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Valandil | hi all :-) | 12:57 |
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fabbione | shawarma: ping? | 02:35 |
shawarma | pong | 02:44 |
fabbione | shawarma: i will be at e2e the 15th | 02:44 |
fabbione | of Dec of course | 02:44 |
shawarma | Yeah, at two o'clock, right? | 02:44 |
fabbione | yeps | 02:45 |
fabbione | till 4 or something | 02:45 |
fabbione | i have the plane back at hm... | 02:45 |
fabbione | 18:35 | 02:45 |
fabbione | so i need to be at the airport ~17:30 | 02:45 |
fabbione | remember to take your finger print and a document | 02:46 |
fabbione | we will do little key signing there | 02:46 |
shawarma | Hardly. It's a very small airport. They usually require you to be there 30 minutes before take-off. | 02:46 |
shawarma | And it's quite close to the city. | 02:46 |
fabbione | yes it's 15minutes y taxi from e2e | 02:46 |
shawarma | Right. | 02:46 |
fabbione | but i rather be there a bit early than having to rush and worry | 02:47 |
shawarma | Sure. | 02:47 |
fabbione | i hate really hard to be in a hurry | 02:47 |
fabbione | it stresses me a lot | 02:47 |
shawarma | Me too. | 02:47 |
shawarma | Well, I'm looking forward. | 02:48 |
fabbione | so ma i | 02:48 |
fabbione | am i | 02:48 |
shawarma | Is it still just an informal chat about ubuntu stuff or have you figured out more specifically what it's about? | 02:48 |
fabbione | it's still informal chat | 02:48 |
shawarma | All right. | 02:48 |
fabbione | i will give a 10/15 minutes introduction or something | 02:49 |
fabbione | but after that i want it to be informal | 02:49 |
fabbione | i hate slides as much as some guys there do | 02:49 |
shawarma | LOL | 02:50 |
fabbione | i might take something with me.. we will see | 02:51 |
shawarma | Uh. | 02:52 |
fabbione | i have breezy CD's and some stickers ;) | 02:53 |
shawarma | Uh, those stickers that I've seen on the pictures from ubz? | 02:58 |
fabbione | the one for laptops | 02:58 |
shawarma | exactly. | 02:58 |
shawarma | Uh... Nice! | 02:58 |
fabbione | yeah i have about 10 i thnk | 02:59 |
fabbione | i think | 02:59 |
fabbione | not many | 02:59 |
fabbione | but i have Cd's | 02:59 |
fabbione | plenty | 02:59 |
shawarma | Yeah, me too. | 03:00 |
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spike | hi there | 03:41 |
Valandil | hi spike | 04:13 |
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Pygi | Hi hi | 05:51 |
spike | hi Pygi | 05:51 |
Pygi | what's goin' on in this channel? not much discussion right now, huh? :P | 05:52 |
spike | Pygi: lucky man, I had to wait 30 minutes for an "hi" ;) | 05:53 |
spike | u've got urs in 13 sec | 05:53 |
spike | :P | 05:53 |
Pygi | ah :) | 05:54 |
Pygi | thanks :) | 05:54 |
spike | Pygi: it depends I guess, yesterday I got a few questions answered and a nice discussion about what's going on | 05:54 |
Pygi | Ah, I know :P | 05:54 |
Pygi | there was some discussion goin' on about instant-server project almost every day, but it seems that... | 05:55 |
Pygi | hm.. | 05:55 |
Pygi | I won't say nothin' :) | 05:55 |
spike | what? | 05:55 |
spike | what's instant-server? | 05:55 |
Pygi | nothin', nothin' :) | 05:55 |
Pygi | wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServer | 05:56 |
spike | ah, didnt know of that | 05:57 |
spike | sounds like CDD | 05:57 |
Pygi | ah, well... | 05:57 |
Pygi | I don't know what will come out of that.... | 05:58 |
spike | umh, well, I don't see how that is related to ubuntu-server, at least with my understanding of it | 05:59 |
spike | ubuntu-server should be ubuntu for sysadmins, instant-servers sounds like ubuntu-desktop+networ services for newbies | 06:00 |
Pygi | ah, I wouldn't like to talk about that project because I might say somethin' wrong, 'cause I left that project | 06:00 |
spike | I don't care about wizards and stuff, I care about packages, dependences like the X one removed (which is the case) and so son | 06:00 |
spike | selinux integration, blablbalba | 06:01 |
Pygi | ah, well :) | 06:01 |
spike | that's not little :) | 06:01 |
Pygi | can you gimme suggestion for multi-platform graphical toolkit? :) | 06:02 |
Pygi | yup, I know it's not little :) | 06:02 |
spike | wxPython? | 06:02 |
Pygi | ah, I wrote somethin' wrong :P | 06:02 |
Pygi | multi-platform graphical toolkit name? :P | 06:02 |
Pygi | ergh, I am makin' a toolkit | 06:03 |
Pygi | I need a name ;) | 06:03 |
spike | aaaaah | 06:03 |
spike | ahaha | 06:03 |
Pygi | ;) | 06:04 |
spike | do you want something serious or not? ie, mpGT | 06:04 |
spike | that would be easy to remember, expand, print,whatever | 06:04 |
Pygi | mp means what? :P | 06:04 |
Pygi | ah | 06:04 |
spike | multi-platform ;) | 06:04 |
Pygi | multi-platform :) | 06:04 |
Pygi | gee, cloning my words :P | 06:05 |
Pygi | I was thinking of CoconutToolkit :P | 06:05 |
Pygi | but that's no good :P | 06:05 |
spike | see my question above, do you want something serious or not? | 06:05 |
spike | CoconutToolkit says nothing about what sort of toolkit that is | 06:05 |
Pygi | yes, I know | 06:05 |
Pygi | QT doesn't say nothing either | 06:06 |
spike | sure | 06:06 |
Pygi | It can be any kind of name | 06:06 |
Pygi | doesn't really have to be "serious" name | 06:06 |
spike | guess "Medusa" is taken | 06:07 |
spike | the mean would been a difference face for Os | 06:07 |
spike | because it's multi-platform | 06:07 |
spike | so there's a center library, the main face, and stuff to make it works on any other OS (the other faces) | 06:08 |
Pygi | ah | 06:09 |
Pygi | thanks for suggestions :) | 06:10 |
neuralis | Pygi: dude, i seriously don't understand you. you go from reinventing the wheel on one project to reinventing the wheel on the next. | 06:14 |
neuralis | Pygi: why on _earth_ do you want to make another graphics toolkit? | 06:15 |
Pygi | I ain't reinventing wheel on nothin' | 06:18 |
Pygi | I'll just use that for my own project | 06:18 |
Pygi | nothin' else | 06:18 |
Pygi | btw. I tried suggesting using tasksel... | 06:18 |
Pygi | that ubuntu-instant server won't go nowhere... | 06:19 |
Pygi | and if you have _ so_ good ideas, tell me what to do not to reinvent the wheel :P | 06:20 |
neuralis | whether i have good ideas has nothing to do with whether you keep trying to reinvent the wheel :) | 06:21 |
neuralis | is there a particular feature that you need, and that stops you from being able to use existing toolkits? | 06:22 |
Pygi | I would like the app to be able to run on MacOS, which GTK+ doesn't provide, and I don't want to use QT | 06:22 |
Pygi | that's just one of reasons | 06:23 |
Pygi | but nevermind | 06:23 |
Pygi | you see sometimes a better wheel can be invented :) | 06:23 |
Pygi | more effective and things :) | 06:23 |
troy | Pygi: qt is really good though :/ | 06:24 |
Pygi | yes, but I don't like there licence thingy | 06:25 |
troy | why not? it's GPL on all three major platforms with QT4... | 06:25 |
Pygi | yes, I know... | 06:25 |
troy | people used to complain that it wasn't GPL, and now that it is, people still complain *sigh* | 06:25 |
neuralis | troy: he just really wants to roll his own, so the arguments are sort of pointless ;) | 06:26 |
Pygi | neuralis: not true :/ | 06:26 |
troy | plus, PyQT is really good for rapid prototyping too, since you like python | 06:27 |
neuralis | Pygi: actually, a nearly complete OS X port of gtk just became available a few days ago, there's always wxwidgets, and i believe mono provides transparent x-platform gui compatibility. | 06:27 |
Pygi | neuralis: I looked at OS X ports, but found none good :/ Url maybe? | 06:28 |
Pygi | and the app will be written in C++, not python this time | 06:28 |
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troy | ah, then QT should really be an option | 06:28 |
neuralis | Pygi: wxwidgets? | 06:29 |
Pygi | neuralis: never used it | 06:30 |
Pygi | but, oh, well... | 06:30 |
Pygi | I'll have to choose something so... | 06:30 |
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neuralis | Pygi: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X | 06:30 |
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troy | writing your own toolkit is a big deal, and you'd probably spend three years just getting it to a usable on a single platform | 06:31 |
neuralis | Pygi: i couldn't care less -- it's your free time, not mine. | 06:31 |
neuralis | Pygi: but graphical toolkits are a *bear* to write decently. | 06:31 |
Pygi | yes, yes, I know | 06:32 |
neuralis | Pygi: why did you stop working on instant-server? | 06:33 |
Pygi | because...no one else then me (troy and some others gave suggestions tho) wanted to work nothin0 | 06:33 |
Pygi | I was mostly on my own | 06:33 |
neuralis | a lot of projects are exactly like that until you generate some momentum. this is not necessarily a bad thing. | 06:35 |
troy | we didn't have a line of code down amongst the group yet either | 06:36 |
troy | code is important | 06:36 |
neuralis | Pygi: besides, instant-server is a very simple project; i'd say it doesn't take more than one determined hacker to do it. | 06:37 |
Pygi | neuralis: I never said it's not a simple project... | 06:38 |
Pygi | I just said that none want to work on it | 06:38 |
Pygi | everyone would like to have everythin' on plate | 06:38 |
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troy | oh oh oh! thanksgiving in my southern neighbour means afternoon games today! | 06:40 |
Pygi | :) | 06:41 |
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spike | hi | 11:19 |
Valandil | hi spike | 11:22 |
Valandil | :-) | 11:22 |
spike | eeeeeeh! | 11:23 |
spike | :) | 11:23 |
Valandil | ? | 11:23 |
Valandil | :-D | 11:23 |
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spike | am I still here? | 11:24 |
Valandil | why? | 11:24 |
spike | ok | 11:24 |
spike | a girl just passed and stepped into the AP | 11:25 |
Valandil | wifi? | 11:25 |
spike | wireless | 11:25 |
Valandil | ah :-) | 11:25 |
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spike | cabling isnt that good atm, it's been an on-the-fly setup :) | 11:26 |
spike | Valandil: get to live in a 3 floors house and u;ll like it :0 | 11:26 |
Valandil | I see :-) | 11:26 |
Valandil | But we have enough electromagnetism in here ;-) | 11:26 |
spike | Valandil: if I had to cable cable this place I'd got crazy | 11:26 |
Valandil | spike: could be, but I try to keep emv low as possible in here | 11:27 |
Valandil | because of my little daughter | 11:27 |
spike | I don't mind, I'll die of cancer anyway :P | 11:31 |
Valandil | hmmm | 11:41 |
spike | Vonnegut rocks | 11:43 |
Valandil | Vonnegut? | 11:43 |
spike | Kurt Vonnegut | 11:43 |
Valandil | oops | 11:43 |
spike | gets cat's cradle | 11:43 |
Valandil | sorry, it's late | 11:43 |
spike | late? | 11:44 |
spike | where are u from? | 11:44 |
Valandil | japp, here it's late | 11:44 |
Valandil | germany | 11:44 |
Valandil | here it's quater to 12 | 11:45 |
Valandil | and weekdays my clock rings at 6 am | 11:45 |
Valandil | so 12 is quite late | 11:45 |
spike | I c | 11:46 |
Valandil | and You? | 11:46 |
Valandil | where are You from? | 11:46 |
spike | just moved to uk :) | 11:46 |
Valandil | ah :-) from where? | 11:46 |
spike | .it | 11:46 |
Valandil | oh :) | 11:46 |
Valandil | I never been there | 11:47 |
spike | going to CCC in dec? | 11:47 |
Valandil | I don't think so... no money, no time, no energy anymore | 11:48 |
Valandil | life is a little ... | 11:48 |
Valandil | ... stange theese dasy | 11:48 |
Valandil | s/stange/strange | 11:49 |
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Valandil | OK, going to bed... good n8 | 11:52 |
spike | night | 11:53 |
spike | ops | 11:53 |
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