[12:02] <Flixor-> yes
[12:02] <Flixor-> you can allso fix where programs are on your desktop Knowerrors 
[12:02] <Flixor-> thats what i have 
[12:03] <Flixor-> my mozilla is always on the left side off my screen, and i cant move it 
[12:03] <Flixor-> same for kopete 
[12:03] <Flixor-> this saves me some work to reorder the apps on my desktop 
[12:03] <gupta> Possible to open the run command without the deaktop?
[12:04] <damnhil> 
[12:04] <gupta> Or is there any other standalone app that could open a gui "run program" dialog
[12:04] <damnhil> gupta: Alt-F2
[12:05] <gupta> Without running the desktop!
[12:05] <Knowerrors> Flixor-: you ever use SimpleKDE, looks like interesting project
[12:06] <gupta> the standard "run dialog" is part of the desktop process. I am looking for a standalone app
[12:06] <Flixor-> to be honst Knowerrors i never heard of simpleKde 
[12:06] <Flixor-> but i well do a search on it
[12:07] <Knowerrors> it supposedly has better performance and less clutter, still supports kde apps
[12:07] <Knowerrors> I haven't used it yet since Im on dialup and would take too long to download and build the debs
[12:07] <Lightcycler_> isn't that just like using some other desktop with KDE apps, Knowerrors?
[12:08] <Knowerrors> not really, this is more integrated approach, its like kde, just lighter
[12:08] <Lightcycler_> or does it actually look like KDE
[12:08] <Knowerrors> looks like kde, is based on kde libs and such
[12:09] <Knowerrors> http://www.simplekde.org/
[12:09] <Knowerrors> it may run for you where kde doesn't, don't know for sure
[12:12] <ubuntu> hi 2 all
[12:12] <Knowerrors> Flixor-: is there a way to assign mouse button combos for global shortcuts?
[12:12] <Flixor-> ehm well to be honst Knowerrors, i like my kde at the moment, it runs good and fast on this pentium 3 600 mhz 
[12:12] <Flixor-> but i could give it a try 
[12:12] <neoncode> How do you restart the xserver so it will reload /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:13] <Knowerrors> impressive, you slim it down alot eh, Im running a 1.8G Athlon with 512ddr, but Id like it even faster
[12:13] <slow-motion> n8
[12:15] <Flixor-> ehm to answer your question 
[12:15] <Flixor-> you can set shortcuts
[12:15] <Flixor-> in the kcontrol nenu
[12:16] <arthurb> Hi... does kubuntu disables the different konqueror profiles ( midnight commander etc ) or what  ?
[12:16] <arthurb> konq doesn't have a "window" menu and it's impossible to load  a profile
[12:17] <Flixor-> run kcontrol and go to hotkeys its under the kde-compnents 
[12:17] <raingrove> i love KDE 3.5:)
[12:18] <Flixor-> arthurb, take a look at this page http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[12:18] <Flixor-> there is a little howto to get the default profiles back in konqueror instead of the one shipped with kubuntu
[12:19] <Knowerrors> Flixor-: you mean Khotkeys?  I can capture mouse gestures there but can't figure out mouse button combos
[12:20] <arthurb> Flixor-: ur I  launched the two commands but nothing changed
[12:20] <arthurb> to I have to restartkde ?
[12:21] <Flixor-> ehm go to options, ehm dont know the tab name in englisch 
[12:21] <Flixor-> the name where you can load different profiles
[12:21] <Flixor-> it should be there now 
[12:21] <Flixor-> the option 
[12:21] <arthurb> killed the konq in memory
[12:21] <arthurb> works, thanx !
[12:21] <Flixor-> np 
[12:23] <Flixor-> ehm Knowerrors, 
[12:25] <Flixor-> i dont know your solution yet 
[12:25] <Flixor-> maybe somebody else know's 
[12:25] <Flixor-> i am allso new to kubuntu and linux, lol
[12:26] <Knowerrors> hehe, lol, I been using linux for bout 6months, kubuntu 1month
[12:26] <Riddell> arthurb: see kubuntu.org/faq.php for how to revert to the normal konqueror profile
[12:26] <flixor-back-in-2> well i think this is my third week 
[12:26] <flixor-back-in-2> orso 
[12:26] <Riddell> announcing... http://wiki.kubuntu.org/
[12:27] <arthurb> Riddell: yep yep I did, thx
[12:28] <neoncode> How do you get 2D and 3D excelliration working properly.... every game runs VERY slow and under windows my grapics card could easly support what i'm trying to run.
[12:28] <arthurb> what does glxinfo says ?
[12:28] <flixor-back-in-2> neoncode, what kind of card do you have 
[12:28] <Drakeson> I WANT INKSCAPE 0.43
[12:28] <neoncode> flixor-back-in-2: ATi Radeon 9600 with 256 MB RAM
[12:29] <Drakeson> I have just noticed inkscape 0.43 is released yesterday
[12:29] <flixor-back-in-2> did you install the proper drivers for your card
[12:30] <crimsun> Drakeson: it's not in Sid yet, be patient.
[12:30] <neoncode> flixor-back-in-2: i'm useing the "radeon" drivers in my xorg.conf, I have a dual head setup so I need a driver that can support that.
[12:30] <Drakeson> crimsun: for now I'll try the source code. hope that arrives in the repos soon
[12:31] <arthurb> neoncode: try using ati's fglrx driver
[12:31] <arthurb> look for fglrx on google will give you a ton of tutorials
[12:31] <neoncode> arthurb: Does that support Dual head setups?
[12:31] <arthurb> yes
[12:31] <arthurb> it's a proprietary driver though
[12:32] <neoncode> arthurb: before when i tryed that driver my current dual head did not work
[12:32] <arthurb> it should
[12:32] <arthurb> fglrxconfig allows you to set up a dual head
[12:32] <neoncode> ok, how do I restart the Xserver after i change my xorg.conf?
[12:32] <arthurb> with various configuration ( different X server, xinerama etc )
[12:33] <arthurb> Ctrl + Alt + Backspace is the ugly way
[12:33] <arthurb> you can also log off kde and in kdm press Alt + E
[12:33] <neoncode> arthurb: ok
[12:34] <regeya> aaargh
[12:35] <neoncode> i'll be back in a minute then... 
[12:35] <regeya> hey, I typed the last two lines in the wrong channel.  apologies, everyone.
[12:39] <Fillado> what version is the new kernel?
[12:39] <kkathman> Fillado: 2.6.12-10
[12:40] <Fillado> hmm
[12:40] <Fillado> still seem to be stuck with -10 after an apt-get
[12:40] <Fillado> *-9
[12:40] <kkathman> -10 is the update
[12:41] <Fillado> it does say linux-image-i386 has been held back when i run apt
[12:46] <neoncode> arthurb: back, nope this is terrible, dual-head is not working, on monitor simply clones the other and things are not refreshing quite right
[12:48] <neoncode> and games run even slower
[12:48] <neoncode> brb
[12:54] <_neoncode> How do you change your name in IRC?
[12:55] <crimsun> /nick newnick
[12:55] <myk3> hey
[12:55] <myk3> has anyone used the beta kopete?
[12:56] <myk3>  i wanted to tell everyone i have sucsesfully converted 2 people to linux this week
[12:56] <_neoncode> aww crap, i did'ent log off my username when I killed X. the server still thinks i'm logged on...
[12:56] <_neoncode> naff
[12:58] <pest> Hey everyone
[12:58] <nalioth> neoncode: /msg nickserv help ghost
[01:07] <kazu> hello, i have a question, according to the people actually using the kde 35 is it ok now or a lot of bugs are remaining ?
[01:08] <raphink> kazu: it's ok by me but don't install it if you can't manage your system alone
[01:09] <kazu> ok thks 
[01:09] <nalioth> kazu: it is called "release ""candidate""" for a reason
[01:10] <kazu> yes i know that ;) 
[01:18] <Drakeson> I know almost nothing about dpkg tools. all I need is a hint. do they provide a way to install the needed dependencies when "configure&make"ing a package from source?
[01:19] <Fillado> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpkg
[01:20] <raphink> Drakeson: you can use `apt-get build-deps $yourpackage'
[01:20] <bimberi> Drakeson: apt-get build-dep <package>    <- might be what you're looking for
[01:20] <raphink> to install the building dependencies for a package
[01:20] <raphink> bimberi: ;)
[01:20] <bimberi> raphink: ;)
[01:20] <raphink> Drakeson: you might even be interested in the following : 
[01:20] <raphink> 1) apt-get build-dep $package
[01:21] <raphink> 2) apt-get --build source $package  <----- downloads the source package and builds it
[01:21] <Niomi> woohoo! look, ma, no GUI!!
[01:21] <raphink> 3) dpkg -i $package_$version_$arch.deb  <------- installs the built package
[01:21] <raphink> lol
[01:22] <Niomi> i'm on irssi! i'm using a computer with no pictures! it's like reading a chapter book for the first time
[01:22] <robotgeek> Niomi: wait till you get screen :)
[01:22] <raphink> hmm... good for you :)
[01:22] <raphink> haha
[01:23] <raphink> ;)
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Niomi: LOL why do you have no gui?
[01:23] <raphink> Hobbsee: because he wants to feel like a geek ;)
[01:24] <bimberi> Drakeson: alternatively, if you do have to do the configure&make dance, use checkinstall instead of any "make install" step - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[01:24] <Hobbsee> she
[01:24] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:24] <Niomi> Hobbsee: my computer bends to my willpower and keyboard!! nyaah!!
[01:24] <raphink> she, sorry
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Niomi: hehe
[01:24] <nalioth> Niomi: did you choose the console looks?
[01:25] <Drakeson> raphink: the package I am trying is inkscape 0.43 which is not in the repos yet, so I think I need to configure&make, or am I wrong?
[01:25] <Niomi> nalioth: i have transparentcy set on gnome terminal, but i'm not in X right now
[01:25] <Niomi> nalioth: i can't spell at all, i'm sorry
[01:26] <raphink> hmm let's see
[01:26] <raphink> 0.43 is not even in dapper Drakeson 
[01:26] <raphink> there's 0.43pre2
[01:26] <nalioth> Niomi: you rock
[01:27] <raphink> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/graphics/inkscape
[01:27] <Drakeson> raphink: yes, but I need it so let me suffer the manual build process until it is there
[01:28] <Niomi> nalioth: thank you XD ooh, no one can tell what i'm doing because it's all in text. sure i'm working!! haha
[01:28] <raphink> sure if you want
[01:28] <raphink> debian unstable also has 0.42+0.43pre2
[01:28] <raphink> so not even a sync possible ;)
[01:28] <crimsun> I just said that about an hour ago.
[01:29] <raphink> crimsun: said what?
[01:29] <Drakeson> raphink: I guess a few (or even more) kde-artists people would need it fast
[01:29] <crimsun> that we can't sync from Debian
[01:29] <raphink> haha
[01:29] <raphink> Drakeson: then package it for dapper ;)
[01:30] <raphink> maybe an uupdate on the current package would do it
[01:30] <Niomi> i wonder if i could save laptop batteries by working exclusively on CLI.
[01:30] <Drakeson> I really would if I had the debian tools knowledge
[01:30] <mgorbach> Can osmeone please explain to me how to get WPA working for a centrino laptop?
[01:30] <mgorbach> i only have the option of using WEP
[01:30] <raphink> good opportunity to learn Drakeson ;)
[01:30] <crimsun> mgorbach: install the 'wpasupplicant' package from universe.
[01:34] <sampan> how can i change the default applications in firefox?  i've changed in the dialog boxes that .wmv files should open with mplayer, but it -still- brings up totem as default
[01:34] <Niomi> sampan: you might wanna change your KDE defaults?
[01:35] <sampan> in edit -- > preferences --> downloads it even lists ".wmv" open with gmplayer 
[01:35] <sampan> niomi, where do i do that?  i changed the konq file association (moved mplayer up)
[01:35] <sampan> but that didn't help either -- and i can't find "mime types" in system settings ... :/
[01:35] <djk_> can anyone recommend a program to create torrents?
[01:36] <mgorbach> crimsun: how do i use it?
[01:36] <mgorbach> where do enter the key?
[01:36] <mgorbach> where do enter the key?
[01:36] <crimsun> well uh
[01:36] <Niomi> djk_: i believe azureus creatures torrents
[01:36] <crimsun> thanks for sticking around
[01:37] <mgorbach> crimsun: how do i get it to work?
[01:37] <mgorbach> where do i enter the key?
[01:37] <crimsun> you need to edit 2 files, /etc/default/wpasupplicant and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[01:37] <mgorbach> ok ... what do i need to do?
[01:37] <djk_> Niomi: yea it does, but I'm having problems with azureus on breezy for whatever reason.
[01:38] <crimsun> mgorbach: your /etc/default/wpasupplicant needs the following line: OPTIONS="-i eth1 -D ipw -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -w"
[01:38] <crimsun> mgorbach: and of course you need to create the appropriate network stanza in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[01:38] <crimsun> mgorbach: of course you'd need to replace eth1 with whatever interface it is
[01:39] <mgorbach> crimsun: how do i add the network stanza?
[01:40] <crimsun> mgorbach: you type it in using an editor.
[01:40] <mgorbach> i mean what to add
[01:40] <crimsun> whatever swarthmore uses
[01:41] <mgorbach> do i need to add a essid/wpa key pair for each network?
[01:41] <crimsun> it's network-dependent
[01:41] <crimsun> mgorbach: yes, that's wise
[01:41] <Niomi> djk_: can't help you then :/ sorry
[01:41] <Niomi> wow. i have just discovered the 'which' command.
[01:42] <jubei> Hello, after upgrading to breezy I find that holding the ctrl key in the konqueror file manager doesnt have the same affect as it used to. Does anyone know why this is or how I can fix it?
[01:42] <mgorbach> what is wpa_cli?
[01:43] <crimsun> mgorbach: it's a command line interface for manipulating the supplicant
[01:43] <mgorbach> do i need to use it?
[01:43] <crimsun> no
[01:43] <crimsun> just use an editor
[01:43] <Niomi> jubei: i have heard of that problem, i think it was nalioth who had to downgrade konqueror
[01:43] <mgorbach> theres no man pagte or examples for syntax of wpa_supplicant..conf
[01:44] <jubei> ic =(
[01:44] <mgorbach> what is key_mgmt=?
[01:44] <crimsun> mgorbach: only put what's necessary
[01:44] <crimsun> mgorbach: the docs are in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/
[01:45] <crimsun> in other words, you need ssid and psk
[01:45] <crimsun> you shouldn't need anything eles
[01:45] <crimsun> else^
[01:46] <jubei> Niomi: how do i go about downgrading an app is it difficult and does it cause any problems?
[01:46] <jubei> djk_: thanks for the info, i'm not registered so I cant pm
[01:46] <djk_> jubei: no problem.
[01:47] <Niomi> jubei: i have no idea. at least you have a better question, ask a guru how you can downgrade konqueror. sorry >_<
[01:47] <mgorbach> hmm ok ... now how do i get kde to work with wpasupplicant?
[01:48] <jubei> Niomi: ok fanks
[01:49] <Niomi> is there a more efficient CLI browser than lynx? i'd like hit-a-hint style navigation
[01:49] <crimsun> w3m, elinks, ...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Niomi: if you find one, i'd love to know about it
[01:52] <Delvien> Anyone here know about aticonfig --set-powerstate ??
[01:56] <Niomi> what do you do if the text scrolls by too fast for you to read it all? foo | more didn't work :/
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Niomi: the up key?
[01:58] <jubei> Niomi: ive seen that problem too have u tried using the less command?
[02:00] <nalioth> Niomi: meta-p and meta-n
[02:00] <Niomi> ... elinks rocks my socks XD
[02:01] <Niomi> what is meta?
[02:01] <jubei> hello nalioth: I hear you downgraded konqueror =) i wish to do the same
[02:02] <jubei> My control key no longer does what its supposed to when i'm file managing. Could you help me fix it nalioth?
[02:02] <nalioth> jubei: hang on a minute, i need to gather some info
[02:03] <jubei> sure
[02:03] <neoncode> horray! For anyone who was on when I was saying about my lack of 3d accelaration before. I ran fglrxconfig and now it works! yay!
[02:04] <nalioth> jubei: visit here and grab your version from the bottom of the page. http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/konqueror
[02:06] <jubei> nalioth: ok done
[02:08] <nalioth> jubei: now open a konsole to where you d/l the file to
[02:08] <jubei> done
[02:09] <Drakeson> jubei: what is the problem with Ctrl key?
[02:10] <jubei> it doesnt do what it is supposed to in konq 
[02:10] <nalioth> jubei: now "sudo dpkg -i install konquer<tab>" <enter>
[02:10] <Drakeson> for me it just doesn't _show_ what is selected, if you hold Ctrl, 
[02:10] <jubei> but the items are still selected?
[02:10] <Drakeson> navigate using arrow keys, press space, another item would be selected
[02:11] <Drakeson> yep
[02:11] <jubei> i dont think i use any other features in the new konq anyway
[02:11] <roy> hey, my kopete crashes everytime i try sending a message, as soon as I type the first letter, I get an error message and it shuts down
[02:11] <Drakeson> ;)
[02:12] <Fillado> roy - you could try gaim
[02:13] <nalioth> Drakeson: mine did that too, but i use the ctrl-key
[02:13] <ClayG> nalioth, still helping people I see
[02:13] <roy> Fillado: thats my alternative....but it's so ugly looking lol
[02:14] <ClayG> How about tossing the one boy ClayG a bone?  Whats a good download manager that understands some sites require name and password?
[02:14] <jubei> thanks nalioth there were errors regarding dependancies, will this cause any trouble?
[02:14] <reagleBRKLN> trying to create an image in k3b but when i hit burn it says: glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb7dd9620
[02:14] <reagleBRKLN> no idea what that means
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ClayG: IIRC wget will - try man wget
[02:14] <nalioth> jubei: did it install?
[02:14] <ClayG> wget is all cli right?
[02:14] <Drakeson> nalioth: so, what is the real problem, is it because of a new feature in a rc file or it is a bug?
[02:14] <nalioth> ClayG: i've been here helping people over a year now
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ClayG: yes
[02:15] <ClayG> Ahh Hobbsee! another good helper
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:15] <nalioth> Drakeson: not sure, i built 3.4.3 from source and it still did it
[02:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:15] <jubei> nalioth: yep its runnin ok, or so it would seem
[02:15] <ClayG> Well the problem with command line, besides me being a gui freak is that when i want to download a 700 meg bin split into 50 .rars i dont want to type in 50 url's!
