[12:24] <thierry> anyone could help me getting started with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ?
[12:24] <thierry> how can I make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/
[12:26] <\sh> thierry: u have to check .install/.files/.dirs files and the install targets of the debian/rules files
[12:27] <Seveas> \sh, n00b question: what's the difference between .files and .dirs
[12:27] <Seveas> \sh, n00b question: what's the difference between .files and .install i mean
[12:27] <thierry> \sh : and what do I do if a package doesn't have any of these?
[12:28] <\sh> Seveas: old style and new style..
[12:28] <Seveas> which is new?
[12:28] <\sh> thierry: then it's doing the moving in the rules file e.g. dh_movefiles and/or dh_install
[12:29] <\sh> Seveas: hmm....for this I have to read the man page again :)
[12:29] <thierry> \sh : so what should I do??
[12:29] <Seveas> nvm, I'll read it myself
[12:30] <\sh> thierry: well...1. check if there is one desktop file in new upstream e.g. or create one in debian/ dir
[12:30] <thierry> \sh : ok I get this dh_movefiles: Compatibility levels before 3 are deprecated.
[12:30] <thierry> dh_movefiles: debian/tmp does not exist.
[12:31] <\sh> thierry: then dh_install to debian/<packagename where it belongs>/usr/share/applications/
[12:31] <\sh> something like this
[12:31] <thierry> but what does dh_install does?
[12:31] <\sh> man dh_install...
[12:32] <\sh> well...there are many ways to succeed this..and u have to read the debian/rules file and analyse the correct way for this package
[12:32] <thierry> k...
[12:33] <Seveas> I was trying to package libsexy, but somehow I mess up with the .install files
[12:39] <Seveas> even though I call dh_install in the rules, none of the files specified in the .install files are installed
[12:41] <Seveas> solved
[12:42] <Seveas> \sh, still here, got another simple noob question for you :)
[12:42] <\sh> just trying to calming down and going to bed
[12:43] <Seveas> ok, then I won't bother you :)
[12:44] <\sh> tomorrow...or write it to sh@sourcecode.de...so i can answer it early in the morning :)
[12:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:23] <sistpoty> cool... i just found out i already filed a bug with patch in BTS which i can use for merging now :)
[01:27] <\sh> sistpoty: hehe.btw..good work with offline merge :) i used it today a couple of times
[01:28] <sistpoty> do you mean the update-proggy?
[01:28] <\sh> yepp
[01:28] <\sh> 25 open merge/libstdc++ bugs...and no build logs..no information nothing :)
[01:28] <sistpoty> hehe... i just though it might come in handy if i wasn't the only one to manipulate the list *g*
[01:29] <\sh> and 424 packages to go
[01:29] <sistpoty> yep... :/
[01:29] <\sh> i need a build server for my own :)
[01:29] <sistpoty> use tiber ;)
[01:30] <sistpoty> that's what i did for the time consuming ghc6 *g*
[01:30] <\sh> tiber is too slow
[01:30] <\sh> it's not faster then my nc6000
[01:30] <sistpoty> harr... my own crate *is* slower than tiber :(
[01:30] <\sh> i need dual or quad cpu and one pbuilder per cpu
[01:31] <\sh> i could handle 4 packages at the same time..and still work on 4 other packages still :)
[01:31] <ajmitch> \sh: get me one of those boxes as well, please
[01:32] <\sh> actually...is it possible to assign a pbuilder to one cpu...and the second pbuilder to the 2. cpu?
[01:32] <\sh> i do not know
[01:33] <\sh> I want to try it
[01:34] <sistpoty> you can assign processes/process groups to a specific cpu iirc, so this should be possible
[01:34] <sistpoty> \sh: you did c2a-transition for cal3d?
[01:34] <sistpoty> \sh: because doko
[01:35] <sistpoty> +'s list says: "universe cal3d libcal3d10c2"
[01:35] <sistpoty> and my current updated pbuilder resolves ${shlibs:Depends} to libcal3d11
[01:36] <\sh> grmpf..i just switched of the nc6000
[01:37] <\sh> but I think i did libcal3d11c2a
[01:37] <\sh> but don't worry..nothing is build
[01:37] <\sh> the last logentry from today.html is from 15:42 DCT
[01:37] <sistpoty> ah, k...
[01:38] <\sh> ok...sleeping time...
[01:38] <sistpoty> so i should better wait until cal3d is built before i upload a pending package? or will s.o. clever trigger global rebuilds for pending packages?
[01:38] <\sh> sistpoty: we have to see...
[01:39] <sistpoty> ok
[01:39] <\sh> I just checked some rdepends on some renamed packages...and we have to send them for rebuilding...
[01:39] <\sh> actually i'm not sure if we should do it automatically via buildd admins, or at least we have to touch some build-deps or deps
[01:40] <\sh> cal3d was as well a merge
[01:40] <sistpoty> it was... maybe that confused me a little bit *g*
[01:40] <\sh> you have not my crack level .. i'm just burning :)
[01:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:41] <sistpoty> well then get some sleep and cool down ;)
[01:41] <\sh> yeah :)
[01:41] <\sh> good night :)
[04:23] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone and have a nice weekend (will be away during weekend)
[04:49] <lamont-away> ccmalloc_0.4.0-4ubuntu1 has an undeclared build-dep on g++-3.3
[07:04] <viviersf> hmmmm
[07:04] <viviersf> strange doesnt ubuntu have blackdown java anywhere ?
