| juliux | congrats mhz | 12:13 |
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| crimsun | congrats to both of you | 12:13 |
| juliux | crimsun, thanks | 12:14 |
| ogra | yay | 12:14 |
| mhz | thx. | 12:15 |
| === mhz is very happy!! | ||
| ogra | :-D | 12:17 |
| === juliux too | ||
| ogra | :.D + | 12:18 |
| mhz | juliux: so what now? we are more responsible for failures ?? :D | 12:26 |
| mhz | hehehe | 12:26 |
| juliux | mhz, i think so | 12:27 |
| juliux | *g* | 12:27 |
| mhz | ogra: was i off line? | 12:27 |
| mhz | juliux: ping | 12:27 |
| mhz | duh! | 12:27 |
| mhz | this ISP!! | 12:27 |
| mhz | i never knew | 12:27 |
| ogra | mhz, not to my knowledge | 12:27 |
| juliux | mhz, what do you want to know? | 12:28 |
| mhz | juliux: I meant.. I never noticed I was off line. But it felt wired IRC so static for soo long :) | 12:29 |
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| === mhz suffered ubuntu-ufo | ||
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| Diosan | hello room | 12:34 |
| mhz | Diosan: hi | 12:35 |
| Diosan | hows it going | 12:35 |
| juliux | hi Diosan | 12:35 |
| Diosan | hi folks | 12:35 |
| Diosan | this project is very very exciting | 12:35 |
| mhz | Diosan: we think so | 12:36 |
| juliux | gn8 everybody | 12:36 |
| mhz | sleepp well and happy | 12:37 |
| ogra | Diosan, yes, isnt it :) | 12:37 |
| Diosan | yup | 12:38 |
| mhz | ogra: I really appreciate your vote. For a moment I thought I didn't know what 'contributing' meant ;) | 12:38 |
| Diosan | well actually I can't speak from experience now downloading it | 12:39 |
| kjcole | Lot's of energy, and I expect more from the young'un's. ;-) | 12:39 |
| ogra | Diosan, make sure to read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes before installing :) | 12:39 |
| mhz | ogra: next time I know i have to intriduce myself telling what I have done/wanna do. Not who i am :) | 12:39 |
| mhz | kjcole: thx. I will "show some code" | 12:40 |
| mhz | .oO(though I am not a coder) | 12:40 |
| kjcole | Also, if you experiment with LVM during install, don't choose the wipe disk and use LVM, and then expect to cancel out. ;-) | 12:41 |
| mhz | Diosan: no worries. This channel is always open to help | 12:41 |
| mhz | and to receive help as well | 12:41 |
| mhz | :D | 12:41 |
| mhz | heheheheheh | 12:41 |
| mhz | kjcole: indeed | 12:41 |
| Diosan | but I wanted to know if the tux4kids and other application are installed with the OS or have to be added afterward | 12:41 |
| Diosan | wow | 12:42 |
| Diosan | this is the first linux community i have been in that feels like a community and not eliteist | 12:42 |
| mhz | Diosan: there is EdubuntuSoftwareList on the wiki | 12:42 |
| mhz | those are the apps. chosen for this release | 12:42 |
| kjcole | With a lot of the options in the partitioning options, you have a final step that says 'write the changes'. Not so with that LVM option. It just does it. | 12:42 |
| Diosan | and with a whole bunch of people in the channel that are actually willing to helo | 12:43 |
| mhz | ogra: BTW, schooltool is not listed. Because it is not considered app? | 12:43 |
| ogra | mhz, its already in | 12:43 |
| mhz | Diosan: how eliteist? | 12:43 |
| ogra | mhz, rtfm etc ... | 12:44 |
| === mhz checking the list | ||
| mhz | ogra: hmmmmmmm, not in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList | 12:45 |
| ogra | mhz, i meant rtfm with eliteist ... | 12:46 |
| ogra | its a common answer in other linux communities | 12:46 |
| mhz | ogra: I know shcooltool is included because I used it, I just wanted to know if the list you made was based on a criteria or it was missed only | 12:47 |
| mhz | ogra: ahhhh RTFM | 12:47 |
| mhz | that's eliteist!! | 12:47 |
| mhz | duh! | 12:47 |
| === mhz has never used that, so far. | ||
| mhz | so I was ignorant | 12:47 |
| mhz | :) | 12:47 |
| ogra | mhz, i would ban you from the channel if you used it more than once :) | 12:48 |
| mhz | Diosan: sure, RTFM stupid phrases are against our Manifesto, so please feel yourself at home | 12:48 |
| Diosan | good | 12:48 |
| kjcole | Well, with a group that's largely focused on education, one hopes we'd be a community of teachers and learners as well as techies and evangelists. "RTFM" is no way to teach or preach. ;-) | 12:48 |
| mhz | ogra: ooooops, I already used it 3 times in a row :D | 12:48 |
| ogra | hehe | 12:49 |
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| Diosan | im not exactly a newbie to linux | 12:49 |
| mhz | kjcole: indeed | 12:49 |
| Diosan | but i never quite liked the elitism i have seen elsewhere | 12:49 |
| mhz | Diosan: can you tell us about yourself? | 12:49 |
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| Diosan | sure | 12:49 |
| mhz | oooops, Diosan. | 12:49 |
| mhz | my wife calls me for dinner | 12:49 |
| Diosan | I work for the cable company in trinidad and tobago | 12:50 |
| Diosan | np | 12:50 |
| mhz | if i dont follow, she'll kick me butt :) | 12:50 |
| === mhz will read log | ||
| === mhz is now known as mhz_dinner | ||
| kjcole | mhz: bon appitite | 12:50 |
| ogra | yes, mhz_dinner enjoy | 12:51 |
| Diosan | my main interest in the software is as a solution for the schools in this country | 12:51 |
| Diosan | which in my opinion are pretty backward | 12:51 |
| Diosan | bye mhz | 12:51 |
| kjcole | Diosan: Are you keeping an eye on Negroponte's $100 computer? | 12:52 |
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| Diosan | from MIT ? | 12:53 |
| Diosan | yes i have | 12:53 |
| Diosan | very much so | 12:53 |
| Diosan | but i have to admit that the country is affluent enough not to neccesitate that in most cases | 12:54 |
| kjcole | Don't know that there'll be much use in the US... (beggars here are choosers), but elsewhere, lots of possibility, and maybe eventually here too. | 12:54 |
| Diosan | but as with all none first world countries the wealth doesn't seem to get to the people who need it most | 12:55 |
| Diosan | which means poor children suffer | 12:55 |
| Diosan | but in general there is alot of scope for it here | 12:56 |
| Diosan | even if it only begins with the private schools | 12:56 |
| kjcole | My own interest is less in the general use of computers in education, but more about "nostalgia" in a way: | 12:56 |
| Diosan | takes you back to your old apple II E ? | 12:57 |
| kjcole | I was part of a pilot program to introduce programming to high school students in 1973. Until then, I had never fit in anywhere. I wasn't an athlete, I wasn't a scholar, and I wasn't one of the popular kids either. | 12:58 |
| kjcole | "nerd", "geek" and "dork" weren't part of the common vocabulary either, but if they had been, they'd all have been insults. | 12:59 |
| Diosan | I hear you | 12:59 |
| Diosan | I was responsible along with two other students for setting up the computer labs in my school | 01:00 |
| kjcole | But then, out of 60 kids in the pilot program, 5 of us took to it like fish to water. It was as if we'd been starving our whole lives and finally had food in front of us. We gorged on computers. | 01:00 |
| Diosan | we got boxes of old junk from norway that they "donated" | 01:00 |
| Diosan | and put together the machines and made something workable | 01:00 |
| Diosan | had a profound effect on me if you will | 01:00 |
| kjcole | Apple IIe was about the 5th computer I encountered. We started with the Xerox Data Systems (XDS) Sigma 7, running the CP-5 OS. | 01:01 |
