[12:26] well, it seems nobody has heard from Unfgiven for a couple of weeks [12:26] I sent him an email but it appears that the Packaging Guide was only in .pdf and .odt format [12:27] is there a program to convert a .pdf or .odt to docbook? or does that need to be done by hand? === phin3as [n=phineas@212.247.71.250] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:29] LaserJock, openoffice can do it I think [12:33] ok, saved it as docbook .xml [12:33] cool [12:33] how do I view it? [12:34] in yelp? [12:35] or convert it to html using xsltproc or something [12:38] ok converting to html worked, yelp didn't [12:39] yelp will only read it if it is valid docbook xml [12:39] yeah, that's probably the problem [12:40] hmm, I ran validate.sh on it and it didn't spite anything out [12:40] o.o [12:40] send it over [12:40] to where? [12:41] mdke@ubuntu.com [12:41] Matt, how does one aspire to become an ubuntu member/developer? [12:42] phin3as, how ever you like. whereever you want to contribute, you just do so [12:42] phin3as, a good starting point is here: [12:42] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [12:43] :) thanks, I've already visited it however. I have a wiki and whatnot now, I'm just wondering considering I don't have any particular skills, where I'd be most effective. [12:44] phin3as, documentation is an easy one, if you have writing skills. Otherwise, helping out on the mailing lists and #ubuntu, if you have linux skills, promoting linux to people, etc [12:45] I think promotion and documentation would pay off. [12:45] Until I get further experitse in other areas. [12:45] cool [12:48] Yeah. === wezzer [i=wezzer@ZMKDXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:04] mdke: did you get my email? [01:11] LaserJock, haven't checked, i'll have to look tomorrow i'm afraid. I haven't got my regular computer with me [01:11] mdke: ok , no problem [01:15] thanks [01:15] good night === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:18] good night === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [cyb3rM4N] [n=cyb3rM4N@20150147178.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:45] <[cyb3rM4N] > hi === wezzer [i=wezzer@ZMKDXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [cyb3rM4N] [n=cyb3rM4N@20150147178.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Fui] === wezzer_ [i=wezzer@ZMKDXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-139-132.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.33.65] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia gets depressed looking at the cleanup category === wezzer [i=wezzer@ZMKDXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-75-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wezzer [i=wezzer@ZMKDXCVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:48] I need a kubuntu user [04:48] What for? :) [04:48] think you could fill in the "In Kubuntu" section under "Enabling graphical root login"? [04:55] hmm === Burgundavia goes to town on RestrictedFormats [05:03] actually restricted formats is actually pretty sane right now === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:49] regarding server guide .. [05:49] i guess we need not repeat the installation section [05:50] i prefer to add assumptions section. let us assume he have referred installation guide and did the installation [05:51] any thoughts ? [06:00] we should mention how to install a server [06:00] the server option [06:00] and i don't know how UbuntuExpress will affect thigns [06:00] ok === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] bon soir, jdub === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-75-241.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:47] hellas [10:47] jdub: hey :) [10:51] who is familiar with the current svn tree and the ubuntu-docs package enough to help me packaging the current version? i already did a bunch of changes, but some parts are still missing [10:58] hi [10:58] whats the prob? [10:59] since the 5.10 package a bunch of paths changed [10:59] and things like the faqguide [10:59] then i'm looking for rosetta tarballs which are expected to be there, but are not [10:59] everything is now under its respective distro folder now [11:00] the only thing i could find was rosetta-quicktour.tar.gz [11:00] and the faqguide was renamed "desktopguide" [11:00] but not in rosetta [11:00] the rosetta tarballs may have only been in branch [11:01] i mean, i can't find them on rosetta :) [11:01] this is the current state of the pcakage, i'm working on [11:01] http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt [11:01] oh yeah, sure because the guides were renamed but obviously rosetta hasn't been updated [11:01] the "first package" is the old one, the "second one" is the new one [11:02] i feel updating the package without translations is not really a good thing [11:03] the translations are missing [11:03] did you pull them both from branch? [11:03] when you made the .debs [11:04] what should i have pulled? [11:04] the only thing I can think of is its either that or the translations were deleted, however I can't remember seeing it done [11:04] for breezy it would be branch [11:04] no, i'm preparing dapper packages [11:04] ah [11:04] there will be no faq guide in dapper [11:04] so we can test the newest docs there are [11:05] ah ok [11:05] so i don't have to worry about that one [11:05] it will be called the desktop starter