[12:02] <sivang> kiko-afk:  a sec
[12:03] <lifeless> LaserJock: calendar updates
[12:03] <lifeless> LaserJock: for instance.
[12:07] <ogra> ... the dead artwork dream ....
[12:40] <StrikeForce> can I have someone look at the packages I've uploaded please :)
[12:54] <doko_> ajmitch: pong
[12:55] <LaserJock> dang it, missed the C-C meeting
[12:56] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:56] <crimsun> 'night, daniel
[12:56] <dholbach> night daniel :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> sigh, datacentre issues again for work
[01:08] <sistpoty> StrikeForce: i just went over cue2toc
[01:12] <LaserJock> sistpoty: any chance of getting you to look at plotdrop for me? It's pretty quick
[01:13] <sistpoty> LaserJock: ok, will do... after a cigarette ;)
[01:13] <LaserJock> sistpoty: thanks
[01:13] <ajmitch> all these smokers ;)
[01:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: lol, merging can do that to you
[01:16] <LaserJock> or linux in general for that matter
[01:16] <LaserJock> I tend to drink a lot of soda while I'm working with linux since I'm not a smoker
[01:18] <raphink> anyone awake to review konq-kim, konq-utf8 and kio-sword ?
[01:18] <raphink> :)
[01:32] <tseng> oh man
[01:32] <tseng> the pbuilder on my desktop is for hoary
[01:32] <raphink> loool
[01:32] <tseng> or maybe i have none
[01:32] <raphink> not very useful ;)
[01:33] <raphink> except for backports ;)
[01:33] <tseng> sources.list says breezy
[01:33] <raphink> hmmm
[01:33] <raphink> how about /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc ?
[01:34] <tseng> yes fixing all offenders to dapper
[01:34] <raphink> don't
[01:34] <raphink> dapper pbuilder doesn't work lately
[01:34] <tseng> ?
[01:34] <raphink> it doesn't build
[01:34] <tseng> dont worry
[01:34] <raphink> hmm ok
[01:34] <raphink> :)
[01:35] <LaserJock> raphink: I think making a dapper pbuilder from scratch is not working right now
[01:35] <tseng> that is fixed
[01:35] <raphink> yes LaserJock
[01:35] <raphink> tseng: sinc ewhen?
[01:36] <raphink> I tried it today and it didn't work
[01:36] <tseng> since gcj upload earlier today
[01:36] <raphink> ok
[01:36] <raphink> :)
[01:36] <tseng> at least someone attempted to fix it
[01:36] <tseng> ive not tested it
[01:36] <tseng> will let you know.
[01:36] <tseng> 10-20 minutes
[01:36] <raphink> ty
[01:36] <LaserJock> when did it go bad? I've been using dapper pbuilder for  a few days
[01:36] <tseng> mayhaps yesterday
[01:37] <raphink> LaserJock: yesterday I think
[01:37] <tseng> when doko split gcj from gcc
[01:37] <tseng> then gcj ftbfs
[01:37] <tseng> something like that.
[01:38] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[01:38] <raphink> well
[01:38] <raphink> bed time for me :)
[01:38] <raphink> 'night
[01:38] <LaserJock> I see a new gcj went through dapper-changes
[01:40] <tseng> i alluded to that
[01:40] <LaserJock> ah, ok. I'm just behind
[01:40] <tseng> lets not get hung up on this package :)
[01:40] <tseng> ill tell you if it WFM
[01:47] <sistpoty> LaserJock: done with plotdrop... only some minor cosmetics needed
[01:47] <sistpoty> ok, I'm off to bed now. g'night
[02:02] <LaserJock> ok, can somebody tell me where to put the year of the copyright?
[02:05] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[02:05] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[02:06] <LaserJock> how's the baby?
[02:08] <ajmitch> sigh, I have to merge 1 of my own packages
[02:09] <tseng> demand is right
[02:09] <ajmitch> nag, badger, annoy..
[02:09] <Lathiat> breath fire
[02:09] <tseng> badger badger badger
[02:09] <ajmitch> well I have to get f-spot updated in debian
[02:09] <ajmitch> so I can probably sync from experimental for that one
[02:10] <ajmitch> jordi requested a build for experimental again
[02:10] <ajmitch> so I'd better do it
[02:10] <Lathiat> err i mean, quack
[02:10] <Lathiat> :)
[02:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: we all know it's a dragon
[02:12] <Lathiat> 57% duck
[02:12] <LaserJock> how do you know what the copyright year is?
[02:12] <Lathiat> the year you wrote it ?
[02:12] <LaserJock> when I'm packaging?
[02:13] <Lathiat> when your referring to the packge license?
[02:13] <Lathiat> check what htey claim it is
[02:13] <Lathiat> its often a range
[02:15] <LaserJock> but what if there isn't any
[02:17] <LaserJock> the COPYING file is just the GPL
[02:17] <ajmitch> do the source files not have a GPL header?
[02:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: they just reference the COPYING file >:(
[02:19] <LaserJock> I have pretty good contact with the author. Is it something he should change?
[02:19] <ajmitch> how annoying
[02:19] <ajmitch> yes
[02:20] <ajmitch> he should have the 3 paragraphs & a proper copyright statement for each source file
[02:21] <LaserJock> for now is there anything I can do?
[02:21] <ajmitch> bug him
[02:22] <ajmitch> there are probably plenty of packages without complete copyright info
[02:23] <LaserJock> but wouldn't it require a new release? I mean it is the only thing holding me up right now from getting it in
[02:38] <bob2223> I package that I made was recently accepted into debian. I would like to help get it into ubuntu, but I cannot get my GPG key signed for at least another month. Is it still possible to help?
[02:40] <ajmitch> bob2223: if it's in debian now it shoudl get synced into ubuntu
[02:41] <ajmitch> what's the name of it?
[02:42] <LaserJock> tseng: did you dapper pbuilder work?
[02:42] <tseng> no its still broken
[02:42] <tseng> in lots of interesting ways
[02:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess I won't update mine yet
[02:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: baby is fine...he is fussy tonight
[02:47] <bmonty> I'm working on my ubuntu-spy program now :)
[02:47] <LaserJock> bmonty: ? what's that?
[02:48] <bmonty> to test all the ubuntu archive mirrors and find the fastest one
[02:48] <LaserJock> bmonty: cool, except I find a.u.c to be the only one that is updated. Maybe they are working on that though
[02:49] <bmonty> i hope so :)
[03:16] <bob2223> ajmitch: stopwatch
[03:18] <spstarr_home> who do I report a bad GPG key for mirror?
[03:18] <spstarr_home> W: GPG error: http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[03:18] <ajmitch> bob2223: it only just got in, right?
[03:19] <bob2223> ajmitch: correct
[03:19] <bob2223> ajmitch: so I do not have to do anything to Ubuntu-ize it?
[03:19] <spstarr_home> n/m
[03:19] <ajmitch> bob2223: you shouldn't have to, some changes might be ncessary
[03:19] <spstarr_home> n/m its ok
[03:19] <ajmitch> but since I can't view any package info in debian yet I can't tell
[03:19] <bob2223> okay
[03:22] <ajmitch> maybe a .desktop file instead of debian/menu
[03:24] <bob2223> okay; I will fix that
[04:27] <bmonty> night all
[04:58] <LaserJock> is there any good resources on getting Ubuntu changes/bug fixes into Debian?
[04:59] <LaserJock> I am struggling with how things are run in Debian because I've never really used it
[08:41] <siretart> morning
[08:54] <crimsun> gotta love an unbuildable archive :-)
[08:54] <crimsun> morning, siretart
[08:56] <siretart> heh, crimsun! :)
[08:56] <siretart> perfect time on hacking revu2, I guess.
[09:02] <crimsun> hehe :-)
[09:12] <crimsun> I wonder what the opinion on HIGifying firefox's dialogs is
[09:18] <Amaranth> firefox 1.5 dialogs seem much nicer
[09:18] <Amaranth> otherwise the opinion is probably something like "if you want to maintain firefox, go ahead"
[09:19] <crimsun> I just remember jdub's presentation, particularly the part on gedit's dialogs
[09:19] <Amaranth> what presentation?
[09:20] <crimsun> his badgerbadgerbadger tour presentation; it'll be up shortly
[09:20] <Amaranth> was he saying gedit dialogs rock?
[09:20] <crimsun> he outlined some of the HIG changes from earlier versions of GNOME
[09:21] <Amaranth> shortly doesn't help me if it's after sunday, i'll have to find a way to watch at school
[09:22] <crimsun> well I'm not jdub, nor was my laptop stolen enroute to UBZ, so I can't speed things along
[09:23] <Amaranth> yeah, a lot of people were disappointed when he cut the trip short
[09:23] <Burgundavia> I have heard that nifty things are happening the new_mdi branch of gedit
[09:23] <Amaranth> i can understand why though, hard to give a presentation when the laptop it was on was stolen
[09:23] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: gnome-vfs support, for one
[09:24] <Amaranth> so opening files from nautilus doesn't get you a read-only file
[09:25] <Amaranth> oh, and they use the IE/Firefox yellow info bar thing to show loading files and such, since it's async now
[09:26] <Lathiat> yeh it ried that out its pretty cool
[09:35] <sivang> Good morning
[09:35] <crimsun> re sivang
[09:36] <sivang> yo crimsun , I'm trying to bet today if or if not I am going to have time to do some merges from work , it's started to be an interesting game ...
[09:37] <sivang> morning siretart
[10:13] <crimsun> re daniel
[10:13] <dholbach> hellas
[10:13] <dholbach> hey daniel
[10:26] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[10:27] <dholbach> hi reinhard :)
[10:27] <siretart> dholbach: now I'm preparing my first 'main' upload and what happens: dapper is so broken that if fails to but nearly anything ;)
[10:27] <dholbach> rock'n'roll - welcome to main :)
[10:27] <siretart> but it wasn't me! I swear!
[10:27] <siretart> *g*
[10:27] <Nafallo> please give me mailman :-P
[10:28] <siretart> Nafallo: what is with mailman?
[10:28] <siretart> apropos mailman
[10:28] <siretart> dholbach: did jdub answer?
[10:28] <Nafallo> dholbach: was that correct spelling on the last two words btw? :-)
[10:29] <\sh> just updated my laptop profile to flight-1
[10:29] <dholbach> siretart: he always showed up for some minutes - i mailed him
[10:29] <siretart> Nafallo: I think it is without 's'
[10:29] <siretart> so he is still busy. no wonder
[10:29] <Nafallo> oh, it is.
[10:37] <\sh> on breezy...the gcc3.4 compiler suite is not on the shipping cd?
[11:30] <raphink> o_O
[11:30] <raphink> I advocated my own package o_O that shouldn't be possible!
[11:35] <raphink> Riddell: I just removed an unused file from konq-kim. can you advocate it again please ?
[01:02] <herve_> hello
[01:05] <dholbach> hi herve_
[01:30] <\sh> [13:28]  <\sh> libquicktime transition
[01:30] <\sh> [13:29]  <\sh> libquicktime1 is renamed to libquicktime0
[01:30] <dholbach> yeah... that looked rather braindead to me
[01:34] <StevenK> Blink. A SOVER being decremented?
[01:35] <herve_> maybe it was incremented on one bit
[01:35] <crimsun> hey, if it works, hit it
[01:35] <herve_> so it came back to 0
[01:35] <crimsun> it's just like freetype in the opposite direction!
[01:36] <\sh> just uploaded :=
[01:38] <\sh> siretart: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/9
[01:39] <StevenK> Hurray! My first bug about merging in a new debian version.
[01:40] <StevenK> However, do I need to mail keyring@ubuntu.com to get myself added, or upload@ubuntulinux.org, or both?
[01:41] <crimsun> StevenK: to upload to Ubuntu?
[01:41] <StevenK> crimsun: Yup.
[01:42] <crimsun> StevenK: you'll have to go through the MOTU process (become a member, contribute, then become a MOTU), but it'll be much easier for you since you're already a DD
[01:42] <StevenK> I'm trying to contribute, I've done one merge.
[01:43] <StevenK> (With more planned, just want to get one done first.)
[01:43] <dholbach> somebody can sponsor the upload for you
[01:43] <crimsun> yep, just document them on your wiki page, slap the debdiffs up, and someone will upload for you
[01:44] <StevenK> debdiff between my new version and Debian, or the last Ubuntu version?
[01:44] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads will tell you, how to get your mail address whitelisted (so you get katie's mail)
[01:44] <crimsun> the last Ubuntu version
[01:44] <crimsun> (the last Ubuntu version might be the Debian version)
[01:44] <siretart> StevenK: did you attach your debdiff to the malone bugreport?
[01:45] <StevenK> I haven't gotten that far yet.
[01:45] <dholbach> StevenK: a person :)
[01:46] <dholbach> as a DD, you might have got in contact with him already :)
[01:47] <StevenK> Heh, is it elmo?
[01:47] <dholbach> :)
[01:47] <dholbach> just tell him, that you want to work with the motus and sign the mail
[01:47] <dholbach> that should be about it
[01:47] <Mithrandir> StevenK: DDs are generally fast-tracked through most of the MOTU stuff, though, so they're given upload priviledges quite quickly.
[01:47] <dholbach> and thanks a lot for working with us :)
[01:48] <StevenK> Mithrandir: What, the whole "Ahh, if you can break uploads to Debian, you may as well to Ubuntu as well." ? :-P
[01:48] <zakame> hi all
[01:48] <Mithrandir> StevenK: more or less, yes.  And the NM process is generelly thorough enough that it doesn't make much sense to force DDs to go through a basic packaging course again.
[01:48] <dholbach> StevenK: to the motu team, it matters, that you're technically up to scratch and you work nicely with the team...
[01:49] <dholbach> people who are motivtated get through that process pretty quick
[01:49] <crimsun> it's essentially "oh, you're a DD, *stamp*"
[01:51] <StevenK> Whee. I knew this dusty @d.o address would pay off someday. :-P
[01:52] <zakame> can some motu please rebuild gnubiff and review malone 4635 's debdiff? thanks :)
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4635: common (Ubuntu) - logilab-common: merge new debian version Fix req. for: logilab-common (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4635
[01:56] <herve_> bye
[01:57] <StevenK>   zsh: segmentation fault  mutt
[01:58] <StevenK> Wheeee!
[02:00] <siretart> segfaulting mutt? interesting
[02:01] <StevenK> First time I've ever seen it do that.
[02:01] <StevenK> Ever.
[02:02] <zakame> siretart: many thanks :)
[02:02] <siretart> zakame: no chance, archive seems still broken, I cannot build your package
[02:03] <zakame> siretart: for gnubiff? or for both?
[02:03] <siretart> zakame: for all packages. debhelper is currently not installable
[02:03] <zakame> I haven't updated my chroot yet to the latest dapper, so I can still build here :(
[02:03] <zakame> siretart: po-debconf still blocking?
[02:04] <StevenK> Ohhhh.
[02:04] <siretart> zakame: jepp
[02:04] <StevenK> Errr. *not* upgrade
[02:04] <siretart> StevenK: better dont ;)
[02:04] <siretart> ah. right :)
[02:05] <StevenK> Yes. Brain moves faster than fingers. :-)
[02:05] <zakame> WAAH
[02:07] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:10] <cyberix> How do I customise and build a package for myself? When I do apt-get source and then dpkg-buildpackage after modifying the source code my changes vanish from code before compilation.
[02:10] <sivang> cyberix: you need to create a patch
[02:10] <sivang> cyberix: you can't just go and edit inline the sources you get
[02:10] <StevenK> Depends on the packaging.
[02:11] <cyberix> Well apache2 in my case.
[02:11] <sivang> StevenK: how so?
[02:11] <StevenK> Sometimes you can, other times your changes get nuked, and other times the source files don't even exist until you unpack a tarball.
[02:11] <dholbach> cyberix: try to update the changelog (a new entry), run debuild -S (to build a new source package) and build that one
[02:11] <StevenK> sivang: In linda for example, you can edit unpack.py and debuild it, and your change will be in it.
[02:12] <StevenK> sivang: In something like alsa-driver which uses dpatch, your changes will probably be nuked.
[02:12] <crimsun> apache2 doesn't appear to b-d on cdbs or dpatch, at least
[02:12] <sivang> StevenK: ah, well, my most experience is with autofoo packages
[02:12] <StevenK> Ahhhh, autobork.
[02:12] <sivang> StevenK: in which the vast majority you need to create patches
[02:12] <sivang> StevenK: linda doesn't use a patch tool?
[02:14] <dholbach> sivang: a lot of packages don't
[02:14] <siretart> many dd dont like cdbs and/or dpatch
[02:15] <StevenK> I love dpatch.
[02:15] <dholbach> sivang: and since we don't want to diverge from debian too much, in those cases, we should try to 1) just patch the source and 2) ship our patch in debian/patches
[02:15] <sivang> dholbach: so there patching the source always works?
[02:15] <StevenK> Linda is simple and written in Python. And I'm the author, so I don't need no steenking patch tool. :-)
[02:16] <zyga> lucas: ping
[02:16] <siretart> StevenK: you wrote linda? great! I need to talk to you! :)
[02:16] <lucas> pong
[02:16] <StevenK> Oh, crap.
[02:16] <zyga> lucas: I've analyzed the source of that imagemagick bug
[02:16] <Treenaks> StevenK: In private.
[02:16] <Treenaks> ;)
[02:16] <zyga> lucas: it seems to be an upstream isse
[02:16] <lucas> ok
[02:16] <dholbach> sivang: you have to be careful, but... i guess so
[02:16] <StevenK> siretart: What's up?
[02:16] <siretart> StevenK: no, it's mostly harmless
[02:16] <siretart> StevenK: For parsing .dsc files, I use your DSCParser class
[02:17] <zyga> lucas: the accessors for attributes are declared okay, I'd say it's a bug in the image reader, that gets called by blob reader from ruby wrapper
[02:17] <StevenK> I admit, my parsers spit out some complex structures.
[02:17] <siretart> StevenK: when I import the DSCParser class directly, it seems to run the __init__.py from linda, and messes with my argument managment
[02:18] <siretart> StevenK: can I access the parser class directly, circumventing that __init__.py?
[02:18] <siretart> I just need the parser, and wanted to avoid forking linda
[02:18] <StevenK> Yes, since DSCParser uses linda.debug and other things.
[02:18] <lucas> zyga: which version have you tested with ?
[02:18] <siretart> so you suggest forking?
[02:18] <zyga> lucas: I didn't test it (no rails either)
[02:18] <lucas> ok
[02:18] <zyga> lucas: I've only read the source
[02:18] <lucas> there's version 1.9.3 in debian
[02:19] <zyga> lucas: it might be some obscure image bug as well
[02:19] <lucas> we should see if it fixes the bug
[02:19] <zyga> anyway let's wait for the reporter to respond
[02:19] <lucas> but let's wait for a test script
[02:19] <zyga> right
[02:19] <lucas> yeaj
[02:19] <lucas> yeah
[02:19] <zyga> :-)
[02:19] <StevenK> siretart: Right, the problem is in the RFC822Parser. If you rip out the 'from linda.debug import dprint' and delete or comment out the 3 or so dprint calls, it then shouldn't drag in linda.__init__
[02:20] <StevenK> I so need to fix it so calling linda.__init__ isn't such a pain.
[02:20] <lucas> zyga: I don't like those rails-related bug reports
[02:20] <lucas> it always takes a lot of time before the reporter finally sends a test script that works
[02:20] <StevenK> Whee. debdiff generates patches that look like crap.
[02:21] <siretart> StevenK: okay. this means I need to copy the RFC822Parser and dsc.py files and rip out the dprints.
[02:22] <StevenK> siretart: Just RFC822Parser. DSCParser doesn't use dprint.
[02:22] <zyga> lucas: I don't have rails installed and I know rubt too little to play with it, I can only read the source for obvious mistakes :)
[02:22] <StevenK> siretart: And thanks, I've written a TODO item to make linda.__init__() not suck so hard. :-)
[02:22] <siretart> StevenK: I have to thank :)
[02:23] <StevenK> I'll probably just move the CLParser call to bootstrap.
[02:25] <siretart> StevenK: perhaps you could make it a singleton?
[02:26] <StevenK> siretart: Um?
[02:28] <siretart> StevenK: you could use the MoM output as basis for merging work. in general, it produces nice changelog files
[02:28] <azeem> StevenK: it'S a matter of taste, I think
[02:29] <siretart> I agree with azeem
[02:29] <azeem> of course it also depends whether you actually merged them, I'd say
[02:30] <StevenK> It more than likely makes the debdiff a little prettier.
[02:34] <StevenK> Okay, one debdiff.
[02:38] <StevenK> Errr, never mind -- I found the link.
[03:07] <zyga> lucas: huh
[03:08] <zyga> lucas: so what has exactly happened with that bug?
[03:08] <lucas> he installed a rubygem by hand
[03:08] <lucas> saw the bug
[03:08] <lucas> and thought it was caused by the ubuntu pacakge
[03:08] <zyga> so the bug is not in ubuntu, it's in that gem?
[03:08] <zyga> right
[03:08] <lucas> whereas he was using the gem
[03:08] <zyga> k
[03:08] <zyga> do we close the bug?
[03:09] <lucas> yup
[03:09] <lucas> but I can't find where to close it :-)
[03:09] <zyga> let me look
[03:09] <Lathiat> you click on the distro name
[03:09] <Lathiat> e.g.
[03:09] <Lathiat> Ubuntu
[03:09] <Lathiat> in the status bit
[03:09] <zyga> it's fixed already
[03:09] <lucas> ah fixed = closed ?
[03:09] <zyga> yes
[03:09] <lucas> ok
[03:10] <lucas> so I did it
[03:10] <zyga> actually it should have been rejected
[03:10] <zyga> since it's not a bug ;-)
[03:10] <zyga> k, done :)
[03:11] <lucas> zyga: I've sent a proposal to the debian-ruby mailing list about how to package libraries
[03:11] <lucas> are you subscribed to this mailing list ?
[03:12] <lucas> ah seems it wasn't fixed ;)
[03:22] <zakame> wb dholbach
[03:23] <dholbach> re :)
[03:23] <juliux> wb dholbach
[03:27] <juliux> dholbach, http://www.juliux.de/linux/gbtcr.txt what can i do?
[03:28] <juliux> dholbach, can i only write a bug report?
[03:29] <dholbach> juliux: write a mail to the author - does it crash?
[03:29] <juliux> dholbach, yes if i click on it crash
[03:30] <dholbach> write to the author, that's the best
[03:32] <zakame> hi slomo
[03:33] <slomo> hi zakame
[03:34] <juliux> dholbach, ok thanks
[03:34] <zakame> I'm doing an improved version of lpbugs, now with automatic sourcepkg bugnumber detection for updating :) prolly uploading my baz repo later :D  'tis on perl though, I don't know how to code in python yet :(
[03:36] <slomo> dholbach: is kiwi now ok? i would review it then again ;)
[03:36] <dholbach> slomo: yeah, it's better :)
[03:37] <slomo> dholbach: and the buildds are actually able to build stuff again? :) is it needed to request give-backs for everything that failed before?
[03:38] <dholbach> no idea
[03:38] <dholbach> better ask inifinity
[03:45] <Mithrandir> slomo: infinity is going mass-give-back everything that failed, so please don't bombard him with requests.
[03:45] <sivang> Mithrandir: what's that give-back process ?
[03:46] <Mithrandir> sivang: what do you mean?  It's a request to the buildd to retry a package which failed.
[03:46] <slomo> Mithrandir: ok, thanks... that's what i expected... hm, i'll queue my to-be-cleaned-from-dep-wait request after he've done that ;)
[03:46] <zakame> mass-give-back...
[03:48] <sivang> Mithrandir: thanks, just wanted to know what that means.
[03:53] <aeon17x> *takes a peek in channel anyway*
[03:53] <zakame> welcome aeon17x
[04:02] <slomo> dholbach: W: kiwi: script-not-executable ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kiwi/i18n/msgfmt.py
[04:03] <dholbach> slomo: yeah
[04:03] <dholbach> slomo: and no manpage
[04:03] <slomo> dholbach: yes... if you fix the not-executable warning you get my vote... manpage can come later ;)
[04:04] <dholbach> slomo: merci beaucoup - i'm in a meeting, will do that later
[04:05] <slomo> dholbach: ok, just notify me :) i'll finish maths for this week now... maybe 30 minutes left and i have much free time for the rest of the week ;)
[04:05] <dholbach> cool :
[04:05] <dholbach> :)
[04:14] <siretart> dholbach: what meeting is currently in -meeting?
[04:14] <dholbach> siretart: a11y team
[04:14] <zakame> a11y?
[04:15] <dholbach> accessibility
[04:15] <siretart> ah
[04:15] <zakame> ah
[04:15] <siretart> thnx
[04:29] <zakame> I hope debhelper gets back tomorrow :)
[04:32] <zakame> good night
[04:51] <StrikeForce> its back now
[04:51] <StrikeForce> debhelper that is
[04:55] <StrikeForce> how do I do this 'Would be nice if you could get config.sub/config.guess out of diff.gz'
[05:27] <siretart> GRRR. I hate marillat :/
[05:27] <siretart> no diffs to marillat packages in revu2, then
[05:28] <slomo> why?
[05:32] <siretart> because he sets his suitename to 'unstable', so my 'apt-get source -t marillat trick won't work
[07:07] <\sh> dholbach: ping
[07:08] <dholbach> \sh: pong
[07:09] <\sh> dholbach: u r my gnomeinator :)
[07:09] <\sh> gtkglextmm
[07:10] <\sh> building in chroot with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage --> ok
[07:10] <\sh> building in pbuilder --> not ok...he complains in pbuilder about wrong paths in pkg-config for several libs
[07:10] <dholbach> unfortunately my pbuilder is busted
[07:11] <dholbach> can you give me the buildlog
[07:11] <dholbach> else it's quite hard for me to say something useful
[07:11] <\sh> dholbach: k..moment
[07:12] <\sh> setting up a local apache here at home :)
[07:12] <dholbach> and for future reference: the gnome-inator is somebody else :)
[07:13] <\sh> hehe
[07:18] <\sh_away> dholbach: http://motuhome.homelinux.net
[07:19] <dholbach> what does config.log say?
[07:19] <dholbach> the interesting bits should be at the end?
[07:19] <\sh> dholbach: hmmm...config.log out of a pbuilder?
[07:20] <\sh> lets see...i login..
[07:21] <\sh> strange it is...that the dpkg-buildpackage doesn't complain at all
[07:21] <siretart> \sh: who offered to setup a bzr trac on tiber? whas this ajmitch?
[07:21] <\sh> i think so
[07:22] <siretart> ok
[07:28] <\sh> strage
[07:28] <\sh> inside the pbuilder (as login) it works
[07:28] <\sh> only pbuilder build *.dsc doesn't work
[07:29] <dholbach> that's REALLY strange
[07:29] <\sh> yepp
[07:29] <dholbach> blame it on broken pbuilder :)
[07:29] <\sh> na
[07:29] <dholbach> upload it and see if sbuild can cope with it  ;-p
[07:30] <\sh> hehe k
[07:30] <dholbach> what are you uploading?
[07:30] <\sh> gtkglextmm
[07:30] <dholbach> just the changes for the allocator change?
[07:30] <\sh> merge + allocator change
[07:34] <LaserJock> so has the Bug Day started yet?
[07:36] <dholbach> LaserJock: #ubuntu-bugs :)
[07:36] <LaserJock> dholbach: aw, thanks
[07:36] <dholbach> :)
[07:42] <\sh> hmm..what is the opinion to replace libcurl-ssl-dev? libcurl3-gnutls-dev or libcurl3-ssl-dev?
[08:01] <\sh> sistpoty / siretart: ping
[08:02] <ajmitch> morning
[08:02] <siretart> \sh: pong
[08:02] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[08:02] <ajmitch> :)
[08:02] <\sh> sistpotys script is wrong
[08:02] <\sh> about new allocator trans
[08:02] <ajmitch> oh?
[08:02] <ajmitch> why is that?
[08:03] <ajmitch> doesn't take into account already fixed packages?
[08:03] <\sh> adplug e.g. is already transed from debian
[08:03] <\sh> yes
[08:03] <ajmitch> how should his script work?
[08:03] <\sh> he has to check the binary package names
[08:03] <ajmitch> drop the packages depending on a newer libstdc++6 ?
[08:03] <siretart> well, the source for the script is in his home
[08:04] <\sh> he will appear later i think
[08:05] <\sh> and others who are depending on c++ like alps-light1 e.g. do need only a recompile
[08:07] <\sh> we need to be careful with this...and don't confuse our hopefuls
[08:07] <ajmitch> or the existing MOTUs like me
[08:07] <ajmitch> who's horribly confused enough as it is
[08:09] <siretart> ajmitch: didn't you offer to install a bzr aware version of trac on tiber?
[08:10] <jdong_> there's quite a stir about Mandriva's new "interactive firewall"
[08:10] <jdong_> looks dbus based with qt-ish frontend
[08:11] <jdong_> any plans for Universe packages?
[08:11] <Mithrandir> oh, that sounds like so much crack.
[08:11] <jdong_> lol, nerdy people want it...
[08:11] <jdong_> sure it seems like firestarter's enough....
[08:12] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, thanks for reminding me
[08:12] <Mithrandir> it's probably like all the windows firewalls where you get popups every five seconds about random programs trying to do evil stuff like DNS lookups.
[08:12] <ajmitch> jdong_: we already have firewall crack specced
[08:12] <siretart> hey jdong_
[08:12] <jdong_> Mithrandir: yeah, pretty much lol
[08:13] <jdong_> siretart: hey :)
[08:18] <slomo> hi FireRabbit :)
[08:18] <FireRabbit> hey :)
[08:19] <FireRabbit> i've got updated 100% unofficial azureus and limewire packages that i'd like to get merged, if interested (and if someone hasn't already beat me to it)
[08:22] <slomo> FireRabbit: you could ask siretart to add your gpg key to the revu keyring.... then you can upload your packages to revu for review and when they're ok they probably got uploaded :)
[08:23] <FireRabbit> slomo, that sounds good.... hey siretart .. you around? ;)
[08:23] <siretart> FireRabbit: sure
[08:23] <siretart> ;)
[08:24] <siretart> FireRabbit: I'm just a bit confused, because we did not diverge from debian for both packages
[08:25] <siretart> FireRabbit: so what do you mean with 'merged'
[08:25] <FireRabbit> oh, perhaps debian is out of date then
[08:26] <siretart> could you please check the debian bts then if there are already whishlist bugs for that?
[08:27] <FireRabbit> yeah
[08:29] <FireRabbit> i will find out and report back.
[08:30] <siretart> thanks a lot
[08:30] <Seveas> I'm about to do my first upload to revu...
[08:30] <Seveas> actually second, but the first one b0rked :)
[08:31] <Seveas> just pbuilder-testing the package now :)
[08:32] <FireRabbit> is there an ubuntu-specific wishlist, perhaps on launchpad that I could look at?
[08:32] <slomo> FireRabbit: for what? new packages?
[08:32] <FireRabbit> yeah
[08:33] <slomo> FireRabbit: err... i mean packages we don't have but users want ;)
[08:33] <FireRabbit> right
[08:33] <slomo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[08:33] <FireRabbit> thanks
[08:33] <slomo> np :)
[08:34] <slomo> FireRabbit: as you're interested in mono stuff... what about codegen or monouml? ;)
[08:34] <siretart> monouml? whats that?
[08:35] <slomo> http://www.monouml.org
[08:35] <slomo> a tool for creating uml diagrams, generating code from it and generating a diagram from code
[08:36] <slomo> iirc it supports only class diagrams atm but at least use-case diagrams are also planned
[08:36] <jpatrick> \sh: could you look at: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1013 please
[08:36] <Seveas> meh, pbuilder complains :(
[08:37] <\sh> jpatrick: one thing after another :)
[08:37] <jpatrick> \sh: course :)
[08:40] <Seveas> configure: error: failed to find module bonobo.ui
[08:40] <Seveas> in which package can I find this?
[08:41] <Seveas> python module bonobo.ui that is
[08:41] <Seveas> it's not python-gnome2{,-extras}-dev
[08:49] <lucas> dholbach or ogra: ping
[08:49] <dholbach> lucas: pong
[08:49] <dholbach> ogra: unping :)
[08:50] <lucas> I have a motutools package that works
[08:50] <lucas> it doesn't do anything yet
[08:50] <lucas> but I'd like to get as many comments as possible
[08:50] <lucas> is it possible it gets uploaded to dapper ?
[08:50] <sivang> lucas: to universe, why not?
[08:51] <lucas> should I upload it to REVU ?
[08:51] <dholbach> lucas: yeah, REVU is the right place
[08:51] <lucas> ok, will do that
[08:54] <siretart> lucas: I'm sure it will get reviewed quite quickly ;)
[08:55] <ajmitch> ok, at work now
[08:57] <lucas> ok, I sent that keyring mail to register as uploader
[08:57] <siretart> lucas: done
[08:57] <siretart> (12 seks for a key addition isn't that bad, is it? ;)
[08:58] <lucas> yup :)
[09:06] <lucas> ok, uploaded
[09:07] <lucas> 8 mins is not so bad given that I'm watching real madrid - lyon at the same time ;)
[09:18] <Seveas> siretart, if a package runs a check for python module bonobo.ui at ./configure time, should I add python-gnome2 to the build deps or patch the configure{,.ac} files?
[09:35] <lucas> sirestart: I uploaded more than 5 mins ago, but my upload doesn't show up
[09:35] <lucas> (it might be related to the fact that I uploaded to "unstable" instead of "dapper" ;)
[09:35] <Kyral> lol
[09:36] <lucas> (the files are still in /incoming, not /incoming/rejected
[09:44] <lucas> I uploaded a new version
[09:44] <lucas> I started with 0.0.1 so I'm in no hurry ;)
[09:46] <Seveas> any experienced motu around to answer a few questions about ./configure?
[09:54] <\sh> siretart: i added a rename bug switch to motu-tools...give me 5 mins to merge it to my bzr branch :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> \sh: cool, I haven't seen much activity on that branch lately
[09:55] <siretart> Seveas: in general I think you'll want to run ./configure from debian/rules. in that case you would need that in the build environment, so yes
[09:55] <ajmitch> \sh: using bzr push?
[09:55] <\sh> ajmitch: no scp
[09:56] <ajmitch> ok
[09:56] <Seveas> siretart, so patching configure to disable checks is OK?
[09:56] <ajmitch> push uses sftp anyway :)
[09:57] <siretart> Seveas: I cannot answer you that question. Since ./configure is generated, I would rather patch the scripts creating configure, though
[09:57] <Seveas> that would have been my next question: whether to patch configure or configure.ac :)
[09:57] <Seveas> so the latter it is
[09:58] <Seveas> Cool, then I can upload it
[09:58] <lucas> siretart: any idea why my uploads don't get processed ?
[09:59] (Seveas/#ubuntu-motu) ajmitch, even with that builddep the check somehow fails
[09:59] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) might require X
[09:59] (Seveas/#ubuntu-motu) it's a simple python test that just does import bonobo.ui
[10:00] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) and you're sure that module is in python-gnome2?
[10:00] <Seveas> yes
[10:00] <ajmitch> hm, looks to be
[10:00] <ajmitch> oh well, your problem to deal with ;)
[10:01] <slomo> some of the python-gnome2 modules need X for the check
[10:01] <Seveas> ;)
[10:01] <Seveas> I've dealt with it by removing the checks
[10:01] <slomo> i had the problem with gnomeapplet in service-discovery-applet
[10:01] <siretart> lucas: sure, you did upload a binary package, instead of a source package
[10:01] <Seveas> slomo, (!)
[10:01] <slomo> Seveas: hehe, i did the same ;)
[10:01] <Seveas> it's an applet that I am packaging
[10:01] <slomo> oh maybe the same problem ;)
[10:02] <Seveas> guess so
[10:02] <Seveas> btw: it's a new version of revelation
[10:02] <Seveas> it has an applet now
[10:02] <\sh> siretart: please merge ~shermann/motu-tools
[10:03] <\sh> argl
[10:03] <\sh> bug
[10:03] <\sh> in
[10:03] <ajmitch> \sh: bzr pull still didn't give me any changes
[10:03] <\sh> subject
[10:03] <\sh> it's uploaded
[10:03] <\sh> http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools
[10:04] <ajmitch> Using saved location: http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[10:04] <ajmitch> maybe 1 of the proxies is caching
[10:05] <siretart> no, same here
[10:05] <siretart> still at rev 24
[10:05] <\sh> one moment
[10:05] <ajmitch> mine is at revision 16?
[10:05] <ajmitch> how strange
[10:05] <lucas> siretart: ah true, thanks
[10:07] <Seveas> there, upload done
[10:07] <\sh> ajmitch: try merge in 5 4 3 2 1 now
[10:08] <\sh> evno: 17
[10:08] <\sh> committer: Stephan Hermann <sh@sourcecode.de>
[10:08] <\sh> timestamp: Wed 2005-11-23 21:56:50 +0100
[10:08] <\sh> message:
[10:08] <\sh>   Added -r switch for -n action to lpbugs.py for sending renaming bug reports
[10:12] <\sh> can u get it?
[10:12] <ajmitch> nope
[10:13] <\sh> check bzr logs....rev 17
[10:13] <ajmitch> branching on another system
[10:14] <Seveas> jay - it worked: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1017
[10:14] <phin3as> :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> rev 16 on a fresh branch
[10:17] <\sh> bzr: ERROR: Revision {shermann@tiber.tauware.de-20051109221619-3e54de01e1f9c252} not present in <bzrlib.weave.Weave object at 0xb789523c>
[10:17] <\sh> damn
[10:18] <siretart> heh, you need to call the ghostbusters!
[10:19] <\sh> NOW !
[10:23] <\sh> sid file?
[10:25] <\sh> ajmitch: siretart can u merge now?
[10:25] <ajmitch> nope
[10:26] <\sh> it should work now...just a minute before I had a bug
[10:26] <\sh> and now it branches correctly
[10:29] <siretart> I just merged successfully
[10:31] <ajmitch> siretart: what's different about your branch?
[10:32] <siretart> lemme check
[10:33] <siretart> I think none atm
[10:35] <HiddenWolf> Can someone knowledgable take a look at some debs I found for freevo?
[10:36] <siretart> puh, I have headaches.. I need a bed now.
[10:36] <siretart> gn8 folks
[10:36] <ajmitch> night
[10:38] <slomo> gn8 siretart
[10:43] <dholbach> night siretart, get well soon
[10:44] <\sh> i branched completly new from siretart btw
[10:55] <lucas> To register as reviewer
[10:55] <lucas> Please send a signed and encrypted mail with your password and GnuPG keyid to [MAILTO]  keyring@tiber.tauware.de. We will mark you as Reviewer in the database.
[10:56] <lucas> I can't find the keyring@tiber's keyid
[10:56] <lucas> somebody can do a local gpg --list-key keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[10:56] <lucas>  ?
[11:30] <LaserJock> what is the versioning when you have buildX versions?
[11:31] <LaserJock> more specifically if there was a build1 version for Ubuntu and I want a ubuntuX version
[11:31] <ajmitch> buildX -> ubuntu1
[11:32] <ajmitch> since it's the first ubuntu change
[11:33] <LaserJock> ok, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure
[11:38] <Kyral> I am afraid to see how much mail will be in my Inbox on Sunday
[11:42] <sivang> Good night all
[11:43] <phin3as> Night.
[11:43] <raphink> night sivang
[11:43] <sivang> night raphink, phin3as . see you all tomorrow
[11:43] <raphink> hopefully ;)
[11:44] <phin3as> Doubtfully on my path.
[11:44] <raphink> k
[11:44] <phin3as> See you soon however.
[11:44] <raphink> yep :)
[11:45] <phin3as> Arrogance, are you arrogant?
[11:55] <Arrogance> phin3as, it depends on what's on TV
[11:55] <tseng> Lathiat: i am official converting all my code at work to rails
[11:55] <phin3as> Hah
[11:55] <tseng> Lathiat: /13 done
[11:55] <tseng> 1/3?
[12:00] <minghua> \sh, you are in charge of libstdc++ allocator ABI transition in universe, right?
[12:01] <LaserJock> slomo: ping?
[12:01] <\sh> minghua: looks like a bit
[12:02] <slomo> LaserJock: pong
[12:03] <LaserJock> slomo: do you know what happened with introdeveloperdocs?