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Valandilhi all :-)12:57
fabbioneshawarma: ping?02:35
shawarmapong02:44
fabbioneshawarma: i will be at e2e the 15th02:44
fabbioneof Dec of course02:44
shawarmaYeah, at two o'clock, right?02:44
fabbioneyeps02:45
fabbionetill 4 or something02:45
fabbionei have the plane back at hm...02:45
fabbione18:3502:45
fabbioneso i need to be at the airport ~17:3002:45
fabbioneremember to take your finger print and a document02:46
fabbionewe will do little key signing there02:46
shawarmaHardly. It's a very small airport. They usually require you to be there 30 minutes before take-off.02:46
shawarmaAnd it's quite close to the city.02:46
fabbioneyes it's 15minutes y taxi from e2e02:46
shawarmaRight.02:46
fabbionebut i rather be there a bit early than having to rush and worry02:47
shawarmaSure.02:47
fabbionei hate really hard to be in a hurry02:47
fabbioneit stresses me a lot02:47
shawarmaMe too.02:47
shawarmaWell, I'm looking forward.02:48
fabbioneso ma i02:48
fabbioneam i02:48
shawarmaIs it still just an informal chat about ubuntu stuff or have you figured out more specifically what it's about?02:48
fabbioneit's still informal chat02:48
shawarmaAll right.02:48
fabbionei will give a 10/15 minutes introduction or something02:49
fabbionebut after that i want it to be informal02:49
fabbionei hate slides as much as some guys there do02:49
shawarmaLOL02:50
fabbionei might take something with me.. we will see02:51
shawarmaUh.02:52
fabbionei have breezy CD's and some stickers ;)02:53
shawarmaUh, those stickers that I've seen on the pictures from ubz?02:58
fabbionethe one for laptops02:58
shawarmaexactly.02:58
shawarmaUh... Nice!02:58
fabbioneyeah i have about 10 i thnk02:59
fabbionei think02:59
fabbionenot many02:59
fabbionebut i have Cd's02:59
fabbioneplenty02:59
shawarmaYeah, me too.03:00
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spikehi there03:41
Valandilhi spike04:13
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PygiHi hi05:51
spikehi Pygi05:51
Pygiwhat's goin' on in this channel? not much discussion right now, huh? :P05:52
spikePygi: lucky man, I had to wait 30 minutes for an "hi" ;)05:53
spikeu've got urs in 13 sec05:53
spike:P05:53
Pygiah :)05:54
Pygithanks :)05:54
spikePygi: it depends I guess, yesterday I got a few questions answered and a nice discussion about what's going on05:54
PygiAh, I know :P05:54
Pygithere was some discussion goin' on about instant-server project almost every day, but it seems that...05:55
Pygihm..05:55
PygiI won't say nothin' :)05:55
spikewhat?05:55
spikewhat's instant-server?05:55
Pyginothin', nothin' :)05:55
Pygiwiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServer05:56
spikeah, didnt know of that05:57
spikesounds like CDD05:57
Pygiah, well...05:57
PygiI don't know what will come out of that....05:58
spikeumh, well, I don't see how that is related to ubuntu-server, at least with my understanding of it05:59
spikeubuntu-server should be ubuntu for sysadmins, instant-servers sounds like ubuntu-desktop+networ services for newbies06:00
Pygiah, I wouldn't like to talk about that project because I might say somethin' wrong, 'cause I left that project06:00
spikeI don't care about wizards and stuff, I care about packages, dependences like the X one removed (which is the case) and so son06:00
spikeselinux integration, blablbalba06:01
Pygiah, well :)06:01
spikethat's not little :)06:01
Pygican you gimme suggestion for multi-platform graphical toolkit? :)06:02
Pygiyup, I know it's not little :)06:02
spikewxPython?06:02
Pygiah, I wrote somethin' wrong :P06:02
Pygimulti-platform graphical toolkit name? :P06:02
Pygiergh, I am makin' a toolkit06:03
PygiI need a name ;)06:03
spikeaaaaah06:03
spikeahaha06:03
Pygi;)06:04
spikedo you want something serious or not? ie, mpGT06:04
spikethat would be easy to remember, expand, print,whatever06:04
Pygimp means what? :P06:04
Pygiah06:04
spikemulti-platform ;)06:04
Pygimulti-platform :)06:04
Pygigee, cloning my words :P06:05
PygiI was thinking of CoconutToolkit :P06:05
Pygibut that's no good :P06:05
spikesee my question above, do you want something serious or not?06:05
spikeCoconutToolkit says nothing about what sort of toolkit that is06:05
Pygiyes, I know06:05
PygiQT doesn't say nothing either06:06
spikesure06:06
PygiIt can be any kind of name06:06
Pygidoesn't really have to be "serious" name06:06
spikeguess "Medusa" is taken06:07
spikethe mean would been a difference face for Os06:07
spikebecause it's multi-platform06:07
spikeso there's a center library, the main face, and stuff to make it works on any other OS (the other faces)06:08
Pygiah06:09
Pygithanks for suggestions :)06:10
neuralisPygi: dude, i seriously don't understand you. you go from reinventing the wheel on one project to reinventing the wheel on the next.06:14
neuralisPygi: why on _earth_ do you want to make another graphics toolkit?06:15
PygiI ain't reinventing wheel on nothin'06:18
PygiI'll just use that for my own project06:18
Pyginothin' else06:18
Pygibtw. I tried suggesting using tasksel...06:18
Pygithat ubuntu-instant server won't go nowhere...06:19
Pygiand if you have _ so_ good ideas, tell me what to do not to reinvent the wheel :P06:20
neuraliswhether i have good ideas has nothing to do with whether you keep trying to reinvent the wheel :)06:21
neuralisis there a particular feature that you need, and that stops you from being able to use existing toolkits?06:22
PygiI would like the app to be able to run on MacOS, which GTK+ doesn't provide, and I don't want to use QT06:22
Pygithat's just one of reasons06:23
Pygibut nevermind06:23
Pygiyou see sometimes a better wheel can be invented :)06:23
Pygimore effective and things :)06:23
troyPygi: qt is really good though :/06:24
Pygiyes, but I don't like there licence thingy06:25
troywhy not? it's GPL on all three major platforms with QT4...06:25
Pygiyes, I know...06:25
troypeople used to complain that it wasn't GPL, and now that it is, people still complain *sigh*06:25
neuralistroy: he just really wants to roll his own, so the arguments are sort of pointless ;)06:26
Pygineuralis: not true :/06:26
troyplus, PyQT is really good for rapid prototyping too, since you like python06:27
neuralisPygi: actually, a nearly complete OS X port of gtk just became available a few days ago, there's always wxwidgets, and i believe mono provides transparent x-platform gui compatibility.06:27
Pygineuralis: I looked at OS X ports, but found none good :/ Url maybe?06:28
Pygiand the app will be written in C++, not python this time06:28
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troyah, then QT should really be an option06:28
neuralisPygi: wxwidgets?06:29
Pygineuralis: never used it06:30
Pygibut, oh, well...06:30
PygiI'll have to choose something so...06:30
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neuralisPygi: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X06:30
=== Pygi thinks that neuralis will shoot me if I try to reinvent (ergh, improve) the wheel :P
troywriting your own toolkit is a big deal, and you'd probably spend three years just getting it to a usable on a single platform06:31
neuralisPygi: i couldn't care less -- it's your free time, not mine.06:31
neuralisPygi: but graphical toolkits are a *bear* to write decently.06:31
Pygiyes, yes, I know06:32
neuralisPygi: why did you stop working on instant-server?06:33
Pygibecause...no one else then me (troy and some others gave suggestions tho) wanted to work nothin006:33
PygiI was mostly on my own06:33
neuralisa lot of projects are exactly like that until you generate some momentum. this is not necessarily a bad thing.06:35
troywe didn't have a line of code down amongst the group yet either06:36
troycode is important06:36
neuralisPygi: besides, instant-server is a very simple project; i'd say it doesn't take more than one determined hacker to do it.06:37
Pygineuralis: I never said it's not a simple project...06:38
PygiI just said that none want to work on it06:38
Pygieveryone would like to have everythin' on plate06:38
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troyoh oh oh! thanksgiving in my southern neighbour means afternoon games today!06:40
Pygi:)06:41
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spikehi11:19
Valandilhi spike11:22
Valandil:-)11:22
spikeeeeeeeh!11:23
spike:)11:23
Valandil?11:23
Valandil:-D11:23
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spikeam I still here?11:24
Valandilwhy?11:24
spikeok11:24
spikea girl just passed and stepped into the AP11:25
Valandilwifi?11:25
spikewireless11:25
Valandilah :-)11:25
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spikecabling isnt that good atm, it's been an on-the-fly setup :)11:26
spikeValandil: get to live in a 3 floors house and u;ll like it :011:26
ValandilI see :-)11:26
ValandilBut we have enough electromagnetism in here ;-)11:26
spikeValandil: if I had to cable cable this place I'd got crazy11:26
Valandilspike: could be, but I try to keep emv low as possible in here11:27
Valandilbecause of my little daughter11:27
spikeI don't mind, I'll die of cancer anyway :P11:31
Valandilhmmm11:41
spikeVonnegut rocks11:43
ValandilVonnegut?11:43
spikeKurt Vonnegut11:43
Valandiloops11:43
spikegets cat's cradle11:43
Valandilsorry, it's late11:43
spikelate?11:44
spikewhere are u from?11:44
Valandiljapp, here it's late11:44
Valandilgermany11:44
Valandilhere it's quater to 1211:45
Valandiland weekdays my clock rings at 6 am11:45
Valandilso 12 is quite late11:45
spikeI c11:46
Valandiland You?11:46
Valandilwhere are You from?11:46
spikejust moved to uk :)11:46
Valandilah :-) from where?11:46
spike.it11:46
Valandiloh :)11:46
ValandilI never been there11:47
spikegoing to CCC in dec?11:47
ValandilI don't think so... no money, no time, no energy anymore11:48
Valandillife is a little ...11:48
Valandil... stange theese dasy11:48
Valandils/stange/strange11:49
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ValandilOK, going to bed... good n811:52
spikenight11:53
spikeops11:53

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