[12:02] <Riddell> looking good
[12:03] <raphink> :)
[12:03] <raphink> I can still work on it I guess ;)
[12:05] <raphink> hop 
[12:05] <raphink> :)
[12:21] <raphink> Riddell: how do you like my page now?
[12:22] <Riddell> raphink: wonderful
[12:22] <raphink> haha
[12:22] <Riddell> raphink: make sure your launchpad account links to it
[12:22] <raphink> oh yeah
[12:22] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/people/raphink
[12:22] <raphink> this is my launchpad account
[12:23] <Riddell> no hackergotchi :(
[12:25] <raphink> yop https://launchpad.net/people/raphink :)
[12:25] <raphink> yeah I had not seen that ;) hehe
[12:25] <Riddell> **  http://wiki.kubuntu.org/  ta da!
[12:26] <raphink> arghhhhhhhhhh
[12:26] <raphink> the wiki won't keep my preferences
[12:26] <raphink> I asked it to use the kubuntu theme, UTC+1, and the french date format
[12:27] <raphink> but it'll get back to the default
[12:27] <raphink> :(
[12:27] <raphink> does it do it with you too Riddell ?
[12:27] <Riddell> dunno, I don't set any preferences
[12:28] <raphink> well how do you use the kubuntu theme ?
[12:28] <Riddell> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should pick it up automatically
[12:28] <raphink> yes
[12:28] <raphink> for the mai npage
[12:28] <raphink> but then as soon as I get to another page
[12:28] <raphink> i get the ubuntu theme again :(
[12:29] <raphink> unless I don't identify
[12:29] <raphink> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Raphink
[12:29] <raphink> :)
[12:29] <raphink> <raphink AT SPAMFREE raphink DOT net> doesn't work with the kubuntu theme
[12:30] <raphink> brb
[12:39] <\sh> raphink: use your real name :)
[12:59] <raphink> \sh_away: how do I do that?
[01:00] <raphink> I do use my real name in the description
[01:00] <raphink> and i'm the only raphink on the internet
[01:02] <raphink> \sh_away: is there a way to redirect pages like in wikipedia ?
[11:45] <raphink> Riddell: are you around?
[12:24] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19908
[12:24] <\sh> can someone with a amd64 reproduce it`
[12:25] <\sh> and it looks like it's also reported upstream: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115339
[12:28] <raphink> \sh: do you know that it's possible to advocate your own packages on REVU ?
[12:28] <\sh> raphink: that shouldn't be possible
[12:28] <raphink> yes
[12:28] <\sh> please file a bug report in revu trac
[12:28] <raphink> I just did it to see if it worked and it does
[12:28] <raphink> where do I file the bug ?
[12:28] <\sh> http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[12:29] <raphink> ok
[12:29] <\sh> thx
[12:32] <raphink> \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/9
[02:56] <freeflying> Riddell:ping
[02:57] <Riddell> freeflying: yo
[02:59] <freeflying> Riddell: I've upload it 
[03:00] <freeflying> Riddell: dose it need anymore work?
[03:01] <Riddell> freeflying: I'll take a look at it
[03:01] <Riddell> freeflying: sometime today, keep reminding me if I don't get back to you
[03:25] <jjesse> Riddell: btw i love the google suggest in konq
[03:25] <Riddell> thank tvo
[03:28] <jjesse> found this for xincludes  http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ModularDoc.html
[06:46] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[06:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: yo
[06:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: how does one add a new line to debian/control?
[06:47] <jpatrick> using '\n' ?
[06:47] <Riddell> jpatrick: with the return key :)
[06:47] <Riddell> fill blank lines with a .
[06:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: dpkg-packge complains
[06:48] <jpatrick> Ah okay
[06:48] <Riddell> look at kdelibs or any package
[06:48] <jpat|away> okay
[07:29] <jpatrick> Riddell: reuploaded
[07:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: URL?
[07:31] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=987
[07:35] <Riddell> ok, poke me if I don't get back to you
[07:35] <jpatrick> Now it's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1013
[07:36] <jpatrick> okay
[07:45] <jpatrick> Is RC1 in Dapper?
[07:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: no, (and it's not going to be)
[07:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: right
[07:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's KDE 3.5 RC I was talking about...
[07:50] <Riddell> yes
[08:03] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[08:05] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[08:06] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: you have admin-rights in the kubuntu.de forum right?
[08:06] <OculusAquilae> Please look at this: http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php?req=thread&id=748
[08:06] <Riddell> jjesse: yes I got it, I'm subscribed to ubuntu-doc now
[08:07] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: "The requested thread does not exist or access was denied."
[08:07] <Riddell> don't know if I do have admin rights on kubuntu.de
[08:07] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: you have to login
[08:08] <OculusAquilae> yes you have the rights to see it, you are admin
[08:16] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hah, he found the 3.5 archive :)
[08:16] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: well the packages there have problems so I guess I should hide it
[08:20] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: so it should be in quarantine ?
[08:21] <OculusAquilae> or do you think its ok to write that this is not ready ?
[08:25] <infowolfe> anybody capable of responding to bug 20000?
[08:27] <infowolfe> \sh, maybe you'd like to? ;-)
[08:27] <\sh> bugzilla?
[08:28] <infowolfe> eh?
[08:29] <jpatrick> \sh: I think he wants http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20000
[08:29] <\sh> well...i'm jumping between malone and bugzilla..
[08:29] <infowolfe> yah, it'd be nice to be able to actually grab the stuff i need to compile stuff on my own ;-)
[08:30] <\sh> oh unmet deps
[08:30] <infowolfe> i'm not sure what malone is
[08:30] <infowolfe> yah, unmet deps
[08:30] <\sh> infowolfe: yes...thats easy
[08:30] <\sh> infowolfe: u just hit the new allocator libstdc++ transition
[08:30] <\sh> infowolfe: wait a few hours or days and everything is fine in dapper again
[08:31] <infowolfe> \sh, um, i hit what?
[08:31] <infowolfe> i didn't even have breezy-backports in my sources.list when i ran into that particular little gem
[08:31] <\sh> a glitch in the matrix :) we're changing from old libstdc++ to new libstdc++ 
[08:31] <\sh> infowolfe: u are using dapper, right?
[08:32] <infowolfe> nope
[08:32] <\sh> aha
[08:32] <infowolfe> breezy, which is supposed to be stable...
[08:32] <\sh> well...
[08:32] <infowolfe> yet... i keep running into things that aren't.
[08:32] <\sh> jpatrick: do u have a running breezy install? 
[08:32] <\sh> grmpf...setting up breezy chroot
[08:33] <infowolfe> and i understand QA's a pain in the ass, and not everything can be fixed immediately, but yah....
[08:33] <jpatrick> \sh: that's his bug
[08:33] <infowolfe> i'll just not bring up the sore subject of breezy svn being at 1.2.0
[08:33] <jpatrick> I'm on Dapper
[08:33] <\sh> infowolfe: well...help us then :)
[08:34] <infowolfe> \sh, i'm not going through your new dev process ;-)
[08:35] <infowolfe> and revu is a pita due to me using gmail primarily (and i'm in the middle of a server move, so i can't use regular email either)
[08:35] <\sh> infowolfe: but u should go through our process :)
[08:35] <infowolfe> \sh, again, too much of a pain in the rear ;-)
[08:36] <infowolfe> if it wasn't, i'd maybe be interested
[08:36] <infowolfe> but i don't even have my little test-build stuff setup yet
[08:36] <\sh> infowolfe: i'm checking your bug in pbuilder login
[08:36] <infowolfe> sweet
[08:37] <\sh> but it takes time..my nc6000 is under full load
[08:38] <\sh> but
[08:38] <\sh> well
[08:38] <\sh> apt-get install kdebase-dev works
[08:38] <infowolfe> yikes.
[08:38] <\sh> 0 upgraded, 162 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:38] <\sh> Need to get 7532kB/69.4MB of archives.
[08:38] <\sh> After unpacking 221MB of additional disk space will be used.
[08:39] <infowolfe> do you have kubuntu-desktop installed on that one?
[08:39] <\sh> it's a clean pbuilder
[08:39] <infowolfe> would you mind attempting kubuntu-desktop and then kdebase-dev?
[08:39] <\sh> so nothing else then -base and build-essential
[08:39] <\sh> sure
[08:39] <infowolfe> kde-devel breaks too :-S
[08:40] <\sh> 332 mb to download
[08:40] <\sh> takes 12min
[08:40] <infowolfe> i've got time ;-)
[08:40] <infowolfe> it's really no rush
[08:40] <infowolfe> i'm really just hoping that this isn't something that only applies to me.