guide instead [11:05] that's "desktopguide", right? [11:05] yes, under ubuntu/desktopguide [11:05] ok [11:06] there will also be a server guide in /generic but not much work has been done on it yet [11:06] *nod* [11:07] as far as I'm aware no one has done updated omf files yet either [11:08] ok [11:08] so i better shouldnt do an upload right now? [11:08] probably not just yet [11:09] ok [11:09] I will talk to mdke and we will figure out a time when to do the scrollkeeper stuff [11:09] i will poke at the packaging a bit and give you a patch of the changes that are required in dapper [11:09] that would be cool [11:09] of cause, once thats done you should be able to package whenever you want [11:10] ok sounds good [11:10] brilliant [11:10] thanks for that [11:10] np === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@59.92.36.219] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp229-237.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:24] dholbach, if you're making a dapper package, you don't need a rosetta tarball because (1) you don't need any translations, and (2) the rosetta tarball shouldn't go in the package anyway [02:25] translations don't happen until right at the end of the release cycle, so only english should be in the package right now [02:26] mdke: hrm - wouldn't it be wise to test those too? (if there are any) [02:27] dholbach, no because we don't _start_ translating until after the docs are written, after string freeze [02:27] so there is nothing to test [02:27] we can setup the environment though i suppose [02:27] right [02:27] you don't need that done for the first upload tho IMO [02:27] ok [02:28] mdke: i will have a meeting soon, can you tell me, when you have a bit of time, so we could have a look and see how much is missing in my dapper package? [02:28] i don't want to knowingly upload something with missing files ;) [02:28] dholbach, i am free this evening, after about 8 or 9 pm german time... [02:29] that sounds excellent [02:29] *rejoice* [02:29] good, i'll ping you === dholbach hugs mdke [02:29] it's the HUG DAY! :) === mdke hugs back [02:30] :) [02:30] i love this gnubuntu idea [02:30] hopefully something will come of it [02:30] gnubuntu? [02:30] a free version of Ubuntu [02:30] mark's idea i believe [02:31] ah cool [02:31] the idea would be that it get's fsf approval [02:31] i think that debian kicked some asses in the right direction with their picky ideas of non-free-ness, so that's a good thing [02:32] yeah [02:32] the Ubuntu component selection should make it quite easy to do a free version [03:02] jdub: #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage loves gnubuntu === jjesse [i=user@69-87-142-95.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-227-135-218.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:22] mdke: ping ? [06:00] LaserJock, yes [06:03] mdke: I would like to get that packaging guide on the docteam repo but I'm not sure since I haven't heard from Unfgiven [06:04] well it is gpl'd [06:04] I guess that is true. [06:06] by the way, what is the best way to send patches? ubuntu-doc list? [06:06] yeah [06:06] so do you want me to upload the packaging guide? [06:06] i've made a few changes to the code, just so that it's more readable [06:06] but i dunno why it doesn't work in yelp [06:07] we should probably give it chapters and such [06:07] mdke: yeah, go ahead and upload it, I don't think Unfgiven will have a problem with that since that is what we were working on anyway [06:09] done [06:10] thanks [06:11] feel free to send us patches [06:11] will do [06:13] i'll have a hack at it too [06:13] LaserJock, useful templates are in trunk/incoming === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:17] right now it isn't validating [06:17] eh? [06:17] i thought it was [06:17] oh crap [06:17] packagingguide.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity [06:18] crap sorry, fixed now [06:19] mdke: how are you? [06:19] dholbach, good thanks, why?? [06:19] just so :) [06:50] mdke: should the packaging guide use instead of
? [06:52] i guess that might help === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] dholbach, here i am, is now a good time? [09:02] hellas :) [09:03] perfect [09:03] if it suits *YOU* [09:03] heh [09:03] you're so polite [09:03] let's go [09:03] http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt - is a debdiff of the packages (1 is the breezy package - 2 the current status of the dapper package (which is, of course, not uploaded yet)) [09:03] the debdiff tells us about some missing packages [09:04] okay [09:04] i tried to figure some stuff out myself and changed debian/install already (you volunteered last time, now i did it last night, when i coudltn sleep) [09:04] you wanna upload your current package to svn? [09:04] i will give back the patch, once it makes more sense ;) [09:04] nononono, it's too broken still ;) [09:05] once the package makes sense, i'm happy to [09:05] dholbach, you can break trunk [09:05] let me just break dapper :) [09:05] don't upload it to the breezy branch obviously, but put it in trunk, that way I can see what's going on [09:06] i noticed that you need to register some rosetta products [09:06] (which are expected from some shell scripts already) [09:06] dholbach, but you shouldn't be using any of those, as I explained, translations are not for now [09:06] i need to clean up my buildtree - the clean target of the package is ... erm ... broken [09:07] ok [09:07] you can remove anything relating to rosetta [09:07] just as heads-up [09:07] can you tell me, what i obviously missed (from the debdiff)? [09:07] i can see some things i think [09:07] but you need the patch? [09:07] no, that's ok [09:08] there shouldn't be a "generic" folder now [09:08] in the package or where? [09:08] also, there is no need to put in the quicktour.xml, the document is broken [09:08] ok [09:09] will chuck it out [09:09] dholbach, basically the things which say: /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide should be /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide [09:09] *making notes [09:10] hmm it is pretty difficult to see what's going on [09:10] ok [09:10] you sure you can't upload your changes to svn? [09:10] don't forget, breaking things is not a problem [09:10] pbuilder is working again, this will give me the chance to have the buildtree cleaner and give you the diff asap [09:10] we have the safe version in the breezy branch [09:11] yeah, but i prefer, you breaking svn :) [09:11] mdke: quick question does mean anything? [09:11] LaserJock, don't think so [09:11] dholbach, no problem [09:11] dholbach, you know anything about omf? [09:11] not much [09:12] we should grab jbailey [09:12] i can look things about the buildsystem up in other packages though [09:12] i don't know what we have to do to make the faqguide->desktopguide change work [09:13] i presume /usr/share/omf/faqguide/desktopguide-C.omf should be renamed [09:13] but I don't know if we need to change any other packages [09:13] i will investigate in it [09:13] *making further notes* [09:13] jbailey can tell us [09:13] let's see if he is around? [09:14] it's good to hear what belongs where :) [09:22] dholbach, ok good so that is fine [09:22] excellent [09:23] let's get this in trunk asap and you can tell me how to build and test the package :D [09:23] super [09:23] when did you want to upload it? === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:24] hi there Burgwork [09:25] i think we can take our time... i'm just happy once we have something to look at... so i'll put some time in cleaning up the patch later and tomorrow [09:25] salut mdke [09:25] dholbach, cool, i'm happy to look at it this evening or tomorrow evening [09:25] Burgwork, hiya, how's it going? you pinged the other day? [09:25] rock [09:25] thanks a lot, mdke [09:26] i'm very happy how responsive and good-to-work-with you all are [09:26] dholbach, can you upload just the "install" file? I can take a look at that and check the paths [09:26] yeah, sure [09:27] mdke, likely, but I don't remember what for [09:28] mdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/install [09:28] i'll upload it shall i? [09:29] yeah, if you want to [09:29] done [09:29] :) [09:29] ok let's have a look [09:30] dholbach, can I take out all the translations? [09:30] or shall we leave them in? [09:31] you should decide that - if the paths will stay the same, we can as well leave them in [09:31] they won't break the build [09:31] or we can chuck them out, as you like [09:32] it might be simpler to sort things out to get rid of them [09:32] is there a way of commenting in that file? [09:33] just drop them [09:33] i can always debdiff with the old version [09:33] yes, it is fairly obvious what to do, because we just copy what there is for "C" === mdke nukes file [09:34] yeah [09:34] ok lemme check the omf files [09:37] dholbach, ok i've nuked the install file of translations, and updated the omf files. I've committed to svn [09:37] excellent [09:37] i will do some other stuff for now and poke at it later [09:37] thanks a lot for explaining [09:38] that's alright. i am learning too [09:38] thanks anyway :-p [09:41] np [09:42] upload the rest of your stuff whenever you can and we can test it :) [09:44] yeah [09:47] dholbach, btw did you change this line in "rules": [09:47] DEB_SRCDIR = gnome [09:47] yes [09:47] rock [09:47] and some others [09:47] else i wouldnt have got very far :) [09:47] oh which others? [09:48] ok... i do it now ;) [09:48] everything else there looks fine, except the SRCDIR [09:48] what about the makefile in the generic dir? [09:49] not needed yet [09:49] ok [09:49] the makefile is only needed for html docs, and the only doc we ship in html is about-ubuntu [09:49] everything else goes in xml, so no Makefile needed [09:51] i will put the patch online and you can have alook - just bear in mind: it was 5-7 in the morning, when i did this ;) [09:51] we need to change some things in "control" too, unless you've done that already [09:51] jdub, link for the fridge: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/0,39023100,39237495,00.htm [09:51] cool [09:51] i did :) [09:54] no... i changed just stupid stuff in debian/control, nevermind me [09:55] http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/build.patch [09:56] handle with care :) [10:03] i will call it the day for today [10:05] good night :) === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:32] bloody machine powercycled at work [10:32] which left 3 of us not able to work [10:32] :) [10:32] bloody multihead [10:59] heya rob1 === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-248-243.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:40] hi there mgalvin === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc