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| jsgotangco | mmm? | 12:17 |
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| jsgotangco | ROCK? | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | that doesn't sound so mdke | 12:17 |
| mdke | elol | 12:20 |
| mdke | lolol | 12:20 |
| mdke | damn keyboard | 12:20 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 12:21 |
| mdke | hello jsgotangco | 12:21 |
| mdke | hey good time to arrive | 12:21 |
| mdke | check out my about ubuntu | 12:21 |
| mdke | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | its only 7:21am | 12:22 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:22 |
| === jsgotangco checking it out now | ||
| jsgotangco | wow that's pretty mad css going | 12:22 |
| mdke | hardly ;) | 12:22 |
| mdke | i copied the background from the old hoary one, and the fonts and stuff is all classic ubuntu fonts | 12:22 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 12:23 |
| mdke | just need to get rid of that double line at the top | 12:23 |
| mdke | it is added by the stylesheet i suppose | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | i havent been updating my svn i hvae been studying henrik's opencd with the moin based browser thing | 12:23 |
| mdke | ? | 12:23 |
| mdke | he said there was a new version out, what is new? | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | updated apps | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | desktop moin | 12:24 |
| mdke | lol | 12:24 |
| mdke | nice one | 12:24 |
| mdke | have you been working on it? | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | the next orchard will have full moin | 12:25 |
| mdke | orchard? | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | its the build system | 12:25 |
| mdke | i didn't know you worked on theopencd | 12:25 |
| mdke | cool | 12:25 |
| jsgotangco | not that much, just contributing bits of stuff | 12:25 |
| mdke | tell me more! | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | http://wiki.theopencd.org/MoinBasedBrowser | 12:26 |
| mdke | hehe | 12:27 |
| mdke | henrik is obsessed with moin :) | 12:27 |
| mdke | in a good way | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin, ping? | 12:28 |
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| jsgotangco | there's no 24UTC right? | 12:28 |
| mdke | no, not to my knowledge | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | that would be 00 the next day | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin, i don't think there's a 24UTC | 12:29 |
| mdke | is that a docteam meeting? | 12:30 |
| === mdke looks | ||
| jsgotangco | no a private one =) | 12:31 |
| mdke | oh i c | 12:31 |
| mdke | for that book eh? | 12:31 |
| mdke | how's it going? | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | pretty good | 12:32 |
| mdke | how long left? | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | theres work in progress going.. | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | oh a bit longer | 12:33 |
| mdke | cool | 12:33 |
| mdke | it won't be open source will it? | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | ahh i haven't really gone through the licensing yet... | 12:33 |
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| mdke | cool | 12:34 |
| mdke | you never know ;) | 12:34 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, what time is the next docteam meeting? are we going to rotate them 14 -> 23? | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | i'd like to rotate it | 12:34 |
| mdke | i can't remember | 12:34 |
| mdke | what time did we rotate it to last time? | 12:34 |
| mdke | 22 or 23 i think | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | i belive i said we'll do the next one at 22 | 12:35 |
| mdke | awesome | 12:35 |
| === mdke updates | ||
| jsgotangco | at least that would be a saturday morning for me | 12:35 |
| mdke | 22 is good for me too | 12:36 |
| mdke | rob1, around? i don't think the desktopguide is building | 12:36 |
| mdke | rob1, http://pastebin.ca/31009 | 12:42 |
| Burgwork | mdke, about ubuntu is still too wordy, but the css is nice | 12:42 |
| mdke | Burgwork, i haven't changed the words, except to add the section on gnu | 12:42 |
| mdke | the words are sabdfl's | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | we'll change it soon, AboutUbuntu isn't that hard really | 12:43 |
| mdke | change what? | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | the text if needed | 12:43 |