[02:15] <nalioth> jubei: open adept now, and search for "konqueror"
[02:15] <ClayG> I rather goto the page where they are listed, hit flashgot all and have flashgot trigger a good d/l manager
[02:16] <Hobbsee> nalioth: tell ClayG about wget, and all the complex stuff...
[02:16] <nalioth> jubei: i'm not sure, but i think you can "pin" it using adept, so it doest upgrade every time you do
[02:16] <ClayG> right now trying kget and d4x
[02:16] <ClayG> We need flashGET for nix
[02:16] <jubei> nalioth: is that the replacement for kynaptic?
[02:16] <nalioth> ClayG: blah. use prozilla on Very Large Files
[02:16] <Drakeson> nalioth: my wild guess: it is a bad rc file. we may study rc files to see what's the problem
[02:16] <ClayG> peozilla?
[02:16] <ClayG> is that a plugin?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ClayG: prozilla
[02:16] <ClayG> these are large files but mostly 15 or 50 meg .rar files
[02:16] <Drakeson> jubei: adept?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ClayG: no, compile it
[02:17] <Hobbsee> it's not that hard...
[02:17] <ClayG> Not as hard as k9copy?
[02:17] <ClayG> lol
[02:17] <jubei> Drakeson: yeh
[02:17] <Drakeson> yep, it is
[02:17] <Hobbsee> never tried k9copy, but i could do prozilla
[02:17] <nalioth> jubei: are you using breezy?
[02:17] <ClayG> but to be fair k9copy "aint no joke"
[02:17] <Drakeson> though not fully mature now
[02:17] <jubei> nalioth: yep
[02:17] <ClayG> to put it in laymens terms, very very impressed
[02:17] <nalioth> !adept
[02:17] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[02:18] <Hobbsee> ClayG: find the site and have a look at the instructions :)
[02:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm...no bot command for it
[02:19] <nalioth> ClayG: join #kubuntu-offtopic for compiling help, if you need any
[02:19] <roy> I'm trying to install something written in perl from source, it's based on a module which adept's latest version is 0.15-2, but I need 0.16, i tried searching online and found 0.17 but then that would be from source and I'm uinsure how to compile it, any suggestions? (the program to be compiled it HoTT Proxy (hottproxy.org) the perl module is HTTP::Proxy, maybe someone can help me out or even makake a debian installer for me?
[02:20] <jubei> nalioth: I dont mind switching which manager I use, is adept the go? it says konqueror is "broken (upgradable)"
[02:21] <peek> io
[02:21] <nalioth> Hobbsee: do you know adept well?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> nalioth: mmm....perhaps
[02:21] <Hobbsee> used it before, yes
[02:21] <nalioth> Hobbsee: can you help jubei pin his konq with adept?
[02:23] <mgorbach_> can anyone explain to me how to install kde3.5 rc1?
[02:23] <jubei> =)
[02:23] <nalioth> !kde3.5
[02:23] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[02:23] <peek> mgorbach se website
[02:23] <levi> is that 3.5 official?
[02:23] <nalioth> nope. it is not
[02:23] <Hobbsee> official?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> well, it's from the kubuntu site, but it's not in main repositories yet
[02:24] <levi> not beta
[02:24] <Hobbsee> so i guess that depends on your definition of official
[02:24] <levi> hehe
[02:24] <Hobbsee> it's an RC
[02:24] <peek> anyone uses kxdocker?
[02:24] <levi> no bugs?
[02:24] <levi> i want to
[02:24] <nalioth> levi: what part of "release candidate" says "run on your production machines"
[02:24] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[02:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[02:24] <Hobbsee> levi: take a look at them, and see if you are willing to run that risk
[02:24] <kkathman> RC - meaning not as broken as the current new kernal, but not as stable as your current install :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25] <Hobbsee> 3.4.3 i never found terribly stable anywya
[02:25] <levi> yeah me too
[02:25] <kkathman> gee I never had any probs
[02:25] <kkathman> and I REALLY exercise it
[02:25] <mgorbach_> how do i apt-get it?
[02:25] <peek> kubuntu has kxdocker 0.35 why not upgrade to the last 0.39?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> jubei: i'd say that you'd have to pin it with aptitude or apt-get - i cant see an option in adept to do it
[02:26] <endo602> is 3.5 worth the install?
[02:26] <peek> absolutelly
[02:26] <jubei> Hobbsee: what ever way you can show me is fine. I dont know what pinning is =)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> endo602: it's one of the first things i upgrade
[02:27] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jubei about pinning
[02:27] <mgorbach_> anyone?
[02:27] <nalioth> jubei: that is the hardcore way, we're going for 'easy'
[02:27] <mgorbach_> iv added the packages but i dont know how to apt-get
[02:27] <Hobbsee> mgorbach_: sudo apt-get install packagenames
[02:27] <mgorbach_> what packages? isnt there one big one?
[02:27] <mgorbach_> or can i do an upgrade?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> !pinning
[02:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, pinning is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto
[02:28] <kkathman> nah thats not a good reference Hobbsee
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mgorbach_:do a sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade first
[02:28] <nalioth> kkathman: you already have a pinning problem
[02:28] <kkathman> thats if you want to run a "mixed system"
[02:29] <Hobbsee> then sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[02:29] <mgorbach_> why first?
[02:29] <kkathman> nalioth:  I know...and was told that link was NOT the solution!
[02:29] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i dont know how to do it thru adept, i know there was talk of downgrading arts for kde 3.5 beta2
[02:29] <kkathman> totally different situation
[02:29] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure how it was done
[02:29] <kkathman> yah
[02:29] <Hobbsee> mgorbach_: to get all the updates that you dont have already :)
[02:30] <kkathman> best you can do in adept, is know which package, and just click "keep" when it tells you to upgrade it
[02:30] <nalioth> jubei: which package mangler do you prefer? kynaptic or adept?
[02:30] <peek> dpkg
[02:30] <peek> =D
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:30] <kkathman> ding!
[02:30] <LjL> aptitude
[02:30] <kkathman> no
[02:31] <nalioth> jubei: did you see what kkathman said about "keep"  ?
[02:31] <kkathman> aptitude=guarantee to mess up upgrades
[02:31] <LjL> says you
[02:31] <jubei> nalioth: nope missed it...
[02:31] <kkathman> LjL: I refer you to the many bugs
[02:31] <nalioth> jubei: read up a few lines
[02:32] <jubei> nalioth: ive been using kynaptic. Seems fine. Never tried adept, first impression seems slower to search
[02:32] <garux> this may be a newbie statement but is synaptic handling rpm files?
[02:32] <garux> question even.
[02:32] <nalioth> jubei: let me look a minute (i do all my stuff at the command line)
[02:32] <kkathman> garux:  no
[02:33] <kkathman> rpms are for fedora/redhat
[02:33] <garux> ok. i did think that.
[02:33] <kkathman> you can use alien, but its iffy
[02:33] <garux> shame... yum extender is a good app.
[02:33] <kkathman> yes it is
[02:33] <garux> made the process easier for me
[02:33] <_levi> will it mess with your current theme?
[02:33] <_levi> 3.5 that is
[02:34] <garux> Kyum is actually better because it displays the actual commands the gui is sending
[02:34] <Hobbsee> _levi: shouldnt do
[02:34] <jubei> nalioth: I see why we need to do somethin about it now, it tries to upgrade konq every time i install anythin else
[02:34] <jubei> nalioth: i dont mind the cmd line, i'm a comp sci student =)
[02:35] <nalioth> jubei: there is a bug in libapt that doesnt like /ect/apt/preferences
[02:35] <kkathman> jubei: yes, with adept you just have to remember what package it is, and then click "keep" when it prompts to update
[02:35] <kkathman> nalioth: exactly correct and why that "pinning" thing doesnt work, unfortunately
[02:36] <garux> ok so my totally and im sure often repeated newbie question.
[02:36] <garux> and yes i have read teh wiki faq
[02:36] <nalioth> kkathman: it USED to work
[02:36] <kkathman> by the way, nalioth, you are right, it USED to work ... up until just recently in fact...just like this kernal release, someone is messing up very badly 
[02:36] <garux> im opening an application in Kubuntu that i dont know the actual name of, but i need to KDESU to use it, and im a bit lost in how to do that.
[02:37] <kkathman> garux: alt-f2 and then type kdesu a<application>
[02:37] <kkathman> oops kdesu <application> I mena
[02:37] <garux> i dont know the name of the app is my point.
[02:37] <sampan> garux, is the app on your kmenu somewhere?
[02:38] <garux> yes
[02:38] <kkathman> garux: what might you be trying to run then?
[02:38] <garux> im trying to add packages to my install
[02:38] <sampan> you can open your menu editor (right click the kmenu icon) and find it on the menu and see the app name :)
[02:38] <sampan> or rather, see the command the kmenu uses to open the item/app
[02:39] <garux> adept 
[02:39] <Hobbsee> garux: so go alt+f2, kdesu adept
[02:39] <sampan> kdesu adept should work 
[02:39] <kkathman> hehe
[02:39] <jubei> nalioth: it wont let me select keep from the menu, is this cause its "broken" ?
[02:39] <kkathman> jubei: you'll only be able to do that when you actually update
[02:40] <jubei> kkathman: when i commit changes?
[02:40] <garux> and i get a conversation with su faile
[02:40] <garux> failed
[02:41] <kkathman> jubei: before you commit yes
[02:41] <garux> which is the part where i get lost
[02:41] <jubei> kkathman: i click right mouse button on konqueror and "keep packages" is greyed out
[02:41] <sampan> garux, i've had that problem -- i got it fixed once, and then it returned (i think in a huge mess due to an update and broken packages) ... i finally had to resort to a completely fresh install
[02:42] <garux> this is a fresh install
[02:42] <sampan> :(
[02:42] <garux> ive only just logged intot he machine
[02:42] <nalioth> jubei: hang on, i'm investigating
[02:42] <garux> i can su and sudo from a command line
[02:42] <sampan> hrmmm -- if you can update then i think the kubuntu updates will fix it
[02:42] <garux> just not with gui apps
[02:42] <jubei> Hmm i'm using the new version of konqueror now and ctrl+click is working
[02:43] <kkathman> lol you updated konq just for the ctrl click?
[02:43] <sampan> garux, yeah, then try updating -- there was a bug in the original release that affected some people with admin mode (kcontrol etc.) and gui su/kdesu stuff (like clock etc.)
[02:43] <Niomi> how do you kill a process via CLI?
[02:43] <kkathman> Niomi kill
[02:43] <sampan> niomi, kill process.number.here
[02:43] <LjL> or killall
[02:43] <nalioth> jubei: i'm afraid you're stuck with either using synaptic and pinning it with synaptic or singling it out to not be upgraded
[02:43] <LjL> man both
[02:44] <pc22> how do i install PlaneShift_CBV0.3.011.linux.x86-2.run im new to linux. it is looking for dialog program to be installed
[02:44] <fosorio> hi... I just installed kubuntu.. I want to access my ntfs partitions, but I can't do it via konqueror. I can access them via the command line as a root, however.
[02:44] <kkathman> Niomi: do a ps -aux to get the pid
[02:44] <jubei> nalioth: thanks for your help i'm using the new version of konqueror now and ctrl+click is working now. Is that why you downgraded?
[02:45] <Drakeson> Niomi: I use this to kill e.g. artsd: kill -9 `ps -a | grep artsd | awk '{print $2}'`
[02:45] <nalioth> jubei: yes it is
[02:45] <jubei> nalioth: interesting it wasnt working before I downgraded then upgraded again and now it is
[02:46] <kkathman> jubei:  you could have done the ctrl-click without a different Konq
[02:46] <LjL> Drakeson: you're crazy, no offence meant :)
[02:46] <jubei> how kkathman ?
[02:46] <kkathman> well it kinda doesnt matter now
[02:46] <nalioth> jubei: really?
[02:46] <kkathman> jubei:  but you set your mouse to double click instead of single click...that automatically makes the ctrl-click work
[02:47] <jubei> nalioth: yeah its working now
[02:47] <jubei> kkathman: ic, in konq options?
[02:48] <Niomi> Drakeson: woa that went way over my head
[02:48] <Niomi> kkathman: i did a ps -aux and i appeared to get the PID but the process is still in the terminal :/
[02:49] <kkathman> Niomi??
[02:49] <Drakeson> Niomi: did you "kill <process ID here>" ?
[02:49] <kkathman> right
[02:49] <garux> so kathman. remember when i was in earlier and i was explaining why i edited my sudoers file?
[02:49] <kkathman> garux: sorry I didnt see that
[02:49] <kkathman> but yah
[02:49] <jubei> I have another gripe with breezy, he stole my windows key. I cant use winkey+c to pause amarok any more
[02:50] <garux> i was in here earlier today.
[02:50] <kkathman> ok
[02:50] <garux> and you yelled at me for editing my sudoer file and thus locking myself out of the system
[02:50] <kkathman> brb
[02:50] <garux> its because i can get su and sudo in a terminal but not for any of the gui apps
[02:50] <garux> now if this problem is in the wiki, ill go have a look.
[02:51] <ClayG> when trying to ./configure the gaim extended pref's I get this error
[02:51] <ClayG> Package gaim was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gaim.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[02:51] <ClayG> any ideas where PKG_CONFIG_PATH is located?
[02:51] <Niomi> Drakeson: yes!
[02:51] <nalioth> ClayG: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim
[02:52] <ClayG> Reading package lists... Done
[02:52] <ClayG> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:52] <ClayG> E: Couldn't find package build-dep
[02:52] <ClayG> and that is with aim
[02:52] <ClayG> er, with gaim on the end I mean
[02:52] <jubei> NO! my ctrl-click ability just disappeard!
[02:53] <nalioth> ClayG: no. "sudo apt-get build-dep gaim"
[02:53] <robotgeek> ClayG: you basically need sudo apt-get install gaim-dev
[02:54] <ClayG> thanks
[02:54] <_levi> how can i permanently change something in xmodmap?
[02:54] <nalioth> ClayG: learning these commands will be quite helpful for you
[02:54] <Drakeson> Niomi: did you try to be a little bit un-polite to the process (use kill -9 PID)
[02:55] <ClayG> the build-dep did not work
[02:55] <ClayG> gaim-dev did, I'm snagged on ./INSTALL
[02:55] <ClayG> lemme pull up a pastebin/serv
[02:56] <Niomi> Drakeson: the process no longer shows in ps -aux but it is still consuming the terminal
[02:56] <Phoul> Hello people
[02:57] <Phoul> Is there anywhere where i can download thememanager themes with a ubuntu style?
[02:58] <Phoul> ?...
[02:58] <garux> hello robot
[02:58] <Phoul> huh?
[02:59] <robotgeek> garux: hey
[02:59] <Phoul> Ohh ><
[02:59] <Phoul> Is there anywhere?
[02:59] <garux> so, im even further lost.
[02:59] <garux> im having an issue with kdesu
[02:59] <Phoul> Will anyone help me out *Please*
[02:59] <levi> is there anyway to permanently change xmodmap?
[03:00] <garux> so i cant even update packages to turn on both the prism and wdis wrapper
[03:00] <garux> im going through the wiki to see if i can find it, rather than bother you guys
[03:00] <Phoul> Can somone help me?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Phoul: kde-look.org?
[03:01] <Phoul> I looked there and i couldnt find any
[03:01] <garux> there are a few links via the ubuntu.org site
[03:01] <garux> some references to artwork
[03:01] <Phoul> I need a theme
[03:01] <garux> i dont know if thats what you are looking for
[03:02] <Phoul> Like a theme manager theme
[03:02] <garux> but i noticed it in reading through last night
[03:02] <Hobbsee> kde-themes.org?
[03:02] <Phoul> That dont even exist
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:03] <Hobbsee> couldnt remember if it did or not - knew there was a kde-look and a kde-apps
[03:03] <Phoul> uhh okay
[03:03] <garux> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork
[03:03] <garux> try that has some links in there
[03:04] <garux> or here - http://art.ubuntu.com/
[03:04] <Phoul> Are there thememanager themes?
[03:04] <garux> and all the various kde sites are linked on kde.org on the lower left menu.
[03:05] <garux> i dont know phoul, you will have to go through and read
[03:05] <ClayG> After trying to install the gaim extended pref's I get this error   http://rafb.net/paste/results/27l2dm82.html
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Phoul: for the kmenu button only, it's in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps
[03:05] <ClayG> There are 4 things there (just to keep it nice and dirty!) to look at
[03:05] <ClayG> 1-120 : ./configure      
[03:05] <ClayG> 121-132 : make 
[03:05] <ClayG> 133-147 : make install
[03:05] <ClayG> 148-160 : ./INSTALL
[03:05] <ClayG> dont want anyone to burn their eyes out
[03:06] <Phoul> Umm
[03:06] <Phoul> Okay how do i change the button
[03:06] <Phoul> I see the button in /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps
[03:06] <Phoul> But what do i do now?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> find the picture that you want to replace it, name it kmenu.png
[03:07] <Hobbsee> then "sudo cp /path/to/kmenu.png /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps"
[03:08] <Phoul> well i have the file
[03:08] <Phoul> But i think its to big...
[03:08] <nalioth> ClayG: holy cow what are you running?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Phoul: resize it?
[03:08] <Phoul> Does anyone know a theme manager theme that has the kubuntu button for the kde start?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> no, but it's easy enough to change
[03:09] <Phoul> How?...
[03:09] <Phoul> Becuase its long the button
[03:10] <Hobbsee> for the kmenu?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> oh...are you meaning kbfx?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> !info kbfx
[03:10] <Phoul> -_-?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> !kbfx
[03:10] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Bugger all, i dunno
[03:10] <Phoul> Its a freakin button 
[03:10] <Phoul> Shit i will link yall
[03:11] <garux> hey robot you around?
[03:11] <Phoul> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=27314 <-------- thats what i want
[03:12] <ClayG> what do you mean?
[03:12] <ClayG> as far as a distro?
[03:12] <ClayG> or box/hw?
[03:12] <Phoul> -_-
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Phoul: well, it would have helped if you'd told us that at the start, unless you did, and i didnt see it
[03:13] <Hobbsee> you also need kbfx, then can install that button
[03:13] <Phoul> kbfx
[03:13] <Hobbsee> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=24898 is the link to kbfx
[03:14] <Phoul> What download do i use?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> actually, looks like you're in luck http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31319
[03:15] <Hobbsee> someone's made a deb for it
[03:15] <Hobbsee> otherwise you'd need to compile it
[03:15] <Hobbsee> !compile
[03:15] <ubotu> rumour has it, compile is Go and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall. tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand.  Also, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConfigureMakeMakeInstall.  Ask me about <compiling>
[03:17] <Knowerrors> Hey all, anybody know how to get Metabar to show in Konq?