| Diosan | I know what you mean, i had been selected after that to do free training and an adult technical facility | 01:01 |
| Diosan | it was wonderful | 01:01 |
| kjcole | And we ended up teaching those students who were either terrified or confused. It was a great feeling. When I went off to college, I majored in computers. When it came time for an internship, I told my advisor | 01:02 |
| Diosan | hmmm | 01:03 |
| Diosan | i thought in highshool as well | 01:03 |
| kjcole | "Put me in a school. I want to work with computers in education." | 01:03 |
| Diosan | i hated school though | 01:03 |
| kjcole | I've been at Gallaudet University ever since then (December 1977). | 01:03 |
| Diosan | i found it so annoying to be in a college tutorial where my pertinent questions and observations were regarded as disruptive | 01:04 |
| Diosan | so i quit | 01:04 |
| Diosan | never been back | 01:04 |
| Diosan | hasn't hurt me too badly though | 01:04 |
| kjcole | I never finished my computer science degree. | 01:05 |
| kjcole | But after several years at gallaudet, and my boss pestering me, I finally went back and got a degree. (He was expecting computer science, but I ended up with an audio technology degree which I've never used.) | 01:06 |
| Diosan | but i always wanted to contribute in a technological way to the progress of this little country | 01:06 |
| Diosan | and i think you also maybe facilaitating me | 01:06 |
| Diosan | facilitating rather | 01:07 |
| kjcole | Well, like you said: Nice community. I'm finding myself sucked into projects and ambitious goals by Edubuntu and kin. So, we facilitate each other, I guess. | 01:08 |
| Diosan | i hear you | 01:12 |
| Diosan | and i am willing to contribute abit | 01:12 |
| Diosan | as soon as I can gain a better understanding | 01:12 |
| Diosan | like actually installing it | 01:12 |
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| kjcole | Heh. I installed Hoary Hedgehog (4.10) and lots of stuff broke. But the philosophy and spirit still interested me. I switched to Fedora (being MUCH more comfy in a RedHat world), but maintained interest. I went to the Montreal meeting, but didn't have Ubuntu installed. I just installed Edubuntu yesterday. | 01:18 |
| kjcole | (And stayed up very late adding packages to it.) | 01:18 |
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| Diosan | lol | 01:20 |
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| kjcole | I'm actually home at the moment, sitting at my old, reliable RH9 box. (It's one old dog that I don't want to teach a new trick.) | 01:21 |
| AstroKing | Hello, I am at the install screen where it asks for IP address. I want to use DHCP, but it seems to demand an IP address. Can I go on by just leaving it blank? | 01:21 |
| kjcole | I ran into that as well. I don't think you can. I ended up temporarily booting into Windoze, getting the IP that DHCP assigned, and then restarting the install using that IP. | 01:22 |
| AstroKing | Ok, will try that. | 01:22 |
| kjcole | Not pretty, but it worked. | 01:23 |
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| AstroKing | Thanks, letting it boot up now. I'm a 2nd grade teacher and our computer lab is full of (mostly) dysfuntional 7-year old iMacs. Trying to figure out something that would be a cheap solution and not pay so much money on windows licenses. | 01:27 |
| kjcole | The wiki doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/I386 says otherwise (claiming to detect DHCP) but that wasn't my experience. | 01:27 |
| kjcole | cool. | 01:28 |
| Diosan | ist really small | 01:29 |
| kjcole | So, where do you teach, and are what lead you to Edubuntu? Already a Linux person or new to it? | 01:29 |
| Diosan | 1 CD | 01:29 |
| Diosan | beautiful | 01:29 |
| Diosan | now all i need is to get a monitor for that spare machine I have home | 01:30 |
| AstroKing | I am in Texas, USA. I went to university for computer science and was into Linux back then, but never was able to find a job after college so I became a teacher. | 01:33 |
| AstroKing | As far as edubuntu, Distrowatch led me to it. | 01:33 |
| Diosan | i went to the site because my supervisor whom i interested inlinux was installing it on a mchine in the office | 01:34 |
| kjcole | I lucked out: I switched to Linux in '93, and at a Linux conference in NC in '99 I attended the first EduBOF. It didn't go well, but I met a guy there who as it turns out lives very close to me. | 01:36 |
| kjcole | And he's the Education leader for Edubuntu: Jeff Elkner. | 01:36 |
| AstroKing | Nice. I'm just trying to evaluate it to see if it would be workable at our school. We need things like gradebook software, programs that can serve up math and reading tutorials/lessons, and so on. | 01:38 |
| kjcole | Look into SchoolTool which comes with Edubuntu, and Moodle which doesn't yet but is rumored to be in the next release. | 01:39 |
| kjcole | (I'm not an educator -- at least not paid for it -- so I don't know much about either, but they're "all the rage" with the teachers I've talked with.) | 01:40 |
| kjcole | Moodle is in the Universe repository, and so is easy to add on. It's just not on the CD. | 01:41 |
| AstroKing | Thanks a lot...I need to be "armed with information" if and when I make a proposal to switch. | 01:41 |
| kjcole | Although it isn't Ubuntu, Jeff wrote a good article for Red Hat magazine about his experience as a high school teacher using Linux in the classroom. That may provide you with some ammo. It's on-line. | 01:42 |
| kjcole | (I'm looking for the URL, but I made a PDF of it if I can't find the source.) | 01:45 |
| AstroKing | http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/arlington/ | 01:45 |
| AstroKing | that must be it | 01:45 |
| AstroKing | be back in 5 minutes | 01:47 |
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| kjcole | Yep. That's it. | 01:49 |
| AstroKing | back | 01:52 |
| kjcole | on the phone with jeff now. ;-) | 01:54 |
| AstroKing | cool, well tell him a teacher in Texas is installing it now to check it out. | 01:55 |
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| mhz_dinner | re | 01:59 |
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| kjcole | mhz is now known as mhz_fed. | 02:00 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 02:00 |
| mhz | indeed | 02:00 |
| kjcole | And just hung up with Jeff. | 02:00 |
| mhz | kjcole: I have good news for edubuntu | 02:00 |
| kjcole | We're we're planning to attend PyCon 2006 in TX, and push the Edubuntu / Python link. | 02:01 |
| kjcole | mhz, do tell. | 02:01 |
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| mhz | I have just hung up with the principal of a kinder garden school (?) and we are inviting Parents and othere teachers form local community to an event where will demo edubuntu. (about 60 people) | 02:02 |
| kjcole | Very nice! | 02:02 |
| mhz | He liked edubuntu so much that he even volunteered to desing nice non-expensive invitations (he's designer) | 02:02 |
| mhz | In the mid of 2006, he'll start a language school (for kids with language problems) | 02:03 |
| mhz | coincidentally, tomorrow, Henrik and others have the meeting about "SpecialNeeds" (people who use IT but have difficulties with hearing, viewing, etc) | 02:04 |
