[12:17] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> ROCK?
[12:17] <jsgotangco> that doesn't sound so mdke 
[12:20] <mdke> elol
[12:20] <mdke> lolol
[12:20] <mdke> damn keyboard
[12:21] <jsgotangco> :P
[12:21] <mdke> hello jsgotangco 
[12:21] <mdke> hey good time to arrive
[12:21] <mdke> check out my about ubuntu
[12:21] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[12:22] <jsgotangco> its only 7:21am
[12:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:22] <jsgotangco> wow that's pretty mad css going
[12:22] <mdke> hardly ;)
[12:22] <mdke> i copied the background from the old hoary one, and the fonts and stuff is all classic ubuntu fonts
[12:23] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[12:23] <mdke> just need to get rid of that double line at the top
[12:23] <mdke> it is added by the stylesheet i suppose
[12:23] <jsgotangco> i havent been updating my svn i hvae been studying henrik's opencd with the moin based browser thing
[12:23] <mdke> ?
[12:24] <mdke> he said there was a new version out, what is new?
[12:24] <jsgotangco> updated apps
[12:24] <jsgotangco> desktop moin
[12:24] <mdke> lol
[12:24] <mdke> nice one
[12:24] <mdke> have you been working on it?
[12:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:25] <jsgotangco> the next orchard will have full moin
[12:25] <mdke> orchard?
[12:25] <jsgotangco> its the build system
[12:25] <mdke> i didn't know you worked on theopencd
[12:25] <mdke> cool
[12:25] <jsgotangco> not that much, just contributing bits of stuff 
[12:26] <mdke> tell me more!
[12:26] <jsgotangco> http://wiki.theopencd.org/MoinBasedBrowser
[12:27] <mdke> hehe
[12:27] <mdke> henrik is obsessed with moin :)
[12:27] <mdke> in a good way
[12:28] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, ping?
[12:28] <jsgotangco> there's no 24UTC right?
[12:29] <mdke> no, not to my knowledge
[12:29] <jsgotangco> that would be 00 the next day
[12:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:29] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, i don't think there's a 24UTC
[12:30] <mdke> is that a docteam meeting?
[12:31] <jsgotangco> no a private one =)
[12:31] <mdke> oh i c
[12:31] <mdke> for that book eh?
[12:32] <mdke> how's it going?
[12:32] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[12:33] <mdke> how long left?
[12:33] <jsgotangco> theres work in progress going..
[12:33] <jsgotangco> oh a bit longer
[12:33] <mdke> cool
[12:33] <mdke> it won't be open source will it?
[12:33] <jsgotangco> ahh i haven't really gone through the licensing yet...
[12:34] <mdke> cool
[12:34] <mdke> you never know ;)
[12:34] <mdke> jsgotangco, what time is the next docteam meeting? are we going to rotate them 14 -> 23?
[12:34] <jsgotangco> i'd like to rotate it
[12:34] <mdke> i can't remember
[12:34] <mdke> what time did we rotate it to last time?
[12:35] <mdke> 22 or 23 i think
[12:35] <jsgotangco> i belive i said we'll do the next one at 22
[12:35] <mdke> awesome
[12:35] <jsgotangco> at least that would be a saturday morning for me
[12:36] <mdke> 22 is good for me too
[12:36] <mdke> rob1, around? i don't think the desktopguide is building
[12:42] <mdke> rob1, http://pastebin.ca/31009
[12:42] <Burgwork> mdke, about ubuntu is still too wordy, but the css is nice
[12:42] <mdke> Burgwork, i haven't changed the words, except to add the section on gnu
[12:43] <mdke> the words are sabdfl's
[12:43] <jsgotangco> we'll change it soon, AboutUbuntu isn't that hard really
[12:43] <mdke> change what?
[12:43] <jsgotangco> the text if needed
[12:43] <mdke> the words?
[12:44] <jsgotangco> "if needed"
[12:44] <mdke> yeah
[12:44] <mdke> mark said that he likes them
[12:44] <mdke> i pointed him at BrowserDefaults today and he suggested that the words could stay the same
[12:45] <mdke> i think the doc should be shorter too fwiw
[12:45] <jsgotangco> it shouldn't scroll on a standard resolution
[12:46] <jsgotangco> well not standard, but the majority resolution
[12:46] <mdke> i dunno about that
[12:46] <mdke> the ubuntu website scrolls
[12:46] <mdke> but shorter sections would be good
[12:47] <jsgotangco> there must be a way to make this look more interesting..
