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KyralLaserJock: any of your MOTU-Science packages get through REVU yet?12:29
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Kyralhey is gnome-desktop-environment just a metapack?12:41
schweebyea, most likely12:43
Kyralk, because this guy on the forums is wanting to remove Firefox12:44
schweebif it doesn't say in the package name, only real way is to either install it, or look at the source I would think12:44
Kyraland its taking a load of metapacks out with it12:44
schweebgnome-desktop-env is a universe package, so it's not necessarily important12:44
schweeb(I don't have it installed)12:44
KyralYea, neither do I12:44
Kyralheck I don't have gnome-core installed either12:45
schweebI really don't see a need to remove firefox either, but *shrug*12:45
KyralHe wants to12:45
Kyraland Linux is all about choices12:45
schweebguess so12:45
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LaserJockKyral: no, I got one vote before a new upstream release and my count got reset ;-)01:09
Kyrallol01:09
KyralI bet after the merge is done01:09
LaserJockKyral: yeah, that's what I'm thinking01:09
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LaserJockhi bmonty01:53
bmontyhey LaserJock01:53
bmontyhow is everything today in MOTU land?01:54
bmonty...and why do you guys keep responding to this Rod Lovett guy on the devel ML?01:54
ajmitchbmonty: because people enjoy pain02:01
bmontyhehe...he has troll written all over his messages02:01
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bmontythey should just blacklist his address and be done with it02:02
ajmitchaha, nice reply to his message from ivan :)02:05
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zakamehi02:17
crimsun'lo02:18
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sistpotyoops... don't look at the merge page atm ;)02:53
ajmitchwhy not? :)02:54
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ajmitchmmm, nice traceback02:55
ajmitchsistpoty broke the db? :)02:55
sistpotykind of... ;)02:56
sistpotyshould be fine now02:56
crimsunaww I miss all the good boogs ;)02:56
LaserJocksistpoty: what is the stdc++ column for on the revu MoM pages?02:56
sistpotythese are packages that need to be renamed/rebuilt for libstdc++ reconfiguration02:57
crimsunif they're affected by the libstdc++ allocator change02:57
crimsunhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013025.html02:58
sistpotyexactly... is this list complete? or does it draw in depending/other packages as well?02:58
crimsunit should be complete02:59
sistpotyok, then I'll update the database with this info in a few secs... this time there should be no downtime ;)03:00
sistpoty*crossing fingers*03:01
sistpotyupdate done03:02
LaserJockso there is about 13 in the done pile that will need to be redone03:02
sistpotythey need to be rebuilt at least03:03
LaserJockI guess that won't be to bad. It's really nice to have a list like that03:04
sistpotysiretart told me it would be nice to have it this afternoon... well here it is03:04
sistpoty;)03:04
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sistpotyhe told me this afternoon i meant ;)03:05
sistpotythe nasty thing is that for the current list, you'd need to file a merge bug to move it from unassigned to accepted. maybe I'll adjust the email-parser to also allow other bug-titles to move these packages. But not tonight ;)03:08
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LaserJockok, I aske once about awk as a build dependency but I can't remember if it was a no-no or if it was ok?03:11
LaserJockasked I mean03:11
sistpotyawk is required, which means it's a no-no, unless you need a specific version03:13
LaserJockso I think that I was told to file a bug report with debian about it rather than fix it in the merge (to minimize the delta)03:14
LaserJockbut I'm not sure what to say.  Just "build dependency awk is not required"?03:15
sistpotyyeah, something like that would be good... eventually you might add a patch as well ;)03:16
LaserJockk, thanx03:16
sistpotybut it's ok, if you fix it in the merge, as long as you file a bug report. you can still request a sync later, once debian also incorporated the fix03:17
xerxasgood night03:22
StrikeForcebbh03:22
StrikeForcevggyyy y7kk7\03:22
sistpotyStrikeForce: don't fall asleep on your keyboard ;)03:23
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LaserJocksistpoty: I still am not quite catching this awk thing. I removed awk from the build dep and everything seems to build fine but there isn't a mention of awk anywhere. So why was it a build dep in the first place?03:27
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sistpotyLaserJock: maybe in somewhere in a script?03:28
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sistpotyLaserJock: what package are you referring to?03:28
LaserJocktex-guy03:28
Kyralwell thats a pain03:29
KyralI lost one of my onboard SATA connectors03:29
LaserJockok, aclocal.m4 and configure use awk03:29
LaserJockKyral: that sucks03:29
ajmitch'lost'?03:29
Kyralyah03:29
Kyralit came off03:29
Kyralliterally03:29
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Kyralwell, its still attached, but disattached enough that it was no longer working03:30
KyralJust another thing in my computer's screwed up history03:38
KyralGuys I need a solution03:49
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Kyralcould someone using a LiveCD, make a Linux partition03:49
LaserJocksistpoty: so is it ok to take awk out of the build deps ?03:50
Kyraljump into it03:50
Kyraland somehow install the system FROM the LiveCD?03:50
ajmitchKyral: UbuntuExpress03:50
ajmitchsee the specs, it's planned for dapper03:51
KyralIs it out yet?03:51
ajmitchthere is preliminary work done on it03:51
Kyralis there any current method03:51
ajmitchyes03:51
ajmitchnot sure how well it works03:51
Kyraldo tell03:51
ajmitchimpilinux has some, and the guadalinex guys also03:51
Kyralanything from the LiveCD?03:51
ajmitchwell it's all meant to be used from the live cd03:52
Kyralwell this guy fubared his MBR03:52
Kyralbefore getting Ubuntu on it03:52
ajmitchand?03:52
Kyralhe can't restore it03:52
ajmitchsimple to fix03:52
Kyralrunning install-grub should work03:52
ajmitchso should installing the mbr package & using the mbr contained within03:53
ajmitchto get windows back03:53
Kyralsudo apt-get install mbr?03:53
ajmitchhave a look03:53
sistpotyLaserJock: if that's your only change, I'd prefer a sync instead of removing awk (because you don't need to care afterwards)03:53
ajmitchthere's also ms-sys03:54
KyralBut install-grub would work?03:54
LaserJocksistpoty: there are some other build-dep changes as well03:54
ajmitchit'd just overwrite it03:54
sistpotyLaserJock: then it's up to you ;)03:54
Kyralthe MBR doesn't work right now03:54
Kyralsomehow the XP one died03:54
LaserJocksistpoty: I just don't understand how it would work to remove awk. Shouldn't it dep on something?03:55
sistpotyLaserJock: since awk is "required" it will always be installed on the buildd. same for things in build-essential, like gcc03:56
LaserJocksistpoty: I guess this is a stupid question but how does it know it's required?03:56
sistpotyLaserJock: look at the priority field ;)03:57
