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paolobHi guys! How many clients does a edubuntu server admit? Is 40 too much?02:06
ajmitch_I'd say it'd depend a lot on the ram the server has02:07
paolobajmitch_: the problem I have is that after some 5/6 clients connections, the other clients say "no IP address", and /var/log/syslog says: "dhcpd: no free lease". What is the reason?02:08
ajmitch_your range that you're allocating for dhcp is quite small?02:10
paolobajmitch_: where is it set?02:11
ajmitch_in /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf or similar02:13
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ajmitch_might be /etc/dhcpd.conf02:14
paolobajmitch_: ok, tomorrow I'm going to see it! thank you!02:18
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ogra /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf02:26
ogradont touch /etc/dhcpd.conf02:26
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ajmitch_ogra: ok, thanks for corrections ;)02:56
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chuck_sudo question - since edubuntu does not set up a root account how can I sudo without a root password?03:58
ajmitch_sudo uses the users password04:01
chuck_I tryed my password did not work04:04
chuck_should the prompt be a $ or a # for superuser?04:05
chuck_brain fart - you are correct it did work 04:09
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mhzhi06:32
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Viktor4uGod morning to the edubuntu room12:28
highvoltagehi there Viktor4u 12:30
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juliuxogra, we will have an beamer at our booth in essen, so if you want you can make a pr01:59
juliuxogra, presentation about edubuntu and we will show it the whole time on the beamer02:00
ogras/beamer/projector/ ;)02:00
ograi'll need a laptop with external vga, mine doesnt work (widescreen+nv driver)02:01
juliuxogra, we can use the udms for that02:01
ograudms ? 02:02
juliuxogra, the server we will have there02:02
ograok02:02
juliuxogra, udms == ubuntu deutschland messe server02:02
ograah02:03
ogra:)02:03
juliuxogra, tfts we will also have there02:04
juliuxogra, the tfts and the projectors we get from lwsystems02:04
ografine02:06
juliuxogra, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/138-Gentoo-Meets-Ubuntu-Ubuntu-Meets-Gentoo.html will you also be there?02:07
ograjuliux, most liekly ...02:07
juliuxogra, cool02:08
ograWe are planing a dinner and what will happen after the dinner ?????02:08
ograso we'll have two dinners ? 02:08
juliuxogra, we will drinkt beer, very much beer02:08
juliux-t02:09
ograah, i read that instead of what first02:09
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juliuxogra, \sh wants to drink with us02:09
ograyup02:10
ogra\shalways wants to drink :)02:11
juliuxhehe02:11
juliuxevery picture from \sh is with a beer in a hand02:11
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juliuxhi Yagisan 02:23
YagisanG'day juliux02:24
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juliuxYagisan, i also want to have so much pc02:27
Yagisanjuliux: well, they are a p2 233Mhz, p2 300Mhz, K6/2 333Mhz, Duron 850Mhz, and Athlon64 2Ghz02:28
Yagisanjuliux: not exactly powerful boxes, but good enough for my ltsp setup02:29
juliuxYagisan, i have here "only" a pentium M 740, athlon xp 2400+ and one p3 500mhz but in a broken notebook02:29
Yagisanjuliux: I don't throw my pc's, I keep repairing them until they die of overheating02:31
Yagisanjuliux: I've had some of those pc's since around 199502:32
Yagisanjuliux: Although a few cpu's died and needed replacements from ebay02:32
juliuxYagisan, but i will try to get a room at the university where we can build a testnetwork02:32
juliuxYagisan, at the momten i try to get an old sparc from the university so i can test ubuntu/edubuntu at sparc!02:33
ograheh, you'll have to hack a lot first ... ltsp doesnt support sparc at all02:34
Yagisanjuliux: I'm trying to get powerpc box, I'd love a sparc too.02:34
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juliuxogra, but normal ubuntu02:34
ograbut Yagisan will be able to help, he already did the multiarch patch for us02:34
juliuxogra, at first i need the room and the computers02:35
ograold sparcs are cheap, arent they ? 02:35
juliuxogra, but old sparcs have no cdrom02:35
ograwhat for ? if you run ltsp02:35
juliuxogra, edubunntu on server!02:35
Yagisanjuliux: does it netboot ?02:35
