[12:13] <juliux> congrats mhz 
[12:13] <crimsun> congrats to both of you
[12:14] <juliux> crimsun, thanks
[12:14] <ogra> yay
[12:15] <mhz> thx.
[12:17] <ogra> :-D
[12:18] <ogra> :.D +
[12:26] <mhz> juliux: so what now? we are more responsible for failures ?? :D
[12:26] <mhz> hehehe
[12:27] <juliux> mhz, i think so
[12:27] <juliux> *g*
[12:27] <mhz> ogra: was i off line?
[12:27] <mhz> juliux: ping
[12:27] <mhz> duh!
[12:27] <mhz> this ISP!!
[12:27] <mhz> i never knew
[12:27] <ogra> mhz, not to my knowledge
[12:28] <juliux> mhz, what do you want to know?
[12:29] <mhz> juliux: I meant.. I never noticed I was off line. But it felt wired IRC so static for soo long :)
[12:34] <Diosan> hello room
[12:35] <mhz> Diosan: hi
[12:35] <Diosan> hows it going
[12:35] <juliux> hi Diosan 
[12:35] <Diosan> hi folks
[12:35] <Diosan> this project is very very exciting
[12:36] <mhz> Diosan: we think so
[12:36] <juliux> gn8 everybody
[12:37] <mhz> sleepp well and happy
[12:37] <ogra> Diosan, yes, isnt it :)
[12:38] <Diosan> yup
[12:38] <mhz> ogra: I really appreciate your vote. For a moment I thought I didn't know what 'contributing' meant ;)
[12:39] <Diosan> well actually I can't speak from experience now downloading it
[12:39] <kjcole> Lot's  of energy, and I expect more from the young'un's. ;-)
[12:39] <ogra> Diosan, make sure to read http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes before installing :)
[12:39] <mhz> ogra: next time I know i have to intriduce myself telling what I have done/wanna do. Not who i am :)
[12:40] <mhz> kjcole: thx. I will "show some code"
[12:40] <mhz> .oO(though I am not a coder)
[12:41] <kjcole> Also, if you experiment with LVM during install, don't choose the wipe disk and use LVM,  and then  expect to  cancel out.  ;-)
[12:41] <mhz> Diosan: no worries. This channel is always open to help
[12:41] <mhz> and to receive help as well
[12:41] <mhz> :D
[12:41] <mhz> heheheheheh
[12:41] <mhz> kjcole: indeed
[12:41] <Diosan> but I wanted to know if the tux4kids and other application are installed with the OS or have to be added afterward
[12:42] <Diosan> wow
[12:42] <Diosan> this is the first linux community i have been in that feels like a community and not eliteist
[12:42] <mhz> Diosan: there is EdubuntuSoftwareList on the wiki
[12:42] <mhz> those are the apps. chosen for this release
[12:42] <kjcole> With  a lot of the options in the partitioning options, you have a final step that  says  'write the changes'.  Not so with that LVM  option.  It just  does   it.
[12:43] <Diosan> and with a whole bunch of people in the channel that are actually willing to helo
[12:43] <mhz> ogra: BTW, schooltool is not listed. Because it is not considered app?
[12:43] <ogra> mhz, its already in
[12:43] <mhz> Diosan: how eliteist?
[12:44] <ogra> mhz, rtfm etc ...
[12:45] <mhz> ogra: hmmmmmmm, not in http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[12:46] <ogra> mhz, i meant rtfm with eliteist ...
[12:46] <ogra> its a common answer in other linux communities
[12:47] <mhz> ogra: I know shcooltool is included because I used it, I just wanted to know if the list you made was based on a criteria or it was missed only
[12:47] <mhz> ogra: ahhhh RTFM
[12:47] <mhz> that's eliteist!!
[12:47] <mhz> duh!
[12:47] <mhz> so I was ignorant
[12:47] <mhz> :)
[12:48] <ogra> mhz, i would ban you from the channel if you used it more than once :)
[12:48] <mhz> Diosan: sure, RTFM stupid phrases are against our Manifesto, so please feel yourself at home
[12:48] <Diosan> good
[12:48] <kjcole> Well, with a group that's largely focused on education, one hopes we'd be a community of teachers and learners as well as techies and evangelists. "RTFM" is no way to teach or preach. ;-)
[12:48] <mhz> ogra: ooooops, I already used it 3 times in a row :D
[12:49] <ogra> hehe
[12:49] <Diosan> im not exactly a newbie to linux
[12:49] <mhz> kjcole: indeed
[12:49] <Diosan> but i never quite liked the elitism i have seen elsewhere
[12:49] <mhz> Diosan: can you tell us about yourself?
[12:49] <Diosan> sure
[12:49] <mhz> oooops, Diosan.
[12:49] <mhz> my wife calls me for dinner
[12:50] <Diosan> I work for the cable company in trinidad and tobago
[12:50] <Diosan> np
[12:50] <mhz> if i dont follow, she'll kick me butt :)
[12:50] <kjcole> mhz: bon appitite
[12:51] <ogra> yes, mhz_dinner enjoy
[12:51] <Diosan> my main interest in the software is as a solution for the schools in this country
[12:51] <Diosan> which in my opinion are pretty backward
[12:51] <Diosan> bye mhz
[12:52] <kjcole> Diosan: Are you keeping an eye on Negroponte's $100 computer? 
[12:53] <Diosan> from MIT ?
[12:53] <Diosan> yes i have
[12:53] <Diosan> very much so
[12:54] <Diosan> but i have to admit that the country is affluent enough not to neccesitate that in most cases 
[12:54] <kjcole> Don't know that there'll be much use in the US... (beggars here are choosers), but elsewhere, lots of possibility, and maybe eventually here too.
[12:55] <Diosan> but as with all none first world countries the wealth doesn't seem to get to the people who need it most
[12:55] <Diosan> which means poor children suffer
[12:56] <Diosan> but in general there is alot of scope for it here
[12:56] <Diosan> even if it only begins with the private schools
[12:56] <kjcole> My own interest is less in the general use of computers in education, but more about "nostalgia" in a way:
[12:57] <Diosan> takes you back to your old apple II E ?
[12:58] <kjcole> I was part of a pilot program to introduce programming to high school students in 1973.  Until then, I had never fit in anywhere.  I wasn't an athlete, I wasn't a scholar, and I wasn't one of the popular kids either.
[12:59] <kjcole> "nerd", "geek" and "dork" weren't part of the common vocabulary either, but if they had been, they'd all have been insults.
[12:59] <Diosan> I hear you
[01:00] <Diosan> I was responsible along with two other students for setting up the computer labs in my school
[01:00] <kjcole> But then, out of 60 kids in the pilot program, 5 of us took to it like fish to water.  It was as if we'd been starving our whole lives and finally had food in front of us.  We gorged on computers.
[01:00] <Diosan> we got boxes of old junk from norway that they "donated"
[01:00] <Diosan> and put together the machines and made something workable
[01:00] <Diosan> had a profound effect on me if you will
[01:01] <kjcole> Apple IIe was about the 5th computer I encountered. We started with the Xerox Data Systems (XDS) Sigma 7, running the CP-5 OS.
[01:01] <Diosan> I know what you mean, i had been selected after that to do free training and an adult technical facility
[01:01] <Diosan> it was wonderful
[01:02] <kjcole> And we ended up teaching those students who were either terrified or confused.  It was a great feeling.  When I went off to college, I majored in computers.  When it came time for an internship, I told my advisor
[01:03] <Diosan> hmmm
[01:03] <Diosan> i thought in highshool as well
[01:03] <kjcole> "Put me in a school.  I want to work with computers in education."
[01:03] <Diosan> i hated school though
[01:03] <kjcole> I've been at Gallaudet University ever since then (December 1977).
[01:04] <Diosan> i found it so annoying to be in a college tutorial where my pertinent questions and observations were regarded as disruptive
[01:04] <Diosan> so i quit
[01:04] <Diosan> never been back
[01:04] <Diosan> hasn't hurt me too badly though
[01:05] <kjcole> I never finished my computer science degree. 
[01:06] <kjcole> But after several years at gallaudet, and my boss pestering me, I finally went back and got a degree. (He was expecting computer science, but I ended up with an audio technology degree which I've never used.)
[01:06] <Diosan> but i always wanted to contribute in a technological way to the progress of this little country
[01:06] <Diosan> and i think you also maybe facilaitating me
[01:07] <Diosan> facilitating rather
[01:08] <kjcole> Well, like you said: Nice community.  I'm finding myself sucked into projects and ambitious goals by Edubuntu and kin.  So, we facilitate each other, I guess.
[01:12] <Diosan> i hear you
[01:12] <Diosan> and i am willing to contribute abit
[01:12] <Diosan> as soon as I can gain a better understanding
[01:12] <Diosan> like actually installing it
[01:18] <kjcole> Heh.  I installed Hoary Hedgehog (4.10) and lots of stuff broke.  But the philosophy and spirit still interested me. I switched to Fedora (being MUCH more comfy in a RedHat world), but maintained interest.  I went to the Montreal meeting, but didn't have Ubuntu installed.  I just installed Edubuntu yesterday.
[01:18] <kjcole> (And stayed up very late adding packages to it.)
[01:20] <Diosan> lol
[01:21] <kjcole> I'm actually home at the moment, sitting at my old, reliable RH9 box.  (It's one old dog that I don't want to teach a new trick.)
[01:21] <AstroKing> Hello, I am at the install screen where it asks for IP address.  I want to use DHCP, but it seems to demand an IP address.  Can I go on by just leaving it blank?
[01:22] <kjcole> I ran into that as well.  I don't think you can.  I ended up temporarily booting into Windoze, getting the IP that DHCP assigned, and then restarting the install using that IP.
[01:22] <AstroKing> Ok, will try that.
[01:23] <kjcole> Not pretty, but it worked.
[01:27] <AstroKing> Thanks, letting it boot up now.  I'm a 2nd grade teacher and our computer lab is full of (mostly) dysfuntional 7-year old iMacs.  Trying to figure out something that would be a cheap solution and not pay so much money on windows licenses.
[01:27] <kjcole> The wiki doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/I386 says otherwise (claiming to detect DHCP) but that wasn't my experience.
[01:28] <kjcole> cool.
[01:29] <Diosan> ist really small
[01:29] <kjcole> So, where do you teach, and are what lead you to Edubuntu?  Already a Linux person or new to it?
[01:29] <Diosan> 1 CD
[01:29] <Diosan> beautiful
[01:30] <Diosan> now all i need is to get a monitor for that spare machine I have home
[01:33] <AstroKing> I am in Texas, USA.  I went to university for computer science and was into Linux back then, but never was able to find a job after college so I became a teacher.  
[01:33] <AstroKing> As far as edubuntu, Distrowatch led me to it.
[01:34] <Diosan> i went to the site because my supervisor whom i interested inlinux was installing it on a mchine in the office
[01:36] <kjcole> I lucked out: I switched to Linux in '93, and at a Linux conference in NC in '99 I attended the first EduBOF.  It didn't go well, but I met a guy there who as it turns out lives very close to me.
[01:36] <kjcole> And he's the Education leader for Edubuntu: Jeff Elkner.
[01:38] <AstroKing> Nice.  I'm just trying to evaluate it to see if it would be workable at our school.  We need things like gradebook software, programs that can serve up math and reading tutorials/lessons, and so on.
[01:39] <kjcole> Look into SchoolTool which comes with Edubuntu, and Moodle which doesn't yet but is rumored to be in the next release.
[01:40] <kjcole> (I'm not an educator -- at least not paid for it -- so I don't know much about either, but they're "all the rage" with the teachers I've talked with.)
[01:41] <kjcole> Moodle is in the Universe repository, and so is easy to add on.  It's just not on the CD.
[01:41] <AstroKing> Thanks a lot...I need to be "armed with information" if and when I make a proposal to switch.
[01:42] <kjcole> Although it isn't Ubuntu, Jeff wrote a good article for Red Hat magazine about his experience as a high school teacher using Linux in the classroom.  That may provide you with some ammo.  It's on-line.
[01:45] <kjcole> (I'm looking for the URL, but I made a PDF of it if I can't find the source.)
[01:45] <AstroKing> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/arlington/
[01:45] <AstroKing> that must be it
[01:47] <AstroKing> be back in 5 minutes
[01:49] <kjcole> Yep. That's it.
[01:52] <AstroKing> back
[01:54] <kjcole> on the phone with   jeff  now. ;-)
[01:55] <AstroKing> cool, well tell him a teacher in Texas is installing it now to check it out.
[01:59] <mhz_dinner> re
[02:00] <kjcole> mhz is now known as mhz_fed.
[02:00] <mhz> hehehehe
[02:00] <mhz> indeed
[02:00] <kjcole> And just hung up with Jeff.
[02:00] <mhz> kjcole: I have good news for edubuntu
[02:01] <kjcole> We're we're planning to attend PyCon 2006 in TX, and push the Edubuntu / Python link.
[02:01] <kjcole> mhz, do tell. 
[02:02] <mhz> I have just hung up with the principal of a kinder garden school (?) and we are inviting Parents and othere teachers form local community to an event where will demo edubuntu. (about 60 people)
[02:02] <kjcole> Very nice!
[02:02] <mhz> He liked edubuntu so much that he even volunteered to desing nice non-expensive invitations (he's designer)
[02:03] <mhz> In the mid of 2006, he'll start a language school (for kids with language problems)
[02:04] <mhz> coincidentally, tomorrow, Henrik and others have the meeting about "SpecialNeeds" (people who use IT but have difficulties with hearing, viewing, etc)
[02:04] <AstroKing> here's a question..how good is edubuntu at wireless?  there's a chance our school may go wireless soon, so i'm just wondering.