[03:17] <levi> is there any way to change xmodmap permenantly?
[03:18] <nalioth> ClayG: that program you are trying to compile
[03:18] <Phoul> How do i uhh use it?
[03:18] <ClayG> trying to compile the gaim extended pref's
[03:19] <Delvien> !tell Phoul about checkinstall
[03:19] <Phoul> I mean i have the .deb what do i do with it
[03:19] <kkathman> install it
[03:19] <Delvien> sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[03:19] <Phoul> Well when i click on it it gives me a error
[03:19] <Delvien> you have to use a konsole
[03:19] <kkathman> dont click...use dpkg
[03:20] <nalioth> Phoul: you dont click deb files. you work with them in a konsole
[03:20] <Delvien> go to the file with konqueror, copy the address of where the file is. then open a console, type in "cd" then paste the address and hit enter
[03:21] <Delvien> then sudo dpkg -i <filename        WITHOUT <>
[03:21] <ClayG> ouch synaptic says i have a broken package and use the broken filter, can't get it to filer anything is there a cli way to see what is broken?
[03:21] <ClayG> or to at least fix it and see it after <as in named>
[03:21] <Phoul> How come su - dont work?
[03:22] <kkathman> cuz it doesnt in ubuntu
[03:22] <kkathman> use sudo
[03:22] <Phoul> Dang
[03:22] <Niomi> is there a CLI file manager?
[03:22] <ClayG> apititude i think
[03:22] <ClayG> but spelled right
[03:23] <ClayG> sorry, tired typing
[03:23] <kkathman> Niomi: file manager?? Well the various commands would be the file manager I suppose
[03:23] <sampan> niomi, midnight commander (mc)
[03:23] <ClayG> oh im sorry, tired thinking to, I was thinking about synaptic 
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Phoul: use sudo
[03:23] <kkathman> ClayG: no aptitude is a broken package that is used sometimes to get packages
[03:23] <Delvien> when does KDE 3.5 release?
[03:23] <sampan> niomi, i can't remember if mc is installed by default -- but it's a small program if you need to install it (sudo apt-get install mc)
[03:23] <kkathman> Delvien: check kde.org
[03:24] <Phoul> Done :)
[03:24] <Phoul> I think its installed and such now
[03:24] <Phoul> What do i do now?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Delvien: should be fairly soon, i think, check developer.kde.org
[03:24] <Delvien> When do you think it will be available via adept updates
[03:24] <garux> so im totally lost on this kdesu issue - is there a known bug?
[03:24] <Niomi> sampan: thanks, i'll check out mc/midnight commander
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hehe sorry kkathman 
[03:25] <Phoul> hobbsee
[03:25] <Phoul> What do i do now?
[03:25] <Phoul>  31319-kbfx-0.4.8rc2_i386.deb
[03:25] <Phoul> Thats installed
[03:25] <kkathman> garux: kdesu is like the equivalent of sudo only in KDE
[03:25] <sampan> niomi, sure -- np :)  it's very handy for if/when X gets broken and GUI apps are non-functional :D
[03:25] <ClayG> looks like i need some fltk
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kkathman: and developer.kde.org is the one that has the release dates
[03:25] <garux> kkathman it doesnt work
[03:25] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:25] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: do you know how to turn on metabar in konq?
[03:25] <kkathman> garux: yes it does
[03:25] <Phoul> Hobbsee?
[03:25] <garux> i have su and sudo in terminal but in NONE of the gui apps
[03:26] <Phoul> hobbsee can i pm you possibly?
[03:26] <kkathman> garux: kdesu works...you use it in KDE to run apps under root
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Phoul: try running kbfx?
[03:26] <garux> i get conversation with su error failed
[03:26] <nalioth> ClayG: libfltk*-dev
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Phoul: no, not accepting PM's at the moment
[03:26] <Phoul> How do you run kbfx...
[03:26] <Phoul> I tried it in the run thing
[03:26] <Phoul> It didnt work
[03:26] <ClayG> i got some via synaptic
[03:27] <Hobbsee> in a konsole?  by the run command?  one of them
[03:27] <ClayG> the one you mentioned and another one that looked like it wouldn't hurt
[03:27] <Hobbsee> not sure how to run it - havent used it myself
[03:27] <ClayG> this is a .deb package
[03:27] <ClayG> install with 
[03:27] <ClayG> sudo dpkg -i package.name?
[03:27] <kkathman> garux:  to run Kate for instance under root, simply key alt-F2, then type kdesu kate  then it will prompt for your password
[03:27] <Phoul> Uhh
[03:27] <Phoul> I cant seem to run kbfx
[03:28] <garux> i do that kathman, and get conversation with su failed
[03:28] <garux> but i can get su in a terminal, which doesnt make sense to me
[03:28] <kkathman> ahh you have to fix your sudoers file probably
[03:28] <garux> but if add myself as root in sudoers, then i have the login issue correct?
[03:28] <Phoul> what do i do with kbfx?
[03:29] <kkathman> garux no you shouldnt
[03:29] <garux> it locked me out last night.
[03:29] <Creamier_Oak> Delvien: nov 29
[03:29] <Phoul> Anyone?
[03:29] <Delvien> cool thanks
[03:30] <ClayG> am i doing this right?
[03:31] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/tZ0Hn298.html
[03:31] <nalioth> ClayG: what are you doing?
[03:31] <nalioth> ClayG: why arent you building prozgui?
[03:32] <nalioth> Niomi: what did happen to your fancy gui?
[03:32] <ClayG> I thought that it being a .deb package made it sort apt-get-like
[03:32] <ClayG> sorry new to this
[03:33] <nalioth> ClayG: no sir. do not use non ubuntu pkgs
[03:33] <nalioth> ClayG: you'll get the errors you got here
[03:33] <nalioth> ClayG: it is really easy to build
[03:33] <fatejudger> !repos
[03:33] <ubotu> well, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[03:34] <ClayG> grabbing the source now
[03:34] <fatejudger> !restrictedformats
[03:34] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[03:35] <Creamier_Oak> i used the .deb and it worked ok, but the later versions dont have .deb files
[03:35] <Creamier_Oak> for prozilla, that is
[03:36] <ClayG> well is "sudo dpkg -i" 
[03:36] <ClayG> the proper command to install?
[03:37] <ClayG> I rather just learn to build, seems like something I'll need
[03:37] <ClayG> naloith, do i just need to ./conf...make...make inst..../install?
[03:38] <dakorkster> ClayG: sudo dpkg -i <package>  is used to install qualified .deb packages
[03:38] <ClayG> is that all that is involved with buiding this source?
[03:38] <Creamier_Oak> ClayG: there's an installation link on that page :)
[03:38] <ClayG> haha you are right
[03:38] <Creamier_Oak> hehe
[03:39] <Creamier_Oak> i followed it a couple of days ago - it was very useful
[03:43] <ClayG> looks like that last "make install" needs to be sudo'd
[03:43] <Creamier_Oak> yeah, seeing as su is just before that
[03:43] <nalioth> ClayG: it is the proper command to install a deb. just not debian debs
[03:43] <nalioth> ClayG: that last "make install" shouldnt be used at all
[03:44] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ClayG about checkinstall
[03:44] <ClayG> just following the instructions
[03:45] <ClayG> To install the package, please become root and type, `make install` which would install the files in the /usr/local/bin directory by default.
[03:45] <nalioth> ClayG: most of the instructions are meant for generic use
[03:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, so sudo make install
[03:45] <Hobbsee> "please become root" = sudo on ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:45] <nalioth> Hobbsee: no ma'am
[03:46] <nalioth> "sudo checkinstall"
[03:46] <Hobbsee> or that too
[03:47] <nalioth> Hobbsee: until you have to chase down a problem after "make install", you wont appreciate checkinstall
[03:47] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[03:47] <Hobbsee> remind me why i dont compile things often
[03:47] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/TTmGa638.html
[03:48] <garux> test
[03:48] <nalioth> ClayG: you are suffereing from easy-script-misery
[03:48] <Sonny_Wertzik> Does anyone here use inkscape?
[03:48] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ClayG about sources
[03:48] <nalioth> ClayG: put your sources.list back in official order
[03:48] <ClayG> grab the one off of ubuntuguide?
[03:49] <nalioth> ClayG: oh non non nono noononon
[03:49] <nalioth> !ubuntuguide
[03:49] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[03:49] <ClayG> Hehe i need a smoke
[03:49] <ClayG> want me to bring you guys' one back?>
[03:50] <Hobbsee> !cig
[03:50] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> !cigarette
[03:50] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but hobbsee needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[03:50] <Hobbsee> nah, i'll pass
[03:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hobbsee, did u get ur button to work?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Sonny_Wertzik: which button was this?
[03:51] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hobbsee, kbfx button
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh, that was Phoul, not me
[03:51] <Phoul> No i didnt
[03:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hobbsee, oh i thought it was u
[03:52] <Phoul> I dont know how
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Sonny_Wertzik: no, but feel free to help Phoul 
[03:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, did u compile it?
[03:52] <Phoul> compile kbfx?
[03:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hobbsee, ok
[03:52] <Phoul> It was a .deb
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Sonny_Wertzik: ther'es a .deb version on kde-apps.org too
[03:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, oh...u found a deb
[03:53] <Phoul> Yeah
[03:53] <Phoul> So uhh how do i put the button in?
[03:53] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya know i have amd64 so i never really look for debs
[03:53] <Phoul> Can you tell me how to get the icon working or not?
[03:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, ya.....
[03:54] <Phoul> Okay then what do i do?
[03:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, if u open the control center under apperance and themes it should say kbfx applet
[03:55] <Phoul> Yup
[03:55] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, open it and pick ur 3 buttons
[03:55] <Phoul> Now what
[03:55] <Phoul> I want the kmenu
[03:55] <ClayG> would it be ok to enable allof these? in the "default sources?
[03:56] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, click on one of those little folders and browse your button folder
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ClayG: from the !repos?  yeah
[03:56] <Phoul> huh
[03:56] <Phoul> theme foldure?
[03:56] <nalioth> ClayG: the ones for breezy will work fine
[03:57] <Phoul> sonny
[03:57] <Phoul> Uhh
[03:57] <Phoul> Which option is the button itself?
[03:57] <ClayG> ok and hoary?
[03:57] <ClayG> it's saying it's the "widest used"
[03:57] <Phoul> like pixmap which one?
[03:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, lets start over....right click your kicker select add to panel>applet>kbfx
[03:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> let me know when u have got this fdar
[03:58] <nalioth> ClayG: breezy just released last month
[03:58] <Phoul> I have it done
[03:59] <ClayG> I'm using breezy
[03:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, if u open the control center ......under apperance and themes it should say kbfx applet
[03:59] <ClayG> ok I'm up to date
[03:59] <Phoul> Done
[03:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, ill wait till u get there
[03:59] <ClayG> check install should be in the sources?
[03:59] <Phoul> sonny
[03:59] <Phoul> done
[04:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, click on one of those little folders on the right and browse your button folder
[04:00] <Phoul> okay
[04:00] <Phoul> done
[04:00] <ClayG> sorry for doubting, again
[04:01] <Phoul> now what?
[04:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul,  just for the sake of doing it pick the same button for normal,hover,and pressed pixmaps
[04:01] <nalioth> ClayG: after you get your sources.list fixed and update yourapt, you should be able to get checkinstall
[04:02] <ClayG> i got it already
[04:02] <Phoul> done
[04:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, i have to log out and log back in for mine to change so u must have to as well
[04:02] <Phoul> apply?
[04:02] <ClayG> lol that is why i was saying sorry for doubting again
[04:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, yes apple
[04:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> apply
[04:02] <ClayG> this is CLI only <checkinstall> right?
[04:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, i have to log out and log back in for mine to change so u must have to as well
[04:02] <ClayG> can i just checkinstall -d packagename.deb?
[04:02] <nalioth> ClayG: correct
[04:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ClayG about checkinstall
[04:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> anyone here use inscape with breezy?
[04:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> inkscape with breezy that is.
[04:06] <ClayG> checkinstall gave errors
[04:07] <Phoul> It kinda worked...
[04:07] <nalioth> ClayG: choose y to read the log and paste it please
[04:07] <Phoul> When i click it it changes back thi
[04:07] <ClayG> http://rafb.net/paste/results/81qzzt23.html
[04:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, what?
[04:08] <Phoul> When i click the button
[04:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya...
[04:08] <Phoul> It goes back to the orignal thing
[04:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, ok then u didnt pick all three buttons
[04:09] <Phoul> all 3?
[04:09] <Phoul> I only say to
[04:09] <Phoul> two
[04:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, all 3 ...u must pick all 3
[04:09] <Phoul> ohh oops
[04:10] <Phoul> Didnt see it
[04:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, heh
[04:10] <nalioth> ClayG: want a hint? you dont need prozgui. it's that simple
[04:10] <Phoul> Thanks sonny
[04:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> Phoul, sure...enjoy
[04:11] <ClayG> ?
[04:11] <ClayG> What if i'd like it
[04:14] <ClayG> aww that's cool, you get to add a description using checkinstall
[04:14] <ClayG> I like that
[04:15] <nalioth> ClayG: something to look out for, if you are gonna be compiling a lot of things
[04:15] <nalioth> ClayG: option 3 always need to end in a numerical value
[04:17] <ClayG> .I dont understand what you mean
[04:17] <ClayG> nalioth, you mean in checkinstall? the ver#?
[04:17] <nalioth> ClayG: when you fill in the description, it will offer you 7 or 8 numbered options with the option to change them
[04:18] <ClayG> yes now it is installed, but how to I use or verify it is here?
[04:18] <nalioth> verify what is there?
[04:18] <jesusfish> what's needed in breezy to be able to play DVD's?
[04:18] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jesusfish about dvd
[04:19] <ClayG> unbeleiveable, you have to compile and <apparently> more just to install a PLUGIN?
[04:20] <nalioth> ClayG: some pkgs that are not code compliant and you'll need to watch item 3
[04:20] <nalioth> ClayG: everything you use on linux has been compiled
[04:20] <ClayG> I guess what I mean is, I'm used to a plugin being something that, well "plug's in"
[04:21] <nalioth> ClayG: after you compile it, it will 'plug in'
[04:22] <ClayG> after checkinstall it creates a .deb
[04:22] <ClayG> can i just sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb?
[04:22] <ClayG> from here?
[04:23] <ClayG> just did it, here goes nothing
[04:24] <nalioth> nope.
[04:24] <nalioth> checkinstall installs it's own debs
[04:25] <nalioth> all you have to do is put the .deb somewhere for safe keeping
[04:25] <ClayG> oh ok, i see that's why it told me it placed a .deb file somewhere
[04:25] <ClayG> i didnt know if that meant "now go dpkg it"
[04:28] <ClayG> YES
[04:28] <ClayG> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1324151&forum_id=370280
[04:30] <levi> i added 3.5 to source.list
[04:30] <levi> and upgraded
[04:30] <levi> what else do i do
[04:30] <nalioth> levi: enjoy
[04:31] <levi> i typed apt-get upgrade
[04:31] <levi> is that it
[04:31] <levi> says i have 3.4.3
[04:32] <Sonny_Wertzik> can someone help me with an inkscape problem?
[04:32] <nalioth> levi: you'll need to log out and back in
[04:33] <levi> i did
[04:34] <Hobbsee> levi: if you do a sudo apt-get update, and then a sudo apt-get upgrade, what does it do?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> lol...just a few seconds too late
[04:36] <Hobbsee> levi: if you do a sudo apt-get update, and then a sudo apt-get upgrade, what does it do?
[04:37] <levi> it updates
[04:37] <levi> and upgrades
[04:37] <levi> then i restarted
[04:37] <levi> and did that again
[04:37] <levi> andit doesnt do anything
[04:37] <levi> i mean no upgrading to do
[04:37] <levi> but kde version says 3.4.3 sssssssstill
[04:40] <levi> anyone?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> levi: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[04:40] <levi> hobb i did that correctly
[04:40] <levi> the one from the webpage
[04:41] <Hobbsee> it's not commented out?
[04:41] <levi> nope
[04:41] <levi> i enabled it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> levi: konversation --version
[04:42] <Hobbsee> type that into a konsole, and paste the output
[04:45] <Hobbsee> er.....ok then endo602 
[04:45] <Hobbsee> endo602: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list anyway?
[04:45] <endo602> sorr
[04:45] <endo602> yeah
[04:45] <Hobbsee> it's ok :)
[04:45] <endo602> what is the rul again
[04:45] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[04:45] <ubotu> I guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:49] <arthurb> Hi, what repositery should I add to have mp3 ?
[04:49] <endo602> alright its in
[04:49] <nalioth> arthurb: universe AND multiverse for maximum satisfaction
[04:49] <Hobbsee> endo602: link?
[04:50] <arthurb> I have both
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[04:51] <endo602> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4894
[04:51] <Hobbsee> endo602: do a sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, and just paste the entirity of what it gives you to the pastebin
[04:51] <takmadeus> greetings
[04:52] <takmadeus> may I ask you all a favor?
[04:52] <ClayG> i need a good d/lmanager that is gui
[04:52] <arthurb> nalioth: then what ?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ClayG: IIRC, kget's not bad, but i usually use prozilla (for very large files) or wget for anythign else
[04:53] <mpma> I've been searching for the means to edit the right-click desktop menu in kubuntu.  Is there an .xml file somewhere or a gui tool for this level of customization?  
[04:53] <endo602> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4895
[04:53] <takmadeus> is there someone in here with write access to the repositories?
[04:53] <arthurb> i have gestreamer0.8-mad yet amarok still complains
[04:55] <Hobbsee> endo602: why dont you get rid of all the stuff in your current /etc/apt/sources.list, and replace it with the stuff here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4896
[04:57] <_sara> arthur do you also have the akode-mpeg  package (sorry to bump)http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[04:59] <foda> how do you install an icon theme? I downloaded  some emoticons for kopete from kde-look, then went to the control panel -> icons, but am not sure which of the files in folder to install.
[04:59] <foda> what would it end in?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> foda: .tar.gz i think
[05:00] <Hobbsee> foda: and you want to go into kopete, configure, appearance, install theme file
[05:00] <Hobbsee> you dont have to untar it first
[05:00] <foda> ah
[05:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:01] <foda> no untaring
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:01] <foda> i see
[05:01] <foda> thanks
[05:01] <Hobbsee> it'll take the .tar.gz - very useful of it
[05:01] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[05:01] <mpma> has anyone succesfully added items to the rightclick menu on the desktop ???
