| LaserJock | well, it seems nobody has heard from Unfgiven for a couple of weeks | 12:26 |
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| LaserJock | I sent him an email but it appears that the Packaging Guide was only in .pdf and .odt format | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | is there a program to convert a .pdf or .odt to docbook? or does that need to be done by hand? | 12:27 |
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| mdke | LaserJock, openoffice can do it I think | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | ok, saved it as docbook .xml | 12:33 |
| mdke | cool | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | how do I view it? | 12:33 |
| mdke | in yelp? | 12:34 |
| mdke | or convert it to html using xsltproc or something | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | ok converting to html worked, yelp didn't | 12:38 |
| mdke | yelp will only read it if it is valid docbook xml | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's probably the problem | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I ran validate.sh on it and it didn't spite anything out | 12:40 |
| phin3as | o.o | 12:40 |
| mdke | send it over | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | to where? | 12:40 |
| mdke | mdke@ubuntu.com | 12:41 |
| phin3as | Matt, how does one aspire to become an ubuntu member/developer? | 12:41 |
| mdke | phin3as, how ever you like. whereever you want to contribute, you just do so | 12:42 |
| mdke | phin3as, a good starting point is here: | 12:42 |
| mdke | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate | 12:42 |
| phin3as | :) thanks, I've already visited it however. I have a wiki and whatnot now, I'm just wondering considering I don't have any particular skills, where I'd be most effective. | 12:43 |
| mdke | phin3as, documentation is an easy one, if you have writing skills. Otherwise, helping out on the mailing lists and #ubuntu, if you have linux skills, promoting linux to people, etc | 12:44 |
| phin3as | I think promotion and documentation would pay off. | 12:45 |
| phin3as | Until I get further experitse in other areas. | 12:45 |
| mdke | cool | 12:45 |
| phin3as | Yeah. | 12:48 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: did you get my email? | 01:04 |
| mdke | LaserJock, haven't checked, i'll have to look tomorrow i'm afraid. I haven't got my regular computer with me | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok , no problem | 01:11 |
| mdke | thanks | 01:15 |
| mdke | good night | 01:15 |
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| LaserJock | good night | 01:18 |
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| [cyb3rM4N] | hi | 02:45 |
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| Burgundavia | I need a kubuntu user | 04:48 |
| phin3as | What for? :) | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | think you could fill in the "In Kubuntu" section under "Enabling graphical root login"? | 04:48 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 04:55 |
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| Burgundavia | actually restricted formats is actually pretty sane right now | 05:03 |
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| bhuvan | regarding server guide .. | 05:49 |
| bhuvan | i guess we need not repeat the installation section | 05:49 |
| bhuvan | i prefer to add assumptions section. let us assume he have referred installation guide and did the installation | 05:50 |
| bhuvan | any thoughts ? | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | we should mention how to install a server | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | the server option | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | and i don't know how UbuntuExpress will affect thigns | 06:00 |
| bhuvan | ok | 06:00 |
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| Burgundavia | bon soir, jdub | 07:13 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 10:47 |
| dholbach | jdub: hey :) | 10:47 |
| dholbach | who is familiar with the current svn tree and the ubuntu-docs package enough to help me packaging the current version? i already did a bunch of changes, but some parts are still missing | 10:51 |
| rob1 | hi | 10:58 |
| rob1 | whats the prob? | 10:58 |
| dholbach | since the 5.10 package a bunch of paths changed | 10:59 |
| dholbach | and things like the faqguide | 10:59 |
| dholbach | then i'm looking for rosetta tarballs which are expected to be there, but are not | 10:59 |
| rob1 | everything is now under its respective distro folder now | 10:59 |
| dholbach | the only thing i could find was rosetta-quicktour.tar.gz | 11:00 |
| rob1 | and the faqguide was renamed "desktopguide" | 11:00 |
| dholbach | but not in rosetta | 11:00 |
| rob1 | the rosetta tarballs may have only been in branch | 11:00 |
| dholbach | i mean, i can't find them on rosetta :) | 11:01 |