sistpotyLaserJock: awk is a virtual package which depends on mawk or gawk... mawk has priority required03:58
LaserJocksistpoty: aww, I see04:00
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Kyralhey mitch, that ms-sys thing works right?04:09
ajmitchhow would I know?04:12
Kyrallol04:13
ajmitchI just did apt-cache search04:13
Kyraloh well04:13
Kyralhis MBR wasn't working before04:13
Kyralso it couldn't hurt04:13
sistpotyI'm off to bed... gn804:17
ajmitchnight sistpoty04:17
Kyralabout how much RAM od you need to load the LiveCD into RAM?04:31
Kyralor can you hot swap the LiveCD out if you need to use the drive04:33
crimsunKyral: you need at least 256 MB RAM04:33
Kyraloh?04:33
crimsunyou can load it with 128, but it'll be a bit disastrous04:33
Kyralbut 512 is enough?04:33
crimsun512 is plenty04:33
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KyralI've been helping this guy who accidently nuked his MBR04:34
Kyraland he only has one CD drive04:34
crimsunI have some 256 MB machines that run 5.10/live just fine04:34
Kyralso for the toram option 256 is good?04:34
crimsunthe more the better up to a certain point unless you customise the kernel04:35
Kyraljust hit toram at the prompt right?04:37
crimsunI'm not even familiar with that option...04:38
KyralIt loads the LiveCD into RAM so the CD Drive is freed up04:38
crimsunhmm, I need to try that.04:39
crimsuncool, sistpoty merged hugs9804:41
ajmitchKyral: why do you need to swap out the live cd?04:41
crimsunI can look forward to tomorrow afternoon's lecture04:41
KyralBecause this guy only has one CD Drive04:41
Kyraland his Install CD is corrupt04:41
Kyraland his MBR his shot04:41
Kyraland he needs to burn a new copy of the Install CD :P04:41
KyralYah something went REALLY wrong04:46
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LaserJockcan somebody download the debian source for gpib ?04:58
LaserJockand can I get somebody to ask elmo to sync xchat-systray?04:58
Kyraland imview-doc04:59
crimsunlater.05:04
LaserJocknvm about the gpib stuff, it looks like MoM mangled it05:05
KyralI like seth_k's quit msg05:13
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LaserJockif you reinstall your system does your gpg key get messed up?05:43
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zerokarmaleftLaserJock: you'll want to backup .gnupg or export your keys05:47
LaserJockzerokarmaleft: even if I didn't wipe out /home ?05:47
zerokarmaleftthen you should be fine05:47
LaserJockhmm, I seem to be having a problem in thunderbird05:48
LaserJockwhen I look at an email that I signed I get "gpg: BAD signature"05:49
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siggenHi ..06:35
siggenI was hoping to become an ubuntu developer. I was also merely wondering about the steps invloved.06:37
LaserJocksiggen: I would look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember and wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo06:41
KyralI hate cold showers....*shiver*06:45
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siggen.. :/06:47
ajmitchsiggen: the first steps are generally packaging new software or fixing existing packages06:47
ajmitchand we've got plenty to fix :)06:47
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StevenKajmitch: I suspect siggen was asking how to get involved? I'm interested in getting involved too.06:54
ajmitchyep06:55
ajmitchfor example, one of our main tasks at the moment is merging changes that we made in breezy with changes in debian06:55
ajmitchwe try & keep the changes as small as possible, but it's still a few hundred packages06:55
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ajmitchyou're a DD, right?06:56
StevenKHow about new upstream versions for dapper? I got sick of Amarok 1.3.1 being in Breezy and Dapper and so backported 1.3.6 to Breezy, but it would be even more trivial to push it to Dapper.06:56
StevenKajmitch: Right.06:56
ajmitchyes, we're doing new upstream versions where appropriate06:57
ajmitchamarok is done by the kubuntu team06:57
ajmitchwe don't have many DDs in the MOTU team, sadly06:58
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StevenKajmitch: Order me around, I'll do stuff. :-)06:58
ajmitchyou want to do merges? http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is a small list :)06:59
ajmitch473 unassigned06:59
StevenKajmitch: Be gentle, this will be my first one.06:59
ajmitchyou're not new to packaging though :)06:59
StevenKNope.07:00
StevenKLemee start by making a dapper pbuilder.07:00
ajmitchhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge has the steps in detail07:00
ajmitchpeople are using a script to file the malone bugs for the merges07:01
ajmitchsomething we really want to do for dapper is get changes back into debian where possible07:01
StevenKBy NMU'ing or by filing bugs?07:01
ajmitchsuggestions are welcome for how to get this done with minimal flames07:01
StevenK:-P07:02
ajmitchsince I'm about the only MOTU who's a DD currently, I'd hate to try & NMU the universe07:02
lifelessheh07:02
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lifelessthat would -hurt-07:02
ajmitchI'd probably get death threats or something :)07:02
StevenK"I'm preparing to NMU ... the entire of Debian."07:03
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KyralStevenK: Duplicate your Breezy one and upgrade it to Dapper07:03
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StevenKThat assumes I have a Breezy one.07:03
StevenK(Which I do. :-)07:03
Kyralhehe07:04
Kyralits not like its hard :P07:04
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ajmitchmore australians.. :)07:04
Lathiatheh07:04
ajmitchhello wjb07:04
wjbhello07:04
StevenKYes, we're invading.07:04
wjbg'day, rather07:05
ajmitchI thought we were doing that to you?07:05
StevenKShush.07:05
ajmitch1/2 a million kiwis in .au already :)07:05
StevenKajmitch: It's not like it matters to the rest of the world - most of them consider .nz to a state of .au anyway. :-P07:06
StevenKEr, to be a07:06
crimsunHas anyone chatted with Scott Ritchie lately?07:07
ajmitchlike the LCA organisers07:07
StevenKajmitch: *nod*07:07
crimsun(I'm wondering what the status of wine 0.9 is, particularly if we can sync from Sid)07:07
ajmitchreminds me that I should try my credit card on the LCA page again07:08
StevenKajmitch: Surely we don't need to merge in linux-kernel-di-{i386,powerpc}-2.6?07:08
ajmitchno, we certainly don't07:08
ajmitchsome packages should be removed & blacklisted07:09
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StevenKGnome should also be killed from that list.07:10
StevenKThat reminds me. I really need to decide if I'm going to LCA '0607:10
ajmitchmight as well07:10
StevenKHeh.07:10
ajmitchit's probably just as cheap as flying to perth07:10
StevenKCheaper.07:11
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ajmitchapart from taxes07:11
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ajmitchI just told mine that I'm going07:11
ajmitchas it's only about 10 minutes from here07:11
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=== ajmitch wishes this upgrade would go just a little faster
StevenKLala.07:14
=== StevenK just did Breezy->Dapper in 10 minutes.
