all personal preference
[05:51] <robotgeek> i was wondering why it sounded familiar!
[05:51] <garux> fedora 4 is fine, but ive had problems
[05:51] <Delvien> nalioth if im using a custom icon theme, does the systray go off of default.kde??
[05:52] <garux> im not a militant user of anything
[05:52] <nalioth> Delvien: if your icon theme is well thought out, it should replace all of them
[05:52] <garux> i just want to expand into being able to use linux 
[05:52] <Delvien> nalioth well its not mine, its Umicons 2.0.. So didnt change the sysicons.. which i want to now.
[05:52] <garux> robot.. before i start this install
[05:53] <garux> do i just install and not worry about the wireless card till afterwards?
[05:53] <nalioth> Delvien: in general, a "good" icon theme will take care of all the icons
[05:53] <Delvien> nalioth aye.. lol thats why i want to fix it
[05:53] <robotgeek> garux: if you have any other machine to get to the net other than this one, that would be fine
[05:53] <nalioth> Delvien: either directory may have them
[05:54] <Delvien> nalioth ugh
[05:54] <Delvien> nalioth lots of searching to do .. :) yay
[05:54] <garux> this isnt the one ill be installing
[05:54] <garux> im using an older sony laptop
[05:54] <garux> for linux
[05:55] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, it shud be cool
[05:55] <garux> it runs fedora 4 fine
[05:55] <garux> i had a nice time learning on that
[05:55] <garux> got the basics of installing apps and dependcies down
[05:55] <garux> enough to know that i prefer KDE to Gnome
[05:55] <robotgeek> once u use a debian based system, you ain't gonna go redhat's way!
[05:56] <garux> i just picked at random from the top 5 of the ones people had told me to use
[05:57] <robotgeek> garux: trust me on that one :)
[05:57] <garux> is kubuntu debian based?
[05:58] <robotgeek> garux: yes, kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde
[05:59] <garux> robot,, would it make sense tht if the redhat cd had the drives for the card
[05:59] <robotgeek> garux: so has ubuntu
[05:59] <garux> I could use the Load-Iso to make it work?
[06:00] <garux> im doing the install going through the steps, i chose Expert just to see the different areas
[06:00] <robotgeek> garux: load iso? install cd, u mean?
[06:00] <nalioth> garux: *buntu is all the same under the hood, just like the car makers put a different front end on the same model and call it different brands
[06:00] <garux> yes..
[06:00] <nalioth> garux: matter of fact, i have x/k/ubuntu on my box right now
[06:01] <garux> the option in the buntu menu, is Load-Iso: load installer components from an installer disk
[06:01] <robotgeek> garux: yeah, the install cd is fine. plus, if it worked in fedora out of the box, hopfully it should work in ubuntu too
[06:01] <robotgeek> out of the box, i meant
[06:01] <garux> in fedora i didnt have to do anything with it. the card showed up as eth0  - it didnt for the install of ubuntu
[06:02] <garux> i may be just thinking too much
[06:02] <nalioth> garux: does centrino mean anything to you re the ubuntu box?
[06:02] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, interesting. 
[06:03] <garux> its not a centrino processor
[06:03] <robotgeek> nalioth: my friend has a centrino running ubuntu. he claims it works much better on ubuntu than on windows
[06:03] <nalioth> man i'm gonna be quiet now, i am gettin way too tired
[06:03] <garux> im at the Find Network devices 
[06:03] <nalioth> robotgeek: my hp dv1000 is centrino and it all works ootb
[06:03] <garux> it didnt find the card, but its telling me it found a firewire card, and i dont have a firewire card
[06:03] <nalioth> i'm'a gon' be quiet now
[06:04] <nalioth> garux: open a konsole and we'll see
[06:04] <garux> im not done the install yet
[06:04] <nalioth> n/m you're installing
[06:04] <nalioth> blah
[06:04] <nalioth> lspci
[06:04] <robotgeek> garux: just go ahead with the install, we'll take care of the wireless later
[06:04] <garux> ok 
[06:05] <garux> should i setup the disks using a boot, root, tmp and swap setup?
[06:06] <garux> thats what i was advised for running fedora
[06:06] <robotgeek> garux: definetly keep a /home
[06:06] <robotgeek> and /boot is of 100mb is good too
[06:06] <robotgeek> swap and root are needed, normally
[06:06] <garux> well by root i mean the "/" name
[06:07] <nalioth> garux: i think you are thinking too deeply into this process
[06:07] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, yes
[06:07] <garux> yeah
[06:07] <garux> i am
[06:07] <robotgeek> garux: just choose the guided partioning :)
[06:07] <garux> aight
[06:10] <nalioth> student: may i help you in here?
[06:19] <Delvien> Anyone here able to change their System Tray Icons ? if so i need some help
[06:20] <kkathman> Delvien: what are you looking to do?
[06:21] <Delvien> kkathman change the icons for klaptop, superkaramba, klipper, kbluetoothD etc..
[06:21] <Delvien> that lie in the system tray 
[06:22] <nalioth> kkathman: Delvien got a half-a$$ theme that didnt replace all the icons
[06:22] <kkathman> ahh
[06:22] <Delvien> nalioth its the only one that has GANT icons for KDE ..
[06:23] <kkathman> well, you can go to the application and change the icon in its properties, then it should start that in the system tray
[06:23] <robotgeek> Delvien: just copy that icon from that theme to your default theme?
[06:23] <Delvien> tried that robot.. some of the icons are hidden deep
[06:24] <robotgeek> Delvien: ls -alR | grep gant,  i guess
[06:24] <Delvien> ? what does that too
[06:24] <Delvien> do ?
[06:25] <robotgeek> Delvien: navigate to the place where you suspect the file is, then it will do a recursive listing of files, and grep it to show you the path to gant icon :)
[06:26] <Delvien> replace gant with name of the app?
[06:28] <robotgeek> Delvien: yup
[06:30] <Delvien> shows nothing when i do that..
[06:30] <Delvien> ls -alR | grep kbluetoothd
[06:30] <robotgeek> Delvien: it may be named as something else, maybe
[06:31] <[Relic] > wheee!  update 738   :)
[06:31] <[Relic] > of about 1240 I think  :)
[06:33] <Delvien> hehe its complicated...
[06:33] <Delvien> the sys tray doesnt bother me... but i figure will give me something to do..
[06:34] <Delvien> ok , good night all thanks for your help
[06:34] <gazihan> where is the necessary list of repositories for kubuntu listed? It is so hard to find them in the website(why?)
[06:35] <nalioth> !sources
[06:35] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:35] <gazihan> but why
[06:35] <gazihan> why doesnt tho official kubuntu page have these?
[06:35] <kkathman> gazihan: they are thers, but neatly placed in their correct place
[06:36] <gazihan> i can't find them
[06:36] <kkathman> nalioth: gave you the link
[06:37] <gazihan> plus, I got the repository for KDE 3.4.1 from some webpage I don't remember. it is http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ blah blah
[06:38] <gazihan> I think I read it in anouncements or something in kubuntu website. but i see no mention of it in the site elsewhere
[06:38] <kkathman> gazihan: if you went to the website and the wiki for ubuntu (on the web site) there are all kinds of pages for repositories
[06:38] <nalioth> gazihan: kubuntu.org has many advanced repositories
[06:39] <gazihan> ok i will do my best to find a neat list of these in the wiki. if not I'll bug you again.
[06:40] <kkathman> gazihan: try this:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[06:41] <kkathman> that will give you a full list of repos, plus very good instructions
[06:41] <garux> small quesiton on the kernel
[06:42] <garux> i should use the 2.6.12-9 version yeah?
[06:42] <robotgeek> we are all ears
[06:42] <robotgeek> yup
[06:42] <garux> ok thanks.
[06:44] <kkathman> yes
[06:44] <gazihan> kkathman: still, that's for breezy, and not all the reps are listed (like the one I mentioned before)
[06:46] <gazihan> anyway I guess I need to live with checking the news occasionally ond when new kde releases come out add them to my repository.
[06:46] <kkathman> gazihan: those listed are the only official repos
[06:46] <nalioth> gazihan: visit kubuntu.org (there are may repos for highly advanced and experimental repos
[06:47] <kkathman> gazihan: I would suggest that you simply use Kontact or a similar app to manage your KDE news as I do, or even better, stay tuned here for the quickest off the press news :)
[06:48] <gazihan> kkathman: so if I had waited in the official hoary instead of adding the rep for kde 3.4.2, I would have gotten that someday you say?
[06:48] <gazihan> nalioth: that's my point. may repositories around and its so hard to keep track since thay are scattered like that
[06:49] <gazihan> nalioth: may=many
[06:49] <kkathman> gazihan: yes, as in breezy you would have been upgraded to 3.4.3 as I was
[06:49] <kkathman> and of course you can "try" any of the RCs for 3.5 as mentioned in the channel topic.
[06:50] <gazihan> kkathman: ok so these special new ones are kind of "experimental"
[06:50] <gazihan> oh RC
[06:50] <gazihan> ok
[06:50] <kkathman> yah...hence RCX
[06:50] <kkathman> oops
[06:50] <kkathman> RC = Release Candidate
[06:52] <gazihan> kkathman: do you have occasional problems on breezy? I used to have package dependancy errors in debian unstable since they wouldn't always update the tree consistantly and I would wait for a couple of days for an absent new package to be synchronized with the rep tree
[06:53] <gazihan> kkathman: that's why i'm on hoary. is breezy less stable?
[06:53] <garux> is grub or lilo preferred?
[06:53] <gazihan> kkathman: i mean it should, but as a user do you complain?
[06:54] <robotgeek> garux: get grub
[06:54] <kkathman> gazihan: I have an extremely stable install...I upgraded from hoary, which was also very stable
[06:54] <kkathman> gazihan: however, I only have a couple of "non-standard" programs that I compile and use outside the repos.
[06:54] <gazihan> kkathman: that's good to hear. amarok 1.3 is too tempting maybe I should switch
[06:55] <robotgeek> gazihan: it's pretty neat :)
[06:55] <gazihan> kkathman: but you would have to compile them the same way in hoary too?
[06:55] <gazihan> robotgeek: ok I guess I'll switch:)
[06:55] <kkathman> gazihan: yes you would...and I will caveat my statement in saying that I dont do any sound/video, cuz I have WIndows workstations for all that
[06:55] <robotgeek> gazihan: i started using kde apps cause of amarok :)
[06:55] <garux> is having grub
[06:57] <gazihan> robotgeek: yeah it's really amazing
[06:58] <robotgeek> gazihan: it's awesome :)
[06:58] <garux> so while im waiting for this to finish.
[06:58] <garux> im not sure about recompile.
[06:58] <robotgeek> recompile?
[06:58] <garux> is that essentially a parallel to windows re-install
[06:58] <garux> i understand the kernel aspect.
[06:58] <robotgeek> garux: you don't need to recompile anything
[06:59] <garux> but not towards applications themselves
[06:59] <garux> i got a few messages in fedora to that regard.
[06:59] <gazihan> garux: you get them as binaries in ubuntu
[06:59] <garux> im dont really want to do it. just want to understand what it means on the basic level.
[06:59] <robotgeek> garux: you mostly never need to recompile your kernel in ubuntu. apps, maybe if your needs are specific
[06:59] <garux> ok...
[06:59] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, say in the default kernel you don't have a kernel module. say wireless support is turned off.
[07:00] <robotgeek> garux: you would need to download sources, enable wireless support and recompile
[07:00] <garux> you have to go back and add that definition
[07:00] <robotgeek> garux: exactly
[07:00] <garux> i get that for the kernel
[07:00] <gazihan> actually I like to have my own kernel all the time
[07:00] <garux> its the same thing in windows when you add a service or branch
[07:00] <garux> just not as involved
[07:00] <gazihan> garux: not really
[07:01] <robotgeek> garux: no, in windows you don't have choice over what to put in. in linux, you have
[07:01] <garux> i need to do more reading about how linux works
[07:01] <robotgeek> garux: one step at a time :)
[07:01] <garux> you do in a sense via the registry.
[07:01] <garux> but not into the lower levels.
[07:01] <robotgeek> garux: oh, registry is a totally different ball game
[07:01] <gazihan> garux: source --compilation--> binary executable
[07:02] <gazihan> garux: you never have the sources in windows
[07:02] <garux> yah because they dumbed it down
[07:02] <gazihan> garux: source is what programmers actually write
[07:02] <robotgeek> garux: ah, no. 
[07:02] <garux> could you imagine the hell of explaining configure, make, make install to the majority of windows users?
[07:02] <garux> they compile it to an executable
[07:03] <gazihan> configure, make, make install = compilation
[07:03] <gazihan> you never have that in windows
[07:03] <garux> its the same oranges but with different apples
[07:03] <robotgeek> garux: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm makes good reading
[07:03] <[Relic] > I am guess that if Idon't know what NFS is I am probably not running it?
[07:03] <garux> im just thinking out loud
[07:03] <garux> sorry about that..
[07:03] <robotgeek> [Relic] : yup
[07:03] <gazihan> yes you probably don't have it
[07:04] <garux> LOL
[07:04] <gazihan> garux: by compiling your kernel you decide what your operating system will ever support 
[07:04] <garux> i havent figured out nfs - but i got samba running
[07:05] <gazihan> garux: you can cut some off to make it more efficient
[07:05] <garux> ahh ok.. tuning the engine
[07:05] <robotgeek> gazihan: tho, with modules..that advantage is minimal
[07:05] <gazihan> that's right
[07:05] <garux> in theory you are supposed to be able to do that in windoze
[07:05] <garux> but god knows why you would want to
[07:05] <robotgeek> garux: *theory*
[07:06] <garux> much of windoze is theory
[07:06] <[Relic] > I thought it was bugs
[07:06] <garux> i learned windoze on NT3.5
[07:06] <garux> very much a theory in running that.
[07:06] <garux> i couldnt go totally off windows
[07:07] <[Relic] > sure you could  :)
[07:07] <garux> im a graphic designer, and i live in photoshop and illustrator
[07:07] <robotgeek> i don't need windows to chat, browse or check email :)
[07:07] <garux> i wont bash gimp
[07:07] <garux> but it just wont do the job
[07:07] <garux> and i dont use macs, because my father is in MSDN
[07:07] <gazihan> gimp actually in not bad, but yeah photoshop is superior
[07:07] <garux> so all the win stuff is free (in a sense)
[07:08] <garux> he writes it off, and i get lots of useless disks of stuff id never install
[07:08] <robotgeek> i used to use OS X, but i just use linux now
[07:08] <garux> but just about everything MS releases and pre-leases goes through his particular channel
[07:08] <garux> OS X is fine 
[07:08] <garux> i like it
[07:08] <garux> but windows is more flexible overall 
[07:09] <garux> for me at least.
