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LaserJockwell, it seems nobody has heard from Unfgiven for a couple of weeks12:26
LaserJockI sent him an email but it appears that the Packaging Guide was only in .pdf and .odt format12:26
LaserJockis there a program to convert a .pdf or .odt to docbook? or does that need to be done by hand?12:27
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mdkeLaserJock, openoffice can do it I think12:29
LaserJockok, saved it as docbook .xml12:33
mdkecool12:33
LaserJockhow do I view it?12:33
mdkein yelp?12:34
mdkeor convert it to html using xsltproc or something12:35
LaserJockok converting to html worked, yelp didn't12:38
mdkeyelp will only read it if it is valid docbook xml12:39
LaserJockyeah, that's probably the problem12:39
LaserJockhmm, I ran validate.sh on it and it didn't spite anything out12:40
phin3aso.o12:40
mdkesend it over12:40
LaserJockto where?12:40
mdkemdke@ubuntu.com12:41
phin3asMatt, how does one aspire to become an ubuntu member/developer?12:41
mdkephin3as, how ever you like. whereever you want to contribute, you just do so12:42
mdkephin3as, a good starting point is here:12:42
mdkehttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate12:42
phin3as:) thanks, I've already visited it however. I have a wiki and whatnot now, I'm just wondering considering I don't have any particular skills, where I'd be most effective.12:43
mdkephin3as, documentation is an easy one, if you have writing skills. Otherwise, helping out on the mailing lists and #ubuntu, if you have linux skills, promoting linux to people, etc12:44
phin3asI think promotion and documentation would pay off.12:45
phin3asUntil I get further experitse in other areas.12:45
mdkecool12:45
phin3asYeah.12:48
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LaserJockmdke: did you get my email?01:04
mdkeLaserJock, haven't checked, i'll have to look tomorrow i'm afraid. I haven't got my regular computer with me01:11
LaserJockmdke: ok , no problem01:11
mdkethanks01:15
mdkegood night01:15
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LaserJockgood night01:18
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[cyb3rM4N] hi02:45
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BurgundaviaI need a kubuntu user04:48
phin3asWhat for? :)04:48
Burgundaviathink you could fill in the "In Kubuntu" section under "Enabling graphical root login"?04:48
Burgundaviahmm04:55
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Burgundaviaactually restricted formats is actually pretty sane right now05:03
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bhuvanregarding server guide ..05:49
bhuvani guess we need not repeat the installation section05:49
bhuvani prefer to add assumptions section. let us assume he have referred installation guide and did the installation05:50
bhuvanany thoughts ?05:51
Burgundaviawe should mention how to install a server06:00
Burgundaviathe server option06:00
Burgundaviaand i don't know how UbuntuExpress will affect thigns06:00
bhuvanok06:00
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Burgundaviabon soir, jdub 07:13
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dholbachhellas10:47
dholbachjdub: hey :)10:47
dholbachwho is familiar with the current svn tree and the ubuntu-docs package enough to help me packaging the current version? i already did a bunch of changes, but some parts are still missing10:51
rob1hi10:58
rob1whats the prob?10:58
dholbachsince the 5.10 package a bunch of paths changed10:59
dholbachand things like the faqguide10:59
dholbachthen i'm looking for rosetta tarballs which are expected to be there, but are not10:59
rob1everything is now under its respective distro folder now10:59
dholbachthe only thing i could find was rosetta-quicktour.tar.gz11:00
rob1and the faqguide was renamed "desktopguide"11:00
dholbachbut not in rosetta11:00
rob1the rosetta tarballs may have only been in branch11:00
dholbachi mean, i can't find them on rosetta :)11:01
dholbachthis is the current state of the pcakage, i'm working on11:01
dholbachhttp://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt11:01
rob1oh yeah, sure because the guides were renamed but obviously rosetta hasn't been updated11:01
dholbachthe "first package" is the old one, the "second one" is the new one11:01
dholbachi feel updating the package without translations is not really a good thing11:02
rob1the translations are missing11:03
rob1did you pull them both from branch?11:03
rob1when you made the .debs11:03
dholbachwhat should i have pulled?11:04
rob1the only thing I can think of is its either that or the translations were deleted, however I can't remember seeing it done11:04
rob1for breezy it would be branch11:04
dholbachno, i'm preparing dapper packages11:04
rob1ah11:04
rob1there will be no faq guide in dapper11:04
dholbachso we can test the newest docs there are11:04
dholbachah ok11:05
dholbachso i don't have to worry about that one11:05
rob1it will be called the desktop starter guide instead11:05
dholbachthat's "desktopguide", right?11:05
rob1yes, under ubuntu/desktopguide11:05
dholbachok11:05
rob1there will also be a server guide in /generic but not much work has been done on it yet11:06
dholbach*nod*11:06
rob1as far as I'm aware no one has done updated omf files yet either11:07
dholbachok11:08
dholbachso i better shouldnt do an upload right now?11:08
rob1probably not just yet11:08
