[02:58] <arkan0x> hi 
[03:15] <mhz> hi
[03:16] <mhz> arkan0x: hi
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, ! hi
[03:17] <mhz> como estas
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, http://www.cdsl.cl/?q=node/90
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, bien
[03:18] <mhz> si lo vi
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, fui pal mac
[03:18] <mhz> y estoy de acuerdo
[03:18] <mhz> y ?
[03:18] <mhz> todo cool?
[03:18] <arkan0x> y claro , pantalla mala :(
[03:18] <mhz> hhehehe
[03:18] <mhz> lo dije
[03:18] <arkan0x> osea deje todo cool
[03:18] <mhz> ahhh
[03:18] <mhz> arkan0x: no esperaba menos
[03:18] <arkan0x> onda ke los pcs se prenden y el tarro terminal se conecta
[03:19] <arkan0x> al tiro
[03:19] <mhz> y el senor Baez ha ido?
[03:19] <arkan0x> nop
[03:19] <mhz> y viveros?
[03:19] <arkan0x> el domingo fue
[03:19] <mhz> quienes fueron a la reunion? (yo me desocupe a las 20:30 en Tobalba)
[03:20] <arkan0x> onda , yo , el gabriel y el gompa
[03:20] <mhz> naaaa!
[03:20] <arkan0x> sep
[03:20] <mhz> lo lamento!
[03:20] <mhz> y por que lo haces?
[03:21] <arkan0x> pq hay ke difundir igual
[03:21] <mhz> sip
[03:21] <mhz> pero por que no lo haces a tu manera? 
[03:22] <arkan0x> ?????
[03:22] <mhz> en algun lugar o forma que te sientas comodo y no presionado a abarcar cosas que no decidiste
[03:22] <arkan0x> aaa claro
[03:22] <arkan0x> tranquilo , ya vendran esos dias , XD
[03:22] <mhz> hehehe
[03:22] <mhz> ojala
[03:22] <arkan0x> pero primero hay que partir por lo dificil
[03:22] <mhz> me da mucha lata que te saques la mugre tu y otros 2
[03:23] <mhz> nha!
[03:23] <arkan0x> osea hay que pasar por esto ...
[03:23] <arkan0x> pa no cometer los mismo errores en el futuro
[03:25] <mhz> tienes inkscape?
[03:26] <arkan0x> sep
[03:27] <arkan0x> mhz, problemas con nat parece
[03:27] <arkan0x> problemas mios xD
[03:27] <mhz> oo
[03:28] <arkan0x> mhz, por web ,apacheo ?
[03:28] <arkan0x> ,mail?
[03:28] <mhz> okis
[03:30] <arkan0x> mhz, working suspend and NIC ?
[03:30] <mhz> not tried yet
[03:30] <mhz> but will as soon as I can :)
[03:30] <mhz> mail sent, arkan0x 
[03:31] <arkan0x> and , ## the interfaces the seccion "mapping hotplug" ?
[03:31] <arkan0x> and , ## the interfaces in the seccion "mapping hotplug" ?
[03:31] <arkan0x> xD
[03:34] <mhz> si cacho que tienes razon ahi
[03:34] <arkan0x> mhz, ta wueno el logo
[03:34] <arkan0x> eso zi , tiende como a corporativo
[03:35] <mhz> sipo!
[03:36] <mhz> lo veremos en rojo luego (en vez de aranjo
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, usas algun software Voip , como gnomemeeting ?
[03:37] <mhz> jamas lo he usado, pero supongo que podria
[03:37] <mhz> deseas probar ahora?
[03:38] <arkan0x> calmao
[03:40] <arkan0x> ya probemos
[03:40] <arkan0x> pero tienes microfono a mano ?
[03:40] <arkan0x> si no , no hay drama
[03:41] <mhz> executing
[03:41] <mhz> configuring
[03:43] <mhz> ya
[03:43] <mhz> arkan0x: como se hace?
[03:44] <mhz> arkan0x: ??
[03:44] <mhz> arkaaaaaannn000000x
[03:44] <arkan0x> mhz, !!!
[03:45] <mhz> h323: url?
[03:45] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[03:45] <arkan0x>  201.214.72.133
[03:46] <mhz> calling...
[03:46] <mhz> remote host is offline
[03:47] <mhz> h323:201.214.72.133
[03:47] <mhz> o le saco el h323?
[03:47] <arkan0x> mhz,  no
[03:58] <mhz> arkan0x: oops
[03:59] <mhz> se me fue la bateria
[03:59] <mhz> hehehe
[03:59] <arkan0x> okidokis
[03:59] <mhz> podemos probar de nuevo?
[03:59] <mhz> le pusiste beep al Xchat?
[04:00] <arkan0x> beep ?
[04:00] <arkan0x> wtf?
[04:00] <mhz> arkan0x: beep al Xchat? arkan0x arkan0x 
[04:00] <mhz> te suena?
[04:00] <mhz> te suena cuand te pingeo?
[04:01] <mhz> Burgundavia: hi
[04:01] <arkan0x> mhz,  nu
[04:01] <arkan0x> nu me gustan los sonidos xD
[04:01] <mhz> ahh
[04:01] <mhz> ok
[04:01] <arkan0x> en mensajeria 
[04:01] <arkan0x> pero haver
[04:01] <mhz> bueno, probamos el gnomemeeting?
[04:01] <arkan0x> vamos a probar en irc
[04:01] <arkan0x> yap
[04:01] <mhz> arkan0x: 
[04:01] <mhz> arkan0x: te sono?
[04:03] <arkan0x> mhz,  no
[04:03] <mhz> arkan0x: 
[04:03] <mhz> arkan0x: ahora?
[04:04] <arkan0x> mhz, no
[04:04] <arkan0x> eske no tengo configurado los sonidos en xchat
[04:04] <mhz> ah, ok
[04:04] <Burgundavia> salut mhz 
[04:05] <mhz> y como probaMOS gnomemeeting, arkan0x 
[04:05] <mhz> Burgundavia: salut
[04:05] <arkan0x> mhz, conectate a mi ip
[04:05] <arkan0x> 201.214.72.133 
[04:05] <arkan0x> mhz, 
[04:06] <mhz> pero si trato pu
[04:06] <arkan0x> y nu pasa na :(?
[04:06] <mhz> y me dice: remote host is offline
[04:06] <arkan0x> mmm
[04:06] <arkan0x> calmao , deja abrir el puerto
[04:06] <mhz> duh!
[04:10] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[04:11] <mhz> arkan0x: !
[04:11] <arkan0x> mhz, nmapeame 201.214.72.133 
[04:11] <mhz> hahahaha nice verb
[04:11] <mhz> dejame ver si tengo nmpa
[04:12] <mhz> nmap
[04:13] <mhz> siempre demora tanto?
[04:13] <mhz> el nmap/
[04:13] <arkan0x> sep
[04:14] <mhz> All 1663 scanned ports on pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net (201.214.72.133) are: filtered
[04:14] <mhz> Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 42.631 seconds
[04:15] <ajmitch_> hm
[04:15] <mhz> ajmitch_: hi
[04:15] <ajmitch_> hello
[04:15] <mhz> ajmitch_: too much spenish for you?
[04:15] <mhz> spanish
[04:16] <mhz> ajmitch_: we are saying we wanna be just like M$
[04:16] <mhz> we love M$
[04:16] <mhz> ajmitch_: in fact we're organizing M$ Love Day
[04:16] <ajmitch_> wonderful
[04:16] <arkan0x> mhz, testing again
[04:18] <mhz> arkan0x: but that ip is for the desktop or laptop
[04:18] <arkan0x> mhz, redireccione puertos 
[04:19] <mhz> ahh
[04:19] <arkan0x> mhz, osea en teoria XD
[04:19] <mhz> hehehe
[04:19] <arkan0x> segun firewall-jay
[04:19] <arkan0x> eso hize
[04:19] <mhz> hmmm
[04:19] <mhz> e iptables?
[04:20] <arkan0x> firewall-jay , script en perl+dialog de iptables
[04:20] <mhz> duh
[04:20] <arkan0x> coomo firestarter pero mas bakan
[04:20] <mhz> ooooohh
[04:20] <arkan0x> eske firestarter es bueno ,pero no soporta compartir para mas de 2 interfaces
[04:21] <mhz> ni idea
[04:21] <arkan0x> algo tonto ,pero que recien en la version siguiente esta soportado
[04:21] <mhz> solo he usado iptables manualmente
[04:21] <arkan0x> algo que en iptables a manopla seria una linea mas
[04:21] <arkan0x> que en firewall-jay , un enter mas xD
[04:22] <mhz> ahhh
[04:22] <mhz> buen punto
[04:23] <arkan0x> mhz, te conecta ?
[04:25] <mhz> dejame ver..
[04:25] <mhz> remote user is unreachable
[04:25] <arkan0x> o prueba con arkanox.homelinux.org
[04:25] <mhz> okis
[04:25] <mhz> idem
[04:25] <arkan0x> mmm
[04:25] <arkan0x> me sale ke tengo el puerto abierto :(
[04:27] <mhz> nmaping
[04:34] <mhz> que puerto usa esta cuestion?
[04:34] <mhz> arkan0x: que te parecio el UbuntuRequestDay?
[04:35] <mhz> arkan0x: solo el 80 esta ok
[04:35] <mhz> arkan0x: hiciste la config. al inicio de gnomemeeting, testeando NAT ?
[05:40] <DaBass> hey
[05:48] <DaBass> anybody here?
[08:59] <juliux> morning
[09:00] <juliux> JaneW, do you have the ubuntu cd labels as svg or png? we will burn and print ubuntu dvds in germany
[09:01] <juliux> JaneW, if you have please mail to juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[09:01] <juliux> thanks
[10:29] <JaneW> juliux: ubuntu or edubuntu? I don't have ubuntu labels. and the edubuntu stuff is at: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, ubuntu and edubunt
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, who can i ask for a ubuntu cd label?
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, i want to make a DVD label
[10:31] <juliux> JaneW, the problem is that i don't want to work with gimp
[10:44] <JaneW> juliux: I sent you what I have, but it's pdf...
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, ok thanks
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, who else can i ask?
[10:44] <JaneW> Jane Silber
[10:44] <JaneW> you'll see in the e-mail
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, thanks i will write her an e-mail
[10:45] <juliux> JaneW, we will buy for germany a printer who can print cds/dvds
[10:45] <juliux> ok i will be away
[10:45] <juliux> cu
[10:53] <JaneW> juliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing <- all you are looking for
[10:53] <JaneW> mhz: you will be interested in that too ^
[11:59] <Belutz> ogra, you there?
[12:01] <ogra> Belutz, whatsup ?
[12:02] <Belutz> ogra, you have the presentation slides for edubuntu? I got 30 minutes time in the Debian Conference
[12:03] <ogra> Belutz, havent them ready yet for sending ...but 30min is fine
[12:04] <ogra> err, debian conference ? which one ? 
[12:05] <Belutz> Debian Conference II in Indonesia, you can check the website at http://debconf.vlsm.org , but it's in Indonesian
[12:05] <ogra> indonesia ? 
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:06] <Belutz> the problem is that jsgotangco can't come to do the speech, so maybe one from our loco team will do the presentation
[12:06] <Belutz> yup Indonesia
[12:06] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/edubuntu_talk.pdf
[12:07] <ogra> thats the talk i held on ubuntu love day in montreal
[12:07] <Belutz> ok, thanks :)
[12:07] <Belutz> is it ok, if we translate it into Indonesian?
[12:08] <ogra> its not very good, but a base to build on ... i'll hold another talk in german next week, i'll proably put an updated version online (even in english)
[12:08] <Belutz> ok, i'll be checking for it next week
[12:08] <ogra> when is ths conference ? there is no date on the frontpage
[12:09] <Belutz> its on december 3rd
[12:09] <ogra> oh
[12:09] <ogra> mine too :)
[12:09] <Belutz> wew :-)
[12:09] <Belutz> maybe we will present about ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu briefly
[12:10] <Belutz> they also provide one booth for us
[12:10] <ogra> thats great :)
[12:11] <Belutz> :)
[12:34] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[12:34] <ogra> Yagisan, pong
[12:35] <Yagisan> ogra: finally had a chance to sit down at the pc since bub came out, and I noticed my multi-arch patch for ltsp isn't in dapper
[12:36] <Yagisan> ogra: you mentioned that you had a fixed version ?
[12:36] <ogra> not *yet* in dapper
[12:36] <ogra> yes
[12:36] <ogra> mdz didnt merge my branch yet, he wants some fixes in ldm before
[12:36] <ogra> i'm abot to do them tonight
[12:36] <Yagisan> ogra: ah, ok
[12:37] <Yagisan> ogra: So I should see it appear in a few days ?
[12:37] <ogra> expect it to be in before end of next week, he wanted some (trivial) fixes on your patch too .... (--arch <arch> instead of --<arch>)
[12:37] <ogra> yup
[12:39] <Yagisan> ogra: :) OK - I'll give it another tinker next week
[12:40] <ogra> dont worry, i'll make it ...
[12:40] <Yagisan> ogra: I've spent some time trying to track down why accelerated opengl isn't working on the clients today
[12:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I discovered that the thin client *does* load dri drivers according to the X.org log on the client
[12:41] <ogra> dont put to much time into this, we wont schip the restricted modules package by default ...
[12:42] <Yagisan> ogra: but for whatever reason I end up with MesaGL Indirect when running glxinfo
[12:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I managed to dig up a 2GB hdd, and shoehorn breezy on to it, and put it into my test client
[12:43] <ogra> yes, because the app can only attach to the servers /dev/{nvidia, dri , whatever}
[12:43] <ogra> you would have to export the direct access to the hardware somehow
[12:43] <ogra> at least thats my theory
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm - anyway - the local install had the correct renderer "Mesa DRI Radeon 20050528 AGP 1x TCL"
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra: with the same packages as the thin client, so that would seem to support your theory
[12:45] <ogra> which somehow fits into this ...
[12:45] <ogra> :)
[12:46] <Yagisan> ogra: that it can't access the local devices
[12:46] <ogra> yup
[12:46] <Yagisan> ogra: IIRC wasn't local devices a dapper spec ?
[12:46] <ogra> and exporting them is not possivle
[12:46] <ogra> for block device access, yes
[12:47] <ogra> but thats solved in another way ... you cant export devices to the server ...
[12:47] <ogra> they are maaaaaaagic files ...
[12:47] <ogra> whoops
[12:47] <ogra> EKBD
[12:49] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm - anyway I did discover that a Pentium2 300 + Radeon 7500 are enough to easily run my opengl apps
[12:49] <ogra> yup
[12:50] <ogra> but still, you cnt solve this problem in a secure way ... except if you put a whole OS into the chroot ...
[12:50] <ogra> but thats rather a "very thick client" solution
[12:52] <Yagisan> ogra: does "vanilla" ltsp have accelerated  opengl ?
[12:52] <ogra> nope
[12:53] <ogra> they dont even have nvidia or ati drivers
[12:53] <ogra> thats why we decided to drop them too... is a big memory hog to have them installed and the volatile l-r-m directory in a ramdisk ...
[12:54] <Yagisan> ogra: that reminds me - I should ask why that did the volatile l-r-m
[12:54] <Yagisan> s/that/they
[12:55] <ogra> becuase its faster to load drivers from the ramdisk i guess ...
[12:55] <Yagisan> ogra: in that case - load the whole kernel into a ramdisk
[12:56] <ogra> why ? the kernel is already in memory ...
[12:56] <Yagisan> ogra: I heard rumors that a distro was given a cease and desist for shipping non-free modules
[12:56] <Yagisan> ogra: but not all kernel modules are in memory
[12:57] <ogra> nope
[12:57] <ogra> but the display modules are probably critical for bootspeed
[12:57] <Yagisan> ogra: would that be a reason for a volatile l-r-m ?
[12:58] <ogra> i think so... but i'm only guessing... ask Keybuk or BenC for such stuff
[12:58] <Yagisan> ogra: K
[12:59] <Yagisan> ogra: the faster client boot up patches, you are also merging them tonight ?
[12:59] <ogra> nope
[01:00] <ogra> thats still WIP ... as the local devices
[01:05] <Yagisan> ogra: thinking about the opengl app vs a "normal" x11 app - both send their display commands from the thin client server (which is an X11 client)
[01:05] <Yagisan> to the thin client (which is an X11 server)
[01:07] <Yagisan> now the X11 server on the thin client isn't loading dri drivers for opengl apps
[01:07] <Yagisan> yet, because the X11 server is running on the thin client - it should be able to
[01:09] <Yagisan> when the thin client boots - It loads / over nfs right ?
[01:09] <Yagisan> would it be possible to mount the thin clients /proc and /dev after mounting / over nfs ?
[01:10] <Yagisan> that should give the thin clients X11 server access to dri/nvidia/ati/matrox/whatever devices
[01:11] <Yagisan> and allow accelerated opengl, and possibly other accelerated graphics functions
[01:15] <Yagisan> ogra: thoughts ?
[02:22] <mhz> hi all
[02:23] <mhz> highvoltage: yup, one manifesto for all flavours and all flavours for one manifesto!
[02:29] <mhz> zakame: hi
[02:29] <mhz> wb
[02:29] <zakame> hey mhz :D
[02:58] <mhz> hi juliux 
[02:58] <juliux> hi mhz 
[02:58] <juliux> mhz, have you make the cd label for edubuntu?
[02:59] <mhz> isn't it ok, the current one?
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, its perfect
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, but can you make also on for amd64
[03:00] <mhz> ohh, yo mean the changes to it? like This is for "your PC" stuff?
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, right
[03:00] <mhz> ahhhhhhh
[03:00] <juliux> mhz,  i need it next weekend
[03:00] <mhz> yes, it will/should be done tomorrow
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, and if you have time can you make them with no cd but dvd ?
[03:01] <mhz> no problem. Can I ask you an unusual favor? Can you please send me an email requesting it?
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, ok i will send you an e-mail with this stuff
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, e-mail?
[03:01] <mhz> thx for understanding
[03:01] <mhz> please
[03:02] <mhz> oh, sure
[03:02] <juliux> mhz, no problem
[03:02] <mhz> mhz@tecnocimiento.cl
[03:02] <mhz> or
[03:02] <mhz> mhz.chile@gmail.com
[03:02] <juliux> oh no gamil.com adress
[03:04] <juliux> mhz, send
[03:04] <mhz> okis
[03:04] <mhz> juliux: you dislike gmail?
[03:05] <juliux> mhz, yes
[03:05] <mhz> I dislike yahoo and hotmail
[03:05] <mhz> why?
[03:05] <juliux> mhz, i don't want to have an e-mailservice which saves every e-mail from me in a database
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: don't many e-mails do that?
[03:14] <mhz> juliux: many people can't just afford either technically or cost to have their own service
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, yes but i have my own server and my own domains
[03:18] <mhz> cool
[03:18] <mhz> you can afford it and cost it
[03:18] <highvoltage> mhz: glad you agree! bbl.
[03:18] <mhz> highvoltage: ?
[03:19] <juliux> mhz, do you want to have an account?
[03:19] <highvoltage> mhz: manifesto
[03:19] <mhz> juliux: not yet (I have @tecnocimiento.cl) but I'd like to have some tech info so I can think about it :)
[03:19] <juliux> mhz, ok
[03:19] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, yes.
[03:20] <juliux> mhz, i have to go shopping
[03:20] <mhz> juliux: np, have a nice spending money time
[03:20] <mhz> :D
[04:20] <mhz> Yagisan: hi happy dad!!!
[04:20] <zakame> hey Yagisan :)
[04:24] <Yagisan> G'day mhz, zakame
[04:24] <ogra> Yagisan, sorry for not answering before ... was dragged away by some work stuff
[04:25] <ogra> but as i said before, we dont ship the binary drivers anymore in dapper
[04:25] <Yagisan> no worries ogra - I took the time to repair my firewall - hence my logging out
[04:25] <ogra> and exporting /dev isnt possible... the files in there are magic files, you cant just export them via nfs
[04:26] <mhz> ogra: hi. Where can usually find jdub. 'whois' command report only his name but not #channel info :)
[04:26] <ogra> you could export /proc, but thats very ugly and i dont see how to do that in a secure way
[04:27] <mhz> Yagisan: are you trying to make ubuntu look like gentoo?
[04:27] <ogra> mhz, he's in -devel but on australian timezone, so he might be sleeping (not everybody is as crazy as Yagisan *g*)
[04:27] <mhz> hehehehe
[04:27] <mhz> indeed
[04:28] <Yagisan> pff - I'm not crazy - I'm "gifted"
[04:28] <ogra> heh
[04:28] <mhz> ogra: is not that Yagisan is crazy, it's just that new babies (not girlfriends) usually dont let you sleep
[04:28] <mhz> Yagisan: hehehhe
[04:28] <ogra> its the same with new girlfriends imho ;)
[04:28] <mhz> lol!
[04:28] <mhz> ogra: you can tell
[04:29] <ogra> (not that i had one the last 5 years ... and i dont plan to ;) )
[04:29] <zakame> hah
[04:29] <zakame> a
[04:30] <mhz> he can keep low profile
[04:30] <ogra> heh
[04:31] <Yagisan> mhz: why do you think I'm trying to make ubuntu look like gentoo ?
[04:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why you need binaires?
[04:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why you need binaires shipped?
[04:32] <ogra> mhz, for openGL
[04:32] <Yagisan> mhz: OpenGL
[04:32] <mhz> duh!
[04:32] <mhz> and why should they be shipped?
[04:32] <Yagisan> For my system I need dri, and nvidia
[04:32] <ogra> but they eat a hilarious amount of memory, so we wont ship them
[04:32] <Yagisan> s/system/systems
[04:33] <ogra> its described ps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientMemoryUsage spec
[04:33] <ogra> hmm... EKBD
[04:33] <ogra> its described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientMemoryUsage spec
[04:34] <mhz> ogra: EKBD=EdubuntuKeyBoard?
[04:34] <ogra> Keyboard Error
[04:34] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <mhz> ahh
[04:35] <Yagisan> ogra: shouldn't the X11 server (on the thin client) already have access to the magic files in /dev ?
[04:35] <ogra> Yagisan, on the client, yes
[04:35] <ogra> but yur apps still run on the server and need direct access to the device for OGL
[04:36] <ogra> feel free to make a howto if you have a working setup ;)
[04:36] <ogra> we can think about it for dapper+1
[04:36] <Yagisan> ogra: If I understand the glx extension properly, shouldn't that encapsulate the opengl commands and ship the to the thin client ?
[04:37] <Yagisan> s/ship the/ship them/
[04:37] <ogra> i dont know exactly to be honest
[04:37] <ogra> and its not in my focus for this release
[04:37] <mhz> Yagisan: if you do make a howto, please consider wiking it and ommiting "by author" :)
[04:38] <Yagisan> mhz: first I need to beat it into submission
[04:39] <mhz> hehehe
[04:39] <ogra> Yagisan, i think you'll run into ssh issues with it sshd sets the DISPLAY to localhost:10.0
[04:39] <ogra> (on the server)
[04:42] <Yagisan> what was the link for the ubuntu pastebin ?
[04:44] <Yagisan> ogra: what sort of ssh issues would I be looking at ?
[04:45] <ogra> sshd runs local and sets the DISPLAY to localhost:10.0 and then exports the datastream... there is no "real" X forwarding going on here
[04:47] <Yagisan> ah, that would explain "name of display: localhost:10.0" in glxinfo
[04:49] <ogra> yup
[04:49] <ogra> and the slowness you see
[04:51] <Yagisan> k, this is glxinfo on the client http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/629
[04:51] <Yagisan> and this is breezy on the same box http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/630
[05:55] <juliux> hi Seveas 
[05:56] <Seveas> hi
[05:57] <juliux> hi mhz 
[05:57] <mhz> re
[05:57] <mhz> hi
[05:57] <mhz> I saw your emails, thx
[05:57] <juliux> mhz, ok
[05:57] <juliux> mhz, the first e-mail i have allready replayed
[05:58] <mhz> :)
[05:58] <juliux> mhz, you can say that it was your idea
[05:58] <juliux> mhz, are you a good gimp user?
[05:59] <mhz> nope, that's the point. I usually participate with designers and discuss ideas, layouts, etc. Even, sometimes I draw them on paper so they can make it SVG or other files.
[05:59] <mhz> juliux: nope
[05:59] <mhz> terrible
[05:59] <juliux> mhz, me too
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe
[05:59] <mhz> I can change texts thou
[05:59] <mhz> :D
[05:59] <juliux> mhz, but i have to design ubuntu dvd labes
[05:59] <mhz> np
[05:59] <mhz> you'll have them
[06:00] <juliux> mhz, the problem is that jane, not janeW has the ubuntu labels only as an eps file
[06:01] <juliux> mhz, and with eps you only have one layer
[06:02] <mhz> juliux: that's what I also complained few weeks ago. NON free formats
[06:03] <juliux> mhz, i would like it if there is a svg
[06:03] <juliux> mhz, so can make every thing you want with the file
[06:03] <mhz> I personally have no issues if they want to create non-free files, but they must AT least start with a free format first.
[06:04] <mhz> otherwise, I can think that Ubuntu uses M$ machines to generate their work
[06:04] <mhz> juliux: you will have them on SVG
[06:04] <Yagisan> eps == postscript
[06:04] <mhz> at least if Pablo and I are working
[06:05] <juliux> Yagisan, yes that is the problem
[06:05] <juliux> mhz, i want to work on it with inkscape
[06:05] <mhz> Yagisan: I saw Illustrator files
[06:05] <juliux> mhz, because inkscape rocks
[06:05] <mhz> yup, indeed
[06:05] <mhz> Yagisan: you otta be sleeping!
[06:06] <Yagisan> getting ready for bed now
[06:06] <mhz> .oO(Yagisan is "gifted")
[06:06] <mhz> :D
[06:06] <Yagisan> what's the issue with eps - the single layer ?
[06:06] <mhz> dont know, ask juliux 
[06:07] <mhz> Yagisan: multilayers can offer many options
[06:07] <juliux> Yagisan, yes the single layeer
[06:08] <juliux> Yagisan, you cant change the text on the picture
[06:08] <Yagisan> ok - I exported my business card designs to eps before sending them to the printer
[06:09] <Yagisan> not really a good choice until the artwork is finished
[06:09] <juliux> Yagisan, yes
[06:10] <mhz> indeed
[06:11] <juliux> Yagisan, an eps file you cann't change
[06:11] <mhz> hhhhmmmm, i guess there's a way to change eps files (eps tools or something from command line)
[06:11] <juliux> yes to pdf
[06:12] <Yagisan> juliux: gimp works with eps
[06:13] <Yagisan> juliux: I can vandalise my eps files easily with it
[06:13] <juliux> Yagisan, i know that but you cann't change the text
[06:13] <juliux> Yagisan, you have to remove the text and make it than new
[06:14] <Yagisan> juliux: yep - but if that is your source - you need to do it anyway ...
[06:15] <juliux> Yagisan, yes and that is the problem
[06:15] <juliux> Yagisan, mhz and I want to have the labels as svg or something differen
[06:16] <mhz> and we will!
[06:17] <juliux> yes sorry we wannt
[06:17] <mhz> juliux: you have that eps source for DVd's?
[06:17] <juliux> want
[06:17] <juliux> mhz, no
[06:17] <juliux> mhz, there is only the source for vd
[06:17] <juliux> cd
[06:17] <mhz> can you show me the url?
[06:18] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[06:18] <juliux> there stand  Download the artwork for CD faces, for as source for pressed CDs or labels.
[06:18] <Yagisan> import - save as <format choice> - manually redo label - shoot person that lost originals - enjoy cold beverage of choice ;)
[06:19] <mhz> ??????
[06:19] <mhz> less sleping is affecting ya
[06:19] <mhz> m8
[06:20] <mhz> sorry
[06:20] <mhz> gifted m8
[06:20] <Yagisan> I thought your issue was you have .eps and you want .svg ?
[06:24] <mhz> well, that too
[06:24] <mhz> :)
[06:28] <Yagisan> night all
[06:29] <juliux> mhz, do you see it?
[06:29] <mhz> yup
[06:35] <juliux> mhz, thanks
[06:36] <mhz> juliux: SVG's for DVD's and 'easy to change texts' way can bre ready by 19:00
[06:37] <mhz> not it's 14:30
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, that would be great
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, do you have it as svg?
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, ubuntu or edubuntu
[06:37] <mhz> the SVG's we did and ulpaded had traced "texts" meaning they cannot be changed (mainly for printing purposes so they keep fonts)
[06:38] <mhz> yup
[06:38] <mhz> I do have them and uploaded
[06:38] <mhz> however, you'll only be able to change colours not texts :(
[06:38] <mhz> so, this next 'release'
[06:38] <mhz> will have both:
[06:39] <mhz> a) SVG without tracing, risking you will not see same fonts when printing
[06:39] <mhz> b) SVG traced texts, so you change background colors and add own texts
[06:40] <mhz> (but not change default texts) :(
[06:40] <mhz> juliux: see the diff?
[06:40] <juliux> mhz, not realy
[06:42] <mhz> ok, i'll try to explain clearer
[06:43] <mhz> hmm.. SVG files are very cool to work with. However, when we use texts on them, these texts may suffer font changes depending on who is opening the files (if you have support for such fonts)
[06:44] <mhz> so if we upload only SVG file with no "text treatment", such as "tracing", the way I see the file (very cool) and the way you actually see it when you open it, may be very different
[06:44] <mhz> juliux: understand that part?
[06:44] <juliux> yes
[06:44] <mhz> cool
[06:44] <juliux> i understand
[06:44] <mhz> second part
[06:45] <mhz> ... Therefore, Pablo and I will upload 2 versions of same work
[06:45] <mhz> One version with text treatment so any user can play with colors and adding or deleting stuff
[06:45] <mhz> BUT as text will be "traced" he will not be able to change the contents
[06:46] <mhz> the Second version will have no "text treatment"
[06:47] <mhz> and so, any user will be able to do as he whishes knowing that we are not responsible if the final output is not exactly as it looks in the PNG we uploaded
[06:47] <mhz> juliux: understand that part?
[06:47] <juliux> mhz, yes not it is clear
[06:47] <mhz> notor now?
[06:47] <juliux> notor?
[06:47] <mhz> not or now?
[06:47] <mhz> hehe,we suck
[06:47] <mhz> :lollol
[06:47] <juliux> now
[06:47] <mhz> aaah
[06:47] <mhz> ok
[06:48] <juliux> ok so if you have the right fonts you can play with the text
[06:48] <juliux> but why we use nonfree fonts?
[06:48] <mhz> should be possible, yes
[06:48] <mhz> not non free. we can use any font
[06:49] <mhz> we are trying to make CD's look just like official Ubuntu CD's
[06:49] <mhz> and we still can't figure out the exact cd breezy is using for label and case texts
[06:49] <mhz> exact font, i meant
[06:52] <juliux> ok
[06:52] <juliux> mhz, i have no problem with an other font
[06:53] <juliux> but the total design should look like the official
[06:53] <mhz> that is what we try
[06:54] <juliux> cool
[06:54] <juliux> that is very good
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[07:25] <mhz> ogra: sorry, who is missing the vote? mako or mdke?
[07:25] <ogra> mhz, mako
[07:26] <mhz> ok, thx