[12:03] <Knowerrors> so you have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed on the same box
[12:04] <kkathman> frank23: thats ok...perfectly normal in fact
[12:05] <dareboy> how do u get limewire
[12:05] <nalioth> dareboy: i'll ask ubotu to send it again
[12:05] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dareboy about restricted
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[12:06] <dareboy> wat do i do
[12:07] <frank23> Knowerrors: actually no, I sort of ripped out the ubuntu only packages after installing kubuntu if I remember correctly
[12:07] <nalioth> dareboy: you go to the page ubotu sent you to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:07] <Knowerrors> dinner time, peace and ubuntu :)
[12:08] <dareboy> i no but that is wat it said
[12:08] <dareboy> the page does not exsist
[12:09] <nalioth> dareboy: i just looked at the page.
[12:13] <dareboy> this is wat it says
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[12:14] <Mars_^> Hi
[12:14] <Mars_^> I have question
[12:16] <Mars^> Hi
[12:16] <Mars^> I have completly noob qyestion
[12:16] <Mars^> is it possible to run 32 bit ubuntu version on 64 ?
[12:17] <apachelogger> should be ... though I haven't tried
[12:17] <Mitja> Is there a way in konsole to add Universe repository to apt-get?
[12:18] <apokryphos> Mitja: yes, use nano and edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <Mitja> apokryphos: thx
[12:19] <apachelogger> apokryphos: what's nano?
[12:19] <apokryphos> apachelogger: free Pico clone
[12:19] <apokryphos> apachelogger: CLI editor
[12:20] <apachelogger> ah
[12:20] <apachelogger> thx :-)
[12:21] <Mitja> apokryphos: will it automatically refer to them after I save the file or do I have to rebuild something?
[12:21] <apokryphos> Mitja: if you uncommented the respective lines in the file, then save and close it, then sudo apt-get update
[12:21] <Mitja> apokryphos: ok, I thought so :)
[12:22] <Mitja> hmmm, still ktorrent is not there...
[12:25] <Mitja> I just went through a process of installing ktorrent. I had to (I like it, don't get me wrong) install several libs for the app to work. Is there an automatic way to do this?
[12:26] <Mitja> I hear apt-get takes care of dependencies, but I don't know how to use it in such case.
[12:29] <l3m> Mitja: sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[12:29] <l3m> and everything goes automatically
[12:29] <Mitja> l3m: nah, didn't work
[12:29] <l3m> error?
[12:29] <Mitja> l3m couldn't find package
[12:29] <Mitja> still now when it's already installed :)
[12:30] <l3m> Mitja: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:30] <l3m> there you can click yourself a reasonable sources.list
[12:30] <Mitja> is it safe to mix ubuntu and kubuntu ?
[12:30] <l3m> download it, copy it to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update. 
[12:30] <l3m> it's the same. yes it's safe
[12:31] <Mitja> l3m: k, thanks
[12:34] <TROGDOR42> w00t kubuntu
[12:36] <Niklas-of-Vienna> hi
[12:36] <TROGDOR42> hi
[12:39] <martin> i have been using kubuntu for about 12h now and i most say that i didnt thought it should be so damn good
[12:39] <apachelogger> Niklas-of-Vienna: ah, vienna, awesome ;-)
[12:39] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, kubuntu is sexy.
[12:39] <martin> indeed ;)
[12:39] <TROGDOR42> I've tried SuSE, Mandriva...
[12:40] <TROGDOR42> Failed to install gentoo and wiped out my entire hard drive by mistake
[12:40] <Fillado> oops
[12:40] <TROGDOR42> Also failed to install Debian.
[12:40] <TROGDOR42> But with debian there was no real loss.
[12:40] <Niklas-of-Vienna> ive been using kubuntu for one month, love it
[12:41] <martin> i have tried fedora, mandriva and gentoo but i didnt like any of them either
[12:41] <Niklas-of-Vienna> im spending lots of time discovering ne things
[12:41] <TROGDOR42> Did you succeed at the install of gentoo?
[12:41] <TROGDOR42> Man that install's a biatch
[12:41] <martin> yes but it took about 10h :)
[12:41] <Niklas-of-Vienna> apachelogger: where are you from?
[12:42] <TROGDOR42> lol
[12:42] <martin> yup i failed alot of times with gentoo
[12:42] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[12:42] <TROGDOR42> I will get it eventually, I hope.
[12:42] <martin> u will
[12:43] <TROGDOR42> I want to get Slackware, but I've heard it doesn't bother to calculate dependencies.
[12:43] <TROGDOR42> I don't really need that
[12:43] <martin> btw where u guys from?
[12:43] <TROGDOR42> Anybody know when the KDE 3.5 release of Dapper Drake will come out?
[12:44] <TROGDOR42> I'm dying to try 3.5
[12:45] <kkathman> Dapper will be out in about 5 months
[12:45] <kkathman> or so
[12:45] <l3m> ubotu: tell TROGDOR42 about kde3.5
[12:45] <kkathman> KDE 3.5 is available as an RC
[12:45] <kkathman> but its still pretty buggy
[12:45] <TROGDOR42> I'd imagine
[12:46] <kkathman> Breezy was just released, and ubuntu is on a 6- month release cycle roughly
[12:46] <TROGDOR42> I mean the Dapper beta testy thing
[12:46] <kkathman> oh you can use Dapper now if you want
[12:46] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, but for KDE 3.5.  I'm just too darn lazy to go through the whole wget thing
[12:47] <TROGDOR42> It asks for a password and I dont' know what to put
[12:47] <kkathman> but you'd probably only want to use it if you want to be an early tester, cuz its at that stage where its kinda a mush
[12:47] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, you're probably right
[12:47] <kkathman> if you want kde 3.5 go to kde.org
[12:48] <kkathman> but just keep in mind its very rough
[12:48] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[12:48] <apokryphos> kkathman: why kde.org?
[12:48] <TROGDOR42> That's kde's official site is it not?
[12:48] <kkathman> apokryphos:  uhm... well figure kde....kde.org...a good site right?
[12:48] <kkathman> lol
[12:49] <apokryphos> kkathman: for getting 3.5 probably not, no
[12:49] <apokryphos> kubuntu.org will point you in the direction quicker
[12:49] <kkathman> ??
[12:49] <kkathman> so you are telling me that kde.org wouldnt be the place you'd want to download kde ??? lol
[12:49] <TROGDOR42> What password do you put when it asks for one
[12:49] <TROGDOR42> With that Jonathan Riddell Key thing
[12:50] <martin> which relative new commercial games are playable under linux without emulation?
[12:50] <kkathman> next thing you know, the best place to get CNN news is NBC.com
[12:50] <kkathman> lol
[12:50] <TROGDOR42> lol
[12:50] <apokryphos> kkathman: it won't tell you what to put in sources.list, no
[12:50] <kkathman> ok
[12:50] <kkathman> shrug
[12:51] <apokryphos> TROGDOR42: no password; it doesn't ask for one
[12:51] <TROGDOR42> It did for me...
[12:51] <apokryphos> TROGDOR42: did you run the exact command it tells you to?
[12:51] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, copied and pasted
[12:52] <apokryphos> TROGDOR42: can you pastebin the exact terminal output with the command?
[12:52] <TROGDOR42> Not now, i'm kind of... in... erm...
[12:52] <TROGDOR42> This is embarressing.
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> windoze.  *goes away and cries*
[12:53] <apokryphos> you can say it
[12:53] <apokryphos> gnome
[12:53] <apokryphos> heh
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> No, i can't stand gnome
[12:53] <apokryphos> TROGDOR42: why would you not be able to pastebin from there?
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> i'm in windows
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> I can reboot though
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> I probably should.
[12:53] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:53] <TROGDOR42> I'm not using windows for anything anyway
[12:54] <apokryphos> oh, you mean you have two computers there?
[12:54] <martin> maybe dualboot
[12:54] <TROGDOR42> I dualboot
[12:54] <TROGDOR42> But I do have a Linux box
[12:54] <TROGDOR42> it's a crappy laptop
[12:55] <apokryphos> ok, try the command again later :P
[12:55] <TROGDOR42> Amazing how much Linux speeds it up.
[12:56] <TROGDOR42> People tell me that everybody starts Linux with either Gnome or KDE then switches over to KDE if they use Gnome then switch back to Gnome later
[12:56] <TROGDOR42> But i can't imagine switching to Gnome
[12:56] <apokryphos> I've only ever heard of a few cases of that
[12:56] <apokryphos> I imagine it's pretty rare
[12:56] <TROGDOR42> Really?
[12:56] <TROGDOR42> I know two people at school who did that
[12:56] <apokryphos> well, of course
[12:57] <apokryphos> KDE is far more popular than gnome, remember
[12:57] <apokryphos> (developer and user-wise)
[12:58] <TROGDOR42> I don't remember... Having been a Linux user since late September
[12:58] <TROGDOR42> I started with Ubuntu and it didn't work, so i moved on to Mandriva
[12:58] <TROGDOR42> Then SuSE, then Kubuntu
[12:58] <apokryphos> haven't used Mandriva in over a year, so don't remember it too much.
[12:59] <apokryphos> SuSE is a great distro, as is Kubuntu
[12:59] <TROGDOR42> SuSE is great, but it seemed a little slow and it didn't work the way I prefered.
[12:59] <apokryphos> I find it slightly slower too. The polish it has is very impressive however
[01:00] <TROGDOR42> Polish like the language or polish like polish?
[01:00] <apokryphos> polish like polish
[01:00] <TROGDOR42> Ah
[01:00] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, I agree there
[01:00] <apokryphos> very many convenientisms; very usable
[01:00] <TROGDOR42> Yup
[01:00] <apokryphos> its repositories are however an issue
[01:00] <apokryphos> especially if you come from anything debian-based :D
[01:01] <apokryphos> well, I don't like its whole package management system *that* much either :P. Apt is nice.
[01:01] <apokryphos> yes, I know you can use apt with it too 8)
[01:02] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[01:03] <Kiseonik> Hello. Any way to install Kubuntu to a loop-mounted file from the CD?
[01:04] <bettse> How do I set my timezone in kubuntu?
[01:04] <bettse> !google timezone kubunt
[01:04] <ubotu> bettse: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:05] <TROGDOR42> Hey are Nvidia graphics cards good in Linux?
[01:06] <apokryphos> very much so, yes
[01:06] <Kiseonik> yup
[01:06] <apokryphos> nvidia=good; ati=evil
[01:06] <TROGDOR42> Good, my ATi blows in Linux.
[01:06] <TROGDOR42> Is it easy to get the drivers?
[01:06] <apokryphos> yes; ones from the repos are great
[01:07] <Kiseonik> what about the oficial drivers?
[01:08] <l3m> it's the same drivers, just different packaging
[01:08] <TROGDOR42> Packages are fun!
[01:08] <l3m> therefore, use the (k)ubuntu ones 
[01:08] <l3m> hehe
[01:08] <l3m> !nvidia
[01:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[01:09] <l3m> alternatively, you can roll your own drivers using m-a: sudo m-a a-i nvidia. you need module-assistant installed though
[01:09] <Kiseonik> hmm
[01:10] <Kiseonik> would it hurt much to install the official driver package though?
[01:10] <TROGDOR42> ati's fglrx doesn't help at all.
[01:11] <l3m> Kiseonik: no, but it doesn't get you anything 
[01:12] <l3m> Kiseonik: why do you want to install the official drivers? 
[01:12] <Kiseonik> What do you mean it doesn't get you anything?
[01:12] <Kiseonik> Why not?
[01:12] <l3m> Kiseonik: it's the same driver
[01:12] <l3m> identical byte by byte
[01:12] <l3m> it's just differently ( more conveniently ) packaged if you use apt-get 
[01:13] <Kiseonik> Is it more convinient because you could issue one command and it will be installed?
[01:13] <l3m> exactly
[01:13] <l3m> Kiseonik: and also uninstalled
[01:13] <Kiseonik> Why would I want to uninstall the drivers? :D
[01:14] <l3m> Kiseonik: new drivers? new kernel? 
[01:14] <Kiseonik> does it also patch the broken glxext.h?
[01:14] <Kiseonik> New kernel, reinstall driver :)
[01:15] <l3m> Kiseonik: well, if you use the official packages it should update the driver automatically, since it will just installed the updated linux-modules-restricted as wsell
[01:15] <Kiseonik> What is linux-modules-restricted?
[01:15] <TROGDOR42> Does it bother anybody else that Firefox doesn't come with Kubuntu?
[01:16] <l3m> Kiseonik: the package which includes the nvidia driver
[01:16] <Kiseonik> TROGDOR42: you can just install it later on...
[01:16] <l3m> TROGDOR42: no. Konqueror is way better than firefox anyway ;)
[01:16] <l3m> TROGDOR42: and if you still want it it takes 20 seconds to install it
[01:16] <TROGDOR42> I installed it later
[01:17] <Kiseonik> Why is that package 'restricted'?
[01:17] <TROGDOR42> But Konqueror doesn't have extensions... and I'm used to Firefox
[01:17] <l3m> Kiseonik: licensing.. nvidia uses a closed source kernel module
[01:17] <l3m> binary kernel module
[01:18] <Kiseonik> I am aware of that fact. Does this package also include other drivers?
[01:18] <l3m> Kiseonik: i think, i'm not sure though
[01:18] <l3m> but i guess they'd have called it differently were nvidia the only module
[01:18] <l3m> ;)
[01:19] <Kiseonik> That's what I thought too.
[01:20] <Kiseonik> Anyway, what I'd love to know is, is there a way to install kubuntu in a loop-mounted filesystem.
[01:20] <TROGDOR42> Ehh.. what's a loop-mounted filesystem?
[01:21] <TROGDOR42> Ah, actually it looks like UbuntuGuide.org has that
[01:22] <TROGDOR42> It says Ubuntu but it works in Kubuntu too, like most other stuff on there
[01:24] <Kiseonik> I can't find anything relevant on there
[01:24] <TROGDOR42> You can't?
[01:24] <Kiseonik> nope
[01:24] <TROGDOR42> This isn't it: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofileswithoutburning
[01:25] <Kiseonik> yes, and that's not what I'm looking for
[01:26] <TROGDOR42> Ah, never mind.
[01:26] <Kiseonik> I'm trying to install Kubuntu ;)
[01:26] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, just use a different file
[01:26] <TROGDOR42> The Kubuntu ISO
[01:26] <TROGDOR42> What OS are you in now?
[01:26] <Kiseonik> linux
[01:27] <TROGDOR42> What distro?
[01:27] <Kiseonik> Slackware
[01:28] <TROGDOR42> I've always wondered how slackware is...
[01:28] <TROGDOR42> It doesn't have any GUI update stuff, right?
[01:28] <TROGDOR42> I don't see the point of that
[01:28] <Kiseonik> it does
[01:28] <TROGDOR42> It does?
[01:28] <TROGDOR42> How many discs does it need?
[01:28] <Kiseonik> there's a QT frontend to slapt-get
[01:29] <Kiseonik> 2, but there are 2 source disks
[01:29] <TROGDOR42> How many discs to install Slackware?
[01:29] <TROGDOR42> So that's 4?
[01:29] <Kiseonik> 2
[01:29] <TROGDOR42> huh?
[01:29] <TROGDOR42> what do you mean Source Disks?
[01:29] <Kiseonik> install disk 1, install disk 2
[01:29] <Kiseonik> disk 3 and 4 are just the disks with some extras and source tarballs
[01:30] <TROGDOR42> Can you just get those over the network?
[01:30] <TROGDOR42> Like a network update kind of thing?
[01:30] <Kiseonik> Yes, you can get the disk images via BitTorrent, http and ftp.
[01:30] <Kiseonik> you can even buy the disks.
[01:31] <TROGDOR42> No, I mean like... at the end of the installation just download the stuff on the extra disks instead of burning?
[01:31] <Kiseonik> you can install it if you have the packages on an nfs server
[01:31] <TROGDOR42> Oh
[01:32] <TROGDOR42> Ok, thanks
[01:32] <Kiseonik> you have slapt-get and swaret for that. plus just browse websites and download.
[01:32] <TROGDOR42> Ok.  thanks!
[01:32] <Kiseonik> slapt-get is kinda like apt-get
[01:32] <TROGDOR42> Ah
[01:32] <TROGDOR42> Is Slackware any faster than other distros, like say SUSE or Mandriva, or Kubuntu?
[01:33] <Kiseonik> :O
[01:33] <ljl> would would "faster" mean in this context
[01:33] <Kiseonik> faster? Well, yes. Install Kubuntu on a 400MHZ and slakcware on 2GHz
[01:33] <TROGDOR42> Like, boot-up time and load-time for programs
[01:33] <martin> haha
[01:33] <Kiseonik> :)
[01:33] <TROGDOR42> lol
[01:33] <ljl> i don't think you'll find any significant difference in programs load-time between distributions
[01:34] <DjDarkman> hy how do i set my pc to shutdown after a given time?
[01:34] <ljl> as for boot time, i don't think it's a reasonable criterion
[01:34] <TROGDOR42> I have a 3GHz (this comp) and a 451 laptop
[01:34] <ljl> DjDarkman: see /etc/crontab
[01:34] <Kiseonik> I got my slackware to boot in 45 seconds
[01:34] <TROGDOR42> nice
[01:34] <Kiseonik> but it took too long
[01:34] <ljl> DjDarkman: or, just type "sleep <number-of-seconds>; halt" in a root shell :)
[01:34] <Kiseonik> since my kernel has to do a SCSI reset on bootup
[01:35] <DjDarkman> k 10x
[01:35] <TROGDOR42> Somehow GRUB made my windows skip the loading screen and go to the login screen
[01:35] <martin> freedos is a damn fast OS ;)
[01:35] <TROGDOR42> I think that's what happened anyway
[01:35] <TROGDOR42> Did that happen to anybody else?
[01:36] <TROGDOR42> Windows suddenly loading fast...?
[01:36] <ljl> hmm not sure he realized it was number of *seconds* :)
[01:36] <Kiseonik> I used http://www.bootchart.org/ to see how long the system boots
[01:36] <ljl> interesting tool
[01:36] <apokryphos> TROGDOR42: you must be delusional
[01:36] <ljl> me, i'd rather not care about boottime and have a decent hibernation mode
[01:37] <Kiseonik> tbh, I don't care about boottime nor hibernaton mode
[01:37] <Kiseonik> I heard about the tool and was curious
[01:37] <TROGDOR42> lol, that's what happened! Windows just skips the annoying boot screen where the blue stuff goes across the screen
[01:37] <Kiseonik> Made a few nice looking graphs.
[01:37] <ljl> i do care about how long i need to wait before getting to type my password
[01:37] <ljl> but "standard" boot isn't the answer to that problem
[01:37] <Kiseonik> I take it you have a laptop :)
[01:38] <ljl> no, i don't
[01:38] <Kiseonik> ahh
[01:38] <ljl> but i don't leave my computer on all the time
[01:38] <Kiseonik> Neither do i
[01:38] <TROGDOR42> I hear some people do, that's gotta make a big electric bill
[01:38] <Kiseonik> indeed
[01:38] <ljl> well, *i* do, actually
[01:38] <ljl> but not *this* computer
[01:39] <ljl> my debian box is always on
[01:39] <Kiseonik> router?
[01:39] <ljl> sort of
[01:39] <Kiseonik> ahh
[01:39] <ljl> it's a bit of my "do everything" server
[01:39] <TROGDOR42> Debian somehow decided I wanted to install kernel 2.4 and both my computers hate 2.4.
[01:39] <Kiseonik> I left 2.4 years ago :)
[01:39] <ljl> and i can leave it on during the night, as it's not in my room and as such doesn't disturb me
[01:40] <ljl> i've switched to 2.6 some months ago on my debian
[01:40] <Kiseonik> The whine of the case and psu fans is sweet sweet music :D
[01:40] <ljl> fans? what fans? :)
[01:40] <TROGDOR42> I don't know, maybe I just checked the wrong box in the install or something
[01:40] <ljl> i'm running it underclocked with no fans ;)
[01:40] <Kiseonik> hah
[01:41] <ljl> 300MHz instead of 350MHz
[01:41] <Kiseonik> :O
[01:41] <TROGDOR42> Underclocked? I didn't know there was such thing... Never really thought about it though.
[01:41] <TROGDOR42> Why would you underclock?
[01:41] <ljl> because fans fail? :)
[01:41] <ljl> and i don't want to be waken up by an alarm at 5 am? ;)
[01:41] <carlos_unet> greetings from Venezuela 
[01:41] <TROGDOR42> Venezuela.  That's far.
[01:42] <ljl> depends, i guess
[01:42] <Kiseonik> I'm intruiged, how long does a 300MHz box take to boot :))
[01:42] <ljl> i suppose it's near venezuela at the very least
[01:42] <Hobbsee> greetings from Australia
[01:42] <TROGDOR42> Australia... even further.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:42] <Hobbsee> and raining
[01:42] <Hobbsee> bleck
[01:42] <ljl> Kiseonik: don't really know... it takes a long time lately, but i'm sure there's something timing out during boot... don't have a monitor, and never look at the logs ;)
[01:42] <Kiseonik> I hope for snow!
[01:43] <Hobbsee> heh...snow...none of that here, but further south there is...
[01:43] <TROGDOR42> lol I got snow this morning and hated it.
[01:43] <Kiseonik> hehe
[01:43] <ljl> Kiseonik: anyway, it's quite bearable. that box was actually my main box until like 4-5 months ago (when my debian box was a 166MHz)
[01:43] <ljl> "no snow there, but further south there is" <-- now that's a sentence that sounds weird to a northern-emispherian :)
[01:43] <Kiseonik> and to think my sister was complaining that her 1.4GHz athlon was slow...
[01:44] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[01:44] <Kiseonik> lol, true ljl 
[01:44] <ljl> (although, actually, there *is* snow in the south here while there is none in the north, but anyway)
[01:44] <TROGDOR42> Snow is overrated
[01:44] <Kiseonik> Snow is squishy!
[01:45] <TROGDOR42> Unless it's that powdery kind.  That stuff is weird
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ljl: hehe...it does
[01:45] <carlos_unet> hey ppl, have u tryed automatix?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> !automatix
[01:45] <ubotu> automatix is probably an application that automatically installs many popular programs, particularly the proprietary formats that don't ship with most distros by default. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[01:45] <TROGDOR42> No...
[01:45] <Hobbsee> nalioth: <carlos_unet> hey ppl, have u tryed automatix?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> carlos_unet: nalioth knows a lot about it
[01:47] <carlos_unet> Thx ppl! damn usefull!
[01:47] <carlos_unet> efficient!
[01:48] <TROGDOR42> Well, I should be rebooting now.
[01:48] <nalioth> Hobbsee: automatix can break ubuntu
[01:48] <TROGDOR42> Been using Windows for too long, needed to use Photoshop.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> tell carlos_unet that
[01:48] <Hobbsee> i wasnt the one who asked :)
[01:49] <Kiseonik> I want to install Kubuntu :|
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Kiseonik: yep
[01:50] <ljl> is there a script in kubuntu to make colds go away?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> hehe...i wish
[01:51] <Kiseonik> colds?
[01:51] <ljl> and then what about flu? i'd need one that does
[01:51] <ljl> autohealthix
[01:51] <Kiseonik> "Send a flushot." "Rabbit, flushot, someone talk to me!"
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ljl: apt-get moo
[01:51] <ljl> Hobbsee: i use aptitude, which doesn't have super cow powers ;P
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ah yes, but that has easter eggs too...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:52] <Hobbsee> you dont want super cow powers?
[01:52] <ljl> no, but mad cow powers would do
[01:52] <TROGDOR42> You needn't fear, for I am back!
[01:52] <ljl> hah, nice, the aptitude egg
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[01:53] <TROGDOR42> And, as a bonus, I'm in Linux!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[01:53] <Kiseonik> :)
[01:53] <TROGDOR42> :-D
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Kiseonik: when will you install kubuntu?
[01:54] <Kiseonik> I'm not even sure its possible :(
[01:54] <TROGDOR42> You don't have a cd burner/CDs?
[01:54] <ljl> ljl@ljlbox:~$ aptitude [etc]      What is it?  It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course.
[01:54] <Kiseonik> lol
[01:54] <ljl> now, i don't see why one wouldn't *use* such a program and prefer apt-get instead
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah
[01:54] <Kiseonik> I have image, i have burner, i have cds and I have a cd burnt already
[01:54] <TROGDOR42> So... Why can't you install?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> i prefer apt-get as well - although if i want the dependancies for something removed, then, and only then, will i use aptitude
[01:55] <Kiseonik> I have nowhere to install it to :(
[01:55] <ljl> Hobbsee: but you've gotta know in advance
[01:55] <binus> Does anybody know how to do NAT in shorewall, i was tried to configure it via webmin, but i am stuck :(  yesterday i tried configure via iptables and it doesn't work too :( does anyone have the script to easily configure it?
[01:55] <ljl> Hobbsee: otherwise, aptitude will have no clue, if the stuff you want removed was installed with apt-get...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ljl: what the dependancies are?  aptitude already knows what they are
[01:55] <Hobbsee> mmm....maybe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> oh well lol
[01:55] <ljl> Hobbsee: yeah but it doesn't know whether they were installed automatically
[01:55] <Hobbsee> probably true
[01:56] <ljl> i use apt-get on my debian box, 'cause aptitude is *slow* there
[01:56] <ljl> but here i don't need that couple of seconds saved :)
[01:57] <nalioth> ljl: aptitude can run checksums against all the installed programs 
[01:57] <TROGDOR42> Anybody know if Kopete is better than Gaim?
[01:58] <ljl> nalioth: nice, an anti-rootkit thing i suppose?
[01:58] <ljl> TROGDOR42: no, but emacs is definitely much better than vi
[01:58] <Hobbsee> i prefer kopete over gaim
[01:58] <Kiseonik> lol
[01:58] <nalioth> ljl: wrong word. aptitude can check the depends of all the programs it has been asked to work with
[01:58] <TROGDOR42> ljl:what does vi vs Emacs have to do with anything?
[01:59] <Kiseonik> flamebait? :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:59] <ljl> TROGDOR42: if you have to ask, you will never know :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> !start an editor war
[01:59] <ubotu> gedit is better than xemacs.
[01:59] <Kiseonik> lol
[01:59] <ljl> actually nano is better than both
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i prefer nano as well
[01:59] <TROGDOR42> lol
[01:59] <Kiseonik> I've used pico \o/
[01:59] <TROGDOR42> yay nano!
[01:59] <ljl> Kiseonik: me too
[02:00] <Hobbsee> or kwrite, if i really want to wait for another program to open
[02:00] <Kiseonik> kwrite is awesome
[02:00] <Kiseonik> so is vim in the compatibility mode
[02:00] <ljl> Hobbsee: in that case, you should use MS Word inside Wine, as trappist has instructed us yesterday
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ugh!
[02:00] <Kiseonik> haha
[02:00] <Hobbsee> if i want ms word, i'll boot to windows!
[02:01] <TROGDOR42> Who would want to PAY for office software!?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> which reminds me, i'll probably have to boot to that miserable crashing operating system today anyway, to print something
[02:01] <TROGDOR42> :(
[02:01] <vittorio> !w32codecs
[02:01] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[02:01] <ljl> the only problem is that it will turn your "creat"s into "create", i suppose, but you can disable auto-spelling
[02:01] <Hobbsee> office 97 was a nice office suite...
[02:01] <ljl> Hobbsee: can't print from linux?
[02:02] <TROGDOR42> He said his laserjet won't work
[02:02] <Kiseonik> w32codecs for mplayer?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ljl: my printer is a pain in the neck...
[02:02] <ljl> that'c uncool
[02:02] <Hobbsee> TROGDOR42: you rememeber back that far?  and it's a deskjet 500, and i'm female
[02:02] <TROGDOR42> Ah, sorry
[02:02] <Hobbsee> so you're 1/3 right lol
[02:02] <Hobbsee> no problems
[02:02] <binus> the problem of this shorewall setting, i can ping router from client of this kubuntu, but i can't ping internet :(
[02:03] <ljl> Hobbsee: but, linuxprinting says that printer's supported "perfectly"
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ljl: i might just end up printing to the computer connected via SMB in the other room
[02:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly, pity my machine never seems to find it
[02:03] <TROGDOR42> CUPS freezes whenever I try to configure my printer
[02:03] <TROGDOR42> It worked once, but I changed a setting and it flipped out
[02:03] <Hobbsee> eek
[02:04] <ljl> there's an easy solution, don't print ;) who needs stuff inked on a roll of tree?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> well, for street directions, i will
[02:04] <Hobbsee> unless i manually write them down
[02:05] <ljl> hmm i've got a gps for that ;)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> mmm...i wish
[02:05] <ljl> i paid it 100
[02:05] <ljl> i mean, the pda *and* the gps receiver
[02:05] <TROGDOR42> wow
[02:05] <ljl> both from ebay, and a pda with barely sufficient hardware... but it works. sometimes.
[02:05] <TROGDOR42> *googles how much 100 euros is in USD*
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe...sometimes
[02:06] <Hobbsee> TROGDOR42: in $au while you're at it, please!
[02:06] <TROGDOR42> lol
[02:06] <ljl> TROGDOR42: aaag stop this people,  = $! :-P
[02:06] <ljl> one euro is about 1.20 dollars
[02:06] <TROGDOR42> 100 Euros = 118 U.S. dollars
[02:06] <TROGDOR42> 100 Euros = 159.978308 Australian dollars
[02:06] <Hobbsee> nice!
[02:06] <Hobbsee> thanks TROGDOR42 
[02:06] <TROGDOR42> Yay google!
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <ljl> Hobbsee: hmm i would buy it, if it were not for the "08"
[02:07] <Hobbsee> http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html is a good converter - took me a bit to find it though...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> for the 08?
[02:07] <TROGDOR42> All's you gots to do is type in "XXX currency A in Currency B" and it does it for you.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> true
[02:07] <ljl> Hobbsee: for the last two digits for the australian dollars figure :)
[02:08] <ljl> install qalculate, guys
[02:08] <Hobbsee> oh, right, yeah
[02:08] <ljl> it's actually only packaged for Gnome, but the KDE version compiles a charm
[02:08] <ljl> (i've made a backports request anyway)
[02:09] <ljl> cool calculator, small embedded algebra system, and kitchen sync too
[02:09] <TROGDOR42> kitchen sync?
[02:09] <TROGDOR42> Ok where can I find this qalculate of yours? It's not in adept.
[02:09] <ljl> would you even look at a program that doesn't have a kitchen sync included?
[02:09] <ljl> actually, it is
[02:09] <ljl> it's in universe
[02:09] <Hobbsee> !info qalculate
[02:10] <ubotu> qalculate: (Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 2612 kB
[02:10] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's there in apt-get
[02:10] <ljl> !info qalc
[02:10] <ubotu> qalc: (Powerful and easy to use command line calculator), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 791 kB, Installed size: 2904 kB
[02:10] <TROGDOR42> Ok
[02:10] <ljl> and then there's "qalculate-kde", which is in Debian unstable and in Dapper, but currently not in Breezy's backports
[02:10] <TROGDOR42> Ahh, i screwed up my apt-get
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ah...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> i was wondering if there was a kde version
[02:11] <Knowerrors> Im building a custom kernel using a different config from og Ubuntu, can anyone tell me what parts are needed in kernel config to fully support iptables?
[02:11] <ljl> Hobbsee: yeah, i compiled it easily
[02:11] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:12] <TROGDOR42> whenever I do apt-get install something it says: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[02:13] <ljl> TROGDOR42: you have adept open
[02:13] <TROGDOR42> I closed it... Didnt work
[02:13] <TROGDOR42> same error
[02:13] <ljl> TROGDOR42: then you're not root
[02:13] <ljl> TROGDOR42: "sudo apt-get ...."
[02:13] <TROGDOR42> Ah, thanks.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> oops...
[02:14] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> !compile
[02:14] <ubotu> I guess compile is Go and read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall. tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand.  Also, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConfigureMakeMakeInstall.  Ask me about <compiling>
[02:14] <ljl> TROGDOR42 not knowing that he needs sudo for apt-get ;)
[02:14] <TROGDOR42> Yeah yeah, I'm a Linux n00b, so what?
[02:14] <ljl> !autodeb
[02:14] <TROGDOR42> ;)
[02:14] <ubotu> [autodeb]  an EXPERIMENTAL program to automate building (configure, compile, install) of source tarballs. It's based on !CheckInstall and !AutoApt, and can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autodeb
[02:14] <ljl> :)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> right...i never remember the order lol
[02:14] <TROGDOR42> I've only been using Linux for a few months.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ljl: you want me to try that?
