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[02:06] <paolob> Hi guys! How many clients does a edubuntu server admit? Is 40 too much?
[02:07] <ajmitch_> I'd say it'd depend a lot on the ram the server has
[02:08] <paolob> ajmitch_: the problem I have is that after some 5/6 clients connections, the other clients say "no IP address", and /var/log/syslog says: "dhcpd: no free lease". What is the reason?
[02:10] <ajmitch_> your range that you're allocating for dhcp is quite small?
[02:11] <paolob> ajmitch_: where is it set?
[02:13] <ajmitch_> in /etc/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf or similar
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[02:14] <ajmitch_> might be /etc/dhcpd.conf
[02:18] <paolob> ajmitch_: ok, tomorrow I'm going to see it! thank you!
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[02:26] <ogra>  /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[02:26] <ogra> dont touch /etc/dhcpd.conf
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[02:56] <ajmitch_> ogra: ok, thanks for corrections ;)
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[03:58] <chuck_> sudo question - since edubuntu does not set up a root account how can I sudo without a root password?
[04:01] <ajmitch_> sudo uses the users password
[04:04] <chuck_> I tryed my password did not work
[04:05] <chuck_> should the prompt be a $ or a # for superuser?
[04:09] <chuck_> brain fart - you are correct it did work 
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[06:32] <mhz> hi
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[12:28] <Viktor4u> God morning to the edubuntu room
[12:30] <highvoltage> hi there Viktor4u 
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[01:59] <juliux> ogra, we will have an beamer at our booth in essen, so if you want you can make a pr
[02:00] <juliux> ogra, presentation about edubuntu and we will show it the whole time on the beamer
[02:00] <ogra> s/beamer/projector/ ;)
[02:01] <ogra> i'll need a laptop with external vga, mine doesnt work (widescreen+nv driver)
[02:01] <juliux> ogra, we can use the udms for that
[02:02] <ogra> udms ? 
[02:02] <juliux> ogra, the server we will have there
[02:02] <ogra> ok
[02:02] <juliux> ogra, udms == ubuntu deutschland messe server
[02:03] <ogra> ah
[02:03] <ogra> :)
[02:04] <juliux> ogra, tfts we will also have there
[02:04] <juliux> ogra, the tfts and the projectors we get from lwsystems
[02:06] <ogra> fine
[02:07] <juliux> ogra, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/138-Gentoo-Meets-Ubuntu-Ubuntu-Meets-Gentoo.html will you also be there?
[02:07] <ogra> juliux, most liekly ...
[02:08] <juliux> ogra, cool
[02:08] <ogra> We are planing a dinner and what will happen after the dinner ?????
[02:08] <ogra> so we'll have two dinners ? 
[02:08] <juliux> ogra, we will drinkt beer, very much beer
[02:09] <juliux> -t
[02:09] <ogra> ah, i read that instead of what first
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[02:09] <juliux> ogra, \sh wants to drink with us
[02:10] <ogra> yup
[02:11] <ogra> \shalways wants to drink :)
[02:11] <juliux> hehe
[02:11] <juliux> every picture from \sh is with a beer in a hand
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[02:23] <juliux> hi Yagisan 
[02:24] <Yagisan> G'day juliux
=== Yagisan is happy - just received some more pc hardware from ebay
=== Yagisan just needs 1 more NIC + 2 power supplies then he has 5 pc's
=== juliux is happy, yesterday comes the conference pack
[02:27] <juliux> Yagisan, i also want to have so much pc
[02:28] <Yagisan> juliux: well, they are a p2 233Mhz, p2 300Mhz, K6/2 333Mhz, Duron 850Mhz, and Athlon64 2Ghz
[02:29] <Yagisan> juliux: not exactly powerful boxes, but good enough for my ltsp setup
[02:29] <juliux> Yagisan, i have here "only" a pentium M 740, athlon xp 2400+ and one p3 500mhz but in a broken notebook
[02:31] <Yagisan> juliux: I don't throw my pc's, I keep repairing them until they die of overheating
[02:32] <Yagisan> juliux: I've had some of those pc's since around 1995
[02:32] <Yagisan> juliux: Although a few cpu's died and needed replacements from ebay
[02:32] <juliux> Yagisan, but i will try to get a room at the university where we can build a testnetwork
[02:33] <juliux> Yagisan, at the momten i try to get an old sparc from the university so i can test ubuntu/edubuntu at sparc!
[02:34] <ogra> heh, you'll have to hack a lot first ... ltsp doesnt support sparc at all
[02:34] <Yagisan> juliux: I'm trying to get powerpc box, I'd love a sparc too.
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[02:34] <juliux> ogra, but normal ubuntu
[02:34] <ogra> but Yagisan will be able to help, he already did the multiarch patch for us
[02:35] <juliux> ogra, at first i need the room and the computers
[02:35] <ogra> old sparcs are cheap, arent they ? 
[02:35] <juliux> ogra, but old sparcs have no cdrom
[02:35] <ogra> what for ? if you run ltsp
[02:35] <juliux> ogra, edubunntu on server!
[02:35] <Yagisan> juliux: does it netboot ?
[02:35] <juliux> Yagisan, i have never seen a spar yet
[02:36] <juliux> Yagisan, but i want so play with a sparc
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[02:36] <juliux> ogra, what i want is that there is a room where students could play with a network
[02:36] <ogra> juliux, http://librarian.launchpad.net/1181648/anysystem_1871_8487500_hacker.png
[02:36] <ogra> rthats a nice sparc :)
[02:36] <Yagisan> sparc - that is "vintage" computers on ebay right ?
[02:37] <ogra> yup
[02:37] <ogra> most of them at least ... indeed you can buy new ones for $100000 if you like ;)
[02:38] <juliux> ogra, no student has the location to build up a network, so i thin would be great if there is a room where you have a network and server to play with
[02:38] <Yagisan> ogra: If It costs more the $50au I'm not getting one soon
[02:38] <juliux> ogra, and old hardware is enough at the university
[02:38] <ogra> i think you can get sparc I or II for $50
[02:39] <ogra> (US though)
[02:40] <Yagisan> I only see a microsparc on ebay.com.au ATM
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[02:52] <ogra> Yagisan, http://cgi.ebay.de/SGI-Origin3200-Origin-3000-Silicon-Graphics-Server_W0QQitemZ5834023117QQcategoryZ8074QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[02:52] <ogra> thats the right thing for home :)
[02:54] <Yagisan> ogra: is that 25 euros or 2500 euros ? And it would look sweet next to my desk
[02:55] <ogra> thats 25 but still 8 days to go
[02:55] <ogra> i guess you can buy it around 1000 in the end
[02:55] <ogra> <-- big SGI fan
[02:56] <Yagisan> the shipping to Aus would kill me
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[02:58] <mhz> hi
[02:59] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[02:59] <mhz> Yagisan: hi , Mr. gifted
[02:59] <Yagisan> ogra: can we get Debian/Ubuntu on a cray ?
[03:00] <ogra> no idea, but its MIPS based ... 
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[03:00] <ogra> so it might work
[03:00] <ogra> Yagisan, not with your changes yet... they are blocked in my branch by ldm fixes
[03:01] <Yagisan> so, how useful would a cray be as an edubuntu server ?
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[03:02] <ogra> lol
[03:02] <mhz> ogra: remember any key word for your diagrams on network layout (client-server)?
[03:02] <ogra> i doubt you can find any of them for sale
[03:02] <ogra> mhz, ?
[03:02] <mhz> ogra: the ones you wikied about 2 months ago, very cool drwaings
[03:02] <ogra> ah
[03:02] <ogra> EdubuntuWiring
[03:02] <mhz> okidoki
=== mhz never thought og such 'wiring' word
[03:03] <mhz> ogra: do you think that name is appropriate?
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[03:03] <ogra> Yagisan, crays are out of business way to long ... they are at a stage where the prices already rise again
[03:04] <ogra> mhz, yup
[03:04] <mhz> ogra: how about EdubuntuNetworkPictures or EdubuntuNetworkLayout?
[03:04] <ogra> thats why i choose it
[03:04] <Yagisan> the duron 850 just needs a power supply and then I can tinker with that
[03:04] <Yagisan> mhz: wiring is correct network terminology
[03:04] <mhz> EdubuntuNetworkWiring?
[03:04] <ogra> EdubuntuLtspWiring probably
[03:04] <Yagisan> ogra: but the leather cover is so nice :)
[03:05] <mhz> ogra: yup!
[03:05] <ogra> Yagisan, the one of crays ? 
[03:05] <mhz> ogra: thx. I'll add Ltsp part
[03:05] <ogra> but keep the old page, its liked from some places afaik
[03:05] <ogra> s/page/mane/
[03:05] <Yagisan> ogra: yep - some of the crays had a nice leather cover
[03:06] <ogra> *name
[03:06] <ogra> yup... like a sofa
[03:07] <mhz> ogra: sure, I'll just place #redirect from your page to EdubuntuLtspWiring
[03:07] <Yagisan> IIRC there is a cray in "Sneakers"
[03:07] <ogra> yup
[03:07] <mhz> so, everyone should get notified and also redirected
[03:14] <juliux> mhz, hi
[03:14] <juliux> mhz, who far are the cd/dvd labels?
[03:15] <juliux> s/who/how
[03:15] <mhz> juliux: hi. I am terribly sorry, man
[03:15] <juliux> mhz, ok
[03:15] <juliux> mhz, no problem
[03:15] <mhz> juliux: yesterday i forgot a very important meeting and I run
[03:15] <mhz> when I got here, I saw a note from Pablo saying he'll do it tiday :(
[03:15] <mhz> today
[03:16] <mhz> but so far he hasn't shoed up :(
[03:16] <mhz> showed
[03:16] <mhz> juliux: it is a problem
[03:16] <mhz> because I said you were gonna have it yesterday at 19:00
[03:16] <mhz> and so I suppose you made arrangamente based on that shcedule
[03:18] <juliux> mhz, i need them until the first of december
[03:18] <juliux> mhz, so there is some time
[03:18] <mhz> duh!
[03:18] <juliux> left
[03:18] <mhz> so you don't want me to kick his butt?
[03:19] <juliux> mhz,  i dont't want to kick anybody how make some work in his freetime
[03:20] <mhz> hehhe
[03:21] <juliux> mhz, but is woudl be greate if i/we have it next week
[03:21] <Yagisan> k, no kicking, but is slapping ok ?
[03:21] <juliux> Yagisan, no
[03:21] <mhz> free time is ok. But commitments are comitments. Now, of course it is a relief that you do not need them urgently, but what if you had needed them urgently?
[03:21] <Yagisan> :-P
[03:21] <mhz> :D
[03:21] <mhz> pouring lemon juice on his eyes, then?
[03:22] <mhz> any kind of suffering allowed?
[03:22] <Yagisan> vinegar ?
[03:22] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:22] <juliux> so now i am going to my salsa lesson
[03:22] <juliux> cu later
[03:22] <mhz> juliux dances slasa!
[03:22] <mhz> juliux dances salsa!
[03:22] <Yagisan> Running off with the loo paper
[03:22] <mhz> juliux dances salsa!
[03:22] <Yagisan> ?
[03:22] <mhz> juliux dances salsa!
[03:22] <Yagisan> mhz: EKBD ?
[03:22] <juliux> mhz, where is your problem?
[03:22] <mhz> c ya, juliux 
[03:23] <mhz> no problem at all, I was singing and old song part
[03:23] <mhz> "everybody salsa!"
[03:23] <mhz> "everybody salsa!"
[03:23] <Yagisan> juliux: enjoy your dance lesson
[03:23] <mhz> and it does feel wired a german geek dancing salsa :)
[03:23] <mhz> unless he were from latinamerica
[03:24] <mhz> I mean, I am surprised, that;s all
[03:24] <mhz> good for you
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[03:24] <mhz> move your body
[03:24] <mhz> Yagisan: hehehe
[03:24] <Yagisan> salsa - isn't that a dip for my corn chips :)
[03:24] <mhz> lol
[03:24] <Yagisan> lets see, tomatoes
[03:25] <Yagisan> capsicum
[03:25] <Yagisan> what else ?
[03:25] <mhz> :)
[03:25] <mhz> soya?
[03:25] <mhz> chocolate?
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[03:25] <mhz> vanilla?
[03:25] <Yagisan> nah - some chilli pepers
[03:25] <mhz> red hot?
[03:26] <Yagisan> well I can *drink* tabasco sauce, so yep
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[03:30] <mhz> Yagisan: we dont have chilli pepers in Chile, unless you are talking about 'aji' (aka 'chile', in Mexico). We do have red hot 'aji'
[03:30] <mhz> which is extremely hot
[03:30] <mhz> esp. the tiny yellowish things
[03:30] <mhz> in the inside
[03:30] <Yagisan> mhz: the seeds ?
[03:30] <mhz> oh, yup!
[03:31] <Yagisan> yep - the seeds are hot, but nice :)
[03:31] <mhz> those little deamons
[03:31] <ogra> oh, seeds that reminds me ...
[03:31] <Yagisan> that will flush your pipes out quick smart !
[03:31] <mhz> ?
[03:31] <mhz> hehehehehe
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[03:31] <mhz> ogra: LOL
[03:33] <mhz> Yagisan: this Chilean 'aji seeds' make you sweat a lot, turn your face red, your eyes look different, the veins near your eyes and nose are seen, and you definately wish for gallons of water
[03:33] <mhz> and, you pray not to caugh
[03:35] <Yagisan> mhz: so it is like drinking tabasco sauce then
[03:36] <mhz> probably
=== mhz has never tried that souce
=== mhz has never tried that sauce
[03:36] <mhz> Yagisan: you speak "autralian english"?
[03:37] <mhz> Yagisan: you speak "australian english"?
[03:37] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[03:37] <mhz> oh, thx
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[03:38] <Yagisan> souce == programming code, sauce == what you put on dead cow
[03:38] <mhz> :)
[03:38] <Yagisan> moo
[03:38] <mhz> lol
[03:39] <Yagisan> mhz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabasco_sauce
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[03:47] <mhz> Yagisan: did you read my email on EduPoints?
[03:47] <Yagisan> mhz: When did you send it ?
[03:49] <mhz> to edubunut-devel ML, Tuesday or Wed, I gues
[03:49] <mhz> +s
[03:52] <Yagisan> mhz: not yet. I've been preparing to switch to gmane, so I'm not on all the mailing lists anymore
[03:52] <mhz> okis
[03:53] <mhz> Have you seen/read about EdubuntuStudyPackages?
[03:55] <Yagisan> mhz: nope
[03:55] <mhz> okis
[03:56] <Yagisan> mhz: study packages may be harder then you think, because of different curriculum's in different states/countries
[03:57] <mhz> hence we could define them like edu-study-cl-math.deb
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[04:01] <Yagisan> mhz: I have noticed from personal experience that eg New South Wales, and Queensland, both do the same subject
[04:01] <Yagisan> mhz: but focus on different aspects
[04:03] <mhz> oh
[04:03] <mhz> then, see? we need that input and opinions so we can define how to do it
[04:03] <mhz> the idea is good. How to do it... not clear
[04:04] <Yagisan> mhz: I was a student in both states - It was not pleasant transferring mid year for the year 10 exams!
[04:06] <mhz> hehehe
[04:06] <mhz> who would
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[05:03] <Yagisan> night all
[05:03] <ogra> ciao Yagisan 
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[05:07] <mhz> Yagisan: nite
[05:07] <mhz> ogra: do you have Jeff (jdub) email?
[05:08] <ogra> jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com should work
[05:14] <mhz> okis
[05:15] <mhz> ogra: so, when JaneW asked "who will own it" (regarding StudyPackages), did she mean who will be held responsible for its development? If so, does that mean I am? if so, what are my responsibilities?
[05:16] <ogra> make sure its ready in time poke people to work on it, or di it yourself etc ...
[05:18] <mhz> can you please re-prhase that?
[05:19] <ogra> you are the "manager" of the task and are responsible for having it ready in the estimated timeframe 
[05:19] <ogra> (if you own it)
[05:20] <ogra> i for example "own" edubuntus technical part ... 
[05:24] <mhz> ogra: i have a couple of questions, will you be arounf in 30 mins? (family needs)
[05:24] <ogra> mhz, probably
[05:24] <mhz> thx
[06:11] <juliux> re
[06:12] <juliux> mhz, we have now the printer so we can start testing
[06:13] <highvolt1ge> ogra: hi there. what's your people.ubuntu address again? or more specifically, where can i get teachertool?
[06:13] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/
[06:14] <highvolt1ge> thanks
[06:14] <ogra> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ if you are eager :)
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[06:35] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know why ubuntu 5.10 has a filesize limit of 2GB?
[06:35] <ogra> has it ? 
[06:35] <ogra> thats news to me
[06:36] <highvoltage> if i tar a big bunch of stuff to an ext3 or reiserfs volumt over smb i get a message "File size limit exceeded"
[06:37] <ogra> hmm, probably a smb restriction you can adjust
[06:37] <ogra> i have 5GB DVD isos here ...
[06:37] <highvoltage> it's strange, i remember making big tarbals in hoary all the time. this is the first time i did it with breezy, and it just doesn't want to go big.
[06:37] <highvoltage> weird.
[06:37] <ogra> does it work locally ? 
[06:38] <ogra> i dont use smb anywhere
[06:39] <ogra> oh, it might be necessary that you use cifs and not smb.. i heard something about smb being obsolete iirc
[06:44] <juliux> mhz, do you have the edubuntu cd label as an jpg or png ?
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[06:52] <highvoltage> ogra: i think you're right. i just dd'd a 3GB file from /dev/zero and it worked fine
[06:53] <ogra> juliux, just export it from inkscape 
[06:53] <ogra> and dont do it below 300dpi resolution, else it'll look odd ...
[06:53] <juliux> ogra, i have found a png but not the svg
[06:53] <ogra> the svg should be on the wiki
[06:54] <juliux> ogra, the link is broken
[06:54] <ogra> oh
[06:54] <juliux> i can only download the pngs
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[08:10] <lucasvo> hi there
[08:11] <lucasvo> anybody looked at gcompris? it is quite fun :D
[08:12] <blue-frog> lucasvo, hi, did u get what i wrote u about user login and clients few days ago?
[08:12] <lucasvo> blue-frog: no
[08:13] <blue-frog> are u still looking to know how to know what user is logged on what client?
[08:13] <lucasvo> blue-frog: ogra already began to write an application, I wanted to
[08:13] <lucasvo> blue-frog: it is ok
[08:36] <mhz> re
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[08:36] <mhz> lucasvo: I have tried gcompris
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[08:40] <juliux> mhz, hi
[08:40] <juliux> mhz, i have now a printer
[08:40] <mhz> juliux: cool
[08:40] <mhz> juliux: Pablo still "missing"
[08:41] <mhz> iirc, Pablo had exams today at university
[08:41] <juliux> ok
[08:42] <mhz> juliux: regarding the last svg versions, indeed they are in the "older" wiki page version (the page name was EdubuntuCdCoverAndSlip, iirc)
[08:43] <mhz> juliux: and as you well pointed, the name cover was not accurate, I changed it for 'lable' but have not moved svg's there as they are being changed
[08:44] <juliux> mhz, ok
[08:44] <juliux> mhz, i will play here with the png
[08:45] <mhz> ogra: re 'owning'... so, you say I have soem responsibilities regardng 'time frames'. Which time frame? Should I start a new group in Launchpad?
[08:45] <mhz> soem = some
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[09:18] <lucasvo> mhz: it is quite good for small children
[09:20] <mhz> indeed
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[09:20] <mhz> there are more options as well
[09:20] <Phoul> I use ubuntu but whats edubuntu?
[09:21] <mhz> lucasvo: Childsplay is almost forgoten but it has some interesting stuff too
[09:21] <mhz> Phoul: edubuntu = ubuntu + LTSP envoronment + applications for education
[09:21] <Phoul> ?...
[09:21] <mhz> environment
[09:21] <Phoul> Uhh
[09:22] <Phoul> Whats the diffrence then?
[09:22] <Phoul> Like school stuff?
[09:22] <bdoin> lucasvo: what is quite good for small children ?
[09:22] <mhz> Edubuntu is targeted to help teachers and student by providing IT tools for the learning processes
[09:22] <lucasvo> bdoin: gcompris
[09:23] <Phoul> mmmmm im learning ubuntu should i get it?
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[09:23] <lucasvo> Phoul: it is almost the same as ubuntu
[09:23] <mhz> not necesarily, unless needed.
[09:23] <mhz> Phoul: take a look at..
[09:23] <Phoul> Why would you need it tho?...
[09:23] <mhz> gimme a sec
[09:23] <Phoul> k
[09:24] <lucasvo> Phoul: but it provides configuration for terminal-server(ltsp) and some preinstalled educational software
[09:24] <bdoin> lucasvo: thanks, I am the author ;)
[09:24] <mhz> Phoul: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[09:24] <lucasvo> bdoin: ah
[09:24] <lucasvo> bdoin: it crashed already once :(
[09:24] <mhz> Phoul: all that sw can also be installed by you, manually
[09:24] <Phoul> all that sw?
[09:24] <lucasvo> bdoin: but I can't reproduce it
[09:24] <bdoin> lucasvo: bugs are mine :/
[09:25] <Phoul> Whats sw
[09:25] <bdoin> do you use it at school ?
[09:25] <lucasvo> bdoin: not anymore :D
[09:25] <mhz> Phoul: and if you ever need LTSP environment (to recycle PC's or because you have a computer lab), then you can also add that to your current Ubuntu installation
[09:25] <mhz> Phoul: software
[09:25] <lucasvo> bdoin: no, was just looking for software for education
[09:25] <lucasvo> http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=49
[09:25] <Phoul> Well i was wrong...
[09:26] <Phoul> Because i thought it was a step to learning ubuntu better like advanced
[09:26] <Phoul> I guess it would be a step backwards...
[09:26] <mhz> Phoul: many teachers prefer to have an 'out of the box' educational IT environement.. Edubuntu is what they want
[09:26] <blue-frog> bdoin, haven't had time to check bugs sry, are u aware of a bug(?) in geography where moving the cursor above europe stops all sounds?
[09:26] <lucasvo> Phoul: it is no step, it has just some installed apps you don't need
[09:26] <Phoul> mhz im not a teacher im 14 lol
[09:26] <mhz> Phoul: what you need to learn about ubuntu?
[09:27] <mhz> Phoul: hhehehe, no problem
[09:27] <Phoul> I wanna learn about it like i got it 2 days ago and i came over from suse/fc4
[09:27] <mhz> Phoul: LTSP "protocol" is good for recycling computers at home or even for CyberCafes
[09:28] <Phoul> mhz why would i recycle a computor like do you mean totaly wipe it?
[09:28] <mhz> Phoul: Ubuntu is a linux distro, yes. The target is to provide almost "piece of cake" interaction
[09:28] <Phoul> I know its a linux distro lol
[09:29] <mhz> Phoul: there is no need to throw away a 1998 PC
[09:29] <Phoul> But i just wanna learn about linux a bit more and ubuntu because it seems like a great system just im not used to .debs and no rpms
[09:29] <Phoul> :P
[09:29] <mhz> many OSes force you to upgrades
[09:29] <bdoin> blue-frog: yep, it's fixed.
[09:30] <bdoin> blue-frog: should be fixed in 7.1.1
[09:30] <mhz> Phoul: for the software admin, dont worry. Use Synaptics and your are ok
[09:30] <Phoul> Good lol :P
[09:30] <Phoul> Ummm so whats sup ups about ubuntu
[09:30] <Phoul> I have read very littl
[09:30] <Phoul> e
[09:30] <Phoul> Like why would people call it better then say suse or fc4 or even debian
[09:31] <mhz> personal opinions are just personal. :) EVeryone will tell you diff 'truths'
[09:31] <Phoul> well whats yours?
[09:32] <mhz> I like Ubuntu because it is based on Debian. Then, I also like it because just like debian, it is well supported and because I can "evangelise" using merchandising products they send you home so you can show ubuntu to your firends
[09:33] <Phoul> :)
[09:33] <Phoul> I just bought the trucker hat and sweater :P
[09:33] <mhz> Also, I like Ubuntu because there are lots to do in the community
[09:33] <mhz> Phoul: wow! congrats! I have no clothing yet
[09:33] <Phoul> :P
[09:34] <Phoul> Uhh im wondering tho...
[09:34] <Phoul> Will synaptic ever have a version of E17 in it?
[09:34] <Phoul> Because e16 sucks...
[09:34] <mhz> I like Ubuntu because of what it means "i am who I am because of what we all are"
[09:35] <Phoul> What WM do you use?
[09:35] <mhz> Phoul: don't know. YOu could ask in #ubuntu :)
[09:35] <Phoul> And will there ever be a e17 relese?
[09:35] <Phoul> Lol
[09:35] <mhz> or #ubuntu-devel
[09:35] <mhz> i guess so
[09:35] <Phoul> what WM do you use?
[09:35] <mhz> and if not yet, then jump up and join the devel-team, and help them get the e17 ready!
[09:35] <mhz> :D
[09:36] <Phoul> How do i get into that room?
[09:36] <Phoul> Like whats the room name?
[09:36] <mhz> 99% of the times, i always get back to WindowMaker and Fluxbox
[09:36] <Phoul> hehehe
[09:36] <Phoul> I like fluxbox
[09:36] <Phoul> :P
[09:36] <mhz> are you using XChat?
[09:36] <Phoul> Im on gnome right now tho
[09:36] <Phoul> And yes im on xchat but whats the room name?
[09:36] <Phoul> ubuntu-devel?
[09:36] <mhz> just type /join #ubuntu
[09:37] <Phoul> Im talking about the ubuntu devel room
[09:37] <Phoul> I know how to use IRC
[09:37] <Phoul> ><
[09:37] <mhz> or /join #ubuntu-devel
[09:37] <mhz> but that's the name of the room
[09:37] <mhz> oh, you made it :D
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[10:20] <mhz> ogra: re 'owning'... so, you say I have soem responsibilities regardng 'time frames'. Which time frame? Should I start a new group in Launchpad?
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