=== shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | | 25 Nov 16:00 UTC: Desktop team | 30 Nov 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 01 Dec 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 06 Dec 14:00 UTC: Community Council === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 25 Nov 16:00 UTC: Desktop team | 30 Nov 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 01 Dec 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 02 Dec 22:00 UTC: DocTeam | 06 Dec 14:00 UTC: Community Council === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === BenC [n=bcollins@209.163.125.153] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@209.163.125.153] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@209.163.125.153] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@209.163.125.153] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@165.165.120.75] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jkbys [n=jkbys@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@adsl-69-105-233-77.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0C7F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60113.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@165.165.120.233] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F5FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-121-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin_ [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-167.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lllmanulll [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-167.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach is so excited already. === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:00] Hi everybody! [05:01] can everybody, who is here for the Desktop Team meeting state their name? === dholbach is Daniel Holbach [05:01] ChristianBjlevik === seb128 is Sebastien Bacher [05:01] i see [05:02] that gives the meeting a more cozy atmosphere [05:02] shall we wait a minute or two? :) === Simira [n=rpGirl@c51008D91.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo is Sebastian Drge === ogra is OliverGrawert [05:02] hi Simira [05:02] hub excuses himself [05:02] hi there. I seemed to have dropped into a meeting [05:02] where is our jdub ? [05:03] Simira: we were just about to start, interested in the desktop team meeting? [05:03] ogra: good question - some of us ask that ourselves for some days now ;) [05:03] ogra: probably sleeping [05:03] dholbach : not really, I'm on a workshop with another job ;) [05:03] I've spoken with him on IRC 2 days ago [05:03] he still have no DSL [05:03] Simira: i see === MarioMeyer is Mario Meyer [05:03] dholbach, i know he got a new DSL line which was delayed ... but thats a info from beginning of last week [05:04] ok === lllmanulll is Manu Cornet === dholbach knows those problems [05:04] who doesnt :) [05:04] did vuntz say anything? :) [05:04] vuntz: ping [05:04] he just said, he wanted to have the announce on the fridge ;) [05:04] maybe that's why he didnt turn up :) [05:05] ok... let's get going anyways [05:05] seb128 and i were wondering, how we can put more life into the desktop team [05:06] while the announce ot the team itself was a success (look at the bunch of people, and especially upstream people that are in the channel), we thought we might promote the idea a bit more [05:06] we started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingIdeas with a bunch of ideas [05:07] i personally felt, that we might need a bit more of organisation and places to point people to, where they could help out, since the observation "seb128 does GNOME all alone" is kind of wrong ;) [05:07] i hope we can all agree on that :) [05:08] yeah [05:08] sure, it's seb128 and dholbach now ;-) [05:08] lol [05:08] haha :) [05:08] lol [05:08] one to break stuff, the other one to fix [05:08] lol [05:08] and we switch every week :p [05:08] we switch every day to keep it exciting [05:08] or well... :) [05:08] ;) [05:09] do you have any thoughts on this? [05:09] i think the prob is that the desktop is in main ... [05:09] better start making random switches for even more excitement :-) [05:09] initiatives we could start, things you'd expect from the team, ... [05:09] and? [05:09] its not as easy as getting your hands on universe packages [05:09] ogra: do you think it'd help to state clearly, that we're happy to sponsor uploads until people are ready for main? [05:09] people wont just jump on packages that are in main like they do for universe packages [05:10] you can bug triage, have nice idea, package new stuff, send patches, do artwork (hey lllmanulll), etc [05:10] dholbach, absolutely [05:10] ogra: ok, maybe we should make that clearer [05:10] Hey :) [05:10] dholbach, not clearer, but more public .... shout it out to the world :) === dholbach makes a note :) [05:11] I'll ask you guys about the stuff I did yesterday in a while, if there's nothing else to talk about :p [05:11] i thought, that maybe with a bit more of organisation (like description of workflow, ie: what to do, when upgrading a package, ...) might help with that too (to lower the entry point) === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:12] hey vuntz_ [05:12] vuntz_: we started without you already [05:12] hi vuntz_ [05:12] hi [05:12] sorry for being late [05:12] what would you all like to see from the desktop team? or do in the desktop team? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-244.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:13] does the MeetingIdeas page give you ideas, answer questions? === mvo michael vogt and late [05:13] what is " own Wiki table (apart from UniverseCandidates" ? [05:14] ogra: ah yes... i wanted to have a gnome/ubuntu-desktop specific table of stuff we take care of and we want to see ASAP [05:14] does that mean NEW sftware or software that should move into the default desktop ? [05:14] might move into the default desktop at some stage [05:14] ah, yes [05:14] for example marlin (a sound editor) is still bumpy, but i'd really like to see it - so if we as a team could try to get it in (and working together with upstream), that'd be great === dholbach feels like in the UbuntuAndUpstream-BOF again. [05:15] heh [05:16] so you all see everything you want from the desktopteam going already? :) [05:17] once we're big enough as a team, we could even take more care of the gnome part of universe [05:17] well, I think the team just needs a bit more organization, but in the end, we don't want too much organization (I guess) [05:17] vuntz_: it does, i agree with you [05:18] vuntz_: can you think of something that should be better defined? === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-167.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:19] seb128: do you think the point about making the desktop specs more "accessible" to people from the desktop team makes sense? [05:19] dholbach: have permanent links of bugs to triage [05:19] dholbach: have lists of easy bugs to fix [05:19] vuntz_: yeah, that'd be great [05:19] lists of easy tasks to do [05:19] dholbach: how accessible? [05:20] it's also a matter of showing that it's easy to contribute :-) [05:20] seb128: 'accessible' like bits of specs, where people can help out [05:20] we started alist of tasks [05:20] vuntz_: ++ [05:20] yeah, i think that's a good start [05:20] did everybody know about DesktopTeam/TODO? :) [05:20] nope [05:20] not me [05:20] I put some stuff here which would be useful [05:20] than we want to do [05:20] but what we don't do yet because we are too busy [05:21] ie: stuff nice to contribute [05:21] like splitting totem to make a mozilla binary package :) [05:21] nope [05:21] and getting the menuicon back :-P [05:21] ? === Nafallo hides* [05:21] we have no such bug [05:21] I agree about the "easy things to do", and with this kind of list, I would certainly contribute much more :) [05:21] ReturnOfTheMenuIcons-BOF :) [05:21] hey lllmanulll :-) [05:22] seb128: I haven't filed it yet :-) [05:22] lllmanulll: I've a special task for you, you started on it [05:22] lllmanulll: the new gnome-session logout dialog seems a perfect job for you :) [05:22] what about "ship activeX control dlls with wine" *g* [05:22] also, I'm wondering how much the desktop team should work with upstream [05:22] ie, how much new development should be done [05:22] i guess wine will enter main at some point ... [05:22] seb128: All right, perfect :) [05:23] lllmanulll: you really want to work on this? would be great [05:23] (or if it's a "package, triage bugs & fix bugs" team) [05:23] lllmanulll: that's probably much easier than the add to panel [05:24] vuntz_: the development depends on how much people are contributing [05:24] seb128: No problem [05:24] rock [05:24] dholbach: right :-) [05:24] seb128: I guess it would be quite easy, yeah [05:24] vuntz_: if somebody wants to hack gnome-panel to do $SOMETHING_CRAZY, we could push it into ubuntu to get people testing it and we'd contribute it upstream - i think that makes sense [05:25] in general we do not too much development. but some HIG experts would be very welcome IMO :) [05:25] (as an example) [05:25] seb128: Huh, let me make sure : it's just a very simple dialog with four or five buttons with icons, and "OK" and "Cancel", right ? :) [05:25] mvo++ [05:25] mpt is unfortunately in holidays [05:25] i think he'd have had some ideas on this [05:25] i just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/NewSoftware [05:25] seb128/lllmanulll: note that markmc wanted to move the dialog to the panel [05:25] lllmanulll: let's discuss that later on -desktop, but that's a real panel with 2 areas for the 2 kinds of actions (like windows has 2 buttons) and the icons here to do that [05:26] vuntz_: what dialog? accept lllmanulll's work upstream? [05:26] seb128: logout dialog [05:26] oh, ok [05:26] doesn't matter where the code is [05:26] :) [05:27] yeah [05:27] I agree with mvo [05:27] an usuability team would rock [05:27] did you all know about UsabilityWishlist? [05:27] somebody to ping when you get usuability/HIG bugs and I've not clue about this [05:27] dholbach: Huh, no [05:27] :) [05:27] not "no clue", but are not good at designing :) [05:27] dholbach IS the wiki-master :-) [05:28] usability team++ [05:28] Yeah [05:28] But that's a lot of teams :) Couldn't usability issues be given to the Desktop team ? Or is this a totallly weird idea ? :) [05:29] a subteam, like some people who "have a clue" and enjoy doing HIG/usabilty? [05:29] yeah, let's make it only one team for now [05:29] i met a guy here in berlin, who'd enjoy working on this [05:30] as ogra said: we should raise awareness of the team [05:30] I would love working on usability issues too [05:30] i think there are a lot of people using ubuntu, who would care about the desktop and love working on this [05:30] would be nice to have a different list or something like GNOME guys do [05:30] so you can Cc: usuability-list on a bug to get their opinion [05:31] sounds good, as soon as we have some more people for this [05:32] shall we start DesktopTeam/Organisation and dump our ideas there? [05:32] as we don't have a gobby session here ;) [05:32] why don't we? :-) [05:33] because the wiki saves stuff more securely than gobby? :-p [05:33] bah === ogra will write a main inclusion report for gobby over the weekend and add it to edubuntu-desktop :p [05:34] oki. I have only used it once so... ;-) [05:34] ogra: yay! :-) [05:34] Nafallo: it trashed a couple of specs at UBZ :) [05:35] dholbach, thats a user error :) [05:35] ogra: ... [05:35] yeah, sorry, it was my mistake to not save every minute :) [05:35] hehe [05:35] *grin* [05:36] ogra: implement auto-saving before MainInclusion to make it dholbach-friendly aswell? :-) [05:36] hehe [05:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Organisation [05:37] Nafallo, if $USER == 'somekindofholbach' autosave on ? [05:37] lol [05:37] ogra: will you fix "close button closes on all clients without saving and asking" too first? [05:37] IS_DHOLBACH_USING_THIS=1 gobby works normally [05:38] mvo, probably ... [05:38] :) [05:39] i'll look at it ... i want it for edubuntu so i'll probably have to do the fixes [05:39] dholbach, Organisation looks good ... [05:40] so far [05:40] So what's the decision about usability ? Create a new list/team ? I'd *love* to participate :) [05:41] we should start with the ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com list [05:41] and the team as it is [05:41] I'm for creating the tools now [05:41] I don't agree [05:41] All right, I vote for seb128 ! [05:41] :-p [05:41] :) [05:41] usuability is something that is useful for desktop guys [05:41] it's just that there is ~0 traffic on ubuntu-desktop@ [05:42] but need to be created because desktop guys often are not usuability expert [05:42] or don't care [05:42] or are not good at designing stuff [05:42] and usuability guys probably don't want to follow all the technical discussions [05:42] right, which is a different topic [05:42] seb128, we'll need the people first ... [05:43] I tend to think than people come when the thing exist [05:43] make a call for help to the mailing lists at first step [05:43] and don't come to force you to create it [05:43] look at the motu business - we STILL have no mailing list - do you think we'd get it for ubuntu-usability@ faster? :) [05:43] get people in to show there is momentum ... === vuntz_ wonders why his name appears in Organisation ;-) [05:43] than ask for a list [05:44] vuntz_, because you talked about the topic nextto it ;) [05:44] vuntz_: what do you think? Creating a list first which will encourage enthousiastic people to subscribe, or other way? [05:44] trying to get people using -desktop to start [05:44] and moving if there is enough of them [05:44] I'd say it's better to have only one list at the beginning [05:44] k [05:44] so let's use -desktop for it [05:44] you guys win [05:45] and I'm a bit afraid that we ask too much to usability people if they are only 2 or 3 === dholbach hugs seb128, so he's not unhappy any more [05:45] (that's what's happening in GNOME for bugs...) [05:45] I'm not unhappy [05:45] *nod* [05:45] but I tend to think that usuability guys will not subscribe to a technical list === lllmanulll has to go but no matter when the usability list is created, I will be glad to contribute :) [05:46] is the -desktop list a technical list ? [05:46] is supposed to be yep [05:46] i havent seen any technical stuff there yet [05:46] the ubuntu-devel of the desktop team [05:46] lllmanulll: super, have a nice day :) [05:46] no, there is virtually no discussion atm [05:46] we use IRC most of the time :) [05:46] Cheers :) [05:47] what about asking the people who will be in the usability subteam ? [05:47] yeah [05:47] dholbach: make a point to send a mail about bringing usuability people to the desktop team [05:47] like 'call to voluntars" [05:47] YESSIR [05:48] a real dholbach announce please :) they seem to attract people ;) [05:48] (see the bugdays) [05:48] merci beaucoup [05:48] with a nut of vuntz_ with it === dholbach blushes and curtseys [05:48] so it's perfect :) [05:48] yeah [05:49] TODO-ed it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/TODO) [05:49] cool [05:49] yay [05:49] dholbach: should be keep the DONE points on a table to show what we have done? [05:49] or just drop them [05:50] seb128: that sounds good - i always just dropped them [05:50] but we will do that === dholbach changes [05:50] dholbach: I've changed [05:50] and because the lists will be sooo long in the end, we will print them as books and they'll bestsellers [05:50] ROCK [05:50] :) [05:51] we use IRC most of the time :) [05:51] good point [05:51] seb128: btw, we might need to change this [05:51] dholbach, make it a requirement for all ubuntu books to put them in as appendix A [05:51] (if we want more people to contribute) [05:51] yeah [05:51] yup [05:51] yeah, we need to document better [05:52] having more discussion on -desktop is a good way to show that the team is alive and well-working [05:52] sometimes, even i have no clue about things to come on (because i'm not chatting to upstream or debian guys all day) [05:53] yeah, let's try to use the list when discussions could interest people === seb128 just mailed about gconf changes :) === dholbach saw it already :) === ogra too .... [05:53] I just sent it to -desktop === Nafallo to [05:53] seb128: you talked about things that could interest people ;-) === vuntz_ runs [05:54] vuntz_: define "people" :p [05:54] ahh, that's what I was doing! [05:54] do you call yourself people? :) [05:54] *subscribing* === vuntz_ waits for the mail to see if it's interesting [05:55] :-) [05:55] that went to u-d-a@ [05:55] :) [05:55] and to u-d [05:55] and to u-dt [05:56] seb128, crossposter :p [05:56] announce and desktop only [05:56] and desktop just because we said we should show we do work :) [05:56] nautilus-actions? [05:56] wow :) [05:56] dholbach: read planet GNOME [05:56] i did [05:56] k [05:58] so what will you guys do next week in your desktop team activities? [05:59] hug everyone ? [06:00] sounds good :) [06:00] or is it a bad answer? [06:00] i just thought, this might bring up some ideas :) [06:00] isnt hugging a good idea ? [06:01] it is :) [06:01] i mean, dont we do our regular stuff on desktop packages anyway ? [06:01] dholbach: I think I'd like to help people getting involved [06:01] vuntz_: what were you thinking about? [06:01] I'm