[12:26] <LaserJock> well, it seems nobody has heard from Unfgiven for a couple of weeks
[12:26] <LaserJock> I sent him an email but it appears that the Packaging Guide was only in .pdf and .odt format
[12:27] <LaserJock> is there a program to convert a .pdf or .odt to docbook? or does that need to be done by hand?
[12:29] <mdke> LaserJock, openoffice can do it I think
[12:33] <LaserJock> ok, saved it as docbook .xml
[12:33] <mdke> cool
[12:33] <LaserJock> how do I view it?
[12:34] <mdke> in yelp?
[12:35] <mdke> or convert it to html using xsltproc or something
[12:38] <LaserJock> ok converting to html worked, yelp didn't
[12:39] <mdke> yelp will only read it if it is valid docbook xml
[12:39] <LaserJock> yeah, that's probably the problem
[12:40] <LaserJock> hmm, I ran validate.sh on it and it didn't spite anything out
[12:40] <phin3as> o.o
[12:40] <mdke> send it over
[12:40] <LaserJock> to where?
[12:41] <mdke> mdke@ubuntu.com
[12:41] <phin3as> Matt, how does one aspire to become an ubuntu member/developer?
[12:42] <mdke> phin3as, how ever you like. whereever you want to contribute, you just do so
[12:42] <mdke> phin3as, a good starting point is here:
[12:42] <mdke> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[12:43] <phin3as> :) thanks, I've already visited it however. I have a wiki and whatnot now, I'm just wondering considering I don't have any particular skills, where I'd be most effective.
[12:44] <mdke> phin3as, documentation is an easy one, if you have writing skills. Otherwise, helping out on the mailing lists and #ubuntu, if you have linux skills, promoting linux to people, etc
[12:45] <phin3as> I think promotion and documentation would pay off.
[12:45] <phin3as> Until I get further experitse in other areas.
[12:45] <mdke> cool
[12:48] <phin3as> Yeah.
[01:04] <LaserJock> mdke: did you get my email?
[01:11] <mdke> LaserJock, haven't checked, i'll have to look tomorrow i'm afraid. I haven't got my regular computer with me
[01:11] <LaserJock> mdke: ok , no problem
[01:15] <mdke> thanks
[01:15] <mdke> good night
[01:18] <LaserJock> good night
[02:45] <[cyb3rM4N] > hi
[04:48] <Burgundavia> I need a kubuntu user
[04:48] <phin3as> What for? :)
[04:48] <Burgundavia> think you could fill in the "In Kubuntu" section under "Enabling graphical root login"?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:03] <Burgundavia> actually restricted formats is actually pretty sane right now
[05:49] <bhuvan> regarding server guide ..
[05:49] <bhuvan> i guess we need not repeat the installation section
[05:50] <bhuvan> i prefer to add assumptions section. let us assume he have referred installation guide and did the installation
[05:51] <bhuvan> any thoughts ?
[06:00] <Burgundavia> we should mention how to install a server
[06:00] <Burgundavia> the server option
[06:00] <Burgundavia> and i don't know how UbuntuExpress will affect thigns
[06:00] <bhuvan> ok
[07:13] <Burgundavia> bon soir, jdub 
[10:47] <dholbach> hellas
[10:47] <dholbach> jdub: hey :)
[10:51] <dholbach> who is familiar with the current svn tree and the ubuntu-docs package enough to help me packaging the current version? i already did a bunch of changes, but some parts are still missing
[10:58] <rob1> hi
[10:58] <rob1> whats the prob?
[10:59] <dholbach> since the 5.10 package a bunch of paths changed
[10:59] <dholbach> and things like the faqguide
[10:59] <dholbach> then i'm looking for rosetta tarballs which are expected to be there, but are not
[10:59] <rob1> everything is now under its respective distro folder now
[11:00] <dholbach> the only thing i could find was rosetta-quicktour.tar.gz
[11:00] <rob1> and the faqguide was renamed "desktopguide"
[11:00] <dholbach> but not in rosetta
[11:00] <rob1> the rosetta tarballs may have only been in branch
[11:01] <dholbach> i mean, i can't find them on rosetta :)
[11:01] <dholbach> this is the current state of the pcakage, i'm working on
[11:01] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt
[11:01] <rob1> oh yeah, sure because the guides were renamed but obviously rosetta hasn't been updated
[11:01] <dholbach> the "first package" is the old one, the "second one" is the new one
[11:02] <dholbach> i feel updating the package without translations is not really a good thing
[11:03] <rob1> the translations are missing
[11:03] <rob1> did you pull them both from branch?
[11:03] <rob1> when you made the .debs
[11:04] <dholbach> what should i have pulled?
[11:04] <rob1> the only thing I can think of is its either that or the translations were deleted, however I can't remember seeing it done
[11:04] <rob1> for breezy it would be branch
[11:04] <dholbach> no, i'm preparing dapper packages
[11:04] <rob1> ah
[11:04] <rob1> there will be no faq guide in dapper
[11:04] <dholbach> so we can test the newest docs there are
[11:05] <dholbach> ah ok
[11:05] <dholbach> so i don't have to worry about that one
[11:05] <rob1> it will be called the desktop starter guide instead
[11:05] <dholbach> that's "desktopguide", right?
[11:05] <rob1> yes, under ubuntu/desktopguide
[11:05] <dholbach> ok
[11:06] <rob1> there will also be a server guide in /generic but not much work has been done on it yet
[11:06] <dholbach> *nod*
[11:07] <rob1> as far as I'm aware no one has done updated omf files yet either
[11:08] <dholbach> ok
[11:08] <dholbach> so i better shouldnt do an upload right now?
[11:08] <rob1> probably not just yet
[11:09] <dholbach> ok
[11:09] <rob1> I will talk to mdke and we will figure out a time when to do the scrollkeeper stuff
[11:09] <dholbach> i will poke at the packaging a bit and give you a patch of the changes that are required in dapper
[11:09] <dholbach> that would be cool
[11:09] <rob1> of cause, once thats done you should be able to package whenever you want
[11:10] <rob1> ok sounds good
[11:10] <dholbach> brilliant
[11:10] <dholbach> thanks for that
[11:10] <rob1> np
[02:24] <mdke> dholbach, if you're making a dapper package, you don't need a rosetta tarball because (1) you don't need any translations, and (2) the rosetta tarball shouldn't go in the package anyway
[02:25] <mdke> translations don't happen until right at the end of the release cycle, so only english should be in the package right now
[02:26] <dholbach> mdke: hrm - wouldn't it be wise to test those too? (if there are any)
[02:27] <mdke> dholbach, no because we don't _start_ translating until after the docs are written, after string freeze
[02:27] <mdke> so there is nothing to test
[02:27] <mdke> we can setup the environment though i suppose
[02:27] <dholbach> right
[02:27] <mdke> you don't need that done for the first upload tho IMO
[02:27] <dholbach> ok
[02:28] <dholbach> mdke: i will have a meeting soon, can you tell me, when you have a bit of time, so we could have a look and see how much is missing in my dapper package?
[02:28] <dholbach> i don't want to knowingly upload something with missing files ;)
[02:28] <mdke> dholbach, i am free this evening, after about 8 or 9 pm german time...
[02:29] <dholbach> that sounds excellent
[02:29] <dholbach> *rejoice*
[02:29] <mdke> good, i'll ping you
[02:29] <dholbach> it's the HUG DAY! :)
[02:30] <dholbach> :)
[02:30] <mdke> i love this gnubuntu idea
[02:30] <mdke> hopefully something will come of it
[02:30] <dholbach> gnubuntu?
[02:30] <mdke> a free version of Ubuntu
[02:30] <mdke> mark's idea i believe
[02:31] <dholbach> ah cool
[02:31] <mdke> the idea would be that it get's fsf approval
[02:31] <dholbach> i think that debian kicked some asses in the right direction with their picky ideas of non-free-ness, so that's a good thing
[02:32] <mdke> yeah
[02:32] <mdke> the Ubuntu component selection should make it quite easy to do a free version
[03:02] <dholbach> jdub: #ubuntu-meeting
[05:22] <LaserJock> mdke: ping ?
[06:00] <mdke> LaserJock, yes
[06:03] <LaserJock> mdke: I would like to get that packaging guide on the docteam repo but I'm not sure since I haven't heard from Unfgiven
[06:04] <mdke> well it is gpl'd
[06:04] <LaserJock> I guess that is true.
[06:06] <LaserJock> by the way, what is the best way to send patches? ubuntu-doc list?
[06:06] <mdke> yeah
[06:06] <mdke> so do you want me to upload the packaging guide?