[07:11] <Amaranth> in multiverse
[07:12] <viviersf> erm
[07:12] <viviersf> lol
[07:12] <viviersf> i would have thought there should not be any issues with blackdown
[07:12] <viviersf> and it would be in universe
[07:13] <crimsun> nope, same issues as with ibm and sun, except blackdown's is redistributable
[07:22] <viviersf> elo ajmitch
[07:22] <viviersf> crimsun, :(
[07:35] <ajmitch> hi viviersf
[07:35] <viviersf> ajmitch, i got that problem sorted
[07:35] <ajmitch> great!
[07:35] <ajmitch> what was it?
[07:37] <viviersf> chroot / mtab / procmounts
[08:29] <zakame> hello
[08:29] <crimsun> moin
[08:55] <crimsun> speaking of which, the latest upgrade borked stuff, but I edited /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to /usr/bin/Xorg instead of /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, and stuff isn't crying so loudly
[08:56] <crimsun> err s/XFree86/X/
[09:05] <StevenK> I can't find it in Breezy, and packages.u.c can't search Dapper.
[09:05] <StevenK> Oh, woe is me!
[09:06] <crimsun> /usr/include/GL
[09:07] <StevenK> Well, what about GL/GLwMDrawA.h
[09:08] <StevenK> That's what I can't find.
[09:14] <crimsun> hmm.
[09:14] <zakame> hi slomo
[09:16] <StevenK> Ah hah!
[09:16] <StevenK> libgl1-mesa-swrast-dev
[09:23] <siretart> morning folks!
[09:27] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[09:27] <slomo> siretart: did you already fix qemu for ppc? otherwise i could take a look in a few minutes
[09:28] <siretart> slomo: the problem was iirc upstream, I intentended to wait for the next debian upload
[09:29] <zakame> hey siretart :)
[09:29] <siretart> slomo: if you can fix it, great
[09:29] <siretart> huhu zakame
[09:33] <yaoming> is there everybody tell me how to disable IPv6?
[09:34] <zakame> yaoming: how come? is ipv6 bugging you?
[09:34] <zakame> yaoming: you could also ask in #ubuntu
[09:35] <yaoming> yes
[09:37] <yaoming> sometimes i can access some site like ubunt.com. sometimes i cant access it,i think ipv6 bug this
[09:38] <dooglus> when I close this laptop's lid, nothing happens other than that the wireless connection gets broken.  can I stop it trying to hibernate or whatever it tries to do?
[09:38] <dooglus> sorry. thought I was in
[09:38] <dooglus> #ubuntu
[09:39] <yaoming> i have found #ubuntu ,thanks
[09:41] <dholbach> good morning
[09:41] <zakame> hi dholbach
[09:41] <dholbach> hey zakame :)
[09:44] <siretart> huhu dholbach
[09:45] <dholbach> hey reinhard
[10:05] <\sh> now...good morning
[10:09] <zakame> hi \sh :D
[10:09] <siretart> hey \sh
[10:11] <\sh> siretart: kathrin is fine?
[10:12] <\sh> grmpf...I have to check now the archives for successfull builds
[10:14] <siretart> \sh: yes, she got a bit hurt by the accident, but she is more or less fine
[10:15] <siretart> \sh: she is quite stressed on her nerves, because she has to hold a lessen in class (9th grade) about databases
[10:15] <siretart> and her prof wasn't too supportive :/
[10:16] <\sh> ah..that's really bad...
[10:16] <zakame> awww
[10:17] <\sh> moins ogra
[10:17] <zakame> hi ogra
[10:18] <siretart> hey ogra. morning Fuddl!
[10:19] <siretart> Fuddl: how's uni? ;)
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: re: imap server
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: I'd like to use courier, because I know him better, lets evalute that with shared folders
[10:20] <\sh> siretart: yes...imap server...I need a public folder
[10:20] <siretart> \sh: the problem with that: courier expects mails in ~/Maildir in Maildir format
[10:21] <siretart> \sh: currently exim delivers all mail to /var/mail/$user in mbox format
[10:21] <siretart> I could change this, but this would break mail for ALL users
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: but there must be a delivering agent for this...
[10:21] <siretart> so I'd suggest that we require the users to setup a procmailrc
[10:21] <siretart> is this fine for you?
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: cyrus has as well a delivery agent for other mtas...to push mails from mta stdin to imap db
[10:21] <\sh> siretart: there is only one :)
[10:22] <siretart> \sh: I know courier, too. thats the same problem
[10:22] <\sh> i need only an exim rule which pushes all incoming mail of one account into courier
[10:22] <\sh> shared folder
[10:22] <siretart> \sh: only that for Maildir, we can use procmail as delivery agent. for cyrus, we'd need the cyrus delivery agent additionally
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: courier works on maildirs
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: shared folders in courier are implemented using symlinks
[10:23] <siretart> \sh: Maildirs are locking and thread safe, so thats not a concern
[10:23] <siretart> the concern is security and access rights. this is resolved by filesystem
[10:23] <siretart> there is no such nice acls like in cyrus
[10:23] <\sh> siretart: ok...can we use a special account for this? we will subscribe this user to universe-bugs and I want to have access with a programm on it..nobpdy else
[10:24] <siretart> do we need that?
