=== ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === Topic for #ubuntu-server: ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels | Download Ubuntu Server Edition at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 === Topic (#ubuntu-server): set by troy at Tue Nov 22 23:37:49 2005 === Pygi [n=chatzill@83-131-246-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:13] hi hi [10:14] hey pi [10:14] o, I've got a new nick :) [10:17] I see you got ubuntu bot in here [10:20] good day folks [10:20] night' troy :) [10:20] no bot [10:20] it's just a irc log [10:21] ah [10:21] logs are on people.u.c/~fabbione/irclogs [10:21] the first will appear in about 20 minutes or so [10:26] fabbione: I've been meaning to mention this: I originally intended this channel to be a general discussion and support channel for server topics [10:26] troy: discussion ok .. support -> #ubuntu [10:26] why? [10:27] otherwise we can say goodbye to this channel for too much noise in a day or two [10:27] because the "server" software is the same that's in the archive [10:27] and support can be done on #ubuntu [10:27] there is no difference from any other package [10:27] they are just package [10:27] +s [10:28] I didn't really intend to become a devel channel - was thinking along the lines of #ubuntu is to #ubuntu-devel as #ubuntu-server is to #ubuntu-server-devel or somesuch -- it's pretty much standard in most freenode projects [10:28] #kubuntu gets it's own support channel [10:28] nah [10:29] trust me.. too many channels.. too much confusion [10:29] let's keep the resources to run a project to minimum [10:29] if we need to scale [10:29] we can [10:29] that's the important thing [10:29] but spreading too few people on too many channels (irc, mailing lists, etc) [10:29] I'm a big fan of dedicated channels for topics as the need arises [10:30] it's not productive imho [10:30] troy: that's why we can start we a minimum and scale if required [10:30] we also need to keep s/n ratio at a good rate [10:30] when #kde became too full in ... 1999 maybe, they split into #kde and #kde-devel [10:30] the same should happen here [10:30] exactly [10:30] if we will have too much traffic we will split [10:31] at the moment, we can do support in this channel without serious SNR problems [10:31] as it is now let's keep it mainly for devel [10:31] troy: we already saw 2/3 users coming here asking for general support [10:31] like: my nmap doesn't map [10:31] that's clearly not -server related [10:31] it will be difficult to tell people #ubuntu for this.. -server for that [10:32] IF there will be a need for a dedicate server support channel [10:32] fabbione: of course there will be overlap, just as there is between #ubuntu and #kubuntu [10:32] we will move development on -server-dev [10:32] and keep this one open for support [10:32] in the meantime, lets not shun people coming in here for support [10:33] because if I was looking for support for configuring apache, the SNR regarding desktop issues in #ubuntu would turn me away [10:33] and the people in here would be much more likely to pick up the question (less noise) [10:33] yes i agree, but here nobody has time to do support [10:33] at least i don't [10:34] and considering the amount of people in here [10:34] it's morelikely he can get an answer on #ubuntu than here [10:34] like 6 of which are active, yes. but this channel is all of... 3 weeks old? [10:36] fabbione: are you sponsored by anyone to do linux work? [10:36] troy: i work for Canonical [10:36] <- fabbione@ubuntu.com [10:37] fabbione: I understand your stance now - I'm not used to having paid people having to budget their time in IRC channels [10:37] troy: ehhe [10:37] that said, I'd like to provide community support here when it's appropriate, and when I can [10:38] troy: i am not against it [10:38] don't get me wrong [10:39] i don't want this chan to turn into #ubuntu2 [10:39] but you are thinking about providing support in a more official capacity, which requires more people covering more time than the non-obligation varieties of community support === troy doesn't know what #ubuntu2 is [10:39] ahhh, not a literal :) [10:39] #ubuntu2 -> yet another #ubuntu support channel [10:39] right right [10:40] troy: exactly.. that's why #ubuntu is somehow more appropriate.. because given the S/N ratio. it still has tons of more users that can actually help [10:40] i can't be on IRC 24/7 [10:40] neither can you [10:40] or others [10:41] no, but we are not obligated to be [10:41] no [10:41] we are not [10:41] I put in the topic: for general support see #ubuntu or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat for other channels [10:41] but if you turn the chan in support, people will be disappointed because it's still a bit too empty ;) [10:41] that's the way I see it [10:41] meh, it'll grow [10:41] yeah it will [10:42] as soon as i can announce the overall [10:42] that's all stalled on the only list admin that unfortunatly is without inet connectivity atm [10:42] I posted a note about it on ubuntuforums, and two or three people showed up from there [10:43] that was maybe... a week ago or so -- also, added it to wiki list of channels [10:44] at that point I was operating on the advice of JRiddel (I wonder if I spelled his nick right) [10:47] riddel yeah :) [10:47] that's ok [10:51] good night guys [10:51] cya tomorrow [10:52] cheers fabbione === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === troy wanders off for food === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-084-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-168-181.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server