[02:04] <mhz> AstroKing: edubuntu is ubuntu
[02:05] <mhz> AstroKing: hence, if Ubuntu Wi fi is good, then edubuntu will too
[02:05] <Diosan> ok guys
[02:05] <Diosan> i have to go
[02:05] <Diosan> but thank you
[02:05] <Diosan> again
[02:06] <Diosan> and i'll be in touch
[02:06] <mhz> AstroKing: i hope you enjoy edubuntu as much as other teacher have in Chile. We do think we urgently need more testers and teachers to help on cross-curricular crossing with edubuntu tools
[02:06] <mhz> Diosan: thx, bye
[02:07] <AstroKing> Yes..sorry, I have been "out" of linux for about a year or so.  I've stayed in touch with linux news and have heard of the distros, but haven't actually had the time to test any out (including ubuntu) until now.
[02:12] <kjcole> Sorry, out fo a bit.
[02:12] <kjcole> Wireless... Check the card.
[02:14] <kjcole> When I was at the UBZ conference, I was working with a laptop that had Edubuntu on it and built-in wireless.  Edubuntu wouldn't talk to it but I remembered to bring a PCMCIA card that I knew worked with Red Hat.  Edubuntu liked that just fine.
[02:19] <AstroKing> Thanks
[02:20] <kjcole> For laptops at the conference, everyone was raving about the HP's.  I had a Dell.
[02:20] <AstroKing> Yeah - chances are our school district will continue with dell
[02:22] <kjcole> I forget what the built-in wireless in that Dell was (and I don't have it now. I borrowed it from work.) But folks at UBZ bitched about it and said we needed to lobby for more open specs from whoever made the built-in.
[02:26] <AstroKing> it's installed now, sound works
[02:28] <kjcole> I had problems yesterday with audio/video trying to get all formats to work.  gxine finally seemed to be the only thing that worked with everything.
[02:29] <kjcole> (I installed all the stuff from the RestrictedFormats wiki page, and I'm sure some of that helped.)
[02:36] <AstroKing> I've noticed that gcompris uses Euros for counting money.  Any idea of how or if it's possible to switch it to US Dollars?
[02:38] <kjcole> Not a clear idea, but I thought it was part of a series of apps that all used the same language info... 
[02:39] <kjcole> So, there may be a place outside of gcompris but "in the neighborhood" from which it gets it's settings.
[02:47] <AstroKing> yeah, because for the local setting in gcompris, it has the US flag
[02:47] <AstroKing> also can't find that schooltools program in edubuntu
[02:48] <kjcole> SchoolTool  (singular, and capitalized).  It should start up when you boot Edubuntu.
[02:48] <AstroKing> Ok, let me look
[02:50] <AstroKing> I'm just saying, I can't find it in the menu system.  I am assuming it is a program that you can run, like tux math?
[02:51] <kjcole> No, both it, and moodle are web-based school/course admin tools.  So, they start up as deamons and you connect to them via the web.
[02:52] <AstroKing> ok, I just saw that in the screenshot on the SchoolTool site now.
[02:53] <kjcole> I guess the assumption is that you'll have many people entering content, and thus want it accessable to all at any time.
[02:54] <AstroKing> Theoretically, you would want SchoolTool hosted on one central server, right?  Because if people are just entering it on their own localhost, nobody else can see it (like for calendars).
[02:55] <kjcole> Right.  That's the idea.  (But I run a lot of "mini servers"
[02:56] <mhz_family> re
[02:56] <kjcole> Nothing particularly special about them, if I don't expect them to be under heavy load.)
[02:57] <kjcole> mhz glad you're back: I've got to run in a minute but wanted to know when the Accessibilty/Special Needs meeting is/
[02:57] <mhz> kjcole: tomorrow.. let me get the schedule
[02:58] <mhz> IIRC it will take place after edubuntu meeting which is 12 UTC
[02:58] <mhz> kjcole: I think one hour will be too short for a first brainstorming meeting, 
[02:58] <mhz> which could easily overflow. I've now set the time to 14.30, which 
[02:58] <mhz> should give the Edubuntu team enough time to wrap up and even take a 
[02:58] <mhz> short break before joining us ;)
[02:58] <mhz> As I mentioned, I've written up some ideas here: 
[02:58] <mhz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityTeamGoals and I beleive Daniel 
[02:58] <mhz> intends to add his thoughts today as well. Feel free to chip in. I've 
[02:58] <mhz> started this page: AccessibilityTeamGoals/Talk for those who might just 
[02:58] <mhz> want to comment on the existing points.
[02:58] <mhz> See you all Wednesday :)
[02:59] <AstroKing> Thanks KJ..will be playing around with edubuntu for a few days and learn it.  I need to run myself here, later man.
[02:59] <mhz> kjcole: sorry that paste was long but as you are leaving I thought that was faster
[02:59] <mhz> :)
[03:01] <mhz> kjcole: about laptops/ I found once, that a potential good biz alternative to MIt's is getting pieces from China or India. If all goes well, I guess they could be sold at U$270
[03:02] <mhz> U$270 = 1 GHz, 256 MB ram, 10 inches, 20 - 30 GB
[03:04] <mhz> kjcole: I have a Fujitsu LifeBook B 2175
[03:08] <mhz> Burgundavia: hi there
[03:09] <mhz> I will meet with Pablo (the SVG man tomorrow)
[03:12] <Burgundavia> hey mhz 
[03:12] <mhz> arkan0x: hi
[03:12] <arkan0x> mhz: hi !
[03:12] <mhz> Burgundavia: Pablo will include the very originals
[03:13] <Burgundavia> excellent
[03:13] <mhz> he said he did it because not everybody has same fonts, so he 'traced' the texts
[03:13] <mhz> to avoid font confilcts
[03:14] <mhz> arkan0x: me aceptaron como miembro del Conclio de la Comunidad ubuntu !!!!
[03:14] <mhz> concilio
[03:15] <arkan0x> rlz !
[03:15] <mhz> heheh
[03:15] <mhz> gracias
[03:15] <arkan0x> congratulations mhz ! 
[03:15] <arkan0x> que bien !
[03:17] <mhz> arkan0x: manana intetnare ir a la reunion del CDSL para el Install Fest
[03:17] <mhz> no es seguro
[03:17] <mhz> pero intentare
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz: okis , por ultimo en la reunion me conecto a irc y ahi vas tirando ideas
[03:17] <mhz> arkan0x: will you go there
[03:17] <arkan0x> se
[03:17] <mhz> ah!!! rulz!
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz: !
[03:18] <mhz> arkan0x: habra espacio (aunque sea poco) para una mini charla de Ubuntu y Edubuntu?
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz: usas algo Voip ?
[03:18] <kjcole> Been in and out for the last several minutes, but am really leaving now. ;-)  See you tomorrow... twice I think. ;-)
[03:19] <mhz> kjcole: i guess you have backlogs :)
[03:19] <arkan0x> mhz: osea por mi bakan , pero hay ke verlo ,pq la gente de argentina tiene "preferencia" y el asunto dura asta las 4 nu mas
[03:19] <mhz> or everything gets logged and pasted in url?
[03:19] <mhz> arkan0x: will the argentinan guys be in that meeting, too?
[03:19] <kjcole> Konversation logs it all, and I think fabbio does too.