[12:47] <mdke> something I really want to figure out how to do is how to include the Ubuntu top bar on all our docs
[12:48] <jsgotangco> use a kde stylesheet haha
[12:48] <mdke> that doesn't do it either ;)
[12:48] <mdke> http://kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/
[12:49] <mdke> but it must be really easy
[12:49] <Burgwork> mark is on crack, to be honest
[12:49] <Burgwork> start.ubuntu.com is going to take the words away, finally
[12:49] <jsgotangco> its a very good toolchain
[12:49] <mdke> Burgwork, will start.ubuntu.com be both online and offline, depending on whether the user has internet access?
[12:50] <Burgwork> no idea
[12:50] <mdke> also, don't forget that the spec isn't approved
[12:50] <Burgwork> the most likely usecase is that someone opens a browser to go on the web
[12:51] <Burgwork> if they have  browser open offline, they either have a local apache install or have opening an html file from nautilus
[12:51] <Burgwork> in either case, it doesn't really matter
[12:51] <mdke> i agree with that.
[12:51] <mdke> but a lot of people don't
[12:52] <Burgwork> I think the number of people who open a browser before they have internet access is vanishingly small
[12:52] <Burgwork> a thus you must satisfy the 95%, who don;t want a giant block of text as their homepage
[12:53] <mdke> well i hope that about ubuntu is useful to at least some people
[12:53] <Burgwork> we should keep the document
[12:53] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:53] <Burgwork> just don;t have it is the default homepage
[12:54] <mdke> what are we gonna do with the document though?
[12:54] <Burgwork> it can be linked off of start
[12:55] <Burgwork> and we can ship it
[12:55] <mdke> it looks crap in yelp tho
[12:55] <mdke> best just to move it to the website and be done with it :D
[12:55] <Burgwork> probably
[12:55] <mdke> oh well
[12:56] <Burgwork> then it probably should be at www.ubuntu.com/about
[12:56] <mdke> currently that stuff is at /ubuntu
[12:56] <Burgwork> can you ping hendrik about that?
[12:56] <mdke> what, to change the url?
[12:56] <Burgwork> yes
[12:57] <mdke> yeah
[12:57] <mdke> we'll have to put some redirects in
[12:57] <Burgwork> oh, and www.ubuntu.com, the upper left, the graphic is corrupted
[12:57] <Burgwork> but on the wiki
[12:57] <Burgwork> but not
[12:57] <mdke> corrupted how?
[12:58] <mdke> looks the same here
[12:58] <mdke> have you seen the moin version of the site?
[12:58] <Burgwork> http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotubuntulinuxforhumanb.png
[12:58] <Burgwork> oh
[12:58] <Burgwork> should I file a bug about this
[12:59] <mdke> where is the corruption?
[12:59] <Burgwork> look above the tabs
[12:59] <Burgwork> see the streaking?
[01:00] <mdke> _above_ yes
[01:00] <mdke> argh
[01:00] <mdke> i mean yes
[01:00] <mdke> Burgwork, that is upper right :)
[01:00] <Burgwork> oh
[01:00] <mdke> interesting, i don't get it in firefox
[01:00] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:00] <Burgwork> I did that yesterday with my brother
[01:01] <mdke> Burgwork, if you don't see it here, probably forget about it and wait for the new site
[01:01] <mdke> http://69.60.114.106/
[01:02] <Burgwork> I see it there, but not as bad
[01:02] <mdke> then file it i guess
[01:02] <Burgwork> I just pinged hendrik
[01:02] <mdke> he's not online
[01:03] <Burgwork> by email
[01:03] <mdke> aha
[01:03] <mdke> that'll do the trick
[01:03] <Burgwork> just found one more thing
[01:03] <Burgwork> the favico needs to be transparent
[01:03] <mdke> yeah that would be nice
[01:04] <Burgwork> the fonts don't look as good in the moin version
[01:04] <Burgwork> they are too small
[01:04] <mdke> i think it is the line spacing
[01:04] <Burgwork> looks at the tabs
[01:05] <Burgwork> the words are much smaller their
[01:05] <Burgwork> s/their/there
[01:05] <mdke> 1.25 as apposed to 1.5 line spacing
[01:05] <mdke> yeah that was intentional
[01:05] <Burgwork> ugh
[01:05] <Burgwork> that makes them harder to read
[01:05] <mdke> the tabs?