| mdke | the words? | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | "if needed" | 12:44 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:44 |
| mdke | mark said that he likes them | 12:44 |
| mdke | i pointed him at BrowserDefaults today and he suggested that the words could stay the same | 12:44 |
| mdke | i think the doc should be shorter too fwiw | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | it shouldn't scroll on a standard resolution | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | well not standard, but the majority resolution | 12:46 |
| mdke | i dunno about that | 12:46 |
| mdke | the ubuntu website scrolls | 12:46 |
| mdke | but shorter sections would be good | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | there must be a way to make this look more interesting.. | 12:47 |
| mdke | something I really want to figure out how to do is how to include the Ubuntu top bar on all our docs | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | use a kde stylesheet haha | 12:48 |
| mdke | that doesn't do it either ;) | 12:48 |
| mdke | http://kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ | 12:48 |
| mdke | but it must be really easy | 12:49 |
| Burgwork | mark is on crack, to be honest | 12:49 |
| Burgwork | start.ubuntu.com is going to take the words away, finally | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | its a very good toolchain | 12:49 |
| mdke | Burgwork, will start.ubuntu.com be both online and offline, depending on whether the user has internet access? | 12:49 |
| Burgwork | no idea | 12:50 |
| mdke | also, don't forget that the spec isn't approved | 12:50 |
| Burgwork | the most likely usecase is that someone opens a browser to go on the web | 12:50 |
| Burgwork | if they have browser open offline, they either have a local apache install or have opening an html file from nautilus | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | in either case, it doesn't really matter | 12:51 |
| mdke | i agree with that. | 12:51 |
| mdke | but a lot of people don't | 12:51 |
| Burgwork | I think the number of people who open a browser before they have internet access is vanishingly small | 12:52 |
| Burgwork | a thus you must satisfy the 95%, who don;t want a giant block of text as their homepage | 12:52 |
| mdke | well i hope that about ubuntu is useful to at least some people | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | we should keep the document | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | just don;t have it is the default homepage | 12:53 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | what are we gonna do with the document though? | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | it can be linked off of start | 12:54 |
| Burgwork | and we can ship it | 12:55 |
| mdke | it looks crap in yelp tho | 12:55 |
| mdke | best just to move it to the website and be done with it :D | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | probably | 12:55 |
| mdke | oh well | 12:55 |
| Burgwork | then it probably should be at www.ubuntu.com/about | 12:56 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | currently that stuff is at /ubuntu | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | can you ping hendrik about that? | 12:56 |
| mdke | what, to change the url? | 12:56 |
| Burgwork | yes | 12:56 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:57 |
| mdke | we'll have to put some redirects in | 12:57 |
| Burgwork | oh, and www.ubuntu.com, the upper left, the graphic is corrupted | 12:57 |
| Burgwork | but on the wiki | 12:57 |
| Burgwork | but not | 12:57 |
| mdke | corrupted how? | 12:57 |
| mdke | looks the same here | 12:58 |
| mdke | have you seen the moin version of the site? | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntulinuxforhumanb.png | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | oh | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | should I file a bug about this | 12:58 |
| mdke | where is the corruption? | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | look above the tabs | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | see the streaking? | 12:59 |
| mdke | _above_ yes | 01:00 |
| mdke | argh | 01:00 |
| mdke | i mean yes | 01:00 |
| mdke | Burgwork, that is upper right :) | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | oh | 01:00 |
| mdke | interesting, i don't get it in firefox | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 01:00 |
| Burgwork | I did that yesterday with my brother | 01:00 |
| mdke | Burgwork, if you don't see it here, probably forget about it and wait for the new site | 01:01 |