[07:09] <robotgeek> garux: depends on your viewpoint :)
[07:09] <garux> yeah i know...
[07:09] <garux> and its also cost.
[07:09] <robotgeek> garux: i find it inflexible, tho i won't talk abt it here. it's offtopic :)
[07:09] <garux> but.. when and maybe when. adobe ports to linux.. ill be there
[07:10] <robotgeek> garux: it's inevitable. All your base is belong to us. lol
[07:11] <garux> honestly... 
[07:11] <garux> 2 thigns i have noticed about linux, that will prevent in going mass use
[07:11] <garux> is the SU issue.
[07:11] <garux> and the tracking and installing of applications
[07:11] <robotgeek> garux: apt-get install works just fine :)
[07:12] <garux> the average user would never put up with that.
[07:12] <garux> oh not for me...
[07:12] <robotgeek> garux: there are efforts to "improve" on that front
[07:12] <garux> but in some cases having to use a tarball. or an rpm or... or...
[07:12] <garux> its definitely not difficult to figure out
[07:13] <arthurb> Hi, if I point konq to media:/ I see nothing
[07:13] <robotgeek> garux: you would know how i feel if you read the link which i gave you :)
[07:13] <garux> but theres a reason that "standard" transmissions" dont come STANDARD anymore
[07:13] <arthurb> I used to see the hardrives and the like ..
[07:14] <garux> unfortunately - i dont use irc that much
[07:14] <garux> so im actually using Azureus as my chat client
[07:14] <garux> i have no easy way of copying text
[07:15] <robotgeek> garux: selecting the text will copy it, i think. middle click to paste
[07:16] <garux> actually Ctrl - X did it
[07:16] <garux> im kinda tired 
[07:16] <garux> was it this link?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[07:16] <garux> or another one... that i missed
[07:16] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, nope. http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm it's titled, linux is not windows :)
[07:17] <garux> found it
[07:18] <garux> did u write this?
[07:18] <robotgeek> garux: nope
[07:18] <garux> i agree with the novice computer user..
[07:19] <garux> i was totally linux's bitch for a day
[07:19] <garux> im still under its thumb
[07:19] <robotgeek> heh
[07:19] <garux> but im getting the grasp of the basics
[07:19] <nalioth> garux: there is plenty to learn here
[07:19] <robotgeek> garux: after a while, it gets you :)
[07:19] <garux> i dont think anyone should be called an expert in windows
[07:19] <nalioth> we can show you things
[07:19] <nalioth> i am an expert in windows, and get more expert every year
[07:20] <robotgeek> i totally would be uncomfortable using windows!
[07:20] <garux> ive met more useless MCSE in my time than i have good ones
[07:20] <[Relic] > :)
[07:20] <robotgeek> nalioth: same here, i join you in your salvation :)
[07:20] <garux> my first job in networking, i was hired into a unix/linux dev group.
[07:21] <garux> i was in school for mcse at the time, and he told me not to bother with the certs because he was going to hire me anyway
[07:21] <garux> so i never bothered wasting my money
[07:21] <noirequus> bbl
[07:22] <garux> the irony was i never got anytime to work on linux, because i was always fixing the windoze boxes the unix guys had broken
[07:22] <robotgeek> dell500: one sec. paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4850
[07:22] <robotgeek> ah, wrong window
[07:22] <dell500> :)
[07:23] <garux> one thing i have noticed, why doesnt linux use Helvetica instead of Arial?
[07:23] <garux> i find that strange.
[07:23] <garux> Arial being the MS bastard of Helvetica
[07:25] <robotgeek> garux: nah, you got me. fonts were never my strong point
[07:26] <[Relic] > think I could have installed from a CD faster  :)
[07:26] <garux> its doesnt matter so much on screen
[07:26] <garux> but helvetica is just cleaner... and it would be a nice thumb in the air
[07:26] <garux> just like linux users are proud in some cases to never use windows
[07:27] <robotgeek> garux: you can choose to use helevetica. OS X uses that
[07:27] <garux> designers are very proud to point out they dont use arial and make fun of those that do.
[07:27] <garux> mac designers especially
[07:27] <robotgeek> lol
[07:27] <garux> i only noticed in fedora.
[07:28] <garux> because when i went to change the fonts it was defaulted to Arial but you couldnt adjust it, and then arial would disappear
[07:28] <robotgeek> crap. 
[07:30] <robotgeek> i think fonts are easy to change in kubuntu
[07:31] <[Relic] > I have veranda  :)
[07:31] <robotgeek> it's a term, you see :)
[07:31] <garux> yah KDE has some great applets for that.
[07:32] <[Relic] > I think that is the one I have
[07:32] <garux> far better than gnome at least
[07:32] <garux> verdana is a derivative of helvetica as well
[07:32] <garux> ok... robot  im on the desktop
[07:32] <garux> install is done
[07:32] <robotgeek> garux: depends, point of view. i am using gnome :)
[07:32] <[Relic] > also haven't run into many if any apps that can't be read due to an inverted color set, like was a big problem on windows
[07:33] <garux> i think KDE makes more sense to a person used to using windowz
[07:33] <[Relic] > makes for an easy switch
[07:33] <robotgeek> it's nicely integrated, very easy to use. gnome, not so well integrated i feel
[07:33] <[Relic] > if only I could find a really good text editor like crimson editor or the old dos aurora
[07:34] <robotgeek> garux: can you open up a terminal and type 'lspci | less' and see if your wireless card has been detected
[07:34] <robotgeek> [Relic] : vim :)
[07:35] <[Relic] > PIA when your last open documents don't come back up the same way you left them
[07:35] <[Relic] > hard to make a game w/o mutliple files openand easily accessible too :)
[07:36] <robotgeek> [Relic] : vi -O file1 file2 :)
[07:36] <[Relic] > if they had only released the aurora source  :)
[07:36] <robotgeek> [Relic] : plus, i use screen. so it's very convienient :)
[07:36] <garux> no doesnt look ike it robot..
[07:37] <garux> the only entry i dont understand totaly is BRIDGE, but i think thats for usb?
[07:37] <robotgeek> garux: as in it doesn't show anything about wireless? crazy
[07:37] <robotgeek> garux: okay, type this 'dmesg | grep wireless'
[07:37] <garux> it found both cardbus slots, but nothing in them
[07:38] <robotgeek> garux: ah okay, is the microsoft card in there?
[07:39] <garux> either im typing it wrong or nothing is there
[07:39] <garux> just sends me to another prompt
[07:39] <robotgeek> garux: if so, type 'sudo modprobe prism2'
[07:40] <robotgeek> garux: it's fine, don't worry. just type the thing above
[07:40] <garux> nothing for modprobe either
[07:40] <garux> fatal - module not found
[07:41] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, one sec
[07:41] <robotgeek> garux: can you tell me the output of uname -r
[07:42] <robotgeek> garux: 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)'
[07:42] <garux> 2.6.12-9-386
[07:42] <garux> kernel version
[07:46] <garux> no such file robot
[07:47] <garux> sorry made a typo
[07:47] <garux> tis going now
[07:47] <robotgeek> garux: cool
[07:48] <garux> im kinda tall and have big hands
[07:48] <garux> the sony is a lot smaller than my production box keyboardwise
[07:48] <robotgeek> garux: same here. you tend to type faster :)
[07:49] <garux> ive gotten to typing without looking, but my fingers hit all kinds of buttons at once
[07:49] <garux> ok back to the original commands?
[07:50] <robotgeek> garux: hmm, just hold on. i'm trying to find the exact module name. brb
[07:50] <garux> no problem
[07:53] <[Relic] > wonder how many more hours this will take  :(
[07:54] <robotgeek> garux: try 'sudo modprobe prism_pci' 
[07:56] <robotgeek> garux: tho, that might not have worked. brb again
[07:56] <aftertaf> boing :)
[07:56] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[07:56] <chaoticgeek> I go home tomorrow for Turkey day break
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> :)
[07:57] <crimsun> lucky you.
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> ubotu:  hi
[07:57] <ubotu> que tal
[07:57] <crimsun> I still have to teach tomorrow.
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> hows it going all?
[07:57] <garux> not found - fatal
[07:57] <robotgeek> crimsun: i just turned in my thesis documentation :)
[07:57] <chaoticgeek> that sucks, although I do have a class at 5:45 where I have a quiz
[07:58] <crimsun> robotgeek: congrats!
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> or test
[07:58] <robotgeek> garux: just as i suspected. 
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> MacroEcon
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> boy that class is boring
[07:58] <crimsun> oh? My Dad's an econ prof, heh.
[07:58] <chaoticgeek> lol
[07:58] <robotgeek> crimsun: thanks, gotta take care of the formatting stuff. latex to the rescue :0
[07:59] <crimsun> yes, latex rocks
[07:59] <robotgeek> garux: try 'sudo modprobe prism54'
[07:59] <chaoticgeek> I dont like that class, I usualy end up reading from my java book for class
[08:00] <robotgeek> damn, i've spend about 16 hours in front of the comp today
[08:00] <chaoticgeek> wow
[08:01] <garux> no fatal error,, but it just returned a prompt
[08:01] <chaoticgeek> robotgeek: what are you in?
[08:01] <robotgeek> garux: cool, lsmod | grep prism
[08:02] <robotgeek> chaoticgeek: as in? i'm a mechanical grad
[08:02] <chaoticgeek> wow
[08:03] <garux> prism54 - filesize > firmware_class
[08:04] <robotgeek> garux: try going to the network admin thingy in kde. i am not sure abt that. i use gnome. :(
[08:04] <robotgeek> garux: did the card light up though?
[08:04] <garux> do you want me to switch to gnome?
[08:04] <garux> or does kubuntu not install gnome?
[08:05] <garux> i used default session so im not sure
[08:05] <robotgeek> garux: kubuntu doesn't install gnome
[08:05] <robotgeek> garux: anyways, i think that it was *not* successful. 
[08:06] <robotgeek> garux: we might have to compile our own drivers, or you might have to use ndiswrapper. uggh
[08:06] <garux> well it displayed those drivers
[08:07] <garux> it didnt do it for the other prism stuff
[08:08] <robotgeek> garux: i know, but that was a different chipset. it shouldn't have worked :)
[08:09] <robotgeek> i dunno why the prism2_pci driver is not installed by default
[08:09] <[Relic] > time to reboot and see if my computer explodes  :)
[08:10] <garux> i having a slight issue
[08:10] <robotgeek> garux: i'm looking, but tell me about your issue
[08:10] <garux> because the default doesnt seem to let me use SU on the control vcenter
[08:10] <garux> and i cant just login as root, because i cant get into user manager
[08:12] <robotgeek> hmm, i dunno anything about kde. but i think this might be your issue
[08:12] <aftertaf> garux:  use sudo then
[08:12] <robotgeek> !tell garux about sudo
[08:12] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: tell garux -about sudo
[08:13] <garux> im new to linux - im using the gui
[08:13] <garux> not in a command line
[08:13] <garux> thats one thing that im not sure how to do
[08:13] <chaoticgeek> then you need to learn the command line
[08:13] <garux> goes to read
[08:13] <robotgeek> garux: kdesu
[08:13] <chaoticgeek> lol
[08:13] <garux> i cant learn it all at once
[08:14] <robotgeek> garux: np
[08:14] <chaoticgeek> if you hit [alt] [f2]  then type in the box that pops open 'konsole' it will open up a  command line for ya
[08:15] <robotgeek> garux: i got bad news. the prism2_pci module is apparently not installed by default. so, we ill either have to compile it, or go the ndiswrapper way
[08:16] <garux> the thing with terminal is that i dont know the name of all the apps
[08:17] <robotgeek> garux: tab completion is ur friend
[08:17] <garux> never mind.. i figged it out...
[08:18] <garux> you right click over the icon and add into command
[08:23] <robotgeek> garux: will you be online about tommorow. i am tired, and i need to crash?
[08:27] <garux> yes robot
[08:27] <garux> its going to take me some time to figure out ths su thing
[08:27] <garux> im appreciate your help.
[08:28] <robotgeek> garux: well get it done tommorow. cya around. 18 hours in front of the comp definetly doesn't help :)
[08:28] <chaoticgeek> hey garux this may help you out http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[08:28] <robotgeek> !cli
[08:28] <ubotu> it has been said that cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/, or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[08:29] <robotgeek> garux: night, cya tommorow
[08:29] <chaoticgeek> fine
[08:29] <chaoticgeek> well I'm off too
[08:30] <garux> it all helps
[08:30] <garux> i keep reading and reading.
[08:30] <garux> it just needs to be able to sink in
[08:47] <cryptom> Hi, i use a self-compiled kernel (with initrd) and i get lots of: modprobe: FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/new-kernel-version/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[08:48] <cryptom> not during "normal" boot-up, but before the kubuntu-splash screen starts
[08:48] <cryptom> is this related to initrd?
[08:52] <_h> what's your hdparm options?
[08:55] <JakubS> cryptom: depmod -a
[08:55] <cryptom> JakubS, i already tried that
[08:56] <cryptom> its not that the modules are not built, these warnings do not appear when the kernel is not built with initrd
[08:57] <cryptom> how can i mount the initrd image? i tried gunzipping it (that works) and mounting it as ext2, minix (does not work)
[08:58] <kairu0> hey all
[08:58] <cryptom> what skeleton is used when the initrd image is created with make-kpkg --initrd?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[08:59] <kairu0> say i have a locale problem
[08:59] <kairu0> when i run kde apps from konsole i get:
[08:59] <kairu0> Qt: Locales not supported on X server
[09:00] <kairu0> and i've run dpkg-reconfigure to generate the right locale (es_US)
[09:00] <kairu0> any ideas?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:00] <_h> How do yo you tune your hard disk by hdparm? What options do you use?
[09:01] <kairu0> LANG, LC_ALL, etc. are all set to es_US.UTF-8 
[09:03] <JakubS> cryptom: romfs or cramfs
[09:04] <darksoul> !ati
[09:04] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:05] <cryptom> JakubS, its not cramfs, and unfortunately, i dont have romfs in the kernel, so i can try
[09:06] <JakubS> i wonder how this initrd got loaded then
[09:07] <darksoul> !sources
[09:07] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:07] <cryptom> JakubS, might that be the problem? that romfs is not in the kernel?