[05:01] <Hobbsee> foda: which emoticon theme did you install, btw?
[05:01] <foda> aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh...  i like kde so much, everything is easier than you think it is
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hehe i know!  it's great!
[05:01] <foda> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10554
[05:03] <Hobbsee> foda: pretty
[05:03] <endo602> Hobbsee: same deal
[05:03] <endo602> no differnt
[05:04] <Hobbsee> endo602: yeah, it wont make much difference, but it cleans up your sources list a lot!
[05:04] <endo602> yeah
[05:04] <endo602> so what will i do
[05:04] <Hobbsee> endo602: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, log out, then log back in
[05:04] <endo602> ok
[05:05] <endo602> but it says some packages were held back
[05:05] <Hobbsee> even with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:06] <nalioth> i smell non official pkgs or repos
[05:06] <Hobbsee> nalioth: only seveas' ones, wine, and kde3.5
[05:07] <nalioth> Hobbsee: that you know of
[05:07] <Hobbsee> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4896 was what it got changed to, assuming it got done correctly
[05:07] <nalioth> Hobbsee: but u dont know what has been installed in the past
[05:08] <Hobbsee> true
[05:08] <foda> The file "/home/foda/10554-crystalmess svg.tar.gz" is not a valid emoticon theme
[05:08] <foda> :(
[05:08] <Hobbsee> foda: does it load anyway, even though it says that?  the msn7 one does
[05:08] <foda> doesn't seem to
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hmmmm
[05:09] <foda> how do you get the msn7 one's?
[05:09] <chaoticgeek> !restrictedformats
[05:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[05:09] <Hobbsee> foda: it's on kde-look.org i think - google finds it
[05:10] <foda> thanks
[05:11] <chaoticgeek> hey guys, what is the name of the firefox mplayer plugin?
[05:11] <chaoticgeek> I cant remember what it is for apt-get
[05:11] <Hobbsee> chaoticgeek: apt-cache search firefox mplayer
[05:12] <foda> that's why aptitude is your friend... or at least it's my friend
[05:12] <ClayG> Hey does the ubuntuguide go over DMA on drives?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> mozilla-mplayer
[05:13] <Hobbsee> chaoticgeek: mozilla-mplayer
[05:13] <chaoticgeek> ahhh
[05:13] <chaoticgeek> thanks
[05:13] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:13] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search mplayer finds it
[05:13] <ClayG> For the life of me I couldnt figure out what was causing my dvd player to flash on and off and take over a half hour to burn a dvd
[05:13] <chaoticgeek> that could be why I didnt find in in a serch for firefox
[05:13] <Hobbsee> true
[05:13] <ClayG> no it's smooth sailing, and I'd hate to use this as a benchmark but it's coming *close* to windows performance
[05:13] <ClayG> lol
[05:13] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:13] <ClayG> and that is something the automatix script had in it
[05:14] <nalioth> ClayG: please use help.ubuntu.com
[05:15] <ClayG> !ubuntuguide
[05:15] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[05:15] <nalioth> ClayG: ubuntuguide was written for warty warthog (over a year old now) and hasnt been upgraded much to reflect the changes in ubuntu
[05:15] <nalioth> ClayG: using ubuntuguide will have the same effect as those scripts
[05:15] <ClayG> show me the reply when someone bad mouths ubuntuguide
[05:16] <ClayG> It says something abotu ubuntuguide being so good it's included in the distro in "help"
[05:16] <ClayG> or something to that effect
[05:16] <ClayG> is that outdated?
[05:16] <nalioth> no. read it carefully.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ClayG: the help system in ubuntu's modified off that
[05:16] <ClayG> I can't read it, I dont know the trigger
[05:16] <ClayG> not that above
[05:16] <nalioth> ClayG: you just triggered it
[05:16] <ClayG> there is another I've seen
[05:16] <Hobbsee> in actual fact, i will usually go to the ubuntu guide for a specific set of commands, if i know them to be in date, and still working
[05:17] <Hobbsee> ClayG: someone keeps changing it, it seems
[05:17] <ClayG> no it was something like "I heard you/someone was badmouthing ubuntu guide"
[05:17] <nalioth> ClayG: that is a new response, use !faq
[05:17] <ClayG> then goes on about it being in the distro
[05:17] <nalioth> the format IS in the distro, but it is updated to reflect modern ubuntu
[05:17] <ClayG> What is the most current besides irc, is the forum decent?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:18] <Hobbsee> should be
[05:18] <ClayG> Hey guys, new Shield commercial is coming on
[05:18] <ClayG> You know you like The Shield
[05:19] <nalioth> ClayG: you should talk about the shield in #kubuntu-offtopic 
[05:19] <ClayG> oh, I thought i was there, sorry lol
[05:20] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:23] <foda> ClayG: the forum is really great, best linux related forum i've ever used
[05:27] <thompa-A> hi
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:28] <thompa-A> anyone running dapper?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:29] <thompa-A> im running Dapper from ubuntu, when i go to install kubuntu desktop it wants to remove ubuntu desktop and openoffice
[05:29] <crimsun> that's expected.
[05:30] <crimsun> things are in flux atm due to a number of different transitions
[05:30] <crimsun> it's best to remain with Breezy
[05:30] <thompa-A> is breezy going to get kde 3.5?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[05:31] <ubotu> well, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[05:31] <Hobbsee> you can get it now
[05:31] <Hobbsee> and i'm assuming it will get backported when it is fully released
[05:31] <thompa-A> thanks
[05:32] <Delvien> How does one edit the GRUB boottable
[05:32] <Delvien> i have 3 instances of linux on there for soem reason
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: probably from doing dist-upgrade's you new kernels from updates get installed.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Delvien: one could well be a recovery one, too
[05:35] <Delvien> aye thats what it is
[05:35] <Delvien> i upgraded (without knowing it) to i686, then it just recently did the kernal update
[05:39] <thunderbolt> anyone have a recommendation for a good laptop for kubuntu?
[05:39] <yikes> all i did was uninstall the old kernels
[05:39] <yikes> and kept updated kernel installed
[05:39] <Delvien> how do i install rpm files, i forget
[05:39] <thunderbolt> Delvien: use alien.
[05:39] <Delvien> seeing if a SUSE app will work
[05:40] <thunderbolt> Delvien: I've forgotten the exact steps, I'm sorry to say, but alien will convert a .rpm into a .deb
[05:40] <Delvien> ah kk
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: pretty unlikely since it's probably compiled against different version libs.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: alien -d [filename] 
[05:40] <Delvien> LeeJunFan aye, but its based on PowernowD , but its a Suse app
[05:41] <Delvien> so hopefully
[05:45] <takmadeus> hello
[05:46] <takmadeus> I have a question..... can anyone make a posty in the forums for me?
[05:46] <takmadeus> right now I am in a hurry, so I cannot register
[05:51] <Delvien> Anyone find a better battery monitor than klaptop?
[05:51] <Delvien> i like the gnome one :(
[06:01] <thrice`> hrm...i've got a general question
[06:02] <thrice`> are KDE releases compiled for the current stable branch?  say, if I run breezy, will KDE 3.5 be compiled for it, or must I wait for dapper's release
[06:02] <thrice`> or risk using it's oh-so-unstable pre-release :)
[06:03] <troy> it should eventually be created as a backport, I assume
[06:05] <troy> I'm more concerned about somehow getting a better way to run 32bit on 64bit - right now it just stinks
[06:06] <thrice`> of course...64 is still so fresh
[06:07] <troy> yeah, but right now you have to chroot to run 32bit, when really installing the 64 and 32 bit libs side-by-side should be realistic -- many other distros pull it off smoothly
[06:08] <nalioth> thrice`: if you're patient, 3.5 will show up in backports for breezy
[06:13] <thrice`> nalioth, just curious how that works :)
[06:13] <nalioth> how what works?
[06:14] <nalioth> programs destined to ship with dapper that are compiled for breezy are 'back ported' to breezy
[06:14] <thrice`> nalioth, no no, kde releases in general
[06:15] <thrice`> i usually compile kde myself on slack...just curious, as this version (and KDE4) are going to be pretty big
[06:15] <nalioth> you'll have to ask some one more familiar with kubuntu
[06:18] <troy> thrice`: 6.04 will ship with 3.5 - then we wait until 4, which could be another year at least methinks
[06:18] <troy> likely 6.10 will ship with 3.5.x as well
[06:18] <thrice`> troy, dunno about that...it's being developed WITH 3.5
[06:19] <troy> thrice`: trust me, they haven't even got all of kde 3.5's existing code ported to QT4 yet
[06:19] <troy> I've been involved with kde since 1.1.x - it was the same story for kde 2.0 and 3.0
[06:20] <thrice`> troy, ah
[06:20] <thrice`> troy, i have only been using linux 2 years :(
[06:20] <thrice`> troy, which distro did you start on?
[06:21] <troy> thrice`: lets see.... redhat 5.0 I think with kde 1.0alpha :)
[06:21] <troy> then mandrake, until version 7.x, then slackware for a while, then freebsd for an age -- and now kubuntu :P
[06:22] <thrice`> ah; only slack here
[06:22] <thrice`> tried mandrake, red hat, suse...sort of a joke after being breed on slackware :)
[06:22] <troy> I use slackware where appropriate, and if I want a high level of control over what I install without a package manager screaming at me
[06:23] <thrice`> yes...it's VERY hard for me to turn to a distro with a package manager
[06:23] <thrice`> I feel so ... not in control
[06:23] <troy> I only got involved in kubuntu after looking for a newbie friendly install for my gf's laptop - she got sick of windows :)
[06:24] <thrice`> interesting
[06:24] <thrice`> ubuntu IS very easy to use
[06:25] <troy> anyway, sleep beckons....
[06:25] <thrice`> see ya
[06:45] <_grant> Hey guys, anyone alive tonight?
[06:46] <_grant> No one at their keyboard?
[06:46] <crimsun> nope, no one.
[06:47] <_grant> hehe, heya
[06:48] <_grant> I just migrated from fedora and am used to yum, I see Kubuntu has "adept" which appears to be like yumex, but I can't seem to  find the mp3 file fixes on it such as the kopete FAQ would suggest. Any pointers?
[06:48] <_grant> *Kubuntu sorry
[06:50] <c0rrupt> hello, how can i remove xorg from running everytime i boot- to just have a console login?
[08:06] <NitaS> I have few questions, could you help me!!??
[08:07] <Tm_T> atk-keskus: vai viel keskus
[08:27] <enrique> hi good morning from spain
[08:28] <damnhil> can u run mono in ubuntu?
[08:29] <enrique> no
[08:35] <robotgeek> damnhil: yes
[08:47] <damnhil> robotgeek, I got error: Could not exec wineserver. Help!
[08:48] <robotgeek> damnhil: i am not sure what you are talking about.  
[08:48] <damnhil> robotgeek, I got error: Could not exec wineserver when I ran mono program.exe which required winform
[08:49] <robotgeek> damnhil: i don't use windows/wine, sorry
[09:05] <damnhil> how do I enable local users to write in vsftpd?
[10:09] <emagoct> hi
[10:12] <emagoct> I've just installed Kubuntu and I haven't been asked for root's password!
[10:12] <emagoct> Do you use the root account at all?
[10:15] <sampan> emagoct, no -- (k)ubuntu uses sudo (with your own pw), not root
[10:15] <sampan> !root
[10:15] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:18] <emagoct> Thanks! I'm reading it quickly. When I launch an application with root privileges from the menu, the password window popups
[10:18] <emagoct> but when I enter my user's password, it doesn't work
[10:18] <sampan> hrmmm ... do you get a "conversation with su failed" error? or something else?
[10:19] <emagoct> no, just the same password window with the box empty
[10:19] <emagoct> I haven't tried sudo at the konsole yet
[10:25] <acvardar> looking for somebody who can advise me in openvpn or other vpn client set up, i cannot connect to my vpn server under kubuntu
[10:26] <emagoct> have you tried freeS/WAN?
[10:26] <acvardar> what is it ?
[10:27] <emagoct> It's a client and server vpn program
[10:27] <emagoct> it uses IPSec, I think, instead of SSL
[10:27] <acvardar> again a client server combo :( 
[10:27] <acvardar> isnt there any easy to use client only thing around?
[10:28] <emagoct> i don't know if FreeS/WAN can be used as a client-only vpn
[10:30] <acvardar> maybe i am looking for the wrong thing, what i need is to connect to an internet service provider through vpn vonnection, they gave me a vpn address and a DNS to be used with VPN. for local web sites i have another dns.
[10:31] <acvardar> how can i connect to this vpn and see my web browser to seet his vpn as my internet gateway?
[10:33] <nikkia> acvardar: IPsec should be built into the kernel.... it should just be a matter of configuration
[10:34] <acvardar> yes, but how to ?
[10:34] <nikkia> no idea, i'm stuck with pptp vpns i'm afraid
[10:35] <emagoct> have you tried openvpn and failed?
[10:36] <acvardar> not actually i have just installed openvpn an hour ago, trying to enter teh commands correctly but the pasrameters are confusing, i could not succeed.
[10:36] <acvardar> sorry typoos.
[10:37] <nikkia> openvpn uses ssh not ipsec, afaik
[10:38] <emagoct> I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm connecting to my vpn with a Windows program for the time being
[10:38] <nikkia> well, ssl, practically the same thing :)
[10:39] <nikkia> you're going to want frees/wan or the openbsd ipsec stuff for an ipsec vpn, i suspect
[10:39] <emagoct> does freebsd have ipsec as well?
[10:40] <nikkia> emagoct: by 'openbsd ipsec stuff' i don't mean 'install openbsd', as you may or may not be aware, a lot of security tools come from the openbsd project, ssh for example
[10:40] <emagoct> I see
[10:40] <nikkia> i imagine that freebsd has the ipsec tools from openbsd available, just like linux, just as both have openssh available
[10:41] <emagoct> acvardar, FreeS/WAN needs to be installed at both client and server
[10:41] <emagoct> it won't help you unless your ISP has it for its vpn
[10:41] <nikkia> emagoct: yes, but if they're using ipsec vpn, its likely either frees/wan or the openbsd tools
[10:42] <emagoct> I see
[10:42] <nikkia> sadly without knowing which it is, its probably going to be trial and error
[11:02] <Telex4> can I safely install the KDE 3.5 RC 1 packages without getting rid of the stable 3.4.3 packages?
[11:05] <paines> hi 
[11:05] <paines> i have a problem with licq. i can connect ones(the first time), and after I have closed the connection and start up again, I cannot connect any more
[11:22] <hettar> ANyone know of an easy way to get the newer ALSA 1.0.10 release working on kubuntu ?
[11:29] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can i turn on the 3d accelaration?
[11:38] <_djdarkman> no one knows how to enable 3d accelaration for my video card?
[11:42] <Telex4> DjDarkman: what type of card is it?
[11:42] <DjDarkman> Nvidia geforce 4 mx 440
[11:43] <Tm_T> haha
[11:43] <Telex4> DjDarkman: do you have the nvidia driver installed?
[11:43] <DjDarkman> yes
[11:44] <Telex4> DjDarkman: and do you know if X is using that driver at the moment?
[11:44] <DjDarkman> well i think so ,cause i`m in kde
[11:45] <DjDarkman> how can i configure the 
[11:46] <DjDarkman> 3d acceleration?
[11:47] <Telex4> DjDarkman: ok, try this: open up konsole and type 'grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf', hit enter, and tell me what it comes back with
[11:47] <Telex4> DjDarkman: that will tell you what driver you're using at the moment
[11:47] <DjDarkman>        Driver          "nvidia"
[11:51] <Telex4> DjDarkman: ok, now try running 'glxgears'
[11:52] <DjDarkman> it runs
[11:52] <Telex4> ok, try 'glxgears -printfps'
[11:53] <DjDarkman> ...
[11:53] <DjDarkman> 9379 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1875.716 FPS
[11:53] <DjDarkman> 4223 frames in 5.0 seconds = 844.389 FPS
[11:53] <DjDarkman> 4191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 838.156 FPS
[11:53] <DjDarkman> ...
[11:54] <Telex4> DjDarkman: ok, so 3d acceleration is working
[11:54] <nikkia> that's awful low for accelerated 3d
[11:54] <Telex4> bear in mind that glxgears is NOT a reliable benchmark
[11:54] <nikkia> Telex4: its not, but anything below 5000 fps on a recent video card would suggest software 3d
[11:54] <DjDarkman> Telex4: i have a cedega installed and it says that its not working
[11:55] <nikkia> looking at the top of the output from glxinfo would be more suitable
[11:55] <nikkia> particularly whether or not Direct Rendering is enabled, and who the GL vendor string is
[11:56] <Telex4> DjDarkman: run 'glxinfo | grep vendor' and print the results here
[11:56] <nikkia> Telex4: Direct Rendering is equally important
[11:57] <nikkia> its posssible to configure nvidia's driver to be using their GLX, but still not use hardware 3d
[11:57] <Telex4> nikkia: one step at a time :) 
[11:57] <DjDarkman> let me show u something http://djdarkman.tx.hu/snapshot12.png
[11:58] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ glxinfo | grep vendor
[11:58] <DjDarkman> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[11:58] <DjDarkman> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[11:58] <DjDarkman> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[11:59] <nikkia> DjDarkman: now check the direct rendering setting
[11:59] <Telex4> DjDarkman: try: 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[11:59] <nikkia> DjDarkman: just do 'glxinfo | less' and look for the 3rd or 4th line
[12:00] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[12:00] <DjDarkman> direct rendering: Yes
[12:00] <nikkia> is it a geforce 2 card by any chance ?
[12:01] <DjDarkman> direct rendering: Yes
[12:01] <DjDarkman> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[12:01] <DjDarkman> no ,i told u its a mx440
[12:01] <nikkia> DjDarkman: the MX440 is a geforce 2 really, but that shouldn't matter, i think the geforce 4mx is still supported by the new drivers
[12:02] <nikkia> (nvidia discontinued h/w 3d support on a LOT of cards prior to the geforce 4 series a few months back)
[12:02] <DjDarkman> its a gefore 4 mx 440
[12:03] <Telex4> DjDarkman: can you post the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your web site, then send us the URL?
[12:03] <nikkia> DjDarkman: nvidia cheated with the geforce 4 mx series, they're actually a geforce 2 with some improvements, but i believe they're still supported
[12:03] <DjDarkman> ytes Telex4 
[12:03] <DjDarkman> i hope so nikkia 
[12:03] <nikkia> DjDarkman: the fact that they stopped supporting cards at all is very frustrating, but i sort of understand their reasons
[12:04] <DjDarkman> http://djdarkman.tx.hu/xorg.conf
[12:04] <DjDarkman> nikkia: does that mean that maybe i should get an older driver?