ajmitchpbuilder still upgrading?07:14
ajmitchnot bad07:15
KyralNight all07:15
Lathiatwow07:15
Lathiattook me like07:15
Lathiat30 mins+07:15
ajmitchnight Kyral07:15
ajmitchit'll take me a bit longer than that07:15
StevenKHrm.07:15
StevenKApparently, changes were persistant, but /etc/issue has gone back to breezy.07:16
StevenKMaybe I needed both --save options.07:16
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ajmitchok, paid up for LCA07:23
ajmitchnow I can get back to packaging07:23
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ajmitchwhy did I take on debian maintenance of a php package?07:26
StevenKMuahahaha07:26
ajmitchespecially one that has pending security fixes07:27
crimsunbecause you love pain?07:27
ajmitchobviously07:27
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StevenKEr, curses the BoM. :-)07:29
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StevenKRight. One dapper pbuilder base tarball. For some reason it happens to be 320Mb.07:32
ajmitchthat's fairly large07:34
StevenKCompared to Breezy, which is 70Mb, it's massive.07:34
Lathiat /var/cache/apt/archives not cleaned or something?07:35
StevenKJust about to do that.07:36
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StevenK173Mb. Much better.07:38
ajmitchhm, looks like amarok 1.3.6 is in dapper now07:39
StevenKWhee!07:39
ajmitchas of yesterday07:39
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ajmitchhey viviersf07:39
viviersfmorning07:39
viviersfhow you ?07:39
StevenKHrm. packages.u.c hasn't been updated yet.07:39
ajmitchI'm good07:40
StevenK73Mb. All better.07:42
StevenKSo, does someone want to give me a rundown, or thrown me at the dummy's guide to merging?07:43
StevenKs/\(throw\)n/\1/07:43
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dholbachgood morning08:02
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crimsunre daniel08:02
dholbachhey daniel :)08:02
dholbachhow are you?08:02
ajmitchhey dholbach08:02
dholbachhey andrew08:03
crimsundholbach: not bad, yourself?08:03
dholbachi'm waking up, but i'm fine :)08:03
crimsunrockin'08:03
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StevenKWhich is ... interesting.08:22
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zakame'lo08:49
dholbachhi zakame :)08:49
zakameei dholbach :)08:49
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zakameI'm reading up on LWP now, working on (hopefully) a set of cli tools to interact with Malone08:50
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freeflyingcrimsun: ping09:01
crimsunfreeflying: pong09:01
freeflyingcrimsun: zhcon can't support utf809:01
Treenaksfreeflying: so?09:03
freeflyingTreenaks: cce can09:04
Treenaksfreeflying: gnome-terminal works fine09:04
Treenaksxterm too09:04
Treenaksurxvt as well, or so I heard09:04
freeflyingTreenaks: these can not work under console09:05
Treenaksfreeflying: my console runs in unicode mode anyway09:05
crimsunfreeflying: what seems to be the issue? Does the Debian version work perfectly, whereas Ubuntu's doesn't?09:06
freeflyingcrimsun: zhcon will not develop09:06
crimsunmeaning it's unmaintained, or...?09:07
freeflyingcrimsun: the author of zhcon will not work on it09:07
crimsunok, so it's unmaintained. Is this issue present in Debian's package, too?09:08
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freeflyingcrimsun: same as ubuntu09:10
crimsunfreeflying: I'm not sure what this has to do with cee.09:15
crimsuncce, rather09:15
freeflyingcrimsun: with patch ,cce can work well under utf809:16
crimsunright, but cce isn't in Dapper09:18
freeflyingcrimsun: cce in debian dosen't support utf809:23
crimsunfreeflying: there's no cce source in Dapper at all09:24
crimsunfreeflying: I'm all for applying a patch that will make it work, but it's moot if the source doesn't even exist in the archive09:24
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freeflyingcrimsun: may it be sync from ddebian09:25
crimsunfreeflying: it doesn't exist in Debian, either, except in oldstable09:25
crimsunfreeflying: moreover, that version in oldstable is even older than the version that is in warty/hoary/breezy09:26
freeflyingcrimsun: it exsit in breezy ,how can it be included in dapper?09:27
crimsunfreeflying: that's more likely an issue that the Tech Board can address09:27
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ajmitchhi \sh09:41
crimsunre \sh09:41
shawarmaHi guys!09:47
shawarmaI have a Makefile that includes a bunch of dependency files and a target that creates these dependency files.. I would like to be able to run the clean target without generating all these dependency files... How can I do that?09:48
shawarmaI guess you could say that what I actually want is to NOT include these dependency files if I'm just running the clean target... Is that even possible?09:49
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shawarmaNever mind. I just remembered the name of the make irc channel (#devtools). I'll ask there instead.09:50
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\shmoins09:58
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siretartmorning!10:04
ajmitchmorning siretart!10:06
\shhey siretart10:06
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ajmitchonly ~1000 more packages to upgrade to get this box up to dapper :)10:15
dholbachROCK :)10:15
ajmitchthen the real fun can start10:15
\shajmitch: aehm10:15
\shajmitch: debtags will segfault right now10:15
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ajmitch\sh: no surprise10:15
siretartwriting makefiles for embedded operating systems is NOT fun :/10:15
ajmitchbut I don't have it installed :)10:15
\shsistpoty: u rock :)10:17
sivanghi all10:17
siretartoh yes, he does!10:17
ajmitchwhat does he rock for today?10:19
jsgotangcohiya10:20
ajmitchhi10:21
jsgotangcohow cold is 2deg C?10:21
Treenaksjsgotangco: almost freezing10:21
Treenaksjsgotangco: (0C = freezing)10:21
jsgotangcogyahh10:22
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Treenaksjsgotangco: [F]  = [C]   9/5 + 3210:22
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jsgotangcooh my i hope it still doesnt snow10:23
ajmitch:)10:23
Treenaksjsgotangco: what's wrong with snow? )10:24
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\shajmitch: he inserted a column for stdc++ in revu mom tool :=10:24
ajmitchI feel like joining in ubuntu development with the MOTUs10:24
ajmitch\sh: ah that10:24
ajmitch\sh: I saw when he broke it earlier :)10:24
jsgotangcoTreenaks, i'm a tropical person don't really like snow (last experience was bad)10:24
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StevenKAnd I'm confused - I was looking to merge in xcruise, which REVU MoM said it needed to be, but xcruise 1.0.6-1ubuntu1 is in dapper already ....10:38
ajmitchbecause the list on REVU is automatically generated10:41
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ajmitch& the person who did xcruise didn't file the bug with the exact required title, I think10:41
StevenKRight.10:41
StevenKThen I looked at sawfish and got myself neatly tied up in a knot trying to figure out what to do about rep-gtk, so now I'm back to looking for a easy one.10:42
ajmitchaha :)10:42
StevenKHah. openoffice.org.10:42
StevenKYeah, let's merge that. :-P10:42
ajmitchmost of the zope ones can be ignored, since they're nearly all 'package orphaned in debian'10:42
ajmitchsure, why not? :)10:43
StevenKHurray! I found one!10:43
StevenKofflineimap looks pretty simple.10:43
StevenKajmitch: Feel like holding my hand? :-)10:44
ajmitchjust go for it :)10:45
ajmitchit has a nice small patch10:45
ajmitchnothing dropped10:45
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ajmitchreview the patch, I can see 1 patch hunk that shouldn't be applied10:46
ajmitch2 now, both are just for the version number10:46
StevenKYou're reading the ubuntu patch?10:48
ajmitchthe merged debdiff10:48
ajmitchwhich is generally the one that matters10:48
ajmitchbtw I recommend getting the motu-tools branch from http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/ with bzr10:49
ajmitch& using it for filing the bugs in malone10:49
lucasajmitch: we should discuss the naming of "tools for MOTUs" packages10:50