juliuxYagisan, i have never seen a spar yet02:35
juliuxYagisan, but i want so play with a sparc02:36
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juliuxogra, what i want is that there is a room where students could play with a network02:36
ograjuliux, http://librarian.launchpad.net/1181648/anysystem_1871_8487500_hacker.png02:36
ograrthats a nice sparc :)02:36
Yagisansparc - that is "vintage" computers on ebay right ?02:36
ograyup02:37
ogramost of them at least ... indeed you can buy new ones for $100000 if you like ;)02:37
juliuxogra, no student has the location to build up a network, so i thin would be great if there is a room where you have a network and server to play with02:38
Yagisanogra: If It costs more the $50au I'm not getting one soon02:38
juliuxogra, and old hardware is enough at the university02:38
ograi think you can get sparc I or II for $5002:38
ogra(US though)02:39
YagisanI only see a microsparc on ebay.com.au ATM02:40
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ograYagisan, http://cgi.ebay.de/SGI-Origin3200-Origin-3000-Silicon-Graphics-Server_W0QQitemZ5834023117QQcategoryZ8074QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem02:52
ograthats the right thing for home :)02:52
Yagisanogra: is that 25 euros or 2500 euros ? And it would look sweet next to my desk02:54
ograthats 25 but still 8 days to go02:55
ograi guess you can buy it around 1000 in the end02:55
ogra<-- big SGI fan02:55
Yagisanthe shipping to Aus would kill me02:56
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mhzhi02:58
YagisanG'day mhz02:59
mhzYagisan: hi , Mr. gifted02:59
Yagisanogra: can we get Debian/Ubuntu on a cray ?02:59
ograno idea, but its MIPS based ... 03:00
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ograso it might work03:00
ograYagisan, not with your changes yet... they are blocked in my branch by ldm fixes03:00
Yagisanso, how useful would a cray be as an edubuntu server ?03:01
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ogralol03:02
mhzogra: remember any key word for your diagrams on network layout (client-server)?03:02
ograi doubt you can find any of them for sale03:02
ogramhz, ?03:02
mhzogra: the ones you wikied about 2 months ago, very cool drwaings03:02
ograah03:02
ograEdubuntuWiring03:02
mhzokidoki03:02
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mhzogra: do you think that name is appropriate?03:03
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ograYagisan, crays are out of business way to long ... they are at a stage where the prices already rise again03:03
ogramhz, yup03:04
mhzogra: how about EdubuntuNetworkPictures or EdubuntuNetworkLayout?03:04
ograthats why i choose it03:04
Yagisanthe duron 850 just needs a power supply and then I can tinker with that03:04
Yagisanmhz: wiring is correct network terminology03:04
mhzEdubuntuNetworkWiring?03:04
ograEdubuntuLtspWiring probably03:04
Yagisanogra: but the leather cover is so nice :)03:04
mhzogra: yup!03:05
ograYagisan, the one of crays ? 03:05
mhzogra: thx. I'll add Ltsp part03:05
ograbut keep the old page, its liked from some places afaik03:05
ogras/page/mane/03:05
Yagisanogra: yep - some of the crays had a nice leather cover03:05
ogra*name03:06
ograyup... like a sofa03:06
mhzogra: sure, I'll just place #redirect from your page to EdubuntuLtspWiring03:07
YagisanIIRC there is a cray in "Sneakers"03:07
ograyup03:07
mhzso, everyone should get notified and also redirected03:07
juliuxmhz, hi03:14
juliuxmhz, who far are the cd/dvd labels?03:14
juliuxs/who/how03:15
mhzjuliux: hi. I am terribly sorry, man03:15
juliuxmhz, ok03:15
juliuxmhz, no problem03:15
mhzjuliux: yesterday i forgot a very important meeting and I run03:15
mhzwhen I got here, I saw a note from Pablo saying he'll do it tiday :(03:15
mhztoday03:15
mhzbut so far he hasn't shoed up :(03:16
mhzshowed03:16
mhzjuliux: it is a problem03:16
mhzbecause I said you were gonna have it yesterday at 19:0003:16
mhzand so I suppose you made arrangamente based on that shcedule03:16
juliuxmhz, i need them until the first of december03:18
juliuxmhz, so there is some time03:18
mhzduh!03:18
juliuxleft03:18
mhzso you don't want me to kick his butt?03:18
juliuxmhz,  i dont't want to kick anybody how make some work in his freetime03:19
mhzhehhe03:20
juliuxmhz, but is woudl be greate if i/we have it next week03:21
Yagisank, no kicking, but is slapping ok ?03:21
juliuxYagisan, no03:21