[12:04] <Telex4> DjDarkman: also, while I have a look at this, run 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' just in case it's not installed
[12:05] <nikkia> DjDarkman: no, you should be ok, the geforce 4mx are stll supported
[12:05] <nikkia> i'm not actually sure cedega is telling the truth though
[12:05] <Telex4> DjDarkman: "The requested URL /xorg.conf was not found on this server."
[12:06] <DjDarkman> w8 Telex4 plz
[12:06] <paines> sorry to jump into this discussion, but he getting more than 800 fps in glxgears, which isn't much, buit abolsutly an idencation for hardware rendering, in software you get maximum of 300-400. and the stupid cedega tool is blabberin shit, cause it also told me that 3d acceleration isn't working, which isn't true.
[12:06] <DjDarkman> try again Telex4 
[12:07] <paines> otherwise i wouldn't be able to play quake 4 and rest of the games
[12:07] <nikkia> paines: i've gotten 1200-1300 out of software 3d on glxgears before...
[12:07] <paines> in software ?
[12:07] <nikkia> yes, from mesa
[12:07] <DjDarkman> nvidia-glx is installed
[12:08] <Telex4> DjDarkman: aha, ok, run 'sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:08] <paines> hmmm, on a quadro pentium 4 or what ?
[12:08] <nikkia> paines: it was a dual CPU box, yes
[12:08] <Telex4> then put a comment symbol '#' before the following lines:
[12:08] <Telex4> 	Load	"GLcore"
[12:08] <Telex4> 	Load	"dri"
[12:08] <paines> nikkia, aha. okay. 
[12:08] <paines> nikkia, thanks for info
[12:09] <nikkia> paines: i consider 800-2000 an area where it 'could be software, could be h/w, hard to tell without more information'
[12:09] <nikkia> any recent card should be WAY higher than that, anyway
[12:09] <DjDarkman> Telex4: done
[12:10] <paines> nikkia, i ,made the experience that on evry cpu I seen so far(only single cpu boxes) software rendering never was about 400  fps. so I considered evrything about 500 as hardware rendering
[12:10] <Telex4> DjDarkman: ok, now you'll need to restart X for this to take effect... log out, then just to be sure hit Ctrl+alt+Backspace (restarts X), then log in again... now X will definitely just use nvidia's 3d acceleration... if Cedega still complains, I'd suggest you post to www.ubuntuforums.org explaining what you've tried so far
[12:11] <DjDarkman> ok brb
[12:11] <nikkia> paines: its probably a similar assumption that cedega is making :)
[12:11] <paines> nikkia, haha. that could be the reason
[12:11] <Telex4> now, can anyone tell me if I can safely install the kde 3.5 rc1 packages without affecting kde 3.4, or will they remove 3.4 in the process of installing 3.5rc1?
[12:13] <raphink> if you update kde with package then it will remove kde 3.4 for sure
[12:14] <raphink> unless you create a chroot and install in it
[12:14] <raphink> or a double boot if you prefer
[12:14] <raphink> s/package/packages/
[12:14] <Telex4> raphink: ok, thanks... it's a shame it can't handle parallel installs.
[12:14] <raphink> sure it can Telex4 
[12:15] <raphink> if you know how to do it as I said
[12:15] <raphink> using either a second system or a double boot
[12:15] <raphink> sorry
[12:15] <ajus> i can't read a fat16 usb disk on breezy... help please
[12:15] <raphink> s/double boot/chroot/
[12:15] <raphink> which is more or less the same 
[12:15] <Telex4> raphink: yeah, ok, it's a shame it can't make it easy for users to have both installed without recourse to chroots :)
[12:15] <raphink> well most users shouldn't have to install two kde versions
[12:16] <raphink> Telex4: you can also choose to build KDE, put it in a folder, and then set your $KDEPATH
[12:16] <raphink> ajus: what do you get?
[12:16] <ajus> konquror pops out saying no such device "sda1"
[12:17] <raphink> ajus: paste your /etc/fstab into a pastebin
[12:17] <Telex4> raphink: I'm aware of this ;) I'm trying to get a quick 3.5rc1 desktop up so I can put some finishing touches to the official kde 3.5 promotional materials... :)
[12:17] <raphink> Telex4: upgrade then
[12:17] <DjDarkman> hmmm still cedega says that its not working
[12:18] <DjDarkman> but those glx tests run fast on cedega
[12:18] <Telex4> DjDarkman: I have to go, maybe someone else can help, if not then try the forums
[12:18] <DjDarkman> k 10x Telex4 
[12:19] <raphink> hmm
[12:19] <raphink> all the pastebins seem down :(
[12:19] <raphink> ajus: paste me your /etc/fstab as PM
[12:20] <raphink> or : http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/
[12:20] <raphink> this one still works 
[12:21] <ajus> raphink: pasted it in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/436713
[12:21] <raphink> oh it works again :)
[12:21] <ajus> ;)
[12:21] <raphink> hmm
[12:21] <raphink> weird
[12:21] <raphink> ajus: in a console
[12:21] <raphink> type
[12:22] <raphink> sudo mount -f fat16 /dev/sda1 /media/floppy0 
[12:22] <raphink> (gonna try it on floppy since it exists at least ;) )
[12:23] <nikkia> DjDarkman: i wouldn't worry too much about cedega's tests, just try a game, if it works, it works :)
[12:24] <nikkia> DjDarkman: and let me tell you something... i use cedega here, but don't use kubuntu on my desktop, the Point2Play installer wouldn't even run until i hacked the script to handle not knowing what distribution you're running, so i wouldn't put much/any faith in the script's ability to be accurate :)
[12:24] <ajus> raphink: i pasted the result
[12:25] <raphink> ajus: oops ;)
[12:25] <raphink> it's -t , not -f
[12:25] <raphink> sorry
[12:25] <raphink> ;)
[12:25] <ajus> ok.. i'll try again :)
[12:25] <nikkia> raphink: i'd suggest vfat over fat16 as the fs type too
[12:25] <DjDarkman> nikkia: i`m using the newes version of kubuntu
[12:26] <raphink> hmmm right
[12:26] <raphink> well mount suggested it too ;)
[12:26] <raphink> it seems
[12:26] <DjDarkman> nikkia: and i`ve never used cedega before and i want to make sure that it`s running before i buy it
[12:27] <ajus> so hould i change it to vfat?
[12:27] <nikkia> raphink: i wouldn't be surprised if the old fat12/fat16 fs types have been made to reference vfat instead, there's really no need for those old filesystem modules anymore
[12:27] <raphink> yes nikkia 
[12:27] <nikkia> DjDarkman: the best way to do that, is to test it with an actual game
[12:27] <raphink> ajus: try with vfat
[12:27] <DjDarkman> does someone uses opera on kubuntu?
[12:27] <nikkia> DjDarkman: yes, i do
[12:28] <DjDarkman> nikkia: witch version?
[12:28] <nikkia> i use opera on all my PCs, some of which run kubuntu :)
[12:28] <ajus> it says "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[12:28] <nikkia> DjDarkman: of opera? or kubuntu ?
[12:28] <DjDarkman> of opera
[12:28] <nikkia> 8.5 of course
[12:28] <DjDarkman> will u look at something for me?
[12:28] <nikkia> altho i didn't see 8.51 was out :)
[12:29] <nikkia> DjDarkman: sure, what?
[12:29] <DjDarkman> w8 i must put it on my webserver first
[12:30] <DjDarkman> http://djdarkman.tx.hu/snapshot13.png
[12:30] <ajus> raphink: changet to vfat and it says "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[12:30] <raphink> hmm
[12:30] <raphink> strange
[12:30] <DjDarkman> pls look@this and tell me what is wrong
[12:30] <raphink> wait a min
[12:30] <ajus> maybe breezy doesn't support older fat anymore..
[12:31] <nikkia> DjDarkman: apart from the web server speed ?
[12:31] <DjDarkman> is it fast enough now?
[12:31] <nikkia> DjDarkman: yes :)
[12:32] <nikkia> DjDarkman: you need to install 'motif' or lesstif :)
[12:32] <nikkia> DjDarkman: some plugins use the motifwrapper which depends on either real motif, or lesstif
[12:32] <DjDarkman> but where do i gant one that worx?
[12:32] <raphink> ajus: it's not about fat, it's about usb it seems
[12:32] <DjDarkman> but where do i get one that worx?
[12:32] <nikkia> DjDarkman: just install 'lesstif' from kubuntu
[12:32] <nikkia> !info lesstif
[12:32] <raphink> do you have usbview installed ajus ?
[12:33] <nikkia> !find lesstif
[12:33] <DjDarkman> ohh so that`s it
[12:33] <ajus> raphink: but my other usb disk with fat 32 working fine
[12:33] <nikkia> lesstif-bin and so on, apparently
[12:33] <raphink> hmm
[12:33] <nikkia> actually 'lesstif2' is probably the package you want
[12:33] <raphink> ajus: and this fat16 works on windows ?
[12:33] <nikkia> !info lesstif2
[12:33] <ubotu> lesstif2: (OSF/Motif 2.1 implementation released under LGPL), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 1:0.93.94-11.4ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 1620 kB
[12:33] <ajus> raphink: yes flawlessly
[12:33] <nikkia> you need 'universe' enabled in your sources.list
[12:33] <raphink> ajus: weird
[12:34] <DjDarkman> i have it enabled
[12:34] <raphink> ajus: why don't you format this key to fat32 ? ;)
[12:34] <DjDarkman> than i should sudo apt-get install lesstif2 ?
[12:34] <nikkia> DjDarkman: i imagine so
[12:34] <ajus> raphink: i still use it fat16 for my symbian phone
[12:35] <raphink> ic
[12:35] <nikkia> DjDarkman: i tend to prefer to use aptitude, as it lets me see the dependancies a little clearer, but apt-get'ing lesstif2 should do the job
[12:35] <raphink> :s
[12:35] <ajus> raphink: could it be breezy doesn't support it?
[12:35] <raphink> I doubt so ajus 
[12:35] <DjDarkman> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ sudo apt-get install lesstif2
[12:35] <DjDarkman> Reading package lists... Done
[12:35] <DjDarkman> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:35] <DjDarkman> lesstif2 is already the newest version.
[12:35] <raphink> breezy should support fat16 imo
[12:36] <ajus> raphink: do you think if i reinstall breezy would be any good?
[12:36] <DjDarkman> but still i get the error from opera
[12:36] <raphink> ajus: since this is not a kubuntu-specific issue, ask on #ubuntu maybe
[12:36] <raphink> there'll be more people to answer ;)
[12:36] <ajus> oh.. ok.. thanks
[12:37] <ajus> raphink: thanks alot :)... one more question.. it seems can't go to standby mode, my laptop.. what should i do?
[12:37] <DjDarkman> nikkia: what should i try next?
[12:37] <nikkia> DjDarkman: with what?
[12:38] <nikkia> oh, sorry, didn't see that, hmmm
[12:38] <raphink> ajus: I'm not good with laptops and hibernation is a pb on all distros, so ask on  #ubuntu aswell
[12:38] <DjDarkman> it was installed already and i get the same error
[12:38] <ajus> raphink: ok.. thanks :)
[12:38] <nikkia> DjDarkman: i dunno, maybe install the other lesstif, lesstif-bin which should be lesstif1
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ajus: havent tried it, but people have had some success with suspend2
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !suspend2
[12:39] <ubotu> Hobbsee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:39] <Hobbsee> which has been mentioned in a howto on ubuntu forums
[12:39] <DjDarkman> all of them are installed
[12:39] <DjDarkman> lesstif1
[12:40] <DjDarkman> lesstif2
[12:40] <DjDarkman> lesstif-bin ...
[12:40] <raphink> !hibernation
[12:40] <ubotu> methinks hibernation is started using the /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh script.
[12:40] <raphink> !suspend
[12:40] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, raphink
[12:40] <acvardar> Hi! I am have prepared a GUI application running on kubuntu using qt, which also has opengl on it, but to make it faster i want to make it independent of gnome. which x environment should i use, or can i make it running without x environment?
[12:41] <raphink> ?!
[12:41] <raphink> acvardar: how does it depend on gnome?
[12:41] <raphink> acvardar: and /join #kubuntu-devel for that rather
[12:42] <raphink> or #kde-devel
[12:42] <acvardar> kde i mean ;)
[12:42] <raphink> oh 
[12:42] <raphink> you mean you want to make a qt app that doesn't depend on kde ?
[12:42] <acvardar> yes
[12:42] <raphink> why?
[12:42] <acvardar> because kde is slow
[12:43] <raphink> then program in gtk
[12:43] <ajus> Hobbsee: where can i find suspend2?
[12:43] <raphink> ;)
[12:43] <acvardar> as i heard there are more compact versions
[12:43] <raphink> acvardar: ask that on #kde-devel
[12:43] <raphink> I doubt this is a nice idea though
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ajus: search on ubuntuforums.org
[12:43] <raphink> ;)
[12:45] <Hobbsee> as in, i dont have the direct link
[12:45] <nikkia> acvardar: why are you trying to mix Qt and OpenGL ?
[12:45] <nikkia> ie, what is it you need from Qt?
[12:47] <acvardar> its a kiosk application that has some buttons, tabs, sliders and an opengl model.
[12:47] <acvardar> so i use sliders etc. from qt. and qt designer is quite easy to use.
[12:48] <nikkia> acvardar: as someone that writes such applications for a living, let me tell you: mixing a higher-level API widgets with OpenGL rarely works, you're probably better off coding your own widgets in OpenGL :)
[12:49] <nikkia> 3d contexts mixed with plain drawing contexts just end up being messy and slow, whether its win32+d3d, mfc+d3d, win32+opengl, qt+opengl, gtk+opengl, etc...
[12:50] <acvardar> i have the same application running on windows and written with cpp+c# works fine under windows xp.
[12:51] <acvardar> now i am porting this app.
[01:06] <gath> hello
[01:06] <gath> how i can listen some mp3 with amarok on kubuntu?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> !multimedia
[01:07] <ubotu> somebody said multimedia was for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:09] <gath> thank you, i`ll will try it
[01:09] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:13] <gath> no i have probems to install it
[01:16] <Hobbsee> gath: what problems?
[01:18] <gath> E: Konnte Lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock nicht bekommen - open (11 Die Ressource ist zur Zeit nicht verfgbar)
[01:18] <gath> Hobbsee: in german: 
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:18] <Hobbsee> close synaptic/adept/any other apt-get windows
[01:19] <Hobbsee> gath: my german is rather rusty lol, but I know what the error is
[01:19] <gath> ok
[01:19] <gath> so i load everthing over apt-get
[01:19] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:19] <Hobbsee> or adept only
[01:20] <Hobbsee> you can only have one open at a time
[01:20] <gath> and how i close it?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> the close button, at the top of the screen?
[01:20] <gath> or go on 
[01:20] <gath> yes i did it
[01:20] <gath> and opend again
[01:20] <Hobbsee> now try the command in apt-get again, that the wiki page told you
[01:20] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:20] <gath> the same problem
[01:21] <Hobbsee> *looks at error message*
[01:21] <Hobbsee> the resources is not....verfugbar....hmmm...
[01:21] <Hobbsee> it's a couldnt lock the directory
[01:22] <gath> i think, i only have to restart the installation, but i don`t knoe the right command
[01:22] <gath> maybe dpkg -l
[01:23] <Hobbsee> gath: sudo apt-get update
[01:23] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:24] <gath> the same problem
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:25] <Dark_Sith> hello peeps
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:33] <sam^> hi, how do I add imap support to kmail?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> sam^: ah, imap's already in kmail, i think
[01:35] <sam^> I thought so as well, but everytime I try to access my IMAP folders, it says the "process imap cannot be started"
[01:36] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:36] <Hobbsee> you might want to ask in #kde
[01:39] <sam^> I had to install kdepim-kio-plugins
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:43] <ogra> amu, ping
[02:10] <_jose> hi all, i have problems installing java runtime environmet in firefox
[02:10] <_jose> anyone could please help me?
[02:14] <raingrove> does anyone know why the sound is not so responsive (it lags a little) in kubuntu?
[02:15] <ogra> _jose, sudo apt-get install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin (from multiverse)
[02:16] <_jose> sorry, i get an error saying that it is not possible to find the package
[02:17] <raingrove> _jose u must make sure that mutliverse is enabled
[02:17] <ogra> you need mutiverse enabled
[02:17] <_jose> ok, how can i enable it? (i just installed kubuntu today, i come from fedora)
[02:19] <dipnlik_> !scanner
[02:19] <ubotu> dipnlik_: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:19] <dipnlik_> !sane
[02:19] <ubotu> dipnlik_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:19] <dipnlik_> can anyone point me to a scanner howto, or can I just install sane and run it?
[02:19] <raingrove> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?highlight=%28repositories%29
[02:19] <raingrove> _jose : go there and scroll down to kubuntu part
[02:20] <_jose> ok, thanks
[02:21] <_jose> and another question... when choosing between ubuntu and kubuntu, i read that it is possible to choose gnome or kde when starting a new session
[02:21] <_jose> but i can only choose kde, how can i change it?
[02:25] <_jose> ok, multiverse is enabled...
[02:27] <_jose> but still the same problem
[02:31] <mth`MAW> Hi
[02:33] <jjesse> hello
[03:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:52] <libben> ive placed Azerus folder in /usr/local/Azureus and symlinked the exec file to /usr/local/bin and when i try to tab it in terminal it works, and when i hit enter it fails to start. is this because it starts the file from /usr/local/bin and it tries to load the jar files that are in /usr/local/Azureus? is there anyway to tell the symlinked file it should start from the azureus folder?
[04:05] <neoncode> Hey i'm not sure if this is strictly the right chanel but does Unreal Tournament 2004 install on linux from the disk? I heard it did?
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC you download an installer, which then uses the packages on the disc
[04:06] <neoncode> IIRC?
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i remember correctly
[04:07] <neoncode> What's IIRC?
[04:08] <neoncode> Ohh
[04:08] <neoncode> I asked ubotu.
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:11] <pointwood> that's probably bash.org worthy :)
[04:12] <neoncode> >_<
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:14] <dipnlik> LOL!!!
[04:15] <neoncode> Is somone going to try to submit it then?
