=== _asbin [n=asbin@aristote.asbin.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] LaserJock: any of your MOTU-Science packages get through REVU yet? === ctd [n=ctd@unaffiliated/ctd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] hey is gnome-desktop-environment just a metapack? [12:43] yea, most likely [12:44] k, because this guy on the forums is wanting to remove Firefox [12:44] if it doesn't say in the package name, only real way is to either install it, or look at the source I would think [12:44] and its taking a load of metapacks out with it [12:44] gnome-desktop-env is a universe package, so it's not necessarily important [12:44] (I don't have it installed) [12:44] Yea, neither do I [12:45] heck I don't have gnome-core installed either [12:45] I really don't see a need to remove firefox either, but *shrug* [12:45] He wants to [12:45] and Linux is all about choices [12:45] guess so === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gazer_ [n=gazer@200.59.116.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] Kyral: no, I got one vote before a new upstream release and my count got reset ;-) [01:09] lol [01:09] I bet after the merge is done [01:09] Kyral: yeah, that's what I'm thinking === StrikeForce [n=marc@203-59-196-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StrikeForce [n=marc@203-59-196-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] hi bmonty [01:53] hey LaserJock [01:54] how is everything today in MOTU land? [01:54] ...and why do you guys keep responding to this Rod Lovett guy on the devel ML? [02:01] bmonty: because people enjoy pain [02:01] hehe...he has troll written all over his messages === LostSole [n=drain@dsl092-238-221.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] they should just blacklist his address and be done with it [02:05] aha, nice reply to his message from ivan :) === zoe [n=zoe@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] hi [02:18] 'lo === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wazza [n=warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bipolar [n=bipolar@66.216.151.243.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6375A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] oops... don't look at the merge page atm ;) [02:54] why not? :) === LaserJock runs to see ;-) [02:55] mmm, nice traceback [02:55] sistpoty broke the db? :) [02:56] kind of... ;) [02:56] should be fine now [02:56] aww I miss all the good boogs ;) [02:56] sistpoty: what is the stdc++ column for on the revu MoM pages? [02:57] these are packages that need to be renamed/rebuilt for libstdc++ reconfiguration [02:57] if they're affected by the libstdc++ allocator change [02:58] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013025.html [02:58] exactly... is this list complete? or does it draw in depending/other packages as well? [02:59] it should be complete [03:00] ok, then I'll update the database with this info in a few secs... this time there should be no downtime ;) [03:01] *crossing fingers* [03:02] update done [03:02] so there is about 13 in the done pile that will need to be redone [03:03] they need to be rebuilt at least [03:04] I guess that won't be to bad. It's really nice to have a list like that [03:04] siretart told me it would be nice to have it this afternoon... well here it is [03:04] ;) === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] he told me this afternoon i meant ;) [03:08] the nasty thing is that for the current list, you'd need to file a merge bug to move it from unassigned to accepted. maybe I'll adjust the email-parser to also allow other bug-titles to move these packages. But not tonight ;) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] ok, I aske once about awk as a build dependency but I can't remember if it was a no-no or if it was ok? [03:11] asked I mean [03:13] awk is required, which means it's a no-no, unless you need a specific version [03:14] so I think that I was told to file a bug report with debian about it rather than fix it in the merge (to minimize the delta) [03:15] but I'm not sure what to say. Just "build dependency awk is not required"? [03:16] yeah, something like that would be good... eventually you might add a patch as well ;) [03:16] k, thanx [03:17] but it's ok, if you fix it in the merge, as long as you file a bug report. you can still request a sync later, once debian also incorporated the fix [03:22] good night [03:22] bbh [03:22] vggyyy y7kk7\ [03:23] StrikeForce: don't fall asleep on your keyboard ;) === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] sistpoty: I still am not quite catching this awk thing. I removed awk from the build dep and everything seems to build fine but there isn't a mention of awk anywhere. So why was it a build dep in the first place? === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-9500.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] LaserJock: maybe in somewhere in a script? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] LaserJock: what package are you referring to? [03:28] tex-guy [03:29] well thats a pain [03:29] I lost one of my onboard SATA connectors [03:29] ok, aclocal.m4 and configure use awk [03:29] Kyral: that sucks [03:29] 'lost'? [03:29] yah [03:29] it came off [03:29] literally === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] well, its still attached, but disattached enough that it was no longer working [03:38] Just another thing in my computer's screwed up history [03:49] Guys I need a solution === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:49] could someone using a LiveCD, make a Linux partition [03:50] sistpoty: so is it ok to take awk out of the build deps ? [03:50] jump into it [03:50] and somehow install the system FROM the LiveCD? [03:50] Kyral: UbuntuExpress [03:51] see the specs, it's planned for dapper [03:51] Is it out yet? [03:51] there is preliminary work done on it [03:51] is there any current method [03:51] yes [03:51] not sure how well it works [03:51] do tell [03:51] impilinux has some, and the guadalinex guys also [03:51] anything from the LiveCD? [03:52] well it's all meant to be used from the live cd [03:52] well this guy fubared his MBR [03:52] before getting Ubuntu on it [03:52] and? [03:52] he can't restore it [03:52] simple to fix [03:52] running install-grub should work [03:53] so should installing the mbr package & using the mbr contained within [03:53] to get windows back [03:53] sudo apt-get install mbr? [03:53] have a look [03:53] LaserJock: if that's your only change, I'd prefer a sync instead of removing awk (because you don't need to care afterwards) [03:54] there's also ms-sys [03:54] But install-grub would work? [03:54] sistpoty: there are some other build-dep changes as well [03:54] it'd just overwrite it [03:54] LaserJock: then it's up to you ;) [03:54] the MBR doesn't work right now [03:54] somehow the XP one died [03:55] sistpoty: I just don't understand how it would work to remove awk. Shouldn't it dep on something? [03:56] LaserJock: since awk is "required" it will always be installed on the buildd. same for things in build-essential, like gcc [03:56] sistpoty: I guess this is a stupid question but how does it know it's required? [03:57] LaserJock: look at the priority field ;) [03:58] LaserJock: awk is a virtual package which depends on mawk or gawk... mawk has priority required [04:00] sistpoty: aww, I see === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === otep [n=otep@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] hey mitch, that ms-sys thing works right? [04:12] how would I know? [04:13] lol [04:13] I just did apt-cache search [04:13] oh well [04:13] his MBR wasn't working before [04:13] so it couldn't hurt [04:17] I'm off to bed... gn8 [04:17] night sistpoty [04:31] about how much RAM od you need to load the LiveCD into RAM? [04:33] or can you hot swap the LiveCD out if you need to use the drive [04:33] Kyral: you need at least 256 MB RAM [04:33] oh? [04:33] you can load it with 128, but it'll be a bit disastrous [04:33] but 512 is enough? [04:33] 512 is plenty === Kyral whews [04:34] I've been helping this guy who accidently nuked his MBR [04:34] and he only has one CD drive [04:34] I have some 256 MB machines that run 5.10/live just fine [04:34] so for the toram option 256 is good? [04:35] the more the better up to a certain point unless you customise the kernel [04:37] just hit toram at the prompt right? [04:38] I'm not even familiar with that option... [04:38] It loads the LiveCD into RAM so the CD Drive is freed up [04:39] hmm, I need to try that. [04:41] cool, sistpoty merged hugs98 [04:41] Kyral: why do you need to swap out the live cd? [04:41] I can look forward to tomorrow afternoon's lecture [04:41] Because this guy only has one CD Drive [04:41] and his Install CD is corrupt [04:41] and his MBR his shot [04:41] and he needs to burn a new copy of the Install CD :P [04:46] Yah something went REALLY wrong === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] can somebody download the debian source for gpib ? [04:58] and can I get somebody to ask elmo to sync xchat-systray? [04:59] and imview-doc [05:04] later. [05:05] nvm about the gpib stuff, it looks like MoM mangled it [05:13] I like seth_k's quit msg === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa30.7.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] if you reinstall your system does your gpg key get messed up? === rob1 [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] LaserJock: you'll want to backup .gnupg or export your keys [05:47] zerokarmaleft: even if I didn't wipe out /home ? [05:47] then you should be fine [05:48] hmm, I seem to be having a problem in thunderbird [05:49] when I look at an email that I signed I get "gpg: BAD signature" === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-32.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-222-183-136.