| AstroKing | here's a question..how good is edubuntu at wireless? there's a chance our school may go wireless soon, so i'm just wondering. | 02:04 |
| mhz | AstroKing: edubuntu is ubuntu | 02:04 |
| mhz | AstroKing: hence, if Ubuntu Wi fi is good, then edubuntu will too | 02:05 |
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| Diosan | ok guys | 02:05 |
| Diosan | i have to go | 02:05 |
| Diosan | but thank you | 02:05 |
| Diosan | again | 02:05 |
| Diosan | and i'll be in touch | 02:06 |
| mhz | AstroKing: i hope you enjoy edubuntu as much as other teacher have in Chile. We do think we urgently need more testers and teachers to help on cross-curricular crossing with edubuntu tools | 02:06 |
| mhz | Diosan: thx, bye | 02:06 |
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| === mhz_family BBsoon | ||
| AstroKing | Yes..sorry, I have been "out" of linux for about a year or so. I've stayed in touch with linux news and have heard of the distros, but haven't actually had the time to test any out (including ubuntu) until now. | 02:07 |
| kjcole | Sorry, out fo a bit. | 02:12 |
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| kjcole | Wireless... Check the card. | 02:12 |
| kjcole | When I was at the UBZ conference, I was working with a laptop that had Edubuntu on it and built-in wireless. Edubuntu wouldn't talk to it but I remembered to bring a PCMCIA card that I knew worked with Red Hat. Edubuntu liked that just fine. | 02:14 |
| AstroKing | Thanks | 02:19 |
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| kjcole | For laptops at the conference, everyone was raving about the HP's. I had a Dell. | 02:20 |
| === ajmitch_ had a dell also | ||
| AstroKing | Yeah - chances are our school district will continue with dell | 02:20 |
| kjcole | I forget what the built-in wireless in that Dell was (and I don't have it now. I borrowed it from work.) But folks at UBZ bitched about it and said we needed to lobby for more open specs from whoever made the built-in. | 02:22 |
| AstroKing | it's installed now, sound works | 02:26 |
| kjcole | I had problems yesterday with audio/video trying to get all formats to work. gxine finally seemed to be the only thing that worked with everything. | 02:28 |
| kjcole | (I installed all the stuff from the RestrictedFormats wiki page, and I'm sure some of that helped.) | 02:29 |
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| AstroKing | I've noticed that gcompris uses Euros for counting money. Any idea of how or if it's possible to switch it to US Dollars? | 02:36 |
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| kjcole | Not a clear idea, but I thought it was part of a series of apps that all used the same language info... | 02:38 |
| kjcole | So, there may be a place outside of gcompris but "in the neighborhood" from which it gets it's settings. | 02:39 |
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| AstroKing | yeah, because for the local setting in gcompris, it has the US flag | 02:47 |
| AstroKing | also can't find that schooltools program in edubuntu | 02:47 |
| kjcole | SchoolTool (singular, and capitalized). It should start up when you boot Edubuntu. | 02:48 |
| AstroKing | Ok, let me look | 02:48 |
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| AstroKing | I'm just saying, I can't find it in the menu system. I am assuming it is a program that you can run, like tux math? | 02:50 |
| kjcole | No, both it, and moodle are web-based school/course admin tools. So, they start up as deamons and you connect to them via the web. | 02:51 |
| AstroKing | ok, I just saw that in the screenshot on the SchoolTool site now. | 02:52 |
| kjcole | I guess the assumption is that you'll have many people entering content, and thus want it accessable to all at any time. | 02:53 |
| AstroKing | Theoretically, you would want SchoolTool hosted on one central server, right? Because if people are just entering it on their own localhost, nobody else can see it (like for calendars). | 02:54 |
| kjcole | Right. That's the idea. (But I run a lot of "mini servers" | 02:55 |
| mhz_family | re | 02:56 |
| kjcole | Nothing particularly special about them, if I don't expect them to be under heavy load.) | 02:56 |
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| kjcole | mhz glad you're back: I've got to run in a minute but wanted to know when the Accessibilty/Special Needs meeting is/ | 02:57 |
| mhz | kjcole: tomorrow.. let me get the schedule | 02:57 |
| mhz | IIRC it will take place after edubuntu meeting which is 12 UTC | 02:58 |
| mhz | kjcole: I think one hour will be too short for a first brainstorming meeting, | 02:58 |
| mhz | which could easily overflow. I've now set the time to 14.30, which | 02:58 |
| mhz | should give the Edubuntu team enough time to wrap up and even take a | 02:58 |
| mhz | short break before joining us ;) | 02:58 |
| mhz | As I mentioned, I've written up some ideas here: | 02:58 |
| mhz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityTeamGoals and I beleive Daniel | 02:58 |
| mhz | intends to add his thoughts today as well. Feel free to chip in. I've | 02:58 |
| mhz | started this page: AccessibilityTeamGoals/Talk for those who might just | 02:58 |
| mhz | want to comment on the existing points. | 02:58 |
| mhz | See you all Wednesday :) | 02:58 |
| AstroKing | Thanks KJ..will be playing around with edubuntu for a few days and learn it. I need to run myself here, later man. | 02:59 |
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| mhz | kjcole: sorry that paste was long but as you are leaving I thought that was faster | 02:59 |
| mhz | :) | 02:59 |
| mhz | kjcole: about laptops/ I found once, that a potential good biz alternative to MIt's is getting pieces from China or India. If all goes well, I guess they could be sold at U$270 | 03:01 |
| mhz | U$270 = 1 GHz, 256 MB ram, 10 inches, 20 - 30 GB | 03:02 |
| mhz | kjcole: I have a Fujitsu LifeBook B 2175 | 03:04 |
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| mhz | Burgundavia: hi there | 03:08 |
| mhz | I will meet with Pablo (the SVG man tomorrow) | 03:09 |
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| Burgundavia | hey mhz | 03:12 |
| mhz | arkan0x: hi | 03:12 |
| arkan0x | mhz: hi ! | 03:12 |
| mhz | Burgundavia: Pablo will include the very originals | 03:12 |
| Burgundavia | excellent | 03:13 |
| mhz | he said he did it because not everybody has same fonts, so he 'traced' the texts | 03:13 |
| mhz | to avoid font confilcts | 03:13 |
| mhz | arkan0x: me aceptaron como miembro del Conclio de la Comunidad ubuntu !!!! | 03:14 |
| mhz | concilio | 03:14 |
| arkan0x | rlz ! | 03:15 |
| mhz | heheh | 03:15 |
| mhz | gracias | 03:15 |
| arkan0x | congratulations mhz ! | 03:15 |
| arkan0x | que bien ! | 03:15 |
| mhz | arkan0x: manana intetnare ir a la reunion del CDSL para el Install Fest | 03:17 |
| mhz | no es seguro | 03:17 |
| mhz | pero intentare | 03:17 |
| arkan0x | mhz: okis , por ultimo en la reunion me conecto a irc y ahi vas tirando ideas | 03:17 |
| mhz | arkan0x: will you go there | 03:17 |
| arkan0x | se | 03:17 |
| mhz | ah!!! rulz! | 03:17 |
| arkan0x | mhz: ! | 03:18 |
| mhz | arkan0x: habra espacio (aunque sea poco) para una mini charla de Ubuntu y Edubuntu? | 03:18 |
| arkan0x | mhz: usas algo Voip ? | 03:18 |
| kjcole | Been in and out for the last several minutes, but am really leaving now. ;-) See you tomorrow... twice I think. ;-) | 03:18 |