[09:08] <JakubS> bah, even current phase of moon can be a problem :-)
[09:11] <cryptom> i will try and recompile the kernel...
[09:15] <chaoticgeek_away> have fun w/ the recompile
[09:15] <chaoticgeek_away> I've heard its long and tedious, but I've never done it
[09:16] <aftertaf> chaoticgeek_away:  boo. its fast and fun. with make kpkg :)
[09:31] <cryptom> chakie_work, its quite nice with debian-based distros, you can build a deb-package automatically... just have a cup of coffee ;-)
[09:31] <cryptom> chakie_work, sorry, wrong name competion (i meant chaoticgeek_away)
[09:32] <chakie_work> gosh
[09:32] <chakie_work> the joys of alpabetical tab completion
[09:33] <ninux> bonjour
[09:35] <nalioth> allo
[09:38] <aftertaf> ninux:  hello.
[09:39] <aftertaf> is la basse normandie as cold as haute normandie this morning?
[09:47] <chaoticgeek_away> yes cryptom?
[09:50] <chaoticgeek> hello h
[09:50] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[09:50] <ubotu> hola, chaoticgeek
[09:50] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[09:51] <ubotu> hi
[09:51] <crimsun> please don't abuse the bot...
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> maybe I should sleep
[09:51] <chaoticgeek> sry crimsun 
[09:52] <crimsun> np
[09:59] <ninux> oui il y fait froid 
[09:59] <ninux> i'm french 
[09:59] <ninux> end i config the news system unbuntu 
[09:59] <ninux> ubuntu
[10:02] <nalioth> ninux: if you like, #ubuntu-fr est francophone
[10:03] <Arvedui> hello
[10:04] <aftertaf> hi Arvedui :)
[10:04] <Arvedui> how are you?
[10:05] <Arvedui> Can anybody help me, I wanted to install Kubuntu in my pc
[10:05] <aftertaf> ored but happy :)
[10:05] <aftertaf> +b
[10:06] <Arvedui> but I can't
[10:06] <Arvedui> aftertaf could you help me?
[10:15] <aftertaf> ask away.
[10:15] <Arvedui> aftertaf: I have the knowledges to install kubuntu (I installed another linux distributions) but when I install kubuntu
[10:15] <Arvedui> aftertaf: when Its installing the base systems, over a 30% computer seems to be blocked and after waiting a while I must reboot
[10:15] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  because I can't do anything
[10:15] <ninux> oki thank you for the rom #ubuntu-fr nalioth 
[10:15] <ninux> oki thank you for the salon #ubuntu-fr nalioth 
[10:15] <ninux> bye all 
[10:15] <ninux> end good day 
[10:15] <ninux> bye
[10:15] <h> how do I change the setting to not to play the DVD when I insert the DVD?
[10:15] <nalioth> Arvedui: have you verified the integrity of your iso image?
[10:15] <Arvedui> nalioth: my brother has put kubuntu into 3 computers before me, whith the same Dvd as I used
[10:18] <Arvedui> nalioth: he studies computers engineery but he has'nt be able to help me
[10:19] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  maybe your dvd player then.
[10:20] <nalioth> Arvedui: is the optical drive in your computer functional?
[10:20] <Arvedui> aftertaf: I put it new 1 month ago and I haven't had any problems with all my discs
[10:21] <aftertaf> weird. Arvedui this is with the breezy dvd? try booting on live cd part of it, see if it says anything...
[10:22] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  and if that works, try to download the install CD and try that way. if that works you can add the dvd as an apt repository
[10:22] <Arvedui> aftertaf: the live part works ok
[10:22] <bubblenut> Hey, my machine locked up during an upgrade from hoary to breezy, I did a hard reboot came back in and tried to re-run apt-get dist-upgrade and it asked be to run a configure command (dpkg --configure -a I think) which I did and then I tried to run the dist-upgrade again and it's giving me the following error http://pastebin.com/436026
[10:22] <aftertaf> download the cd then see if that does the sam ething. if it does and you know your hardware is ok, file a bug report ;)
[10:22] <aftertaf> bubblenut:  try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:23] <bubblenut> what does that do?
[10:23] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  my brother said that my chipset: an AMD-SiS could not work
[10:24] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  ok. not work as in not compatible?
[10:24] <bubblenut> Oooh, resolves dependencies, that would be the monkey. Thanks aftertaf :)
[10:24] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  come to #ubuntu and say what you have said to us here...
[10:24] <aftertaf> bubblenut:  :] 
[10:24] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  ok, he said that is not compatible... sorry english is not my native language
[10:24] <aftertaf> wb Hobbsee 
[10:24] <Hobbsee> ty aftertaf 
[10:25] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  hey no problem :)
[10:25] <aftertaf> other cultures should not have to aplogise for not speaking english as a mother tongue ;)
[10:25] <h> how do I change the setting to not to play the DVD when I insert the DVD?
[10:26] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  I live in a small island in the mediterranean sea
[10:26] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  which one???
[10:27] <Arvedui> aftertaf: Mallorca, a lots of british and germanian people come every year on holidays
[10:27] <aftertaf> nice :)   yeah, they do!!!
[10:27] <aftertaf> warmer than in france right now?
[10:28] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  what means warmer?
[10:28] <aftertaf> less cold
[10:28] <aftertaf> hotter, if you prefer ;)
[10:29] <Arvedui> aftertaf: french people come here but in less percentage
[10:29] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  what is your motherboard and chipset?  join #ubuntu and ask if anybody can help you install 
[10:30] <Arvedui> aftertaf: I have an "all-in-one" ASRock Micro ATX with an AMD-SiS chipset
[10:31] <aftertaf> ok. ask them in ubuntu.....
[10:31] <Arvedui> aftertaf: thank you very much
[10:31] <aftertaf> no problem :)
[10:31] <Arvedui> aftertaf: one thing... where do you live?
[10:32] <aftertaf> in the north of france.... but i'm from england
[10:32] <aftertaf> hi bimberi  :)
[10:32] <aftertaf> wb viviersf :)
[10:33] <bimberi> 'evening aftertaf :)
[10:33] <aftertaf> morning...
[10:33] <aftertaf> ahh you ozzies :] 
[10:33] <Arvedui> aftertaf: I want to go on travel to france... I think it's nice. But I dislike with their politic centralism
[10:33] <bimberi> :)
[10:34] <viviersf> thx aftertaf 
[10:34] <aftertaf> Arvedui:  yeah they want to have a hold everywhere on the planet..... its a cultural survival instinct...
[10:35] <aftertaf> not the clothing retailer
[10:35] <bimberi> ... but it's the first hit :P
[10:35] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  I'm from a small culture, and spanish government tries to erase our identity like makes france
[10:36] <aftertaf> yeah .... everywhere sucks ! ! !    :] 
[10:39] <aftertaf> lol
[10:39] <Arvedui> aftertaf: for example in the south france there are catalan people, they are culturally near to me. But french government tries to erradicate its identity and make all of them partiotic french
[10:40] <aftertaf> yeah i know.
[10:42] <Arvedui> aftertaf: one last thing, what's happening on france with violence acts? I have read in newspaper, but I don't understand it
[10:43] <aftertaf> the immigrant youth are lashing out and burning cars to protest against everything.
[10:43] <aftertaf> job discrimination, bad housing.... etc etc. but it is a lot more complex than that...
[10:45] <Arvedui> aftertaf: ok... I hope in a future that everybody will be happy and free
[10:46] <aftertaf> me 2, me 2
[10:46] <Arvedui> aftertaf:  bye! I must work on my history manuals! See you soon
[10:59] <bubblenut> WOOT! I got breezy :D
[10:59] <bubblenut> Does anyone know the name of the program which speeds up booting by starting services concurrently?
[11:01] <h> I want to see if you have this problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=511061#post511061
[11:11] <aftertaf> bubblenut:  ask in ubuntu, i can't remember
[11:11] <aftertaf> and let me know ;)
[11:17] <ilreds> hi
[11:18] <ilreds> my amule crashed and bow is in state D...if i relaunch amule, the second process is in state R and does't work...answers?
[11:19] <ilreds> now
[11:20] <nalioth> ilreds: kill all amule processes
[11:20] <ilreds> nalioth: not simple
[11:21] <nalioth> ilreds: sure it is. open konsole, type "ps aux|grep amule"
[11:21] <nalioth> find the PID and kill it
[11:21] <ilreds> with kill -s SIGKILL or kill -9 i con't kill the amule in state D
[11:21] <nalioth> ilreds: then that sounds like software that is pure crap
[11:35] <cheer> hallo, ich wollte grade Kubuntu installieren, er bootet auch von CD, ich tippe "install" ein und kann deutsch - deutsch - deutsch auswhlen, jedoch kommt dann bei der suche nach dem CD-Rom die Fehlermeldung: Kann cd-rom laufwerk nicht einbinden, somit komme ich nicht weiter ;( weiss jemand rat?
[11:35] <Tm_T> #kubuntu-de or use english
[11:35] <cheer> oh sry
[11:35] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:35] <cheer> i'll join the german channel ;-)
[11:35] <raphink> ok :)
[11:36] <aftertaf> sudo killall amule
[11:36] <nalioth> Tm_T: you're so nice....  ;)
[11:37] <Tm_T> err?
[11:37] <raphink> nalioth: are you ok with your pbuilder now?
[11:37] <Tm_T> nalioth: well, I can't help if he uses deutch
[11:37] <nalioth> raphink: did we go over it?
[11:37] <cheer> ehm i'll try to describe my problem to you the german chan is so empty ..
[11:38] <bubblenut> aftertaf: initNG
[11:38] <raphink> not nalioth 
[11:38] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:38] <raphink> s/not/no/
[11:38] <Tm_T> cheer: I'm not surprised, in just invented that name :p
[11:39] <cheer> this is the nickname of the last irc user on this pc^^
[11:39] <Tm_T> ok
[11:39] <raphink> Tm_T: no #kubuntu-de exists ;)
[11:39] <Tm_T> raphink: it does? whoa
[11:39] <nalioth> cheer es mehr luete im #ubuntu-de
[11:39] <raphink> more and more #kubuntu-xx are created lately
[11:40] <cheer> buy nobody can help me there ;<
[11:40] <raphink> cheer: you could try with no-apci maybe
[11:40] <Tm_T> raphink: and !kubuntu.fi @ IRCnet
[11:40] <raphink> nope je pense pas
[11:40] <nalioth> cheer: nicht ""K""ubuntu-de, aber #ubuntu-de
[11:40] <cheer> hm..
[11:40] <cheer> ok
[11:41] <nalioth> es tu mir leid, meine deutsch ist schlect
[11:41] <robin_2> I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, so I need to save as much power as possible :). I'm using hdparm -S 1 /dev/hdc to put my hardisk to zZz when there is no activity. But, every N secs, the hdd light flashes (1s < n < 5s). How can I see, what program or proces is accessing the hdd ?
[11:41] <cheer> das macht nichts, mein englisch auch ;)
[11:41] <raphink> nalioth: nicht ... sondern ... ;)
[11:41] <cheer> i can't install kubuntu on my computer, i can boot from cd/dvd and select my language, after this it tries to detect my hardware it says hey dude i can't bin your dvd-rom this is the end ;(
[11:42] <nalioth> cheer did you verify the validity of the install cd?
[11:42] <raphink> cheer: did you check the md5 sum?
[11:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cheer about verify
[11:42] <cheer> hm.. i tried the cd and dvd and i instanlled it on another pc
[11:42] <cheer> so i think the cd should be okay
[11:43] <pussfeller> kaffeine isnt playing my DVD's... its like hanging or something
[11:43] <nalioth> cheer: is the current machine you are trying on with an old cd drive?
[11:43] <raphink> nalioth: that wouldnt' boot on DVD 
[11:43] <cheer> no it's a new one ( i bought it yesterday ) the old one in this computer did the same thing
[11:43] <robin_2> I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, so I need to save as much power as possible :). I'm using hdparm -S 1 /dev/hdc to put my hardisk to zZz when there is no activity. But, every N secs, the hdd light flashes (1s < n < 5s). How can I see, what program or proces is accessing the hdd ?
[11:44] <nalioth> cheer: is the machine very new?
[11:44] <cheer> no p4 2,4 ghz
[11:45] <cheer> asus P4p800 is the mainbord
[11:46] <cheer> is it possible, that the ide bus is not supportet?
[11:47] <nalioth> cheer: when was the machine made?
[11:47] <cheer> about 1-2 years
[11:47] <cheer> windows 2000 was running on it until yesterday ;)
[11:47] <nalioth> cheer the kubuntu should install with out a problem at all
[11:48] <cheer> so my hardware is destoryed? 
[11:48] <pussfeller> !dvd
[11:48] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:49] <robin_2> I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, so I need to save as much power as possible :). I'm using hdparm -S 1 /dev/hdc to put my hardisk to zZz when there is no activity. But, every N secs, the hdd light flashes (1s < n < 5s). How can I see, what program or proces is accessing the hdd ?
[11:49] <bubblenut> What source do I have to add to install initNG?
[11:49] <nalioth> cheer: of course not. fragen sie in #ubuntu , bitte
[11:49] <cheer> ok thank you nalioth 
[11:49] <nalioth> cheer:  ich bin ein dummkopf 
[11:50] <cheer> nalioth: no you aren't
[11:51] <nalioth> well, cheer there are more people in #ubuntu that might be able to help you
[11:51] <cheer> ok u
[11:51] <cheer> ehm, i'll check it out^^
[11:52] <nalioth> cheer: the only difference in ubuntu and kubuntu is gnome and kde
[11:52] <cheer> that's why i use kubuntu =)
[12:16] <Rayman_> is there a way to flush the swap to ram?
[12:27] <bubblenut> Does ubuntu use a different name for grub.conf?
[12:29] <raphink> nope bubblenut 
[12:29] <raphink> soryr
[12:29] <raphink> hehe
[12:29] <raphink> it's menu.lst
[12:29] <raphink> that's the grub conf file
[12:30] <raphink> bubblenut: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:39] <bubblenut> thanks :)
[12:44] <viviersf> bubblenut, why ? 
[12:51] <bubblenut> viviersf: so that I can edit it
[12:51] <viviersf> heh
[12:51] <viviersf> since you know something bout grub
[12:51] <viviersf> why would it sumtimes refuse to load ?
[12:51] <viviersf> the cursor just blinks when the computer boots 
[12:52] <bubblenut> I didn't say I know anything about grub, I just like breaking my computer :)
[12:52] <viviersf> haha ok
[12:52] <dipnlik> viviersf: define "when the computer boots"
[12:52] <bubblenut> Is there anything in syslog?