| mdke | http://69.60.114.106/ | 01:01 |
| Burgwork | I see it there, but not as bad | 01:02 |
| mdke | then file it i guess | 01:02 |
| Burgwork | I just pinged hendrik | 01:02 |
| mdke | he's not online | 01:02 |
| Burgwork | by email | 01:03 |
| mdke | aha | 01:03 |
| mdke | that'll do the trick | 01:03 |
| Burgwork | just found one more thing | 01:03 |
| Burgwork | the favico needs to be transparent | 01:03 |
| mdke | yeah that would be nice | 01:03 |
| Burgwork | the fonts don't look as good in the moin version | 01:04 |
| Burgwork | they are too small | 01:04 |
| mdke | i think it is the line spacing | 01:04 |
| Burgwork | looks at the tabs | 01:04 |
| Burgwork | the words are much smaller their | 01:05 |
| Burgwork | s/their/there | 01:05 |
| mdke | 1.25 as apposed to 1.5 line spacing | 01:05 |
| mdke | yeah that was intentional | 01:05 |
| Burgwork | ugh | 01:05 |
| Burgwork | that makes them harder to read | 01:05 |
| mdke | the tabs? | 01:05 |
| mdke | i preferred em bigger too | 01:05 |
| Burgwork | we need less words and more space on the website | 01:06 |
| mdke | refresh | 01:07 |
| mdke | that's about the same as ubuntu.com i think | 01:08 |
| mdke | Burgwork | 01:10 |
| Burgwork | yup? | 01:13 |
| mdke | you see the difference? | 01:14 |
| mdke | that is 1.5 spacing rather than 1.25 | 01:14 |
| Burgwork | yes I do | 01:14 |
| Burgwork | anything that decreases space is a bad thing | 01:14 |
| mdke | ok changing back now, i've mailed henrik to suggest increasing space | 01:15 |
| Burgwork | do you have full control over that moin install? | 01:15 |
| mdke | well... | 01:15 |
| mdke | i have admin rights on that server | 01:15 |
| mdke | the amount of control is limited by the fact that I don't know what I'm doing that well | 01:16 |
| mdke | i'm no moin expert | 01:16 |
| Burgwork | ah | 01:16 |
| === Burgwork wants to go to town on the number of words on the main page | ||
| mdke | lol | 01:17 |
| mdke | don't do that | 01:17 |
| mdke | but you have a good point | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | ah yes | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff&rev2=135&rev1=134 | 01:18 |
| Burgwork | guess who made that edit ;) | 01:18 |
| mdke | lots of words really are just an excuse for not bothering to structure the site carefully | 01:18 |
| mdke | you? | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | or somebody being paid by the black pixel | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | yep | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | those two paragraphs could be said in one | 01:19 |
| mdke | heh | 01:19 |
| mdke | good edit | 01:19 |
| Burgwork | if the person was interested in more, they can google the topic | 01:19 |
| mdke | although, perhaps the word "patent" wouldn't go amiss | 01:20 |
| mdke | or a link to a page which explains what free means | 01:20 |
| mdke | oh, you've done that :) | 01:20 |
| mdke | awesome | 01:20 |
| Burgwork | actually, RestrictedFormats is quite sane right now | 01:21 |
| Burgwork | and quite well formatted | 01:21 |
| Burgwork | I just needed to tweak it now | 01:21 |
| Burgwork | hmm, I make a great deal of sense right now | 01:21 |
| mdke | :) | 01:22 |
| mdke | yeah, no other linux distros have so many words on their websites | 01:23 |
| mdke | well gentoo probably does, but it's all news | 01:23 |
| Burgwork | gentoo is in the middle of redesigning the website | 01:25 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: I got the packaging guide to open in yelp | 07:23 |
| mdke | LaserJock, cool! | 07:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock, wanna send a patch? | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, in a bit. I am still trying to clean it up a bit. | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | gotta get lunch, I'll be back in an hr or so | 08:19 |
| === Burgwork wonders whether he should approve mako to be a member of the doc team | ||
| mdke | don't see why not | 08:30 |
| mdke | although that team will eventually govern commit access so we should probably limit it to contributors | 08:30 |
| mdke | Burgwork, ask him why he applied | 08:30 |
| Burgwork | I approved him | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | I don't harm in letting him have commit access | 08:34 |
| mdke | no, this is a good point | 08:34 |
| Burgwork | lets just say he is not an unknown | 08:34 |
| mdke | he applied recently? odd, hopefully he is thinking of doing some doc work :) | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | he applied today | 08:35 |
| Burgwork | Benjamin Mako Hill 2005-11-25 Approved | 08:36 |
| mdke | cool | 08:36 |
| Burgwork | what about having the wiki team as part fo the doc team | 08:37 |
| mdke | it is already I thought | 08:37 |
| mdke | i dunno if that would screw around with commit access | 08:37 |
| Burgwork | can we make it so that only people who are actually members and not members through another gropu have access? | 08:37 |
| mdke | not sure | 08:38 |
| mdke | they haven't sorted out the commit access thing anyway | 08:38 |
| mdke | they are working on it for bzr... but i don't think it's finished | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | I was chatting with SteveA, he said that fine grained access control was coming | 08:38 |
| mdke | yeah, but bzr only I think | 08:38 |
| mdke | i spoke to spiv last night about it | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | they are looking to make the auth mechanism quite plugable | 08:38 |
| mdke | anyhow we can think about bzr soon anyway | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | yes | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | I like dapper+1 myself | 08:39 |
| Burgwork | even now is too late into the cycle to really switch | 08:39 |
| mdke | assuming it will work for us, dapper+1 is fine by me | 08:39 |
| === apokryphos sees http://doc.gwos.org and wonders why there's another duplication of effort :D | ||
| mdke | i'm not convinced, and spiv kinda confirmed this, that we need a decentralised version control system | 08:40 |
| mdke | but apparently they are working on a centralised thing for bzr anyway | 08:40 |
| Burgwork | cvs mode | 08:40 |
| mdke | apokryphos, yeah, we've had quite a lot of discussion with that group | 08:40 |
| mdke | Burgwork, http://bazaar.canonical.com/LockStepDevelopment | 08:40 |
| Burgwork | hmm | 08:41 |
| Burgwork | I realized why moin pisses me off so much | 08:41 |
| apokryphos | mdke: what's the deal with it? Are they archiving stuff or just on another whole project? Seems like there already is (i) a doc team; (ii) a wiki | 08:41 |
| Burgwork | 1) It assumes content is more important that presentation | 08:41 |
| Burgwork | 2)It assumes that the editors have other means of communicating | 08:41 |
| Burgwork | Mediawiki assumes neither of these things | 08:41 |
| mdke | apokryphos, start about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81666&page=3 | 08:42 |
| apokryphos | thanks | 08:43 |
| mdke | apokryphos, about post 25 (me) | 08:43 |
| mdke | then go over the page | 08:43 |
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| apokryphos | arggh | 08:47 |
| apokryphos | really don't like to generalize here, but linux+forums ends up always aggrevating me :/ | 08:47 |
| mdke | i used to love the gentoo forums | 08:47 |
| mdke | whenever I post in ubuntuforums, I always find myself struggling to make peace and promote discussion | 08:47 |
| apokryphos | precisely. I stepped in the other day to say that constructive criticism and patches for programs are good, and I got called a "moron" and a troll. Gah. | 08:48 |
| mdke | that doc.gwos thing is such a shame, because so much great effort goes into it which could go into the wiki | 08:48 |
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| dholbach | hi | 08:49 |
| apokryphos | 'zactly; we should be able to reason through things like that -- it's made too difficult | 08:49 |
| mdke | apokryphos, i spent a lot of hours on it, not just in that forum thread but also on irc and by email, no good | 08:49 |
| mdke | dholbach, hi | 08:49 |
| apokryphos | I guess when people don't want to reason, they simply won't. | 08:50 |
| dholbach | mdke: did we agree on 5.11-1 as a version number? | 08:51 |
| mdke | dholbach, no, but that is fine by me | 08:51 |
| dholbach | mdke: or maybe better 5.11.1, 5.11.2, 5.11.3 | 08:52 |
| dholbach | hmmm | 08:52 |
| mdke | dholbach, whichever you prefer | 08:52 |
| dholbach | :) | 08:52 |
| apokryphos | 5.11.1! | 08:52 |
| apokryphos | damn those hyphens :-O | 08:52 |
| dholbach | 5.11.1-1 :) | 08:52 |
| mdke | heh | 08:52 |
| mdke | dholbach, so in terms of building docs, all that is necessary should be "make gdeb" in the ubuntu directory | 08:53 |
| dholbach | i do debuild | 08:53 |
| dholbach | which i do in every other package too | 08:53 |
| === mdke doesn't know how that works | ||
| mdke | what calls the "make gdeb"? | 08:54 |
| dholbach | if you have a look at debian/rules | 08:54 |
| dholbach | (that's the package makefile) | 08:54 |
| mdke | oh yeah | 08:54 |