mhzfree time is ok. But commitments are comitments. Now, of course it is a relief that you do not need them urgently, but what if you had needed them urgently?03:21
Yagisan:-P03:21
mhz:D03:21
mhzpouring lemon juice on his eyes, then?03:21
mhzany kind of suffering allowed?03:22
Yagisanvinegar ?03:22
mhzhehehehe03:22
juliuxso now i am going to my salsa lesson03:22
juliuxcu later03:22
mhzjuliux dances slasa!03:22
mhzjuliux dances salsa!03:22
YagisanRunning off with the loo paper03:22
mhzjuliux dances salsa!03:22
Yagisan?03:22
mhzjuliux dances salsa!03:22
Yagisanmhz: EKBD ?03:22
juliuxmhz, where is your problem?03:22
mhzc ya, juliux 03:22
mhzno problem at all, I was singing and old song part03:23
mhz"everybody salsa!"03:23
mhz"everybody salsa!"03:23
Yagisanjuliux: enjoy your dance lesson03:23
mhzand it does feel wired a german geek dancing salsa :)03:23
mhzunless he were from latinamerica03:23
mhzI mean, I am surprised, that;s all03:24
mhzgood for you03:24
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mhzmove your body03:24
mhzYagisan: hehehe03:24
Yagisansalsa - isn't that a dip for my corn chips :)03:24
mhzlol03:24
Yagisanlets see, tomatoes03:24
Yagisancapsicum03:25
Yagisanwhat else ?03:25
mhz:)03:25
mhzsoya?03:25
mhzchocolate?03:25
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mhzvanilla?03:25
Yagisannah - some chilli pepers03:25
mhzred hot?03:25
Yagisanwell I can *drink* tabasco sauce, so yep03:26
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mhzYagisan: we dont have chilli pepers in Chile, unless you are talking about 'aji' (aka 'chile', in Mexico). We do have red hot 'aji'03:30
mhzwhich is extremely hot03:30
mhzesp. the tiny yellowish things03:30
mhzin the inside03:30
Yagisanmhz: the seeds ?03:30
mhzoh, yup!03:30
Yagisanyep - the seeds are hot, but nice :)03:31
mhzthose little deamons03:31
ograoh, seeds that reminds me ...03:31
Yagisanthat will flush your pipes out quick smart !03:31
mhz?03:31
mhzhehehehehe03:31
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mhzogra: LOL03:31
mhzYagisan: this Chilean 'aji seeds' make you sweat a lot, turn your face red, your eyes look different, the veins near your eyes and nose are seen, and you definately wish for gallons of water03:33
mhzand, you pray not to caugh03:33
Yagisanmhz: so it is like drinking tabasco sauce then03:35
mhzprobably03:36
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mhzYagisan: you speak "autralian english"?03:36
mhzYagisan: you speak "australian english"?03:37
Yagisanmhz: yes03:37
mhzoh, thx03:37
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Yagisansouce == programming code, sauce == what you put on dead cow03:38
mhz:)03:38
Yagisanmoo03:38
mhzlol03:38
Yagisanmhz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabasco_sauce03:39
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mhzYagisan: did you read my email on EduPoints?03:47
Yagisanmhz: When did you send it ?03:47
mhzto edubunut-devel ML, Tuesday or Wed, I gues03:49
mhz+s03:49
Yagisanmhz: not yet. I've been preparing to switch to gmane, so I'm not on all the mailing lists anymore03:52
mhzokis03:52
mhzHave you seen/read about EdubuntuStudyPackages?03:53
Yagisanmhz: nope03:55
mhzokis03:55
Yagisanmhz: study packages may be harder then you think, because of different curriculum's in different states/countries03:56
mhzhence we could define them like edu-study-cl-math.deb03:57
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Yagisanmhz: I have noticed from personal experience that eg New South Wales, and Queensland, both do the same subject04:01
Yagisanmhz: but focus on different aspects04:01
mhzoh04:03
mhzthen, see? we need that input and opinions so we can define how to do it04:03
mhzthe idea is good. How to do it... not clear04:03
Yagisanmhz: I was a student in both states - It was not pleasant transferring mid year for the year 10 exams!04:04
mhzhehehe04:06
mhzwho would04:06
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Yagisannight all05:03
ograciao Yagisan 05:03
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mhzYagisan: nite05:07
mhzogra: do you have Jeff (jdub) email?05:07
ograjeff.waugh@ubuntu.com should work05:08
mhzokis05:14
mhzogra: so, when JaneW asked "who will own it" (regarding StudyPackages), did she mean who will be held responsible for its development? If so, does that mean I am? if so, what are my responsibilities?05:15
ogramake sure its ready in time poke people to work on it, or di it yourself etc ...05:16