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: that would be not much of a problem. I'm currently investigating if I should install a courier or cyrus
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: but if I understand you correctly, I think cyrus would fit better, I think..
[10:25] <\sh> siretart: i don't mind..I only need a mailspool which I can access via imap :)
[10:25] <siretart> I see.
[10:25] <Fuddl> hi there!
[10:25] <siretart> \sh: cyrus makes it easier to implement virtual users
[10:26] <Fuddl> siretart: let's say it was "a hard ride" to get here ;)
[10:26] <siretart> Fuddl: hey, the streets are terrible
[10:27] <siretart> its snowing here.. hard!
[10:27] <dholbach> here too :-D
[10:27] <Fuddl> siretart: huh? where are you? still at home?
 Launchpad will be going down in 30 mins. Downtime estimate is 45 mins total. Wikis will be read only.
[10:31] <siretart> Fuddl: yes, I'll stay at home for today
[10:33] <Fuddl> siretart: and you say it snows in nuernberg? hm... hopefully there's some snow left for feucht :)
[10:34] <siretart> Fuddl: I just got home, I was at kathrin over the night
[10:35] <Fuddl> siretart: is she ok?
[10:36] <Fuddl> (... i ask because of that idiot...)
[10:36] <siretart> Fuddl: she is generally fine, yes
[10:37] <Fuddl> phu, that's good to hear. when that dump ass crashed into my scooter everything hurt they day after that accident
[10:38] <siretart> Fuddl: I can imagine
[10:38] <siretart> Fuddl: she is at school now, holding a lesson
[10:42] <Fuddl> siretart: hehe, that means she's NOT fine at the moment *ggg*
[10:43] <StevenK> Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, GLw support has been disabled.
[10:43] <slomo> GLw?
[10:44] <siretart> Fuddl: sort of, yes ;)
[10:44] <StevenK> I have no idea what it is, I just know the merge I'm trying to use requires it for building.
[11:25] <doko> ajmitch: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11097 that's rather old ...
[11:25] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug #11097: CXX transition: freefem Product: Ubuntu, Component: UNKNOWN, Severity: enhancement, Assigned to: ajmitch@ihug.co.nz, Status: UNCONFIRMED http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11097
[11:28] <\sh> doko: did u have a look on some packages I made if everything is correct?
[11:31] <ogra> \sh, if its not, you should get bugs anyway ;)
[11:31] <\sh> ogra: I want to avoid bugs...that's why I ask a pro :)
[11:31] <doko> \sh: no
[11:32] <ogra> \sh, we have 1 month more for bugfixing this release cycle ;)
[11:33] <\sh> ogra: yes..and we have finally 500 packages to go...and I don't want to make a mistake and bugfix it the other day...we ... do ... not ... have ... time ...
[11:34] <ogra> these 500 packages have to be done latest by feature freeze ... you'll be bored the rest of the release if you dont have bugs to fix ;)
[11:34] <ogra> (indeed i'm not serious)
[11:34] <\sh> ogra: oh no...I'll have some nice projects...glpbugs is one of them :)
[11:35] <ogra> oh, you plan to start working on dapper+1 stuff ?
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: yes..development stuff yes
[11:36] <doko> why 500 packages?
[11:36] <\sh> doko: merges
[11:36] <doko> ahh
[11:36] <\sh> doko: http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=fixed
[11:37] <\sh> only 145 packages so far done
[11:37] <siretart> w00t!
[11:37] <siretart> my bad, I misread
[11:37] <\sh> 100 packages in assigned status but not done
[11:37] <ogra> Total 185 packages says the page
[11:37] <siretart> I read only 145 left. sorry
[11:37] <\sh> 420 packages including cxx and merges to be done
[11:38] <\sh> uh i misread :)
[11:38] <ajmitch> hm, gnue-common didn't show on the list
[11:38] <ajmitch> but it was only a few days between debian upload & ubuntu sync
[11:39] <ajmitch> doko: yes, it is rather old, not sure why it slipped through
[11:39] <doko> \sh: you may want to add to this site, that people look first for syncing/merging the CXX stuff from unstable
[11:41] <\sh> doko: well..most of the people were reading it...and we marked all cxx stuff explicitly...so if there is a merge open which has to be transitioned as well...they know what to do :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> sleep time, night all
[12:27] <ogra> night ajmitch
[12:28] <siretart> gn8 ajmitch
[12:34] <chillywilly> got my Ubuntu CDs
[12:34] <chillywilly> makes me want to do a fresh install ;P
[02:27] <colinl> hi!
[02:28] <colinl> Lathiat: anything blocking about the updates I sent you yesterday by mail, or is it just lack of time?