dholbachok11:09
rob1I will talk to mdke and we will figure out a time when to do the scrollkeeper stuff11:09
dholbachi will poke at the packaging a bit and give you a patch of the changes that are required in dapper11:09
dholbachthat would be cool11:09
rob1of cause, once thats done you should be able to package whenever you want11:09
rob1ok sounds good11:10
dholbachbrilliant11:10
dholbachthanks for that11:10
rob1np11:10
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mdkedholbach, if you're making a dapper package, you don't need a rosetta tarball because (1) you don't need any translations, and (2) the rosetta tarball shouldn't go in the package anyway02:24
mdketranslations don't happen until right at the end of the release cycle, so only english should be in the package right now02:25
dholbachmdke: hrm - wouldn't it be wise to test those too? (if there are any)02:26
mdkedholbach, no because we don't _start_ translating until after the docs are written, after string freeze02:27
mdkeso there is nothing to test02:27
mdkewe can setup the environment though i suppose02:27
dholbachright02:27
mdkeyou don't need that done for the first upload tho IMO02:27
dholbachok02:27
dholbachmdke: i will have a meeting soon, can you tell me, when you have a bit of time, so we could have a look and see how much is missing in my dapper package?02:28
dholbachi don't want to knowingly upload something with missing files ;)02:28
mdkedholbach, i am free this evening, after about 8 or 9 pm german time...02:28
dholbachthat sounds excellent02:29
dholbach*rejoice*02:29
mdkegood, i'll ping you02:29
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dholbachit's the HUG DAY! :)02:29
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dholbach:)02:30
mdkei love this gnubuntu idea02:30
mdkehopefully something will come of it02:30
dholbachgnubuntu?02:30
mdkea free version of Ubuntu02:30
mdkemark's idea i believe02:30
dholbachah cool02:31
mdkethe idea would be that it get's fsf approval02:31
dholbachi think that debian kicked some asses in the right direction with their picky ideas of non-free-ness, so that's a good thing02:31
mdkeyeah02:32
mdkethe Ubuntu component selection should make it quite easy to do a free version02:32
dholbachjdub: #ubuntu-meeting03:02
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LaserJockmdke: ping ?05:22
mdkeLaserJock, yes06:00
LaserJockmdke: I would like to get that packaging guide on the docteam repo but I'm not sure since I haven't heard from Unfgiven06:03
mdkewell it is gpl'd06:04
LaserJockI guess that is true.06:04
LaserJockby the way, what is the best way to send patches? ubuntu-doc list?06:06
mdkeyeah06:06
mdkeso do you want me to upload the packaging guide?06:06
mdkei've made a few changes to the code, just so that it's more readable06:06
mdkebut i dunno why it doesn't work in yelp06:06
mdkewe should probably give it chapters and such06:07
LaserJockmdke: yeah, go ahead and upload it, I don't think Unfgiven will have a problem with that since that is what we were working on anyway06:07
mdkedone06:09
LaserJockthanks06:10
mdkefeel free to send us patches06:11
LaserJockwill do06:11
mdkei'll have a hack at it too06:13
mdkeLaserJock, useful templates are in trunk/incoming06:13
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LaserJockright now it isn't validating06:17
mdkeeh?06:17
mdkei thought it was06:17
mdkeoh crap06:17
LaserJockpackagingguide.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity 06:17
mdkecrap sorry, fixed now06:18
dholbachmdke: how are you?06:19
mdkedholbach, good thanks, why??06:19
dholbachjust so :)06:19
LaserJockmdke: should the packaging guide use <book> instead of <article>?06:50
mdkei guess that might help06:52
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mdkedholbach, here i am, is now a good time?09:02
dholbachhellas :)09:02
dholbachperfect09:03
dholbachif it suits *YOU*09:03
mdkeheh09:03
mdkeyou're so polite09:03
mdkelet's go09:03
dholbachhttp://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt - is a debdiff of the packages (1 is the breezy package - 2 the current status of the dapper package (which is, of course, not uploaded yet))09:03
dholbachthe debdiff tells us about some missing packages09:03
mdkeokay09:04
dholbachi tried to figure some stuff out myself and changed debian/install already (you volunteered last time, now i did it last night, when i coudltn sleep)09:04
mdkeyou wanna upload your current package to svn?09:04
dholbachi will give back the patch, once it makes more sense ;)09:04
dholbachnononono, it's too broken still ;)09:04
dholbachonce the package makes sense, i'm happy to09:05
mdkedholbach, you can break trunk09:05
dholbachlet me just break dapper :)09:05
mdkedon't upload it to the breezy branch obviously, but put it in trunk, that way I can see what's going on09:05
dholbachi noticed that you need to register some rosetta products09:06
dholbach(which are expected from some shell scripts already)09:06
mdkedholbach, but you shouldn't be using any of those, as I explained, translations are not for now09:06
dholbachi need to clean up my buildtree - the clean target of the package is ... erm ... broken09:06
dholbachok09:07
mdkeyou can remove anything relating to rosetta09:07
dholbachjust as heads-up09:07
dholbachcan you tell me, what i obviously missed (from the debdiff)?09:07
mdkei can see some things i think09:07
dholbachbut you need the patch?09:07
mdkeno, that's ok09:07
mdkethere shouldn't be a "generic" folder now09:08
dholbachin the package or where?09:08
mdkealso, there is no need to put in the quicktour.xml, the document is broken09:08
dholbachok09:08
dholbachwill chuck it out09:09
mdkedholbach, basically the things which say: /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide should be /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide09:09
dholbach*making notes09:09
mdkehmm it is pretty difficult to see what's going on09:10
dholbachok09:10
mdkeyou sure you can't upload your changes to svn?09:10
mdkedon't forget, breaking things is not a problem09:10
dholbachpbuilder is working again, this will give me the chance to have the buildtree cleaner and give you the diff asap09:10
mdkewe have the safe version in the breezy branch09:10
dholbachyeah, but i prefer, you breaking svn :)09:11
LaserJockmdke: quick question does <para/> mean anything?09:11
mdkeLaserJock, don't think so09:11
mdkedholbach, no problem09:11
mdkedholbach, you know anything about omf?09:11
dholbachnot much09:11
mdkewe should grab jbailey09:12
dholbachi can look things about the buildsystem up in other packages though09:12
mdkei don't know what we have to do to make the faqguide->desktopguide change work09:12
mdkei presume /usr/share/omf/faqguide/desktopguide-C.omf should be renamed09:13
mdkebut I don't know if we need to change any other packages09:13
dholbachi will investigate in it09:13
dholbach*making further notes*09:13
mdkejbailey can tell us09:13
mdkelet's see if he is around?09:13
dholbachit's good to hear what belongs where :)09:14
mdkedholbach, ok good so that is fine09:22
dholbachexcellent09:22
mdkelet's get this in trunk asap and you can tell me how to build and test the package :D09:23
dholbachsuper09:23
mdkewhen did you want to upload it?09:23
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mdkehi there Burgwork 09:24
dholbachi think we can take our time... i'm just happy once we have something to look at... so i'll put some time in cleaning up the patch later and tomorrow09:25
Burgworksalut mdke 09:25
mdkedholbach, cool, i'm happy to look at it this evening or tomorrow evening09:25
mdkeBurgwork, hiya, how's it going? you pinged the other day?09:25
dholbachrock09:25
dholbachthanks a lot, mdke 09:25
dholbachi'm very happy how responsive and good-to-work-with you all are09:26
mdkedholbach, can you upload just the "install" file? I can take a look at that and check the paths09:26
dholbachyeah, sure09:26
Burgworkmdke, likely, but I don't remember what for09:27
dholbachmdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/install09:28
mdkei'll upload it shall i?09:28
dholbachyeah, if you want to09:29
mdkedone09:29
mdke:)09:29
mdkeok let's have a look09:29
mdkedholbach, can I take out all the translations?09:30
mdkeor shall we leave them in?09:30
dholbachyou should decide that - if the paths will stay the same, we can as well leave them in09:31
dholbachthey won't break the build09:31
dholbachor we can chuck them out, as you like09:31
mdkeit might be simpler to sort things out to get rid of them09:32
mdkeis there a way of commenting in that file?09:32
dholbachjust drop them09:33
dholbachi can always debdiff with the old version09:33
mdkeyes, it is fairly obvious what to do, because we just copy what there is for "C"09:33
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dholbachyeah09:34
mdkeok lemme check the omf files09:34
mdkedholbach, ok i've nuked the install file of translations, and updated the omf files. I've committed to svn09:37
dholbachexcellent09:37
dholbachi will do some other stuff for now and poke at it later09:37
dholbachthanks a lot for explaining09:37
mdkethat's alright. i am learning too09:38
dholbachthanks anyway :-p09:38
mdkenp09:41
mdkeupload the rest of your stuff whenever you can and we can test it :)09:42
dholbachyeah09:44
mdkedholbach, btw did you change this line in "rules":09:47
mdkeDEB_SRCDIR = gnome09:47
dholbachyes09:47
mdkerock09:47
dholbachand some others09:47
dholbachelse i wouldnt have got very far :)09:47
mdkeoh which others?09:47
dholbachok... i do it now ;)09:48
mdkeeverything else there looks fine, except the SRCDIR09:48
dholbachwhat about the makefile in the generic dir?09:48
mdkenot needed yet09:49
dholbachok09:49
mdkethe makefile is only needed for html docs, and the only doc we ship in html is about-ubuntu09:49
mdkeeverything else goes in xml, so no Makefile needed09:49
dholbachi will put the patch online and you can have alook - just bear in mind: it was 5-7 in the morning, when i did this ;)09:51
mdkewe need to change some things in "control" too, unless you've done that already09:51
Burgworkjdub, link for the fridge: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/0,39023100,39237495,00.htm09:51
mdkecool09:51
dholbachi did :)09:51
dholbachno... i changed just stupid stuff in debian/control, nevermind me09:54
dholbachhttp://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/build.patch09:55
dholbachhandle with care :)09:56
dholbachi will call it the day for today10:03
dholbachgood night :)10:05
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Burgworkbloody machine powercycled at work10:32
Burgworkwhich left 3 of us not able to work10:32
mdke:)10:32
Burgworkbloody multihead10:32
mdkeheya rob1 10:59
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