mhzcan you please re-prhase that?05:18
ograyou are the "manager" of the task and are responsible for having it ready in the estimated timeframe 05:19
ogra(if you own it)05:19
ograi for example "own" edubuntus technical part ... 05:20
mhzogra: i have a couple of questions, will you be arounf in 30 mins? (family needs)05:24
ogramhz, probably05:24
mhzthx05:24
juliuxre06:11
juliuxmhz, we have now the printer so we can start testing06:12
highvolt1geogra: hi there. what's your people.ubuntu address again? or more specifically, where can i get teachertool?06:13
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/06:13
highvolt1gethanks06:14
ograand http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ if you are eager :)06:14
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highvoltageogra: do you know why ubuntu 5.10 has a filesize limit of 2GB?06:35
ograhas it ? 06:35
ograthats news to me06:35
highvoltageif i tar a big bunch of stuff to an ext3 or reiserfs volumt over smb i get a message "File size limit exceeded"06:36
ograhmm, probably a smb restriction you can adjust06:37
ograi have 5GB DVD isos here ...06:37
highvoltageit's strange, i remember making big tarbals in hoary all the time. this is the first time i did it with breezy, and it just doesn't want to go big.06:37
highvoltageweird.06:37
ogradoes it work locally ? 06:37
ograi dont use smb anywhere06:38
ograoh, it might be necessary that you use cifs and not smb.. i heard something about smb being obsolete iirc06:39
juliuxmhz, do you have the edubuntu cd label as an jpg or png ?06:44
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highvoltageogra: i think you're right. i just dd'd a 3GB file from /dev/zero and it worked fine06:52
ograjuliux, just export it from inkscape 06:53
ograand dont do it below 300dpi resolution, else it'll look odd ...06:53
juliuxogra, i have found a png but not the svg06:53
ograthe svg should be on the wiki06:53
juliuxogra, the link is broken06:54
ograoh06:54
juliuxi can only download the pngs06:54
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lucasvohi there08:10
lucasvoanybody looked at gcompris? it is quite fun :D08:11
blue-froglucasvo, hi, did u get what i wrote u about user login and clients few days ago?08:12
lucasvoblue-frog: no08:12
blue-frogare u still looking to know how to know what user is logged on what client?08:13
lucasvoblue-frog: ogra already began to write an application, I wanted to08:13
lucasvoblue-frog: it is ok08:13
mhzre08:36
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mhzlucasvo: I have tried gcompris08:36
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juliuxmhz, hi08:40
juliuxmhz, i have now a printer08:40
mhzjuliux: cool08:40
mhzjuliux: Pablo still "missing"08:40
mhziirc, Pablo had exams today at university08:41
juliuxok08:41
mhzjuliux: regarding the last svg versions, indeed they are in the "older" wiki page version (the page name was EdubuntuCdCoverAndSlip, iirc)08:42
mhzjuliux: and as you well pointed, the name cover was not accurate, I changed it for 'lable' but have not moved svg's there as they are being changed08:43
juliuxmhz, ok08:44
juliuxmhz, i will play here with the png08:44
mhzogra: re 'owning'... so, you say I have soem responsibilities regardng 'time frames'. Which time frame? Should I start a new group in Launchpad?08:45
mhzsoem = some08:45
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lucasvomhz: it is quite good for small children09:18
mhzindeed09:20
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mhzthere are more options as well09:20
PhoulI use ubuntu but whats edubuntu?09:20
mhzlucasvo: Childsplay is almost forgoten but it has some interesting stuff too09:21
mhzPhoul: edubuntu = ubuntu + LTSP envoronment + applications for education09:21
Phoul?...09:21
mhzenvironment09:21
PhoulUhh09:21
PhoulWhats the diffrence then?09:22
PhoulLike school stuff?09:22
bdoinlucasvo: what is quite good for small children ?09:22
mhzEdubuntu is targeted to help teachers and student by providing IT tools for the learning processes09:22
lucasvobdoin: gcompris09:22
Phoulmmmmm im learning ubuntu should i get it?09:23
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lucasvoPhoul: it is almost the same as ubuntu09:23
mhznot necesarily, unless needed.09:23
mhzPhoul: take a look at..09:23
PhoulWhy would you need it tho?...09:23
mhzgimme a sec09:23
Phoulk09:23