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lucasI started working on my own set of tools, which is more about dealing with packages lists10:50
ajmitchyes, I saw that10:50
lucascurrently it is motutools without "-"10:51
ajmitchStevenK: you can use it like:10:51
ajmitch ./newmerge.py --new nautilus-python10:51
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\shuh oh...TV station is doing some recordings here10:56
ajmitchfun10:56
\shcolleague of mine was spreading ubuntu cds all over my desk10:56
sivangfun10:56
sivang\sh: seems you have an interesting workplace :)10:57
Treenaks\sh: you did some "hug day" things as well? :P10:57
ajmitchwell I'm going to go & sleep10:57
ajmitchnight all10:58
Treenaksajmitch: night10:58
StevenKWheee.11:02
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\shTreenaks: "hug day things as well?"11:13
Treenaks\sh: ask dholbach11:13
\shTreenaks: I will do the new cxx trans and some other merges :)11:15
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bmgzAnnoying Magick::Image.read() problem with rmagick-ruby package (Ruby ImageMagick Lib) anyone encountered this?11:18
bmgzThe first 8 characters of the filename are ignored?11:19
bmgzso I have to Magick::Image.read("xxxxxxxxmyfile.jpg")...??11:20
bmgzany1?11:22
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viviersfive had just about enough of grub11:47
dredgbut grub tastes like happy11:49
raphinkgrub \o/12:09
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pefwhat's the policy about packages having non available entry in Suggest/Recommends ?12:18
pefshould I delete the entry and make a new revision ?12:18
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bmgzanyone know where to find a _working_ rmagick-ruby package?12:31
dholbachbmgz: if it used to work, you could try reading the changelog12:32
bmgznever used to work..12:33
dholbachhmm, upstream cvs? upstream bugzilla?12:33
bmgznaaah a bug report was posted over a year ago..12:34
bmgzobviously not important enough12:34
bmgzI suppose I'll have to dith the rubyonrails effort, I don't have time for bugs..12:39
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shawarmaWhen you guys want to package a new package, how do you get started? Do you usually do it manually, use dh_make or copy off of some similar package?12:50
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shawarmaor do you maybe have your own private template?12:52
dredgusually i dh_make it and edit the output01:02
dredgbut more recently i've had to package about 20 perl modules for work and dh-make-perl is my new friend01:04
shawarmaOk.01:05
shawarmaI used to use dh_make, too, but I spent soo much time removing stuff, so I started copying off of others, which so far seems like a good way to go..01:06
dredgi don't think it really matters as long as it doesn't suck :)01:06
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shawarmadredg: Nor do I, I was really just looking for some tips from the more experienced people here.01:12
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dholbachslomo, lathiat: new gnome-user-share :)01:17
slomodholbach: *sigh* i'll never finish maths :P /me updates it01:17
dholbach:)01:17
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slomodholbach: oh no, we need avahi 0.6 first01:20
Lathiatbefore what?01:20
Lathiatapart from everything ;)01:20
dholbachnew g-user-share01:20
slomoLathiat: new gnome-user-share01:20
Lathiatah01:21
Lathiatwas it updated to avahi .6 api?01:21
slomoyes01:21
Lathiatcool01:21
Lathiat0.6 or 0.7 ?01:21
Lathiati think g-u-s was 0.601:21
Lathiatlike di da new version after the first avahi supporting version come out?01:21
slomognome-user-share 0.9 needs avahi >= 0.601:22
Lathiatah ok01:23
Lathiatcool01:23
slomoLathiat: btw, what are the remaining issues stopping avahi to get into main?01:24
Lathiatslomo: i have no idea01:24
Lathiati've been tryign to fidn out whats blocking the zeroconf spec among other things01:24
Lathiatno one seems to know01:24
Lathiatall is aw one the approvaer had some 'technical issues' with it01:24
Lathiatas for the main incl report for avahi im not sure01:24
slomohmm... so ask pitti what the problems with avahi itself are01:25
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StevenKSeems kinda wrong preparing a merge with an @d.o address ...01:48
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StrikeForceif there is a new upstream version do I revert back to 0.1 in the numbering scheme?02:13
dholbacha new upstream version, debian does not have yet?02:17
StrikeForcedholbach, yeah debian doesn't have rufus02:19
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dholbachthen it's -0ubuntu102:19
StrikeForcedholbach, ok thanks02:19
zakamehi all02:19
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StrikeForcehi zakame02:20
StrikeForcecan someoen point me to where I can learn how to setup mime files?02:20
zakamehi StrikeForce02:20
StrikeForcein the packages02:20
StrikeForceso that bittorrent can be associated with rufus?02:20
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zakamehi pef02:26
StrikeForceis anyone else having dependancy issues with debhelper?02:30
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StrikeForcewhat filebrowser do we use?02:40
pefhey zakame  :)02:43
zakameei pef :D02:49
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tseng_nice, debhelper is uninstallable03:05
StrikeForcetseng, yeah03:07
StrikeForceI thought it might be just me03:07
zakamein the latest dapper?03:07
StrikeForcezakame, thats what I was asking earlier03:07
StrikeForcedue to dependancy issues03:09
zakamegaah03:09
StrikeForceDepends: po-debconf but it is not installable03:09
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StrikeForceon a side note03:11
StrikeForceI have a .desktop file installed03:11
StrikeForceand I haven't made a direct link to the icon but just listed it there and obviously installed it into the right directory03:11
StrikeForcehow do I make the desktop file find the icon without referencing it directly03:11
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_pefStrikeForce: just put the icon name I think03:15
StrikeForceyeah I've done that however it still doesn't find it?03:16
_pefkmail.desktop uses icon=kmail03:16
StrikeForceI've just adjusted it so I'll wait and see03:21
StrikeForceI thought I had done it03:21
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zakameis python2.1 and 2.2 to be dropped in dapper?03:35
ogra2.3 hopefully too :)03:38
tseng_did debian do the 2.4 transition?03:39
ograsadly not completely ...03:39
ogralooks like we need to kepp it for dapper03:39
ogra:/03:39
tseng_i see03:40
tseng_i have a feeling we'll be doing alot of crazy stuff in dapper+103:40
zakameI'm asking since logilab-common's mom debdiff seems to drop these, so it build for 2.3 and 2.403:40
StrikeForcethere seems to be a some deps of python2.3's left in some debian packages03:41
tseng_how often does MoM run?03:41
ograzakame, if you merge a package and it already has 2.4 bindings in, you should try o make it work with 2.403:41
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zakameogra: 2.4 only?  it seems to build fine as it is, but I think the current b-ds from debian are a bit heavy, ranging from 2.1 to 2.403:43
ograzakame, we dont have/support < 2.303:44
jsgotangcohello03:44
zakameogra: ok, I shall do a new debdiff then ;)03:44
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chxhi. there is a problem with sshfs in dapper. apt-get install sshfs errors with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/sshfs-fuse/sshfs_1.2-1_i386.deb03:46
chxand http://www.mail-archive.com/dapper-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00464.html according to this there is indeed a newer one03:47
ograchx, did you file a bug ?03:48
chxogra: not yet.. do not even know where and hwo03:55
chxs/hwo/how03:55
ograchx, malone03:57
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chxogra: elaborate?04:02
ograhttps://launchpad.net04:03
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KyralI love transitions04:03
KyralEpiphany broke04:03
KyralWhy does Epiphany depend on Firefox anyway...04:04
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chxoh launchpad...04:05
chxogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/i386/+search?text=sshfs04:06