| dholbach | this is the current state of the pcakage, i'm working on | 11:01 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt | 11:01 |
| rob1 | oh yeah, sure because the guides were renamed but obviously rosetta hasn't been updated | 11:01 |
| dholbach | the "first package" is the old one, the "second one" is the new one | 11:01 |
| dholbach | i feel updating the package without translations is not really a good thing | 11:02 |
| rob1 | the translations are missing | 11:03 |
| rob1 | did you pull them both from branch? | 11:03 |
| rob1 | when you made the .debs | 11:03 |
| dholbach | what should i have pulled? | 11:04 |
| rob1 | the only thing I can think of is its either that or the translations were deleted, however I can't remember seeing it done | 11:04 |
| rob1 | for breezy it would be branch | 11:04 |
| dholbach | no, i'm preparing dapper packages | 11:04 |
| rob1 | ah | 11:04 |
| rob1 | there will be no faq guide in dapper | 11:04 |
| dholbach | so we can test the newest docs there are | 11:04 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 11:05 |
| dholbach | so i don't have to worry about that one | 11:05 |
| rob1 | it will be called the desktop starter guide instead | 11:05 |
| dholbach | that's "desktopguide", right? | 11:05 |
| rob1 | yes, under ubuntu/desktopguide | 11:05 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:05 |
| rob1 | there will also be a server guide in /generic but not much work has been done on it yet | 11:06 |
| dholbach | *nod* | 11:06 |
| rob1 | as far as I'm aware no one has done updated omf files yet either | 11:07 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:08 |
| dholbach | so i better shouldnt do an upload right now? | 11:08 |
| rob1 | probably not just yet | 11:08 |
| dholbach | ok | 11:09 |
| rob1 | I will talk to mdke and we will figure out a time when to do the scrollkeeper stuff | 11:09 |
| dholbach | i will poke at the packaging a bit and give you a patch of the changes that are required in dapper | 11:09 |
| dholbach | that would be cool | 11:09 |
| rob1 | of cause, once thats done you should be able to package whenever you want | 11:09 |
| rob1 | ok sounds good | 11:10 |
| dholbach | brilliant | 11:10 |
| dholbach | thanks for that | 11:10 |
| rob1 | np | 11:10 |
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| mdke | dholbach, if you're making a dapper package, you don't need a rosetta tarball because (1) you don't need any translations, and (2) the rosetta tarball shouldn't go in the package anyway | 02:24 |
| mdke | translations don't happen until right at the end of the release cycle, so only english should be in the package right now | 02:25 |
| dholbach | mdke: hrm - wouldn't it be wise to test those too? (if there are any) | 02:26 |
| mdke | dholbach, no because we don't _start_ translating until after the docs are written, after string freeze | 02:27 |
| mdke | so there is nothing to test | 02:27 |
| mdke | we can setup the environment though i suppose | 02:27 |
| dholbach | right | 02:27 |
| mdke | you don't need that done for the first upload tho IMO | 02:27 |
| dholbach | ok | 02:27 |
| dholbach | mdke: i will have a meeting soon, can you tell me, when you have a bit of time, so we could have a look and see how much is missing in my dapper package? | 02:28 |
| dholbach | i don't want to knowingly upload something with missing files ;) | 02:28 |
| mdke | dholbach, i am free this evening, after about 8 or 9 pm german time... | 02:28 |
| dholbach | that sounds excellent | 02:29 |
| dholbach | *rejoice* | 02:29 |
| mdke | good, i'll ping you | 02:29 |
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| dholbach | it's the HUG DAY! :) | 02:29 |
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| dholbach | :) | 02:30 |
| mdke | i love this gnubuntu idea | 02:30 |
| mdke | hopefully something will come of it | 02:30 |
| dholbach | gnubuntu? | 02:30 |
| mdke | a free version of Ubuntu | 02:30 |
| mdke | mark's idea i believe | 02:30 |
| dholbach | ah cool | 02:31 |
| mdke | the idea would be that it get's fsf approval | 02:31 |
| dholbach | i think that debian kicked some asses in the right direction with their picky ideas of non-free-ness, so that's a good thing | 02:31 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:32 |
| mdke | the Ubuntu component selection should make it quite easy to do a free version | 02:32 |
| dholbach | jdub: #ubuntu-meeting | 03:02 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: ping ? | 05:22 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yes | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I would like to get that packaging guide on the docteam repo but I'm not sure since I haven't heard from Unfgiven | 06:03 |
| mdke | well it is gpl'd | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | I guess that is true. | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | by the way, what is the best way to send patches? ubuntu-doc list? | 06:06 |
| mdke | yeah | 06:06 |