[12:52] <viviersf> so you are noobie
[12:52] <viviersf> dipnlik, when the grub screen is supposed to come up, the cursor just blinks
[12:53] <bubblenut> 4 years with linux and still as ignorant as the day I started :)
[12:53] <raphink> lol
[12:53] <viviersf> 8 years using linux
[12:53] <viviersf> and the only thing ive learned 
[12:53] <viviersf> is how to break my pc in new ways
[12:54] <dipnlik> viviersf: hm... never seen that here. Sometimes my PC refuses to boot but I think it is RAM-related
[12:54] <viviersf> dipnlik, well it happens
[12:55] <viviersf> and i dont know
[12:55] <viviersf> dipnlik, your bios is phoenix ?
[12:55] <puckman> almost 4 months of linux and kicking himself for not switching earlier.
[12:55] <dipnlik> viviersf: I get the same blinking cursor, but it is even before even the BIOS. Don't know exactly about the BIOS, sorry
[12:55] <dipnlik> viviersf: what about Phoenix BIOS?
[12:57] <viviersf> the pc's in this office 
[12:57] <viviersf> get this 
[12:57] <viviersf> but they have phoenix bios
[12:57] <viviersf> i got hp bios and i dont get it
[12:58] <dipnlik> hm
[01:07] <DjDarkman> hy i have installed a linux driver for my nvidia geforce video card ,where can i access the x configuration to enalbe 3d acceleration?
[01:08] <viviersf> ok if i lost grub on the mbr and i wanted to reinstall it
[01:09] <viviersf> what would be the correct way of doing this ?
[01:11] <DjDarkman> so noone knows how can I enable 3d accelerationn?
[01:12] <jpowers> I think it used to be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something like that
[01:12] <jpowers> I know it's a dpkg-reconfigure script
[01:12] <jpowers> I'm just not sure which package you have to reconfigure
[01:13] <DjDarkman> theres gotto be a way...
[01:14] <YudiW> how to shutdown the kubuntu from linux console? i try shutdown -h  (using root) but it seem no correct
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !tell viviersf about reinstallgrub
[01:14] <Hobbsee> CyberMad:  sudo shutdown now -h
[01:14] <CyberMad> Hobbsee thanks
[01:15] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:15] <DjDarkman> how can I enable 3d accelaration?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[01:15] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[01:15] <Hobbsee> you did the stuff there, i take it?
[01:16] <Juerd> CyberMad: Please disable colors.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ah, i was wondering why my name was suddenly green...
[01:17] <CyberMad> ok, i will use normal IRC Client
[01:18] <CyberMad> this is my own script
[01:18] <bubblenut> Is there an equivalent of redhat's rc.local in ubuntu?
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i wonder why this channel doesnt have a "no colours" restriction on it...
[01:19] <Hobbsee> bubblenut: um...what's a redhat's rc.local?
[01:19] <bubblenut> In redhat, in /etc/ there's a file called rc.local which is an init file for user entries
[01:19] <Juerd> Hobbsee: Colour might occasionally be useful.
[01:19] <Juerd> Like for whispering
[01:19] <bubblenut> In my kubuntu install all I see is rcS.d, rc0.d etc
[01:20] <Juerd> Or indicating a mistaka in syntax
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Juerd: for what?  most clients already have highlighting by default, same for whispering
[01:20] <bubblenut> If I have something I want run at boot time, where do I put it?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> bubblenut: /home/user/.kde/Autostart
[01:20] <Hobbsee> or...i think there's a place in /usr/ too
[01:20] <Juerd> Hobbsee: I said whispering, not private shouting :)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: you around?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> true
[01:21] <Juerd> This can be great for added drama.
[01:21] <bubblenut> Hobbsee: But there's not user directory in /home ! OMG WTF?!?! ;) J/K, thanks :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:21] <Juerd> Hey, hey you. Yes, you there. Hello :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> there's /usr/share/autostart too
[01:22] <Juerd> See? The same thing without the dark gray wouldn't have been so obviously inconspicuous.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> no dark grey background here
[01:26] <dipnlik> what's all this coloring about? o.O (reading history to see what's happening here...)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> people deciding to use colour in what they say
[01:27] <dipnlik> no no, please don't!
[01:27] <Hobbsee> exactly
[01:27] <dipnlik> life is good in black and white :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> lol...and red
[01:28] <Hobbsee> and blue
[01:28] <Hobbsee> and purple
[01:28] <dipnlik> colors are for syntax highlighting :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> and all the other colours that the irc clients automatically change lines to be
[01:28] <Hobbsee> exactly
[01:28] <Hobbsee> that's the phrase i was looking for
[01:29] <dipnlik> time to go www.creativecommons.org :P
[01:31] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: how'd you get irssi 0.8.10?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> anything in it worth upgrading to?
[01:32] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get install irssi-text, IIRC
[01:32] <Hobbsee> so it is...
[01:32] <Hobbsee> i thought i was only using 0.8.9
[01:40] <erwin> Bonjour tout le monde !
[01:41] <erwin> A qui doit-on reporter un bug sous ubuntu ?
[01:41] <dipnlik> msg ubotu bugs
[01:42] <dipnlik> erwin: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[01:42] <dipnlik> erwin: but this channel is english only
[01:46] <Hobbsee> so tired...
[01:48] <Hobbsee> erwin: /topic
[01:56] <erwin> sry
[01:56] <erwin> tanks
[02:03] <viviersf> omw
[02:03] <viviersf> im getting annoyed at grub
[02:49] <raphaelfnobre> boa tarde!
[03:03] <raphaelfnobre> como trocar a tela de inicializaao?
[03:09] <gigcs> hi
[03:10] <dipnlik> raphaelfnobre: english only, and pvt
[03:24] <[square] > hello. i have this problem: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/436147
[03:25] <atidem> hello
[03:26] <atidem> I have a problem with console's linux font
[03:26] <atidem> when I launch it, I receive this message: Font `-misc-console-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso10646-1' not found.
[03:27] <atidem> I tried to read /usr/share/doc/konsole/README.Linux-font for help
[03:27] <atidem> but not works
[03:27] <atidem> anyone can give me an advice?
[03:30] <atidem> ?
[03:30] <gigcs> i have question
[03:30] <sambagirl> you may have to ask in #ubuntu atidem
[03:30] <gigcs> how i can say ubuntu develop .
[03:31] <atidem> ok, thank you sambagirl 
[03:31] <sambagirl> your welcome
[03:31] <sambagirl> how you can say? you just do this.
[03:32] <gigcs> sambagirl:do you know add package on cd .
[03:32] <sambagirl> what country is TH?
[03:32] <kkathman> lol sambagirl :)
[03:32] <kkathman> thailand?
[03:32] <sambagirl> ahh 
[03:33] <kkathman> just guessing :)
[03:33] <sambagirl> your meaning synaptic or kanaptic gigcs?
[03:34] <kkathman> Im not sure what he means, I may need my secret decoder ring
[03:34] <sambagirl> :D
[03:35] <gigcs> no , add package on cd .remastering install cd .
[03:35] <sambagirl> i thinking what ahh
[03:35] <sambagirl> ahh
[03:35] <sambagirl> no
[03:36] <sambagirl> why you want to make copies, no?
[03:36] <sambagirl> is this what your meaning? make copies of ubuntu cd?
[03:36] <kkathman> gigcs: what package?
[03:36] <kkathman> sambagirl: I think maybe he wants to possibly modify the ubuntu live image possibly?
[03:37] <kkathman> and you cant do that to my knowledge
[03:37] <sambagirl> that is not a good idea
[03:37] <sambagirl> oh i understand now
[03:37] <sambagirl> he wants to join developemtn group and have his mods added to the cd
[03:37] <kkathman> sambagirl: Hey Im takin a shot in the dark here :)
[03:37] <kkathman> yah maybe that too
[03:38] <kkathman> between the 2 of us we'll start an international crisis
[03:38] <sambagirl> heh
[03:39] <gigcs> kkathman:xine package .i wish add xine package on  install cd .
[03:39] <sambagirl>                                              gigs
[03:39] <kkathman> gigcs:  you mean the live CD ?
[03:39] <sambagirl> gigs your wanting to join development, no?
[03:41] <gigcs> no , install cd . not live cd.
[03:41] <sambagirl> you needing to talk with devs
[03:41] <kkathman> gigcs: no need, you just install the cd, then update your install with that package
[03:41] <kkathman> sambagirl: dont think he wants that...he just wants to add xine to his install
[03:42] <kkathman> gigcs:  are you familiar with apt-get ?
[03:42] <kkathman> no need to burn another cd..just add the package and install it with apt-get install
[03:42] <gigcs> kkathman: no . i want add package on  install cd . 
[03:43] <sambagirl> oh
[03:43] <kkathman> gigcs: there's no need to do that.
[03:43] <sambagirl> what package?
[03:43] <kkathman> sambagirl: xine
[03:43] <sambagirl> and redistribute to world ?
[03:43] <sambagirl> ok well i not knowing what xine is
[03:43] <kkathman> xine is a music engine like gstreamer
[03:43] <kkathman> used in amarok and kaffeine
[03:44] <gigcs> sambagirl: i want redistribution install cd .
[03:44] <_marius> how are people doing here?
[03:44] <_marius> how are you people doing here?
[03:44] <sambagirl> is ok 
[03:44] <raingrove> xine can't play mp3 in kubuntu
[03:45] <raingrove> i had to install mad somehow
[03:45] <kkathman> gigcs: you cannot do that Im afraid, I think that would violate the GNU Public License
[03:45] <kkathman> raingrove: sure it can
[03:45] <sambagirl> you needing talk to ubuntu people first, no?
[03:45] <sambagirl> is like installing your own thing on macos 
[03:45] <sambagirl> fore redistribution is leagal?
[03:45] <raingrove> kkathman, but i needed to install libmad or something like that before i could play mp3 with xine
[03:45] <kkathman> raingrove: hmm...maybe I already had that installed then :)
[03:46] <raingrove> hmm
[03:46] <raingrove> something's wrong with the kde repositories now
[03:46] <raingrove> my synaptic is failing to get files
[03:46] <gigcs> kkathman: i want add package . and i use .
[03:46] <bl3ssing> hei ... my nick is right over here. how can I log in for using it? :-((
[03:46] <kkathman> gigcs: just install, then use apt-get
[03:46] <bl3ssing> lol
[03:47] <bl3ssing> sorry ... misunderstanding between me and my nickname. :-)
[03:47] <bl3ssing> =))
[03:47] <gigcs> sambagirl: Please advise . Who  can redistribution .
[03:47] <kkathman> raingrove: hmmm disturbing, did you change anything in your sources.list?
[03:47] <sambagirl> i would visit www.ubuntu.org
[03:47] <raingrove> kkathman,  no
[03:48] <kkathman> raingrove: when did this start?
[03:48] <raingrove> just a while ago
[03:48] <raingrove> maybe it's my connection
[03:48] <raingrove> try getting packages like kscreensave
[03:48] <raingrove> saver
[03:48] <sambagirl> i not sure gigcs i just thinking is good starting place 
[03:48] <kkathman> raingrove: you mean with, say, apt-get ?
[03:48] <raingrove> yea
[03:49] <kkathman> raingrove: no problem here
[03:49] <kkathman> just tried
[03:49] <raingrove> maybe it's my connection then
[03:49] <gigcs> kkathman: you have advise .
[03:49] <kkathman> maybe your connection or those specific archives are temporarily unavailable
[03:50] <raingrove> yea
[03:50] <gigcs> sambagirl: How i can say develop ubntu.
[03:50] <sambagirl> kkathman is developer of Ubuntu! He will help everyone with their problems :)
[03:50] <kkathman> gigcs: you cannot take a (k)ubuntu image, and change it, then redistribute it - That violates the GNU Public License. 
[03:51] <kkathman> sambagirl:  Im not a developer :)
[03:51] <sambagirl> these things i hearing 
[03:51] <kkathman> gigcs: its not a big thing you are asking. There is no need to repackage just to put xine in the distribution
[03:51] <sambagirl> your developer
[03:51] <sambagirl> is remarkable, no?
[03:52] <kkathman> sambagirl: nope, Im not a developer
[03:53] <kkathman> gigcs: not everyone needs xine, and so its not put in the install. But if you DO need it, you can just apt-get install it from the repositories.
[03:53] <sambagirl> what is xine 
[03:54] <raingrove> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdeartwork/kdeartwork-theme-icon_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[03:54] <raingrove>   Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:54] <raingrove> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdeartwork/kdeartwork-theme-window_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:54] <raingrove>   Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:54] <kkathman> sambagirl: xine is a sound engine
[03:54] <raingrove> this is what i gt
[03:54] <gigcs> sambagirl:xine is multimedia program.
[03:54] <kkathman> raingrove: bad source looks like..or its someone's private source and their computer isnt up maybe
[03:54] <sambagirl> liek vlc?
[03:55] <kkathman> sambagirl: like gstreamer and maybe mplayer, etc
[03:55] <sambagirl> you say do apt-get xine
[03:55] <kkathman> !info xine
[03:55] <raingrove> kkathman/ but it's archive.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <kkathman> raingrove: oh wait
[03:55] <kkathman> hmm
[03:56] <kkathman> raingrove: looks like the header is bad ... I dunno
[03:57] <kkathman> !info xine-ui
[03:57] <ubotu> xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1ubuntu5 (breezy), Packaged size: 1680 kB, Installed size: 3416 kB
[03:58] <kkathman> sambagirl: xine has a limited ui, but is basically a music playing engine, like gstreamer. it can be used in amarok and kaffeine
[03:58] <sambagirl> do apt-get  xine?
[03:58] <kkathman> sambagirl:  do an apt-cache search xine and you'll see what I mean
[03:59] <kkathman> !info kaffeine-xine
[03:59] <ubotu> kaffeine-xine: (xine engine for kaffeine media player), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.7-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 548 kB
[04:00] <sambagirl> whta i type apt-get xine
[04:00] <sambagirl> apt-get xine ?
[04:01] <sambagirl> apt-get xine install ?
[04:03] <kkathman> sambagirl: no, 
[04:03] <kkathman> sambagirl: xine is not a package
[04:03] <sambagirl> ok what is then?
[04:03] <sambagirl> ohh 
[04:03] <kkathman> sambagirl: xine-ui is, which is a very primitive player
[04:03] <sambagirl> ok
[04:04] <sambagirl> ok
[04:04] <kkathman> sambagirl: what do you use for playing music now?