pretty useless since I don't have a lot of time [06:02] i.e. i'm fighting with a xscreensaver split into 6 packages .... do you want me to state that here ? [06:02] dholbach: well, making an easy-to-find place with easy tasks [06:02] vuntz_: you're not useless, i'm quite happy to have you here [06:02] to be honest, this is something I'd like to do for GNOME too :-) [06:03] i very much appreciate this [06:03] :-) [06:03] that's why you guys should not vote for vuntz for the foundation :) [06:03] seb128: I hope they're not Foundation memebers ;-) === dholbach is Ubuntu Desktop Team member :) [06:04] ;) [06:04] okay, so, I'd like to see this: [06:05] everytime something interesting in the desktop is done, a note is added on a wiki page [06:05] then, we can make nice summaries so people can see what has been done [06:05] good idea [06:06] <\sh> moins [06:06] that's brilliant, yes [06:06] ideally, I'd like to see such a summary every week (or every two weeks) === dholbach hugs vuntz_ [06:06] the mail would also contain some easy love tasks [06:06] seb128: that will mean, we have to do more work, to make those summaries more exciting === seb128 blinks [06:07] I already work like 15 hours/day [06:07] :p [06:07] (this is something secret I'm planning to do for GNOME too, btw) === seb128 brb [06:07] tsk... he sleeps 9h ? thats way to much :) [06:07] * uploaded gnome 2.15.2 [06:07] * had a nice dog walk [06:07] * watched soccer game metz-nancy [06:07] * uploaded new gnumeric [06:07] * watched a nice movie in the cinema [06:07] * did a bug day [06:08] ^ that sounds good :) [06:08] metz-nancy [06:08] ahahahah [06:08] does someone plan to send a summary of the meeting? === dholbach can do that [06:09] great [06:09] vuntz_: thanks for voluntaring [06:09] have to do that for the a11y meeting anyways [06:09] s/vuntz_/dholbach [06:09] de rien [06:09] dholbach: I'm starting to be used to do this too ;-) [06:09] anyway, less work for me. I love this :-) [06:09] :) [06:10] i think for a first meeting this went quite well [06:10] less chaotic than i thought ;) [06:10] yeah [06:11] shall we have a meeting in one month of time? [06:11] I think maybe trying to blank a cd with cd-record has trashed a lot of my applications and made nothing work... [06:11] (for those that don't enjoy christmas with their family) ;) [06:11] <\sh> uh.. [06:11] dholbach: good idea, i'll be more active at that time ;) [06:12] dholbach: *grin* [06:12] <\sh> 25. december is the birthday of my ex..and anglo-saxons highest xmas day.. [06:12] \sh: you might have missed the smiley [06:12] <\sh> that means in the morning i'm with my little one...in the afternoon ok [06:12] friday 16th? [06:12] sounds good [06:12] <\sh> dholbach: there is no smiley for me...normally i don't celebrate xmas when I'm in single status [06:12] should we have different times? [06:13] to accomodate the australian/american/asian folks? [06:13] hum [06:13] or are we all ok with 16 UTC? [06:13] 9utc? [06:14] 16th, 16 UTC sounds good, doesnt it? :) [06:14] fine with me :) [06:14] ok, i'll put that in the meeting minutes as well [06:14] thank you very much everybody... i really appreciated your ideas and input [06:15] to be honest... in the first few silent minutes, i thought we were doomed :) [06:15] but now i'm quite confident, we'll get a super-duper desktop team rolling [06:15] :) [06:16] have to go [06:16] see you later [06:16] was a nice meeting [06:16] thanks dholbach [06:16] thanks everybody [06:16] thanks daniel [06:16] i enjoyed it [06:17] everybody dismissed :) [06:17] :-) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-45-211.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MarioMeyer_ [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-174-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62520.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rejden [n=rejden@147.175.55.175] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === MarioMeyer_ [n=meyer@ubuntu/member/mariomeyer] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@c51008D91.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-070-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-167.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zyga_ [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jkbys [n=jkbys@218-251-52-236.eonet.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting