[12:04] <us3r> ok, thanks ^^
[12:05] <gsnedders> carsten: duron 700mhz
[12:05] <carsten> gsnedders: i guess you need 133 Mhz modules.
[12:06] <gsnedders> carsten: 1 SDRAM PC100 chip is already there
[12:06] <pai> hi!!
[12:06] <carsten> gsnedders:  and i guess that the 256 MB modules would have to be 8 chip single sided
[12:06] <pai> who know printer settings?
[12:06] <carsten> gsnedders: oh
[12:06] <pai> plz..
[12:06] <carsten> gsnedders: then better forget what i said.
[12:06] <gsnedders> :)
[12:07] <pai> ...
[12:07] <carsten> okay. i have kate now. i saved it in my home directory going to replace the sources now
[12:07] <pai> something about epson configuration!
[12:07] <pai> please!
[12:08] <pai> it doesnt print anything..
[12:08] <pai> and i need it!
[12:08] <carsten> pai: sorry i have no idea about printers under linux
[12:08] <carsten> i dont have a source.list file, did you mean sources.list?
[12:09] <l3m> yes
[12:09] <l3m>    /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:11] <carsten> okay, now (a) sudo apt-get install vlc or (b) sudo apt-get install w32codecs or (c) sudo apt-get update ?
[12:12] <l3m> c
[12:12] <pai> you must copu the win32 dir on /usr/lib!!
[12:12] <l3m> carsten: and i'd use mplayer instead of vlc or xine to watch movies
[12:12] <_jorge> how can I set the default apps for certain files, like, when I click a link it always opens konquerer, I want it to open in firefox
[12:13] <l3m> _jorge: system settings->kde components->component chooser
[12:14] <l3m> err kcontrol->kde components->component chooser
[12:14] <carsten> GPG error ?
[12:14] <l3m> carsten: ignore
[12:14] <_jorge> how can I get to kcontrol, besides typing it in the terminal
[12:14] <carsten> why do i need w32codecs? what are they good for?
[12:14] <l3m> _jorge: alt-f2 and typing
[12:15] <l3m> carsten: they play movie formats for which only a windows codec exists
[12:15] <_jorge> no, I mean, where in the menu is kcontrol
[12:15] <l3m> _jorge: it's not. system setting is supposed to replace it ( and does in 99% of cases )
[12:15] <_jorge> kay
[12:15] <carsten> thanks again
[12:16] <carsten> after sudo apt-get update do i have to restart my machine?
[12:16] <pai> epson cx 3650.. help me!
[12:16] <l3m> carsten: no
[12:16] <carsten> thanks again
[12:16] <l3m> carsten: in linux, you don't have to reboot after installing software ;)
[12:16] <l3m> carsten: it's only windows who wants that
[12:16] <l3m> ;)
[12:17] <carsten> the problem is, that i often dont know what the commands do...
[12:17] <carsten> currently i install the w32codecs, after that i install mplayer i guess via "sudo apt-get install mplayer" ?
[12:18] <Fillado> [23:18]  <carsten> after sudo apt-get update do i have to restart my machine? <--- that just updates your systems database of what packages are available, sudo apt-get upgrade  updates everything
[12:18] <Fillado> ^yup :)
[12:18] <Fillado> i've found vlc is better though
[12:18] <l3m> carsten: sudo apt-get install mplayer vlc w32codecs 
[12:18] <l3m> carsten: sudo apt-get install mplayer-586 vlc w32codecs 
[12:19] <l3m> Fillado: really? i think mplayer is WAY better than vlc
[12:19] <Fillado> oh - you only have to restart if it's something that's already in use eg. Kernel
[12:19] <carsten> l3m: i think i already installed w32codecs
[12:19] <l3m> not to start a flamewar or so, but why do you prefer vlc?
[12:19] <Fillado> i have audio sync issue with mplayer
[12:19] <Fillado> *s
[12:20] <Fillado> works fine otherwise
[12:20] <l3m> Fillado: use a different -ao, probably sdl or or alsa
[12:20] <l3m> Fillado: i think it defaults to oss, which is emulated using alsa, which is slow sometimes
[12:20] <pai> how to see what usb has the printer linked to?
[12:20] <Fillado> it's set to alsa
[12:21] <l3m> but you can set it in .mplayer/config ( ao=alsa or ao=sdl ) so you don't have to type it everytime
[12:21] <pai> how to see what usb has the printer linked to?
[12:21] <l3m> lsusb 
[12:21] <pai> how to see what usb has the printer linked on?
[12:22] <l3m> pai: lsusb
[12:22] <pai> the name.. 
[12:22] <pai> .../dev/usb...
[12:22] <pai> what dev?
[12:23] <carsten> under XP i used an FTP client with the name filezilla. is there something similar under kubuntu?
[12:23] <l3m> pau: lsusb
[12:23] <l3m> pai: lsusb
[12:23] <l3m> pai: just believe me, man ;)
[12:23] <pai> root@carrettino:/home/pai# lsusb
[12:23] <pai> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05e3:0760 Genesys Logic, Inc. Card Reader
[12:23] <pai> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[12:23] <pai> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:080e Seiko Epson Corp.
[12:23] <pai> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 045e:007d Microsoft Corp. Notebook Optical Mouse
[12:23] <pai> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[12:23] <l3m> carsten: you can just use konqueror
[12:24] <pai> is what i see
[12:24] <Fillado> carsten: if you want to search for packages, open up Adept and just search for what you want :)
[12:24] <l3m> carsten: just open konqueror and type ftp://something in the location bar
[12:25] <l3m> carsten: if you want a more traditional ftp view, press CTRL-SHIFT-L
[12:25] <l3m> carsten: and CTRL-SHIFT-R to go back to the original mode
[12:25] <pai> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:080e Seiko Epson Corp. what is the /dev?
[12:26] <carsten> cool, thanks
[12:26] <Fillado> [23:28]  <l3m> carsten: and CTRL-SHIFT-R to go back to the original mode <-- thanks for that :D
[12:26] <nalioth> pai: please dont paste in here (see the /topic)
[12:26] <pai> ok..
[12:26] <l3m> pai: i don't think you printer is on a /dev/usbx device node. that's pre udev afaik
[12:27] <pai> what?
[12:27] <carsten> okay, there are a lot of newbee questions for me. one other would be that i made a mistake at the install and the sudo password is now the same as my user password. how can i change that? the sudo password?
[12:27] <l3m> carsten: the sudo password IS the user password
[12:27] <Fillado> it should be the same
[12:28] <l3m> carsten: you don't have a separate root password in kubuntu
[12:28] <l3m> carsten: if you want to change your password, you can do it by typing "passwd" in the console or by using the system settings->user & groups tool
[12:30] <l3m> carsten: you can control who has access to sudo by using "visudo" 
[12:31] <l3m> carsten: e.g. if you want to be the only one who can sudo but want other users on the system
[12:31] <carsten> ah i see now
[12:32] <l3m> pai: your printer is somewhere in /sys/bus/usb/devices
[12:32] <carsten> i thought i made an mistake at the install, and i entered my password twice.
[12:32] <alandd> Quick quesiton about running GNOME apps on KDE desktop on Kubuntu:  What is the easiest way to set that up?  Install Ubuntu and then get the kubuntu-desktop package?
[12:32] <pai> what addres might i give to kprinter?
[12:32] <carsten> i just started mplayer. the video and audio playback is not very smooth :(
[12:33] <l3m> alandd: you have access to all gnome apps in "normal" kubuntu too, after you've installed them
[12:33] <Fillado> alandd: use apt-get, it'll get the things you need to run it without gnome
[12:33] <l3m> carsten: use kate to edit .mplayer/config in your home directory
[12:34] <l3m> and add this: "vo=xv" and "ao=alsa" 
[12:34] <pai> [Job 2]  Back-channel read error - Input/output error!
[12:34] <alandd> so if I install the Kubuntu CD and just apt-get the GNOME apps I want, I'll be set?
[12:34] <l3m> alandd: yes
[12:34] <Fillado> yup :)
[12:34] <l3m> alandd: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same except for some defaults .. ;)
[12:34] <alandd> Sweet!  No repository pointer changes required?
[12:34] <l3m> alandd: nope
[12:35] <alandd> l3m: most excellent!
[12:35] <l3m> indeed ;)
[12:35] <l3m> carsten: if it's still slow, try "ao=sdl"
[12:35] <pai> the error_log say [Job 2]  Back-channel read error - Input/output error!
[12:35] <pai> what's the problem?
[12:35] <l3m> pai: are you using cups to print? 
[12:36] <pai> yes
[12:36] <alandd> One final question: a computer I want to install on has a Soundblaster 16 compatible, on the motherboard sound system.  Fedora (since Core 2) will not see it.  Will Ubuntu?
[12:36] <l3m> and you did add your printer by using the system settings->print menu?
[12:37] <l3m> alandd: probably, you'll have to try out or find out the exact name of the sound chip.
[12:37] <pai> y
[12:37] <l3m> sb16 compatible could be anything
[12:37] <l3m> alandd: lspci should get you the proper name
[12:38] <l3m> pai: hmm dunno, i'm no cups expert ;/
[12:38] <pai> what can i use?
[12:38] <alandd> it could be anything, true.  Fedora dropped or broke support for ISA PnP at FC2 and no amount of tinkering will make it see the sound anymore.  As long as Ubuntu has the ISA support still, I have hope.  I'll try it this weekend.
[12:38] <l3m> pai: cups is the best, maybe try the kubuntu or cups mainlinglist ?
[12:38] <alandd> l3m: no it's ISA so lspci does not see it.
[12:39] <pai> it's everything ok for first time..
[12:39] <pai> and the printer bum!
[12:39] <pai> linux is a serious problem..
[12:39] <pai> linux HAS a serious problem..
[12:39] <l3m> alandd: ah. hmm. dunno ;) try it out
[12:40] <l3m> pai: did you try to google your printer name and "linux"?
[12:40] <pai> yes..
[12:40] <pai> i just downloaded driver in rpm, alienated and installed..
[12:40] <alandd> l3m: I'll try it and report back here.  Maybe tomorrow if the turkey doesn't knock me out.
[12:40] <Fillado> RPM...
[12:40] <l3m> alandd: good luck! 
[12:41] <l3m> pai: what's your printer's name again?
[12:41] <pai> epson stylus cx3650
[12:41] <pai> cx3600 serire..
[12:41] <pai> *series
[12:44] <l3m> pai: http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/epson-list/2004q4/004125.html
[12:45] <l3m> pai: i don't think you need an rpm to get it to run
[12:46] <carsten> i still have sluggish video playback. i think it has something to do with the sound. if i play the testsound in the soundsettings there happens nothing for a second, and then the sound starts to play
[12:46] <pai> what so?
[12:46] <l3m> carsten: go to system settings->sound system and deactivate the sound system there
[12:47] <l3m> carsten: then mplayer should play perfectly
[12:47] <carsten> you mean sound & multimedia?
[12:47] <l3m> yes
[12:48] <Fillado> carsten: in the settings of mplayer, under video, what driver are you using?
[12:48] <l3m> Fillado:  i think his problem is arts
[12:48] <Fillado> (try changing it to OpenGL - as that should bring your graphics card into play)
[12:49] <l3m> Fillado: i have hardly ever seen something worse than arts
[12:49] <carsten> Fillado: x11
[12:49] <Fillado> lol
[12:49] <l3m> Fillado: and in X11, xv is usually the best vo 
[12:49] <Fillado> well, he can try opengl just to see ;)
[12:49] <frank23> why did the kernel go from 2.6.12-9 to 2.6.12-10?
[12:49] <Fillado> yeah arts doesn't seem to do much on mine
[12:49] <Fillado> it was updated
[12:49] <crimsun> ABI change, frank23.
[12:49] <nalioth> frank23: security improvement
[12:50] <frank23> crimsun: nalioth : ok, and is there a fix for the kaffeine crash on exit?
[12:50] <crimsun> I'm not familiar with it.
[12:50] <l3m> i really wonder why kubuntu was made with kaffeine (xine) as default multimedia player instead of mplayer...
[12:51] <crimsun> we can't distribute mplayer in a useful fashion.
[12:51] <l3m> why not? 
[12:51] <crimsun> that's why it's in multiverse.
[12:51] <Fillado> not GNU?
[12:51] <frank23> l3m: and kaffeine is a front end to gstreamer by default on breezy, not xine
[12:51] <carsten> hmm. i changed the audio from alsa to NULL, now the video is smooth
[12:52] <l3m> ah .. didin't know, thanks
[12:52] <crimsun> mplayer has possible licensing ramifications. It cannot go into main.
[12:52] <l3m> carsten: but null = no sound
[12:52] <Fillado> lol
[12:52] <carsten> l3m: true
[12:52] <l3m> carsten: that's hardly what you want
[12:52] <Fillado> :D
[12:52] <l3m> carsten: is it still slow with arts disabled?
[12:52] <sampan> pffffffft, "talkies" ruined moving pictures anyway 
[12:52] <sampan> ;x
[12:52] <carsten> arts?
[12:53] <l3m> carsten: sound system in system settings
[12:53] <l3m> carsten: go to console, type "killall -9 artsd" and try mplayer again... 
[12:53] <carsten> ah i see
[12:53] <Fillado> ^is that meant to say Kubuntu Hug day?
[12:53] <carsten> arts runs fine, but no sound
[12:54] <crimsun> Fillado: it is
[12:54] <Fillado> ok :)
[12:54] <sampan> "fix a beastie" = spay or neuter an animal?
[12:54] <sampan> ;x
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering about the Kubuntu Hug Day myself...
[12:55] <l3m> crimsun: but mplayer is gpl?
[12:55] <l3m> crimsun: i just checked on the website
[12:55] <carsten> okay. sudo killall -9 artsd .. DONE
[12:55] <carsten> starting Mplayer -> craash
[12:55] <l3m> carsten: with vo=xv and ao=alsa? 
[12:56] <carsten> okay
[12:56] <carsten> 2 basics things
[12:56] <neoncode> Hey, my sound does not work when an applacation goes fullscreen...
[12:56] <crimsun> l3m: the decoders have possible license ramifications.
[12:57] <carsten> where should i change the settings of mplayer
[12:57] <crimsun> l3m: it is decidedly non-free until Debian decides otherwise.
[12:57] <carsten> in the "wrench" menu, or the config file?
[12:57] <l3m> crimsun: ah ok
[12:57] <Fillado> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-325737.html <---5th post down
[12:58] <l3m> carsten: whatever you prefer ;)
[12:58] <l3m> i still wonder how xine and vlc can play movies encoded in codecs found in w32codecs but not mplayer? 
[01:04] <carsten> okay vo=vx [newline]  ao=alsa [starting video = crash] 
[01:04] <carsten> and on the other hand, everytime i start mplayer i get "New_face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong."
[01:04] <l3m> i guess.. not, since the reason why i switched to mplayer was that most divx from ... err.. miscellanous sources don't play right in vlc or xine
[01:04] <neoncode> no wait nevermind, hey I have a dual-head layout, can I change witch monitor an applacation fullscreens to?
[01:04] <neoncode> anyone?
[01:04] <Fillado> will it not default to that once you've fullscreened it in there once?
[01:04] <juanjo> hi
[01:04] <neoncode> Fillado: no, wait. When an ap such as a game goes fullscreen it goes on one monitor, but I want it to goto the other.
[01:04] <juanjo> how install a slash, please?
[01:04] <Fillado> ah
[01:04] <Fillado> slash?
[01:04] <juanjo> si
[01:04] <juanjo> eres espaol?
[01:04] <Fillado> ?
[01:04] <juanjo> splash
[01:04] <juanjo> sorry
[01:04] <juanjo> xDDD
[01:04] <Fillado> hmm
[01:08] <juanjo> splash, sorry
[01:08] <Fillado> ah
[01:10] <Fillado> do you mean the KDE splash screen - or a theme for it
[01:15] <carsten> it seems that i lost my net connection :)
[01:15] <carsten> last line for me was [00:58]  <l3m> i still wonder how xine and vlc can play movies encoded in codecs found in w32codecs but not mplayer?
[01:18] <Fillado> think there be a netsplit
[01:18] <Fillado> [00:07]  <l3m> i guess.. not, since the reason why i switched to mplayer was that most divx from ... err.. miscellanous sources don't play right in vlc or xine
[01:18] <Fillado> :|
[01:18] <carsten> vlc works smooth but cant play some files :(
[01:18] <carsten> there is a "~" file on my desktop can i safly delete it ?
[01:18] <Fillado> backup file?
[01:18] <Fillado> erm...dunno really
[01:18] <Fillado> !backup file
[01:18] <ubotu> Fillado: Not a clue
[01:19] <carsten> its 0 bytes in size
[01:19] <carsten> i think its safe to delete
[01:21] <carsten> i installed bittorrent-gui via adept, but i cant find it now. where is it?
[01:22] <mornfall> huh?
[01:23] <mornfall> try dpkg -L bittorent-gui :)
[01:23] <l3m> just click on a .torrent
[01:23] <mornfall> hehe
[01:25] <l3m> carsten: if you want a bittorrent client with more gui functionality, see here: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/download.php
[01:29] <carsten> hmm strange dpkg tells me that bittorent-gui isnt insalled
[01:29] <carsten> adpet say it is installed. strange.
[01:30] <dv__> hey
[01:30] <dv__> I am using kubuntu breezy, and kaffeine-xine, and when I quit, a kaffeine process is still present, i have to call "killall kaffeine"
[01:30] <dv__> cant find a patch for this, any ideas?
[01:36] <carsten> wow this is an really old bittorren version.
[01:36] <carsten> i think i will sleep now
[01:43] <frank23> dv__: I found a kaffeine 0.7.1 compiled for breezy that seems to fix this
[01:44] <skypa> yeah, they really  improve stuff, I use 'em too :)
[01:44] <skypa> mine used to crash after opening a second file
[01:44] <skypa> pretty annoying
[01:44] <frank23> dv__: http://ubuntu.czessi.net/breezy.php?i18n=de
[01:45] <skypa> that's the one
[01:45] <frank23> skypa: the original kaffeine in hoary was even worse
[01:46] <skypa> conveniently czessi provides amarok 1.3.6 too
[01:46] <frank23> skypa: is it better?
[01:46] <skypa> depends.. better than? :p
[01:47] <skypa> there are some minor bugfixes 
[01:47] <frank23> ok
[01:47] <skypa> so if you already got 1.3.5, you're good to go
[01:48] <frank23> I have 1.3.5
[01:48] <skypa> :)
[01:49] <frank23> skypa: does czessi have a deb repository or do I have to install everything by hand?
[01:49] <frank23> skypa: I just found it... nm
[01:50] <dv__> thanks frank23 , this did it
[01:50] <frank23> dv__: good ;)
[01:50] <skypa> I use the rep too, so a dist-upgrade will take care of everything
[01:52] <frank23> skypa: is the czessi repo basically an unofficial backports?
[01:52] <skypa> bascially, yeah
[01:53] <skypa> let me know if you find a gpg public key for the rep btw.
[01:53] <ubuntu> hi to all
[01:53] <ubuntu> I have a question
[01:53] <skypa> apt-get ain't verifying the packages, and I don't like unverified packages ^^
[01:54] <frank23> skypa: I usually just ignore the warnings... 
[01:54] <ubuntu> I use Suse and Mandriva and thought well lets try Kubuntu
[01:54] <skypa> well, you better don't.. installing packages as root from a potentially insecure source
[01:54] <skypa> I don't know.. :/
[01:55] <ubuntu> my shock is and I tend to get reaaly pissed about it: that after 5 times downloading 2.... gigs I still haven't a working dvd
[01:55] <ubuntu> the md5 checksum ios everytime false
[01:55] <ubuntu> what to do 
[01:55] <ubuntu> help before I never try Kubuntu again
[01:55] <skypa> how about getting the cd? :p
[01:56] <ubuntu> Well did that was the live cd and that is what I use now fro help on this channel
[01:56] <skypa> there is a install cd out there
[01:56] <ubuntu> but you know installing from a dvd is so much more fun and a lot easier
[01:56] <ubuntu> could do that and just upgrade the packages from the net
[01:57] <frank23> skypa: why should czessi be secure in the first place?
[01:57] <ubuntu> still it is better seen the fact that I like to try things out to have a install mediam like a dvd I guess
[01:57] <ubuntu> but what could be wrong
[01:57] <ubuntu> did you all get it right the first time and which site you used
[01:58] <ubuntu> to download the dvd from?
[01:58] <skypa> well, mine worked first try.. but as I said.. cd :)
[01:58] <ubuntu> ok I see
[01:58] <l3m> same here. my dvd worked just fine
[01:58] <skypa> and frank23, I don't need "secure" packages, but I really need to know, that the packages weren't compromised by a possible hack etc.
[01:58] <ubuntu> did you only downed the instaal cd and the rest from the net
[01:59] <skypa> yeah
[01:59] <ubuntu> l3m which site did you get the dvd from
[01:59] <ubuntu> main or another in the world
[02:01] <ubuntu> l3m still there?
[02:01] <skypa> a friend of mine used http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/breezy-dvd-i386.iso
[02:03] <ubuntu> thanks I try the site in the morning
[02:03] <ubuntu> hopefully it works cause it is no fun burning corrupt dvd's
[02:03] <ubuntu> who had the same prob as me with the dvd md5 checksum false everytime and ended up with not working distrop's?
[02:04] <frank23> skypa: thank god for xine! amarok-gstreamer still doesn't work for me
[02:05] <skypa> join the club
[02:05] <skypa> although I'm using the arts plugin right now
[02:05] <ubuntu> well I guess missing codecs
[02:05] <skypa> cpu friendliest plugin for me right now
[02:05] <ubuntu> Suse 10 has that problem fear of lawsuits
[02:06] <skypa> ubuntu doesn't include the commercial codecs by default either
[02:06] <skypa> but it's pretty easy to get them installed, just needs one line in a configuration file :)
[02:06] <ubuntu> yep!
[02:07] <ubuntu> found that out too ;-)
[02:07] <ubuntu> well not so hard it is all over the internet when you look for it
[02:07] <`Nomad> Hi all, What is the app to graphically manage services?
[02:08] <ubuntu> still no wizard in Linux land
[02:08] <ubuntu> that is me
[02:08] <ubuntu> lol
[02:09] <ubuntu> well gues system settings - system services
[02:10] <`Nomad> nope
[02:10] <ubuntu> ohh?
[02:10] <ubuntu> sorry
[02:10] <Hobbsee> anyone tried suspend2 here?
[02:10] <`Nomad> ahhh.. maybe under the Debian menu.. :)
[02:11] <`Nomad> Off to browse, thanks for the nudge
[02:12] <ubuntu> well I am of of to bed, thanks Skypa I'll try the site first thing in the morning I hope the bandwidth is ok!
[02:12] <skypa> nl -> uk.. should be ok
[02:12] <skypa> night :>
[02:12] <ubuntu> if all works you might see me bak with kubuntu running
[02:12] <ubuntu> Suse 10 is a bit slow on my machine
[02:12] <ubuntu> hopefully kubuntu will work nicely
[02:13] <ubuntu> same too skypa, see ya anotherie
[02:13] <ubuntu> see you all, succes! ;)
[02:15] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[02:16] <chaoticgeek> ubotu: hi
[02:16] <ubotu> salut, chaoticgeek
[02:16] <chaoticgeek> ok, well atleas someone responded to me
[02:16] <chaoticgeek> atleast*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:18] <chaoticgeek> how are you today Hobbsee?
[02:18] <chaoticgeek> brb 
[02:19] <Hobbsee> chaoticgeek: good, trying to kill off my computer as usual
[02:20] <skypa> don't we all? :p
[02:22] <Hobbsee> true
[02:22] <Hobbsee> well...
[02:27] <chaoticgeek> back
[02:27] <chaoticgeek> thats nice to hear Hobbsee 
[02:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:27] <chaoticgeek> I do that all the time
[02:27] <chaoticgeek> I miss my dorm room...
[02:28] <Hobbsee> darn
[02:29] <Hobbsee> toshiba laptops are known to have trouble with suspend2, which was what i was looking at trying out
[02:30] <chaoticgeek> hummm
[02:30] <chaoticgeek> my pc is fine. I just want to convert my fat32 partition to ntfs, and not screw up kubuntu
[02:31] <chaoticgeek> so I've been kinda cautious about doing that...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> why woul dthat screw up kubuntu?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> just make sure you get the right partition :P
[02:32] <chaoticgeek> well with fstab having it mounted on start up as fat32
[02:32] <Hobbsee> change the fstab file then
[03:00] <yikes> has anyone successfully used alsa in xmame or kxmame?
[03:02] <os2mac> can some throw me a bone about how to connect to a windows xp shared printer from Kubuntu?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> os2mac: it's pretty simple
[03:03] <Hobbsee> system settings, peripherals
[03:03] <Hobbsee> printers
[03:04] <Hobbsee> add, printer class, SMB shared printer class (windows)
[03:04] <os2mac> tried that it didn't work....
[03:04] <Hobbsee> anonymous, scan
[03:04] <Hobbsee> which bit didnt work?  what was the error?
[03:04] <os2mac> I couldn't find the printer on the scan
[03:05] <Hobbsee> can you find the computer it's connected to, via samba?
[03:05] <os2mac> haven't tried and don't know much about samba...
[03:05] <os2mac> but I believe it's enabled.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> go into konqueror, network folders
[03:06] <Hobbsee> are the network and windows compuers there?
[03:09] <os2mac> unable to find any networks.
[03:11] <os2mac> sorry about that
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hmm...then you definetly have a problem with samba
[03:11] <os2mac> ok so this is a samba problem...
[03:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:11] <Hobbsee> tried pinging the XP machine?
[03:13] <os2mac> no workie.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:15] <Hobbsee> try apt-get install samba for a start...
[03:15] <os2mac> I just checked adept and its installed
[03:15] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:15] <Hobbsee> oy!  who ate my breezy cd?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:16] <Hobbsee> i could find the 3 hoary ones, and the dapper flight cd, but nothing else
[03:16] <os2mac> hehe.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> os2mac: yes, i'm here
[03:16] <os2mac> just wondering why I had a pm from you.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> IIRC that was from a few day sago
[03:17] <Hobbsee> os2mac: are you using a firewall, btw?
[03:17] <os2mac> not between these two...
[03:17] <os2mac> ahh but I am using a software firewall on the pc.
[03:18] <os2mac> fscking norton.....
[03:18] <os2mac> hang on
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hehe...that'd be it, i'm sure
[03:20] <Red-Sox> all the sudden, i cant log on to my gaim AIM account
[03:21] <os2mac> and you would never know I am an admin... fsck.
[03:24] <os2mac> of course I do have an excuse.... I am a trusted solaris admin and have never had to get a windows box to talk to Unix
[03:27] <Vivaldi> hello
[03:27] <Vivaldi> where are the kernel source headers?
[03:27] <Vivaldi> i need them to build an external module
[03:28] <Vivaldi> what's the name to be used by apt-get install?
[03:28] <crimsun> you mean kernel headers?
[03:28] <Vivaldi> yes
[03:28] <crimsun> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> os2mac: lol - windows boxes are nasty talking to each other too
[03:29] <os2mac> so I am back into the add printer dialog and did anon and scan and can see the network (subnet) and the computer but its the wrong hostname...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> the wrong hostname...will it connect anywya?
[03:30] <os2mac> and I am getting nt_status_access_denied.
[03:30] <Vivaldi> arrgh
[03:30] <Vivaldi> now gcc
[03:30] <os2mac> could that be as  setting problem in samba?
[03:30] <Vivaldi> what the package containing gcc?
[03:30] <crimsun> install build-essential and gcc-3.4
[03:31] <Vivaldi> why doesnt kubuntu install a compiler by default??
[03:31] <crimsun> because it's a DESKTOP distro
[03:32] <Hobbsee> os2mac: then hit back once, hit the second option below anonymous, next, then try
[03:32] <Hobbsee> i think it's called guest
[03:32] <os2mac> that is the guest option.. I know that won't work.
[03:32] <martin> okay, i removed sr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror by mistake. (well, by blindly following the FAQ about something i did not read enough about) ... how do i re-install the package owning it? (kubuntu-default-settings?)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> martin: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settigns
[03:33] <Hobbsee> martin: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[03:33] <Hobbsee> helps if it's spelt correctly...
[03:34] <martin> well, it's already the newest version.
[03:35] <Vivaldi> it installed gcc-4.0
[03:35] <Hobbsee> if you removed it, you should be able to reinstall it
[03:35] <martin> well, that would cause a whole lot of havoc. 
[03:35] <Vivaldi> when making the module it gives error , since its  expecting gcc-3.4
[03:35] <Vivaldi> any idea?
[03:36] <Vivaldi> now there's gcc-4.0 and make expects gcc-3.4 
[03:36] <martin> Hobbsee, i kinda remember apt having an option to re-install, but i'm not really sure.
[03:36] <martin> perhaps if i downloaded the package and dpkg'd it in.. hmm.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> martin: if you try putting that command in earlier, what does it do?
[03:37] <Vivaldi> any idea on what and how to upgrade the part of these development tools?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[03:37] <martin> Hobbsee: it tells me i have that package installed and it is the newest version.
[03:37] <nalioth> Vivaldi: in your terminal, type "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 <COMMAND that expects 3.4>
[03:37] <Hobbsee> martin: right
[03:38] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[03:38] <Vivaldi> nalioth, you meant.. CC = .../gcc-4.0, since i have gcc-4.0
[03:38] <Vivaldi> right?
[03:38] <martin> Hobbsee: same result.
[03:38] <martin> i just installed kubuntu half an hour ago.
[03:38] <nalioth> Vivaldi: if your program expects 3.4, then i meant what i wrote
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmm ok - do you have a list of what it removed?
[03:39] <martin> Hobbsee, ah, I actually removed one single file.
[03:39] <martin> not the apt.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> which file did you remove?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> *is slightly confused here*
[03:39] <martin>  usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror-something.
[03:39] <martin> :)
[03:39] <martin> sorry.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ah...i see...
[03:40] <Vivaldi> nalioth, does not work
[03:40] <martin> so now my konqueror looks like shit.
[03:40] <Vivaldi> nalioth, same error: "gcc-3.4: command not found"
[03:40] <martin> tried to use the original-rc file from kde.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> martin: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc?
[03:40] <nalioth> Vivaldi: i thought you installed it
[03:40] <martin> yeah, that's the one.
[03:40] <nalioth> Vivaldi: apt-get install gcc-3.4
[03:41] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i installed gcc-4.0
[03:41] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[03:41] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:41] <crimsun> Vivaldi: I told you to install 'build-essential' and 'gcc-3.4'
[03:41] <Vivaldi> crimsun, i read, and i did it
[03:41] <crimsun> then how are you getting that error?
[03:41] <nalioth> Vivaldi: if you did, your command would work
[03:42] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ gcc-3.4
[03:42] <crimsun> gcc-3.4: no input files
[03:42] <Vivaldi> crimsun, only the first part  successed, the second part couldnt find gcc-3.4
[03:42] <crimsun> Vivaldi: you don't have the main repo enabled.
[03:42] <Vivaldi> oh my god
[03:42] <Vivaldi> how do i enable it?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> martin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4963 is the contents of my /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc file
[03:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Vivaldi about repos
[03:43] <crimsun> use Adept, Synaptic, an editor, whatever.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> you'll need to use "kdesu kwrite /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc" and paste the stuff in there, then save it
[03:43] <Hobbsee> martin: you'll need to use "kdesu kwrite /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc" and paste the stuff in there, then save it
[03:44] <os2mac> hmmm.so I set the printer to the correct name and network and correct printer driver. when I test it seems to go ok,, and there are no jobs in the queue but it still doesn't print
[03:45] <martin> Hobbsee, you're a lifesafer. =)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> martin: glad to help :)
[03:45] <Hobbsee> os2mac: hmmm...
[03:45] <Hobbsee> did it detect the printer in the scan at all, or did you put it in manually?
[03:46] <os2mac> my thoughts exactly... and I am a little puzzled by the fact that detects the wrong computer name...
[03:46] <os2mac> no I inputted manuall.y
[03:46] <martin> Hobbsee, then ofcourse, that did not help. konqueror is still pretty .. weird-looking. any clues? perhaps i should look for alternative locations for the settings?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> martin: assuming you got that file in correctly, and made it save, it should be working
[03:47] <Hobbsee> have you tried refreshing kde?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ctrl alt backspace
[03:47] <martin> let's.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> os2mac: did konq ever find the network?
[03:48] <Vivaldi> i am on the wiki. ok. i need synaptic **OKAY**. why doesn't "apt-get install synaptic*" install it, since it's not installed by default?
[03:48] <crimsun> because synaptic is in main.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Vivaldi: if you've got the correct repositories, that will install it...
[03:48] <crimsun> here: Open a Konsole. kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:49] <martin> Hobbsee, a bit brutal, but yes. thanks =}
[03:49] <crimsun> uncomment the breezy lines containing main
[03:49] <Hobbsee> martin: :D it worked?
[03:49] <Vivaldi> Hobbsee, i do not see what you are talking about..... i only did a default installation and i only wanted to install a compiler . that's all. 
[03:49] <martin> Hobbsee, yeah. ;D
[03:49] <crimsun> Comment out the cdrom line. Save, exit Kate. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[03:50] <Vivaldi> i do not know what i did wrong, since i did nothing
[03:50] <Hobbsee> martin: excellent!  Sometimes those changes for kde need to have kde refreshed - at least it doesnt require a full reboot!
[03:50] <crimsun> Vivaldi: I just gave you instructions.
[03:50] <Vivaldi> ok. let me see
[03:50] <os2mac> yes found the network... didn't find and I can see a share on the that computer.... but when I try to access it through the add printer dialog it says nt_session_access_denied
[03:51] <Hobbsee> os2mac: then hit ok on that error message, the back button once, click "guest" instead of anonymous, then next
[03:51] <martin> Hobbsee, awesome. :)
[03:52] <Hobbsee> then click where you just did, to get the NT_session_access_denied error
[03:52] <os2mac> I knew that wouldn't work I have the guest acct disabled.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> just try it
[03:52] <os2mac> I couldn't even get the network to expand that time.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ah, bummer
[03:53] <Hobbsee> try with a specific login, mabye?
[03:53] <os2mac> lemme try
[03:53] <Hobbsee_away> lunch
[03:58] <SbCl3> i just tried to remove gcc4 and forgot that there were dependencies and now many programs have been removed...is there any way to get everything back stort of a reformat?
[04:00] <nalioth> SbCl3: install build-essential
[04:00] <SbCl3> what's that, and how do i install it?
[04:00] <SbCl3> apt-get seems to have removed itself :/
[04:02] <os2mac> Hobbsee got it... I used the users account that was actually logged into the computer and manually entered the server and printer name and it worked.
[04:08] <os2mac> Hobbsee did you see my earlier message?
[04:09] <SbCl3> anyone?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> os2mac: sorry, just got back
[04:21] <Hobbsee> os2mac: yay!
[04:39] <troth> i have just downloaded a movie (torrent) that is 2 cd's big, each folder (cd 1 and 2) contains about 40 rar'd files. i have already installed unrar but i need to know how to unrar them all to make one big video file
[04:39] <nalioth> troth: open a console in those dirs
[04:39] <troth> k
[04:40] <Burgundavia> is there a graphical way to enable root login
[04:40] <nalioth> troth: then find what files are there, and "unrar x file.001.rar" 
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: i've found that the easiest way is to tell kdm to do a console login, and then login via console, and go sudo startx
[04:42] <Hobbsee> or log in as root in a virtual terminal, then go start x
[04:42] <Hobbsee> *startx
[04:42] <Hobbsee> but you need to kill the current x first, by telling it to use a console login
[04:43] <Riddell> Burgundavia: system settings-> users & groups -> set password
[04:43] <Riddell> I guess
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i dont remember if i ever got that to work
[04:44] <Hobbsee> it's been a while since i had to try
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Riddell, think you could fill in the "In Kubuntu" section under "Enabling graphical root login"?
[04:45] <Tm_T> I hope that will ever be enabled too easily
[04:45] <Hobbsee> you definetly dont want the root account enabled in the GUI - the only reason you need it at all is because all hell has broken loose
[04:46] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee, I completely agree, but we need to document a sane way for them to do it if they wish
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hehe that is true
[04:47] <Tm_T> noooo
[04:47] <Tm_T> soon we have 30% of users doing all things as root
[04:47] <Hobbsee> in my case, cos i'd screwed up my own sudo permissions, so couldnt really do anything except login as root
[04:47] <Burgundavia> Tm_T, we have covered the page with warnings
[04:47] <Hobbsee> but i'd not document it at all, and point them straight to !root
[04:48] <Riddell> Burgundavia: not tonight
[04:48] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee, !root points to RootSudo, the page I am editing
[04:48] <Burgundavia> Riddell, np
[04:48] <yannz> does (k)ubuntu have quake repositories? :D quake, as in quakeforge?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ah, i see...
[04:51] <anyweb_one> hi
[04:52] <ClayG> are there any decent apt-get'able games to paly?
[04:52] <ClayG> play
[04:52] <anyweb_one> one question. how i can configure the internet in kubuntu?
[04:54] <anyweb_one> anyone
[04:54] <nalioth> anyweb_one: do you have broadband?
[04:55] <anyweb_one> yes
[04:55] <nalioth> anyweb_one: then it should "just work"
[04:57] <anyweb_one> when i was installing it, some stupid friend put an IP and I need to clear it
[04:58] <Riddell> anyweb_one: kmenu->system settings->network
[04:58] <anyweb_one> ok
[04:59] <anyweb_one> and now....?
[05:02] <Riddell> it depends on what you're wanting to set up
[05:03] <anyweb_one> automatic ip
[05:04] <Riddell> anyweb_one: tell it to use DHCP then
[05:07] <anyweb_one> man, how you can see, i`m a newwwwwwwwwwwwwwbiiiiieeeeeee   , What the hell is DHCP
[05:08] <Riddell> it's the protocol where your computer goes "what IP am I?" and the router goes "here's your IP"
[05:09] <anyweb_one> oh... thanks
[05:09] <anyweb_one> I'm going to re-install it
[05:10] <thompa> hi
[05:10] <thompa> if i create a shortcut in kde desktop is there a way to prevent a conflict on gnome desktop?
[05:11] <thompa> or maybe i should just add things to panel
[05:12] <Riddell> what sort of conflict?
[05:12] <thompa> pictureless icons
[05:13] <thompa> like as soon as i installed kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu the trash icon was pictureless
[05:13] <Riddell> spooky
[05:14] <thompa> how so?
[05:14] <thompa> its because they use the same initiate file or something
[05:15] <nalioth> thompa: gnome doesn'nt load the kde icons for the kde trashbin
[05:15] <thompa> so some icons will work then
[05:18] <thompa> if i create a desktop shortcut in kde what should happen in gnome desktop?
[05:18] <nalioth> it will probably be in both desktops, since your Desktop folder is the same
[05:19] <thompa> let me see
[05:26] <thompa> i created a desktop shortcut in kde and its pictureless in gnome
[05:27] <thompa> in gnome its usr/share pixmaps or something
[05:27] <thompa> so it seems gnome overwrites kde
[05:28] <thompa> is there some way to have the same desktop icon in both gnome and kde ?
[05:29] <thompa> no big deal really
[05:29] <nalioth> nothing is overwriting anything
[05:29] <nalioth> the icon is available to kde but not gnome
[05:30] <Riddell> thompa: what icon is being used?
[05:30] <thompa> so if i create a launcher in gnome its in kde
[05:30] <thompa> but not the other way around
[05:31] <thompa> i created a shortcut for bzflag in kde with the bomb icon
[05:31] <thompa> then if i switch to gnome its missing
[05:32] <thompa> so in gnome i put there the green apple, so now i got the green apple in kde
[05:33] <thompa> the icon may not be available in gnome but it puts the shortcut there, gnome will make it available for kde also
[05:35] <thompa> i know i should only use one desktop probably
[05:36] <thompa> still it might mean i have to use gnome to configure the kde desktop
[05:37] <kkathman> thompa: that would be an interesting feat
[05:38] <thompa> well just for icons
[05:39] <thompa> brb
[05:47] <Vivaldi> Vivaldi i see
[05:47] <Vivaldi> ubotu Are you smoking crack?
[05:47] <Vivaldi> Vivaldi no
[05:47] <Vivaldi> ubotu Are you on ritalin?
[05:47] <ubotu> Vivaldi: What?
[05:47] <ubotu> Vivaldi: Syntax error in line 1
[05:47] <Vivaldi> :)
[05:47] <Vivaldi> funny
[05:51] <kkathman> Vivaldi: can we help you with something?
[05:53] <thompa> well it seems so
[05:53] <thompa> if im using both kde and gnome and create a link to application i need to do it in gnome or no icon
[05:54] <thompa> that is, create a launcher in gnome
[05:55] <kkathman> thompa: which GDM are you booting to?  You can boot to either one
[05:55] <kkathman> but not both 
[05:55] <thompa> ia it because im not using kdm?
[05:55] <kkathman> did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:55] <thompa> yes
[05:56] <kkathman> ok, so when you reboot, on the splash/login screen you have the option of which session GUI you can use
[05:56] <thompa> yes
[05:56] <thompa> or log out
[05:57] <kkathman> if you choose gnome, you dont access KDE/Kubuntu
[05:57] <kkathman> and vice versa
[05:57] <thompa> that makes sense
[05:57] <kkathman> if you choose KDE, then it uses that GDM
[05:57] <ClayG> kkathman, if you want to try other window managers check synaptic, I grabbed a few, blackbox ,fvwm2 and like 3 or 4 others
[05:57] <ClayG> to mess with
[05:57] <thompa> so if i switch to kdm it should work here
[05:58] <kkathman> ClayG: absolutely... you can install as many as you wish
[05:58] <kkathman> and try them all
[05:58] <nalioth> kkathman: it's a "kde icons aren't found by gnome issue"
[05:58] <kkathman> but you'll eventually choose one or the other
[05:58] <thompa> is kde 3.5 safe to play with?
[05:58] <nalioth> it is a "release Candidate"
[05:58] <kkathman> nalioth: well I can access the gnome icons from kde...I dont know about the other way around
[05:58] <kkathman> the gnome icons have to be somewhere :)
[05:59] <ClayG> You know what, that's funny you say that
[05:59] <ClayG> because it's the same way here
[05:59] <nalioth> kkathman: that is what thompa said, he makes his launchers in gnome and has icons in both
[05:59] <thompa> i created 3 links to apps in kde and they are missing in gnome
[05:59] <ClayG> I think it's because mine is based on gdm and I installed kde on ubuntu
[05:59] <ClayG> so it's like native or something, lol
[05:59] <kkathman> yah I got no idea about gnome..havent used it in so long
[05:59] <thompa> if a make a kde wi fi launcher in gnome it shows in kde
[06:00] <thompa> but not the other way
[06:00] <kkathman> thompa: I dont know why...the icon is put in a certain location
[06:00] <ClayG> ok , do you both run ubuntu /w kde or kubuntu?
[06:00] <kkathman> and you should be able to access it
[06:00] <kkathman> ClayG: I run KDE, but have Gnome as a backup if I need it
[06:00] <kkathman> but I boot to KDE
[06:01] <kkathman> and stay there
[06:01] <thompa> ClayG: im using gdm not kdm
[06:01] <kkathman> GDM = graphical display manager
[06:01] <nalioth> thompa: it's not a GDM or KDM issue
[06:01] <thompa> ok
[06:01] <kkathman> and nalioth is reight
[06:01] <kkathman> right
[06:01] <thompa> right
[06:02] <thunderbolt> Does anyone know how to get the kicker to maximize and activate menus if they aren't currently active, and minimize them if they are?
[06:03] <Vivaldi> i do  not understand
[06:03] <kkathman> Vivaldi: what dont you understand?
[06:04] <thunderbolt> I want it to select and activate the application if I click on the button on the taskbar, but if I click on the button of the currently active application, it should minimize the currently active application.
[06:04] <kkathman> thunderbolt: all the kicker options are accessible under "panels" in the system settings
[06:04] <kkathman> thunderbolt: typically that works if you enable the system TRAY option
[06:05] <thunderbolt> Where is that under, the panel configure options?
[06:05] <kkathman> thunderbolt: the reason it wont work exactly the way you say, is because of the concept of multiple desktops
[06:05] <thunderbolt> Ah, they don't mix?
[06:06] <kkathman> thunderbolt: yes. .. right click on the kicker and choose ADD TO PANEL...then Applet..then System Tray
[06:07] <thunderbolt> kkathman: thank you.
[06:07] <kkathman> thunderbolt: not really, they MIGHT work if you had the application open in the same desktop, but it also might open a second instance ..like a browser.  However if you use the system tray, then the minimize/maximize works with the mouse clicking on the icon
[06:07] <kkathman> sure no problem
[06:08] <thompa> my themes and stles are looking kind of weird
[06:08] <thompa> i thought it should be plastic by default
[06:08] <thompa> where are the borders?
[06:08] <kkathman> thompa: you can change that in the system settings if you are in KDE
[06:08] <kkathman> if you have gnome questions you'll have to ask nalioth :)
[06:08] <thompa> i know, its just does not seem consistant.
[06:09] <thompa> on the notebook install it was different
[06:09] <kkathman> thompa: its pretty consistent for me at least
[06:09] <thompa> it might be my nvidia card
[06:09] <kkathman> well I have an nVidia also
[06:09] <kkathman> but its a desktop too
[06:10] <thompa> the plastic theme is supposed to give you borders
[06:11] <ClayG> anyone know a good uptime monitor, but an app
[06:11] <ClayG> ?
[06:13] <thompa> when i choose a list from the menu is all white border
[06:14] <thunderbolt> ClayG: could you rephrase the question?
[06:15] <ClayG> for a website
[06:15] <thunderbolt> like a uptime monitor that outputs html or some such?
[06:16] <ClayG> something to check the uptime, lets say your hosting company tells you that they are up 99.9 percent of the time
[06:16] <ClayG> and you want to really see how often the server/site is unreachable
[06:16] <thunderbolt> uhh, you could have a script randomly ping it, to see how often its unreachable
[06:16] <ClayG> I am sure there are cli ones, as it's just pinging it over and over for how ever long
[06:16] <thunderbolt> or do like a links dump..
[06:16] <thunderbolt> right.
[06:16] <ClayG> but i rather have a gui
[06:17] <thunderbolt> Come on, use the cli, it'll make you stronger ;-)
[06:17] <ClayG> lol yeah but I want it pinged every 10-30 seconds
[06:17] <ClayG> can you imagine sifting through 1 weeks worth of ping results?
[06:18] <thunderbolt> that's what awk, sed, and perl are for :)
[06:18] <thunderbolt> and GNUPLOT
[06:19] <ClayG> sorry, dont want to use the newbie shield  but I dont know that stuff
[06:19] <ClayG> but not knowing is no exscuse I suppose, heck there was a time I didn't know how to walk
[06:19] <thunderbolt> I have to do a lot of data graphing for school and such, so gnuplot is second nature to me.
[06:20] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ClayG about cli
[06:20] <ClayG> Heh I should have bookmarked this page a long time ago
[07:32] <_isaac> Hi, i have a problem... can you helpme????
[07:34] <_isaac> I have a ibook, whit an ati radeon mobility, how can i install it???
[07:35] <thunderbolt> I'm pretty sure you can just install it using the PowerPC (PPC) install CD
[07:35] <_isaac> yes
[07:36] <_isaac> and i have a resolution 640 x 480
[07:37] <_isaac> what can i do???
[07:37] <thunderbolt> right click on the desktop, click on configure desktop, can you change the resolution under 'display'?
[07:38] <nalioth> _isaac: the install works well with no problems on ibooks
[07:42] <_isaac> well... in this ibook, my max resolution is 640x480 but in osx i had a 1280x720 
[07:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _isaac about fixres
[07:43] <_isaac> This is my first time...
[07:43] <_isaac> in linux
[07:44] <nalioth> _isaac: ubotu sent you a private message
[08:05] <_isaac> hi again, i'm =
[08:05] <nalioth> _isaac: howdy
[08:06] <_isaac> if i install  kubuntu from dvd image, the resolution fixes???
[08:10] <_isaac> nalioth: what can i do???
[08:12] <nalioth> no. did you follow the instructions ubotu sent you?
[08:13] <nalioth> _isaac: did you follow the instructions in ubotus private message?
[08:14] <fatejudger> Ok, I really don't understand this. Safari is supposed to be based on KHTML, so theoretically, when I spoof the browser identification on Konq as a Safari browser, it should work. The problem is mail.google.com and google.com/ig don't work. You can't click on any of the links!
[08:15] <fatejudger> Is there some way to get around this?
[08:15] <nalioth> fatejudger: you can spoof the user-agent-string, but not the underlying software
[08:16] <fatejudger> nalioth: obviously, but Safari is KHTML based
[08:16] <fatejudger> nalioth: I don't understand why something so big as links don't work when spoofed
[08:16] <nalioth> fatejudger: you say gmail?
[08:16] <fatejudger> nalioth: I can't imagine Apple would change the way Safari handles links
[08:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: yes, gmail
[08:17] <fatejudger> nalioth: spoof Konq as Safari, you'll see
[08:18] <_isaac> Yes, i read, but can't fix it...
[08:18] <nalioth> fatejudger: it's not konqueror, i just went to gmail and signed in and deleted some spam
[08:18] <fatejudger> WHAT?
[08:18] <fatejudger> nalioth: what version are you using?
[08:19] <nalioth> kkathman: can you help _isaac ?
[08:19] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm in the KDE 3.5 RC1
[08:19] <nalioth> fatejudger: then you need to report a bug, i'm using konq 3.4.2 under kde 3.4.3
[08:21] <kkathman> _isaac: is there something I can help with?
[08:22] <_isaac> I install kubuntu from cd install this afternon
[08:22] <kkathman> _isaac: ok
[08:24] <_isaac> in a ibook, i see a resolution of 680x480, but when i try to change the resolution, i can't... 
[08:24] <aftertaf> any adept heads about?
[08:24] <nalioth> adept at what?
[08:24] <aftertaf> dapper update is borked on debtags, the command debtags update and the end of the postinstall script returns a seg fault.
[08:24] <kkathman> _isaac: during the install, do you remember getting a screen that asks you about the various resolutions?