| mhz | kjcole: i guess you have backlogs :) | 03:19 |
| arkan0x | mhz: osea por mi bakan , pero hay ke verlo ,pq la gente de argentina tiene "preferencia" y el asunto dura asta las 4 nu mas | 03:19 |
| mhz | or everything gets logged and pasted in url? | 03:19 |
| mhz | arkan0x: will the argentinan guys be in that meeting, too? | 03:19 |
| kjcole | Konversation logs it all, and I think fabbio does too. | 03:19 |
| mhz | kjcole: okis, bye | 03:20 |
| mhz | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2005-November/000323.html | 03:21 |
| mhz | arkan0x: en esa URL, MagicFab esta disenando un materila sobre edubuntu en espanol | 03:21 |
| mhz | material | 03:22 |
| mhz | arkan0x: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/60378589/in/photostream/ | 03:23 |
| arkan0x | mhz: rlz | 03:23 |
| mhz | te parece si usamos algo asi para el InstallFest? | 03:24 |
| mhz | I take care of it! | 03:24 |
| arkan0x | mhz: yo imprimo ! | 03:25 |
| mhz | educool! | 03:25 |
| mhz | arkan0x: I like this laptop http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/57561357/ | 03:29 |
| mhz | but i prefer the Libretto :) | 03:29 |
| arkan0x | jejee | 03:30 |
| arkan0x | mhz: ke laptop es el de la foto ? | 03:30 |
| mhz | ni idea hehehe | 03:31 |
| mhz | pero rlz! | 03:31 |
| arkan0x | mhz: es un dell | 03:31 |
| mhz | tan chico? | 03:32 |
| mhz | http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile | 03:32 |
| mhz | como se ve? | 03:32 |
| mhz | arkan0x: aahhh, olvide contarte: Contacte a la gente de ConferencePack. Me aceptaron, pero no me han confirmado cuando llegaria a Chile. Creo que manana sabre, pero dudo que sea para esta semana :( | 03:33 |
| mhz | arkan0x: and also, I requested 200 x86 + 15 64bits + 15 PPC | 03:33 |
| mhz | para ser repartidos "al merito" en Edubuntu Chilean Tour y en Ubuntu Fest (Install Fest + HowTo Fest) | 03:35 |
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| arkan0x | mhz: y donde se piensa hacer ubuntufest-cl ? | 03:35 |
| mhz | arkan0x: Tecnocimiento lo organizara puh | 03:36 |
| mhz | :) | 03:36 |
| mhz | y ojala con tu ayuda | 03:36 |
| arkan0x | sipo | 03:36 |
| mhz | y la del CDLS | 03:36 |
| mhz | cdsl | 03:36 |
| arkan0x | mhz: pero en ke parte fisica ? | 03:36 |
| mhz | ahhhh | 03:36 |
| mhz | aun no se | 03:36 |
| mhz | si se, que la idea es que el CDSL se note mas participativo a ver si en una de esas se animan a organizarse mejor | 03:37 |
| mhz | De hecho, CDSL deberia ser un Centro de Difusion Nacional | 03:38 |
| mhz | donde otras regiones participen localmente | 03:38 |
| arkan0x | sep , esa era la idea inicial | 03:38 |
| mhz | pero bueno, primero debe suceder en santiago. Si en casa no funca... menos afuera | 03:38 |
| mhz | well, we'll see. | 03:40 |
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| arkan0x | mhz: !!!! | 04:13 |
| arkan0x | mhz: ping xD! | 04:13 |
| mhz | yup | 04:13 |
| mhz | arkan0x: vas manana al MAC? | 04:13 |
| arkan0x | mhz: por extranna razon , en edubuntu/con kde , me funka la vga del laptop , no la del dock | 04:13 |
| arkan0x | mhz: ! sep | 04:13 |
| arkan0x | apenas salgo de clases me voy paya | 04:14 |
| mhz | ??? | 04:14 |
| arkan0x | salgo alas 4 | 04:14 |
| arkan0x | mhz: osea el laptop funka al 100% | 04:14 |
| mhz | y antes no? | 04:14 |
| arkan0x | no al 98% como te dije antes | 04:14 |
| mhz | ahhh | 04:14 |
| arkan0x | te acuerdas ke probamos la salida vga del laptop y no funko | 04:14 |
| mhz | o sera problema de config entonces? | 04:14 |
| arkan0x | mmm puede ser | 04:15 |
| mhz | sip | 04:15 |
| === mhz es mas feliz entonces | ||
| arkan0x | como ubuntu tiene buenas config | 04:15 |
| arkan0x | demas | 04:15 |
| mhz | te lo CAMBIO!!! | 04:15 |
| === arkan0x es mas feliz aun xD! | ||
| arkan0x | mhz: ejjejeje | 04:15 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:15 |
| mhz | nika! | 04:15 |
| mhz | o sika? | 04:15 |
| arkan0x | nIKA! | 04:15 |
| mhz | hehehe | 04:15 |
| arkan0x | jejeje | 04:15 |
| mhz | @#$%^&**%^#@ | 04:15 |
| mhz | lol | 04:16 |
| mhz | ta bien h | 04:16 |
| mhz | ta bien oh | 04:16 |
| arkan0x | pero si lo tuviera que vender , te aviso a ti primero | 04:16 |
| mhz | nha! y a cuanto? | 04:16 |
| arkan0x | asike no te preocupes | 04:16 |
| arkan0x | mhz: no sep :P | 04:16 |
| mhz | hehe | 04:16 |
| mhz | ya, demosle | 04:16 |
| mhz | arkan0x: i suggest you move that to #kubuntu | 04:17 |
| mhz | and #ubuntu | 04:17 |
| mhz | and #gnome | 04:17 |
| mhz | and #ubuntu-laptop | 04:17 |
| mhz | es muy extrano | 04:17 |
| arkan0x | mhz: , si ya aplike el ubuntu-database | 04:17 |
| arkan0x | pero , aver , deja ir pa gnome , por si las moskas | 04:17 |
| arkan0x | eske toy en kde pq , me funka suspender | 04:18 |
| mhz | ahhh, si. a mi tambien | 04:20 |
| mhz | pero no en Wmaker :( | 04:20 |
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| arkan0x | mhz, ! | 04:33 |
| arkan0x | mhz, pa suspender en wmaker | 04:33 |
| mhz | si? | 04:34 |
| arkan0x | klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend | 04:34 |
| arkan0x | recien probe xd | 04:34 |
| === arkan0x esta feliz pq suspende en el wm ke kiera xD | ||
| arkan0x | mhz, y ?? | 04:35 |
| mhz | cooool | 04:35 |
| arkan0x | te suspendio ? | 04:36 |
| mhz | lo pruebo al tiro | 04:36 |
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| mhz | oops | 04:56 |
| mhz | ISP failure | 04:56 |
| mhz | (i guess) | 04:56 |
| mhz | visit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay | 05:20 |
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| arkan0x | mhz, y >? | 05:28 |
| arkan0x | work suspend >? | 05:28 |
| mhz | arkan0x: sip | 05:28 |
| mhz | pero eth0 guateo! | 05:28 |
| mhz | y no hubo caso que funcara | 05:28 |
| arkan0x | no la vuelve a levantar ? | 05:28 |
| mhz | y para no perder mas tiempo, simplemente le agreque el docking | 05:29 |
| mhz | nope, no lo hizo, ni manulamente | 05:29 |
| mhz | asi que manan lo veo de nuevo | 05:29 |
| arkan0x | y si le sakai el mapping hotplug del interfaces ? | 05:29 |
| arkan0x | yo lo tengo comentao eso | 05:29 |
| mhz | por ahora estoy terminando un laaaaargo dia sentado (desde las 09:15 AM hasta ahora) | 05:29 |
| arkan0x | aaa okis | 05:30 |
| mhz | arkan0x: buena idea | 05:30 |
| arkan0x | yapos, suerte igual con la suspendia xD | 05:30 |
| mhz | arkan0x: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay | 05:30 |
| arkan0x | byez | 05:30 |
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| mhz | and be back for meeting | 05:32 |
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| crimsun | I'll just stay awake for the meeting :-) | 06:44 |
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| tekNico | Hi everybody, I'm having difficulties setting up a thin client network with Edubuntu. | 11:13 |
| tekNico | After the short Edubuntu howtos, I've been following the LTSP 4.1 docs at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html . | 11:15 |
| tekNico | I'm able to connect to the server launching an X session with "X -query SERVER_IP". | 11:16 |
| tekNico | From within a Kubuntu installation on a laptop. | 11:18 |
| tekNico | However, I have problems when booting from network, on both the laptop and another desktop. | 11:19 |
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| tekNico | On the laptop I get a "-vttty: unknown option" error at X server startup. | 11:21 |
