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zul | mjg59: hmm...i already have a patch for rtl8180 in my tree and i have pushed it to ben already | 02:16 |
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fabbione | morning guys | 07:02 |
crimsun | hi fabbione | 07:09 |
fabbione | hi crim | 07:09 |
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LaschW | may there be a chance to have the ipt_TTL module (I'm not talking about ipt_ttl) in the next kernel images for dapper? There are more and more ISP's who don't allow more than one computer conected so manglint TTL's to a fix value would be very helpfull. | 12:12 |
LaschW | s/manglint/mangling/ | 12:13 |
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LaschW | fabbione: $IPT -t mangle -A OUTPUT -o $INET_IFACE -j TTL --ttl-set 128 | 12:28 |
fabbione | still doesn't help... | 12:28 |
LaschW | fabbione: Most ISP's only check TTL, so up to now | 12:28 |
LaschW | fabbione: ?Why not? | 12:29 |
fabbione | according to RFC the max internet radius is 30 | 12:29 |
fabbione | or better | 12:29 |
fabbione | there cannot be more than 30 hops between 2 hosts | 12:29 |
fabbione | if an ISP doesn't allow more than one machine to connect | 12:30 |
fabbione | it's clearly not TTL that's going to help you | 12:30 |
fabbione | because each machine generate it's own packet with its own TTL | 12:30 |
fabbione | so that rule would only increase/reset a TTL to 128 | 12:31 |
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CataEnry | hi all | 12:31 |
LaschW | fabbione: And this 'per machine' TTL's will be set to the same value on a gateway using ipt_TTL | 12:31 |
mjg59 | fabbione: ISPs can drop packets with a TTL of 28 when they expect it to be 29 | 12:31 |
fabbione | mjg59: when you traverse a NAT box, TTL is regenerated in the new pkt afaik | 12:32 |
LaschW | fabbione: And for this there is a need for the ipt_TTL module, as RH does | 12:32 |
fabbione | it's easy to workaround at client side ;) | 12:32 |
fabbione | i could just 'mangle' the outgoing packet to a TTL 30 and zack | 12:33 |
fabbione | i hide the other boxes behind one | 12:33 |
fabbione | but well.. let see what Ben has to say | 12:33 |
LaschW | fabbione: Thats what I'm talking about. You need ipt_TTL for this | 12:33 |
fabbione | LaschW: so you need to workaround... | 12:34 |
LaschW | fabbione: I now how to do this! But I think most Ubuntu Newbies don't. According the fact that the target group of Ubuntu are new Linux Users... | 12:35 |
LaschW | fabbione: Or are you expecting new Ubuntu users to build their own kernel modules first? ;-) | 12:36 |
fabbione | LaschW: i find weird that's not builded | 12:37 |
LaschW | fabbione: Pardon my broken english... What do you mean with 'i find weird that's not builded' | 12:38 |
fabbione | according to iptables man page it's there | 12:38 |
fabbione | meaning that's supported by vanilla kernel | 12:38 |
fabbione | config:CONFIG_IP_NF_MATCH_TTL=m | 12:39 |
fabbione | config:CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL=m | 12:39 |
fabbione | werid | 12:39 |
fabbione | weird | 12:39 |
LaschW | fabbione: Hhhm, In the beginning I muddled ipt_nat and ipt_NAT. And it seems many docs do so likewise... | 12:40 |
LaschW | fabbione: Ubuntu linux-image is missing 'config:CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TTL=m' | 12:42 |
fabbione | LaschW: the past i did was from .15 | 12:42 |
LaschW | fabbione: So does Debian... | 12:42 |
LaschW | fabbione: grep IPT /boot/config-2.6.12-9-k7 | 12:43 |
fabbione | interesting | 12:44 |
fabbione | it looks like it gets automatically unset | 12:44 |
fabbione | fun | 12:44 |
LaschW | fabbione: s/IPT/TTL/ pardon me... | 12:44 |
fabbione | yeah i got that | 12:44 |
LaschW | fabbione: I've been digging netfilter mailing lists if there might be any incompatibility using ipt_nat and ipt_NAT at the same time, but dindn't find any. | 12:46 |
CataEnry | cya next time | 12:52 |
fabbione | LaschW: it makes more sense to look at Kconfig | 12:53 |
fabbione | but i don't have time right now | 12:53 |
LaschW | fabbione: Kconfig, the KDE GUI Tool? | 12:54 |
fabbione | no | 12:54 |
fabbione | Kconfig the set of files that acutally build the kernel :) | 12:54 |
fabbione | the KDE tool is make xconfig | 12:54 |
fabbione | gnome: make gconfig | 12:54 |
LaschW | fabbione: Ok, I was a bit shocked, to be honest. :-)) | 12:55 |
LaschW | fabbione: I had in mind this weird Kcontrol kernel config module *laugh* | 12:56 |
fabbione | tsk | 12:56 |
fabbione | :P | 12:56 |
LaschW | fabbione: :P, fullack | 12:57 |
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chmj | the current kernel source in git is unbuildable? or am I missing something ? | 01:01 |
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zul | mjg59: ping | 03:11 |
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mjg59 | zul: Hi | 03:20 |
zul | mjg59: i already wrote a patch for rtl8180 i already pushed it to benc | 03:34 |
mjg59 | zul: Ok, cool | 03:34 |
zul | so it will get in when it gets in | 03:50 |
BenC | zul: speaking of the rtl8180, can you email me the external-driver info for it? | 03:58 |
BenC | I have all your patches in locally, except that one | 03:58 |
BenC | I need to clean it up a little, since it's building with a local copy of ieee80211, and I need to make it use the stock one from net/ieee80211 | 03:59 |
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dilinger | there's an rtl8180 driver? | 04:00 |
dilinger | url? | 04:01 |
BenC | sf I believe | 04:01 |
dilinger | oh, look at that, partly based on my code | 04:02 |
dilinger | too bad i don't have an rtl8180 anymore | 04:04 |
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zul | BenC: ok ill do it tonight | 04:17 |
fabbione | hey BenC | 04:19 |
BenC | fabbione: hey | 04:19 |
fabbione | smoking break and i will be back in a sec | 04:19 |
fabbione | btw.. .15-rc2 boots on davem box | 04:19 |
BenC | puff one for me | 04:19 |
fabbione | we must be doing something wrong | 04:19 |
BenC | it's too cold and wet to smoke outside | 04:20 |
BenC | ok | 04:20 |
BenC | for sparc64, I used our old config, and did a "make oldconfig" to update it | 04:20 |
BenC | I should do a default config just to see if that works | 04:20 |
fabbione | it's freezing here.. but if i smoke inside i can wave khtxbye to my testicles | 04:20 |
dilinger | BenC: where are you? | 04:21 |
BenC | virginia | 04:21 |
BenC | I should make my office the "smoking room" | 04:21 |
BenC | but I hate all the nicotine getting on my hw | 04:22 |
BenC | s/nicotine/tar/ | 04:22 |
dilinger | ah, ok. not that far away | 04:23 |
BenC | zul: ping | 04:42 |
zul | pong | 04:50 |
BenC | ping: any bugreport to reference for the ali patch? | 05:00 |
BenC | tulip patch that is | 05:00 |
mjg59 | http://www.ath-driver.org/ is looking quite promising | 05:07 |
makx | anyone seen infinity? | 05:09 |
mjg59 | makx: He's quite possibly asleep right now | 05:09 |
makx | aah ok | 05:09 |
makx | mjg59: you fixed suspend for sesse's laptop. do you send fix upstream? | 05:10 |
mjg59 | makx: Not yet, because I'm not convinced it's the right fix | 05:10 |
mjg59 | Need to discuss it with PCMCIA upstream | 05:10 |
makx | ok, cool so it's rolling | 05:10 |
zul | BenC: yeah there is..just dont remmber off the top of my head, ill have to check | 05:21 |
BenC | zul: btw, gregkh has a speakup patch I am going to use instead of yours | 05:23 |
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zul | BenC: he does? cool.. | 05:24 |
BenC | fabbione: A defconfig compile with our tree doesn't boot for me | 05:48 |
BenC | fabbione: I'm going to have to do a stock 2.6.15-rc2 compile to see if I broke something, but I can't see that being the case | 05:48 |
BenC | 99% of the code we introduced either doesn't touch sparc64, or is just drivers that are being compiled modular right now | 05:49 |
mjg59 | BenC: Are all the patches from 2.6.12 in the git tree? | 05:56 |
mjg59 | BenC: Also, ndiswrapper is completely broken on amd64 | 06:06 |
BenC | ndiswrapper never did work properly on amd64 in breezy, IIRC | 06:19 |
BenC | all patches from breezy (except a lot of acpi, and patches that were obsoleted) are in | 06:20 |
BenC | also, minus the sk98lin patch | 06:20 |
BenC | rtl8180 may be a no go in breezy | 06:20 |
BenC | it's using it's own internal ieee80211 stack, and it isn't playing well with the rest of the system | 06:21 |
dilinger | any idea whether the original author reverse engineered the management frames stuff, or got some documentation? | 06:24 |
mjg59 | BenC: ndiswrapper worked fine on amd64 in Breezy | 06:26 |
mjg59 | We're missing at least the patch that fixes the clock on AMD64s with ATI chipsets | 06:26 |
mjg59 | BenC: I'll look into the rtl8180 thing at some stage | 06:26 |
BenC | mjg59: last release from the project was 7 months ago | 06:27 |
BenC | mjg59: do you have a patch name for the amd64? | 06:27 |
dilinger | if someone can hook me up w/ an rtl8180 card, and i don't need to reverse engineer the mgmt frame stuff (that's why i stopped working on rtl8180 in the first place), i'm more than happy to start hacking away at the driver again | 06:28 |
mjg59 | BenC: Not off the top of my head. | 06:29 |
BenC | mjg59: clokc == video clock, or hw clock? | 06:29 |
mjg59 | HW clock | 06:30 |
mjg59 | It gets two timer interrupts per HZ | 06:30 |
BenC | kernel-apic-timer-fix | 06:31 |
mjg59 | That's the one | 06:31 |
BenC | that was still broken for me in breezy | 06:31 |
mjg59 | Uhm. How so? | 06:32 |
BenC | it needs to be applied to i386 for k8 chipsets too (like Sempron, which isn't 64-bit) | 06:32 |
mjg59 | Oh, right. Eww. | 06:32 |
mjg59 | Well, upstream are entirely failing to try to fix it properly | 06:32 |
BenC | I had to boot with noapictimer on my laptop at ubz | 06:33 |
BenC | is it a hw bug? | 06:33 |
mjg59 | Seems to be | 06:33 |
mjg59 | Windows runs itself off the apic timer rather than using a timer interrupt | 06:34 |
mjg59 | So you don't see it there | 06:34 |
mjg59 | bcm430x is still rather broken, yes | 06:34 |
mjg59 | Its worker queue just fell over on me | 06:35 |
mjg59 | dilinger: You're in the US, right? | 06:38 |
dilinger | mjg59: yea; nyc | 06:39 |
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BenC | mjg59: are you actually getting packets through it yet? | 06:41 |
mjg59 | BenC: Oh, christ no :) | 06:42 |
BenC | I'm at a loss here | 06:46 |
BenC | noapictimer doesn't seem to be an i386 option | 06:46 |
BenC | yet it worked for my Sempron using a -k7 kernel | 06:46 |
mjg59 | The i386 apic code is quite different to the amd64 stuff | 06:46 |
BenC | it's only in arch/x86_64/kernel/apci.c | 06:46 |
BenC | yeah, but why did the kernel option make my timer work :) | 06:46 |
dilinger | mjg59: know anything around that's vacationing in NY? | 06:47 |
mjg59 | dilinger: Afraid not | 06:54 |
fabbione | BenC: ok... i don't think we have any sparc specific patch... where does the boot hang? | 06:54 |