[01:05] <mdke> i preferred em bigger too
[01:06] <Burgwork> we need less words and more space on the website
[01:07] <mdke> refresh
[01:08] <mdke> that's about the same as ubuntu.com i think
[01:10] <mdke> Burgwork
[01:13] <Burgwork> yup?
[01:14] <mdke> you see the difference?
[01:14] <mdke> that is 1.5 spacing rather than 1.25
[01:14] <Burgwork> yes I do
[01:14] <Burgwork> anything that decreases space is a bad thing
[01:15] <mdke> ok changing back now, i've mailed henrik to suggest increasing space
[01:15] <Burgwork> do you have full control over that moin install?
[01:15] <mdke> well...
[01:15] <mdke> i have admin rights on that server
[01:16] <mdke> the amount of control is limited by the fact that I don't know what I'm doing that well
[01:16] <mdke> i'm no moin expert
[01:16] <Burgwork> ah
[01:17] <mdke> lol
[01:17] <mdke> don't do that
[01:18] <mdke> but you have a good point
[01:18] <Burgwork> ah yes
[01:18] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=diff&rev2=135&rev1=134
[01:18] <Burgwork> guess who made that edit ;)
[01:18] <mdke> lots of words really are just an excuse for not bothering to structure the site carefully
[01:19] <mdke> you?
[01:19] <Burgwork> or somebody being paid by the black pixel
[01:19] <Burgwork> yep
[01:19] <Burgwork> those two paragraphs could be said in one
[01:19] <mdke> heh
[01:19] <mdke> good edit
[01:19] <Burgwork> if the person was interested in more, they can google the topic
[01:20] <mdke> although, perhaps the word "patent" wouldn't go amiss
[01:20] <mdke> or a link to a page which explains what free means
[01:20] <mdke> oh, you've done that :)
[01:20] <mdke> awesome
[01:21] <Burgwork> actually, RestrictedFormats is quite sane right now
[01:21] <Burgwork> and quite well formatted
[01:21] <Burgwork> I just needed to tweak it now
[01:21] <Burgwork> hmm, I make a great deal of sense right now
[01:22] <mdke> :)
[01:23] <mdke> yeah, no other linux distros have so many words on their websites
[01:23] <mdke> well gentoo probably does, but it's all news
[01:25] <Burgwork> gentoo is in the middle of redesigning the website
[07:23] <LaserJock> mdke: I got the packaging guide to open in yelp
[07:52] <mdke> LaserJock, cool!
[07:52] <mdke> LaserJock, wanna send a patch?
[08:10] <LaserJock> mdke: well, in a bit. I am still trying to clean it up a bit.
[08:19] <LaserJock> gotta get lunch, I'll be back in an hr or so
[08:30] <mdke> don't see why not
[08:30] <mdke> although that team will eventually govern commit access so we should probably limit it to contributors
[08:30] <mdke> Burgwork, ask him why he applied
[08:34] <Burgwork> I approved him
[08:34] <Burgwork> I don't harm in letting him have commit access
[08:34] <mdke> no, this is a good point
[08:34] <Burgwork> lets just say he is not an unknown
[08:35] <mdke> he applied recently? odd, hopefully he is thinking of doing some doc work :)
[08:35] <Burgwork> he applied today
[08:36] <Burgwork> Benjamin Mako Hill   	2005-11-25  	  	Approved
[08:36] <mdke> cool
[08:37] <Burgwork> what about having the wiki team as part fo the doc team
[08:37] <mdke> it is already I thought
[08:37] <mdke> i dunno if that would screw around with commit access
[08:37] <Burgwork> can we make it so that only people who are actually members and not members through another gropu have access?