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, we will just tell you we will and watch you stew
[04:16] <Chousuke> If that's bash.org-worthy, no wonder bash.org quotes mostly suck :P
[04:17] <pointwood> hehe
[04:17] <dipnlik> Chousuke: you can always vote negatively :P
[04:17] <Chousuke> dipnlik: half of the quotes should be voted off the site :P
[04:17] <stupendo44> there was just a new minor kernel update, wasn't there? Do I need to restart for it to be useful?
[04:18] <dipnlik> Chousuke: read only the top ones via RSS :)
[04:18] <Chousuke> nah.
[04:18] <Chousuke> Finnish ircquotes are better ;P
[04:18] <dipnlik> Chousuke: link?
[04:19] <Chousuke> dipnlik: You understand Finnish? :P
[04:19] <Chousuke> (/whois is busy, too)
[04:20] <skypa> any of you guys know a nice ubuntu related documentation about software suspend?
[04:20] <neoncode> software suspend?
[04:21] <skypa> yes
[04:21] <ice9> I'm having trouble with k3b ? 
[04:21] <ClayG> Dont know any docs, and most of my stuff is a dirty method, do you mean in CLI?
[04:21] <dipnlik> Chousuke: sorry, I thought about english quotes on a finnish website
[04:21] <ice9> everytime I try to burn I get an error that say 
[04:21] <ice9> cdrecord does not have permissions to access this device 
[04:21] <skypa> ClayG, I want to set it up, I assume CLI is the way to go then :p
[04:21] <ice9> so i tried k3bsetup2 
[04:21] <Chousuke> dipnlik: nah. ;P
[04:22] <ice9> everytime I try to open that up its blank ? 
[04:22] <ice9> anyone know what I could do to solve this problem 
[04:22] <ClayG> skypa, I am asking do you mean suspend as in you start a program in CLI, maybe a text edit then drop back out of it into CLI but the program is in the background?
[04:22] <skypa> heh, nah ClayG 
[04:22] <ClayG> and get back into it? The guys in offtopic last night said screen is a better way, but I have been using the old ctrl-z  / fg combo
[04:22] <skypa> the suspend I'm talking about is writing your swap partition to the harddrive and turn off power
[04:23] <skypa> while recovering the swap partition on boot-up 
[04:23] <_jose> hi all, anyone could help me with j2re and firefox in kubuntu?
[04:23] <ClayG> Hmm not familar with that, Sorry.
[04:23] <skypa> np :)
[04:23] <skypa> just for the record: http://wiki.suspend2.net/DistroAndHardwareSetup/Ubuntu_Breezy_Badger
[04:23] <ClayG> Nalioth<when awake>, Hobbsee, robotgeek ; look for them they have been able to help me alot
[04:23] <_jose> i have followed some tutorials, but still firefox is saying that i there is a plugin missing...
[04:24] <ClayG> that's a bitch
[04:24] <ClayG> the j2r with firefox, says to install then it says you need to manually install
[04:24] <_jose> yes, i download it from sun web page
[04:24] <_jose> and did all the instructions
[04:24] <_jose> i activated java in the preferences of firefox
[04:25] <_jose> but it is still asking for plugins...
[04:25] <ClayG> Honestly I dont remember how I fixed that. I think I took the easy route and just apt-get'ed it.  Have you searched synaptic or apt-get for a j2r-firefox-plugin?
[04:25] <ClayG> I only realized i needed it to access my hushmail
[04:25] <ClayG> I dont use java that much
[04:25] <_jose> yes... i need it for my bank web page...
[04:26] <_jose> but i did the same steps in fedora and it worked without problems..
[04:26] <_jose> i tryed apt-get but it didn't find anything...
[04:27] <ClayG> What is you bank account name and password, I'll check it for you
[04:27] <_jose> jeje :D
[04:27] <_jose> ok
[04:27] <ClayG> heh
[04:28] <skypa> I was wondering, the dialog which pops up when conecting i.e. a mass storage device.. would it be possible to give that dialog a sound while appearing?
[04:29] <skypa> oh, and I don't know if the dialog is kde 3.5 specific :>
[04:29] <_jose> ok, i will try to do it again from the begining... i will inform if i get it done...
[04:29] <_jose> BTW, i have also problems with amarok-xine!
[04:30] <ClayG> amarok-xine?
[04:30] <ClayG> I thought were 2 seperate programs
[04:30] <_jose> i have installed also amarok.xine, i can choose the engine xine in amarok, but when trying to play mp3, it is not working...
[04:31] <_jose> there is a plugin so amarok can play mp3
[04:32] <ClayG> shit, any of you guys install deb packages?
[04:32] <ClayG> One of the guys on OT told me not to mess with non-ubuntu packages
[04:33] <skypa> _jose, install libmad0
[04:33] <skypa> it enables the mp3 support
[04:33] <_jose> ah, thanks
[04:33] <_jose> for amarok?
[04:34] <skypa> for everything :
[04:34] <skypa> :)
[04:34] <_jose> ah, good :D
[04:35] <_jose> ok, i did, how can i choose now that engine in amarok? it doesn't appear on the list
[04:35] <skypa> well, what engine can you choose?
[04:36] <skypa> gstreamer at least?
[04:36] <_jose> gstreamer and xine
[04:36] <_jose> yes
[04:37] <_jose> but it doesn't play the mp3's either...
[04:37] <_jose> it is just jumping from song to song in the play list
[04:39] <_jose> ok! now it works with the xine engine!!
[04:39] <_jose> thanks :D
[04:39] <skypa> yw :)
[04:40] <_jose> and now the last question :D how can i set up gnome in kubuntu?
[04:41] <_jose> i installed gnome desktop using the package manager
[04:41] <jocho> help with konqueror + flash plugin
[04:41] <_jose> but i don't know how to start the session with gnome
[04:41] <skypa> kde menu -> logout and then click the session button
[04:41] <ClayG> isn't it under sessions?
[04:41] <ClayG> I installed kde with ubuntu
[04:42] <_jose> no, under sessions i can only choose kde
[04:42] <_jose> or default or fail_something
[04:45] <bergfloh> is it normal that kubuntu uses about 400MB RAM without starting kdm, and about 900MB with kde started and a few konqueror windows and kmail open?!
[04:46] <ClayG> Hmm that must be something that like a setting to allow it to eat like that
[04:47] <ClayG> I only have 768 and it runs fine for me
[04:47] <ClayG> of coarse , and I'd hate to say this here.  It doesn't seem as fast and windows
[04:47] <ClayG> some programs are "near windows" speed, lol like gnomebaker
[04:47] <bergfloh> my computer freezes every day while going out of memory (i have 1 GB RAM...) thats crazy
[04:48] <ClayG> pc133?
[04:48] <ClayG> heh just messing with you
[04:52] <tvo> bergfloh: amd64?
[04:53] <bergfloh> tvo: no, p4
[04:53] <tvo> bergfloh: nevermind then, I read something about insane memory usage on amd64 a while ago
[04:54] <ClayG> anyoen here use vcdgearor tovid?
[04:54] <tvo> bergfloh: never heard anything about p4, it isn't normal tho, I run KDE perfectly fine for hours on 384 MB RAM..
[04:55] <bergfloh> tvo: as i said, the computer eats up 400 MB before starting a xserver!
[04:56] <bergfloh> tvo: and every small browser window takes about 30MB
[04:56] <tvo> bergfloh: unfortunately, I've no clue as of what causes it (unless it's the same bug as on amd64)
[04:56] <ICE9> how do I upgrade to the 64 bit version 
[04:57] <bergfloh> tvo: hmmm :-)
[05:01] <tvo> can't find the bug report or mail..
[05:01] <tvo> I'd report a bug..
[05:02] <jjesse> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <bergfloh> tvo: but first i should figure out what the problem is...
[05:02] <ICE9> can anyone tell me can you upgrade to 64 bit version using apt-get ? 
[05:02] <ICE9> if you can whats the command 
[05:03] <jjesse> you currently have a 32 bit version installed on a 64-bit processor?
[05:03] <ICE9> yes
[05:03] <bergfloh> you need a new kernel?
[05:03] <ICE9> can you upgrade by apt-get 
[05:03] <ICE9> or no
[05:04] <ICE9> and how do I do it 
[05:04] <ICE9> ???
[05:07] <bergfloh> ICE9: i guess you have to build a new kernel by hand, but try  apt-cache search kernel amd or s.th. like that
[05:07] <ICE9> k 
[05:10] <ICE9> hmm 
[05:10] <bergfloh> ICE9: http://linuxcentral.com/catalog/index.php3?prod_code=L000-509
[05:11] <bergfloh> there seems to be a amd64 version of kubuntu, but i don't know...
[05:11] <bergfloh> bye
[05:14] <ninher> hi all
[05:20] <Fillado> !CD ripper
[05:21] <ubotu> I don't know, Fillado
[05:21] <Fillado> !ripping
[05:21] <ubotu> Fillado: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:21] <Fillado> hmm
[05:21] <arthurb>  k3b
[05:21] <arthurb> oh ripping
[05:22] <arthurb> amarok
[05:22] <Fillado> don't think that rips?
[05:22] <Fillado> and kaudiocreator is a bit light on the settings...
[05:24] <arthurb> amarok rips
[05:24] <arthurb> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/FAQ#How_can_I_rip.2Fencode_Audio-CDs_with_amaroK.3F
[05:30] <Fillado> thanks :)
[05:31] <flixor> hi everybody 
[05:32] <flixor> are there commandline tools for playing .ra files on linux
[05:32] <flixor> or is there a way to hide all gui from for example xine, because its a radio stream 
[05:33] <ClayG> anyone know if Tovid can handle svcd/.bins?
[05:36] <arthurb> flixor: you can install realplayer or helixplayer
[05:36] <arthurb> mplayer is commande line too
[05:36] <flixor> yes but my mplayer is not playing ra files 
[05:36] <flixor> xine does play it 
[05:36] <arthurb> what about minimizing xine-ui ?
[05:36] <flixor> but i want to hide all output 
[05:36] <flixor> no no options
[05:37] <flixor> i only just want to hear the music 
[05:37] <arthurb> minimize it
[05:37] <flixor> no gui or what so ever 
[05:37] <flixor> no options 
[05:37] <arthurb> what do you mean no option
[05:37] <flixor> i will run this from a script
[05:37] <arthurb> just click on the underscore looking icon on the right of the window
[05:37] <arthurb> oh
[05:37] <flixor> not as a person 
[05:37] <flixor> sorry i had to be more precise :)
[05:38] <arthurb> can't mplayer be specified to use the xine engine ?
[05:38] <flixor> dunno, maybe let me check 
[05:40] <arthurb> xine -p h
[05:40] <fenglong> hi, i want to know how Evolution notify me, on taskbar, when a receive a new mail
[05:40] <arthurb> from man xine "hide gui"
[05:40] <fenglong> may anyone help me?
[05:40] <arthurb> - p hwq    no gui no video quit after playing  
[05:58] <flixor> cool 
[05:59] <Delvien> morning all
[06:20] <l3m> is there a special kernel for the server version of ubuntu? if yes, what's it called? 
[06:25] <l3m> !server
[06:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[06:34] <asimon> l3m: I don't see any special 'server' linux-image in the repo, thus I would say: no, there is no special server kernel.
[06:37] <thompa-A> all these server packages you can get from 5.10 
[06:38] <thompa-A> anyone running 6.04? 
[06:38] <asimon> There will be a special server-kernel for Dapper, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelServerRoadmap
[06:39] <thompa-A> ive got both dapper and 5.10, trying to decide which to go for on my laptop
[06:39] <asimon> thompa-A: I run current dapper
[06:39] <thompa-A> asimon: have you noticed any performance changes
[06:40] <asimon> thompa-A: If you want a reliable system, want to do some work on your laptop, then go for 5.10
[06:40] <kkathman> thompa-A: I think dapper is like very early right now, not due to be out until March but you can download it I suppose
[06:40] <l3m> yeah i read about the dapper server, but i'm just installing kubuntu on a desktop machine, i still have a firewall machine to setup and i was wondering if i should take debian or kubu server....
[06:40] <kkathman> Get the breezy (5.10) but do not upgrade to the new kernal thats available, its very unstable 
[06:40] <asimon> thompa-A: Dapper boots a little bit faster, otherwise I haven't perceived any performace increase.
[06:40] <thompa-A> asimon: can you run dapper with ubuntu-desktop also
[06:41] <l3m> during breezy installation i can choose a "server" installation
[06:41] <thompa-A> im going to stick with 5.10 and up kde to 3.5
[06:41] <l3m> i was wondering if it's just a different pkg selection or if it's really server installation, i.e. with a secure patched kernel
[06:41] <asimon> thompa-A: I have ubuntu-desktop installed, yes, but I use kde. Haven't used gnome for weeks, thus I can't tell you if and how broken gnome is currently under dapper.
[06:41] <kkathman> thompa-A: kde 3.5 is in release candidate state, and unstable also
[06:42] <thompa-A> what do you guys use for a mail client?
[06:42] <kkathman> Kontact
[06:42] <asimon> l3m: Just different package selection, like no gnome desktop etc. The kernel is the same. But the plan is to have a special server kernel for dapper, but it's not there yet.
[06:42] <thompa-A> evolution was causing me some problems
[06:42] <l3m> kmail
[06:43] <l3m> asimon: ok. thanks for the info
[06:43] <thompa-A> thanks for the info
[06:43] <asimon> kontact/kmail here. Sometimes thunderbird.
[06:43] <l3m> thompa-A: kmail is great, but you'd probably have to upgrade to kde 3.5rc, since kmail in 3.4 doesn't have imap filtering .. 
[06:43] <kkathman> kmail is the mail client in Kontact I believe :)
[06:43] <kkathman> I used thunderbird at one time, and it was just fine also.
[06:43] <l3m> kkathman: indeed ;)
[06:43] <asimon> Yes, kkathman.
[06:43] <thompa-A> i need a calender
[06:44] <thompa-A> think ill try kontact
[06:44] <kkathman> thompa-A: then use Kontact it is integrated with kmail and RSS Feeds, Calendar, etc
[06:44] <thompa-A> yep thanks
[06:44] <asimon> The calender in kontact seems to work fine, but I am no power user when it comes to calendering.
[06:44] <thompa-A> im a heavy outlook user
[06:44] <kkathman> asimon: do you also have a breezy installation?
[06:44] <asimon> kkathman: yes.
[06:45] <thompa-A> but evolution crashed too often in ubuntu
[06:45] <kkathman> asimon: did you upgrade to the new kernal that went out yesterday?
[06:45] <kkathman> thompa-A: yes evolution has a few issues
[06:45] <l3m> evolution is sloooooooow
[06:45] <kkathman> yes it is
[06:46] <kkathman> morning nalioth :)
[06:46] <asimon> kkathman: No, still on the old one... I remember to do an update when I boot into breezy again.
[06:46] <jpatrick> morning all
[06:46] <kkathman> asimon: you might want to think twice, many people are having problems with their systems breaking with the new kernal
[06:46] <_ninher> jpatrick: morning? where r u ?
[06:46] <asimon> I don't like evolutions keyboard shortcuts. I just can't get used to them.
[06:46] <kkathman> hey jpatrick :)
[06:47] <asimon> kkathman: Ah, thanks for the hint. 
[06:47] <jpatrick> _ninher: Spain
[06:47] <_ninher> me too...so.....morning?
[06:48] <jpatrick> well kkathman said morning
[06:48] <jpatrick> brb - supper
[06:48] <_ninher> ok
[06:48] <kkathman> jpatrick: yep.. almost noon her tho
[06:49] <thompa-A> i got only the ubuntu cd here it seems
[06:49] <thompa-A> is it ok to install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <thompa-A> then remove ubuntu
[06:49] <thompa-A> or is that messy?
[06:50] <asimon> thompa-A: Installing kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu is fine, that's what I did too.
[06:50] <thompa-A> installer is all the same isnt it?
[06:51] <asimon> Yes, it's exactly the same, just other boot graphics and other desktop.
[06:51] <thompa-A> asimon:thanks
[06:56] <Kmirno> Hellooooo
[06:59] <l3m>  hi
[07:06] <aay> i found debian repository that has amaok 1.3.6.  is it safe to use that on kubuntu or should i stick with the official kubuntu releases?
[07:07] <spiritz> aay: it should be fine
[07:08] <aay> spiritz, cool.
[07:08] <kkathman> morning manveru :)
[07:09] <asimon> aay: If it doesn't work you can always remove it again
[07:09] <aay> asimon, yep.
[07:10] <kkathman> lol
[07:16] <slow-motion> re
[07:21] <aay> spiritz, asimon screw it.  dependency probs.  i'm going back to the kubuntu 1.3.5 packages.  there were just a couple of bug fixes i wanted but i'll wait or just install from source.
[07:22] <spiritz> aay: I'm using 1.3.6
[07:22] <spiritz> I'll give you my package link
[07:22] <spiritz> maybe it will work better
[07:22] <aay> spiritz, cool.
[07:22] <aay> thanks
[07:23] <spiritz> deb http://ubuntu.czessi.net/ breezy stable stable-updates unstable unstable-updates
[07:23] <spiritz> aay: I got it from there ^^
[07:24] <aay> spiritz,  great.  let me try that out.
[07:24] <spiritz> aay: if that doesn't work I can even give you the file
[07:24] <aay> it should work.
[07:24] <spiritz> http://ubuntu.czessi.net/pool/breezy/stable-updates/amarok_1.3.6-0czessi1_i386.deb
[07:26] <aay> spiritz, apt-get -s upgrade says it's going to install fine.  plus i'll get some upgrades for kaffeine.  who's doing this repository i wonder.
[07:27] <jamie> any idea if software RAID might contribute to SATA hard drive failures? Happened to my twice, the two times I've done it with SATA
[07:27] <spiritz> aay: that's a german stuff but as I don't speak german I don't know much :)
[07:27] <spiritz> aay: u should check out the package list from the website, there's other interesting packages
[07:28] <aay> yeah i just looked it up.  i don't speak german either.
[07:29] <spiritz> aay: package list is there : http://ubuntu.czessi.net/breezy.php?i18n=de
[07:29] <aay> hmm.  k9copy.  i was trying to get that working too.
[07:29] <aay> nice.
[07:29] <angleofdeath> any idea if software RAID might contribute to SATA hard drive failures? Happened to my twice, the two times I've done it with SATA
[07:30] <spiritz> aay: yakuake is nice too
[07:30] <aay> yakuake?  what's that?
[07:31] <nalioth> yakuake is a pulldown console (ala quake)
[07:31] <aay> nice
[07:35] <aay> spiritz, good stuff.  thanks again for the repository.  1.3.6 works fine.  just installed k9copy too.