| tekNico | On the desktop, the remote loading of the vmlinuz and intrd.img files progresses very slowly, and eventually times out. | 11:21 |
| tekNico | The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto doc says: "the Xserver settings are autodetected". Maybe there's a problem with that, on the laptop? | 11:23 |
| tekNico | Regarding the desktop, I get different behavior with two different NICs, so maybe there's some kind of hardware or Etherboot problem. | 11:24 |
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| ogra | tekNico, if you used ltspadmin together with the breezy ltsp, your system is broken now ... | 11:25 |
| tekNico | Oh, nice. :-/ | 11:25 |
| ogra | the two implementations (ltsp 4.1 and breezy ltsp) are incompatible | 11:25 |
| tekNico | ltspadmin actually installed about 130MB of packages, that looked strange. | 11:26 |
| ogra | breezy ltsp does everything automatically, ltsp 4.1 needs decent setup | 11:26 |
| ogra | yes, it installs the chroot environment from tarballs from the net, instead of usins already available distribution packages like breezy ltsp does | 11:27 |
| tekNico | I see. Shall I uninstall ltsp, erase /opt/ltsp contents, and reinstall ltsp? | 11:27 |
| ogra | you can try it, but i didnt see someone getting it working yet ... | 11:27 |
| tekNico | Do I really have to reinstall Edubuntu on the server from scratch? :-s | 11:28 |
| ogra | you can also go on with 4.1 but nobody in here can be a big help for that ... | 11:28 |
| ogra | i'd suggest #ltsp for 4.1 questions .... | 11:29 |
| tekNico | I'm already trying there, but mention of Edubuntu seems to only elicit evasive, or no, answers. ;-) | 11:29 |
| ogra | i'm in there too ... edubuntu implies for them that its my domain :) | 11:30 |
| ogra | you should mention that you use 4.1.3 ;) | 11:30 |
| tekNico | Moreover, I like Ubunt, and simplicity, so I'd certainly like to follow the smoother road. :-) | 11:30 |
| tekNico | UbuntU, even | 11:31 |
| tekNico | I did mention following the LTSP 4.1 docs... | 11:31 |
| ogra | note that etherboot isnt tested widely ... | 11:31 |
| ogra | (with the breezy implementation) | 11:31 |
| ogra | yes, you did | 11:31 |
| tekNico | So, how do the clients boot? | 11:32 |
| ogra | but the 4.1 docs are not appropriate :) | 11:32 |
| ogra | PXE | 11:32 |
| tekNico | What about older NICs without boot ROM, or even no network boot option in the BIOS? | 11:32 |
| ogra | which doesnt help if you have etherboot indeed, except if you boot from CD or floppy | 11:32 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe | 11:33 |
| ogra | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams | 11:33 |
| ogra | these two might be helpful ... | 11:33 |
| tekNico | I'm booting from floppies with stuff downloaded from rom-o-matic.net . Is there another way? | 11:34 |
| ogra | and indeed the most important doc: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | 11:34 |
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| tekNico | Oh, the good old tomsrtbt. :-) | 11:34 |
| ogra | the floppy method is fine, you just need to make sure that pxe emulation is enabled in the rom | 11:34 |
| tekNico | The ROM downloaded from rom-o-matic.net? | 11:35 |
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| ogra | yup | 11:36 |
| ogra | there is aconfiguration option for PXE emulation on the site... | 11:37 |
| tekNico | Mmh, can't find it there... | 11:38 |
| ogra | http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/ | 11:39 |
| tekNico | In the release notes for Etherboot 5.4.1 there's this link, is that it? http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php | 11:39 |
| ogra | click the "configure" button on that page | 11:40 |
| tekNico | Do I need to choose PXE at point 2. ? | 11:41 |
| crimsun | ogra: is there an agenda for this morning's meeting? | 11:42 |
| crimsun | (sorry to interrupt) | 11:42 |
| ogra | crimsun, hmm, ask JaneW | 11:43 |
| ogra | dunno if one is up anywhere, she surely has one | 11:43 |
| tekNico | Wow, lots of options there. | 11:43 |
| tekNico | Is there any way to have a generic PXE boot, and autodetect the NIC driver, instead of having to create a different one for each NIC? | 11:44 |
| ogra | from the wikipage i gave you: Make sure PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL is ticked, and it is a good idea to also tick POWERSAVE, ALLMULTI, MULTICAST_LEVEL1, MULTICAST_LEVEL2, and DOWNLOAD_PROTO_TFTM | 11:44 |
| tekNico | Great, thanks. | 11:45 |
| tekNico | Enough new stuff to study and try, I'll be back to report success, or else ask for help again. In the meantime, thanks again. :-) | 11:47 |
| ogra | youre welcome :) | 11:48 |
| juliux | morning | 11:48 |
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| ogra | morning | 11:49 |
| juliux | in one houre is a edubunut meeting right? | 11:51 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu Update meeting in +- 1 Hour on #ubuntu-meeting | 11:59 |
| JaneW | juliux: yes ^ | 11:59 |
| crimsun | JaneW: is there a public agenda? | 11:59 |
| spacey | :) | 12:00 |
| crimsun | right now I'm just perusing the specs from UBZ | 12:00 |
| spacey | i'll be there | 12:00 |
| === juliux too | ||
| JaneW | ogra: you said mdz still had to approve many of your specs, but it doesn;t look like they have progressed out of drafting... | 12:05 |
| JaneW | ogra: have they been submitted for approval yet? | 12:05 |
| ogra | nope | 12:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: see https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specstable | 12:06 |
| ogra | i will have it done before tomorrow | 12:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: cos I can;t really nag him before they are submitted | 12:06 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok | 12:06 |
| ogra | he said he wanted to talk to me... he didnt yet | 12:06 |
| JaneW | oic | 12:06 |
| JaneW | damn, I'll have to dbl check if he wanted ME to set the meetings up, I am sure he said he'd 'catch' the ppl on the fly.. | 12:07 |
| ogra | dont worry ... | 12:07 |
| JaneW | I can find most of my notes from last week's edubuntu meeting, I wanted to finsh them this am... | 12:07 |
| JaneW | crimsun: no there's no formal agenda - or rather the agenda is the same each week i.e... | 12:08 |
| ogra | did you get my /msg btw ? | 12:08 |
| JaneW | Each week we discuss: Progress in last week, Issues/Blocks, Planned Activities for next week. | 12:09 |
| JaneW | in the Categories: | 12:09 |
| JaneW | Technical | 12:09 |
| JaneW | , Documentation | 12:09 |
| JaneW | , Art Work | 12:09 |
| JaneW | , Management etc | 12:09 |
| crimsun | JaneW: ok, thanks. I wasn't sure whether specific issues were up. | 12:09 |
| crimsun | ogra: (addressed to me?) | 12:09 |
| ogra | crimsun, nope, to JaneW | 12:10 |
| JaneW | I want to try to get results tabulated, see the tables I have proposed for this on: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords | 12:10 |
| crimsun | ogra: ok | 12:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes thanks, me goes to read properly | 12:10 |
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| ogra | JaneW, i'm not really sure if we want another lightweight desktop, xubuntu is enough imho | 12:10 |
| mhz | hi | 12:11 |
| === JaneW is looking for the spec... | ||
| JaneW | ita | 12:11 |
| JaneW | who is doing Xubuntu? | 12:11 |
| ogra | JaneW, crimsun :) | 12:11 |
| JaneW | LOL really? | 12:12 |
| JaneW | cool | 12:12 |
| ogra | its waiting for main inclusion already | 12:12 |
| JaneW | ok, I'll let the other guy know... | 12:12 |
| ogra | the icewm changes we'd need for lightweight desktop would be very intrusive and would affect normal icewm installations, xubuntu could be used right away without breaking stuff ;) | 12:13 |
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| crimsun | well, Jani has been doing most of the work lately; I've been doing merge work | 12:14 |
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| ogra | but you are still 50% of the xubuntu team, arent you ? | 12:15 |
| mhz | ogra: even wmaker? | 12:15 |
| crimsun | 1/3, maybe 1/4 (that reminds me that I need to check the approval...) | 12:15 |
| ogra | mhz, wmaker wasnt discussed for lightweight desktop | 12:15 |
| mhz | oooohh | 12:15 |
| ogra | the choices were icewm and xfce | 12:15 |
| mhz | can I support it for edubuntu? | 12:16 |
| mhz | yes , i know i can | 12:16 |
| ogra | heh | 12:16 |
| mhz | but my question is | 12:16 |
| mhz | if I support it, i can customize it to make it look good for edubuntu light needs | 12:17 |
| mhz | but will i have too many issues with packages or stuff? | 12:17 |
| ogra | mhz, without changing it for current users ? | 12:17 |
| mhz | (so far I use wmaker very well, but I also know, GNOME and KDE are already installed ) | 12:18 |
| mhz | ogra: what you mean? | 12:18 |
| ogra | mhz, if you make changes to it, they may not change anything for existing users | 12:19 |
| ogra | s/existing users/existing installs/ | 12:19 |
| JaneW | -> lunch | 12:19 |
| ogra | thats *very* difficult to do ... | 12:20 |
| mhz | you mean 'already logged in users'? | 12:20 |
| mhz | or users in /etc/passwd? | 12:21 |
| ogra | i mean users that ue wmaker | 12:21 |
| ogra | *use | 12:21 |
| mhz | oh, but all changes are send to /usr/share/... | 12:21 |
| ogra | if you change things in the configuration, you must be sure not to break anything for them | 12:21 |
| mhz | oh, you mean USERS already using WMAKER in the wrold? | 12:22 |
| ogra | yes | 12:22 |
| mhz | duh! | 12:22 |
| === mhz is still little sleepy | ||
| ogra | not in the world, but in ubuntu :) | 12:22 |
| mhz | hehehe | 12:22 |
| mhz | my world has been ubuntu stuff (reading and installing, and talking) for the last few months | 12:23 |
| mhz | hmmm | 12:23 |
| mhz | I could start "theming" wmaker for edubuntu | 12:23 |
| ogra | sure | 12:24 |
| mhz | then, once Victor (IT and web developer tecnocimiento gang) | 12:24 |
| mhz | motivates e can help me with more hard stuff, he's been using wmaker since always | 12:24 |
| mhz | and only wmaker | 12:24 |
| mhz | and maybe it may even be the excuse I need for him to start helping you :) | 12:25 |
| mhz | ogra: Today I have a meeting with Pablo (the designer who actually does the SVG stuff I am stupid at) | 12:26 |
| mhz | Tomrrow I can tell you if he'll help on edubuntu artwork | 12:26 |
| ogra | great :) | 12:26 |
| === mhz doesn't want to be too optimistic yet :) | ||
| mhz | but Pablo was indeed happy for me being an ubuntu member | 12:27 |
| mhz | :D | 12:27 |
| === mhz was happier | ||
| ogra | heh | 12:27 |
| mhz | ogra: btw, when is the list of memebers updated? | 12:28 |
| mhz | ogra: and when do i know if we're gonna have the edubuntu-cl ML? | 12:28 |
| ogra | mhz, ask jdub for it :) | 12:29 |
| mhz | for both things? | 12:29 |
| ogra | he's currently waiting for his new adsl line, so he'll be hard to catch for some days | 12:29 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 12:29 |
| ogra | which memberlist do you mean ? | 12:29 |
| === mhz has only used Cable internet at home | ||
| mhz | the Ubuntu Memebers inlaunchpad (i found none in wiki) | 12:30 |
| ogra | did you subscribe to it ? it should get updated immediately after the meeting | 12:30 |
| ogra | updated == applying members get moved to approved members | 12:31 |
| mhz | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/ | 12:31 |
| mhz | let me recheck the wiki | 12:32 |
| mhz | ogra: BTW, what do you think of UbuntuRequestDay? | 12:32 |
| ogra | whats that ? | 12:32 |
| juliux | mhz, the list at always refereshed | 12:32 |
| mhz | juliux: really? | 12:33 |
| mhz | what url are you looking at? | 12:33 |
| juliux | mhz, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/ | 12:33 |
| juliux | mhz, my name is allready on this list | 12:34 |
| mhz | juliux: my name isn't | 12:34 |
| juliux | mhz, do you have joined the group? | 12:35 |
| mhz | i tried yesterday night (well today at 01:00 AM) | 12:35 |
| ogra | mhz, you are not moved because makos vote is still missing ... :/ | 12:35 |
| mhz | You are a proposed member of this team. To become an active member your subscription has to bo approved by one of the team's administrators. You can't join this team. | 12:35 |
| mhz | ogra: ahhhhhhhhhhh | 12:36 |
| ogra | try to poke him to give his vote, i know he was ok with you, but didnt say it explicitly | 12:36 |
| mhz | ogra: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay | 12:37 |
| mhz | juliux: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay | 12:37 |
| mhz | obviously, the idea is to go there not dressed up with ubuntu stuff, just like any regular customer | 12:38 |
| mhz | and hopefully, during the day, they get 10 or more requests from diff people | 12:38 |
| juliux | mhz, good idea | 12:39 |
| mhz | ogra: ok, thx, i'll poke hime | 12:39 |
| mhz | juliux: thx | 12:39 |
| juliux | mhz, but i think that you have to do this with 100ths of people in every city | 12:39 |
| mhz | juliux: i think that once thing is to be concious about an situation. Another is to do something on real life (community bubble is not 100% effective) | 12:40 |
| mhz | juliux: sure. LoCo teams will have much to do here | 12:40 |
| juliux | very much | 12:41 |
| mhz | juliux: and maybe we should do it wider. LinuxRequestDay | 12:41 |
| mhz | so we have LUG's participation too | 12:41 |
| mhz | my thoughts are that we should have one worldwide activity every month | 12:42 |
| mhz | juliux: ogra: First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. | 12:44 |
| JaneW | **Reminder** Edubuntu Update meeting in +- 1 min on #ubuntu-meeting | 12:59 |
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| jelkner | good morning everyone | 01:06 |
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| jelkner | JaneW: hi jane! | 01:07 |
| ogra | jelkner, #ubuntu-meeting ;) | 01:07 |
| jelkner | ogra: oops, thanks! | 01:08 |
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| mhz | re | 02:07 |
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| kjcole | And we're back. ;-) | 02:09 |
| ogra | heh | 02:09 |
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| jelkner | kjcole: where and when? | 02:10 |
| kjcole | jelkner, TBD ... I'd vote for Gallaudet: On the metro, lots of computers, no people around... But no beer. Library is also a possibility | 02:11 |
| kjcole | (no beer there either). | 02:11 |
| jelkner | kjcole: i figured the two best possibilities are either gaulludette or mtrainierlibrary | 02:11 |
| jelkner | let's make it gallaudet then | 02:11 |
| kjcole | As to when: Shortly after lunch, then grab dinner afterwords. | 02:11 |
| jelkner | what time? | 02:11 |
| jelkner | great | 02:12 |
| jelkner | 1 pm ? | 02:12 |