[08:38] <mdke> not sure
[08:38] <mdke> they haven't sorted out the commit access thing anyway
[08:38] <mdke> they are working on it for bzr... but i don't think it's finished
[08:38] <Burgwork> I was chatting with SteveA, he said that fine grained access control was coming
[08:38] <mdke> yeah, but bzr only I think
[08:38] <mdke> i spoke to spiv last night about it
[08:38] <Burgwork> they are looking to make the auth mechanism quite plugable
[08:39] <mdke> anyhow we can think about bzr soon anyway
[08:39] <Burgwork> yes
[08:39] <Burgwork> I like dapper+1 myself
[08:39] <Burgwork> even now is too late into the cycle to really switch
[08:39] <mdke> assuming it will work for us, dapper+1 is fine by me
[08:40] <mdke> i'm not convinced, and spiv kinda confirmed this, that we need a decentralised version control system
[08:40] <mdke> but apparently they are working on a centralised thing for bzr anyway
[08:40] <Burgwork> cvs mode
[08:40] <mdke> apokryphos, yeah, we've had quite a lot of discussion with that group
[08:40] <mdke> Burgwork, http://bazaar.canonical.com/LockStepDevelopment
[08:41] <Burgwork> hmm
[08:41] <Burgwork> I realized why moin pisses me off so much
[08:41] <apokryphos> mdke: what's the deal with it? Are they archiving stuff or just on another whole project? Seems like there already is (i) a doc team; (ii) a wiki
[08:41] <Burgwork> 1) It assumes content is more important that presentation
[08:41] <Burgwork> 2)It assumes that the editors have other means of communicating
[08:41] <Burgwork> Mediawiki assumes neither of these things
[08:42] <mdke> apokryphos, start about http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81666&page=3
[08:43] <apokryphos> thanks
[08:43] <mdke> apokryphos, about post 25 (me)
[08:43] <mdke> then go over the page
[08:47] <apokryphos> arggh
[08:47] <apokryphos> really don't like to generalize here, but linux+forums ends up always aggrevating me :/
[08:47] <mdke> i used to love the gentoo forums
[08:47] <mdke> whenever I post in ubuntuforums, I always find myself struggling to make peace and promote discussion
[08:48] <apokryphos> precisely. I stepped in the other day to say that constructive criticism and patches for programs are good, and I got called a "moron" and a troll. Gah.
[08:48] <mdke> that doc.gwos thing is such a shame, because so much great effort goes into it which could go into the wiki
[08:49] <dholbach> hi
[08:49] <apokryphos> 'zactly; we should be able to reason through things like that -- it's made too difficult
[08:49] <mdke> apokryphos, i spent a lot of hours on it, not just in that forum thread but also on irc and by email, no good
[08:49] <mdke> dholbach, hi
[08:50] <apokryphos> I guess when people don't want to reason, they simply won't.
[08:51] <dholbach> mdke: did we agree on 5.11-1 as a version number?
[08:51] <mdke> dholbach, no, but that is fine by me
[08:52] <dholbach> mdke: or maybe better 5.11.1, 5.11.2, 5.11.3
[08:52] <dholbach> hmmm
[08:52] <mdke> dholbach, whichever you prefer
[08:52] <dholbach> :)
[08:52] <apokryphos> 5.11.1!
[08:52] <apokryphos> damn those hyphens :-O
[08:52] <dholbach> 5.11.1-1 :)
[08:52] <mdke> heh
[08:53] <mdke> dholbach, so in terms of building docs, all that is necessary should be "make gdeb" in the ubuntu directory
[08:53] <dholbach> i do     debuild
[08:53] <dholbach> which i do in every other package too
[08:54] <mdke> what calls the "make gdeb"?
[08:54] <dholbach> if you have a look at debian/rules
[08:54] <dholbach> (that's the package makefile)
[08:54] <mdke> oh yeah
[08:54] <dholbach> an obfuscated version of it
[08:55] <mdke> cool
[08:55] <mdke> hi there jjesse 
[08:56] <jjesse> hello mdke
[08:56] <jjesse> just upgraded to kde3.5rc2 :)
[08:56] <jjesse> boy is it slow here at work today over 1/2 of the company is gone
[08:56] <mdke> holidays?