ograKyral, rewrite it to depend on dillo ;)04:06
Kyraldillo?04:06
KyralYes, you must love the ability of Open Source04:07
Kyralyou don't like how a program works you have the right to rewrite it04:07
Kyralbut I'm about to go on Thanksgiving break so04:08
tseng_epiphany uses gtkmozembed from mozilla/firefox04:08
tseng_because gtkhtml isnt nearly as good for general purpose web rendering04:09
Kyraloh ogra did you ever get around to signing my key?04:09
ograKyral, not yet ...04:09
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Kyralokay04:09
KyralI signed your, mind if I upoad it to the servers?04:10
tseng_you should really mail it to him04:10
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KyralI forgot the GPG command to generate the attachment X_X04:11
chxogra: the above URL reveals nothing, i really would like to file a bug against sshfs but can't find it:(04:22
jsgotangcothere's a nifty script to do that04:22
ograchx, file it against unknown ?04:23
zakameogra: going back at python packages, should I drop b-ds for python2.3-dev, only to leave 2.4?04:27
ograzakame, if it works without 2.304:31
zakameok, will try :D04:31
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zakamecan some motu please check malone 4635 , debdiff? thanks :)05:15
UbugtuMalone bug #4635: common (Ubuntu) - logilab-common: merge new debian version Fix req. for: logilab-common (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/463505:15
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zakamenight all :D05:16
siretartgn8 zakame05:16
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siretarthow to name a skript which fetches source packages from the mirror with the distribution and package configurable?05:22
jamessan|workcan't you do that with "apt-get source ..." ?05:23
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siretartjamessan|work: no, I need this to work with several repositories, at the minimum ubuntu, debian and marillat05:24
siretartand easily extensible05:24
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siretartjamessan|work: I now reinvestigated your suggestion, and indeed this does work. the problem is, that I have to work around the bug, that apt does not respect the --target-release option when fetching source packages :/06:10
jamessan|worksiretart: I thought that had been fixed already06:11
jamessan|work  * support for apt-get [build-dep|source]  -t (closes: #152129)06:12
jamessan|workapt 0.6.4206:12
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siretartjamessan|work: ah, thats apt in dapper. interesting06:14
siretartthis faciliates quite a bit06:14
\shre06:14
siretarthi \sh06:14
\shlibstdc++ love?06:14
jamessan|work:)06:14
\shdebtags?06:14
siretart\sh: huh?06:15
\shapt needs a rebuild...mvo is working on it because of the new allocator in g++06:15
\shdebtags e.g. segfaults because of this06:16
siretartexcellent, and I'll need apt from dapper on tiber :/06:17
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\shsiretart: rebuilding should work...if you have actually the new g++ installed06:17
siretart\sh: new g++? doesn't it build with g++ from breezy?06:18
\shsiretart: it will..06:20
siretartbut?06:20
\shoh u need to backport it...i thought u want to compile it on dapper :)06:20
siretartok06:21
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kikohey hey06:24
kikohow's it going?06:24
dholbachhi kiko06:27
kikoheya dholbach06:27
dholbachyou want to get involved in the motu crowd as well? :)06:27
dholbachhow are you?06:28
kikoI was more looking for somebody interested in packaging kiwi (a python extension to pygtk) :)06:28
kikonot too bad, and the weather is perfect!06:28
dholbachkiko: i will talk to all the motu-python-fans06:29
dholbachkiko: until now, you could put it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates06:29
kikoI know that ajmitch saved me once with pyflakes06:29
dholbachso we don't loose track of it :)06:29
kikobut somebody stole his laptop!06:29
dholbachyeah :(06:29
dholbachi wish we would have caught those thieves06:30
dholbach...after a long day of spec-writing...06:30
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kikowould have been fun sport06:32
dholbachyes, i think so :)06:33
dholbachif i ever see a lazy motu, i will introduce them to the delights of pyflakes and kiwi06:33
kikoI don't think such a thing exists06:33
dholbachwhat? a lazy motu? :)06:34
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kikoyes!06:34
dholbachthat's a nice thing to say :)06:34
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lfittldholbach: Could you review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=995 and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=996 again?07:00
dholbachsure07:00
lfittl:)07:01
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Kyralhmm07:07
Kyralis the libhtkembedmoz.so used in Thunderbird the same as the one used in Firefox?07:07
kikogtk you mean, yes?07:07
kikomost probably not07:07
Kyraldangit07:07
kikodholbach, my man, kiwi is now listed on UniverseCandidates07:07
dholbachkiko: rock'n'roll07:08
KyralEpiphany was crippled with the last update to firefox because the file disappeared07:08
kikodholbach, I owe you big-time if you make it happen for dapper07:08
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Kyralyet it exists in thunderbird's dir07:08
dholbachkiko: i will keep it in mind07:08
kikothanks07:08
KyralI was gonna symlink them together07:09
kikoand depend on each other? I think they aren't the same because gtkmozembed moves quickly and the releases are not time-synced07:10
Kyralyah thats why I asked :P07:10
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raphinkhelp I'm getting crazy!07:21
KyralWelcome to the club07:22
raphink:(07:22
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raphinkI've been trying to package a library since yesterday07:22
raphinkafter 3 hours of work I eventually found out where the .so. where in the source when compiled07:22
raphinkbut they don't appear when I build my package!07:22
raphink:( :( :(07:23
alleeraphink: hi, what do you pkg?07:23
raphinka new lib, called libeduwidgetclock07:23
raphinkpart of kalcul07:23
raphinkI pkg kalcul @ the same time of course ;07:24
alleeraphink: eh? are libeduwidgetclock and kalcul in same or different tarballs?07:24
raphinkdifferent07:24
raphinkthey were initially in the same07:25
raphinkI asked the mainstream dev to separate them07:25
raphinkso now I have to build this lib package07:25
alleeraphink: ah, so others apps are using libeduwidgetclock too07:25
raphinknot yet allee07:25
raphinkplease don't tell me I don't need to separate them07:26
raphinki've been told the goal is : no lintian output07:26
raphinkand lintian said it should be separated07:26
slomoyou need to separate library packages anyway...07:26
slomo-dev and normal package07:26
Kyralslomo: did you get your problems sorted out?07:26
raphinkallee: are you MOTU?07:27
slomoKyral: no... as apt is broken and the important cached archives too i can't do anything from a livecd with a chroot... i'll reinstall everything at the weekend :/07:27
alleeraphink: oh, okay I don't say it ;) Other way round: lintian is not perfect.  But you're only in trouble is upstream does not care about API stability and soname of libeduwidgetclock ;)07:27
Kyralslomo: how is Apt broken?07:27
raphinkallee: PM07:28
alleeraphink: no, I'm not a MOTU.  Is it okay when I help you neverhteless? :)07:28
slomoKyral: libstdc++07:28
Kyralthat broke too?07:28
KyralI just reinstalled it07:28
Kyralsudo apt-get --reinstall install foo07:28
slomoKyral: well, as apt-get is broken and the cached archive.... dpkg too btw ;)07:28
Kyralouch07:29
KyralThis is what we get for being cocky :D07:29
slomoKyral: i have a feeling that the whole filesystem is damaged07:29
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kiko-afkajmitch_!07:29
Kyralslomo: :(07:29
Kyraldo the fsck tools work?07:29
ajmitch_kiko!07:29
slomoKyral: fortunately i have /home on a different partition ;) i hope this one is still working after reinstalling07:29
Kyralslomo: I think that having /home mounted elsewhere should be Ubuntu's default config :D07:30