[07:36] <angleofdeath> yakuake rocks! just tried it out ;-)
[07:37] <angleofdeath> control-shift-N doesn't work as in console? (new term)
[07:37] <l3m> ctrl alt n
[07:38] <l3m> actually, both work
[07:38] <angleofdeath> l3m: hmm, neither work for me. i get beeps
[07:38] <angleofdeath> l3m: i can click on a term name and rename it but control-alt-s doesn't work to rename either.
[07:39] <angleofdeath> they work in konsole
[07:39] <angleofdeath> oh, well.
[07:39] <angleofdeath> minor quibble ;-) this is awesome
[07:39] <angleofdeath> shift-arrows work though
[07:39] <l3m> ah sorry didn't realize it was related to yakuake
[07:39] <angleofdeath> ahh ;-)
[07:40] <angleofdeath> oh, the shift-arrows don't wrap around like with konsole
[07:42] <nxv_> hi, is there any trouble with kdevelop: it complains about missing plugins. http://img498.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot28no.png
[07:42] <nxv_> kdevelop3-plugins is already the newest version.
[07:47] <l3m> i have a weird problem. i just installed kubuntu on my desktop machine and i can't set shortcuts using alt and win key at the same time. it worked fine on my laptop... ?
[08:11] <Delvien> ack aRTs engine doesnt have a equalizer :(
[08:14] <ubuntu> hi all
[08:14] <ubuntu> i need help
[08:14] <Flixor-> lol 
[08:14] <Flixor-> are you not a bot
[08:14] <ubuntu> i can't mount my hda
[08:15] <ubuntu> Flixor, u talking to me ?
[08:15] <Flixor-> yes, i thought you where a bot 
[08:15] <ubuntu> no i'm a new user !
[08:16] <Flixor-> kee how did you try to mount your hd
[08:16] <ubuntu> and i don't know how to chang the nick
[08:16] <Flixor->  /nick whatever 
[08:16] <Flixor-> but without the spaces for /nick 
[08:17] <ubuntu> frist i maked a folder on my descktop and i caled 'e' => konsole su 
[08:17] <levi> gooood afternoon yall
[08:18] <levi> i recently updated to kde3.5 and now my kmail wont work
[08:18] <levi> any fixes for that
[08:18] <Flixor-> ehm ubuntu i dont understand you completly could you elaborate on what your problem is 
[08:19] <ubuntu> i'm to add my manuly to fastb but how i will mount it if i dont have the root pass ??
[08:19] <ubuntu> trying*
[08:19] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ubuntu about root
[08:19] <Flixor-> ah ubuto was the bot lol 
[08:19] <nalioth> ubotu: there is no root account, read what ubotu sent in a private message, please
[08:19] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, nalioth
[08:19] <nalioth> crap
[08:20] <nalioth> ubuntu: type "/nick YOUR_NEW_NICK" please
[08:20] <ubuntu> okay
[08:20] <ubuntu> okay
[08:20] <Flixor-> anyway ubuntu kubuntu does not work with root but instead uses sudo 
[08:20] <levi> anyone know what is up with kmail on 3.5?
[08:21] <mvl> sudo ... mmm okay i will read the link frist then i will try sudo, thanx
[08:22] <whoiam55> jpatrick: hello
[08:22] <jpatrick> whoiam55: boo
[08:22] <whoiam55> I ruined my system :(
[08:22] <nalioth> mvl: help.ubuntu.com  is quite informative
[08:22] <jpatrick> whoiam55: woah
[08:23] <whoiam55> it's 1:00 AM and I'm burning a kubuntu ISO to reinstall my system ;)
[08:23] <mvl> thanx alot for links and help 
[08:23] <whoiam55> I don't know why, but everytime I try to recompile my kernel may program refuse to start, even after choosing old kernel :(
[08:24] <whoiam55> many programs*
[08:24] <levi> what does break install mean?
[08:24] <levi> why are some packages being held back from my upgrade?
[08:26] <whoiam55> levi: you probably have to use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade thoses packages as well
[08:26] <nalioth> levi: could be many things, are you using only official K/ubuntu pkgs?
[08:26] <whoiam55> can yoube more precise why you mean by broken packages ?
[08:26] <whoiam55> what you mean*
[08:27] <levi> yeah
[08:27] <levi> last night i upgraded to 3.5
[08:27] <levi> The following packages have been kept back:
[08:27] <levi>   akregator ark arts artsbuilder kaddressbook kamera kappfinder karm kate
[08:27] <levi>   kaudiocreator kcontrol kcron kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase kdebase-bin
[08:27] <levi>   kdebase-dev kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs
[08:27] <levi>   kdelibs-bin kdelibs4-dev kdelibs4c2 kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[08:27] <levi>   kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdenetwork-kfile-plugins
[08:28] <levi>   kdepasswd kdepim-kio-plugins kdepim-wizards kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind
[08:28] <jpatrick> flood
[08:28] <jpatrick> wow nalioth :)
[08:28] <nalioth> jpatrick: wow what?
[08:28] <levi> sorry
[08:28] <nalioth> levi: please dont paste in here?
[08:29] <levi> i know
[08:29] <levi> i said it was a mispaste
[08:29] <levi> tried to past a one liner from the pastebin
[08:30] <levi> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4926
[08:30] <libben> ive placed Azerus folder in /usr/local/Azureus and symlinked the exec file to /usr/local/bin and when i try to tab it in terminal it works, and when i hit enter it fails to start. is this because it starts the file from /usr/local/bin and it tries to load the jar files that are in /usr/local/Azureus? is there anyway to tell the symlinked file it should start from the azureus folder?
[08:30] <levi> there we go
[08:30] <levi> check out that pastebin please
[08:31] <levi> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4927
[08:31] <levi> that one is more precise
[08:32] <nalioth> libben: did you symlink the azureus.sh or the actual azureus.jar ?
[08:33] <libben> i symlinked the file azuerus
[08:33] <libben> no .sh or jar
[08:33] <nalioth> libben: when you unpack azureus, it has an azureus folder and a azureus script
[08:34] <nalioth> libben: inside the folder is azureus.jar. one starts az by clicking or calling on the script
[08:34] <bl3ssing> how can I watch on wmv/mpg files?
[08:34] <bl3ssing> hello anyone, by the way.
[08:34] <bl3ssing> still sleeping
[08:34] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:34] <libben> when i start azureus i type ./azuerus in the folder
[08:35] <xtacocorex> bl3ssing: what program do you want to use to view the movies?
[08:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about multimedia
[08:36] <libben> nalioth: i just cat azureus, thats the scrupt one. 
[08:36] <xtacocorex> bl3ssing: i use mplayer, which you can get from the repositories if you've enabled universe in sources.list
[08:36] <nalioth> libben: symlinking to the script should have you going
[08:37] <neoncode> Will Doom 3 run on linux?
[08:37] <levi> can anyone help me with my upgrade?
[08:37] <levi> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4927
[08:37] <nalioth> neoncode: yes
[08:38] <xtacocorex> levi: i looked at the pastebin, but don't know what is going wrong
[08:38] <levi> man
[08:38] <levi> thanks for taking a look bro
[08:38] <xtacocorex> levi: are you using the default sources.list that came in (i'm assuming you're using breezy)
[08:38] <raphink> my comp needs crashing while playing cube :(
[08:38] <levi> yeah
[08:39] <raphink> I was almost done with this level :(
[08:39] <levi> and no i am not using the default
[08:39] <levi> can you pastebin the default
[08:39] <neoncode> nalioth: Yay!
[08:39] <levi> and i will try it then
[08:39] <xtacocorex> levi: i'm not using the default either
[08:39] <bl3ssing> I miss some streams ... maybe plugins ... and I can't play. which program isthe best for kubuntu to play ... wmv/mpg and all the others? is there any one?
[08:39] <bl3ssing> xtacocorex,  thanks for ...
[08:39] <nalioth> bl3ssing: what hardware are you running?
[08:42] <xtacocorex> lexi: i use the sources.list from http://www.psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[08:42] <nalioth> !sources
[08:42] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:42] <bl3ssing> I have a Ati Radeon 128 Mb
[08:42] <bl3ssing> video card
[08:42] <bl3ssing> and ... sound ... I don't know. But it is a new laptop: HP nw8000
[08:42] <levi> thANKS
[08:43] <levi> is there a way to permanently chaNGE The xmodmap?
[08:43] <nalioth> bl3ssing: amd64, x86, via, transmeta, what?
[08:43] <libben> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4928
[08:44] <bl3ssing> intel pentium M
[08:44] <bl3ssing> 1800 processor
[08:44] <bl3ssing> 2048 cache
[08:44] <bl3ssing> 2L
[08:44] <bl3ssing> and so on
[08:44] <nalioth> libben: what kind of java do you have?
[08:45] <osh> Shouldn't I be able to ping "localhost"?
[08:45] <nalioth> bl3ssing: if you read that multimedia factoid ubotu sent you, you should be fixed up
[08:45] <nalioth> bl3ssing: some microsoft stuff is problematic under linux
[08:46] <libben> nalioth: java version "1.5.0_05"
[08:47] <nalioth> libben: sun java, ibm java, blackdown ?
[08:47] <libben> sun
[08:47] <osh> nalioth: I think blackdown is 1.4
[08:48] <libben> also, azureus works perfect. ive run it everyday. just now i wanted to make it to the /usr/local/bin so i could get it globally
[08:48] <nalioth> libben: can you run azureus by clicking on /azureus/azureus   ?
[08:48] <libben> so i moved the folder to /usr/local/Azureus and symlinked it to /usr/local/bin 
[08:49] <libben> nalioth:  i can run it by typing ./azureus within its folder. so i would probably be able to clickstart it also
[08:50] <nalioth> libben: i dont run java apps all that much, but you should be able to either a: symlink to the script or tha jar or b: modify the script to look in /azureus  and move the script to /usr/local/bin
[08:51] <libben> or just export path /usr/local/azureus?
[08:51] <libben> but i would like to get it working with symlinking it.
[08:52] <nalioth> libben: if your symlink is in /usr/local/bin/ you should nt have to, but you could try it
[08:52] <levi> got it working
[08:52] <levi> thanks
[08:52] <levi> everyone
[08:53] <libben> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4930
[08:53] <libben> its probably the first lines that are important
[08:53] <osh> Stupid question, but does kubuntu have some sort of firewall enabled by default?
[08:53] <levi> how can i tell if samba is installed or not on my machine?
[08:53] <libben> but dont get it why it wouldent catch up with what to load
[08:54] <osh> levi: ps -eaf | grep -i smb
[08:54] <osh> levi: if it's running.
[08:54] <osh> levi: or have a look in /etc/init.d/ for a "samba" entry.
[08:55] <nalioth> osh: it does not. 'firewalls' are unnecessary in a default install
[08:55] <levi> i dont see any
[08:55] <osh> nalioth: then I don't understand why I can't ping 127.0.0.1
[08:55] <bl3ssing> lol osh
[08:55] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:55] <nalioth> libben: back up the original script and put your java path in at the top
[08:56] <levi> osh: should i then install the package?
[08:56] <nalioth> osh: even with a firewall enabled and locked down, you should always be able to ping 127.0.0.1
[08:56] <levi> if so which package?
[08:56] <nalioth> osh: you have other problems
[08:56] <libben> nalioth: how to tell my java path?
[08:57] <nalioth> libben: which java
[08:57] <levi> only the samba-common package is installled?
[08:57] <osh> nalioth: Obviously I do have some other problem then. 
[08:57] <libben> sun java selfdownloaded and putted into path
[08:57] <levi> i mean !\
[08:57] <libben> doh =)
[08:57] <libben> i could allways check my path =)
[08:58] <libben> it says/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin
[08:58] <libben> so i should put that one in there
[08:58] <nalioth> try and see, libben 
[08:59] <osh> levi: I think you need some more packages to run a samba server but I'm not sure. I don't have any windows boxes at home.
[09:01] <osh> Hmm, it appears that my pings to localhost is routed to my switch. Strange.
[09:02] <nalioth> osh: that is strange
[09:03] <thompa-A> i just installed kubuntu 5.10
[09:03] <thompa-A> adept says there are no updates, is this corret?
[09:03] <osh> nalioth: It's being routed to my default gateway.
[09:04] <nalioth> thompa-A: you should have very few updates per month. only security updates are now shipping
[09:04] <thompa-A> well its a fresh install
[09:04] <nalioth> thompa-A: then no, you should see no updates
[09:05] <thompa-A> my network settings require administrator mode.
[09:05] <thompa-A> but its still greyed out 
[09:06] <thompa-A> it says changes require root acess
[09:06] <nalioth> thompa-A: use kdesu 
[09:06] <thompa-A> ok
[09:06] <jpatrick> thompa-A: have you got the patch?
[09:07] <sampan> there was a bug with admin mode in fresh 5.10 breezy -- updating fixed it for me
[09:07] <thompa-A> well i show no updates
[09:07] <ice9> !help
[09:07] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[09:07] <thompa-A> wait, maybe because my networking setup failed in install
[09:08] <thompa-A> if network device fails during install, then repos for adept are off
[09:09] <thompa-A> i get a dcop error on starting adept
[09:09] <libben> nalioth: it worked when i added the path for azureus in teh script. weird though
[09:09] <thompa-A> now it starts, nevermind
[09:09] <libben> badly designed script from the start i would say also.
[09:10] <nalioth> libben: i dont like azureus and never have
[09:11] <carsten> hi
[09:11] <ClayG> please work
[09:11] <ClayG> pleeeease work
[09:11] <nalioth> ClayG: what is up?
[09:11] <libben> well, it has some great features, and im sure many other torrent clients has. but this one ive allways used. i like the rss plugin that fetches my daily shows.
[09:11] <ClayG> Trying to get vcdgear to workj
[09:11] <carsten> i am an ubuntu / kubuntu noob. but i have a serious problem. everytime i use konqueror, my graphics look dostorted
[09:12] <ClayG> Looks like I'm getting closer but no apple
[09:12] <thompa-A> in adept everything but cdrom is greyed out in repos
[09:12] <carsten> there are red, blue and yellow lines everywhere
[09:12] <osh> thompa-A: can't you "enable" them?
[09:12] <ClayG> nalioth, maybe you can recommend something, I need a program to convert .bin's to .mpg
[09:12] <ClayG> Vcdgear is what I've always used on doze, but It is not working here
[09:12] <carsten> when i restart the x server , no problem at all.
[09:13] <carsten> currently i try open office, and konversation, and the problem doesnt occur
[09:13] <thompa-A> osh: how?, they dont have hash marks in front just greyed
[09:13] <ClayG> oh wait, looks like the cue file is garbage
[09:13] <thompa-A> i wish i has synaptic
[09:14] <carsten> i have an nvidia geforce 6600GT PCI-express card.
[09:14] <osh> thompa-A: right-click and choose "enable"? I use aptitude myself so I don't really know.
[09:15] <thompa-A> the ubuntu install is better, in kubuntu my networking is always broke
[09:15] <nalioth> ClayG: binchunker
[09:16] <ClayG> even for .mpg's?
[09:16] <ClayG> that are in bins?
[09:16] <thompa-A> osh: so its a stupid right click, thanks
[09:16] <ClayG> someone said it can convert a bin to an iso, but that isn't what i want
[09:16] <ClayG> Here is something weird, lol
[09:16] <ClayG> Every attempt using vcdgear has not worked
[09:16] <nalioth> ClayG: mount the iso, extract the contents
[09:16] <ClayG> but the file is in the directory
[09:16] <ClayG> so something must have worked
[09:17] <ClayG> but when you mount a .bin that is really an svcd doesn't it create a psuedo-filesystem
[09:17] <ClayG> and you cant do that?
[09:17] <ClayG> I just want the straight up .mpg 
[09:17] <thompa-A> adept says only to uncomment lines, nothing about right click enable
[09:17] <osh> thompa-A: you're welcome. I'm a kubuntu newbie myself.
[09:18] <ClayG> either way tovid is kicking some butt right now, or it seems
[09:18] <ClayG> I'll check out binchunker, never can have enough tools
[09:19] <thompa-A> osh: well ive used kde before, this is punishment
[09:19] <thompa-A> still no updates but i know i need the administrator one
[09:20] <osh> thompa-A: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:20] <thompa-A> thansk
[09:20] <thompa-A> they are still greyed out in adept even after enable and then apply, no way to reload
[09:22] <nalioth> thompa-A: visit kubuntu.org    there is an article or forum post on this
[09:22] <thompa-A> it says i have no updates
[09:22] <ClayG> nalioth,  so , eggdrops are normally screened?
[09:22] <thompa-A> im just going to install synaptic
[09:22] <ClayG> just trying to see the benefit to screen over the ctr-z / fg way
[09:24] <thompa-A> nalioth: its working now, adept is broke on install if network is now initially detected it seems
[09:24] <nalioth> screened?
[09:25] <ClayG> Yes 
[09:25] <ClayG> you said screen was easier than the way I was multitasking in cli
[09:26] <ClayG> I can't see any advantages except maybe being able to acces it from another terminal and <not sure, but looks like it> being able to have a program/script/bot running even when you reboot and resume when you'd like
[09:26] <nalioth> screen does not survive reboots
[09:27] <nalioth> screen will survive your gf/flatmate/random_user logging on and doing their thing(s)
[09:27] <DjDarkman> hy ,i`ve installed phpbb on my webserver with adept ,the problem is ,that i don`t know where to access it cause i don`t see it in my /var/www/ can u help me?
[09:28] <treefrog> hey guys.. was loking at the updates available. have not done any for about two 2weeks. They look serious.. any feed back on them.. r they ok or even very good or do I leave it for a while??
[09:28] <ClayG> loging on? only using your account right?
[09:28] <thompa-A> now i get 73 updates available, thats more like it
[09:29] <ClayG> tovid is laying down justice !
[09:30] <ClayG> This is all I need to sever my ties, my encode software
[09:30] <DjDarkman> i`ve installed phpbb on my webserver with adept ,the problem is ,that i don`t know where to access it cause i don`t see it in my /var/www/ can u help me?
[09:30] <thompa-A> i think thats a ver bad bug for kubuntu, because you cant even see the administrator button,
[09:30] <carsten> okay, everytime i start konqueror, after some seconds, my screen looks like http://www.carstenpohl.de/screenshot52AkVa.png
[09:30] <thompa-A> for networking
[09:30] <carsten> and, no that png is not corrupt. it is exactly what i see after i run konqueror
[09:31] <ClayG> DjDarkman,  you can install it with adept? wow
[09:31] <sampan> carsten, ouch! that hurts the eyes
[09:31] <ClayG> You should give SMF a shot, nice software also
[09:31] <DjDarkman> ClayG: yes
[09:31] <ClayG> and mods snap on
[09:31] <DjDarkman> i can install it ,but i cant find it
[09:31] <carsten> sampan: yeah, true, but i can use everything else. open office, all of it.
[09:32] <DjDarkman> after installed it i can find only parts of it
[09:32] <ClayG> not sure locally, but I know when setting it up remotely it's located /public_html/phpbb/install.php
[09:32] <ClayG> if you installed it in /phpbb
[09:32] <sorush20> my kde has become very slow I don't know what to do at the moment can someone help please?
[09:32] <ClayG> oh it's installed already
[09:32] <sampan> carsten, :(  sorry i can't help (i'm newb), but i sympathize -- that would (a) annoy me (b) frustrate me and (c) make me want new retinas
[09:32] <ClayG> should be in your public_html or <hopefully> lower directories
[09:32] <carsten> but when i start konqueror that happens. i am using that system RIGHT now? Konversation... No problem
[09:33] <ClayG> er I guess since it's a tree that would be higher wouldnt it, oh well
[09:33] <ClayG> Did it ask you to set up mysql databases usernames/pass's?
[09:34] <ClayG> why not drop to CLI and "locate phpbb" "locate index.php" "locate admin.php"
[09:35] <ClayG> or try /var/www/phpbb/index.php
[09:36] <sorush20> why has my computer become very slow at the moment ?
[09:37] <sorush20> are there ways that I could speed up kde?
[09:37] <sorush20> KDE load time?
[09:38] <treefrog> Hi are all these problems comeing after a recent update or are the current updates ok??
[09:40] <sampan> treefrog, the recent updates broke SCIM for me -- but aside from that, they were fine for me.  in fact, i ended out reinstalling fresh (to correct some huge problems -- unrelated) and applying the updates right away after fresh install was fine -- but, YMMV
[09:41] <osh> Can anyone paste their output from "netstat -rn"? I can't figure out why a ping to 127.0.0.1 goes out of the box.
[09:42] <dv_> hi
[09:42] <dv_> is there a way to get the Slick icon theme for kubuntu?
[09:42] <dv_> i cannot find it
[09:43] <ClayG> kde-art.org?
[09:43] <dv_> the link in kde-look.org is broken
[09:50] <osh> Odd, another box which similar /etc/hosts and routing table doesn't exhibit this behaviour. What other files are involved in the networking setup? 
[09:51] <bubblenut> Hey, I recently did a dist-upgrade to breezy and now I can't watch video on kaffeine, how do I solve this?
[09:54] <osh> bubblenut: I couldn't so I installed "vnc" instead. This link might help though. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <osh> s/vnc/vlc/g
[09:55] <carsten> how can i update kubuntu?
[09:55] <LjL> update to what?
[09:55] <osh> carsten: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[09:56] <osh> carsten: ehh, sorry. My bad. Disregard.
[09:56] <carsten> LjL: to the "newest" version
[09:56] <dv_> ah, how to install a window decoration?
[09:56] <dv_> I have a tar.gz
[09:56] <LjL> carsten: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:56] <dv_> I forgot where to put it so that the control center recognizes it
[09:56] <supo> hi, anyone free to help a lil? i'm having problem with graphics :/
[09:57] <carsten> LjL: thanks, updateing NOW
[09:57] <dv_> ah
[09:57] <dv_> missed the explanation
[09:58] <bubblenut> This is absurd, I could play video on hoary, why not on breezy? :(
[09:59] (dv_/#kubuntu) http://www.kde-look.org/help/index.php?type=40 <- there is no "kdm" folder in my ~/.kde/share/apps/ folder
[09:59] (dv_/#kubuntu) can I simply create it?
[10:00] <sorush20> guys I've install a binery software Its all in the same folder i unziped the source to, if I delete the folder will I have uninstalled the software?
[10:00] <bubblenut> YAY!! Just had to change kaffeine to use xine engine rather than gstreamer :)
[10:02] <qb> hmm... interesting
[10:04] <LjL> hmm interesting?
[10:07] <osh> I might have screwed up. I removed the "hostname" from /etc/hosts. Now I can't use sudo anymore since it can't lookup my hostname. Is there some way to recover without booting from the livecd?
[10:07] <nalioth> LjL: yes?
[10:08] <carsten> LjL: after i did what you told me to (update the system) do i have to restart kubuntu?
[10:08] <LjL> carsten: no, unless you're explicitely told so during the install
[10:08] <LjL> carsten: (i would reboot, anyway)
[10:09] <carsten> LjL:  okay, i will do that then, hope to see you in some seconds again. thanks for the help
[10:09] <LjL> np
[10:11] <dv_> wah
[10:11] <dv_> cannot change window decorations
[10:11] <dv_> the kde-look description doesnt work
[10:14] <carsten> oh great !! LJL !!! thank you !! the bug
[10:14] <carsten> its gone
[10:14] <carsten> i am SOOOOOO happy. thank you
[10:14] <carsten> oh no
[10:14] <carsten> its back
[10:15] <carsten> test
[10:16] <carsten> oh no its worse
[10:20] <denicola> Hi there!
[10:21] <denicola> Is there anybody in there???
[10:22] <nalioth> denicola: nope. we're all ghosts
[10:22] <Zeep> Bien sur
[10:22] <denicola> Noone's speaking?
[10:23] <denicola> Zeep: franais ?
[10:23] <Zeep> denicola: I'm swiss ;-)
[10:24] <denicola> Zeep: Speaking french?
[10:24] <Zeep> denicola: And my french is a bit bumpy ;-)
[10:24] <denicola> Zeep: English is OK with me.
[10:25] <Zeep> denicola: You are french, though -  did I guess right ;-9
[10:25] <denicola> You did! How?
[10:25] <denicola> Because of ''?
[10:25] <Zeep> denicola: Because you were asking - and there aren't many keybord layouts that feature  ;-)
[10:26] <denicola> Zeep: right.
[10:27] <Zeep> denicola: But now I gotta go - cu :-)
[10:27] <denicola> Zeep: cu!
[10:28] <LjL> anyone got ksplash-engine-moodin? now that's exactly the kind of splash screen i was looking for!
[10:30] <ninHer> hi all
[10:32] <sorush20> I'm trying to run sudo kate /etc/init.d , and I keep getting the message that kate has crashed so I have to run the thing from KDE menu
[10:32] <sorush20> can somone help please?
[10:32] <skypa> e
[10:33] <skypa> err, ignore that :p
[10:34] <LjL> sorush20: i don't know why it would crash, but how can you edit a directory?
[10:36] <sampan> sorush20, the few times my kate has crashed, the process still runs and i can't open anything with kate until i kill it.  you might try: ps aux | grep kate ... and then kill the process number 
[10:40] <carsten> How can i see which video driver i am currently using?
[10:41] <Stele> look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:41] <Stele> glxinfo might show it too
[10:42] <carsten> OMG glxinfo reports a lot of mistakes
[10:43] <carsten> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:45] <carsten> Stele: i dont think that works. i have installed 2 video drivers, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy how can i see which one is used?
[10:46] <Fillado> what graphics card do you have?
[10:47] <Fillado> as legacy is only really for olds ones like the Geforce 2
[10:47] <carsten> Fillado: geforce 6600 GT PCI-Express
[10:48] <Fillado> remove the legacy, then in a terminal type: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:49] <Fillado> that should make it all work nicely
[10:49] <carsten> Fillado: how can i remove the legacy ones?
[10:50] <Fillado> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx-legacy :)
[10:50] <carsten> i start to see a pattern there :)
[10:50] <Fillado> lol
[10:50] <asimon> Don't forget to remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686-nvidia-legacy if you have it installed too and install the non-legacy one.
[10:52] <carsten> should i remove nvidia-kernel-common , too?
[10:53] <Fillado> i'd say keep that
[10:53] <carsten> what does the rc in dpkg -l mean?
[10:53] <Fillado> wouldn't know
[10:54] <asimon> carsten: that the package is removed but configs for it are still there. If you want to remove them too use 'dpkg --purge <package>'.
[10:56] <knubbe> anyone who can recommend a nice cvs gui (its not a down-side if its similar to windows' "tortoise")
[10:58] <carsten> Fillado: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ----> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[10:59] <Fillado> yeah it should be - as it edits the xorg.conf file
[10:59] <Fillado> oh, error :\
[10:59] <carsten> i think i can do it.
[11:00] <carsten> there was some help
[11:00] <carsten> change driver from nv to nvidia. i can do this !
[11:00] <Fillado> i did it when booted in recovery mode...
[11:00] <Fillado> lol
[11:00] <carsten> okay, did all that. wish me luck, rebooting (reboot count in the last 1 hour = 20)
[11:03] <carsten> re
[11:03] <Fillado> at least you're back :)
[11:04] <carsten> something new happend. after i rebooted, i had an nvidia logo at the start
[11:04] <Fillado> woo - that means it's using the proper Nvidia driver :D
[11:04] <carsten> i guess i changed sth :) the nvidia logo wasnt there before
[11:04] <skypa> welcome to the world of 3d :p
[11:04] <Fillado> lol
[11:04] <carsten> and i think my problem with the broken graphics in X is solved !
[11:04] <skypa> what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
[11:05] <carsten> direct rendering : Yes 
[11:05] <skypa> well, there you go
[11:05] <carsten> i guess that is good?
[11:05] <Fillado> yup
[11:05] <Fillado> go download Wolf:ET and have some fun :D
[11:06] <carsten> thanks REALLY REALLY for the help guys. i dont know if you have seen the screenshots. but it was not fine
[11:06] <dennis_p> go to adpet and get planetpenguin-racer and extra levels
[11:06] <dennis_p> :-)
[11:06] <carsten> hehe. but now to my next problem. my sound is not working
[11:07] <skypa> and if you really bored, get some composite action working
[11:07] <skypa> real nice eyecandy in KDE :p
[11:07] <carsten> and my soundcard is onboard (problem 1) and by realtek (problem 2) 
[11:07] <Fillado> pop into Kmix...
[11:07] <Fillado> make sure Master and PCM are on and turned up a bit
[11:09] <carsten> there is PCM , but no master?
[11:10] <Fillado> hmm
[11:10] <carsten> lol it works
[11:10] <Fillado> :D
[11:10] <carsten> i understand. there is some 3d sound sth on my board, and i have things like center and LFE and all that
[11:11] <Fillado> yeah, centre wants to be disabled if you are just on stereo - as all voice goes through that if enabled
[11:11] <gsnedders> hi... I've been installing Kubuntu,  and it's got stuck on 57% - "preparing to configure kubuntu-desktop" - what should I do?
[11:12] <carsten> hmm i have no midi device?
[11:12] <skypa> waiting didn't do the job I assume?
[11:12] <Fillado> what's your hardware like?
[11:13] <gsnedders> skypa: waiting for 30 min didn't help...
[11:13] <gsnedders> Fillado: Duron 700mhz/64mb RAM/82GB Hitachi ATA HD
[11:13] <Fillado> hmm
[11:13] <Fillado> does KDE run on 64MB RAM?
[11:14] <Fillado> !ram
[11:14] <ubotu> Fillado: Not a clue
[11:14] <skypa> I'd say it rather sneaks :p
[11:14] <gsnedders> but why would it get stuck on configure?
[11:15] <skypa> did you configure a swap partition?
[11:16] <gsnedders> yeah
[11:18] <carsten> i have a hopefull last problem for today.
[11:20] <carsten> my system has an analoge monitor. i am happy with the resolution (1280x1024) i was able to set that while installing, but i am not happy with the refresh rate (which is currently at 60 Hz, according to the monitor)
[11:21] <carsten> i read in the net, that i have to change the xorg.conf, and that i need the data of hsync and vsync of my monitor from my manual. i still dont have my monitor manual anymore, but i found the data on the net http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=2142
[11:21] <osh> bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the place to go even for kubuntu bugs isn't it?
[11:22] <carsten> where do i have to enter this information?
[11:22] <Fillado> ^yes, unless they are KDE related :)
[11:23] <Fillado> carsten: I had to do that - was about to go blind with it at 60Hz
[11:23] <osh> Fillado: How do I know if it's a kde or an kubuntu bug?
[11:24] <Fillado> erm...
[11:25] <carsten> Fillado: cool, you know what i have to do? just edit the xorg.conf?
[11:26] <Fillado> yeah, i just found my monitor ranges, put them in, restarted, no more headache
[11:29] <carsten> in the section Monitor?
[11:29] <carsten> and you didnt change modeline?
[11:30] <slow-motion> n8
[11:30] <Fillado> just edited the horizsync and vertsync
[11:31] <Fillado> *vertrefresh
[11:35] <carsten> okay, changed that, thanks Fillado rebooting now
[11:35] <l3m> carsten: you could also try to change the refresh rate in the graphical system settings tool ( kmenu->system settings->display )
[11:35] <Fillado> on mine that only gave the option of 60Hz
[11:36] <l3m> i had full selection ( 60 - 85 )
[11:36] <Fillado> heh - guess it detected your monitor right
[11:38] <l3m> yeah .. it even found out it's name, i was amazed ;)
[11:39] <Fillado> mine just says "Generic Monitor" :D
[11:39] <gsnedders> any suggestions for a WM for a Duron 700mhz/64mb RAM?
[11:39] <Fillado> fluxbox?
[11:39] <l3m> gsnedders: actually, i'd suggest buying some ram, it's really cheap these days... 
[11:40] <Fillado> Crucial are very good :)
[11:40] <l3m> with 64mb, no WM will make you happy. well, maybe ratpoison, but it's not really a WM
[11:40] <carsten> ahhh 85 hz. perfect. okay. sound, graphic, display, all fine now. i have a usable system !
[11:40] <gsnedders> not sure if it's compatible though...
[11:40] <sampan> even with the added ram, fluxbox is good
[11:40] <l3m> carsten: you could also try to change the refresh rate in the graphical system settings tool ( kmenu->system settings->display )
[11:40] <sampan> the stackable tabs feature in flux is really handy
[11:41] <l3m> ( you already logged off when i wrote this )
[11:41] <Fillado> carsten: you want to play videos?
[11:41] <Fillado> eg. DVD, XviD etc.
[11:44] <carsten> Fillado: yeah?
[11:45] <Fillado> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:45] <us3r> hi, i've just installed kubuntu on main pc, but itsn't normal the memory is used for 1,5 GB (with 2 GB total), is it? :-/
[11:46] <Fillado> then: sudo apt-get install VLC
[11:46] <Fillado> then: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[11:46] <carsten> us3r:  i think that is normal. i think there is a saying, that there is no reason for empty memory
[11:46] <Riddell> us3r: congratulations.  linux tries to make maximum use of any memory you have so it /shouldn't/ be anything to worry about
[11:47] <Fillado> if you're asking why is it using that much - then that's because it caches stuff = runs dreamy
[11:47] <carsten> us3r: so, when a program needs ram, linux will give it to the programm. 
[11:47] <Fillado> :)
[11:48] <us3r> ah, ok :)
[11:48] <Fillado> open up Firefox on Windows, then open it up on Linux (watching the HDD activity light both times)...
[11:49] <gsnedders> hmm... the RAM currently inside says PC100 on it... would that definitatlly  be SDRAM, PC100? and can I safely just add a 256MB chip of the same type?
[11:49] <carsten> what do i have to do on that source-o-matic site?
[11:50] <carsten> gsnedders: i think that depends on the chipset on your mainboard
[11:50] <neoncode> Hey I just ran the doom 3 installer .run file. How long should it take to "uncompress doom III"?
[11:50] <gsnedders> and i can't find any specs of the motherboard... :(
[11:51] <us3r> another, exist any programs for the gestion of menu? like on suse: the packet of same type (such as email, chat, etc) are divided in same subfolder in general folder "internet" (sry for english...)
[11:51] <sampan> carsten that site is for generating a repositories list to use as your /etc/apt/sources.list file ... you can go down, answering the questions/filling out the sections (making choices) and it will generate a sources.list file for you
[11:51] <us3r> gestion auto, for manual i can use menu edit ^^
[11:52] <carsten> gsnedders: do you know what kind of cpu is on your board?
[11:52] <Fillado> just select (among the updates and security updates) "package groups" 1,2,5,6,7,8
[11:53] <carsten> do i have hoary or breezy? i have 5.10 i guess?
[11:53] <sampan> breezy
[11:53] <yonkeltron> hmmmm
[11:53] <Fillado> then replace your /etc/apt/source.list file
[11:54] <Fillado> then sudo apt-get update
[11:54] <yonkeltron> playing video in kaffeine is wierd looking. the hue and all is off. but when i play it in xine...it's fine
[11:54] <carsten> so it would be best if I just select everything?
[11:54] <Fillado> if you wish
[11:55] <Fillado> just means you may get some *possibly* unstable but current packages
[11:55] <carsten> us3r:  i dont understand it, if you speak german, dont hesitate to whisper me
[11:56] <us3r> carsten: i don't speak german ^^
[11:57] <LjL> us3r: just right click on the K menu and you'll be able to edit it, if that's what you mean...
[11:57] <LjL> us3r: by the way, there is no word "gestion" :) "management", "editing" or "setup" would probably be decent alternatives
[11:57] <carsten> what is the difference between packages and sources?
[11:57] <l3m> carsten: you don't need sources ;)
[11:57] <l3m> carsten: it the source code of all the programs
[11:57] <Fillado> unless you wanna have some fun compiling
[11:57] <l3m> carsten: interesting if you're a programmer or "expert" 
[11:58] <LjL> unless by "sources" isn't meant the "sources.list" file, that is
[11:58] <Fillado> or you need them to install the nvidia drivers manually :\
[11:58] <carsten> l3m: sorry i couldnt answer you. i am not registered. 
[11:58] <carsten> okay, so i just take the pakages, but all of them. perhaps i need them some day
[11:59] <LjL> carsten: wha? you "take all the packages"?
[11:59] <l3m> LjL: he's compiling a sources.list
[12:00] <l3m> from the ubuntu generator
[12:00] <carsten> i think i dont take the ubuntu backport project. it says use with care.
[12:02] <us3r> LjL: yes, in that case i can edit manually...but exist any program to management ( :) ) menu automatically?...for example, under suse if you have only one program for chat (example gaim)it putted under "internet" folder in menu, but if you install another program(ex kopete), suse(or kde?) will create a subfolder "chat" under "internet", in that you see gaim and kopete and nothing else.. (orrible english ^^)
[12:03] <LjL> us3r: no, there isn't such a thing in Ubuntu by default. perhaps there is some package you can install to do that, but i don't know about one