[04:26] <MagicFab> I have a question about the CC tonight
[04:26] <MagicFab> Is it OK to invite people from local orgs related to OSS, Linux ?
[04:32] <ogra> MagicFab, its a public meeting ...
[04:32] <ogra> invite whoever you want
[04:32] <MagicFab> tks., just checking
[10:01] <\sh> good evening
[10:01] <sivang> evening \sh , early a bit no?
[10:01] <sivang> (+1hr before meeting)
[10:02] <\sh> really?
[10:02] <sivang> let's see 10UTC = midnight israel time, meaning one more hour to go
[10:02] <\sh> someone banged my wlan
[10:02] <sivang> \sh: you mean, broke into it?
[10:03] <\sh> no..same signalstrength, same channel, and my laptop here switched between the networks...the other one is closed...and mine is only secured by macaddresses
[10:03] <\sh> oh yeah 22utc
[10:03] <\sh> damn
[10:06] <ajmitch> hm?
[10:06] <ajmitch> which meeting?
[10:06] <ajmitch> ah, CC, nothing for me to worry about today :)
[10:08] <Seveas> T minus 52 minutes
[10:08] <Treenaks> Seveas: *BOOM*  ?
[10:08] <ajmitch> 3am NZDT is painful
[10:09] <ogra_dinner> not in germany
[10:09] <Seveas> ajmitch, just go to bed early and wake up at 2:45
[10:09] <ajmitch> hah
[10:09] <Seveas> no one will notice you're not dressed :)
[10:09] <Treenaks> Seveas: he's not jdub
[10:09] <Seveas> badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerMUSHROOM
[10:09] <Treenaks> cloud?
[10:09] <ajmitch> I've got work a few hours after that
[10:09] <ogra_dinner> shhhnaike
[10:09] <Seveas> :)
[10:25] <Ju> Hi everybody
[10:26] <MagicFab> Hello - I figured I'd better be early
[10:27] <Seveas> 33 minutes to go :)
[10:27] <MagicFab> Yeah. I have to leave in 2hrs. though :( seing the last CC log is over 6 hrs. ;)
[10:28] <Seveas> no way
[10:28] <Seveas> little over 3 hours iirc
[10:28] <Seveas> but this onw ill be *much* shorter
[10:29] <Ju> just to know is there an irc contact for ubotu ? cool be nice to have an instance for locateam chans
[10:29] <Treenaks> Ju: I think it's Seveas ;)
[10:29] <Seveas> you can easily set one up - apt-get install blootbot
[10:29] <Seveas> Treenaks, *for ubotu*
[10:29] <Treenaks> blootbot? :)
[10:29] <Ju> ok, thanks
[10:30] <Treenaks> did a Dutch guy write it?
[10:30] <Seveas> no :p
[10:30] <ogra> Treenaks, developing nationalism ? 
[10:30] <ogra> :)
[10:30] <Treenaks> ogra: no, but "bloot" is Dutch for naked :)
[10:30] <Seveas> ogra, bloot is dutch for naked ;)
[10:30] <ogra> hehehe
[10:31] <mdke> Seveas, did you consider removing the "extra extra" type comments from ubotu?
[10:32] <Seveas> mdke, I don't run that bot
[10:32] <mdke> oh, who does?
[10:32] <Seveas> cafuego
[10:33] <Seveas> I just run the bugzilla bot
[10:33] <Ju> it's a very nice bot, btw
[10:37] <juliux> hi
[10:38] <Seveas> hi
[10:49] <mitsuhiko> hi all
[10:49] <GnuKemist> hello
[10:49] <juliux> hi mitsuhiko 
[10:50] <mdke> hi mitsuhiko 
[10:51] <mitsuhiko> hi mdke :)
[10:51] <mdke> you're up to membership? jeez that is a bit overdue
[10:52] <mitsuhiko> jep :)
[10:52] <Seveas> GnuKemist, you're Og Maciel, right?
[10:52] <GnuKemist> Seveas: yup
[10:52] <GnuKemist> how are ya?
[10:53] <Seveas> GnuKemist, just poke jdub to add a link to the brazilian planet on planet.ubuntu.com
[10:53] <Seveas> no need for CC intervention there
[10:53] <GnuKemist> Seveas: will do... actually, I had emailed him quite some time ago
[10:53] <GnuKemist> but this is not what I meant
[10:54] <Seveas> I don't think they'll simply let you put your planet on their servers...
[10:54] <GnuKemist> I mean to have the domain point to a pc under Ubuntu.org
[10:54] <GnuKemist> gotcha
[10:54] <Seveas> neither will they do that
[10:54] <GnuKemist> Seveas: I see
[10:54] <Seveas> for locoteams there are the ubuntu-CC.org domains
[10:54] <Seveas> in your case ubuntu-br.org
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Seveas: will talk to segfault then
[10:55] <Seveas> so poke smurfix to point planet.ubuntu-br.org and/or planeta.ubuntu-br.org there if you want that
[10:55] <GnuKemist> Seveas: been trying to get a hold of smurf for some time as well
[10:55] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: or zed :)
[10:55] <GnuKemist> maybe tonight
[10:55] <mitsuhiko> GnuKemist: smurf is ill
[10:55] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, aww :/
[10:55] <GnuKemist> mitsuhiko: oh... sorry to hear
[10:55] <Seveas> that's not good
[10:56] <Seveas> GnuKemist, are you ok with removing that item from the agenda now you know what to do?
[10:56] <smurf> I'm still alive though
[10:56] <GnuKemist> Seveas: sure thing  ;)
[10:56] <mitsuhiko> smurf: oh. good to hear :)
[10:56] <GnuKemist> smurf: hi...
[10:56] <Seveas> smurf, good to see you :)
[10:56] <smurf> GnuKemist: just send me mail with the server IP
[10:56] <GnuKemist> smurf: what is your email?
[10:57] <\sh> smurf: good to see you...hope you are feeling better then yesterday
[10:57] <smurf> and don't forget to actually configure it to serve that domain *before* you tell me to turn it on, because I will check that it does ;-)
[10:57] <smurf> \sh: somewhat :-/
[10:57] <GnuKemist> smurf: no prob
[10:57] <smurf> GnuKemist: smurf@ubuntu.com
[10:57] <GnuKemist> smurf: thanx
[10:58] <\sh> smurf: but it's only a cold? or something more serious?
[10:59] <smurf> \sh: It is, but forget the "only". I'm not really here, other than to say +1 to juliux and mitsuhiko ...
[11:00] <mitsuhiko> smurf: nice :)
[11:00] <juliux> smurf, thanks
[11:00] <smurf> ... and to kill ime until I get tired enough to actually fall asleep. :-/
[11:00] <smurf> time
[11:00] <mako> greetings
[11:01] <Seveas> konnichiwa
[11:01] <mako> let me switch to my laptop.. give me 1 minute
[11:01] <\sh> wow mako
[11:01] <Simira> mako :) Long time and all that. Missed you in Montreal
[11:01] <kjcole> Saluton!
[11:01] <mako> i missed me in montreal
[11:02] <ogra> mako, we too
[11:02] <Seveas> 23:02 - any sign of elmo Kamion and/or sabdfl yet?
[11:02] <elmo> I'm around
[11:03] <ogra> ah
[11:03] <sivang> mako !
[11:03] <Seveas> welcome elmo :)
[11:03] <mako> greetings everyone
[11:03] <mdke> hiya
[11:03] <mitsuhiko> hi all
[11:03] <GnuKemist> mako: hello
[11:03] <mako> i turn into a pumpkin in a little under an hour
[11:03] <kjcole> Woopsie.  23:03?  UTC? I was hoping for 22:00 UTC.
[11:04] <mdke> it's 22
[11:04] <MagicFab> Hello
[11:04] <Seveas> it's 22:00 UTC now
[11:04] <ogra> mako, could we get a pic of this ? 
[11:04] <mako> ogra: absolutely not
[11:04] <ogra> or better a shortcut :)
[11:04] <smurf> awwww...
[11:04] <elmo> sending SMS pings
[11:04] <Seveas> cool, ICMP over SMS :)
[11:04] <mako> elmo: thanks dude.. i was about do it :)
[11:05] <Seveas> mako, David Larlet got accepted last time but had not joined ubuntu-members on launchpad back then. He has joined that team now, but needs to be approved. Would you be so kind? :)
[11:05] <Kamion> my mobile's out of charge, so good luck trying to SMS me ;)
[11:06] <ogra> heh
[11:06] <Simira> :-)
[11:06] <mako> alrighte
[11:06] <kjcole> Seveas: I'm just an Ugly American.  I don't "cotton" to all this international brotherhood B.S.  (Re: UTC) ;-)
[11:06] <mako> Kamion: i turn into a pumpkin in an hour so we should ge through the voting stuff quickly
[11:06] <Seveas> s/last time/25 oct (http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20051026.124102.e648e759.en.html)/
[11:06] <Kamion> ok
[11:06] <elmo> I'll ring sabdfl in a couple of minutes, but given his laptop is in the office and he isn't, I think we should assume he can';t make it
[11:06] <mdke> matthew east
[11:07] <Simira> Seveas : ey, I didn't even know you were you...
[11:07] <Seveas> Simira, neither did I ;)
[11:07] <Kamion> mpathy is again not here, so let's skip that item
[11:07] <mako> alright.. it's gonna be rush rush for me since i turn into a pumpkin in one hour :)
[11:07] <bhuvan> bhuvan: Bhuvaneswaran
[11:07] <mhz> MauricioHernandez is here
[11:07] <Simira> Seveas : you didn't know who you were?