[02:15] <TROGDOR42> I'd like to try that myself
[02:15] <ljl> Hobbsee: heh if you want! but hold on, i'm uploading a newer version
[02:15] <ljl> works much faster
[02:15] <Hobbsee> ok
[02:15] <Hobbsee> bah...i think i should learn to do it manually lol
[02:15] <TROGDOR42> Yeah, I should too
[02:16] <TROGDOR42> I only use stuff I can apt-get
[02:16] <Hobbsee> TROGDOR42: i can probably send you a deb of it lol
[02:16] <ljl> Hobbsee: there isn't much to learn... as ubotu said, tar, cd, configure, make, make install (or checkinstall)
[02:16] <Hobbsee> the one that i'm about to create
[02:16] <ljl> Hobbsee: the rest is all hunting for dependencies
[02:16] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know - i just never remember the order
[02:16] <Hobbsee> true
[02:17] <Hobbsee> dammit
[02:18] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: any help on the iptables info in kernel config please?  I no longer have my original ubu kernel config to refer to
[02:18] <TROGDOR42> Why does it say "This APT has Super Cow Powers" when you type apt-get in the terminal?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: got no idea, if you can point me to a config file, i can paste mine for you...
[02:18] <Hobbsee> TROGDOR42: an easter egg...
[02:18] <TROGDOR42> Ah.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> trying ./configure again lol
[02:19] <Hobbsee> checking for CLN - version >= 1.1.0... no
[02:19] <Hobbsee> *** Could not run CLN test program, checking why...
[02:19] <Hobbsee> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[02:19] <Hobbsee> *** exact error that occured. This usually means CLN was incorrectly installed
[02:19] <Hobbsee> *** or that you have moved CLN since it was installed. In the latter case, you
[02:19] <Hobbsee> *** may want to edit the cln-config script: /usr/bin/cln-config.
[02:19] <ljl> ok, new autodeb uploaded, try it if you want, with some due care (tho i don't think it'll do anything too bad, just don't interrupt it while it's installing packages)
[02:20] <ljl> you need libcln-dev or something
[02:20] <Hobbsee> i just got that...
[02:21] <ljl> oh, you need to compile libqalculate too, by the way (it's written on the site, but you might not know if you got a source .deb or something...)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[02:21] <Hobbsee> so i should try that first...
[02:21] <ljl> yeah
[02:21] <TROGDOR42> Anybody know how to get an IntelliMouse's extra 2 buttons to work?
[02:22] <TROGDOR42> Linux somehow thinks one of them is an extra scroll-wheel click and the other is a right click.
[02:22] <ljl> dunno, i've got a quite standard mouse
[02:24] <TROGDOR42> Anybody?
[02:24] <ljl> Hobbsee: anyway, i suggest that you do try auto-apt, even if you don't try autodeb... it will get your dependencies for you while you configure -- even though it will ask about a *lot* of dependencies that aren't really needed, you must learn to learn which ones are the real ones
[02:24] <ljl> (for example, DECNet services and Fortran compilers most probably *aren't* it ;)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> mmm
[02:25] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:25] <ljl> also, don't forget to use "checkinstall" instead of "make install". that way you'll be able to remove the installed stuff at any time
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, was already going to do that
[02:26] <ljl> one of the things that my autodeb tries to do is to avoid those stupid auto-apt dependencies
[02:26] <Hobbsee> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[02:26] <Hobbsee> all right, where's this autodeb lol?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> !autodeb
[02:26] <ubotu> autodeb is, like, totally, an EXPERIMENTAL program to automate building (configure, compile, install) of source tarballs. It's based on !CheckInstall and !AutoApt, and can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Autodeb
[02:26] <ljl> basically, autodeb lets ./configure fail, and then only cares about the *last* missing dependency before it failed -- that way, it'll take longer, but you won't have fortran compilers installed =)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ljl: you said there was a newer versoin?
[02:28] <ljl> yes, but it's there, i've just uploaded it
[02:28] <Hobbsee> ok, cool
[02:28] <ljl> the site hasn't changed, but it's there
[02:28] <ljl> i wasn't actually going to upload it until later (there's still one missing feature i'd like), but anyway
[02:28] <ljl> (namely, the missing feature is installing the *runtime* dependencies the program needs, and listing them in the generated .deb package)
[02:29] <ljl> but i'm having some problems with spurious dependencies currently
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:29] <TROGDOR42> !info Cygwin
[02:30] <TROGDOR42> Mmm, crap
[02:30] <ljl> Hobbsee: even though it doesn't install them, it will list them anyway, so you'll have an idea what needs to be installed for the program to run
[02:30] <Knowerrors> Hobsee: finally figured out how to get your kernel .config ...
[02:30] <Knowerrors> Type "uname -r" at konsole
[02:30] <nalioth> TROGDOR42: cygwin is a WINDOWS program
[02:31] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[02:31] <TROGDOR42> But it's Linux related, figured it might work.
[02:31] <Knowerrors> then sudo cp /boot/config-"kernel name" .config
[02:31] <ljl> "!info" only lists packages that are in the Ubuntu repositories
[02:31] <TROGDOR42> Got it.
[02:31] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: then dcc me the .config , Gratzie :)
[02:31] <TROGDOR42> BRB I gotta find a CD to burn Klax on.
[02:32] <TROGDOR42> BRB!
[02:32] <Knowerrors> nalioth, you ever build a custome kernel on ubuntu?
[02:32] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i do not deal with the kernel
[02:34] <TROGDOR42> Back!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ljl: i have to untar the file first?
[02:35] <Knowerrors> nalioth: Ive learned alot doing kernel compiles, done about 4 on ubuntu, and 6 or so on debian, got my system runnin faster and better hardware support
[02:36] <ljl> Hobbsee: no
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ok, cool
[02:36] <ljl> Hobbsee: the site says you have to, but in the new version you don't need to
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: ok, grabbing that
[02:36] <ljl> Hobbsee: only, look in your /tmp/ dir after you're finished, 'cause i'm not deleting many files i create there
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ljl: right..
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: dcc'ing the file, not sure if i allow that though...
[02:38] <Knowerrors> it failed :(
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: how's this?  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5023
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ljl: no configure script
[02:40] <ljl> Hobbsee: if you've never run auto-apt before, it will take some longish time to create the database... but it's a database worth having anyway
[02:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, did that
[02:41] <ljl> Hobbsee: hm? check that it hasn't removed your qalculate source dir
[02:41] <ljl> Hobbsee: i thought i'd commented that out, but
[02:41] <Hobbsee> doing the libqalculate
[02:41] <Hobbsee> first
[02:41] <ljl> Hobbsee: have you run it using the .tar.gz or the directory, in the end?
[02:42] <ljl> Hobbsee: check what's in autodeb-libqalculate-something/autodeb-configure.log
[02:43] <ljl> no don't do it, that's no use
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ah, absolutely nothing
[02:43] <Hobbsee> both dont work - same error
[02:44] <ljl> not a kind of error i'd have been expecting...
[02:44] <Hobbsee> you want the full error?
[02:44] <ljl> no, i know it
[02:45] <ljl> No configure script was found. Your program may have to be configured in non-standard ways.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> ljl: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5024 for the entire thing
[02:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:45] <nalioth> ljl: does auto-apt get perl modules?
[02:45] <ljl> nalioth: if configure checks for their presence, then yeah
[02:45] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: that helped, thx, pouring over it now
[02:46] <Kiseonik> well
[02:46] <ljl> nalioth: if they're only looked for when you first run the perl program, then use auto-apt when running the perl program
[02:46] <Kiseonik> i'm gonna try to install kubuntu soon
[02:46] <nalioth> ljl: unfortunately, quite a lot of perl modules aren't available in the repos
[02:46] <ljl> Hobbsee: oh, wait, you've used the wrong parameters ;)
[02:46] <ljl> nalioth: in that case, auto-apt won't be able to do a thing...
[02:46] <TROGDOR42> Good luck, Kiseonik.
[02:46] <Kiseonik> thanks :)
[02:46] <Kiseonik> byeeee
[02:47] <ljl> Hobbsee: you must "./autodeb.sh whatever.tar.gz"
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ah....
[02:47] <ljl> Hobbsee: and then, when it asks for the package name, just type "libqalculate"
[02:47] <ljl> Hobbsee: (or accept the default, if it's reasonable)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ah...i see lol
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ljl: sudo sh ./autodeb.sh libqalculate-0.9.0.tar.gz
[02:48] <ljl> nalioth: but, i believe there was some kind of perl-module-auto-fetcher... never been into perl, so i don't really remember, but
[02:48] <ljl> Hobbsee: no don't sudo
[02:49] <Hobbsee> have to - otherwise it wont let you
[02:49] <ljl> Hobbsee: i guess you haven't marked it as executable -- "chmod +x ./autodeb.sh"
[02:49] <ljl> and then just "./autodeb.sh libqalculate-0.9.0.tar.gz"
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hehe - you'd be right
[02:49] <Hobbsee> you couldnt have told me that earlier lol?  i didnt see that in the wiki...
[02:50] <ljl> Hobbsee: i'll add it... but it ain't something specific to my script, it's valid for every file you intend to execute in linux ;)
[02:50] <Hobbsee> mmm...true
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i thought .sh scrips were automatically executable
[02:50] <ljl> Hobbsee: it's just that, when the file is .tar'ed (or .deb'ed), the permissions will be set automatically by tar or dpkg
[02:51] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: weird, that page I went to for the paste has terrible font problems on Firefox, but Konq is fine
[02:51] <Hobbsee> you're speaking to linux newbies here - compiling newbies, anyway
[02:51] <ljl> no, they aren't... the first line ( "#!/bin/sh" ) specifies that they are shell scripts, but they're not executable until you tell them to be
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:51] <Hobbsee> to see this program, why the heck didnt i just boot to dapper?
[02:52] <nalioth> ljl: yes, i'm trying to help Hobbsee with it in #kubuntu-offtopic 
[02:52] <ljl> if you type "sh autodeb.sh", it will execute it even if it is *not* executable, because in that case it's simply used as a parameter to "sh"
[02:52] <Hobbsee> ah...yes, that's how i did it earlier, i remember now
[03:08] <TROGDOR42> Wow, this is dead.
[03:09] <nalioth> step lively
[03:11] <yannz> Is it possible to use debian packages in kubuntu?
[03:11] <TROGDOR42> Not... really
[03:11] <Blissex> yannz: yes, sure it is not totally obvious though which ones...
[03:11] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[03:12] <Blissex> yannz: so it is something only if you really understand the dependency system.
[03:12] <Blissex> yannz: the only easy thing is this: Debian Sarge is almost completely compatible with Hoary. The situation with Breezy is however a bit more complicated.
[03:13] <TROGDOR42> Hoary doesn't like my computer, so I have no choice but to use Breezy
[03:13] <yannz> ah, ok.
[03:13] <yannz> i really just want quakeforge in. .. =)
[03:13] <yannz> there is a repository for debian, but I haven't found any for kubuntu (and yes, i use breezy)
[03:14] <conn> hi, when I try to use a resolution of 1280x1024 or greater, glxgears, glxinfo etc. give segfaults. I think it's a problem with the r128 driver, can someone help?
[03:15] <nalioth> yannz: please dont use debain pkgs, they can break your ubuntu
[03:15] <TROGDOR42> Alien works doesn't it?
[03:15] <yannz> nalioth, ok. promise. =)
[03:15] <nalioth> TROGDOR42: it is advised not to install ANY non ubuntu binary pkgs
[03:15] <TROGDOR42> Tarballs work though, right?
[03:17] <nalioth> TROGDOR42: compiling ones own files (provided they arent in the repos) and using checkinstall is the most useful way, yes
[03:17] <TROGDOR42> Ok, thanks.
[03:18] <Blissex> yannz: Quakeforge from etc/sid should be OK with Breezy...
[03:19] <Blissex> yannz: or actually, download the Debian source deb and recompile it under Breezy.
[03:20] <nalioth> yannz: you can put debian SOURCE repos in your sources.list and have your apt-get build debian packages safely for you
[03:20] <yannz> oh, clever.
[03:24] <TROGDOR42> I'm getting tired.  But I refuse to go to bed unless somebody with authority tells me to, that's for n00bs.
[03:25] <nalioth> TROGDOR42: take your skunk-sack-sharing-arse to bed
[03:25] <TROGDOR42> I said with authority ;)
[03:25] <fevoldj2> hi
[03:25] <TROGDOR42> Hi.
[03:26] <nalioth> what kind of authority do you want?
[03:26] <fevoldj2> Why is the php5-mcrypt module missing from the repositories?
[03:26] <fevoldj2> I am having trouble finding it.
[03:26] <TROGDOR42> Maybe, say, my mom's
[03:26] <nalioth> ah, external authority over the power plug
[03:27] <TROGDOR42> Yeah
[03:28] <TROGDOR42> Only lack of electricity will enable me to sleep.
[03:30] <TROGDOR42> Hey what's the command to untar something? like... "tar -somelettershere"  what are those letters...?
[03:31] <ljl> tar -x -f filename
[03:31] <TROGDOR42> Ok
[03:31] <ljl> or tar -z -x -f filename.tar.gz, as a handy shortcut
[03:32] <yannz> =}
[03:32] <yannz> handy.
[03:32] <yannz> tar zxvf filename.tar.gz could be even more handy.
[03:33] <ljl> and very non-conformant to parameter conventions ;)
[03:33] <ljl> give hypens what belong to hypens
[03:34] <yannz> tar is the rebel.
[03:34] <TROGDOR42> lol
[03:34] <ljl> well ar and unrar do about the same
[03:34] <yannz> but really, you could say tar -zxvf some.. 
[03:34] <yannz> :)
[03:34] <ljl> (and lha too, i guess... don't remember using it on linux, but i suppose the syntax is the same as on amigaos)
[03:35] <ljl> yeah, not sure that would be conformant either though, unless you take "-zxvf" as a single option -- in which case, the man page should list all the possible combinations ;)
[03:35] <nalioth> TROGDOR42: you can use tar xvzf or xvjf (bzip2) no need for all the - signes
[03:35] <TROGDOR42> Ok
[03:36] <ljl> TROGDOR42: not if you want my personal deity to drop a tremendous spell on you, though, no
[03:36] <TROGDOR42> Don't worry ljl, i'm using the -'s
[03:36] <ljl> ;)
[03:52] <_Sparky> Evening all..
[03:56] <brownie17> hey, how do i change text size and stuff
[03:57] <brownie17> anyone here helping people?
[03:57] <brownie17> this is easy
[04:00] <brownie17> damnit, someone help me
[04:00] <ClayG> Siup
[04:00] <ClayG> sup
[04:00] <ClayG> Text size on what? Like your desktop and everything in general?
[04:00] <brownie17> hi
[04:00] <brownie17> yeahj
[04:00] <ClayG> ask in the screen size/ resolution?
[04:00] <brownie17> if possibl
[04:00] <brownie17> e
[04:01] <ClayG> heh same thing pisses me off, seems like I could barely read it was so small
[04:01] <brownie17> mines massive!
[04:01] <brownie17> :o
[04:01] <ClayG> Do you want to change the screen size / resolution ? Or just the actual fonts (icons and everything else would remain the same)?
[04:01] <brownie17> fonts] 
[04:01] <brownie17> please
[04:01] <brownie17> do you know?
[04:03] <ClayG> system>preferences>fonts
[04:06] <brownie17> theres no preferences optino
[04:07] <brownie17> ClayG, why is there no preferences option?
[04:10] <Knowerrors> Hey all, just installed firestarter, which installed gksu, and now synaptic won't start up, any ideas?
[04:11] <ClayG> I think it's because I'm looking in gnome
[04:11] <ClayG> lol
[04:11] <ClayG> give me a minuute
[04:11] <Knowerrors> adept won't start up now either
[04:11] <ClayG> lemme get into kde brb
[04:23] <Knowerrors> adept won't run, or synaptic
[04:23] <Knowerrors> adept: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN15KCo                                           nfigSkeleton9ItemInt6411setPropertyERK8QFariant
[04:24] <Knowerrors> any ideas on what happened here?
[04:24] <troy> something got borked - can you run aptitude?
[04:24] <Knowerrors> no
[04:24] <Knowerrors> can't run synaptic or adept, but apt works fine
[04:27] <Knowerrors> I don't have aptitude, I think, is that a cli or gui?
[04:27] <troy> what does this give you $ldd /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 | grep qt
[04:27] <troy> aptitude is cli
[04:28] <Knowerrors> I installed kde headers and related depends a couple hours ago...
[04:28] <Knowerrors> libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb7239000)
[04:28] <Knowerrors> is what that command gives me
[04:29] <Knowerrors> and Aptitude works fine
[04:29] <nalioth> Knowerrors: have you installed opera or skype or some other non ubuntu pkg?
[04:29] <Knowerrors> nope, not recently
[04:30] <nalioth> well, it doesnt have to be recent, to be screwing you
[04:30] <troy> this is going beyond my knowledge of debian... /me runs and hides behind freebsd ports
[04:30] <Knowerrors> Synaptic was working fine up until about an hour ago
[04:31] <Knowerrors> I installed Firestarter, as well as kdelibs and kdeheaders and such, I was going to build ksmoothdock and needed those
[04:31] <Knowerrors> thx for listening troy :)
[04:32] <Knowerrors> Im afraid maybe I installed kdelibs/headers for kde3.5 without realizin it, as I had backports/extras/plf turned on
[04:33] <Knowerrors> but don't know for sure, don't think I did that stupid of a thing
[04:34] <Knowerrors> whoa, got synaptic working by typing sudo synaptic at comman line
[04:34] <troy> synaptic should not be affected by broken kde, it uses gtk afaik
[04:35] <troy> Knowerrors: what do you get for kde version when you do, for example: $kstart -v
[04:35] <Knowerrors> but adept still won't work with sudo adept
[04:35] <Knowerrors> or kdesu apdept
[04:35] <troy> or $ kde-config --version
[04:36] <Knowerrors> kstart: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN15KConfigSkeleton9ItemInt6411setPropertyERK8QFariant
[04:37] <Knowerrors> sudo synaptic works, but gksu synaptic or kdesu synaptic won't work
[04:38] <troy> does  /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3  exist?
[04:39] <troy> so much for that... :P
[04:40] <Knowerrors> thx troy
[04:45] <nalioth> Knowerrors: use the command line and "sudo apt-get install --reinstall adept"
[04:46] <Knowerrors> ok, what about synaptic?  (only) way I can launch that is cli sudo synaptic...
[04:48] <Knowerrors> and qtparted won't launch either
[04:50] <ClayG> nalioth, what is the command to download file.r00-file.r99 on thissite.com using username : user and password : password?
[04:50] <ClayG> in cli?
[04:50] <davethewave> is there a repository list out there that has many many pre-added software links? like wine, ndiswrapper, firefox etc.. all pre-made so I can be lazy and not edit my sources list?
[04:53] <Knowerrors> ClayG: wget url or file... don't know about the username/pass, try man wget
[04:54] <Knowerrors> I mean wget url of file
[04:55] <Bicchi> i need a version of a program that was build a few weeks ago and the one that ubuntu has on the repositories is from a few months ago. Do i have to wait until the next releaes of ubuntu to get a newer version of the program?
[05:06] <thompa> hi!, how can i switch back to kdm?
[05:08] <thompa> can i just uninstall gdm?
[05:08] <thompa> !kdm
[05:08] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, thompa
[05:09] <thompa> found it
[05:10] <masterloki> can someone tell me howto set my own lP (i.e. not via DHCP)?
[05:10] <nalioth> thompa: open a konsole and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and choose the one you want
[05:11] <davethewave> my clock says 20, isnt there only 12, then it starts all over?
[05:11] <nalioth> davethewave: 2359 is the top number
[05:11] <kkathman> davethewave: yer probably set to military time
[05:12] <nalioth> davethewave: that's 11:59 pm
[05:13] <thompa> thanks i foundit
[05:13] <thompa> i like kde more, there are more configuration tools like for sound, gnome seems to have little
[05:14] <nalioth> night
[05:14] <kkathman> night nalioth_zZz :)
[05:15] <thompa> thanks nalioth
[05:16] <MoSiAc> i've been having some troble with networking and i was wondering if anyone is available to help me run through some quick things 
[05:17] <kkathman> MoSiAc: what kinds of trouble?
[05:17] <MoSiAc> well my wired and wireless connections start off disabled, and when i try to enable them it enables them for about a second and then redisables them
[05:17] <kkathman> hmm
[05:17] <kkathman> probably LeeJunFan can help you with that, I cant
[05:18] <kkathman> other than just checking the obvious things
[05:18] <MoSiAc> and its gotten to the point when i try to enter admin mode to change a setting i put in my password but it doesn't let me in anymore
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> What did I just walk into?
[05:18] <MoSiAc> i'm having what should be a simple network issue but seems to be a big problem and i don't know why heh
[05:18] <kkathman> nothing LeeJunFan  someone needs some help with their network
[05:19] <MoSiAc> i've been reading the forums to try and figure something out but so far nothing has really worked for me
[05:19] <kkathman> MoSiAc: I take it that you have checked the eth0 and all that
[05:19] <MoSiAc> yeah 
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: can you re-explain your symptoms - for me?
[05:22] <MoSiAc> sure, i just installed kubuntu and i've been trying to get either wired or wireless acess working, i assumed that i would have some beginning trouble with wireless so i've been trying to get wired up but both my wired and wirless connections are disabled and when i orinigally tried to enable them the wireless one would activate momentariy and then disable again, now its at the point where when i try to click the administer button and put in 
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> Did you wired not get setup during install?
[05:25] <MoSiAc> nope
[05:25] <MoSiAc> its strange because when i installed ubuntu before it did but not kubuntu
[05:25] <kkathman> MoSiAc: if you just installed kubuntu.... you may need to do the Adept updates first...to enable the Administrator mode
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> Are you on broadband - do you have a router that serves DHCP?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: that will be hard w/o network :)
[05:26] <MoSiAc> yeah my router allows dhcp and i turned off all security like the guide said until i got things going
[05:27] <kkathman> ahh yah..true :)
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: okay, try opening console and run 'sudo dhclient eth0' first of all I guess, that will try to config the card from the DHCP your router gives out.
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> s/console/konsole
[05:28] <MoSiAc> wow i'm a moron and apparently missed that step
[05:28] <MoSiAc> heh
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: did it work?
[05:28] <MoSiAc> yeah
[05:28] <kkathman> MoSiAc: thats what I was referring to before
[05:29] <kkathman> [22:19:35]  <kkathman> MoSiAc: I take it that you have checked the eth0 and all that
[05:29] <MoSiAc> my bad i thought i had done that but i guess not because that got me going
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: well, you shouldn't have to do that all the time manually, so you do still need to change a file.
[05:29] <kkathman> lol
[05:29] <kkathman> thats ok... I was not very clear...and should have been
[05:29] <MoSiAc> heh np i'm still getting used to this 
[05:30] <LeeJunFan>  /etc/network/interfaces - you need a line like 'auto eth0' and another one 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> so fire up 'sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces' to edit that file to make those changes. There very well may be a GUI for this somewhere but I'm old school so bear with me.
[05:31] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  there is, but you have to be admin mode to do it
[05:31] <MoSiAc> hehe thats ok heh
[05:31] <MoSiAc> i added those lines
[05:31] <kkathman> and the kubuntu install disk has a broken admin mode
[05:31] <MoSiAc> lets see if that works in
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> !repos
[05:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: check the info ubotu just spewed, you'll want to edit your repositories and do your updates.
[05:32] <MoSiAc> ok
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> MoSiAc: once your updates are done and you log out/in of kde you should have working admin mode.
[05:34] <MoSiAc> ok that edit got my network to auto load so i'm one step closer now to modify for updates
[05:35] <Knowerrors> Hey all, just installed Firestarter, however, when its on, I get no net access, anybody tell me how to use it to properly configure things?
[05:50] <alandd> l3m:  I got the sound working on my kids' computer.  But not the way I expected.
[05:50] <_brent> hi
[05:50] <alandd> kubuntu live did not find the sound either so I did not install it.
[05:50] <_brent> anyone awake?
[05:51] <mosiac> !easysource
[05:51] <ubotu> well, easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:51] <_brent> Can anyone help me out with information on installing my wifi card?
[05:51] <alandd> Then, I found a reference to the driver I needed, es1688.  All I had to do was 'modprobe es1688' and the FC4 had sound!  Adding a sound alias in modules.conf made it permanent.
[05:53] <alandd> l3m: I was impressed with the kubuntu live and was glad I had an excuse to try it.  I'll have to install it on my test box and play there someday.  For now, I'll keep the FC4 install on the kids' computer since I have other things to do this weekend.
[05:53] <_brent> Anyone?
[05:53] <alandd> _brent, I am not experienced with wifi cards but I might be a good ear.  
[05:53] <alandd> What's your issue?
[05:53] <_brent> Well this is a bear.. Its a broadcom gadget.
[05:54] <_brent> i have tried loading my driver with ndiswrapper... but it still doesnt recognize the hardware
[05:54] <_brent> I dont know what else to do
[05:54] <LeeJunFan> !ndiswrapper
[05:54] <ubotu> [ndiswrapper]  a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:55] <alandd> Ugh!  I was gonna suggest ndiswrapper when you alread typed it.  I'm afraid that is out of my league then.
[05:55] <_brent> lol Well thanks anyway.
[05:55] <alandd> Do you get anything at all?
[05:55] <_brent> Nadda.
[05:55] <_brent> Error.. error ... error
[05:56] <xtacocorex> since there is more activity again, i installed a bunch of fonts and they aren't showing up in any lists in kde, is there anyway to refresh the font server?
[05:57] <alandd> Any hope of a Linux supported wifi card as a gift?  ;^)
[05:57] <xtacocorex> my installation method worked in hary
[05:57] <_brent> heres another question-
[05:57] <_brent> I installed teamspeak VOIP software, but dont know how to make a link for it in my toolbar
[05:58] <_brent> lol.. i dunno.. That will be my next purchase i guess.
[05:58] <_brent> About Team Speak- I dont even know where it installed to.
[05:59] <xtacocorex> hmm, it seems that my xorg.conf file didn't have FontPath	"unix/:7100" in the files section
[05:59] <_brent> xta- Im a super noob so I couldnt even begin to help you.
[05:59] <xtacocorex> _brent: type locate teamspeak in a terminal window
[06:00] <_brent> hmm.. Thats funny.. It lists the files but doesn't look like they were installed.
[06:00] <xtacocorex> _brent: nothing in /usr?
[06:01] <alandd> good luck, _brent.  I just had to report my sound solution to l3m.  Must be off.
[06:01] <_brent> no.. /opt and /home
[06:01] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[06:01] <_brent> ok.. Thanks take care!
[06:01] <xtacocorex> _brent: /opt is where the binary is, or should be if it compiled correctly
[06:02] <xtacocorex> _brent: you want a link to it on kicker (the bar at the bottom)
[06:02] <chaoticgeek> how is everyone doing?
[06:03] <xtacocorex> chaoticgeek: i'm doing good, stuffed after a large thanksgiving meal though
[06:03] <Knowerrors> Hi all, can anybody help me with firestarter?
[06:03] <_brent> xta: Not quite sure if I understand..
[06:04] <xtacocorex> _brent: i remember you saying you wanted a button for it or something similiar
[06:04] <_brent> yes.
[06:04] <_brent> I dont know how to start the application
[06:04] <xtacocorex> _brent: you do need to add the location of the executable in your PATH variable
[06:05] <_brent> thats the problem.. When I do locate- the only files I see are .htm and .gif
[06:05] <_brent> no executables?
[06:05] <xtacocorex> _brent: oh
[06:05] <xtacocorex> _brent: that could be a problem
[06:05] <_brent> yea.. thus- It didnt install correctly..?
[06:05] <_brent> should I retry?
[06:05] <xtacocorex> _brent: i would assume not, yes definately retry
[06:06] <xtacocorex> _brent: i don't have teamspeak, so i can't help you with the installation
[06:06] <xtacocorex> Knowerrors: i'd help with firestarter, but i don't have it installed
[06:07] <xtacocorex> is ubotu a bot on the server that answers questions?
[06:08] <xtacocorex> i've seen it being used the last couple of days and am intrigued
[06:08] <Knowerrors> yeah
[06:08] <Knowerrors> do you use a firewall program xtacocorex ?
[06:09] <xtacocorex> Knowerrors: no, i should though
[06:09] <xtacocorex> Knowerrors: if i did, i'd probably get shorewall
[06:09] <xtacocorex> Knowerrors: just because my team used it in a cyber defense competition and i could get easy help configuring it
[06:10] <_brent> haha!  I found the executable
[06:10] <_brent> how do i link it?
[06:10] <xtacocorex> _brent: nice, where is it at?
[06:10] <_brent> ./opt/TeamSpeak2RC2
[06:11] <alistair> hi everyone
[06:11] <xtacocorex> _brent: if you want the icon on the desktop, i'd right click on the desktop and then select create new and then go to link to application
[06:11] <_brent> i want it in my toolbar...
[06:11] <mosiac> well i wanna thank you guys for getting my network going i'll continue working on the wireless alone and if i get stuck i'll be back heh later
[06:12] <_brent> .. *K munu
[06:12] <_brent> menu
[06:12] <alistair> i tried enabling shaddows, and it tells me that i need an x-org file >  6.8 
[06:12] <alistair> how can I get this?
[06:12] <xtacocorex> _brent: ah, kmenu, right click on the kmenu icon and then go to menu editor
[06:13] <alistair> can someone please help me..?  :)
[06:14] <xtacocorex> alistair: what shadows are you talking about, i am only able to use menu dropshadows due to being on a laptop with a crappy graphics card
[06:14] <alistair> KDE windows shaddows
[06:15] <xtacocorex> alistair: the ones using composite?
[06:15] <alistair> i think so
[06:15] <alistair> yes
[06:15] <alistair> it was a "composite manager failure"
[06:15] <xtacocorex> alistair: have you checked the forums?
[06:16] <alistair> i couldn't find anything...
[06:16] <xtacocorex> alistair: hmm, i remember trying to install it once, but i got the same error
[06:16] <_brent> xta- I am saving my menu info but still do not see it...
[06:17] <xtacocorex> _brent: it should pick up right away
[06:17] <_brent> doesnt.
[06:18] <xtacocorex> _brent: how did you add it?
[06:18] <_brent> right clicked on interent... then selescted the icon and pasted the command
[06:18] <_brent> ..then hit save
[06:18] <xtacocorex> alistair: i'd try google and see if you could find an irc server for xorg stuff
[06:19] <xtacocorex> _brent: hmm, internet is a menu, so you need to make an item in that menu for teamspeak
[06:20] <_brent> yes I chose make new item
[06:20] <xtacocorex> _brent: oh, my bad on the wrong assumption
[06:21] <_brent> wait... I bet i have toclse the ditor first
[06:22] <xtacocorex> _brent: did it work after closing it?
[06:22] <_brent> damnit. No.
[06:22] <xtacocorex> _brent: damn
[06:24] <_brent> jeeeeeeeeeez??!?
[06:24] <xtacocorex> _brent: that should have worked
[06:24] <_brent> it doesnt do anything.. I tried creating a new subfolder too- nothing
[06:25] <_clint> hi all
[06:26] <_brent> i have ubuntu insallted.. but I use KDE environment
[06:26] <_brent> is THAT a problem?
[06:26] <_clint> no
[06:26] <xtacocorex> _brent: i don't think it would be
[06:26] <_brent> me either...
[06:26] <_clint> I installed kubuntu, however I am going install gnome,,
[06:26] <_clint> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:26] <_clint> I like the kubuntu blue . :-)
[06:27] <_brent> Clint: I am refering to creating new folders and executables in the k menu
[06:27] <_brent> Mine wont work.
[06:27] <_clint> anyone here, know about configuring so screensavers will be right. for some reason on my laptop, has been a real big deal with ubuntu for mp3, and mpeg and when I put the cd on ubuntu would lag
[06:28] <_clint> oh sorry m8
[06:28] <_brent> its cool.
[06:28] <Zoo> test
[06:30] <clint-> i guess I will do, sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg gstreamer0.8-mad  and that should take care of things
[06:30] <clint-> I'm looking at site
[06:30] <clint-> and says, killall artsd to restart sound server, and will also have to restart amarok and kaffeine
[06:30] <_brent> mhy god. i cant believe this wont work.
[06:33] <clint-> m8,  I have been working with so   many different linux systems and even unix pc bsd kde on freebsd, and freebsd6.0, debian 3.1 solid base,  xandros, and it takes alot of patience, I even isntalled Mandriva 2006, always seems to be some negative about 1
[06:33] <clint-> don't get discourage, it helps to read documentation, on linux and configuratin
[06:33] <clint-> configuration*
[06:38] <clint-> anyone know where to find the universe repositories?