[08:40] <infowolfe> btw, us.archive.ubuntu.com is up to date, right?
[08:42] <\sh> dunno...i use always the master one
[08:42] <infowolfe> which is archive?
[08:43] <\sh> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[08:43] <infowolfe> same one i just updated to.
[08:43] <infowolfe> same issue
[08:43] <\sh> which is the same
[08:47] <infowolfe> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu as source has the same issue... thats same package blocks
[08:55] <\sh> ok..it's installing now the kubuntu-desktop...
[09:01] <jdong> Is dapper's amarok stable?
[09:01] <\sh> jdong: not now
[09:01] <\sh> jdong: i need to rebuild it
[09:01] <jdong> \sh: rebuild, as in the sources are good?
[09:02] <\sh> jdong: yes
[09:02] <\sh> jdong: i hope so...wait after my rebuild
[09:02] <jdong> ack, looks like b-d problems anyway :-/
[09:02] <\sh> e.g.?
[09:02] <jdong> Build-Depends dependency for amarok cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libtunepimp2-dev can satisfy version requirements
[09:04] <jdong> yeah, libtunepimp2 is the only issue
[09:04] <\sh> Riddell: do u think it would a good idea to send amarok-1.3.6 to the buildds via breezy updates? 1.3.1 was buggy anyways :)
[09:04] <\sh> jdong: well..I think about -update
[09:04] <jdong> \sh: can't do that unless something's changed with libtunepimp2....
[09:04] <jdong> or that's sent there too
[09:05] <\sh> jdong: which is a better possibilty and most likely can be discussed with mdz or kamion
[09:05] <jdong> why is that version constraint there?
[09:05] <\sh> jdong: need to check 1.3.1 
[09:05] <\sh> dunno in the moment...
[09:05] <\sh> but 1.3.1 had issues with ipod transfers
[09:06] <jdong> yeah, got a report of that
[09:06] <jdong> then I'll leave it to you guys :)
[09:07] <\sh> jdong: amarok is sometimes a bitch :)
[09:07] <jdong> lol
[09:07] <jdong> don't really use it much....
[09:07] <jdong> iTunes clone, right?
[09:08] <\sh> na...the super duper multimedia music player for kde
[09:08] <\sh> i actually never saw itunes
[09:08] <jdong> looked kinda similar at first glance
[09:09] <jpatrick> jdong: does look like it has an iTunes interface...
[09:12] <\sh> infowolfe: ok.......kubuntu-desktop installed...
[09:13] <\sh> and now for kdebase-dev?
[09:13] <infowolfe> kde*-dev*
[09:13] <infowolfe> kde-devel kdesdk, all of those do the same thing
[09:14] <\sh> infowolfe: apt-get install kdebase-dev 
[09:14] <\sh> 0 upgraded, 72 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:14] <\sh> Need to get 4222kB/18.4MB of archives.
[09:14] <\sh> After unpacking 67.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
[09:14] <jpatrick> :s
[09:14] <infowolfe> erk.
[09:15] <infowolfe> so what do i need to remove in order to have apt figure out why it's breaking?
[09:15] <infowolfe> or are there any other steps i can use to give more debug info?
[09:15] <\sh> infowolfe: apt-get install kdesdk
[09:15] <\sh> 0 upgraded, 90 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:15] <\sh> Need to get 12.6MB/27.1MB of archives.
[09:15] <\sh> After unpacking 93.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[09:16] <\sh> infowolfe: put the stuff on nopaste and show me your whole output
[09:16] <infowolfe> http://rafb.net/paste/results/xtTRjT45.html
[09:16] <jpatrick> infowolfe: do you have KDE 3.5 RC?
[09:17] <infowolfe> kubuntu-desktop is showing 0.55
[09:17] <infowolfe> dpkg --status kdebase Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6
[09:18] <jpatrick> hmmm
[09:18] <infowolfe> should i be using the -rc?
[09:18] <\sh> ah
[09:19] <infowolfe> ah?
[09:19] <\sh> infowolfe: which repositories did u enable?
[09:19] <\sh> main restricted universe multiverse?
[09:19] <\sh> well..should be...kdesdk is in universe
[09:19] <infowolfe> main, restricted, multiverse, univers in breezy + backports
[09:21] <\sh> should work
[09:21] <infowolfe> i agree, it should.
[09:21] <infowolfe> but it's not working...
[09:22] <infowolfe> i _attempted_ to do kde 3.5rc with the repo in the wiki, and then apt-get remove --purge `cat Packages` when i decided it was too unstable for me to mess with.
[09:22] <\sh> this can be a cause
[09:23] <infowolfe> but that shouldn't be making libartsc0-dev require a version that is older than i have currently, afaik.
[09:24] <infowolfe> should i manually rm local Packages + cache?
[09:24] <\sh> can u paste your sources.list first on rafb?
[09:24] <infowolfe> sure
[09:25] <infowolfe> ooh.
[09:25] <infowolfe> 1 sec
[09:26] <infowolfe> http://rafb.net/paste/results/YVPv2J99.html
[09:28] <\sh> what was the issue with the update?
[09:28] <infowolfe> didn't have universe multiverse
[09:28] <infowolfe> now _all_ lines have all 4 repos (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) and issue still exists.
[09:29] <infowolfe> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ExEdi988.html
[09:29] <infowolfe> new one with all lines fixed
[09:29] <\sh> then delete all packages.gz and caches 
[09:29] <\sh> try update again
[09:31] <infowolfe> btw, got a path for me?
[09:31] <infowolfe> i'm new to deb/ubuntu ;-)
[09:32] <infowolfe> nvm
[09:32] <\sh>  /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin
[09:33] <\sh> and /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:34] <infowolfe> killed 'em already
[09:34] <infowolfe> still broken
[09:35] <\sh> still kspy?
[09:37] <infowolfe> it's not kspy broken
[09:37] <infowolfe> libartsc0-dev
[09:37] <infowolfe> and it won't tell me what version of that file it's talking about :-S
[09:38] <infowolfe> ah! apt-cache showpkg ;-)
[09:38] <\sh> apt-cache show libartsc0-dev
[09:39] <infowolfe> http://rafb.net/paste/results/OYunPP63.html
[09:39] <infowolfe> do our versions match?
[09:40] <infowolfe> \sh, will you be here in ~1.5hrs?
[09:41] <infowolfe> gtg, bbl (1.5 hrs or so)
[09:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I've moved the broken kde35 packages
[09:42] <Riddell> \sh: amarok in backports sounds like a great idea
[09:42] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok, nice
[09:42] <\sh> Riddell: not possible because of libtuneimp2-dev...I want to have it via updates
[09:42] <Riddell> \sh: seb said he was packaging libgpod
[09:43] <Riddell> \sh: why isn't it possible?
[09:43] <\sh> Riddell: libtuneimp2-dev is not in breezy?
[09:44] <\sh> we could try to make a nice update package for breezy 
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> bye
[09:45] <\sh> Riddell: because 1.3.1 has issues anyways :)
[09:46] <Riddell> tuneimp2 is replated to tunepimp?
[09:47] <\sh> i think so
[09:47] <Riddell> well backport that too
[09:47] <Riddell> but updates only takes small patches, it don't take new upstream versions
[09:51] <Riddell> woo, c++ transition is go
[10:11] <\sh> i'm missing libqt on the list somehow
[10:19] <Riddell> \sh: it doesn't transition apparantly
[11:19] <\sh> Riddell: are u doing the kde packages?
[11:21] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[11:21] <Riddell> \sh: arts and kdelibs are uploaded so once they're in you can start rebuilding kde universe
[11:21] <\sh> hehe 
[11:22] <Riddell> kdelibs_3.5-rc2-0ubuntu1 is the version if you want to start now
[11:22] <\sh> the nc6000 is burning like hell...4 pbuilder 4 diff. packages
[11:24] <raphink> hehe
[11:24] <raphink> :)
[11:25] <\sh> ah and new xterm
[11:25] <\sh> grmpf
[11:25] <\sh> ok...lets package new xterm
[11:25] <\sh> as 5th package
[11:48] <Tm_T> hmm, is there reason why topics in Ubuntu Forums -> Ubuntu Development -> Development Archives ->  Breezy Badger Development Release are locked ?
[11:49] <Riddell> isn't that ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[11:50] <Tm_T> dunno
[11:50] <Tm_T> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66179
[11:50] <Tm_T> my friend (teprrr, Akregator dev) was complaining about it
[12:03] <Riddell> dunno, you'd have to ask an ubuntuforums person