[08:56] <dholbach> you normally have build targets in packages like build, clean, binary, ... - but jbailey wrote large parts of cdbs (which is used in this package), which hide the internals of a package build system and make it easier
[08:56] <jjesse> mdke: yeah day after thanksgiving
[08:56] <mdke> dholbach, ah i see
[08:57] <mdke> jjesse, turkey leftovers eh
[08:57] <jjesse> mmm turkey :)
[08:57] <apokryphos> jjesse: try out kopete -- many advances 8)
[08:57] <mdke> dholbach, so did you svn up?
[08:58] <dholbach> svn export
[08:58] <jjesse> apokryphos: yeah?  i'll have to check them out
[08:58] <apokryphos> smooth scrolling, full webcam support, other convenientisms, and other msn-messenger-type things (i.e. nudges etc(
[08:58] <mdke> dholbach, cool, how is it lookin?
[08:59] <dholbach> mdke: will build in a sec
[08:59] <mdke> :)
[09:02] <jjesse> apokryphos: it looks a lot cleaner
[09:06] <dholbach> mdke: does this look cool to you? http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff.txt
[09:07] <dholbach> mdke: translations dropped, some pictures changed, serverguide added (to sum it up, if i didn't overlook anything)
[09:07] <dholbach> Version: [-5.10-6-]  {+5.11-1+}
[09:07] <dholbach> Installed-Size: [-6360-]  {+984+}
[09:07] <mdke> ooh hang on
[09:07] <dholbach> ^ this is just a bit worrying ;)
[09:08] <mdke> what is worrying?
[09:08] <dholbach> 6,3MB -> 984 KB
[09:08] <dholbach> ;)(
[09:08] <mdke> oh, that's just the translations
[09:08] <mdke> i need an image moving
[09:08] <dholbach> which one?
[09:08] <mdke> can you add this line to debian/install
[09:09] <mdke> ubuntu/images/C/ubuntuheader.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C
[09:09] <dholbach> should all the documents be registered?
[09:09] <mdke> i wanna check one more thing too
[09:10] <mdke> i don't understand these:
[09:10] <mdke> /usr/share/ubuntu/libs/cdo-C.ent
[09:10] <mdke> /usr/share/ubuntu/libs/global.ent
[09:11] <dholbach> they don't seem to get installed in the new package
[09:11] <dholbach> errrrr, they GET installed in the new package
[09:11] <mdke> yeah
[09:11] <mdke> hmm
[09:11] <dholbach> ls that wrong?
[09:12] <mdke> the last package had this:
[09:12] <mdke> libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu-docs/libs
[09:12] <mdke> libs/*ent usr/share/gnome/libs
[09:12] <mdke> gnome/libs/*ent usr/share/gnome/help/libs
[09:12] <mdke> gnome/libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu-docs/gnome/libs
[09:13] <mdke> dholbach, can I change the debian/install and insert those, then you go an svn up?
[09:13] <dholbach> hm, did i mess with this?
[09:13] <mdke> dunno
[09:13] <dholbach> gnome/libs -> ubuntu/libs, right?
[09:13] <mdke> yeah
[09:13] <mdke> and usr/share/ubuntu-docs/libs
[09:13] <dholbach> right
[09:15] <mdke> dholbach, are you gonna change it, or shall I?
[09:15] <dholbach> i change it in the package - you do in svn?
[09:16] <mdke> okay... you can't do svn up there?
[09:16] <dholbach> i don't think, i have an account
[09:17] <mdke> svn up just pulls the new changes
[09:17] <mdke> i'll commit and you can pull em?
[09:17] <dholbach> i'm clearly not as experienced with svn :)
[09:17] <dholbach> i changed it here already
[09:18] <dholbach> i will install the package and see how it works for me
[09:18] <mdke> hang on again :)
[09:19] <mdke> i actually don't see any difference between the debian/install in our trunk and the one in branches/breezy, so I don't understand why those two extra files are there
[09:20] <dholbach> you created/moved those .ent files afterwards?
[09:20] <dholbach> and they got in because of the '*'?
[09:20] <mdke> but why are they in a strange place?
[09:21] <mdke> /usr/share/ubuntu/libs
[09:21] <mdke> oh i see it
[09:21] <mdke> perhaps we can just remove that line
[09:21] <mdke> libs/*ent usr/share/ubuntu/libs
[09:22] <dholbach> ubuntu/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C
[09:22] <dholbach> ubuntu/images/C/IconUbuntu.png usr/share/ubuntu/help/images/C
[09:22] <dholbach> seem to be typos too
[09:22] <dholbach> must have been, early in the morning
[09:22] <mdke> yeah
[09:23] <mdke> it's because you/me changed gnome to ubuntu
[09:23] <mdke> it should have remained "gnome" i think
[09:23] <dholbach> right, what about that other stuff going to    usr/share/gnome/... 
[09:24] <mdke> i think the "Files in first .deb but not in second" are fine
[09:25] <dholbach> cool
[09:25] <dholbach> that makes me happy
[09:25] <mdke> with the exception
[09:25] <dholbach> and brings christmas a bit closer :)
[09:25] <mdke> of those two images you pointed out, and *ent
[09:25] <dholbach> right, let's see how they look after the next build
[09:25] <mdke> cool
[09:30] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff3.txt
[09:30] <mdke> lookin
[09:30] <dholbach> sitll one /ubuntu/ item
[09:31] <dholbach> found it
[09:31] <mdke> i think that those ents and the pngs should be in the same place as for the breezy package
[09:32] <mdke> perhaps they are... it's difficult to see from the diff
[09:32] <mdke> we should have /usr/share/gnome/help/images/C/IconUbuntu.png
[09:32] <dholbach> if you have the normal package installed, it should be all in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntu-docs.list
[09:32] <mdke> /usr/share/gnome/help/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png
[09:32] <mdke> in our package as well
[09:32] <dholbach> or you can run    dpkg -c    on the deb
[09:34] <dholbach> hrm, they're in ubuntu-docs/...
[09:34] <dholbach> one of them is symlinked though
[09:34] <mdke> hmm
[09:34] <mdke> we just need to preserve the situation from breezy for those
[09:36] <mdke> everything *ent and *png should be in the same place
[09:36] <dholbach> why were they linked before?
[09:37] <mdke> i think we need them both in /usr/share/gnome/help (for about ubuntu) and /usr/share/ubuntu-docs for the other documents
[09:37] <dholbach> ok
[09:37] <dholbach> that's what i just did
[09:37] <dholbach> for both .png
[09:37] <mdke> great
[09:43] <dholbach> ok, looks MUCH better now
[09:43] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/package-diff4.txt
[09:44] <dholbach> "Files in first .deb but not in second" now contains the .omf and .xml (which should be translated) and quicktour png files
[09:46] <mdke> afaics looks good
[09:46] <dholbach> sorry
[09:46] <dholbach> :)
[09:47] <dholbach> now i get     cannot create dhelp file '/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/HTML/en/quicktour/C/.dhelp': File not found
[09:47] <mdke> we can iron out any minor troubles, I think it is all good
[09:47] <mdke> the quicktour shouldn't be in there
[09:47] <dholbach> yep
[09:48] <dholbach> i drop debian/ubuntu-docs.doc-base.quicktour
[09:49] <mdke> sounds good
[09:54] <dholbach> now lintian complains about a too long extended description - that's in debian/control
[09:54] <dholbach> i will trim it a bit
[09:54] <dholbach> but that's rather silly :)
[09:54] <dholbach> oh yes... those should be just 80 chars
[09:54] <dholbach> per line
[09:55] <mdke> ok, cool
[09:55] <dholbach> i know it's fascistic, but anyway, i'll change it
[09:55] <mdke> sure
[09:55] <dholbach> and we'll have NEW docs soon! WOW! :)
[09:56] <jjesse> wahooo!!!
[09:56] <jjesse> :)
[09:56] <mdke> this is exciting
[09:56] <mdke> dholbach, send me a diff of what you've changed and I'll apply it to our trunk
[09:56] <mdke> but we need to get you commit access
[09:56] <dholbach> you don't want me to :-p
[09:57] <dholbach> next time i test this, i won't do it on my laptop ... the disk is so effing slow
[10:00] <dholbach> it installs and it doesnt explode
[10:00] <dholbach> WOW
[10:00] <dholbach> let's have a look, where i can see all this funky documentation
[10:00] <mdke> in yelp
[10:00] <mdke> also, firefox homepage should be a bit prettier
[10:02] <dholbach> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html ?