mjg59 | BenC: Basically, on the affected chipsets, we either need to drop interrupts from the first apic pin or from irq 0 | 06:55 |
BenC | fabbione: can't tell, it doesn't spit anything out, and I can't even do a break to get at the .register and .stack output | 07:06 |
fabbione | ah | 07:06 |
BenC | fabbione: I'm getting the stock -rc2 so I can atleast tell dave that it isn't our fault :) | 07:07 |
BenC | it may be a enterprise bug, since dave doesn't have any machines like this | 07:07 |
BenC | and my U2 is buried in other stuff, so I can't test that right now | 07:07 |
fabbione | BenC: eheh ok.. he is getting a E280R | 07:08 |
fabbione | so he will have no excuses | 07:08 |
BenC | E280R doesn't have the CENTRAL 4-slot hw, so who knows if it will be the same bug | 07:09 |
BenC | if it will show the same bug that is | 07:09 |
fabbione | BenC: if you can push me a .deb somewhere i can probably test it tomorrow | 07:10 |
fabbione | right now i am building gcc-4.0 for the libstdc transition | 07:10 |
fabbione | and i really can't stop it after these many hours | 07:11 |
fabbione | dilinger: ping? | 07:11 |
BenC | ok, I'll get it on people | 07:11 |
fabbione | thanks | 07:11 |
BenC | mjg59: amd64 apic timer patch is in git now | 07:14 |
dilinger | fabbione: yo | 07:14 |
BenC | mjg59: do you think it would be ok to pull -mm's acpi git patch? | 07:15 |
mjg59 | BenC: Sure | 07:17 |
mjg59 | Oooh ooh ooh | 07:21 |
mjg59 | Suspend to RAM has started working on my amd64 | 07:21 |
mjg59 | I'm actually going to blame vgacon changes for usplash not working any more | 07:24 |
mjg59 | Ok, maybe it's not that, then | 07:29 |
mjg59 | BenC: Possibly over-optimistic, but is there any chance of more up-to-date orinoco drivers? | 07:30 |
mjg59 | Ok, now that's *very* odd | 07:32 |
mjg59 | If I run usplash from a console, it looks fine | 07:32 |
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jbailey | mjg59: Just not from an Xterm. Tried that, it was a mistake. | 07:46 |
BenC | mjg59: there's some vgacon patches in -mm | 07:56 |
BenC | may want to look at them | 07:56 |
mjg59 | Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngh. | 07:56 |
mjg59 | 2.6.15 breaks vbetool. | 07:56 |
mjg59 | Entirely. | 07:56 |
BenC | one is a doublescan fix, and one is a fix for something else (some other corruption) | 07:56 |
mjg59 | Nnnnnngh. | 08:05 |
mjg59 | BenC: Have you added anything that changes the behaviour of /dev/mem ? | 08:44 |
BenC | yeah, but it's not in -4.4 | 08:44 |
BenC | err, -3.3 | 08:44 |
BenC | it's in git though | 08:44 |
BenC | is it breaking something, because I can disable it? | 08:45 |
BenC | elmo had requested the devmem patch | 08:45 |
mjg59 | Not sure - I'm having problems trying to make vbetool work, but I think that one's just a symptom rather than a cause | 08:45 |
mjg59 | Ah, yeah, it's triggering if I mmap /dev/zero, so probably not you | 08:45 |
mjg59 | mmap is returning EACCES | 08:46 |
mjg59 | And I can't see why | 08:46 |
fabbione | hmmm | 08:46 |
fabbione | capability? | 08:47 |
mjg59 | Running as root | 08:47 |
mjg59 | This is on amd64, though | 08:47 |
mjg59 | Looking at the kernel, that can only happen if the file is unreadable or unwritable | 08:47 |
fabbione | i remember once they broke capability in such a way not even root could do anything | 08:47 |
mjg59 | Hmm. It's claiming that I don't have write access to the file. | 08:54 |
mjg59 | Hngh. | 08:54 |
BenC | is this -3.3 or -4.4? | 09:19 |
mjg59 | -4.4 | 09:20 |
mjg59 | Never mind, figured it out | 09:21 |
mjg59 | The kernel's just got more picky about mmaping in general | 09:21 |
mjg59 | So I've got a vbetool that at least partially works for amd64 | 09:21 |
mjg59 | And now my amd64 suspends and resumes | 09:22 |
BenC | sweet | 09:22 |
BenC | lamont: ping | 09:22 |
lamont | ack | 09:23 |
BenC | lamont: you'll be happy to know that I did a git pull from the ia64 and parisc repo's today | 09:23 |
lamont | how did it get to be 1330 already!? sigh | 09:23 |
lamont | BenC: woot! | 09:23 |
fabbione | ia64? | 09:24 |
dilinger | lamont: whee, it's 1530 already! ;p | 09:24 |
fabbione | we did never pull from ia64 repo | 09:24 |
fabbione | oh that might be why ia64 did never boot | 09:24 |
lamont | dilinger: I have appts this afternoon to go deal with. sigh | 09:24 |
mjg59 | Hmm. 2.6.15 is resulting in my mouse driver not being loaded. | 09:24 |
BenC | -mm's patches pull from an ia64 repo, so I figured it can't hurt for us to pull too | 09:24 |
fabbione | BenC: are the changes already propagated to kernel.org? | 09:24 |
BenC | it's only like 50k of diff | 09:24 |
BenC | mjg59: odd | 09:25 |
fabbione | mjg59: it works here.. usb mouse | 09:25 |
mjg59 | Oh, hang on | 09:25 |
mjg59 | psmouse is loaded | 09:25 |
mjg59 | mousedev isn't | 09:25 |
BenC | fabbione: they are in 2.6.15-rc1-mm2 | 09:25 |
mjg59 | Latest hotplug, udev and initramfs-tools | 09:25 |
mjg59 | Anyone have any other things to try? | 09:25 |
fabbione | BenC: i meant in our git repo | 09:25 |
BenC | thought mousedev was hardcoded to load | 09:25 |
lamont | BenC: and someone was working on making initramfs happy with ia64 too, so that's good | 09:25 |
jbailey | lamont: Someone other than me? | 09:26 |
mjg59 | Yeah, I can just stick it in modules fo rnow | 09:26 |
lamont | jbailey: someone here in the lab | 09:26 |
jbailey | lamont: Cool! | 09:26 |
lamont | (fails on debian too, you see...) | 09:26 |
BenC | fabbione: yeah, this is the first pull I did | 09:26 |
fabbione | BenC: ok | 09:26 |
BenC | afk for about 10 minutes | 09:26 |
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BenC | fabbione: oh, just got what you meant, no, I haven't pushed yet | 09:41 |
BenC | trying a build to make sure I didn't break anything | 09:41 |
fabbione | BenC: ehhe ok | 09:42 |
BenC | zul__: ping | 09:49 |
zul__ | yo | 09:52 |
zul__ | what did i do now? ;) | 09:56 |
fabbione | zul__: you did nothing | 09:56 |
fabbione | that's why we are going to kill you | 09:56 |
BenC | zul__: I have everything I can take from your repo, so if you can kill it, and start fresh, I can start taking things again | 09:56 |
fabbione | isn't time to fix some bugs? ;) | 09:56 |
BenC | fabbione: never tell the prey that it is about to die :) | 09:57 |
fabbione | ehehe | 09:57 |
zul__ | BenC: okie dokie | 09:57 |
zul__ | there is a global conpiracy agains me | 09:57 |
BenC | zul__: only thing I need is some info on that tulip patch | 09:58 |
BenC | and thanks for the patches too | 09:58 |
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fabbione | how did i die? | 09:58 |
mjg59 | Remote closed the connection | 09:59 |
fabbione | ah | 09:59 |
fabbione | xchat did die | 09:59 |
fabbione | thanks | 09:59 |
BenC | fabbione: kiko has a question, he'll be here in a sec | 10:01 |
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kiko | hey ho | 10:02 |
kiko | fabbione, padrino mio | 10:02 |
kiko | what happened to libipt_ROUTE in breezy? | 10:02 |
BenC | he's wondering what happened to iptables ROUTE between hoary and breezy, says it's no longer there... | 10:02 |
fabbione | ROUTE? | 10:03 |
kiko | granted, it never actually worked :) | 10:03 |
fabbione | that would be iptables is the package.. not the kernel | 10:03 |
kiko | well | 10:03 |
BenC | so that has nothing to do with the kernel? | 10:03 |
fabbione | i would like to understand what this thing was doing | 10:03 |
kiko | I don't quite understand but IIRC netfilter and the kernel have a bit of a incestuous relationship | 10:04 |
fabbione | kiko: yes they do.. that's clear | 10:04 |
fabbione | a libipt_SOMETHING mostlikely need a ipt_SOMETHING.ko in the kernel | 10:04 |
kiko | right | 10:04 |
kiko | okay | 10:05 |
kiko | so what does ipt_ROUTE do | 10:05 |
kiko | it adds a ROUTE iptables target | 10:05 |
kiko | which allows you to do routing changes for packets that match a filter | 10:05 |
kiko | for instance, you can modify the default route used for packets for a specific service | 10:06 |
fabbione | oh yeah i see | 10:06 |
fabbione | you don't need that | 10:06 |
fabbione | iptables are for pussies | 10:06 |
kiko | padrino! | 10:06 |
fabbione | you can just use LAR | 10:06 |
kiko | iproute2? | 10:06 |
fabbione | that's the same i use here | 10:06 |
fabbione | yes | 10:06 |
fabbione | Linux Advanced Routing | 10:06 |
kiko | hmmm | 10:06 |
kiko | I believe we tested that and failed, but we can always try harder | 10:07 |
kiko | okay | 10:07 |
fabbione | kiko: i have working config | 10:07 |
fabbione | +s | 10:07 |
kiko | fabbione, mail something to me? | 10:07 |
fabbione | kiko: my consigliere.. it's no problem at aaaalllll | 10:07 |
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kiko | since i'm already chattering about | 10:08 |
kiko | we have one box that has a via-rhine ethernet onboard that just hangs when booting with the breezy kernel | 10:08 |
kiko | we're atm using the hoary kernel | 10:09 |
BenC | sysrq work at all on it? | 10:10 |
BenC | maybe see where it's hanging | 10:10 |
kiko | given it's a diskless box it's pretty unlikely we can use it much. | 10:10 |
kiko | okay, that would be a start | 10:10 |
kiko | let me try and find out where it hangs and poke back | 10:11 |
kiko | BenC, do we have alt-sysrq on by default in our kernels? | 10:13 |
kiko | so we do! | 10:13 |
kiko | thanks | 10:13 |
BenC | I believe so | 10:13 |
zul__ | *sigh* 8 year anniversary tonight.. | 10:15 |
zul__ | later | 10:21 |
fabbione | zul__: have fun | 10:22 |
fabbione | look at the positive side.. you might get laid ;) | 10:22 |
zul__ | oh i know i will.. | 10:34 |
zul__ | laster | 10:34 |
BenC | fabbione: booting 2.6.15-rc2 stock | 10:57 |
fabbione | BenC: cool | 10:57 |
fabbione | anyway.. i am off to bed | 10:57 |
fabbione | good night guys | 10:57 |
BenC | good night | 10:57 |
BenC | sweet | 10:59 |
BenC | fabbione: stock crashes too | 10:59 |
fabbione | ahah cool | 10:59 |
fabbione | gonna tell davem | 10:59 |
fabbione | ehehhe | 10:59 |
fabbione | *grins* | 10:59 |
mjg59 | BenC: The rtl8180 driver seems to be actively developed in CVS | 11:18 |
mjg59 | (file) Makefile 1.1.1.4 7 weeks i855crt Updated to work with current ieee802.11 stack | 11:19 |
mjg59 | Looks sort of promising | 11:19 |
BenC | odd, I pulled from CVS | 11:19 |
BenC | and it was broken | 11:19 |
BenC | broken meaning it was popping out all kinds of errors regarding ieee80211 stuff | 11:19 |
BenC | rtl8180-sa2400-dev is the module I checked out | 11:20 |
mjg59 | Ah | 11:20 |
mjg59 | You want rtl818x-newstack | 11:21 |
BenC | ah, | 11:21 |
BenC | cool, thanks | 11:21 |
mjg59 | And rtl8187-newstack/ for USB support | 11:21 |
BenC | fabbione: emailed davem my oops | 11:28 |
BenC | mjg59: lol, the rtl8187-newstack has the .cmd.c files from the kernel build in it :) | 11:29 |
mjg59 | BenC: Heh | 11:31 |
chuck_ | BenC: 18673 | 11:51 |
BenC | chuck_: thanks | 11:51 |
chuck_ | no probs | 11:51 |
BenC | this driver is gawd aweful | 12:02 |
BenC | it's using htonl instead of cpu_to_* stuff | 12:02 |
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