[11:08] <juliux> Kamion, he said that you can kick this itme
[11:08] <Seveas> RolandoBlanco isn't here either
[11:08] <ogra> mhz, hey ! :)
[11:08] <mako> alright then, loco team introductions
[11:08] <mhz> Seveas: said it is 'not possible to be here'
[11:08] <Seveas> So mhz is the first on the agenda (Chilean team)
[11:08] <mhz> ogra: thx for inviting me
[11:09] <ogra> Seveas, what about Latin american Team ?
[11:09] <Seveas> mhz, can you tell us a bit more about your team?
[11:09] <mhz> yup
[11:09] <Seveas> ogra, see the notes at RolandoBlanco in the proposed members
[11:09] <ogra> Seveas, yes, sorry, missed it
[11:09] <Seveas> mhz, then please do :)
[11:10] <mhz> ChileanLoCoTeam was meant to spread Edubuntu and Ubuntu. However, in Chile, there's someone (i still can't find his email) who is using ubuntu.cl
[11:10] <mako> mhz: that's an issue we can handle
[11:10] <mako> smurf and jane know all about that :)
[11:10] <Amaranth> i made it to one, finally!
[11:10] <mhz> So, personally, I do feel 100% cmmited to Edubuntu. Mainly because, there are plenty of LUGs in LA
[11:10] <mhz> and Spain
[11:10] <ogra> jane == silbs, not JaneW :)
[11:11] <mako> ogra: yes, sorry :)
[11:11] <sivang> Amaranth: lol
[11:11] <MagicFab> ubuntu-es is pretty active
[11:11] <mhz> Seveas: our plans are simple, yet agressive
[11:11] <mako> mhz: overlapping LUGS and loco teams are perfectly alright
[11:11] <mhz> Seveas: we can work together with any LUG that wants to work hard, no problem.
[11:12] <mako> people need/want local community and supporst on a number of different locality issues
[11:12] <ogra> mhz is one of the most active promoters for edubuntu in whole latin america i guess
[11:12] <mhz> mako: oh, i didnt know it
[11:12] <mako> mhz: sure, they exist :)
[11:12] <mako> Seveas: it's fine
[11:12] <mdke> mhz, who is in the team?
[11:12] <mako> right, what sort of membership and interest that you have
[11:13] <mhz> mako: Seveas however, I am very honest and I believe LA needs much more help on educational areas than linux related. So yes, I can spread Ubuntu. Nevertheless, my passion is Edubuntu :)
[11:14] <mhz> mdke: so far, Sergio Vergara (student of Chemestry), Rodrigo Morales (tecnocimiento guy who is the Biz plans guy), Victor Moral (tecnocimiento guy who is the IT expert and web developer), Me.
[11:14] <mhz> the 4 of us are well commited to ICT on education 
[11:14] <MagicFab> mhz: I could be liaison with Colombia
[11:14] <mdke> cool
[11:15] <kjcole> mhz: ICT?
[11:15] <mako> mhz: well, that sounds great
[11:15] <mdke> mhz, there is an Ubuntu forum on ubuntu.cl, is that anything to do with your team?
[11:15] <ogra> btw, this is mostly the work of the chilenian team: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip
[11:15] <mhz> However, I do participate a lot in CDSL (www.cdsl.cl) and they would help us on this. For EdubuntuChilean Tour, we have already contacted ColegioInteractivo, and institution that works with over 1000 teachers in Chile
[11:15] <mako> mhz: but you should welcome to working with other people from chile who want to tackle other issues
[11:15] <mhz> mdke: nop
[11:16] <mako> mhz: so that we don't *have* to have competing locos :)
[11:16] <mdke> mhz, it looks quite well developed
[11:16] <mako> mhz: if you have a primary intersting one area or two, that's great
[11:16] <mhz> mdke: so far, I only know them via forum. I have never klnown of any InstallFest organized by them
[11:16] <mhz> mako: absolutely
[11:16] <mako> but it's good to be willing to work with people have have other ubuntu interests
[11:16] <mdke> mhz, perhaps you can join forces with the organisers of it
[11:16] <mako> cool
[11:16] <mhz> mako: the diff. is how commited people are in the end, on daily basis.
[11:17] <mhz> mako: sure, I am trying to get his leader email (they were off line for long period)
[11:17] <mdke> great stuff
[11:17] <mhz> CDSL and us, are organizing install fest for next saturday
[11:17] <mako> great stuff
[11:18] <Seveas> cool, install fests rock
[11:18] <mhz> mako: and so far, we have not heard from them. I guess it's mainly because they live in diff areas (we are divided by regions)
[11:18] <mdke> mhz, did you try posting to the forum?
[11:18] <mhz> yup, last week
[11:18] <mako> well, in interests of time, we shoudl move on
[11:19] <mdke> good
[11:19] <mhz> no answer yet
[11:19] <mhz> but i know i will
[11:19] <mdke> mako is going orange
[11:19] <ogra> whhops
[11:19] <mhz> Seveas: we are planing also HowTo Fests
[11:19] <mitsuhiko> hehe
[11:20] <mdke> mako, you wanna move on?
[11:20] <kjcole> mhz: Nice. Keep good records of those.  Might come in handy for others.
[11:20] <Seveas> mhz, sounds great, good luck with all that and when you have other interesting stuff to report, don't hesitate
[11:20] <mako> yes, lets do it :)
[11:20] <Seveas> next would be rolando blanco
[11:20] <mako> new member candidates
[11:20] <Seveas> but he can't make tuesdays, can we schedule a meeting on wednesday for once?
[11:20] <mhz> kjcole: sure. At least on IRC I am reporting as much as we can :)
[11:21] <mako> Seveas: we can :)
[11:21] <MagicFab> mhz: pictures, pictures, pictures :)
[11:21] <Seveas> mako, great, shall I do that for next meeting and coordinate it a bit with him?
[11:21] <mako> Seveas: we need to run it by other people
[11:22] <mhz> MagicFab: sure. form next saturdays
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: we also need tdo shift the times back and forth
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: we've been having too many late meeting times
[11:22] <mako> Seveas: but we can do that at the end of hte meeting
[11:22] <mako> lets move on
[11:22] <Seveas> juliux, you're up
[11:22] <mdke> JuliusBloch
[11:22] <juliux> yes i am here
[11:22] <mako> juliux: alright, do you know the drill?
[11:22] <ogra> juliux, youre no member yet ? o_O
[11:22] <juliux> ogra, no
[11:22] <kjcole> Mako: Late is a relative term. ;-) (5:22 PM here)
[11:22] <Seveas> please give a 3-line intro about what you did, what your plans are and your vision on Ubuntu
[11:23] <juliux> at the moment many people in Germany heard something about ubuntu, but don't know what  exactly it is. my dream is that everybody knows what ubuntu is. so i have  decided to present ubuntu on fairs in Germany and tell the people what ubuntu is and to make my dream a little bit more real.
[11:23] <mdke> nice wiki page
[11:23] <mhz> :)
[11:23] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, bhuvan, mhz please prepare such a 3-liner so you can paste it when you're up
[11:23] <mhz> okidoki
[11:23] <\sh> oh...juliux and mitsuhiko are great workers in things like ubuntu and promoting it
[11:23] <bhuvan> Seveas, ok
[11:23] <juliux> in the past i have do many support for ubuntu in Germany
[11:23] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: i've prepared one :)
[11:23] <ogra> juliux is organizing a lot in the german community ... preparing booths and presence at fairs
[11:24] <Seveas> awesome
[11:24] <ogra> he's busy in #edubuntu as well
[11:24] <mdke> great work juliux 
[11:24] <juliux> thanks mdke 
[11:24] <Kamion> I'm impressed by the pile of stuff there
[11:25] <\sh> he is one of the founding members of ubuntu Deutschland e.V. and works on wiki.ubuntuusers.de...he is awesome
[11:25] <juliux> hm i think i can do more, but i have to study
[11:25] <GnuKemist> juliux: if you don't mind me ask, how do you pay for your travelling?
[11:25] <\sh> (same applies to mitsuhiko)
[11:25] <juliux> GnuKemist, i paid it my self
[11:25] <GnuKemist> juliux: wow
[11:25] <mdke> wiki.ubuntusers.de is exceptional
[11:26] <GnuKemist> juliux: I have done the same as far as buying and burning CDs to give out...  awsome!
[11:26] <ogra> he organized my talk at linuxtag.de at dec 3rd 
[11:26] <mdke> oh dear
[11:26] <juliux> ogra, no linuxtag.de is the one in march next year
[11:26] <mako> juliux: have you been involved in the gnome community fo much longer?
[11:26] <mdke> unleashing ogra on the public
[11:26] <mdke> -1
[11:26] <mhz> Seveas: my 3 lines are ready
[11:26] <mitsuhiko> mine too :)
[11:26] <juliux> mako, yes
[11:26] <\sh> he convienced me to do a "Photo With A MOTU" at the Essener Linuxtage fair ,)
[11:26] <juliux> mako, the last few years
[11:27] <mdke> \sh, LOL
[11:27] <dholbach> \sh: hehe :)
[11:27] <juliux> \sh, psst
[11:27] <mitsuhiko> hehe
[11:27] <dholbach> \sh: he did the "interview with a motu" too :)
[11:27] <juliux> ogra, the right url for december is http://essen.linux-tage.linec.de/
[11:27] <ogra> mdke, come on, i'm not *this* ugly :)
[11:27] <mdke> ogra, :D
[11:27] <mako> juliux: great, i'm glad that you've moved over to this community :)
[11:28] <Seveas> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spiele_Ubuntu <-- you don't mention xmoto, kobo deluxe and xgala ;)
[11:28] <Seveas> but that wiki is indeed exceptional
[11:28] <Seveas> VERY informative
[11:28] <Kamion> ok, happy to approve juliux if elmo and mako are
[11:28] <mako> right
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: Spiele is outdated, we move it into the german holarse wiki
[11:28] <ogra> even if i develop a bread of wisdom now (according to makos definition)
[11:28] <mdke> Seveas, that wiki is flair
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> AFIAK
[11:28] <mako> juliux: i appreciate you contributions
[11:28] <juliux> thanks a lot
[11:28] <elmo> ack
[11:28] <ogra> *beard
[11:28] <mako> you've got a thumbs up from me
[11:28] <GnuKemist> juliux: congrats!