[10:03] <mdke> think so yeah
[10:03] <dholbach> hrm, it should normally show some pictures or something, no?
[10:03] <mdke> just the logo
[10:03] <dholbach> it doesnt show anything now
[10:03] <dholbach> and yelp is broken in dapper
[10:03] <dholbach> YAY
[10:03] <dholbach> :)
[10:03] <mdke> cool
[10:04] <dholbach> doesnt show pictures i mean
[10:04] <mdke> ok
[10:04] <mdke> on breezy, the logo is in file:///usr/share/images/C/UbuntuLogo.png
[10:04] <dholbach> ok, here's what i will do now: i will upload the .deb package to my place, send you the diff
[10:04] <mdke> the new one should be file:///usr/share/images/C/ubuntuheader.png
[10:04] <dholbach> i hope we'll get yelp sorted out again
[10:04] <mdke> hope so
[10:04] <mdke> but yelp is pretty shit for our documentation anyway
[10:05] <dholbach> trying (in vain) to upload a package to the archive now, is probably not the best thing to do :)
[10:05] <mdke> hmm
[10:05] <dholbach> you want to have it uploaded?
[10:05] <mdke> no, that's cool
[10:06] <mdke> as long as our svn is up to date
[10:06] <mdke> we can upload whenever
[10:06] <dholbach> ok
[10:06] <dholbach> cool
[10:06] <dholbach> i don't mind, if we upload a package and an image is missing
[10:06] <mdke> me neither
[10:06] <mdke> but I can fix that quickly
[10:06] <dholbach> but if i can't have a look with yelp, that's something different ;)
[10:07] <mdke> so yelp breaking is not our fault?
[10:07] <mdke> it was already broken?
[10:07] <dholbach> yes
[10:07] <dholbach> because of the new firefox in dapper
[10:07] <mdke> ahh
[10:07] <mdke> fine
[10:07] <dholbach> yelp relies on firefox for the rendering
[10:07] <dholbach> yeah, great! :)
[10:07] <mdke> well I'm sure that will be fixed quickly
[10:08] <mdke> send me the patch, then I'll fix the image thing, and we can upload once yelp is fixed
[10:09] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[10:09] <mdke> or before, if you like
[10:10] <dholbach> i will try looking at the package tomorrow with a breezy-livecd :)
[10:10] <mdke> rock
[10:20] <dholbach> i messed up the build dir and the .deb is just 140K big now
[10:21] <dholbach> i will have to investigate
[10:21] <dholbach> but i think i won't do that now, but just get out and have a beer somewhere :)
[10:22] <dholbach> sorry to disappoint you there, but i'll mail you
[10:22] <dholbach> i'm just a bit tired today
[10:35] <mdke> dholbach, np
[10:35] <dholbach> have a nice weekend guys :)
[10:36] <mdke> see ya :)
[11:39] <rob1> wow.. full house today
[11:39] <rob1> theres only like 4 people away
[11:40] <mdke> yo
[11:40] <rob1> hi mdke
[11:40] <mdke> rob1, i meant to ask you, do you know why the internal links don't work in the desktopguide xml?
[11:41] <mdke> that olink stuff, is it just for the html?
[11:41] <rob1> the olink stuff is for olinks within the document
[11:41] <rob1> I haven't done them yet (they are still all xrefs)
[11:41] <rob1> but they still should be working
[11:42] <rob1> at least they do here when I build html using the /ubuntu Makefiles
[11:42] <mdke> rob1, can you try opening the xml in yelp
[11:42] <mdke> ?
[11:42] <rob1> they work for me there too
[11:42] <rob1> hang on
[11:43] <rob1> yep the xrefs are working in yelp for me
[11:44] <rob1> well, they are forwarding to the right page
[11:44] <rob1> the olinks will forward to the exact link
[11:44] <mdke> hmm
[11:45] <rob1> thats why we have the db files, the olinks use them to find where the link is
[11:45] <mdke> dunno why I couldn't get them to work
[11:45] <mdke> rob1, anyhow, what files apart from xml need to go in the package?
[11:46] <rob1> well all the xml files including olinkdb.xml, plus the db directory (and you need to run the make file at least once to create the .db files)
[11:47] <mdke> gosh
[11:47] <rob1> and sample
[11:47] <mdke> ok