slomoKyral: no idea... i'll just reinstall... that way i finally get a clean system again ;) i have stuff from hoary times flying around there07:30
Kyral(well, every Distro's default config)07:30
slomoKyral: yes... i can second that ;)07:30
KyralLet us draft a proposal for Dapper :D07:30
KyralBut....after Thanksgiving07:31
slomowhat about 4 partitions then? swap, root, home and rescue? where rescue reinstalls a default system when everything is broken ;P07:31
KyralGrandma's Cooking > ALL!07:31
KyralThere is only one concept I like in XP07:31
Kyraland its the System Restore07:32
Kyralwe need to create something like that for Linux07:32
Kyralthe ability to rollback to a previous config07:32
slomowe already have this... it's called (incremental) backup ;P07:33
Kyralbut in an easy to use thingy07:33
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Kyralhave it run as a daemon, making checkpoints every week or so, then when the bad stuff happens be able to restore to a checkpoint with one command or click07:34
kiko-afkajmitch, how's NZ? missing the laptop?07:35
ajmitchNZ is nice, and yeah, I am07:35
ajmitchgood to be back home, shame about having to be back at work07:36
ajmitchare you still on vacation there?07:37
kiko-afkhey, work is never a shame, or shouldn't be07:37
kiko-afkno, back in the office as well07:37
kiko-afkand just as well I am, because I am no good at vacation!07:37
slomoKyral: daemon? why not a cronjob?07:38
Kyralgood point07:38
KyralI haven't gotten the hang of Cron yet :P07:38
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KyralI can't get any of my user jobs in the crontab to execute07:39
slomohi tseng_ :)07:39
tseng_your user crontab?07:39
Kyralyah07:39
tseng_oh yes07:39
Kyralnor in my root one for that matter07:39
tseng_dont you need to be in the cron group?07:39
Kyraldunno07:39
tseng_or was that some other distro07:40
KyralI'm not too versed in Cron :D07:40
tseng_we have a crontab group07:40
tseng_try joining it and logging in again07:40
ajmitchwe do? interesting07:40
tseng_maybe i am making things up07:40
ajmitchcron works for me without that group07:40
Kyralwell, it might explain my neither my root or user crontabs work07:41
tseng_hi slomo07:41
tseng_have you checked your logfiles?07:41
Kyralyah07:41
Kyralthe normal system cronjobs in /etc/cron.daily and whatnot run07:42
Kyralbut not the ones I plant07:42
tseng_thats entirely different07:42
KyralAll I want to do is set it so I don't have to remember to update my PBuilders07:42
tseng_cant you put a hook in the pbuilder to update at the start of every build?07:43
tseng_the buildds do that on sbuild07:43
KyralI dunno07:43
KyralI don't know much about pbuilder07:43
Kyralexcept how to use it and how to manage multiple ones07:43
tseng_--hookdir [location of user scripts] 07:44
Kyralah07:44
Kyralin the pbuilderrc?07:44
tseng_              D<digit><digit><whatever-else-you-want>   is   executed   before              unpacking  the  source  inside  the chroot, after setting up the              chroot environment.07:44
tseng_read the manpage07:45
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juliuxdholbach, ping07:47
dholbachjuliux: i saw the query07:48
tseng_dholbach: !07:48
juliuxdholbach, but \sh means i should it do here07:48
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dholbachhey tseng  :))07:49
juliuxdholbach, i tried to build gnome bluetooth control remote07:49
dholbachjuliux: control remote?07:49
juliuxdholbach, http://chileforge.cl/docman/view.php/76/145/gbtcr.html07:49
juliuxdholbach, there you should use gnome-autogen.sh07:49
juliuxdholbach, the problem is that there is no config.status and so make failed07:50
dholbachreally? doesnt it come with a configure script and Makefile.in already?07:50
juliuxdholbach, no07:50
dholbachconfig.status is a generated file07:50
dholbachgnome-common contains   gnome-autogen.sh07:50
dholbachyou can try running it07:50
dholbachand tell upstream to provide a proper tarball :)07:51
juliuxdholbach, gnome-autogen.sh runs with no problems07:51
\shi'm changing laptops...brb07:51
juliuxdholbach, but than there is no config.status and make failed07:51
dholbachpaste me the output of ./configure && make in a query07:51
ajmitchdon't remind me about laptops :)07:51
tseng_damn, i need to update my wiki page07:52
juliuxdholbach, without running gnome-autogen.sh there is no configure07:52
dholbachthen after it07:52
juliuxok07:52
slomojuliux: so you have 2 options... run g-a.sh at build-time or make a patch with all generated files... the first one is probably cleaner but you have to be careful with build-depends on the correct automake version etc07:53
juliuxslomo, ok, but i am not an developer07:53
dholbachand additionally, talk to upstream about providing a proper tarball :)07:53
dholbachusually a  ./autogen.sh && make dist    should provide them with the release tarball07:54
juliuxi have a dinner now07:59
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rbelemhey slomo08:03
slomohi rbelem :)08:04
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rbelemslomo: did you see that mail about ardour?08:07
slomorbelem: ardour? no... the last one was your mail about gtkcairo... hmm, send it again :)08:08
rbelemslomo: ok... i'll send it now08:08
rbelemslomo: done08:09
slomorbelem: thanks... i'll read it later :)08:10
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\shrbelem: ardour is missing to build on amd64 or ppc i think08:11
rbelem\sh: the upstream maintainer says that ardour at ubuntu is very unstable08:12
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\shrbelem: ardour maintainer should fix build issues on amd64 and ppc :)08:13
\shrbelem: seriously...I merged it the other day..and I have it on my list to fix08:13
\sh.oO(when I know what its doing)08:13
rbelemehehe08:13
rbelem\sh: do you want to read the upstream mail?08:14
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\shrbelem: send it to sh@sourcecode.de08:15
ajmitchok, I have passport in hand, what country should I visit? ;)08:16
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rbelem\sh: done08:17
rbelemajmitch: Brazil, Amazonas ;-)08:18
rbelemajmitch: visit the rain forest08:19
ajmitchhm08:19
ajmitchit would be fun, I'm sure08:19
ajmitchbut I have to go to work now08:19
rbelemehehehe08:19
rbelemMark and kiko was here in august08:20
ograrbelem, so youre on the pictures ?08:20
ajmitchbbiab08:20
rbelemogra: yes ;-)08:20
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rbelemogra: i'll send one link08:22
ograyay08:22
sivangrbelem: on their brazil sprint?08:22
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rbelemhttp://www.comunidadesol.org/gallery/mark08:28
rbelemhttp://www.comunidadesol.org/gallery/mark/dsc0297608:28
rbelemsivang: yes ;-)08:29
ograrbelem, cool pic :)08:29
rbelemthis other is pretty cool http://www.comunidadesol.org/gallery/mark/dsc0299208:30
sivangrbelem: I didn't know they were also touring there, I thought they went just for working :)08:30
ograrbelem, but there's no rbelem in the second pic08:31
rbelemogra: i'm little afraid water08:31
rbelemehehehee08:31
ograhhe08:32
rbelemthey jump from the top of the boat08:32
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hervehello08:33
\shbrb grabbing my clothes from the wasching machine...08:33
rbelemsivang: he have some meetings with indt, and another companies at saturday08:34
sivangrbelem: that photos seem like  a small ubuntu conf :)08:35
sivangrbelem: you're working in async?08:35
rbelemsivang: no, async is far away from here and kiko didn't call me to work there ;-)08:36
ograrbelem, did you ask ?08:37
rbelemsivang: a ubuntu conf here could be very cool ;-)08:37
rbelemogra: not yet ehehehe08:37
sivangrbelem: well, this is what I am saying - this looks like a midsize ubuntu conf if to judge by number of participants :)08:37
ograthe "deutshce bank" didnt call me to be their boss yet08:37
ogra*deutsch bank08:37
rbelemehehhehe08:38
rbelemkiko-afk is afk :/08:38
ograhe'll read the backlog08:39
ogra:)08:39
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kiko-afkME?08:39
tseng_if you send him an email he can send you a top posted reply08:39
tseng_he is that good.08:39
ogralol08:39
ajmitchkiko-afk: yes you08:39
rbelemehehehee08:39
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tseng_the one that doesnt look like dave grohl08:40