[03:20] <mhz> kjcole: okis, bye
[03:21] <mhz> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2005-November/000323.html
[03:21] <mhz> arkan0x: en esa URL, MagicFab esta disenando un materila sobre edubuntu en espanol
[03:22] <mhz> material
[03:23] <mhz> arkan0x: http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/60378589/in/photostream/
[03:23] <arkan0x> mhz: rlz
[03:24] <mhz> te parece si usamos algo asi para el InstallFest?
[03:24] <mhz> I take care of it!
[03:25] <arkan0x> mhz: yo imprimo !
[03:25] <mhz> educool!
[03:29] <mhz> arkan0x: I like this laptop http://www.flickr.com/photos/magicfab/57561357/
[03:29] <mhz> but i prefer the Libretto :)
[03:30] <arkan0x> jejee
[03:30] <arkan0x> mhz: ke laptop es el de la foto ?
[03:31] <mhz> ni idea hehehe
[03:31] <mhz> pero rlz!
[03:31] <arkan0x> mhz: es un dell
[03:32] <mhz> tan chico?
[03:32] <mhz> http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/EdubuntuChile
[03:32] <mhz> como se ve?
[03:33] <mhz> arkan0x: aahhh, olvide contarte: Contacte a la gente de ConferencePack. Me aceptaron, pero no me han confirmado cuando llegaria a Chile. Creo que manana sabre, pero dudo que sea para esta semana :(
[03:33] <mhz> arkan0x: and also, I requested 200 x86 + 15 64bits + 15 PPC
[03:35] <mhz> para ser repartidos "al merito" en Edubuntu Chilean Tour y en Ubuntu Fest (Install Fest + HowTo Fest)
[03:35] <arkan0x> mhz: y donde se piensa hacer ubuntufest-cl ?
[03:36] <mhz> arkan0x: Tecnocimiento lo organizara puh
[03:36] <mhz> :)
[03:36] <mhz> y ojala con tu ayuda
[03:36] <arkan0x> sipo
[03:36] <mhz> y la del CDLS
[03:36] <mhz> cdsl
[03:36] <arkan0x> mhz: pero en ke parte fisica ?
[03:36] <mhz> ahhhh
[03:36] <mhz> aun no se
[03:37] <mhz> si se, que la idea es que el CDSL se note mas participativo a ver si en una de esas se animan a organizarse mejor
[03:38] <mhz> De hecho, CDSL deberia ser un Centro de Difusion Nacional
[03:38] <mhz> donde otras regiones participen localmente
[03:38] <arkan0x> sep , esa era la idea inicial
[03:38] <mhz> pero bueno, primero debe suceder en santiago. Si en casa no funca... menos afuera
[03:40] <mhz> well, we'll see.
[04:13] <arkan0x> mhz: !!!!
[04:13] <arkan0x> mhz: ping xD!
[04:13] <mhz> yup
[04:13] <mhz> arkan0x: vas manana al MAC?
[04:13] <arkan0x> mhz: por extranna razon , en edubuntu/con kde , me funka la vga del laptop , no la del dock
[04:13] <arkan0x> mhz: ! sep
[04:14] <arkan0x> apenas salgo de clases me voy paya
[04:14] <mhz> ???
[04:14] <arkan0x> salgo alas 4
[04:14] <arkan0x> mhz: osea el laptop funka al 100%
[04:14] <mhz> y antes no?
[04:14] <arkan0x> no al 98% como te dije antes
[04:14] <mhz> ahhh
[04:14] <arkan0x> te acuerdas ke probamos la salida vga del laptop y no funko 
[04:14] <mhz> o sera problema de config entonces?
[04:15] <arkan0x> mmm puede ser
[04:15] <mhz> sip
[04:15] <arkan0x> como ubuntu tiene buenas config
[04:15] <arkan0x> demas
[04:15] <mhz> te lo CAMBIO!!!
[04:15] <arkan0x> mhz: ejjejeje
[04:15] <mhz> hehehe
[04:15] <mhz> nika!
[04:15] <mhz> o sika?
[04:15] <arkan0x> nIKA!
[04:15] <mhz> hehehe
[04:15] <arkan0x> jejeje
[04:15] <mhz> @#$%^&**%^#@
[04:16] <mhz> lol
[04:16] <mhz> ta bien h
[04:16] <mhz> ta bien oh
[04:16] <arkan0x> pero si lo tuviera que vender , te aviso a ti primero
[04:16] <mhz> nha! y a cuanto?
[04:16] <arkan0x> asike no te preocupes
[04:16] <arkan0x> mhz: no sep :P
[04:16] <mhz> hehe
[04:16] <mhz> ya, demosle
[04:17] <mhz> arkan0x: i suggest you move that to #kubuntu
[04:17] <mhz> and #ubuntu
[04:17] <mhz> and #gnome
[04:17] <mhz> and #ubuntu-laptop
[04:17] <mhz> es muy extrano
[04:17] <arkan0x> mhz: , si ya aplike el ubuntu-database
[04:17] <arkan0x> pero , aver , deja ir pa gnome , por si las moskas
[04:18] <arkan0x> eske toy en kde pq , me funka suspender
[04:20] <mhz> ahhh, si. a mi tambien
[04:20] <mhz> pero no en Wmaker :(
[04:33] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[04:33] <arkan0x> mhz, pa suspender en wmaker
[04:34] <mhz> si?
[04:34] <arkan0x> klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend
[04:34] <arkan0x> recien probe xd
[04:35] <arkan0x> mhz, y ??
[04:35] <mhz> cooool
[04:36] <arkan0x> te suspendio ?
[04:36] <mhz> lo pruebo al tiro
[04:56] <mhz> oops
[04:56] <mhz> ISP failure
[04:56] <mhz> (i guess)
[05:20] <mhz> visit http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay
[05:28] <arkan0x> mhz, y >?
[05:28] <arkan0x> work suspend >?
[05:28] <mhz> arkan0x: sip
[05:28] <mhz> pero eth0 guateo!
[05:28] <mhz> y no hubo caso que funcara
[05:28] <arkan0x> no la vuelve a levantar ?
[05:29] <mhz> y para no perder mas tiempo, simplemente le agreque el docking
[05:29] <mhz> nope, no lo hizo, ni manulamente
[05:29] <mhz> asi que manan lo veo de nuevo
[05:29] <arkan0x> y si le sakai el mapping hotplug del interfaces ?
[05:29] <arkan0x> yo lo tengo comentao eso
[05:29] <mhz> por ahora estoy terminando un laaaaargo dia sentado (desde las 09:15 AM hasta ahora)
[05:30] <arkan0x> aaa okis
[05:30] <mhz> arkan0x: buena idea
[05:30] <arkan0x> yapos, suerte igual con la suspendia xD
[05:30] <mhz> arkan0x: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay
[05:30] <arkan0x> byez
[05:32] <mhz> and be back for meeting
[06:44] <crimsun> I'll just stay awake for the meeting :-)
[11:13] <tekNico> Hi everybody, I'm having difficulties setting up a thin client network with Edubuntu.
[11:15] <tekNico> After the short Edubuntu howtos, I've been following the LTSP 4.1 docs at http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/ltsp-4.1/ltsp-4.1.3-en.html .