[02:29] <Lathiat> colinl: havent looked at them yet, will do tonight
[02:29] <colinl> ok, thanks
[02:29] <Lathiat> nps
[02:37] <zakame> hi
[03:18] <zakame> hmmm, just to make sure, but are python packages to be set with Architecture: all, or any?
[03:19] <zakame> I notice eyed3 builds as python-eyed3-*_all in ubuntu, but not in debian
[03:23] <Lathiat> it does depend on the package
[03:26] <zakame> well, I noticed that on the last ubuntu change, eyed3 switched b-d's to b-d-i's, and arch: all
[03:26] <zakame> hi Fuddl
[04:26] <zakame> wb Nafallo
[04:29] <Nafallo> thanx
[04:45] <bradb> Hey all.
[04:45] <dholbach> hey brad
[04:45] <bradb> hey dholbach
[04:45] <bradb> Just thought I'd let you guys know that bugmail now has an X-Launchpad-Bug header, to help you build bugmail filters.
[04:46] <dholbach> i unmoderated universe-bugs@ :)
[04:46] <dholbach> and it doesn't seem to be spammed heavily, so i'm quite happy for the moment :)
[04:46] <bradb> cool
[04:47] <bradb> An example of what they look like is shown here: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/InitialBugContacts
[04:50] <dholbach> BugContacts - cooooool :)
[04:51] <dholbach> :)))
[04:51] <dholbach> man it was hugday yesterday :)
[04:51] <bradb> why was that?
[04:52] <ogra> because dholbach is a hugger :p
[04:52] <dholbach> because a bug day would have been too boring ;)
[04:52] <dholbach> we hugged people for every bug they closed successfully
[04:52] <dholbach> (we invited the community to help out with bug triage)
[04:52] <dholbach> which was great
[04:53] <bradb> heh, interesting idea
[04:58] <dholbach> hi hub_
[04:58] <\sh> bradb: btw...can I put more LP commands in one mail to malone? so affects /distros/ubuntu/package1 ... affects /distros/ubuntu/package2 ?
[04:58] <hub_> hi
[04:58] <dholbach> who wants to be in the desktop team meeting, ... #ubuntu-meeting in two minutes :)
[04:59] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:59] <Nafallo> might be fun reading...
[05:01] <bradb> \sh: god question. I believe it's intended to work that way, but I'll have to ask BjornT to see if it actually does work that way currently.
[05:01] <bradb> s/god/good/
[05:02] <hub_> sorry I'm a tad busy and the laptop is still the suck
[05:02] <hub_> I haven't finished unpacking
[05:06] <bradb> \sh_away: According to BjornT, yes, you can use affects multiple times (only one bug report would be opened, but on multiple packages)
[06:07] <\sh> re
[06:49] <bipolar> is anyone here maintaining updated mono packages?
[06:50] <bipolar> some update in ubuntu just broke the binaries from mono-project.com
[06:50] <jpatrick> \sh: could you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1013 please?
[06:50] <dholbach> i'm not involved in mono, but bipolar: what is the problem *exactly*?
[06:51] <bipolar> dholbach, monodevelop won't start at all. "** ERROR **: file handles.c: line 564 (_wapi_lookup_handle): assertion failed: (shared_handle_data->type == type)
[06:52] <\sh> bipolar: tseng? slomo?
[06:52] <tseng> < bipolar> some update in ubuntu just broke the binaries from mono-project.com
[06:52] <tseng> please dont mix random binaries
[06:52] <slomo> what binaries?
[06:52] <dholbach> oh yeah, i misread
[06:52] <dholbach> mono-project.com is something different
[06:53] <dholbach> if we tried to care about all the binary stuff in the world, we wouldn't move :(
[06:53] <bipolar> tseng, this is not a random binary. it's the releases from the mono project. They install in a seperate directory and are self contained.
[06:53] <\sh> tseng: oh sorry..i misread
[06:54] <tseng> I dont care who released it
[06:54] <tseng> it didnt come from ubuntu, we cant possibly be expected to test it etc
[06:54] <tseng> sorry.
[06:54] <\sh> jpatrick: looks quite ok..but I can't build right now...no kdelibs4c2 around :)
[06:54] <bipolar> nice. the ubuntu packages are so far out of date that they won't run monodevelop .9
[06:54] <tseng> we have very well maintained mono packages *in* ubuntu
[06:54] <tseng> if you want support please use them
[06:55] <bipolar> sorry. I have work to do. I can't wait for the mono packages to catch up
[06:55] <jpatrick> \sh: okay :)
[06:55] <pef> hello
[06:55] <slomo> bipolar: paste the backtrace or whatever somewhere and we may look at it
[06:55] <\sh> jpatrick: punch riddell to fix kde :)
[06:56] <bipolar> sure. I'll put everything in pastbin.
[06:56] <jpatrick> \sh: he's busy with the RC2
[06:56] <pef> just a question about current merges/sync on Universe, should a sync/merge only contains differences from Debian's version ? is it allowed to make others minor changes like bumping Standards-Version or something like this ?
[06:56] <\sh> jpatrick: i know :)
[06:56] <slomo> bipolar: and we're not out of date... we actually have monodevelop 0.9 packages since today ;)
[06:56] <jpatrick> \sh: I've also updated the kxdocker: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1023
[06:56] <bipolar> slomo, in breezy or dapper?
[06:57] <tseng> slomo: i think he is using breezy and misunderstands the processs
[06:57] <dholbach> breezy is released
[06:57] <dholbach> there are only important (like security) updated going in there
[06:57] <bipolar> yes. I am using breezy. if I have to upgrade to dapper to get updated packages I'll have to weigh all pros/cons of possible breakage.
[06:57] <tseng> or you could help out with backporting
[06:58] <slomo> well... there exist the backports... and we plan to get all the mono stuff backportedn soon
[06:58] <bipolar> I guess mono is just moving too fast.
[06:58] <\sh> jpatrick: if/when kdelibs is available again...then I can rebuild all kde stuff I have on my list...even the NEW ones :)
[06:58] <tseng> \sh: you are nuts :)
[06:59] <\sh> tseng: believe me when I say I'm doing merges and transitions at the same time...in 8 windows
[06:59] <\sh> tseng: plus filing bugs :)
[06:59] <tseng> i do believe you
[06:59] <pef> hello dholbach \sh
[06:59] <dholbach> hey pef :)
[06:59] <jpatrick> \sh: I think line 61 in the rules is wrong
[06:59] <\sh> i need only a quad intel cpu for one pbuilder for each cpu :)
[07:00] <tseng> boggle php5.1
[07:00] <bipolar> OH! you lousy POS
[07:00] <pef> dholbach: how are you ?
[07:00] <dholbach> pef: i'm fine :)
[07:00] <dholbach> pef: doing c++ transition stuff in main
[07:00] <dholbach> bipolar: tell me if it helps
[07:01] <pef> dholbach: it means lot of packages
[07:01] <bipolar> dholbach, it seems it was a path conflict.
[07:01] <dholbach> pef: not so very much in main
[07:01] <bipolar> dholbach, I was getting all bent out of shape for nothing. :\
[07:01] <\sh> dholbach: if u need some help for main crap...please tell...same applies to ogra
[07:01] <pef> dholbach: what's your opinion on my question about merges/sync ?
[07:02] <dholbach> bipolar: not to be rude or anything, but i'd have appreciated it, if you'd had been less upset, when you came here :)
[07:02] <ogra> \sh, kdeedu/games stuff might be something i'll ask you qeustions about...
[07:02] <bipolar> dholbach, yes. I'm sorry. I'm just really busy and frustrated.
[07:02] <dholbach> \sh: i didn't get that much assigned, i guess i'm fine, but thanks :)
[07:03] <\sh> ogra: see my comment on jpatrick...kde is not buildable right now...we're waiting for 3.5rc2 and riddell is fixing it..nasty cups stuff
[07:03] <ogra> \sh, i know
[07:03] <dholbach> pef: keep the delta slim, yes :)
[07:03] <bipolar> dholbach, I'll triple check everything on my end if this happens again.
[07:03] <\sh> ogra: to be honest...i have a couple of packages assigned to me...which needs badly kde :)
[07:03] <dholbach> bipolar: no, it's perfectly fine, to make mistakes :)
[07:03] <pef> dholbach: ok, thanks :)
[07:04] <ogra> \sh, i'm not in a hurry (yet)
[07:04] <\sh> ogra: but I...check the list and u know why
[07:04] <\sh> and I love siretart...only to mention this here...his fetchpackage script is awesom :)
[07:04] <\sh> e
[07:05] <\sh> and buildlogs of my current builds: http://motuhome.homelinux.net
[07:16] <Kyral> hey all
[07:16] <dholbach> hi Kyral
[07:16] <Kyral> How was everyone's holiday (if you were on holiday?)
[07:17] <Kyral> ah
[07:17] <dholbach> how was yours?
[07:17] <Kyral> Good
[07:17] <Kyral> I went from eating college food to eating food made by my grandma :D
[07:18] <dholbach> wow, that's an improvement :)
[07:18] <Kyral> Yah
[07:18] <Kyral> I go back to school on Sunday
[07:18] <Kyral> that also means bugfixing and other Ubuntu stuffs
[07:18] <Kyral> not that I can do much on this laptop
[07:20] <herve> hello
[07:23] <\sh> moins herve
[07:27] <dholbach> hey herve :)
[07:30] <herve> houba !
[07:34] <yosch> hi guys, anyone know how I would force removal of a non-empty folder in a postrm?
[07:35] <ogra> you dont
[07:36] <yosch> well it's to remove an empty font cache in a font subfolder, nothing else is in there
[07:37] <yosch> fixes an apt-get warning
[07:38] <yosch> it's problematic for font caches, try and uninstall a font package for example
[07:38] <ogra> if the file belongs to this package, remove this file ... if the dir belongs to this package and nothing else has put anything into it, it should go away with the purge argument anyway
[07:39] <yosch> purge is what I need then?
[07:39] <ogra> for font.cache it migh be enough to just update the font cache
[07:39] <ogra> purge is a user action, you cant force it
[07:39] <yosch> yes, right
[07:40] <ogra> try running fc-cache in the postinst of the package, i'm not sure but it might remove the font.cache file in the empty dir
[07:41] <ogra> look at the font packages that behave sanely and just d whats done there ;(
[07:42] <ogra> s/;(/;)/
[07:42] <yosch> not it doesn't get rid of the subcache, which means all the previously installed fonts still leave a /usr/share/fonts/<ttf-foundry-name>/fonts.cache-1
[07:42] <yosch> my point is I don't think many behave sanely is that regard
[07:43] <yosch> you try the fonts out and they leave directories behind for no good reason
[07:43] <ogra> you dont think *many* or you do think *all* ? :)
[07:43] <pef> dholbach: have you a minute ?
[07:43] <dholbach> sure
[07:43] <yosch> sorry I meant /usr/share/fonts/truetype/<ttf-foundry-name>/fonts.cache-1
[07:44] <yosch> I'm mainly focusing on truetypes now and they all seem to have that behaviour
[07:44] <ogra> try to find one that behaves different then ;)
[07:44] <pef> dholbach: when upload a new revision of a package, I should use only use debuild -s, not debuild -s -Sa
[07:44] <dholbach> -S -sa (if you mean new upstream version)
[07:45] <pef> dholbach: I mean I do a sync from Debian
[07:45] <dholbach> if it has a new .orig.tar.gz, yes
[07:45] <dholbach> no matter where it comes from
[07:45] <dholbach> new .orig.tar.gz   ->  debuild -S -sa (... other options)
[07:46] <ogra> but you surely mean a merge, syncs are done by elmo ;)
[07:46] <\sh> a new revision or a new version?
[07:46] <pef> \sh: new revision
[07:46] <\sh> 0.1.2-3 where 3 is revision
[07:46] <\sh> and 0.1.2 is the version
[07:46] <pef> yep, new version
[07:47] <\sh> new revision == no new orig.tar.gz
[07:47] <yosch> haven't found any bevahing differently
[07:47] <\sh> new version == new orig.tar.gz which means debuild -S -sa
[07:47] <\sh> whereas new revision == debuild -S
[07:47] <dholbach> pef: wihch version do we have?
[07:48] <pef> 0.6.2-3ubuntu1 in Ubuntu, 0.6-3 in debian
[07:48] <yosch> sorry s/bevahing/behaving/g
[07:48] <ogra> yosch, try playing with fc-cache in the postrm ...
[07:48] <pef> so I need to upload the 0.6.3.orig tarball, right ?
[07:48] <dholbach> pef: did you get the numbers right?
[07:49] <\sh> me too
[07:49] <pef> 0.6.3-4 sorry :)
[07:49] <dholbach> yeah, so it's a new orig.tar.gz for ubuntu
[07:49] <\sh> pef: debian == 0.6.3-4?
[07:49] <dholbach> debuild -S -sa is right
[07:49] <pef> \sh: yes
[07:49] <\sh> pef: and what did u change?
[07:50] <pef> \sh: lasso source package
[07:50] <\sh> pef: are the changes nescessary?
[07:50] <pef> \sh: one line on debian/control
[07:50] <\sh> pef: which line?
[07:50] <\sh> standards-version?
[07:51] <pef> \sh: -Depends: phpapi-20020918  becomes ${shlibs:Depends} and  add ${php:Depends}
[07:52] <\sh> pef: and substvar php: is in the rules defined or in a .substvar file?
[07:53] <pef> \sh: .subvar file
[07:54] <\sh> hmmm..
[07:54] <\sh> pef: for php4 or php5?
[07:54] <pef> php4
[07:55] <Gazer> hi, One of my packages in REVU was accepted in Debian and is in Sid now. I think it could be removed from REVU and sync from debian.
[07:57] <\sh> pef_aw: hmm...check php4-auth-pam as example...
[07:57] <\sh> pef_aw: the rules file
[08:11] <aa_> hi :)
[08:11] <\sh> anyone with a powerpc online? and can check if /usr/include/wx/platform.h:85:22: error: wx/setup.h: No such file or directory in libwxgtk2.4-dev is correct?
[08:17] <herve> bye
[08:21] <slomo> \sh: i'll check... mom
[08:21] <\sh> slomo: thx man :)
[08:23] <slomo> /usr/lib/wx/include/gtk-2.4/wx/setup.h
[08:24] <slomo> \sh: exists
[08:24] <\sh> hmmm..
[08:24] <\sh> which version of libwxgtk2.4? dappers?
[08:24] <slomo> sure
[08:24] <\sh> strange
[08:24] <\sh> slomo: check this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/ctsim/4.4.2-1ubuntu1/ctsim_4.4.2-1ubuntu1_20051125-1847-powerpc-failed.gz
[08:28] <slomo> \sh: i'll write it on my todo list
[08:28] <\sh> slomo: it's strange isn't it?
[08:28] <\sh> everything is fine, just not the ppc
[08:28] <\sh> and it's not even an issue in ctsim
[08:29] <\sh> In file included from /usr/include/wx/defs.h:19,
[08:29] <\sh>                  from /usr/include/wx/wxprec.h:13,
[08:29] <\sh> this is not the same include path u told me
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up libwxgtk2.4-1 (2.4.4.1ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up wx2.4-headers (2.4.4.1ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <\sh> Setting up libwxgtk2.4-dev (2.4.4.1ubuntu1) ...
[08:30] <slomo> \sh: no... it's not strange ;) -I/usr/lib/wx/include/gtk-2.4 is missing imho
[08:30] <\sh> these are the packages
[08:30] <\sh> but only on ppc
[08:30] <slomo> hmm
[08:30] <\sh> i386, amd64 are fine
[08:31] <slomo> ok, it's on top of my todo list now =)
[08:32] <\sh> hehehe
[08:32] <\sh> I owe u one :)
[08:32] <\sh> or more?
[08:32] <ajmitch> hi
[08:33] <slomo> \sh: one is fine, thanks :)
[08:33] <slomo> hi ajmitch
[08:33] <\sh> slomo: k :)
[08:34] <slomo> buy a mac mini... it's small, silent and has more power than my ibook ;)
[08:34] <ajmitch> slomo: probably a good idea :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> stack a few of them up as a build cluster ;)
[08:35] <slomo> ajmitch: hm, actually a very good idea ;) who has the money?
[08:35] <ajmitch> not me!
[08:36] <ajmitch> I see \sh is singlehandedly doing all the merges himself
[08:36] <\sh> hehe..and transitions
[08:36] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:36] <ajmitch> you scare me ;)
[08:37] <\sh> I scare myself more then I scare u :)
[08:37] <ajmitch> haha
[08:39] <slomo> \sh: at least i can reproduce the problem ;) hmm
[08:39] <\sh> slomo: hmmm....
[08:40] <slomo> \sh: want a clean fix or a hack? ;)
[08:40] <\sh> slomo: something wrong in the wxgtk package?
[08:40] <slomo> \sh: i guess it will compile fine when i add the correct include path to CFLAGS
[08:40] <\sh> I would bet it's the wxgtk package
[08:41] <\sh> but only for ppc :) the others are fine :)
[08:41] <slomo> i don't like wx ;)
[08:42] <\sh> well...lets put a CFLAGS line for ppc and reupload
[08:42] <slomo> i'm trying that now
[08:42] <\sh> dirty hacks are my speciality..."at least it works(tm)"
[08:42] <\sh> i need really a small pause
[08:48] <thierry> is it normal that in package gnome-panel-data, there's "DocPath= " and nothing after it?
[08:59] <yosch> ogra: thanks for your help I think my postrm works now, I'll be back tomorrow bye.
[09:02] <dholbach> thierry: you'd better ask that in #ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <\sh> ok..new run
[10:35] <dholbach> have a nice weekend, motus!
[10:35] <Kyral> cya
[10:36] <Seveas> any motu alive for a noob question?
[10:36] <Kyral> How about a MOTUWannabe?
[10:36] <dholbach> fire away
[10:37] <Seveas> a package around libfoo.so.1.0.0 should be named libfoo1, right?
[10:37] <slomo> \sh: thanks for transition of dirac :)
[10:38] <\sh> slomo: you're welcome :)
[10:38] <Kyral> I am afraid how many Dapper updates will be waiting for me on Sunday
[10:38] <dholbach> Seveas: generally yes, but there is other stuff to be taken into account too
[10:38] <\sh> it was just on the list...in my way so to say :)
[10:38] <Seveas> dholbach, 'other stuff' for example?
[10:38] <dholbach> Seveas: like some versions of libraries are installable parallely, then you'll get a different versioning scheme
[10:38] <slomo> \sh: anyway... you have time for it... and i fight with some broken code ;)
[10:38] <Seveas> ah
[10:38] <Seveas> well, there is only one version of this lib :)
[10:38] <slomo> \sh: so thanks... i owe you a beer now :P
[10:39] <\sh> slomo: TIME???? I ... I have to clean my flat tomorrow :)
[10:39] <\sh> slomo: ok...u fix ctsim..:)
[10:39] <dholbach> Seveas: lintian will complain, if it doesnt agree with the versioning ;)
[10:39] <Seveas> check :)
[10:39] <slomo> \sh: i have to clean too tomorrow :P and i fix ctsim, yes... but it could take some time ;) currently i'm working on banshee
[10:39] <Seveas> thanks for the answers, the result will pop up in REVU tomorrow ;)
[10:40] <dholbach> good night guys
[10:40] <slomo> gn8 daniel :)
[10:40] <Seveas> night
[10:40] <\sh> slomo: don't worry..actually it's from the list...and bugfixing we can do after UVF/FF
[10:41] <slomo> \sh: well, i like to do hard stuff :)
[10:42] <\sh> slomo: hmm.u should work for my company :)
[10:42] <\sh> for former company..but this I will know just before xmas
[10:43] <\sh> s/for/or/
[10:58] <Kyral> Hey LJ
[10:59] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[11:00] <LaserJock> Kyral: how was the turkey?
[11:00] <Kyral> good :D
[11:02] <LaserJock> same here, and my birthday was on the 18th so I got some birthday cake too
[11:03] <Kyral> lol how old are you now?