[08:25] <aftertaf> lol bnal :) ever the one to have a good reply ;)
[08:25] <aftertaf>  s/bnal/nalioth 
[08:25] <_isaac> no, never see about it...
[08:25] <nalioth> aftertaf: welcome to developement hell
[08:25] <nalioth> !xcfg
[08:25] <ubotu> xcfg is, like, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:26] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[08:26] <aftertaf> just wanted to let the devs know...; are they in ubuntu-dev?   by ANY chance ? ;)
[08:27] <nalioth> aftertaf: that bug is old, at least more than 24 hours
[08:27] <nalioth> aftertaf: you should search and report bugs at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <nalioth> aftertaf: bugzilla is the best place to report it, if it's not been reported already
[08:28] <kkathman> _isaac: then you might wish to reconfigure your xorg.conf file for those supported resolutions
[08:28] <_isaac> wow???
[08:29] <fatejudger> nalioth: should I report it under kdelibs or konq?
[08:29] <kkathman> ubotu tell _isaac about xorg
[08:29] <nalioth> fatejudger: konq, i would presume, since it's a konq error
[08:29] <kkathman> _isaac: please check your pm from ubotu.. and follow those instructions :)
[08:29] <nalioth> !xcfg
[08:29] <ubotu> well, xcfg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[08:29] <fatejudger> nalioth: but Konq is just a shell
[08:29] <aftertaf> oki.
[08:29] <fatejudger> nalioth: kdelibs is the actual KHTML part
[08:29] <nalioth> fatejudger: then use your best judgement
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[08:32] <kkathman> hi there chaoticgeek :)
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> man I wish I had a real cd key for halo
[08:32] <chaoticgeek> then I could play online
[08:33] <chaoticgeek> but I'm cheap and got a cd key online so I could play through the story line
[08:33] <nalioth> chaoticgeek: you can't wait for the movie?
[08:34] <chaoticgeek> I already beat the game
[08:35] <chaoticgeek> ... I like to play online games...
[08:35] <chaoticgeek> stupid microsoft and bungie
[08:41] <kkathman> hi there raingrove :)
[08:41] <raingrove> hi kkathman
[08:41] <raingrove> i love kde 3.5
[08:41] <raingrove> ;)
[08:44] <insanekane> oh damn ... i missed the ubuntu bug squashing day :/
[08:45] <crimsun> no you didn't
[08:45] <crimsun> it's today
[08:45] <insanekane> oh ?! are you sure ?
[08:45] <insanekane> i thought it was on the 23rd
[08:45] <crimsun> yes, I'm sure.
[08:48] <kkathman> raingrove:  hows the 3.5 working for you?
[08:49] <raingrove> well it's running fine. i am running it on suse though
[08:49] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:50] <kkathman> raingrove: could you tell me a little about SuSE..how much box I would need to run it for instance?
[08:51] <raingrove> how much box? u mean the system requirements?
[08:51] <kkathman> raingrove: is it true that you have to install 5 CDs??
[08:51] <_isaac> i did that you say, and now???
[08:51] <raingrove> kkathman : there is a one CD install version
[08:51] <kkathman> raingrove: but there's also that 5 CD thing
[08:51] <raingrove> yeah..
[08:52] <raingrove> one cd version is a community produced thing. unfortunately the server hosting that file seems to be down
[08:52] <raingrove> btw if u are comfortable with kubuntu, just stay with it
[08:52] <raingrove> things are quite different in suse
[08:52] <kkathman> I have an old Dell p2 450 with 128mb mem...is that too deficient?
[08:52] <kkathman> yah I know they are...just have always been curious
[08:52] <kkathman> I tried Fedora and its major bloat
[08:52] <raingrove> kkathman, hmm. i think suse is abit too heavy for that. 
[08:53] <kkathman> rain ok
[08:53] <kkathman> I'll stick with ubuntu
[08:53] <raingrove> maybe u can use light linux like damn small linux - never tried it though
[08:53] <raingrove> oh.. GNOME and KDE eats up alot of memory 
[08:53] <raingrove> try xfce4
[08:53] <kkathman> I have gnome + Ubuntu on it now
[08:53] <raingrove> gnome eats more memory than kde, i was surprised.
[08:53] <kkathman> I am upgrading to breezy from hoary on it
[08:53] <raingrove> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop :P
[08:54] <raingrove> xfce4 is really fast
[08:54] <kkathman> I might do a xubuntu-desktop install
[08:54] <kkathman> ah
[08:54] <kkathman> yep
[08:54] <kkathman> exactly
[08:55] <raingrove> damn small linux looks interesting
[08:55] <raingrove> i might try it on a p2-266mhz junk i have
[08:55] <kkathman> yah Ive done that
[08:55] <kkathman> its ok
[08:56] <raingrove> haha i call it a junk now.. it was pretty decent...erm.. back in 1997 or 1996
[08:57] <kkathman> yah I got my p2450 from Dell in like 1998
[08:57] <kkathman> that was the cat's meow then :)
[09:08] <_isaac> i did reconfigure de xorg and backup it, and what have to do now??? 
[09:15] <_isaac> kkathman: what can i do now??/
[09:22] <lzhz789> Hi,How can i get "sharutils" package installed?when i type "sudo apt-get install sharutils",it says can't find package sharutils.Thanks!!!
[09:23] <fatejudger> lzhz789: then it isn't there
[09:23] <fatejudger> lzhz789: what's the problem?
[09:25] <lzhz789> fatejudger: i have found sharutils in "packages.ubuntu.com",but i want to get it installed.
[09:25] <fatejudger> lzhz789: then download it
[09:25] <supo> i'm having a problem i cannot seem to fix without help :/ i'm using kubuntu and i have installed nvidia drivers and done everything, set xorg.conf for composite and such, but still (for example a window decoration named crystal from kde-look) doesn't work :/ i've enabled the effects and such for themes but it just doesn't seem to work and i'm out of ideas.. i hope someone can help
[09:25] <fatejudger> lzhz789: you probably don't have all the repos
[09:26] <fatejudger> !tell lzhz789 about repos
[09:27] <lzhz789> fatejudger: is it means repository?
[09:29] <_isaac> hi, i did backup the xorg file, how can i charge the changes???
[09:30] <supo> _isaac, yes i did
[09:36] <_isaac> hi, i did backup the xorg file, how can i charge the changes???
[10:00] <gp> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4975; any ideas?
[10:02] <fatejudger> gp: yeah, your computer is broken
[10:09] <_lzhz789> fatejudger:i can't get update for this " http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[10:09] <_lzhz789> i have tried server times
[10:25] <gp> fatejudger: care to digress more?
[10:26] <fatejudger> gp: have you tried installing a newer version of python?
[10:26] <fatejudger> gp: and are you using the .deb cedega or did you compile it from cvs?
[10:26] <gp> I extracted the *.tar.gz file.
[10:27] <gp> I have only the version of python that came with cedega.
[10:27] <fatejudger> I don't believe cedega comes with python
[10:27] <fatejudger> and you SHOULD be using the .deb
[10:28] <gp> Is there a way to delete all the files that came in the tar.gz?
[10:28] <fatejudger> did you make install?
[10:30] <gp> No, I just untar'ed the tar file - that's what the 'howto' said to do.
[10:31] <^rob^> hi there
[10:32] <gp> I'll just download the .deb file.
[10:32] <fatejudger> gp: well delete them then
[10:32] <fatejudger> gp: yes, do that
[10:32] <gp> Alright.
[10:32] <gp> Thanks./
[10:32] <fatejudger> gp: the deb works perfectly, you shouldn't have any problems
[10:34] <^rob^> ihow do i set CC environmen to point to the "gcc" version "3.4.5"
[10:34] <^rob^> i have them both
[10:34] <crimsun> CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4 [...] 
[10:37] <^rob^> ty
[10:39] <^rob^> any good tutorial about how to make iso and write it - to dvd ?
[10:39] <^rob^> for data backup
[10:58] <kairu0> hey all
[11:01] <gath> morning
[11:02] <aftertaf> morning
[11:02] <gath> how i can completely remove kubuntu from my computer?
[11:04] <_mephisto> #irchelp
[11:05] <gath> what?
[11:06] <kairu0> morning
[11:07] <kairu0> gath, install another OS in its place?
[11:07] <gath> it is possible?
[11:10] <kairu0> gath: yes. what do you want to replace ubuntu with
[11:10] <kairu0> oops kubuntu
[11:11] <gath> i format the partition
[11:15] <kairu0> gath, formatting and clearing the MBR will remove kubuntu completely
[11:16] <gath> because something iss wrong with my kubuntu
[11:23] <rosco_> hi
[11:31] <kairu0> hi robotgeek 
[11:31] <kairu0> oops
[11:31] <kairu0> hi rosco_ 
[11:34] <robotgeek> kairu0: hi
[11:38] <kairu0> whats up robotgeek 
[11:39] <robotgeek> kairu0: nm, just lurking
[11:44] <kairu0> lol
[11:45] <kairu0> beats 'prowling'
[11:45] <robotgeek> yeah :)
[12:15] <Loon> hi all
[12:15] <robotgeek> hola
[12:15] <Loon> ciao
[12:16] <robotgeek> Loon: already :)
[12:16] <Loon> I am a new user of Kubuntu!
[12:16] <Delvien> Any way to have amaroK be less hefty on the CPU/mem load?
[12:16] <robotgeek> Delvien: ah, not really. i've tried changing themes. and turning off the last.fm stuff works fine
[12:17] <Delvien> robotgeek so yougot it to be lighter?
[12:17] <robotgeek> Delvien: it's running at 11% of my cpu
[12:17] <Delvien> what engine you running?
[12:17] <robotgeek> gstreamer
[12:18] <robotgeek> Delvien: i think you might have suggested it to me before
[12:18] <Delvien> ah hehe
[12:18] <Delvien> it sounds the best 
[12:18] <Delvien> its running 40% of my CPU..
[12:19] <robotgeek> that sounds quite a lot
[12:19] <Delvien> aye
[12:19] <Delvien> im running 1.3.1 is there a newer version?
[12:20] <robotgeek> i'm running the same, i think
[12:20] <robotgeek> yup, the same
[12:20] <robotgeek> ppc is the r0x0rs :)
[12:21] <usercamp5> aloowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[12:22] <robotgeek> hellow
[12:22] <Loon> and about kaffeine?
[12:22] <Delvien> robotgeek ah , have to have it open a while,  now running 6% and playing music too :P
[12:22] <usercamp5> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:23] <robotgeek> Delvien: i think it takes some juice intially while organising
[12:23] <Loon> robotgeek it seems that you know almost all, I have a question 4 you, if ou can!
[12:23] <Delvien> robotgeek aye, turned off "get related artist info" or whatever was in last.fm
[12:24] <robotgeek> Loon: we do what we can
[12:25] <Loon> kaffeine does not work
[12:25] <Loon> when I try to reproduce a song or a movie it telles me that there are no plugins..
[12:26] <Loon> pardon, no decoders for the stream :-/
[12:26] <robotgeek> Loon: i belive you need codecs
[12:26] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell Loon about w32codecs
[12:27] <Loon> ok
[12:27] <Loon> I hve downloaded win32codecs and put them in /usr/lib/win32 right?
[12:28] <robotgeek> Loon: i belive the .deb package should do all the groundwork for you
[12:29] <Loon> let's try ;-)
[12:35] <Loon> m
[12:35] <Loon> nothing happened
[12:35] <robotgeek> Loon: did you install the package with sudo dpkg -i w32codecs-blahblah.deb
[12:36] <Loon> yep
[12:36] <Loon> i come from Debian
[12:37] <robotgeek> Loon: do you have totem-xine installed?
[12:38] <Loon> no
[12:38] <Loon> I never had...
[12:39] <robotgeek> Loon: get that, i believe that works well with codecs
[12:40] <Loon> ok...i try to turn around kaffeine
[12:40] <robotgeek> Loon: though, i think kaffeine has an option to select decoders
[12:41] <Tm_T> totem(-xine) is yuk
[12:41] <Loon> hehehe
[12:44] <Loon> in my list i have totem and totem-gstreamer....
[12:44] <Loon> not xine!
[12:45] <thoreauputic> try kaffeine-xine
[12:45] <thoreauputic> !ino kaffeine-xine
[12:45] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I give up, what is it?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> hah
[12:45] <thoreauputic> !info kaffeine-xine
[12:45] <ubotu> kaffeine-xine: (xine engine for kaffeine media player), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.7-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 548 kB
[12:45] <Loon> kaffeine-gstreamer
[12:46] <Loon> m!
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Loon: install that package and you'll have a choice of engines in kaffeine
[12:46] <Loon> it seems that I have to allow universe packages too...
[12:46] <thoreauputic> of course - why not?
[12:47] <Loon> are they ok? 
[12:47] <thoreauputic> sure
[12:47] <Loon> universe multiverse...anything?
[12:47] <Loon> or only universe restricted?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> Loon: they are supported by the community - the MOTU (masters of the universe) ;)
[12:48] <Loon> let's try...i can always reinstall ;-)
[12:48] <mrmarcel> hi
[12:48] <thoreauputic> !tell Loon about repos
[12:48] <thoreauputic> Loon: heh - you won't have troubles with universe and multiverse
[12:49] <Loon> ok ok
[12:49] <Loon> I'mquite more a philosofical then a programmer...
[12:49] <Loon> but I trust Synaptic when I add universe packages and it telles me that they aren't supported...
[12:50] <thoreauputic> they aren't supported by Canonical - they are supported by the community
[12:51] <Loon> ok
[12:51] <Loon> let's trust the community ;-)
[12:51] <thoreauputic> it's really just a commercial/ business issue - Canonical can't support over 17 000 packages ;-)
[12:51] <Loon> !info localepurge
[12:51] <ubotu> localepurge: (Automagically remove unnecessary locale data), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 0.3 (breezy), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 164 kB
[12:53] <skypa> does the (k)ubuntu install cd has a rescue console?
[12:53] <skypa> need to do some repartitioning
[12:59] <os2mac> does anyone know where I can download the offical unbuntu artwork?
[12:59] <robotgeek> art.ubuntu.com ?
[12:59] <robotgeek> !art
[12:59] <ubotu> methinks art is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityArtwork
[01:01] <Loon> i have installed kaffeine-xine and i'm removing kaffeine-gstreamer...
[01:02] <os2mac> lart's back... ok how about the offical ubuntu desktop....that is not on either of those pages.
[01:02] <os2mac> hehe..robot..your !art looked like lart for a sec...
[01:02] <os2mac> sorry
[01:06] <Loon> fiewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:06] <Loon> it works
[01:07] <thoreauputic> Loon: you don't have to remove kaffeine-gstreamer really
[01:07] <thoreauputic> you just choose your engine in the menu
[01:07] <Loon> ok
[01:08] <Loon> but i did...
[01:08] <Loon> if i don't need it....
[01:08] <Loon> it's only entropy
[01:08] <Loon> or not?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> *shrug* it just sits there so I guess it doesn't drain reources - and it's pretty small ( a plugin)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> *resources
[01:11] <thoreauputic> something like 76k According to apt-cache show kaffeine-gstreamer
[01:12] <Loon> ok
[01:12] <thoreauputic> heh - you probably would never use it though ( gstreamer has some maturing to do IMO)
[01:12] <thoreauputic> it's OK for audio, but video is a bit tougher
[01:12] <Loon> i set it up again...but if  kaffeine will be corrupted, l'' remove
[01:12] <thoreauputic> it won't hurt anything :)
[01:13] <thoreauputic> apt/ dpkg /adept or whatever takes care of you ;-)
[01:13] <Loon> and what about noatun...it crushes and seems useless....as amarok...I'have always used xmms
[01:15] <thoreauputic> amarok is usually very good - it crashes ? I would be surprised
[01:15] <Loon> let's try amarok
[01:15] <thoreauputic> you can also get a xine engine for amarok, or a gstreamer engine (both work fine)
[01:15] <Loon> m
[01:15] <thoreauputic> amarok-xine, amarok-gstreamer
[01:16] <Loon> gstreamer did'nt work before
[01:17] <Loon> nothing...even with xine engine it telles me "List finished"
[01:17] <thoreauputic> actually amarok comes with both by default if I read correctly
[01:17] <thoreauputic> you installed w32codecs and gstreamer0.8-mad etc ?
[01:17] <thoreauputic> have you read the wiki page about restricted formats?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> !tell Loon about restricted
[01:19] <Loon> the mad no...i'm setting up now
[01:22] <Loon> :-) gstreamer0.8-mad missing!!! Now amarok works
[01:41] <hendy> does anyone know, why i cant set my IP address and route address using "sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" but the result is always show my IP address is 192.168.2.1, and i cant enable / disable the interface either... :(
[01:48] <Loon> do anyone (unluckly) use S3 Savage 4 video card?
[01:49] <silensius> hi does possible to install on ubuntu a windows sofware ?
[01:56] <hendy> oh.. i already figure it out :)
[01:57] <hendy> but the problem now is how can i install HTB(bandwith management) with apt -get? :(
[02:07] <l3m> silensius: you can use WINE 
[02:08] <l3m> silensius: if it is not a game, chances are it'll work 
[02:12] <Loon> hi kubunters!!!
[02:12] <Loon> See ya nex time!!! 
[02:14] <robotgeek> l3m: :)
[02:14] <l3m> hrhr
[02:15] <silensius> thanks l3m
[02:25] <_spin> italiani?
[02:26] <gath> hello
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi gath, hi _spin
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> _spin: try ubuntu-it
[02:27] <gath> where i can get a new sources list? i have allready installes kubuntu breezy
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> why do you need a new one?
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> !sources
[02:27] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:28] <gath> because, something i can not download
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> look at what ubotu said
[02:32] <gath> but maybe , i only have to uncomment the files in the sources.lst
[02:32] <gath> yes, that is all
[02:55] <gath> anybody knows , how i can listen some mp3`s
[02:55] <gath> ?
[02:55] <gath> !media
[02:55] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, gath
[02:56] <gath> !mp3
[02:56] <ubotu> to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:30] <andreas__> is it possible to change the size of the icons in kmenu?
[03:30] <andreas__> I want them bigger
[03:35] <andreas__> I found out, nvm
[03:35] <devlin7> I downloaded and burned the i386 install CD of Kubuntu, verified the MD5sum as being correct. At the same point everytime I get a error reading from CD-ROM. I've tried 2 burns so far with same result. anyone know what causes this?
[03:38] <l3m> do you try to read the cd in the same drive as you burned it?
[03:39] <devlin7> No, I am installing to a computer that doesn't have a RW drive. If it helps its always at "Load Installer components from CD"
[03:40] <l3m> do other cd's you've burned on your rw work on that computer?
[03:41] <devlin7> yes, 2 weeks ago I downloaded & burned SUSE 10.0 and it read and installed all 5 cd's
[03:41] <carsten> i downloaded bittorrent 4.2.0 from http://www.bittorrent.com/ i installed the .deb via konqueror, how can i start bittorrent?
[03:42] <l3m> devlin7: hmm weird. dunno, sry
[03:43] <l3m> carsten: the console bt is btdownloadcurses <torrent> . why didn't you just use apt-get ? bittorrent is in kubuntu 
[03:43] <carsten> i used the apt-get bittorrent but it is old. like REAL old
[03:44] <l3m> try bittornado
[03:44] <devlin7> hmmm... one thing different with the burning. I will be PO'd if its Roxio's ISO burning... its the only different thing entered into the mix. just thought of that. It over took my old iso program
[03:44] <l3m> or, if you want a graphical client, use azureus
[03:45] <l3m> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[03:45] <carsten> you told me about azureus yesterday, i followed the link and it is java. i dont think that java tools are good
[03:45] <l3m> carsten: well i don't really like java either but azureus is the most powerful bittorrent client i know
[03:46] <l3m> carsten: maybe you can try ktorrent too, it's small and simple but graphical ;)
[03:46] <Fillado> indeed
[03:47] <andreas__> what a shitti bt client
[03:47] <andreas__> I mean for real
[03:47] <andreas__> there's not even a manpage
[03:48] <l3m> andreas__: which one?
[03:49] <andreas__> bittornado
[03:49] <l3m> bittornado is great
[03:49] <l3m> ;)
[03:49] <l3m> and it's completely command compatible to the original bittorrent
[03:50] <emanuel> Hello, should I upgrade to kde 3.5 rc1 while I'm on kde?
[03:50] <l3m> emanuel: if you like unstable but new software, yes. if you just want a system that works, no
[03:50] <carsten> i still dont get it. under XP (sorry to mention that) the newes BT client, from the offical page can DL up to 3 torents at once, and has torrent queuing. here, even if i installed the 4.20 (i can check that in adept) the bittorrent program says it would be version 3.something. you cant even limit the upload capacity
[03:51] <emanuel> I mean, is ok to upgrade KDE when KDE is running?
[03:51] <l3m> carsten: of course you can
[03:52] <l3m> carsten: btdownloadcurses --max_upload_rate x 
[03:52] <carsten> l3m:  youre right, there is a parameter. but under xp you had a small slider.
[03:52] <carsten> l3m: and what about torrent queuing?
[03:52] <l3m> emanuel: yes, just restart into kdm after upgrading
[03:52] <l3m> carsten: if you want a graphical client, use azureus
[03:53] <emanuel> Ok, thanks.
[03:53] <l3m> carsten: if you want a quick and powerful small client, use bt or bittornado
[03:53] <l3m> carsten: you do have do decide what's important to you ;)
[03:53] <andreas__> there should be an alternative inbetween
[03:54] <andreas__> bt/btornado is practically useless to anyone but masochistic geeks, and azuerus is a pain to install
[03:54] <l3m> andreas__: there is. ktorrent e.g. 
[03:54] <l3m> andreas__: there are many inbetween
[03:54] <l3m> and bt is great
[03:54] <l3m> together with screen
[03:54] <l3m> andreas__: just because you don't know how to use something doesn't make it bad
[03:55] <andreas__> that's not what I'm saying
[03:55] <carsten> i will learn how i can write bittorrent skripts, and will use the curses thingie.
[03:55] <l3m> andreas__: in winxp you only have graphical clients. in linux, you can choose between graphical and console clients. i don't see how that's a disadvantage?
[03:56] <mornfall> carsten: btlaunchmany is your friend
[03:56] <carsten> l3m:  there is not the same original graphic client in xp and linux.
[03:56] <mornfall> maybe try ktorrent, too
[03:56] <carsten> but perhaps i am always starting the wrong one
[03:56] <l3m> and apt-cache search bittorrent gives 9 hits
[03:56] <l3m> and that's without azureus which is not in kubu
[03:58] <l3m> carsten: well it's not linuxes fault if the bittorrent author doesn't make the same version for every system
[03:58] <l3m> carsten: but i think bittorrent-gui is pretty close, no? 
[04:02] <carsten> the version i installed is called bittorrent-4.2.0.linux
[04:02] <mornfall> carsten: you have interesting problems huh ;-)
[04:02] <devlin7> Well it wasn't Roxio's problem. I just burned yet another CD using a different iso maker and same exact error....
[04:03] <carsten> mornfall: i dont understand what you are saying?
[04:03] <mornfall> nm
[04:12] <devlin7> 13mm:  ah ha! what a strange problem I have found... Apparently what is causing the install error is the fact I have no NIC card. I carefully watched the install and thats when it craps out. 
[04:14] <devlin7> tho I have a nic card... dunno why its doing that..
[04:14] <l3m> hmm weird
[04:14] <l3m> what kind of nic do you have?
[04:17] <devlin7> dunno..."yet" will pull system apart. I am attempting install on an eMachine (garbage) PC someone gave me when they bought a new machine.
[04:17] <l3m> devlin7: hmm maybe try the livecd
[04:17] <devlin7> odd thing is kubuntu says I have firewire which I do not have...
[04:17] <l3m> see if that works
[04:18] <devlin7> I have played w/ the live cd and it works perfectly thats whats so confusing
[04:22] <federico> hello channel! I'm using Kubuntu Breezy Badger, and I have a problem with my K-Menu. In fact, it is not updated with new menu entries after installing software with Synaptic. I know not every program adds an entry, but my menu really seems to be broken!
[04:22] <federico> Also, changes with the menu editor aren't saved.
[04:22] <federico> Although, every installed program has a proper link in /usr/share/applications. Has anyone an idea how to fix the menu?
[04:24] <devlin7> 13mm:  ack! I did an integrity test and tho the MD5sum test passed the integrity test failed on ./install/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz   does this help any in what could be wrong?
[04:25] <l3m> yes
[04:25] <l3m> initrd contains many important parts of the system
[04:25] <l3m> maybe try downloading the cd from another source
[04:25] <l3m> weird though, that the md5 passed
[04:26] <devlin7> I thought it was weird too.. I will try downloading from another server tho... crossin' my fingers lol
[04:27] <l3m> good luck ;)
[04:29] <devlin7> may sound stupid but could a bad nic card cause this? 
[04:33] <l3m> no idea 
[04:33] <l3m> maybe?
[04:33] <l3m> ;)
[04:35] <l3m> devlin7: does the nic work with the livecd?
[04:36] <devlin7> just wonderin'... this pc is weird but when I turn it off the nic is still active w/ the router
[04:37] <gath> hello
[04:37] <gath> i have some problems with breezy an a usb-stick
[04:38] <federico_lu> gath: me too. Or more exactly, with an Memory Stick card reader
[04:39] <gath> federico_lu:  yes with both
[04:39] <gath> !usb
[04:39] <ubotu> gath: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:39] <gath> !media
[04:39] <ubotu> Wish i knew, gath
[04:40] <gath> !usb-stick
[04:40] <ubotu> gath: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:40] <federico_lu> gath: my problem is, that when I transfer files (mostly mp3), it says they are saved on the stick, and they even show up correctly on Konqueror, but then my device can't play them (says they are corrupt, or the playback stops in the middle of the song etc). When transferring the same files with Windows things go fine.
[04:40] <federico_lu> Same for you?
[04:40] <gath> no
[04:41] <gath> did you save the stick before removing?
[04:41] <federico_lu> you mean unmount it? Yes I did. Did not help.
[04:42] <gath> mhh
[04:42] <federico_lu> It's a Sony Ericsson K750i mobile phone, which is detected as a standart card reader.
[04:42] <federico_lu> On Windows things go fine, don't know where the problem is ... :(
[04:42] <federico_lu> what goes wrong on your system?
[04:43] <gath> i know this, sometimes win is better with such things like mp3 oder usb-stick 
[04:44] <federico_lu> I agree. I know use our laptop for things like that.
[04:44] <federico_lu> know = now
[04:44] <gath> if i put a stick on my system , konqi open, but no content; instead some error by loading media:/.......
[04:45] <federico_lu> did you do a "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[04:45] <federico_lu> Had that problem with a fresh install of breezy badger too, updates resolved that problem.
[04:46] <gath> yes bevor 5 min
[04:46] <gath> befor
[04:46] <federico_lu> hmm maybe you have to reboot
[04:46] <gath> mybe, i`ll try it
[04:46] <gath> cu
[04:46] <federico_lu> bye
[04:48] <emanuel> Ok, I have enought of kde 3.5 rc1, how can I downgrade to kde 3.4? :-) 
[04:50] <federico_lu> I didn't even notice any changes between those versions :) But I'm a bloody beginner ...
[04:50] <l3m> emanuel: well, remove the new apt source, apt-get --reinstall the whole kde, rename .kde in your home.... 
[04:51] <l3m> and restart
[04:51] <l3m> preferably while not in kde
[04:51] <l3m> ;)
[04:51] <emanuel> What's the command to reinstall the whole kde?
[04:52] <l3m> apt-get --reinstall install kde .. but maybe you'd also have to reinstall some pkgs by hand
[04:52] <l3m> also, you have to abt-get update after removing the 3.5 source
[04:52] <emanuel> Right.
[04:53] <emanuel> I already did that...
[04:56] <nalioth> emanuel: get rid of the 3.5 sources list in your box, and ctrl-alt-f2, login and issue "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop"
[04:56] <nalioth> emanuel: make sure you update your apt after removing the 3.5 repositories
[04:56] <emanuel> A ver...
[04:57] <emanuel> That's better "apt-get --reinstall install kde" said there was dependencies that wouldn't be installed.
[05:00] <emanuel> nalioth: it was a very quick operation, I don't think it's downgraded...
[05:00] <nalioth> emanuel: welcome to the world of beta software
[05:00] <pigeonflight> What changes the splash image at Boot up?
[05:00] <Stele> I don't care who killed him I want my MONEY!!!
[05:01] <Stele> aww crap sorry wrong channel
[05:01] <pigeonflight> the Area where it shows the debug info as to what is ok and what failed
[05:01] <pigeonflight> Is it usplash?
[05:01] <emanuel> :-D
[05:02] <emanuel> nalioth: I was already there... :-D
[05:03] <pigeonflight> there is an xubuntu one now :-)
[05:05] <nalioth> emanuel: try the "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde" thing
[05:07] <pigeonflight> nalioth: Hi
[05:07] <nalioth> pigeonflight: howdy
[05:07] <pigeonflight> nalioth: How goes it?
[05:07] <nalioth> pigeonflight: great! and you?
[05:08] <pigeonflight> trying to redo some interface stuff
[05:08] <nalioth> pigeonflight: great fun, i'm sure
[05:09] <pigeonflight> usplash as I understand it is the Grub menu that allows you to choose what you are booting into?
[05:09] <kkathman> pigeonflight: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Changing_KDE_splash_screen.html
[05:10] <emanuel> nalioth: I get (traslated from Spanish): kde: Depends: kdesdk but it won't be installed.
[05:10] <emanuel> That's with "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde".
[05:10] <pigeonflight> kkathman: This is for when KDE is starting?
[05:10] <pigeonflight> kkathman: I'm looking for the splash before KDE starts
[05:10] <kkathman> its the KDE splash screen
[05:11] <kkathman> which is what you asked for I thought
[05:11] <pigeonflight> kkathman: Well the one before Linux starts
[05:11] <kkathman> ohh.. hmm thats doesnt have anything to do with KDE
[05:11] <pigeonflight> I know
[05:11] <pigeonflight> It has to do with k/x/ubuntu
[05:12] <kkathman> well, kind of
[05:12] <kkathman> kubuntu is ubuntu w/KDE
[05:12] <l3m> there's a kernel bootsplash and then there's kdm and then there's the kde splash
[05:12] <kkathman> right
[05:12] <nalioth> emanuel: you have removed those repos URLs from your sources.list, right?
[05:12] <kkathman> I dont know how to change the bootsplash but have you asked Uncle Google?
[05:12] <pigeonflight> l3m: I think the kernel bootsplash is what I'm looking for
[05:13] <pigeonflight> I didn't know it was called a bootsplash :)
[05:13] <l3m> you probably want apt-get install usplash and www.bootsplash.org
[05:13] <kkathman> pigeonflight: look under Uncle Google...ubuntu bootsplash :)
[05:14] <emanuel> nalioth: I removed the one I had added to upgrade to kde 3.5 rc1.
[05:14] <nalioth> emanuel: then "sudo apt-get remove kdesdk"
[05:18] <emanuel> nalioth: it says kdesdk isn't installed.
[05:19] <nalioth> emanuel: i suspect you'll need to do some creative thinking
[05:20] <emanuel> Ok, I'm where I didn't want to be. :-)
[05:20] <nalioth> emanuel: what is wrong with 3.5?
[05:21] <emanuel> Locales...
[05:22] <jocho> anyone has used facturalux?
[05:22] <emanuel> I get strange simbols for some Spanish characters.
[05:23] <emanuel> The System Setting tool window exced my screen resolution (1024x768).
[05:24] <jocho> i fixed it by changing in system settings regional ... disposiscion del teclado
[05:24] <emanuel> A ver...
[05:25] <jocho> facturalux anyone know something?
[05:27] <devlin7> 13mm: I am downloading unubuntu and going to try installing that then add KDE. The only server that I seem to be able to connect too for Kunbuntu is the one I got the bad iso from
[05:28] <emanuel> It's extrange, 'cause all characters seems to be ok, except in the "Internet" item in the K menu.
[05:28] <l3m> devlin7: try bittorrent
[05:29] <l3m> devlin7: were are you from?
[05:29] <l3m> i think you tried this: http://kubuntu.org/download.php ?
[05:29] <nalioth> emanuel: was that the ONLY problem? that is known and easily fixed on the kubuntu forums
[05:30] <nalioth> emanuel: the system settings window is a known problem, see the kubuntu forums
[05:32] <emanuel> nalioth: that's all I found in a half hour test... Ok, thanks, I'll the forums.
[05:35] <pigeonflight> kkathman-away: Thanks
[05:51] <yannz> I'm from Oslo.
[05:51] <yannz> =D
[05:53] <devlin7> 13mm: oh, yes my downloads were from http://kubuntu.org/download.php    the 1st US server I can't usually connect too the 2nd is where I got the iso w/ bad file
[06:00] <carsten> is there anywhere a bittorrent linux support chat?
[06:01] <nalioth> azureus runs on anything with a java implementation. dont ask me how, i dont use java apps
[06:01] <pigeonflight> l3m: I take it http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm is not accurate
[06:04] <devlin7> I see bittorrent mentioned alot.. is it much faster than a direct download?
[06:05] <carsten> devlin7: there is data in the net that can only be received via bittorrent
[06:05] <nalioth> devlin7: depends on the file
[06:06] <carsten> i installed the new 4.2 version and it wont work, so has anyone heard of such a chat?
[06:06] <devlin7> nalioth: in this case I am refering to the kubunto breezy download... my last direct one was strange. It passed the md5sum check but failed the integrety check
[06:08] <yannz> devlin7, it's not really faster. But it depends less on one single source of great bandwidth. 
[06:08] <nalioth> devlin7: what you do in that case is get the .torrent file for that image, and start it with you iso image as the target. bittorrent should fill in the missig pieces and bring it into spec
[06:10] <devlin7> nalioth: thanks for the suggestion, will give it a shot after my current d/l is finished :)
[06:10] <nalioth> devlin7: using bittorrent in that fashion sure beats d/l the whole iso again and hoping it works
[06:11] <monad> hi... can anyone tell me how to stop kdm? i don't want to use it
[06:11] <monad> there was a command similar to rc-update, but i don't remember the name
[06:11] <nalioth> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[06:11] <devlin7> lol true, I may not have dial-up but I also don't have the fastest broadband either... any less d/ling is helpful
[06:17] <bl3ssing> why can't i look to my wmv file ... it has been 2-3 days since I've tried, and nothing.
[06:17] <bl3ssing> :-((
[06:18] <binus> does anyone know how to restart network?
[06:18] <bl3ssing> but I won't quit so easy ...
[06:18] <nalioth> bl3ssing: i'll say it again. microsoft changes their codecs regularly
[06:18] <bl3ssing> I'll try again and again ...
[06:18] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:18] <bl3ssing> oh, I see nalioth, how about the mpg files?
[06:18] <bl3ssing> I can't see even the mpg
[06:19] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bl3ssing about multimedia
[06:19] <binus> i was setting nat with iptables -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -t nat 192.168.0.0/24  and set ip_forward to 1  but i still can't get the client connected to the internet :(
[06:19] <binus> please help me
[06:20] <nalioth> binus: ask in #ubuntu 
[06:20] <binus> ok
[06:26] <spk> ciao
[06:26] <nalioth> howdy
[06:27] <spk> [GStreamer Error]  ** gstmad.c(1206): gst_mad_checks_caps_reset: / 
[06:27] <spk> thread/decodenin1/mad2: Failed to negotiate 44100 Hz 2 ch
[06:27] <spk> ho appena installato kubuntu ed i codec mp3,ma ho questo errore 
[06:28] <spk> qualcuno sa come si risolve?
[06:29] <bhna> spk: #kubuntu-it
[06:29] <regeya> !english
[06:29] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, regeya
[06:29] <nalioth> ubotu: tell spk about mp3
[06:29] <pigeonflight> !upower
[06:29] <ubotu> pigeonflight: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[06:30] <pigeonflight> !splashy
[06:30] <ubotu> pigeonflight: No idea
[06:30] <pigeonflight> !bootsplash
[06:30] <ubotu> pigeonflight: Are you on ritalin?
[06:30] <spk> sorry
[06:31] <spk> sorry i thought i was in the italian kubuntu channel :-D i has just asked you about error
[06:31] <spk> [GStreamer Error]  ** gstmad.c(1206): gst_mad_checks_caps_reset: / 
[06:31] <spk> thread/decodenin1/mad2: Failed to negotiate 44100 Hz 2 ch
[06:32] <spk> i've already installed all the necessary codecs
[06:33] <nalioth> skypa: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:33] <skypa> oO
[06:33] <nalioth> spk:  install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:33] <nalioth> sorry skypa 
[06:33] <nalioth> faulty tab-completion strikes again
[06:33] <skypa> faulty.. I call it lazy :p
[06:34] <spk> it says that it's already installed
[06:34] <nalioth> that's me, lazy
[06:34] <nalioth> spk: it may be a bad music file, my italian isn't so good
[06:36] <spk> no i've tryed more than 1 mp3,and other people seem to have the same problem on the net
[06:37] <spk> but because this is the first time i use kubuntu/ubuntu i think that for a problem like this it would be an easy solution,or not?
[06:37] <spk> sorry for my bad english :-P
[06:38] <nalioth> spk: have you used a different media player?
[06:39] <nalioth> !it
[06:39] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese, Grazie...
[06:39] <spk> sorry connection reset
[06:39] <nalioth> !it
[06:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell spk about it
[06:40] <toffmini> bonsoir
[06:40] <toffmini> comment crer un profil sur Xchat
[06:41] <nalioth> no parle francais ici, toffmini anglais s'il vous plait
[06:42] <nalioth> !fr
[06:42] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[06:43] <toffmini> ok dsol
[06:43] <spk> nobody had that problem with mp3?
[06:43] <toffmini> bye
[06:43] <nalioth> toffmini: be safe
[06:45] <gast> sourceforge-downloads sind down :((
[06:46] <skypa> -sind +are
[06:46] <gast> ah sorry
[06:46] <skypa> :p
[06:46] <gast> can anyone approve?
[06:46] <gast> i need hat file:
[06:46] <gast> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in-3.15.tar.gz?download
[06:48] <nalioth> gast: it is not in the repositories?
[06:48] <devlin7> nalioth: how do I target an iso on my drive for a torrent?
[06:48] <nalioth> devlin7: what torrent client do you use?
[06:48] <gast> nalioth, it is but i want to compile it on my own
[06:49] <devlin7> um...windows
[06:49] <nalioth> gast: ah, i see.  you can ask google for this >>> mplayerplug-in-3.15.tar.gz
[06:50] <devlin7> nalioth: oh, ya mean like BitTorrent?
[06:51] <nalioth> devlin7: yes, like bittorrent
[06:51] <gast> ah thanks, found it at http://ftp.citkit.ru/pub/sourceforge/m/mp/mplayerplug-in/
[06:51] <nalioth> devlin7: where is your iso image and matching torrent file?
[06:51] <devlin7> nalioth: lol, then BitTorrent.. sorry brain is slipping today
[06:51] <libben> i can pop azureus with TAB in terminal, but in katapult it wont show.
[06:53] <libben> nalioth: i got the azureus working with symlink, and it pops with TAB in terminal. but in katapult it wont show. any ideas?
[06:54] <nalioth> idk what katapult is. but i have heard it is diffecult to configure properly
[06:55] <libben> u dont know what katapult? alt+space to get it popping in kubuntu/breezy
[06:55] <nalioth> i know what katapult is
[06:55] <devlin7> nalioth: hmmm... my iso image is on c:\download\isos  my torrent file is mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/5.10/
[06:55] <nalioth> devlin7: download the .torrent file that matches your iso image to c:\download\isos
[06:57] <devlin7> nalioth: currently am doing so.. but it just seemed like it was doing a complete download. At least it is showing the same expected time.
[06:57] <nalioth> devlin7: stop.
[06:57] <nalioth> devlin7: you want breezy kubuntu ?
[06:58] <devlin7> what ever one is the current stable release
[06:58] <nalioth> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/breezy/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso.torrent
[06:58] <nalioth> grab that file
[06:59] <devlin7> wow big difference lol
[07:01] <nalioth> devlin7: let's hope you didnt overwrite your md5 failing image with 14 seconds of new one
[07:06] <hussam> is this kde 3.5 final  :) ? http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/
[07:08] <nalioth> devlin7: how we doing?
[07:26] <devlin7> nalioth: it zipped right down in like less than a min or two.. 
[07:27] <nalioth> so you have a good image now?
[07:27] <devlin7> dunno, I'm about to burn it now
[07:28] <nalioth> devlin7: did the torrent say "download complete" ?
[07:28] <devlin7> yes
[07:28] <nalioth> devlin7: then you've learned something today
[07:29] <nalioth> ;)
[07:31] <devlin7> nalioth: thats for sure! and I greatly appricate the help :)
[07:32] <nalioth> devlin7: share the love, help someone else
[07:32] <Soyburg> Hello, I would like to kill a process that is hanging (mkdosfs) but I have no luck with kill -9 pid. What else can I do?
[07:32] <devlin7> I plan too, here in my town I take in old pc's, fix em up and give them away... hehehe its also my way of spreading linux!
[07:34] <Soyburg> Ah, ok.  I killed the parent process.
[07:34] <l3m>  devlin7 it worked? yay
[07:34] <l3m> so the old cd image was broken?
[07:34] <devlin7> still burning lol
[07:34] <l3m> ah
[07:34] <l3m> uhh good luck ;)
[07:36] <devlin7> burn done, will know in two mins
[07:36] <Cagliostro> hi all, i wish to know if is possible to install kubuntu via livecd
[07:38] <devlin7> Cagliostro: I'm not positive but doubtful since there is a seperate iso file for making the installable version
[07:39] <Cagliostro> but i read about the ubuntu-express installer..
[07:39] <devlin7> 13m: okay now I'm gonna cry! it crapped out at the exact same place!
[07:39] <l3m> ;(
[07:39] <Cagliostro> the problem is that i need to install at a friend home, and he wants to check first which one he likes, so doing i will end up with 4cd and i want to avoid!!1
[07:40] <asimon> Cagliostro: That will be possible with future Dapper Drake, then there will be only one cd, livecd and installcd in one.
[07:40] <Cagliostro> one more question, my friend has an athlon 1000 and 512 ram, can KDE run on it or will be too much slow and i should revert to gnome?
[07:40] <endo602> how do i permanently change xmodmap?
[07:41] <asimon> Cagliostro: My guess is that KDE should be acceptable fast on this system. I doubt that gnome will be much faster.
[07:42] <Cagliostro> thanks
[07:42] <l3m> Cagliostro: i run KDE with full details on my ultraportable vaio with 1.1 ghz and 512 mb ram and it runs just fine
[07:43] <Cagliostro> the system will be used mainly for calculation (university stuffs, big big big calculations..)
[07:43] <skypa> I have a text file with lot's of ^C02^B and such
[07:43] <skypa> any ideas on how to strip that?
[07:43] <l3m> Cagliostro: i even thought about upgrading ram but checking my ram usage showed that i hardly ever use more than 300mb, even with tons of tabs in konqui open and 6 virtual desktops full of stuff
[07:44] <binus> how to install webmin in kubuntu?
[07:44] <dipnlik> skypa: sed
[07:44] <l3m> binus: "sudo apt-get install webmin"
[07:45] <binus> l3m: yes.. its E: Couldn't find package webmin
[07:46] <Cagliostro> great
[07:46] <asimon> endo602: Do you mean automatically calling xmodmap when logging in? For a single KDE user you could put a small script which calls xmodmap into ~/.kde/Autostart or for all users you could put it into /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[07:46] <l3m> binus: you need to enable universe 
[07:46] <Cagliostro> at now i am running ubuntu on my athlon 900 but i have only 256ram
[07:46] <l3m> tell binus about universe
[07:46] <devlin7> bbl
[07:46] <nalioth> binus: enable universe and multiverse
[07:46] <l3m> ubotu tell binus about universe
[07:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell binus about repos
[07:47] <Cagliostro> gnome runs great
[07:47] <binus> thanks
[07:47] <l3m> Cagliostro: kde runs better ;) 
[07:47] <l3m> hrhr
[07:48] <dipnlik> ratpoison here, wayyyy better :)
[07:48] <Cagliostro> eheheh on my system didn't run at all :D wanted 380meg ram and i didn't have
[07:49] <Cagliostro> 300 not 380 :D u are right, requested right 300
[07:50] <Cagliostro> ehehhe im sorry i cant try it, i saw it is really really neat
[07:50] <Cagliostro> but what happens if a huge mem is requested, like from those university programs? those calculus program request really huge mem..
[07:52] <Cagliostro> :D
[07:53] <l3m> Cagliostro: there's swap, you know
[07:53] <us3r> i'm crazy? i want to install all package of kubuntu (universe e multiverse include) ^^
[07:53] <l3m> Cagliostro: and you can set the detail level
[07:53] <Cagliostro> yea but swap would SLOW the system alooot
[07:53] <Cagliostro> detail level of kubuntu?
[07:53] <dipnlik> us3r: yes you are crazy
[07:53] <l3m> with low detail level memory consumption goes down
[07:53] <us3r> ^^
[07:53] <l3m> Cagliostro: of kde
[07:53] <Cagliostro> wow
[07:53] <Cagliostro> im getting it
[07:54] <Cagliostro> at my home everything is ubuntu, my ahtlon 500 with 128meg, my celeron 300 with 192meg and my thunderbird 900 with 256meg.
[07:54] <Cagliostro> i've never tried kubuntu
[07:54] <l3m> hehe i have kubuntu only, and some debian servers ;)
[07:54] <l3m> tried gnome a few times but the apps just never seemed as nice and fully developed as in kde
[07:55] <us3r> anyway, how i have to configure kubuntu for share connection to all pcs in lan ? :(
[07:55] <l3m> us3r: system settings->sharing
[07:55] <Cagliostro> i had to put gnome because damn it the ram kde eats is far out of my possibilkities
[07:56] <l3m> Cagliostro: you spew propaganda from 2001 
[07:56] <l3m> a lot has happened since then
[07:56] <l3m> ;)
[07:56] <asimon> Cagliostro: I you want to save memory it may also be worth to try some of those lightweight window managers like fluxbox instead of gnome or kde. 
[07:56] <Cagliostro> yup i tried xfce
[07:57] <Cagliostro> and i've a question about it, once i try and i dun like, how can i get rid of it with all the useless libs it left?
[07:58] <Cagliostro> l3m why propaganda?
[07:58] <l3m> Cagliostro: because these days kde doesn't use more ram than gnome
[07:59] <Cagliostro> that's nice to hear!
[07:59] <Cagliostro> l3m how can i try it w/o installing, with a livecd?
[07:59] <Cagliostro> just to check if my poor system can stand
[07:59] <nalioth> Cagliostro: kubuntu liveCD    www.kubuntu.org
[08:00] <Soyburg> is there an easy way to format an sd card with fat32 under kubuntu?  anything with a gui?
[08:00] <asimon> Cagliostro: You could try to search for all installed packages containing xfce in the name and uninstall them. That should catch most of it.
[08:00] <l3m> Soyburg: hmm qtparted maybe
[08:00] <Soyburg> sounds intersting.
[08:00] <Cagliostro> asimon i tried it, but there are TONS of libs left..
[08:00] <Cagliostro> from time to time i find one..
[08:01] <Cagliostro> is a pity nobody thought about such an utility like "complete uninstall"
[08:01] <asimon> Cagliostro: Too bad, for KDE and Gnome there are categories which one can choose under synaptic, but not for xfce.
[08:02] <dipnlik> Cagliostro: at least in theory, aptitude is supposed to do that
[08:02] <dipnlik> Cagliostro: don't know about GUI programs though
[08:02] <Cagliostro> aptitude is the package manager in kubuntu?
[08:02] <asimon> Cagliostro: There is also "deborphan", which can find and list libraries which are no longer needed by other packages. But I never used it.
[08:03] <Cagliostro> i did use, but is damn useless
[08:03] <Cagliostro> find only old packages of plugins or good gstreamer codecs
[08:03] <Cagliostro> not even a lib
[08:03] <us3r> uhm...:( i didn't find system - settings --> sharing :(
[08:03] <asimon> Yes, that doesn't sound very useful.
[08:04] <nalioth> aptitude is a terminal program
[08:04] <asimon> us3r: In system settings it's under "Internet & Network", third entry here
[08:04] <Cagliostro> i heard about aptitude, but works only if u install stuffs tru it..
[08:05] <nalioth> Cagliostro: it works fine, all the time. you just wont get all it's benefits unless you use it in a dedicated manner
[08:05] <troy> I installed some debs for amarok from SVN that are not built for kubuntu -- had to remove the existing amarok, all is well, only I had to install the new once with --force-depends with dpkg
[08:06] <Cagliostro> why they didn't integrate with gui in kde or gnome
[08:06] <Cagliostro> dinner ready!
[08:06] <troy> now whenever I try to do apt-get, etc. it complains about depends and won't let me proceed
[08:06] <troy> any ideas?
[08:06] <us3r> asimon: connection preferences?
[08:06] <asimon> us3r: It's called "Sharing"
[08:07] <us3r> there isn't...
[08:07] <asimon> strange
[08:07] <us3r> only sharing there isn't...there is: "desktop sharing" and "file sharing", but only "sharing" no :(
[08:07] <dipnlik> Cagliostro: aptitude has a CLI but not a GUi. Quite nice
[08:08] <us3r> maybe i've to install a package for this ?
[08:08] <l3m> troy: apt-get -f install 
[08:08] <asimon> us3r: Prabably ... but don't ask me which one
[08:09] <us3r> ok.. :(
[08:09] <alpaxco> ?????????''
[08:11] <houdini> hi there @ all!
[08:11] <alpaxco> hi
[08:13] <troy> l3m: didn't work
[08:13] <troy> l3m: I'll try again later 
[08:14] <martin> Any good tool similar to Sisoft Sandra or Everest available in Adept?
[08:15] <martin> Tools for giving you system information
[08:16] <nalioth> martin: in konsole, type "sudo lshw"
[08:16] <libben> but thats text mode only
[08:17] <libben> he may want a more gui'able one =)
[08:17] <martin> Thanks :D
[08:17] <libben> or he can use | grep cpu and so on
[08:17] <libben> to get just what he wants to know
[08:17] <troy> kinfocenter?
