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| === Topic for #ubuntu-server: ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels | Download Ubuntu Server Edition at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by troy at Tue Nov 22 23:37:49 2005 | ||
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| Pygi | hi hi | 10:13 |
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| fabbione | hey pi | 10:14 |
| Pygi | o, I've got a new nick :) | 10:14 |
| Pygi | I see you got ubuntu bot in here | 10:17 |
| troy | good day folks | 10:20 |
| Pygi | night' troy :) | 10:20 |
| fabbione | no bot | 10:20 |
| fabbione | it's just a irc log | 10:20 |
| Pygi | ah | 10:21 |
| fabbione | logs are on people.u.c/~fabbione/irclogs | 10:21 |
| fabbione | the first will appear in about 20 minutes or so | 10:21 |
| troy | fabbione: I've been meaning to mention this: I originally intended this channel to be a general discussion and support channel for server topics | 10:26 |
| fabbione | troy: discussion ok .. support -> #ubuntu | 10:26 |
| troy | why? | 10:26 |
| fabbione | otherwise we can say goodbye to this channel for too much noise in a day or two | 10:27 |
| fabbione | because the "server" software is the same that's in the archive | 10:27 |
| fabbione | and support can be done on #ubuntu | 10:27 |
| fabbione | there is no difference from any other package | 10:27 |
| fabbione | they are just package | 10:27 |
| fabbione | +s | 10:27 |
| troy | I didn't really intend to become a devel channel - was thinking along the lines of #ubuntu is to #ubuntu-devel as #ubuntu-server is to #ubuntu-server-devel or somesuch -- it's pretty much standard in most freenode projects | 10:28 |
| troy | #kubuntu gets it's own support channel | 10:28 |
| fabbione | nah | 10:28 |
| fabbione | trust me.. too many channels.. too much confusion | 10:29 |
| fabbione | let's keep the resources to run a project to minimum | 10:29 |
| fabbione | if we need to scale | 10:29 |
| fabbione | we can | 10:29 |
| fabbione | that's the important thing | 10:29 |
| fabbione | but spreading too few people on too many channels (irc, mailing lists, etc) | 10:29 |
| troy | I'm a big fan of dedicated channels for topics as the need arises | 10:29 |
| fabbione | it's not productive imho | 10:30 |
| fabbione | troy: that's why we can start we a minimum and scale if required | 10:30 |
| fabbione | we also need to keep s/n ratio at a good rate | 10:30 |
| troy | when #kde became too full in ... 1999 maybe, they split into #kde and #kde-devel | 10:30 |
| troy | the same should happen here | 10:30 |
| fabbione | exactly | 10:30 |
| fabbione | if we will have too much traffic we will split | 10:30 |
| troy | at the moment, we can do support in this channel without serious SNR problems | 10:31 |
| fabbione | as it is now let's keep it mainly for devel | 10:31 |
| fabbione | troy: we already saw 2/3 users coming here asking for general support | 10:31 |
| fabbione | like: my nmap doesn't map | 10:31 |
| fabbione | that's clearly not -server related | 10:31 |
| fabbione | it will be difficult to tell people #ubuntu for this.. -server for that | 10:31 |
| fabbione | IF there will be a need for a dedicate server support channel | 10:32 |
| troy | fabbione: of course there will be overlap, just as there is between #ubuntu and #kubuntu | 10:32 |
| fabbione | we will move development on -server-dev | 10:32 |
| fabbione | and keep this one open for support | 10:32 |
| troy | in the meantime, lets not shun people coming in here for support | 10:32 |
| troy | because if I was looking for support for configuring apache, the SNR regarding desktop issues in #ubuntu would turn me away | 10:33 |
| troy | and the people in here would be much more likely to pick up the question (less noise) | 10:33 |
| fabbione | yes i agree, but here nobody has time to do support | 10:33 |
| fabbione | at least i don't | 10:33 |
| fabbione | and considering the amount of people in here | 10:34 |
| fabbione | it's morelikely he can get an answer on #ubuntu than here | 10:34 |
| troy | like 6 of which are active, yes. but this channel is all of... 3 weeks old? | 10:34 |
| troy | fabbione: are you sponsored by anyone to do linux work? | 10:36 |
| fabbione | troy: i work for Canonical | 10:36 |
| fabbione | <- fabbione@ubuntu.com | 10:36 |
| troy | fabbione: I understand your stance now - I'm not used to having paid people having to budget their time in IRC channels | 10:37 |
| fabbione | troy: ehhe | 10:37 |
| troy | that said, I'd like to provide community support here when it's appropriate, and when I can | 10:37 |
| fabbione | troy: i am not against it | 10:38 |
| fabbione | don't get me wrong | 10:38 |
| fabbione | i don't want this chan to turn into #ubuntu2 | 10:39 |
| troy | but you are thinking about providing support in a more official capacity, which requires more people covering more time than the non-obligation varieties of community support | 10:39 |
| === troy doesn't know what #ubuntu2 is | ||
| troy | ahhh, not a literal :) | 10:39 |
| fabbione | #ubuntu2 -> yet another #ubuntu support channel | 10:39 |
| troy | right right | 10:39 |
| fabbione | troy: exactly.. that's why #ubuntu is somehow more appropriate.. because given the S/N ratio. it still has tons of more users that can actually help | 10:40 |
| fabbione | i can't be on IRC 24/7 | 10:40 |
| fabbione | neither can you | 10:40 |
| fabbione | or others | 10:40 |
| troy | no, but we are not obligated to be | 10:41 |
| fabbione | no | 10:41 |
| fabbione | we are not | 10:41 |
| troy | I put in the topic: for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels | 10:41 |
| fabbione | but if you turn the chan in support, people will be disappointed because it's still a bit too empty ;) | 10:41 |
| troy | that's the way I see it | 10:41 |
| troy | meh, it'll grow | 10:41 |
| fabbione | yeah it will | 10:41 |
| fabbione | as soon as i can announce the overall | 10:42 |
| fabbione | that's all stalled on the only list admin that unfortunatly is without inet connectivity atm | 10:42 |
| troy | I posted a note about it on ubuntuforums, and two or three people showed up from there | 10:42 |
| troy | that was maybe... a week ago or so -- also, added it to wiki list of channels | 10:43 |
| troy | at that point I was operating on the advice of JRiddel (I wonder if I spelled his nick right) | 10:44 |
| fabbione | riddel yeah :) | 10:47 |
| fabbione | that's ok | 10:47 |
| fabbione | good night guys | 10:51 |
| fabbione | cya tomorrow | 10:51 |
| troy | cheers fabbione | 10:52 |
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