| mdke | so do you want me to upload the packaging guide? | 06:06 |
| mdke | i've made a few changes to the code, just so that it's more readable | 06:06 |
| mdke | but i dunno why it doesn't work in yelp | 06:06 |
| mdke | we should probably give it chapters and such | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yeah, go ahead and upload it, I don't think Unfgiven will have a problem with that since that is what we were working on anyway | 06:07 |
| mdke | done | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 06:10 |
| mdke | feel free to send us patches | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | will do | 06:11 |
| mdke | i'll have a hack at it too | 06:13 |
| mdke | LaserJock, useful templates are in trunk/incoming | 06:13 |
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| LaserJock | right now it isn't validating | 06:17 |
| mdke | eh? | 06:17 |
| mdke | i thought it was | 06:17 |
| mdke | oh crap | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | packagingguide.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity | 06:17 |
| mdke | crap sorry, fixed now | 06:18 |
| dholbach | mdke: how are you? | 06:19 |
| mdke | dholbach, good thanks, why?? | 06:19 |
| dholbach | just so :) | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | mdke: should the packaging guide use <book> instead of <article>? | 06:50 |
| mdke | i guess that might help | 06:52 |
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| mdke | dholbach, here i am, is now a good time? | 09:02 |
| dholbach | hellas :) | 09:02 |
| dholbach | perfect | 09:03 |
| dholbach | if it suits *YOU* | 09:03 |
| mdke | heh | 09:03 |
| mdke | you're so polite | 09:03 |
| mdke | let's go | 09:03 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt - is a debdiff of the packages (1 is the breezy package - 2 the current status of the dapper package (which is, of course, not uploaded yet)) | 09:03 |
| dholbach | the debdiff tells us about some missing packages | 09:03 |
| mdke | okay | 09:04 |
| dholbach | i tried to figure some stuff out myself and changed debian/install already (you volunteered last time, now i did it last night, when i coudltn sleep) | 09:04 |
| mdke | you wanna upload your current package to svn? | 09:04 |
| dholbach | i will give back the patch, once it makes more sense ;) | 09:04 |
| dholbach | nononono, it's too broken still ;) | 09:04 |
| dholbach | once the package makes sense, i'm happy to | 09:05 |
| mdke | dholbach, you can break trunk | 09:05 |
| dholbach | let me just break dapper :) | 09:05 |
| mdke | don't upload it to the breezy branch obviously, but put it in trunk, that way I can see what's going on | 09:05 |
| dholbach | i noticed that you need to register some rosetta products | 09:06 |
| dholbach | (which are expected from some shell scripts already) | 09:06 |
| mdke | dholbach, but you shouldn't be using any of those, as I explained, translations are not for now | 09:06 |
| dholbach | i need to clean up my buildtree - the clean target of the package is ... erm ... broken | 09:06 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:07 |
| mdke | you can remove anything relating to rosetta | 09:07 |
| dholbach | just as heads-up | 09:07 |
| dholbach | can you tell me, what i obviously missed (from the debdiff)? | 09:07 |
| mdke | i can see some things i think | 09:07 |
| dholbach | but you need the patch? | 09:07 |
| mdke | no, that's ok | 09:07 |
| mdke | there shouldn't be a "generic" folder now | 09:08 |
| dholbach | in the package or where? | 09:08 |
| mdke | also, there is no need to put in the quicktour.xml, the document is broken | 09:08 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:08 |
| dholbach | will chuck it out | 09:09 |
| mdke | dholbach, basically the things which say: /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide should be /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide | 09:09 |
| dholbach | *making notes | 09:09 |
| mdke | hmm it is pretty difficult to see what's going on | 09:10 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:10 |
| mdke | you sure you can't upload your changes to svn? | 09:10 |
| mdke | don't forget, breaking things is not a problem | 09:10 |
| dholbach | pbuilder is working again, this will give me the chance to have the buildtree cleaner and give you the diff asap | 09:10 |
| mdke | we have the safe version in the breezy branch | 09:10 |
| dholbach | yeah, but i prefer, you breaking svn :) | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | mdke: quick question does <para/> mean anything? | 09:11 |
| mdke | LaserJock, don't think so | 09:11 |
| mdke | dholbach, no problem | 09:11 |
| mdke | dholbach, you know anything about omf? | 09:11 |
| dholbach | not much | 09:11 |
| mdke | we should grab jbailey | 09:12 |
| dholbach | i can look things about the buildsystem up in other packages though | 09:12 |
| mdke | i don't know what we have to do to make the faqguide->desktopguide change work | 09:12 |
| mdke | i presume /usr/share/omf/faqguide/desktopguide-C.omf should be renamed | 09:13 |
| mdke | but I don't know if we need to change any other packages | 09:13 |
| dholbach | i will investigate in it | 09:13 |
| dholbach | *making further notes* | 09:13 |
| mdke | jbailey can tell us | 09:13 |
| mdke | let's see if he is around? | 09:13 |
| dholbach | it's good to hear what belongs where :) | 09:14 |
| mdke | dholbach, ok good so that is fine | 09:22 |
| dholbach | excellent | 09:22 |
| mdke | let's get this in trunk asap and you can tell me how to build and test the package :D | 09:23 |
| dholbach | super | 09:23 |
| mdke | when did you want to upload it? | 09:23 |
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| mdke | hi there Burgwork | 09:24 |
| dholbach | i think we can take our time... i'm just happy once we have something to look at... so i'll put some time in cleaning up the patch later and tomorrow | 09:25 |
| Burgwork | salut mdke | 09:25 |
| mdke | dholbach, cool, i'm happy to look at it this evening or tomorrow evening | 09:25 |
| mdke | Burgwork, hiya, how's it going? you pinged the other day? | 09:25 |
| dholbach | rock | 09:25 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot, mdke | 09:25 |
| dholbach | i'm very happy how responsive and good-to-work-with you all are | 09:26 |
| mdke | dholbach, can you upload just the "install" file? I can take a look at that and check the paths | 09:26 |
| dholbach | yeah, sure | 09:26 |
| Burgwork | mdke, likely, but I don't remember what for | 09:27 |
| dholbach | mdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/install | 09:28 |
| mdke | i'll upload it shall i? | 09:28 |
| dholbach | yeah, if you want to | 09:29 |
| mdke | done | 09:29 |
| mdke | :) | 09:29 |
| mdke | ok let's have a look | 09:29 |
| mdke | dholbach, can I take out all the translations? | 09:30 |
| mdke | or shall we leave them in? | 09:30 |
| dholbach | you should decide that - if the paths will stay the same, we can as well leave them in | 09:31 |
| dholbach | they won't break the build | 09:31 |
| dholbach | or we can chuck them out, as you like | 09:31 |
| mdke | it might be simpler to sort things out to get rid of them | 09:32 |
| mdke | is there a way of commenting in that file? | 09:32 |
| dholbach | just drop them | 09:33 |
| dholbach | i can always debdiff with the old version | 09:33 |
| mdke | yes, it is fairly obvious what to do, because we just copy what there is for "C" | 09:33 |
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| dholbach | yeah | 09:34 |
| mdke | ok lemme check the omf files | 09:34 |
| mdke | dholbach, ok i've nuked the install file of translations, and updated the omf files. I've committed to svn | 09:37 |
| dholbach | excellent | 09:37 |
| dholbach | i will do some other stuff for now and poke at it later | 09:37 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot for explaining | 09:37 |
| mdke | that's alright. i am learning too | 09:38 |
| dholbach | thanks anyway :-p | 09:38 |
| mdke | np | 09:41 |
| mdke | upload the rest of your stuff whenever you can and we can test it :) | 09:42 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:44 |
| mdke | dholbach, btw did you change this line in "rules": | 09:47 |
| mdke | DEB_SRCDIR = gnome | 09:47 |
| dholbach | yes | 09:47 |
| mdke | rock | 09:47 |
| dholbach | and some others | 09:47 |
| dholbach | else i wouldnt have got very far :) | 09:47 |
| mdke | oh which others? | 09:47 |
| dholbach | ok... i do it now ;) | 09:48 |
| mdke | everything else there looks fine, except the SRCDIR | 09:48 |
| dholbach | what about the makefile in the generic dir? | 09:48 |
| mdke | not needed yet | 09:49 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:49 |
| mdke | the makefile is only needed for html docs, and the only doc we ship in html is about-ubuntu | 09:49 |
| mdke | everything else goes in xml, so no Makefile needed | 09:49 |
| dholbach | i will put the patch online and you can have alook - just bear in mind: it was 5-7 in the morning, when i did this ;) | 09:51 |
| mdke | we need to change some things in "control" too, unless you've done that already | 09:51 |
| Burgwork | jdub, link for the fridge: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/0,39023100,39237495,00.htm | 09:51 |
| mdke | cool | 09:51 |
| dholbach | i did :) | 09:51 |
| dholbach | no... i changed just stupid stuff in debian/control, nevermind me | 09:54 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/build.patch | 09:55 |
| dholbach | handle with care :) | 09:56 |
| dholbach | i will call it the day for today | 10:03 |
| dholbach | good night :) | 10:05 |
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| Burgwork | bloody machine powercycled at work | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | which left 3 of us not able to work | 10:32 |
| mdke | :) | 10:32 |
| Burgwork | bloody multihead | 10:32 |
| mdke | heya rob1 | 10:59 |
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