[04:04] <gigcs> sambagirl:no i want add package xine on  install cd .
[04:04] <kkathman> gigcs: you cannot do that
[04:04] <sambagirl> you should ask Seveas or bob2
[04:04] <sambagirl> in #ubuntu channel
[04:04] <kkathman> gigcs: and why do you want to ?
[04:05] <sambagirl> ;D
[04:05] <kkathman> gigcs: you understand that you cannot change the ubuntu install cd, and then redistribute.   You CANNOT do that.
[04:06] <raingrove> oh man
[04:06] <raingrove> what's wrong with the repositories today
[04:06] <kkathman> gigcs:  I dont know why you would want to do that anyway.
[04:06] <gigcs> kkathman: why 
[04:06] <sambagirl> is not good thing to do. i not konwing any software that wants original modified and redistributed by outside group 
[04:06] <kkathman> gigcs: Because its against the GNU Public License to do so.
[04:07] <sambagirl> because if you think about it gigcs everyone would be adding their own thing ot the software cd and it would have no controls to it. each cd version would be different and no one would be able to supprot it
[04:07] <kkathman> gigcs:  and theres absolutely no reason to put xine on an install disk :)
[04:07] <gigcs> kkathman: i understand GNU public license . i use only one.
[04:08] <ice9> can anyone help me with k3b 
[04:08] <kkathman> sambagirl: and that distrubution would be a "custom" version of Ubuntu, which would then be impossible to control, as you say
[04:08] <sambagirl> si
[04:09] <gigcs> kkathman: is  my project .
[04:09] <kkathman> gigcs:  then all you need to do, is install ubuntu, then run sudo apt-get xine-ui install
[04:09] <raingrove> anyone using KDE 3.5 rc1?
[04:09] <sambagirl> what you could do gigcs is to crate your own linux version and then distribute it :)
[04:09] <kkathman> gigcs:  its not a good project
[04:09] <raingrove> gigcs/ xine is not included due to possible patent problems
[04:09] <sambagirl> maybe kkatman can help you since he is finished with his ubuntu product ;)
[04:10] <raingrove> gigcs / in other words it's not included because it may not be legal, at least in the US
[04:10] <kkathman> sambagirl: lol.. right
[04:10] <kkathman> raingrove: the engine is kewl tho I think
[04:10] <kkathman> raingrove: just the player has some probs,  but even then, its in the standard repos
[04:11] <raingrove> by default ubuntu can't play mp3.
[04:11] <kkathman> kaffeine can
[04:11] <raingrove> with "right" packages intalled:)
[04:12] <raingrove> kkathman/ are you really 52 years old
[04:12] <kkathman> raingrove: what I did when I was in hoary, was install kaffeine-xine, changed the engine in kaffeine and I could play them as much as I wanted.
[04:12] <ICE9> can anyone help me with k3b ? 
[04:12] <kkathman> raingrove: yes why?
[04:12] <kkathman> raingrove: not sure where you got that, but thats ok :)
[04:12] <raingrove> wow you are kidding arent ya
[04:13] <kkathman> uhm... well, no :)
[04:13] <raingrove> and you use linux
[04:13] <gigcs> kkathman: can i help you .
[04:13] <kkathman> raingrove: I have three linux boxes here at home along with 5 win boxes
[04:13] <kkathman> gigcs: I doubt it
[04:14] <raingrove> kkathman, yeah athlon 64 2gb ram
[04:14] <sherdog> Hey all
[04:14] <raingrove> kkathman, my god. u are cool
[04:14] <raingrove> kkathman, you listen to metal?!
[04:14] <kkathman> raingrove: well, thanx :) appreciate that :)
[04:14] <kkathman> raingrove: at times :)
[04:14] <sherdog> Is the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu KDE and gnome? :)
[04:15] <raingrove> sherdog/ yeah. 
[04:15] <kkathman> sherdog: kubuntu is classically KDE + ubuntu without gnome
[04:15] <sherdog> raingrove Just as stabile and such
[04:15] <kkathman> sherdog: but you can have both
[04:15] <sherdog> Thx both!
[04:15] <sherdog> Really preciate it
[04:15] <kkathman> sherdog: I have both
[04:15] <raingrove> i installed ubuntu, then installed kubuntu with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:16] <sherdog> Nice..
[04:16] <kkathman> raingrove: ditto..the best way actually
[04:16] <sherdog> I just want it for my laptop
[04:16] <kkathman> that way you always have a backup GUI
[04:16] <raingrove> i removed GNOME today though
[04:16] <kkathman> but you can install kubuntu then apt get install ubuntu-desktop, too
[04:16] <raingrove> instead, i installed xfce4
[04:17] <raingrove> which is
[04:17] <raingrove> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[04:17] <kkathman> raingrove:  yah theres actuall (x)ubuntu now
[04:17] <kkathman> right
[04:17] <sherdog> Well, I am to busy with school to get into Linux, and Ubuntu was easier to install than WinXP, so.. ;)
[04:18] <kkathman> sherdog: true :)
[04:18] <sherdog> kkathman :)
[04:19] <exxe> ciao chi ni da un sources.list fatto bene per aggiornare la kubuntu?
[04:19] <sherdog> And never again will Billy G get any of my money! Damn pirate..
[04:19] <kkathman> exxe: English only, please
[04:19] <kkathman> hehe
[04:20] <garux> hello all.. is this the proper channel to ask a few questions?
[04:21] <sherdog> garux :)
[04:21] <garux> i was talking last night to robotgeek
[04:21] <garux> i have issues with my wireless card
[04:21] <kkathman> garux: sure ask away
[04:21] <kkathman> robotgeek is the man to help you on that for sure
[04:22] <garux> its an MN-520 card
[04:22] <garux> it works with Fedora from the getgo, but doesnt in the buntu
[04:22] <garux> im new to linux, so im basically trying to avoid the hassle of using the wrapper
[04:23] <bl3ssing> how can I install plugins for flash?
[04:23] <bl3ssing> I can't see flash files on the net?
[04:23] <bl3ssing> ;(
[04:23] <garux> blessing.. macromedia.com
[04:23] <bl3ssing> not the right answer, garux.
[04:24] <bl3ssing> I'd love another one ... 
[04:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:24] <garux> its the best place to get the plugins for flash
[04:24] <kkathman> garux: this might help..look toward the bottom http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1188
[04:24] <garux> flash is macromedias product
[04:24] <bl3ssing> really?
[04:24] <garux> unless you are asking HOW to install it, which someone else migth ahve to help you with.
[04:24] <kkathman> garux theres no problem installing the flash plugin
[04:24] <paul__> hi... i just stumbled upon the fact that there are different servers for apt-get, adept or synaptic - how do i choose which ones to use, are there priorities, security issues...? where can i get some info on that?
[04:25] <sambagirl> I thgought KKathman was the developer of Flash too?
[04:25] <kkathman> very funny sambagirl :)
[04:25] <bl3ssing> lol sambagirl
[04:25] <garux> taking a look now kkathman - thnks
[04:25] <sambagirl> lol
[04:25] <garux> blessing is asking a question bout it.
[04:25] <garux> i was just trying to help someone else in return
[04:26] <dipnlik> paul__: all available servers are equally reliable, at least in theory
[04:26] <dipnlik> paul__: choose servers physically closer to you
[04:27] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I would suggest you Google HowTo Flash Plugin for Ubuntu and see that there are many entries to help you
[04:27] <garux> yah kathman... theres literally a thousand articles like that
[04:27] <paul__> dipnlik: it'S just that the professor i'm administrating the machine of wants a certain app (supercollider), which he says his home installation of kubuntu could find via synaptic, whereas i can't find it
[04:27] <kkathman> its not obscure
[04:27] <garux> they all never get the problem fixed, but its all older versions
[04:27] <garux> noting on the new kubuntu
[04:28] <raingrove> is anyone using kde 3.5 rc1
[04:28] <kkathman> raingrove: I think a few people are
[04:28] <raingrove> do u think i should give it a spin
[04:28] <kkathman> raingrove: I wouldnt, its still really buggy
[04:28] <dipnlik> paul__: compare your /etc/apt/sources.list with his, tell him to sudo apt-get update
[04:29] <kkathman> raingrove:  but if you are into beta testing and all that, feel free
[04:29] <paul__> dipnlik: ok... that'S what i thought about, too
[04:29] <raingrove> kkathman/ i guess i will try:
[04:29] <bl3ssing> how to unpack a file fromt he shell? I've this file marius.tgz in the tmp folder and I can't unpack it ... how can I do it ...?
[04:29] <kkathman> dipnlik: I suspect there may be 2 versions of ubuntu, and this package might have been in something other than a standard repo :)
[04:30] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: tar xvfz file.tgz
[04:30] <kkathman> bl3ssing: man tar
[04:30] <dipnlik> kkathman: hm, will look into mu sources.list
[04:30] <bl3ssing> kkathman: about google anyone knows ... if you know about flash plugin, why wouldn't you say anything? I'm not speaking personally to you, but to anyone who does know ... I really appreciate if they will say something ...
[04:30] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:30] <kkathman> bl3ssing: because you learn by reading and discovering
[04:31] <kkathman> bl3ssing: not by having someone get you the answer to everything
[04:31] <garux> ok this might be a rather silly question,  doe linux keep driver files organized in the same manner as windows does?
[04:31] <bl3ssing> not right kkathman; i used to teach students and ... they were pretty smart after I said to them things I had to ... not after letting them loosing time by searching ...
[04:31] <garux> blessing.
[04:31] <kkathman> garux: to an extent yes
[04:31] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you have no idea
[04:31] <garux> there are 2 ways to install the plugin, through the browser, and by downloading and installing the application
[04:32] <bl3ssing> thanks garux
[04:32] <bl3ssing> this was very simple
[04:32] <bl3ssing> how about the next commands?
[04:32] <bl3ssing> I'm a newbie ... in linux,not in windows.
[04:32] <dipnlik> bl3ssing: DIY :)
[04:32] <kkathman> bl3ssing: which you could have gotten had you simply looked at the wiki
[04:32] <bl3ssing> in windows i'm an expert.
[04:32] <garux> blessing, i myself am a newbie.
[04:32] <bl3ssing> LOL
[04:32] <raingrove> ble3ssing: what broser do u use
[04:32] <bl3ssing> mozilla
[04:32] <garux> but im would say that macromedia will have the info on their site
[04:32] <bl3ssing> raingrove: 
[04:33] <raingrove> bl3ssing, just go to any website that uses flash , then firefox will ask u whether u want flash installed
[04:33] <raingrove> click yes. and u are done
[04:33] <kkathman> raingrove: again correct, and thats in the wiki
[04:33] <bl3ssing> ok ... but macromedia doesn't have info only about the plugisn ... but about more things too ... how about the flash, swf, dreamweaver ... and so on.
[04:33] <bl3ssing> ;)
[04:33] <bl3ssing> really?
[04:33] <kkathman> bl3ssing: try the wiki next time and you might get the answer to your question without asking :)
[04:33] <bl3ssing> wow ... cool raingrove 
[04:33] <bl3ssing> thanks ... man/girl.
[04:33] <raingrove> bl3ssing, wiki's helpful, really
[04:34] <garux> flash comes as a plugin and as the actual application to create flash
[04:34] <bl3ssing> yeap, kkathman ... thanks for advicing. I know wiki... [ME]  just a little bit lazy
[04:34] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:34] <garux> the plugin lets you view flash files inside and outside your browser.
[04:34] <bl3ssing> I'm trying the easiest way of finding anythin.
[04:34] <garux> and take it from another linux newbie.
[04:34] <kkathman> bl3ssing: yes I suspected that...please try researching first
[04:34] <garux> you cant be lazy, you HAVE to read
[04:34] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you will learn more that way
[04:34] <bl3ssing> lol garux.
[04:34] <garux> or you will do a lot of reading...
[04:35] <garux> either way its all good.
[04:35] <garux> im not sure what iver learnt
[04:35] <bl3ssing> hey guys ... I know what you mean. I am a lazy boy! Nobody can take me off of my chair! :-)
[04:35] <bl3ssing> LOL
[04:35] <bl3ssing> great people ... thanks for advicing. Anything's welcome ... to me.
[04:35] <garux> so kathman, i have an idea on how to get the drivers into kubuntu
[04:35] <garux> would it work if i took the working drivers from fedora?
[04:35] <kkathman> garux: which drivers?
[04:35] <garux> for the wireless card.
[04:36] <garux> it works under fedora with no problems at all
[04:36] <kkathman> garux: uhm...maybe
[04:36] <bl3ssing> God bless [look at my nickname ... bl3ssing]  everyone! Love you guys.
[04:36] <kkathman> garux: I have heard that alien can read RPMs but I dont know that much about it
[04:36] <garux> well thats why i asked the question about driver folers
[04:37] <kkathman> garux: can you find out what driver you need and see if there is a deb?
[04:37] <garux> ive looked for 2 days
[04:37] <kkathman> garux: hmm
[04:37] <garux> but i know in windows. i can pull all the files out ofthe folder dump them in anotehr machine and it will install
[04:38] <garux> i just dont know how linux attaches itself to hardware, whether it uses the .inf and other files
[04:38] <garux> im really just thinking out loud.
[04:38] <raingrove> weird
[04:38] <kkathman> garux: try this?? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1310716#post1310716
[04:38] <raingrove> my wifi didnt wokr in fedora
[04:38] <garux> because i really want to give kubuntu a go, but its useless without that card working
[04:38] <raingrove> but it worked in ubuntu
[04:38] <raingrove> what card are u using
[04:39] <garux> wanna trade cards rain?
[04:39] <kkathman> raingrove: hes using a MN-520
[04:39] <raingrove> do sudo iwconfig and tell me if ur card is recognized
[04:39] <garux> im using an mn-520
[04:39] <garux> its not recognized at all
[04:39] <garux> i dont even have that installation anymore
[04:39] <kkathman> garux: try that link I just gave you
[04:39] <garux> im installing fedora 4 again to see if my theory is just a theory LOL
[04:40] <garux> thats the one i read before.
[04:40] <garux> it doesnt solve his problem
[04:40] <garux> mine is identical
[04:40] <garux> the computer SEES the card physically and gives it power
[04:40] <kkathman> I think there's definitely a prob if its not being detected
[04:40] <garux> and it even receives hits from the other wireless cards
[04:40] <garux> its just not seeing linux and making friends
[04:41] <garux> but rain, that card works perfectly in fedora 4
[04:41] <kkathman> is it on the main board or a PCMCIA ?