| dholbach | an obfuscated version of it | 08:54 |
| mdke | cool | 08:55 |
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| mdke | hi there jjesse | 08:55 |
| jjesse | hello mdke | 08:56 |
| jjesse | just upgraded to kde3.5rc2 :) | 08:56 |
| jjesse | boy is it slow here at work today over 1/2 of the company is gone | 08:56 |
| mdke | holidays? | 08:56 |
| dholbach | you normally have build targets in packages like build, clean, binary, ... - but jbailey wrote large parts of cdbs (which is used in this package), which hide the internals of a package build system and make it easier | 08:56 |
| jjesse | mdke: yeah day after thanksgiving | 08:56 |
| mdke | dholbach, ah i see | 08:56 |
| mdke | jjesse, turkey leftovers eh | 08:57 |
| jjesse | mmm turkey :) | 08:57 |
| apokryphos | jjesse: try out kopete -- many advances 8) | 08:57 |
| mdke | dholbach, so did you svn up? | 08:57 |
| dholbach | svn export | 08:58 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: yeah? i'll have to check them out | 08:58 |
| apokryphos | smooth scrolling, full webcam support, other convenientisms, and other msn-messenger-type things (i.e. nudges etc( | 08:58 |
| mdke | dholbach, cool, how is it lookin? | 08:58 |
| dholbach | mdke: will build in a sec | 08:59 |
| mdke | :) | 08:59 |
| jjesse | apokryphos: it looks a lot cleaner | 09:02 |
| === apokryphos nods | ||
| dholbach | mdke: does this look cool to you? http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff.txt | 09:06 |
| dholbach | mdke: translations dropped, some pictures changed, serverguide added (to sum it up, if i didn't overlook anything) | 09:07 |
| dholbach | Version: [-5.10-6-] {+5.11-1+} | 09:07 |
| dholbach | Installed-Size: [-6360-] {+984+} | 09:07 |
| mdke | ooh hang on | 09:07 |
| dholbach | ^ this is just a bit worrying ;) | 09:07 |
| mdke | what is worrying? | 09:08 |
| dholbach | 6,3MB -> 984 KB | 09:08 |
| dholbach | ;)( | 09:08 |
| mdke | oh, that's just the translations | 09:08 |
| mdke | i need an image moving | 09:08 |
| dholbach | which one? | 09:08 |
| === dholbach hangs on | ||
| mdke | can you add this line to debian/install | 09:08 |
| mdke | ubuntu/images/C/ubuntuheader.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C | 09:09 |
| dholbach | should all the documents be registered? | 09:09 |
| mdke | i wanna check one more thing too | 09:09 |
| mdke | i don't understand these: | 09:10 |
| mdke | /usr/share/ubuntu/libs/cdo-C.ent | 09:10 |
| mdke | /usr/share/ubuntu/libs/global.ent | 09:10 |
| dholbach | they don't seem to get installed in the new package | 09:11 |
| dholbach | errrrr, they GET installed in the new package | 09:11 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:11 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:11 |
| dholbach | ls that wrong? | 09:11 |
| mdke | the last package had this: | 09:12 |
| mdke | libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu-docs/libs | 09:12 |
| mdke | libs/*ent usr/share/gnome/libs | 09:12 |
| mdke | gnome/libs/*ent usr/share/gnome/help/libs | 09:12 |
| mdke | gnome/libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/libs | 09:12 |
| mdke | dholbach, can I change the debian/install and insert those, then you go an svn up? | 09:13 |
| dholbach | hm, did i mess with this? | 09:13 |
| mdke | dunno | 09:13 |
| dholbach | gnome/libs -> ubuntu/libs, right? | 09:13 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:13 |
| mdke | and usr/share/ubuntu-docs/libs | 09:13 |
| dholbach | right | 09:13 |
| mdke | dholbach, are you gonna change it, or shall I? | 09:15 |
| dholbach | i change it in the package - you do in svn? | 09:15 |
| mdke | okay... you can't do svn up there? | 09:16 |
| dholbach | i don't think, i have an account | 09:16 |
| mdke | svn up just pulls the new changes | 09:17 |
| mdke | i'll commit and you can pull em? | 09:17 |
| dholbach | i'm clearly not as experienced with svn :) | 09:17 |
| dholbach | i changed it here already | 09:17 |
| dholbach | i will install the package and see how it works for me | 09:18 |
| mdke | hang on again :) | 09:18 |
| mdke | i actually don't see any difference between the debian/install in our trunk and the one in branches/breezy, so I don't understand why those two extra files are there | 09:19 |
| dholbach | you created/moved those .ent files afterwards? | 09:20 |
| dholbach | and they got in because of the '*'? | 09:20 |
| mdke | but why are they in a strange place? | 09:20 |
| mdke | /usr/share/ubuntu/libs | 09:21 |
| mdke | oh i see it | 09:21 |
| mdke | perhaps we can just remove that line | 09:21 |