[11:03] <\sh> slomo: you fixed banshee :)
[11:04] <slomo> \sh: not really... partially
[11:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: 24 now, I am kinda feeling old a little bit. I am almost done with my Phd though and that will be nice
[11:04] <Kyral> lol
[11:04] <Kyral> 20
[11:04] <Kyral> don't say you are feeling old shoot
[11:05] <\sh> LaserJock: 24? only?
[11:06] <\sh> kids
[11:06] <\sh> :)
[11:06] <Kyral> lol
[11:06] <Kyral> how old are you sh?
[11:06] <\sh> Kyral: in january I will be 35
[11:06] <Kyral> and you call yourself old? :P
[11:07] <\sh> it depends :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> well, I fell older than I am
[11:07] <\sh> sometimes yes..sometimes no
[11:07] <LaserJock> s/fell/feel/
[11:07] <LaserJock> it depends who you are around ;-)
[11:08] <\sh> with 24 I was responsible for over 10 ciscos and 5 companies depending on our company...:)
[11:08] <\sh> and our network
[11:09] <spacey> and now more responsibility or less? ;)
[11:09] <spacey> almost ready to be put away in old folks home
[11:09] <spacey> ;p
[11:09] <\sh> hmm..now I'm responsible for theoretically 4 million customers
[11:09] <spacey> ok
[11:09] <spacey> that sounds quite ok
[11:10] <spacey> or sounds like little sleep
[11:10] <\sh> yes..but I'm old in times of IT
[11:10] <\sh> spacey: don't remind me ... I'm waiting every single second for a call from the company..
[11:10] <spacey> ;)
[11:11] <\sh> and it's bloody windy outside and I don't want to walk to our NOC
[11:11] <spacey> aha, at least you live close by ;)
[11:12] <\sh> 30 mins walking
[11:12] <\sh> 10 mins biking
[11:13] <\sh> but my bike has flat tires..so walking :)
[11:15] <herve> re
[11:15] <\sh> re herve...where are the uploads? :)
[11:15] <herve> I made one a few days ago :-)
[11:15] <\sh> do more :)
[11:16] <\sh> just joking..how is life?
[11:16] <herve> no, you're right
[11:16] <herve> but, answering your second question
[11:16] <herve> life is busy
[11:17] <herve> I've got a big rush for releasing a new website design and a new major version
[11:17] <herve> plus a project ending at job
[11:17] <herve> so it's bugs bugs bugs + politics
[11:17] <\sh> oh well..sounds like fun :) just as in my company nowadays
[11:18] <herve> you're still enjoying your job?
[11:19] <\sh> the cable tv company? sure...but it looks like because of the merger with another company, that we will have some surprises before xmas...means it can be, that I'm going to be fired
[11:20] <\sh> because some people have to move from engineering to operations
[11:20] <\sh> and headcounts are counted...so one or two of my team have to leave the company....depending on the social status and the time being employed for this company...i'm a good candidate...
[11:21] <herve> find a job at deutsch telekom ;-)
[11:21] <\sh> herve: oh much better...
[11:21] <\sh> herve: they're firing as well
[11:21] <herve> yes, bad humour
[11:21] <herve> speaking of uploading
[11:21] <herve> may I fix easytag?
[11:22] <herve> its requiring a lib versionned before the allocator transition
[11:22] <\sh> herve: do what ever u want :) merge/transition? if so , file bugs against malone and the product
[11:23] <herve> for now I'd like to kill updatedb...
[11:23] <slomo> herve: hehe, i know that feeling ;)
[11:24] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:24] <\sh> do i merge the rest of letter "e" on the MoM list, or should I stop right now...
[11:25] <herve> slomo, and given that it started to bug me every day suddenly
[11:51] <Kyral> I haven't checked my mail since Tuesday...I'm kinda scared to see how much will be there on Sunday
[11:51] <herve> how many spam? :-)
[11:51] <Kyral> no
[11:51] <Kyral> how many from the MLs
[11:54] <\sh> Kyral: I think I spamed today the universe-bugs list
[11:54] <Kyral> lol
[11:54] <Kyral> This is why I have them going to my GMail Account :P
[11:55] <Kyral> unless you somehow generated over 2 GB worth :D
[11:55] <\sh> and dapper changes as well
[11:55] <Kyral> yah
[11:55] <Kyral> this is why I am dreading :P
[11:56] <Kyral> I'd wager over 1000 emails
[11:56] <Kyral> and all the Dapper updates themselves
[11:56] <Kyral> has a new X entered Dapper yet?
[11:57] <Kyral> If I had access to those I wouldn't ask
[11:59] <Kyral> well, I actually hadn't thought of packages.ubuntu.com
[12:00] <tseng> gmane.org?
[12:00] <Kyral> wazzat?
[12:00] <tseng> ...
[12:00] <Kyral> seriously
[12:00] <tseng> archives mailing lists
[12:00] <Kyral> ah
[12:00] <tseng> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/
[12:00] <tseng> but even better ^
[12:00] <Kyral> Oh I was just wondering
[12:01] <Kyral> I'll find out on Sunday
[12:01] <Kyral> if I really wanted to find out I would dist-upgrade this laptop