[04:41] <garux> it pulls almost 200k faster than my windoze laptop sitting right next to it
[04:41] <garux> pcmcia
[04:42] <garux> it runs the prism chipset
[04:42] <kkathman> dunno then
[04:42] <garux> i could throw it against the wall
[04:42] <arthurb> Hi, should something show up when I point konq to media:/
[04:42] <garux> but thats my windoze side coming out
[04:42] <garux> i told robotgeek last night
[04:42] <garux> i really would like to run buntu
[04:43] <garux> because i was born on the Isle of Man
[04:43] <garux> where canonical is based
[04:43] <garux> and id like to learn linux in a solid distro
[04:43] <garux> fedora 4 is fine, but a bit wicked on the eyes
[04:44] <raingrove> garux/ hmm
[04:44] <raingrove> is it a prism2 card
[04:45] <garux> in theory yes
[04:45] <garux> thats the chipset
[04:45] <raingrove> then it's supported
[04:45] <garux> but not during the install
[04:45] <garux> i did find one thing last night
[04:45] <garux> but.. i did a typical newbie ting
[04:46] <garux> i add myself to sudoer manually
[04:46] <garux> without making sure that root could login
[04:46] <garux> and closed myself out of the system
[04:46] <raingrove> why  do u do that
[04:46] <garux> and by that time it was 6 in the morning so i just gave up
[04:46] <garux> i did it because im new to linux, and am used to just having control of the machine
[04:47] <garux> fedora doesnt lock out the root by default
[04:47] <garux> i had read the sudo wiki for buntu but just wasnt thinking
[04:47] <raingrove> so u are on fc4?
[04:48] <garux> im on a windows machine now
[04:48] <garux> im installing another laptop next to me for linux
[04:48] <garux> the machine doesnt have anythign on it as of now.
[04:49] <garux> robotgeek asked me to come back today and ask a few more questions
[04:49] <garux> he hung in there with me for awhile last night...
[04:50] <kkathman> garux: ubuntu locks out the root for good reason actually
[04:51] <garux> i do understand that...
[04:51] <kkathman> garux: you can always deactivate it, but its not a good idea for the most part
[04:51] <garux> if this was a production or live machine i would avoid
[04:51] <garux> but i just want to get comfortable with the desktop before i start getting further in
[04:52] <kkathman> garux: theres an inherent safety in not having it,  too many problems are caused because someone forgot they were in root and did something very bad
[04:52] <garux> yah... but my staying out of the command line unless im doing someting specific makes me more concoious of what im doing.
[04:52] <kkathman> having to type "sudo" in front of something, makes you consciously aware of what you are doing
[04:52] <garux> it actually distracts me to a degree.
[04:53] <garux> when you are totally learning every command as you do it, its just another step you have to remember
[04:53] <kkathman> garux understand, but if you log on in root, doesnt matter if you are on the desktop or in CLI
[04:53] <garux> but this time around im going to stick with it
[04:54] <garux> what is confusing to me is using the sudo while im using gui applications.
[04:54] <kkathman> most people will say they are "experienced" enough, but I reserve that only to a very small minority of people, and all except for the ops here are NOT in that minority (including me)
[04:54] <garux> oh im experienced at breakin things
[04:54] <garux> and trying to put them back together
[04:55] <kkathman> garux: you shouldnt use sudo for gui apps, use kdesu
[04:55] <garux> yah, i caught on to that after i read the wiki
[04:55] <kkathman> ah ok
[04:56] <garux> but i still dont understand the process very well.. i was real tired last nigth when i was doing it
[04:56] <garux> does it hold your sudo in some sort of file so you can open other apps?
[04:56] <garux> or does it just point at each time you open a protected file?
[04:59] <garux> kathman, i thank you for your help.. .ill be back in a little later to talk to robot
[05:08] <_simon__> hi all
[05:08] <_simon__> i tried to get my laptop connected via wlan and WPA, i did everything like it is in the how to but it isn't working, can someone help me?
[05:19] <bl3ssing> how to install my flash plugin file
[05:19] <bl3ssing> ?
[05:19] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:22] <raingrove> does anyone have latency problems for sounds in Kubuntu?
[05:22] <bl3ssing> no, I had problems ... but not anymore raingrove 
[05:22] <bl3ssing> :)
[05:23] <bl3ssing> have you installed the gstream from the Adept?
[05:23] <raingrove> it doesnt happen in any other desktop environments
[05:23] <raingrove> it has nothing to do with gstream. 
[05:23] <bl3ssing> ok, what kind of pb do you have raingrove ?
[05:23] <bl3ssing> exactly ...?
[05:23] <raingrove> every system sounds play like 0.5 seconds after it's triggered
[05:24] <bl3ssing> how do I install flash ...? 
[05:24] <bl3ssing> wow ... I don't know what is happening ... raingrove
[05:24] <bl3ssing> that's a huge bug ...
[05:24] <bl3ssing> you should complain about it to the master of Kubuntu.... 
[05:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:24] <bl3ssing> they will probably fix that problem ...
[05:24] <raingrove> but i dont think others have the same problem
[05:24] <bl3ssing> I've never heard about i t...
[05:25] <bl3ssing> maybe you've some pbs with the sound card drivers?
[05:25] <bl3ssing> what kind of sound card do you have raingrove ?
[05:25] <sambagirl> you no can install flash 
[05:25] <sambagirl> ?
[05:25] <bl3ssing> you no can install flash ... LOL
[05:25] <bl3ssing> what do you mean ... be more exactly. 
[05:25] <bl3ssing> do you believe that I can't install the flash file or ... that I don't have to ... 
[05:25] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:25] <bl3ssing> ?
[05:25] <raingrove> it only happens with kubuntu, and only with kde on ubuntu.
[05:26] <sambagirl> i just reading what your saying for this. so i just asking 
[05:26] <raingrove> oth er distros are fine
[05:26] <sambagirl> here is a big questoin
[05:27] <sambagirl> i can do my own distro thing if i so desire, no?
[05:27] <sambagirl> where i can get source code so i can make my own linux version?
[05:28] <sambagirl> not all answer me at the same time please
[05:28] <raingrove> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[05:29] <bl3ssing> lol ...
[05:29] <sambagirl> ok 
[05:29] <bl3ssing> sambagirl ... you should fine info about the source code on the google.
[05:29] <bl3ssing> there's a planty of sites which offers you a lots of sources codes
[05:29] <bl3ssing> look into the linux.org ...
[05:29] <bl3ssing> and linux.com
[05:29] <bl3ssing> you'll find a lots of them.
[05:30] <sambagirl> i not using others mistakes, i make my own.
[05:30] <bl3ssing> strange raingrove ... 
[05:30] <bl3ssing> have you tried to the gnome?
[05:30] <bl3ssing> is it the same acting?
[05:30] <bl3ssing> or ...?
[05:30] <raingrove> it only happens in kubuntu i said
[05:30] <raingrove> hmm
[05:30] <bl3ssing> yeap, but kubuntu can have gnome / kde ... desktop environment ... right?
[05:30] <bl3ssing> so ... 
[05:31] <bl3ssing> I've asked you if you'll have the gnome one, will you have the same pb?
[05:31] <bl3ssing> cause ... it is differnet kde with gnome .. 
[05:32] <bl3ssing> how can use rar from windows in kubuntu?
[05:32] <raingrove> it only happens in kde
[05:33] <raingrove> i believe ark can unrar
[05:33] <raingrove> or u can use unrar
[05:33] <bl3ssing> it might be a bad configuration (a hardware one ...) fail ...
[05:33] <bl3ssing> unrar?
[05:33] <bl3ssing> where can I get this from?
[05:33] <bl3ssing> adept does it knows about it?
[05:34] <stich> bonjour a tous
[05:42] <v-dogg_> hmph.
[05:42] <v-dogg_> I still haven't found a good terminal for KDE
[05:45] <IcemanV9> what's wrong with kconsole?
[05:46] <Tm_T> it's Konsole
[05:46] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:46] <IcemanV9> well, pardon my spelling :P
[05:46] <v-dogg_> I'm so used to Putty/Nutty that I want to copy and paste easily with mouse
[05:47] <v-dogg_> and I don't like copying links, I want to click them
[05:47] <Tm_T> hah
[05:48] <Tm_T> nutty hyi
[05:48] <v-dogg_> woot?
[05:48] <v-dogg_> I like it :)
[05:48] <Tm_T> ja Konsole tukee ihan maalaa/keskinappi cpy/pastea
[05:48] <Tm_T> och samma p svenska
[05:49] <v-dogg_> how do I enable it?
[05:49] <Tm_T> what?
[05:49] <v-dogg_> copying is not enabled by default
[05:49] <Tm_T> it is
[05:49] <v-dogg_> nope, not to clipboard
[05:50] <v-dogg_> have to right click -> copy
[05:50] <v-dogg_> and secondly, laptop doesn't have middle button
[05:50] <Tm_T> btw finnish help: #ubuntu-fi or in ircnet: #ubuntu.fi && !kubuntu.fi
[05:50] <v-dogg_> oh, splendid
[05:50] <Tm_T> v-dogg_: well, primary selection AND clpboard are two different things
[05:50] <Tm_T> +i
[05:51] <v-dogg_> don't want them to be :)
[06:03] <frank23> antbody install todays new kernel? any problems?
[06:03] <Tm_T> haven't booted yet
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> v-dogg_: use klipper
[06:08] <ganymed> hallo
[06:08] <kkathman> howdy LeeJunFan :)
[06:08] <LeeJunFan> heya kkathman.
[06:08] <Tm_T> hi kkathman and LeeJunFan 
[06:08] <kkathman> hi there Tm_T :)
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> hi johnboy.
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> err, hi Tm_T :)
[06:09] <Tm_T> :p
[06:09] <Tm_T> should I rest or should I do html stuff
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> Only old guys like me would get that. :)
[06:09] <LeeJunFan> rest is for wusies.
[06:10] <Tm_T> maybe I take a long break ;)
[06:10] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: and old people like me
[06:10] <kkathman> You arent old LeeJunFan :)
[06:10] <kkathman> and Tm_T you certainly arent
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> I have to fight for the computer here at the nursing home to get on IRC.
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> :D
[06:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: what?! how dare you!
[06:11] <Tm_T> ;--P
[06:11] <kkathman> ugh ok..so your ancient then whatever makes you happy
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> I'm past 1/3 of the way to a century.
[06:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: thanks, son ;)
[06:11] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  Im over half :)
[06:11] <bl3ssing> how can use rar from windows in kubuntu?
[06:12] <Tm_T> and I'm older than you two together ;p
[06:12] <Tm_T> (I feel)
[06:12] <kkathman> bl3ssing: make sure you have a tool to unrar
[06:12] <Tm_T> anyway, sauna, coffee and rest rest rest ->
[06:13] <nalioth> bl3ssing: you cant. use unrar.nonfree from the repos
[06:14] <nalioth> bl3ssing: most windows zip clients can unzip tar, bz2, gz, rz, and other linux compression formats
[06:15] <Delvien> Hmm,, after i update Xorg is using 45 % of my CPU, anyone else experience this ?
[06:18] <ganymed> is there anything "strange" in the apache2 config about the usage of symlinks? 
[06:18] <kkathman> Delvien: it should be the predominant process yes
[06:19] <Delvien> what does that mean :P
[06:19] <Delvien> this is after a reboot...
[06:19] <kkathman> Delvien: but mine uses only about 6-16% most of the time
[06:20] <Delvien> mines now using 40% all the time..
[06:20] <Delvien> right after a update and a reboot
[06:20] <kkathman> Delvien: well right after boot it should be active more..but should settle down if you have enough memory and CPU power
[06:20] <Delvien> aye thats what im saying 10 mins in , and CPU usage is still at 79-90%
[06:21] <kkathman> Delvien: hmm thats abnormal I'd say
[06:22] <Delvien> yeah god d4mn updates lol
[06:22] <Delvien> :P
[06:22] <Delvien> teaches me not to do an update :(
[06:22] <kkathman> could still be updating in the background I guess
[06:22] <kkathman> Delvien: did you do the kernel upgrade in today's Adept?
[06:22] <Delvien> this is after a reboot hehe
[06:22] <Delvien> aye
[06:22] <kkathman> ouch...glad I didnt do that then :)
[06:23] <Delvien> now everything is slow...
[06:24] <Delvien> typeing is unresponsicve, this is a problem
[06:24] <kkathman> Delvien: did you do a soft or hard boot ?
[06:25] <Delvien> umm log off>restart
[06:25] <Delvien> i never just kick the power off
[06:27] <Delvien> this is disturbing.. why would they release a broken kernal
[06:27] <kkathman> I doubt that it is a broken kernal
[06:27] <Delvien> then why is it breaking my system
[06:27] <kkathman> perhaps there are other things going on?
[06:28] <Delvien> Thats the only thing i did . update and reboot, now everything is slow, my CPU is running at full throttle all the time, and CPU % is way up
[06:28] <skypa> Delvien, maybe updatedb munching your cpu? :)
[06:29] <Delvien> how do i check
[06:29] <kkathman> Delvien: are you in kubuntu?
[06:29] <Delvien> yes
[06:29] <skypa> ps fax | grep -c updatedb
[06:29] <bhsx> hi, I'm running the original kubuntu build.  When I try to login it starts to go to the WM, then kicks back out to XDM...  any thoughts?
[06:29] <Delvien> comes back "1"
[06:29] <kkathman> Delvien: then run ksysguard and look at your processes and see whats running
[06:29] <skypa> alright Delvien, then that's whats going on
[06:30] <Delvien> kkathman ksys doesnt show it, but top does show Xorg is taking 40%
[06:30] <skypa> a cronjob starts updatedb every day to index your hardrive
[06:30] <Delvien> skypa what do i do?
[06:30] <kkathman> skypa has the right answer
[06:30] <skypa> try a "sudo killall updatedb"
[06:30] <kkathman> I was going to have you do a TOP in konsole
[06:30] <Delvien> skypa will that hurt anything?
[06:30] <skypa> it should free up your cpu immediatly
[06:30] <skypa> no, it just stops the indexing for the time beeing
[06:30] <Delvien> ah
[06:31] <Delvien> no proc killed
[06:31] <kkathman> Delvien: you can go and reschedule that cron job to run like overnight when you are sleeping too
[06:31] <nalioth> skypa: IF it's updatecb.
[06:31] <nalioth> updatedb is usually run between 2 and 4 am local time
[06:31] <skypa> yeah, but I just remembered that ps fax | grep updatedb will also give back the grep :/
[06:31] <Delvien> kkathman im on a laptop, i dont leave it on overnight
[06:32] <nalioth> Delvien: then you may have updatedb run when you first start up
[06:32] <kkathman> Delvien: I leave my laptop on overnight
[06:32] <Delvien> nalioth how do i kill it then if killall updatedb doesnt work?
[06:33] <skypa> well, do a "top" first as kkathman suggested
[06:33] <skypa> let's see if it's really updatedb what uses most cpu time
[06:33] <Delvien> i did, Xorg is taking most of my cpu
[06:33] <skypa> how much is most?
[06:33] <Delvien> 40%
[06:33] <nalioth> Delvien: updatedb is NOT your problem
[06:34] <skypa> looks that way, yes
[06:34] <Delvien> this only happend after i did a update
[06:34] <Delvien> and rebooted
[06:34] <kkathman> probably not
[06:35] <Delvien> anyone have an idea?
[06:35] <kkathman> Delvien: can you look at your box and see if the disk is being accessed alot.. i.e like an LED etc ?
[06:35] <Delvien> aye about every second
[06:36] <Delvien> never done this before
[06:36] <Delvien> would it do that after a reboot?
[06:37] <kkathman> what does "top" report in a konsole?
[06:37] <nalioth> Delvien: give us a top 5 processes
[06:37] <Delvien> k sec
[06:38] <Delvien> Xorg, kded kicker superkaramba
[06:38] <Delvien> in order 40.5% 2.6% 2% and 0%
[06:40] <Delvien> doing a virus scan for chits and giggles
[06:40] <skypa> oO
[06:41] <Delvien> yeah i know.... dont even say it
[06:41] <skypa> maybe it's an ActiveX control going wild :p
[06:41] <Delvien> hmm
[06:41] <Delvien> shrug*
[06:41] <skypa> that's a joke *g*
[06:41] <Delvien> :(
[06:41] <Delvien> Xorg 68%
[06:42] <Delvien> CPU at 54 celc.. eww
[06:42] <Delvien> oh.. could be that its laying on my bed with the fan covered hehe 
[06:43] <Delvien> is there any form of malware for linux?
[06:43] <kkathman> not that I know of
[06:43] <kkathman> skypa:  lol
[06:44] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:44] <Delvien> hey
[06:45] <slow-motion> hi Delvien 
[06:45] <Delvien> nalioth any idears?
[06:45] <kkathman> 54C is only around 129F thats not out of spec at all...esp for an AMD chip
[06:45] <Delvien> intel. and i like my CPU 30 celc, 
[06:45] <kkathman> thats prolly not contributing to the prob tho
[06:46] <Delvien> 65 + gets dangerous
[06:46] <Delvien> o i know... i was just saying..
[06:46] <kkathman> most AMD's are rated ok to around 80-85C
[06:46] <Delvien> after this is done scanning ill try a reboot again
[06:46] <Delvien> thats crazy !
[06:46] <kkathman> course you dont wanna tempt that :)
[06:46] <Delvien> yeah
[06:47] <Delvien> you could have a very expensive heater on your hands :P
[06:47] <kkathman> but its not abnormal to see chips at 46-50C easy
[06:48] <kkathman> well within spec
[06:48] <Delvien> in windows mine barely reaches 30celc, surfing web, playing music
[06:48] <Delvien> fan on low low low
[06:48] <Delvien> barely hear it
[06:48] <kkathman> those are pretty low resources really...try compiling :) hehe
[06:48] <Delvien> but i dont like windows.. so i do all that kinda stuff here. :)) 
[06:49] <Delvien> my CPU in kubuntu stays at around 37 C
[06:49] <kkathman> I need a better fan...mine stays at around 46-50 never above
[06:50] <Delvien> what thermal glue do you have?
[06:50] <kkathman> whatever came with the CPU
[06:50] <Delvien> ah
[06:50] <kkathman> but its a stock fan
[06:50] <kkathman> I need to change out
[06:50] <Delvien> on a laptop correct?
[06:50] <kkathman> nono
[06:50] <kkathman> my desktop
[06:50] <Delvien> oh
[06:51] <Delvien> well while you are switching your fan, might as well apply some Arctic Silver 5 to your CPU/heatsink
[06:51] <kkathman> hehe nal
[06:52] <Delvien> brb gonna s=do a shut down , see if that helps
[06:59] <Delvien> its still doing it.. 
[06:59] <Delvien> GRRR
[07:03] <Delvien> any way of seeing what Xorg is doing?
[07:04] <nalioth> Delvien: use 'top' or ksysguard
[07:05] <kkathman> nalioth: but I dont think that tells him what Xorg is specifically doing
[07:05] <kkathman> just tells him what processes are running
[07:06] <kkathman> Delvien: what other applications are you running right now?
[07:06] <Delvien> nothing
[07:06] <Delvien> afk 10 mins
[07:07] <kkathman> you have no other things listed in ksysguard except Xorg?
[07:07] <ganymed> hi. is there a pentium m adapted precompiled ubuntu kernel inlcuding some precompiled modules like fglrx and so on?
[07:08] <kkathman> ganymed: probably not, you need to use the i386 I'd guess
[07:09] <ganymed> so everything by hand, i guess...
[07:09] <kkathman> ganymed: wont work with the 386 core?
[07:10] <ganymed> it does... but i tried a self-compiled trial kernel... runs better, at least subjectively
[07:11] <zyn> ganymed: tried apt-cache search fglrx yet? linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686 matches...
[07:11] <kkathman> I dont know of any distributions that are for Pentium M only
[07:12] <pussfeller> gentoo might have optimization flags for that
[07:12] <pussfeller> its hard to tell what makes gentoo faster, the gcc optimizations or not having a zillion deamons running in the background
[07:12] <ganymed> could have been, that there is an adapted kernel... and i am using fglrx, it's fine... i just wanted to get around its nasty compilation process....
[07:13] <ganymed> about speed: has anybody ever compared win* with kubuntu, for example... i have both here, and though i like kubuntu more, my win* is considerably faster...
[07:14] <skypa> define "faster"
[07:15] <ganymed> well, starting and shutting down, of course. and also during normal work. somehow, my linux system is "lacking" a bit. i mean, it looks ways better than win*, but it reacts very slowly, even with 1800 MHz...
[07:15] <ganymed> lagging, sorry
[07:16] <nalioth> ganymed: linux is not a 'user" OS, it is designed to start once and stay going for months and years at a time
[07:16] <skypa> I pushed my boot time from bios to login screen to around 20 seconds
[07:17] <pussfeller> i think windows gets more bang for the buck 
[07:17] <ganymed> with initng? or with a "linux-bios"?
[07:17] <skypa> there is no such thing as a "linux bios" :p
[07:17] <ganymed> i know that. i can deal with that. but kde is designed to be a user frontend...
[07:17] <pussfeller> at least initially, it seems like after a bit of actual use and installation of programs, windows starts slowing down
[07:17] <skypa> I just used bootchart to examine what exactly happens during boot and turned a few things off
[07:17] <ganymed> you know what i mean...
[07:18] <ganymed> bootchart... i have to keep that in mind.
[07:19] <pussfeller> what is the services editor called
[07:19] <pussfeller> or the init editor
[07:19] <ganymed> and also... when i start some admin progs... nothing happens sometimes. i click again, and it works...
[07:20] <skypa> I personally think the default (k)ubuntu installation is far from perfect
[07:20] <skypa> it needed a sh*tload of tweaking to fully fit my preferences
[07:21] <ganymed> but do also have this "double starting". just a moment ago i started adept-updater... and nothing happened, just loading. i start it again, and it works.
[07:21] <skypa> but oh well, that might just be my personal perception :)
[07:22] <pussfeller> what is bootchart
[07:22] <pussfeller> or where
[07:23] <skypa> bootchart is a tool, that is started through an appendix to the kernel boot parameters
[07:23] <ganymed> i have asked myself the same question
[07:23] <skypa> it starts init
[07:23] <skypa> and then examines what processes do and how long they do it at boot time
[07:23] <skypa> pretty nifty tool, but as far as I can see "only" available in the debian repository
[07:24] <ganymed> has anybody tried initng on a debian machine?
[07:24] <skypa> but it should install fine in ubuntu :)
[07:25] <ganymed> ok, got to go. ciao. thx a lot
[07:26] <slicslak> anyone know of a gui frontend for pppoe (adsl)?
[07:48] <Delvien> back
[07:49] <Delvien> kkathman does it matter that my machine is running i686? instead of 386? 
[07:50] <Delvien> not on anymore okie...
[07:50] <Delvien> nalioth does that matter?
[07:50] <nalioth> Delvien: it shouldnt matter at all
[07:50] <Delvien> kk
[07:50] <Delvien> this is frustrating...
[07:50] <Delvien> i cant figure it out
[07:51] <kkathman> Delvien: no it shouldnt matter
[07:52] <Delvien> omg
[07:52] <Delvien> it was super karamba
[07:52] <Delvien> the intevals were too low i guess
[07:53] <kkathman> what kinds of things are you running in SK?
[07:53] <Delvien> i made my own theme, its a system monitor, 
[07:53] <Delvien> guess its just too much info on one thing..
[07:54] <Delvien> shut down SK and it goes down to 1.7% for Xorg CPU 
[07:55] <kkathman> Hmm Failed to mention that before Delvien?? Hmm
[07:55] <kkathman> Delvien: However Im running 2 SK applets and im still only using a total of about 4% CPU
[07:55] <Delvien> well SK was only taking 3% before.. all the code inside the .theme must be run by Xorg.
[07:55] <Delvien> kkathman my theme has a crapload of stuff on it ,
[07:56] <nalioth> Delvien: you have to pay for your eye candy
[07:56] <Delvien> aye
[07:56] <Delvien> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31038
[07:57] <Delvien> guess i have to make a "lite" version
[08:05] <_divan> Hey everyone! Does anyone know if there is a frontend to control an pppoe/adsl connection? I'm using pppoeconf to dial but its not great because not very user friendly for my mom.Any ideas?
[08:06] <skypa_> what about KPPP ?
[08:06] <FastElbow> on gnome no but kppp works fine on the kde[17:36]  <EngiBenchi> online
[08:06] <skypa_> well, this is #kubuntu, I assume he uses kde :p
[08:07] <FastElbow> oops
[08:09] <_divan> skype:I've tried KPPP but it only does dialup modems not pppoe connections(i think)... :(
[08:09] <_divan> hehe
[08:12] <skypa_> oh, sorry then _divan :/
[08:12] <_divan> Anyone? Its seems wierd they have good dialup support for modems but not pppoe connections? Darn :/
[08:16] <Delvien> hmm seems icons and background screens is what takes su much CPU power... wierd
[08:17] <sampan> divan, once the dsl connection is configured, isn't it just pon dsl-provider at CLI? 
[08:24] <Delvien> nalioth it was the background of the theme that took so much CPU .. i dont know why, you would think that would be a simple enough task to do.. display a .png
[08:26] <nalioth> mighta been a non standard png 
[08:27] <Delvien> yeah had a border and stuff, was transarency 50%
[08:32] <jocho> amigos de kubuntu, alghuien sabe como instalar flah para konqueror?
[08:33] <kkathman> jocho: Ingles solomente por favor
[08:34] <apokryphos> Spanish?
[08:34] <kkathman> yes
[08:35] <Tm_T> muy bien
[08:35] <kkathman> jocho: por Espanol, #kubuntu-es
[08:35] <jocho> ok
[08:35] <jocho> thanks
[08:35] <kkathman> :)
[08:42] <jocho> i can't connect kubuntu-es
[08:42] <jocho> can you help a newbie?
[08:43] <cvardar> is there a list of repositiories? or anybody know a repository in ukraine?
[08:43] <kkathman> please ask your question and we'll try
[08:43] <jocho> ok, i have a trouble in konkeror with flash plug in .... sorry for may english...
[08:44] <kkathman> jocho, your english is better than my spanish
[08:45] <FastElbow>  /join #kubuntu-se
[08:45] <cvardar> anybody can tell be abou repository addresses?
[08:45] <kkathman> cvardar: I dont know if there are ukranian repos
[08:45] <jpatrick> FastElbow: it's #kubuntu-es
[08:46] <jpatrick> hi kkathman
[08:46] <kkathman> hi jpatrick :)
[08:46] <FastElbow> thnx
[08:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cvardar about easysource
[08:46] <kkathman> jocho what kind of problem do you have with flash in Konqueror?
[08:46] <jocho> i istalled the flash whith adept and in konqueror put found for new plugins, but it dosen't read any new
[08:47] <jocho> kubuntu-es is down
[08:48] <jpatrick> jocho: no it isn't
[08:49] <cvardar> i am looking for a debian package to download to connect to vpn. i need it before i will install kubuntu, because i wil not be able to access internet without vpn. any advises?
[08:49] <jocho> it says connection failed, trying to reconect
[08:49] <kkathman> jocho you can see the flash player under "plugins" in your Konqueror setup?
[08:50] <jocho> no
[08:51] <jocho> only netscape plgin
[08:52] <kkathman> jocho what happens when you scan for plugins?
[08:52] <jocho> it take only few seconds but any new things found
[08:52] <nalioth> todo el comienzo de los canales del IRC con #
[08:52] <kkathman> that netscape plugin should show something like a path + libflashplayer.so
[08:53] <kkathman> if Konqueror doesnt see that, then you didnt get it installed
[08:53] <jocho> ok, i dont knew that... thanks, kubuntu-es show up
[08:53] <kkathman> muy bueno nalioth :)
[08:54] <jocho> as i said i'am really new in this stuff
[08:54] <jocho> thanks
[08:55] <gerardocb> it's me, or Yahoo! messenger isn't working in Kopete?
[08:55] <jpatrick> gerardocb: blame it on the server
[08:55] <gerardocb> Uh?
[08:56] <jpatrick> the yahoo server
[08:56] <gerardocb> sure
[08:57] <gerardocb> I just want to know if it's a problem of me, or it's a protocol issue
[08:57] <nalioth> somos todos nuevos en algo
[08:58] <gerardocb> Ok... let me ask again:
[08:58] <whoiam55> hello
[08:58] <jpatrick> whoiam55: hello there
[08:58] <gerardocb> Does somebody has (since today) problems with Yahoo Messenger on Kopete?
[08:59] <kkathman> nalioth: verdad :)
[08:59] <jpatrick> tu lo puedes!!!
[08:59] <whoiam55> hi patrick, I just finished patching my kernel, seems faster. is there any kind of banchmark available for testing kernel performance ?
[09:00] <jpatrick> :/
[09:00] <whoiam55> I mean to say testing system performance :p
[09:08] <marie> j #kubuntu-fr
[09:10] <stupid_computer> my mplayer plugin wont play half the vids i try to stream, i have to open mplayer and load the vid from my tmp dir to get it to play,any clue on how to fix it?
[09:42] <claudiu> hello guys
[09:42] <Aapzak> lo
[09:42] <claudiu> is there a bug in latest debtags package in dapper ?
[09:42] <nalioth> claudiu: yes, there is
[09:43] <claudiu> hm nalioth is there really ? 
[09:43] <nalioth> claudiu: you are not the first to notice
[09:43] <claudiu> nalioth: okay so what do we have to do ?
[09:44] <nalioth> claudiu: but you have no room to complain, dapper is very early in the release cycle and is going to get more broken b4 it smooths out
[09:44] <claudiu> nalioth: more broken ????
[09:44] <claudiu> why is that ?
[09:45] <nalioth> claudiu: friend, dapper development just started about 4 weeks ago
[09:45] <nalioth> claudiu: it is very beta stuff
[09:45] <nalioth> claudiu: you use it, you find bugs, you search bugzilla.ubuntu.com for the bug, and if it's not there , you add it
[09:46] <claudiu> nalioth: i hope it gets better not worst
[09:46] <claudiu> nalioth: i think its a packaging problem not a software thing
[09:46] <claudiu> nalioth: i mean the debtags
[09:46] <nalioth> claudiu: search for and/or file a bug
[09:47] <claudiu> nalioth: if i stick to breezy i cant get latest software, can i ?
[09:47] <jjesse> what do you mean by latest software claudiu 
[09:48] <claudiu> jjesse: i mean most fresh xine and stuff
[09:48] <nalioth> claudiu: ubuntu releases a stable distro every 6 months, how new do you need your stuff?
[09:48] <jjesse> agree nalioth 
[09:48] <jjesse> breezy already has packages for kde 3.5 rc1
[09:48] <jjesse> you want newwer then that?
[09:49] <claudiu> nalioth: well i would like something like gentoo ~x86
[09:49] <nalioth> claudiu: backports will be filling in shortly
[09:50] <claudiu> hey jjesse how come i dont get those kde35 even if i update daily to dapper ?
[09:51] <claudiu> nalioth: teach me pls how to revert to breezy - I WANT KDE35
[09:52] <nalioth> claudiu: i'm afraid there is no way to revert. you can resize a partition and install breezy and move your personal data over from the dapper partition,tho
[09:53] <BlankC> !pastebin
[09:53] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:54] <claudiu> nalioth: i eliminated all dapper lines in sources.lst and did update, waiting now to see what happens
[09:55] <nalioth> claudiu: i expect you to have a mucked system
[09:57] <claudiu> nalioth: hope not :(
[09:58] <claudiu> nalioth: are there any updates for breezy anymore, until dapper gets official ?
[09:59] <nalioth> claudiu: officially, there are security updates. backports will be available soon
[09:59] <jjesse> breezy should be updated as bugs/issues are solved as far as i know
[10:00] <claudiu> jjesse: i mean if mplayer or koffice has a new release will i see it in breezy or i must wait for dapper ?
[10:00] <Chousuke> wait, or install backports.
[10:00] <nalioth> claudiu: you may see lots of things in backports
[10:00] <enrique> HI all
[10:01] <enrique> I need some help
[10:01] <claudiu> nalioth: ok i got it now
[10:01] <enrique> somebody know how to uninstall kde 3.5 and retorn to kde stable
[10:01] <enrique> ?
[10:02] <claudiu> nalioth: in case of reinstalling kubuntu , i want to avoid downloading again most packages. What should I save from root partition ?
[10:05] <nalioth> claudiu: there is not much to save, except your home directory data
[10:11] <ilreds> hi
[10:12] <ilreds> i have problems with amule
[10:13] <ilreds> when i start amule, after phew minutes it crash with this log: can't write to file descriptor 15 (error 5: Input/output error)   info: Could not create backup of '/media/archivio/temp/004.part.met' (error 5: Input/output error)
[10:14] <Knowerrors> Hi all, when you're at a tty console and do ps -aux or ls, and the list is too long to view on one page, how do you make the output one page at a time?
[10:14] <skypa> pipe it to less
[10:14] <skypa> ps fax | less
[10:14] <kkathman> Knowerrors: pip with less
[10:14] <skypa> ls | less
[10:14] <kkathman> hehe
[10:15] <skypa> fast, faster, skypa
[10:15] <skypa> :p
[10:15] <kkathman> lol
[10:15] <skypa> heh
[10:15] <kkathman> just washed my hands tho and couldnt do anything with em
[10:16] <skypa> was nice to see that less has been included in ubuntu btw.. debian still sticks with "more" by default
[10:18] <Knowerrors> skypa: thx, just tried | less , someone in ubuntu suggested | more , which seems nicer
[10:18] <skypa> more seems nicer?
[10:18] <Knowerrors> the display is easier to read
[10:18] <Knowerrors> format
[10:19] <skypa> *mumble.mumble*
[10:20] <Knowerrors> actually, they both seem bout the same... can anybody tell me why more or less is better than each other
[10:21] <skypa> Less is a program similar to more (1), but which allows  backward  movement
[10:21] <skypa>        in  the file as well as forward movement.  Also, less does not have to read
[10:21] <skypa>        the entire input file before starting, so with large input files it  starts
[10:21] <skypa>        up faster than text editors like vi (1)
[10:21] <skypa> (c) man less
[10:21] <skypa> ;)
[10:22] <Phantom^^> Hi can someone help me I have a few problems i would like to fix :D
[10:22] <Knowerrors> nice, like that backward moving ability :)
[10:22] <skypa> shoot Phantom :>
[10:23] <skypa> bloody root :p
[10:25] <Phantom^^> ok
[10:25] <Phantom^^> first off the easy one
[10:25] <Phantom^^> I think i have forgotten my password for kdewallet
[10:25] <Phantom^^> is there anyway i can reset kdewallet to start from scratch ?
[10:25] <arthurb> Hi, can konq recursively download a website ?
[10:26] <Phantom^^> me = dumb with linux lol
[10:27] <toby> Does anyone know a way to monitor the throughput on the USB bus whilst I copy a file to SD Card?
[10:27] <toby> (via cardreader)
[10:28] <Phantom^^> I think I have solved it
[10:29] <chaoticgeek> arg
[10:29] <chaoticgeek> 45 min till I leave
[10:30] <Phantom^^> Ok heres my second problem I'm in university halls and I have an http proxy and i think some others that I have to use but i'm sick of entering them into various programs and doing export http_proxy everytime I want to do apt-get etc... Is there anyway I can kind of globally set kde or linux as a hole to use the same proxies so I don't have to keep doing the above?
[10:33] <robotgeek> Phantom^^: you can put it in your .bashrc
[10:33] <Knowerrors> skypa: any ideas why KsCD autoplay would stop working?
[10:33] <skypa> kde 3.5?
[10:34] <Knowerrors> 3.4
[10:34] <skypa> mh, I don't know what handled the autplay in 3.4, sorry
[10:35] <skypa> +o
[10:35] <Knowerrors> all I did was edit "/etc/ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml" to remove konq auto-open feature
[10:35] <Knowerrors> per this thread: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1187.0
[10:36] <Knowerrors> disabled the konq part in that file, but left the kscd part unchanged
[10:39] <Phantom^^> one question can people actually see what i'm typing cos i'm not even sure I have irc working correctly?
[10:44] <_pierre> salut!
[10:46] <skypa> anyone got a nvidia twindisplay setup here?
[10:46] <skypa> I was wondering how to change gamma for each monitor
[10:46] <tiky> nvidia driver?
[10:46] <skypa> si senor
[10:47] <tiky> ( i am french :) ) : you go to www.nvidia.com for dl nvidia driver for linux
[10:48] <skypa> er, I'm using the binary drivers already and it works fine
[10:48] <raphink> tiky: if you're french, you can join #kubuntu-fr :)
[10:48] <papo> hello everyone.  I have tried to update my kubuntu and this is what happened:
[10:48] <skypa> just my shabby left monitor is way too dark, and I didn't find a way to adjust the gamma seperatly yet :/
[10:48] <tiky> else you install deb nvidia in synaptic
[10:48] <papo> papo> /var/cache/apt/archives/xrgb_0.99.0-5_i386.deb
[10:48] <papo> [22:46]  <papo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:49] <tiky> oh oki
[10:49] <tiky> config with nvidia-settings
[10:49] <papo> any idea to solve this?
[10:50] <skypa> tried.. just lets me change the gamma for both monitory the same amount
[10:50] <tiky> papo what is command?
[10:50] <tiky> what is your command?
[10:50] <tiky> dpkg....
[10:51] <papo> no apt-get
[10:51] <l3m> papo: paste the whole error into kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:51] <papo> dist-upgrade
[10:51] <benkong2> I have a home server with a dyndns ip do I really want a DNS server? I need help understanding why or why not?
[10:52] <tikyfr> skypa??
[10:52] <tikyfr> it's ok?
[10:52] <skypa> I wish ;)
[10:52] <skypa> nope, nvidia-settings does not let me change the gamma for _each_ monitor
[10:52] <tikyfr> euh wish??? lol :)
[10:53] <tikyfr> oki
[10:53] <skypa> see what my problem is? :)
[10:53] <tikyfr> i am very bad in english lol very sorru
[10:53] <tikyfr> sorry
[10:54] <tikyfr> bye
[10:54] <skypa> I don't mind.. my french isn't to good either :p
[10:57] <Blissex> benkong2: you don't really need a home DNS server, your ISP's usually is good enough.
[10:58] <benkong2> Blissex, ok thanks I was trying to decide got kubuntu installed and using the ispconfig docs
[10:58] <benkong2> Blissex, I think I can leave it out and do just fine
[10:59] <Blissex> benkong2: yes, most people do leave it out.
[10:59] <benkong2> Blissex, alright now if I can get the rest of it up and running i'll be happy
[11:07] <Phantom^^> hey can someone help me set up kubuntu to work with a university http proxy ?
[11:12] <jocho> help with flash versus konqueror
[11:12] <jocho> still can't tune up
[11:28] <Lightcycler> If you ask konqueror to "edit a file in kate" for example (where that file is on an FTP connection), and by the time kate gets around to opening it, the temporary local file has already been deleted by something, what might be the problem?
[11:35] <Juerd> Lightcycler: I have no idea, but I experience the same thing. Highly annoying.
[11:37] <Blissex> Phantom^^: usually you set up individual browsers for that, usually there is a menu for that.
[11:37] <Blissex> Phantom^^: like in Konqueror
[11:38] <Phantom^^> yeah
[11:39] <Phantom^^> I was thinking of trying to do it in like some linux user config file so It does it blanket for everything, it saves complications and muddles etc
[11:41] <red-sox_away> hi
[11:41] <Red-Sox> ksmoothdock isnt exactly working for me
[11:42] <Red-Sox> when I magnify, it er....well....it shows.....its hard to explain
[11:43] <nalioth> Red-Sox: it is beta software. you are on your own
[11:43] <Red-Sox> nalioth, hmph
[11:43] <nalioth> Red-Sox: you can tweak the prefs and get rid of that "'it's hard to explain" effect
[11:43] <nalioth> Red-Sox: right click on it
[11:43] <Red-Sox> nalioth, no, iv got that
[11:44] <Red-Sox> nalioth, ill give u a screenshot
[11:45] <nalioth> Red-Sox: if it doesnt refresh properly when you roll over it, i know what it looks like
[11:45] <Red-Sox> nalioth, oh, that is the problem
[11:45] <nalioth> Red-Sox: right clck on the prefs and change the config
[11:46] <Red-Sox> k
[11:47] <Red-Sox> nalioth, what setting is it?
[11:47] <kkathman> Red-Sox: mine is fine...dont choose parabolic
[11:47] <Red-Sox> kkathman, it quote from nalioth: doesnt refresh properly
[11:49] <Knowerrors> anybody know of a kde window decoration thats super small or hideable?
[11:50] <Knowerrors> want to get rid of that title bar and buttons, or at least make em tiny thin
[11:51] <Flixor-> you could always hide the window decoration 
[11:51] <Red-Sox> nalioth, how do you change it?
[11:51] <Flixor-> click with right on the window decoration 
[11:51] <Flixor-> and there is an option hide 
[11:52] <nalioth> Red-Sox: right click on the bar and uncheck parabolic, like kkathman said
[11:52] <Red-Sox> oohhh
[11:52] <kkathman> Red-Sox: mine works fine, exept occasionally the graphics get smeared with other windows..just keep all your other windows above it
[11:53] <Red-Sox> I GIVE UP!
[11:53] <Red-Sox> its no good
[11:53] <Red-Sox> on my computer
[11:53] <kkathman> Red-Sox: do you have a 686 computer?
[11:54] <Knowerrors> Flixer, I cant find that where to hide them
[11:54] <nalioth> Red-Sox: it's no good on any computer, cuz it's very very rough software
[11:54] <kkathman> nalioth: it works fine on my box :)
[11:54] <Knowerrors> what do you mean right click on window decoration, you mean on the titlebar?
[11:54] <kkathman> Im using it exclusively now
[11:56] <Flixor-> yes Knowerrors 
[11:56] <Flixor-> and then go to advance Knowerrors and there is the option 
[11:56] <neoncode> Hey... 3D and any kind of 2D accelaration on my linux machene only works on one monitor (I have a dual-head setup) and is slow and crappy.
[11:56] <neoncode> Any advice?
[11:56] <Knowerrors> Flixor-: you mean "no border"?
[11:57] <Flixor-> yes Knowerrors, or was that not what you meant
[11:57] <Knowerrors> yeah, thats great... is there a way to enable that permanently/universally on all new programs/windows?
[11:58] <Red-Sox> kkathman, 686? what is that?
[11:58] <Flixor-> ehm 
[11:59] <kkathman> Red-Sox: when you did your checkinstall, if you have a 686, powerpc or 64-bit, and you dont tell the checkinstall, that could be problems.
[11:59] <Flixor-> ehm that i dont know Knowerrors, but if you set it for an application it will stay even if you reboot, but only for that application
[12:00] <Knowerrors> nice, so just set it once for each app and it will stay that way til I change it back, thx
[12:00] <Red-Sox> kkathman, er...right