| mdke | libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu/libs | 09:21 |
| dholbach | ubuntu/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C | 09:22 |
| dholbach | ubuntu/images/C/IconUbuntu.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C | 09:22 |
| dholbach | seem to be typos too | 09:22 |
| dholbach | must have been, early in the morning | 09:22 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:22 |
| mdke | it's because you/me changed gnome to ubuntu | 09:23 |
| mdke | it should have remained "gnome" i think | 09:23 |
| dholbach | right, what about that other stuff going to usr/share/gnome/... | 09:23 |
| mdke | i think the "Files in first .deb but not in second" are fine | 09:24 |
| dholbach | cool | 09:25 |
| dholbach | that makes me happy | 09:25 |
| mdke | with the exception | 09:25 |
| dholbach | and brings christmas a bit closer :) | 09:25 |
| mdke | of those two images you pointed out, and *ent | 09:25 |
| dholbach | right, let's see how they look after the next build | 09:25 |
| mdke | cool | 09:25 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff3.txt | 09:30 |
| mdke | lookin | 09:30 |
| dholbach | sitll one /ubuntu/ item | 09:30 |
| dholbach | found it | 09:31 |
| mdke | i think that those ents and the pngs should be in the same place as for the breezy package | 09:31 |
| mdke | perhaps they are... it's difficult to see from the diff | 09:32 |
| mdke | we should have /usr/share/gnome/help/images/C/IconUbuntu.png | 09:32 |
| dholbach | if you have the normal package installed, it should be all in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-docs.list | 09:32 |
| mdke | /usr/share/gnome/help/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png | 09:32 |
| mdke | in our package as well | 09:32 |
| dholbach | or you can run dpkg -c on the deb | 09:32 |
| dholbach | hrm, they're in ubuntu-docs/... | 09:34 |
| dholbach | one of them is symlinked though | 09:34 |
| mdke | hmm | 09:34 |
| === dholbach links the other one too | ||
| mdke | we just need to preserve the situation from breezy for those | 09:34 |
| mdke | everything *ent and *png should be in the same place | 09:36 |
| dholbach | why were they linked before? | 09:36 |
| mdke | i think we need them both in /usr/share/gnome/help (for about ubuntu) and /usr/share/ubuntu-docs for the other documents | 09:37 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:37 |
| dholbach | that's what i just did | 09:37 |
| dholbach | for both .png | 09:37 |
| mdke | great | 09:37 |
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| dholbach | ok, looks MUCH better now | 09:43 |
| dholbach | http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff4.txt | 09:43 |
| dholbach | "Files in first .deb but not in second" now contains the .omf and .xml (which should be translated) and quicktour png files | 09:44 |
| === mdke is starting to lose track :) | ||
| mdke | afaics looks good | 09:46 |
| dholbach | sorry | 09:46 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:46 |
| dholbach | now i get cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/quicktour/C/.dhelp': File not found | 09:47 |
| mdke | we can iron out any minor troubles, I think it is all good | 09:47 |
| === dholbach will track it down | ||
| mdke | the quicktour shouldn't be in there | 09:47 |
| dholbach | yep | 09:47 |
| dholbach | i drop debian/ubuntu-docs.doc-base.quicktour | 09:48 |
| mdke | sounds good | 09:49 |
| dholbach | now lintian complains about a too long extended description - that's in debian/control | 09:54 |
| dholbach | i will trim it a bit | 09:54 |
| dholbach | but that's rather silly :) | 09:54 |
| dholbach | oh yes... those should be just 80 chars | 09:54 |
| dholbach | per line | 09:54 |
| mdke | ok, cool | 09:55 |
| dholbach | i know it's fascistic, but anyway, i'll change it | 09:55 |
| mdke | sure | 09:55 |
| dholbach | and we'll have NEW docs soon! WOW! :) | 09:55 |
| === dholbach can't believe it :) | ||
| jjesse | wahooo!!! | 09:56 |
| jjesse | :) | 09:56 |
| mdke | this is exciting | 09:56 |
| mdke | dholbach, send me a diff of what you've changed and I'll apply it to our trunk | 09:56 |
| mdke | but we need to get you commit access | 09:56 |
| dholbach | you don't want me to :-p | 09:56 |
| dholbach | next time i test this, i won't do it on my laptop ... the disk is so effing slow | 09:57 |
| dholbach | it installs and it doesnt explode | 10:00 |
| dholbach | WOW | 10:00 |
| dholbach | let's have a look, where i can see all this funky documentation | 10:00 |
| mdke | in yelp | 10:00 |