[11:16] <tekNico> I'm able to connect to the server launching an X session with "X -query SERVER_IP".
[11:18] <tekNico> From within a Kubuntu installation on a laptop.
[11:19] <tekNico> However, I have problems when booting from network, on both the laptop and another desktop.
[11:21] <tekNico> On the laptop I get a "-vttty: unknown option" error at X server startup.
[11:21] <tekNico> On the desktop, the remote loading of the vmlinuz and intrd.img files progresses very slowly, and eventually times out.
[11:23] <tekNico> The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto doc says: "the Xserver settings are autodetected". Maybe there's a problem with that, on the laptop?
[11:24] <tekNico> Regarding the desktop, I get different behavior with two different NICs, so maybe there's some kind of hardware or Etherboot problem.
[11:25] <ogra> tekNico, if you used ltspadmin together with the breezy ltsp, your system is broken now ...
[11:25] <tekNico> Oh, nice. :-/
[11:25] <ogra> the two implementations (ltsp 4.1 and breezy ltsp) are incompatible
[11:26] <tekNico> ltspadmin actually installed about 130MB of packages, that looked strange.
[11:26] <ogra> breezy ltsp does everything automatically, ltsp 4.1 needs decent setup
[11:27] <ogra> yes, it installs the chroot environment from tarballs from the net, instead of usins already available distribution packages like breezy ltsp does
[11:27] <tekNico> I see. Shall I uninstall ltsp, erase /opt/ltsp contents, and reinstall ltsp?
[11:27] <ogra> you can try it, but i didnt see someone getting it working yet ...
[11:28] <tekNico> Do I really have to reinstall Edubuntu on the server from scratch? :-s
[11:28] <ogra> you can also go on with 4.1 but nobody in here can be a big help for that ...
[11:29] <ogra> i'd suggest #ltsp for 4.1 questions ....
[11:29] <tekNico> I'm already trying there, but mention of Edubuntu seems to only elicit evasive, or no, answers. ;-)
[11:30] <ogra> i'm in there too ... edubuntu implies for them that its my domain :)
[11:30] <ogra> you should mention that you use 4.1.3 ;)
[11:30] <tekNico> Moreover, I like Ubunt, and simplicity, so I'd certainly like to follow the smoother road. :-)
[11:31] <tekNico> UbuntU, even
[11:31] <tekNico> I did mention following the LTSP 4.1 docs...
[11:31] <ogra> note that etherboot isnt tested widely ...
[11:31] <ogra> (with the breezy implementation)
[11:31] <ogra> yes, you did
[11:32] <tekNico> So, how do the clients boot?
[11:32] <ogra> but the 4.1 docs are not appropriate :)
[11:32] <ogra> PXE
[11:32] <tekNico> What about older NICs without boot ROM, or even no network boot option in the BIOS?
[11:32] <ogra> which doesnt help if you have etherboot indeed, except if you boot from CD or floppy
[11:33] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[11:33] <ogra> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
[11:33] <ogra> these two might be helpful ...
[11:34] <tekNico> I'm booting from floppies with stuff downloaded from rom-o-matic.net . Is there another way?
[11:34] <ogra> and indeed the most important doc: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[11:34] <tekNico> Oh, the good old tomsrtbt. :-)
[11:34] <ogra> the floppy method is fine, you just need to make sure that pxe emulation is enabled in the rom
[11:35] <tekNico> The ROM downloaded from rom-o-matic.net?
[11:36] <ogra> yup
[11:37] <ogra> there is aconfiguration option for PXE emulation on the site...
[11:38] <tekNico> Mmh, can't find it there...
[11:39] <ogra> http://rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[11:39] <tekNico> In the release notes for Etherboot 5.4.1 there's this link, is that it? http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php
[11:40] <ogra> click the "configure" button on that page
[11:41] <tekNico> Do I need to choose PXE at point 2. ?
[11:42] <crimsun> ogra: is there an agenda for this morning's meeting?
[11:42] <crimsun> (sorry to interrupt)
[11:43] <ogra> crimsun, hmm, ask JaneW
[11:43] <ogra> dunno if one is up anywhere, she surely has one
[11:43] <tekNico> Wow, lots of options there.
[11:44] <tekNico> Is there any way to have a generic PXE boot, and autodetect the NIC driver, instead of having to create a different one for each NIC?
[11:44] <ogra> from the wikipage i gave you: Make sure PXELOADER_KEEP_ALL is ticked, and it is a good idea to also tick POWERSAVE, ALLMULTI, MULTICAST_LEVEL1, MULTICAST_LEVEL2, and DOWNLOAD_PROTO_TFTM
[11:45] <tekNico> Great, thanks.
[11:47] <tekNico> Enough new stuff to study and try, I'll be back to report success, or else ask for help again. In the meantime, thanks again. :-)
[11:48] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[11:48] <juliux> morning
[11:49] <ogra> morning
[11:51] <juliux> in one houre is a edubunut meeting right?
[11:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update meeting in +- 1 Hour on #ubuntu-meeting
[11:59] <JaneW> juliux: yes ^
[11:59] <crimsun> JaneW: is there a public agenda?
[12:00] <spacey> :)
[12:00] <crimsun> right now I'm just perusing the specs from UBZ
[12:00] <spacey> i'll be there
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: you said mdz still had to approve many of your specs, but it doesn;t look like they have progressed out of drafting...
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: have they been submitted for approval yet?
[12:06] <ogra> nope
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: see https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specstable
[12:06] <ogra> i will have it done before tomorrow
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: cos I can;t really nag him before they are submitted
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:06] <ogra> he said he wanted to talk to me... he didnt yet
[12:06] <JaneW> oic
[12:07] <JaneW> damn, I'll have to dbl check if he wanted ME to set the meetings up, I am sure he said he'd 'catch' the ppl on the fly..
[12:07] <ogra> dont worry ...
[12:07] <JaneW> I can find most of my notes from last week's edubuntu meeting, I wanted to finsh them this am...
[12:08] <JaneW> crimsun: no there's no formal agenda - or rather the agenda is the same each week i.e...
[12:08] <ogra> did you get my /msg btw ? 
[12:09] <JaneW> Each week we discuss: Progress in last week, Issues/Blocks, Planned Activities for next week. 
[12:09] <JaneW> in the Categories:
[12:09] <JaneW> Technical
[12:09] <JaneW> , Documentation
[12:09] <JaneW> , Art Work
[12:09] <JaneW> , Management etc
[12:09] <crimsun> JaneW: ok, thanks. I wasn't sure whether specific issues were up.
[12:09] <crimsun> ogra: (addressed to me?)
[12:10] <ogra> crimsun, nope, to JaneW 
[12:10] <JaneW> I want to try to get results tabulated, see the tables I have proposed for this on: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[12:10] <crimsun> ogra: ok
[12:10] <JaneW> ogra: yes thanks, me goes to read properly
[12:10] <ogra> JaneW, i'm not really sure if we want another lightweight desktop, xubuntu is enough imho
[12:11] <mhz> hi
[12:11] <JaneW> ita
[12:11] <JaneW> who is doing Xubuntu?
[12:11] <ogra> JaneW, crimsun :)
[12:12] <JaneW> LOL really?
[12:12] <JaneW> cool
[12:12] <ogra> its waiting for main inclusion already
[12:12] <JaneW> ok, I'll let the other guy know...
[12:13] <ogra> the icewm changes we'd need for lightweight desktop would be very intrusive and would affect normal icewm installations, xubuntu could be used right away without breaking stuff ;)
[12:14] <crimsun> well, Jani has been doing most of the work lately; I've been doing merge work
[12:15] <ogra> but you are still 50% of the xubuntu team, arent you ? 
[12:15] <mhz> ogra: even wmaker?
[12:15] <crimsun> 1/3, maybe 1/4 (that reminds me that I need to check the approval...)
[12:15] <ogra> mhz, wmaker wasnt discussed for lightweight desktop
[12:15] <mhz> oooohh
[12:15] <ogra> the choices were icewm and xfce
[12:16] <mhz> can I support it for edubuntu?
[12:16] <mhz> yes , i know i can
[12:16] <ogra> heh
[12:16] <mhz> but my question is
[12:17] <mhz> if I support it, i can customize it to make it look good for edubuntu light needs
[12:17] <mhz> but will i have too many issues with packages or stuff?
[12:17] <ogra> mhz, without changing it for current users ? 
[12:18] <mhz> (so far I use wmaker very well, but I also know, GNOME and KDE are already installed )
[12:18] <mhz> ogra: what you mean?
[12:19] <ogra> mhz, if you make changes to it, they may not change anything for existing users
[12:19] <ogra> s/existing users/existing installs/
[12:19] <JaneW> -> lunch
[12:20] <ogra> thats *very* difficult to do ...
[12:20] <mhz> you mean 'already logged in users'?
[12:21] <mhz> or users in /etc/passwd?
[12:21] <ogra> i mean users that ue wmaker 
[12:21] <ogra> *use
[12:21] <mhz> oh, but all changes are send to /usr/share/...
[12:21] <ogra> if you change things in the configuration, you must be sure not to break anything for them
[12:22] <mhz> oh, you mean USERS already using WMAKER in the wrold?
[12:22] <ogra> yes
[12:22] <mhz> duh!
[12:22] <ogra> not in the world, but in ubuntu :)
[12:22] <mhz> hehehe
[12:23] <mhz> my world has been ubuntu stuff (reading and installing, and talking) for the last few months
[12:23] <mhz> hmmm
[12:23] <mhz> I could start "theming" wmaker for edubuntu
[12:24] <ogra> sure
[12:24] <mhz> then, once Victor (IT and web developer tecnocimiento gang)
[12:24] <mhz> motivates e can help me with more hard stuff, he's been using wmaker since always
[12:24] <mhz> and only wmaker
[12:25] <mhz> and maybe it may even be the excuse I need for him to start helping you :)
[12:26] <mhz> ogra: Today I have a meeting with Pablo (the designer who actually does the SVG stuff I am stupid at)
[12:26] <mhz> Tomrrow I can tell you if he'll help on edubuntu artwork
[12:26] <ogra> great :)
[12:27] <mhz> but Pablo was indeed happy for me being an ubuntu member
[12:27] <mhz> :D
[12:27] <ogra> heh
[12:28] <mhz> ogra: btw, when is the list of memebers updated?
[12:28] <mhz> ogra: and when do i know if we're gonna have the edubuntu-cl ML?
[12:29] <ogra> mhz, ask jdub for it :) 
[12:29] <mhz> for both things?
[12:29] <ogra> he's currently waiting for his new adsl line, so he'll be hard to catch for some days
[12:29] <mhz> hehehehe
[12:29] <ogra> which memberlist do you mean ? 
[12:30] <mhz> the Ubuntu Memebers inlaunchpad (i found none in wiki)
[12:30] <ogra> did you subscribe to it ? it should get updated immediately after the meeting
[12:31] <ogra> updated == applying members get moved to approved members
[12:31] <mhz> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/
[12:32] <mhz> let me recheck the wiki
[12:32] <mhz> ogra: BTW, what do you think of UbuntuRequestDay?
[12:32] <ogra> whats that ? 
[12:32] <juliux> mhz, the list at always refereshed
[12:33] <mhz> juliux: really?
[12:33] <mhz> what url are you looking at?
[12:33] <juliux> mhz, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/
[12:34] <juliux> mhz, my name is allready on this list
[12:34] <mhz> juliux: my name isn't
[12:35] <juliux> mhz, do you have joined the group?
[12:35] <mhz> i tried yesterday night (well today at 01:00 AM)
[12:35] <ogra> mhz, you are not moved because makos vote is still missing ... :/
[12:35] <mhz>  You are a proposed member of this team. To become an active member your subscription has to bo approved by one of the team's administrators. You can't join this team.
[12:36] <mhz> ogra: ahhhhhhhhhhh
[12:36] <ogra> try to poke him to give his vote, i know he was ok with you, but didnt say it explicitly 
[12:37] <mhz> ogra: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay
[12:37] <mhz> juliux: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuRequestDay
[12:38] <mhz> obviously, the idea is to go there not dressed up with ubuntu stuff, just like any regular customer
[12:38] <mhz> and hopefully, during the day, they get 10 or more requests from diff people
[12:39] <juliux> mhz, good idea
[12:39] <mhz> ogra: ok, thx, i'll poke hime
[12:39] <mhz> juliux: thx
[12:39] <juliux> mhz, but i think that you have to do this with 100ths of people in every city
[12:40] <mhz> juliux: i think that once thing is to be concious about an situation. Another is to do something on real life (community bubble is not 100% effective)
[12:40] <mhz> juliux: sure. LoCo teams will have much to do here
[12:41] <juliux> very much
[12:41] <mhz> juliux: and maybe we should do it wider. LinuxRequestDay
[12:41] <mhz> so we have LUG's participation too
[12:42] <mhz> my thoughts are that we should have one worldwide activity every month
[12:44] <mhz> juliux: ogra:  First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
[12:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update meeting in +- 1 min on #ubuntu-meeting
[01:06] <jelkner> good morning everyone
[01:07] <jelkner> JaneW: hi jane!
[01:07] <ogra> jelkner, #ubuntu-meeting ;)
[01:08] <jelkner> ogra: oops, thanks!
[02:07] <mhz> re
[02:09] <kjcole> And we're back. ;-)
[02:09] <ogra> heh
[02:10] <jelkner> kjcole: where and when?
[02:11] <kjcole> jelkner, TBD ...  I'd vote for Gallaudet: On the metro, lots of computers, no people around...  But no beer.  Library is also a possibility
[02:11] <kjcole> (no beer there either).
[02:11] <jelkner> kjcole: i figured the two best possibilities are either gaulludette or mtrainierlibrary
[02:11] <jelkner> let's make it gallaudet then
[02:11] <kjcole> As to when:  Shortly after lunch, then grab dinner afterwords.
[02:11] <jelkner> what time?
[02:12] <jelkner> great
[02:12] <jelkner> 1 pm ?