[11:28] <mako> sounds good
[11:28] <mdke> welcome juliux 
[11:29] <dholbach> excellent, juliux :)
[11:29] <ogra> congratds juliux 
[11:29] <mako> Armin Ronacher
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> juhuu :)
[11:29] <Seveas> juliux, welcome aboard, don't forget to do the launchpad/signing ritual
[11:29] <juliux> Seveas, i have done this
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> Since the beginning of november
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> 2004 i'm ubuntu user. One month after my first contact with ubuntu and linux
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> Since Dezember the Admin of ubuntuusers.de beside Sascha Morr.
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> I work on the Portal Software and try to answer user questions. My account
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> there is named "blackbird" and with about 3000 posts i'm one of the most
[11:29] <\sh> juliux: finally u made it, dude :) congratulations :) welcome aboard :)
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> active authors.
[11:29] <mdke> mitsuhiko is a god
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> lol
[11:29] <mdke> he has written loads of cool wiki things for the german wiki
[11:29] <\sh> yeah...he is young, he is fresh, he works for ubuntu even during his schooltime...
[11:30] <mdke> and is very helpful in the locoteam area in sharing ideas and such
[11:30] <mitsuhiko> \sh: *psst* don't tell ^^
[11:31] <mako> mitsuhiko: that's impressive :)
[11:31] <mako> not the schooltime thing
[11:31] <\sh> and he is friendly, community orientated..and the best what you can get for ubuntu...smurf, juliux, mitsuhiko, and sascha are the base of the most of the ubuntu work in germany...
[11:31] <mako> i'm actually in a research group meeting RIGHT NOW :)
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> :)
[11:31] <mako> (but my group all uses ubuntu so it's tolerated)
[11:31] <juliux> \sh, there are much more in germany
[11:32] <\sh> juliux: i know...but you are one of the big guns
[11:32] <mako> mitsuhiko: so ubuntuusers.de has been around for a while, right?
[11:32] <mako> how long have you been at it?
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> mako: since Dec. 2004
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> user founded it 2 days after the warty release
[11:32] <mitsuhiko> so. somewhere in october 2004
[11:32] <Seveas> Anmeldungsdatum  	19.11.2004
[11:33] <Seveas> (according to the forum profile :)
[11:33] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: jep. that's true :)
[11:33] <smurf> mitsuhiko has been very active for quite some time, I'd be happy to sponsor hi for membership just on his consistency ;-)
[11:33] <mako> wow,
[11:33] <mdke> yeah the guy is good
[11:33] <mako> smurf: that's good to hear :)
[11:33] <Seveas> I think it says enough :)
[11:33] <mdke> long overdue for membership
[11:33] <Seveas> Beitrge insgesamt  	 3182 [2.85% aller Beitrge / 8.62 Beitrge pro Tag] 
[11:33] <Kamion> ok, sure, I'm happy, plenty of material and recommendations
[11:33] <elmo> ack too
[11:34] <mako> looks like sustained and sustained contributions to me
[11:34] <mako> looks great
[11:34] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, welcome aboard
[11:34] <GnuKemist> mitsuhiko: congrats!
[11:34] <mako> looks great :)
[11:34] <mitsuhiko> thx
[11:34] <mako> bhuvan: hey there
[11:34] <mako> i think you're up
[11:34] <\sh> mitsuhiko: congratulations :) 
[11:34] <bhuvan> yes
[11:34] <juliux> mitsuhiko, congratds
[11:34] <bhuvan> wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhuvan. I belong to docteam. I've submitted many patches to docteam svn repository. I've also contributed couple of wiki pages. I've also made changes/corrections to many wiki pages.
[11:34] <bhuvan> i'm one of the maintainer for ServerGuide for Dapper. I've already prepared the  spec and got the appropral from team members.  w.u.c/ServerGuide
[11:35] <bhuvan> Currently, I'm preparing the server guide for Dapper with the help of my team mates.
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: where are you from?
[11:35] <bhuvan> india
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: where about?
[11:35] <bhuvan> india, chennai (chennai is a metro in south india)
[11:35] <mdke> i would like to support bhuvan too. He has been helping around the docteam for a while now, and has submitted several helpful patches. He is enthusiastic and has excellent team-working. he learns fast and is patient, and is contributing steadily in the docteam
[11:35] <mako> bhuvan: sure, i know :)
[11:35] <bhuvan> mako, cool
[11:36] <mako> mdke: thanks, that's helpful
[11:37] <Seveas> bhuvan, any other interests beside documentation?
[11:37] <Kamion> bhuvan: how much of the server guide do you think can be sourced (modified or otherwise) from existing documentation?
[11:37] <mako> bhuvan: how long have you been involved? where do you want to take ubuntu?
[11:37] <bhuvan> i'm interested in MOTU. but, as i wish to learn new stuff, i prefer documentation for some time before moving to MOTU
[11:37] <Kamion> (er that sounds like a bit of a leading question, that's not the intent, just a simple question)
[11:38] <mdke> Kamion, we will be relying heavily on the debian guide i imagine
[11:38] <bhuvan> Kamion, so far i've referred redhat. sure, we may make use of debian document
[11:39] <Kamion> yeah, that or the HOWTOs (minus all the "if you're running <this> system from 1997, do this, otherwise ..." stuff)
[11:39] <\sh> bhuvan: why the redhat documentation?
[11:39] <mako> i would be surprised if the debian document didn't offer us good things we could use
[11:39] <mdke> oh btw, if you want an idea of the quality of his work, check out the SubVersion and Mailman wiki pages that he has done
[11:39] <mdke> mako, from what I've seen, it definitely does
[11:39] <bhuvan> mako, for the past 3 months. i've been using ubuntu for the past 2 months
[11:39] <mako> nice
[11:40] <Seveas> it's good that people who are new to ubuntu immediately contribute
[11:40] <Seveas> shows dedication :)
[11:40] <mako> wait.. you've been writing documents for longer than youv'e been using it
[11:41] <Kamion> hmm, I could proofread that, but it's basically clear and simple documentation, and my command of Indian languages is hardly excellent so ... :)
[11:41] <bhuvan> Seveas, i'm used to debian though
[11:41] <mdke> Kamion, for a first and immediate contribution, it is so much better than a lot of wiki pages that spring up :)
[11:42] <\sh> Kamion: come on learn hindi :)
[11:42] <Kamion> mdke: yeah, certainly
[11:42] <Kamion> (BTW Subversion is spelt thus, no capital V)
[11:42] <mdke> yeah that looks like some fake camelcase ;)
[11:42] <bhuvan> Kamion, no!
[11:42] <bhuvan> seems, it must be spelled SubVersion
[11:42] <bhuvan> one of the SVN developer suggested that change
[11:42] <Seveas> it should be spelled bazaar-ng ;)
[11:43] <\sh> .oO(correct spelling should be subVersion, and bzr is now called DomVersion)
[11:43] <mako> bhuvan: well, i'm thrilled with your contributions
[11:43] <bhuvan> mako, ok
[11:43] <mako> and, as Seveas said, i'm happy to see you contributing already
[11:43] <Kamion> bhuvan: odd, that's not the way it was spelled when I used to be on subversion-devel, and it's not how http://subversion.tigris.org/ spells it
[11:43] <Kamion> but anyway
[11:43] <bhuvan> Kamion, ok
[11:44] <mdke> bhuvan, do you have commit access for the docteam svn repo yet?
[11:44] <Kamion> detailed quibbles aside :-), I'm fine with bhuvan for membership
[11:44] <bhuvan> as i work for CollabNet, i referred my developer over here .. he suggested couple of changes to that document, its one of them ..
[11:44] <elmo> me too
[11:44] <Seveas> bhuvan, welcome on the Ubuntu ship
[11:44] <Kamion> maybe there's been a policy change
[11:44] <GnuKemist> bhuvan: congrats!
[11:44] <Seveas> congratulations!
[11:44] <bhuvan> mdke, not yet
[11:45] <mhz> bhuvan: congrats
[11:45] <ogra> congrats bhuvan 
[11:45] <Seveas> MagicFab, you're next
[11:45] <bhuvan> oh, thankx
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: personally, i'd prefer to see a little more sustained contribution
[11:45] <mdke> bhuvan, right let's sort that out. elmo is that to be rt'ed?
[11:45] <\sh> congrats bhuvan 
[11:45] <Seveas> (for the people who are puzzled, look 6cm down on the agenda)
[11:45] <juliux> congrats bhuvan 
[11:45] <mako> but yeah, that's great :)
[11:45] <elmo> mdke: yeah
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: so stay involved dude :)
[11:45] <MagicFab> I am here
[11:45] <bhuvan> sure, thankx
[11:45] <mdke> mako, you will, I have the feeling that this guy is here to stay
[11:45] <mako> bhuvan: keep up the good work :)
[11:45] <Seveas> MagicFab, the 3-line introduction please
[11:46] <mdke> bhuvan, nice work
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: how else is on the stack?
[11:46] <Seveas> FabianRodriguez (Wasn't there 8/11) - Confirming I'll be there as MagicFab - -- FabinRodrguez 2005-11-22 15:48:13
[11:46] <MagicFab> Mhh... I have a bit more than 3 lines
[11:46] <mako> i gotta run in like 5 minutes
[11:46] <MagicFab> WikiPage:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FabianRodriguez - stuff I find significant in bold. I am originally from Colombia, have been living in Quebec Canada since I was 16 while visiting family there yearly - so I've known about the horrors of remote support of proprietary software, webcams etc. :) You may remember me from UBZ when I told the true story of having converted my parents' PC to Ubuntu only.
[11:46] <mdke> bhuvan, can you come into -doc for a while?
[11:46] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[11:46] <ogra> Seveas, doesnt that depend on the DPI setting ? 
[11:46] <Seveas> mako, only this and a few non-voting things
[11:46] <Seveas> ogra, sort-of
[11:46] <mako> Seveas: perfect
[11:46] <MagicFab> I currently work full-time as an Open Source software solutions consultant, focusing on security and migration issues in Montreal. Curiously, I am the first link in U. Marketplace - NorthAmerica :) I have strong links to the local community and I am mostly interested in advocacy/marketing (events, etc.), local support & training and new users introduction / migration to Gnu/Linux. 
[11:47] <mako> MagicFab: have you been doing much ubuntu business?
[11:47] <MagicFab> I'd say Debian so far. My first Ubuntu server proposal is out this week :)
[11:47] <mako> that's nice
[11:48] <MagicFab> Ah, wait, several custom training sessions, yes.
[11:48] <Seveas> MagicFab was at UBZ, any UBZ-ists you talked to there MagicFab ?
[11:48] <mitsuhiko> Kamion: i'm waiting for some work of the art team
[11:48] <MagicFab> Sivang, at a BOF
[11:48] <mdke> elmo, what do you need, email address, gpg # and preferred nick?
[11:49] <MagicFab> any UBZers here ? I personally know hub (not here) - also go to meet Corey Burger
[11:49] <elmo> mdke: s/nick/username/ but yes, that'll work
[11:49] <Simira> MagicFab : a lot of us were there
[11:49] <kjcole> MagicFab: I was there, but more of a lurker...
[11:49] <mako> MagicFab: many of your contributions have been in the last month or so
[11:49] <ogra> MagicFab, i was there
[11:50] <\sh> MagicFab: many of us ... ogra, \sh, kamion, elmo ....
[11:50] <mako> which is great, but i like to look for slightly more long term contributions
[11:50] <mako> MagicFab: do you have any testimonials from existing developers?
[11:50] <MagicFab> mako: I've been on since 4.10
[11:50] <mako> MagicFab: right, i understand you've been using ubuntu until 4.10
[11:51] <mako> but our job is to recogized a series of sustained and significant contributions
[11:51] <Amaranth> whoops, gotta go
[11:51] <Simira> g'night
[11:51] <mako> Simira: good night
[11:51] <ogra> night Simira 
[11:51] <GnuKemist> night
[11:51] <MagicFab> mako: well, I do this full time and some of the stuff has not been online - like advocacy in Colombia
[11:51] <mako> MagicFab: you do what full time?
[11:52] <MagicFab> mako: OSS consulting, training and migration from Win to Linux
[11:52] <mdke> :))
[11:52] <mako> yes, i understand that, and i understand your committment to ubuntu
[11:52] <Seveas> MagicFab, what we are looking for are contributions to Ubuntu - not to OSS in general
[11:52] <mako> but i'm trying to gague contributions to the ubuntu community
[11:52] <MagicFab> I'd say 1/2 of what I do is Mozilla related, 1/2 is now Ubuntu
[11:52] <mako> MagicFab: ok.. but the nature and extent of those is not known to me or obvious from my wiki page
[11:53] <mako> sorry, from your wikipage
[11:53] <mako> MagicFab: do you have any other members who can give you testimonials
[11:53] <MagicFab> sivang could, he's here
[11:53] <MagicFab> Some of you may see me on IRC
[11:54] <MagicFab> Corey Burger too
[11:54] <Seveas> I never really saw you in #ubuntu actually 
[11:54] <MagicFab> ONe of my main projects is a doc to accompany Ubuntu CDs, a work in progress for more than a year
[11:54] <mako> Seveas: that's fine though, you rarely see me there either :)
[11:54] <mako> using irc is by no means a requirement
[11:54] <mako> MagicFab: cool :)
[11:54] <mako> that sounds great
[11:54] <MagicFab> https://secure.fabianrodriguez.com/files/ubuntu-fr.pdf
[11:55] <Seveas> mako, no but he said that some would, and I'm in there 'sometimes' :)
[11:55] <mako> MagicFab: in any case, i'd suggest we postpone this until you can collect a few testimontials
[11:55] <mako> Seveas: sorry, missed that
[11:55] <Ubuntuser_BA> Hello Folks/1
[11:55] <mako> MagicFab: and keep working on the directly commmunity engaged projects you've started in the last month or so
[11:56] <david`bgk> MagicFab, why don't you get yann and me in touch for french documentation ?
[11:56] <MagicFab> ? last month ? 
[11:57] <david`bgk> yes for your CDs accompany
[11:57] <mako> MagicFab: the stuff that is down with "oct 2005"
[11:57] <mako> in any case
[11:57] <ogra> hmm, is there a reason we skipped mhz's membership Seveas ? he's above MagicFab on the agenda
[11:57] <david`bgk> we're interested in this
[11:57] <mhz> Seveas: Can I paste my lines once last candidate is introduced? when you asked me to introduce myself I thought that to be invited here is because work was already recognized :)
[11:57] <MagicFab> Well, I can't see how it's considered recent or last month
[11:58] <Kamion> MagicFab: mako's referring to the marketing team work I think?
[11:58] <mako> yes
[11:58] <mako> MagicFab: i'm not suggesting that ALL of your contributiosn started last month
[11:58] <Seveas> ogra, he didn't put himself on the list and the 'covered in recent meetings' is usually not treated, but he made a note there
[11:58] <Kamion> if the public speaking work goes back some time, I'm happy to consider that a contribution; we've taken members on the basis of advocacy before
[11:58] <MagicFab> david`bgk: if you're in ubuntu-fr I think we're already in touch
[11:58] <ogra> mhz, wait until mako/Seveas call you
[11:58] <mako> i'm suggesting that some of the most directly community-engaged projects, like marketing team stuff, is relatively recent
[11:58] <mhz> ogra: ok, thx.
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: i'm more comfortable postponing this
[11:59] <ogra> Seveas, i dont see MagicFab either in the above list
[11:59] <sivang> Seveas: MagicFab also participated in a BOF and spec I was in charge of and gave some good ideas
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: it may just be that you need to do a better job documenting this 
[11:59] <Seveas> sivang, nice, put that in a wikipage
[11:59] <mako> yes
[11:59] <mako> and we need to do this before the meeting
[11:59] <david`bgk> MagicFab, yes of course we are, you have been added to the planet a week ago
[11:59] <MagicFab> mako: I'd love to - I spent quite some time on the my wiki page. How can I improve that ?
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: work with me in the next two weeks
[11:59] <sivang> Seveas: I should add it?
[11:59] <mako> MagicFab: and lets see how we can improve it
[12:00] <mako> i'm happy to do it offline
[12:00] <mako> right now, i'm going to turn into a pumpkin
[12:00] <Seveas> mako, wait
[12:00] <mako> Seveas: ?
[12:00] <Seveas> one more candidate (I missed it on the agenda)
[12:00] <mdke> mhz
[12:00] <mako> right
[12:01] <mhz> mdke: wait until Seveas calls me?
[12:01] <mako> please, go ahead, i'll reconnect ASAP and comment on the log.. take votes from the other two :)
[12:01] <Seveas> mhz, your wikipage mentions very little Ubuntu contributions
[12:01] <mako> if i'm lucky, it will be in ~10 minutes
[12:01] <Kamion> I've seen mhz around on the Edubuntu project for quite some months
[12:01] <mako> otherwise, 2.5h
[12:01] <mdke> mhz, go ahead now
[12:01] <mako> if you get kamion and elmo to agree, i doubt you will get a fight from me :)
[12:01] <mhz> Seveas: Debian user for 3 years and Ubuntu since warty. My first commitment is to freedom of access because knowledge is key for sustainable development. Education is one of the most important areas to achieve such development. Ergo, Ed/Ubuntu is the key actor in my plans:
[12:01] <mhz> Edubuntu Chilean Tour + Fairs of free Technology.
[12:01] <mhz> So far I edit some wiki stuff in edubuntu.org, I keep www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile and I am coordinating the EdubuntuCdLabelAndCdCover and EdubuntuStudyContents.
[12:01] <mhz> Also, I have installed Ubuntu in 2 medium sized-companies servers and over 25 desktops, and edubuntu in over 16 machines now, 3 of them at a university.
[12:01] <Kamion> although I'm not sure the wiki page reflects that as much as it might do
[12:01] <mhz> On december one article I wrote on Ubuntu for Education, for a Education Magazine, will be handed to over 1000 schools. Also, I'll present Ubuntu and Edubuntu on a local TV show for teens.
[12:01] <mako> alright guys.. ttys
[12:01] <mhz> I am sure ogra and JaneW can give good testimonials of my contributions, so far.
[12:01] <ogra> Seveas, he did nearly all of the wiki stuff for edubuntu, is very active in the edubuntu community
[12:01] <mako> alright guys, see you soon
[12:01] <Kamion> FWIW I tend to skip over the "life story" bits of people's wiki pages :)
[12:02] <mdke> bye mako 
[12:02] <Seveas> ogra, that's a nice + for him
[12:02] <ogra> he does a great job promoting edubuntu in latin america
[12:02] <mhz> Kamion: thx for that