[08:21] <martin> KInfoCenter is nice but I need a tool to give more detailed PnP information e.g the RAM specs in my notebook (PC2700 or PC2100 etc). Any ideas?
[08:21] <binus> what is the default password for webmin
[08:21] <nalioth> martin: sudo lshw
[08:22] <binus> the user is root, but i don't know how to get in :(
[08:22] <troy> martin: lshw should do it, but it's damned ugly :P
[08:23] <martin> sudo lshw gave me the size of the modules installed but not their speed. Gave me a lot of other info though :P
[08:27] <osh> binus: it's nothing. It copies the root password but as that's unset you don't get a passwd for webmin. Copy your own from /etc/shadow
[08:27] <binus> ok
[08:28] <osh> binus: That is probably a bug and I should probably report it. If I can find the energy to register to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:28] <binus> osh: the password is *
[08:29] <binus> root:*:13111:0:99999:7:::
[08:29] <osh> binus: that's the same as "account locked" if I'm not misinformed.
[08:29] <binus> so i can't get in to webmin? :(
[08:29] <binus> can i use another user and password?
[08:29] <osh> binus: sure you can. you just have to hack it a little first.
[08:30] <binus> osh: how to do it?
[08:30] <osh> binus: you found the file where webmin looks for user and password?
[08:30] <binus> yes it's miniserv.users
[08:31] <binus> i found the information here:
[08:31] <binus> userfile=/etc/webmin/miniserv.users
[08:31] <binus> keyfile=/etc/webmin/miniserv.pem
[08:32] <gupta> Any way to convert ta.bz2 package to deb?
[08:32] <osh> binus: That's the one. Then look at /etc/password and replace the * in "root"  with the encrypted password for your regular account and you're good to go.
[08:32] <osh> binus: miniserv.users is the place to loook
[08:32] <nalioth> gupta: nope. thats a source holding archive, i'd imagine
[08:32] <binus> osh, ok just a minute
[08:33] <bettse> How do I set my timezone in kubuntu?
[08:33] <binus> so i just need to add binus:myencryptedpasswordfrometcpassword  in miniserv.users?
[08:33] <gupta> nalioth: it doesn't look like a source archive :http://www.suspend2.net/downloads/
[08:34] <nalioth> gupta: open it and see if it has a README
[08:34] <binus> i mean /etc/shadow
[08:34] <osh> binus: either that or change the root:*: <-- * to yourencryptedpasswordfrometcshadow
[08:34] <gupta> ok 
[08:35] <osh> binus: replace the * is what I mean if that was a bit unclear.
[08:36] <Cagliostro> back
[08:36] <binus> thanks... it's work :) thanks a lot... i want to see my iptables conf & shorewall from here
[08:37] <osh> binus: you're welcome. 
[08:37] <Ojw> If a configuration prorgam being run by dpkg consistantly fails, is there any way to get apt working again, so that it doesn't try to resume configuring the half-installed program each time it starts?
[08:38] <Mitja> I don't get this: if I open # konqueror, I get a panel on the left - tree browser, but if I open it as $, I the panel is not displayed, even F9 won't invoke it.
[08:38] <Cagliostro> l3m are u still here?
[08:39] <nalioth> Mitja: you mean $ = root?
[08:39] <l3m>  Cagliostro yes
[08:39] <Cagliostro> great :D
[08:39] <Cagliostro> i am downloading the livecd
[08:39] <Mitja> nalioth, # root, but  $ as user from desktop
[08:40] <nalioth> Mitja: in a console, type "konqueror --help"
[08:40] <Cagliostro> i am gonna test it soon, but, btw, how to reduce the visual quality
[08:40] <Mitja> nalioth, I did that and stumbled upon various profiles, but to no avail
[08:41] <l3m> Cagliostro: hmm, usually it asks you when you start kde for the first itme
[08:41] <l3m> time
[08:41] <nalioth> Mitja: i'm lost atm
[08:41] <l3m> Cagliostro: i'll check where the setting is in the menu, mom
[08:41] <l3m> Cagliostro: btw do you know "apocalypso" by robert rankin
[08:41] <Cagliostro> uhm no
[08:41] <Cagliostro> what's that :D
[08:42] <l3m> Cagliostro: nevermind, just a book where a char with your name appears ;) 
[08:43] <l3m> hmm it seems the visual settings are not in one place except when first starting ( since they belong into the different categories, window behaviour, sound and so on )
[08:44] <l3m> but anyway, if you have 512 meg you can use all settings and you'll still have tons of ram left
[08:44] <Cagliostro> ah well, that means i can't try with 256meg
[08:45] <Cagliostro> i wanted to try on this computer
[08:45] <l3m> i currently use 35% of my half gig for disk caching ( that is, it's essentially empty just used for optimization since empty ram is no good ;) )
[08:45] <l3m> should work fine with 256 too
[08:45] <SniperDevil> I like my 2 gigs.
[08:45] <Cagliostro> yeah, but swapping? ok let me burn the cd and i try :D
[08:46] <l3m> SniperDevil: unfortunately my ultraportable's ram is quite expensive... ;(
[08:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:46] <SniperDevil> l3m, hmm
[08:47] <binus> what is the module to manage iptables from webmin?
[08:47] <l3m> binus: webmin-firewall
[08:47] <l3m> binus: apt-cache search webmin iptables would have helped you ;)
[08:48] <SniperDevil> I wish my provider offered Ubuntu instead of Debian.
[08:48] <binus> l3m: but when i try to install it from kynaptic it said broken package, and i should fix it.. but when i try to fix it.. it still show error
[08:49] <aftertaf> SniperDevil: whats your provider?
[08:49] <SniperDevil> aftertaf, http://www.dehe.com
[08:49] <l3m> binus: seems to work fine here... paste the error into the pastebin
[08:49] <aftertaf> binus: whats the broken error message?
[08:49] <binus> just a minute
[08:49] <SniperDevil> aftertaf, they're extremely nice and helpful, but they -- well, actually SWSoft -- doesn't offer an Ubuntu template.
[08:50] <SniperDevil> *don't
[08:50] <aftertaf> SniperDevil: oki... a server hosting service. i get ya ;)
[08:50] <SniperDevil> Yeah.
[08:50] <SniperDevil> VPS, actually.
[08:51] <alistair> lk
[08:51] <alistair> can you see my text?
[08:52] <binus> http://pastebin.com/437401
[08:52] <SniperDevil> alistair, no
[08:52] <binus> alistair: no
[08:52] <alistair> thanks sniper ;)
[08:52] <binus> hehe..
[08:52] <alistair> and binus :D
[08:52] <alistair> lol
[08:52] <SniperDevil> Can you see mine?
[08:52] <alistair> oh yes...
[08:52] <alistair> ;)
[08:52] <SniperDevil> Whose is bigger?
[08:52] <alistair> they're the same.
[08:52] <SniperDevil> Ah.
[08:52] <alistair> look m8s,
[08:53] <SniperDevil> Sup homes.
[08:53] <alistair> I can't get xmms or xineui installed..
[08:53] <alistair> i run "sudo apt-get install xine-ui"
[08:53] <SniperDevil> JAh
[08:53] <alistair> and it doesn't work.
[08:53] <alistair> it can't fine it.
[08:53] <binus> l3m & aftertaf : that's the error when i try installing from konsole and i got error either when installing from kynaptic
[08:53] <alistair> *find
[08:53] <aftertaf> looking binus 
[08:53] <SniperDevil> apt-get update?
[08:53] <alistair> i've done that
[08:53] <SniperDevil> What do you mean, it can't "find it"
[08:53] <Mitja> nalioth, solved :)
[08:54] <binus> alistair: yes?
[08:54] <nalioth> Mitja: good
[08:54] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$ sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[08:54] <Mitja> nalioth, /home/mitja was permitted to root only
[08:54] <alistair> Reading package lists... Done
[08:54] <l3m> binus: yes, you have shorewall installed, which conflicts webmin-firewall
[08:54] <alistair> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:54] <alistair> Package xine-ui is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:54] <alistair> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:54] <alistair> is only available from another source
[08:54] <alistair> E: Package xine-ui has no installation candidate
[08:54] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$
[08:54] <l3m> binus: remove shorewall
[08:54] <aftertaf> binus: hmmm 
[08:54] <aftertaf> there you go
[08:54] <binus> ohh :|
[08:54] <Mitja> nalioth, oops, I meant /home/user
[08:55] <alistair> any ideas?
[08:55] <SniperDevil> umm
[08:55] <SniperDevil> alistair, it's not a package itself, but is referred to
[08:55] <SniperDevil> i forget what those are called
[08:55] <SniperDevil> why don't you just install xine?
[08:55] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$ sudo apt-get install xine
[08:56] <alistair> Reading package lists... Done
[08:56] <alistair> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:56] <alistair> E: Couldn't find package xine
[08:56] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$
[08:56] <SniperDevil> hmm, apt-cache search xine
[08:56] <l3m> ok, i'm going hooome.. later guys
[08:56] <alistair> hmm..
[08:56] <SniperDevil> alistair, oh, I see. xine-ui
[08:56] <SniperDevil> it works for me 
[08:56] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$ apt-cache search xine
[08:56] <binus> i already remove shorewall
[08:56] <alistair> amarok-gstreamer - GStreamer engine for the amaroK audio player
[08:56] <alistair> amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[08:56] <alistair> kaffeine-gstreamer - gstreamer engine for kaffeine media player
[08:56] <alistair> kaffeine - versatile media player for KDE 3
[08:56] <alistair> libxinerama1 - X11 Xinerama extension library
[08:56] <alistair> libxine1c2 - the xine video/media player library, binary files
[08:56] <alistair> alistair@fish:~$
[08:56] <SniperDevil> don't paste everything!
[08:56] <alistair> so..
[08:56] <alistair> sry.
[08:56] <SniperDevil> oh, yours isn't as long
[08:56] <SniperDevil> :P
[08:57] <SniperDevil> umm, xine might be in multi/universe
[08:57] <binus> but still i can't install webmin-firewall :( doh!
[08:57] <alistair> should i do sudo apt-get install libxine1c2?
[08:57] <SniperDevil> no
[08:57] <suarsi> hi!
[08:57] <SniperDevil> deb http://mirrors.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu breezy multiverse and deb http://mirrors.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu breezy universe
[08:57] <SniperDevil> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <binus> SniperDevil: is that for me?
[08:58] <SniperDevil> binus, no
[08:58] <SniperDevil> for alistair 
[08:58] <SniperDevil> sorry for not being clearer
[08:58] <binus> SniperDevil: no problem..
[08:58] <alistair> Sniper: I can't access the url..
[08:58] <SniperDevil> huh?
[08:58] <alistair> ohh...  ur saying to add those urls to my source list?
[08:58] <SniperDevil> yes...
[08:58] <alistair> k
[08:58] <SniperDevil> SniperDevil in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <alistair> k
[08:59] <alistair> brb
[08:59] <binus> :( i already did apt-get remove webmin-shorewall but i still got shorewall: Conflicts: webmin-firewall but 1.160-2 is to be installed. How to fix it?
[09:02] <suarsi> kubuntu-es
[09:02] <suarsi> sorry
[09:03] <andreas__> seems 3.5.0 is out
[09:03] <andreas__> :o
[09:03] <alistair> I need to change permissions on my list folder to modify it
[09:04] <alistair> whats the chmod for writable?
[09:04] <alistair> sudo chmod /etc/sources.lst xxx?
[09:04] <nalioth> suarsi: no no no
[09:04] <nalioth> suarsi: use "kdesu kate /etc/sources.list"
[09:04] <nalioth> alistair: dont do it
[09:05] <nalioth> sorry suarsi 
[09:05] <suarsi> nalioth, sorry?? 
[09:05] <nalioth> alistair: do NOT change perms on the sources.list
[09:05] <alistair> ok
[09:05] <suarsi> jajaja don't worry, be happy
[09:05] <nalioth> suarsi: my eye-tab coordination is not good today
[09:05] <Mitja> Does anyone know where Winamp keeps its presets?
[09:06] <suarsi> xD
[09:06] <alistair> nalioth:  that deleted my sources file!
[09:06] <nalioth> alistair: it did not
[09:07] <alistair> it opened kate with a blank document..
[09:07] <nalioth> alistair: i was in such a hurry to keep you from changing the perms, i miswrote
[09:07] <alistair> hmm... 
[09:07] <nalioth> alistair: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:07] <nalioth> alistair: if the file is not in your home directory, do NOT change anything about it arbitrarily
[09:07] <alistair> k, thanks
[09:08] <alistair> then i should just add "deb http://mirrors.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu breezy multiverse and deb http://mirrors.acm.jhu.edu/ubuntu breezy universe"
[09:08] <alistair> to the end of the file?
[09:10] <alistair> :|
[09:10] <alistair> ok, its done.  i backed up my original file if it screws it up :)
[09:11] <nalioth> alistair: good job
[09:12] <suarsi> someone have problems with the  knetworkconf like me? I can't configure my netcard :S 
[09:12] <alistair> hmm...
[09:12] <alistair> its still not working.
[09:12] <alistair> can someone send me the contents of their working sources.list please?
[09:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell alistair about sources
[09:13] <nalioth> alistair: the us repos are down atm
[09:13] <nalioth> alistair: did you update your apt/adept after the sources.list change?
[09:13] <alistair> ohh..
[09:14] <alistair> no.
[09:19] <alistair> when will the US repositories be functional again?
[09:20] <nalioth> alistair: just use "archive.ubuntu.com"
[09:20] <nalioth> howdy professor
[09:21] <alistair> nalioth: as a source?
[09:22] <Mitja> Why can't I change permission to /media/partition with chown logged in as root?
[09:22] <nalioth> alistair: in your sources.list, remove the us. and just leave it "archive.ubuntu.com/blah"
[09:22] <Mitja> I tried chown -R 777 user:user /media/part
[09:22] <nalioth> Mitja: because its NOT a chown problem
[09:23] <Mitja> nalioth, oh? please elaborate
[09:23] <nalioth> Mitja: be very careful with chown and superuser powers, you can botch up your box to the point of unusability
[09:23] <nalioth> Mitja: it's a perms issue in your fstab
[09:24] <Mitja> nalioth, is it possible to change it in console?
[09:24] <nalioth> Mitja: it is.
[09:24] <Mitja> chmod didn't seem to do it right
[09:24] <nalioth> Mitja: no. and i hope you haven't damaged your sytsem
[09:24] <Almindor> why is mozilla package broken
[09:24] <Mitja> nalioth, don't worry about that
[09:24] <nalioth> Mitja: "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[09:24] <Almindor> Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:24] <Almindor>            Depends: mozilla-mailnews (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[09:24] <Almindor>            Depends: mozilla-psm (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:25] <nalioth> alistair: are you using non ubuntu pkgs?
[09:26] <Almindor> this is IMHO a big bug and it's there for some time
[09:27] <Mitja> nalioth, is there a direct command?
[09:27] <Mitja> to alter a specific dir?
[09:27] <alistair> i'm using kubuntu...  I want xine-ui, so i removed the "us' from us.archive.ubuntu or whatever,
[09:27] <alistair> and it still doesn't find xine, or xmms, or anything...
[09:27] <nalioth> Mitja: no. you need to edit your perms correctly in your fstab
[09:28] <alistair> :'(
[09:28] <Mitja> nalioth, thx, appreciate it
[09:28] <kkathman> alistair: you have something odd with your repos then
[09:28] <kkathman> !info xine-ui
[09:28] <tapanim> good evening
[09:28] <ubotu> xine-ui: (the xine video player, user interface), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.99.3-1ubuntu5 (breezy), Packaged size: 1680 kB, Installed size: 3416 kB
[09:28] <tapanim> how to remove zombies?
[09:29] <nalioth> alistair: are you using universe and multiverse repos?
[09:29] <kkathman> alistair: make sure you have universe enabled
[09:29] <nalioth> tapanim: i hope you have no zombies
[09:29] <tapanim> but i have 2
[09:29] <kkathman> oops sorry nalioth didnt know you were helping :)
[09:30] <alistair> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:30] <alistair> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[09:30] <nalioth> alistair: those are not it
[09:30] <nalioth> ubotu: tell alistair about repos
[09:31] <nalioth> and alistair please read the /topic and dont paste in here
[09:31] <alistair> sorry
[09:31] <alistair> i'm using us.archive.ubuntu.com  ( i've tried just archive.ubuntu.com)..  and-
[09:32] <nalioth> alistair: ubotu sent you some info on editing your sources.list
[09:32] <alistair> thanks, i'll give it a try :)
[09:33] <tapanim> what i can do for those zombies?
[09:34] <_tom> l
[09:35] <_charles_> hi
[09:36] <alistair> i'm using adept packet manager though
[09:37] <alistair> ohh, nevermind.
[09:37] <alistair> i'll try and figure this out and i'll come back if i'm stuck
[09:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell alistair about sources
[09:38] <Cagliostro> does anyone use graveman here?
[09:38] <nalioth> alistair: you can use the breezy sources.list from that factoid
[09:38] <alistair> k
[09:39] <tapanim> nalioth: do u have experience about zombies?
[09:39] <nalioth> tapanim: on what system(s) ?
[09:40] <tapanim> kubuntu
[09:41] <nalioth> tapanim: how do you know you have a zombie? 
[09:41] <l3m> it wants to ...eat braiiinz 
[09:41] <tapanim> when i write in konsole "top" that tells me that i have 2
[09:41] <l3m> mua
[09:41] <nalioth> tapanim: ah "zombie processes"
[09:42] <nalioth> tapanim: nothing to worry about
[09:42] <tapanim> how to remove those
[09:42] <tapanim> sorry about bad language
[09:43] <nalioth> tapanim: those 'zombie' processes are part of your system
[09:45] <tapanim> nothing to do those?
[09:45] <nalioth> tapanim: those zombies are fine. they are doing their job
[09:53] <alistair> haha, the day is mine ;)
[09:53] <alistair> i had to remove the media player that came with kubuntu, but xine is installing :D
[09:56] <alistair> thanks nalioth and sniper, you've been a huge help :)
[10:03] <mossy> how do i remove kdm and use xdm?
[10:04] <mossy> ?
[10:05] <mossy> how do i remove kdm and use xdm?
[10:05] <mossy> ?
[10:05] <osh> mossy: why would you want to do that?
[10:06] <mossy> because i like xdm
[10:06] <Cagliostro> is there any way to make a canonscan work with xsane?
[10:07] <nalioth> mossy: install kdm first
[10:07] <nalioth> mossy: when it is installing, it will ask you which one you want to use
[10:07] <mossy> i selected xdn
[10:07] <mossy> xdm*
[10:07] <nalioth> mossy: "sudo apt-get install kdm"
[10:07] <mossy> i dont want kdm
[10:08] <nalioth> then install xdm and follow the steps
[10:08] <mossy> i did apt-get remove kdm, apt-get xdm, selected xdm as display manager
[10:09] <mossy> no luck :(
[10:09] <osh> mossy: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[10:09] <osh> mossy: that's probably the file you want.
[10:09] <mossy> /usr/bin/X11/xdm
[10:09] <mossy> is what it says
[10:09] <mossy> i just get brought to shell, and have to type startx
[10:09] <osh> mossy: and you've restarted X?
[10:10] <osh> ok
[10:10] <Soyburg> I would like to format an sd card with fat 32 and have tried fdisk but it fails. any suggestions?
[10:10] <mossy> yes
[10:10] <Soyburg> I have tried qparted but it can't make a new partitiontable either.
[10:11] <mossy> :
[10:11] <mossy> (
[10:11] <osh> mossy: I'm new to ubuntu too so I'm not sure. Let me look some more.
[10:11] <Soyburg> var/log/messages says "Device sdc not ready" and "end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 8"
[10:13] <osh> mossy: sorry, can't look more. baby crying. got to prioritize that.
[10:15] <osh> mossy: it's in etc/X11 somewhere
[10:20] <sorush20> hi everybody.. love you all, kiss kiss kiss, 
[10:20] <sorush20> I think being gay is very miss configured
[10:21] <neoncode> Hey I have flash player for firefox and a while ago I noticed that text was not desplaying in SWF's. I think i fixed it by installing some font. Thing is I messed up the flashplayer so i re-installed it and now the problem it back.... 
[10:24] <carsten> i have a question about adept. why is in adept only scummvm V0.7.1 and not 0.8 ?
[10:31] <osh> carsten: because noone packaged it?
[10:35] <carsten> osh: so it is always better to download the ".deb"s from the offical site i.e. scummvm?
[10:36] <osh> carsten: if it's packaged for ubuntu. if for debian it will "probably" work.
[10:37] <mikerobi> Why do my gtk apps all use their default themes and fonts when i'm running kde?
[10:38] <mikerobi> never mind
[10:38] <osh> mikerobi: look for the option in the control-center.
[10:38] <mikerobi> i though it turned it off, but i just double checkd
[10:40] <carsten> osh: hmm youre right the .deb from the scummvm site does not work
[10:40] <carsten> i need some other packages, he tells me
[10:46] <carsten> i am trying to install scummvm0.8 when i try to install he tells me that i need libflac6. i searched adept and found out that i already habe libflac7. and there is NO libflac6. what should i do?
[10:47] <l3m> carsten: install scummvm using apt-get
[10:48] <l3m> carsten: e.g. sudo apt-get install scummvm beneath-a-steel-sky flight-of-the-amazon-queen ;)
[10:48] <carsten> l3m: but i think that he will install 0.7.1 when i use apt get? how can i tell him that he should install 0.8 ?
[10:49] <l3m> if you use apt-get to install scummvm, you'll install a scummvm version linked against the flac version in kubuntu
[10:49] <ganoosh> how do i loard kernel in grub?
[10:49] <ganoosh> without a bootloader
[10:50] <l3m> carsten: yes, it will install 0.7
[10:50] <l3m> carsten: if you want a more recent version, you'll have to compile scummvm yourself.
[10:53] <carsten> l3m: sound interesting. How do I do that? ./make install ./make configure
[10:58] <apachelogger> hm
[10:58] <apachelogger> what's the name of KDE's runlevel editor?
[10:58] <l3m> ./configure and then make, make install 
[10:59] <l3m> i guess
[10:59] <l3m> ;)
[10:59] <l3m> but why do you need 0.8? 
[10:59] <l3m> do you have a game which doesn't run wiht 0.7? 
[10:59] <l3m> with?
[11:01] <carsten> l3m: yeah gobliiins.
[11:01] <carsten> l3m: additionally scummvm 0.8 is a lot better then 0.7 (there was nearly 1 year in patches in it?)
[11:02] <l3m> carsten: well looks like you'll have to compile...... 
[11:02] <Chousuke> carsten: compiling isn't that bad.
[11:02] <l3m> 0.8 will be in the next kubu release but that is still a few months away... maybe someone will backport, though
[11:02] <l3m> hmm but i wouldn't count on it
[11:03] <Chousuke> Just make sure you don't install it over any managed files
[11:03] <Chousuke> You can use checkinstall or something
[11:03] <frank23> carsten: you can ask for a backport in the backport forum but compiling the newer version is the best way to get it
[11:04] <carsten> okay, i start with downloading the source in my home folder
[11:05] <Chousuke> read the INSTALL files and apt-get any -dev packages needed.
[11:05] <frank23> carsten do a sudo apt-get build-dep scummvm to get the dependancies to compile it
[11:05] <Chousuke> frank23: he wants a newer version
[11:05] <nalioth> ubotu: tell carsten about checkinstall
[11:05] <Chousuke> ah
[11:05] <Chousuke> nm 
[11:05] <Chousuke> that's a good idea.
[11:05] <Chousuke> :D
[11:05] <nalioth> carsten: and please use checkinstall, instead of "make install"
[11:06] <carsten> okay, not so fast pls
[11:06] <yannz> Say, which package has rar in it?
[11:06] <nalioth> yannz: unrar-nonfree
[11:06] <Chousuke> or he can use ./configure --prefix $HOME/bin/appname like I do ;P
[11:06] <yannz> nalioth,okay. which repository is it in?
[11:07] <Chousuke> multiverse
[11:07] <nalioth> Chousuke: i believe that is a little advanced. as long as folks install into /usr/local/  they'll be fine
[11:08] <yannz> I only get the -free variant there.
[11:08] <l3m> ubotu tell yannz about multiverse
[11:08] <frank23> yannz: you can also use  rar
[11:08] <carsten> okay. i tried "sudo apt-get install checkinstall" now he tells me that he wants to install checkinstall and scummvm ?!
[11:09] <Chousuke> nalioth: I guess. I don't have root on the machines I compile and use stuff on, so I kind of have to use --prefix ;P
[11:09] <nalioth> yannz: enable universe and multiverse repos and you'll have thousands of more programs to choose from
[11:09] <yannz> frank23, also in the multiverse, eh?
[11:09] <dareboy> hi
[11:09] <frank23> yannz: yes
[11:09] <nalioth> Chousuke: i understand
[11:09] <yannz> nalioth, i used this line: deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:09] <yannz> am i doing it right?
[11:10] <dareboy> HOW DO I GET LIMEWIRE AND STUFF ON KUBUNTU???
[11:10] <Chousuke> First you deactivate caps lock
[11:10] <nalioth> yannz: nope. find the other lines with 'universe' in them and change it to say "universe multiverse"
[11:10] <dareboy> k
[11:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dareboy about restricted
[11:11] <carsten> he tells me that checkinstall needs installwatch(>0.6), which shouldnt be installed?
[11:11] <dareboy> ubotu wats with this page
[11:11] <ubotu> dareboy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:12] <Chousuke> !ubotu
[11:12] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[11:12] <dareboy> how do u add applications and stuff into the terminal
[11:12] <yannz> nalioth, great! thanks :)
[11:12] <dareboy> !<factoid>
[11:12] <ubotu> dareboy: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:13] <dareboy> when u input stuff into the terminal
[11:13] <carsten> how can I tell apt get install that he shouldnt install scummvm?
[11:13] <dareboy> to get micromedia player and stuff
[11:14] <nalioth> carsten: installwatch is necessary to use checkinstall
[11:15] <dareboy> how can u install 
[11:15] <nalioth> dareboy: if you read the link ubotu sent you, it's all explained
[11:15] <dareboy> k
[11:16] <carsten> nalioth: thanks, but when I "sudo apt-get install checkinstall" he tries to install chinstall AND scummvm?!?
[11:16] <nalioth> carsten: it's trying to complete a prior command
[11:16] <nalioth> carsten: sudo apt-get remove scummvm
[11:17] <carsten> nalioth: thanks!
[11:22] <carsten> okay, i downloaded the bz2 source
[11:24] <apachelogger> I'm really missing a codeine binary :(
[11:24] <frank23> apachelogger: a what?
[11:24] <apachelogger> frank23: you dunno codeine?
[11:25] <frank23> no
[11:25] <apachelogger> hm, one moment
[11:25] <apachelogger> frank23: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17161
[11:25] <apachelogger> the smartest video player ;-)
[11:26] <frank23> I've been happy with kaffeien
[11:26] <apachelogger> frank23: yeah but kaffeine is more a multimedia thing
[11:26] <apachelogger> and since I use amaroK for audio I don't need a mm-thing
[11:27] <frank23> I basically use amarok for music and kaffeine for video
[11:27] <apachelogger> frank23: you should try codeine
[11:27] <apachelogger> even faster
[11:27] <apachelogger> and less stupid stuff
[11:27] <apachelogger> like systray thing etc.
[11:27] <apachelogger> well, just smart ;-)
[11:27] <frank23> ok
[11:28] <apachelogger> and hey, great distro :D
[11:29] <Knowerrors> apachelogger: where do you get "codeine" player?  Didn't find it on any ubu multi/uni, plf repos
[11:30] <apachelogger> Knowerrors: that's what I complained about
[11:30] <apachelogger> maybe because it's using scons for building -> problem at packing
[11:30] <apachelogger> dunno
[11:30] <carsten> okay, using "auto-apt run ./configure" hope that will work
[11:30] <teprrr> hmm, what's going on there in breezy? gpgv doesn't seem to work..
[11:31] <teprrr> can't do apt-get update..
[11:31] <Mitja> How do I save gamma setting for good? It always jumps back to "default" after I restart session or reboot.
[11:32] <apachelogger> Mitja: "apply settings at kde startup" if you set it with the system settings thing
[11:33] <Mitja> apachelogger: couldn't find it there, corrected in konsole
[11:33] <apachelogger> it's in the "screen" options
[11:33] <carsten> "sudo auto-apt run ./configure" command not found ?!
[11:35] <frank23> carsten: tou have to install auto-apt  but I never used that. I don't know what it does
[11:35] <apachelogger> Mitja: it's called "display"
[11:36] <apachelogger> and there is nothing O.o
[11:36] <carsten> frank23: this channel told me to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall to compile scummvm 0.8
[11:36] <Mitja> apachelogger: display? I get ImageMagick: LOGO
[11:37] <apachelogger> Mitja: :/ well actually the option isn't there
[11:37] <apachelogger> for some reason
[11:37] <_nick> ...and kaffeine can write stream into file
[11:37] <frank23> carsten: ok I never used auto-apt...   you can just use  ./configure  instead
[11:37] <Mitja> apachelogger: anyway, where is gamma saved? maybe I can save some file so it will stay that way
[11:38] <frank23> carsten do a sudo apt-get build-dep scummvm to get the dependancies to compile it
[11:38] <apachelogger> Mitja: should be in xorg.conf
[11:38] <apachelogger> like everything ;-)
[11:38] <carsten> nalioth: Looking for C++ compiler... none found! @ sudo auto-apt run ./configure
[11:38] <frank23> carsten: install build-essential
[11:38] <nalioth> carsten: "sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall"
[11:39] <carsten> frank23: they told me that i should use checkinstall or else the apt-get system would be broken
[11:39] <carsten> nalioth:  ok thanks installing build-essential
[11:39] <Tm_T> checkinstall is big gumball
[11:39] <Tm_T> I don't use it
[11:40] <apachelogger> Tm_T: hey mom, sup?
[11:40] <frank23> carsten: I agree  that you should use checkinstall.    run    ./configure  then  make then checkinstall
[11:40] <Tm_T> apachelogger: veery tired, going sleep now
[11:41] <carsten> frank23:  but i understood that i shouldnt just "./configure" but that i should "sudo auto-apt run ./configure"
[11:41] <apachelogger> Tm_T: well, I gonna switch back to home made suse
[11:42] <frank23> carsten:   ok if  sudo auto-apt run ./configure  works fine.    but running  ./configure   instead will not screw up your system in anyway
[11:42] <apachelogger> later
[11:42] <frank23> carsten:  what is important is  running  checkinstall  instead of  make install
[11:43] <nalioth> carsten: no. you only need 'sudo' when you checkinstall
[11:43] <nalioth> carsten: did you read the checkinstall page?
[11:43] <carsten> frank23: thanks. But i am in  REAL configure trouble now i think
[11:44] <carsten> nalioth: oh i see, yeah i read it. sudo was useless youre right
[11:44] <frank23> carsten: what do you mean?
[11:44] <carsten> nalioth: i added it automatically that was a mistake
[11:44] <nalioth> carsten: using sudo where and when it's not necessary is a bad habit to get into
[11:44] <carsten> frank23: he checked a lot and like 90% of the check was like ..no / ..not found
[11:45] <nalioth> carsten: did you type "sudo apt-get build-dep scummvm" ?
[11:45] <Mitja> How many xorg.conf files are there? Can't find any "gamma" in there.
[11:46] <nalioth> Mitja: there is only one.
[11:46] <carsten> nalioth: yeah i will do that, currently i have to install (Plugin support, ogg vorbis, tremor,. flac 1.01,mad, alsa, zlib, libmpeg2,libfluidsynth, nasm and sld-config
[11:47] <frank23> carsten: build-dep should take care of all of that
[11:47] <carsten> oh i am too slow. i overread that. sorry again for all the unessecary questions
[11:48] <Knowerrors> Hey all, what firewall frontend do people use on kubuntu?
[11:48] <frank23> carsten: hehe. no problem
[11:48] <frank23> Knowerrors: I use firestarter
[11:48] <nalioth> Knowerrors: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[11:49] <carsten> arghl. now i need a new sources.list. he hasnt ANY sources.
[11:49] <frank23> carsten: what? did you delete your sources?
[11:50] <frank23> !sources
[11:50] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:50] <Knowerrors> I was going to install Firestarter, but thought its strange that it wants me to install gksu
[11:50] <nalioth> Knowerrors: not at all. it doesnt know you are on kde with kdesu
[11:50] <frank23> Knowerrors: its because firestarter is a gnome app but it works fine in kde too
[11:50] <carsten> frank23: i am noob. i dont know. hopefully not :)
[11:51] <nalioth> carsten: we'll take care of you
[11:52] <Knowerrors> so then after I install firestarter, will I need to change its icon command from gksu to kdesu?
[11:54] <frank23> Knowerrors: no gksu will work fine
[11:57] <Knowerrors> nalioth: thanks for that article link, very interesting
[11:57] <nalioth> Knowerrors: any time
[11:58] <Knowerrors> frank23: strange thing about gksu on kubuntu, I didn't have it installed before, and apt-get'ed BUM and Synaptic, both of which needed gksu, but didn't list it as a dependancy
[11:58] <Knowerrors> I had to manually change the command line for their icons to use kdesu
[11:59] <frank23> Knowerrors: hmm... I never had that problem
[12:01] <Knowerrors> frank23: did you start with kubuntu? or install ubuntu first, maybe you had gksu installed already
[12:02] <frank23> Knowerrors: I think I had ubuntu (hoary) first.... then installed kubuntu (hoary) then upgraded to breezy