[02:12] <kjcole> Say 1?
[02:12] <jelkner> lol
[02:12] <kjcole> Done.
[02:12] <jelkner> i'll have my cell, where can you be reached when i get there?
[02:12] <kjcole> 651-5135
[02:12] <jelkner> what is that?
[02:12] <kjcole> I'll arrive a bit early and be by the phone.
[02:13] <jelkner> oh, your office?
[02:13] <ogra> jelkner, what became of colin applegate ? did he drop ltsp work completely ? 
[02:14] <jelkner> ogra: he popped up briefly recently, but he is *very* busy at college
[02:14] <kjcole> Yeah. I've got my desktop and a laptop with edubuntu, and another machine with RHEL3.  Plus a two macs and a bunch of winblows machines.
[02:14] <jelkner> i'm hoping he'll make time again next summer
[02:14] <ogra> ah
[02:14] <ogra> i just saw him diappear silently ... send greetings if you see him
[02:14] <jelkner> will do
[02:15] <kjcole> ogra, you asked about accessibility meeting.  It was me who mentioned it.  Theoretically starting in 45 minutes, sayeth the fridge.
[02:15] <kjcole> jelkner, don't you have to go to school today?  (Or are you closed already for thanksgiving?)
[02:15] <ogra> kjcole, yup, i'll be there
[02:16] <jsgotangco> mmm
[02:16] <ogra> mmm ?
[02:16] <kjcole> mmm.  Now that we're all humming in the same key... ;-)
[02:17] <kjcole> mhz, I might try to get involved with that StudyPackage stuff too... a little.
[02:17] <mhz> cool
[02:17] <mhz> all help is good
[02:17] <mhz> kjcole: so you are moin fan?
[02:18] <jelkner> mhz: where can i find out more about EdubuntuStudyPackages ?
[02:18] <jelkner> i want to make one for computer science
[02:18] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyPackages
[02:18] <ogra> jelkner, wiki ;)
[02:19] <mhz> jelkner: however please understand that we are at zero age, yet. 
[02:19] <jelkner> ogra: believe it or not, ogra, a search on the wiki came up blank
[02:19] <jelkner> i understand
[02:19] <kjcole> mhz, yeah.  I had a moin up on my Fedora system, but since I JUST switched that to Edubuntu, I haven't set up the moin again... yet. 
[02:19] <mhz> kjcole: i hope you dont use APT for moin ;)
[02:20] <jsgotangco> kjcole: your campus is geared towards disabled people?
[02:20] <jelkner> great idea
[02:20] <kjcole> mhz, Uh-oh.  That sounds ominous.
[02:20] <jsgotangco> or its just a specialization?
[02:20] <mhz> kjcole: you can use moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/SandBok to try the WYSIWYG editor
[02:21] <jelkner> ogra: you gotta a minute?
[02:21] <kjcole> jsgotangco: "Gallaudet is the world's *ONLY* (said with as much snobbiness as possible) accredited liberal arts university for the deaf, in the world!"
[02:21] <mhz> kjcole: I believe that people with special needs should become a strong international effort from IT guys. I have no experience on that area but sure I wanna help
[02:21] <jsgotangco> kjcole: i'm actually looking for a school like that
[02:22] <kjcole> jsgotangco: Why, we're the Harvard of the Deaf, don't you know? ;-)
[02:22] <mhz> what's ally?
[02:22] <ogra> jelkner, if its only a minute, yes
[02:22] <ogra> mhz, accessibility
[02:22] <ogra> its an 11 not ll
[02:23] <kjcole> mhz, accessiblity, as spelled by the spelling-impaired. ;-)
[02:23] <jelkner> ogra: i want to start working on a spec for teaching cs
[02:23] <mhz> ogra: * jdub :No such nick/channel
[02:23] <mhz> * mako :No such nick/channel
[02:23] <jelkner> i just want a name for it
[02:23] <jelkner> i'm thinking of a meta package
[02:23] <mhz> ogra: kjcole: see? I am totally ignorant
[02:23] <ogra> will it be specific for one language ? 
[02:23] <jelkner> that will include programming languages, tools and materials
[02:24] <jelkner> perhaps there should be a seperate one for each language, yes?
[02:24] <jelkner> so i'm looking at python
[02:24] <mhz> jelkner: have you seen MIT's free docs?
[02:24] <jelkner> not lately
[02:24] <jelkner> i know this is a dapper+1 issue, but i want to begin thinking about it now
[02:25] <jelkner> so all i need is a name
[02:25] <jelkner> give me a name and i'll go away happy ;-)
[02:25] <mhz> jelkner: strusberg, from venezuela has something already working, not much, but something. Especally for Python teaching
[02:25] <ogra> its no dapper+1 issue .... you can do it now and get it into universe before feature freeze
[02:25] <jelkner> ogra: from our discussions in montreal, i think you said it really is a dapper+1 issue
[02:26] <jelkner> since the main obsticle is choosing an ide
[02:26] <jelkner> not an easy task at present
[02:26] <mhz> jelkner: actually he even invited me for 3rd Forum on Freedom of Access  but I couldnt afford to get there
[02:26] <ogra> jelkner, but getting something into main is easier if the package was in universe before
[02:26] <kjcole> jelkner, Isn't there a song "I got a name"? 
[02:26] <jelkner> i hope to discuss this with folks at pycon this year
[02:26] <jelkner> you said eclipse was looking like the front runner
[02:26] <ogra> so you could start with a small set of docs and have a package available already now and add content over time
[02:27] <mhz> jelkner: strusberg is going to PyCon
[02:27] <jelkner> good point
[02:27] <kjcole> jelkner, oh right.  Didn't register last night.  gotta do that...
[02:27] <jelkner> kjcole: registration isn't available yet
[02:27] <kjcole> jelkner, that makes it easier. ;-)
[02:27] <jelkner> ok, ogra, i'm convinced i can start now
[02:27] <ogra> jelkner, and note that we already have diveintopython in the default install
[02:27] <jelkner> so what should we call it
[02:28] <ogra> look whats already covered there
[02:28] <jelkner> python-edu?
[02:28] <ogra> py-teaching-docs ?
[02:28] <ogra> python-edu-class ?
[02:28] <kjcole> Are you limiting it to docs?
[02:28] <jelkner> no
[02:28] <jelkner> it should install:
[02:28] <jelkner> an ide
[02:28] <jelkner> pythoncard
[02:28] <jelkner> pygame
[02:28] <jelkner> and docs
[02:28] <kjcole> py-edu-lab.
[02:28] <jelkner> yes
[02:29] <ogra> sounds good
[02:29] <jelkner> only to be consistent: python-edu-lab
[02:29] <mhz> jelkner: but how do you picture the contents will be used by users? which interface?
[02:29] <jelkner> web browser
[02:29] <jelkner> that is easiest by far
[02:29] <kjcole> (or, for more humor, python-edu-kitchen, feeding into all that "py sounds like pie" stuff.)
[02:30] <jelkner> and most accessible
[02:30] <jelkner> so, ogra, what sayeth thou?
[02:30] <jelkner> is it python-edu-lab?
[02:30] <jelkner> or do you want to sleep on it?
[02:30] <kjcole> Lots of noise happening with python embedded into html lately too, (see myghty (sp?))
[02:31] <jelkner> i'm going to create a wiki page, so i need a name
[02:32] <kjcole> PyEduLab.  Stick with it.  Short, sweet, and last but not least *I* thought of it so it must be great.
[02:32] <jsgotangco> should it always start with Py?
[02:33] <mhz> jelkner:  #13. Cuaima [WWW]  MetaInstaller. New tool for managing System Installations.
[02:33] <kjcole> (Or PythonEduLab, too)
[02:33] <mhz> jelkner: http://cuaima.latinux.org/
[02:33] <mhz> Cuaima is a [WWW]  MetaInstaller for GNU/Linux and *BSD Operating Systems that runs on top of a (Python) WebServer to provide local, remote and massive installations of these *NIX flavoured Systems.
[02:33] <kjcole> jsgotangco, depends.  Is one general system going to cover all variants, or are there lots of little ones for each computer language?
[02:34] <mhz> kjcole: I love PythonEduLab
[02:34] <jsgotangco> kjcole: it just sounds so KDE'sh
[02:34] <jelkner> mhz: me too, ogra: does that meet your approval?
[02:34] <ogra> yup
[02:34] <jelkner> cool
[02:34] <mhz> educool!
[02:34] <jelkner> then it is settled
[02:35] <jelkner> ok, i need to take my kids to the movies
[02:35] <jelkner> see you all later...
[02:35] <mhz> jelkner: will PythonEduLab be provided by Moodle?
[02:35] <jelkner> mhz: no PythonEduLab will be a meta package on Edubuntu
[02:35] <mhz> if moodle, then we should cnsider exeLearning project
[02:36] <jelkner> mhz: here is the problem - Python is *almost* ready to be the best teaching tool out there
[02:36] <mhz> jelkner: ok, but then are you thinking of tests taken via same interface?
[02:36] <jelkner> but it isn't totally ready yet
[02:36] <mhz> jelkner: NO problem!
[02:36] <kjcole> jsgotangco, haven't seen enough KDE to pay attention.  (Jeff seemed to be in a hurry for a name, and I just tossed thoughts out that were in the same general direction as the current discussion.)
[02:37] <mhz> jelkner: please do wiki a page on your ideas about PythonEduLab, how you picture it, your expectations, etc
[02:37] <jelkner> kjcole: i needed a name so i know what to call the page
[02:37] <jelkner> mhz: that's what i plan to do
[02:37] <mhz> educool
[02:38] <jelkner> ok, folks, cya later...
[02:38] <mhz> jelkner: so we'll have one effort with two interfaces
[02:38] <JaneW> ok I went made with colours on the meeting notes tables, I think it's a bit too much actually, tell me if it's better without them...
[02:38] <kjcole> jelkner, right. Understood.  I was just saying that the discussion seemed hurried, and PythonEduLab seemed as good as anything else being discussed.
[02:38] <JaneW> I must dahs now will bbiab
[02:38] <kjcole> jelkner, have fun at the movies. 
[02:39] <mhz> jelkner: EdubuntuStudyPackages are .deb's people can install and are meant to be used but default applicartions in Edubuntu
[02:39] <mhz> and PythonEduLab is a whole env.
[02:39] <mhz> no moodle needed!!!
[02:39] <mhz> cool
[02:39] <kjcole> (Personally, I want to see the return of the original Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code, used as a teaching tool...)
[02:40] <mhz> kjcole: and if PythonEduLab succeeds... you'll make me happier because I am starting WikiLearn project in chile
[02:41] <mhz> kjcole: Moin Wiki for contents + a web interface for Tests and self evaluation
[02:41] <kjcole> mhz, And that's my new goal in life: Make mhz happy. ;-)
[02:41] <mhz> kjcole: LOL!!
[02:41] <kjcole> mhz, don't tell your wife.
[02:42] <mhz> kjcole: wikilearn was being thought as a moin + moodle. But it could be thought as 100% python!!!
[02:42] <mhz> :D
[02:42] <mhz> kjcole: impossible to hide from her. i will be too happy
[02:43] <kjcole> mhz, Anyway, I'm going to RUN, get breakfast, and RUN back for a a11y meeting. (by the way, I hadn't seen a11y til today in the ubuntu-meeting, and I asked there what it meant.  I'm only a few lines ahead of you on knowing that term.)
[02:43] <mhz> hehehe
[02:58] <kjcole> Back from the snack bar with seconds to spare!
[03:28] <mhz> ogra: JaneW: a11y about to begin
[07:16] <juliux> ogra, we will buy a printer so we can print edubuntu and other cds/dvds in essen
[08:54] <lucasvo> ogra: what is ldm, is it running on client or on server?
[09:20] <blue-frog> On server, an equivalent to gdm (as far as i know) but faster for clients
[09:21] <blue-frog> less greedy bandwith wise i guess.
[09:34] <lucasvo> blue-frog: do you know if there is any way how to determine which user is logged in on which pc(for e.g. a table with user and ip)?
[09:36] <blue-frog> try in a console    who    to know whos is logged in i think
[09:36] <lucasvo> blue-frog: the problem is I need to know where a user is logged in
[09:37] <blue-frog> sry i don't know for now
[09:40] <blue-frog> hmm tes maybe
[09:40] <blue-frog> yes maybe
[09:40] <blue-frog> from the server log
[09:41] <lucasvo> blue-frog: and where can I find the server log?
[09:41] <blue-frog> am switching on edubuntu to have a look
[09:42] <blue-frog> try /var/log/ldm.log if it exists
[09:44] <blue-frog> no it doesn't
[09:48] <blue-frog> booting a client to have a look...
[09:53] <blue-frog> what do you need to do? you know a name and you want to know where it's logged from or you just want a map of all logged in users?
[09:54] <blue-frog> well in fact doesn't matter, don't know a simpler way but i think u can make a script for that
[09:57] <blue-frog> by the way installing webmin dhcp interface may give you what you want... a table
[10:43] <mhz> ogra: ping
[11:37] <blue-frog> lucasvo, still around?
[11:43] <blue-frog> lucasvo, am going to bed, here is a solution to your problem... am not a bash expert (far from it) so the solution needs tweaking..
[11:44] <blue-frog> lucasvo, cat /var/log/auth.log | grep Accepted | cut -f4 -d:
[11:46] <blue-frog> lucasvo, gives you a list of who logged in succesfully with an IP number, then by checking with the leases you will know the mac address. So if you keep a table of your mac addresses you will know what client is being used by who
[11:49] <Oge_> you may say "grep Acceptde /var/log/auth.log", cat is not necessary
[11:52] <blue-frog> lucasvo, even simpler with Oge_ typing then. Furthermore, if you assign (if realistic) an IP to a macaddress you will see right away what client it is in the webmin dhcp interface or by doing a grep on the dhcp.leases 
[11:55] <blue-frog> lucasvo, no not dhcp.leases, dhcp.conf is where you assign IP to a mac address..