| kjcole | Say 1? | 02:12 |
| jelkner | lol | 02:12 |
| kjcole | Done. | 02:12 |
| jelkner | i'll have my cell, where can you be reached when i get there? | 02:12 |
| kjcole | 651-5135 | 02:12 |
| jelkner | what is that? | 02:12 |
| kjcole | I'll arrive a bit early and be by the phone. | 02:12 |
| jelkner | oh, your office? | 02:13 |
| ogra | jelkner, what became of colin applegate ? did he drop ltsp work completely ? | 02:13 |
| jelkner | ogra: he popped up briefly recently, but he is *very* busy at college | 02:14 |
| kjcole | Yeah. I've got my desktop and a laptop with edubuntu, and another machine with RHEL3. Plus a two macs and a bunch of winblows machines. | 02:14 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping he'll make time again next summer | 02:14 |
| ogra | ah | 02:14 |
| ogra | i just saw him diappear silently ... send greetings if you see him | 02:14 |
| jelkner | will do | 02:14 |
| kjcole | ogra, you asked about accessibility meeting. It was me who mentioned it. Theoretically starting in 45 minutes, sayeth the fridge. | 02:15 |
| kjcole | jelkner, don't you have to go to school today? (Or are you closed already for thanksgiving?) | 02:15 |
| ogra | kjcole, yup, i'll be there | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | mmm | 02:16 |
| ogra | mmm ? | 02:16 |
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| kjcole | mmm. Now that we're all humming in the same key... ;-) | 02:16 |
| kjcole | mhz, I might try to get involved with that StudyPackage stuff too... a little. | 02:17 |
| mhz | cool | 02:17 |
| mhz | all help is good | 02:17 |
| mhz | kjcole: so you are moin fan? | 02:17 |
| jelkner | mhz: where can i find out more about EdubuntuStudyPackages ? | 02:18 |
| jelkner | i want to make one for computer science | 02:18 |
| mhz | http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyPackages | 02:18 |
| ogra | jelkner, wiki ;) | 02:18 |
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| mhz | jelkner: however please understand that we are at zero age, yet. | 02:19 |
| jelkner | ogra: believe it or not, ogra, a search on the wiki came up blank | 02:19 |
| jelkner | i understand | 02:19 |
| kjcole | mhz, yeah. I had a moin up on my Fedora system, but since I JUST switched that to Edubuntu, I haven't set up the moin again... yet. | 02:19 |
| mhz | kjcole: i hope you dont use APT for moin ;) | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | kjcole: your campus is geared towards disabled people? | 02:20 |
| jelkner | great idea | 02:20 |
| kjcole | mhz, Uh-oh. That sounds ominous. | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | or its just a specialization? | 02:20 |
| mhz | kjcole: you can use moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SandBok to try the WYSIWYG editor | 02:20 |
| jelkner | ogra: you gotta a minute? | 02:21 |
| kjcole | jsgotangco: "Gallaudet is the world's *ONLY* (said with as much snobbiness as possible) accredited liberal arts university for the deaf, in the world!" | 02:21 |
| mhz | kjcole: I believe that people with special needs should become a strong international effort from IT guys. I have no experience on that area but sure I wanna help | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | kjcole: i'm actually looking for a school like that | 02:21 |
| kjcole | jsgotangco: Why, we're the Harvard of the Deaf, don't you know? ;-) | 02:22 |
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| mhz | what's ally? | 02:22 |
| ogra | jelkner, if its only a minute, yes | 02:22 |
| ogra | mhz, accessibility | 02:22 |
| ogra | its an 11 not ll | 02:22 |
| kjcole | mhz, accessiblity, as spelled by the spelling-impaired. ;-) | 02:23 |
| jelkner | ogra: i want to start working on a spec for teaching cs | 02:23 |
| mhz | ogra: * jdub :No such nick/channel | 02:23 |
| mhz | * mako :No such nick/channel | 02:23 |
| jelkner | i just want a name for it | 02:23 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking of a meta package | 02:23 |
| mhz | ogra: kjcole: see? I am totally ignorant | 02:23 |
| ogra | will it be specific for one language ? | 02:23 |
| jelkner | that will include programming languages, tools and materials | 02:23 |
| jelkner | perhaps there should be a seperate one for each language, yes? | 02:24 |
| jelkner | so i'm looking at python | 02:24 |
| mhz | jelkner: have you seen MIT's free docs? | 02:24 |
| jelkner | not lately | 02:24 |
| jelkner | i know this is a dapper+1 issue, but i want to begin thinking about it now | 02:24 |
| jelkner | so all i need is a name | 02:25 |
| jelkner | give me a name and i'll go away happy ;-) | 02:25 |
| mhz | jelkner: strusberg, from venezuela has something already working, not much, but something. Especally for Python teaching | 02:25 |
| ogra | its no dapper+1 issue .... you can do it now and get it into universe before feature freeze | 02:25 |
| jelkner | ogra: from our discussions in montreal, i think you said it really is a dapper+1 issue | 02:25 |
| jelkner | since the main obsticle is choosing an ide | 02:26 |
| jelkner | not an easy task at present | 02:26 |
| mhz | jelkner: actually he even invited me for 3rd Forum on Freedom of Access but I couldnt afford to get there | 02:26 |
| ogra | jelkner, but getting something into main is easier if the package was in universe before | 02:26 |
| kjcole | jelkner, Isn't there a song "I got a name"? | 02:26 |
| jelkner | i hope to discuss this with folks at pycon this year | 02:26 |
| jelkner | you said eclipse was looking like the front runner | 02:26 |
| ogra | so you could start with a small set of docs and have a package available already now and add content over time | 02:26 |
| mhz | jelkner: strusberg is going to PyCon | 02:27 |
| jelkner | good point | 02:27 |
| kjcole | jelkner, oh right. Didn't register last night. gotta do that... | 02:27 |
| jelkner | kjcole: registration isn't available yet | 02:27 |
| kjcole | jelkner, that makes it easier. ;-) | 02:27 |
| jelkner | ok, ogra, i'm convinced i can start now | 02:27 |
| ogra | jelkner, and note that we already have diveintopython in the default install | 02:27 |
| jelkner | so what should we call it | 02:27 |
| ogra | look whats already covered there | 02:28 |
| jelkner | python-edu? | 02:28 |
| ogra | py-teaching-docs ? | 02:28 |
| ogra | python-edu-class ? | 02:28 |
| kjcole | Are you limiting it to docs? | 02:28 |
| jelkner | no | 02:28 |
| jelkner | it should install: | 02:28 |
| jelkner | an ide | 02:28 |
| jelkner | pythoncard | 02:28 |
| jelkner | pygame | 02:28 |
| jelkner | and docs | 02:28 |
| kjcole | py-edu-lab. | 02:28 |
| jelkner | yes | 02:28 |
| ogra | sounds good | 02:29 |
| jelkner | only to be consistent: python-edu-lab | 02:29 |
| mhz | jelkner: but how do you picture the contents will be used by users? which interface? | 02:29 |
| jelkner | web browser | 02:29 |
| jelkner | that is easiest by far | 02:29 |
| kjcole | (or, for more humor, python-edu-kitchen, feeding into all that "py sounds like pie" stuff.) | 02:29 |
| jelkner | and most accessible | 02:30 |
| jelkner | so, ogra, what sayeth thou? | 02:30 |
| jelkner | is it python-edu-lab? | 02:30 |
| jelkner | or do you want to sleep on it? | 02:30 |
| kjcole | Lots of noise happening with python embedded into html lately too, (see myghty (sp?)) | 02:30 |
| jelkner | i'm going to create a wiki page, so i need a name | 02:31 |
| kjcole | PyEduLab. Stick with it. Short, sweet, and last but not least *I* thought of it so it must be great. | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | should it always start with Py? | 02:32 |
| mhz | jelkner: #13. Cuaima [WWW] MetaInstaller. New tool for managing System Installations. | 02:33 |
| kjcole | (Or PythonEduLab, too) | 02:33 |
| mhz | jelkner: http://cuaima.latinux.org/ | 02:33 |
| mhz | Cuaima is a [WWW] MetaInstaller for GNU/Linux and *BSD Operating Systems that runs on top of a (Python) WebServer to provide local, remote and massive installations of these *NIX flavoured Systems. | 02:33 |
| kjcole | jsgotangco, depends. Is one general system going to cover all variants, or are there lots of little ones for each computer language? | 02:33 |
| mhz | kjcole: I love PythonEduLab | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | kjcole: it just sounds so KDE'sh | 02:34 |
| jelkner | mhz: me too, ogra: does that meet your approval? | 02:34 |
| ogra | yup | 02:34 |
| jelkner | cool | 02:34 |
| mhz | educool! | 02:34 |
| jelkner | then it is settled | 02:34 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to take my kids to the movies | 02:35 |
| jelkner | see you all later... | 02:35 |
| mhz | jelkner: will PythonEduLab be provided by Moodle? | 02:35 |
| jelkner | mhz: no PythonEduLab will be a meta package on Edubuntu | 02:35 |
| mhz | if moodle, then we should cnsider exeLearning project | 02:35 |
| jelkner | mhz: here is the problem - Python is *almost* ready to be the best teaching tool out there | 02:36 |
| mhz | jelkner: ok, but then are you thinking of tests taken via same interface? | 02:36 |
| jelkner | but it isn't totally ready yet | 02:36 |
| mhz | jelkner: NO problem! | 02:36 |
| kjcole | jsgotangco, haven't seen enough KDE to pay attention. (Jeff seemed to be in a hurry for a name, and I just tossed thoughts out that were in the same general direction as the current discussion.) | 02:36 |
| mhz | jelkner: please do wiki a page on your ideas about PythonEduLab, how you picture it, your expectations, etc | 02:37 |
| jelkner | kjcole: i needed a name so i know what to call the page | 02:37 |
| jelkner | mhz: that's what i plan to do | 02:37 |
| mhz | educool | 02:37 |
| jelkner | ok, folks, cya later... | 02:38 |
| mhz | jelkner: so we'll have one effort with two interfaces | 02:38 |
| JaneW | ok I went made with colours on the meeting notes tables, I think it's a bit too much actually, tell me if it's better without them... | 02:38 |
| kjcole | jelkner, right. Understood. I was just saying that the discussion seemed hurried, and PythonEduLab seemed as good as anything else being discussed. | 02:38 |
| JaneW | I must dahs now will bbiab | 02:38 |
| kjcole | jelkner, have fun at the movies. | 02:38 |
| mhz | jelkner: EdubuntuStudyPackages are .deb's people can install and are meant to be used but default applicartions in Edubuntu | 02:39 |
| mhz | and PythonEduLab is a whole env. | 02:39 |
| mhz | no moodle needed!!! | 02:39 |
| mhz | cool | 02:39 |
| kjcole | (Personally, I want to see the return of the original Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, used as a teaching tool...) | 02:39 |
| mhz | kjcole: and if PythonEduLab succeeds... you'll make me happier because I am starting WikiLearn project in chile | 02:40 |
| mhz | kjcole: Moin Wiki for contents + a web interface for Tests and self evaluation | 02:41 |
| kjcole | mhz, And that's my new goal in life: Make mhz happy. ;-) | 02:41 |
| mhz | kjcole: LOL!! | 02:41 |
| kjcole | mhz, don't tell your wife. | 02:41 |
| mhz | kjcole: wikilearn was being thought as a moin + moodle. But it could be thought as 100% python!!! | 02:42 |
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| mhz | :D | 02:42 |
| mhz | kjcole: impossible to hide from her. i will be too happy | 02:42 |
| kjcole | mhz, Anyway, I'm going to RUN, get breakfast, and RUN back for a a11y meeting. (by the way, I hadn't seen a11y til today in the ubuntu-meeting, and I asked there what it meant. I'm only a few lines ahead of you on knowing that term.) | 02:43 |
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| mhz | hehehe | 02:43 |
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| kjcole | Back from the snack bar with seconds to spare! | 02:58 |
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| mhz | ogra: JaneW: a11y about to begin | 03:28 |
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| juliux | ogra, we will buy a printer so we can print edubuntu and other cds/dvds in essen | 07:16 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: what is ldm, is it running on client or on server? | 08:54 |
| blue-frog | On server, an equivalent to gdm (as far as i know) but faster for clients | 09:20 |
| blue-frog | less greedy bandwith wise i guess. | 09:21 |
| lucasvo | blue-frog: do you know if there is any way how to determine which user is logged in on which pc(for e.g. a table with user and ip)? | 09:34 |
| blue-frog | try in a console who to know whos is logged in i think | 09:36 |
| lucasvo | blue-frog: the problem is I need to know where a user is logged in | 09:36 |
| blue-frog | sry i don't know for now | 09:37 |
| blue-frog | hmm tes maybe | 09:40 |
| blue-frog | yes maybe | 09:40 |
| blue-frog | from the server log | 09:40 |
| lucasvo | blue-frog: and where can I find the server log? | 09:41 |
| blue-frog | am switching on edubuntu to have a look | 09:41 |
| blue-frog | try /var/log/ldm.log if it exists | 09:42 |
| blue-frog | no it doesn't | 09:44 |
| blue-frog | booting a client to have a look... | 09:48 |
| blue-frog | what do you need to do? you know a name and you want to know where it's logged from or you just want a map of all logged in users? | 09:53 |
| blue-frog | well in fact doesn't matter, don't know a simpler way but i think u can make a script for that | 09:54 |
| blue-frog | by the way installing webmin dhcp interface may give you what you want... a table | 09:57 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 23 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Yagisan has a boy !! | ||
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| mhz | ogra: ping | 10:43 |
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| blue-frog | lucasvo, still around? | 11:37 |
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| blue-frog | lucasvo, am going to bed, here is a solution to your problem... am not a bash expert (far from it) so the solution needs tweaking.. | 11:43 |
| blue-frog | lucasvo, cat /var/log/auth.log | grep Accepted | cut -f4 -d: | 11:44 |
| blue-frog | lucasvo, gives you a list of who logged in succesfully with an IP number, then by checking with the leases you will know the mac address. So if you keep a table of your mac addresses you will know what client is being used by who | 11:46 |
| Oge_ | you may say "grep Acceptde /var/log/auth.log", cat is not necessary | 11:49 |
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| blue-frog | lucasvo, even simpler with Oge_ typing then. Furthermore, if you assign (if realistic) an IP to a macaddress you will see right away what client it is in the webmin dhcp interface or by doing a grep on the dhcp.leases | 11:52 |
| blue-frog | lucasvo, no not dhcp.leases, dhcp.conf is where you assign IP to a mac address.. | 11:55 |
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