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siggen [n=sigg3n@212.247.71.250] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Hi .. [06:37] I was hoping to become an ubuntu developer. I was also merely wondering about the steps invloved. [06:41] siggen: I would look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember and wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo [06:45] I hate cold showers....*shiver* === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] .. :/ [06:47] siggen: the first steps are generally packaging new software or fixing existing packages [06:47] and we've got plenty to fix :) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] ajmitch: I suspect siggen was asking how to get involved? I'm interested in getting involved too. [06:55] yep [06:55] for example, one of our main tasks at the moment is merging changes that we made in breezy with changes in debian [06:55] we try & keep the changes as small as possible, but it's still a few hundred packages === StevenK nods. [06:56] you're a DD, right? [06:56] How about new upstream versions for dapper? I got sick of Amarok 1.3.1 being in Breezy and Dapper and so backported 1.3.6 to Breezy, but it would be even more trivial to push it to Dapper. [06:56] ajmitch: Right. [06:57] yes, we're doing new upstream versions where appropriate [06:57] amarok is done by the kubuntu team [06:58] we don't have many DDs in the MOTU team, sadly === StevenK ponders hassling them. [06:58] ajmitch: Order me around, I'll do stuff. :-) [06:59] you want to do merges? http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new is a small list :) [06:59] 473 unassigned [06:59] ajmitch: Be gentle, this will be my first one. [06:59] you're not new to packaging though :) [07:00] Nope. [07:00] Lemee start by making a dapper pbuilder. [07:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge has the steps in detail [07:01] people are using a script to file the malone bugs for the merges [07:01] something we really want to do for dapper is get changes back into debian where possible [07:01] By NMU'ing or by filing bugs? [07:01] suggestions are welcome for how to get this done with minimal flames [07:02] :-P [07:02] since I'm about the only MOTU who's a DD currently, I'd hate to try & NMU the universe [07:02] heh === StevenK chuckles. [07:02] that would -hurt- [07:02] I'd probably get death threats or something :) [07:03] "I'm preparing to NMU ... the entire of Debian." === StevenK curses. pbuilder doesn't know about dapper. [07:03] StevenK: Duplicate your Breezy one and upgrade it to Dapper === StevenK nods. [07:03] That assumes I have a Breezy one. [07:03] (Which I do. :-) [07:04] hehe [07:04] its not like its hard :P === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] more australians.. :) [07:04] heh [07:04] hello wjb [07:04] hello [07:04] Yes, we're invading. [07:05] g'day, rather [07:05] I thought we were doing that to you? [07:05] Shush. [07:05] 1/2 a million kiwis in .au already :) [07:06] ajmitch: It's not like it matters to the rest of the world - most of them consider .nz to a state of .au anyway. :-P [07:06] Er, to be a [07:07] Has anyone chatted with Scott Ritchie lately? [07:07] like the LCA organisers [07:07] ajmitch: *nod* [07:07] (I'm wondering what the status of wine 0.9 is, particularly if we can sync from Sid) [07:08] reminds me that I should try my credit card on the LCA page again [07:08] ajmitch: Surely we don't need to merge in linux-kernel-di-{i386,powerpc}-2.6? [07:08] no, we certainly don't [07:09] some packages should be removed & blacklisted === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] Gnome should also be killed from that list. [07:10] That reminds me. I really need to decide if I'm going to LCA '06 [07:10] might as well [07:10] Heh. [07:10] it's probably just as cheap as flying to perth [07:11] Cheaper. === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:11] apart from taxes === StevenK makes a note to bug his boss about it tomorrow. [07:11] I just told mine that I'm going [07:11] as it's only about 10 minutes from here === StevenK forces his VPN to work up. === siggen [n=sigg3n@212.247.71.250] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wishes this upgrade would go just a little faster [07:14] Lala. === StevenK just did Breezy->Dapper in 10 minutes. [07:14] pbuilder still upgrading? [07:15] not bad [07:15] Night all [07:15] wow [07:15] took me like [07:15] 30 mins+ [07:15] night Kyral [07:15] it'll take me a bit longer than that [07:15] Hrm. [07:16] Apparently, changes were persistant, but /etc/issue has gone back to breezy. [07:16] Maybe I needed both --save options. === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63F9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] ok, paid up for LCA [07:23] now I can get back to packaging === StevenK wrangles pbuilder. [07:26] why did I take on debian maintenance of a php package? [07:26] Muahahaha [07:27] especially one that has pending security fixes [07:27] because you love pain? [07:27] obviously === StevenK the BoM. Chance of a shower my right foot. [07:29] Er, curses the BoM. :-) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] Right. One dapper pbuilder base tarball. For some reason it happens to be 320Mb. [07:34] that's fairly large [07:34] Compared to Breezy, which is 70Mb, it's massive. [07:35] /var/cache/apt/archives not cleaned or something? [07:36] Just about to do that. === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] 173Mb. Much better. [07:39] hm, looks like amarok 1.3.6 is in dapper now [07:39] Whee! [07:39] as of yesterday === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] hey viviersf [07:39] morning [07:39] how you ? [07:39] Hrm. packages.u.c hasn't been updated yet. [07:40] I'm good [07:42] 73Mb. All better. [07:43] So, does someone want to give me a rundown, or thrown me at the dummy's guide to merging? 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[08:22] Which is ... interesting. === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.70.216] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] 'lo [08:49] hi zakame :) [08:49] ei dholbach :) === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] I'm reading up on LWP now, working on (hopefully) a set of cli tools to interact with Malone === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] crimsun: ping [09:01] freeflying: pong [09:01] crimsun: zhcon can't support utf8 [09:03] freeflying: so? [09:04] Treenaks: cce can [09:04] freeflying: gnome-terminal works fine [09:04] xterm too [09:04] urxvt as well, or so I heard [09:05] Treenaks: these can not work under console [09:05] freeflying: my console runs in unicode mode anyway [09:06] freeflying: what seems to be the issue? Does the Debian version work perfectly, whereas Ubuntu's doesn't? [09:06] crimsun: zhcon will not develop [09:07] meaning it's unmaintained, or...? [09:07] crimsun: the author of zhcon will not work on it [09:08] ok, so it's unmaintained. Is this issue present in Debian's package, too? === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] crimsun: same as ubuntu [09:15] freeflying: I'm not sure what this has to do with cee. [09:15] cce, rather [09:16] crimsun: with patch ,cce can work well under utf8 [09:18] right, but cce isn't in Dapper [09:23] crimsun: cce in debian dosen't support utf8 [09:24] freeflying: there's no cce source in Dapper at all [09:24] freeflying: I'm all for applying a patch that will make it work, but it's moot if the source doesn't even exist in the archive === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] crimsun: may it be sync from ddebian [09:25] freeflying: it doesn't exist in Debian, either, except in oldstable [09:26] freeflying: moreover, that version in oldstable is even older than the version that is in warty/hoary/breezy [09:27] crimsun: it exsit in breezy ,how can it be included in dapper? [09:27] freeflying: that's more likely an issue that the Tech Board can address === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c138049.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [n=hunger@p54A646C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] hi \sh [09:41] re \sh [09:47] Hi guys! [09:48] I have a Makefile that includes a bunch of dependency files and a target that creates these dependency files.. I would like to be able to run the clean target without generating all these dependency files... How can I do that? [09:49] I guess you could say that what I actually want is to NOT include these dependency files if I'm just running the clean target... Is that even possible? === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] Never mind. I just remembered the name of the make irc channel (#devtools). I'll ask there instead. === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:58] <\sh> moins === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] morning! [10:06] morning siretart! [10:06] <\sh> hey siretart === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] only ~1000 more packages to upgrade to get this box up to dapper :) [10:15] ROCK :) [10:15] then the real fun can start [10:15] <\sh> ajmitch: aehm [10:15] <\sh> ajmitch: debtags will segfault right now === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] \sh: no surprise [10:15] writing makefiles for embedded operating systems is NOT fun :/ [10:15] but I don't have it installed :) [10:17] <\sh> sistpoty: u rock :) [10:17] hi all [10:17] oh yes, he does! [10:19] what does he rock for today? [10:20] hiya [10:21] hi [10:21] how cold is 2deg C? [10:21] jsgotangco: almost freezing [10:21] jsgotangco: (0C = freezing) [10:22] gyahh === jsgotangco is going to seoul next week [10:22] jsgotangco: [F] = [C] 9/5 + 32 === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:23] oh my i hope it still doesnt snow [10:23] :) [10:24] jsgotangco: what's wrong with snow? ) === Treenaks loves snow [10:24] <\sh> ajmitch: he inserted a column for stdc++ in revu mom tool := [10:24] I feel like joining in ubuntu development with the MOTUs [10:24] \sh: ah that [10:24] \sh: I saw when he broke it earlier :) [10:24] Treenaks, i'm a tropical person don't really like snow (last experience was bad) === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-2-162.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK waits for the huge storm to hit. [10:38] And I'm confused - I was looking to merge in xcruise, which REVU MoM said it needed to be, but xcruise 1.0.6-1ubuntu1 is in dapper already .... [10:41] because the list on REVU is automatically generated === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] & the person who did xcruise didn't file the bug with the exact required title, I think [10:41] Right. [10:42] Then I looked at sawfish and got myself neatly tied up in a knot trying to figure out what to do about rep-gtk, so now I'm back to looking for a easy one. [10:42] aha :) [10:42] Hah. openoffice.org. [10:42] Yeah, let's merge that. :-P [10:42] most of the zope ones can be ignored, since they're nearly all 'package orphaned in debian' [10:43] sure, why not? :) [10:43] Hurray! I found one! [10:43] offlineimap looks pretty simple. [10:44] ajmitch: Feel like holding my hand? :-) [10:45] just go for it :) [10:45] it has a nice small patch [10:45] nothing dropped === _asbin [n=asbin@aristote.asbin.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:46] review the patch, I can see 1 patch hunk that shouldn't be applied [10:46] 2 now, both are just for the version number [10:48] You're reading the ubuntu patch? [10:48] the merged debdiff [10:48] which is generally the one that matters [10:49] btw I recommend getting the motu-tools branch from http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/ with bzr [10:49] & using it for filing the bugs in malone [10:50] ajmitch: we should discuss the naming of "tools for MOTUs" packages === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] I started working on my own set of tools, which is more about dealing with packages lists [10:50] yes, I saw that [10:51] currently it is motutools without "-" [10:51] StevenK: you can use it like: [10:51] ./newmerge.py --new nautilus-python === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:56] <\sh> uh oh...TV station is doing some recordings here [10:56] fun [10:56] <\sh> colleague of mine was spreading ubuntu cds all over my desk [10:56] fun [10:57] \sh: seems you have an interesting workplace :) [10:57] \sh: you did some "hug day" things as well? :P [10:57] well I'm going to go & sleep [10:58] night all [10:58] ajmitch: night [11:02] Wheee. === StevenK gets back from moving his car under cover. [11:13] <\sh> Treenaks: "hug day things as well?" [11:13] \sh: ask dholbach [11:15] <\sh> Treenaks: I will do the new cxx trans and some other merges :) === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmgz [n=bmgz@wbs-146-143-142.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:18] Annoying Magick::Image.read() problem with rmagick-ruby package (Ruby ImageMagick Lib) anyone encountered this? [11:19] The first 8 characters of the filename are ignored? [11:20] so I have to Magick::Image.read("xxxxxxxxmyfile.jpg")...?? [11:22] any1? === jamessan [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] ive had just about enough of grub [11:49] but grub tastes like happy [12:09] grub \o/ === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] what's the policy about packages having non available entry in Suggest/Recommends ? [12:18] should I delete the entry and make a new revision ? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmgz [n=bmgz@wbs-146-143-142.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] anyone know where to find a _working_ rmagick-ruby package? [12:32] bmgz: if it used to work, you could try reading the changelog [12:33] never used to work.. [12:33] hmm, upstream cvs? upstream bugzilla? [12:34] naaah a bug report was posted over a year ago.. [12:34] obviously not important enough [12:39] I suppose I'll have to dith the rubyonrails effort, I don't have time for bugs.. === bmgz [n=bmgz@wbs-146-143-142.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:50] When you guys want to package a new package, how do you get started? Do you usually do it manually, use dh_make or copy off of some similar package? === markuman [n=supermar@p50924F68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] or do you maybe have your own private template? [01:02] usually i dh_make it and edit the output [01:04] but more recently i've had to package about 20 perl modules for work and dh-make-perl is my new friend [01:05] Ok. [01:06] I used to use dh_make, too, but I spent soo much time removing stuff, so I started copying off of others, which so far seems like a good way to go.. [01:06]