[06:39] <xtacocorex> clint-: you need to enable them in your sources.list file
[06:39] <clint-> the universe repository* sorry about that
[06:39] <clint-> k, is there a quick way I can do that, I'l listen
[06:39] <clint-> looking on kubuntu site and all, and trying to figure out how
[06:39] <xtacocorex> clint-: what package manager do you use?
[06:40] <_joe_> how can i get a peer 2 peer
[06:40] <clint-> well I just installed kubuntu again, because when I put a data cd mpeg or mp3 in ubuntu, it would take along time to read and lag
[06:40] <_brent> ok.. next question- Do I need to load some sound drivers for my new Ubuntu install?
[06:40] <_joe_> you should be able to find all sound drivwers on synaptic
[06:41] <clint-> I been through alot of disributions , and debian as well, havn't had a reall fun time
[06:41] <_joe_> try pclinuxos
[06:41] <clint-> no thanks
[06:41] <_joe_> its beta but its awesome
[06:41] <clint-> I don't want an rpm base linux :-)
[06:41] <_joe_> have you tried it
[06:41] <clint-> yes I have
[06:41] <_joe_> didn't like it?
[06:41] <clint-> and many others, and thought about creating my own usb flas live :)
[06:42] <clint-> knoppix and phlak are the ones I like :-)
[06:42] <_joe_> are you kde or gnome
[06:42] <clint-> I like both :-)
[06:42] <_joe_> kde is awesome
[06:42] <clint-> gnome-look and kde-look.. I open my windows,, :)
[06:42] <_joe_> gnome is ...
[06:42] <clint-> PC  BSD is something else.. gnome is easy on the resources
[06:43] <xtacocorex> clint-: the sources.lst file is in /etc/apt, uncomment the lines that have universe at the enddd
[06:43] <clint-> PC BSD was the fastest I ever got into, but I don' have time for unix right now :-)
[06:43] <clint-> k
[06:43] <_joe_> hell either one is easier on resources then windows xp
[06:43] <_joe_> lol
[06:43] <clint-> yep
[06:43] <viviersf> i dont like bsd
[06:43] <viviersf> to much of an hassle for desktop
[06:43] <xtacocorex> clint-: there is also an updated sources.list that is different than the cd
[06:43] <xtacocorex> !sources.list
[06:43] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:43] <clint-> I have quite a few operating systems. platforms whatever you want to call them that i mess with joe
[06:44] <_joe_> kubuntu doesn't like peer 2 peer
[06:44] <_joe_> as do i
[06:44] <_joe_> my wife hates it
[06:44] <_brent> joe: how do I find out which sound driver I should use?
[06:44] <clint-> I'm  not worried about running peer to peer on kubuntu, aka kde on ubuntu
[06:44] <_joe_> lol
[06:44] <clint-> I have another system , that I help others on filetopia.. :)
[06:44] <_joe_> kde+ubuntu=kubuntu
[06:45] <clint-> yep I know :-)
[06:45] <clint-> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <clint-> it quite easy :)
[06:45] <_joe_> i usualy use my 98 pc for peer2peer
[06:45] <clint-> however, ubuntu wanted to be a biatch, and lag when I put data cd in, mpeg and mp3, any reason why?
[06:45] <_joe_> thats what gates is good for solitair and porn
[06:45] <_joe_> lol
[06:46] <clint-> if I could solve that, I would go back to ubuntu, and then just install the kde packages
[06:46] <_joe_> yea ubuntu doesn't like mp3s
[06:46] <clint-> this my motto, and i got it from lynucs site. "In a wolrd without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?"  it makes perfect sense :-)
[06:47] <_joe_> lol
[06:47] <_joe_> i like that
[06:47] <crimsun> _joe_: did you install the necessary libraries to play mp3s?
[06:47] <clint-> k, what should I do m8
[06:47] <clint-> I'm all eyes, and ready to console
[06:47] <_joe_> i did now
[06:47] <_joe_> but it still don't like em
[06:47] <xtacocorex> clint-: what is m8?
[06:47] <clint-> can't I just do a sudo install yada yada, I would rather do that method
[06:47] <crimsun> _joe_: what did you install?
[06:47] <clint-> mate, 
[06:48] <xtacocorex> clint-: the sudo apt-get should work
[06:48] <_joe_> hold on
[06:48] <clint-> k
[06:48] <xtacocorex> clint-: that's what i thought, but i wasn't sure
[06:48] <sophie_> clint-: yada package does not exist
[06:48] <clint-> I like that method, it been teachin me to not be lazy and I like it
[06:48] <clint-> its figure of speech I use, I'm in USA, maybe that make a difference :-)
[06:48] <_joe_> k3b,akode,flac...
[06:49] <xtacocorex> clint-: i'm glad you mentioned that because i was just about to ask how the weather was in australia
[06:49] <clint-> well yeah I will use flac after I get my dam mp3's to work!
[06:49] <clint-> >_<
[06:49] <clint-> now back to you xtacocorex , I'm listening . sorry we was interupted :-)
[06:49] <xtacocorex> clint-: tis all good
[06:49] <_joe_> juk, gstreamer0.8
[06:49] <crimsun> _joe_: but did you install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg?
[06:50] <clint-> thats what I am asking! argh >_<
[06:50] <clint-> can't I just do a sudo with those packages !
[06:50] <_joe_> yea 
[06:50] <xtacocorex> clint-: yes
[06:50] <clint-> gee thats all I needed to knw
[06:50] <clint-> >_<
[06:50] <_joe_> they work now its just a bitch to get them there
[06:50] <_joe_> lol
[06:50] <clint-> there?
[06:51] <_joe_> to working
[06:51] <_joe_> finally got it tot work
[06:51] <_joe_> thats what i'm saying
[06:51] <clint-> so why does kubuntu not have mp3 and mpeg and dvd support, gee isn't that something for an OS
[06:51] <_joe_> i want to get wine but mysynaptic won't get it
[06:51] <clint-> but sony has it to where a rootkit can be installed on a windows system, gee isn't that nice
[06:52] <xtacocorex> clint-: i think it deals with the fact that those are proprietary
[06:52] <_joe_> lol
[06:52] <clint-> userability
[06:52] <xtacocorex> clint-: i read about that in the paper the other day
[06:52] <_joe_> how does that work clint
[06:52] <clint-> I will design custom system for kubuntu to go nicely on laptops and have the mp3 , dvd and all
[06:52] <clint-> 1 day I am designing Zoo Linux
[06:52] <xtacocorex> clint-: nice
[06:53] <xtacocorex> clint-: if you want dvd to work, you need to install dvdread
[06:53] <clint-> yeah, when I study all the books and stuff I got, I'm going to  Robert Morris for Computer science
[06:53] <_joe_> clint where you at in us
[06:53] <clint-> IL
[06:53] <_joe_> nebraska here
[06:54] <clint-> been busy with School and everything, and the laptops they got us, gee let me tell you its been alot of fun, not
[06:54] <_joe_> so far in the sticks they have to pipe in the sunshine
[06:54] <clint-> I think about Suse, I just don't like there green theme :-)
[06:54] <clint-> ic
[06:55] <xtacocorex> _joe_: it blistering cold in the middle of nebraska?
[06:55] <clint-> I was messing with Debian 3.1 sarge, but it drove me crazy
[06:56] <clint-> so I can just do, sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg gsreamer0.8-mad ?
[06:56] <xtacocorex> clint-: yes
[06:56] <clint-> and then, killall artsd,and restart amarok and kaffeine
[06:56] <clint-> ?
[06:56] <_joe_> i grew up in anchorage this is like summer time to me
[06:56] <xtacocorex> clint-: i think that should work
[06:56] <clint-> k
[06:57] <xtacocorex> _joe_: i've always wanted to go do alaska
[06:57] <clint-> don't have to worry about adding anything to config files which I don't have alot of patience for at the time. :DDDD
[06:57] <clint-> :P
[06:57] <_joe_> alaska is cold
[06:57] <_joe_> lol
[06:57] <_joe_> nebraska is hot
[06:57] <_joe_> lol
[06:57] <clint-> yeah, its 16 degrees here, and I Don't even have an insulated loft, 
[06:58] <xtacocorex> clint-: for full dvd support: install libdvdread3 and then cd /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples and run the install-css.sh script
[06:58] <clint-> hey ty alot xtac
[06:58] <_joe_> its like 27 here and i'm wearing shorts
[06:58] <xtacocorex> clint-: np
[06:58] <xtacocorex> it's about 20 here in iowa with a pretty decent wind
[06:59] <clint-> ah
[06:59] <clint-> hi neighbor :)
[06:59] <_joe_> we're all nieghbors
[06:59] <_joe_> this is the midwest nieghborhood
[07:00] <xtacocorex> tis true, my parents drove out from lincoln today for thanksgiving at my place 
[07:00] <clint-> I really appreciate the help, and i willl offer support to the kubuntu/ubuntu community as well, if all goes well , I wil convince my college into running it, my friends already amazed at what I get into
[07:00] <_joe_> are u in counciltucky
[07:00] <_joe_> lol
[07:00] <xtacocorex> no, ames, ia
[07:00] <clint-> Happy late thanksgiving guys
[07:00] <xtacocorex> but i do know people from counciltucky
[07:00] <_joe_> i saw pinkfloyd in ames
[07:00] <_joe_> in 94
[07:00] <_joe_> or 95 
[07:00] <frank23> how can I view a dvd from the .iso file?
[07:00] <_joe_> hell it coulda been yesterday
[07:00] <_joe_> lol
[07:01] <clint-> hey xtacocorex , can I do this hing, 1 at a time
[07:01] <xtacocorex> haha
[07:01] <_joe_> it was smokey there
[07:01] <xtacocorex> clint-: the install?
[07:01] <clint-> mount it I would presume frank
[07:01] <clint-> Alcohol 120% sure makes that easy :D
[07:01] <frank23> clint-: can you mount a dvd?
[07:01] <_joe_> lol
[07:01] <clint-> on windows I can :P
[07:01] <_joe_> lol
[07:01] <clint-> still teaching myself alot m8 on linux
[07:02] <_joe_> windows
[07:02] <clint-> even been with it for 1 year , and half, but I am jus familar with a couple things :-)
[07:02] <xtacocorex> !mount iso
[07:02] <ubotu> xtacocorex: I give up, what is it?
[07:02] <_joe_> i'm learning linux aswell
[07:02] <_joe_> the hard way
[07:02] <clint-> lol
[07:02] <clint-> I go books and everything
[07:02] <_joe_> as do i
[07:02] <xtacocorex> clint-: did you get the gstreamer installed?
[07:02] <_joe_> but i can't read
[07:02] <_joe_> lol
[07:02] <frank23> clint-: alcohol makes a virtual drive though. in linux that exists also but I don't have it setup
[07:03] <xtacocorex> !mount
[07:03] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[07:03] <clint-> I am going take, TechSmith Camtasia, or like xvidcap, and with audio maybe, teach people how to use and configure linux
[07:03] <clint-> as well as to install and configure operating systems :-)
[07:03] <_joe_> got tired of windows systems
[07:03] <_joe_> they're to easy
[07:03] <clint-> I manage them joe
[07:04] <clint-> linux is my fun toy :-)
[07:04] <xtacocorex> !iso
[07:04] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, xtacocorex
[07:04] <_joe_> i build combines
[07:04] <clint-> unix, that will come later
[07:04] <_joe_> linux is my toy aswell
[07:04] <clint-> or maybe not at all :P
[07:04] <clint-> its a file system that I don't have the patience for, but let me tell you its fast as hell
[07:04] <_joe_> i have a book called unix in a nutshell
[07:05] <clint-> yea, I got tons
[07:06] <clint-> 80 O'reilly books, tcp/ip , unix, java, perl, linux, xml,  web, oracle, and so many more, Building Wireless community networks.. intrusion Detection, I"m into alot of it , its the desire m8,, desire
[07:06] <_joe_> the box said "requires 98 or better" so i installed linux
[07:06] <clint-> lol
[07:06] <clint-> good 1
[07:06] <_joe_> you can use that 
[07:06] <_joe_> its open source
[07:06] <clint-> good move I should say :P
[07:06] <_joe_> lol
[07:07] <clint-> me, i figured to myself, why have a nice laptop with an OS that is 40% stable compared to a system that is 90% stable, thats just how i view windows and linux, however I do use them both for my purposes, 
[07:08] <_joe_> like i said windows has its purposes
[07:08] <_joe_> porn and solitaire
[07:08] <_joe_> lol
[07:08] <clint-> I didn't like the fact that , they installed windows 98 on the laptops, had fat 32, then made a  system recovery , with having to have 4 cd images, I was stupid for making the cd back ups.. but , oh well , we sometimes do stupid things
[07:09] <_joe_> yea i know all about stupid, i'm married
[07:09] <_joe_> lol
[07:09] <clint-> I called Acer, and they said I couldn't even speak to the engineers, so I could find out the full specs on my hardware, I am going file a lawsuit against them, since I am in warranty :-)
[07:10] <_joe_> if a man speaks speaks in the forest and a woman can't hear him is he still wrong?
[07:10] <clint-> Lawyers* Attorneys have away of getting things done.. :-)
[07:10] <clint-> lol
[07:10] <clint-> make it a cave :-)
[07:10] <_joe_> for them selves
[07:11] <_joe_> so i won't be wrong in a cave
[07:11] <clint-> joe I am going instal those packages
[07:11] <_joe_> lol
[07:11] <clint-> nope lol
[07:11] <_joe_> cool
[07:11] <_joe_> i got to find a cave
[07:11] <clint-> yeah, hope it go well for me
[07:11] <_joe_> good luck
[07:11] <clint-> Wireless will be a spring project I think :D
[07:11] <clint-> I don't care if I have it too much, I already know how unsecure wireless networks are
[07:12] <_joe_> go synaptic and search dvd burning, cdburning and mp3s
[07:12] <clint-> i have the internet at my home , and at school/college, we have really nice desk with IBM Centre's
[07:12] <_joe_> see what it gives you
[07:12] <_joe_> thats what i do
[07:12] <clint-> I am just going to the sudo apt-get install method*
[07:13] <_joe_> hey my yahoo id is joe68801
[07:13] <_joe_> hit me up sometime
[07:13] <clint-> I am training myself to be more of a power user, because I am going set up a fluxbox on kubuntu
[07:13] <_joe_> cool
[07:13] <clint-> yeah, I have many goals mate
[07:13] <_joe_> lol
[07:14] <_joe_> i have but one
[07:14] <clint-> lol
[07:14] <_joe_> live free
[07:14] <clint-> cool :)
[07:14] <_joe_> oh and screw a stipper
[07:14] <_joe_> lol
[07:14] <clint-> lynucs has some really inspiring screenshots
[07:14] <_joe_> lynucs?
[07:14] <_joe_> is that kde
[07:14] <clint-> yep
[07:14] <_joe_> i'll check it out
[07:14] <clint-> its a site where they have screenshots posted
[07:15] <_joe_> that would be where
[07:15] <clint-> have you even messed with www.kde-look.org or www.gnome-look.org
[07:15] <clint-> changing your system around for themes is alot of fun
[07:15] <_joe_> yea 
[07:15] <clint-> cool
[07:15] <_joe_> i'm just not into gnome muxch
[07:15] <_joe_> much*
[07:16] <_joe_> one of these days i'll learn to type
[07:16] <clint-> its cool, I was in kDE alot, and liked it, but then I read how gnome utilizes the resources better. 
[07:17] <clint-> its just all about preference, I don't limit myself to 1 thing
[07:17] <clint-> and never will
[07:17] <clint-> I use windows you see, so I can work with Rhinoceros  3d, Maxon, cad programs like that m8. and Autodesk 3ds max, ya know
[07:17] <_joe_> i have another box with ubuntu on it
[07:17] <_joe_> its ok
[07:17] <clint-> my fun stuff :-)
[07:18] <_joe_> but i prefer this one with kubuntu
[07:18] <clint-> would you laugh if I told you, I have a book on installing debian to xbox
[07:18] <clint-> :
[07:18] <clint-> :D
[07:18] <clint-> thats a gag :-)
[07:18] <_joe_> i've heard of that
[07:18] <_joe_> thats like a big kick in the sack to old bill
[07:18] <_joe_> lol
[07:19] <_joe_> if i had an xbox i'd do it
[07:19] <clint-> lol
[07:19] <_joe_> but i have a ps2
[07:19] <clint-> yea
[07:19] <clint-> I don't even have an xbox or want 1
[07:19] <clint-> :-)
[07:19] <_joe_> i have no need for 1
[07:19] <clint-> I prefer ps over xbox microsoft. thats just me :-)
[07:19] <_joe_> they say worldwide playstation is the leader
[07:20] <_joe_> ps2 is reverse comp
[07:20] <clint-> let me install those packages and see what I get k lo
[07:20] <_joe_> cool
[07:23] <clint-> dam it
[07:23] <clint-> it won't let me sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[07:24] <_joe_> try synaptic
[07:24] <clint-> so I should isntall that right?
[07:24] <_joe_> thats what i have
[07:25] <_joe_> it works for me
[07:25] <clint-> how did you install it m8
[07:25] <_joe_> of couse this box has only been online for abotu a week
[07:25] <_joe_> synaptic
[07:25] <clint-> yeah
[07:25] <clint-> I got 5.10 version m8
[07:26] <_joe_> not sure
[07:26] <clint-> i'll figure it out, no worries
[07:26] <_joe_> cool
[07:29] <clint-> I'm just going update the adept updater now
[07:29] <clint-> so no worries m8, I'll play with it, I taking laptop down stairs where its warm
[07:30] <clint-> I have a really fast connection
[07:57] <Lirx1> Hey is anyone here familiar with damn small linux??
[07:57] <Lirx1> i really need some help
[07:58] <Lirx1> is anyone familair with damnsmall linux ? :/
[08:25] <fatejudger> I switched Kaffeine to xine a couple of weeks ago, and now I can't switch it back to Gstreamer in Konq
[08:25] <fatejudger> I have switch it to gstreamer in the player itself, but Konq doesn't register the changes
[08:25] <fatejudger> *I can
[08:25] <fatejudger> is there any way to change it to gstreamer?
[08:29] <crimsun> just uninstall kaffeine-xine
[08:29] <fatejudger> crimsun: well that's kind of stupid, I need to use xine sometimes
[08:29] <fatejudger> crimsun: gstreamer is kind of flaky sometimes
[08:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: damn, gstreamer can't play anything
[08:32] <fatejudger> crimsun: well, anything over the web
[08:32] <fatejudger> I even have gnomevfs
[08:36] <Tm_T> kaffeine yuk
[08:36] <fatejudger> Kaffeine is great
[08:36] <fatejudger> what's wrong with Kaffeine?
[08:37] <Tm_T> a) crashy  b) eats resources too much
[08:37] <Tm_T> two biggest
[08:37] <Tm_T> and hmm, can't use mplayer
[08:38] <Tm_T> my choice is kmplayer
[08:40] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[08:40] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:40] <kkathman> Kaffeine was the best choice for me when I played music on music on my box, but I used xine as the engine 
[08:40] <Tm_T> bah, dishes ->
[08:41] <kkathman> but when I stopped it, it never stopped running and I had to kill it
[08:50] <fatejudger> gstreamer is much better, but has poor web support
[08:51] <fatejudger> someone needs to port gnomevfs over to KDE
[08:51] <fatejudger> so that system:/ works
[09:03] <jass3h> hello, i have a question about konqueror ... its sending my cdrom to "hdd" when i go to "media:/"
[09:03] <jass3h> what gives?
[09:04] <kkathman> jass3h: what do you mean that its sending your cdrom to HDD?
[09:04] <jass3h> when i try to edit the system settings > disk & filesystems, it wont let me modify my optical drive, but fstab is ok
[09:05] <jass3h> kkathman: i mean when i type "media:/hdd" it somehow sends me to my cdrom, even though it is mouted at /media/cdrom0
[09:05] <kkathman> ahh are you administrator mode?
[09:06] <kkathman> go to a konsole, and do an cd /media  then do an ls and see what you see
[09:06] <jass3h> just floppy, cdrom, and the winxp mount points
[09:07] <jass3h> kkathman: im trying to get kde to point to cdrom, but it wont let me
[09:07] <kkathman> when you are in konqueror and go to file mode, does your cdrom show up separately?
[09:08] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can i make my kubuntu ,to read files that contain words with accents?
[09:09] <jass3h> file mode?
[09:09] <jass3h> sorry kkathman 
[09:10] <Tm_T> fatejudger: KDE has kioslaves
[09:10] <kkathman> yah.you can run konq in file mode
[09:10] <Tm_T> fatejudger: and there's fuse
[09:10] <kkathman> just go to the "address line" and type /  and that will take you to root
[09:10] <Tm_T> fatejudger: so I really don't see the point to have gnomevfs
[09:11] <jass3h> kkathman: ok, then what?
[09:11] <DjDarkman> how can i read files that contain characters like these   ?
[09:12] <kkathman> jass3h: do you see cdrom as a "folder" on the list under root?
[09:12] <kkathman> thats what Mine says
[09:12] <jass3h> yep
[09:13] <kkathman> ok thats good
[09:13] <jass3h> its just a soft link to /media/cdrom
[09:13] <kkathman> thats right
[09:13] <kkathman> ok
[09:13] <kkathman> no when you go to system settings, disk&filesystems, check and see if its "greyed" out
[09:14] <jass3h> see if what is greyed out? the entry for my optical drive?
[09:14] <kkathman> jass3h: see if your optical disk is greyed out
[09:16] <jass3h> its there, missing the mount point, type, and enabled field entries like the other devices have
[09:16] <DjDarkman> nobody knows how can i read files that contain characters like these   ?
[09:16] <jass3h> and i cannot modify, delete, enable, or disable it
[09:16] <kkathman> ok
[09:16] <kkathman> well..you can
[09:16] <jass3h> even after i login as root
[09:17] <kkathman> its set to hdc right?
[09:17] <jass3h> hdd
[09:17] <kkathman> as the device
[09:17] <kkathman> right mine too
[09:17] <jass3h> hdd
[09:17] <jass3h> oops, double enter there
[09:18] <kkathman> I think thats ok actually
[09:18] <kkathman> because thats the way mine is set also
[09:18] <jass3h> interestingly wierd
[09:18] <kkathman> yah
[09:18] <kkathman> brb must reboot.
[09:18] <fatejudger> Tm_T: kioslaves?
[09:18] <fatejudger> Tm_T: you need gnomevfs to view streaming content off the internet
[09:19] <Tm_T> nah
[09:20] <Tm_T> never used it
[09:20] <Tm_T> still can stream audio and video
[09:20] <Tm_T> in and out
[09:21] <DjDarkman> nobody knows how can i read files that contain characters like these   ?
[09:22] <kkathman> ok back
[09:22] <kkathman> thats a bit irritating for me..
[09:23] <kkathman> I think samba has issues
[09:24] <jass3h> ?
[09:24] <jass3h> oooooooook
[09:25] <DjDarkman> nobody knows how can i read files that contain characters like these   ?
[09:29] <Tm_T> I can read those files just fine
[09:30] <DjDarkman> but why can u read them and i don`t
[09:30] <DjDarkman> ?
[09:30] <DjDarkman> when i look at them they look like this K?ve.wav
[09:30] <DjDarkman> for exmale
[09:31] <Tm_T> oh
[09:32] <DjDarkman> does it has something to do wih those files are on a vfat partition?
[09:32] <Tm_T> maybe
[09:32] <Tm_T> I think propably
[09:32] <Tm_T> have you tried any filesin ext2/3
[09:33] <DjDarkman> i couldn` copy them... to my ext partitions
[09:33] <DjDarkman> but i think xmms reads them
[09:33] <Tm_T> uh
[09:35] <gar-> i want to install kubuntu on ubuntu how to please
[09:35] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:35] <gar-> ok
[09:36] <gar-> it say canot find the pkg
[09:37] <gar-> Tm_T, any idea?
[09:38] <_david> hello
[09:40] <Tm_T> gar-: sudo apt-get update
[09:44] <gar-> yes
[09:44] <gar-> i forgot i have to upgrade to 5.10 breezy
[09:44] <gar-> let see it dont mess my wireless card
[09:44] <gar-> because i try already
[09:45] <gar-> because it say i need gcc-3.4 but when i try to install i want to do a net install and when that happen i dont have the network lol
[09:46] <Tm_T> :p
[09:46] <Tm_T> awwwway ->
[09:56] <mpma> anyone use eclipse?
[10:12] <dooglus> hi.  is there a KDE version of the gnome update notifier, so I can tell when I need to apply updates?
[10:17] <insanekane> dooglus: nope :/
[10:17] <dooglus> insanekane: so what do people do?  use the gnome one?  or just not worry about security?
[10:18] <insanekane> dooglus: we come to #kubuntu and look at the topic :)
[10:19] <dooglus> insanekane: wow
[10:19] <dooglus> there was a big kernel fix a few days ago, in case anyone didn't notice.
[10:19] <l3m>  dooglus actually, you can just run adept
[10:20] <dooglus> I'm new to KDE.  Is there a keyboard shortcut for switching tabs in Konsole?
[10:21] <l3m> yes. you can look at and change all the shortcuts in Settings->Configure Shortcuts
[10:21] <dooglus> and where are the man pages in KDE?  "man adept" doesn't find it
[10:21] <l3m> dooglus: kde tools ususally have some pages in the kde handbook
[10:22] <l3m> dooglus: just click on help in the menu
[10:22] <dooglus> l3m: ok.  I see the help center.  then what, search?
[10:24] <l3m> dooglus: oh i just see that they didn't include any documentation for adept ;(
[10:24] <l3m> kynaptic is probably better documented
[10:24] <dooglus> I clicked 'search', it asked me if I wanted to build an index.  I told it yes, and it showed me the KDE Crash Handler.
[10:24] <l3m> i get a message that adept doesn't have docs..
[10:24] <l3m> hmm
[10:25] <l3m> anyway, if you just want to update, click on "fetch updates", "commit changes"
[10:25] <dooglus> I tried building the index again.  this time it didn't crash, but tells me "htdig failed"
[10:25] <l3m> forget the index. kubu people didn't include adept docs, as it seems ;(
[10:25] <nalioth> dooglus: imho, i'd use synaptic
[10:26] <l3m> i prefer console tools ( apt-get, apt-cache, apt-file ) anyway
[10:26] <dooglus> l3m: me too.  then you can run them from a crontab automatically
[10:27] <l3m> indeed ;)
[10:28] <nalioth> dooglus: so why are you in a feather about adept and upgrade indicators?
[10:29] <dooglus> nalioth: I'm not in a feather (whatever that is) but I'd like the desktop I use to be able to keep up with security updates without me poking it to do so every day
[10:30] <dooglus> you can't really expect end users to run a package manager regularly to check for security updates.  that's why gnome has its update notifier and windows too
[10:30] <nalioth> dooglus: your k/x/ubuntu SHOULD hit the servers once a week, no matter what DE you use
[10:30] <dooglus> it might hit the servers, but how does it communicate to the user that something needs to be done?
[10:31] <nalioth> dooglus: that has not yet been addressed in kubuntu
[10:35] <gar-> ?
[10:38] <CyberMad> how to choose KDE Start Menu without mouse? because the mouse can't move.. but the keyboard is ok
[10:39] <dooglus> CyberMad: alt-f1
[10:40] <Tm_T> ctrl-esc?
[10:42] <CyberMad> i will try it
[10:44] <GTroy> if I've installed kubuntu-desktop, do I get to decide if I want to use kde?
[10:44] <nalioth> GTroy: of course you do
[10:44] <Tm_T> GTroy: in login: session ;)
[10:44] <nalioth> GTroy: you choose at the login screen under "sessions"
[10:44] <GTroy> very cool
[10:45] <GTroy> just what I was looking for
[10:45] <GTroy> nalioth: I helped someone with their wifi today
[10:45] <GTroy> felt good to finally give some help
[10:45] <nalioth> GTroy: be careful, you help people, you tend to learn stuff
[10:45] <GTroy> I'll keep that in mind ;)
[10:50] <afterhome> window switching :)
[10:57] <CyberMad> how to configure PPPoE on linux?
[10:58] <aftertaf> !pppoe
[10:58] <ubotu> pppoe is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[10:58] <aftertaf> CyberMad:  ^^^^
[10:58] <CyberMad> thanks :)
[11:12] <chx> hi. is there a DC++ client besides Valknut/DCgui?
[11:27] <puckman> Not said this in aaaages
[11:28] <GTroy> hey puckman what's up
[11:29] <puckman> My system!
[11:29] <GTroy> on kubuntu now
[11:29] <puckman> Yeah, Amarok is the app that made me switch
[11:29] <GTroy> what are some other cool apps?
[11:29] <puckman> It plays mod files
[11:29] <GTroy> oooh
[11:30] <puckman> the IM client is cool but is missing some features I need so still use gaim
[11:30] <puckman> the mail client is very nice
[11:30] <puckman> Kate, the text editor is very solid
[11:30] <puckman> Of course you need to install VLC
[11:35] <dipnlik> puckman: what is vlc?
[11:36] <puckman> You dont know???
[11:36] <dipnlik> no
[11:36] <puckman> Video Lan media player.
[11:36] <dipnlik> hm
[11:36] <puckman> Very good
[11:36] <puckman> plays almost anything.
[11:36] <dipnlik> well, i had no problems with mplayer yet :)
[11:36] <puckman> avi, mp4, quicktime, divx
[11:36] <dipnlik> just curious. is it possible to install ubuntu from a kubuntu hoary CD? (I mean, no trace of KDE?)
[11:36] <puckman> and has a plugin for firfox
[11:37] <puckman> Should be
[11:37] <puckman> kde is just the windows manager with some extra apps right?
[11:37] <puckman> So switch off all kde stuff at install and you should be ok
[11:38] <dipnlik> puckman: then I'll have no KDE but still no gnome. I mean, what do I need to apt-get to have all the gnome stuff that comes in ubuntu?
[11:39] <puckman> dunno off my head.
[11:39] <puckman> I reckon it is WAY faster just to download the gnome version of ubuntu
[11:39] <puckman> its only a 600mb  disc image
[11:40] <dipnlik> puckman: it'll cost a CD :)
[11:40] <puckman> true
[11:40] <dipnlik> puckman: and with net install I can use the system while downloading the rest
[11:40] <puckman> thats why you should download it where you work and burn a cd there :P
[11:41] <dipnlik> mp3blaster :)
[11:41] <dipnlik> puckman: no CD burner here :|
[11:41] <puckman> darn
[11:41] <dipnlik> sad
[11:41] <puckman> sorry cant help you, still a linux newbie
[11:42] <dipnlik> no problem
[11:42] <puckman> I can use linux because of the good work of the ubuntu and kde guys who make nice gui tools for noobs like me
[11:45] <osorgho> BN
[11:50] <l3m> dipnlik: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is want you want ( but not what you need, that would be kubuntu-desktop ;) )
[11:59] <dipnlik> l3m: thanks a lot
[12:11] <dipnlik> Is e17 (enlightenment's new version) available on the repos?
[12:12] <crimsun> nope.
[12:35] <sfazruzs> hi guys!
[12:35] <sfazruzs> do anyone know kubuntu software or prog for avi or wmv files?
[12:36] <dragonkh> kaffeine ?
[12:40] <carsten> hi! I want to install the real player. i am using adept for installing. should i use the package "realplay" or "realplayer" ?
[12:41] <manveru> !realplayer
[12:41] <ubotu> [realplayer]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:42] <manveru> !info realplay
[12:42] <manveru> there is no realplay according to ubotu
[12:42] <afterhome> carsten: id install vlc and plugins for rm media instead;
[12:42] <insanekane> !info realplayer
[12:42] <ubotu> realplayer: (Real Player (installer)), section multiverse/net, is optional. Version: 8.0.11 (breezy), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[12:43] <insanekane> !help
[12:43] <kinfo> Available commands: !help, !uptime, !netuse, ??, !!, !cs, !whoset, !learn, !relearn, !forget, !topten, !status
[12:43] <sfazruzs> !winamp
[12:43] <ubotu> hmm... winamp is use XMMS or Beep Media Player (BMP) instead (Winamp for linux doesn't work on Ubuntu)
[12:44] <carsten> manveru: i just installed "realplay" . strange
[12:44] <manveru> interesting :)
[12:44] <insanekane> this BMP ... is it a GNOME thingy ?
[12:44] <carsten> ist version 10. it seems to work
[12:46] <insanekane> question, if Restricted Formats are not allowed in the main distro, then wouldn't it be anti-user friendly ?
[12:46] <manveru> it is a legal thing
[12:47] <afterhome> hi Hobbsee 
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hi afterhome 
[12:48] <sfazruzs> !anti virus
[12:48] <ubotu> sfazruzs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:48] <sfazruzs> !virus
[12:48] <ubotu> sfazruzs: Syntax error in line 1
[12:50] <Hobbsee> !antivirus
[12:50] <ubotu> No idea, Hobbsee
[12:50] <Hobbsee> sfazruzs: you're looking for an antivirus program?
[12:51] <manveru> wtf is a virus? ;)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:53] <Hobbsee> manveru: it's somethign that happens on windows
[12:54] <sfazruzs> then what the hell is f-prot and clamav and aegis-virus scanner about?
[12:54] <sfazruzs> isn't it anti-virus software?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> they are
[12:55] <Hobbsee> none of the windows viruses work on linux
[12:55] <Hobbsee> and there are only a few linux ones
[12:55] <Hobbsee> search on ubuntuforums.org if you want the full story about it
[12:55] <Hobbsee> it's something that's asked about a lot
[12:56] <sfazruzs> which games is the best for kubuntu?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> depends on which ones you like :P - very hard to pick one in particular
[12:57] <sfazruzs> for u?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> i like kpat, and planet penguin racer
[12:58] <Hobbsee> kpat is otherwise known as patience, as part of kdegames
[12:58] <carsten> afterhome: can you please tell me what the name of the vlc rm plugin package is ? i cant find it !
[01:00] <sfazruzs> how to make shortcut icon?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> sfazruzs: on your desktop?
[01:02] <nalioth> morning Hobbsee 
[01:02] <Hobbsee> evening nalioth 
[01:02] <berkes> my koffice will not run properly, is this a known issue? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437679 is the error
[01:03] <berkes> basically it is nagging about MimeTypes
[01:04] <berkes> sfazruzs: in linux you make them, using ln. but thats commandline magic. 
[01:04] <berkes> type #ln into your conq address bar and youll get a nice manpage on this great command
[01:04] <carsten> does anyon know how the rm plugin for vlc is called?
[01:06] <sfazruzs> ok thanx..let say if for "start menu"?
[01:06] <berkes> sfazruzs: you cannot make a symlink to a start menu, since that is not a location
[01:07] <berkes> allright no answer yet: here is the error koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Couldn't find the native MimeType in kword's desktop file. Check your installation !
[01:07] <sfazruzs> oh,okies..i accidently deleted a shortcut link that is my firefox..
[01:08] <sfazruzs> so,how do i create a new one at my start menu?
[01:08] <berkes> sfazruzs: aah. rightklick on the start menu
[01:08] <berkes> youll find a menu editor, that is a nice tool to fix this
[01:13] <Hobbsee> kappfinder will work, too
[01:13] <sfazruzs> ok..then,how do i find firefox exe file?
[01:13] <Hobbsee> should be /usr/bin/firefox
[01:13] <Hobbsee> otherwise just put "firefox" and it will find it
[01:14] <berkes> sfazruzs: the command which does it too: which firefox
[01:14] <nalioth> Hobbsee should be a professor of kde
[01:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:14] <berkes> but, sfazruzs, firefox is a littlebit of a biatch to install, 
[01:15] <berkes> sfazruzs: the one you need is a script called mozilla-firefox
[01:15] <Hobbsee> berkes: where'd you try and install it from?  was fairly simple when i last did it
[01:15] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox firefox
[01:16] <Hobbsee> sfazruzs: alt+f2, type kappfinder, then hit scan, and tick the box marked mozilla firefox, then hit apply <-- simplest way of doing it
[01:16] <sfazruzs> i dont have ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html....
[01:17] <Hobbsee> sfazruzs: yes, because you use kubuntu - set your home page to be something else
[01:17] <Hobbsee> edit, preferences, in firefox
[01:17] <sfazruzs> i see..
[01:20] <sfazruzs> thx guys..
[01:20] <sfazruzs> set already:)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:20] <berkes> Hobbsee: just from the normal repos. Hobbsee, im in #koffice now, some very odd stuff seems to go on in (my) kubuntu
[01:21] <Hobbsee> berkes: right
[01:21] <Hobbsee> berkes: even from the main site to use one of the RC's is pretty easy
[01:30] <berkes> So, Hobbsee, thanks for your help too. Its an odd problem, and I will keep an eye on the bugtracker to see if others come across this too. It sounds like something went wrong somewhere with a sudo or so.
[01:30] <Hobbsee> or a chown
[01:30] <Hobbsee> could well be
[01:31] <berkes> well, I personally never touched anything in there
[01:31] <berkes> so it must have happened when I did something else. 
[01:31] <nalioth> using chown when you dont know the problem can create many more horrible problems
[01:31] <berkes> could be because I installed klik, and it failed, then i ran it as sudo: 
[01:32] <berkes> nalioth: i never used chown nor chmod :) well, only now, to give me back my perms :)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> i never know quite what's happening...
[01:34] <spk> have i to change any option to burn a boot cd from k3b?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> spk: just make sure you're burning a data cd, and that it's got the image button ticked
[01:37] <nalioth> spk: if the iso is mastered as a bootable image, you dont have to touch anything in k3b. just burn the iso
[01:38] <spk> thx nalioth 
[01:38] <spk> thx Hobbsee 
[01:38] <spk> :-)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:39] <rohan> hi all
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hi rohan 
[01:39] <rohan> hi Hobbsee 
[01:40] <rohan> any problems with the kde rc1 packages ?
[01:40] <rohan> known problems, i mean
[01:40] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[01:40] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[01:40] <Hobbsee> some, yes
[01:40] <Hobbsee> here, not too many
[01:40] <rohan> lol, that for 3.5 beta1
[01:40] <rohan> i am talking about rc1
[01:40] <Hobbsee> rohan: check the bottom of it
[01:41] <Hobbsee> the page hasnt been renamed
[01:41] <Hobbsee> trust me - it's got rc1 at the bottom :P
[01:41] <rohan> ok, sorry :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> no problems - only reason i know that without looking is that i've edited that page a fair few times
[01:41] <nalioth> 3.5 has gone gold, haven't y'all heard?
[01:42] <rohan> gold ? meaning ?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> nalioth: really?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> where'd you hear that?
[01:43] <nalioth> on the tech news sites?
[01:43] <afterhome> gone gold?
[01:43] <nalioth> kde.org
[01:43] <Hobbsee> nalioth: link?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:43] <Hobbsee> wonder why it's not on their rss feed yet
[01:43] <Hobbsee> nalioth: link - i dont see it
[01:43] <spk> if the buring is choppy it means that i have to enable the DMA?
[01:44] <nalioth> the news story i read said "kde 'quietly' announces kde 3.5 final"
[01:44] <nalioth> Riddell: do you know anything about that?
[01:44] <afterhome> lol its final then?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> nalioth: rc2 is in source form, nothing about a final
[01:45] <rohan> nalioth: link link
[01:45] <nalioth> let me find the news link
[01:45] <Hobbsee> not all the packages are there on the rc2 bit yet, either
[01:45] <Riddell> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/  no 3.5 there
[01:45] <nalioth> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-nl&m=113261565213710
[01:45] <nalioth> everybody go read it
[01:46] <nalioth> quick 
[01:46] <nalioth> quick
[01:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-rc2/src/ is all i see
[01:46] <Riddell> 3.5 is tagged though
[01:46] <Hobbsee> what's tagging mean?
[01:46] <Riddell> and infact I have packaged if people running breezy want to test
[01:46] <Hobbsee> i've never understood that bit
[01:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it means it's marked in SVN
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ooh yes please lol!
[01:47] <Hobbsee> as a major release?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> as in, not to be updated further?
[01:47] <Riddell> it can be updated, but only for critical updates
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ah ok, i see
[01:47] <rohan> Riddell: hey, we want to test !
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:47] <afterhome> we wanna update too.
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where is that?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what, the kde3.5 wiki page?  with all the problems?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[01:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[01:51] <Hobbsee> or the annoucement?
[01:51] <Riddell> oh, that's beta
[01:51] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main
[01:51] <Riddell> please test and let me know of any problems
[01:52] <apokryphos> amd64 too? Nice
[01:52] <rohan> Riddell: now that rc2 is out, how long do you think is it, before 3.5 final ?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: RC1 feedback is at the bottom, i've had this discussion with someone else already lol
[01:53] <Riddell> rohan: "whenever he has enough packages", so test these then I'll upload to ktown and he'll have packages :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> 130 upgrades, nice
[01:53] <afterhome> Riddell: no dapper repos yet ;P
[01:53] <rohan> Riddell: ok :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> looking forward to dapper repos...
[01:53] <Riddell> afterhome: dapper doesn't seem to be building anything or I would upload
[01:53] <rohan> anyone know of a best method to remove gnome completely ?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> reformat :P
[01:53] <Hobbsee> no, dont do that
[01:53] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:54] <afterhome> Hobbsee: beat ya. 278 updates
[01:54] <Hobbsee> sheesh!
[01:54] <apokryphos> Riddell: who do we owe all the great 64-bit packs too? Really great to have them being released at the same time as of late :D
[01:54] <Hobbsee> what'd you update from?
[01:54] <apokryphos> *to
[01:54] <afterhome> Hobbsee: rc1 and dapper ;)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> together?
[01:54] <Riddell> rohan: remove libgtk2
[01:54] <afterhome> Hobbsee: yup
[01:54] <Riddell> afterhome: my uber fast amd64 with go faster LEDs
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hmmm...ok then
[01:55] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:55] <rohan> Riddell: ok. but then i will lose stuff like firefox .. and may have some lefotver libs
[01:55] <Hobbsee> wish this had go faster LED's
[01:55] <Hobbsee> rohan: just grab it again, it'll cope :P
[01:55] <apokryphos> Riddell: oh you got one? Nice :)
[01:55] <Riddell> rohan: probably indicates that removing all of gnome is not what you want to do then
[01:56] <apokryphos> rohan: leftover libs can be easily handled with debfoster/deborphan -- but the firefox in ubuntu's repos uses gnome libs
[01:56] <rohan> Hobbsee: lol, ok. or i will use synaptic.
[01:56] <rohan> apokryphos: ok.
[01:56] <rohan> Riddell: yes... i am not yet a qt purist :(
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in #kubuntu-devel, kubuntu is spelt wrong in the topic :P
[01:57] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: your chance to fix it ;-)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ooh can i?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :) hi apokryphos ;)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser!
[01:57] <apokryphos> hey
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi :)
[01:57] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: how's it going? 8)
[01:57] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: yup
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad mate, self? (online, so it's not all bad :D)
[01:58] <afterhome> Hobbsee: youve been promoted again ;)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> excellent...i thought that was ops only
[01:58] <Hobbsee> fixed it :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> afterhome: ooh have i? 
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi afterhome
[01:58] <afterhome> lol
[01:58] <afterhome> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[01:58] <Hobbsee> i'd like ops too lol, but this is good for now
[01:58] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: good. Weekend! How could I possibly feel down? ;-)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> 1 min 40....
[01:59] <afterhome> banging it down with snow here right now
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) you could have a meeting both days lik eme
[01:59] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: that only applies when channel mode is set to +t 
[01:59] <Hobbsee> think i have them turned off
[02:00] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: your IRC client should show it, but if not: /mode #channel
[02:00] <Hobbsee> i see
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh, that...yes
[02:01] <Hobbsee> unpacking....
[02:01] <Hobbsee> what's the command to restart kde, if you dont want to reboot?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> killall kdm?
[02:01] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: ctrl alt backspace?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> nah, i think there's an actual command that's got something to do with kdm...
[02:02] <Hobbsee> but i'll try that first
[02:02] <apokryphos> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> your thinking /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> mm. what he said ;P
[02:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's it
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[02:03] <rohan> apokryphos could have used screen
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Unpacking replacement umbrello ...
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:03] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libcvsservice0_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[02:03] <Hobbsee> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:03] <apokryphos> me too
[02:03] <apokryphos> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437725
[02:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: 8)
[02:03] <rohan> there have to be more errors
[02:04] <rohan> only that much ?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:04] <apokryphos> if you select to install it manually you get more output (see pastebin)
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. 64s
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> dpkg it ;)
[02:05] <apokryphos> installing it isn't a problem; Riddell just asked for testing, so he may wanna know :P
[02:05] <Hobbsee> second try at upgrade, and it seems to upgrade...
[02:05] <apokryphos> s/installing/getting around it/
[02:05] <l3m>  apokryphos dpkg -i --force-overwrite <packagename>
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:05] <apokryphos> l3m: as I said, it's easy to get around 8)
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> stop distracting me from work :P
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you know that kdebase is broken, i take it?
[02:06] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: how?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: apokryphos http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437728
[02:07] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: try apt-get -f install
[02:07] <Hobbsee> er...for some reason, i didnt
[02:07] <apokryphos> and you should be doing dist-upgrade
[02:07] <apokryphos> (but with k-desktop first)
[02:07] <afterhome> aha..... :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, doing that now lol
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ew, you don't upgrade :S
[02:08] <rohan> oh, i cant install kde rc2 if i dont have kde already ? i am on pure gnome atm
[02:08] <apokryphos> also, kdebase doesn't actually come with kubuntu-desktop
[02:08] <apokryphos> it selects only various parts of it (IIRC)
[02:08] <rohan> Riddell: when you have time, can you please make amarok 1.3.6 / 1.3.5 with xine engine ?
[02:08] <apokryphos> things like kpersonalizer aren't installed etc
[02:08] <Hobbsee> still broken...
[02:09] <apokryphos> rohan: it already does have; see the announcement
[02:09] <rohan> apokryphos: not the xine engine, iirc
[02:09] <apokryphos> yup, it's there
[02:09] <rohan> *checks*
[02:09] <afterhome> what is the real diff between an upgrade and a dist-upgrade?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> back in a sec, i hope
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> afterhome: dist-upgrade wont break your system ;)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> afterhome: dist-upgrade resolvs dependancies
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> k Hobbsee
[02:10] <afterhome> ohhh.
[02:10] <afterhome> k
[02:10] <rohan> arghh.. on kubuntu site alt-d takes me to download page!
[02:10] <apokryphos> afterhome: good description in the man page
[02:10] <afterhome> dont care anyway. dapper X is broken right now :)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser>  5.1 .:Software Installed on the Server:. 
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ubuntu "Breezy" Server 	5.10, or Debian 3.1 ("Sarge").   
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> afterhome: is it?
[02:11] <afterhome> yes sir it is ;)
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i wont find out for 2 or 3 days
[02:11] <apokryphos> rohan: hm, alt+d is duplicate window isn't it?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> my ISP mirror every 3 days
[02:11] <afterhome> they mirror? you cant get it direct?
[02:11] <rohan> apokryphos: on firefox, it is "select address bar"
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> afterhome: yeh, they mirror. fast connection, and unmetered
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *hugs*
[02:11] <Hobbsee> right, well that updated
[02:12] <apokryphos> rohan: ah, no; that's F6 on Konq
[02:12] <Hobbsee> *hugs Kamping_Kaiser in return*
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:12] <rohan> apokryphos: ok. i dont use konq :)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> now, what are we testing?
[02:12] <apokryphos> rohan: very easy to change :)
[02:12] <rohan> apokryphos: yes, but its the site thats the problem
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would you like tested?
[02:12] <afterhome> kde? :P
[02:13] <Hobbsee> well, der lol
[02:13] <Hobbsee> anything in particular?
[02:13] <apokryphos> rohan: what url exactly?
[02:13] <rohan> apokryphos: kubuntu.org
[02:13] <Hobbsee> even force install of kdebase doesnt work
[02:13] <afterhome> ubotu: cigarette
[02:13] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but afterhome needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[02:14] <afterhome> ubotu: good bot
[02:14] <ubotu> :)
[02:14] <apokryphos> rohan: hm, no... Ctrl+D is duplicate window. Alt+D isn't assigned anything -- on k.org it doesn't download anything for me. Weird :/
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> afterhome:  :)
[02:14] <afterhome> hehe
[02:14] <Hobbsee> alt d for me now goes to #kde
[02:14] <rohan> apokryphos: alt-d
[02:14] <afterhome> a first for me... ssh to home and connect via irsii :)
[02:14] <afterhome> muchas fun
[02:15] <apokryphos> rohan: letters in kde shortcuts aren't case sensitive :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:15] <Hobbsee> nice
[02:15] <Hobbsee> media:// bug is still there
[02:16] <afterhome> thats what makes kde great!
[02:16] <Hobbsee> but the drag and drop bug is fixed - yay!
[02:16] <rohan> apokryphos: dude, its a kubuntu.org problem. try pressing ctrl-d in kubuntu.org window in firefox
[02:16] <afterhome> like gnome crashing on boot nad having no panel or foot to click on... makes it what it is ;)
[02:16] <rohan> oops
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[02:16] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> !lart afterhome
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oops, wrong chan lol
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:18] <Hobbsee> put it in kubuntu offtopic first...
[02:18] <afterhome> bot!
[02:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that it installs and works
[02:19] <rohan> apokryphos: dude, its a kubuntu.org problem. try pressing ctrl-d in kubuntu.org window in firefox
[02:19] <nalioth> aftertaf: you should hope it's not a bot in #kubuntu 
[02:19] <apokryphos> rohan: ctrl+d now? I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I'm saying I can't reproduce it
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems to, media:// bug is still there
[02:20] <rohan> oh my god
[02:20] <aftertaf> what do you mean nalioth ?
[02:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which bug?
[02:20] <rohan> i am going crazy
[02:20] <rohan> apokryphos: i am sorry, i meant alt-d
[02:20] <apokryphos> yup, don't see it
[02:20] <rohan> strange
[02:20] <rohan> i am in gnome, using firefox
[02:20] <nalioth> aftertaf: this is #kubuntu. i've yet to see one of the current infestation of spambots in here
[02:20] <apokryphos> hoorah! Kopete "Identity" bug not there :D
[02:20] <aftertaf> oh...; lol yeah;
[02:20] <rohan> its logical, that alt-d takes to download, but its irritating all the same
[02:20] <aftertaf> looked like one though.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hard drives dont show up in media:// but they do in /media
[02:21] <nalioth> aftertaf: lots of users have seemingly random nicks
[02:21] <apokryphos> rohan: Alt+D is not assigned any shortcut in Konqueror by default
[02:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, that's expected, I'll look into it at some point
[02:21] <aftertaf> to assume randomness is to pretend to have knowledge of the said person..... ;) true
[02:21] <apokryphos> ahh! You mean Ctrl, and then D
[02:21] <apokryphos> you guys are talking about accesskeys, not Konqueror shortcuts
[02:21] <rohan> apokryphos: i dont use konq. i am sure that kubuntu.org is programmed to be that way. its alt-d in firefox
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: open up konq, go to storage media, brings up empty window as media:/ yet /media/ (the same location, i expect) brings up the correct partitions, etc
[02:22] <apokryphos> rohan: Ctrl, and then D takes you to download area of kubuntu.org because that's the accesskey assigned to the anchor tag
[02:22] <rohan> apokryphos: maybe kubuntu.org doesnt capture keystrokes for konq, or konq doesnt support that feature
[02:22] <rohan> apokryphos: yes.
[02:22] <Riddell> media:/ and /media are very different
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, they're thinking that this is only relevant to the kubuntu packages of 3.5 - http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116078 not sure if you want to try and sort that out at some point
[02:22] <rohan> apokryphos: thats what .. 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> are they?
[02:22] <rohan> apokryphos: its alt-d in firefox
[02:22] <apokryphos> rohan: it's not a konqueror shortcut :D
[02:22] <apokryphos> ok
[02:22] <rohan> and ctrl-d crashes firefox
[02:23] <rohan> arghhh!
[02:23] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:23] <aftertaf>  /media is a mount point.
[02:23] <aftertaf> and a directory
[02:23] <apokryphos> rohan: stick to opera/konqueror :P
[02:23] <rohan> apokryphos: :)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ah, true
[02:23] <apokryphos> Kopete in 3.5 has webcam support? I thought it didn't make it in, in time :-O
[02:24] <Hobbsee> looks like it does, not tried it though
[02:24] <aftertaf> yayyyyyyy
[02:24] <apokryphos> very very cool
[02:24] <Hobbsee> has nudges and buzzes, too
[02:24] <aftertaf> how msn !
[02:24] <Hobbsee> which dont shake the entire screen - yay to kopete!
[02:24] <aftertaf> yay
[02:24] <aftertaf> lol
[02:24] <Hobbsee> that always annoys me when i have to use msn lol...always...
[02:24] <apokryphos> and smooth scrolling :D
[02:24] <aftertaf> :me sings away bug bug squish squish
[02:24] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:25] <Hobbsee> guess bug day is over around now...
[02:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: any chance of eventually getting "smooth scrolling in all apps". Tried suse the other day which had it and it made for a good experience :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> seeing as  it's the 26th now
[02:25] <rohan> apokryphos: smooth scrolling ? whats that ?
[02:25] <rohan> is kde rc2 so broken that i mustnt use it ?
[02:25] <rohan> because i am tempted
[02:25] <Hobbsee> rohan: doesnt seem broken here
[02:25] <apokryphos> it's not broken really at all
[02:26] <rohan> anyone read my "scrap kubuntu" message on sounder ?
[02:26] <apokryphos> as coolo said -- "rock solid"
[02:26] <Hobbsee> you see a couple of people here who have just updated, who are freely chatting, and not cursing, so it probably means it's pretty good
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:26] <rohan> apokryphos: ok. 
[02:26] <rohan> i will install kde rc2 then
[02:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: I can look into it but I've heard their patch has beasties
[02:26] <shirase> hi there
[02:26] <rohan> Hobbsee: lol
[02:26] <Hobbsee> the only way i knew it had updated was by changing the Kmenu icon back to the original, instead of the butterfly that was there before
[02:27] <rohan> anyone read my "scrap kubuntu" message on sounder ? and anyone agree with me ?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hey shirase 
[02:27] <shirase> Hobbsee could you help me...i'm trying to install the ati-driver under 6.04 dapper
[02:27] <apokryphos> Riddell: oh ok. And one other random point: in normal Konq, when you hit F2 (rename), it really shouldn't highlight the extension too, I think. Konq seems to have this right in Right-Click -> Properties, but it was missed for normal rename :-O
[02:27] <Hobbsee> !ati
[02:27] <ubotu> from memory, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[02:28] <Hobbsee> shirase: i doubt i could help - i dont have an ati card, but i know others here do
[02:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: KDE happily accepts all patches :)
[02:28] <shirase> ubotu i don't have a running xserver... it won't start
[02:28] <ubotu> shirase: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[02:28] <rohan> Riddell: lol
[02:29] <apokryphos> I've seen a patch for it somewhere I think; I'll try to track it down
[02:29] <aftertaf> shirase: you on dapper by any chance?
[02:29] <shirase> aftertaf yes
[02:29] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: indeed, that was originally there
[02:29] <aftertaf> shirase: x is borked in dapper right now.
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:30] <shirase> aftertaf so there's no chance to get my ati crad up?
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> we doing the 7 transition?
[02:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell shirase about yourself
[02:32] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser: i think so
[02:32] <Hobbsee> excellent - akregator now starts on boot - it didnt seem to before when i installed and upgraded straight to rc1
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. thought it wasnt for a while
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> and bugger
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just got x working right, now it's going to break :|
[02:33] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:33] <aftertaf> yay
[02:33] <aftertaf> omg   thunder and snow and lightning
[02:33] <aftertaf> why do i have an hour's drive home ?? :/
[02:33] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: try coming home in a hot air baloon or something?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> eek
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: you can comme over here
[02:36] <aftertaf> would like to.....
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: invite everyone over for dinner or something lol
[02:36] <Hobbsee> anyway, must go to bed, before i fall asleep at the computer, and type interesting things with my forehead....
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> your all invited
[02:37] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok bye Hobbsee
[02:37] <Hobbsee> oh goody - send me a plane ticket? 
[02:37] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: I'll drop by on my way home from NZ :P
[02:37] <Hobbsee> oh goody :P
[02:37] <Hobbsee> make sure you get the right state - new south wales lol
[02:38] <Hobbsee> night!
[02:38] <aftertaf> work? saturday? that sux
[02:38] <Riddell> so who has rc2 installed? and were there any problems?
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[02:39] <aftertaf> me, but no X so cant say.....
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> but it could be sunday, because it's today for 9 minutes ;)
[02:40] <aftertaf> Riddell:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libKTTSD_Lib.la', which is also in package kttsd
[02:40] <Riddell> aftertaf: what is trying to overwrite?
[02:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: check my pastebin above
[02:42] <apokryphos> pastebin down *again* :/
[02:42] <nalioth> apokryphos: which one? there's hundreds
[02:42] <apokryphos> nalioth: .com
[02:43] <aftertaf> ksayit and kttsd Riddell 
[02:43] <rohan> btw, anyone know why my .fluxbox/startup file is not exec-ed on login on ubuntu ? 
[02:43] <rohan> it works on slackware and arch
[02:49] <mrmarcel> hi
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[02:59] <phimic> hallo
[02:59] <xtacocorex> ubotu: help with mount
[02:59] <xtacocorex> well that didn't work
[02:59] <xtacocorex> good morning phimic
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi xtacocorex, hi phimic
[03:00] <xtacocorex> good morning Kamping_Kaiser
[03:00] <phimic> it is possible to append a custom dsdt on the kernel comman line or must i rebuild a initial ramdisk?
[03:00] <xtacocorex> phimic: you lost me after dsdt
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure phimic
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> xtacocorex: whatd o you need help with?
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *do you
[03:01] <xtacocorex> Kamping_Kaiser: nope, i'm just chilling now and was testing out the help bot to see how to better use it
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah cool
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. it's always scary when your 130$ off buget
[03:02] <yannz> you have to put the $-sign in front of your money, so they don't spill.
[03:03] <xtacocorex> haha
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:05] <xtacocorex> !ubotu
[03:05] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[03:05] <xtacocorex> nice, a whole help guide on the bot
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. it's cool
[03:07] <xtacocorex> i forgot how to mount iso images and someone asked last night so i tried using the bot to tell them, but the only think i knew was the ! command
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> !!
[03:08] <ubotu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[03:08] <xtacocorex> haha
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) bit a lag there
[03:09] <xtacocorex> when did they start using the bot?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. at least 9 months ago, that's when i started coming here a lot
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> make that 10 months
[03:11] <xtacocorex> really, i haven't seen it until yesterday
[03:11] <xtacocorex> and i just remembered a question
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:11] <xtacocorex> i got the 6000+ fonts from kde-apps and i put them in subdirectories based on starting letter of the font, so arial would go in folder a
[03:12] <xtacocorex> i made an installer script that would copy all the fonts to /usr/share/fonts
[03:12] <xtacocorex> since i reinstalled on sunday, i can't see them system wide
[03:13] <xtacocorex> it worked in hoary and breezy before i screwed it up last friday
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> run ls -lh on the dirs and check they are are read+executealb
[03:14] <xtacocorex> in /usr/share/fonts or in the folder that i have in my home directory?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /usr/share/fonts
[03:15] <xtacocorex> just -rwx------
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> try `ls -lh /usr/share/fonts`
[03:15] <xtacocorex> that was for folder /usr/share/fonts/a
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> who owns the directory?
[03:16] <xtacocorex> my xorg.conf file didn't have the line: FontPath  "unix:/7100" so i added that
[03:16] <xtacocorex> root owns in
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's probably the problem then
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> you want at least 555 on that dir, maybe 755
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> (if you want root to write)
[03:18] <xtacocorex> i just checked the font wiki and it said something about enabling bitmap fonts with dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[03:18] <xtacocorex> should i run that
[03:18] <nalioth> xtacocorex: do you have those types of font?
[03:18] <xtacocorex> nalioth: they're ttf
[03:19] <xtacocorex> i just saw that section in the wiki so i'm going to try to chown them according to that
[03:20] <nalioth> xtacocorex: then you dont need to dpkg anything
[03:21] <xtacocorex> nalioth: ok
[03:28] <carsten> i try to compile scummvm and i get an error message "sudo apt-get build-dep scummvm" -> "couldnt open /var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_source_Sources - open"
[03:28] <nalioth> carsten: "sudo apt-get update"
[03:29] <carsten> nalioth: i think we both talked yesterday?
[03:29] <nalioth> carsten: i'm sure we have.
[03:29] <carsten> nalioth: my dsl line broke down, and i fell asleep waiting for it to come back up :(
[03:30] <nalioth> carsten: that doesnt sound good
[03:30] <xtacocorex> ubotu tell xtacocorex about chmod
[03:31] <xtacocorex> that was another test of the bot
[03:31] <carsten> but it is all fixed now. and the torrents run as smooth as ever :)
[03:31] <nalioth> carsten: that sounds better
[03:31] <nalioth> xtacocorex: did the bot tell you to not msg yourself?
[03:31] <xtacocorex> yeah
[03:32] <Riddell> kdeaccessibility should be fixed, you'll need to update and rm /var/cache/apt/archive/ksayit*
[03:37] <carsten> whoever made kubuntu, he really impressed me. Yesterday I put my old 120 GB PATA drive in an external Firewire Case, and powered it up and connected it to my firewire controller, and Kubunut automatically found the device, and I could access all files, there was no problem. (the HD was formatted with NTFS) .. impressive
[03:37] <TROGDOR42> Nice
[03:37] <carsten> the powerbook of a friend of mine was not able to accomplish that.
[03:37] <TROGDOR42> That would probably apply to Ubuntu as well
[03:38] <carsten> TROGDOR42: guess so. but i never used the non-k version
[03:38] <TROGDOR42> carsten:Yeah, I can't stand GNOME
[03:39] <carsten> TROGDOR42: i hve nothing against gnome. I just like this KDE all in one idea. even if it is a performance hog (so i've been told)
[03:40] <TROGDOR42> carsten: I don't mean I have something against GNOME, just that I prefer KDE.
[03:42] <carsten> TROGDOR42: i see. I am basically a Linux Noob. I am using a fli4l router like 3 years now and it has a galactical uptime. no crashes, no problems, perfect. I always played with the thought of using linux, but the only distro i tried (a lot of times) was suse. and i was never very happy with it, because it never ran like i  wanted it to.. oh "sudo apt-get build-dep scummvm" just finished
[03:44] <carsten> now : "auto-apt run ./configure" in the scummvm folder, right?
[03:47] <nalioth> carsten: sound's good to me
[03:48] <TROGDOR42> carsten:  How long have you been using Linux then?
[03:48] <carsten> nalioth: he created config.h and config.mak. no errors. now i should use checkinstall ? right?
[03:48] <nalioth> carsten: try make
[03:48] <nalioth> carsten: and then "sudo checkinstall"
[03:49] <carsten> TROGDOR42: as an cheap flexible internet router ? 3 1/2 years i guess (syslinux..) as a full blown desktop replacement for xp (tries = 20 all suse) but now with never come back option. my xp partition on this new HD is 4.5 GB in size. all the rest 195GB is all kubuntu
[03:50] <TROGDOR42> Nice
[03:50] <TROGDOR42> I've only been using Linux since Septemberish
[03:51] <carsten> TROGDOR42: so, i always tried suse on some old boxen, like real old hardware. where sometimes memtest failed. and all that. now i only have kubuntu. I told myself. "no excuses, lets do this", okay, tring make now "./make" ?
[03:51] <TROGDOR42> Anybody know how I can get Windoze Media Player capabilities in Linux (Konqueror and/or Firefox)
[03:51] <l3m> make
[03:51] <l3m> no ./
[03:52] <nalioth> carsten: just "make"
[03:52] <l3m> ./command = execute command in local directory
[03:52] <nalioth> carsten: ./make will fail
[03:52] <l3m> but make is a system program, e.g. it's in /bin, /usr/bin or so 
[03:52] <l3m> and therefore doesn't need ./ 
[03:52] <l3m> ;)
[03:52] <carsten> i see. ./ only for executables (or scripts) in the current dir. like .
[03:53] <nalioth> carsten: ./ is for things NOT in your path
[03:54] <TROGDOR42> Anybody know how to get Windoze media working in Linux?
[03:54] <TROGDOR42> I can't play movie trailers and stuff...
[03:54] <l3m> mplayer
[03:55] <l3m> !w32codecs
[03:55] <ubotu> I heard w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[03:55] <l3m> !mplayer
[03:55] <ubotu> [mplayer]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[03:55] <TROGDOR42> Thank you
[03:55] <l3m> mplayer with w32codecs will play everything ;)
[03:55] <carsten> TROGDOR42: i learned a lot in this week. like, how i can change monitor frequencies. how to update my kubuntu. how to update the video driver, how to install stuff via adept and via debian .deb files. and now i am learning how to compile all the source. i think that this is really important to know in the *nix world, and THE biggest difference to WIN.
[03:55] <nalioth> l3m: "almost" everything
[03:56] <TROGDOR42> Can I apt-get the w32 codecs?
[03:56] <nalioth> ubotu: tell TROGDOR42 about w32codecs
[03:56] <l3m> nalioth: well more than windows media player can play ;)
[03:56] <nalioth> l3m: but not all microsoft codecs
[03:56] <l3m> TROGDOR42: seveas apt source is broken atm
[03:57] <l3m> TROGDOR42: but you should be able to get it over cipherpunk
[03:57] <l3m> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:57] <carsten> okay. make seemed to work, i cant see any errormessages, i try "sudo checkinstall" now
[03:58] <carsten> hmm he asks me : "Should I create a default set of package docs?  [y] :" ? i think yes is fine?
[03:58] <xtacocorex> got my font problem fixed, it was the permissions that were wrong
[03:59] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: yes is fine
[04:00] <aftertaf> well dapper is stil borked.
[04:00] <carsten> hehe, now i should write my description for the package. 
[04:00] <aftertaf> no X fun for me
[04:00] <TROGDOR42> Well, it's like mega-beta now
[04:01] <nalioth_zZz> aftertaf: irssi is do bomb, man
[04:01] <aftertaf> i gather that ;)
[04:01] <TROGDOR42> Where do I put this list I got from SourceOMatic?
[04:01] <aftertaf> xinit connection error : refused...
[04:01] <nalioth_zZz> aftertaf: if you run irssi in a screen session, you'll never havta worry about loggin off of irc, or ghosts or anything like that
[04:02] <carsten> WOW i think i just made my OWN .deb package. 
[04:02] <nalioth_zZz> TROGDOR42: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: you did you did
[04:02] <mtupper> hey all, i am a newbie and had a wierd thing happen to me that I dont know how to fix... the panel disappeared!  can anybody tell me how to get it back?
[04:02] <TROGDOR42> nanolith_zZz: Thanks
[04:02] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: key words: "your own"
[04:02] <aftertaf> nalioth_zZz: hehe
[04:02] <carsten> nalioth_zZz: thanks, i think i just have to install the deb file now.
[04:02] <nalioth_zZz> night all
[04:03] <TROGDOR42> Gnight
[04:03] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: checkinstall did it for you
[04:03] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: all you have to do is put the .deb away somewhere for safe keeping
[04:03] <carsten> nalioth_zZz: youre right, ist already installed ! WOW. that was not too hard ! Now i compile everything Muhahahar (evil laugh)
[04:04] <nalioth_zZz> carsten: i'll see you later, in CarstenOS
[04:04] <nalioth_zZz> b4n
[04:04] <TROGDOR42> b4n
[04:04] <carsten> hehe b4n?
[04:04] <carsten> beforen?
[04:06] <TROGDOR42> bye for now i believe.
[04:06] <carsten> TROGDOR42: ahh thx, i didnt know that.
[04:06] <TROGDOR42> lol
[04:07] <carsten> i just started scummvm ! it works. now all i have to do is copy the games from this old harddrive
[04:07] <aftertaf> whats the sed command again to change a string in a text file?
[04:10] <l3m> s/orig/new/
[04:10] <l3m> like in vi
[04:10] <TROGDOR42> BRB
[04:18] <aeon17x> Why is KWrite not included in the menus? I always see Kate around, but I had to create a shortcut for KWrite.
[04:19] <l3m> because kwrite is crap and only in kde for historical reasons. use kate ,)
[04:20] <bl3ssing> why can't I get into the Adept software, even I've typed my root password in the right way ...? They told me that I  the ATP Database will be opened in read-only mode ... :(
[04:21] <bl3ssing> helloooooooooooooooooo, is there anybody there?
[04:21] <bl3ssing> or ... eveyrbody's sleeping?
[04:21] <bl3ssing> :-))
[04:22] <TROGDOR42> That happened to me, but I forgot how I fixed it.
[04:22] <bl3ssing> lol TROGDOR42 
[04:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:22] <bl3ssing> I need an answer, not an excuse ... or forget thing ... Hahahha
[04:22] <bl3ssing> why can't I get into the Adept software, even I've typed my root password in the right way ...? They told me that I  the ATP Database will be opened in read-only mode ... :(
[04:22] <TROGDOR42> Try using apt-get
[04:22] <carsten> bl3ssing: i had the problem too
[04:23] <carsten> bl3ssing: there is an crashed adept process in your system
[04:23] <bl3ssing> so ... many people has the same pbs ... How should we fix this? Cause it doesn't hear it very well ...
[04:23] <bl3ssing> what can I do carsten ?
[04:23] <carsten> bl3ssing: open a console and enter "ps -efa | grep adept"
[04:23] <bl3ssing> should I ... delete my adept?
[04:23] <bl3ssing> ok ...
[04:23] <bl3ssing> and than?
[04:23] <l3m> bl3ssing: because you have to enter your user password, nto your root pw
[04:23] <carsten> bl3ssing: no, jsut kill it
[04:23] <l3m> bl3ssing: there is no root
[04:23] <l3m> ;)
[04:23] <l3m> !sudo
[04:23] <ubotu> well, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:24] <l3m> ubotu tell bl3ssing about sudo
[04:24] <carsten> bl3ssing: enter "kill <number>"
[04:24] <bl3ssing> sorry, I have kubutu, not ubutu.
[04:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:24] <l3m> carsten: i don't thing his adept crashed
[04:24] <bl3ssing> which number carsten ?
[04:25] <TROGDOR42> Kubuntu is just like Ubuntu
[04:25] <carsten> okay. i am not sure about this
[04:25] <carsten> what did "ps -efa | grep adept" say?
[04:25] <TROGDOR42> Just KDE instead, so anything on UbuntuGuide.org that isn't about GNOME applies to Kubuntu
[04:25] <l3m> kubuntu IS ubuntu, actually, except for some defaults like the DE ;)
[04:25] <carsten> more then 1 result?
[04:26] <bl3ssing> HOW CAN i ENTER MY USER PASSWORD INTO MY ROOT PW? l3m ?
[04:26] <TROGDOR42> huh?
[04:26] <TROGDOR42> When it comes up with that window asking for a password, just put in your user pw
[04:26] <bl3ssing> carsten, I didn't try with ps -efa|grep adept ... yet
[04:27] <l3m> bl3ssing: you don't
[04:27] <carsten> bl3ssing: dont be afraid ps only shows processes.
[04:27] <l3m> bl3ssing: please don't scream
[04:27] <l3m> bl3ssing: did you read what ubotu told you to? 
[04:27] <l3m> i guess not. please read that ;)
[04:27] <bl3ssing> no
[04:27] <bl3ssing> how can I read ...?
[04:27] <bl3ssing> where from?
[04:27] <l3m> ubotu tell bl3ssing about sudo
[04:27] <LjL> bl3ssing: i'm not sure what you're doing, but if you're simple trying to kill a process called "adept", "killall adept" will do
[04:27] <LjL> bl3ssing: (or "sudo killall adept", more likely in the case of adept)
[04:28] <bl3ssing> shall I do this .. LjL ?
[04:28] <l3m> LjL: he doesn't. he just entered his root password instead of user password, and didn't read the RootSudo text i gave him
[04:28] <l3m> !sudo
[04:28] <ubotu> sudo is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:28] <l3m> ^^ bl3ssing read this!
[04:28] <LjL> l3m: hmm and why does he have a root password to start with?
[04:28] <l3m> LjL: dunno, but if you install kubuntu with "expert" you get asked for one... 
[04:29] <LjL> aw
[04:29] <bl3ssing> there's nothing about ADEPT?
[04:29] <bl3ssing> there...
[04:29] <TROGDOR42> adept is Kubuntu only i believe.
[04:29] <TROGDOR42> can i do one of deze:
[04:29] <TROGDOR42> !adept
[04:29] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[04:29] <l3m> bl3ssing: no, but about why you don't have to use your root password
[04:29] <bl3ssing> my root password is the same with user password
[04:29] <bl3ssing> shall I change them?
[04:29] <bl3ssing> or ...?
[04:30] <bl3ssing> I mean ... my user password should be different than the root one?
[04:30] <LjL> well you shouldn't *have* a root password in the first place, not sure if removing it now will make things as they would have been if you just started without having one, thought
[04:30] <bl3ssing> or ...?
[04:31] <LjL> bl3ssing: your root password should definitely be different from your user password. however, in ubuntu, you're simply supposed to *not have* a root password
[04:31] <l3m> bl3ssing: whenever a graphical admin tool in kubuntu asks you for the password, type in your user password
[04:31] <bl3ssing> really LjL ? wow ... can I be a root without having a password? than ... how can I install any software when I'll need it on my computer, if I won't be a root one? 
[04:31] <LjL> !sudo
[04:31] <ubotu> I heard sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:31] <LjL> !root
[04:31] <ubotu> root is probably rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:31] <l3m> LjL: i pasted himi that link4 times alreadya
[04:31] <l3m> he is not able to read it, it seems
[04:32] <LjL> l3m: anyway, i'm not sure using his user password in adept (and stuff) will work now that he's got a root password set
[04:33] <bl3ssing> l3m, can't you see that LjL is so kind and ... he's not sending me just trying by myself to find the info I need to ..., but he's actually making me understanding that I'll need to do some basically things, than ... perhaps I'll go for reading...?
[04:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:33] <LjL> l3m: actually, i think it will rather *not* work
[04:33] <bl3ssing> ok LjL , I'll remove my root pass
[04:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:33] <LjL> bl3ssing: no, wait
[04:33] <bl3ssing> k
[04:33] <bl3ssing> I'll be waiiting
[04:33] <LjL> bl3ssing: first thing, try running "sudo ls" in a shell
[04:33] <bl3ssing> k
[04:33] <LjL> bl3ssing: and be sure that it works
[04:33] <l3m> bl3ssing: don't remove anything
[04:33] <bl3ssing> ok ...
[04:33] <bl3ssing> :)
[04:34] <l3m> bl3ssing: just read the SuDO text and use sudo from now on
[04:34] <bl3ssing> k guys, I won't remove anything.
[04:34] <l3m> it's so simple
[04:34] <l3m> !sudo
[04:34] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:34] <bl3ssing> but ... l3m, I'm not so good in shell
[04:34] <l3m> ^^ this text. read it. fully
[04:34] <bl3ssing> I need to know a lots of commands ... and I'm just a newbie
[04:34] <LjL> l3m: there is a page somewhere on the wiki, which says that if you enable the root password, you'll have problems accessing KControl and programs using kdesu
[04:34] <bl3ssing> I use linux only since 1 week
[04:34] <l3m> bl3ssing: this has nothing to to with shell usage
[04:34] <bl3ssing> so ...? :-(
[04:34] <jono> Riddell, ping
[04:34] <l3m> LjL: it's not true. i have root enable (expert install, as mentioned before), and everything works just fine
[04:34] <Riddell> good afternoon jono
[04:34] <jono> Riddell, hows things?
[04:34] <bl3ssing> LjL, , that's a very good info you're saying ... I didn't know about this ... :_((
[04:35] <bl3ssing> what can I do now?
[04:35] <Riddell> groovy
[04:35] <bl3ssing> :-(0
[04:35] <l3m> bl3ssing: did you read the RootSudo text?
[04:35] <jono> Riddell, so, can I pester you to come to LUGRadio Live 2006 to do a talk and an exhibition stand for kde or kubuntu?
[04:35] <l3m> if the answer is no, don't ask anything until you read it.
[04:35] <Riddell> jono: certainly can
[04:35] <LjL> l3m: from the RootSudo page ("enabling the root account"): "Note: This is not recommended! It will break all the GUI admin tools"
[04:35] <jono> Riddell, what would you like to talk about?
[04:35] <bl3ssing> shall I use this command to disable my root account?   ....      sudo passwd -l root
[04:35] <bl3ssing> ?
[04:36] <LjL> l3m: it may work for you, but it definitely does break for some other people
[04:36] <bl3ssing> yes l3m, still ...
[04:36] <l3m> LjL: no. you just have to add the user to sudoers
[04:36] <Riddell> jono: when is it?
[04:36] <jono> Riddell, 22nd and 23rd july 2006
[04:36] <l3m> bl3ssing: enter this in your konsole: grep <yourusername> /etc/sudoers 
[04:36] <LjL> l3m: the user is already in sudoers by default, with a normal install... and what that page's talking about is a normal install
[04:37] <Riddell> jono: that's 8 months away?  this is forward planning is it not?
[04:37] <bl3ssing> ok guys. May I know what to do right now, pls?
[04:37] <jono> Riddell, this is gonna be big :P
[04:37] <l3m> bl3ssing: enter this in your konsole: grep <yourusername> /etc/sudoers 
[04:37] <jono> Riddell, two days, three rooms, a big party on the sat night, more speakers, more exhibits....
[04:37] <bl3ssing> I don't want whenever I'm ready to install/uninstall any software, to retype for 10000 times my root pass ...
[04:37] <LjL> l3m: no, he would need "sudo grep <username> /etc/sudoers"
[04:37] <bl3ssing> k
[04:37] <LjL> l3m: /etc/sudoers is read protected ;)
[04:38] <l3m> LjL: oh
[04:38] <jono> Riddell, so I can note you down for a talk and exhibition stand?
[04:38] <l3m> bl3ssing: did you get an error message?
[04:38] <Riddell> jono: yes, I'll talk about KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper
[04:38] <jono> Riddell, wicked :)
[04:38] <Riddell> and exhibit the same
[04:39] <bl3ssing> I've typed this command as LjL  said: "sudo grep <username> /etc/sudoers
[04:39] <bl3ssing> there's no error
[04:39] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:39] <LjL> bl3ssing: and what does it say?
[04:39] <bl3ssing> nothing at all
[04:39] <LjL> bl3ssing: "<username>" would be your own username, mind you ;)
[04:39] <jono> Riddell, do you want a dual KDE/Kubuntu stand or seperate ones?
[04:39] <LjL> bl3ssing: "sudo grep bl3ssing /etc/sudoers", if bl3ssing is your usename
[04:40] <l3m> LjL: he's in sudoers
[04:40] <Riddell> jono: make it a KDE stand with kubuntu, and probably there will be an ubuntu stand with kubuntu as well
[04:40] <l3m> LjL: otherwise sudo grep wouldn't work
[04:40] <LjL> l3m: guess so, since sudo worked ;)
[04:40] <l3m> hehe
[04:40] <jono> Riddell, cool
[04:40] <LjL> l3m: depends, maybe he's in a root shell
[04:40] <l3m> exactly hehe
[04:40] <l3m> LjL: hmm right
[04:40] <l3m> this is kind of funny
[04:40] <l3m> ;)
[04:41] <bl3ssing> there's nothing appearing here ...
[04:41] <LjL> bl3ssing: be sure that your username is in /etc/sudoers... when you're sure, i think you're safe either disabling the root account or changing its password
[04:41] <LjL> bl3ssing: well, try "sudo cat /etc/sudoers"
[04:41] <l3m> bl3ssing: ok. type "visudo" 
[04:41] <LjL> and see if your username appears
[04:41] <l3m> and then copy the line with root ALL and so, and replace "root" in the copied line with your username
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # /etc/sudoers
[04:41] <bl3ssing> #
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[04:41] <bl3ssing> #
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
[04:41] <bl3ssing> #
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # Host alias specification
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # User alias specification
[04:41] <bl3ssing> # Cmnd alias specification
[04:41] <jono> Riddell, cheers pal, job done :)
[04:41] <l3m> bl3ssing: STOP
[04:41] <LjL> no pasting here please
[04:42] <bl3ssing> # Defaults
[04:42] <bl3ssing> Defaults        !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn
[04:42] <bl3ssing> # User privilege specification
[04:42] <l3m> bl3ssing: use the paste bin
[04:42] <bl3ssing> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:42] <LjL> use the pastebin or the #flood channel
[04:42] <jono> Riddell, incidentally, keep up the awesome work :)
[04:42] <bl3ssing> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[04:42] <jono> later
[04:42] <bl3ssing> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:42] <bl3ssing> this has appeared
[04:42] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:42] <bl3ssing> sorry
[04:42] <bl3ssing> paste bin?
[04:42] <bl3ssing> what is this l3m ?
[04:42] <l3m> read the topic
[04:42] <LjL> bl3ssing: look at the channel topic
[04:42] <l3m> bl3ssing: it's really hard to use linux when you don't read 
[04:42] <LjL> bl3ssing: anyway, you're not a sudoer, so do as l3m said
[04:43] <bl3ssing> l3m, I'm listening ... 
[04:43] <l3m> bl3ssing: type "visudo" and add this line: username ALL=(ALL)ALL
[04:43] <bl3ssing> sorry for the paste ... without the bin ..
[04:43] <xtacocorex> to jump on this topic, i don't have my root account activated and i'm not listed in /etc/sudoers and sudo still works for me
[04:43] <l3m> and username is obviously your actual username, not the string "username" ;)
[04:43] <LjL> xtacocorex: hey, you're right
[04:43] <LjL> i'm not a sudoer either
[04:44] <LjL> but the admin groups is a sudoer
[04:44] <bl3ssing> done l3
[04:44] <bl3ssing> l3m, 
[04:44] <LjL> and i suppose we're in the admin group
[04:44] <bl3ssing> I've done it l3m ...
[04:44] <bl3ssing> what now?
[04:44] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:44] <xtacocorex> LjL: i think that's how it defaults
[04:44] <TROGDOR42> g2g
[04:44] <bl3ssing> thanks for helping me.
[04:44] <bl3ssing> TROGDOR42, thanks for help.
[04:44] <TROGDOR42> Bye all
[04:44] <LjL> l3m: did you know this? perhaps he could have just added himself to "admin"
[04:44] <bl3ssing> bye TROGDOR42 
[04:44] <l3m> bl3ssing: now paste your /etc/sudoers into the pastebin
[04:45] <l3m> just to be sure
[04:45] <LjL> didn't even check my /etc/sudoers =)
[04:45] <l3m> and then try adept again
[04:45] <xtacocorex> does bl3ssing know about pastebin?
[04:46] <LjL> this "admin" group idea isn't bad i think... avoids making people edit /etc/sudoers, which is a good thing (even though visudo should make that almost foolproof)
[04:46] <LjL> xtacocorex: now he does
[04:46] <bl3ssing> shall I write instead of username ... bl3ssing (if this is my username on my computer)?
[04:46] <l3m> yes
[04:46] <bl3ssing> xtacocorex, I don't know, but I'll find it .. since l3m told me about the website where I can find it ... it is about http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:46] <xtacocorex> bl3ssing: just wanted to make sure you got the info
[04:47] <bl3ssing> lol xtacocorex, l3m said something about that I have to read something to use linux. Otherwise ... :-(
[04:47] <bl3ssing> so I'm listening ... to him.
[04:47] <bl3ssing> or her?
[04:47] <bl3ssing> !
[04:47] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, bl3ssing
[04:48] <xtacocorex> bl3ssing: you'll learn that google and irc will become your friends
[04:49] <l3m> bl3ssing: i meant reading in general, like e.g. irc channel topics and links that friendly people like me and LjL give you ;)
[04:49] <kkathman> good morning all (at least from my location) :)
[04:49] <carsten> morning. 
[04:50] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:50] <xtacocorex> carsten: you get your mp3 stuff figured out last night?
[04:50] <LjL> kkathman: 16:50 here, but i woke up 1:50 hours ago, so good morning ;)
[04:50] <bl3ssing> thanks l3m; God bl3ss both of you and not only, but the others as well. I've really found here a lots of very very kind people ... Thanks to everyone.
[04:50] <carsten> i have a new question :) I have a folder with a lot of files like SQ1.san and i want all of them renamed to iw sq1.san . how can i accomplish that?
[04:51] <LjL> carsten: i would write a script
[04:51] <carsten> xtacocorex: yeah, i used XMMS he played shoutcast streams just fine
[04:51] <bl3ssing> l3m, pastebin is that editbox where you can leave your text and ... than, your username can be typed ... and so on?
[04:51] <l3m> bl3ssing: yes
[04:51] <l3m> bl3ssing: and after you did that, you can paste a single link here in the chat, and we can all see all the text you've pasted there
[04:51] <carsten> LjL:  is there a website which explains how to write scripts ?
[04:52] <l3m> carsten: www.python.org
[04:52] <l3m> ;)
[04:52] <LjL> carsten: try "for (( i = 1 ; i < MAX ; i++ )); do mv SQ${i}.san sq${i}.san; done"   where MAX is the maximum digit in your filenames
[04:52] <bl3ssing> oh, ok.
[04:52] <LjL> carsten: google for "bash scripting", and click on the first link you find
[04:52] <bl3ssing> thanks l3m ...
[04:52] <carsten> l3m: i think that is a bit overkill for just renaming some files.
[04:52] <LjL> carsten: that's a good guide
[04:52] <bl3ssing> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437815
[04:52] <bl3ssing> wow ...
[04:52] <bl3ssing> that's cool people.
[04:52] <l3m> carsten: it's a lot easier to use python than bash scripts 
[04:52] <bl3ssing> who was thinking about this idea? that's amazing ...
[04:52] <l3m> carsten: especially if you don't know bash
[04:53] <LjL> bl3ssing: there is a missing space between (ALL) and ALL
[04:53] <l3m> bl3ssing: now try adept with your user password
[04:53] <kkathman> l3m very true on the python thing btw
[04:54] <bl3ssing> I've already done LjL  ... the space = available.
[04:54] <Stele> python rocks
[04:54] <Stele> i use it for everything too
[04:54] <Stele> even an embedded scripting language in my apps
[04:54] <l3m> i can't wait till there's a useable pysh ( bash replacement with py ) ;()
[04:55] <carsten> LjL: cool thanks, i can program a little bit (C / C++) and if I understand your skript correctly it will only rename the SQxx.san files. now I have more files in there additionally the files are not all called SQ3.san some are called sq3A.san I think i will take a look at python
[04:55] <Riddell> l3m: someone working on that?
[04:55] <LjL> kkathman: sure but, i won't learn a language until i've got enough motivation... just saying "ok, now i'll sit here and learn python" doesn't work for me
[04:55] <l3m> Riddell: there were some tries but i'm afraid all were given up early
[04:55] <l3m> ;(
[04:55] <carsten> the guys at #scummvm tell me to use zsh. 
[04:55] <l3m> carsten: check out mmv for quick multiple file renames
[04:55] <l3m> carsten: sudo apt-get install mmv
[04:56] <kkathman> LjL: I understand, but if you know C++ or PHP its a breeze to learn
[04:56] <Stele> yeah Python is so much easier to learn
[04:56] <Stele> probably the easiest language to learn
[04:56] <bl3ssing> l3m, it is not working ... I 
[04:56] <bl3ssing> I'm not even asked for the root pass
[04:56] <bl3ssing> :(
[04:56] <LjL> carsten: hmmm you could do this "for File in SQ*.san; do mv ${File} sq`cut -b 3- ${File}`; done"
[04:57] <l3m> LjL: well before you start writing a bash script, take the time and do it in python, and you'll never look back
[04:57] <LjL> carsten: try this in a test directory first, though, not sure it's right
[04:57] <l3m> bl3ssing: press CTRL-ESC
[04:57] <LjL> kkathman: i know C, very little C++ and no PHP... though i'll have to learn PHP, as it's needed in a school project i must do
[04:57] <bl3ssing> l3m ... done. A new window has appeared. What can I do with it?
[04:57] <jjesse> 5
[04:58] <l3m> bl3ssing: hmm on second thought, close that window and press ALT-TAB until you find your open adept
[04:58] <l3m> ;)
[04:58] <bl3ssing> there's no Adept.
[04:58] <bl3ssing> I've pressed on Alt_Tab ...
[04:58] <bl3ssing> and nothing ...
[04:58] <LjL> carsten: it was wrong, in fact... this seems to be correct:   for File in SQ*.san; do mv ${File} sq`echo ${File} | cut -b 3-`; done
[04:59] <kkathman> LjL: I learned PHP over a Christmas holiday, then coded a site in the next 2 months...its a very nice language to learn, and lots of depth to it
[04:59] <l3m> bl3ssing: hmm maybe carsten was right from the beginning. type "ps ax | grep adept" in console
[04:59] <LjL> kkathman: though as far as i understand it, it's mostly (if not wholly) confined to HTML scripting, isn't it?
[04:59] <kkathman> LjL: but honestly the one thing I learned that really made be ultraproductive in web development was CSS
[05:00] <l3m> ;)
[05:00] <kkathman> LjL: yes its a web -based language 
[05:00] <bl3ssing> l3m,  ... can you check this link pls?
[05:00] <bl3ssing> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437831
[05:00] <LjL> kkathman: must say web development isn't something very exciting for me... but i'll have to learn some, as this project implies writing a database and a site using PHP (we must basically replicate eBay)
[05:01] <l3m> bl3ssing: ok, you have an open kdesu window somewhere
[05:01] <LjL> kkathman: (it's a Database course)
[05:01] <bl3ssing> carsten, .. that's great that you're a kubuntu EXPERT!!! God make you SUPER-EXPERT!
[05:01] <kkathman> LjL: php + MySQL I imagine
[05:01] <bl3ssing> how can I kill that kdesu window?
[05:01] <l3m> bl3ssing:  type alt-tab until you find that window. it's a window where you're asked for your password
[05:01] <newz> hi@all
[05:01] <l3m> bl3ssing: don't kill it. enter your pw 
[05:01] <LjL> kkathman: MySQL or PostgreSQL, that's the two they're teaching us... but we're actually free to use whatever we prefer
[05:02] <bl3ssing> there's no window
[05:02] <bl3ssing> maybe it is another bug?
[05:02] <bl3ssing> or ...?
[05:02] <bl3ssing> I can't find it.
[05:02] <l3m> bl3ssing: there is one somewhere
[05:02] <kkathman> LjL: I chose MySQL because there is so much written for it and PHP, plus, its the 2nd most widely used DB in the world now
[05:02] <l3m> bl3ssing: maybe you minimized it? 
[05:02] <LjL> kkathman: PHP is also optional, we can use whatever scripting language we like. of course, using MySQL/PostgreSQL and PHP will help, as they're the reference at school
[05:02] <bl3ssing> I've only the x-chat ...and the konsole now.
[05:03] <l3m> bl3ssing: ok. what you do now: type "kill -9 8588" 
[05:03] <kkathman> LjL:  php5 is the best implementation to date, as it is heavily object-oriented
[05:03] <l3m> bl3ssing: you did log into kde with your user name, not with root, right? 
[05:03] <kkathman> but most hosts only support php4 right now...thats changing tho
[05:03] <bl3ssing> l3m ... will you be so kind checking this ... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437834
[05:03] <bl3ssing> right l3m.
[05:03] <bl3ssing> I want to log as a root.
[05:03] <bl3ssing> how can I do it?
[05:03] <LjL> kkathman: yes, they've adviced us to use version 5. hope ubuntu has it (haven't checked yet), though i'll probably be using Debian for the final presentation
[05:04] <LjL> bl3ssing: just don't. type "sudo -i" to enter a root shell, or "sudo <command>" to execute a command as root
[05:05] <kkathman> LjL: For PHP, I'd suggest using Xampp, as it will install php5, MySQL, and apache painlessly on your system and set up your testing server with phpmyadmin
[05:05] <l3m> bl3ssing: don0t
[05:05] <l3m> bl3ssing: just believe me, you do not want to login as root anywhere
[05:05] <LjL> kkathman: hm will have a look at it, though i'm so used to Debian...
[05:05] <kkathman> LjL: follow this:  http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[05:05] <os2mac> logging in as root... is a BAD idea
[05:05] <l3m> bl3ssing: and type "kill -9 8588" in your console
[05:06] <kkathman> bl3ssing: we have advised you many times not to log in as root
[05:06] <bl3ssing> but l3m, why am I asked to type my root pass all the time I'm installing/uninstalling and htere's so many time I lose my time only by searching for the reason why I can't get into ADEPt ..
[05:06] <bl3ssing> :-(((
[05:06] <l3m> bl3ssing: if you would have listened to what many people in this channel said to you, you'd have solved the problem a long time ago. 
[05:06] <kkathman> bl3ssing: for safety, more things are done to ruin a system by not realizing you are in root
[05:07] <LjL> bl3ssing: it should be asking for your *user* password, not your *root* password. if it isn't, then your ubuntu's still broken
[05:07] <l3m> bl3ssing: kubuntu NEVER asks you for your root password
[05:07] <kkathman> l3m: the secret to learning, is to listen to others that have experience that you do not.
[05:07] <kkathman> yes?
[05:07] <bl3ssing> yeas kkathman 
[05:07] <bl3ssing> you're perfectly right.
[05:07] <l3m> kkathman: i know that ;) 
[05:07] <kkathman> not you per se :)
[05:07] <bl3ssing> well ... I'll be ears/eyes ...
[05:07] <kkathman> l3m: that wasnt directed AT you... but to support you :)
[05:08] <jonabyte> hello everyone...anyone get stuck installing at 50% testing network repository?
[05:08] <l3m> ;)
[05:08] <kkathman> l3m but you kno that :)
[05:08] <LjL> bl3ssing: i suggest you test that your sudo *works correctly*, and when you're 100% sure it does, disable the root account
[05:08] <l3m> hrhr
[05:08] <bl3ssing> how can I test it ... LjL ?
[05:08] <l3m> bl3ssing: the only problem is that you think you're asked for the root pw when in fact, you're asked for your user pw
[05:08] <bl3ssing> I'll check it right now ... if you're telling me the way I have to check it?
[05:08] <l3m> bl3ssing: so, if kubuntu asks you for a password, ENTER THE USER PASSWORD
[05:09] <l3m> bl3ssing: and NEVER LOG IN AS ROOT ANYWHERE
[05:09] <l3m> sorry for screaming
[05:09] <bl3ssing> k, I see l3m ...
[05:09] <LjL> bl3ssing: be sure you're *not* in a root shell. type "cat /etc/sudoers", that *MUST* give you an error. if it does, then type "sudo cat /etc/sudoers", it should ask for a password, and you should enter your *user* password
[05:09] <kkathman> hehe
[05:09] <bl3ssing> that's ok; anyway I can't hear you. :-))
[05:09] <LjL> bl3ssing: if it works (i.e. the /etc/sudoers file is shown), your sudo is working
[05:09] <l3m> LjL: he is in a root shell
[05:09] <l3m> all the time
[05:09] <kkathman> bl3ssing: thats what we are afraid of
[05:09] <LjL> l3m, bl3ssing: then open a non-root shell
[05:09] <bl3ssing> you're right
[05:09] <bl3ssing> I have an error
[05:09] <bl3ssing> Permission denied.
[05:09] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:10] <LjL> bl3ssing: that's fine, now try with sudo
[05:10] <bl3ssing> l3m, I'm not.
[05:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:11] <xtacocorex> !forums
[05:11] <bl3ssing> what shall I try with sudo?
[05:11] <LjL> bl3ssing: remember it is asking for *your* password. IF AND ONLY IF it works, then you can type "sudo passwd -l root" to disable your root account
[05:11] <LjL> bl3ssing: "sudo cat /etc/sudoers". again, read what i wrote ;)
[05:11] <bl3ssing> k
[05:11] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:11] <xtacocorex> !ubotu
[05:11] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[05:12] <bl3ssing> LOL LjL  ... I pay a lot of attention at what you're typing LjL ... really.
[05:12] <bl3ssing> :)
[05:12] <LjL> bl3ssing: hope so, 'cause if you do this wrong, you may end up locked out of your box...
[05:12] <bl3ssing> heheeh
[05:12] <_ismael> hay alguien?
[05:12] <LjL> !es
[05:12] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:13] <xtacocorex> !forum home
[05:13] <ubotu> xtacocorex: I don't know
[05:13] <carsten> hmmm i need to change my nick, i am not allowed to join #python if i am not identified, and carsten belongs to someone else
[05:13] <bl3ssing> after I've typed the sudo passwd -l root ... it has appeared here this message: Password changed.
[05:13] <bl3ssing> what should I do now?
[05:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: nothing. now, if all is well, should should simply be able to type your *own* user password whenever Adept (or whatever) asks for a password
[05:14] <xtacocorex> ubotu listvals forum
[05:14] <bl3ssing> thanks LjL ...
[05:14] <bl3ssing> I'll do it right now ...
[05:14] <bl3ssing> hope it's works ...
[05:14] <LjL> hope it's not MS Works
[05:14] <bl3ssing> not ...
[05:14] <bl3ssing> it isn't working.
[05:15] <ninHer> hi all
[05:15] <LjL> no? is "sudo adept", from the shell, working?
[05:15] <bl3ssing> and ... it is not appearing that windows where I should have inserted my pass ...
[05:15] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:15] <bl3ssing> shall I try from the shell?
[05:15] <LjL> yes
[05:15] <bl3ssing> nope
[05:15] <bl3ssing> the same
[05:15] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:15] <LjL> "ps aux | grep adept"
[05:15] <LjL> see if anything appears there
[05:16] <l3m> bl3ssing: yes, that's because you didn't do what i told you three times to do in the last 10 minutes: namely, type "kill -9 8588" 
[05:16] <bl3ssing> I've done it l3m ...
[05:16] <bl3ssing> twice
[05:16] <LjL> bl3ssing: "sudo kill -9 8588"
[05:16] <bl3ssing> I'll do it third time right now, ok?
[05:16] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:16] <bl3ssing> k
[05:16] <clint-> hi everyone, I'm going try opera for ubuntu on kubutu. should work.. : |
[05:16] <l3m> LjL: well he used to be in a root shell ;) 
[05:16] <l3m> LjL: according to what he posted
[05:16] <l3m> in pastebin
[05:16] <LjL> l3m: suppose he's not anymore, as i've had him disable root...
[05:16] <clint-> still got to get me mp3, and mpeg, and dvd support in, and I will probably add the gnome packages
[05:17] <LjL> client-: ask ubotu about RestrictedFormat to have mp3 and stuff working
[05:17] <clint-> hi bl3ssing , and l3m 
[05:17] <clint-> clint*
[05:17] <LjL> clint-: and, yes, opera for ubuntu will work on kubuntu, they're the same distribution
[05:17] <LjL> sorry
[05:17] <clint-> i tried to just do the sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg gstreamer8.0-mad
[05:18] <kkathman> clint-: be sure to get the static deb for Opera :)
[05:18] <clint-> but that didn't work, however I did update the adept on kubuntu 5.10, but maybe I need to install the synaptic
[05:18] <bl3ssing> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437847
[05:18] <clint-> ty
[05:18] <clint-> static deb?
[05:18] <clint-> np
[05:18] <bl3ssing> hellow clint- ... 
[05:18] <kkathman> clint-: yes
[05:18] <clint-> hi
[05:19] <bl3ssing> what can I do right now?
[05:19] <LjL> bl3ssing: i'm not sure what's wrong with adept. what does "ps aux | grep adept" tell you?
[05:19] <clint-> anyone want to help , with me tryin to get mp3 support , dvd, and some more video conifguration, and if time, wireless support for broadcom, its internal wlan
[05:19] <bl3ssing> I'll show you LjL in a minute.
[05:19] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:19] <LjL> !tell clint- about wireless
[05:19] <clint-> so use the static over the buntu?
[05:20] <clint-> ubuntu* and yes I know there the same build lol
[05:20] <bl3ssing> sure clint, I'll help you. :-) If you'll wait a little bit since my Adept is not working. I'll have to ifgure out ... and than... working with you together cause I'll need my video configuration as well.
[05:20] <clint-> np
[05:20] <clint-> I'm in Computer Science at Robert Morris college in Peoria, IL
[05:20] <clint-> thanks you LjL 
[05:20] <bl3ssing> LjL,  ... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437853
[05:20] <clint-> :)
[05:21] <kkathman> clint-: opera download: http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/opera/linux/850/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_8.50-20050916.1_qt_en_i386.deb
[05:21] <kkathman> then just dpkg -i that file
[05:21] <clint-> k
[05:21] <LjL> bl3ssing: hmmm try tying "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" and see what it says
[05:21] <clint-> i was messsing with debian 3.1 sarge. let me tell yo.. alot of work :P
[05:22] <LjL> clint-: for mp3, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg 
[05:22] <bl3ssing> LjL, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437856
[05:22] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:22] <clint-> k 1 sec
[05:22] <LjL> bl3ssing: oh, ok. you've probably killed adept at the wrong time, or something.  just type "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[05:23] <clint-> hey all, I really appreciate your assistance, 
[05:23] <clint-> I read as well, however I just got up :P
[05:23] <LjL> :)
[05:23] <Lirx> is anyone here familiar with damn small linux ?
[05:23] <LjL> bl3ssing: when you're done, i think Adept will now start correctly
[05:24] <clint-> its live cd Lirx , maybe usb as well
[05:24] <Lirx> I'm trying to install it to the hard drive
[05:24] <Lirx> i'm having a big problem
[05:24] <clint-> ic
[05:24] <Lirx> I'm basically trying to format
[05:24] <clint-> I use PHLAK , been studying it, just ncase I need it for defense :-)
[05:24] <Lirx> its an old laptop and i installed kubuntu
[05:24] <clint-> ic
[05:25] <Lirx> but didnt like it so i put DSL in and booted up
[05:25] <Lirx> installed
[05:25] <clint-> are you wanting to erase the hard drive full with zero's?
[05:25] <Lirx> I want EVERYTHING to be gone
[05:25] <clint-> k
[05:25] <Lirx> so i can boot up the live cd
[05:25] <Lirx> and install DSL
[05:25] <clint-> I use Winteranls , and UBCD, and other firmware utilities m8
[05:25] <Lirx> but CFDISK gets a critical error
[05:25] <clint-> I'll help you
[05:25] <Lirx> Yay!
[05:26] <Lirx> if i completely wipe the HD, will i be able to install DSL?
[05:26] <Lirx> from the live cd?
[05:26] <clint-> I'm really into the hardware management, support, forensic aspect of computing, internet security m8, so I know I will be a help here :)
[05:26] <Lirx> yay
[05:26] <The_Servant> Hi everybody!
[05:26] <xtacocorex> Lirx: have you checked the DSL forums?
[05:26] <clint-> lol
[05:26] <Lirx> Yes..
[05:26] <clint-> hi xtacocorex 
[05:26] <Lirx> I've been on google
[05:26] <Lirx> all night
[05:26] <xtacocorex> clint-: good morning
[05:26] <clint-> morning :)
[05:26] <The_Servant> Is there someone who can help me how to contact the kubuntu-dev canal (they are in secret mode)
[05:26] <clint-> Lirx: 
[05:26] <clint-> your DSL line should already be on, and probably configured for DCHP
[05:27] <Lirx> Yea
[05:27] <clint-> DHCP
[05:27] <clint-> :P
[05:27] <Lirx> how do i erase the drive
[05:27] <clint-> its morning still :P
[05:27] <Lirx> Like i wanna erase grub too
[05:27] <clint-> i know
[05:27] <Lirx> and install grub from DSL
[05:27] <clint-> you need firmware software
[05:27] <clint-> fdisk is bs
[05:27] <clint-> whats your hard drive
[05:27] <Lirx> 4 gig
[05:27] <Lirx> its a 265 mhz pent 1
[05:27] <clint-> unless you want to download ultimate boot cd
[05:28] <clint-> Its a very good cd to have
[05:28] <Lirx> i'll google  it
[05:28] <Lirx> but i can i erase everything from dsl live
[05:28] <Lirx> ?
[05:28] <clint-> I got out of using floppy drives to erase hard drives, after a couple monhts into studying
[05:28] <dipnlik> what file should I use to configure xterm? ~/.Xresources , ~/.Xdefaults , or something else?
[05:29] <clint-> I just don't have the hardware tools yet, to analyze hard drives and run diagnostics, and choosing erase formats
[05:29] <clint-> 1 , going to install some plugins
[05:29] <Lirx> is there a way to format from DSL
[05:29] <LjL> bl3ssing: any luck?
[05:29] <Lirx> or do i need to download another prog
[05:30] <clint-> lol, yeah there is a way to network format and recover
[05:30] <bl3ssing> I hope so LjL 
[05:30] <clint-> however I havn't done it yet lol
[05:30] <Lirx> how...
[05:30] <bl3ssing> not yet ... still upgrading it ...
[05:30] <LjL> bl3ssing: oh
[05:30] <bl3ssing> but it is working ... I mean the upgrade-ing ...
[05:30] <Lirx> I cant go in to cfdisk
[05:30] <clint-> :-)
[05:31] <bl3ssing> anyway, in about 3 h brb ... I've to leave right now cause I have the choir repetitions ... :) Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah ... AMEN! :) god bless all of you.
[05:31] <CarstenP> if anyone is interested: lowercase skript : for i in *;do mv "$i" "`echo $i|tr [A-Z]  [a-z] `";done          (from _sev in #scummvm)
[05:31] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> is it possible to get the cpu load of a procces ? (its for stats with graphs)
[05:31] <CarstenP> rm *
[05:31] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: ps aux will tell you
[05:31] <CarstenP> forget that
[05:31] <CarstenP> wrong window sorry
[05:31] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: you can then write a script to keep stats, if you like
[05:31] <Lirx> clint
[05:31] <Lirx> Any ideas?
[05:31] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> ok
[05:31] <Lirx> i'm on the DSL live desktop at the moment
[05:31] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> ic like with a grep and awk
[05:32] <bl3ssing> LjL, still 10% of upgrading ...
[05:32] <bl3ssing> than I'll try to restart my computer, and ... than ... my adept ...
[05:32] <bl3ssing> I hope it will work ...
[05:32] <clint-> k
[05:32] <clint-> how this, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-mutiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[05:32] <LjL> bl3ssing: you shouldn't need to restart
[05:33] <xtacocorex> clint-: should work
[05:33] <clint-> oh and, xtacocorex  was telling me on dvd, how to get it to read and everything. I write that down in text kate, sorry x, I was tired last nite bud
[05:33] <xtacocorex> clint-: ah yes
[05:33] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: yes, exactly...  ps aux | grep kdesktop | head -1 | awk '{ print $4 }'        should be fine
[05:33] <xtacocorex> clint-: you want it again?
[05:33] <clint-> most of commands stick in my memory like new.. :P
[05:33] <Lirx> clint
[05:34] <Lirx> how can i format
[05:34] <clint-> ye
[05:34] <Lirx> with DSL
[05:34] <clint-> lirx give me sec
[05:34] <Lirx> k
[05:34] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: (of course, you shouldn't use kdesktop, that was just what i was trying it with ;)
[05:34] <clint-> lol I have not network formatted or recovered yet
[05:34] <mornfall> CarstenP: ARGH!
[05:34] <clint-> I have tools, for windows , I just not that far yet m8
[05:34] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> i understand, thnx, is there any "limit" my load may have
[05:34] <clint-> lool
[05:34] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> sometimes i have 2.30
[05:35] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> that looks allot
[05:35] <clint-> ubcd should have some tools though
[05:35] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> but 2.30 doesnt mean %
[05:35] <mornfall> CarstenP: i was all that time wondering why you are acting so weird... dude, taking others' people registered nicks is not nice (tm)
[05:35] <^rob^> hi
[05:35] <Lirx> clint
[05:35] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY:   rm "$1"; while true; ps aux | grep $2 | head -1 | awk '{ print $4}' >>"$1"; sleep $3; done      could be a script that takes a filename as first argument and a process name as second argument, and logs CPU usage for the process every third-argument seconds
[05:35] <clint`> yea
[05:35] <Lirx> you cant help then?
[05:35] <Lirx> ;/
[05:36] <clint`> m8 I am tryin get help,, :-)
[05:36] <Lirx> oh ok
[05:36] <Lirx> lol
[05:36] <CarstenP> mornfall: LOL, but I didnt choose the Nick. Konversation just used choose it for me
[05:36] <xtacocorex> i think CarstenP changed from carsten due to that nick being taken on #python
[05:36] <clint`> what exactly are you trying to do Lirx 
[05:36] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: "2.30" basically means your processes would need 2.30 times the speed of your current processor in order to not be cpu-bound
[05:36] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> nice LjL ;)
[05:36] <^rob^> i am trying to backup some data - daily - on a dvd - is mkisofs enough to backup 4.Gb ? - or do i have to use growisofs too?
[05:36] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: at least that's as far as i understand it
[05:36] <xtacocorex> my bad for the reiteration there
[05:36] <CarstenP> xtacocorex: you can only join #python with aregistered nick
[05:37] <xtacocorex> CarstenP: ah
[05:37] <CarstenP> and i couldnt register carsten
[05:37] <l3m> Konversation takes the system user name as default
[05:37] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> not be cpu-bound means >1.00 = cpu is now the bottleneck
[05:37] <xtacocorex> CarstenP: i remember that from a while ago
[05:37] <CarstenP> xtacocorex: carsten is my username on this system, and also my first name
[05:37] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: there's a "do" missing after "while true;" in my script
[05:37] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> i noticed :)
[05:38] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: yes, >1.00 means the CPU is the bottleneck, that's my understanding of it at least
[05:38] <^rob^> nobody used mkisofs here?
[05:38] <xtacocorex> CarstenP: cool
[05:38] <clint`> brb
[05:38] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> ok, LjL really big thnx!!!!!, now i can experiment further ;)
[05:38] <LjL> ^rob^: yes, i do, for burning cds. never did anything fancy with it though
[05:38] <^rob^> LjL: did you backup on a dvd?
[05:38] <Lirx> clint: i'm trying to remove all files left from kubuntu, and uninstall grub. Then i want to install grub and DSL from the live cd.
[05:38] <LjL> ^rob^: no, i don't have a dvd writer
[05:38] <Lirx> So i need to completely format from the live cd
[05:38] <^rob^> ok
[05:39] <l3m> CarstenP: btw you can tell Konversation to identify you everytime you join freenodes. saves you from /msg nickserv 'ing 
[05:39] <kkathman> Lirx: you dont "install" anything from the live CD :)
[05:39] <kkathman> its just runs
[05:39] <l3m> Lirx: you can just erase the hd during the kubuntu install, if that's what you want
[05:40] <CarstenP> l3m: any idea where i can set that?
[05:40] <kkathman> l3m: but you cant install anything from the live cd can you?
[05:40] <Lirx> I'm trying to install
[05:40] <Lirx> damnsmalllinux
[05:40] <Lirx> and nobody in the damnsmalllinux channel was alive
[05:40] <kkathman> Lirx: oh well then just erase and remake the partition then
[05:41] <bl3ssing> It's working LjL ... thanks man for help. God bless you my friend.
[05:41] <thompa> i have a question about kde 3.5 rc1
[05:41] <LjL> BFA|WoRsTeNBoY: oh but, wait a moment, that was *load average*, not "ps" output, that i was talking about... "ps" outputs a percentage, even though i think the semantics are similar, and you could get more than 100% (though i'm less sure of this than of the load average thing)
[05:41] <l3m> CarstenP: Settings->Configure Konversation->Accounts
[05:41] <LjL> bl3ssing: ;-)
[05:41] <l3m> errr
[05:41] <Lirx> kkat
[05:41] <kkathman> DSL is nice, good for, say , a file server
[05:41] <Lirx> I cant get to cfdisk
[05:41] <l3m> CarstenP: i mean File->Serverlist
[05:41] <l3m> sorry
[05:41] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> ic, ill google it up
[05:42] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> *further
[05:42] <LjL> CPU usage is currently expressed as the percentage of time spent running during the entire lifetime of a process. This is not ideal,
[05:42] <LjL> and it does not conform to the standards that ps otherwise conforms to. CPU usage is unlikely to add up to exactly 100%.
[05:42] <l3m> CarstenP: File->ServerList->Edit-> Identity Edit
[05:42] <thompa> will kde 3.5 rc1 be eventually a 3.5 update if i got it installed?
[05:43] <federico_lu> Hello everybody! I have sounds lags on my system, using Kubuntu Breezy Badger, to give an example: when a popup comes up, sometimes the corresponding sound needs 3 or more seconds to come up
[05:43] <federico_lu> is this problem known / a solution available?
[05:43] <l3m> federico_lu: don't use arts
[05:43] <federico_lu> as far as I know I'm using alsa
[05:44] <thompa> anybody know if 3.5 will just show as an updated when its in the repos?
[05:44] <CarstenP> l3m: okay, and where do i enter my password?
[05:44] <LjL> thompa: i guess we'll find it in breezy-backports sooner or later, so you should expect it there
[05:44] <federico_lu> yes, I am using alsa.
[05:45] <jpatrick> thompa: there'll be another repo for Breezy
[05:45] <LjL> thompa: but it's not even in Dapper now, so don't hold your breath
[05:45] <LjL> thompa: in the meanwhile, i suppose it'll be found at the kubuntu.org repository, as 3.5RC1 is right now
[05:45] <l3m> CarstenP: Auto-Identify: Service is nickserv, password your pW
[05:45] <thompa> LjL: im running 3.5 rc1 now,
[05:45] <jpatrick> LjL, thompa: RC2 is almost ready
[05:46] <kkathman> thompa: please remember that kubuntu and KDE are not exactly the same thing, so if you are looking for a stable system, just leave the RC's alone and when kde3.5 is available you'll get it through a standard upgrade
[05:46] <federico_lu> hmm I'm confused now, a ps shows this line: "/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a alsa -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f" ... is Alsa = Arts ?
[05:46] <LjL> thompa: well i suppose the first place you'll find 3.5-final in will still be kubuntu.org. don't think it will just show up as an update anyway
[05:46] <thompa> jpatrick: does this mean my rc1 will update to rc2 and so on?
[05:46] <jpatrick> thompa: no
[05:46] <kkathman> hey jpatrick :)
[05:46] <CarstenP> l3m: thanks, testing now
[05:46] <LjL> thompa: no, you'll have to manually add the rc2 repository
[05:47] <jpatrick> kkathman: hello
[05:47] <thompa> right
[05:47] <kkathman> thompa: once you start playing with unofficial things out of kubuntu, its up to you to update them
[05:47] <LjL> thompa: same will happen (i suppose) for final, until it gets included in backports
[05:47] <jpatrick> kkathman: did you see my post?
[05:47] <claudiu> hi all
[05:47] <CarstenP> it worked !
[05:48] <jpatrick> LjL: Final's there: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-rc2
[05:48] <jpatrick> or RC2
[05:48] <kkathman> jpatrick: post regarding what?
[05:48] <jpatrick> kkathman: KVIRC
[05:48] <LjL> jpatrick: but i was speaking of ubuntu packages
[05:48] <claudiu> just upgraded tu kernel 2.6.12-10-k7 and nvidia wont load anymore - is there something i should have done /
[05:48] <thompa> jpatrick: thanks, is it usually a smooth transition from rc1 to rc2 to final or do i have to uninstall things?
[05:49] <LjL> thompa: "usually"? :)
[05:49] <kkathman> jpatrick: no I didnt, can you point me that way?
[05:49] <thompa> ok thanks
[05:49] <Fillado> does anyone know anything in detail about how Linux manages RAM?
[05:49] <jpatrick> kkathman: isn't it http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1828.0 ?
[05:50] <jpatrick> Fillado: it uses a lot to speed up apps
[05:50] <claudiu> hey nvidia module doesnt work anymore for me
[05:50] <kkathman> ahhhh thank you!!! I will read that :)
[05:51] <Fillado> I got that - was just wondering why KSysGuard was reporting VM usage for separate apps, let at the bottom in total it was using 12MB :\
[05:51] <thompa> LjL: im only asking, because back when i ran suse some years ago, i tried a beta kde and had to remove everything manually, was a nightmare.
[05:51] <kkathman> jpatrick: yah, I knew that one, but Adept's use of Preferences apparently is broken (i.e. doesnt exist at this time)
[05:51] <bl3ssing> I'll say Good bye to anyone ... brb in 2 h ... maybe 3.
[05:51] <Fillado> *yet
[05:51] <jpatrick> kkathman: I thought Adept used Apt
[05:51] <LjL> thompa: remove the previous version, you mean? that's not usually the case in ubuntu, though you definitely *can* have installation/dependency problems with beta releases
[05:51] <thompa> ok 
[05:52] <kkathman> jpatrick: I created that file  but Adept still doesnt see kvirc as a "keep"
[05:52] <claudiu> anyone can help with a messy kernel upgrade ?
[05:52] <jpatrick> kkathman: update?
[05:52] <xtacocorex> claudiu: did you get the restricted modules package when you upgraded?
[05:52] <jpatrick> (refresh)
[05:53] <claudiu> well yes but xorg-log says http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437888
[05:53] <kkathman> jpatrick: now I didnt put that Pin-Priority in there
[05:53] <thompa> ive had only one small issue with rc1 and that was that system settings changed on the panel, but i just put it back
[05:53] <kkathman> 1 sec
[05:54] <xtacocorex> claudiu: does your xorg.conf file look for nvidia or nv when it loads modules
[05:54] <thompa> i keep trying gnome, but there seem much fewer confguration options than kde, sound for one.] 
[05:54] <xtacocorex> claudiu: i don't have an nvidia card, but i know that sometimes it has to be set to nv to work 
[05:54] <claudiu> xtacocorex: i got to kde only with nv because nvidia fails
[05:55] <claudiu> xtacocorex: i suspect something related with the kernel upgrade
[05:55] <xtacocorex> claudiu: probably
[05:55] <claudiu> xtacocorex: maybe this deb stuff needs something to reconfigure
[05:55] <CarstenP> for me nv didnt work, but nvidia did work
[05:55] <xtacocorex> claudiu: maybe
[05:56] <claudiu> xtacocorex: i did reconfigured nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-k7
[05:56] <claudiu> this debian style is a mystery for me
[05:56] <thompa> claudiU: have you checked your xorg.conf
[05:57] <thompa> i had a problem there with resolution that caused nvidia problems
[05:57] <claudiu> thompa: i switched to nv for the time until i get a solution, but i have no hardware accel for games
[05:57] <kkathman> jpatrick: that Pin-Priority made all the difference :)
[05:58] <thompa> is glx enabled in xorg.conf?
[05:58] <kkathman> jpatrick: added that, and now Adept just ignores it :)
[05:58] <claudiu> thompa: I have Load "glx"
[05:58] <jpatrick> kkathman: :D
[05:58] <kkathman> jpatrick: thank you very much sir :)
[05:58] <claudiu> thompa: anything else
[05:58] <thompa> its not hashmarked right?
[05:59] <claudiu> thompa: dont know but xorg-log says http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437888
[05:59] <jpatrick> kkathman: sir?
[05:59] <thompa> dont mean to sound dumb, but theres no "#" in front of the glx line?
[06:00] <thompa> ok let me look
[06:00] <kkathman> jpatrick: uhm...you are a ma'am ?  if so, I am sorry for the misindentification :)
[06:00] <claudiu> thompa: it shouldnt be, right ?
[06:00] <jpatrick> kkathman: it's my age
[06:00] <thompa> right
[06:00] <_scott_> If you are trying to enable glx its real easy .... sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings ... then type ... sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:00] <kkathman> jpatrick: funny, my oldest son's name is Jason Patrick Kathman :)
[06:00] <kkathman> hehe
[06:01] <thompa> ive always had problems with some cards 
[06:01] <jpatrick> kkathman: see my profile on the forums
[06:01] <claudiu> thompa: maybe i should do glex enable again after kernel upgrade ?
[06:01] <kkathman> jpatrick: when you help someone, you are indeed entitled to respect :)
[06:01] <thompa> post your xorg.conf file..
[06:02] <thompa> claudiu: post xorg.conf, i bet your resolution is off
[06:03] <jpatrick> kkathman: okay :)
[06:03] <thompa> claudiu: no its not resolution sorry
[06:03] <claudiu> thompa: kde started ok before this kernel upgrade, i replaced nvidia with nv just to get to konversation
[06:03] <thompa> try installing nvidia from scratch
[06:03] <claudiu> thompa: so there is no problem with my xorg.conf
[06:04] <claudiu> thompa: you mean the original thing ?
[06:05] <murr> !ati
[06:05] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:05] <thompa> claudiu:  Failed to load module "nvidia" thats your first problem
[06:05] <claudiu> thompa: i think the problem is the linux restricted modules
[06:06] <claudiu> thompa: modprobe nvidia works ok btw ---- strange
[06:06] <thompa> claudiu: did you compile your own kerenl or something?
[06:06] <thompa> kernel
[06:07] <claudiu> thompa: nope - just a lazy bastard - tired of using gentoo for over a year 
[06:07] <claudiu> can anyone guide me to downgrade to breezy ?
[06:08] <thompa> claudiu: sorry mate, id either install nvidia from scratch or use the ub untu kernel
[06:09] <claudiu> thompa: i use the ubuntu kernel, mate 
[06:09] <csalsb> anybody aout there that can help with streaming media
[06:10] <thompa> claudiu: uninstall nvidia then try reinstalling
[06:10] <devilz_> can someone tell me how what should i to sources.list
[06:10] <kkathman> claudiu: how did you move from your previous kernal?
[06:10] <devilz_> to have latest stable versions of packages
[06:10] <claudiu> kkathman: i used synaptic :)
[06:10] <claudiu> kkathman: update and upgrade
[06:10] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> can you think of bogomips as a simple benchmark value for an processor ?
[06:10] <kkathman> claudiu: no dist-upgrade?
[06:11] <claudiu> kkathman: synaptic does dist-upgrade, i guess
[06:11] <kkathman> claudiu: no it really doesnt
[06:12] <claudiu> kkathman: i want to try a kernel downgrade ? how can i do it ?
[06:12] <kkathman> claudiu: you were on breezy right??  And you were just trying to move from the -9 to the -10 kernal?
[06:12] <claudiu> kkathman: its a 2.6.12-10-k7 currently and was a 2.6.12-9-k7
[06:13] <kkathman> ok
[06:13] <claudiu> kkathman: so it was a breezy kernel ? 
[06:13] <kkathman> you might try doing a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see if that solves your problem...I have nvidia (i386) and my upgrade was flawless
[06:14] <kkathman> claudiu: yes it was a linux kernal upgrade
[06:15] <claudiu> kkathman: i know - currently i am using dapper in sources.list
[06:15] <claudiu> kkathman: anyway modprobe nvidia works http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437928
[06:16] <claudiu> kkathman: can you guide me to downgrade and LOCKUP the version of my kernel ?
[06:16] <_clint> back all, lost connection for some odd reason
[06:17] <kkathman> claudiu: ohhhh you are dapper?? Well, I cant help you on that :)
[06:18] <claudiu> kkathman: sorry i live on the edge. i just cant refrain to
[06:18] <_clint> hey , so I do sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-mutiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:19] <claudiu> kkathman: dont play with my feelings, i really want to learn this deb packaging system
[06:19] <_clint> lol
[06:19] <_clint> me as well :-)
[06:19] <_clint> I got the Debian Bible lmao
[06:20] <_clint> only if I could master Debian 3.1 :P
[06:21] <jpatrick> claudiu: you want to make packages?
[06:21] <CarstenP> is there any possibility to see the temperature of the cpu?
[06:22] <claudiu> jpatrick: i want to learn how to install things, and usual management stuff
[06:22] <[Codice_Alpha] > apt
[06:23] <_clint> hey claudiu , this might help you, its a diferent version of debian, but it helps me a bit
[06:23] <_clint> http://s8.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3CCYNFH4GUV8U331LLXRVTAH1D
[06:24] <_clint> i sent it to myself , using yousendit
[06:24] <_clint> your more than welcome to download it as well if you want
[06:24] <claudiu> _clint: thanks clint you made my day
[06:24] <_clint> np
[06:24] <_clint> I am studying to configure linux systems with laptops better, for the multimedia support, hardware, security, performance, etc
[06:25] <_clint> its hard telling, who knows if I will go back to Debian 3.1 Sarge after I get done with reading alot of the debian GNU/Linux Bible :)
[06:26] <_clint> its just getting the right configuration that a person wants, is what makes them happy
[06:26] <devilz_> hi
[06:26] <_clint> oh btw claudia
[06:26] <_clint> its 677 pages long
[06:26] <devilz_> does anyone know how to install kde on ubuntu
[06:26] <devilz_> ?
[06:26] <_clint> yep devilz_ 
[06:26] <devilz_> i installed kde-desktop
[06:26] <devilz_> and kde
[06:26] <_clint> open a terminal
[06:26] <devilz_> kde-core
[06:27] <devilz_> and now i rebooted but
[06:27] <devilz_> still got uubntu
[06:27] <devilz_> and gnome
[06:27] <_clint> and type in,, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[06:27] <devilz_> i did
[06:27] <kkathman> _clint: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/
[06:27] <kkathman> its all on line
[06:27] <kkathman> nice
[06:27] <claudiu> _clint: btw something just removed my adept when upgraded ?!?!?
[06:27] <_clint> yeah kkathman , I go tthat as well, but its not the debian bible :)
[06:28] <devilz_> _clint, i did that but still aint working;*
[06:28] <devilz_> ;
[06:28] <devilz_> ;(
[06:28] <CarstenP> any idea how i can show the current cpu temperature?
[06:29] <_clint> I still have to get mp3 support and dvd in my laptop with kubuntu, ubuntu would lag on when I put mp3 and mpeg in :P
[06:29] <kkathman> _clint: why are you in kubuntu if you are a debian tech ?
[06:29] <_clint> lol I'm no debian tech
[06:29] <_clint> lmao
[06:29] <_clint> :)
[06:29] <pinucset> CarstenP take a look at the bios
[06:29] <kkathman> just wondered why you wouldnt be in a debian channel 
[06:29] <_clint> lol
[06:29] <_clint> I don't care to go there :-)
[06:29] <CarstenP> pinucset: Yeah but that would require a restart.
[06:29] <_clint> ubuntu and kubuntu stand by there humanity to others.. :-)
[06:30] <kkathman> you'll find that there are SIGNIFICANT differences between (k)ubuntu and debian
[06:30] <CarstenP> pinucset: isnt there some tool for it?
[06:30] <_clint> yes I know lol
[06:30] <kkathman> _clint: just didnt want you to get TOO dependent on that "bible" of yours
[06:30] <_clint> you'll find out that there are significant differeneces in what people decide to do with there free time :)
[06:30] <manulite> if i can't download kubuntu can i get it off the shelf somewhere close to Zimbabwe?
[06:30] <_clint> I like it here.. ty :)
[06:31] <kkathman> _clint:  well, try and do things "ubuntu" way, not debian then
[06:31] <kkathman> hehe
[06:31] <_clint> lol
[06:31] <_clint> its still built on debian :-)
[06:31] <kkathman> _clint: loosely
[06:31] <_clint> :P
[06:31] <_clint> hey, want to help me with something m8
[06:32] <_clint> so I just type this, to get the mp3, mpeg support I need right?
[06:32] <_clint> sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-mutiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[06:32] <_clint> ? :|
[06:32] <kkathman> I'd use apt-get since aptitude has bugs
[06:32] <_clint> ah
[06:33] <claudiu> _clint: how do you like gstreamer performance with divx 
[06:33] <_clint> well someone suggested that
[06:33] <LjL> is there anything equivalent to gconf for kde?
[06:33] <_clint> in here
[06:33] <kkathman> and gstreamer can be very picky too
[06:33] <_clint> I don't like divx really :-)
[06:33] <LjL> i mean to the gconf editor, i know the configuration structure isn't the same in kde
[06:33] <kkathman> LjL: dunno...whats gconf ??
[06:33] <_clint> its just primarly for my mp3's , and mpeg music videos until I get into using flac, and mp4a
[06:33] <kkathman> _clint: what player?
[06:34] <LjL> kkathman: well it's kind of like the windows registry editor, gnome has this gconf database that's basically like the windows registry (a little less cluttered tho)
[06:34] <_clint> vlc is nice, and other things.. when I am on windows, I use my other high end software, but shame on sony, thats why I didnt' install the server management, I already knew they was up to something with rootkits :P
[06:35] <CarstenP> LjL: why do you answer me in #ubuntu but not here ? :)
[06:35] <_clint> I guess I could just use Sony Sound Forge 8, or Acid Pro 5, and convert the mp3's into flac or into vorbis files :P
[06:35] <kkathman> _clint: in most kde players, like amarok and kaffeine, the xine engine is much more reliable
[06:35] <_clint> yeah I like the xine engine  :-)
[06:35] <LjL> CarstenP: 'cause i'm doing other things besides looking at IRC, and i missed you here ;)
[06:35] <_clint> Xandros was nice for that, but I didnt' like it because it wasn't that open
[06:36] <claudiu> jpatrick: can you tell me if there are going to be updates and backports for breezy ?
[06:36] <CarstenP> LjL: sorry, okay, thanks for your help
[06:36] <LjL> CarstenP: anyway, look at ksensors if you're using kde
[06:36] <_clint> I also have tried, Fedora Core 1, Fedora Core 4 was nice on laptop , accept synaptic touchpad support was off, FreeBSD 6.0, and PC BSD KDE on FreeBSD, mandriva 2006, I been up and down kkathman 
[06:36] <LjL> CarstenP: but i guess you'll have to configure lm-sensors from the shell anyway, as ksensors use lm-sensors
[06:37] <_clint> this Laptop is new, and thats why probably giving me such a hard time :(
[06:37] <kkathman> Fedora core is so bloated tho
[06:37] <_clint> I been familar with the linux system for over a year now, but no where near to where I need to be yet, have bee way to busy with redoin windows systems for people :P
[06:37] <_clint> and College 
[06:38] <kkathman> I'd never install Fedora, because its just too much stuff to remove :)
[06:38] <_clint> lol
[06:38] <jpatrick> claudiu: updates for what?
[06:38] <_clint> i agree :-)
[06:38] <_clint> hey kkathman 
[06:38] <claudiu> kkathman: yeah kubuntu is tops
[06:38] <_clint> well you havn't seen tops yet claudiu 
[06:38] <_clint> PC BSD you should see that :D
[06:38] <freqmod> hello, does anyone know how to install xorg headers on kubuntu breezy, for compiling X programs?
[06:39] <kkathman> the old RedHat 9 was a nice install, but didnt recognize all hardware :(
[06:39] <LjL> freqmod: sudo aptitude install xlibs-dev
[06:39] <_clint> its just the dam keyboard layout what is a biatch, fastest system I have ever been on, its KDE on FreeBSD
[06:39] <claudiu> _clint: ummm what do you have in mind ?
[06:39] <_clint> >_<
[06:39] <CarstenP> LjL: looks like i dont have lm-sensors, i will apt-get it . thanks
[06:39] <_clint> k, i just got to get me mp3 and mpeg working, then I go from there :D
[06:39] <kkathman> _clint: Fedora?? fast??? lol  I didnt experience that
[06:39] <claudiu> jpatrick: for breezy man. i want to erase dapper. does this mean i will see kde35 in july 2006 ? 
[06:39] <_clint> kkathman: 
[06:40] <_clint> I didn't say fedora fast, I said PC BSD fast :)
[06:40] <claudiu> jpatrick: i mean if i stick with breezy
[06:40] <_clint> the install took 12 minutes on this Acer Aspire 3610 :-)
[06:40] <TROGDOR42> Hi all.
[06:40] <kkathman> ohhh yah
[06:41] <kkathman> true
[06:41] <_clint> hee
[06:41] <TROGDOR42> My friend is trying to get AOL dialup working on Ubuntu, can anybody help?
[06:41] <kkathman> kinda like DSL
[06:41] <_clint> but unix is a different story, I'm working on it though, just taking 1 day at a time with college and all and life :)
[06:41] <freqmod> LjL: thx, it worked after i fixed sources.apt
[06:43] <TROGDOR42> anybody know how to get AOL working on Ubuntu?
[06:43] <kkathman> TROGDOR42: ewwww AOL...why? lol   there is so much more in the world :)
[06:43] <kkathman> AOL wont work on Linux
[06:44] <_clint> yes, i have to agree with kkathman 
[06:44] <kkathman> cuz AOL only provides windows based system installs that I know of
[06:44] <TROGDOR42> It's not me it's a friend
[06:44] <TROGDOR42> Should I tell him to screw off and get better internet ;)
[06:44] <kkathman> tell your friend to grow up  to use the internet :)
[06:44] <NeoFax12> does anyone know of a way to mirror the debs on one kubuntu system to another?
[06:44] <kkathman> hehe
[06:44] <jpatrick> claudiu: yes
[06:44] <_clint> tell him netzero if he want fast dial up
[06:44] <jpatrick> claudiu: very soon
[06:44] <_clint> or get into broadband
[06:44] <NeoFax12> By that I mean have to systems setup exactly the same
[06:45] <_clint> dial up = analog transmissions,  broadband, = digital broadband
[06:46] <CarstenP> okay i called "sudo sensors-detect" and he found some sensors, and changed the etc/modules
[06:47] <CarstenP> but when i now call sensors, he tells me .. No sensors found. do i have to reboot for the changes in /etc/modules to take affect?
[06:47] <LjL> CarstenP: yeah, but you can just modprobe the relevant modules instead
[06:47] <LjL> CarstenP: sensors-detect gave you a list of modules that it needs
[06:47] <LjL> CarstenP: do "sudo modprobe <module>" for each of them
[06:48] <CarstenP> LjL: okay i will modprobe i2c-i801 then
[06:49] <CarstenP> okay, i had to sudo it
[06:51] <kkathman> LjL: Hey on that sensor note.. I have a superkaramba theme that doesnt see my sensors for CPU, Fan, etc...will that approach help me?
[06:51] <Meaulnes> hello all ... anyone here using konversation as an IRC client?
[06:51] <CarstenP> LjL: hmm it worked. but  "sensors"  can only shows me the type of RAM i have ... no CPU temperature :( perhaps my mainboard chipset is TOO new
[06:51] <LjL> kkathman: never used superkaramba, but as far as i know, almost all sensor programs use lm-sensors as a backend, so i think you should try
[06:52] <kkathman> LjL: lm-sensors?
[06:52] <LjL> CarstenP: perhaps, it worked "automagically" for me...
[06:52] <LjL> kkathman: yeah, lm-sensors is the package, then "sensors-detect" is the program to configure it
[06:52] <NeoFax12> Meaulnes: Yes, I am
[06:52] <CarstenP> kkathman: yeah the command ist "sensors" but before you have to scan for them
[06:52] <LjL> CarstenP: are you sure you modprobe'd all the relevant modules?
[06:52] <kkathman> LjL: is lm-sensors a standard package or do I need to install it?
[06:53] <LjL> kkathman: install
[06:53] <LjL> kkathman: it's in main
[06:53] <Meaulnes> NeoFax12: I really like this client and it is my first time using it, but I am trying to DCC get a file from a friend and it always seems to time out. If I switch to KSIrc or irssi, it doesn't time out.
[06:53] <Meaulnes> NeoFax12: have you had any problems ever with DCC get?
[06:54] <kkathman> LjL: yeah I just installed
[06:54] <NeoFax12> No. Actually I find it very stable.  It normally is faster for me than mIRC
[06:54] <Meaulnes> heh I haven't used mIRC in years ...
[06:55] <Meaulnes> I used to be an xchat junkie, but I thought it was getting bloated ...
[06:55] <CarstenP> LjL: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/437964 i think i did all correct ?
[06:55] <Meaulnes> oh well ... it is weird ...
[06:55] <Meaulnes> this is a very nice client tho
[06:55] <kkathman> LjL: I'm running the sensors-detect...but its asking to load rivatv - but not to load it if its in the kernal...do you know>?
[06:56] <NeoFax12> It is great for D/Ling anime
[06:56] <LjL> CarstenP: Driver `to-be-written' (should be inserted):
[06:57] <LjL> CarstenP: this does make me suspect that your motherboard may not yet be supported...
[06:57] <NeoFax12> I can have multiple IRC channels open and multiple D/L going.  mIRC does not have this capability
[06:57] <Meaulnes> NeoFax12: yeah ... this DCC thing has me stumped
[06:57] <LjL> kkathman: no idea, you're best of ignoring that i think
[06:59] <CarstenP> LjL: oh okay, then i will wait for the next kubuntu version. funny thing is that when i was installing kubuntu the installer told me sth about CPU - temperature Threshold. So i change my CPU-fan, and i wanted to know if all is fine now :) and i thought, if the installer knows it, kubuntu itseld should know it
[06:59] <LjL> CarstenP: oh well, you know, kubuntu is sensing temperature perfectly here, but the installed never asked me anything about it... :-)
[06:59] <kkathman> LjL: yah lm-sensors didnt help
[06:59] <kkathman> oh well
[07:01] <NeoFax12> CarstenP: That CPU Threshold is from ACPI not lm-sensors
[07:01] <Meaulnes> NeoFax12: have you ever seen this, "[Error]  No DCC download running on port 1024"
[07:01] <Meaulnes> i just now noticed that
[07:02] <NeoFax12> Meaulnes: No, but does your firewall block that port?  If so, unblock it and see if it works.
[07:02] <CarstenP> NeoFax12: so is there a way to read this acpi data, or does it only say when it is too warm?
[07:02] <kkathman> LjL: well it updated my modules, I guess I should reboot?
[07:03] <kkathman> or can I reload modules ?
[07:03] <LjL> kkathman: modprobe add the modules that it listed
[07:03] <LjL> add=all
[07:03] <NeoFax12> CarstenP: Gkrellm will read the ACPI data.  However, it is very limited as the ACPI spec only covers somethings.  Fan speed I don't think is one of them.
[07:05] <CarstenP> NeoFax12: Gkrellm is that a package?
[07:05] <libben> anyone knows if there is a beta for oxygen icons?
[07:05] <jpatrick> libben: no
[07:05] <NeoFax12> CarstenP: Yes, it is.  It is really neat as it monitors all kinds of things not just temps and such
[07:06] <kkathman> LjL: well crap  that doesnt work either :)
[07:06] <kkathman> I wonder if I have to reboot to get the sK theme to work
[07:06] <LjL> ksensors monitors temperature, fans speed and voltages
[07:06] <LjL> kkathman: dunno...
[07:07] <kkathman> jpatrick: do you know anything about lmsensors?
[07:07] <jpatrick> kkathman: no :(
[07:07] <jpatrick> kkathman: if i wanted to know my temperature
[07:08] <jpatrick> kkathman: I'd use a SuperKaramba theme
[07:08] <kkathman> jpatrick: thats what Im useing
[07:09] <kkathman> but its not seing my Fans/Temp
[07:09] <kkathman> jpatrick: I did an install of lmsensors
[07:11] <kkathman> jpatrick: and then did a sensors-detect and thought I did the right installs
[07:11] <jpatrick> kkathman: is there a man page for it?
[07:12] <os2mac> is there a KDE theme for Ubuntu
[07:12] <kkathman> lemme check
[07:12] <kkathman> jpatrick: no
[07:12] <LjL> os2mac: sorry=
[07:12] <kkathman> os2mac: huh???
[07:12] <os2mac> I use Kubuntu.... and I am tired of the blue.
[07:13] <jpatrick> kkathman: info page?
[07:13] <LjL> os2mac: sudo aptitude install kde-artwork
[07:13] <kkathman> os2mac: www.kde-look.org
[07:13] <LjL> os2mac: sudo aptitude install kdeartwork, actually
[07:13] <kkathman> LjL: be careful about recommending aptitude, honestly, it has bugs ok?
[07:14] <kkathman> os2mac: please dont use aptitude is doesnt report or work with everything quite yet
[07:14] <LjL> kkathman: look, it's Debian's default and recommanded package manager; i'm (definitely) not the only one recommending it; if the bugs are *so* serious, it should be removed from Ubuntu
[07:15] <kkathman> LjL: I am asking you please, dont tell people to use it, its broken...and ALL ubuntu pages use apt-get
[07:15] <LjL> and, don't tell me packages like adept or kynaptic don't have bugs, pelase
[07:15] <nxv_> hi, what am i missing to get my dvbt running in kaffeine. channels are displayed. but grey. kaffeine-xine is installed. what else do i have to do?
[07:15] <os2mac> I don't use aptitude I use adept
[07:16] <LjL> kkathman: ok, i'm just going to tell people "install <package>" then. if they ask me how, i'll say i can't reply
[07:17] <kkathman> thats kewl :)
[07:18] <os2mac> so anyway does anyone know where I can get the offical desktop background for ubuntu without downloading Gnome?
[07:19] <os2mac> and it's not on art.ubuntu.com.... I looked.
[07:19] <CarstenP> wow, thanks for the kaffeine xine idea.
[07:19] <nxv_> o2mac: u want just the deskto background?
[07:19] <nxv_> CarstenP: is it working for u?
[07:19] <os2mac> yeah... thanks all.
[07:19] <CarstenP> i just installed it, and i must say that it plays more videos than vlc and mplayer
[07:20] <CarstenP> nxv_: yeah, but i dont have a dvb-t card
[07:20] <nxv_> hm okay, anyone else who could tell me how to get my dvb-t card running with kaffeine?
[07:23] <NeoFax12> nxv_: Is the card recognized by the kernel?  If so, what is the /dev for it?
[07:28] <jjesse> in order to get amaork to see my music cds and add them to my collection, which folder do i want it to scan?
[07:36] <hussam> is kde 3.5 rc2 out?
[07:37] <Riddell> hussam: yes
[07:37] <kkathman> hussam: I think its out 
[07:37] <kkathman> thought I havent seen it in the kubuntu chan topic
[07:38] <kkathman> thought=tho
[07:38] <hussam> Riddell: is this it http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2/ ?
[07:38] <Riddell> packages are still testing, all testers welcome deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main
[07:38] <Riddell> hussam: yes
[07:38] <hussam> how stable is it on breezy?
[07:38] <Riddell> dunno, that's why I need testers :)
[07:39] <_clint> im' going to read up, looks like a lot of useful information
[07:39] <hussam> does it have hal integration and the admin mode fix ported from breezy's 3.4.3 ?
[07:42] <hussam> Riddell: does it have the fixes for admin mode that went into breezy-update for 3.4.3 ?
[07:43] <_clint> k back. so rather sudo install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-mutiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[07:46] <Riddell> hussam: it has hal and I put the admin mode fix into KDE SVN so yes it has that too
[07:47] <_clint> Riddell: 
[07:47] <_clint> you know the easiest way to add mp3 support, mpeg, dvd into kubuntu bud
[07:47] <hussam> Riddell: brilliant. I'll download the packages
[07:48] <Riddell> _clint: see kubuntu.org/faq.php for mp3
[07:48] <Riddell> see restricted formats for dvd
[07:48] <libben> i wish i could install a linux dist into a folder that it thinks is a partition. and u would see it in one window in ur desktop. like the one for osx. where u can see a linux dist inside a window. but that requiered alot of hacking and knowledge
[07:48] <_clint> already have
[07:48] <_clint> :-)
[07:48] <_clint> libben: 
[07:48] <libben> ?
[07:49] <_clint> Paragon Hard Disk Manager will let you gain access to files :D
[07:49] <_clint> ;)
[07:49] <_clint> drag and drop and all :-)
[07:49] <_clint> so will VMware :P
[07:52] <_clint> well i am going study everything I can, and I will do this
[07:53] <claudiu> libben: vmware maybe ?
[07:53] <libben> Riddell: why wont katapult catch up with path? ive made a symlink to /usr/local/bin/azureus and i can tab it in terminal and it starts and all are good. but when i try in katapult it wont get tabbed or pop the azureus png image.
[07:54] <Riddell> libben: katapult doesn't search the path
[07:54] <_clint> claudiu: , not so much a maybe, you can run pretty much any operating system inside windows and do the same on linux and unix
[07:54] <libben> so how does it knows when a knew program is installed?
[07:54] <_clint> ;)
[07:55] <hussam> Riddell: I added the repo and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. it also held back kdebase
[07:55] <notech> hi
[07:56] <notech> need some help.. :)
[07:56] <libben> Riddell: how does it know when a new program is installed then?
[07:57] <Riddell> libben: it looks at .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, same as k-menu
[07:57] <_clint> it sure seems there is always something that works right with a linux system, and then something don't work right
[07:58] <libben> so if i want it to pop in katapult i need to create my own file there?
[07:58] <hussam> Riddell: also something about removing libkcal2a 
[07:58] <_clint> check this out, isn't this something
[07:58] <hussam> Riddell: most importantly it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[07:58] <_clint> Ubuntu Linux [1]  is a Debian-based, desktop Linux distribution whose name 
[07:58] <_clint>  means "humanity to others." The philosophy behind this GNU/Linux 
[07:58] <_clint>  distribution and the great selection of packages make you feel good that 
[07:58] <_clint>  you're using it. The lack of multimedia support, however, leaves your 
[07:58] <_clint>  digital media desires unsated.
[07:59] <Riddell> hussam: that's fine, libkcal is renamed
[07:59] <_clint> :P
[07:59] <Riddell> hussam: I'm not sure why it's removing kubuntu-desktop, I'll look into it
[08:00] <_clint> sorry about that long line
[08:00] <hussam> Riddell: another thing kdebase won't upgrade "Depends: libkonq4 (>=4:3.5.0-0ubuntu1) but 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed"
[08:01] <hussam> Riddell: notice the differnce between 0ubuntu1 and 0ubutnu0breezy1
[08:01] <Riddell> hussam: hang on
[08:01] <_clint> oh I found something to help
[08:03] <_clint> and now that I have found this , I will be able to offer high velocity support, and I will use techSmith CAmtasia 3.0, and record in realtime, with audio and video on how to work with linux systems.. full screen vmware style :D
[08:03] <Riddell> hussam: try apt-get update and dist-upgrading again
[08:03] <hussam> ok
[08:03] <_clint> yep that help :)
[08:03] <_clint> hussam
[08:03] <_clint> perfom these commands in console, 
[08:03] <_clint> sudo apt-get update
[08:03] <_clint> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:04] <_clint> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:04] <hussam> _clint: yes I know that
[08:04] <_clint> k
[08:04] <_clint> :P
[08:04] <_clint> I found it to nicely refresh things :-)
[08:05] <devilz_> does anyone know where i can change grub theme
[08:05] <devilz_> ?
[08:06] <_clint> I was looking on installing the mplayer, and it says, its more than likely with x or ou x be the only media player you need lol
[08:06] <_clint> graphical?
[08:06] <_clint> ->  www.kde-look.org  www.gnome-look.org
[08:06] <devilz_> graphic yes
[08:06] <_clint> 2 of my favorite :)
[08:08] <l3m>  yes. when you have mplayer, why use an inferior player ,)
[08:08] <NeoFax12> devilz_: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:09] <devilz_> NeoFax12, and where can i get themes
[08:09] <devilz_> ?
[08:09] <_clint> well thats just it, you want something done right, you have to read and do it yourself :-)
[08:10] <_clint> thus what I am doing
[08:11] <NeoFax12> Grab the debian ones
[08:15] <ShoC> Hey, im having a bit of trouble getting wine onto my system  im using Konatix, first time user of Linux today anyone able to help me?
[08:16] <libben> anyone knows wich version of kbear is the newest?
[08:16] <libben> cant get to his site, mysql errors
[08:19] <_clint> time for me to do some reading and more reading I guess :)
[08:19] <devilz_> NeoFax12, well i dont have any clue
[08:19] <devilz_> ::D
[08:19] <devilz_> i just want to change background of grub :D
[08:20] <jpat|away> libben: kftpgrabber is much better
[08:20] <libben> jpat|away: and compared to kasablanca?
[08:21] <jpat|away> libben: kftpgrabber is the best imo
[08:21] <_clint> devilz_: , hos that helping do you know how to mess with that :-)
[08:21] <devilz_> no
[08:21] <devilz_> :D
[08:21] <_clint> lol
[08:21] <fevoldj2> Has anyone seen raphink around?
[08:21] <_clint> XD
[08:21] <_clint> its easy
[08:21] <devilz_> i'd like to have it like suse
[08:21] <devilz_> its very nice
[08:21] <_clint> :-)
[08:22] <raphink> not in a long time fevoldj2 
[08:22] <_clint> I might try open suse :-)
[08:22] <libben> jpat|away: any official deb for kubuntu for it? is it make install the only way for it?
[08:22] <fevoldj2> there we go
[08:22] <jpat|away> libben: I made
[08:22] <jpat|away> one
[08:22] <devilz_> _clint, yay :D
[08:22] <devilz_> ubuntu its ok
[08:22] <libben> that uses the correct folders and all that for kde/kubuntu?
[08:22] <jpat|away> libben: let me find it
[08:23] <devilz_> _clint, its just hard to change grub picture :D
[08:23] <jpat|away> libben: here's the deb: http://www.whoiam55.at.preempted.net/public/jpatrick/
[08:23] <Meaulnes> anyc chance someone could help me figure out why I cannot find ndiswrapper-utils?
[08:24] <_clint> lol
[08:24] <fevoldj2> Hi, I'm trying to uninstall webmin, but when I attempt to do so, the packages fail to uninstall and become broken.
[08:24] <_clint> not really :-)
[08:25] <_clint> devilz, you should see Acronis Disk Director Suite 9
[08:25] <_clint> ;)
[08:25] <devilz_> what is that
[08:25] <libben> jpat|away: i assume it is configured for the right paths in kubuntu?
[08:25] <jpat|away> libben: yes
[08:25] <jpat|away> libben: it was built for Kubuntu
[08:25] <libben> so its installed to /usr/local/ ? and a exec to /usr/local/bin?
[08:26] <jpat|away> libben: --prefix=/usr
[08:26] <jpat|away> libben: like all packages I make
[08:27] <_clint> hey devilz_ 
[08:27] <devilz_> ya?
[08:27] <libben> lol
[08:27] <libben> kdebase is not install
[08:27] <libben> wtf
[08:28] <jpat|away> libben: sorry about that
[08:29] <devilz_> _clint?
[08:29] <libben> jpat|away: so what? i need to install kdebase? isnt it just a meta package?
[08:30] <_clint> guess what I'm going try :P
[08:30] <jpat|away> libben: it's just the nucleus of KDE
[08:30] <fevoldj2> Hi, I'm trying to uninstall webmin, but when I attempt to do so, the packages fail to uninstall and become broken.
[08:31] <devilz_> _clint, grub background ?=)
[08:31] <libben> jpat|away: yeah, but isnt all that allready installed
[08:31] <jpat|away> libben: it is
[08:36] <_clint> devilz_:  this should work, 
[08:36] <jpat|away> libben: it work?
[08:36] <_clint> http://suse.mirrors.tds.net/pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source/ for open suse netinstall
[08:36] <_clint> :)
[08:36] <devilz_> yes
[08:36] <libben> yeah i got it installed right now. but i had some weird experience while i was looking at the kde base packages.
[08:36] <libben> i dident choose to install them
[08:37] <libben> and i dident hit aply changes
[08:37] <_clint> what you got installed
[08:37] <libben> and all suddenly kdebase is installed and kftpgrabber works
[08:37] <libben> it does not pop in katapult though =(
[08:37] <_clint> hey devilz_ , that should work right?
[08:37] <devilz_> yes
[08:37] <_clint> why have you tried it
[08:38] <jpat|away> libben: nope works here
[08:38] <libben> well it popped in katapult after restarting it, but whooa... upscaled icon
[08:38] <jpat|away> yep :(
[08:39] <devilz_> _clint i used suse
[08:39] <devilz_> 1 day ago
[08:39] <devilz_> :D
[08:40] <kkathman> devilz_: suse....why did you switch?
[08:41] <jpatrick> kkathman: Kubuntu's nicer
[08:41] <devilz_> becouse hardisk i used for suse it was so loud i needed to change it
[08:41] <devilz_> :D
[08:41] <_clint> and?
[08:41] <_clint> lol :|
[08:42] <Latem> If I want to have windows XP on my master HD, and kubuntu on my 2nd (slave) HD, can I do this, and keep the windows bootloader (NTLOADER or whatever it called), or will I have to put GRUB?
[08:42] <Latem> ive never done dual boot in any shape or form before
[08:42] <_clint> yes latem
[08:42] <devilz_> _clint, now i'm using just kubuntu
[08:42] <_clint> devilz_:  I have tried many
[08:43] <Latem> sorry _clint  i worded my question badly, yes I can do it; or yes I'll have to puyt GRUB?
[08:43] <_clint> you don't have to install your boot loader to the other hard drive
[08:43] <devilz_> _clint, and which you like most
[08:43] <devilz_> ?
[08:43] <_clint> no comment
[08:44] <_clint> this dam laptop, its hard getting the right 1 for it, its a 2005 and a biatch :-)
[08:45] <devilz_> hehe
[08:46] <_clint> heck I dont' even know anymore devilz_ 
[08:46] <Latem> I understand that I dont need a boot loader on my slave.  if I have Windows XP on my master already; and I put a second HD in and install Kubuntu on it; the Kubuntu installer will replace NTLOADER with GRUB AFAIK. Is there a way to keep NTLOADER, and after Kubuntu installation it will have 2 options (XP and Kubuntu)?
[08:47] <Latem> maybe i dont understand how booting works =[
[08:47] <devilz_> brb
[08:48] <_clint> you can change in bios , what  hard driveyou want to boot
[08:48] <_clint> hd0/ hd1  hd2 / hd3 etc
[08:52] <libben> how do i fix so i can boot my winxp drive again?
[08:52] <libben> i have it mounted in linux. and all that. but i cant get it to boot from grub
[08:52] <libben> think it got a beating from bootloader
[08:53] <Knowerrors> Anybody here using firestarter? I need help with it please...
[08:53] <libben> but what happends if i try to fix it? wont linux and grub get removed?
[08:54] <gsuveg> anyone use katapult ?
[08:54] <_clint> libben: 
[08:54] <jpatrick> gsuveg: me
[08:54] <_clint> what hard drive is win xp on
[08:54] <CarstenP> what is katapult?
[08:55] <jpatrick> CarstenP: oh my
[08:55] <jpatrick> CarstenP: item launcher for KDE
[08:55] <_clint> you know, you can install Acronis Disk Director Suite 9
[08:55] <_clint> it has a graphical OS Selector
[08:55] <jpatrick> CarstenP: Press Alt-F2 and type 'katapult'
[08:55] <libben> _clint: hda
[08:56] <libben> and linux on hdb
[08:56] <gsuveg> jpatrick: me dont in katapult list the skype, but is path
[08:56] <libben> but i dont wich one has the bootloader
[08:56] <gsuveg> jpatrick: have you idea ?
[08:56] <jpatrick> gsuveg: you can't see Skype in it?
[08:57] <gsuveg> dont
[08:57] <libben> gsuveg: killall katapult
[08:57] <gsuveg> on konsole can i start it
[08:57] <gsuveg> libben: and ?
[08:57] <libben> and alt+f2
[08:57] <osh> any idea on why workrave will be updated? There's a version that doesn't require the gnomelibs now I think.
[08:57] <libben> type katapult
[08:57] <libben> and try again
[08:57] <jpatrick> gsuveg: katapult looks for .desktop files
[08:58] <gsuveg> lemme see
[08:58] <gsuveg> jpatrick: i have it in menu
[09:01] <libben> anyone wanna guide me some?
[09:01] <libben> on my earlier Q about xp drive
[09:01] <libben> just a few lines up
[09:01] <libben> _clint got dissconected
[09:01] <gsuveg> jpatrick: funny. its in kde menu, but dont in katapult
[09:01] <libben> gsuveg: it looks for special desktop files in /usr/somewhere/bla/blah
[09:02] <gsuveg> libben: ah. right
[09:03] <libben> [19:57]  <Riddell> libben: it looks at .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, same as k-menu
[09:04] <gsuveg> libben: thanks
[09:04] <gsuveg> and what is the std dir ?
[09:05] <libben> jpatrick: how can i create my own .desktop file?
[09:05] <libben> i wanna make a azureus one =)
[09:05] <jpatrick> libben: look in /usr/share/applications
[09:06] <libben> jpatrick: i have
[09:06] <libben> but what? i just copy one and edit its content?
[09:06] <jpatrick> libben: yeah
[09:07] <jpatrick> libben: they're just text files
[09:07] <libben> or i can create one in the menu editor? and it will pop up in menu and then pop into katapult
[09:07] <jpatrick> maybe
[09:07] <kkathman> jpatrick:  you use katapult?
[09:08] <libben> well, menu editor would place a desktop file when i create one? well that would be the logical thing =)
[09:08] <bl3ssing> lhello everyone
[09:08] <jpatrick> kkathman: SVN verison
[09:08] <kkathman> jpatrick: I tried it, and just never really found it that useful, but I started using ksmoothdock and love it
[09:09] <jpatrick> kkathman: I like KXDocker for docks
[09:09] <jpatrick> kkathman: which is why I made a package for it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1025
[09:10] <kkathman> jpatrick: yah.. I think they are similar right?
[09:10] <kkathman> I just happened upon ksmoothdock first I guess :)
[09:10] <jpatrick> KXDocker is more like the Mac OSX one
[09:10] <kkathman> jpatrick: parabolic?
[09:10] <devilz_> (hd0,5) i dont understand this
[09:11] <jpatrick> kkathman: has a few more thingys
[09:11] <jpatrick> plugins etc
[09:11] <kkathman> jpatrick: ksmoothdock seems to have everything I need, plugins, and customization..but I'll take a look :)
[09:11] <kkathman> jpatrick: is the repos version the most current?
[09:12] <kkathman> prolly not
[09:12] <jpatrick> kkathman: out-dated verison in repos- mine (lastest) being reviewed
[09:12] <wobster> if I'd simply install kde on ubuntu .. would that result in kubuntu?
[09:12] <gsuveg> hm
[09:12] <jpatrick> wobster: yes
[09:12] <notech> need some help.. :)
[09:12] <jjesse> wobster: install kubuntu-desktop
[09:12] <gsuveg> whree search desktop files the katapult ?
[09:12] <wobster> alright. thanks
[09:12] <kkathman> jpatrick: I dont like parabolic tho...if its parabolic, icck
[09:13] <gsuveg> usr/share/applnk/Internet isnt good
[09:13] <Knowerrors> how do kxdocker, ksmoothdocker, kooldock compare ?
[09:13] <notech> could someone help me plz :)
[09:13] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: KoolDocks feature lacking imo
[09:14] <kkathman> jpatrick: which one is the best to dowload...the tar.gz ?
[09:14] <Knowerrors> so ksmoothdocker is best of the 3?
[09:14] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: your opinion
[09:14] <wobster> now that I'm here: I think I messed up my package-db when upgrading from hoary to breezy. for example I got some kernel-image in the database but synaptic says it wouldnt actually exist and synaptic totally locks up the X server with 100% cpuload when I select that for deinstallation. can I do something about it?
[09:14] <kkathman> Knowerrors: I use ksmoothdock, its nice, but has a few graphical quirks occasionally
[09:15] <jpatrick> kkathman: the tar.gz has the source, but there's a way to make a deb with the files
[09:15] <gsuveg> where search desktop files the katapult ?
[09:15] <notech> need some help configure vga card,if someone could help me,contact me thank u.
[09:16] <Knowerrors> I tried kxdocker, used ALOT of cpu, I have Athlon xp 1800, and it was close to 90% cpu while rolling across the kxdocker icons
[09:16] <bl3ssing> has need for speed any game for linux?
[09:16] <libben> gsuveg: just right click on Kmenu on the left bottom
[09:16] <libben> and choose menu editor
[09:16] <libben> and make a new entry in there
[09:16] <libben> and it will pop in katapult after u killed it and restarted it
[09:16] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: only thing that put me off was that it would remove the network folders
[09:16] <gsuveg> libben: not
[09:17] <libben> ?
[09:17] <gsuveg> libben: skype is in kde menu, but isnt in katapult after reload
[09:17] <gsuveg> skype desktop is in usr/share/applnk/Internet/skype.destop
[09:17] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: any way to improve resource usage/perfomance of kxdocker?
[09:18] <libben> what was the command to update the db? 
[09:18] <jpatrick> kkathman: get the tar and compile
[09:18] <libben> so locate will find what i want
[09:19] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: nope :(
[09:19] <gsuveg> libben: hmm. have you idea ?
[09:20] <libben> maybe. u could try make a new entry, that is named skype2 and then enter same values and then save it and kill and restart katapult
[09:20] <jpatrick> kkathman: will be in Dapper probably end of weekend (I hope)
[09:23] <gsuveg> libben: hmm?
[09:24] <libben> hows it going?
[09:24] <libben> working?
[09:24] <bl3ssing> can anybody help me again? I can't watch my mpeg/wmv/avi/asf/div movies! :-( 
[09:25] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: what player are you using?
[09:27] <notech> Hi,i googled for any sites related to my vga card,find some but don't know how to configure my card,could someone help me?
[09:27] <bl3ssing> which is the best ...? CarstenP ?
[09:27] <notech> site i found: http://who.is.free.fr/wiki/?IGP%20340M
[09:27] <bl3ssing> I have a lots ... but I want to find it the best!
[09:27] <gsuveg> libben: not
[09:28] <l3m> bl3ssing: mplayer 
[09:28] <CarstenP> i found that kaffeine is very good.
[09:28] <CarstenP> if you install the kaffeine-xine plugin
[09:28] <libben> and u rightclicked on kmenu? and made a new entry and then clicked diskette icon(save) and restarted katapult?
[09:28] <CarstenP> and then set the engine away from Gstreamer
[09:29] <libben> what was the command to update the db? 
[09:29] <libben> what was the command to update the db? so i can use locate properly?
[09:30] <gsuveg> libben: yes. ist inst in katapult. i cant start with it
[09:31] <bl3ssing> Media player (kaffeine? Noatun?)
[09:31] <bl3ssing> l3m, ?
[09:32] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: which file on that link you posted is the ubu deb of kxdocker?
[09:32] <Knowerrors> I mean ksmoothdock
[09:33] <notech> any help? :/
[09:34] <bl3ssing> notech? what's the pb is botthering you?
[09:34] <bl3ssing> tell to papa.
[09:34] <bl3ssing> LOL
[09:34] <bl3ssing> he's gone ...
[09:34] <bl3ssing> too late.
[09:34] <bl3ssing> good morning notech  ... what kind of pb. do you have?
[09:34] <notech> :))))
[09:35] <notech> hi
[09:35] <bl3ssing> hheeehh
[09:35] <bl3ssing> are you smilling? to me?
[09:35] <bl3ssing> I can see your teeth ...
[09:35] <bl3ssing> =))
[09:35] <notech> i need to configure my integrated vga card in laptop
[09:35] <bl3ssing> hihihi hhoho hehhheh
[09:35] <bl3ssing> ok
[09:35] <notech> i googled and found many sites about it
[09:35] <bl3ssing> what kind of vga card do you have?
[09:35] <bl3ssing> and ...?
[09:35] <notech> i dont know how! :/ (i am new to linux)
[09:36] <notech> ATI igp 345M on Sony Vaio
[09:36] <bl3ssing> lol about you being  new. I'm new as well. =))))))))))))))))))
[09:36] <bl3ssing> hahaahh
[09:36] <bl3ssing> but ... didn't you install it ... I mean ... didn't the kubuntu installed it automatically?
[09:36] <notech> http://who.is.free.fr/wiki/?IGP%20340M
[09:36] <bl3ssing> cause mine works perfect (of course, it is a different one)
[09:36] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:36] <notech> no
[09:36] <bl3ssing> that's sad
[09:36] <notech> i dont have 3d acceleration
[09:37] <notech> and opengl
[09:37] <bl3ssing> don't you have openGL?
[09:37] <gsuveg> libben: hmm. have you more idea ?
[09:37] <bl3ssing> that's bad
[09:37] <bl3ssing> you can't even play a good game. :-)
[09:37] <notech> found this site talking about xorg.. etc.. any ideas?
[09:37] <bl3ssing> gsuveg, what kind of idea?
[09:37] <notech> i am on kubuntu 5.10
[09:37] <libben> not really. i got my azureus working with just adding it thru menu editor
[09:37] <bl3ssing> me too notech 
[09:37] <bl3ssing> well notech
[09:38] <gsuveg> bl3ssing: why cant start skype with katapult
[09:38] <bl3ssing> have you tried to install any repository ...?
[09:38] <bl3ssing> what's katapult gsuveg ? :-)
[09:38] <notech> no,dont know how
[09:38] <bl3ssing> well ...
[09:38] <notech> is that site bad?
[09:39] <bl3ssing> !ubotu say to notech how to install any repositories
[09:39] <ubotu> Not a clue, bl3ssing
[09:39] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:39] <gsuveg> bl3ssing: why ask if you dont know what is katapult ?
[09:39] <bl3ssing> LOL
[09:39] <bl3ssing> GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..............
[09:39] <bl3ssing> bl3ssing's back...
[09:39] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: that's just the source package
[09:40] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: an MOTU will build and upload it later
[09:40] <bl3ssing> gsuveg, ther's no pb. using katapult with skype
[09:40] <notech> what repository i need to install? how?
[09:40] <bl3ssing> I know skype's the best messenger ...
[09:41] <bl3ssing> but ... it doesn't mean that it will work with katapult
[09:41] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: whats different with that source vs the one on kde-look.org?
[09:41] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: they're both the same
[09:41] <bl3ssing> you might try the google ... for any solutions. I know this kubuntu channel might bring you more ideas/clues about how to use the skype ... but ... in this case, you'll need to ask the ubuntu ...
[09:42] <alistair> hi room
[09:42] <alistair> I've got a problem with my x-org, can someone please help?
[09:42] <gsuveg> alistair: ask ;)
[09:43] <alistair> When I start up, after the nvidia splash, my system instead of loading kdm, hangs on the battery test.
[09:43] <alistair> so i press contrl-alt-f1
[09:43] <alistair> and go to a command line...
[09:43] <alistair> i login and try startx from my user account
[09:43] <alistair> but i get an long error, and the end of it looks like this:
[09:44] <alistair> "Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0"
[09:44] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: I tried building using the source from kde-look.org, ./configure, make, sudo make install, didn't seem to install anything
[09:44] <alistair> and it has alot fo things like that
[09:44] <alistair> and then also in the error is
[09:44] <alistair> "Fatal server error:  Caught signal 11.  Server aborting"
[09:45] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: don't use just ./configure
[09:45] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: it's "./configure --prefix=/usr"
[09:45] <alistair> The only thing I changed on my x-conf file recently was to enable translucency..
[09:45] <adamti91> whos the smartest kubuntu instlal in here
[09:45] <adamti91> i need that much help
[09:45] <alistair> can someone help me?
[09:45] <bl3ssing> is there any DCC/eMule++ for Kubuntu?
[09:46] <jpatrick> adamti91: what?
[09:46] <adamti91> install issues
[09:46] <adamti91> cant access tty? dropps to shell
[09:46] <gsuveg> bl3ssing: are you kiddin?
[09:46] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: thx will try that... exactly as you put it
[09:46] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: i heard of amule and xmule
[09:46] <bl3ssing> gsuveg, why shall I be kidding?
[09:46] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: first remove what you have installed
[09:46] <adamti91> jpatrick
[09:46] <adamti91> i pmed you
[09:46] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: 'sudo make uninstall'
[09:46] <Knowerrors> jpatrick: how do I do that?
[09:47] <alistair> :|  if someone has time, please help.  I need this machine for work.
[09:47] <alistair> http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1866.0
[09:47] <jpatrick> adamti91: really?
[09:47] <Knowerrors> I just trashed the folder jpatrick 
[09:47] <adamti91> IMed
[09:47] <adamti91> yaeh 
[09:47] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: recover it
[09:47] <alistair> pm me if u can.  thanks in advance-  fish.  The only thing I changed on my x-conf file recently was to enable translucency..
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 can someone help me?
 is there any DCC/eMule++ for Kubuntu?
 adamti91: what?
 install issues
 cant access tty? dropps to shell
 bl3ssing: are you kiddin?
[09:48] <adamti91> ??
[09:48] <kinfo> i don't understand.
 jpatrick: thx will try that... exactly as you put it
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[09:48] <jpatrick> flood!
[09:48] <adamti91> lol
[09:48] <adamti91> jpatrick
[09:48] <adamti91> i imed you in IRC
[09:48] <jpatrick> :/ oh thank god for that
[09:48] <bl3ssing> helppppppppppppppppppppp
[09:48] <bl3ssing> I can't run ADEPT again ... why?
[09:49] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: this happens to me sometimes too, sometimes it crashed
[09:49] <bl3ssing> I've tried all the commands I know: sudo kill -9 8588; ps aux | grep adept; sudo passwd -l root, but nothing.
[09:49] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: simply do: './configure --prefix=/usr' then 'make' (you won't have to recompile) and make install
[09:49] <bl3ssing> lol CarstenP 
[09:49] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:49] <jpatrick> adamti91: I'm sending you stuff :/
[09:50] <adamti91> thanks
[09:50] <adamti91> not getting it
[09:50] <adamti91> you  AIM
[09:50] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: what does ps aux | grep adept say?
[09:50] <jpatrick> :|
[09:50] <jpatrick> My Jabber's: jpatrick@kdetalk.net
[09:50] <adamti91> thanks
[09:50] <adamti91> ill uh
[09:50] <adamti91> go get a jabber i guess
[09:51] <bl3ssing> CarstenP,  ... is's saying ... marius   13077  0.0  0.1   3064   756 pts/4    R+   22:50   0:00 grep adept
[09:51] <adamti91> yahoo or AIM
[09:51] <adamti91> ?
[09:51] <jpatrick> nah
[09:51] <CarstenP> this is the only line?
[09:51] <bl3ssing> yeap
[09:51] <bl3ssing> that's right.
[09:51] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: then there is no running adept process.
[09:51] <adamti91> lemme get my jabber plugin for trill:
[09:52] <bl3ssing> but ... what can I do to be able to run it?
[09:52] <adamti91> nvm its pro
[09:52] <bl3ssing> cause I can't install my files ...
[09:52] <jpatrick> adamti91: Trillian sucks at IRC
[09:52] <adamti91> yeh
[09:52] <adamti91> its fine in misticrier and other chats
[09:53] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: how's it going?
[09:53] <bl3ssing> adamti91, why are you speaking so ugly in a public channel?
[09:53] <bl3ssing> go talk like this when you're alone ... but not here. ;-)
[09:53] <bl3ssing> or at least, you got a wall in back of the yard ... :-)
[09:53] <adamti91> ugly?
[09:53] <bl3ssing> bad ...
[09:53] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:53] <bl3ssing> lol
[09:53] <bl3ssing> just kidding.
[09:53] <adamti91> ah
[09:53] <adamti91> sorry
[09:53] <bl3ssing> heheheh
[09:54] <bl3ssing> ugly is the yard and wall
[09:54] <bl3ssing> I can't run ADEPT again ... why?
[09:54] <bl3ssing> helppppppppppppppppppppp
[09:54] <LjL> bl3ssing: what does "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" tell you this time
[09:54] <bl3ssing> pls, my chicken has HB5
[09:54] <jpatrick> bl3ssing: what errors does it give?
[09:54] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:55] <adamti91> mirc wont connect :(
[09:55] <bl3ssing> LjL, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/438106
[09:55] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:55] <bl3ssing> you're again here to save me.
[09:55] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:56] <jpatrick> adamti91: what is the problem?
[09:56] <LjL> bl3ssing: so, "ps aux | grep adept" gives you nothing? are you sure you haven't Adept, Synaptic, apt-get, aptitude or something like that already running?
[09:56] <adamti91> jpatrick
[09:56] <adamti91> anything?
[09:56] <adamti91>  [15:47]  adamti91: I install, go through normal blue screen installation uglieness
[09:56] <adamti91>  [15:47]  adamti91: then
[09:56] <adamti91>  [15:47]  adamti91: restart like it says it will
[09:56] <adamti91>  [15:47]  adamti91: and choose kubuntu from grup menu
[09:56] <adamti91>  [15:48]  adamti91: and the bar comes up, says loading modules-OK
[09:56] <robotgeek> adamti91: what are you trying to do
[09:56] <adamti91> [15:48]  adamti91: then
[09:56] <adamti91> [15:49]  adamti91: initializing /dev shows
[09:56] <adamti91> [15:49]  adamti91: and then it drops to command line entry
[09:56] <robotgeek> !ops
[09:56] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and nalioth
[09:56] <adamti91> [15:49]  adamti91: and says:
[09:56] <adamti91> [15:52]  adamti91: ALERT! /dev/sde3 does not exist
[09:56] <adamti91>  dropping to a shell!
[09:56] <adamti91> 
[09:56] <bl3ssing> maybe I have the aptitude opened
[09:56] <adamti91> 
[09:56] <adamti91>  BusyBox v1.00-pre10 (Debian 20040623-1ubuntu22) built in shell (ash)
[09:56] <adamti91>  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:56] <bl3ssing> I'll try to close all of them.
[09:57] <adamti91> and i cant do anything
[09:57] <adamti91> any help?
[09:57] <bl3ssing> how can I see all the processes are opened into my computer?
[09:57] <jpatrick> hmm :/
[09:57] <LjL> bl3ssing: you can't use a program that accesses APT while another one is running
[09:57] <bl3ssing> it is enough the CTRL+ESC key?
[09:57] <LjL> bl3ssing: yes, or type "ps aux"
[09:57] <jpatrick> adamti91: must be a bad C
[09:57] <robotgeek> adamti91: wth are you filling the channel with crap. get a different client?
[09:57] <jpatrick> CD*
[09:57] <adamti91> huh robotgeek?
[09:58] <LjL> adamti91: please read the channel topic
[09:58] <bl3ssing> if I want to close any of the processes, how can I do it?
[09:58] <robotgeek> adamti91: your client was filling the channel with crap
[09:58] <adamti91> i as coppying from my IM that didnt work
[09:58] <adamti91> sorry
[09:58] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell adamti91 about pastebin
[09:59] <LjL> bl3ssing: "kill -s 9 ProcessNumber", where "ProcessNumber" is the first column in the "ps aux" output
[09:59] <bl3ssing> ubotu: tell adamti91 about pastebin
[09:59] <LjL> bl3ssing: or, you can just ctrl+esc and kill from there
[09:59] <bl3ssing> kool ... LjL I'll try both of them.
[09:59] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:59] <adamti91> well im off to chance my boot command
[09:59] <adamti91> to /dev/hda3
[10:05] <bl3ssing> I did it LjL ... easy easy ... I'll start to learn.
[10:05] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> Thanks bro ... again.
[10:05] <LjL> ;)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> God richly bless you.
[10:05] <bl3ssing> gr ... many things of to think of here .... ;)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> but it is ok.
[10:06] <bl3ssing> now ... LjL , can you help me in another thing, pls? I'd love to install my codecs so that I can run the mpeg/mpg/avi/dvi ... files. Can I?
[10:06] <jpatrick> bl3ssing: yes
[10:06] <jpatrick> install gstreamer-0.8-plugins
[10:07] <bl3ssing> they are allready installed.
[10:07] <bl3ssing> jpatrick, anything else?
[10:07] <bl3ssing> :)
[10:07] <bl3ssing> thanks for helping me.
[10:07] <LjL> bl3ssing: yes, you can, read the RestrictedFormat article, makes it quite easy
[10:08] <LjL> bl3ssing: basically, just install everything that begins with "gstreamer-0.8-" ;)
[10:09] <LjL> bl3ssing: that includes gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse , if you really want most formats... you must have the Multiverse (as well as the Universe) repository enabled, of course
[10:09] <libben> anyone wanna help me with my xp partition? i had winxp installed before i installed linux on my new 200 gb seagate... now ive mounted windows hda to /media/windows but i cant looad windows from grub. think the grub was overwriting the mbr on my xp drive. and what will happend if i try to fix this? my grub will stop work? and i need livecd to fix it?
[10:10] <Kibou> you can't boot into windows?
[10:12] <libben> nope. not when i tried to edit the grub for it.. and i tried all hda,1 hda,0 and so on that my hda had
[10:13] <Kibou> so windows doesn't show up in the grub boot loader screen, right?
[10:13] <bl3ssing> great LjL , I'll do my best.
[10:13] <bl3ssing> :)
[10:13] <bl3ssing> thanks ...
[10:13] <libben> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5052
[10:14] <libben> Kibou: not in grub no. but ive tried to boot it manually with the right parm
[10:14] <libben> i think its because mbr
[10:14] <Kibou> what does your menu.lst in /boot/grub say?
[10:16] <mymayer> i just installed kubuntu, iam used to debian. Somehow i have locked me out, he is not accepting my root password rigth after the installation. What to do ? Boot in safe mode and than gain access ?
[10:16] <mymayer> Dont ask me, what happend. I did the normal installation, no erros. Just login as root is impossible
[10:16] <rob_melb> hmm what do I use to login/passwd to kubuntu live cd
[10:18] <mymayer> ?
[10:18] <libben> Kibou: right now its default one
[10:18] <libben> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5053
[10:18] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell mymayer about sudo
[10:18] <libben> and this was my partitions http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5052
[10:19] <Kibou> look at the stuff starting at line 38
[10:20] <Kibou> uncomment that and you have an entry for windows in grub
[10:20] <libben> yeah i know.
[10:20] <libben> but i cant get it to load.
[10:20] <libben> even when i set the entrys for my drive in there
[10:20] <jef> help meh
[10:20] <luxoculta> oixx
[10:20] <libben> and i think it has to do with my f**d up mbr on my xp drive. that starts linux also
[10:20] <luxoculta> hey guys
[10:21] <libben> well i think i putted the linux mbr on the xp part 
[10:21] <jef> I just installed kubuntu. It never asked for root password. whats ze deal
[10:21] <Kibou> if grub pops up it's probably on the mbr of the first drive, yea
[10:21] <libben> jef: no root
[10:21] <jef> ?
[10:22] <libben> !tell jef about root
[10:22] <luxoculta> if you try to do somrhin g in wich you dont have permissin 
[10:22] <Kibou> but you still should be able to boot windows in grub
[10:22] <luxoculta> it wil  ask!1
[10:22] <libben> if u look in my partitions table
[10:22] <libben> Kibou: ^^ 
[10:22] <libben> what should i type in the hd0,1 section
[10:23] <jef> no root thats crazy
[10:23] <Kibou> hda1 = hd0,0
[10:25] <_martin> Help a nOOb out please... I just installed ScummVM and downloaded "Beneath a steel sky". It seems to have put some package in the var/cache/apt/archives folder. How to I proceed to install or compile the archive or whatever you do to get to work?
[10:27] <Kibou> it's still like in your menu.lst.. just uncomment the windows stuff
[10:28] <_martin> What?
[10:34] <libben> jef u can get root if u want.
[10:34] <Flying_Eagle> when im hunting a bug in kcontrol and need help. should i ask in #kde-devel or kubuntu-dev?
[10:35] <bl3ssing> I'm having a Party, a Party for 2, ... a party, a Party for 2.
[10:35] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:38] <wtfzorz> im likeing kubuntu
[10:38] <CarstenP> me too!
[10:39] <wtfzorz> should I selece linux-686 in Adept or just leave it
[10:39] <wtfzorz> I used i386 cd iso
[10:39] <wtfzorz> select*
[10:39] <CarstenP> i have no idea 
[10:39] <l3m> _martin: the game is in /usr/share/games
[10:40] <l3m> _martin: just open scummvm, "add game" and point in to /usr/share/games/....
[10:41] <l3m> _martin: err, actuall /usr/games
[10:41] <seth_k|lappy> wtfzorz, what proc do you have?
[10:42] <l3m> _martin: /usr/games/queen/queen for flight of the amazon queen
[10:42] <l3m> and so on
[10:42] <seth_k|lappy> Flying_Eagle, I'd try #kde, not #kde-devel
[10:42] <Flying_Eagle> theres somebody just helping me in kde-devel
[10:46] <luxoculta> hey 
[10:46] <luxoculta> i need some help with "Konversation"
[10:47] <luxoculta> how do i see the channels list! sorry !nOOb!
[10:47] <luxoculta> ?
[10:47] <fatejudger> is Kubuntu going to have the new Gstreamer 0.10 packages as soon as the source is released?
[10:47] <LjL> luxoculta: what channel list?
[10:48] <LjL> luxoculta: Windows / Channel list for <networks>?
[10:48] <luxoculta> the channels list on the "Konverstion" 
[10:48] <LjL> yeah, listing what?
[10:48] <LjL> which channels do you want listed?
[10:49] <Riddell> fatejudger: in dapper yes
[10:49] <luxoculta> all those wich are registered in this server
[10:49] <mayer> are that nvidia drivers for a 64bit system only, or just for the AMD64 prozessor ? :NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-7676-pkg2.run 
[10:49] <LjL> luxoculta: then it's the command I said. however, be aware that you'll very easily be disconnected
[10:50] <fatejudger> Riddell: what about Breezy?
[10:50] <Riddell> fatejudger: no, breezy was released some time ago
[10:51] <fatejudger> Riddell: well gstreamer 0.8 sucks, and I'm not too sure about getting Dapper
[10:51] <luxoculta> thanks 
[10:51] <fatejudger> Riddell: isn't Dapper supposed to be very unstable?
[10:51] <LjL> fatejudger: until it's released, yeah
[10:51] <Riddell> fatejudger: yes (but not as unstable as breezy was during development)
[10:52] <fatejudger> Riddell: I figured that, Breezy was all about adding features, Dapper seems to be more about making them work right
[10:53] <libben> Kibou: when i choose hd0,0 i get NTDLR is missing
[10:53] <libben> and isnt that a file in c:\ 
[10:53] <libben> anyone knows what to do
[10:53] <libben> ?
[10:54] <fatejudger> Riddell: Exactly how unstable is Dapper though? Can it be used for normal operations without worrying too much about huge data loss and the like?
[10:54] <robotgeek> fatejudger: not recommended if you need support
[10:54] <fatejudger> I can figure most things out on my own
[10:55] <am> when i run sudo apt-get update
[10:55] <am> i get this
[10:55] <am> W: GPG error: ftp://fr.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[10:55] <am> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:55] <fatejudger> !gpgerror
[10:55] <ubotu> fatejudger: Are you smoking crack?
[10:55] <Kibou> hmm
[10:55] <fatejudger> damn, I know that one
[10:55] <LjL> !gpgerr
[10:55] <ubotu> methinks gpgerr is If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*
[10:55] <fatejudger> yes, there you go
[10:55] <fatejudger> lol
[10:55] <fatejudger> why can't they spell it out?
[10:55] <fatejudger> stupid ubotu
[10:56] <fatejudger> I thought gpgerr referred to a wiki entry
[10:57] <LjL> ubotu no, gpgerr is a GPG-related error that sometimes occur when accessing the Ubuntu archives; it can usually be solved by typing "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*" (without the quotes!) in a terminal
[10:57] <ubotu> LjL: okay
[10:57] <Riddell> fatejudger: flight-1 is fine
[10:57] <Mitja> Does btdownloadcurses sometimes set a device as read only?
[10:57] <libben> anyone knows how i fix my xp partition?
[10:57] <libben> it says NTDLR is missing when i try to boot windows
[10:58] <Mitja> libben: boot with xp cd, press R. then fixboot c: and fixmbr
[10:58] <fatejudger> Riddell: my sound card has pretty bad support in gstreamer 0.8 which I know has been fixed in the devel 0.9 released, so I might try flight-1
[10:58] <fatejudger> Riddell: thanks
[10:58] <LjL> fatejudger: perhaps we could get it in backports
[10:58] <LjL> fatejudger: you should probably try asking, even though it's probably a too big piece of software to be backported
[10:58] <Riddell> fatejudger: flight-1 has no gstreamer changes, wait for flight-2
[10:58] <fatejudger> Riddell: okay, I will then
[10:59] <fatejudger> LjL: gstreamer being backported would be great
[10:59] <Kibou> fixmbr overwrites the mbr and grub gets lost
[10:59] <fatejudger> LjL: I know I'm not the only one who's mad at gstreamer 0.8
[10:59] <am> ubotu: erm...that didn't really fix it :)
[10:59] <ubotu> am: Are you on ritalin?
[10:59] <am> ah its a bot
[10:59] <fatejudger> lol
[10:59] <LjL> fatejudger: well the way to (try to) make it happen is to make a backports request ;-) that is, of course, *after* it's been released in Dapper, since Riddel said it isn't yet..
[10:59] <am> fatejudger: yeh that didn't work
[10:59] <fatejudger> am: I think you have to restart or wait a few minutes
[11:00] <am> oh ok
[11:00] <fatejudger> LjL: like you said though, I think it's too big to be backported
[11:00] <CarstenP> what sound kernel module is currently loaded on my machine?
[11:00] <LjL> fatejudger: possibly, but trying won't hurt
[11:01] <fatejudger> LjL: you're absolutely right
[11:01] <bl3ssing> how're you people?
[11:01] <am> i'll restart then...seems odd though
[11:01] <fatejudger> LjL: is there somewhere you have to make the request?
[11:01] <am> never have to do that before
[11:01] <fatejudger> am: then wait a few minutes
[11:01] <fatejudger> am: apt has to register the changes or something
[11:01] <LjL> fatejudger: yes, go to ubuntuforums.org and follow the "Backports" forum, you'll find a specific sub-forum for backports requests
[11:01] <am> oh ok
[11:01] <bl3ssing> as about me ... I'm ok. Installing my video codecs through Adept. ... Thanks for asking. Has anybody asked me ... anything about how I'm doing? :-))
[11:02] <fatejudger> LjL: ok, I'll remember to do that when 0.10 comes out
[11:03] <mayer> how to install the kernel-sources ?
[11:04] <LjL> sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.12
[11:04] <wtfzorz> I removed i386 kernel and installed k7. How can I remove i386 from grub
[11:04] <LjL> wtfzorz: it was removed automatically when uninstalling i386 for me
[11:05] <LjL> wtfzorz: but anyway, you may *carefully* edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:06] <libben> Mitja: will that screw something up with grub and my linux priority?
[11:07] <wtfzorz> do i need to do anything like w/ lilo
[11:07] <mayer> LjL: iam trying to install the Nforce 3 drivers for linux. when i download and run the binary, he fails and says i need the kernel-source. What is to do now ?
[11:07] <Mitja> libben: it might, I can't give you any warranty
[11:07] <LjL> wtfzorz: you mean running grub, like you used to run "lilo" after changing the config? if that's what you mean, then the answer is no
[11:07] <wtfzorz> great
[11:07] <libben> but then i just boot with livecd? =)
[11:07] <Mitja> libben: probably you won't see grub or anymore after that
[11:07] <Mitja> *or lilo
[11:08] <LjL> mayer: i haven't the slightest idea, but installing linux-source-2.6.12 would probably be the most reasonable thing to try
[11:08] <libben> yeah, but that i wont wanna do...
[11:08] <libben> i just wanna be able to boot my xp again
[11:08] <mayer> LjL: it didnt work
[11:08] <wtfzorz> i forgot. is the fgl driver for ati in adept ati's or something else
[11:08] <mayer> LjL:  how to get my current kernel version ?
[11:08] <LjL> mayer: "uname -r"
[11:08] <Mitja> libben: somehow reconfigure grub for it to be able to see windows installation
[11:09] <Mitja> libben: it will add it to the list
[11:09] <LjL> mayer: you could try installing the kernel header... "apt-cache search linux-headers"
[11:09] <mayer> LjL: No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; this means that the installer will need to compile a new kernel interface.
[11:09] <mayer> LjL: what could that mean ?
[11:09] <Mitja> libben: or forget it, the thing you mentioned is windows thing, not grub's
[11:10] <LjL> mayer: look, i've never installed that driver, so i'm just guessing... but that doesn't sound like an error, rather something that's normal
[11:10] <mayer> yes
[11:10] <mayer> but then
[11:10] <mayer> Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel.  Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files
[11:10] <mayer>          for your kernel; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the 'kernel-source' rpm installed.  If you know the correct
[11:10] <mayer>          kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the '--kernel-source-path' commandline option.
[11:10] <mayer> LjL:  SORRY
[11:11] <mayer> SORRY
[11:11] <libben> Mitja: ?
[11:11] <libben> so what do i do?
[11:11] <mayer> i didnt want to do that, iam sorry guys
[11:12] <LjL> mayer: hmm, after installing linux-source, you should have a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2
[11:12] <LjL> mayer: you must bunzip2 and untar that file, to actually get the sources installed
[11:13] <LjL> mayer: cd /usr/src; tar jxf linux-source-2.6.12.tar.bz2
[11:14] <mayer> LjL: wow..what a help. Thank you very much
[11:14] <Mitja> libben: find out if you can reinstall grub after you fix windows loader
[11:14] <mayer> LjL: didnt helped
[11:16] <mayer> test
[11:17] <mymayer> LjL: can i pm you for pasting to i think important lines ?
[11:18] <LjL> mymayer: yes, but why not just use the pastebin... or, another alternative is to use the channel #flood
[11:19] <Aaden> anyone know if kubuntu will work correctly w/ ati cards
[11:19] <LjL> mymayer: but, really, i don't think i can be of much help with installing that specific driver...
[11:19] <LjL> Aaden: they say nvidia usually work better, but, yes
[11:19] <LjL> !tell aaden about ati
[11:20] <Aaden> thank you
[11:20] <Aaden> but get this
[11:21] <LjL> ?
[11:21] <Aaden> w/ my ati card when i have it installed and i install breezy it just freezes me at a black screen when it trys to boot up
[11:21] <Aaden> if i take it out
[11:21] <Aaden> reinstall
[11:21] <Aaden> it works fine 
[11:21] <Aaden> =\
[11:22] <LjL> hm you'd have to ask to someone else, i have neither an ati nor an nvidia, and know almost zilch about graphics cards...
[11:22] <Aaden> oh darn..
[11:22] <LjL> you could try in #ubuntu as well
[11:22] <Aaden> ehhh
[11:23] <LjL> yeah, i know
[11:25] <Aaden> geez this is really making my day
[11:27] <am>  GPG error: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[11:27] <am> hi guys, still getting these
[11:27] <am> any ideas?
[11:27] <am> removed ~.gpg 
[11:28] <am> etc..
[11:28] <am> ran apt-get update
[11:28] <LjL> perhaps try with another mirror? maybe the french one is having problems
[11:28] <robotgeek> !gpgERR
[11:28] <ubotu> well, gpgerr is a GPG-related error that sometimes occur when accessing the Ubuntu archives; it can usually be solved by typing "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*" (without the quotes!) in a terminal
[11:29] <LjL> robotgeek: been through that
[11:29] <am> robotgeek: yeh done that already thanks
[11:29] <robotgeek> heh,sorry
[11:29] <am> anyone got a european mirror they know is workign ?
[11:29] <LjL> it.
[11:29] <LjL> is working for me
[11:30] <am> hmm
[11:30] <am> i'm running PPC could that make a difference ?
[11:30] <LjL> just change all your "fr." into "it." in /etc/sources.list to use it
[11:30] <LjL> no idea honestly
[11:32] <wtfzorz> how can I change icon size
[11:32] <am> Err ftp://it.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release.gpg
[11:32] <am>   PASS failed, server said: Login incorrect.
[11:32] <LjL> ftp?
[11:32] <goldino> hi all
[11:32] <LjL> no, use gttp mirrors, am
[11:33] <LjL> s/gttp/http/
[11:34] <am> LjL: YAY!! it works
[11:34] <am> silly french :P
[11:34] <wtfzorz> these icons r huge
[11:34] <am> too busy rioting to maintain their servers
[11:35] <dubettier> hi, is it possible to save my config on usb disk or hard disk when I use kubuntu livecd
[11:35] <ninHer> hi all
[11:35] <LjL> am: ;-)
[11:35] <LjL> am: but you should try french *http* mirrors anyway, if they're faster for you... just don't use ftp
[11:36] <libben> LjL: libben: no there is a better way. use a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu live and mount ur partitions, chroot them, then grub-install again to fix ur mbr and install the bootloader
[11:36] <libben> i got that message from ubuntu
[11:36] <libben> anyone in here wanna help me when i boot with livecd?
[11:36] <am> LjL: cheers
[11:40] <mymayer> which is the best way to mount a partition of my debian server ? using NFS or smb ?
[11:40] <dubettier> I want to save my  personnal data somewhere (on a usb key for example), when using kubuntu livecd. Is it possible ?
[11:40] <darkrad> hello
[11:40] <darkrad> anybody help me with mysql ?
[11:40] <darkrad> need to install it
[11:41] <darkrad> how should i get version 5.0 installed?
[11:41] <darkrad> can i use apt-get?
[11:41] <fatejudger> darkrad: probably
[11:41] <thompa> is anybody using encryption stuff in kmail, know how to set it up?
[11:41] <CarstenP> darkrad: i would try it
[11:41] <CarstenP> darkrad: perhaps you could use adept?
[11:41] <darkrad> i added dotdeb repository source
[11:41] <darkrad> adept?
[11:42] <CarstenP> under system ? the packet manager?
[11:42] <darkrad> kynaptic
[11:42] <fatejudger> darkrad: do you use Hoary?
[11:42] <darkrad> ya
[11:43] <fatejudger> darkrad: you should probably dist-upgrade
[11:43] <darkrad> hmm
[11:43] <darkrad> something that can be done auto?
[11:43] <fatejudger> yes
[11:43] <darkrad> how?
[11:44] <fatejudger> !tell darkrad about Breezy
[11:51] <darkrad> hmm
[11:52] <darkrad> so if i don'0t have synaptics i can't use the pack manager?
[11:52] <darkrad> i have kynaptics
[11:52] <Riddell> kynaptic in hoary, adept in breezy
[11:53] <darkrad> ya, talking about the breezy upgrade guide
[11:53] <Riddell> use kynaptic
[11:53] <darkrad> Open up Synaptic Package Manager 
[11:53] <darkrad>  Change your repositories to look for Breezy
[11:53] <Riddell> although it doesn't have a sources.list editor so you'll need to do that by hand or with synaptic
[11:53] <darkrad> how to do that?
[11:54] <osh> darkrad: I did the upgrade dance. Worked like a charm for me. Basically I just replaced the word hoary with the word breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list and typed "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade"
[11:54] <kkathman> darkrad: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[11:54] <kkathman> thats all you need to know actually
[11:58] <darkrad> ok, doing
[11:58] <cl3> hello all..  how do I change the sound card in kubuntu?
[11:59] <Mars^> Hi
[11:59] <Mars^> I have a little problem
[11:59] <Mars^> Cause i have AMD athlon 64 2800+ processor
[12:00] <mymayer> which is the best/fastes way to mount a partition of my debian server? NFS or smb or smth other? This mount should be like a "real" partition on my desktop machine..
[12:00] <mymayer> Mars^: is kubuntu freezing ?
[12:01] <cl3> is there a way to chg my sound card mod - the nm256 mod is not working?
[12:01] <cl3> its an old tp390 laptop
[12:02] <cl3> I had vector linux on it and the sound worked with a CS4232 mod..