ograajmitch, yes, you'd have to get up early08:40
kiko-afkwhat other kiko?08:40
kiko-afkthere is only one top-postin kiko I know08:41
rbelemhey kiko... how are you?08:41
kikoI could be a lot worse08:42
kikobut I did crack a helmet on sunday morning08:42
ajmitchogra: I'd have to sleep on the plane08:42
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tseng_you could only work half the week08:42
ajmitchand twice as hard?08:43
ograheh08:43
tseng_i guess you could work on the plane08:43
tseng_since bzr is diconected08:43
ajmitchif I had some real good batteries or power outlets on the plane08:43
tseng_i am thinking of swapping my cdrom for another battery08:43
tseng_more useful08:43
rbelemkiko: how this happened?08:44
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rbelemehehehe08:47
\shre08:50
jpatrickhi \sh08:50
ajmitchhello \sh08:50
sivanghey \sh08:50
tseng_they should switch to django08:51
tseng_and lay off the crack08:51
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kikorbelem, a crash at a race08:53
rbelemkiko: kart?08:56
kikorbelem, mountain biking?08:56
KyralHave a happy Thanksgiving everyone (if you celebrate it)08:56
Kyralcya on Sunday08:56
LaserJockcya Kyral  and happy Thanksgiving08:57
\shrbelem: ping08:57
\shrbelem: this guy didn't write anything what is happening...the mail is somehow useless08:57
rbelemkiko: cool08:58
sivangkiko: you should have tried mountain biking mount royal :) parts of it looked suitable for an extreme rider08:59
kikosivang, I did mountain bike it almost every other day08:59
kikoI had a bike rented in montreal08:59
rbelem\sh: i send question about how errors happen, but no reply09:00
\shrbelem: better is, that he files bugreports :)09:00
rbelem\sh: but the guy that wrote this is the upstream maintainer09:01
\shrbelem: thats why...he is the best man for this task..he can say what is wrong and what not...what is missing etc.09:01
rbelem\sh: i'll contact him to ask what's wrong09:02
rbelemor is better you contact?09:03
\shrbelem: cool...ask him if he has time to come around here :)09:03
rbelemcool09:03
Amaranthis there another C++ transition going on or something?09:04
dholbacha smaller one, yes09:04
ajmitchone done at the same time as debian09:05
Amaranthyeah, i figured that when libstdc++6 was getting upgraded and OO.o was getting removed09:05
Amaranthdamn, i guess i won't be upgrading my home machine to dapper this weekend :/09:05
ajmitchso we shouldn't have to do much assuming that debian maintainers keep on top of things ;)09:05
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\shu won't have fun09:07
\shdebhelper is unmet dep on gcc-4.0-base (as last in the chain)09:07
\shdholbach: btw..we can't start yet with the rebuilding, renaming09:08
dholbach\sh: preparing, but that's all09:08
\shjepp09:09
\shactually i need debhelper again :) good that i had an old dapper chroot09:09
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ajmitchsigh, I broke my dapper pbuilder here now with that problem09:12
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slomoajmitch: same here :) everything's broken here ;)09:13
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dholbachany pythoneers enjoying to review kiko's kiwi on revu? :)09:14
slomodholbach: sure, but i can't testbuild it in pbuilder currently ;)09:14
ajmitchdholbach: sure :)09:14
dholbachhaha :)09:14
dholbachme neither :-p09:14
ajmitchwith a name like that..09:14
dholbachas long as the buildds build it ;)09:14
slomoi like kiwis ;)09:15
ajmitchhm09:15
ajmitchdholbach: why separate build-depends & -indep there?09:15
ajmitchand why only >> 4.1.0 for debhelper?09:15
ajmitchsince you need 4.2.28 for py 2.4, iirc09:15
dholbachseb told me that debhelper was required to be build-depends per policy09:15
dholbachand not indep09:16
dholbachwill update to 4.2.2809:16
ajmitchright09:16
slomodholbach: doesn't lintian warn you about build-depends on all-packages?09:16
dholbachdone, will upload the bunch of fixed mistakes you find09:16
dholbachslomo: no09:16
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dholbachit's fine with lintian09:16
slomodholbach: ok...09:17
ajmitchhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/12/msg01743.html09:17
dholbachajmitch: that was in 2003 :-p09:17
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ajmitchcan't use dh_clean if debhelper is only in build-depends-indep09:17
dholbachcool09:18
slomodholbach: maybe add something to the short description in the -examples pacakge that this  package contains the examples... '(examples)' or something09:18
dholbacherr09:18
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ajmitch ;)09:18
dholbachajmitch: i talked to upstream :)09:19
dholbachslomo:09:19
dholbach+ This package installs some examples to09:19
dholbach+ /usr/share/doc/kiwi-examples09:19
dholbachajmitch: they'll fix it (with some other things for the next release)09:19
ajmitchdholbach: but that's because I just like picking at things09:19
dholbachajmitch: no, i don't like it either09:19
ajmitchdholbach: hopefully upstream is nice & responsive :)09:19
dholbachajmitch: it's kiko and jdahlin :)09:19
dholbach ajmitch i considered it a 'quickfix'09:20
ajmitchI know09:20
slomodholbach: in the short description :) but that's personal preference... keep it only in the long description if you want :)09:20
dholbachslomo: oh yeah, right - will fix that09:20
ajmitchdholbach: sure, and I have similar in my packages09:20
kikoajmitch, be kind to little kiwi09:20
ajmitchkiko: I'm from NZ, I have to be kind to kiwis09:21
ajmitchdholbach: why simple-patchsys?09:21
ajmitchdholbach: since you have no patches..09:21
dholbachajmitch: i tried patching something, i generally keep it in there, else i add it, remove it, add it, remove it, add it for every release ;)09:22
slomoajmitch: maybe for the future... to show others how you would like to get patches applied... but it doesn't hurt anyway ;)09:22
dholbachbut i can chuck it out09:22
dholbach(if it's a matter of approving ;))09:22
ajmitchdholbach: I'd probably approve without it09:23
hervedholbach, I like the irony of the situation09:23
herveit's your turn :-p09:23
dholbachherve: am i really that bad? :)09:23
ajmitchit's just hard for me to build & test this at the moment09:23
ajmitchherve: hah, dholbach asks for this sort of review09:24
dholbachsiretart: could you test-build kiwi?09:24
hervedholbach, no you just made quite the same mistakes as mine :-)09:24
dholbachsiretart: could you revu-build kiwi?09:24
dholbachherve: haha :)09:24
herveajmitch, I'd lke such one too ;-)09:24
dholbachherve: or better say 'ah ah' :)09:24
hervemuhahahaha!!09:25
slomodholbach: you missed one copyright... kiwi/tasklet.py isn't copyright by async but "Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro"09:25
ajmitchherve: I'm not that good at reviewing, I just pick up on some things09:25
dholbachslomo: right09:25
herveajmitch, yes, that's what I call the third eye09:25
lfittlCould somebody do a quick review of http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1004?09:26
dholbachslomo: thanks09:26
slomodholbach: and copyright holder for the other stuff seems to be the whole asyncs, not only one person... don't know if this matters ;)09:26
slomonp09:26
dholbachhm, dunno either, to be honest09:27
ajmitchdholbach: mercilessly bug upstream09:27
slomodholbach: Christian Reis is maintainer/upstream author but not the copyright holder imho09:27
hervelfittl, you raised a nice revu bug ;-)09:27
lfittlherve: ? :)09:27
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lfittlnice :)09:28
dholbachslomo: i'm happy to list the whole bunch of them :)09:28
slomodholbach: ok, then i would list async and gustavo as copyright holders and the whole crew as authors (or only christian as the maintainer?)... but better ask ajmitch for a second oppinion :)09:29
ajmitchslomo: I'd ask kiko09:30
sivangtalking about kiwi I suppose?09:31
ajmitchyes09:31
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ajmitchhello doko_09:32
kikoslomo?09:32
sivangkiko: what is Stoq ?09:36
kikosivang, it's a system we've been developing for some 4 years now09:36
kikobusiness management09:36
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slomokiko: we were reviewing the kiwi package... who should be listed as copyright holder? async and "Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro" or all members of async and gustavo? do you want all authors/contributors listed or only christian reis as the maintainer?09:37
sivangkiko: the page is in brazillian portugeese :)09:37
sivangkiko: that's why IU'm asking. Seems like some sort of inventory management system or so?09:37
kikosivang, inventory, storefront/point-of-sales, purchasing, etc09:38
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kikobut that's pretty much what it is09:38
kikowe need to redo that website09:38
kikoit's so 1980s09:38
sivangkiko: yeah :)09:38
kikoslomo, jdahlin is the current maintainer. as for copyright, I assume the copyright is async, though I don't think gjc or lgs formally handed over the copyright, I could ask them to09:38
slomokiko: in the headers of the files only async and gustavo are listed as copyright holders... when this is correct those two are to be listed imho09:40
kikoslomo, jdahlin tells me that it's correct, that it's both gjc and async, so fine.09:42
dholbachchanged it09:43
dholbachand uploaded it revu again09:43
slomokiko: ok, do you want all authors/contributors listed? or only christian as upstream author?09:43
sivangkiko: kiwi supposed to be easier then directly using pygtk ?09:43
kikosivang, a lot easier!09:44
dholbachslomo: i have a note in there, telling that the full list of contributors is in AUTHORS, which should be fine09:44
kikoslomo, christian is me, for the record. I think it would be nice if all authors were listed, given that lorenzo did most of the porting to pygtk2 and jdahlin maintains it now09:44
sivangkiko: seems like I am going to use it for home-user-backup :)09:44
slomokiko: oh sorry09:44
kikoslomo, nothing to be sorry for -- I really appreciate your review09:45
kikoI'm just typing like mad in 12 channels09:45
slomodholbach: ok, then you got my vote when the generated binary packages are fine which i can't test currently :/09:45
sivangone of them. in spanish :)09:46
dholbachslomo: build them with debuild, do it like a man :)09:46
slomodholbach: i like dpkg-buildpackage ;) but ok, will do09:47
sivangslomo: so we are going to have kiwi in dapper soon?09:49
slomodholbach: hm, doesn't -examples need kiwi itself?09:50
kikoit does.09:51
dholbachnot if you look at them :)09:51
dholbachi just don't want circular dependencies09:51
slomohm, my kiwi package is empty except /usr/share/doc09:51
dholbachoh nice09:51
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herveI like the idea of installing the examples without the whole family09:52
herveif you just want to take a look09:52
hervea recommends is enough to me09:52
kikoat the code?09:52
herveyes, see what kiwi code looks like09:52
kikosure, why not.09:52
sivangherve: but you need to have the kiwi for running the examples no?09:53
lifelesskiwi ?09:53
hervesivang, yes, so the "recommends"09:53
herveit's better with but not mandatory09:53
sivangherve: ah ok, cool09:53
dholbachgot that09:54
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dholbachslomo: i will look at the empty package in a bit, need to do a break09:57
slomodholbach: sure, np :)09:57
slomohm, maybe i should build firefox and epiphany in my running system to get back a working epiphany...09:58
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bur[n] erhas anyoen tried usign gnome-torrent?  http://www.amedias.org/~koke/gnome-torrent/  I made a .deb http://burner.ath.cx/debs/gnome-torrent_0.2-1_i386.deb but for some reason, this app won't download.  Not sure if it's just premature or me.10:18
bur[n] erI just wanted to add that .deb is nothing special, just a checkinstall quick thing10:23
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ograbur[n] er, koke is motu, i guess he knows why he didntpackage it yet10:28
bur[n] erawww :)  I figured that was an ubuntu person with the screenshots & site color scheme ;)10:28
bur[n] erthanks ogra10:28
ograbut poke him if he's around, he probably dropped development on it10:29
bur[n] eri hope he didn't!  it's my one hope to take me away from ktorrent10:36
sivangkiko-afk: still here?10:36
sivangkiko-afk: I tried to use kiwi's latest source release (in a arball) the person example doesn't work, I can't seen to import Proxies, FrameWork etc10:37
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lifelesswhat is kiwi ?10:42
ogralifeless, they provide it in arballs :)10:43
lifelessnono, what *is* kiwi10:43
ogradunno :)10:44
ograbut sivang will10:44
Amaranthit's a MVC framework thing you use with pygtk10:45
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dirkvdbroekHello, I would like to add a package to ubuntu multiverse10:56
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Amaranthdirkvdbroek: what package?10:57
dirkvdbroekveejay.dyne.org10:57
dirkvdbroekIt is a veejay tool10:58
dirkvdbroekcurrently most development is in cvs10:58
dirkvdbroekhowever we are stable10:58
ogradirkvdbroek, why multiverse ?10:58
dirkvdbroekcurrent snapshot is stable enough to be released to a wider audience10:58
dirkvdbroekI thought multiverse was sort of the 'playground' ?10:58
ogranope10:58
ogramultiverse is for non-free stuff10:59
Amaranthmultiverse is legally questionable universe stuff10:59
dirkvdbroekOk, well we do use ffmpeg10:59
ogrado youinclude it ?10:59
dirkvdbroekyes10:59
ograouch10:59
dirkvdbroekit does not install it10:59
ogracan you dynamically link to ours10:59
ogra?10:59
dirkvdbroekhm...10:59
dirkvdbroekLet me check with our 'main guy' since I'm merely packager and chief tester11:00
dirkvdbroek:)(11:00
ograif you could use ffmpeg dynamically, it wouldnt have to go to multiverse .... and code duplication in source packages is a big nono11:01
dirkvdbroekwell, technically we did not include ffmpeg in the source package, rather we have a script that downloads cvs11:01
dirkvdbroekthis is why we want to release binary packages11:02
dirkvdbroeksince 'current' is 'stable'11:02
ograeek... dont do such things in deb packages11:02
ogra(downloading from the web)11:02
dirkvdbroekyes, well, it works, and it's not your average desktop application11:02
dirkvdbroekI guess the most powerfull video processor out there tho11:03
dirkvdbroekbasically a veejay tool but also a tool that we ( as a group of artists) have been succesfully applying on multiple stage performances11:03
dirkvdbroekanyhow,11:03
dirkvdbroekI was wondering if it were possible to release somewhere so some of your users can use synaptic to update veejay.11:04
dirkvdbroekuntil now, it have always been 'alien' .deb packages loosely distributed from some website11:05
dirkvdbroekI like the effort of ubuntu, trying to get stuff done in one place and all,11:05
dirkvdbroekthis is why I took the efford of getting a version ready for ubuntu11:05
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dholbachanybody who wanted to become ubuntu member and is not in #ubuntu-meeting?11:08
ogradirkvdbroek, sorry, i'm in a meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting ...11:08
dirkvdbroekok11:09
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crimsunit's interesting to note the concentration of european members versus north american members11:33
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crimsunsistpoty: thanks for the hugs98 merge yesterday11:33
sistpotyhi11:34
sistpotynp11:34
crimsun(I use it during lecture)11:34
sistpotyhehe, so did I last term11:34
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Amaranthwhoops, gotta go11:51
crimsund'oh, minghua's not here.11:53
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LaserJockhmm, what's the difference between breezy-updates and breezy-security? Doesn't it pretty much take something critical like a  security problem to get something into updates?11:58
crimsunno11:59
ajmitchno, they're separate for a reason11:59
crimsuncase in point would be sabayon11:59
ajmitchsecurity is just for security, it has its special approval queue11:59
LaserJockwhat would it take to get into updates then? I guess wiping out your system or something like that12:00
kiko-afksivang, that's interesting. can you give me further details? a traceback?12:01

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