| mdke | also, firefox homepage should be a bit prettier | 10:00 |
| dholbach | file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ? | 10:02 |
| mdke | think so yeah | 10:03 |
| dholbach | hrm, it should normally show some pictures or something, no? | 10:03 |
| mdke | just the logo | 10:03 |
| dholbach | it doesnt show anything now | 10:03 |
| dholbach | and yelp is broken in dapper | 10:03 |
| dholbach | YAY | 10:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:03 |
| mdke | cool | 10:03 |
| dholbach | doesnt show pictures i mean | 10:04 |
| mdke | ok | 10:04 |
| mdke | on breezy, the logo is in file:///usr/share/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png | 10:04 |
| dholbach | ok, here's what i will do now: i will upload the .deb package to my place, send you the diff | 10:04 |
| mdke | the new one should be file:///usr/share/images/C/ubuntuheader.png | 10:04 |
| dholbach | i hope we'll get yelp sorted out again | 10:04 |
| mdke | hope so | 10:04 |
| mdke | but yelp is pretty shit for our documentation anyway | 10:04 |
| dholbach | trying (in vain) to upload a package to the archive now, is probably not the best thing to do :) | 10:05 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:05 |
| dholbach | you want to have it uploaded? | 10:05 |
| mdke | no, that's cool | 10:05 |
| mdke | as long as our svn is up to date | 10:06 |
| mdke | we can upload whenever | 10:06 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:06 |
| dholbach | cool | 10:06 |
| dholbach | i don't mind, if we upload a package and an image is missing | 10:06 |
| mdke | me neither | 10:06 |
| mdke | but I can fix that quickly | 10:06 |
| dholbach | but if i can't have a look with yelp, that's something different ;) | 10:06 |
| mdke | so yelp breaking is not our fault? | 10:07 |
| mdke | it was already broken? | 10:07 |
| dholbach | yes | 10:07 |
| dholbach | because of the new firefox in dapper | 10:07 |
| mdke | ahh | 10:07 |
| mdke | fine | 10:07 |
| dholbach | yelp relies on firefox for the rendering | 10:07 |
| dholbach | yeah, great! :) | 10:07 |
| mdke | well I'm sure that will be fixed quickly | 10:07 |
| mdke | send me the patch, then I'll fix the image thing, and we can upload once yelp is fixed | 10:08 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot | 10:09 |
| mdke | or before, if you like | 10:09 |
| dholbach | i will try looking at the package tomorrow with a breezy-livecd :) | 10:10 |
| mdke | rock | 10:10 |
| dholbach | i messed up the build dir and the .deb is just 140K big now | 10:20 |
| dholbach | i will have to investigate | 10:21 |
| dholbach | but i think i won't do that now, but just get out and have a beer somewhere :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | sorry to disappoint you there, but i'll mail you | 10:22 |
| dholbach | i'm just a bit tired today | 10:22 |
| mdke | dholbach, np | 10:35 |
| dholbach | have a nice weekend guys :) | 10:35 |
| === dholbach hugs mdke | ||
| === dholbach hugs everybody else | ||
| mdke | see ya :) | 10:36 |
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| rob1 | wow.. full house today | 11:39 |
| rob1 | theres only like 4 people away | 11:39 |
| mdke | yo | 11:40 |
| rob1 | hi mdke | 11:40 |
| mdke | rob1, i meant to ask you, do you know why the internal links don't work in the desktopguide xml? | 11:40 |
| mdke | that olink stuff, is it just for the html? | 11:41 |
| rob1 | the olink stuff is for olinks within the document | 11:41 |
| rob1 | I haven't done them yet (they are still all xrefs) | 11:41 |
| rob1 | but they still should be working | 11:41 |
| rob1 | at least they do here when I build html using the /ubuntu Makefiles | 11:42 |
| mdke | rob1, can you try opening the xml in yelp | 11:42 |
| mdke | ? | 11:42 |
| rob1 | they work for me there too | 11:42 |
| rob1 | hang on | 11:42 |
| rob1 | yep the xrefs are working in yelp for me | 11:43 |
| rob1 | well, they are forwarding to the right page | 11:44 |
| rob1 | the olinks will forward to the exact link | 11:44 |
| mdke | hmm | 11:44 |
| rob1 | thats why we have the db files, the olinks use them to find where the link is | 11:45 |
| mdke | dunno why I couldn't get them to work | 11:45 |
| mdke | rob1, anyhow, what files apart from xml need to go in the package? | 11:45 |
| rob1 | well all the xml files including olinkdb.xml, plus the db directory (and you need to run the make file at least once to create the .db files) | 11:46 |
| mdke | gosh | 11:47 |
| rob1 | and sample | 11:47 |
| mdke | ok | 11:47 |
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