lucasvoPhoul: but it provides configuration for terminal-server(ltsp) and some preinstalled educational software09:24
bdoinlucasvo: thanks, I am the author ;)09:24
mhzPhoul: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList09:24
lucasvobdoin: ah09:24
lucasvobdoin: it crashed already once :(09:24
mhzPhoul: all that sw can also be installed by you, manually09:24
Phoulall that sw?09:24
lucasvobdoin: but I can't reproduce it09:24
bdoinlucasvo: bugs are mine :/09:24
PhoulWhats sw09:25
bdoindo you use it at school ?09:25
lucasvobdoin: not anymore :D09:25
mhzPhoul: and if you ever need LTSP environment (to recycle PC's or because you have a computer lab), then you can also add that to your current Ubuntu installation09:25
mhzPhoul: software09:25
lucasvobdoin: no, was just looking for software for education09:25
lucasvohttp://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=4909:25
PhoulWell i was wrong...09:25
PhoulBecause i thought it was a step to learning ubuntu better like advanced09:26
PhoulI guess it would be a step backwards...09:26
mhzPhoul: many teachers prefer to have an 'out of the box' educational IT environement.. Edubuntu is what they want09:26
blue-frogbdoin, haven't had time to check bugs sry, are u aware of a bug(?) in geography where moving the cursor above europe stops all sounds?09:26
lucasvoPhoul: it is no step, it has just some installed apps you don't need09:26
Phoulmhz im not a teacher im 14 lol09:26
mhzPhoul: what you need to learn about ubuntu?09:26
mhzPhoul: hhehehe, no problem09:27
PhoulI wanna learn about it like i got it 2 days ago and i came over from suse/fc409:27
mhzPhoul: LTSP "protocol" is good for recycling computers at home or even for CyberCafes09:27
Phoulmhz why would i recycle a computor like do you mean totaly wipe it?09:28
mhzPhoul: Ubuntu is a linux distro, yes. The target is to provide almost "piece of cake" interaction09:28
PhoulI know its a linux distro lol09:28
mhzPhoul: there is no need to throw away a 1998 PC09:29
PhoulBut i just wanna learn about linux a bit more and ubuntu because it seems like a great system just im not used to .debs and no rpms09:29
Phoul:P09:29
mhzmany OSes force you to upgrades09:29
bdoinblue-frog: yep, it's fixed.09:29
bdoinblue-frog: should be fixed in 7.1.109:30
mhzPhoul: for the software admin, dont worry. Use Synaptics and your are ok09:30
PhoulGood lol :P09:30
PhoulUmmm so whats sup ups about ubuntu09:30
PhoulI have read very littl09:30
Phoule09:30
PhoulLike why would people call it better then say suse or fc4 or even debian09:30
mhzpersonal opinions are just personal. :) EVeryone will tell you diff 'truths'09:31
Phoulwell whats yours?09:31
mhzI like Ubuntu because it is based on Debian. Then, I also like it because just like debian, it is well supported and because I can "evangelise" using merchandising products they send you home so you can show ubuntu to your firends09:32
Phoul:)09:33
PhoulI just bought the trucker hat and sweater :P09:33
mhzAlso, I like Ubuntu because there are lots to do in the community09:33
mhzPhoul: wow! congrats! I have no clothing yet09:33
Phoul:P09:33
PhoulUhh im wondering tho...09:34
PhoulWill synaptic ever have a version of E17 in it?09:34
PhoulBecause e16 sucks...09:34
mhzI like Ubuntu because of what it means "i am who I am because of what we all are"09:34
PhoulWhat WM do you use?09:35
mhzPhoul: don't know. YOu could ask in #ubuntu :)09:35
PhoulAnd will there ever be a e17 relese?09:35
PhoulLol09:35
mhzor #ubuntu-devel09:35
mhzi guess so09:35
Phoulwhat WM do you use?09:35
mhzand if not yet, then jump up and join the devel-team, and help them get the e17 ready!09:35
mhz:D09:35
PhoulHow do i get into that room?09:36
PhoulLike whats the room name?09:36
mhz99% of the times, i always get back to WindowMaker and Fluxbox09:36
Phoulhehehe09:36
PhoulI like fluxbox09:36
Phoul:P09:36
mhzare you using XChat?09:36
PhoulIm on gnome right now tho09:36
PhoulAnd yes im on xchat but whats the room name?09:36
Phoulubuntu-devel?09:36
mhzjust type /join #ubuntu09:36
PhoulIm talking about the ubuntu devel room09:37
PhoulI know how to use IRC09:37
Phoul><09:37
mhzor /join #ubuntu-devel09:37
mhzbut that's the name of the room09:37
mhzoh, you made it :D09:37
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mhzogra: re 'owning'... so, you say I have soem responsibilities regardng 'time frames'. Which time frame? Should I start a new group in Launchpad?10:20
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