[06:06] <mdke> i've made a few changes to the code, just so that it's more readable
[06:06] <mdke> but i dunno why it doesn't work in yelp
[06:07] <mdke> we should probably give it chapters and such
[06:07] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, go ahead and upload it, I don't think Unfgiven will have a problem with that since that is what we were working on anyway
[06:09] <mdke> done
[06:10] <LaserJock> thanks
[06:11] <mdke> feel free to send us patches
[06:11] <LaserJock> will do
[06:13] <mdke> i'll have a hack at it too
[06:13] <mdke> LaserJock, useful templates are in trunk/incoming
[06:17] <LaserJock> right now it isn't validating
[06:17] <mdke> eh?
[06:17] <mdke> i thought it was
[06:17] <mdke> oh crap
[06:17] <LaserJock> packagingguide.xml:5: warning: failed to load external entity 
[06:18] <mdke> crap sorry, fixed now
[06:19] <dholbach> mdke: how are you?
[06:19] <mdke> dholbach, good thanks, why??
[06:19] <dholbach> just so :)
[06:50] <LaserJock> mdke: should the packaging guide use <book> instead of <article>?
[06:52] <mdke> i guess that might help
[09:02] <mdke> dholbach, here i am, is now a good time?
[09:02] <dholbach> hellas :)
[09:03] <dholbach> perfect
[09:03] <dholbach> if it suits *YOU*
[09:03] <mdke> heh
[09:03] <mdke> you're so polite
[09:03] <mdke> let's go
[09:03] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/diff.txt - is a debdiff of the packages (1 is the breezy package - 2 the current status of the dapper package (which is, of course, not uploaded yet))
[09:03] <dholbach> the debdiff tells us about some missing packages
[09:04] <mdke> okay
[09:04] <dholbach> i tried to figure some stuff out myself and changed debian/install already (you volunteered last time, now i did it last night, when i coudltn sleep)
[09:04] <mdke> you wanna upload your current package to svn?
[09:04] <dholbach> i will give back the patch, once it makes more sense ;)
[09:04] <dholbach> nononono, it's too broken still ;)
[09:05] <dholbach> once the package makes sense, i'm happy to
[09:05] <mdke> dholbach, you can break trunk
[09:05] <dholbach> let me just break dapper :)
[09:05] <mdke> don't upload it to the breezy branch obviously, but put it in trunk, that way I can see what's going on
[09:06] <dholbach> i noticed that you need to register some rosetta products
[09:06] <dholbach> (which are expected from some shell scripts already)
[09:06] <mdke> dholbach, but you shouldn't be using any of those, as I explained, translations are not for now
[09:06] <dholbach> i need to clean up my buildtree - the clean target of the package is ... erm ... broken
[09:07] <dholbach> ok
[09:07] <mdke> you can remove anything relating to rosetta
[09:07] <dholbach> just as heads-up
[09:07] <dholbach> can you tell me, what i obviously missed (from the debdiff)?
[09:07] <mdke> i can see some things i think
[09:07] <dholbach> but you need the patch?
[09:07] <mdke> no, that's ok
[09:08] <mdke> there shouldn't be a "generic" folder now
[09:08] <dholbach> in the package or where?
[09:08] <mdke> also, there is no need to put in the quicktour.xml, the document is broken
[09:08] <dholbach> ok
[09:09] <dholbach> will chuck it out
[09:09] <mdke> dholbach, basically the things which say: /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/generic/faqguide should be /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide
[09:09] <dholbach> *making notes
[09:10] <mdke> hmm it is pretty difficult to see what's going on
[09:10] <dholbach> ok
[09:10] <mdke> you sure you can't upload your changes to svn?
[09:10] <mdke> don't forget, breaking things is not a problem
[09:10] <dholbach> pbuilder is working again, this will give me the chance to have the buildtree cleaner and give you the diff asap
[09:10] <mdke> we have the safe version in the breezy branch
[09:11] <dholbach> yeah, but i prefer, you breaking svn :)
[09:11] <LaserJock> mdke: quick question does <para/> mean anything?
[09:11] <mdke> LaserJock, don't think so
[09:11] <mdke> dholbach, no problem
[09:11] <mdke> dholbach, you know anything about omf?
[09:11] <dholbach> not much
[09:12] <mdke> we should grab jbailey
[09:12] <dholbach> i can look things about the buildsystem up in other packages though
[09:12] <mdke> i don't know what we have to do to make the faqguide->desktopguide change work
[09:13] <mdke> i presume /usr/share/omf/faqguide/desktopguide-C.omf should be renamed
[09:13] <mdke> but I don't know if we need to change any other packages
[09:13] <dholbach> i will investigate in it
[09:13] <dholbach> *making further notes*
[09:13] <mdke> jbailey can tell us
[09:13] <mdke> let's see if he is around?
[09:14] <dholbach> it's good to hear what belongs where :)
[09:22] <mdke> dholbach, ok good so that is fine
[09:22] <dholbach> excellent
[09:23] <mdke> let's get this in trunk asap and you can tell me how to build and test the package :D
[09:23] <dholbach> super
[09:23] <mdke> when did you want to upload it?
[09:24] <mdke> hi there Burgwork 
[09:25] <dholbach> i think we can take our time... i'm just happy once we have something to look at... so i'll put some time in cleaning up the patch later and tomorrow
[09:25] <Burgwork> salut mdke 
[09:25] <mdke> dholbach, cool, i'm happy to look at it this evening or tomorrow evening
[09:25] <mdke> Burgwork, hiya, how's it going? you pinged the other day?
[09:25] <dholbach> rock
[09:25] <dholbach> thanks a lot, mdke 
[09:26] <dholbach> i'm very happy how responsive and good-to-work-with you all are
[09:26] <mdke> dholbach, can you upload just the "install" file? I can take a look at that and check the paths
[09:26] <dholbach> yeah, sure
[09:27] <Burgwork> mdke, likely, but I don't remember what for
[09:28] <dholbach> mdke: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/install
[09:28] <mdke> i'll upload it shall i?
[09:29] <dholbach> yeah, if you want to
[09:29] <mdke> done
[09:29] <mdke> :)
[09:29] <mdke> ok let's have a look
[09:30] <mdke> dholbach, can I take out all the translations?
[09:30] <mdke> or shall we leave them in?
[09:31] <dholbach> you should decide that - if the paths will stay the same, we can as well leave them in
[09:31] <dholbach> they won't break the build
[09:31] <dholbach> or we can chuck them out, as you like
[09:32] <mdke> it might be simpler to sort things out to get rid of them
[09:32] <mdke> is there a way of commenting in that file?
[09:33] <dholbach> just drop them
[09:33] <dholbach> i can always debdiff with the old version
[09:33] <mdke> yes, it is fairly obvious what to do, because we just copy what there is for "C"
[09:34] <dholbach> yeah
[09:34] <mdke> ok lemme check the omf files
[09:37] <mdke> dholbach, ok i've nuked the install file of translations, and updated the omf files. I've committed to svn
[09:37] <dholbach> excellent
[09:37] <dholbach> i will do some other stuff for now and poke at it later
[09:37] <dholbach> thanks a lot for explaining
[09:38] <mdke> that's alright. i am learning too
[09:38] <dholbach> thanks anyway :-p
[09:41] <mdke> np
[09:42] <mdke> upload the rest of your stuff whenever you can and we can test it :)
[09:44] <dholbach> yeah
[09:47] <mdke> dholbach, btw did you change this line in "rules":
[09:47] <mdke> DEB_SRCDIR = gnome
[09:47] <dholbach> yes
[09:47] <mdke> rock
[09:47] <dholbach> and some others
[09:47] <dholbach> else i wouldnt have got very far :)
[09:47] <mdke> oh which others?
[09:48] <dholbach> ok... i do it now ;)
[09:48] <mdke> everything else there looks fine, except the SRCDIR
[09:48] <dholbach> what about the makefile in the generic dir?
[09:49] <mdke> not needed yet
[09:49] <dholbach> ok
[09:49] <mdke> the makefile is only needed for html docs, and the only doc we ship in html is about-ubuntu
[09:49] <mdke> everything else goes in xml, so no Makefile needed
[09:51] <dholbach> i will put the patch online and you can have alook - just bear in mind: it was 5-7 in the morning, when i did this ;)
[09:51] <mdke> we need to change some things in "control" too, unless you've done that already
[09:51] <Burgwork> jdub, link for the fridge: http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/0,39023100,39237495,00.htm
[09:51] <mdke> cool
[09:51] <dholbach> i did :)
[09:54] <dholbach> no... i changed just stupid stuff in debian/control, nevermind me
[09:55] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/build.patch
[09:56] <dholbach> handle with care :)
[10:03] <dholbach> i will call it the day for today
[10:05] <dholbach> good night :)
[10:32] <Burgwork> bloody machine powercycled at work
[10:32] <Burgwork> which left 3 of us not able to work
[10:32] <mdke> :)
[10:32] <Burgwork> bloody multihead
[10:59] <mdke> heya rob1 
[11:40] <mdke_> hi there mgalvin